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[1. Call to Order]

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THIS IS THE FERNANDINA CITY BEACH COMMISSION WORKSHOP.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE OLL.

AYOR MILLER.

OMMISSIONER ROSS.

AND PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

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TONIGHT WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS ABOUT OUR JUNE WALKOVERS FROM THE PROPOSED OMPANIES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN ELPING US OUT WITH THIS.

HERE ARE THREE AND WE'VE CHOSEN HEM TO SPEAK IN RANDOM ORDER ND P I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN MADE WARE OF THAT ORDER.

T THIS TIME, THE FIRST ONE WE AVE IS -- HANK YOU VERY MUCH.

'M JOHN HANSON.

'M THE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT ANAGER FOR WAGNERS.

RESIDE AT 614 TANGER PLACE IN LORIDA.

JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT O YOU GUYS.

E'VE GOT SOME EXCITING ATERIALS, WE BELIEVE, THAT ARE HANGING THE ENVIRONMENTAL MPACTS ON PLACES LIKE THE EACH.

BOUT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AGO, WAS APPROACHED AND ASKED ABOUT UTTING TOGETHER SOME NFORMATION ABOUT A COUPLE OF XAMPLE PROJECTS WITH THE CITY.

HOSE TWO PROJECTS ARE KIND OF HE FOCUS OF WHAT WE'LL TALK BOUT TODAY AND ALSO TALK ABOUT OME OF THE EARLY THES THAT WE AVE.

HIS WAS THE ORIGINAL BROTHER OSED PLAN GIVEN TO ME TO LOOK T.

LSO BOARDWALK NUMBER NINE.

O WE JUST TOOK THIS NFORMATION.

E STENT IT OVER TO OUR NGINEERS TO LOOK AT AND GIVE OME THOUGHT TO AND PUT SOME NFORMATION TOGETHER.

HIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE CAME UP ITH.

T'S BASICALLY A PILE SYSTEM.

E'RE EXPANDING FROM ABOUT TEN O 12 FEET BETWEEN PILES.

HAT ARE CONSIDERED STRINGERS.

BOUT FOUR OF THEM IN BETWEEN.

HE STRINGERS ARE HERE, HERE, ND HERE.

E DO COMPOSITE FIBER GLASS.

E HAVE SOME SAMPLE MATERIALS.

HAT IS WHAT WE'LL USE FOR THE ILES.

E'LL DRIVE IT DIRECTLY INTO THE ROUND AND ATTACH OUR CROSS ALES AND ALL THAT TO THAT.

ERY LIGHT WEIGHT.

ERY EASY TO MANAGE.

UST A QUICK RENDERING OF WHAT HEY LOOK LIKE.

HEY CAN GO IN DIFFERENT LEVATIONS.

HAT'S NOT THE POINT OF THIS.

HIS DRAWING.

UST A QUICK OVERLAY AS TO WHAT T COULD LOOK LIKE.

HAT WE DO -- WHAT WE'RE ROPOSING IS USING A THREE-RAIL YSTEM FOR RAILINGS.

SING STAINLESS STEEL AND IT OULD BE ALUMINUM, GALVANIZED TEEL FOR RAILS.

NE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN O IS DO A DECK ON TOP OF THAT.

O IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE ATURAL.

R THE MORE DURABLE LONG LASTING ECKING WHICH ARE SOME OF THESE ERE.

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'LL PASS THESE AROUND ALSO AND OU CAN LOOK AT THOSE.

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O WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 75 YEARS OF ATERIALS.

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HAT'S PASSING AROUND IS CTUALLY A MAY NOTED MATERIAL HICH HAS A DESIGN

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LIKE INDISCERNIBLE AUDIO].

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E HAVE AN A WARRANTY OF MANY HINGS.

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E HAVE 25-YEAR WARRANTY ON AINT THAT WE USE.

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OT TO FADE OR DISCOLOR.

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N EXPECTED LIFE OF ABOUT 40 EARS.

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ND WE USE ALL OF OUR CONNECTERS RE STAINLESS STEEL.

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HIS SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE ETWEEN -- YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW HIS FOR SURE.

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HE PRICE DIFFERENCE.

UR MATERIALS WILL COME IN ABOUT 00,000 FOR A WOOD DECK OR WOOD OARDWALK.

UT IF YOU LOOK OVER A 60-YEAR ERIOD HOW MUCH YOU SPEND INDISCERNIBLE AUDIO].

2.5 MILLION ON THAT WOOD DECK.

ESIGN LIFE.

OUR PAY BACK FOR THAT DDITIONAL YOU'RE GOING TO GET HAT BACK IN A TEN-YEAR PERIOD.

IGHT WEIGHT MATERIALS MEAN E'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE MALLER EQUIPMENT AND NEWER ATERIALS MEAN ZERO NVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS.

E USE FDOT APPROVED PRODUCTS.

HESE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

IND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF TRENGTH.

HAT'S ONE OF THOSE FIVE BY IVES THERE THAT'S HOLDING OVER HREE AND A HALF TONS OF ONCRETE.

ERY LIGHT WEIGHT.

ESS THAN A POUND.

OWEVER, OUR STRENGTHS ARE CTUALLY STRONGER THAN STEEL SO T'S ACTUALLY LIGHT WEIGHT.

TRONGER THAN STEEL.

ROJECT EXPERIENCE.

E'VE DONE OVER 500 AROUND THE ORLD.

E'RE ACTUALLILY FINISHING UP -- CTUALLY FINISHING UP A MILE AND HALF THROUGHWAY IN ABU DHABI HROUGH A SALT MARSH.

E ALSO HAVE A BRIDGE IN KANSAS HAT WE'RE GOING TO BE NSTALLING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF ONTHS.

EAL QUICK, YOU KNOW, PILE RIVING SIMPLE.

HE EQUIPMENT IS -- THE PROCESS S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN ONSTRUCTION.

UST BOLTED TOGETHER INSTEAD OF AILED.

OU HAVE YOUR STOPS.

OU LAY YOUR STRINGERS.

UT ON DECKING.

HEN YOU HAVE A FINISHED RODUCT.

ALKWAYS.

TAIRS.

HIS IS A GOOD ONE TO KIND OF HOW YOU GUYS.

TORM SURGE.

ERE'S OUR MATERIALS BEING EFORE THE HURRICANE AND FTERWARDS.

T'S JUST A MATTER OF SHOVELING ND BLOWING IT OFF.

E ALSO DO BRIDGES AND ATERIALS.

N A SIDE NOTE WE'RE ALSO UILDING OT THAT, THAT HAS ANYTHING WITH HIS.

ERY STRONG.

HIS IS ACTUALLY IN OCALA.

RECHARGE PARK.

E'VE WRAPPED UP THE WORK HERE.

HEY'RE JUST WAITING UNTIL NEXT EAR -- IT'S A THREE POND YSTEM.

E'VE DONE ABOUT 1,700 LINEAR EET OF BOARDWALK AND JETTIES NTO THESE PONDS AND IT'S GOING O BE PHENOMENAL TRYING TO GET VERYTHING FILLED AND GET THE LANS IN THERE.

T'S BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE ECLAIMED WATER GOING INTO THESE ONDS.

UST BASICALLY PERK LATE BACK NTO THE AQUIFER.

HE LAWYER ITSELF IS JUST A ITTLE BIT UNFINISHED.

O THEY WANTED A MATERIAL THAT AS GOING TO BE LOW MAY NOT NNOCENCE AND NOT BE AFFECTED ITH THE WATER.

'LL FINISH WITH A QUICK VIDEO F THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

E DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

O WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL ND THEN ASK THE QUESTIONS? WOULD RATHER -- WHILE HE'S IGHT HERE.

HREE QUICK ONES.

OU MENTIONED YOU HAD DONE DUNE ALKOVERS.

OW MANY? T LEAST 75.

REAT.

ND WHEREABOUTS IN THE U.S.? OST OF THE WORK HAS BEEN ONE IN AUSTRALIA.

WILL ADMIT THAT.

E'RE A U.S.-BASED COMPANY.

E'RE PULLING OUR MATERIAL IN EXAS WITHIN THE NEXT THREE ONTHS.

HAVE ANOTHER VIDEO LATER ON I AN SHOW YOU GUYS OF A RAWBRIDGE WE ACTUALLY DID 15 EARS AGO THAT'S STILL IN ERFECT SHAPE.

KAY.

WHY HAS THIS NOT AUGHT ON IN THE UNITED STATES? IMPLY PRICE.

OU GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

OOD IS CHEAP.

OOD IS CHEAP.

T'S A MATTER OF GETTING THE NFORMATION OUT THERE.

KAY.

THANK YOU.

HIS IS GOING TO APPLY TO ALL HREE.

KNOW YOU TALKED TO DEP.

ELL ME WHAT THE DEP SAYS ABOUT OUR PRODUCT AND PROCESS FOR A EACH WALKOVER.

TALKED TO THEM ABOUT OTHER OARDWALKS WITHIN STATE PARKS AS AR AS BEACH WALKOVERS.

HAVEN'T HAD THAT CONVERSATION ITH THEM BUT I HAVE PRESENTED WO DEP IN TALLAHASSEE.

HE PROJECT MANAGERS AND ANAGEMENT THERE.

HEY LOVE THE MATERIAL.

HEY KIND OF TAKE A STAND THAT HEY ROLL THAT ONTO THE NGINEERS THAT ARE SIGNING OFF N THE DOCUMENTATION.

T'S THEIR CHOICE WHAT MATERIAL S PUT INTO THEIR DESIGN AS.

ERD -- DESIGNS.

N OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE AYING THAT THE LOCAL ENGINEER S -- IF HE WAS TO INSPECT IT ND IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE EP REGULATIONS THEY WOULD CCEPT IT.

ES.

'LL ASK THAT TO ALL THREE.

THER TWO BE READY.

NE LAST QUESTION.

HAT MAKES YOUR COMPANY IFFERENT THAN THE TWO OTHER ENDORS WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ROM? E ARE A SOLUTIONS BASED.

E SEE THIS MATERIAL AS NOT JUST SABLE FOR DUNE WALKOVERS OR ETTERED WALKS.

HIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A TRUCTURAL SECTION OF STEEL HICH WILL EVENTUALLY IN MY PINION BE SOMETHING OF REFINED UILDING MATERIALS IN THE NEAR UTURE.

THINK THAT WE APPROACH -- WE OOK AT YOUR PROBLEMS AND TRY TO OME UP WITH SOLUTIONS.

E PARTNER WITH WHOEVER WE'RE ORKING WITH AND IF THERE'S A PECIFIC ISSUE WITH SOMETHING, E'LL WORK WITH YOU GUYS TO COME P WITH SOLUTIONS.

AIR ENOUGH.

HANK YOU.

UST A QUICK QUESTION.

OW HOT DOES THAT DECKING ATERIAL GET SITTING IN THE SUN? HIS PARTICULAR STUFF DOES OT GET HOT.

KAY.

HIS DOESN'T.

THER STUFF WILL.

HE SOLID SURFACE STUFF MIGHT ET A LITTLE WARM BUT NOT THAT ADLY.

OU CAN -- WE CAN GET LIGHTER ATERIALS, A LITTLE MORE LIGHTER EIGHT TO KIND OF HELP MINIMIZE HAT.

F COURSE, THE DARKER THE OLORS, THE MORE HEAT BUT WHEN OU TALK ABOUT THE OPEN GRATE ATERIAL, IT'S NOT THAT BAD AT LL.

HANK YOU.

HANK YOU, SIR.

KAY.

WHO IS NEXT? INKS BRIDGE.

ELCOME.

HAVE SOME HARD COPIES HERE FOR OU SO YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG.

S THAT MINE AT THE TOP? ES, SIR.

KAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR NVITING ME HERE TODAY.

OST OF MY DISCUSSION IS GOING O FOCUS ON A MODEL THAT WE'RE ROPOSING TO YOU.

ND WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU BOUT IS THE DESIGN AND ATERIALS THAT WE'RE USING, ENEFITS WITH WHAT WE'RE FFERING.

'LL TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HO WE ARE.

NEED YOUR NAME FOR THE ECORD, PLEASE.

ORRY.

ON FERRAR.

INKS BRIDGES.

O AND I WANTED TO DESCRIBE O YOU A PROPOSITION THAT WE AVE FOR YOU.

ORRY.

WAS KIND OF EXPECTING THAT I OULD SEE THIS ON THE SCREEN IN RONT OF ME BUT I'M NOT.

O THE HIGHLIGHTS OF -- INCLUDES AMP ACCESS.

T'S FIVE-FOOD WIDE DECK.

2-INCH HIGH RAILS.

E HAVE LONGER SPANS AND THE ESIGN THAT WE HAVE TO MINIMIZE UNE INTERFERENCE AND OUR DUNE LEARANCE PER THE SPECIFICATIONS HAT WE'VE PROVIDED.

HIS IS A RENDERING OF WHAT WE HINK THE BOTTLE WILL LOOK LIKE.

INCE WE SENT YOU MATERIALS EFORE WHICH YOU REVIEWED, WE'VE CTUALLY GONE TO SOME

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LIGHTER OLORS FOR REASONS OF AESTHETICS ND ALSO JUST THE NOTION OF THE EAT TRANSFER AND HEAT RETENTION F THE MATERIALS FOR PEOPLE SING IT WITH BARE FEET.

O I'M NOT GOING TO DWELL TOO UCH ON THESE THINGS BECAUSE YOU O HAVE A HARD COPY.

HIS IS WHAT -- THIS IS A PRETTY CCURATE VIEW OF WHAT YOU WOULD XPECT TO SEE.

HIS HAPPENS TO BE AT THE 4 M ROSSING SO THAT IS THE ROAD IDE AND THIS IS THE BEACH SIDE IEW FOR THE MODEL DESIGN THAT E ARE PROPOSING.

UR SYSTEM IS COMPILED OF PILES, RESSELS, DECKS, BEAMS, THE UARDRAILS.

HIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART OF HAT WE'RE OFFERING HERE.

ILES WE'RE OFFERING 100% FIBER LASS.

RESTLES, DECKS, BEAMS WENT IBER GLASS AND SIDE RAILS ARE IGH DENSITY STRUCTURAL PLASTIC.

ASILY MAINTAINED AND REALLY MPORTANTLY WEATHER RESISTANT.

DPE IS SIMILARLY, IT'S LONG ASTING.

ARRANTIED FOR 50 PLUS YEARS.

T HAS HIGH STRENGTH TO WEIGHT ATIOS.

T RETAINS ITS APPEARANCE.

'VE BEEN USING THAT MATERIAL OR OVER 20 YEARS IN SOME OF THE ARSHEST ENVIRONMENTS AND IT ASTS FOREVER.

T IS USED EX-TENSE CIVILIANLY OR SEA SIDE WORK WISE.

UPPLIERS WILL TELL YOU THAT HEY SELL MORE OF THEIR PRODUCT OR THAT THAN ANY OTHER SINGLE SE.

O I WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT MAKES UR WALK OVERDESIGN SUPERIOR -- ALKOVER DESIGN SUPERIOR.

NVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT.

NSTEAD OF SUPPORT EVERY TEN EET IT'S EVERY 30 FEET.

THINK THAT'S THE BENEFITS TO HAT ARE OBVIOUS.

S JOHN SAID TO YOU FIBER GLASS S AN INERT MATERIAL SO THERE RE NO TOXIC EFFECTS TO IT.

HE LONG JOVETY MEANS -- THE ONGEVITY YOU HAVE IT MEANS YOU ON'T -- CURRENT WOOD WALKOVERS O LAST.

HE FIBER GLASS OPTION IS BY FAR HE LEAST COST OF MAINTENANCE.

HERE'S NO COATINGS, NO PAINTING F ANY COMPONENTS.

HE DECKS WON'T ROT.

ND REALLY IMPORTANTLY AND I HINK THIS REALLY DISTINGUISHES UR PROPOSAL.

HERE'S MINIMAL EXPOSED TAINLESS STEEL BOLTS.

UR DECKS AND BEAMS ARE A ONOLITHIC FIBER GLASS UNIT HICH HAS NO BOLTS OR NAILS.

T'S IS COMPLETELY FIBER GLASS.

HERE ARE SOME BOLTS IN THE RESTLE TO DECK CONNECTIONS BUT UT REALLY MOST OF THE BOLTS HAT WE USE ARE JUST NOR THE UARDRAIL AND EVEN MOST OF THOSE RE COMPLETELY HIDDEN.

O THEY ARE EXPOSED.

HAT -- AREN'T EXPOSED.

HAT THAT MEANS IS I DON'T THINK HERE'S ANY SOLUTION HERE THAT SES BOLTS WHERE SOMEBODY ISN'T OING TO HAVE TO GO AND LOOK AT HOSE BOLTS EVERY TWO YEARS AND O SOMETHING OR DEAL WITH THEM.

N OUR SOLUTION WE'VE MINIMIZED HAT AND THERE ARE NO BOLTS OING ANYTHING STRUCTURAL OTHER HAN THE LATERAL LOADS ON UARDRAILS.

ASE OF INSTALLATION.

E MAKE BRIDGES UP TO 55 FEET ONG, SHIP THEM IN ONE PIECE.

E INSTALL THOSE IN A COUPLE OF OURS.

OUNDATIONS ARE PREPARED IN DVANCE.

O THE MODEL WE'RE PROPOSING, OR EXAMPLE, FOR 4 N, THAT WHOLE HING IS GOING TO BE SHIPPED IN OUR PIECES.

'M NOT AN EXPERLITE AT BEACH ILE INSTALLATION BUT I'VE EARNED IT QUICKLY.

HERE'S NO REASON IT WOULD TAKE ORE THAN A DAY TO INSTALL A ALKOVER LIKE THIS.

OLOR SELECTION.

HAVE SIX DIFFERENT COLORS ERE.

E CAN MATCH YOUR SAND.

THINK THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, YOU AN PICK ANY COLOR YOU WANT.

E RECOMMEND LIGHT COLORS JUST ECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF HEAT.

EOPLE THINK OUR BRIDGES ARE EAL WOOD.

HE DECKS ARE REAL WOOD.

ND THE BIGGER THIS PIECE IS AND 'VE LEFT A PIECE WITH THE CITY ERE BEFORE THAT WAS BIGGER BUT F YOU LOOK AT IT, I THINK OU'LL SEE THE BASIS OF THAT LAIM.

ESTHETICALLY WITH LESS VERTICAL UPPORTS.

ND IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK OOD.

OT JUST WHEN IT'S NEW.

HERE'S NO DOWN TIME WITH OURS ND THEY ARE DESIGNED AND NGINEERED TO CODE.

UBLIC SAFETY.

AMPS PROVIDE SAFER ACCESS.

OU CAN ACCOMMODATE BABY TROLLERS AND WAGONS AND ALL THE HINGS I SEE OUT THERE USING THE UNES.

E CAN BE ADA COMPLIANT.

HAT JUST MEANS A LONGER RAMP ITH LESS SLOPE BUT I'M SURE OU'LL WANT TO HAVE SOME OF HOSE.

UICKLY, MY COMPANY IS LINKS RIDGES.

E'RE A VERY SPECIALIZED OMPANY.

E DEAL WITH FIBER GLASS BRIDGES ND RAMPS.

E HAVE INSTALLATIONS IN IN OVER 5 STATES.

E HAVE A VERIFIABLE RECORD AND UTSTANDING REPUTATION.

WOULD WELCOME YOU TALKING TO NY OF OUR CUSTOMERS.

E'RE THE ONLY SUPPLIER OF 100% IBER GLASS BRIDGES IN THE WORLD SING OPEN MOLDING TECHNOLOGY.

E'LL HAVE THAT MODEL UP BY TEND F NOVEMBER IF YOU GIVE US FAST PPROVAL AND WE CAN GET A ERMIT.

ND A TIMETABLE FOR ANYTHING UBSEQUENT IS NEGOTIABLE.

HANK YOU, SIR.

KAY.

AVE YOU GOTTEN ANY FDEP ERMITS? UST STARTED.

UST STARTED TALKING TO THEM BOUT -- O.

AM JUST LEARNING ABOUT THE ERMIT PROCESS.

HAT WE'RE FIGURING OUT IS I ON'T HAVE GOOD ANSWERS FOR THAT IGHT NOW.

THINK FDEP IS SPECIFIC PERMITS ILL BE REQUIRED.

O THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS E WANT TO LOOK AT.

WILL COMMENT BRIEFLY THAT AGNER IS TALKING ABOUT SIX INCH ND NINE AND YOU'RE TALKING BOUT FOUR INCH AND TO MY NOWLEDGE, THE CITY ACTUALLY EVER WENT OUT.

NDIVIDUALS MAY HAVE GONE OUT.

O WHICH IS AN EXAMPLE.

OU KNOW, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY ON'T KNOW FOUR FROM SIX AND E'RE PREPARED -- 'M JUST MAKING THE POINT HAT IT'S ALL ACROSS THE BOARD IGHT NOW.

URE.

UT THE FDEP AND THERE'S ONLY HREE PAGES IN THE REQUIREMENTS ND THEY TALK ABOUT THE PERMITS.

ND I'LL WAIT UNTIL EVERYBODY IS ONE AND MAKE COMMENTS.

KAY.

NYTHING ELSE? ES.

'M SORRY.

OUR LIGHT ISN'T ON.

S IT WORKING IS WHAT I'M SAY GLG MY LIGHT IS NOT ON? OW IT IS.

HERE IT IS.

HANK YOU FOR COMING.

I'LL ASK HE SAME QUESTION.

OW MANY DUNE WALKOVERS HAVE YOU UILT? ONE.

ONE.

N OUR VIEW, DUNE WALKOVERS RE RAMPS AND BRIDGES.

ND THEN WE NEED SOME PECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE FOR BEACH ILES AND WE ARE MAKING URSELVES -- WE'RE MAKING THAT XPERTISE AVAILABLE TO OURSELVES O I'M NOT GOING TO MISS LEAD OU IN ANY WAY AT ALL.

KAY.

THAT'S FINE.

HY DO YOU THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY AS NOT BEEN USED ON BEACH ALKOVERS PRIOR? HY DON'T WE SEE THEM ALONG, HAT'S THE COAST LINE OF THE NITED STATES? ,000 MILES? E ARE THE ONLY COMPANY IN HE WORLD THAT IS DOING OPEN OLDING BRIDGES.

'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE REASON OR THAT IS I DON'T THINK OTHERS AVE FIGURED OUT HOW TO DO IT.

E DEVELOPED THIS PRODUCT.

HEN WE WENT LOOKING FOR PPLICATIONS.

E INITIALLY FOCUS ON THE GOLF NDUSTRY FOR NO REASON IN ARTICULAR OTHER THAN THEY DO A OT OF BRIDGES.

E HAVE SINCE BRANCHED OUT -- WE AVE DONE BUSINESS OVER THE OURSE OF THE LAST YEAR WE'VE ONE BUSINESS FOR THE STATE OVERNMENTS, MUNICIPAL OVERNMENTS, PRIVATE RESIDENTS.

OLF COURSES.

E'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT A UNDRED BRIDGES THIS YEAR AND VER 20 DIFFERENT STATES.

'VE THOUGHT FOR SOME TIME THAT HE BEACH BOARDWALK, BEACH ALKOVER IS A PERFECT PPLICATION AND SO WE'RE JUST ETTING TO THAT.

HY HAS NOBODY ELSE DONE IT? WOULD HAVE NO REASON FOR -- I EAN, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT ROPERLY OTHER THAN TO SAY I ON'T THINK THEY KNOW HOW.

KAY.

FAIR ENOUGH.

OU AND I HAVE BEEN SHARING OME EMAILS.

ES.

IGHT.

ND THE TOPIC OF OUR -- OF ONE F THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS THE UNE SCIENCE GROUP.

O YOU RECALL THAT EMAIL I SENT OU? ES.

ND THE DEAN SCIENCE GROUP ND I THINK YOUR PARTNERS ARE ITH YOU RIGHT? KAY.

NOW CAN YOU -- SO WE HAVE HIS ON THE RECORD.

AN YOU TELL ME THE RELATIONSHIP F THE DUNE SCIENCE GROUP TO OUR COMPANY AND IF WE PROCEEDED ITH LINKS BRING AS, HOW IS THIS ORKING? E'RE IN DISCUSSES RIGHT NOW O ANSWER THAT VERY QUESTION BUT CAN SAY WE HAVE A VERY OLLEGEAL RELATIONSHIP.

RESPECT EACH OF THOSE ENTLEMEN A LOT.

HEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL N HELPING US WITH THEIR ARTICULAR EXPERTISE.

EXPECT THAT WE MAY ONSTITUTION MATE SOME SORT OF USINESS RELATIONSHIP BUT WE'RE UST IN THE EARLY STAGES OF ISCUSSIONS ON THAT.

INKS BRIDGES IS A SMALL PECIALIZED COMPANY THAT MAKES S VERY NIMBLE SO WHEN WE CAN -- E CAN RESPOND TO THINGS THAT PPORTUNITIES AS THEY ARISE.

F THEY MAKE SENSE FOR US IN THE ONGER TERM.

KAY.

O YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HEM? O.

HAT EXPERTISE DOES THE DUNE CIENCE GROUP BRING TO YOUR OMPANY THAT YOU DON'T HAVE? XPERTISE ON BEACH ONSTRUCTION, DUNE SCIENCE.

EGAL EXPERTISE AS IT RELATES TO HE PARTICULARS OF MU ANIES PAP ONTRACTING IN FLORIDA.

UT MAINLY THE MAIN ATTRACTION HERE IS THE EXPERTISE IN DUNE EBUILDING AND WHAT THE DESIGN RITERIA WOULD BE FOR A WALKOVER ND CONSIDERATION FOR THE LONG ERM PLAN FOR DUNE RESTORATION EVELOPMENT AND MAINTENANCE.

ND I'LL ASK THE QUESTION I SKED JOHN.

HAT MAKES YOUR COMPANY IFFERENT THAN OTHER TWO? WOULD NEVER SAY -- I HINK -- I KNOW JOHN'S COMPANY ND INTERNSHIPING IT'S A GREAT OMPANY.

- I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMPANY.

DON'T KNOW THE OTHER ONE BUT I SSUME YOU WOULD NOT HAVE NVITED THEM HERE UNTIL THES HEY HAVE SOME -- UNLESS THEY AVE SOME CREDENTIALS.

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HAT MAKES US DIFFERENT ERTAINLY WE'RE INNOVATORS BY ATURE.

OU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS OMPANY DOING 30 FOOT BRIDGES OR GOLF CARTS AND WE'RE NOW OING 55 FOOT BRIDGES FOR 15,000 OUND VEHICLES.

ND WE'D DO THEM LONGER BUT RUCKS CAN'T CARRY BRIDGES ONGER THAN THAT.

E'VE DONE A VERY LOW OVERHEAD PERATION.

HE MONEY -- OUR MODEL IS HIGH OLUME, LOW MARGINS.

HE MONEY THAT PEOPLE GIVE TO US OESN'T -- WE DON'T HAVE A ARBLE STAIRCASE AND A FLOOR OF XECUTIVES AND A LEGAL TEAM OVER HERE.

O THOSE SAME THINGS MAKE US ERY NIMBLE.

ND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS OT TO CONTRAST US TO ANYBODY LSE BUT WE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT OING WHAT WE POLICEWOMANSED AND OING WHAT WE SAY AND THAT'S HY -- DOING WHAT WE PROMISED ND DOING WHAT WE SAY AND THAT'S HY IF YOU WANT TO CHECK US OUT, 'LL GIVE YOU A CUSTOMER LIST ND THEIR PHONE NUMBERS.

HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE OING TO SAY BUT I'M PLEATTY URE I'M GOING TO LIKE IT.

EXT WE HAVE PERMATRAK.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

'M JOHN PILE, THE REGIONAL ALES MANAGER FOR PERMATRAK ORTH AMERICA.

'M BASED IN GREENVILLE, SOUTH AROLINA.

UR COMPANY IS BASED IN HARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA.

PPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ERE TODAY.

AM GOING TO TAKE THE APPROACH F JUST GIVING YOU A HIGH LEVEL VERVIEW OF WHAT PERMATRAK IS ND WE'LL DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS BOUT THE SPECIFICS AND HOW THEY PPLY.

ERMATRAK TRACK STARTED IN USTRALIA SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE 010.

LONG TRACK RECORD OF PERMATRAK ND WE HAVE A GREAT RESOURCE ON UR WEBSITE.

E HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN HE STATE OF FLORIDA IF YOU WANT O LOOK AT SOME OF OUR WORK, I AN SEND YOU LINKS AND IRECTIONS WHERE YOU CAN FIND HOSE PROJECTS.

HE TREADS WHICH ARE THE WALKING URFACE, THEY HAVE OPTIONAL OUNDATION SYSTEMS AND THEN -- HAT IS GOING TO BE DRIFB BY ECHNICAL CONDITIONS AND THE EIGHT ITSELF.

E HAVE OPTIONAL CURVES WHICH OU CAN USE AS A SIDE TREATMENT.

OCAL MANUFACTURING BY LOCAL I EAN LEESBURG SO RELATIVELY OCAL, CONCRETE.

E'RE NOT AN INSTALLER.

E'RE NOT A CONTRACTOR.

O WE DON'T DO THE INSTALL ON ITE.

NSTALLATION WORK.

OWEVER, WE WILL BE THERE TO ELP AND CONSULT WITH THE ONTRACTOR.

URABILITY AND COST, PRECAST ONCRETE, CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS ONE SOME STUDIES AND THEY'VE SSIGNED 75 TO 100 YEARS EPENDING ON YOUR USE.

VERY COST EFFECTIVE ARTICULARLY WITH THESE LARGER TRUCTURES.

HE PRODUCT RATHER PERMATRAK IS LMOST ALWAYS GOING TO BE MORE OST EFFECTIVE.

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WOOD SUB STRAKE WHICH YOU ARE ITH SOME COMPOSITE DECKING.

OU'LL SEE THE INSTALL THAT'S UN ACROSS.

HE OPTION OVER TIME PERMATRAK AS THE LOWER COST OPTION IN THE IFE OF THE STRUCTURE.

NOTHER THING I WANTED TO TOUCH ASE ON IS HOW WE HANDLE SOME ITE CHALLENGES OR SITE ONDITIONS.

EATURES.

O ALIGNMENTS.

LOT OF FOLKS ASSOCIATE IT WITH HE STRAIGHT RECTANGULAR OR QUARE ALIGNMENT.

E CAN HANDLE CURVE WHICH YOU RES IF NEEDED TO GO AROUND REES, CHANGE DIRECTIONS.

APERED OR SKEWED TREADS TO WORK ROUND THE CURVE.

LEVATION CHANGES.

UNE WALKOVER OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT O GET UP AND OVER THE DUNES.

AMPS.

AKING SURE YOU'RE MAINTAINING DA COMPLIANCE.

E CAN ALSO DO STAIRS.

OLORS, WE PROVIDE AN INTERVAL YSTEM FOR OUR COLORS.

HERE ARE COLORS THAT YOU CAN HOOSE FROM OR IF YOU HAD OMETHING YOU WANTED TO USE YOU OULD DEVELOP A CUSTOM COLOR.

EXTURES.

HE WEAR SURFACE.

E OPERATE A PRECAST CONCRETE URVE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE NSWER ALSO USE RAILINGS.

OU EXCEED 30 INCHES YOU WANT TO SE A RAILING.

NY TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT YOU WANT O USE.

T JUST GETS BOLTED TO THE TOP F OUR TREADS.

T'S VERY FLEXIBLE WHATEVER YOU ANT TO USE HERE.

ND WE PROVIDE -- BACK ME UP NCE -- WHERE IT'S CONNECTED TO HE TREAD, WE FREE FORM HOLES SO HERE'S NO DRILLING OF CONCRETE.

F YOU WANT TO DO OBSERVATION ECKS, YOU CAN DO THAT.

NCORPORATE THAT IN DESIGN ENCHES.

IGHTING POSTS.

OUNDATIONS.

OUNDATIONS ARE DRIVEN BY THE ECHNICAL CONDITIONS ON MOST ROJECTS.

'VE HIGH LIGHTED IN YELLOW THE NES I WOULD THINK WOULD BE THE OST LIKELY TO BE USED ON A DUNE ALKOVER.

E CAN USE REALLY ANY OF THOSE PTIONS.

OWEVER, AS THE OTHER GENTLEMAN EFORE MENTIONED, I THINK YOU ANT TO MAXIMIZE -- IS A GOOD PTION.

HAT WORKS JUST AS WELL WITH A RECAST CONCRETE BOARDWALK AS ELL.

ND THEN WRAPPING UP WITH A OUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON THE ONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

GAIN, WE'RE NOT A CONTRACTOR.

E DON'T DO THE INSTALLATION.

OWEVER, WE'LL WORK WITH THE NSTALLER.

YPICALLY, THEY CAN WEIGH FROM A OUPLE HUNDRED POUNDS TO A OUPLE THOUSAND POUNDS.

HEY DON'T REQUIRE A CRANE.

OU CAN USE A BOB CAT OR A MINI XCAVATOR.

ERY SIMPLE SPREADER BARS, TRAPS, CHAINS.

E HAVE A FIELD CONSULTANT ON ITE TO HELP MAKE SURE THEY NDERSTAND HOW TO INSTALL IT ORRECTLY.

ND TOP DOWN CONSTRUCTION.

HIS COMES UP QUITE A BIT.

OW DO YOU BUILD IT.

F YOU CAN'T WORK IN THE DUNE IGHT NEXT TO THE PATHWAY OF THE OARDWALK, YOU -- YOU CAN BUILD HE BOARDWALK IN ADVANCE AND UST KEEP BUILDING IT AS YOU GO.

O IT HELPS MINIMIZE THAT IMPACT F THE AS YOU ARE ROUNDING EALS.

- SURROUNDING DUNES.

ND THAT IS THE VERY QUICK RUN HROUGH FOR WHAT I HAD TO COVER ITH PERMATRAK SO I CAN NTERTAIN QUESTIONS.

HANK YOU.

O JOHN I'LL ASK YOU THE SAME UESTIONS.

OW MANY DUNE BEACH WALKOVERS AVE YOU DONE? E HAVE DONE NO DUNE ALKOVERS.

T HAS PROVEN TO BE A VERY IFFICULT MARKET FOR A NUMBER OF EASONS.

THINK THE REASON FOR IT IS IND OF A STATUS QUO IF YOU ILL.

LOT OF CONTRACTORS WHO ARE EACH CONTRACTORS AND THEY BUILD OCKS AND THEY'RE USED TO UILDING TIMBER AND THAT'S WHAT HE CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY DRIVES HAT WAY BUT I THINK ALSO THE EGULATORY COMMUNITY HELPS DRIVE T THAT WAY AS WELL.

GAIN, THEY UNDERSTAND TIMBER, HEY CONSIDER TIMBER IN SOME ASES TO BE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY RIENDLY WITH THE NATIVE NVIRONMENT IF AND WHEN OMETHING DOES HAPPEN TO IT.

DON'T AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH YSELF.

KAY.

I'LL STEAL THE UESTION ABOUT DEP.

NY PROBLEMS OR WHAT ARE THE URDLES IN PERMITTING? E HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE EP SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROJECT R ANY OTHER PROJECT.

GAIN, WE DO MORE OF THE WHERE E'RE A MATERIAL SUPPLIER AND ESIGN OF MATERIAL SUPPLIER.

O ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING GENCY PERMITTING IS TYPICALLY OING TO BE DONE BY THE ONSULTING ENGINEER OF RECORD OR THESE PROJECTS.

ERMATRAK DOES NOT DO THAT KIND F APPLICATION PROCESS.

ND HOW DOES THE CONCRETE DIFFER N COST FROM THE COMPOSITE ATERIAL.

WOULD SAY ON AVERAGE IT'S OING TO BE DEPENDING ON WIDTH ND LENGTH AND THE LOW GRADE IMILAR.

ONCRETE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT IGHER.

ITTLE BIT HIGHER.

T JUST DEPENDS ON THE GEOMETRY ND THE LOAD RATING FOR THAT ARTICULAR STRUCTURE.

E MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOME THINGS ITH FOUNDATION OF THE BALES TO LIMINATE OR REDUCE SOME OF THE OUNDATIONS WHICH HELPS WITH VERALL INSTALL COSTS.

ND WHY IS YOUR COMPANY IFFERENT THAN THE OTHER TWO? ELL, THE OBVIOUS WOULD BE HE PRECAST CONCRETE, MATERIALS.

UT PRIMARILY WE TAKE THE PPROACH OF AN ENGINEERING OMPANY.

E WORK WITH SOLUTIONS AND WORK ITH DESIGNERS ON THE FRONT END O HELP FIND THE BEST SOLUTION OR THEIR PARTICULAR CHALLENGES.

LL RIGHT.

HANK YOU.

HANK YOU.

HEESE 'M JUST GOING TO MAKE SOME OMMENTS ON THE OVERALL PROCESS.

IRST THING I WANT TO DO IS -- AN I ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS? OMMISSIONER ROSS HAS A IRECT QUESTION.

'VE TALKED TO ALL THREE OF HESE GENTLEMEN OVER THE LAST EAR AND A HALF ON SEVERAL CCASIONS AND I MUST -- IF YOU ANT TO GO TO A WEBSITE AND EARN ABOUT ALTERNATIVES TO WEB OARDWALKS, YOUR WEBSITE HAS ALL HE INFORMATION THERE.

T'S A GREAT WEBSITE FOR EARNING ABOUT ALTERNATIVES IN ONSTRUCTION BUT YOUR WEBSITE IS UITE IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE BOUT THIS, IT'S A GREAT EBSITE.

HERE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD RTICLES ON THAT WEBSITE AS ELL.

EALING MAINLY WITH COMPARISONS F TIMBER TO CONCRETE.

ND JUST A FEW MINUTES FOR ISCUSSION.

'LL BE BRIEF.

IRST OF ALL, I WANT TO MPHASIZE WHAT WALKOVERS ARE.

T'S DESIGNED TO BE MINIMAL AND XPANDABLE STRUCTURE WITH INIMAL DEBRIS.

O LIFE CYCLE OF 25 AND 75 AND 0 YEARS REALLY IS AN IRRELEVANT HING FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

UMBER ONE, THE DUNES ARE GOING O CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY IN FIVE EARS THEY'LL CHANGE.

THINK ALL OF YOU SEEM TO BE ELL MOTIVATED, HAVE INTERESTING RODUCTS, AND NONE OF YOU HAVE ONE ANY BEACH WALKOVERS IN THE TATE OF FLORIDA.

EACH WALKOVERS DONE THE WAY HEY ARE DONE NOW CAN BE VERY FFECTIVE IF IT'S MANAGED ROPERLY.

E'LL HAVE 48 BEACH WALKOVERS ERE SHORTLY.

E HAVE 48 ACCESSES.

E'LL HAVE 48 WALKOVERS SHORTLY ND I THINK IT'S WELL WORTH OOKING AT SOME POPPINGSES.

THINK DALE BROUGHT IT UP, OF OT LINK BRIDGE ALONE BUT OTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THERE WAS FOURTH COMPANY ALSO WHO COULD OT MAKE IT OF OPTIONS WITH URTHER DISCUSSIONS LOOKING AT HAT THE DEP ACTUALLY SAYS.

THINK WAGNER AREN'T YOU ALKING TO THE COUNTY? ES.

KAY.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD ROCEED IN SOME FORM.

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T'S WELL WORTH LOOKING AT.

WOULD LIKE TO BE CAREFUL ON URCHASING AND DISCUSSION AND ISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEP BY IREN OR THES THAT DEAL WITH WE IDN'T COMMIT TO DO ANY SPECIFIC ALKOVERS THAT'S COMING IN IFFERENT AREAS.

UT I THINK IT'S WELL WORTH ROCEEDING.

OOKING AT SOME KIND OF OPTIONAL EMONSTRATION.

THINK THE IDEAL PLACE WOULD AVE BEEN THE MAIN BEACH OARDWALK AND WE HAVE JOE HERE HO IS OUR NEW PARKS GUY.

HEY'RE TAKING OVER THE FIRST OF CTOBER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE HE GUYS WHO MANAGE AND RUN HIS.

WISH OUR ENGINEER WAS HERE TOO UT, YOU KNOW, HE ULTIMATELY ILL BE THE GUY WHO INSPECTS AND ESIGNS IT.

N ENGINEER.

HANK YOU, SIR.

ALE, COULD YOU GIVE US A IMELINE OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT OW WITH THIS? THINK THE DISCUSSION NEEDS O CONTINUE.

HERE IS NO TIMELINE.

KNOW THAT THIS WAS RECIPITATED BY SOME DISCUSSION EFORE ABOUT A DEMONSTRATION ROJECT.

HAT'S WHAT DROVE THE DESIRE TO AVE THIS PRESENTATION HERE.

O IT'S WIDE OPEN FOR HOW YOU ANT TO PROCEED.

NE THING I DISCUSSED SINCE I ET WITH THEM TODAY, VICE MAYOR ND COMMISSIONER ROSS -- BY A MALL DEMONSTRATION PROJECT AND HETHER WE HAVE SHORTER BEACH ALKOVERS THAT WE CAN HEORETICALLY USE THIS, WORK ITH DEP AND SAY THAT WE'D BE ILLING TO PAY TEN TO $15,000 'M JUST THROWING A NUMBER OUT, 0 OR $15,000 TO LINK BRIDGE, TO ERMATRAK AND SAY, LISTEN, GIVE S WHAT YOU CAN FOR THAT COST.

HERE'S A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT.

ET IT SIT OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL ONTHS OR SO.

F THESE THINGS LAST FOREVER, I ON'T THINK WHETHER WE LET IT IT OUT THERE FOR SIX MONTHS OR YEAR IS GOING TO MAKE A IFFERENCE.

THINK A LOT OF IT IS UPON THE UBLIC RECEPTION AND THINGS LIKE HAT, THAT THEY'VE ALL TESTIFIED R COMMENTED THAT THEIR PRODUCTS RE GOING TO LAST FOR 75 YEARS.

E'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT TO SEE HAT IT'S LIKE IN 76 YEARS TO AKE A DECISION.

O THOSE I THINK WE HAVE SOME PTIONS TO APPROACH THEM.

O KEEP THINGS ABOVE BOARD AND RANSPARENT WITH REGARD TO THE OST.

ND WE HAVE FUNDS IN OUR IMPACT EES AND OUR BUDGET FOR BEACH ALKOVERS AND THAT MIGHT BE OMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING SO E'RE NOT MAYBE ONE COMPANY IS ILLING TO DO SOMETHING FOR, UOTE, FREE BUT THE OTHER ONES REN'T SO DO WE WANT THAT RIVING OUR DECISION.

HANK YOU.

WANTED PUBLIC RECEPTION BUT E'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION ERE.

E'VE NOT MADE ANY MOVEMENT OWARDS THESE WHATSOEVER.

WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE PPLES TO APPLES.

ND IN ORDER TO COMPARE APPLES O APPLES, WE NEED SOME SORT OF ESIGN AND THEN SOME TYPE OF ID.

O WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS ON HAT DESIGN.

ND THEN TO MR. MARTIN'S POINT, F WE WANT TO HAVE THREE OF HESE TEST WALKOVERS BUILT, HORT ONES OVER DUNES, THEN WE OULD MAKE AN INVESTMENT AND DO N EVALUATION.

UT THAT WAY WE HAVE APPLES TO PPLES AND WE KNOW WHAT THE COST F THESE THINGS ARE.

IGHT NOW, I HAVE NO IDEA.

HAVE NO SENSE OF COST.

OMMISSIONER ROSS.

HEN YOU SAY DESIGN, DESIGN EANS THEY'RE DESIGNING THE WAY EACH WALKOVERS ARE BUILT AND HESE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO THAT.

O THE DESIGN OF A BEACH ALKOVER IS GOING TO BE IFFERENT.

O WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT HE CITY MANAGER PROCEED WITH OMING UP AND SEE IF WE CAN DO OME COMMON ADMINISTRATION RODUCTS, COME UP WITH A PROCESS F DOING THIS AND COME BACK IN WO WEEKS AFTER TALKING TO THESE OMPANIES AND SEEING WHAT'S EASIBLE.

THINK THAT MIGHT WORK.

AGREE WITH THAT CONCEPT.

THINK -- FIRST OF ALL, YOU AN'T DO APPLES TO APPLES, ECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE ALL SOLE OURCE BUT I THINK WE CAN COME P WITH A SIMPLE DESIGN.

EMEMBER OUR GOAL IS TO PROJECT HE DUNE SO WE HAVE AMPLE PLACES E COULD COME UP WITH AN PPROPRIATE ENGINEERING DESIGN HICH MEETS ALL FOUR OF THE ROPRITARY SPECIFICATIONS.

T WOULD BE RELATIVELY EASY NGINEERING WISE I BELIEVE.

UST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FIVE-MINUTE WARNING.

HANK YOU.

HEN I SAY DESIGN, I AM TALKING N THE SIMPLEST TERMS, GIVE ME A 0-FOOT WALKOVER THAT'S TEN-FEET IGH.

OW'S THAT? HAT'S NOT A DESIGN.

HOSE ARE SPECIFICATIONS.

KAY.

SO -- EXCUSE MY OMENCLATURE.

ROUGH SPEND.

LL RIGHT.

E'RE ADJOURNED.

E BACK IN FIVE MINUTES.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.