Mar 05, 2025 Community Redevelopment Agency

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH. I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW. CALL TO ORDER THE CRA MEETING MARCH THE 5TH,

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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HERE. MEMBER BARTELTT. HERE. MEMBER SCHAFFER.

HERE. VICE CHAIR COOK. HERE. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. THIRD. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT. DON'T LOOK LIKE WE'VE GOT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.

ABOUT THAT. OLD

[6.1 Riverfront Ad Hoc Committee]

LIGHT? OH, THAT'S KIND OF NICE FOR ME. WHATEVER YOU NEED.

NO. NEVER MIND. I THINK I CAN SEE. I LOOK LIKE I'M GLARING ON TV.

IT'S ON. I'M JUST KIDDING. OH, NO GLARING. SUNGLASSES.

THANKS. THERE WE GO. PAGE ONE. PERFECT. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.

RIGHT. FOR. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AD HOC COMMITTEE? SO WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHICH OF OUR THREE MEMBERS OR HOW WE WANT TO BE REPRESENTED WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.

SO THE THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR A COMMITTEE OF SEVEN.

IT WOULD BE THREE FROM THIS BOARD, TWO FROM THE HDC BOARD AND TWO FROM THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD TO SERVE ON THIS SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT THE DISPOSITION OF BRETT'S RESTAURANT. SO THE PLAN IS PASSERO AND ASSOCIATES IS EVALUATING THE PROPERTY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND A COST ESTIMATE ON THE DEMOLITION AND THEN PROVIDING, I THINK, 3 TO 5 OPTIONS FOR WHAT MIGHT GO IN ITS PLACE WITH, YOU KNOW, KNOWING ALL OF THE THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS FAR AS THE FUEL LINE FOR THE MARINA, THE POWER, ALL OF THE, THE THINGS.

SO YOU KNOW, THIS THIS COMMITTEE WOULD START TO MEET ONCE WE HAVE THAT REPORT FROM PASSERO.

SO I KNOW A COUPLE PEOPLE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN SERVING AT THE LAST MEETING AND SINCE THEN, BUT NOW THAT MIKE IS NOT ON THE BOARD ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT AND SEE WHO WANTS TO DO THAT. SO. WHEN IS WHEN ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE WRAPPED UP? I THINK IT'S DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIME ESTIMATE IS ON IT.

ON PASSERO'S WORK? YEAH. PULL UP THE SCOPE. I DON'T I THINK JEREMIAH SAID 90 DAYS.

YEAH. SO MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER TWO MONTHS. ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS, MAYBE LONGER.

IT'S PROBABLY A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE, ISN'T IT? TWO WEEKS.

WHAT DID YOU SAY? MONTHS.

BOTH MIKE AND ERIC HAD PROVIDED SOME IDEAS ON HOW THAT COMMITTEE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD.

SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THAT COMMITTEE COULD FORM EARLIER THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD NOT HAVE TO NECESSARILY WAIT TO MEET UNTIL THAT REPORT WAS BACK, BUT COULD MEET TO JUST DISCUSS THE PROCESS ITSELF.

SO BUT I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY OF THE MEETINGS? YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A TIME CONCERN HERE BECAUSE THIS LEASE EXPIRES AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO THE SOONER THE TIGHTER WE CAN KEEP THAT TIMEFRAME ON OUR END, THE BETTER, I THINK.

I MEAN, I FELT LIKE I SHOULD MEET TWICE AND THAT'S IT.

LIKE, BRING YOUR IDEAS, TAKE THE INFORMATION.

AND WE'RE JUST ADVISING THE COMMISSIONERS. THEY MAKE THE DECISION.

RIGHT. I DON'T SEE WHY IT SHOULD BE LONGER THAN THAT.

BUT THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN WE DID AND SOME OF MANY OF YOU WEREN'T ON THIS, BUT WHEN WE DID THE SAME WITH THE PARKING EVALUATION, IT WAS THAT I THINK IT WAS TWO MEETINGS LIKE A WEEK APART THAT WE REALLY JUST SAT DOWN AND

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BUT ERIC, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT.

YOU WERE YOU WERE ADVOCATING FOR EXPANDING THE COMMITTEE.

BUT THEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLY LIKE IT SHOULD BE THE WHOLE BOARD CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS.

IT WOULD BE THEN THE THREE REPRESENTATIVES JOB TO CARRY THAT TO THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE.

RIGHT? YEAH. MY CONCERN IS THAT. THIS ALL KIND OF COMES DOWN TO A COMMITTEE OF SEVEN PEOPLE, AND THERE COULD BE DIFFICULTY REACHING CONSENSUS WITH THAT.

SO MY THOUGHT WAS TO, INSTEAD OF NARROWING IT DOWN TO A SEVEN PERSON COMMITTEE, IS TO GO THE OPPOSITE WAY IS TO HAVE EACH OF THE COMMITTEES, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES OUT THERE, AND THAT WOULD BE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT REPRESENTED IN THIS NEW AD HOC COMMITTEE.

WHY ARE THEY NOT IN IT? PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, CRAAB, PARKS AND REC, MARINA ADVISORY BOARD.

AND MAIN STREET IS NOT REPRESENTED IN THIS. SO WHAT I WAS KIND OF THINKING IS THAT EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES WOULD DISCUSS THE OPTIONS FOR BRETT'S, AND THEN EACH OF THOSE MEMBERS OF EACH OF THOSE COMMITTEES WOULD STATE WHAT THEY WANTED AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT FUNDING COULD BE DONE FOR THAT, AND THEN ALL OF THAT ACCUMULATED INFORMATION WOULD GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION .

SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT SOMEWHERE AROUND 40 PEOPLE EXPRESSING THEIR OPINION ABOUT WHAT BRETT'S SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH.

AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION COULD THEN TABULATE THAT AND GO THROUGH IT AND READ COMMENTS.

IF THERE WERE COMMENTS INCLUDED WITH THAT FROM EACH OF THOSE MEMBERS, SO THAT IT DOESN'T COME DOWN TO SAYING, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A RESTAURANT, AND GREG ROLAND SAYING, NO, THERE SHOULDN'T BE A RESTAURANT.

I MEAN, HOW ARE THOSE DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING TO GET RESOLVED AND CONSENSUS REACHED IF EVERYBODY OR IF THE PEOPLE ON THAT SEVEN PERSON COMMITTEE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT IT? SO ESSENTIALLY EVERY COMMITTEE KIND OF THROWS IN ONE VOTE.

WE DECIDE TOGETHER. NOT EVEN THAT. JUST EACH MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE WOULD STATE THEIR PREFERENCE AND AND PROVIDE SOME COMMENTS IF THEY WANTED, AND ALL OF THAT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION .

IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF STUFF, BUT THE CITY COMMISSION COULD SAY, OH, ALL RIGHT, FOUR OUT OF THE 5 OR 4 OUT OF THE SEVEN PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THINKS THERE SHOULD BE A RESTAURANT AND THE OTHERS DON'T, OR OR SOME COMBINATION OF THAT, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE MORE THAN JUST TWO CHOICES.

THERE MAY BE 3 OR 4 CHOICES. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION THEN TO KIND OF SORT THROUGH THAT AND SAY, WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CONSENSUS OF THESE 40.

PEOPLE ON ALL OF THESE ADVISORY COMMITTEES THINK THERE SHOULD BE THIS.

AND THIS OTHER THING IS A CLOSE SECOND, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT OR WHATEVER, AND THEN LET THEM MAKE I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION ANYWAY, SO WHY NOT LET THEM BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? AND THEN THEY CAN SAY TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE EXPANDED THIS OUT SO THAT WE DON'T JUST HAVE ONE SEVEN PERSON COMMITTEE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO US. WE HAVE EVERYBODY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK KEEP IN MIND, THOUGH, THAT THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH TO BE A PIECE OF THIS, SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.

YES. AND THAT WAY. THE PURVIEW OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.

I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES DISCUSSING THE QUESTION, THE PUBLIC CAN CAN INTERACT WITH THOSE COMMITTEES IN THEIR MEETINGS. I MEAN, SO THAT GIVES EVEN MORE INPUT INTO THOSE COMMITTEES THEY GET TO. IT'S NOT JUST ONE COMMITTEE GETTING HEARING FROM A FEW PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.

WELL, I'M JUST THINKING OUTSIDE, THOUGH, LIKE FOR EVERY DECISION WE MAKE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE HAVE SO MANY DECISIONS TO MAKE ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

AND I JUST DON'T NOT THAT I DON'T I WANT EVERYONE'S INPUT, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ON THIS BOARD, BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS FOR THE WATERFRONT, AND THEY NEED TO BE REACHING OUT TO US AND EMAILING US AND GIVING US THEIR OPINION.

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THIS IS OUR JOB TO DO THAT. AND I, I HOPE FOR EVERY DECISION WE MAKE, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND REC AND EVERYBODY AREN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

RIGHT. MY FEELING WAS THAT THIS IS SUCH A THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A WHOLE DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF IMPORTANCE.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE CENTERPIECE AT THE FOOT OF CENTER STREET.

THIS IS A BIG DEAL WITH BRETT'S. AND SO I'M JUST WORRIED THAT IF IT ALL FALLS ON THE SHOULDERS OF ONE COMMITTEE THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THAT COMMITTEE ISN'T EXACTLY UNIVERSAL IN ITS OPINION OR ITS RECOMMENDATION.

WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO BROADEN THE, LEVEL OR THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT THE CITY COMMISSION .

YES. SO THAT THEY HAVE MORE TO DEAL WITH, TO MORE TO THINK ABOUT AND MAKE A DECISION THAT WAY.

IT WORRIES ME IF YOU GET SUCH A LARGE GROUP, YOU SAY YOU HAD 40 PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE.

THEN THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, ON FACEBOOK YOU GOT 140.

AND THIS INFORMATION IS NOT TRUE TO WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS TALKING ABOUT.

TO ME, I THINK YOU'RE BETTER OFF WITH A NARROW COMMITTEE.

BUT WON'T THEY DO THAT ANYWAY? WELL, IT DON'T MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WE SHOULD KEEP THE LIMIT DOWN.

YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT. YOU HAVE A CONTROLLER? JUST A THOUGHT. I MEAN, YEAH, WELL, I THINK THERE'S NO I MEAN, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR DEBATE ON THE SIZE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION. SO HOW THE AD HOC COMMITTEE GOES ABOUT COMING TO A RECOMMENDATION IS UP TO THE YOU KNOW, THAT IS UP FOR DEBATE. WELL, I FEEL LIKE ALL OF THESE, WHOEVER'S GOING TO BE CONNECTED WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN MEETINGS. IF YOU WANT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION, YOU COME TO THE AND LAY IT DOWN AND YOU MAKE A RECORD OF IT, AND YOU TAKE AND WRITE IT AND YOU PASS IT ON.

IF IT'S REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU THINK IT'S BAD, GOOD OR BAD, PASS IT ON TO THE COMMISSION.

LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION. IT'S IN THEIR HANDS ANYHOW, AFTER IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE.

SO UP ON THE SCREEN, JAKE HAS THE THIS IS A SECTION FROM THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR PASSERO, AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TASKED WITH AS FAR AS COMING BACK TO THAT COMMITTEE WITH ONE OF THESE FIVE OPTIONS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A WE CAN PUT UP THERE. THE MIKE SPINO HAD PUT TOGETHER KIND OF A DRAFT OF WHAT MIGHT BE THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION PURPOSES TO SEE WHAT THIS THIS GROUP THOUGHT AND THEN TO TAKE IT ON TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ONCE IT FORMS. SO WE CAN PUT THAT UP TO BEFORE YOU GO TO THAT.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PASSERO? SURE, SURE. I'D LIKE TO GET THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HEAR SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FIVE THINGS THAT ARE UP THERE.

NUMBER ONE IS NOTHING TO BE PLACED IN THE RESTAURANT FOOTPRINT.

YOU CAN'T DO NOTHING. I MEAN, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS ACCESS TO THE DOCKS.

SO THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE, SOME STRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN WALK ON THAT GETS YOU TO THE TO THE INDIVIDUAL DOCKS.

SO THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING AND IT CAN'T BE NOTHING.

AND THEN WHERE ARE THOSE DOCKS ARE LOCATED? THE DOCKS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE GANGWAYS TO EACH OF THOSE DOCKS.

AND SO, SO WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT GETS YOU TO THOSE GANGWAYS.

IS THAT A SOLID THING? IS IT A FLOATING THING? SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. THE NOTHING IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

WE COULD PROBABLY JUST STRIKE ONE, THEN CROSS IT OUT, BUT THEN THE REST AREN'T TOO BAD.

WELL, NUMBER TWO, AN OPEN TIMBER DECK. I MEAN, THE BRETT'S DECK.

IS THAT IT? THE BRETT'S SITS ON NOW, ALONG WITH THE FRONT AND CENTER GIFT SHOP, IS PROBABLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 7 OR 8000FT².

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ANYWAY, WITH THE BIG DECK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF BRETT'S.

SO. BUT IT COULD BE, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.

GREAT. BUT TO SPECIFY IT AS A TIMBER DECK AT THIS POINT, TO ME IS PREMATURE.

THEN NUMBER THREE, AN OPEN DECK OR OPEN TIMBER DECK.

PAVILION. OKAY. SO THAT'S JUST A DECK WITH THE PAVILION ON IT.

NUMBER FOUR BUILDING RESTAURANT. LANDWARD SIDE Y LANDWARD SIDE.

WHY IS IT ON THE DECK? I DON'T UNDERSTAND QUITE.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT LANDWARD SIDE MEANS.

IS IT ON THE. IS THE RESTAURANT ON THE LAND? SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE ON THE UPLANDS.

I THINK IT IS. IT'S BACK EAST OF IT, TOWARD THE RAILROAD TRACK.

WHERE? WHERE THE LAND BEGINS. IT'S EAST OF THE BULKHEAD.

THAT'S THERE NOW. YEAH, THAT'S. I MEAN, YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO COST SO MUCH TO BUILD IT OVER THAT WATER? A RESTAURANT OVER THE WATER AGAIN. RIGHT. AND AND THAT'S THE FINAL POINT.

IS THAT ALL OF THOSE, CATEGORIES THERE, DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU FUND IT.

I MEAN, IF YOU BUILD A DECK OR A PLATFORM AND THEN YOU PUT A RESTAURANT ON IT, THAT SUGGESTS THE POSSIBILITY OF EITHER A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OR A PUBLIC PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. IF IT'S JUST LIKE NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO, THAT SUGGESTS ONLY PUBLIC FINANCING FOR IT OR FUNDING FOR IT. SO THESE THINGS ARE COMPLICATED, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL THING IS, BUT HOW IT GETS FUNDED REALLY DRIVES IT.

SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH, I GUESS.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT THAT CAN BE SALVAGED WITH THE OLD FOOTPRINT OF THE TEEPEE, WHERE THE BRETT'S ARE SITTING NOW.

I THINK SOME OF THAT COULD BE SALVAGED AND STILL REUSED AGAIN.

ME PERSONALLY I FEEL THAT WAY. IF THEY. WHEN THEY TEAR IT DOWN, TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, COME IN MY OPINION IS SHOULD BE THE BUILDING.

COME TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN, CHECK OUT THE FOUNDATION IF ITS USABLE, REUSE IT.

IF ITS NOT YOU COME IN. THAT'S AN ENGINEERING DECISION.

I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT DETERMINES HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT IT TO THE MARINA.

IT'S GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DEVICE TO CONNECT IT TO THE MARINA.

YOU CAN'T. YEAH. SO I MEAN, YOU COULD UTILIZE THAT, RIGHT AT A LOWER EXPENSE.

ALSO, PART OF THAT DOCUMENT IS A AERIAL VIEW OF BRETT'S THAT DEFINES THE YEAH, THERE DEFINES THE AREA TO BE FOR PASSERO TO CONSIDER.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE AREA OF THE PLATFORM THAT THE BUILDING THAT HAS THE MARINA OFFICE ON THE BOATER CHECK IN.

THAT'S NOT ON IT. IS THAT NOT GOING TO BE TORN DOWN? IF I MAY. CHAIR MAY I? FEEL FREE. OKAY. I THINK I THINK YOU'RE GETTING IT A LITTLE BIT INTO THE WEEDS HERE.

THIS IS NOT THE PURVIEW OF CRAAB TO BE REDESIGNING A DECISION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE TO HAVE TO HAVE PASSERO COME BACK AND BRING US SOME OPTIONS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT OF WHAT THIS BOARD SHOULD BE DOING.

THE WHAT THE COMMISSION PROVIDE CONSENSUS ON DOING IS THAT ONCE THESE CONCEPTS ARE AVAILABLE FOR CRAAB TO HELP BRING TOGETHER THREE REPRESENTATIVES FROM CRAAB, ALONG WITH HTC AND THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, TO EVALUATE THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AND DO A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PLATFORM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO GO BACK HERE. SO, I MEAN, I DON'T YOU KNOW, THIS WE'VE ALREADY TASKED PASTOR WITH DOING THAT.

WE JUST GOT WORD THAT THEY'LL HAVE THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE AERIAL WORK AND THEY'LL HAVE US.

WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR MID-APRIL TO START LOOKING AT THOSE CONCEPTS.

BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE IF WE'LL SCROLL BACK TO WHAT THOSE WERE, ALL THOSE THOSE THOSE VARIABLES ARE THERE, OF COURSE, TO DO NOTHING. OPEN TIMBER DECK. TIMBER DECK/ PAVILION, A BUILDING RESTAURANT.

AND THAT FIFTH ELEMENT. ANY COMBINATION OF THE TWO.

SO I MEAN, THAT COULD BE A RESTAURANT LANDWARD WITH A PAVILION OR OPEN DECK OUT ON THE WATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO, I MEAN, I'M SURE WE'LL GET A NUMBER OF CONCEPTS TO LOOK AT AND THEN WE CAN TAKE YOU KNOW,

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JEREMIAH, I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T MEAN TO BE OVERSTEPPING.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE SORT OF URGENCY OF THIS, I CAN'T SORT OF HELP IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, PASSERO IS GOING TO DO WHAT PASSERO IS GOING TO DO, AND THAT'S FINE.

YEAH. WE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER FIRM TO BRING US THAT MATERIAL AND THOSE CONCEPTS AND PROBABLE COST.

AND THEN WE'LL WE'RE ACCELERATING AS BEST WE CAN LIKE YOU SAID IT IS, THERE'S A DEADLINE AHEAD OF US.

SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT I HOPE THAT HELPS A LITTLE.

GO AHEAD. I'VE DONE ENOUGH LARGE PROJECTS THAT ALL THIS, NONE OF THIS.

WE'RE ALL WASTING OUR TIME IF WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET.

I KNOW IT'S THE CITY AND EVERYBODY WHATEVER. BUT IF WE DON'T, IF WE'RE LIKE, IF Y'ALL ARE LIKE, WE HAVE $2 MILLION, THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. BUT WE'RE ALL WASTING OUR TIME WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF NUMBER.

SO ANYTHING AT ALL, GUIDANCE WISE. EXCUSE ME.

YEAH. SARAH CAMPBELL, CITY MANAGER . THANK YOU.

WE HAVE $1 MILLION RIGHT NOW SET ASIDE FOR DEMOLITION.

BUT ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF THIS PROPOSAL FROM PASSERO IS THE PROBABLE COST OF DEMOLITION.

SO WE DON'T KNOW IF $1 MILLION IS ENOUGH OR IF WE NEED TO SET ASIDE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN OUR NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO COMPLETE THE DEMOLITION.

I THINK THE COMMISSION'S PRIORITY WAS GET IT TORN DOWN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AFTER JANUARY 1ST AS WE CAN.

WE DON'T WANT A DERELICT FACILITY SITTING THERE FOR THE PUBLIC TO JUST GET ANGRIER AND ANGRIER ABOUT.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT COMES NEXT AND THE BUDGET FOR WHAT COMES NEXT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED, REALLY BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE THERE.

IF YOU KNOW THAT BUDGET WILL BE VERY DIFFERENT, IT COULD BE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, DEPENDING ON IF PEOPLE ARE ADAMANT THAT THERE WILL BE A RESTAURANT IN DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH WHERE BRETT'S USED TO BE, THEN THAT'S THE PATH WE'LL PURSUE, AND WE'LL SET A BUDGET APPROPRIATELY, AND WE'LL FIND PRIVATE PARTNERS TO HELP INVEST IN THAT.

IF THE PUBLIC SAYS WE JUST WANT THE WATER TO FLOW, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DREDGE EVERY YEAR, THEN WE'LL SET OUR BUDGET ACCORDINGLY FOR THAT.

SO A LOT OF IT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON FUNDING THE DEMOLITION, IF THAT. IF THAT HELPS. YEAH. THANK YOU. YEAH.

IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING TO JEREMIAH, MY CONCERN WAS THAT WHAT WENT TO PASSERO IS DESIGNING IT.

I MEAN, THOSE FIVE ALTERNATIVES. IT SPECIFIES FAIRLY CLEARLY CERTAIN ALTERNATIVES THERE. WHEN THEY. SO WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH SOME PROPOSALS THAT INCORPORATE THAT.

IS THAT WHAT'S GOING TO GO FORWARD OR. WELL THEIR CONCEPTS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE ANY OF THEM YOU CAN THROW THEM ALL OUT.

WE DIDN'T SPEND WE DIDN'T SPEND A TON OF MONEY WITH THEM FOR THIS WORK PRODUCT, THEY'RE CONCEPTS.

IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT AND START TO THROW DARTS AT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S INSTEAD OF LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT? WHAT DO YOU WANT IN A BLANK SLATE? WE NEEDED SOMETHING TO START WITH.

SO WE SAID, HERE'S FIVE IDEAS. HERE'S WHAT WE THINK THE RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES COULD BE.

LET'S START THERE. GOT IT. SHOULD THAT LITTLE BOX HAVE BEEN SPREAD OUT TO LANDWARD THEN, OR DOES THAT NOT REALLY MATTER? WELL, THAT THAT BOX IS IS YOUR DEMOLITION AREA.

THAT'S WHAT'S BEING REMOVED. AND I WANT TO I WANT TO APPLAUD THE COMMISSION HERE BECAUSE AT THE MOST RECENT VISIONING SESSION, THEY DID LOOK HEAVILY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU THAT COST MONEY, BUT NOT ALWAYS HOW WE PAY FOR IT. AND IT'S NO IT'S NO SURPRISE, BUT PAID PARKING AND, AND LOANS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS ONE OF THEIR PRIORITIES FOR THAT. SO I MEAN AS WE HAVE A WORKSHOP HERE IN A MONTH ON ON TO LOOK AT PAID PARKING AND THE REVENUE THAT COULD COME IN WITH THAT.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S YOU'RE LOOKING, AS SARAH MENTIONED, DIRECTLY LOOKING AT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS SO THAT WE CAN AFFORD TO TO PAY FOR THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE DOWN THERE QUICKLY. WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE? WHEN IS THIS PLAN WILL BE COMPLETE FOR PASSERO.

SO. SO THE CONCEPTS WE'RE HAVING OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME DRAFT DOCUMENTS HERE MID-APRIL.

I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THAT.

BUT I MEAN, THEY TOLD US THEY'D HAVE A FINISHED PRODUCT WITHIN LIKE 60 DAYS OR SO.

SO, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT FAR, I WOULD IMAGINE. I MEAN, DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 1ST OF MAY.

YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING. WELL, WE LACK INFORMATION TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION ANYHOW.

CORRECT. TO KIND OF PUSH IT. REALLY? RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. SO THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN REALLY DECIDE FROM THAT.

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THE IMPORTANT PART IS WHAT'S THE PROBABLE CAUSE? LET'S NOT JUST GO DREAM UP A THING HERE.

WHAT'S THE PROBABLE CAUSE FOR DEMOLITION AND THESE OTHER STRUCTURES? SO THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF EACH ONE OF THESE CONCEPTS IS WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? IS IT EVEN AFFORDABLE? LET'S NOT WASTE OUR TIME IF NOT. AND THEY'LL GIVE US THAT.

YES. OKAY, PERFECT. AND I REALLY THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO BRING IT BACK.

THE, THE BEST THING TO DO TONIGHT IS DETERMINE WHO IS GOING TO BE PART OF THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE, WHO, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO SERVE ON IT. AND AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO JENNY JUST RAISED HER PINKY. I'LL BE ON IT.

I'D LIKE TO BE ON IT. I'D LIKE TO BE ON IT. AND THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE ON IT. OH, I WAS GOING TO BE ON IT, BUT I'M GOING TO BACK OFF.

SO I'LL LET Y'ALL HAVE IT RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] SO, KELLY, YOU'RE YOU'RE OKAY.

I'LL LET THEM. SO DO WE NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING FOR THAT OR THERE'S CONSENSUS.

SO WE'RE OKAY? I DON'T THINK. OKAY. WELL, THAT WAS EASIER THAN EXPECTED.

WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO FIGHT. WE'RE LIKE, I'LL BE TO BLAME.

[LAUGHTER] YOU'LL BE TO BLAME. YOU'LL BE FINE.

ALL [INAUDIBLE] YES TO THAT.

ALL RIGHTY.

[7.1 N 2nd Street, Alachua to Calhoun, Streetscape Design Concept]

FOR NORTH SECOND STREET BETWEEN ALACHUA AND BROOME.

WE JUST WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW TO KIND OF SPEND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGNING THIS, THIS PART OF OUR STREETSCAPE. AS WE KNOW, THERE'S CURRENTLY PROJECTS UNDERWAY.

AND THAT AREA IS SEEING MORE AND MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND PARKING IS KIND OF A MESS RIGHT NOW.

THIS CONCEPT HERE SHOWS MAINTAINING TWO WAY TRAFFIC WITH ANGLED PARKING FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ON EITHER SIDE AND JUST KIND OF MAXIMIZING THE MOST AMOUNT OF SPACES YOU COULD FIT.

AS FAR AS THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS GO, NOT REALLY SAYING IS THIS WAY TOO MUCH PARKING.

DO WE NEED MORE GREEN SPACE? THIS IS JUST SIMPLY A SIMPLE LAYOUT SHOWING ANGLED PARKING WITH TWO WAY TRAFFIC, AND KIND OF WHAT I'D LIKE THE BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON ARE DO WE NEED TO FOCUS MORE ON MAXIMIZING PARKING, OR SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT EXTENDING THE STREETSCAPE THAT YOU HAVE BETWEEN CENTER AND ALACHUA STREET, THE BLOCK TO THE SOUTH WHERE IT'S ONE WAY TRAFFIC, ANGLED PARKING ON THE RIGHT.

PARALLEL PARKING ON THE LEFT ALLOWS YOU A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY LANDSCAPE WISE, AND THAT'S KIND OF JUST THE OVERALL GENERAL DISCUSSION FEEDBACK I WAS LOOKING TO HAVE FROM FROM THE BOARD. I WAS TOLD THAT THE.

TO DO IT THAT WAY. IS THAT IF THAT'S. I'M ECSTATIC ABOUT THIS.

I KNOW I WAS TOO, WHEN I FOUND OUT. ECSTATIC.

SO IT'S VERY IT'S TIGHT. SO IF YOU THINK OF CENTER STREET, YOU HAVE AN 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THERE WHERE YOU HAVE A 60 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY HERE.

THE ANGLED PARKING DOES AT 45 DEGREES, OR IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS THAN 45 DEGREES.

I MIMICKED WHAT THIS. YOU KNOW, THIS ANGLE IS HERE.

IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO, WHEN YOU ANGLE IT, REDUCE THE OVERALL WIDTH, AND STILL GET YOUR 20 TO 18FT AND A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE.

AND THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE SIDEWALK. NOW ON NORTH SECOND.

NO. SO THE SIDEWALK NOW AND THAT'S KIND OF THE CONVERSATION YOU FOCUS ON MAXIMIZING PARKING OR DO YOU REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE CONTINUING THAT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETSCAPE WITH THE 8.5FT WIDE SIDEWALKS.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LIMITED PARKING WITH YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO LIMIT PARKING THAT WAY, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE OF YOUR TRADITIONAL STREETSCAPE. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN PARKING SPOTS DOING IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? NOT YET. I HADN'T FINISHED DRAWING THAT BEFORE TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT I CERTAINLY DO THAT WHATEVER THE CONVERSATION IS TONIGHT.

JUST SO WE KNOW EXACTLY KIND OF WHAT THE ROUGH NUMBERS ARE EITHER WAY.

JAKE, TURN LEFT THERE JUST A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE. OKAY.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE MOVING ALONG WITH ALACHUA THERE.

AND THE GOAL IS TO AS SOON AS WE PAVE AS SOON AS WE PAVE ALACHUA HERE IN 2 OR 3 A COUPLE MONTHS, WE WANT TO FINISH PAVING SECOND STREET ON NORTH ALL THE WAY TO THE PORT, AND WE DON'T WANT TO JUST AS STREET'S BEEN ON OUR LIST FOR A LITTLE WHILE,

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AS YOU MOVE IT A LITTLE FURTHER ALONG, YOU CAN SEE YOU'VE GOT UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAY THERE ON THE LEFT. IT'S PRETTY BLIGHTED.

AND OF COURSE, RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF MR. POINTER'S PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

THE PROJECTS IS UNDERWAY. THAT AREA NEEDS TO BE DRESSED UP AND IMPROVED.

SO WHEN WE PAVE THAT, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO TAKE IN THE STREETSCAPE INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO YOU HAVE A NICE NEW OPENING THERE ON ALACHUA AND SECOND STREET ON DOWN TO THE PORT HAS BEEN REHABILITATED.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE INTENT IS TO DRIVE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SO WE CAN IMPROVE THAT ENTIRE AREA AND BE DONE.

SO LIKE NORTH THIRD, NORTH FOURTH BETWEEN ALACHUA AND.

BROOME ARE THOSE TWO WAY AREN'T THEY. TWO WAY.

YEAH THEY ARE. KIND OF FEELS LIKE IT SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THOSE.

YEAH. THE ONLY THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE THERE IS THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE CRA.

THE ZONING WHEN YOU GET TO THIRD AND FOURTH STREET IS RESIDENTIAL YOUR USES THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL OR.

THIS IS PRIMARILY A COMMERCIAL / MIXED USE CORRIDOR.

THAT WOULD BE YOUR ONLY DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD.

YOU HAVE. I WOULD OBVIOUSLY I'VE GOT AN OPINION HERE, BUT I WAS EXCITED, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE SIDEWALK WOULD HAVE BEEN SHRUNK. AND MY VISION IS FOR IT TO BE MORE OF A WALKING CORRIDOR THERE AND CONTINUE WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY UP AND DOWN SECOND STREET. I THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALL THE WAY UP NORTH.

SECOND. AND MY PLAN WAS TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SOME REALLY NICE TREES IN THERE, SOME BIG ONES.

AND WITH THAT TINY OF AND AND WHAT ABOUT WE HAVE A VARIANCE FOR THE IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. SORRY, I CAN'T THINK OF WORDS RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR DRIVEWAY CUTS ON ALACHUA.

NO. WELL, THAT TOO, BUT THEY ALLOWED US TO DO THE OVERHANG FARTHER THAN NORMAL OVER THE SIDEWALK.

SO MY CONCERN IS SHRINKING THIS LIKE WE'RE HITTING THE TOP OF THE.

YEAH. SO YOU HAVE AWNINGS THAT EXTEND BEYOND THE PROPERTY INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY? YES. TO COVER THE SIDEWALK. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE MORE THAN FIVE FEET.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER. I USED YOUR SITE PLAN TO DRAW IN, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSED WHERE YOUR DRIVEWAY WOULD FIT HERE.

THE SAME AS WE DID ON ALACHUA TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR APPROVED SITE PLAN.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S SHOWN HERE. YOUR YOUR PLAN HAD OR WHAT'S SHOWN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS IS PARALLEL SPACE. I THINK THERE'S FOUR HERE AND THEN IT'S GOT LANDSCAPING.

A SMALL STRIP BEHIND IT AND THEN ONLY A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE BLOCK.

YEAH. PEOPLE AND THEIR TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING ARE LIKE, COMING IN THIS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, AND IT JUST. YEAH. SO THESE ARE THIS IS DEFINITELY TIGHT.

WHAT YOU HAVE WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE ON CENTER STREET ARE WHEEL STOPS.

BUT AGAIN YOUR RIGHT OF WAY IS BIGGER. YOU'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE STALL SPACE AND THESE SPACES BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, YOU WOULD NEED A WHEEL STOP HERE, BUT YOU'RE STILL ABLE TO MAINTAIN AN 18 FOOT DIMENSION.

BUT SOME OF THOSE LONGER TRUCKS, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME ROOM, BUT THIS WOULD WORK. IT'S JUST A TIGHTER SCENARIO.

YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF ENVISIONING PEOPLE AND PLANTERS AND STUFF OUT THERE AND MAKING IT MORE OF A SIT OUTSIDE KIND OF A DEAL TOO. SO IT'S REALLY TIGHT. JACOB. THE RIGHT OF WAY THERE IS 60FT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE DISTANCE FROM WITH ANGLE PARKING, THE DISTANCE FROM THE CURB TO THE PAVEMENT IS 16FT. IT SHOULD BE 16FT. THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.

OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT 20FT OF STREET WIDTH. SO 16 AND 16 IS 32.

OH, IT'S THEY'RE DRAWN IN AS 15 WITH THE ANGLE THAT I'VE GOT THERE.

SO YOU HAVE 15, FIVE, 15, 20, 15 AND FIVE WHICH GIVES YOU YOUR 16FT.

OKAY. AND SO YOU'VE GOT BOTH SIDEWALKS INCLUDED IN THAT.

RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH I GUESS I MEAN, I WOULD FAVOR IN FRONT OF THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING THAT WOULD BE PARALLEL PARKING AND NOT ANGLE PARKING TO OPEN UP THAT SIDEWALK WIDER SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME STREET TREES AND PLANTERS,

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RIGHT. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE ANGLED PARKING NORTH OF IT, UP TO BROOME.

DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT MR. GOODSELL'S OPINION ABOUT THIS IS, OR IN TERMS OF THE REST OF IT, NOT IN FRONT OF THE [INAUDIBLE] MARINE, BUT GOING NORTH TO BROOME STREET? I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM ABOUT THIS.

WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK WITH THEM ABOUT IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A LITTLE STRANGE TO DO PARALLEL PARKING HERE, AND THEN JUMP BACK TO ANGLED PARKING IN FRONT OF MR. GOODSELL. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HE COULD POTENTIALLY NEED DRIVEWAY CUTS HERE IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE WERE DESIGNING THIS TO MAXIMIZE PARKING AND ALL THE FEATURES THAT WE WANT.

KNOWING THAT WHEN THAT PROPERTY OWNER GOES TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE STREETSCAPE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR DRIVEWAY CUTS.

AND THAT'S FINE. WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.

BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE WANT TO HAVE THIS IS MY OPINION AND HAVE TWO DIFFERENT STYLE PARKING SPACES HERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREETSCAPE. BUT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

THAT LOOKS I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PARALLEL ALL THE WAY DOWN.

BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, DOES IT HAVE TO TURN INTO A ONE WAY STREET THOUGH? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT THAT.

NO, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO TURN INTO ONE WAY. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. IF TO WIDEN THE SIDEWALK.

AND NOW IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO ONE WAY. YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BE LIMITING THE WEST SIDE TO SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC TO PARK IT CORRECTLY. BUT NO, IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE ONE WAY.

JUST JUST WANT TO REMIND WHY, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS WE'RE PRESENTING THIS DESIGN IS TO IMPROVE AND MAXIMIZE PARKING WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AND IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. SO I MEAN, IF YOU IF YOU GO TO PARALLEL ON BOTH SIDES, YOU LOSE THAT YOU'LL BE LOSING PARKING WITH WHAT'S THERE.

NOW IT'S UNIMPROVED, BUT YOU'LL LOSE THE DELINEATED PARKING THAT YOU HAVE THERE NOW. AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OR DO.

AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, PARKING IS IS PRIORITY.

IT'S A VALUE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE WOULD WANT NOT WANT TO SEE A REDUCTION IN PARKING.

SO I MEAN IF YOU WENT TO PARALLEL ON BOTH SIDES YOU WOULD LOSE THAT.

YES, YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR IMPROVE YOUR PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY, BUT YOU LOSE THE ABILITY TO PARK.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT STREETSCAPE PROVIDED FOR A WAY TO CONTINUE TO MAXIMIZE PARKING AND HAVE IMPROVED PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

SO, I MEAN, JUST JUST FOR CONSIDERATION. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE PARALLEL BOTH SIDES, BUT DEFINITELY THE WEST SIDE.

COULDN'T YOU SHRINK THE. JUST MAKE IT COMPACT CARS OR AVERAGE CARS INSTEAD OF TRUCKS? GOLF CART. THINKING COULD YOU COULD INCLUDE THE SIDEWALK WIRE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT.

PICK IT UP. DON'T KNOW. MIGHT NEED A CURB CUT ON 28 TOO.

I MEAN, I HAVE A PROBLEM GOING DOWN TO MY PLACE WHEN THEY GOT A BIG TRUCK PARKED WHERE IT TURNED ON FRONT STREET, HEADED SOUTH. THEY PARKED IN THAT NON STRIP AREA AND I CAN HARDLY GET BY.

SO IF WE MAKE THIS PARALLEL YOU CAN IN THEORY WIDEN YOUR SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES A LITTLE BIT.

SO. THERE'S REALLY NO BUSINESSES ON THE EAST SIDE EXCEPT ONE, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE.

BUT NEED ACCESS ANYWAY. JACOB, YOU SAID YOU WERE SORRY.

YOU SAID YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IF YOU HAVE PARALLEL PARKING IN FRONT OF THE STANDARD MARINE, BUT THEN ANGLED PARKING ALL THE WAY ON UP TO BROOME STREET NORTH OF THAT.

WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM? I MEAN, THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING IS A HISTORIC BUILDING, AND SO WE WANT TO TREAT IT WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESPECT. SECOND STREET SOUTH OF ALACHUA, GOING TO CENTER STREET IS PARALLEL PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. SO YOU'RE EXTENDING THAT PARALLEL PARKING UP AND JUMPING ACROSS ALACHUA STREET, GOING IN FRONT OF STANDARD MARINE. AND THEN THERE'S NO THERE'S NO REASON FOR PEOPLE TO NEED A REALLY WIDE SIDEWALK NORTH OF THAT. I MEAN, NOT RIGHT NOW, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT IS RIGHT.

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TRYING TO ENCOURAGE. I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THE NOT GIVING UP A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP WITH TREATING THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESPECT.

SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH IT HAVING THOSE TWO TYPES OF PARKING.

TO ME, THAT'S THE TRADE OFF. THAT'S THE BALANCE PARALLEL ON ONE SIDE, SLANTED ON THE OTHER, AND TWO WAY, TWO WAY BUSINESS OWNER DOWN THERE.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT KIND OF MEETS A LOT OF NEEDS? I THINK YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT TWO WAY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON FRONT STREET IS NOT DETERMINED YET, BUT YOU WILL WHEN YOU DO PARALLEL IN FRONT OF THE STANDARD MARINE AND ANGLED PARKING.

YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PARK IN IT HEADING NORTH.

THAT WOULD. YOU WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO PARK ON ALL THOSE SPACES ON THE WEST SIDE SOUTHBOUND.

COMING SOUTHBOUND? WELL NOT REALLY. I MEAN, EVERYBODY DOES IT ON CENTER STREET.

YEAH, BUT CENTER STREET AGAIN IS AN 80 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE'S MORE ROOM TO DO THAT. WHEN WE PUT ANGLED PARKING IN HERE ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ROOM UNLESS YOU'RE IN A GOLF CART TO DO THE CENTER STREET SWERVE.

ON CENTER STREET THE WIDTH OF THE STREET IS THE SAME AS THE WIDTH OF THE STREET THERE.

I MEAN, CLOSE. I MEAN, THE RIGHT OF WAY IS BIGGER, BUT THAT'S TAKEN UP BY THE SIDEWALKS.

BUT PEOPLE COME DOWN CENTER STREET. I DO IT ALL THE TIME.

I'VE SEEN MANY PEOPLE DO THAT. THEY THEY MAKE THAT ACUTE TURN INTO THE PARKING SPACE FROM THE OPPOSITE LANE.

I MEAN, PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT'S CRAZY, BUT THEY DO.

IT'S A TRADE OFF. I MEAN, WELL, CENTER STREET'S WIDER.

IT IS. THE STREET IS WIDER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE THERE.

SO WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF CENTER STREET? 25 PAVEMENT, 25FT.

SO IT'S 12 FOOT LANES. 25 OR 26FT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THE VISION IS TO HAVE COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY DOWN ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH SIDE.

OKAY, THEN. AND MAKE IT MORE WALKABLE. TO ME, THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO HAVE PARALLEL PARKING THEN ON THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE, ANGLED PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE. AND YES, SO BE IT.

WE'LL LOSE SOME PARKING SPACES. BUT YEAH. SO THIS THE LAYOUT AS SHOWN AGAIN, THIS IS REAL ROUGH NEEDS TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OTHER THINGS. BUT THIS IS SHOWING, YOU KNOW, 48 SPACES.

YOUR BLOCK IS 400FT LONG. THROW IN A COUPLE DRIVEWAY CUTS.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BETWEEN 15 AND 20 SPACES ON THIS SIDE.

AND WHAT YOU HAVE OVER HERE, WE CAN LOOK AT MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS HERE.

YOU HAVE SOME TOPOGRAPHY AND SOME STORMWATER ISSUES HERE.

THAT WE COULD PROBABLY ADJUST TO PICK UP A COUPLE MORE SPACES.

THIS IS YOUR PARKING LOT AT BROOME STREET. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TOO MANY MORE OVER HERE, BUT I'LL DRAW. I'LL DRAW IT UP WITH BOTH, AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE PARKING NUMBERS AND HAVE MORE, MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT SHOULD WE BE DOING BROOME AT THE SAME TIME, SINCE IT'S THE ONLY SPOT LEFT TO NOT THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BROOME LIKE REDESIGNING ALL THE PARKING ALONG BROOME BECAUSE THAT WAS JUST GRAVEL IS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPROVING BROOME. SO THE CITY WENT IN AND DID THIS WORK.

DID YOU SEE HERE AND PUT IN THE MILLINGS FIXED THIS ARTESIAN WELL OR WHATEVER THAT WAS.

AND BUT THERE ARE THERE IS DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T THINK HE'S GOT HIS FULL TRC APPROVAL, BUT HE DOES HAVE PLANS FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE. WE COULD SKETCH IN TO SEE IF WE CAN WANT TO FORMALIZE THIS ANYMORE.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO DOWN THE ROAD, OR AT THE SAME TIME WE MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO SECOND STREET.

IS HE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAVING THAT OR IS THE CITY BROOME? I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER CONVERSATIONS, SO I GUESS WE KIND OF NEED TO KNOW THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO EVEN LOOK AT THE PARKING SITUATION, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF PARKING RIGHT THERE.

THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK JENNY IS RIGHT. IT'S REASONABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THREE CORRIDOR TO SEE IF WE CAN. YEAH, THAT AREA IS HAS ALREADY HAD THIS WORK DONE.

OKAY. SO I MEAN IT IS A FORMALIZED PARKING AREA.

IT'S JUST NOT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE STREETSCAPE.

WELL IT'S JUST GRAVEL SO. RIGHT. IF WE'RE IMPROVING ALL OF THAT, IT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'D BE DOING IT ALL AGAIN.

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HOW ABOUT S STREETSCAPING THE BROOME STREET POURS INTO AND EVERYTHING, LIKE MAKES SENSE.

PAVED PARKING. IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE PARKING SPOTS.

YEAH. SO WHAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE IS THAT THERE ARE WHEEL STOPS HERE THAT HELP BETTER DELINEATE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS PUBLIC PARKING.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO INSTEAD OF ASPHALT MILLINGS AT THE END OF THE STREET ACTUALLY PAVING CURB AND SIDEWALK, MAKING IT A FORMAL STREETSCAPE, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT WOULD BE SPEAKING TO THE INTENT OF THE CRA PLAN FROM A STREETSCAPE PERSPECTIVE.

YEAH, JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT. BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN.

WE DID THAT LAST YEAR. WE IMPROVED, FILLED IN THAT LOW AREA, AND WE ADDED ABOUT 15, 16 PARKING SPACES ALL THE WAY DOWN.

YOU SEE THAT WET AREA THERE? WE HAD A LOT OF RAINFALL THERE LAST YEAR. BUT ONCE THAT DRIED UP THAT THAT PARKING, IT'S PERPENDICULAR. IT IS. YEAH. PERPENDICULAR RUNS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT SECOND.

WELL ONE, TWO THAT THIRD UTILITY POLE DOWN THERE.

SO I MEAN WE'VE BEEN TRYING REALLY HARD TO GET EVERY PARKING AREA WHERE WE CAN. WE REALLY HATE TO TO GIVE IT UP, BUT WHENEVER THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY NOT TO.

IS THERE ANY ROOM ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROOME STREET WHERE THE VEGETATION IS NOW IN THE RIGHT OF WAY? OR IS IT. GOOD QUESTION. YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE MORE PARKING TO KIND OF HELP OUT.

A COUPLE SPACES HERE. PUT A COUPLE THERE. SO I HAVE A QUESTION GOING BACK TO SECOND STREET IN FRONT OF GOODSELL'S PROPERTY.

WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL NORTH OF THE STANDARD MARINE BUILDING OR COMMERCIAL.

IF IT WAS RESIDENTIAL, WOULD YOU OBJECT TO HAVING ANGLED PARKING? I'M NOT OBJECTING OR TO ANY OF IT, BUT THAT IS AN UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW.

THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR THE WIDEST RANGE OF USES THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE FROM A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

I THINK, AGAIN, TO JENNY'S POINT, THE INTENT WITH THE CRA AND THE C3 ZONING IS A MIXTURE OF USES TO ENCOURAGE THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HIGHER VALUE ON THE TAX ROLLS AND INCREASES THE PEDESTRIAN USE OF THAT AREA.

BUT THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT IT WOULD. WHAT DEVELOPMENT? JENNY COULD SPEAK. WELL, YOU KNOW, MUCH BETTER PROPOSED USES OR WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY. I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD HAVE REAR LOADING PARKING WITH A GARAGE IF IT WENT THAT WAY.

HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T MY OPINION, BUT THAT IT WOULD STILL BE PARALLEL LIKE THESE OTHER TOWNHOMES BEHIND US IN FRONT OF IT.

OR IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL FRONTING THE STREET AND GARAGES BEHIND.

RIGHT? YEAH. IS THAT INTERESTING? OKAY. YEAH.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS WOULD BE LESS THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS COMMERCIAL.

I MEAN, I GUESS I'M KIND OF WONDERING ABOUT IT BEING COMMERCIAL ALL THE WAY UP TO BROOME STREET.

I THINK THAT'S LESS LIKELY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD DO? JAKE ENTERTAIN ME FOR A REAL QUICK GO TO THE NORTH SEVENTH AT CENTER.

EXCUSE ME. SOUTH OF THE CENTER. I THINK WE HAVE A BLOCK THERE WHERE WE RUN PARALLEL FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE GO TO ANGLE. JUST WANT TO SEE. MAYBE IT'S SIX, 6 OR 7.

YOU'RE. WELL, RECENTLY ON SEVENTH STREET. THESE IMPROVEMENTS AREN'T GOING TO BE SHOWN HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE PARALLEL SPACES ON THE EAST SIDE OF SEVENTH.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS DRIVEWAY CUT. WE DO HAVE ANGLED PARKING HERE.

THAT WAS MAINLY DRIVEN DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS WITH THE PROPERTY HERE.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IN THIS BLOCK YOU DO HAVE PARALLEL ON ONE STRETCH AND ANGLED IN AND CROSSOVER CENTER STREET AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE.

LET'S SEE. OKAY. IT STAYS CONSISTENT. MAYBE IT'S SIXTH STREET.

I WOULD NOT DO ANGLED PARKING UNLESS IT WAS A ONE WAY STREET.

OTHERWISE, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT BUS TO COME BACK.

AND THAT'S JUST A REALLY AWKWARD THING. AND MAKING IT ONE WAY.

I'M SURE WE'D HAVE A LOT OF PITCHFORKS IN HERE AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH, AND IT EXTENDS THE STREETSCAPE THAT'S VERY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE SIDE STREETS ELSEWHERE.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT YOUR PARALLEL SPACE WITH THE ANGLED PARKING.

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AND THE CITY'S PREFERENCES THESE DAYS ARE NOT TO HAVE PERPENDICULAR PARKING ALONG THOSE KINDS OF STREETS.

CORRECT. EITHER ANGLE OR PARALLEL PARKING. RIGHT.

I KNOW THAT TRUCKS TOUCHING PERPENDICULAR IS NOT IDEAL.

I MEAN, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET INTO, BUT ONCE AGAIN, A PRIORITY IS PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN.

SO I MEAN, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HAVE EXISTING PERPENDICULAR, IT'S A TIGHT YOU CAN GET A LOT YOU CAN MAXIMIZE PARKING WITH.

THERE'S NO THERE'S PERPENDICULAR GIVES YOU THE MOST PARKING POSSIBLE.

ONCE YOU START GOING ANGLED OR PARALLEL YOU LOSE THE NUMBER OF SPACES.

SO YEAH PERPENDICULAR IS NOT IDEAL BUT PARK AVAILABLE PARKING IS.

SO IT'S A WE'RE IN A JUX POSITION THERE. IT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN PARKING LOT A AND B.

YEAH. SEEMS A LOT EASIER TO GET OUT OF YOUR REVERSING IF IT'S ANGLED.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. IT IS. IT'S EASIER TO USE. I ANTICIPATE RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL THERE BEING REAR LOADING EXTRA PARKING ALONG THAT ROAD AS WELL. SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYBODY WHO WORKS THERE OR LIVES THERE IS ALL GOING TO PARK ON THAT STREET.

THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PARKING. IT WOULD JUST MAKE SENSE TO BE ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE BACK, TOO. YEAH, SURE. WHICH WILL HELP. RIGHT. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY ON FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY NIGHT AND BUSY TIMES DURING PEAK PARKING SHORTAGE.

ALONG SECOND STREET IS FILLED UP WITH PEOPLE PARKING FOR GOING DOWNTOWN.

OH, YES. SO IT'S CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR DRAWING SO WE CAN SEE THE HOW MUCH PARKING YOU LOSE BY GOING TO PARALLEL PARKING FOR THE WHOLE THING.

OKAY. SO. YEAH. MAKING IT PARALLEL PARKING WOULD BE YOU'D LOSE A LOT OF SPACES, BUT WE'D ALSO HAVE TO GO TO ONE WAY. YES.

OR PARALLEL PARKING. RIGHT. SAME PROBLEM. SO I MEAN, THAT'S A PLACE WHERE PERPENDICULAR PARKING WOULD ALLOW THE TRAFFIC FLOW TO BE CORRECT, AND YOU COULD KEEP A TWO WAY STREET IF THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM.

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? IT MIGHT DEPEND UPON THE ANGLE OF THE LIKE ANGLE, SO NEVER MIND.

NOT YOU. I'M JUST KIDDING. [LAUGHTER] WHEN YOU GET.

WHEN YOU GET MY AGE YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY. YOU JUST PARALLEL YOU CANNOT DO TWO WAY.

IS THAT WHAT YOU. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW? IF IT WAS PARALLEL PARKING, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO WAY.

BUT YOU CAN'T DO PARALLEL ON ONE SIDE. NOT TWO WAY.

SO YEAH, IT COULD BE PARALLEL ON ONE SIDE, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A TWO WAY STREET.

THE PROBLEM IS, IF IT'S PARALLEL PARKING, THE THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT IS TO COME FROM THE NORTH.

YEAH. IF IT'S PERPENDICULAR PARKING, YOU CAN COME FROM EITHER DIRECTION.

YEAH. BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S PERPENDICULAR PARKING, WHETHER THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM WITH SIDE BY SIDE WALKING TO SEE JUST HOW IT'D BE THE SAME AS. YEAH. RIGHT HERE.

YOU KNOW ALREADY. YEAH. WHICH THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE PARKING ON NORTH SECOND.

RIGHT HERE ON THE LEFT ON THE WEST SIDE. IT'S ONLY ANGLED ON THE EAST SIDE.

RIGHT. ACTUALLY, I TAKE IT BACK. NO. YOU'RE RIGHT.

CAUSE I JUST PARKED THERE. NEVER MIND. YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT.

PARALLEL ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. I JUST NOTICED THAT ONE GOLF CART SPOT IS MISSING.

DANG IT. I LOVE PARKING THERE, TOO, BECAUSE I DIDN'T PARK IT IN A GOLF CART.

YEAH. I MEAN, ALL OF SECOND STREET IS CURRENTLY PARALLEL ON THE WEST SIDE AND ANGLE PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO YOU'D BE CONTINUING THAT. YOU JUST GIVE UP A LOT OF PARKING SPACES.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT COMING BACK WITH THAT OPTION PARALLEL ON THE WEST SIDE.

AND THEN WE CAN COMPARE PARKING SPACES AND AND GO FROM THERE.

I LIKE IT. THERE IS NO AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD MAKE ME WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THAT SIDEWALK, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. RIGHT. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU DON'T WANT TO STOP FOOT TRAFFIC.

WE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THIS THIS BOARD RECOMMENDED IN OUR PARKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION THAT WE WOULD WORK TO MAXIMIZE PARKING. SO IT HAS TO BE A CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW,

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AND THEN WHAT WOULD IT BE RIGHT NOW? WELL, IT'S C-3-2 AND A ZERO LOT LINE.

AND THEY WILL BUILD TO THAT LOT LINE. AND YOU GET THIS ONE TRUCK AND NOW WE'VE GOT NO ONE.

NO NO PRETTY PLANTS. SKINNY SIDEWALK. YOU'VE GOT THE TRUCK HITCH POKING IN ANOTHER TWO FEET.

NOW THE HANDICAPPED PERSON CAN'T GET AROUND. I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU ARE ELIMINATING HALF OF THAT SIDEWALK RIGHT THERE AND SOMEBODY'S FRONT OR BACK AND IN. NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE THE CHAIRS ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK, WHICH I'M SURE THEY HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT ONE. AND THE ALL THE PLANTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU CAN'T FIT.

RIGHT. THAT LOOKS LIKE MAIN STREET APPROVED THAT.

I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THERE ANYMORE. I THINK THEY'VE GOT ACTUAL REAL BENCHES NOW.

NO TRASH CANS. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SEE A COUPLE OPTIONS LAID OUT PARKING SPACES, WHETHER YOU DO SOME PARALLEL AND THEN YOU GET A LITTLE FURTHER AND YOU HAVE THE ANGLED ON THE SECOND HALF.

IF THAT LOOKS RIGHT ONCE YOU GET PAST STANDARD MARINE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION. WE DON'T NEED DECISION TONIGHT.

WE'LL BRING YOU BACK MORE INFORMATION SO WE CAN LOOK AND MAKE A BETTER DECISION WHEN WE HAVE THE OTHER CHOICES IN FRONT OF US.

BUT 2 OR 3 MONTHS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAND OUR CONTRACTORS A PLAN THAT SAYS, HEY, GO PAY HIM AND PUT THESE SIDEWALKS DOWN.

LET'S GET IT DONE. CAN WE INCLUDE. SO NO PRESSURE.

DID WE? CAN WE FIND OUT WHO CAN TELL US IF POINTER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPROVING BROOME STREET? WE'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT. OKAY, IF SO I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME PLANNING PARKING.

IF HE'S IN CHARGE OF ALL THAT AND BOTH SIDES OF BROOME STREET.

WE HAD TO PAY FOR F RONT STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MY PLACE FROM ASH STREET TO FRONT STREET.

SO I THINK IT'S UNFAIR MYSELF. AND A CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS HOW FAR DO WE TAKE BROOME STREET? BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET CLOSE TO THE RAILROAD, IT'S A WHOLE NEW LAYER OF COMPLEXITY.

AS YOU AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM JUST WHAT WE'VE DONE AT ALACHUA.

SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON HOW FAR WE WOULD TAKE THAT.

AND I MEAN, THERE'S A THERE'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT. THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN JUST SOMEONE'S BUILDING A NEW SUBDIVISION.

AND WHO PAYS FOR THE ROADS TO FOR THAT NEW SUBDIVISION? IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT WE'LL WE'LL DIVE INTO THAT AND GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.

FEEL LIKE THAT'S CRA. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WELL, IT SHOULD BE. IT'S A PUBLIC PRIVATE.

EVERYBODY'S USING IT. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

YEAH. WHETHER YOU GOT A BUSINESS OR NOT. YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PARKING? YEAH. SO, I MEAN, IT SHOULD BE THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO PAY IT.

YEAH, THERE'S PUT IN WHATEVER PARKING SPACES THEY THINK'S DOABLE.

THEY'RE GETTING CRA MONEY EVENTUALLY AND THE HUGE IMPACT FEES. WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE OTHER END PAST YOUR PLACE TO, MAYBE THEY MIGHT ELECT TO DO A SETBACK AND NOT BUILD TO THE LOT LINE.

THEY'RE NOT THAT BIG LOT. YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, YOU COULD GET CREATIVE.

THE CITY COULD REQUIRE THAT. I MEAN, THAT BECAME A REQUIREMENT ON EIGHTH STREET.

THERE'S A SIX FOOT SETBACK FROM THE STREET ON EIGHTH STREET.

NOW, WHERE THE OLD RENTAL PLACE USED TO BE. THOSE HOUSES, APARTMENTS THEY BUILT FROM LIME TO FROM LIME STREET TO ATLANTIC AVENUE.

I'VE TRIED SELLING THAT PROPERTY, THE VACANT LAND, AND IT REALLY DID HURT THE VALUE LIKE IT ATE INTO THE PROPERTY.

THEY WANTED TO BUILD OUT TO THE SUCH A SMALL LOT.

YEAH. AND THERE'S A REAR SETBACK THERE, TOO. TO 15FT.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 15 FOOT PART, BUT I DO KNOW ABOUT THE SIX FOOT IN THE FRONT.

IT WAS FOR LANDSCAPING. IT'S STILL FOR SALE. RIGHT ON BOARD BUSINESS.

[8. BOARD BUSINESS]

I'M NOT GOING TO BE A NEW CHAIR. I'M JUST TEMPORARY HERE TODAY.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? OH, WELL, JUST JUST JUST A JOB.

JUST AN IDEA. WHY DON'T WE KIND OF ROTATE? AND IF SOMEBODY DOES, YOU KNOW, ONE MONTH, THE OTHER ONE DO IT ANOTHER MONTH.

[01:00:03]

CAN YOU EVEN DO THAT? YOU NEED TO NAME A CHAIR.

SO I MEAN YOU. WELL, BEYOND THAT, YOU. THREE MONTHS.

WHATEVER YOU WANT. BUT THREE MONTHS. BUT YOU NEED TO NAME. [INAUDIBLE] YOUR ELDERS.

MR. ROLAND. I THINK DAVID'S DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB.

I AGREE. YOU PRETTY MUCH ARE ALREADY DOING IT. YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT, THOUGH.

HOW LONG BEFORE A REPLACEMENT IS ON THE BOARD? MAYBE THE NEW REPLACEMENT. OH, WE GOT TWO. WE GOT TWO PEOPLE.

THERE'S TWO. YEAH, THERE'S TWO VACANCIES. WE LOST.

THERE'S ONE THAT HAS A THAT. WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION THAT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE CITY COMMISSION ON MARCH 18TH.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE OBVIOUSLY JUST OPENED TODAY.

SO CAN WE ASK WHO IT IS? ARIEL MARYNELL. OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S ONLY A MEETING OR TWO BEFORE WE'RE BACK TO FULL STAFF, AND WE CAN CHOOSE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU CAN. UNTIL THEN, THAT'S. DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE TODAY? NO, I'LL TAKE IT. I'LL DO IT. ALL RIGHT. BUT DON'T GET USED TO IT.

THEN WE ALSO NEED A VICE CHAIR IF DAVID IS MOVING UP, WE'LL NEED A VICE CHAIR THAT WAS JENNY SAYING, YES, I'M ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. I'M FULLY TAKEN.

SO MIGHT AS WELL DO IT. KELLY, YOU CAN DO IT.

KELLY, YOU'RE NOT EVEN ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. YOU SHOULD DO IT.

[INAUDIBLE] THIS IS OUR ARCHITECT. I'VE BEEN CHAIRS BEFORE, AND I'VE DONE MY BIT.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. WE CAN JUST BANG THE GAVEL LIKE THAT.

JUST GET IT. KELLY, YOU WANT TO DO IT? WOW. IT'S SO COOL, THOUGH.

I KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE TALKING YOURSELF INTO IT.

I'M ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. YEAH, WELL, MAYBE I'LL DO AD HOC FOR TWO MONTHS.

AND THEN YOU DO VICE CHAIR I GOT TO PREPARE FOR THAT.

TAKE YOUR PLACE. HOW ABOUT KELLY? KELLY, CAN THE VICE CHAIR BE ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AS WELL? YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. SURE. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK SO. WE JUST NEED SOMEONE IN THAT SEAT IN CASE THE CHAIR ISN'T ABLE TO ATTEND A MEETING OR SOMETHING.

SO THAT'S ALL. JENNY'S GOING TO DO IT. SO I THOUGHT KELLY JUST VOLUNTEERED.

SHE GOT VOTED. SHE WOULDN'T INVOLVE SOMEBODY ELSE.

SO. LORD HAVE MERCY. SO IS THAT A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? KELLY, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR JENNY? SHE DID. CAN YOU DO IT FOR? BOTH. YES. OKAY. RIGHT.

YOU'RE GOING TO SAY MY LAST NAME. YOU GOT TO KNOW IT.

WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE TO VOTE. DAVID IS SECOND ON THAT MOTION.

THAT'S WHAT MR. ROLAND'S SECONDED. OKAY. TO HAVE MISS SCHAFFER AS VICE CHAIR ONLY.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? YEAH. AND THEN THE SAME SOUND LIKE AYE.

THAT WOULD BE WEIRD. THAT GOT WEIRD. THAT WOULD BE WEIRD.

YEAH. TO BE CLEAR, SINCE MR. COOK'S HAS SERVED AS THE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WE NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR THAT, AND THEN WE CAN RECONSIDER ONCE WE HAVE THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR ONLY TWO MORE MEETINGS.

SO MOVED. MOTION BY MR. ROLAND. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. BARTELT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU ALL.

HEY, EVERYBODY'S HAVING FUN. CHAIR ARE YOU GOING TO GAVEL THIS MEETING OVER? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT ABOUT?

[9.1 City Commission Visioning Session Recap]

THE CITY COMMISSION 'S VISIONING SESSION. YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE PRIORITIZED AND DIVIDED INTO BOTH CAPITAL GOALS AND OPERATIONAL GOALS.

I JUST THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD THING FOR YOU.

YOU KNOW, EACH OF YOU TO HAVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE A LOT OF THEM OR SEVERAL OF THEM TOUCH WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE.

SO OF COURSE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, AS WE SAID, BRETT'S AND BUT, YOU KNOW, THE SEAWALL IS ON THERE IN TWO DIFFERENT FORMATS AND THEN EVEN DOWN DOWN BELOW, AS JEREMIAH WAS MENTIONING, THE PAID PARKING, WHICH WOULD BE A REVENUE STREAM TO PAY FOR SOME OF THIS.

SO SO WE WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE FLOW CHART THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE HAD

[9.2 COFB Project Flow Chart - DRAFT for discussion]

[01:05:07]

SO THERE'S A FRONT AND A BACK AND AGAIN, JUST TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF IT SEEMS TO FIT WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND WHAT THAT FLOW MIGHT BE. SO OPEN TO DISCUSSION, INPUT, COMMENTS, CHANGES THE AIR ON THE SECOND PAGE DOWN THE ARROW FROM REVISIONS AND RESUBMISSION. IS THAT JUST GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM OH SORRY.

YEAH. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE AN ARROW ON THAT END.

YOU SHOULD JUST GO THIS WAY. YEAH. IT JUST GOES THE ONE WAY I LOVE THIS.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. SURE. SO WILL WE JUST TAKE SEPARATE OUT ALL THE DIVISIONS AND JUST HAVE A FLOW CHART FOR EACH ONE, OR ARE WE GOING TO GET IT RIGHT? I THINK WE WOULD PULL THIS OUT WHEN WE GET TO A PROJECT LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN SAY THIS NORTH SECOND STREET, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WE WOULD USE IT THERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TASKED THIS GROUP HAS BEEN TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE THE CONCEPT AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. WHO ELSE DOES IT TOUCH? WHERE ELSE DOES IT NEED TO GO? AND WE WOULD USE THIS AS THE GUIDE FOR THAT SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARDS THAT IT IMPACTS ARE GETTING A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, GET ALL THE WAY TO FINAL APPROVAL, HOPEFULLY HEAD OFF SOME OF THE NEGATIVE, YOU KNOW, THE NEGATIVE FEELINGS AND COMMENTS ABOUT ABOUT THE PLANS GOING FORWARD. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? OH, YEAH.

THE OTHER THING BEFORE GOING TO THAT, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION GOALS? SURE. VISIONING. I JUST HAD KIND OF A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THAT UNDER THE CAPITAL GOALS WHAT ARE CRA PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. NOW, THAT WAS THE IT WAS REALLY A COMBINATION OR A CONVERSATION, I THINK AMONG THEM ABOUT LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THIS, THE OLD MARLIN AND BARREL BUILDING THAT'S OVER HERE ON SECOND AND, YOU KNOW, EXPLORING SOME MORE IDEAS LIKE THAT. IF I RECALL, OR IS THAT ABOUT ACCURATE ON WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS? OKAY. YEAH. I GUESS THE OTHER THING THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME ON THIS IS THAT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST.

RIGHT. GOT NO VOTES WITH NO VOTES. I MEAN, I WAS AT THE MEETING.

WAS IT EVEN DISCUSSED? SO THE SCORING WAS DONE THROUGH A WEIGHTED SCORE AND EVERYONE HAD FIVE.

EVERY COMMISSIONER HAD FIVE VOTES. SO YOU COULD SEE THEY JUST IT MADE THE LIST OF GOALS.

IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT ONE. IT'S JUST IT DIDN'T MAKE THE TOP FIVE FOR US TO FOCUS ON FOR THIS YEAR.

YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WITH THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE IN A GIVEN CALENDAR YEAR.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S THERE AND IT'S STILL HAPPENING.

WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO IT NEEDS TO MOVE FOR THE SEAWALL THAT'S GOING TO GO IN ITS PLACE FOR THE THE FINAL COMPLETION OF THE WATERFRONT PARK.

BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS THE RANKING IT DIDN'T GET A SCORE, BUT IT DID MAKE THE LIST.

AND TO AND TO LISA'S POINT, WHILE THAT BUILDING WASN'T MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, I MEAN, BRETT'S COMES TO MIND. OF COURSE, THAT BUILDING COMES TO MIND JUST AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE CRA THROUGH THROUGH EXPLORING THOSE AVENUES.

SO THAT'S WHY IT MADE THE MADE THE LIST, DIDN'T GET A LOT OF VOTES YOU KNOW, DIDN'T GET A LOT OF POINTS.

I THINK IT WAS ABOUT FOUR POINTS THERE, BUT THAT IT IS WHY IT MADE THE LIST.

GOT IT. THE ONLY OTHER THING ON THE AGENDA IS THIS PROPERTY MATRIX THAT

[9.3 CRA Property Matrix]

[01:10:04]

THE BOTTOM HALF INCLUDES THE THE PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING ON IN THE CRA.

SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE KIMLEY-HORN SEAWALL DESIGN.

ALACHUA RAILROAD SAFETY. SO THAT'S PART OF THE ASH AND CENTER STREET IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE DONE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, ALONG WITH ALACHUA STREET. OBVIOUSLY THE ALACHUA STREET CROSSING AND STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE WATERFRONT PARK, WHICH WILL START SEEING CONSTRUCTION DOWN THERE HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

WE HAD A GROUNDBREAKING ON FRIDAY. AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, AREA SIX DRAINAGE, WHICH IS A MAJOR STORMWATER UPGRADE TO THIS SYSTEM HERE ON ASH STREET. IT'S GOING TO GO OUT TO BID HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'LL BE A MAJOR PROJECT IN THE COMING IN THE SHORT TERM DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, OBVIOUSLY. COMMISSION IS WORKING ON THAT FINDING A FUNDING SOURCE, LAND, SEAFOOD, THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, WHICH WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO FPU AND THEIR CONTRACTORS.

THE FINAL TWO POLES ON FRONT STREET SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

SO YOU SEE THOSE GO AWAY. AND THE ALONG WITH THE HEATING ON FRONT STREET AND THEN THE MARINA DREDGING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IN THE SOUTHERN BASIN.

SO THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU A RECAP OF ALL THE PUBLIC PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

AND THIS IS JUST TO INFORMATIONAL MATRIX. BUT IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THE WAY TO MAKE IT BETTER.

OTHERWISE THAT'S ALL ALL WE'VE GOT ON BOARD TONIGHT.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. I DON'T SEE THE POINTER PROPERTY ON BROOME STREET.

IT IS ON HERE. THE PAVILION IS ON THERE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT.

I KNOW IT'S ON HERE. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE A NORTH FRONT STREET ADDRESS OR SOMETHING.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT'S WEIRD. IT'S GOT A 231 NORTH FRONT STREET ADDRESS.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH. AND ALL THIS.

THE UPDATED CASES ALL THE WAY. I DON'T BELIEVE HE'S GOT HIS TRC OR HTC APPROVAL.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS AT THIS LEVEL, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

WE DON'T EXPECT TO OPEN A ALACHUA A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS, TEN YEARS AGO. CHAIR.

OH, NO. WE'RE STILL WE'RE WE'RE STILL ON ON TARGET FOR APRIL TIME FRAME.

END OF APRIL. END OF APRIL. YEAH. OPEN IT UP.

UNLESS WE. YEAH. THAT'S A GOAL UNLESS WE GET A CURVE BALL FROM THE RAILROAD OR PAVING CONTRACTOR.

WE'RE STILL SHOOTING FOR END OF APRIL. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT FRONT STREET, WHERE, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WAS THIS MUCH HIGHER THAN FRONT STREET? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? THAT'S WHY. THAT'S WHY THAT SECTION OF FRONT STREET IS NOT PAVED RIGHT THERE WHERE THE ALACHUA OPENING.

BECAUSE YOU'LL DO A BUILD UP OF THAT. YEAH. JUST A SLOW RISE OVER.

RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A RAMP UP TO THE TRACKS.

I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE THAT EVERYWHERE. YOU KNOW, ASH STREET RIGHT HERE, YOU HAVE IT AS WELL, BUT IT WON'T BE AS BAD THROUGH A BUILD UP ON EITHER SIDE OF ALACHUA. RAISE, YOU KNOW, INCREASE YOUR ASPHALT HEIGHT SO THAT IT'S NOT AS MUCH OF A A RAMP GETTING OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. YEAH, I WAS WONDERING, JUST WONDERING HOW Y'ALL WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

I DIDN'T CARE. SO I'LL JUST SHARE MINE. IF WE WANT TO MAKE BROOME STREET A CROSSOVER, WE SHOULD START NOW AND BE DONE IN 50 YEARS.

OH, YEAH. LET'S START TALKING ABOUT IT NOW. YEAH.

OR AT LEAST A PEDESTRIAN WALK OVER. IS THAT EVERYTHING? THAT'S IT. JAKE. LISA, I GOT ONE THING I WANT TO BRING UP.

OH. GO AHEAD. AND I WANT TO SHOW MR. COOK SHARED A PICTURE OF OUR WATERFRONT.

A VERY INTERESTING PHOTO THAT I THOUGHT WAS WORTH SHARING HERE.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY RAINIER AT THE SOUTH AND OLD PHOSPHATE FACILITY HERE.

MR. COOK'S PROPERTY HERE. YOU'LL SEE THE RAILROAD THAT EXTENDED ACROSS THE MARSH.

THIS IS PARKING LOT D RIGHT HERE. THIS IS PARKING LOT C AND D, WHERE YOU'RE ABOUT TO HAVE YOUR NEW WATERFRONT PARK.

[01:15:03]

THIS BUILDING HERE, THIS IS THE SOUTHERN TERMINUS OR YOUR WESTERN TERMINUS OF CENTER STREET.

SO YOU'LL SEE THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE THAT I'M CIRCLING.

IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE? OH, WOW. SO IT REALLY GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE? THIS IS THE SIMMONS O'STEEN PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE HERE.

SO THIS IS, I BELIEVE THE 40S. YEAH, 40. AND THEN YOU GET DOWN INTO THE 60S WHERE YOU SEE THAT STRUCTURE'S GONE AWAY. YOU STILL HAVE PARKING LOT A O'STEEN SIMMONS PROPERTY HERE, THE MARINE WELCOME CENTER.

THIS IS THE FOUNDATION, THIS GRIT, THIS FOUNDATION.

HERE IS WHAT YOU HAVE UNDER BRETT'S. YOU ALSO NOTICE HERE PARKING LOT A SO BRETT'S IS SITTING RIGHT HERE.

TP THIS IS PARKING LOT A. LOOK AT THAT'S MARSH.

THE RAILROAD TRACKS ARE RIGHT THERE. AND YOU GET TO THE 60S AND YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHERE THEY FILLED THAT IN.

THIS IS YOUR CURRENT BULKHEAD THERE. OH, WOW.

SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THIS AREA HERE WAS FILLED IN.

JUST COOL PERSPECTIVES OF THE WATERFRONT AND THE TEEPEE.

THAT'S BEEN A CONVERSATION. DISCUSSION WITH OBVIOUSLY, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE ABOUT BRETT'S.

SO THANK YOU, MR. COOK, AS ALWAYS, FOR PROVIDING ALL THOSE HISTORICAL REFERENCES, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS AMAZING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE ACTIVITY AND LITERALLY RIGHT AT THE THIS IS BEACH STREET THAT CROSSES THE TRACKS HERE.

AND HERE'S WHERE YOUR PAVILION AND WATERFRONT PARK'S GOING, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE MARSH AND THE TRACKS CAME ALL THE WAY UP INTO THIS AREA. REALLY COOL PHOTO. SO DID THE RAILROAD TRACKS KEEP GOING UP TO THE NORTH? THEY DID. AT ONE POINT, THE RAILROAD TRACKS WERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF FRONT STREET.

YOU PULL UP AT 40 WITH THE LONG BUILDING ON IT.

THAT OTHER. SIDE? YEAH. YOU LOOK. YOU SEE, THE RAILROAD TRACKS WERE ON THE WEST SIDE.

SO RIGHT HERE, FRONT STREET. THEY CROSSED THE TRACK, CROSSED FRONT STREET, AND THERE ARE HISTORICAL SANBORN MAPS, BECAUSE THE LATERAL STREET YOU DON'T SEE HERE.

BUT IN THE ALACHUA STREET AREA, THE TRACKS GO BACK OUT OVER THE WATER AND YOU HAVE WHARFS AS YOU MOVE NORTH OF ALACHUA STREET.

SO IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. REALLY INTERESTING VERY COOL.

VERY COOL. AND NO TREES ON CENTER. NO BIG WIDE RIGHT? NOT ONE. WHAT A DIFFERENT LOOK. WHAT A DIFFERENT LOOK.

WE'LL SEE THOSE ATLANTIC PAVEMENT ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH BACK THERE.

DAVID? YEAH. I'VE GOT ONE THING TO BRING UP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE GOT IT OR NOT.

DID ANYBODY GET AN EMAIL FROM CHIP ROSS? I DON'T THINK WE.

I'M JUST VOICING MY OPINION ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY INFORMATION HE WANTS TO THROW OUT THERE.

HE WAS HERE FOR TWO TERMS. HE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING.

AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED HIS INFORMATION.

WE DON'T NEED SIX CITY COMMISSION ERS. I MEAN, I PERSONALLY SAW IT AS HE'S PROBABLY JUST TRYING TO COMPILE ALL THE EFFORTS HE PUT INTO IT TO HELP US.

I WASN'T OFFENDED BY IT, BUT I COULD TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION I COULD GET.

YEAH, I'M CURIOUS WHY. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? I MEAN, I JUST HE'S GOT SEVEN YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS A CITY COMMISSION ER.

WELL, HE HAD THE WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE HAVE FIVE COMMISSIONERS, BUT HE'S ONE OF FIVE COMMISSIONERS. I MEAN, HE WAS, BUT HE'S NOT ANYMORE.

HE'S LIVING IN JACKSONVILLE, THIS IS FERNANDINA.

I HAVEN'T HAD A SINGLE COMMISSIONER REACH OUT TO ME AT ALL FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIM, BUT I GUESS I'M NOT BOMBARDED BY THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS INFORMATION THAT THEY SEND ME TO HELP US WITH OUR DECISIONS.

I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT WAY. I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IT JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD GOT AN EMAIL.

BUT I GOT IT. YES, YOU? I DON'T REALLY GET YOU.

I THINK THERE'S GOOD INFORMATION IN IT. DON'T HATE ME, MR. COOK. I'M NOT. I MIGHT HIT YOU WITH A MALLET OR SOMETHING.

WELL, THEN YOU REALLY HAVE TO SEE THIS CHAIRMAN.

[01:20:02]

ANYTHING ELSE? WHAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING? APRIL.

[10. NEXT MEETING DATE - Wednesday, April 2, 2025 at 5PM]

APRIL 2ND. OH, YOU MIGHT HAVE A NEW MEMBER RIGHT.

MARCH 18TH AT THE CITY COMMISSION IS A VOTE. AND IF WE GET ANY OTHERS IN THE INTERIM, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SNEAK THEM ON THERE, TOO. WAIT A SECOND. SO YOU SEE ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL LOOK KEEP YOU ON THE [INAUDIBLE]. MEETING CLOSED.

ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.