[00:00:02] >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I CALL OUR DECEMBER THE 12TH. NO, FEBRUARY THE 12TH. LET ME GET THE RIGHT DATE HERE, MEETING TO GET TO ORDER. IT IS 5 O'CLOCK. WE'RE MEETING AT CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS IN FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? >> MEMBER FOREHAND. >> MEMBER BENNETT. >> YEAR. >> MEMBER DOSTER. >> YEAH. >> MEMBER GINGHER. >> YEAH. >> MEMBER GILLETTE. >> YEAH. >> VICE CHAIR STEVENSON. >> YEAH. >> CHAIR ROBAS. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE EVERYONE IN ATTENDANCE. IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYONE TODAY. LET US STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> [3.1 Approval of Meeting Minutes for the Regular Meeting of December 11, 2024.] >> ITEM 3 ON OUR AGENDAS, APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES 3.1 ARE THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF OUR DECEMBER THE 11TH, 2024 MEETING. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR ANY COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? >> YES. >> YES. WITH BOARD MEMBER. >> FIRST ONE IS A QUESTION. IF YOU GO TO THE MINUTES, [BACKGROUND] LET'S SEE. THIS WILL BE UNDER SECTION 5. LET'S SEE OF THOSE MINUTES. IT'S UNDER NEW BUSINESS, 5.1, AND IT DEALT WITH THAT PLAT FOR THE CE LAVIE PLATTING. DOWN TOWARD THE VERY BOTTOM, JUST BEFORE ACTION TAKEN, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH WHERE MS. KRISHNER BROUGHT UP SOMETHING, AND THEN MARK BENNETT BROUGHT UP SOMETHING. AND ANYWAY, THE SPECIFICS, I'LL JUST READ THE TWO SENTENCES. MEMBER BENNETT ASKED MRS BACH IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING CONDITIONS AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROCESS. MRS BACH STATED THAT SHE WOULD WANT TO RESEARCH THE QUESTION FURTHER AND BRING BACK COMMENTS AT THE NEXT MEETING. THIS WAS FROM DECEMBER. WE DID NOT HAVE A MEETING IN JANUARY. THE CITY COMMISSION HAS ALREADY MET AND VOTED ON THIS SUBJECT, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CLOSURE IS THIS. IS THAT INVALIDATING ANYTHING THE COMMISSION DID? IT SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ACTION TO BE CLOSED WITH THE PAB BEFORE IT WENT TO THE COMMISSION, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A JANUARY MEETING. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT EVER GOT CLOSED. AND SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN DISCLOSED AT THE MEETING WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS VOTED ON? >> SO THE ACTION WAS TAKEN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ITEM BY THE PAB. SO THAT ITEM IS CLOSED. THE OUTSTANDING RE-QUESTION REMAINS ABOUT, CAN YOU CONDITION ZONING APPROVAL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHICH WE KNOW [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S CORRECT. HOW WAS THAT CLOSED? >> SO YOUR QUESTIONS THAT SHE WAS GOING TO BRING BACK TO YOU TO JUST TALK ABOUT TOGETHER HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSED. HOWEVER, YOU DID TAKE FORMAL ACTION ON THAT PAB CASE? >>THAT'S CORRECT. MARK AND I BOTH FIRST AND SECOND. >> AND SO I GUESS, GOING BACK TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HER RESEARCH WAS ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN ASK HER TO COME BACK AT THIS POINT IN TIME. >> SO IN THAT CASE, THEN SHOULD WITH THE MOTION HAVE BEEN IT WILL APPROVE UPON RECEIPT OF THE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION? >> IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING. I'M NOT DOING TO CLAW BACK. I'M JUST TALKING GOING FOR IT. MY CONCERN IS JUST AND THERE WAS EVEN A CITIZEN WHO ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. >> AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT HAVING RESEARCHED THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL, I CAN TELL YOU YES, IT WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR SHORT. >> BECAUSE IT IS R THREE, RIGHT? >> YES. WE DISCUSSED THAT AT THE COMMISSION MEETING. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE PRIOR DISCUSSION THROUGH REZONING CHANGE TO R THREE, WHERE IT WAS WHERE IT WAS INTENDED TO BE FOR LOW INCOME SENIORS, AND IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU CANNOT CONDITION ZONING APPROVAL BACK FROM 2002. IT WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP AT THE COMMISSION HEARING FOR FINAL. >> OKAY. BECAUSE BY DEFINITION, AND IF IT'S NOT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU CAN'T ADD ANOTHER CONDITION UNIQUE TO JUST ONE PARTICULAR REQUEST. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE CLOSED, BUT YEAH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> IT WAS EFFECTIVELY CLOSED AS SOON AS YOU TOOK ACTION ON THE ITEM ITSELF. [00:05:03] >> GOT YOU. >> SO WAS THERE ANY LANGUAGE YOU WANTED TO CHANGE ON THAT? >> NO. THAT ONE'S FINE AS FAR AS THAT ONE GOES. LET ME LOOK AND JUST FLIP BACK HERE. MAYBE LET ME TAKE ONE MORE LOOK. TOOK CARE OF THAT, TOOK CARE OF THAT. NO, THAT'S IT. >> ON THAT ONE? >> THAT'S FOR THOSE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 11. >> ELEVENTH? >> WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? >> TO APPROVE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I'VE JUST HEARD A MOTION TO APPROVE FROM MS. GINGHER AND A SECOND FROM MR. STEVENSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> [INAUDIBLE] HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER THE 11TH, 2024 ARE APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 3.2, APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE CITY COMMISSION AND [3.2 Approval of Minutes for the City Commission and Planning Advisory Board Joint Special Meeting of January 8, 2025.] PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD JOINT SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 8, 2025. ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> FIRST THING, I'D LIKE TO JUST COMMENT ON SOME OF THE CONTENT IN THERE FROM SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD POINTS THAT WERE MADE IN THERE AND THEY WERE PRETTY ESSENTIAL. >> AGREE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT OUR RADAR FIRMLY FIXED ON WHAT THEY SAID. ONE ITEM, LET ME JUST IN PARTICULAR, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMING TO THE COMMISSION WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE POSITION, WHAT IT IS AND WHY IT'S GOOD, WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE, AND SO FORTH. NOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE MERCHANDISE, AND MORE OF THE MERCHANDISING. THEY SIMPLY HAVE A STRAIGHTFORWARD, YOU KNOW, I GOT ONE PAGE OF DATA. LOOK AT THAT, I MAKE A DECISION. BUT WE DO WHAT I CALL THE BACKGROUND WORK FOR IT, THAT WAS ONE THAT DID COME UP. NOW UNDER, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TELL EVERYBODY WHERE TO GO. IT'S ABOUT THE BOTTOM OF I THINK IT'S A SECOND PAGE. LET ME TRY AND GET IT. IF YOU GO UP WORK COMMISSIONER MINCHU, IF YOU JUST GET THAT PARAGRAPH, YOU JUST START STEPPING DOWN UNTIL YOU GET TO PAB MEMBER STEVENSON, NOTED THE WATERFRONT. ON THAT LAST I'M GOING TO SAY, LET ME JUST START. IT'S BASICALLY THE LAST COUPLE OF SENTENCES IN THERE. IT SAYS, HOW DOES THE PAB HELP PROTECT DATA. I SAYS, I MADE THE COMMENT THAT, LET ME JUST GET IT DOWN I CAN. I SAID, PAB DID THE JOB ON TREGALE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY THE REMAINDER OF THAT FIRST PART OF THAT SENTENCE. BUT BUT THE RECOMMENDED NEXT STEP AS PRESCRIBED IN THE LDC WAS NOT FOLLOWED. PERIOD. >> LET ME SEE HERE. SO ON TREGALE COMMA, THEN WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? >> BUT THE RECOMMENDED NEXT STEP AS PRESCRIBED IN THE LDC WAS NOT FOLLOWED. >> NEXT STEP AND THE LDC. >> IF ANYBODY WANTS TO WORD SMITH IT A LITTLE BIT. I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE THAT ONE THOUGHT AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THAT SENTENCE IS AND THAT THE LDC WHERE IT SAYS, AND THAT THE LDC COULD USE SOME CLEANUP. THAT OUGHT TO BE A SEPARATE STATEMENT SAY. HOWEVER, LDC SECTIONS 10304 AND 10305 COULD USE SOME CLEANUP. >> OKAY. LET'S MAKE SURE WE GOT THE LANGUAGE HERE SO THAT WE CAN ALL LOOK AT THAT. THE PAB DID ITS JOB ON TREGALE, BUT THE RECOMMENDED NEXT STEPS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WAS NOT FOLLOWED. PERIOD. >> YEAH. >> DO WE WANT TO JUST STOP THERE AND SEE IF WE'VE GOT AGREEMENT FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD? >> YEAH, LET'S DO THAT. >> DOES THAT WORK FOR ANYBODY, EVERYBODY SO FAR SO GOOD? THEN THE NEXT PART IS BASICALLY THAT LAST SECTION THERE, IT SAYS AND THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE COULD USE SOME CLEANUP. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE? >> THAT WAS MY JUST GENERAL COMMENT. WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT SO I THINK WE'VE SAID WE WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO GO BACK AND POKE AT IT AND WE KNOW THE COMMISSION WOULD WE THINK AT LEAST IN THE LAST FORMAL INPUT WAS WE OUGHT AT LEAST LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE. >> SO CLEANUP. THOSE TWO SENTENCES, THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO EDIT THAT LAST SENTENCE THERE? [00:10:05] >> NEXT PARAGRAPH, I GOT ANOTHER ANOTHER ONE, AND THIS JUST INVOLVES THE PARKING. ANYWAY, IF YOU GO TO PAB MEMBER STEVENSON, ASK YOUR OPINION ABOUT DOWNTOWN PAID PARKING IN CERTAIN ZONES AND SEEKING NASSAU COUNTY INPUT, WELL, I THINK I'LL READ NASSAU COUNTY INPUT IF AVAILABLE, REGARDING THE ISSUE OF PAID PARKING, SUCH AS ON THE BEACH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN. BUT I THINK WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE OR WHAT AND I THINK WE MAY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT FROM ANOTHER ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS TONIGHT. >> SO WE WOULD SAY COUNTY INPUT, IF AVAILABLE. >> REGARDING THE ISSUE OF PAID PARKING. >> REGARDING THE ISSUE OF PAID PARKING? >> SUCH AS ON THE BEACH. BECAUSE THAT'S ONE AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME SET OF ANALYTICS TO LOOK AT THAT WE DO WITHIN THE CITY. >> SUCH AS PARKING ON THE BEACH, PERIOD. THEN WE WOULD STRIKE EFFORTS INTO THIS ISSUE? >> YEAH. >> EVERYBODY FOLLOWING ALONG? WAS THE REST OF THAT ALL RIGHT? >> YES. >> OKAY. SO SEEKING NASSAU COUNTY INPUT, IF AVAILABLE, REGARDING THE ISSUE OF PAID PARKING, SUCH AS PARKING AT THE BEACH? >> YES. >> MADAM SECRETARY, DID YOU GET THAT? THANK YOU. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, WHO IS MARK DURHAM? >> WHY IS HE VICE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD, HE HAS A SEAT ON THE PAB, BUT HE WOULD ONLY COME IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO INVOLVE A SCHOOL. >> SO HE MUST BE NOTED AS BEING ABSENT. HE DIDN'T USED TO BE BUT I DON'T CARE. >> HE'S NEVER SHOWN UP. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S THE ANSWER. >> BUT HE HAS AN ASSIGNED CHAIR I GUESS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS GIVES TO HIM AS BEING THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT. >> SO THEY DIDN'T DISCUSS THE AT THE JOINT MEETING WITH THIS WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THEY DIDN'T DISCUSS PAID PARKING. OH, YOU DIDN'T GO, DID YOU? >> JOINT MEETING OR NOT? >> DID ANYTHING COME UP ON THAT? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE EDITS THAT BOARD MEMBER STEVENSON HAS PROPOSED. ARE THERE ANY CHALLENGES OR CORRECTIONS? >> I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT. >> YEAH. >> I DON'T USUALLY COMMENT ON THESE, BUT I REMEMBER COMMISSIONER TUTTON TALKING ABOUT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME AND GO BACK AND WE REALLY WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TACKLE, WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTED US TO DO. I'M NOT SURE THESE MINUTES TELL ME WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, COMMISSIONER MINCHU YOU SAID THAT WE SHOULD GO THROUGH AND CREATE A VERY DETAILED PLAN FOR THEM TO REVIEW. AND THEN WE GOT FURTHER IN THE MEETING, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER TUTTON SAID, WE DON'T, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TO DO ALL THESE THINGS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING THINGS THAT ARE PRODUCTIVE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. GOT TO REALLY TELL ME. >> I ALSO HEARD THAT THE COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE WORD METHOD. THEY ALSO WANT A COMPANION STATEMENT OR A COMPANION PARAGRAPH THAT BASICALLY SUMMARIZES WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE. THAT WAS PART OF WHAT MINCHU WAS REQUESTING. >> WELL, HERE'S A LIST OF THE 25. >> BUT THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY COME UP IN OUR MEETING. >> BECAUSE THIS IS A LONG LIST. >> THIS IS A LONG LIST. BUT IT WAS A BRAINSTORMING SESSION. YEAH. NOW, I THINK LATER ON IN OUR MEETING, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO ENCAPSULATE WHAT IT IS THAT AT LEAST WHAT I HEARD, AND WHAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR BOARD, WHAT YOU ALL HEARD SO THAT WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE]. >> COMMISSIONER MINCHU SAID IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THE MINUTES SHOULD ENCAPSULATE [00:15:02] WHAT OUR DIRECTIVE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. >> THERE WAS SOME GUIDELINES. >> BUT THE MINUTE TO CAPTURE ANY PART WAS THE AGENDA THAT WE HAD THAT NIGHT THAT WAS PRINTED FOR OUR [INAUDIBLE]. >> RIGHT. >> BUT I THOUGHT THAT THEY GAVE US SOME OF THEIR THOUGHTS. I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER MINCHU WAS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT HER FIVE-YEAR VIEW ABOUT THIS. >> I AGREE. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. WE ASKED SOME GOOD QUESTIONS. I THOUGHT YOU ASKED SOME GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING STANDARDS. MAYBE WE DIDN'T GET ALL THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR, BUT I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT I THINK WE CAN TAKE OUT OF THIS. >> FAIR ENOUGH. >> IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE ASKING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> OF COURSE. >> MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS. >> NO, YOU DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. >> I THINK, NICK, BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT, THOUGH. ON DECEMBER THE 3RD, THERE WAS A WORKSHOP WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. I IDENTIFIED 16 ITEMS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP AS THESE ARE THE HOT BUTS THEY WERE LOOKING AT BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING AT WHEN THEY DO THE WORKSHOPS BETWEEN FIVE AND SIX AT THE REGULAR MEET. THERE WERE 16 ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP THERE. AT OUR MEETING, I CAME UP WITH 19. SOME OF THEM YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, THEY'RE INTERLACED, BUT I CAME UP WITH 19. THEY AREN'T ALL THE SAME ITEMS, BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE COMMON. WE MAY HAVE TO THREAD THE NEEDLE AND SAY, WHERE'S THE COMMON THREAD? >> EXACTLY. >> WE ALSO HAVE A LIST FROM BACK IN APRIL OF 2024 THAT HAD ANOTHER LIST. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO NARROW IT DOWN, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT DONE, I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO PRIORITIZE. >> I AGREE. I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO LIST 25 OR 26 PROJECTS. I THINK THAT. >> KELLY, WOULD CHOOSE. [LAUGHTER] >> YES HE WOULD. I THINK IF WE PICK THREE TOP ISSUES THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO ADDRESS THIS YEAR, THAT IS A GRACIOUS PLAN. UNLESS AN EMERGENCY COMES UP. >> SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. >> WELL, I HEARD QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE INTERESTING IN. >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, HERE'S 25 THINGS? >> NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. >> BUT I THINK THE ONE THEME THAT SEEMED TO COME OUT WAS, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A I SAY A MORE INTENSE BUSINESS CASE THAT GOES ALONG WITH OUR VOTE. WE VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. HERE'S HOW IT'S GOING TO SAY MONEY, WHATEVER THE PAYBACK IS. >> WHAT I ALSO HEARD FROM, MINCHU, WHAT ARE THE METRICS ON THESE PROJECTS? METRICS IS SOMETHING I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'VE REALLY ADDRESSED IN ANY OF THESE PROJECTS TO SAY, HOW DO WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ACCOMPLISHING WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? THAT TAKES ON A DIFFERENT CALCULUS TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. >> I THINK THAT'S WHERE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TO START LOOKING IN WHERE WE GET INTO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT MIGHT SHOW UP ANOTHER TWO OR THREE YEARS OUT. IF YOU LOOK ON THAT THEY SPENT DOING BASICALLY EIGHTH STREET, AND THERE'S WHAT MARK WOULD YOU HAVE ABOUT A YEAR ON THAT? >> ALMOST. >> CLOSE TO A YEAR, JUST TO DEVELOP JUST A DOCUMENT THAT DEFINED WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO AND THAT LITERALLY, I'LL CALL IT THREE STREETS BECAUSE IT'S PARTS OF THE OTHERS. BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T INTRODUCING ANOTHER ISSUE. >> IT DOES TAKE A LOT OF WORK, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO NOT GET OVERBURDENED WITH TRYING TO SOLVE WORLD HUNGER. ALTHOUGH YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP SOLVE WORLD HUNGER. >> WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A CHOICE. >> BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A CHOICE, NOT NECESSARILY A PRIORITY, BUT I'D SAY TWO OR THREE SUBJECTS OR TOPICS OR ISSUES. THEN WE WORK WITH STAFF TO HELP US START TO PUT THAT IN A QUEUE, HELP FLUSH IT OUT, GET MORE DETAIL ABOUT IT, AND THEN WE CAN START TO. [OVERLAPPING]. >> BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH HERE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT WE CONSIDER RATHER THAN GIVE THEM MORE? >> WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR MINUTES HERE. LET'S TRY TO GET OUR MINUTES DONE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS, COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES THAT ARE FOR THE JANUARY 8, 2025 JOINT MEETING? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. [00:20:01] >> AYE. >> OPPOSE LAKE SIGN. HEARING NONE. >> CAN I GO BACK? LET ME JUST GIVE YOU PHOTO ON THAT SO THAT'S OUT. HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS RELIED ON STAFF TO TELL US WHERE SOME ISSUES ARE OCCURRING IN THEIR VARIOUS PLANNING AREAS, WHAT'S GOING ON AS DEVELOPMENTS OCCURRING. WHERE THOSE PROBLEMS EXIST THAT WE CAN SOLVE THAT. SORRY. IN THIS DISCUSSION, YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S US COME UP WITH STUFF. IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT THEY GIVE US SOME DIRECTION, I THINK AS TO WHERE WE SHOULD FOCUS ON TO HELP THEM AS THEY DEAL WITH VARIOUS PROJECTS AND THINGS. >> SURE. BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH STAFF. >> WELL, THEY GAVE US A LIST. WE HAVE A LIST FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW THAT WE'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT. >> WELL, BUT KELLY HAD RIGHT IN THE PACKAGE. THAT WAS A PRETTY CURRENT LIST. >> I HAD A ONE OF THE GIVE US FROM THE JOINT MEETING. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS LIST? >> NO. ONE RIGHT HERE. >> THAT'S FINE. >> THIS ONE, KELLY. ONE THAT WAS IN THE PACK. >> THAT'S UNDER BOARD BUSINESS. P. >> PARDON? >> WE CAN COVER THAT UNDER BOARD BUSINESS. >> BECAUSE YOU CAPTURED IN THERE AN AWFUL LOT OF THE STUFF THAT I CAME UP. >> WELL, I AM HAPPY TO SHARE THIS GRAPH WITH KELLY. BUT THESE ARE MY NOTES FROM THAT MEETING. IT IS WAITING FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD. I WOULD NEVER ASSUME THAT I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. THIS IS WHY I BROUGHT IT BACK TO YOU GUYS BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE THE MEETING AFTER OUR JOINT MEETING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE I'VE MISSED SOMETHING. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER REALLY FEELS AS IMPORTANT TO PUT ON THAT LIST, BECAUSE I TRIED TO GET THIS SO THAT WE GET OUR ARMS AROUND IT, AND IF THERE'S THINGS THAT STAFF FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO ADD TO IT. BUT I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF JUST PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD WORK ON IN ADDITION TO ALL THE THINGS THAT STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAY, LET'S PICK TWO OR THREE TOPICS, NOT ALL OF THEM. >> I AGREE. >> THAT THIS WOULD BE FOLDED IN TO OUR BOOK OF WORK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHERE WE CAN HAVE WORKSHOPS OR WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND TRY TO KEEP FROM BEING MAYBE ALL OVER THE PLACE, TRYING TO FIND OTHER PROJECTS. I JUST THINK IF WE CAN IDENTIFY THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO WORK ON. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THIS LIST, THIS IS WHAT STAFF IS WORKING ON. THIS IS WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING US THESE THINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WELL. >> WELL, I MIGHT TAKE MAYBE ONE EXAMPLE. IF KELLY, IF YOU WERE JUST LOOKING FORWARD, WOULD YOU SAY THAT PROBABLY GOING FORWARD, YOU'RE GOING TO BE GET A LOT MORE FOCUS ON REDEVELOPMENT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS VERSUS NEW DEVELOPMENT? >> THE LINE'S SHARE OF OUR DEVELOPMENT IS REDEVELOPMENT AND AND INFILL DEVELOPMENT, GIVEN THAT THE CITY IS 97% BUILT OUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO YES. >> FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, ANYTHING WE DO TO HELP THAT WHOLE PROCESS THEN HELPS THE STAFF WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY AND MORE EFFECTIVELY. >> I THINK A LOT OF IT IS UNDERSTANDING THE CONSENSUS OF THIS BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT IT WANTS TO SEE FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR. ONCE WE HAVE THAT SHARED UNDERSTANDING, THEN WE CAN START TO SHAPE POLICIES THAT REFLECT TO THAT USED. >> THAT MAKE SENSE? >> THAT WAS ON THE LIST. THERE'S ONE. >> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU CAN HOLD THAT AFFIRM, [4. STAFF REPORT] WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT UNDER BOARD BUSINESS. KELLY AND HER STAFF HAVE PUT TOGETHER A GREAT PRESENTATION FOR US AN ENCAPSULATION OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE LAST YEAR, THINGS THAT THEY'VE GOT ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THIS YEAR, [00:25:03] AND THEN FOR THE FUTURE. A WHOLE PRESENTATION ON SOME REALLY EXCITING THINGS. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS TO GO OVER UNDER ITEM 4 STAFF REPORT. KELLY, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. >> THAT'S FINE. WELL, AND I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION NECESSARILY, BUT I DO WANT TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU THIS EVENING, AS WELL AS THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE INCLUDED ON THE WEBSITE FOR YOUR REVIEW. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A STAFF WE WORK ON IS WE HAVE SEVERAL ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS THAT WE DO EACH YEAR ON SEVERAL TYPES OF THEM. THESE INVOLVE OUR CONTEXT SENSITIVE SETBACK REVIEWS, MINOR LOT LINE ADJUSTMENTS AND MINOR SUBDIVISIONS. THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS THAT TAKE PLACE, BUT THERE ARE THOSE TWO SPECIFICALLY AND TREE WAIVERS. THREE THAT WE ARE REQUIRED THROUGH OUR CODE TO PROVIDE A PUBLISHED REPORT TO YOU. THIS COULD LOOK DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE, BUT OUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING OF FEBRUARY, WHICH IS IN YOUR BYLAWS TO HOLD IN FEBRUARY OF EACH YEAR, IS A REALLY NICE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE BOARD AND WITH THE COMMUNITY JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. WE CAN CERTAINLY PUBLISH THIS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. IT IS A TRACKER THAT IS MAINTAINED. BUT YOU WILL NOTICE THE TYPES OF REVIEWS THAT OCCURRED AND THE OUTCOMES OF THEM, AS WELL AS THE TIMING FOR WHEN THEY OCCURRED. IT MAY PROVIDE MORE DETAIL THAN YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO SEE, BUT YOU GET A SENSE OF THE NUMBER OF ACTIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE WITHIN THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS. AGAIN, THERE ARE OUTCOMES FOR THEM. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM OR THE PROCESS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. WE'RE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS. OUT OF ALL THOSE APPLICATION ITEMS, HOW MANY LOTS WERE CREATED TOTAL>? >> ONE. >> MIGHT BE NEGATIVE. >> THERE'S A NET ONE. >> NET ONE. >> YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE ADMIN 2024 LIST. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR FOR, KELLY, ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEWS REPORT THAT SHE'S JUST PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, OR THE REALLY COMPREHENSIVE 2024 IN REVIEW FROM THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT? ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO, ACTUALLY. >> GO AHEAD. >> THESE APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED TO STAFF. BUT THERE ARE ALSO ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS THAT PLATS. >> OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST THOSE ACTIONS THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY HANDLED. THEY DO HAVE NOTICE TIED TO THEM AND AN APPEAL PERIOD FOR WHICH SOMEONE COULD PURSUE ACTION TO APPEAL AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION. IN ONE CASE, THEY DID UNDER A TREE REVIEW. >> I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THAT? >> IN ONE CASE, AND IT WASN'T A MINOR SUBDIVISION. IT WAS A SETBACK REVIEW FOR TREES. THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL. >> MR. JAN, THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. >> IT'S JUST THAT I'LL ADD ON TO IT. I THINK STAFF DESERVES SOME CREDIT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE TURNAROUND TIMES, THE APPLICATION DATE TO THE LETTER DATA WAS ISSUED, IS CONTRARY TO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN GOVERNMENT. THESE ARE, ACTUALLY, FAIRLY QUICK. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO HAVE MORE OF THESE. INSTEAD OF DRAGGING PEOPLE OUT, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WAS THIS THE ENTIRE YEAR? >> THAT WAS THE ENTIRE YEAR. >> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE 2024 IN REVIEW? ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON. KELLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAYBE TALK TO US A [00:30:03] LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 2025 PLANNING BASED PROJECTS? >> SURE. OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THE 2024 REPORT COVER THAT. >> SURE. >> JUST LET BACK FORWARD. >> THIS REPORT SIMPLY CAPTURES THE VOLUME OF APPLICATIONS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE KEY PROJECTS THAT WE DID ACCOMPLISH LAST YEAR. AND I WOULD LOVE TO HIGHLIGHT THE WORK OF THIS BOARD, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEER BOARDS IN HANDLING THOSE CASES. THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS, WHETHER IT IS AT A STAFF LEVEL OR AT A BOARD LEVEL TO PREPARE THOSE ITEMS AND TO GET THEM MADE AVAILABLE FOR BOARD CONSIDERATION. THERE WAS A LOT THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED LAST YEAR, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO ACCOMPLISH THAT ALL WITH QUICK TURNAROUND TIMES, HANDLING THAT ALONGSIDE DEVELOPMENT INQUIRIES AND RESIDENTIAL CONCERNS THAT COME UP ON A DAILY BASIS, JUST WITH THE BEST POSSIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPERIENCE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. WE HAD TO GET CREATIVE LAST YEAR, GIVEN STAFF TURNOVER. WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED SEVERAL CREATIVE STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT THAT IN PROVIDING PEOPLE WITH INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED WHEN THEY ARRIVE HERE AT OUR OFFICE TO GET THAT INFORMATION. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT. THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU CAN SEE SOME REALLY HIGH PROFILE PROJECTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH OUR COMPREHENSIVE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY OF LAST YEAR AND ACCEPTED OFFICIALLY THROUGH THE STATE IN DECEMBER DID TAKE A GOOD BIT OF BACK AND FORTH TO HAVE THAT FULLY FINALIZED. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AND HAVE MOVED FORWARD INTO THIS YEAR INTO OUR ADAPTATION PLAN PHASE, WHERE WE HAVE UNDER THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, IDENTIFIED OUR RISKS AND WHERE WE ARE VULNERABLE, PARTICULAR TO FLOODING. IN THIS NEXT PHASE, WE WILL DETERMINE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR OUR COMMUNITY? WE HAVE ALSO BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING UPDATED DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES. THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT PROJECT WAS REALLY TO PICK UP THE EXISTING DOCUMENT, MAKE IT MUCH MORE USER FRIENDLY, ADD A LOT OF ILLUSTRATIONS AND GRAPHICS THAT HELP TO CONVEY WHAT THE TERMS FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION MEAN AND HOW YOU NAVIGATE THE PROCESS, WITH GETTING APPROVALS THROUGH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, BUT DOING SO WITH THE RIGHT PRESERVATION TECHNIQUES AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE STRUCTURES, WHETHER THEY'RE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT PROJECT, ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL ONGOING. WE HAVE SOME FINAL MEETINGS WITH OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL TO WRAP THAT UP AND THEN MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL AND ADOPTION AS THE UPDATED GUIDELINES. THEN WE ALSO WORKED ON OUR MUNICIPAL IMPACT FEE STUDY FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IMPACT FEES. THESE ARE FEES THAT ARE CHARGED FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER THAT'S EXPANSION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR NEW STRUCTURES. THESE ARE FEES THAT ARE PAID FOR SERVICES, OUR POLICE, FIRE, PARKS AND RECREATION, AND PUBLIC FACILITIES. YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS A RATIONAL NEXUS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE AND THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON YOUR COMMUNITY. THIS NEEDS TO BE UPDATED EVERY SO OFTEN, AND WE WERE IN A POINT IN TIME WHERE IT WAS READY AND RECOMMENDED FOR AN UPDATE TO OCCUR. GIVEN SOME OF THE CHANGES WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND SOME OF THE OBSTACLES THERE LAST YEAR. WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO FINALIZE THE DIRECTION THAT THAT WILL TAKE BEFORE MOVING IT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION. I DO EXPECT THAT THAT WILL GET WRAPPED UP WITHIN THIS FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. ANOTHER REALLY HIGH PROFILE PROJECT IS OUR NEW PERMIT SOFTWARE PORTAL. THIS IS HOPEFULLY GOING TO BE OUR FINAL PERMITTING SYSTEM FOR I'M I WOULD IMAGINE AT LEAST TEN YEARS, HOPEFULLY LONGER, BUT REALLY TRYING TO GET A MORE SEAMLESS AND USER FRIENDLY SYSTEM THAT IS EASY TO NAVIGATE AND INTUITIVE, ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU ACTUALLY NEED AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU GET DIRECTED TO THE RIGHT PERMIT TO TYPE OR PLANNING APPLICATION. WE WILL START SOME USER TRAINING AND USER TESTING IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. THEN HOPEFULLY LAUNCH THAT NEW PRODUCT IN THE SUMMER. NO, IT'S BEEN A VERY TIME CONSUMING PROJECT FOR ALL OF US INTERNALLY, [00:35:03] BOTH IN THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENTS. THEN MORE FUN PROJECT THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR IS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE A VERY TRADITIONAL METHOD THAT IS LESS DISRUPTIVE ON OUR ENVIRONMENT OF USING GOATS TO MOWER CONSERVATION LANDS. WE HAD TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN ACQUIRED BY THE CITY AND HAD LOTS OF INVASIVE PLANTS ON THEM. RATHER THAN GOING IN AND CLEARING THEM WITH A BUSHHG, WE WERE ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY CALLED GOATS ON THE GO, TO BRING GOAT HERDS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND REMOVE THOSE VINES AND REMOVE THE INVASIVE PLANS. IT PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR VOLUNTEER GROUPS TO COME IN AND SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS WITH CLEANUPS AFTERWARDS. SO EVEN, THAT EFFORT WITH THE UNDERBRUSHING, NOT LED TO OUR ABILITY TO BETTER MAINTAIN OUR CONSERVATION PROPERTIES. A HEIGHTENED AWARENESS THAT WHEN YOU ACQUIRE CONSERVATION LANDS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EVER DO ANYTHING WITH THEM, YOU DO ACTUALLY HAVE TO CARE FOR THEM AND BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT LAND, AND THIS IS ONE WAY THAT WE HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PROPERTIES. >> IS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB? >> THEY DID A GREAT JOB. >> YES. >> YOU PLAN ON USING THEM INTO THE FUTURE? I THINK SO. I THINK WE WOULD IF THAT SERVICE IS STILL AVAILABLE. >> MAYBE WE GO ON THE BUSINESS OF GATHERINGS NOTES [INAUDIBLE]. >> WITH THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO THEN DO A LAND DEDICATION THAT WE HAD WORKED WITH THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST TO ACQUIRE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY OFF OF 11TH STREET, AND OFFICIALLY HAVE IT NAMED FOR BISHOP FREEMAN YOUNG, AND THAT DEDICATION OCCURRED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. IT WAS VERY EXCITING. ALL OF THAT IS DUE TO KATHY RUSSELL'S EFFORTS. SHE JUST HAS REALLY TAKEN THIS ON AND TAKEN CARE OF THE GOATS WHILE THEY WERE HERE AND WORKING, COORDINATING WITH THAT GROUP AND THEN ORGANIZING NUMEROUS CLEANUPS TIED TO THOSE PROPERTIES. >> GREAT. >> YES. NOT TO UNDERSCORE OUR CONSERVATION AND URBAN FORESTRY EFFORTS, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING ROUTINELY. WE ACQUIRED RECENTLY 2.45 ACRES OF LAND IN 2024, WHICH IS VERY EXCITING. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD A TREMENDOUS DONATION CAMPAIGN THAT GENERATED 100 AND ALMOST $160,000 OF DONATIONS INTO OUR CONSERVATION LAND TRUST FUND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO BUY MORE PROPERTIES IN THE FUTURE. WE HAD ALMOST 150 NEW TREES PLANTED LAST YEAR, TEN NEW HERITAGE TREES DESIGNATED. WITHIN THE GREENWAY, WE HAD 24 TOURS AND OTHER GREENWAY ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING MA LOVE HAS THEIR FIFTH GRADERS COME AND VISIT THE GREENWAY OVER TWO DAYS IN THE SPRINGTIME, AND IT'S JUST A GREAT PROGRAM THAT A LOT OF OUR VOLUNTEERS COME IN AND HELP US AND GIVING THEM SOME HANDS ON EXPERIENCES AND INTERACTING THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT SEE IN THE GREENWAY ON A REGULAR BASIS AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO COME OUT AND ENJOY THIS RESOURCE THAT IS LITERALLY IN THEIR BACKYARDS. THEN WE ARE EXCITED TO CELEBRATE 23 YEARS AS A TRUE CITY, OUR FOURTH YEAR WITH A GROWTH AWARD AND OUR SECOND YEAR AS A TREE CITY OF THE WORLD. VERY GOOD. BIG ACCOMPLISHMENTS. COME ON. >> DO YOU OR DOES SOMEBODY IN THE CITY PREPARE A PRESS RELEASE OR PRESS INFORMATION TO SEND THIS TO LEVICH AND JULIA AND MAKE THIS NEWS KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH WHATEVER MEDIA WE HAVE? >> WE DO. EACH OF THESE ACTIVITIES, WE WILL HAVE PRESS TIED TO THAT, WHETHER THAT'S FOR OUR ARBOR DAY EVENTS OR THE CLEANUP ACTIVITIES, WE DO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUSH INFORMATION ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. THEN WHEREVER IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A MORE FORMAL PRESS RELEASE, WE WILL PUSH INFORMATION. >> LET'S MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS KNOW THIS. >> THE ANNUAL REPORT ITSELF? >> WELL, I MEAN, JUST EVEN THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS. GOT YOU DID THIS. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THEY WOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO KNOW. >> THANK YOU. I DEFINITELY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OUR PARTNERS WHICH WE COULD NOT DO MANY OF THESE PROGRAMS WITHOUT THEIR CONTINUED PARTICIPATION. THEIR INSPIRATION, REALLY, THEY WILL COME IN FREQUENTLY WITH IDEAS FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT JUST ADD MORE VALUE TO THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THEM YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. [00:40:04] >> WE NEED TO PITCH THOSE STORIES TO THE MEANING THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY DOES THIS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR. >> YES, SIR. DO WE HAVE THE NUMBER OF NEW BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE ISSUED FOR THE YEAR? >> I COULD GET THAT FOR YOU. I DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN HERE. I DID JUST ACCUMULATIVE OF THE OVERALL REVIEWS THAT WERE COMPLETED. OF THOSE 2000 OR SO, IT WOULD BE A SUBSET OF THEM. NOW, NEW BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM CATALOGS IT, NEW CONSTRUCTION AS A PERMIT IS ITS OWN CATEGORY, AND THAT WOULD CAPTURE A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND AN EXPANSION IN THE SAME WAY. >> WHAT I LIKE WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS NEW COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, NEW RESIDENTIAL, WHERE IT WAS A VACANT PIECE OR REDEVELOPED OR CHANGE OF USE OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED NEW. >> WE COULD TRY TO FILTER OUT THE DATA TO GET THAT INFORMATION. >> ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEWS OF TEN, ARE THOSE TEN THAT WERE APPROVED OR JUST SUBMITTED? >> NO, I KNEW YOU WOULD ASK THAT QUESTION. ONLY FOUR WERE FULLY APPROVED, FOUR LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ORDERS WERE ISSUED LAST YEAR OUT OF THE TEN SITE PLAN REVIEW. >> THESE NUMBERS TO ME SPEAK LIKE WE WERE FAIRLY DEAD LAST YEAR. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. IF YOU HAVE FOUR SITE PLANS THAT ARE APPROVED IN ONE EVERY THREE MONTHS, FOR NEW PROJECTS TO BE BUILT, THAT SEEMS WOEFULLY LOW. TO BE HEALTHY. >> I MEAN BE BE FOR EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. >> IF WE'RE GETTING ONE NEW PROJECT EVERY THREE MONTHS, THAT COULD BE AS SMALL AS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION? THOSE ARE FAIRLY INNOCUOUS DEVELOPMENTS, AND THAT'S NOT A HEALTHY SIGNAL. >> IS IT UNHEALTHY? WERE YOU BEING ACCURATE WHEN YOU SAID WE'RE 97% BUILT OUT. >> I'M ACCURATE. AS OF YESTERDAY, I HAD THAT NUMBER CONFIRMED. >> WELL, JUST TELLS ME WE'RE NOT DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF REDEVELOPING. THOSE WILL BE GOING TO SITE PLAN REVIEW. >> YOU'RE NOTING THE ECONOMY. >> NO. IT'S PART OF FINANCING AND ALL OF THE OTHER ISSUES. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> HAVE PUT A COST OF MONEY RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT SDUIVE. >> THEY MAY NEED HELP. >> BUT WELL, NOW THAT'S WHERE YOU IF YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON REDEVELOPMENT, I THINK WE SAY THAT'S WHERE THE CITY'S PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO. WE MAY HAVE TO START LOOKING ARE THERE INCENTIVES? THEN WHAT TYPES OF REDEVELOPMENT DO YOU WANT TO CULTIVATE? >> I'LL HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THAT. >> DO WE NEED INCENTIVES TO REDEVELOP? I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING HERE AND BUILDING BUYING, REDEVELOPING, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. WE DOUBLE A POPULATION. TEN OR 20 YEARS. >> BUT I THINK WE HAD TO ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OVER VACANT LOTS OF VACANT LAND GETTING DEVELOPED. IF YOU CAN INCENTIVIZE IT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT BE LESS VISIBLY. EXACTLY. >> I THINK THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES THE PRESSURE RETURN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE TREAT, CANOPY, SO ON. REDEVELOPMENT REDUCES YOUR EXPOSURE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. KELLY. >> GOODS COMMENT. SHE'S STILL PRESENT. >> NO. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON ACTIVITY. TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WE'VE GOT PAB APPLICATIONS, ANNEXATIONS, AND VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS. I THOUGHT ALL ANNEXATIONS WERE PAB. IS THAT THE 13TH ANNEXATIONS THE SAME AS THE 13TH PAB? >> NO. THE OF YOUR PAB APPLICATIONS, YOU HAD TWO THAT WERE ANNEXATIONS. SEPARATELY, YOU HAD 11 FILED WATER AND WASTEWATER AGREEMENTS WHICH COME IN THE FORM OF A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION. THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS, AND COULD NOT WE COULDN'T INITIATE AN ANNEXATION ON IMMEDIATELY. WE HAVE THEM ON FILE SO THAT WHEN THEY DO BECOME CONTIGUOUS, WE CAN THEN INITIATE THOSE PROCEDURES TO BRING THEM IN. >> ONCE CITY BOUNDARIES TOUCH ONE SIDE OF THAT LOT, [00:45:01] THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY ANNEXED, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THEY ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY ANNEXED. IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR ANNEXATION ASSIGNMENT OF LAND USE AND ZONING, WHERE IT COMES THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE FOR APPROVAL. THE TWO REGULAR ANNEXATIONS WERE THE CASE WHERE YOU NOT HAD CITY PROPERTY TOUCHING THE PROPERTY THAT EITHER WAS REQUESTED TO BE ANNEXED IN. >> WE HANDLED THOSE EARLY LAST YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION CYCLE KICKED IN WHERE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO THEN DO ANYTHING ANNEXATIONS. >> IF YOU HAVE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS THEN THAT STATISTICALLY, THE PROBABILITIES, MOST OF THOSE WILL END UP BECOMING CITY PROPERTY AT A POINT IN TIME? >> AT SOME POINT IN TIME. >> FIFTY YEARS, MAYBE. WHAT ARE OUT THERE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KELLY ON THIS REPORT? >> THANKS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELCOME. >> VERY GOOD REPORT. SO THAT'S 2024 IN REVIEW. KELLY, YOU WANT TO TAKE US INTO 2025? >> YES. MOVING FORWARD, I'VE CREATED WHAT PHILLY LOOKS LIKE A LAUNDRY LIST OF PROJECTS HERE. AND SO WE CAN JUST KIND OF START AT THE TOP, OR I CAN TAKE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS LIST ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT. I WILL HIGHLIGHT THAT WE DO HAVE SOME STATE MANDATED DEADLINES COMING UP THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD, INCLUDING OUR WATER SUPPLY PLAN UPDATE THAT WILL BE DUE TO THE STATE IN JUNE. AND ANY COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WATER SUPPLY PLAN WILL ALSO NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND PROCESSED TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE STATE BY JUNE OF THIS YEAR. THOSE ARE ACTIVELY BEING WORKED ON IN COORDINATION WITH OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. WE WERE WAITING ON OUR CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT FOR WATER SUPPLY TO BE FINALIZED LAST YEAR BEFORE WORKING ON THIS PIECE OF IT, AND THEN BRINGING THAT FORWARD TO THE BOARD. YOU WILL SEE THOSE IN EITHER MARCH OR APRIL OF THIS YEAR. THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. THEN, OF COURSE, WE HAVE OUR ADAPTATION PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH OUR PROJECT TEAM, HALF, THEIR CONSULTANT GROUP, AND THAT PROJECT DID KICKOFF IN JANUARY. I EXPECT THAT WE WILL HAVE OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH SESSIONS IN MARCH OR APRIL OF THIS YEAR TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY ON HOW WE ADDRESS THOSE VULNERABILITIES. SOME OF THESE THINGS I'VE ALREADY COVERED. I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND COVER. >> EXCUSE ME. CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THIS ADAPTATION PLAN IS AND EXACTLY WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CONSULTANT IS GOING TO BE DOING AND WHAT TYPE OF OUTREACH OR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK YOU'RE HOPING TO GET? >> LAST YEAR, WE COMPLETED OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE ASKED THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US IDENTIFY THOSE POINTS OF CONCERN. SPECIFIC TO FLOODING, CAN FOLLOW THAT IN MIND. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FLOODING AS A VULNERABILITY HERE. THE REASON WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FLOODING IS UNDER THE RESILIENCE FLORIDA PROGRAM, THEY HAVE TASKED COMMUNITIES WITH IDENTIFYING VULNERABILITIES AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AND PROVIDED FUNDING FOR US TO DO THAT. THIS STUDY AND THE ADAPTATION PLAN ARE FUNDED BY THE STATE FOR US TO COMPLETE THIS WORK. FROM THAT WE'RE ABLE TO THEN SUBMIT FOR GRANTS ON CAPITAL PROJECTS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS VULNERABILITIES. LAST YEAR, WE DETERMINED WHERE OUR VULNERABILITIES LIE, AND THIS YEAR, WE'RE DETERMINING HOW WE'RE GOING TO OVERCOME THEM. THAT MAY TAKE THE SHAPE OF SO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW. DO WE WANT TO MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES? BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS TO ADDRESS THEM? DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS VULNERABILITIES THROUGH POLICY CHANGES? ARE THERE PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THEM? WHAT ARE THE STRATEGIES TO OVERCOME THOSE VULNERABILITIES AND BECOME MORE RESILIENT? THAT IS THIS NEXT PHASE. WHEN WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY MEETING, THE CONSULTANT WILL HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE PALATABLE TO THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE THEM ON FOR THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE. THAT MEETING WILL HELP US TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS PALATABLE AS A SOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN THEN ADOPT THAT PLAN AND THEN START TO TAKE ACTION. WE PUT MEASURES IN PLACE THAT MAKE US A MORE RESILIENT FOR NINA. >> WHEN DO YOU THINK THE CONSULTANTS WILL HAVE THAT PLAN READY FOR OUR REVIEW? >> THAT WILL BE DUE IN JUNE. BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY BE FOR US. [00:50:03] >> CAN WE FEEL BACK FOR A MINUTE. SURE. WHAT IS THIS WATER SUPPLY PLAN? I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT THE WORDS SAY, BUT THERE'S THREE ITEMS HERE REGARDING THAT. I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. >> I'M SORRY. I DUPLICATED THEM. >> IS WATER SUPPLY UPDATE TOP PLAN FOR WATER SUPPLY, AND WHAT IS ALL THAT? >> WE HAVE A WATER SUPPLY PLAN WHERE THE ST JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS DETERMINED THAT WE ARE WITHIN AN AREA THAT HAS TO PREPARE A WATER SUPPLY PLAN, WHICH ADDRESSES OUR ACTUAL WATER SUPPLY AND HOW WE CONSUME WATER AND WHAT WE DO WITH THE WATER THAT WE'RE TAKING FROM THE AQUIFER. THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS CONSERVATION BASED MEASURES FOR IT? THEN WE HAVE ASSOCIATED COMP PLAN TEXT THAT CORRESPONDS WITH THE ADOPTION OF THAT WATER SUPPLY PLAN. IT IS TIME FOR AN UPDATE TO THAT PLAN. THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS COMPLETED IN 2019. >> IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW MUCH WATER WE'RE TAKING OUT OF THE AQUIFER? >> YES. >> HOW MUCH WE'RE USING, AND WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL FOR FUTURE? >> TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT. >> WHAT'S THE AMOUNT? >> WELL, TO REDUCE OUR CONSUMPTION EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE WE'RE WITHIN AN AREA THAT IS STARTING TO STRUGGLE WITH ITS WATER SUPPLY. >> DO THEY HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MUCH WATER IS AVAILABLE IN THERE FOR US TO TAKE OUT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. >> THE SEVERAL MEETINGS WHERE THEY HAVE ALWAYS SAID, OH, WE HAVE SO MUCH WATER. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT ANYTIME THEY KEEP PUTTING WELLS IN THE GROUND, IT'S A BIG STRAW. >> I WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT TOGETHER AS WE COMPLETE THESE UPDATES. >> BECAUSE THAT DEFINITELY WOULD IMPACT ANY ANNEXATIONS THAT WANT TO TUNE INTO OUR UTILITY PLAN AND WATER SEWER, ALL THAT. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS FOR UTILIZING WASTEWATER, GREEN WATER IN THE FUTURE? >> WITHIN THIS WATER SUPPLY PLAN UPDATE IS NOW A REQUIREMENT THAT WE ADDRESS RECLAIMED WATER, AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT OUT THERE AND AVAILABLE AS AN OPTION FOR CUSTOMERS. >> WOULD REQUIRE ALL NEW PIPES, EVERYTHING ELSE. >> THANKFULLY, OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN PLANNING FOR THIS REQUIREMENT FOR SOME TIME, AND THERE IS SOME PURPLE PIPE IN THE GROUND ALREADY. >> IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY FOR US TO REQUIRE THAT KIND OF PLUMBING TO BE PUT IN ON ANY NEW SITE DEVELOPMENT? >> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. >> AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. HANG ON. WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW FROM THE STATE WATER 2050, THERE CAN BE NO DISCHARGE LIKE INTO THE RIVER. WE DON'T DISCHARGE. YES, WE DO. WE DISCHARGE NOW AFTER TREATED. PARTIALLY. IT'S GRAY WATER. IT IS CLEAN. BUT THE POINT IS, IF YOU DO THE GRAY WATER, YOU'VE GOT THINGS LIKE THE GOLF COURSES ON WHICH ARE GOING TO BE YOUR LARGE CONSUMER, SO YOU CAN CUT DOWN AS A PRETTY STRATEGICALLY LARGE PORTION OF THE CONSUMPTION FROM THE AQUIFERS, BUT I THINK THAT HAS TO BE CRANKED INTO THE OVERALL EQUATION. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS WILL BE DOING. >> COMMENT, MADAM CHAIR. >> SURE. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MARK'S COMMENT, WHICH WAS A GOOD COMMENT. BUT AS PART OF OUR WATER SUPPLY, WE HAVE THIS SERVICE REGION THAT THE CITY LOCKED DOWN THAT THEY'RE THE ONLY PROVIDER WHICH INCLUDES A LOT OF COUNTY OWNED LAND OR NOT COUNTY OWNED, BUT LANDS IN THE COUNTY THAT AREN'T IN THE CITY. IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND PETITIONS FOR OUR WATER, WHICH WE WE HAVE TO FILE AGREEMENTS AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON. WE'RE THEY'RE IN A REGION THAT WE'VE LOCKED DOWN TO BE THE ONLY SUPPLIER. NO ONE ELSE CAN COME IN, WHAT IS SOMEBODY'S RECOURSE? IF WE SAY NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE OUR WATER, YET NOBODY ELSE CAN COME IN AND PROVIDE IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ATTACH TO OUR PLAN AS TO HOW DO THOSE PEOPLE GET WATER. >> THEY WOULD DIG A WELL. >> BUT THEY MAY WANT A MUNICIPAL SUPPLY. [00:55:01] THEY MAY NEED FIRE PROTECTION. THEY MAY NEED A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY CAN'T PROVIDE ON THEIR OWN. >> THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WATER SUPPLY. >> NO. NOT REALLY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL SERVICE MAP IN A REGION. THAT'S ON FILE WITH THE REGIONAL COUNCIL. IT'S GREEN, AND THAT HIGHLIGHTS ALL THE AREAS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE WATER TO. WE'VE LOCKED THEM IN. NO ONE ELSE CAN COME IN AND DIG WELLS AND SUPPLY WATER TO THEM BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THAT TERRITORY. YEAH, WE DENY PEOPLE ACCESS TO IT. >> WE DO. >> WE DO. WELL, THAT WE DENY ANNEXATIONS. WE DENY WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENTS THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. I MEAN, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DENIED AT THE CITY COMMISSION LEVEL, THE ACCESS TO OUR UTILITIES, YET THEY'RE WITHIN THE SERVICE REGION. >> IS THAT A REASON FOR DENIAL? >> NOT A REASON FOR APPROVAL. BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE CAN COME IN AND TAKE OVER THAT TERRITORY. OTHERWISE, WHY CREATE A MAP. WHY PUT IT ON A FILE WITH REGIONAL COUNCIL? >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE A MAP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE WATER UTILITIES EVERY WHICH WAY. >> IT'S BECAUSE WE CONTROL IT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN TO TAKE OVER OUR TERRITORY. >> BUT I GUESS AGAIN, YOU SAY WE HAVE DENIED WITH WITHOUT REASONS OR. >> BECAUSE WE DIDN'T LIKE THE PROJECT. I'M NOT SAYING THIS BOARD HAS, BUT THE CITY [INAUDIBLE]. >> I THINK I REMEMBER ONE CASE WHERE SOME REASON WE DID NOT WANT TO ANNEX THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T. >> A LOT OF TIMES WATER AND SEWER IS THE REASON WE DENY UTILITY CONNECTIONS, AND THAT'S THE REASON IT STOPS. THERE'S WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENTS THAT ARE PROPERTIES THAT CAN'T BE ANNEXED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONTAGIOUS. >> WE'VE GOT THE LITTLE WATER COMPANY DOWN IN THE SOUTH. >> THAT'S THE COUNTY, AND THEN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MAP. IF SOMEONE IS IN OUR LITTLE GREEN AREA AND WE SAY, NO, WE'RE SORRY, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU CAN'T HAVE OUR WATER. I THINK THAT VIOLATES OUR MAP. I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT DISCUSSED WHENEVER IT COMES TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> LET ME SEE THAT MAP. >> IT'S ON FILE. >> THEY GO AHEAD AND DO A POT OF WATER WELL. >> THEY CAN, BUT THEY NEED MORE THAN WHAT THEY WANT A MUNICIPAL SUPPLIER. >> YOU WANT SOMETHING LIKE A COMMERCIAL OPERATOR WHERE THEY NEED TO HAVE A FIRE SUPPLIER. >> PUT MY PROPERTY ON A MAP THAT SAYS, I'M YOUR SUPPLIER. THEN YOU GO, WELL I REALLY DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU REALLY CAN'T. >> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD REASON FOR DENYING IT. >> MAYBE A HIGH DENSITY PROJECT WE DON'T WANT. THERE'S MAYBE A REAL GOOD REASON, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU DON'T HAVE REASONS FOR DENIAL, POTENTIALLY. >> THEN DON'T BE THE SUPPLIER. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE. >> SOMETHING GOING ON WHEN THEY SAY ANNEXATION. >> THERE ARE VOLUNTARY WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENTS THAT HAPPEN FOR LANDS THAT ARE NOT CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY. THAT CAN'T BE ANNEXED. YET THEY WANT MUNICIPAL SERVICES THAT WE HAVE WE SHOWED THEM ON OUR MAP THAT WE'RE THE SUPPLIER. WE THE CITY. WE DENIED THEM ACCESS TO IT. >> I DON'T REMEMBER EVER DOING THAT. >> SURE. >> THERE'S PLENTY OF THE CITY COMMISSION HAVE BEEN DENIED. I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE CONTEMPLATED IN OUR PLAN BECAUSE WHAT'S A PLAN THAT WE JUST PICK AND CHOOSE WINNERS AND LOSE? >> THAT'S TRUE. >> I MEAN, WE HAD STATISTICALLY THE GOAL IF WE GO TO VISION 2045, I THINK BY 2035, WE SAID NO MORE SEPTIC TANKS IN THE CITY. THAT WAS THE COMP PLAN POSITION. THE IDEA WAS, ANYTIME WE HAD AN ANNEXATION COME IN FROM THE COUNTY AND THEY WERE TAKING A WATER THAT WE ELIMINATED ONE MORE SEPTIC TANK. THAT WAS KIND OF CONSIDER THE PLAN. BUT THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OUT PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT FOR ANOTHER SET OF REASONS. I DON'T WANT TO ANOCHE. >> I HAVE TO SEE THE WISE. >> THE REASON WHY WE MAY NOT WANT A PROJECT. THAT AS THEY WANTED TO BUILD 1,000 UNITS. THAT'S EXAGGERATING, BUT WE MAY HAVE THAT. >> BUT TO HIS POINT, IT'S A GOOD ONE IF THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. >> WELL, YEAH. >> I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE WHY WE EVEN CREATE A MAP THAT WE DON'T FOLLOW. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE POINT OF PLANNING AND DOING ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL STUDIES ALL OF A SUDDEN, THREE COMMISSIONERS SAY, I DON'T WANT MARK'S HOTEL. [01:00:02] YOU'RE IN OUR MAP, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT, SO YOU DON'T GET IT. >> WELL, WHO GETS TO PLANT THE FLAG OF WHOSE TURF IT IS? >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOUNDARY START AND STOP, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF COUNTY LAND THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY THAT'S IN IT. >> IT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW FAR AWAY YOU ARE. >> YOU CAN GO UP AND DOWN THE MILL ROAD. THERE'S A TON OF CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THERE THAT'S IN COUNTY OWNED. >> PERHAPS THE CLOSEST PIPE WOULD PROBABLY BE. >> THEY MAY COME TO YOU AND SAY, WELL, I'VE GOT AN ACRE THAT I WANT TO PUT A HOTEL ON IT, SO WE CAN'T STOP THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE CAN SURE DENY WATER AND SEWER. YEAH. I'LL STOP IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'VE DONE. >> WORTHY OF A CONSIDERATION TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> IF WE'RE DOING MAPS AND PLANNING, I THINK SO. >> ALL RIGHT. KELLY, GO AHEAD. >> GOES ALONG WITH SOME OF THE ANNEXATIONS AS TO US HAVING SOME SAY OVER WHAT THEY'D BE ANNEXED AS AS FAR AS ZONING AND LAND USE. BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, IT WAS WHATEVER THE COUNTY HAD THEM AS LAND USE AND PLAYING, THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD COME INTO THE CITY, LIKE IT OR NOT, WHICH WAS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT EVERYONE LIKES A LOT OF PROPERTIES OUT THERE, WE MAY NOT WANT INTO THE CITY UNDER THAT ZONING AND LAND USE. >> I MEAN, KELLY TOLD ME WEREN'T THERE JUST THREE LOTS ON LIKE ADAM'S ROAD OR THAT WAS JUST DENIED UTILITIES BECAUSE THEY COULD DO THREE LOTS INSTEAD OF ONE. I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE TWO MEETINGS AGO, THREE MEETINGS AGO. >> WE THAT GOES DOWN TO DENSITY OF WHAT WE [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT WASN'T DENIED. THERE WASN'T ANY UNDER THIS CURRENT COMMISSION THAT HAD BEEN DENIED. >> THEY MAY HAVE BEEN THE PRIOR ONE, BUT THERE WAS ONE RECENTLY THAT SOMEBODY[OVERLAPPING]. >> THERE WAS A DENIAL, YES. >> FAMILIAR ROAD SOMETHING WASN'T THAT THAT ROAD OFF OF FAMILIAR ROAD? NO. IT WAS SOMEWHERE, BUT THAT WAS MY POINT IS THAT PROPERTY LIED WITHIN OUR MAP. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THEY HAVE TO GO TO A COMMISSION TO ASK FOR WATER IF THEY'RE ON THE MAP. >> THAT'S INTERESTING. >> WE JUST DON'T KNOW WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. >> PART OF THAT, ISN'T THE ANNEXATION AND THE WATER KIND OF. >> I GET THE ANNEXATION PART BECAUSE YOU GOT TO COME INTO THE CITY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON TO DO ALL THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT CONTIGUOUS AND YOU CAN'T ANNEX. WHY AREN'T YOU JUST AFFORDED UTILITIES IF YOU'RE ON THE MAP? DON'T LIKE THE PROJECT. THAT SHOULDN'T BE PART OF IT IF YOU'RE ON THE MAP. BUT ANOTHER PROVIDER COULD COME IN AND SAY, I WANT TO BE A UTILITY COMPANY. I WANT TO SERVICE THIS AREA, AND I WANT TO PUT A WATER PLANT IN THE SEWER PLAN. >> THEY CAN DRILL THEIR OWN WASTEWATER TREATMENT. >> THEY CAN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE CITY IS THE ONLY PROVIDER THAT'S ALLOWED BASED ON THAT APPROVED MAP. >> YOU'RE SAYING A DEVELOPER CAN'T PROVIDE THEIR OWN. >> HE CAN. HE JUST CAN'T BE A MUNICIPAL SUPPLIER AND GET OTHER CUSTOMERS. >> LET'S JUST SAY IT WAS A LARGE PART. THE DEVELOPER COULD GO IN THERE AND THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN UTILITY. >> I'M DONE. I JUST WANTED TO TURN THAT OUT. >> THERE THERE'S A WORK AROUND. IT ALL COMES TO MONEY, THOUGH. I THINK THE ONES I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST. QUITE A FEW DEVELOPERS HAVE PUT IN THEIR OWN WASTEWATER TREATMENT, WATER TREATMENT, ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ANYWHERE CLOSE ENOUGH TO IT. >> BUT IT A LITTLE GUY THAT WANTED TO DO THREE LOTS. THAT'S THE POINT. >> OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF IS TO ADD THAT OTHER SIDE OF THE COMPONENT TO LOOKING AT THE WATER. >> WELL, MAYBE JUST TO STUDY IT MORE. >> YES. TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT AS PART OF THE WATER SUPPLY. >> AND THE IMPACT. >> YEAH. >> GOOD. >> GO BACK TO THIS ADAPTATION PLAN. WHAT ALL WAS INCLUDED IN THAT? WHAT'S THE STATEMENT WORK FOR? >> WHERE ARE YOU AT? >> THE ADOPTION PLAN. >> WE'LL BE DEVISING STRATEGIES TO OVERCOME OUR VULNERABILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED PREVIOUSLY AND DETERMINING WHICH STRATEGIES ARE PALATABLE TO THE COMMUNITY. THEN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER IN THE FORM OF A REPORT THAT WILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW. >> IS MOSTLY STORM WATER? >> IT'S FLOODING. >> FLOODING IN GENERAL. >> YES. >> SO A SEAWALL WOULD BE NUMBER ONE? >> YES. IN OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, YOU HAVE A SPECIAL FOCUS AREA ON DOWNTOWN. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO STUDY. BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH A SEAWALL, I CAN GO DOWN THERE TO HIGH TIDE AND SEE IT COME ACROSS A RAD TRACK. >> AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TIED TO STATE FUNDING THAT ALLOWS US TO THEN APPLY FOR GRANTS TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY FOR THE SEAWALLS. >> FLOODS. [01:05:02] >> THIS IS A COMPANY THAT HAS THE PROFESSIONAL CREDENTIALS IN ORDER TO PRESENT THIS, SO THAT YOU CAN THEN TAKE IT TO GET THOSE GRANTS FOR FURTHER STUDIES? >> EXACTLY. >> IT'S NOT LIKE AN INTERNAL, SAME THING. >> IF IT'S INTERNAL THEN YOU PUTTING YOUR FINGER IN IT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ANY OF THIS? >> I WANTED TO COVER A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS, WITH YOU. >> OKAY. >> WE WILL HAVE SOME ANNEXATIONS MOVING FORWARD. THESE ARE ANNEXATIONS THAT WERE BASED ON WATER AND WASTEWATER AGREEMENTS. THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOME PROPERTIES. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO BRING THEM IN LAST YEAR DUE TO OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION, SO TIMING WISE, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON THEM. THERE IS A PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF BAILEY ROAD THAT WE ANTICIPATE MOVING FORWARD ON. THEN POTENTIALLY, SEVERAL OTHERS ON PINE STREET THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD. YOU'LL SEE THEM GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION INITIALLY FOR WATER WASTEWATER AGREEMENT, BUT WE'LL BUNDLE THEM IN WITH THE BAILEY ROAD ANNEXATION TO BRING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD FIRST. >> WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE? >> APRIL. >> APRIL. OKAY. >> SOME OF THESE THINGS DON'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE US. >> NO. THESE ARE PROBABLY JUST EXISTING UPDATE. THEY'RE JUST PROJECTS SO THAT YOU WILL HAVE AN AWARENESS OF THE RANGE OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY WORKING ON. AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THEM THAT I THOUGHT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN. WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH NASSAU COUNTY ON A PUBLIC SCHOOL CONCURRENCY INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT UPDATE. THIS MAY HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT REQUIRE UPDATES WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M EXAMINING THAT AGAINST OUR CURRENT COMP PLAN TO DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THERE. BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT MOVING FORWARD IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AS WELL AS TO NASSAU COUNTY AND THE OTHER LOCAL JURISDICTIONS IN NASSAU COUNTY. IT IS A JOINT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND NASSAU COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD. THEN, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE POINTED OUT THAT, AND I MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED, INCLUDING IT IN HERE. BUT NEXT YEAR, ACTUALLY IS OUR EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT TIME FRAME. I KNOW MR. BENNETT KNOWS THIS VERY WELL. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXAMINE HOW WELL OUR CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS FUNCTIONING FOR US, AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO IT BASED ON STATE LAW OR COMMUNITY CONDITIONS. >> THIS IS THE YEAR? >> THE YEAR. IT WILL BE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2026 THAT THIS BECOMES DUE. WE'LL START TO DEVISE A PROCESS FOR EXAMINING THAT AND MOVING FORWARD. THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ON YOUR RADAR FOR THE NEXT YEAR. >> THIS YEAR. EVERY FIVE YEARS? >> IT'S EVERY SEVEN YEARS. >> SEVEN YEARS. >> THEN FROM THAT, YOU DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT CHANGES ARE NEEDED, AND THEN YOU GO INTO A TIME FRAME FOR UPDATING YOUR COMP PLAN. I SUSPECT THAT WE'RE DUE FOR A PRETTY GOOD SUBSTANTIAL UPDATE TO OUR COMP PLAN, GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN SINCE 2012 SINCE THE LAST OVERHAUL OF IT. >> IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH CHANGE WE HAVE SEEN IN THOSE SEVEN YEARS IN THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY EXCITING TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT YEAR PROCESS AGAIN. >> I AGREE. I KNOW THIS IS A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE LIST. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FROM THINGS THAT I'VE JUST IDENTIFIED? >> I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE BOARD, I'M SURE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THE PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE UPDATES. IF THERE ARE UPDATES, THEN WE HAVE ORDINANCES. IS PUBLIC ART THE SAME AS CIVIC ART IN YOUR ESTIMATION? >> THE WAY THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT DEFINED PUBLIC ART IS SOMETHING THAT'S TAKING PLACE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. >> ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY INITIATED BY THE CITY? >> CORRECT. >> I SEE. DOES THE CITY HAVE A POLICY OR ANY REGARDING, WE HAVE ORDINANCES. ARE THERE GOALS OR OBJECTIVES RELATED TO PUBLIC ART THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE OR WE'RE JUST SETTING RULES? >> WE HAVE JUST SET RULES UP TO THIS POINT, AND PROCESS FOR REVIEW OF PUBLIC ART. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE WE STILL CONSIDERING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION 103-05-05, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS, PARKING STANDARD, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS WITH THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THE COURT MEETING. [01:10:06] >> I INTENTIONALLY LEFT THOSE OFF. NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PRIORITIES, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING. THERE HAS BEEN WORK DONE TOWARDS THOSE THINGS UP TO THIS POINT WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH. BUT I KNOW THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH SOME PRIORITIES. THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DO HAVE SOME LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT AS STAFF, WE'D LIKE TO TACKLE THAT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THE PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD. I DIDN'T COVER THIS WITHIN THE UPDATE, BUT I KNOW THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT SECTION OF OUR MEETING. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THIS IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE LIST HERE. IT'LL KEEP US BUSY. STAFF BUSY, US BUSY. WE READY TO MOVE ON? EVERYBODY IS OKAY? >> YEAH. [5.1 Follow-up discussion from the January 8, 2025, City Commission and Planning Advisory Board Joint Meeting.] >> THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 5, BOARD BUSINESS 5.1. FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION FROM THE JOINT MEETING WE HAD WITH THE CITY COMMISSION ON JANUARY THE 8TH, 2025. WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET AND WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN IS MY WAY TO COMPARTMENTALIZE WHAT I HEARD AT THAT MEETING IN GENERAL TERMS AND TO ESTABLISH THOSE ARE JUST THE THREE BUCKETS THAT I HEARD. UNDER EACH OF THOSE BUCKETS, IS JUST A VERY BRIEF DEFINITION THAT COMES FROM WHAT ARE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? UNDERNEATH THAT ARE THE PROJECTS THAT I HEARD, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AS THE BOARD ADD TO THIS LIST, IF YOU DON'T SEE YOUR PROJECT ON THE LIST. THEN WHEN WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE ADDRESSED ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE MISSING, THAT WE PICK TWO OR THREE OF THOSE ITEMS, THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THIS YEAR. NOW, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, FOR INSTANCE, UNDER COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, I THINK PARKING STANDARDS CAN COME UNDERNEATH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT DESIGN INCENTIVES, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS, LANDSCAPING, TREE PROTECTION. SOME OF THOSE THINGS CAN FALL UNDERNEATH THAT CATEGORY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I AT LEAST IDENTIFY THE THINGS THAT I HEARD. I'M LEAVING IT UP TO THE BOARD TO THEN ADD TO THIS LIST AND THEN LET'S DISCUSS IF WE'RE READY TO MAYBE MAKE A SELECTION OF SAY, THREE PROJECTS THAT WE WILL WORK ON IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT STAFF IS PRESENTED TO YOU. >> THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS? >> YES. THEY COULD BE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. FOR INSTANCE, DOING PROTECTION. THAT'S A PROJECT ONTO ITSELF. >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE UNDER EACH OF THOSE, THERE'S A LOT PLUS THIS IS A LOT. >> YES. >> WE HAVE TO BE VERY SELECTIVE. >> YES. >> BECAUSE THERE COULD BE CROSSOVERS. >> INDEED. >> OR ELSE YOU WORK FULL TIME, OR RETIRE. >> I'M COVERED OVER THERE. >> WHAT ELSE DID I NOT CAPTURE ON MY REMEMBERING WHAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT AND THAT WERE CONCERNS OR INTEREST OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE INTERESTS AND CONCERNS OF OURS. ANYTHING ELSE? >> I LIKE THE LIST. IT'S GOOD ALL OF THAT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THEY'RE ALL URGENT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TACKLED TODAY, I THINK. I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION TOO WAS, THEY'RE DOING STUFF THAT'S BEFORE THEM TODAY. THEY'RE REACTING TO STUFF THAT COMES TO THEM. MY INTERPRETATION OF SOME OF WHAT THEY WERE SAYING WAS SOMEBODY, MAYBE THE PLANNING BOARD, NEEDS TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT'S NOT BEING DONE. MITCH, YOU TALKED ABOUT STUFF FIVE YEARS OUT. I'M THINKING I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SHE TALKED ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS. I CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOODS. SHE TALKED ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. [01:15:04] I CARE ABOUT THAT. DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT IT MEANS, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. OTHER THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE US TO THINK ABOUT IS I BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE MEETING AND GIVEN THE LITTLE, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, BUT THE E-MAIL WE GOT FROM TRINA, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT HOME RULE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S WORTH SOME THOUGHT TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUSH BACK AND REASSERT OUR ABILITY TO HAVE HOME RULE. ANOTHER THING I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT, AND MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE STATE HAS DETERMINED IT, AND THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO DEVELOP A PHILOSOPHY, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, AND WHAT THAT MEANS, AND WHAT THEY'RE FOR AND HOW THEY AFFECT NOT JUST PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT CITIZENS. >> WELL, WE DO HAVE A SECTION OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE HAD TO ADD A WHOLE SECTION IN ON PROPERTY PROPERTY RIGHTS. BASICALLY, THE BERT HARRIS LEGISLATION THAT CAME TO US. THAT WAS WHAT TWO YEARS AGO, MAYBE. >> MAYBE IT'S TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. >> IT'S NOT VERY LONG. >> IT'S PRETTY BIG. >> IT'S PRETTY BASIC. >> YEAH. >> THE OTHER THING THAT YOU KEEP SEEING THERE AND THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, WE HAVE PARKING. THAT'S GOT TO BE ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING. EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT IT. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? THAT'S, GOD FORBID I SAID THAT, PAID PARKING. BUT ANYWAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE REALLY DON'T. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PARKING FOR A PROJECT, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BEACH PARKING? >> PARKING, THEY'RE STANDING EVERYWHERE. I'M TALKING ABOUT ALL PARKING. >> WELL, WE HAVE RULES IN. >> WELL, YOU'VE GOT RULES TELL YOU ASKED US TO LOOK AT THAT PART OF. >> MR. ASTER, DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS LIST UNDER COMMUNITY CHARACTER, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SOME OF THOSE THOUGHTS. BECAUSE KELLY CAN CAN ADD. THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY'RE NEBULOUS, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF INTERPRETATION. >> YEAH, THEY DO. IF YOU WANT MORE DEFINITION, I CAN GO BACK AND WORK ON THAT AND PROVIDED. MORGAN, DID YOU GET THE LIST OF WHAT I SAID? >> THAT'S NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. >> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU. WELL, MAYBE I WON'T. >> OH, DO PLEASE. I'M SORRY. >> I WILL TELL YOU. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM FOR US ON AN ISLAND, BUT THE THINGS THAT I READ, KELLY CAN TALK ABOUT IT MUCH MORE THOROUGHLY AND INTELLIGENTLY THAN I CAN. BUT WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING ALL THE TIME. WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR LOW. WHEN I SAY PEOPLE IN THE MEDIA, AND I GET IT. PEOPLE NEED SHELTER. THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. BUT HERE ON THIS ISLAND AND IN THIS COMMUNITY, NOBODY TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD. NOBODY TALKS ABOUT A NEED FOR FRIENDS. NOBODY TALKS ABOUT A NEED FOR A COMMUNITY. NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IN THE THEY WANT THE HOUSING, THEY WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SPACES, ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER ABOUT GREEN SPACE OR BLUE SPACE. PEOPLE NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. WE TALK ABOUT A SENSE OF PLACE. KELLY, I THINK I MIGHT BE WRONG ABOUT THIS. I WAS ACTUALLY PREPARING FOR WAFFLE HOUSE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO COME BEFORE US OR NOT. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS SLOPPING ABOUT THAT. I WAS GOING, OH, MAN, I DON'T REALLY WANT THE 2016TH WAFFLE HOUSE, WHICH IS HOW MANY THERE ACTUALLY ARE. >> YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT. >> WHAT? >> THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. >> THAT'S A POPULAR PLACE. >> IT'S A GREAT TIME. >> BACK IN THE DAYS. >> OF THE 2015 OF THEM, I'VE EATEN A 1,000. THEY'RE ALL OVER ATLANTA. BUT ALL THAT TO SAY, I WAS LOOKING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE MENTIONED THERE A SENSE OF PLACE. MAYBE I WAS I DIDN'T LOOK THOROUGHLY. I WAS JUST SKIMMING. BUT I DIDN'T SEE STRATEGIES AND TACTICS FOR DOING IT FOR ACCOMPLISHING IT. AS WE TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS AND DOING THAT, [01:20:02] I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THAT OUT. HOW DO WE DO IT, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY THE BACK OF MY MIND, ASKING ABOUT CIVIC ART. >> WELL, WE NEVER DEFINED WE NEVER DEFINED NEIGHBORHOODS. WE NEVER SAID, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT. >> SURE. NO, ABSOLUTELY. >> THIS IS MY NEIGHBORHOOD. KELLY, DON'T WE IDENTIFY LOOSELY NEIGHBORHOODS? >> YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE HIGHLAND DRIVE OR BEACHES. >> I COULD GENERALLY CREATES SOME. >> LIKE A MINI PARK. >> WHAT I THINK IS A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEN OF COURSE YOU'VE SUBDIVISIONS THAT I THINK IDENTIFY AS THEIR ON NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK ISLAND [OVERLAPPING] SAYS THERE OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. AMELIA PARK IS ITS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, BUT THE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY LIKE NORTH BEACH, I THINK IS ITS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME MID-ISLAND NEIGHBORHOODS, COLLECTIVELY. >> DURING THE DRY THING, THOSE FOLKS WERE IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. WHOLE TOWN COMES IN AND TALKS ABOUT THE STREETS. >> YOU DO HAVE SOME NATURAL ONES THAT EMERGED THAT WE COULD MAP. BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT IS OFFICIAL. >> WELL, WE KNOW WHAT A PUD IS, SO SOMEBODY'S NOT GOING TO SAY, I LIVE IN THAT PUD OVER THERE. I LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE MY FRIENDS AND THEY HAVE A SENSE OF OWNERSHIP. >> BUT THEY HAVE A SENSE OF THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MENTIONED TRAN GALLEY. THEY'RE LOOKING AT A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LOTS OF TREES AND THREE OR FOUR HOUSES. THAT'S GOING TO BECOME 30 HOUSES. THAT'S DOESN'T EQUATE IN THEIR MIND. THAT RUINS THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE GOT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD WENT FROM A LOW DENSITY TO A VERY HIGH DENSITY, THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE OTHER ITEMS. >> A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S HOW PEOPLE PICK WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE. THEY TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND SAY, I LIKE AMELIA PARK, I THINK I'M GOING TO LIVE THERE, OR I LIKE [OVERLAPPING], I LIKE THAT. >> OR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> YEAH. >> MR. DOSTER, YOU THINK WE'VE ADDED A FEW MORE THINGS HERE THAT YOU WERE WANTING TO? >> YEAH. IF MORGAN GOT THEM DOWN, IF SHE DIDN'T, I'LL CORRECT HER. >> OKAY. >> YOU CAPTURED A LOT OF THIS AND WHAT WAS AS I SAID THE PREVIOUS AGENDA, AND THEY'RE ALL EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AS TO DEFINING A NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT BEING A PLACE WHERE KIDS CAN PLAY IN THE STREET AND NOT GET RUN OVER BY THE CARS AS THEY INCREASE THREE FOLD. >> THERE WAS A PART OF A STATEMENT WAS MADE, AND I JUST WROTE DOWN FOUR WORDS, MAINTAIN CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD STRUCTURE OR STRUCTURES. >> I'D LIKE TO ADD ON TO, IF I MAY. SPEAKING ABOUT CHILDREN GETTING RUN OVER. WE NEED COMPLETE STREETS. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I SEE AS A HUGE PRIORITY IN OUR TOWN, ESPECIALLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IT'S REALLY BAD, AND THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. >> SAY THAT. >> COMPLETE STREETS, SO SIDEWALKS, IMPROVING WALKABILITY, MAKING IT SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS AND IMPROVING CYCLISTS. THAT THING. >> BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR A SIDEWALK OR DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> THERE IS A REQUIREMENT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> NOT ON AN INDIVIDUAL HOME SITE. >> SAY THAT? >> NOT ON AN INDIVIDUAL HOME SITE. >> INDIVIDUAL HOME SITE. >> A SUBDIVISION. >> ON A SUBDIVISION? OKAY. CONNECTIVITY. THAT'S ALL THE STUFF THAT OVER THE YEARS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH CONNECTIVITY. WE NEED TO DO MORE, GET RID OF THE CARS, SO IF YOU CAN RIDING BIKE AND WALK IT. MAKE OFF CARD AROUND WITHOUT GETTING RUN OVER. >> I AGREE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE PUDS AS WELL SINCE WE'VE FLUSHED IT OUT. >> WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON PUDS. >> LET'S GET IT DONE. >> I'M I RIGHT? ARE WE PICKING THE ONES WE LIKE ON THAT LIST? >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL COME TO, IS THAT WE'LL COME TO A CONSENSUS THAT WE'LL SAY, FRANCES. WE WANT TO ADDRESS PUD. WE'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF WORK ON IT. LET'S TRY TO GET THAT THING NAILED DOWN AND MOVE THAT ALONG. COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, I THINK HAS SO MANY OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ESCHEW YOU ABOUT IS [01:25:08] THERE IS SO MUCH ELSE GOING ON OFF ISLAND THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF FROM A GROWTH PERSPECTIVE THAT I THINK IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS IF WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT HOW WE EFFICIENTLY REUSE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. IT'S ALREADY COMMERCIAL, THAT'S VACANT AND MAKE IT SO THAT WE BRING IN THAT COMMERCIAL TAX BASE. THE TAXES IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO BE SO HIGH, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE. >> YEAH. >> EVERYTHING IS GOING ON OFF THE ISLAND. >> I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BALANCE. WE'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT WAY. I HAVE, BECAUSE I GREW UP HERE. THE MILLS HAD THAT COMMERCIAL ELEMENT TO IT, AND THEY PROVIDED THAT GREAT TAX BASE AND JOBS. THEN YOU HAD THE RESIDENTIAL. THERE WAS A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO GET THAT OUT OF KILTER. >> NO. >> SO I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAYBE SPEND SOME TIME LOOKING AT THAT SUBJECT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT CAN THEN COME UNDERNEATH IT, WHICH WILL BE THE PARKING STANDARDS. IT COULD EVEN BE LIGHTING, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT CAN ALSO FOLLOW UP UNDERNEATH COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. >> LOOK HOW MANY EMPTY COMMERCIAL STORE FRONTS WE HAVE. >> TRUE. >> WHEN YOU SAY PEOPLE ARE GOING, OH, YEAH, WE'RE GETTING THIS BIG GROCERY STORE, GETTING THIS OFF THE ISLAND. WE'RE GETTING THIS AND THIS. >> IT MAY NOT BE EMPTY, THOUGH. I'LL JUST TELL YOU A QUICK STORY. WHEN WE'D DO APPRAISAL WORK, WE WOULD CALL ALL THE STORE. WHAT'S THE RENT? WHAT'S THAT? THIS IS A STORY THAT DAVID BIO TOLD ME. HE CALLS UP A FOOD LINE STORE. HE SAYS, WE SEE YOU'RE EMPTY. WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR RENT? WE'RE NOT EMPTY. THEY'RE STILL PAYING RENT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THESE PLACES THAT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE THERE'S A TENANT IN THERE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEASES. >> BUT ASSESS FOR LEASE. >> CONTINUE TO PAY LEASES FOR SOME FUTURE REASON, WHATEVER THAT IS. DON'T ASSUME JUST BECAUSE THE LIGHTS AREN'T ON, THAT IT'S EMPTY. >> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT STORES THAT HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS FOR LEASE, OR SO AND SO. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY OF THAT. >> I HAVE. >> WHERE? >> YEAH. THERE'S TWO ON 14TH STREET AND THE POLES ARE THERE. THE LARGE COASTAL FURNITURE, I THINK, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BESIDE IT. >> YEAH. I'VE SEEN THAT TOO. >> IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE-. >> I THINK THAT MR. BENNETT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT IS THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT VISIBLE TO US OTHER THAN IT'S AN EMPTY STOREFRONT. >> SURE. >> WHAT IS KEEPING THAT OWNER OF THAT STOREFRONT FROM BRINGING IN A NEW BUSINESS. BECAUSE A NEW BUSINESS IS GOING TO BRING JOBS. SOME ECONOMIC VITALITY THAT I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS. >> WELL, I KNOW THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE A LEASE, SOMETIMES THE OWNERS ARE USING THEM TO STORE BUILDING SUPPLIES OR THEY'RE USING TO STORE SOMETHING. BUT THAT'S LIKE A LOST. >> YEAH, IT'S JUST STORAGE. >> IT'S JUST STORAGE, BUT IT LOOKS BAD FOR US. >> WHERE ARE WE ON THIS? >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. >> YES. >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF ITEMS ON THIS LIST THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK ON. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE ITEMS AND KNOCK THEM OUT RIGHT FROM THE START. BECAUSE THINGS LIKE PUD, WE ALREADY HAD SOMETHING THAT WENT TO COMMISSION. I THINK WE COULD FURTHER CLARIFY OR FURTHER EXPLAIN THE REASONING BEHIND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE. BUT WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK ALREADY PUT OUT FOR THAT. WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE DID AS WELL THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE PUDS. WHY NOT START WITH THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT FRAMEWORK FOR AND THEN GO FROM THERE? >> PARKING STANDARDS, I THINK, WAS KNOCKED OUT. >> YES. >> WHAT? >> PARKING STANDARDS. >> SECOND. >> LET'S PUT AN ASITRC ON IT. >> WE GOT PLUS. >> THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED WORKING [OVERLAPPING]. >> FOR THE TUNNELS. >> OKAY. [01:30:01] >> FOR THE LIGHTING? >> THE DARK SIDES. >> WELL, THEY HAVE SOME RULES ON THAT ALREADY LIGHTING AND TUNNELS, I'M CERTAIN. WE PASSED THAT YEARS AGO. >> IT NEVER GOT THROUGH THE COMMISSION. >> IT DIDN'T? OKAY. BUT WE HAD RULES ABOUT LIGHTING AND TURNING IT OFF. >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE RULES ABOUT LIGHTING. >> ALL THAT WORK WE DID, IT NEVER GOT TO THAT? >> NO. >> PRETTY MUCH. >> AGAIN, RATHER THAN REINVENT THAT. >> WELL, I WILL SAY THAT DARK SKIES AS A POLICY IS A BIT BROADER THAN JUST PROTECTION FOR ENDANGERED SPECIES. IF THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT THE ENDANGERED SPECIES SIDE, WE CAN DO THAT INDEPENDENTLY, AND THEN DARK SKIES AS A POLICY APPLIED IN A MUCH BROADER SENSE. IT'S ABOUT PARTICULAR LIGHTING FIXTURES AND LUMENS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, HOW THAT LOOKS ON A PARTICULAR SITE. IT'S A BROADER POLICY. IT'S JUST THE EASIEST WAY I CAN FRAME THAT. >> YEAH. BECAUSE THE DARK SKY LOOKS AT VERTICAL LIGHT. >> AND IT APPLIES EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT JUST FOR THE PROTECTION OF ENDANGERED SPECIES. >> YOU HAVE THREE THERE TO START WITH? >> WELL, I'D SAY STOP RIGHT THERE. >> BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THIS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY. >> I THINK DAPHNE'S A GOOD POINT, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS A DANGEROUS POINT, SO WE CAN KNOCK THOSE THREE OUT. SOMEBODY, I FORGET WHO IT WAS. SOMEBODY SAID, WE'LL DO THE EASY STUFF FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DO THE HARD STUFF. IF YOU SAY THAT, YOU'LL NEVER GET TO THE HARD STUFF. MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO THE HARD STUFF FIRST. BUT DAPHNE IS RIGHT, WORK IS DONE ON THIS. BUT I WOULD SAY, GET THEM DONE AND THEN LET'S READ THE HARD ONES. >> COMMERCIAL REDEVELOP. >> CERTAINLY ON THE PUD, IT IS. BUT THE PARKING STANDARDS AFFECTS NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT CERTAINLY THAT COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED SOME OF THAT AMONGST US. ALREADY. I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT AND THEN SEE WHAT THAT IMPACT IS TO THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT SIDE. >> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG PROJECT. >> IT'S A BIG PROJECT. >> I DO. >> I THINK IT'S A BIG HIT BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES SO MANY FUNCTIONS. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TOO WITH THE LOCAL ACT, ESPECIALLY NOW. I AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS A HUGE PRIORITY. >> YEAH. >> BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IN ANY REDEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO ADD IT RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL UNITS. YOU'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT DENSITY AT SOME POINT, AND PARKING, ALL OF THIS STUFF GOES. >> IT GOES UNDERNEATH IT. >> RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REDEVELOP COMMERCIAL UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL AND THEN UNLESS YOU REDUCE THE PARKING. >> BUT IF WE'RE NOT THINKING AHEAD ON THIS AND ESPECIALLY AS COMMERCIAL AND LIVE LOCAL ARE LINKED TOGETHER. IF WE'RE NOT REALLY AWARE OF IT AND UNDERSTAND HOW COMMERCIAL CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN TURN OUT TO BE AN 800 CONDO UNIT, THEN WE'RE MISSING THE BOAT. >> UNDER LOCAL, WHAT ARE WE? THIRTY TWO UNITS OR 36 UNITS TO THE ACRE. >> EIGHTEEN. >> EIGHTEEN. >> UNLESS THEY'D ALREADY STARTED, THEN IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE 36. >> YEAH. WHAT WAS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT? >> CHANGE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT. >> WE CHANGED IT FROM 36. >> TO WHAT? >> EIGHTEEN. >> EIGHTEEN. >> SAME AS SAME AS ON 8TH STREET. >> OKAY. >> I WAS THINKING IT GOT CHANGED TO 30 SOMETHING. >> NO. >> EIGHTEEN. >> IT WAS IT 34 ORIGINALLY DOWNTOWN. >> IT WAS 36 ORIGINALLY. >> THIRTY SIX. OKAY. >> BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS, THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT 14TH AND 15TH STREET WHERE I THINK AT LEAST I WAS A LITTLE FLAT FOOTED WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT WHOLE CONCEPT THAT SAID, OH, WE'RE GOING TO TURN THIS INTO LIVE LOCAL. I WAS LIKE WHAT? I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT A COMMERCIAL PROJECT THAT WAS GOING TO BE BRINGING IN STORES AND EMPLOYMENT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A POSITIVE THING BECAUSE IT REALLY REFLECTED THAT WHOLE AREA. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN TO HEAR THAT THEY WERE THINKING OF LIVE LOCAL? THE IMPACT THAT THAT HAS, [01:35:01] WHICH IS A DIFFERENT IMPACT TO ME THAN RESIDENTIAL, TO COMMERCIAL. I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COMMERCIAL IS IN REDEVELOPMENT AND HOW LIVE LOCAL AFFECTS THAT. >> LIVE LOCAL CAN BE DEVELOPED IN ZONING CATEGORY FOR THE MOST PART. IS THAT RIGHT, NICK? >> NO. >> WHAT WAS IT? >> LIVE LOCAL CAN BE DEVELOPED ON COMMERCIAL USE. >> AND MULTI USE. >> BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO INCENTIVIZE REDEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. IF WE HAVE GOOD INCENTIVES IN PLACE, THEN PEOPLE WILL BE MORE LIKELY TO WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING OUT COMMERCIAL THAN THEY WOULD FOR SOMETHING RESIDENTIAL. >> IF YOU WANT TO BE ANNEXED, WE'LL DO IT AS R2, NOT AS COMMERCIAL. NOW, YOU'VE ALREADY PUT SOME BOUNDARIES OUT IT OR DO IT R1. THEY NEED IT DOWN TO FOUR UNITS OR GREATER. >> THAT'S THE THINKING THAT I WANT US TO GET. >> BUT NOW I TURN AROUND AND I SAY, THAT AREA ON 14TH STREETS ARE RELATIVELY LARGE PARCEL OF LAND, AND IT MAY BE VERY APPROPRIATE TO OFFER SOME COMMERCIAL. BUT HOW DO YOU CONTROL AND BOUND WHAT YOU PUT IN IT? KELLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. >> BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE, IF WE SET IT UP AS A SUBJECT AND WE GO FORWARD WITH IT, STAFF IS GOING TO HELP US START TO DEFINE THIS AND SAY, HERE'S THE IMPACTS, HERE'S THE ISSUES. HERE'S HOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS TO BE PREPARED FOR THE FUTURE. >> WELL, THE COMMISSIONER'S ALREADY MENTIONED COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. >> YES, THEY DID. >> YEAH. >> THEN THAT TO ME IS LIKE, THAT'S ON THE LIST. >> YEAH. >> WE HAVE FOUR. >> WHAT DO WE HAVE, KELLY? >> WE HAVE THE RETURN OF A COUPLE OF ITEMS. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THAT THE PARKING STANDARDS PIECE, YOU NEVER FULLY ADDRESS ALL OF THE ISSUES TIED TO IT, BUT I THINK IT CAN GO UNDER COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. THE TWO STANDARDS THAT WE WANTED TO GET ADOPTED RELATED TO BEAUTY SALONS AND BARBERSHOPS, AS WELL AS MEDICAL OFFICES. I THINK THAT THOSE COULD BE HOPEFULLY CONSIDERED A MINOR AMENDMENT AND BUNDLED TOGETHER WITH SOME OTHER MINOR AMENDMENTS THAT WE CONTEMPLATE. AS LIKE CLEANUP ITEMS OR JUST MINOR CHANGES. MAYBE THAT CAN BE HANDLED AT OUR JUNE MEETING, ALONG WITH POTENTIALLY THE LANDSCAPING, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY ACTUAL CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR LANDSCAPING. >> I REMEMBERED IT. >> THAT MAYBE IF WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN AS A BOARD AND THEN DECIDE THAT SO GOOD IN THE FORM THAT IT WAS BEFORE. BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, THEN WE CAN DO THAT. THE SAME WITH PUDS. LET'S EXAMINE IT AGAIN, DETERMINE IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THERE, HOW WE CAN MAKE THE STAFF ANALYSIS MORE ROBUST TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED PREVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN DIRECTION OR ANYTHING TO BE ADDED INTO THAT. LET'S DO THAT. NOW, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A BIT OF A LONGER CONVERSATION THAN MAYBE LANDSCAPING OR THE TWO MINOR PARKING CHANGES. >> BUT THEN THE OTHER BIG ITEM I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT AND HOW WE TALK ABOUT. THEN THERE'S A RANGE OF POLICIES THAT MAY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS PART OF COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. >> THAT'S HOW I WOULD LOOK AT THAT. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? >> WE'RE THINKING THAT THE ONLY CONCERN ABOUT BRINGING BACK THE PARKING STANDARDS IS, I THINK, THERE'S A SECTION OF THAT, THOUGH, THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDER THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. >> ABSOLUTELY. IT NEEDS BROADER DISCUSSION. >> LOOKING AT THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL PARKING STANDARDS STANDALONE WITHOUT THE IMPACT OF THE COMMERCIAL, I JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT CONNECTIVITY. >> I THINK YOU CAN PUT THEM TOGETHER AND THEN MAKE THE MINOR CHANGES. >> SHOULD WE SAY WE CALL MORE. ALL THE SPACE, THEN WE JUST SAY, [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] GOES WITH IT. >> DEALING WITH PARKING STANDS THAT ROLLS BACK INTO THE COMP PLAN, IS THERE? >> ABSOLUTELY, THERE IS. >> IS THERE? >> OH, YEAH. WE HAVE POLICY INTERACTION. >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE CHANGING OR IS IT BROAD ENOUGH? >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU WANT TO CHANGE. WE WOULD CERTAINLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S IN CONFLICT AS A RESULT OF THE DIRECTION PROVIDED. >> I JUST HAD NEVER SEEN IT. >> YES. IT'S IN CHAPTER 2 OR GOAL 2. >> WE'RE THINKING THAT THE QUICK SUBJECTS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AGAIN [01:40:04] AND MOVE ON OFF OUR PLATE ONTO THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD BE THE SPECIFIC PARKING STANDARDS WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND LANDSCAPING? >> I THOUGHT WE DID LANDSCAPE. >> WE DID LANDSCAPING. >> NO. THERE WAS STILL. >> WAS IT THE NATIVE? [OVERLAPPING] >> WE GOT INTO FLORIDA FRIENDLY. >> IT'S THE FLORIDA FRIENDLY. WHAT A FRIEND LIKE. >> THEY WILL GET RID OF FLORIDA FRIENDLY. IT'S ALMOST DOWN TO COUNTY FRIENDLY. >> THEY WANTED TO ADD NATIVE, WASN'T IT? >> I THINK SO. >> FLORIDA FRIENDLY. >> I THINK JOY SENT US A DOCUMENT ON IT. >> SHE DID. >> WE ADDED TO THAT DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT. IF YOU PULL UP THOSE NOTES, IT SHOULD BE THERE. MY RECOLLECTION IS WE DID EVERYTHING WITH LANDSCAPING THAT EVENING AND WE WERE DONE. >> THAT WAS HOW I FELT ABOUT IT TOO. >> IT WAS REALLY A CLEANUP ORDINANCE. IT WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT TERMS WERE REFLECTED AS WE USE THE RIGHT GROUPS THAT IDENTIFY NON-NATIVE PLANT MATERIALS AND THAT WE HAVE CORRECT REFERENCES. THAT'S REALLY LARGELY WHAT THAT ORDINANCE WAS. >> OFFICE OF USE PARKING STANDARDS. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? >> ARE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ONE 103, 04, 05 AGAIN OR WERE GOING TO IGNORE IT FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. >> I DON'T KNOW. >> $03-405 GOES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S CORE TO THAT CHARACTER IN ALL THESE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OF THE 18 AND 49 OR PLATE THAT YOU HAD EVERY 25 FOOT LOT ON THAT PLAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE DEVELOPED. I DON'T KNOW. HOW MANY LOTS WERE 25 FOOT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> LOOK I TRIED PULLING UP THE PLATE AND I CAN'T EVEN READ IT. ACTUALLY, THE HISTORIAN OVER THE LIFE SENT ME SOMETHING, BUT I CAN'T MAKE IT OUT. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE ALMOST ON EVERY PLATE IT SHOWS YOU HOW MANY LOTS OF EVERY PARTS THAT ARE ON IT. >> MR. BENNETT, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THAT NEEDS A CHANGE, 103, 104, OR FOUR, 1O5? >> I THINK IT NEEDS CLARITY. I'LL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME. I THINK IT'S NOT BEING DONE INTERPRETED THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN. IT WAS VERY CLEAR, AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THAT THAT WERE LOOKED AT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, LOOPHOLE, CALL IT WHATEVER YOU WANT. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU'RE SEEING NOW A BUNCH OF SMALL HOUSES BEING BUILT ON 25 FOOT LOTS. THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WAS TO TAKE THOSE LOTS THAT WERE TWO, THREE, OR FOUR, 25 FOOT LOTS, BUILT WITH ONE PARCEL, ONE HOUSE, AND HAVE THEM BROKEN UP AND BUILD FOUR HOUSES. WE THOUGHT WE HAD TAKEN CARE OF THAT, BUT APPARENTLY WE MISSED SOMETHING. IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS, AND THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL UI PLATE, ALL THOSE 25 FOOT LOTS THAT ARE ON THAT PLATE, AND I WOULD SAY, THERE COULD BE 1,000 OF THEM. I JUST CAN'T TELL. EVERY ONE OF THOSE COULD BE REDEVELOPED UNDER CURRENT WAYS BEING INTERPRETED WITH A NEW HOUSE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT 103, '04, AND '05, I THINK, LAST YEAR OR MAYBE IT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE, THE APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE THINGS BEING PUT ON PAUSE DUE TO THE LANGUAGE NEEDING TO BE CHANGED. HOW ARE THOSE APPLICATIONS BEING HANDLED NOW? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD ANY AS OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS. BUT IF SOMEONE COMES IN, HOW ARE THEY BEING HANDLED? ARE THEY BEING DIRECTED TO GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE THAT IS EXACTLY AS WRITTEN, OR IS IT BEING INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION TO. >> WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CHANGES THAT HAVE COME IN AND THE ENTIRE YEAR. >> IF SOMEONE CAME IN TOMORROW AND WANTED TO PROCESS A MINOR SUBDIVISION ON A LOT WITH A HOUSE BUILT OVER LOT LINES, HOW WOULD THAT BE PROCESSED? >> IF WE GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? >> SAY THAT. RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE ON THIS THING HERE. DIVIDE PARCEL IN TWO LOTS. >> BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT IT'S DIVIDING IT INTO 25 FOOT LOT AND VIOLATING 103, '04, '05. THEY COULD JUST BE DOING 100 FOOT LOT IN AN R2 BACK DOWN IN 250 FOOTS. [01:45:04] WE CAN LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW AND SEE, BUT IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO GO THROUGH A MINOR SUBDIVISION. >> I'LL GO BACK ONE MORE TIME. WHEN YOU LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. NEXT DOOR TO YOU, YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT'S A ROAD LET'S CALL IT 100 BY 100 FOOT. UNDERLINE THAT MAY BE 425 FOOT LOTS, BUT YOU LIVE THERE AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR STREET AND YOU'VE GOT A NICE [INAUDIBLE]. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, SOMEBODY COMES IN AND TEARS THE HOUSE OUT OF THOSE FOUR HOUSES. THAT CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UNDER THE WAY THIS IS BEING INTERPRETED NOW, YES, IT IS. YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD, BUT THEY'RE BUILDING 25 FOOT HOUSES ON THOSE LOTS. >> WITH A VARIANCE. IF A VARIANCE IS APPROVED. >> YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO PREVENT THE SUBDIVISION FROM OCCURRING ALTOGETHER? >> NO. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THE SUBDIVISION. UNDER THE ORIGINAL WAY WE WROTE IT AS A GROUP BACK THEN WAS, AGAIN, WE HAD ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT'S A PARCEL? WELL, EVERY IN OUR MIND AS A PARCEL WAS THE HOUSE YOU LIVE ON, YOU MIGHT HAVE 500 LYING LOTS ON YOUR PARCEL BUT YOU HAD ONE PARCEL. YOUR HOUSE ONE PROPERTY ID NUMBER FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER DATE. I NEXT GOING TO GO CRAZY ON THIS. THAT WAS A WAY TO LOOK AT A NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY HOUSES AND OWNERSHIPS WERE IN THAT LOT, THAT BLOCK. MARY LIVES THERE, HARRY THERE, AND WHATEVER. THAT'S THE WAY WE LOOK AT PARCEL. THAT PARCEL COULD BE FOUR LOT, FIVE LOT, 10 LOTS. THEY ARE NOW TAKING THOSE CAME UP I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE REASON THAT CAME UP ABOUT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, IF IT WAS ON THE LOT OR WHATEVER. BUT ESSENTIALLY, WE DETERMINED AND CONCLUDED THAT THAT WAS ONE PARCEL NOT TO BE DISTURBED, HAD TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO DO ANYTHING. THAT GOT CHANGED 15 YEARS AGO. >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT NEEDS TO CHANGE OR IT DOESN'T NEED TO CHANGE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER, AND IF THAT'S FIRST THROUGH THEIR SUBMISSIONS. >> I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A 25 FOOT LOT CAN BE DEVELOPED. THE REASON THAT WAS PUT IN THERE WAS THAT WE KNEW THAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT JUST 125 FOOT LOT AND NOT TO TAKE AWAY THEIR PROPERTY RIGHTS THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT 25 FOOT LOT. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED THAT EVERY 25 FOOT LOT HAD THE RIGHT TO BE DEVELOPED. ONE LATEST TO SOLVE IT THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IS THAT IF A 25 FOOT LOT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY COMBINED IN A PARCEL BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, IT CANNOT BE SPLIT UP WITHOUT GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> COULD I ADD A CAVEAT BECAUSE I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. IT'S HAPPENED TO ME MANY TIMES WHEN I ACTUALLY WORKED FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHERE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER DOESN'T CHECK WITH THE CITY TO SEE IF SOMETHING CAN BE COMBINED FOR SPLIT OR ANYTHING? >> I'M SURE THEY NEVER DID. >> WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY WILL DO IT, AND IT'S NOT ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED LEGALLY BY THE CITY AND JUST A REGULAR PROPERTY OWNER DID IT. IN THAT CASE, YOU'RE LEGALLY BINDING THAT PROPERTY OWNER OR THE FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER FOREVER TO THAT WHEN IT WAS NEVER LEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF WE'RE GOING JUST BASED OFF OF WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'M JUST GETTING A CAVEAT THERE. >> IN ORDER TO MOVE US ALONG HERE CAN WE PUT A STAR NEXT TO 103, '04 AND '5. LET'S PUT A STAR NEXT TO THAT. >> THAT'S ALL I'M AFTER. >> START. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO. YOU JUST WENT TO THAT. >> YOU READ THEM ALL. >> WE JUST GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF MY FATHER-IN-LAW'S HOUSE ON FIRST AVENUE, SO ON FIVE LOTS. USE FOUR LOTS, ONE LOT IS VACANT. TECHNICALLY, THE WAY THEY WERE GOING, HE COULD SELL THE 25 FOOT LOT SINCE THERE WAS NOTHING ON IT, NEVER HAD BEEN NOTHING IMPROVED AND HAVE A 25 FOOT LOT DOWN ON FIRST AVENUE, FOUR BLOCKS NORTH OF THE GOLF COURSE IN AN AREA NOW THAT'S GOT MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES ON. IT'S INAPPROPRIATE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE INVESTMENT OF [01:50:03] OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MADE TO LET THEM HAPPEN IT. >> THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] THE ANSWER. PART OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER IS WHAT I SEE WHEN I BOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT I GET, AND THAT'S WHAT I GET TO KEEP. HAVING WHOLE REDEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF UNDERLYING 25 FOOT. WHEN PEOPLE BUY THESE PROPERTIES, THEY DON'T THINK OF HOW MANY UNDERLYING LOTS THERE ARE. THEY'RE BUYING 1016 SOUTH 9TH STREET OR WHATEVER. WHATEVER THAT IS THAT'S GOT A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF IT. >> WHY DON'T WE JUST GET RID OF 25 FOOT LOT ALLOWANCE ALTOGETHER? THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT SOLVES A LOT OF ISSUES. >> AGAIN, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE 25 FOOT WAS SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE BOUGHT A SINGLE 25 FOOT LOT, AND WE REALLY CAN'T TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO DEVELOP THAT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DID. I WOULD GET MOST PEOPLE. THE WAY THE CITY DEVELOPED IS THEY DIDN'T DEVELOP 25 FOOT LOTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD COMBINE THEM AND THEY GOT 100 BY 100 FOOT LOT. >> HAVE LOTS OF NON-CONFORMING ISSUES. >> EXACTLY. YES, I'D LIKE TO GET RID OF. WE ESSENTIALLY GOT RID OF 25 FOOT LOTS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY HAVING A MINIMUM OF 50 FOOT, WASN'T IT? HERE AGAIN, ONLY HAVE 50 FOOT LOTS, MINIMUM. ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE DOING 25 FOOT LOTS, AND YOU CAN SEE THEM AROUND. YOU CAN SEE THEM AROUND 9TH STREET. >> I'M GOING TO CUT YOU OFF. I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE US ALONG. >> LET'S DEFINE THE END OBJECTIVE AND THEY WE'RE BACKWARDS. >> WE HAVE PUT A STAR. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> WELL, THAT'S WHY SHE'S HERE. WE'VE GOT A STAR ON 103, '04 AND '5. WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK THE PUD. WE'RE GOING TO GO AND TAKE A DEEP DIVE ON COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF ASPECTS. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO THROW AWAY THIS LIST. >> NO. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH. LET'S GET A PLAN OF ACTION FOR THIS YEAR FOR STAFF. LET'S HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. IF BRINGING BACK THE MEDICAL OFFICE AND BEAUTY SALON. IS THAT A QUICK TURNAROUND? >> YES. >> IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND. >> WHY ARE WE BRINGING THAT UP? >> QUICK TURNAROUND. >> IT JUST NEVER GOT VOTED ON BY THE CITY. I THINK [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT'S DONE. >> WE GOT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. >> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. >> IT'S A MINOR MINUTE AMENDMENT. >> IT'S AN EIGHT MINUTE DISCUSSION. [LAUGHTER] >> FIRST COMING MORE TIME NOW [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT'S THE FUNNIEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD. >> THEN THE FLORIDA FRIENDLY HAS TO DO WITH LANDSCAPING, AND THAT'S A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND. WE COULD GET THAT OFF OUR LIST. >> WE TAKE IT FLORIDA FRIENDLY. >> BUT THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE TIME IS THE 103, '04 AND THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT. >> WE GOT BROADER ISSUES WITH THE PUS. >> WELL, SHE'S GOT A STAR NEXT TO THAT ONE, TOO. >> I THINK THOSE ARE DOABLE. >> WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? >> I THINK SO. >> LET'S JUST DISCUSS PUZZ. >> LET'S GET IT DONE. MR. JETT, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THIS? >> YES, I'M UP FOR IT. >> WHAT? >> WHATEVER YOU SAID. >> WE RECORDED WHEN YOU WEREN'T HERE. >> DOES THIS GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION? >> YES. THANK YOU. >> GOOD. >> OKAY. >> YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE? YES, NO? >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE IT ON MOTION. I THINK WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS. >> THIS IS GOOD. >> THIS IS THE DIRECTION. AND ONCE WE KNOCK OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, MAYBE WE MIGHT HAVE TIME THIS YEAR TO GO INTO A FEW MORE OF THESE THINGS. BUT I WILL ALSO SAY, DESIGN INCENTIVES, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS, PARKING, TREAT PROTECTION IS ALL GOING TO GO UP UNDERNEATH OR HAVE DISCUSSION UNDER COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, AND IT COULD ALSO BE PART OF THE PLAN. >> SHOULD WE HAVE A WORKSHOP? >> WE COULD? >> WE CAN. >> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP. >> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING EVERY DAY IF YOU WANT TO. >> AND HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ONCE STAFF TAKES THIS AND GETS IT ORGANIZED IN THEIR WORKFLOW, KELLY, CAN YOU START TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN LET'S DECIDE WHAT THINGS MAYBE NEED A WORKSHOP TO WORK THEM THROUGH? OR CAN WE DO IT DURING OUR REGULAR MEETING IF IT'S GOING TO BE, PRETTY CONCISE. [01:55:02] >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY WORKSHOP AT 03:00 A.M. >> I WOULD DECLARE. >> AIM FOR THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] YES. I AGREE. >> BACK AND FORTH AND TALK. >> I AGREE. I LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO, IS WE'LL START TO WORKSHOP SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. WE'LL MOVE THEM FORWARD AND GET THEM OFF OUR CALENDAR AND MOVE THEM ON TO OTHERS. >> GREAT. >> WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT? >> YEAH. >> I WILL SAY ON THESE LITTLE CLEANUP ONES, I'M NOT GOING TO BRING THEM BACK TO YOU UNTIL JUNE AS PART OF OUR TWICE-YEAR UPDATES. WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMING, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THEM FORMALLY AGAIN UNTIL JUNE. TO RUN THEM THROUGH THAT NORMAL CYCLE. >> SO THOSE THROUGH THE COMMISSION ALL IS ONE BUNDLE? >> YES. >> OKAY. ONE BIG BILL. >> I CAN SEPARATE IT FOR THEM IF THEY'D LIKE TO DIGEST IT INDEPENDENTLY, BUT FOR YOU GUYS, I'M GOING TO BRING IT TO YOU ALL AT ONCE IN JUNE. I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS THAT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AS PART OF SOME CHANGES THEY'RE SAYING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINE THAT WILL TRANSLATE INTO AMENDMENTS. THAT MAY ALSO GET BUNDLED AND BROUGHT TO YOU IN JUNE, FOR YOUR AWARENESS. >> ALL RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU THINK, HERE IT IS IT FEBRUARY, SO FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, MAY, JUNE. WE HAVE FOUR MONTHS BEFORE ALL OF THOSE. DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THE PUD? AS FAR AS BRINGING THAT TO US TO MOVE FORWARD. >> CERTAINLY. I THINK IF YOU HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THAT JUST TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON CHANGES YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE TO THAT FIRST BEFORE IT'S BROUGHT FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IF YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR IDEAS THAT YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE BY E-MAIL TO US TO INCORPORATE, AND THEN WE CAN UPDATE THE DRAFTS AND THEN BRING IT BACK THAT WAY FOR BOARD DISCUSSION OR HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE TO HANDLE THAT. IF YOU ARE TURNING IT AROUND EXACTLY AS IT IS, WE CAN PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA JUNE. >> WE DIDN'T SET THE DATE YET, DID WE? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> WE GOT A LIST OF COMMISSIONER ROSS'S COMMENTS? >> WELL, WE JUST NEED TO SEE THE VIDEO. GO BACK TO THE VIDEO. >> YOU ANSWER IS NO. GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. >> NO. I'M HOPING FOR THAT. >> I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE PRINTED. I HOPE NOT. >> SORRY. >> I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY NOTES AND SEE IF I HAVE THOSE NOTES. >> I THINK FROM WHAT I HEARD JUST IN THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT THEY WANTED MORE EXPLANATION THAT THEY FELT THAT WHAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD WAS NOT EXPLAINED OR VALIDATED ENOUGH TO WARRANT APPROVAL. >> THAT'S SAD. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT. >> WELL, I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN ISSUE. THEY COULDN'T ACCEPT IT WITHOUT AN EXPLANATION. >> I THINK ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES IS THAT CURRENTLY WE HAVE FIVE ACRES. WE WENT TO ZERO. THEY'RE HAVING WHIPLASH. WHY? WHAT'S THE DEAL HERE? YEAH.>> I THINK WE COULD DEFINITELY EXPLAIN IT BETTER. >> I THINK WE NEED TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER. >> I AGREE. >> WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING? >> I THINK THAT IF WE CAN BRING THE PLAY BACK AS A PROJECT, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A WORKSHOP. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT EVERY FOURTH WEDNESDAY RESERVED FOR THE YEAR, SO IF WE DO THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND BLOCK THEM OUT FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, THEN WE'LL USE THEM AS REQUIRED. >> AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT PUD EVERY TIME. >> STEPH, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTION? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? >> WHICH WOULD DO YOU LIKE TO TACKLE FIRST? >> YOU WANT TO HANDLE PUD FIRST, FOLKS? >> LET'S DO IT. >> NICK. >> YEAH, I'M READY. >> LET'S HANDLE THE PUD SUBJECT FIRST. >> PLEASE. >> I SECOND. >> BECAUSE I THINK I CAN MOVE ALONG. >> I THINK SO TOO. >> I THOUGHT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE LANDSCAPING THING FIRST. >> THOSE ARE INDEPENDENT, AND THEY'RE COMING TO IN JUNE. >> THOSE ARE INDEPENDENT, AND THEY'LL COME TO US IN JUNE. >> BECAUSE THEY'RE MINOR AMENDMENTS. >> OKAY. >> THAT WAS ONE THAT IS COMING BACK IN JUNE. >> THE QUESTION, DO YOU WANT TO DO A WORKSHOP ON 26TH OF FEBRUARY? >> THAT IS ALREADY RESERVED. >> IS WHAT? >> IT'S ALREADY BOOKED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. >> IT'S BOOKED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. >> OKAY. >> DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH, FOR A REGULAR MEETING? >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> THAT WOULD BE A PERFECT TIME TO DO IT THEN. >> YEAH. >> PUT IT ON THERE. >> OKAY. >> THAT'D BE MARCH 12TH. IF YOU WANT TO DO A BACKUP, MARCH 26TH. >> WHAT DATE? >> YOU DOING MARCH 12? >> YEAH. >> THREE O'CLOCK? >> NO. WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO FOR REGULAR MEETING TIME, DON'T YOU THINK? >> THE 12TH IS A REGULAR PAB MEETING. >> OH, OKAY. >> COMING EARLIER HURTS THE PUBLIC INPUT. [02:00:04] >> WE'LL TALK ABOUT PUD AT A REGULAR MEETING? >> YEAH. >> THE 26TH WOULD BE-. >> A FALLBACK. >> FALLBACK, YEAH. YEAH. >> THE 26TH WILL BE A WORKSHOP? >> NO. >> WE'RE NOT SIGNING UP ANYTHING. >> RESERVE IT, RIGHT NOW. >> WE'RE HAVING TWO MEETINGS, NOW? >> NO. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE MEETING, WHICH IS OUR REGULAR MEETING, MARCH THE 12TH. IF WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HAVING A WORKSHOP ON THE 26TH. >> JUST PUT QUESTION MARK, PUT THE MARK PAV WORKSHOP. DO IT FIVE TO SEVEN OR WHATEVER? >> THE 12TH? >> THE 26TH. >> WE'LL MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT? >> YES. >> YEAH. WE'LL HAVE TO. SHE'S GOT TO ADVERTISE IT ANYWAY, IF WE MAY WILL BE ON THE 12TH. >> KELLY, WILL WE BE VOTING ON THAT ON THE 12TH? >> NO. THIS IS JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> I'M NOT RE ADVERTISING THIS UNTIL YOU ARE READY. >> SO, A REGULAR MEETING ON THE 12TH. PERIOD FOR NOW? >> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT OUR WORK PLAN FOR THE NEXT MONTH OR SO THEN KELLY'S GOING TO BE PACKAGING ALL THESE MINOR AMENDMENTS TOGETHER FOR US, FOR OUR REVIEW IN JUNE. >> YES. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU RECEIVE UPDATES SO THAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT ALL AT ONCE. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> LOOK AT A WEEK BEFORE. >> YES. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> COULD I ADD ONE SMALL THING TO THIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE. MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN SHOW ME WHERE IT'S AT. THE ADDITION OF USER FRIENDLY LANGUAGE AND PICTURES TO COMMUNICATE THINGS IN OUR CODE THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY. >> WE DID. YEAH. >> JUST ACROSS THE BOARD OR? >> I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD. WE COULD SEGMENT IT WHERE WE NEED TO, BUT I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD SHOULD DEFINITELY BE SOMETHING. >> WE REQUIRE SOME FUNDING THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE. UNLESS YOU'RE MAKING THE CHANGES AND WE'RE ADDING IN GRAPHICS AS WE GO THROUGH THESE, THAT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. BUT IF IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD, TIED TO OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, THAT THING, WE WILL HAVE TO BUDGET. >> WE CAN DO IT THE OTHER WAY. I'M FINE WITH EITHER. >> AS WE'RE MAKING CHANGES, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE A THOUGHT THAT WE CARRY FORWARD THROUGH ALL OF THIS. >> A COUPLE OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A COMP PLANNED EVOLUTION AND A LDC REVOLUTION OR EVOLUTION, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT. >> ARE YOU TRYING TO ADD TO THIS LIST? >> I'M JUST TELLING YOU WE'VE ALREADY HAD IT ON TWO OTHER LISTS IN THE PAST. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE PUT IT ON THE STATE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT THE WAY YOU CAN SEARCH THINGS IN OUR COMP PLAN AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ONLINE? >> NO. I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR REVISIONS THAT WOULD HELP TO SUPPORT USER-FRIENDLINESS, ADDING IN GRAPHICS, MODIFYING HOW WE CURRENTLY CONSUME THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HOW IT'S ORGANIZED. BUT WE REALLY NEED SOME DEDICATED FUNDING IN ORDER TO DO THAT. >> COULD YOU THEN, MAYBE THAT'S ON THE BIG LIST THAT SAYS CONCEPTUALLY? >> YES. WE REALLY WOULD NEED SOME ADVOCACY FROM THE BOARD TO SUPPORT THAT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET CYCLE. >> WE WOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT 26TH FOR THAT THING. >> YES. >> MAYBE DURING THIS YEAR, YOU CAN GIVE US SOME OVERALL 30,000-FOOT LEVEL DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE STARTED TO PULL ALL THAT TOGETHER. >> ALL OF THAT IS LARGELY DONE. WE NEED A TEAM OF PEOPLE TO COME IN AND HELP REORGANIZE, PUT IT TOGETHER, ADD IN THE GRAPHICS. >> BUT WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. AN OVERHAUL OF THE SCARY THINGS. >> IT NEEDS ABOUT $300,000. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, $300,000. >> HOW MUCH? >> THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. >> ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO GO ON THIS LIST? I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME PERFECT PROJECTS TO GET DONE QUICKLY AND THEN SOME ONES THAT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAT WE CAN START TO DELVE INTO. BUT ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE DONE? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. LET'S SEE. [5.2 Election of Chair and Vice Chair] FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION, 5.2. [02:05:04] >> I'M GOING BACK TO THE AGENDA FOR YOU. >> YES. GO BACK TO THE AGENDA. ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY'S THOUGHTS ARE, BUT I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE THAT IF NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT, I'LL DO IT AGAIN. I'M PUTTING MYSELF OUT THERE. >> I WAS TOLD SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO YEARS. >> I CHECKED WITH OUR STAFF RIGHT BEFORE LISTENING. >> THEY LIED TO ME. >> NO. WE MODIFIED THAT SECTION OF CODE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. >> SO THERE YOU ARE. >> WELL, I THINK THERE'S INTENT BEHIND THAT LOGIC BECAUSE I THINK YOU NEED NEW BLOOD AT THE TOP ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE CYCLING. I THINK. >> I'M FINE. BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STEP UP. >> USUALLY ON THE BOARDS THAT I'VE BEEN ON, THE VICE CHAIR IS A VICE CHAIR FOR A REASON BECAUSE HE STEPS INTO THE CHAIRMAN ROLE. THEN YOU ELECT A NEW A NEW VICE CHAIR THAT WOULD TAKE OVER THAT POSITION THE NEXT TERM. I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BORDER COUNTY, AND THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR. I WAS IN AND I WAS OUT. I KNEW I WAS OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS A VICE CHAIR THAT KNEW HE OR SHE WAS IN. >> THE VICE CHAIR CANNOT TAKE OVER THIS YEAR BECAUSE I MAY BE GONE FOR TWO MONTHS. BECAUSE OF FAMILY. SORRY, THAT IS COMING UP. >> I'M WILLING TO DO IT. IF. >> I'M JUST GOING TO NOMINATE YOU. >> I'M FINE. >> I NOMINATE BOARD MEMBER DOSTER TO DO IT. >> YEAH. I'LL NOMINATE HIM TOO. >> I'LL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'VE HAD A NOMINATION OF MEMBER DOSTER FOR CHAIR. WHO MADE THE MOTION? >> I DID. >> MOTION, AND THE SECOND IS FROM MR. BENNETT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED, NAY SIGN. THE MOTION IS APPROVED. >> I NOMINATE DAPHNE AS VICE CHAIR. >> SECOND. >> DOES DAPHNE WANT TO? HAS SHE ACCEPTED? >> YES, I WOULD BE HONORED. THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR VICE CHAIR. WHO NOMINATED? >> I'LL SECOND THAT TOE. >> MARK IS GOING TO SECOND IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED LIKE SIGN. HEARING NONE. CONGRATULATIONS, DAPHNE. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU HAVE BEEN MADE, VICE CHAIR. >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE FANTASTIC LEADERSHIP. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT OUR UPCOMING YEAR BY GOING AHEAD AND GETTING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS LINED UP. I THINK WE KNOW THOSE THINGS WHERE WE NEED TO BE. >> MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. >> MY PLEASURE. I LOOK FORWARD BEING A VALUED MEMBER OF THE BOARD. SUPPORTING MR. CHAIR AND MISS VICE CHAIR ANY WAY I CAN. >> THANK YOU. >> EXCELLENT. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? [6. PUBLIC COMMENT] ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? MARGARET? >> OR YOU WANT TO BE CHAIRMAN? >> YEAH, I WOULD. >> YOU'RE THE VICE VICE CHAIR? >> NO. MARGARET KIRK 11377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CONSERVE NASSAU, I WAS NOT PLANNING ON SPEAKING AT ALL, BUT MARK GOT ME ALL EXCITED, SO HERE WE GO. I AM NOT FULL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, OR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING WITH THE UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD. I THINK THIS COMES UP EVERY 20 MINUTES, AND HAS BEEN UP ABOUT EVERY 20 MINUTES SINCE I'VE STARTED COMING TO THESE MEETINGS. WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. EXACTLY THE EXAMPLE THAT MARK GAVE. IT IS NOT JUST THAT WHEN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS DEVELOPED AND WITH ALL THE UNDERLYING LOTS, THAT IT'S GOING TO RUIN YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND CHOP THE HELL OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY VALUES. BUT IT IS ALSO GOING TO IMPACT THE LEVEL OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION YOU HAVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE FLOODING MORE THAN YOU HAVE NOW. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. WE NOW HAVE OR WE ALMOST HAVE A PRETTY GOOD INPUT REGARDING VULNERABILITY AND THE RESULTS OF THAT AND FINAL RESULTS WILL BE COMING FAIRLY SOON. [02:10:05] THE COUNTY HAS THAT ALSO, AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE AS MUCH DATA, AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE AS WE CAN ABOUT OUR TOPOGRAPHY, ABOUT OUR HYDROLOGY, WHAT IT CAN TOLERATE, WHAT IT CAN'T TOLERATE, WHAT WE CAN DO AND CAN'T DO WITHOUT SACRIFICING THE WHOLE CITY AND THE WHOLE ISLAND, JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO PUT UP, ROW HOUSES OR SOMETHING. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. WE HAVE ALREADY PROJECTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE WEATHER AND THE CLIMATE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT THIS WEEK. WHAT MASSIVE RAIN WE'RE GOING TO GET IN THE FUTURE. WE NEED TO PUT ALL OF THIS STUFF TOGETHER, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO GO INTO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO GO INTO OUR LDC. AS WE CAN, WE NEED TO PUT OTHER THINGS IN THERE THAT NEED TO GO IN THERE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE WHATEVER SUSTAINABILITY WE CAN MANAGE AND THAT WE HAVE WHATEVER RESILIENCE WE CAN MANAGE. I'LL SHUT UP. >> THANK YOU, MARGARET. >> THANK YOU. >> WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOU. ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD? HEARING NONE, WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.