Feb 04, 2025 Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> AT EVENING, FOLKS. WELCOME TO OUR FEBRUARY 4TH CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH COMMISSIONER MEETING. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

AND NOW WE WILL HAVE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY VICE MAYOR.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR INDICATION LED BY REVEREND OF

>> THANK YOU. LET US PRAY. WE COME TO THE GIVE THANKS TO YOU FOR ALL THINGS. THANK YOU GOD FOR YOUR BLESSINGS AND YOUR KEEPING POWER IN YOUR SAVING GRACE. GOD WE THANK YOU FOR HOW YOU HAVE BLESSED OUR CITY IN SO MANY WAYS. WE THANK YOU FOR EACH CITIZEN AND WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE ELECTED OFFICERS WHO WILL LEAD US AND GUIDE US IN THE ENDEAVOR MEANT OF OUR CITY. I PRAY YOUR CONTINUED BLESSINGS ON OUR CITY AND BLESS ALL OF OUR PEOPLES IN THE NAME OF JESUS. KEEP A SAFE FROM THE ENEMY AND

[4.1 NASSAU HUMANE SOCIETY - Nassau Humane Society Executive Director Chantal Scherer will present the "City Commission Dog of the Month."]

>> AMEN. >> PLEASE BE SEATED. AND STARTING US OFF WE HAVE OUR HUMANE SOCIETY REPRESENTATIVE HAVING A SEVERED DOG OF THE MONTH.

>> HI, EVERYBODY. THIS MONTH I HAVE SIMON WITH ME. SIMON IS A LITTLE SCARED AT THE MOMENT BUT SIMON IS A BEAGLE LABRADOR CROSS. HE'S BEEN WITH US FOR LITTLE OVER A WEEK AND HE CAME FROM A KILL SHELTER. WE RESCUE FROM KILL SHELTERS WHENEVER WE HAVE EMPTY KENNELS AND HIM AND HIS BROTHER, THEODORE , CAME.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TOGETHER BUT THEY CAN DO. THEY GET ALONG VERY WELL. HE IS A YEAR AND A HALF AND HE IS A VERY GOOD BOY.

DAVE KISSES ALL THE WAY FROM THE SHELTER TO HEAR. HE WOULD LOVE

TO FIND A NEW HOME. >> AND IF ANYBODY WANTED TO ADOPT HIM TODAY OR TOMORROW, HOW COULD THEY DO THAT?

>> THE BEST WAYS TO COME ON OUT TO THE SHELTER. IT'S ACROSS FROM THE AIRPORT. 639 AIRPORT ROAD OR YOU CAN VISIT THE ANIMALS ONLINE AT NASSAU HUMANE.ORG. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CATS AND DOGS. WE HAVE 150 ANIMALS.

[4.2 AIRPORT - NONAERONAUTICAL PROPERTY USE REQUEST - Paddock Club Amelia Island, Inc. representative will provide a luxury garage development presentation]

>> GO ON DOWN AND SEE IF YOUR NEW PET IS FINDING YOU OR IF YOU FIND IT. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. GOODBYE. >> ALL RIGHT. HEY,, AND FILL

YOUR PAPERWORK. >> IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR.

>> THANK YOU, MISS CAMPBELL. NEXT UP WE HAVE 4.2 ARE AIRPORT PRESENTATION FOR NON-AERONAUTICAL PROPERTY USE REQUEST. I BELIEVE MR.

UP AND TAKE US THROUGH THAT ONE. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

I'M YOUR AIRPORT MANAGER FOR THE FERNANDINA BEACH MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. THIS PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IS A PRESENTATION REGARDING AN APPLICATION THE AIRPORT IS RECEIVED FOR NON-AVIATION PROPERTY USE. TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT AIRPORTS, SPECIFICALLY YOUR AIRPORT IS FEDERALLY ALLOCATED PROPERTY. IT'S UPDATED FOR AERONAUTICAL USE. THEY DO ALLOW FOR CERTAIN NON-AVIATION USES FOR THE PURPOSE OF GENERATING REVENUE WITH FAA APPROVAL STILL REQUIRED . A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE YOU THE -- THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU A PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSAL APPLICATION PROVIDED TO THE AIRPORT. THIS DISCUSSION STARTED WITH THE PREVIOUS AIRPORT DIRECTOR. I'M CARRYING THAT APPLICATION THROUGH TO THE CITY COMMISSION. I'VE PROVIDED A STAFF REPORT IN THE PACKET FOR THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO THERE AND MAYBE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE GROUP IN HERE IS GIVE THE RULES OF THE ROAD FOR NON-AVIATION USE OF AIRPORT PROPERTY. YOU KNOW THE FEDERAL OBLIGATIONS THAT RELATE TO AERONAUTICAL USE BUT IF YOU WERE TO USE PROPERTY FOR NON-AVIATION USES ONE, IT REQUIRES LEASE OF THE PROPERTY AT FAIR MARKET VALUE. IT REQUIRES THE APPROVAL OF THE FAA. WHEN THEY LOOK AT THAT THEY WANT TO CONFIRM YOUR NON-AVIATION USE OF THE PROPERTY WILL NOT INHIBIT AERONAUTICAL USE WITHIN THE FORESEEABLE TERM OF THAT LEASE AND THEN THAT USE AND THE TERM IS APPROVED BY THE FAA AS IT RELATES TO OBLIGATIONS OF THE PROPERTY AS I EXPLAINED IN THE LETTER SINCE IT IS NON-AVIATION USE THERE IS NO GRAND ASSURANCE PROTECTION OF THE APPLICANT LIKE IT THERE WOULD BE WITH NAUTICAL PROPERTY USERS. IF I WERE BRINGING YOU AND NAUTICAL APPLICATION WITH

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>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> WHAT IS THE REVENUE SITUATION FOR THE AIRPORT? IS IT REVENUE POSITIVE , NEUTRAL, NEGATIVE?

>> IT OPERATES IN THE BLACK. IT'S A PROFITABLE ENTERPRISE FOR THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS. LAST YEAR AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR OPERATING REVENUE, IF YOU EXCLUDE GRANT REVENUE FOR CAPITAL, OUR OPERATING REVENUE FROM FEES, CHARGES RATES AND CHARGES IS ABOUT 1.18 MILLION.

OUR OPERATING EXPENSES INCLUDING DEBT SERVICES AROUND 60 $700,000. THE REMAINING PROFIT OVER THE TOP IS USUALLY USED TO MATCH. THEY HAVE A -- I DID FAIL TO MENTION JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, I DID PUT IN THE LETTER IT PREDATES SOME OF YOU ON THE COMMISSION NOW. THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT PLACING T HANGERS FOR USE AND THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THAT THAT WAS PROPOSER NON-AVIATION STORAGE. AIRPORTS IN THE PROCESS WITH THE FAA RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT'S DELAYED THAT. THERE'S A SEPARATE APPLICATION PENDING FOR THE SAME USE. THE LAST PIECE, I THINK RELATING TO YOUR QUESTION OR ONE STEP FURTHER IS SINCE THIS IS NON-AVIATION THIS APPLICATION IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU BEFORE WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO NEGOTIATE A LEASE, SEEK APPRAISAL AND WE THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE GROUP TO BE RESPECTFUL OF TIME AND EXPENSES NOT HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET AN APPRAISAL IF FOR SOME REASON THE COMMISSION DID NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSAL. IF IT'S AN AERONAUTICAL PROPOSAL WE SHOULD BRING THAT TO YOU. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT

PROCESS. >> ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS IT MORE LIKELY THAN NOT IS IT TO PROVE NON-AERONAUTICAL USES THAT'S BECAUSE THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT FEASIBLE AT ANY POINT OR IS IT JUST THAT THERE IS NOT ANY IMMEDIATE COMPETITIVE NEED AND AS YOU MENTIONED FOR AT LEAST FOR THE

FORESEEABLE FUTURE. >> THAT'S THE KEY. WHEN YOU BRING A PROPOSAL A WILL LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF A PROPERTY AND DETERMINE IF FOR THE LEASE IT IS LIKELY THAT YOU WILL HAVE AERONAUTICAL DEMAND FOR USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO, THIS USE AND THE PURPOSE FUTURE THAT WOULD FACTOR INTO THE REPORT OF THE PROCESS. THERE'S A PUBLIC PROCESS WHEN YOU REQUEST THAT SCOTT A LAND-USE CHANGE. NON-AVIATION USE WILL GET PUBLISHED IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN COME ON FOR THE FAA CONSIDERATION AS WELL. IT'S A FAIRLY ROBUST PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.

>> I THINK YOU PARTLY ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION. WHAT QUALIFIES HOW YOU WILL FIND THAT NEED IN 20 YEARS OR 30 YEARS AND SO ON

AND SO FORTH. >> GENERALLY WHAT YOU DO IS WHEN WE ARE COMPLETING AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN OR A MASTER PLAN INSIDE THE MASTER PLAN THERE IS AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND WE LOOK AT THE AIRPORTS PROPERTY. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PLAN THERE IS A SPECIFIC SHEET CALLED AND AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND YOU WILL SEE EXISTING USES AND YOU SEE CONTEMPLATED FUTURE USES. SOME OF THOSE MAY SAY FUTURE NON-IN -- AVIATION . YOU MAY NOT USE IT FOR AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES. SOME OF THEM YOU'LL SEE HANGERS ON THERE WHERE WE ARE TO SPEEDING YOU CAN PUT HANGERS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT'S ON THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN. YOU'RE JUST SHOWING THE FAA AND AGREEMENT, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE 10 TO 20 YEAR PERIOD AND THEY ARE AGREEING WITH THAT BY ADOPTING YOUR PLAN. THANK YOU.

>> VICE MAYOR, >> A LEVER FOR THE PRESENTATION

BUT IT'S BEEN FAA APPROVED? >> IT HAS NOT. BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS LONG AND TAKES PARTICIPATION IT'S BEST TO GIVE THE PRESENTATION TO YOU AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE INTEREST MOVING FORWARD AND THAT'S A REQUEST FROM THE COMMISSION. IS THERE INTEREST IN MOVING FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATION AND GETTING APPRAISALS OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AFTER YOU DO THE APPLICATION AND WE HAVE A VERY REGIMENTED PROCESS FOR BRINGING APPLICATIONS THROUGH. THE AIRPORT HAS MINIMUM STANDARDS AND IT OUTLINES AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR AERONAUTICAL AND AVIATION SALTS FOLLOWING THAT PROCESS WHEN WE RECEIVE AN APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF A PARCEL IS USED FOR NON-AERONAUTICAL PURPOSES AND THEN SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD DEEMED THAT AN AERONAUTICAL USE IS NEEDED THERE, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING STRUCTURES OR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE PROPERTY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD BEEN?

>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION, EVEN ON THE AERONAUTICAL SIDE.

SO, THE EXPECTATION OF THE FAA IS WHEN YOU LEASE THE PROPERTY

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THERE IS GENERALLY TWO OPTIONS. YOU CAN HAVE A REVERSION CLAUSE.

THE REVERSIONARY CLAUSE WOULD REQUIRE THE LESSEE TO GRANT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LESSOR AT THE END OF THE LEASE. TWO, YOU COULD HAVE A PROVISION THAT STATES YOU WANT ALESSI TO COME IN AND RETURN THE PROPERTY TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE WHICH WOULD REMOVE EVERYTHING. REMOVING THE FACILITIES, MAKE SURE IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEAN, NOT LEAVING ANYTHING BEHIND. THE FAA EXPECTS THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY WANT TO HAPPEN IN THE LEASE BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE OF THE TWO. LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED SO IT'S VERY CLEAR. THEY WILL GET THAT WHEN YOU SEND THE DRAFT

AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER?

>> SO, CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN QUESTION AND WHAT IS IT AND I KNOW YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN

QUESTION. >> YES, MA'AM. YOU BET. I PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, THANK YOU, CHASE. IT'S IN THE PACKET.

THERE'S A SUBJECT PARCEL PICTURE. THIS IS OFF OF JAMESTOWN ROAD. IF YOU'RE TRAVELING ON THE PARKWAYS, YOU KNOW WHERE THE CITY GOLF COURSE SIGN IS, GOING TO VIA DEL RAY.

ACROSS THE STREET TURN RIGHT YOU HAD AN AIRPORT FENCE. THERE'S A ROAD TO A CUL-DE-SAC ON THE AIRPORT SIDE. THIS PARCEL IS THE TREE PARCEL AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE. I PROVIDED A

PHOTO OF THAT IN THE PACKET. >> TODAY THE PARCEL IS COMPLETELY TREED. AND THE POND AND THE SURROUNDING PARCEL IS

NOT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT IS. >>'S OUT THERE IS A RETAINAGE POND SHOWN ON THE IMAGE. SOUTH OF THAT POND SEVERAL YEARS AGO THE CITY PLACED THAT PROPERTY INTO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.

THAT IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE TOUCHED.

>> OKAY. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I THINK WE WILL HAVE A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'LL BE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM IF YOU HAVE

MORE QUESTIONS. >> THE PICTURE ON THE SCREEN, THAT'S THE SECOND PARTIAL -- PARCEL.

>> THESE ARE COUPLE OF RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT. THIS IS HELPFUL FOR REFERENCE.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORD,

PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS CHASE EDWARDS AND I'M HERE WITH THE

>> THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT, SO, THANK YOU, ALL, FOR ALLOWING US TO COME TODAY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BUILD UP TO THIS POINT AND GETTING TO THIS POINT IS GREAT FOR US. AM JOINED HERE BY COUPLE OF PEOPLE I WANT TO POINT OUT. WE HAVE CHUCK ROSENBLUM IN THE BACK WAS A PROJECT MANAGER WITH OUR GROUP AND HAS BEEN FOR FOUR YEARS. AND JASON WHO IS THE PRINCIPLE OF DESIGN FOR STUDIO NINE WHO WILL BE BUILDING FOR US. EXCITING TO HAVE THEM HERE WITH US TODAY. I WILL START A LITTLE BIT WITH THE CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS IS TO DESCRIBE IT AND THEN WE CAN GO IN MORE DEAIL. SOME OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE TRADITIONAL COMPLEX THAT OFFERS RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS AND IT HAS SOME TYPE OF A CLUBHOUSE IN A COMMON AREA SPACE. SO, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THAT CONCEPT BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ARE JUST FOCUSING ON STORAGE.

SO, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE WOULD COME IN AND WE WOULD LEASE THIS ROOM AND WE WOULD BUILD THE STRUCTURE AND WE WOULD ACTUALLY SELL INDIVIDUAL CONDOS AND THEY WOULD SELL THESE FROM THE MASTER ASSOCIATION THAT PUT ON THE LAND. SOME OF IT WOULD COME IN AND PURCHASE A 1250 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. 25 BY 50. THEY HAVE A LARGE ENTRY GARAGE DOOR AND HAS A MAN DOOR ENTRANCE. WHAT WE ARE SELLING AS A BASE MODEL IS ESSENTIALLY A SHELL. INSIDE OF THAT INSULATED GARAGE YOU WILL FULLY INSULATED INTERIOR. THIS IS THE BLOCK STRUCTURE AND YOU WOULD HAVE DRYWALL ON EITHER SIDE. YOU WOULD HAVE AIR CONDITIONING , ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS, ET CETERA. THE FUN PART OF THIS AND WHAT WE OFTEN SEE WITH THIS CROWD IS ANYONE WHO WANTS TO STORE A BOAT, CAR, RV, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE SPACES, WE WILL OFTEN TRICK THEM OUT TO SOME VERSION OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE. THIS IS ONE RENDITION OF WHAT A FULLY CUSTOMIZED INTERIOR MAY LOOK LIKE. SOMETHING LIKE A CAR LIFT, SOME TYPE OF TOOL BENCH OR WORK AREA, A BATHROOM WHICH COULD BE TUCKED INTO THIS CORNER .

UPSTAIRS IS A MEZZANINE ALSO AN OPTION WITH SOME TYPE OF WHAT BAR LOUNGE SPACE, ET CETERA. SHE SHED, MAN CAVE, A LOT OF TERMS

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BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE GATED AND ALSO HAVE A CLUBHOUSE THE CLUBHOUSE WOULD HAVE, LIKE, SOME TYPE OF A CATERING KITCHEN IN IT, ALLOWING SPACE, A COVERED AREA WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMMUNAL EVENTS IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT. BUT IT REALLY, KIND OF, BECOMES A CONCEPT. ON SATURDAYS PEOPLE HAVE GARAGE IS OPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH FOR PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR TOYS, IF YOU WILL AND IT HELPS BUILD A COMMUNITY. WHY MERELY ISLANDS? TO CATER TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE COLLECTIONS BUT ALSO SPECIFICALLY AT THE AIRPORT FOCUSING ON THE AMELIA. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM WINTER PARK.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMON COURSE. THIS IS VERY COMPLEMENTARY TO THAT EVENT IT'S HERE AND ALSO TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IS ALREADY IN FERNANDINA BEACH. SO, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRODUCTS . WE HAVE BEEN REALLY GRATEFUL FOR NATHAN'S ASSISTANCE COMING THROUGH TO THIS POINT. WE HAVE ALSO ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE REVIEW COMMITTEE ON THE FIRST STEPS AND HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND FEEL THAT THIS IS VERY FEASIBLE. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS UNANIMOUS WITH SEVEN VOTES. WE WERE ALSO VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE PRODUCT IS AND WHAT WE ARE GOING FOR AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A PLAN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU. IF YOU COULD SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT. WE WILL STOP ON THIS AND IF WE COULD MOVE TO THE LEFT. AS WE MENTIONED, YOU OF THE JAMESTOWN ROAD ENTRANCE THAT COMES HERE ALONG THE BOTTOM AND GOES UP INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC. THE TWO AXIS ROADS THAT ACTUALLY GET TO THIS AREA ARE THIS AND LYNDALE ROAD. LYNDALE ROAD DOES HAVE A PROTECTED -- PERPETUAL EASEMENT. WE DO CONSIDER BOTH OPTIONS. HAVING AN APPROACH THAT COMES IN WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC REALLY LENDS ITSELF WELL TO LARGE VEHICLES IN TERMS OF TURNING RADIUS IS AND ACCESSES AND RESPECTIVE THINGS GIVEN THAT THERE IS A GATE AND SECURITY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DEAL WITH WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE FELT LIKE THIS MIGHT BE THE POINT OF LEAST RESISTANCE IN TERMS OF DESIGNING THIS. AS NATHAN AND I HAD DISCUSSED, THERE IS A GATE THAT IS AT THE ROAD AND WE WILL NEED TO ADDRESS HOW WE SECURE THIS SEPARATE FROM THE AIRPORT PROPERTIES. WE PUT FORTH HAVING THE DISCUSSION OF PARTNERING IN TERMS OF PUTTING SOME TYPE OF FENCING OR SYSTEM IN THAT MAKES IT SO THAT THE AIRPORT IS STILL SECURE FROM PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE COMING AND GOING IN AND OUT OF THIS PARCEL. JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW, YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE THAT COMES IN THROUGH A GATE. AS YOU APPROACH, YOU COME DOWN. THIS SECTION HERE SAYS COVERED WASH AREA. THAT'S AN AREA INTENDED FOR SOMEONE TO DO A QUICK EXTERIOR WASH, TO PUMP OUT AN RV OR BOAT, TO FILL A WATER STATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THERE WILL BE, OF COURSE, SOME TYPE OF COLLECTION SYSTEM FOR DEBRIS AND WATER SO THERE'S NO TYPE OF CONTAINMENTS AND THEN THESE ARE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES AND A CLUBHOUSE AND WHAT WE FIND IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF 62 FEET OF CLEARANCE HERE AND 50 HERE. YOUR LONGEST RV IS MAYBE 45 FEET. JUST TO GIVE YOU REFERENCE, SOME MIGHT SAY THAT THE PARKING SCENE IS LIGHT FOR WHAT THE PRODUCT IS BUT WHAT WE FIND IS MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY ARRIVE THEY PULL INTO THEIR UNIT. OR THEY PARK ON THE OUTSIDE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WOULD NOT BUILD TO LEAVE YOUR CAR UNATTENDED IN CASE SOMEONE NEEDED TO USE THE SPACE TO TRAVERSE AROUND. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD DISCUSSED THE CAME OUT WITH THE MEETING IS PREMEDICATION. COMING FROM THE PARK ANOTHER PROUD TREE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD DISCUSSED HIS THOUGH THERE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPMENT ON THE POND PARCEL ONE THING WE MAY CONSIDER IS ACTUALLY LEASING ADDITIONAL LAND SO WE CAN DO THE TREE MITIGATION IN A WAY THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE OPEN TO WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. FOR NOW, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A PARCEL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, I COULD GO INTO MORE DETAIL BUT THAT IS, KIND OF, THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? >> SO, WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUT

THIS ON AIRPORT PROPERTY? >> SO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,

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SOMEONE THAT IS FLYING IN AND OUT THAT HAS A PLANE THAT MAY NOT HAVE HANGAR SPACE OR MAY NOT HAVE INTENT TO HAVE A HANGAR SPACE. THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY FIND THE BENEFIT FROM BEING ABLE TO GO FROM THERE PLANE TO WHERE THEY HAVE A CAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THE AMELIA SHOW AS THEY LINE UP ON THE RUNWAY THIS WOULD BE A SPACE OF COMPLEMENT THAT SHOW. IT WOULD BE A SPACE THAT WOULD INCORPORATE PART OF THE SHOW AT SOME POINT. WE FELT LIKE THE AIRPORT MADE SENSE. THE LEASE TERMS WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, THERE IS A LOT TO BE DETERMINED FOR THAT. WE ARE HOPING FOR THE 40+ TYPE OF TERM AND WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS ORIGINALLY WAS SAM AND NATHAN WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE FOR THE LONG-TERM, NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT FUNCTION OR BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE LONG TERM. ONCE THESE ARE INDIVIDUALLY OWNED, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WANT TO KEEP THEM NICE.

THE ASSOCIATION WILL CONTROL THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NICE AND IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT COULD STAY ON AIRPORT PROPERTY AND BE A REVENUE SOURCE FOR A LONG TIME.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO CUT DOWN THREE ACRES OF TREES.

>> CORRECT. >> COMPLETELY. GONE. THREE ACRES

OF TREES, GONE. >> UNDERSTOOD. YET. THERE WILL BE PARTS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE FROM THE SITE PLAN, THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT CAN ABSOLUTELY STILL BE TREES. THE INTERIOR COMPONENT OF IT IS A COMPONENT THAT IS DIFFICULT WITH LARGE VEHICLES FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. AND MY MENTIONED, ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD WE SCROLL UP A LITTLE BIT? LET'S GO UP A LITTLE BIT FARTHER. LITTLE BIT MORE. MIGHT BE LOADING, I THINK. YEAH. CAN WE ZOOM OUT? GREAT. YEAH. THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER LOOK. ESSENTIALLY WE HAD A BOUNDARY SURVEY DONE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AND OUR INTENT WAS TO DO THE FULL ACRES BUT ONCE WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WE SHIFTED TO A MUCH SMALLER DEVELOPMENT.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE TREE MITIGATION CONCERN, IF WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS PARCEL, AS MENTIONED, WE WOULD BE OPENING TO CONSIDERING LEASING MORE SPACE TO ADD TREES AS NEEDED.

>> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PROPERTY OVER THERE OWNED BY PRIVATE OWNERS OF LYNDALE. THERE IS ACRES. THIS COULD, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD GO ON. WHILE IT IS CERTAINLY AN INTERESTING PROJECT, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT IS OF VALUE TO THE AIRPORT AND TO THE CITY AT THIS POINT IN

TIME. >> OKAY.

>> ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A STATEMENT. WHEN WERE READY FOR THAT.

>> YEAH, SO, BEING THAT THIS IS IN KEEPING WITH ONE OF OUR UPCOMING AGENDA ITEMS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE CAN LEAVE IT AS COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION. THAT'S IN THE FUTURE OF THE AGENDA? I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT WE WILL HAVE SOME COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION HERE WITH THIS AS WELL AND IF YOU HAVE A

STATEMENT, PLEASE. >> NO, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS ANOTHER PLAN LIKE THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO ON AIRPORT PROPERTY THAT HAD NO TREES ON IT AND WE KNOW THIS COMMUNITY LOVES OUR TREES AND TO COME AND CLEAR CUT THREE ACRES OF TREES FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WON'T LIVE HERE, I DON'T SEE -- WELL, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF IT. CUTTING TO THE CHASE. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE BENEFITS ARE . OUR AIRPORT DOES VERY WELL. IT'S THE ONLY ENTERPRISE BUSINESS THAT IS FLUSH WITH CASH AND I CANNOT SEE THE BENEFIT OF CUTTING DOWN 3 1/2 ACRES OF

TREES FOR ADULT TOYS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, TO HIS POINT, IS THERE ANOTHER ADJACENT LOT THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE CLEARCUTTING THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED?

>> NO. NOT THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AT THIS POINT. IT IS INTERESTING IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE PIECE THAT'S NOT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT HAPPENS TO BE THE ONE THAT'S MOST DENSELY

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IF THAT WAS REVERSED OR THAT WAS AN OPTION THAT CAN BE A CONSIDERATION BUT TRYING TO REVERSE OR WE IDENTIFY SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR CHANGE THE EASEMENT CAN BE CHALLENGING. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TREES, THEN THE REVERSE IS BETTER. I KNOW THE FEL HAS PROPOSED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS BEFORE AND THEY'VE GONE TO THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL HANGERS AND STORAGE. THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONCEPT THAN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PRESENT WHERE YOU ARE FOCUSING ON A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE THAT COME TOGETHER.

RESPECTFULLY, TO YOUR POINT, I WOULD DISAGREE. I THINK A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL OWN THESE WILL BE AMELIA ISLAND RESIDENTS THAT HAVE THIS COLLECTION AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO GO AND COMMUNE TOGETHER. ON AMELIA ISLAND. OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT OTHER PARCELS.

>> WHY DON'T PERSONALLY AS A BUSINESS OWNER WANT TO STIFLE PRICES -- PRIVATE BUSINESS ENTERPRISE I HAVE TO ECHO THE SENTIMENT FOR CLEARCUTTING IF THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL

AVAILABLE. >> YES, I AGREE. I MEAN, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GREAT BUT I DO THINK THE CITY HAS QUITE A FEW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE SET FOR REDEVELOPMENT ON EIGHTH STREET ON SATTLER AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD ECHO, I DO NOT SUPPORT CLEARCUTTING THREE ACRES OF TREES. AND WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING ISSUES IN THE CENTER PART OF THE ISLAND AND OUR CURRENT TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY ARE NOT ADEQUATE AND PLANTING, REPLACING, YOU KNOW, HALF THE -- ABSORBS A FRACTION OF THE WATER THAN A MATURE TREE DOES . SO, GIVEN THAT THIS IS NOT AN AERONAUTICAL USE AND THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, AND IT'S 44 HANGERS, SO, MAYBE TWO PEOPLE ON THEM, DEVELOPERS, MAYBE 100 PEOPLE BENEFIT FROM THIS BUT THERE'S 13,000 RESIDENTS IN THE CITY AND THEY ALL ARE BENEFITING FROM THE WORK THAT THOSE THREE ACRES OF TREES ARE DOING FOR US FOR FREE. SO, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS

PROJECT. NOT HERE. >> ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS? I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. WE WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND A BETTER PARCEL OF LAND BUT OTHERWISE WE WELCOME THE CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE.

>> OKAY. GREAT. THANKS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SHALL WE LEAVE

[5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

>> GREAT. >> AFTER 4.2 THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE. PUBLIC COTTAM -- COMMENT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. AVOID CALLING OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE AND PLEASE ALLOW EVERYONE TO HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES. OUR FIRST UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS COMMENT AND TWO AGENDA ITEMS. DID YOU WANT TO POSTPONE TO

THAT? >> YES.

>> NEXT UP, MR. PETE STEPHENSON. >> PETE STEPHENSON. I'M GOING TO TALK ON TWO SUBJECTS. THE FIRST ONE IS I HAVE OFTEN MENTIONED THE TERM FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, ALL RIGHT? I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU AND HOPEFULLY IN 50 WORDS OR LESS WHY THIS COMMUNITY IS SO SPECIAL. LAST SATURDAY WE HAD 100 PACKING EVENTS FOR MEALS AT THE REC CENTER. 300 CITIZENS FROM AROUND THE AREA SHOWED UP . IN AN HOUR AND 35 MINUTES THEY PACKED 41,000 MEALS THAT ARE GOING TO GO TO CHILDREN , BASICALLY THE UNDER 12 CATEGORY OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF FOOD INSECURITY . THAT WAS ALL DONE BY CITIZENS, MOST OF WHOM NEVER HAD SEEN EACH OTHER BEFORE IN A MATTER OF ABOUT 10 MINUTES THEY ARE PRODUCING OVER 400 MEALS A MINUTE. SO, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CITY FOR A JOB WELL DONE. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO. WATERFRONT. WE ARE GOING INTO 21 YEARS SINCE THE WATERFRONT HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA OF THIS COMMUNITY BURIED

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THEY WENT THROUGH AND THEY DID A GOOD PORTION OF THE YEAR AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN. WE'RE STILL USING THE PLAN. IT STILL WORKS. IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT PLAN. IT HAD A SCHEDULE. IT HAD A CRITERIA. AND IT HAD BASICALLY A SEQUENCE THAT WAS GOING TO BE REQUIRED. I SAY WE NEED SOMEBODY NOW, NOT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, NOT THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT NOW AND LET'S GET SOMEBODY WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO DO IT FOR FREE. THIS IS GOING TO BE CONTROVERSIAL BUT I'M GOING TO THROW IT OUT ON THE TABLE AND IT'S UP TO THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE. WE HAVE AN X CITY MANAGER, CHIP ROSS, WHO KNOWS WHAT THAT WATERFRONT NEEDS AND I DON'T CARE. YOU MAY NOT LOVE HIM BUT RIGHT NOW HE COULD BE ON BOARD. HE IS OFFERED HIS SERVICES FREE OF COST TO THE CITY . IF WE CAN GET HIM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO DO THAT, IT AT LEAST GET THIS OFF THE GROUND AND HOPEFULLY WE GET ONE PLAN. I WANT TO PLAN THE FIXES THE WHOLE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT PORT AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ONE SOLUTION THAT COVERS THE WHOLE WATERFRONT AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BUILDINGS OVER ON AS FAR EAST AS SECOND STREET. THEY ARE IN JEOPARDY AND SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET BEYOND THE POINT WHERE IT'S ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE TO REPLACE OR REPLAY THE BUILDINGS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE TEAR DOWNS. THEY CAN ONLY GO SO LONG. THE STRESS OF THEM FROM THE SALTWATER INTRUSION AND SO ON AND THE FOUNDATION CONTINUES TO GROW. IT DOESN'T GROW SINGULARLY AND IT DOESN'T GROW IN A STRAIGHT LINE. IT'S EXPONENTIALLY WORSE. I'M JUST SAYING. COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE CONSIDER MAYBE DOING SOMETHING TO GET SOMEBODY UP , POINT PERSON IMMEDIATELY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. STEVENSON. NEXT UP WE HAVE CHRISTINE.

>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MY NAME IS CHRISTINE. I LIVE AT 901 ATLANTIC AVENUE AND I'M ON A BIT OF A RANT ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT.

>> JUST A SECOND, MA'AM. >> ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO ON A SUNDAY, THE SUNDAY BEFORE WE HAD THE GREAT SNOW, I BELIEVE IT WAS

THE 19TH -- >>

>> WE NOTICED SOME NOISE COME FROM NEXT-DOOR. WE LIVE NEXT TO THE BIG WHITE HOUSE ON ATLANTIC AVENUE ACROSS FROM THE OLD SCHOOLHOUSE AND WE NOTICED THAT WE HAD NOISE. IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS COMING FROM THE BASEMENT. IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEBODY BUSTING UP CONCRETE. THIS WAS ON A SUNDAY. OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS THESE PEOPLE SHOWED UP. WE HAD A BIG DUMPSTER SHOW UP WHICH I A PICTURE OF THAT TOO AND WE ALSO HAD AN AIR COMPRESSOR SHOW UP.

WE DIDN'T HAVE SHOW UP AS CODE ENFORCEMENT UNTIL WE CALLED THEM AFTER IT HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR TWO WEEKS. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THEIR DRAINAGE, THEY WERE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE DRAINAGE. THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM FOR SOME OF YOU THAT KNOW HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR US ALSO BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GETTING THE BRUNT OF THE STORM WATER. 909 ATLANTIC EVER SINCE THEY FILLED IN THE PROPERTY IN 2012. HER WHOLE BACKYARD IS UNUSABLE AND IT'S ON THE VERGE OF BEING DECLARED A WETLAND WHICH WAS ONCE HIGH AND DRY PROPERTY. WE HAD PERMISSION TO PUT IN THE DRIVEWAY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE CAN'T USE IT. IT'S SOPPING WET. YOU CAN'T WALK BACK THERE UNLESS YOU HAVE BOOTS ON NEVERMIND PARK THE CAR.

RECENTLY, MY HUSBAND ORDERED ONE LOAD OF FILL DIRT AND HE STARTED PUTTING IT A LITTLE BIT OF FILL DIRT AND THE NEXT THING WE KNOW CODE ENFORCEMENT SHUT US DOWN. WE DID NOT HAVE A PERMIT. SO, WE HAD A BIG MEETING WITH KELLY AND ANDRE AND MICHELLE AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE COULD NOT APPLY FOR A PERMIT UNTIL WE GOT A TOPOGRAPHICAL WETLANDS STUDY WHICH COSTS A BUNCH OF MONEY.

JUST TO PUT SOME DIRT INTO OUR APPROVED DRIVEWAY IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. THE STIRRER WAS NOWHERE NEAR THE PROPERTY AT 909. IT WOULD NOT BE IMPEDING THEIR WATER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM BUT SOMEBODY MADE A PHONE CALL. SO, THIS PROJECT

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE MISS KELLY YATES. THERE'S ONLY ONE MORE AND I USUALLY PUT CITY RESIDENCE BEFORE NON-CITY RESIDENTS. WE HAVE MR. KEVIN

ALLEN. >> APPRECIATE THAT.

>> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS KEVIN ALLEN. I'M A THIRD-GENERATION LOCAL ALTHOUGH NOT A CITY RESIDENCE. 1627 CLINCH DRIVE. I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF ABOUT THREE DOZEN LOW-SPEED VEHICLE OWNERS , SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE QUOTE UNQUOTE PEDESTRIAN BIKE PATH THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE OF LIME STREET AND EIGHTH STREET. IT'S ACROSS FROM THE WELCOME TO THE FERNANDINA BEACH SIGN. RIGHT ABOUT THE TIME WE DID THE WELCOME TO FERNANDINA BEACH SIGN WHICH BY THE WAY LOOKS AMAZING, THEY PUT IN A PATH ACROSS THE STREET THERE. IF YOU ARE COMING IN , FOUR-LANE, REDUCES TO TWO LANES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AREA TO THE LEFT THERE. THIS IS LIME STREET AND EIGHTH STREET IS ONE OF THE MORE DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS FROM TRUCKS. I WOULD PUT THE GEIGER ROAD INTERSECTION, THE NEXT SLIDE DOWN AND OF COURSE THE BIG INTERSECTION . FIVE POINTS IS PROBABLY THE TOP THREE FOR THOSE. IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. LOW-SPEED VEHICLES, SOME OF YOU REFER TO THEM AS GOLF CARTS BUT THEY HAVE A LEGAL DEFINITION. THEY ARE RESTRICTED TO 25 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS. THEY ARE ALLOWED ON ANY POSTED SPEED LIMIT ROAD OF 35 MILES PER HOUR OR LESS AND THEY ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO CROSS STREETS. FOR EXAMPLE, I MENTIONED GEIGER ROAD. THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CROSS THE FOUR-LANE TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE. CLINCH DRIVE , OF COURSE, PARALLELS EIGHTH STREET, AS YOU ALL KNOW AND THAT IS A CORPS DOOR FOR MOST OF THE LOW-SPEED VEHICLES COMING AS FAR DOWN AS AMELIA ROAD MAYBE EVEN AS FAR DOWN AS AIRPORT. THE INTENT OF CLINCH DRIVE IS 30 MILES PER HOUR BUT IT KEEPS THE MALL OFF OF THE ROAD. SO, WHEN THIS PATH WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN IT WAS FOR PARTS , BIKES, PEDESTRIANS AND ABOUT TWO MONTHS LATER SOMEBODY DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES ONLY AND THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH POLICE BEGIN WRITING TICKETS TO LOW-SPEED VEHICLE OWNERS FOR USING THAT PATH. IT'S VERY WIDE. IT'S ALMOST 10 FEET WIDE. IT'S AT LEAST EIGHT FEET WIDE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PEDESTRIAN AND ONLY SEEN BICYCLES ON A HANDFUL OF OCCASIONS. THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS WE ARE FORCED TO PULL OUT ONTO EIGHTH STREET, MAKE A LEFT TURN AND DRIVE RIGHT UP EIGHTH STREET BECAUSE WE ARE PROHIBITED FROM USING THAT PATH AND GOING UP SEVENTH STREET WHICH WOULD KEEP US OFF THE STREET COMPLETELY.

EVERYONE I'VE TALKED TO WOULD PREFER TO DO THAT AS WITH THE

VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. >> THANK YOU, MR. ALLEN.

>> I IMPLORE YOU TO REVERSE THE DECISION.

>> THANK YOU. MR. PAUL LORI? >> HI. GOOD EVENING. PAUL LORI.

FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THANKS FOR THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THINGS THAT ARE ALWAYS ON OUR MIND. I JUST HEARD A COMMENT ON THE LAST PRESENTATION FOR THE AIRPORT THAT SPARKED ME AND THEN ANYTHING COMING UP HERE AND I FIGURED I WOULD GIVE A REMINDER ABOUT MAINTENANCE FOR THE BOAT RAMP IN THE DOWNTOWN MARINA JUST IN CASE IF YOU FORGOT. THE ONE COMMENT I WANTED TO COME APPEAR AND TALK ABOUT WAS CONSERVATION LAND. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN , KIND

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YOU KNOW, THAT HAS TREES. SO, BE REAL CAREFUL ON THAT SEESAW BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE LOOK AT A PIECE OF LAND OR PIECE OF PARCEL THAT'S CLEARED AND IT COULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO BUILD ON IT BUT IT COULD BE JUST AS BEAUTIFUL. I LOOK AT TIGER ISLAND. I GO OUT THERE. THERE'S HUGE SEGMENTS OF IT THAT JUST HAVE GRASS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY BEAUTIFUL. THE LAST THING I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, KIND OF, MENTION AND THIS STATISTIC CAME OUT WITH THE STARTING POINT, ONE OF THE MENTAL HEALTH CARE AGENCIES HERE IN NASSAU COUNTY, THE OVERALL SUICIDE RATE IS UP IN NORTHEASTERN FLORIDA. IT'S REALLY FORTUNATE THAT VETERAN SUICIDE HAS COME DOWN PRETTY DRAMATICALLY IN NORTHEASTERN FLORIDA BUT I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF TENSION IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE ONE THING THAT SECURES THE ELIMINATION OF SUICIDE IS LOVE. IS NOT BICKERING AND FOR PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY CHILDREN, YOUNGER ADULTS, FOR A PLACE TO GO. SO, JUST AIRING OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT. JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE ARGUE ABOUT IN TOWN. ACCEPTANCE OF ALL AND LOVE

FOR ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. LORI. AND WE HAVE PARKVIEW PLACE EAST. JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP. IT'S PROBABLY BEEN 18 TO 24 MONTHS THAT WE GATHERED A GROUP OF CITIZENS TO LOOK AT OUR PEDESTRIAN AREAS THAT NEEDED IMPROVEMENT AND ADDRESSING SAFETY CONCERNS AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS JUST A PEER WAS SPEAKING OF ONE OF THE PATHWAYS THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE WORKS TO PAVE THAT PATH THAT IS OUTLINED AND EIGHTH AND THAT WAS TO CONNECT SEVENTH STREET TO CLINCH DRIVE SO THAT CYCLISTS AND RUNNERS COULD HAVE A SAFER PATHWAY GETTING EVEN TO THE BRIDGE. SO, I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD AND NONE OF THOSE MEETINGS THAT WE HELD PUBLICLY AS A CITIZENS GROUP WAS IT EVER DISCUSSED THAT THAT PATHWAY WOULD BE FOR MOTORIZED VEHICLES. LOW-SPEED OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT WAS ONLY EVER DISCUSSED TO BE A PATHWAY FOR RUNNERS AND CYCLISTS. SO, I WANT TO STATE THAT. I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUE PAUL LORI STATED TO YOU ALL ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND LOVE . I'M SURE THE SPEAKER AFTER ME IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THE SAME HATE SPEECH THAT WE HAVE BEEN RECEIVING FOR WEEKS NOW HERE BUT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU AGAIN HOW PROUD I AM AS A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY TO STAND WITH FERNANDINA BEACH PRIDE WHO HAS GIVEN OUT $23,000 WORTH OF SCHOLARSHIPS TO STUDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH SEVERAL OF THOSE STUDENTS WHO HAVE RECEIVED THE EXTRA SCHOLARSHIP. SO, I JUST WANT TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT I THANK THEM FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO. JUST ON SUNDAY MY HUSBAND WENT AND PARTICIPATED IN A CLEANUP FROM THE OLD MOVIE THEATER, YOU KNOW, AT LIME OR JASMINE. JASMINE ALL THE WEIGHT TO ATLANTIC. THEY'VE ADOPTED A STREET TO KEEP CLEAN. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY DOING THINGS AROUND OUR COMMUNITY TO ENHANCE IT AND MAKE IT WELCOMING FOR ALL. SO, I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD HOW APPRECIATIVE I AM FOR THEM FOR DOING THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. MISS YATES, YOU'RE NEXT.

>> GOOD EVENING. KELLY YATES. 670 SPANISH WAY EAST. IT'S NOT EASY GETTING A PEER, SPEAKING ABOUT THIS. I HAVE BEEN A FEW TIMES FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME I'VE BEEN SPEAKING UP ABOUT CHILD EXPLOITATION THAT WE ARE WITNESSING AT THESE HEDONISTIC ADULT LIFESTYLE EVENTS, PRIDE. NOTHING AGAINST GAY AT ALL. WE HAVE GAY AGAINST GROOMERS TO MAKE PRIDE EVENTS I.D.'D IN THE

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HERE WE HAVE A MAN. A . IT'S A SEXUAL FETISH. THE MAN STANDING NEXT TO THE IS WEARING A GIMP MASK. THIS WAS HOSTED IN THE CHILDREN PARK. BDSM SADOMASOCHISM THAT GOES AGAINST FLORIDA OBSCENITY LAW. WE HAVE TRANSVESTITE. THERE IS A LOT OF GROOMING GOING ON . IF YOU LOOK ON FERNANDINA BEACH BEACH PRIDE THEIR ADVERTISING A BOOK CLUB WITH SESAME STREET. YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE READING SESAME STREET. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT SEX TO CHILDREN. THEY WANT TO SEXUALIZE CHILDREN. WE SHARE WITH HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS WHO ARE ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND IDENTIFY AS LGBTQ IA OR AN ALLY. YOU CAN ATTEND AN ACCREDITED HIGHER LEARNING INSTITUTION. THEY ARE DEFINITELY TARGETING THE CHILDREN. THIS IS AN EVENT THAT WAS HOSTED. IT DID NOT START UNTIL 7:00 P.M. AND THEY ARE OFFERING CANDY , PRIDE, FERNANDINA BEACH PRIDE, ALL AGES WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, MISS YATES. >> THANK GOD.

>> AUDIENCE, PLEASE NO COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> MAY LEAVE THIS EVIDENCE WITH

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

YOU , MAYOR? >> NO, THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE'VE SEEN WHAT WE NEED TO SEE. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX. WE HAVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA. TO ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL ANYTHING OFF OF THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION IN A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>

[7.1 AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK - RESOLUTION 2025-19 AMENDING RESOLUTION 2024-126 TO CLARIFY THE AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK PROJECT ELEMENTS AND AUTHORIZE CONSTRUCTION IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,385,084; APPROVING THE NECESSARY BUDGET AMENDMENTS/TRANSFERS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Amending Resolution 2024-126 to clarify the project elements of the Waterfront Park Project and approving a budget transfer from the Capital Expansion Fund, Parks and Recreation Land account, 3107200 56100, Project #24043 into the Capital Expansion Fund, Parks and Recreation Improvements account, 3107200 56300 Project #24050]

>>

AWAY? >> RESOLUTION 2025 DUTCH 19 AMENDING RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 126 TO CLARIFY THE AMELIA RIVER ELEMENTS AND AUTHORIZE CONSTRUCTION AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,359,000 APPROVING THE NECESSARY BUDGET TRANSFERS AND INAUDIBLE ] AND AS YOU ALL KNOW SOME OF THESE OF THE LAST WORKSHOP AND STAFF HAS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR CONSIDERATION AND

MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE SOME ITEMS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ONE . SO, WE WILL JUST GO IN ORDER HERE. WE HAVE FOUR, FIVE, WE WILL START WITH MS. SHEILA.

COME ON UP. >> SHEILA. ALONG WITH ALL OF THE THINGS COMING WITH THIS PROJECT AND OTHER PROJECTS, THERE IS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN WHAT IS GOING ON. WE HAVE IN THE PAST ENJOYED A LOT OF FEDERAL MONEY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMING TO US. IT MAY NOT BE COMING TO OUR CITY OR OUR STATES . SO, I WANT US TO BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE DOING IN THE PLANNING OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING HERE AND I HOPE THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT HOW THIS IS GETTING BIGGER, POSSIBLY, HOW IT

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LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP I HAVE MR.

PETE STEPHENSON. >> PETE STEPHENSON. FERNANDINA BEACH. I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT WE CALLED THE PARK WHICH IS BASICALLY THE C AND D PARKING LOT AREAS SOUTH OF THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. MY SINGLE QUESTION IS, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET RESOLUTION ON ATLANTIC SEAFOOD? AT SOME POINT, THAT BECOMES A CRITICAL PATH GAINING ITEM AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD'VE HAPPENED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO. I SIMPLY ASK WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLANNING, THAT'S GOT TO BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO RESOLVE ON ONCE AND FOR ALL. KEEP IT , TEAR DOWN, GOLFER BED, WHAT WE DO? RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT APPROACH WE TAKE I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING A COMMITTED SCHEDULE TO DO

SOMETHING. THANKS. >> THANK YOU, MR. STEVENSON.

NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. JENNY. >> AT EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JENNY. 1605 HIGHLAND STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE PLAYGROUND FEATURE AS IT'S CURRENTLY MENTIONED IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE. IT'S CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED AS A PROJECT CONTINGENCY AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU COULD CLARIFY ON WHETHER IT IS INTENDED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PARKS INITIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE INCLUSION DEPENDS ON MANY OTHER FACTORS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CAN ANSWER THAT.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION?

>> YES. BASED OFF OF COMMITTEE FEEDBACK BASE OF THE COMMISSIONER FEEDBACK WE ALLOCATED THOSE DOLLARS WITHIN THAT PROJECT FOR THAT PURPOSE. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF THE GLOBAL MOTION SPIRIT STRUCTURE BUT ALSO INTEREST IN LOOKING AT OTHER FEATURES OF IT. THE INTENT IS TO BRING THIS TO REVIEW AND PARKS AND RECREATION FOR CONSIDERATION AS TO THE PUT THERE. THE INTENT IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD NOW. THERE'S A 27 FOOT CIRCULAR AREA DESIGNATED FOR THE PLAY AREA AND TO WORK WITH A CONTRACTOR ON WHAT STRUCTURE WILL GO THERE IN COORDINATION WITH

>> THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO SAY AS A VICE CHAIR OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE I WOULD REQUEST THAT IT BE SENT BACK TO US. I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT COMMITTEE WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE WATERFRONT PLAYGROUND FEATURE. WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT FITS ALONG THE ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE FOR THE PARK AND WITHIN THE FINAL BUDGET. MOST OF THESE THAT ALL OF US HAVE VISITED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF FEATURE. THERE WATERFRONT PARK ARE OUR DOWNTOWN IS THE CENTER OF OUR TOWN.

SUMMER FOR THE CHILDREN TO GO, PLAY. I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT SPACE FOR ALL GENERATIONS TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, ENJOY TIME TOGETHER BEFORE AFTER DINNER AND ENJOY OUR WONDERFUL TOWN EVENTS.

THEY CAN PLAY WHILE THEIR PARENTS GO TO ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS. I GREW APPEAR AND I HAVE LITTLE KIDS THAT I'M RAISING HERE NOW AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CITY HAS BEEN MISSING. PERSONALLY I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE SOMETHING NAUTICAL THEMES DOWN THERE THAT WOULD HONOR OUR ISLAND'S HISTORY AND THE PARKS UNIQUE LOCATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT WITH THIS AND HOPE THAT WE CAN GET A PLAYGROUND

DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE

MR. MAC MORRIS. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. STEVENSON BROUGHT UP THE ACCESS COMMITTEE. I WAS ON THAT. MEMBER OF CITY STAFF WALKED IN, SHE KEPT US ON TRACK. WE WORKED OUR BUTTS OFF ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. MAC MORRIS. 821 PARK VIEW. THE WATERFRONT PARK , THERE ARE SEVERAL POINTS IN THERE THAT ARE STILL CONTENTION BUT I HAVE A WIN, WIN, WIN SOLUTION. CENTER STREET BUSINESSES , REMOVING A ROW FLEXIBILITY PARKING FROM THE PARKING LOT FOR THOSE TWO PARKING LOTS DOES MAKE SENSE. REDUCING PARKING , BOAT TRAILERS, I'M ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO DRIVING A BOAT TRAILER I NEED TO SWING WIDE. PUTTING A LINE OF PARKING CLOSER IN IS RESTRICTING IT TOO MUCH AND THEN WHEN YOU GET A TAURUS TWO DOESN'T KNOW IT'S A ONE-WAY SYSTEM THERE TO BLOCK IT UP AND WERE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PILING UP TRYING TO GET THEIR BOATS IN AND OUT WITH SOMEONE STUCK IN THE LOT AND THEIR BOATS DOWN THERE. AND THE THIRD THING IS THE POTOMAC. INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT. THE NEW PLAN REDUCES THE NUMBER OF COURTS THEY CAN PUT IN. THAT DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW THEIR TOURNAMENT. HERE'S THE WIN WIN, KEEP THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS

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THE IMPACT FEES COULD BE USED AND IT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING DOWN THERE BY RECREATION CODE. GO AHEAD AND BUILD THE PARK. KEEP THAT AREA DOWN THERE IS UNDESIGNATED . THEN AFTER THE PARKS GO, PUT IT BACK INTO THE MIXED-USE LAND CODE AND THAT TAKES AWAY THE ARGUMENT ABOUT PARKING SPACES. WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS LIKE DICKENS ANTRIM FESTIVAL, THANK YOU. TRIM FESTIVAL. THE NONPROFITS THAT MANAGE THOSE LOTS NEED THAT EXTRA SPACE. THAT'S THE WHOLE FUNDRAISER FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

TAKING PARKING AWAY FROM THEM IS TAKING MONEY OUT OF THEIR NONPROFIT AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S THE KIDS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL OR, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT SQUADS OR WHATEVER.

THAT IS THE MONEY THEY NEED FOR UNIFORMS. SO, KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE. DON'T CALL IT PARKING. CALL IT UNDESIGNATED.

BUT KEEP THE SAME FOOTPRINT. JUST BUILD IT OUT. NOW, IF YOU ARE SAVING MONEY, I DON'T AGREE WITH PUTTING A BATHROOM DOWN THERE, BUT IF YOU DO IT, FINE. IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING FOR THE HOMELESS PEOPLE TO USE. IF WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY, WE COULD USE A BATHROOM ON NORTH BEACH PARK. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE -- WE'VE BEEN USING THE PORT A LOT UP THERE. ANYWAY. THANK YOU FOR

YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. NEXT UP WE HAVE

MR. LAWRENCE PIPER. >>

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> LAWRENCE PIPER. 404 SOUTH FIFTH STREET. WHAT I'VE JUST HANDED TO COMMISSIONERS ARE EXCERPTS FROM YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU HAVE TO DIG DOWN INTO THEIR WEBSITE BUT THEY HAVE A HUGE DOCUMENT THERE , THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REGARDING THE WATERFRONT, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL. I WON'T BORE YOU WITH ALL OF THEM BUT YOU COULD READ THEM AND TAKE THEM HOME WITH YOU BUT THE CITY SHALL PROTECT SHORELINES AND WATERFRONT LANDS IN ORDER TO ENSURE ADEQUATE AND APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR WATER DEPENDENT WATER RELATED AND WATER ENHANCED USES. FURTHER DOWN, PROTECTING SHORELINE AND WATERFRONT AREAS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE LOCATIONS FOR MARINE RELATED USAGE SUCH AS COMMERCIAL AND RECREATIONAL FISHING, BOATING, AND WATER DEPENDENT USES. FURTHER DOWN THE CITY SHALL PROTECT RECREATIONAL AND COMMERCIAL WATERFRONTS. THIS IS ALL IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S TWO PAGES OF IT .

I WON'T READ THEM ALL. FROM THE VERY LAST PAGE, YOUR COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT BOARD ADVISORY BOARD , THEIR VISION STATEMENT, THE THIRD TENANT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED . MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF FERNANDINA BEACH AS REFLECTED IN ITS WORKING WATERFRONT AND HISTORIC DISTRICT. NOW, THIS STUFF IS ALL THROUGH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOUR ADVISORY BOARDS, ALL ASKING SUBSEQUENT COMMISSIONS TO PROTECT THAT WATERFRONT AS A WORKING WATERFRONT. IT IS A CULTURAL THING. I MEAN, FERNANDINA BEACH IS KNOWN AS THE BIRTHPLACE OF THE MODERN SHRIMPING INDUSTRY. I SENT YOU AN EMAIL. THANK YOU TO THOSE THAT REPLIED BACK TO ME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I MEAN, THE WATERFRONT BEAUTIFIED , PAVED WALKWAYS, I REALLY DON'T CARE FOR THE PAVILION. I REALLY DON'T CARE FOR THE PLAYGROUND.

I MEAN, THEY JUST -- IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT MEN AND WOMEN PROBABLY TOOK THEM HOURS TO PUT TOGETHER YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE REASON THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE THEY KNEW FUTURE COMMISSIONS WOULD BE FACED WITH THESE

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>> NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. MICHAEL SHARP.

>> I MICHAEL SHARP. I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN WITH THE AREA AND LOTS C AND D THAT I MET WITH MR. JOHN ABBOTT. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE BEST USE FOR THAT SPACE. IT INVOLVES ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PARK THERE AND THE CLUB WOULD USE THE NEWLY RENOVATED AT A COST OF $56,000 TO OUR TAXPAYERS THE USE OF THE DAILY PLAY, THAT SPACE DOWN THERE. WHY THE CRAB WOULD TRY TO BRING THIS BACK UP IN A DIVISIVE MATTER , I JUST DON'T GET.

IT'S SETTLED. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE NEED PARKING DOWN THERE.

YOU MADE A PLAN THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I WOULD ASK YOU TO STICK WITH IT AND NOT GO WITH THIS OTHER STUFF. I THINK THERE IS STILL A PROBLEM WITH THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PEOPLE THAT HAVE RIGS THAT ARE 60 FEET LONG AND YOU HAVE DEDICATED 44 FEET FOR BOAT AND TRAILER SLOTS IN THERE. IT IS NOT LONG ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TRAILER STICKING OUT IN THE ROADWAY. IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. BEFORE YOU START BUILDING $2 MILLION WORTH OF PARK I NEED YOU TO ADDRESS THAT.

DON'T WAIT UNTIL WE CAN'T TURN A BOAT TRAILER IN THERE. IT'S A MARINA. IT WASN'T A PARK. IT WAS A WORKING WATERFRONT. IT'S A MARINA. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT WATER ACTIVITIES. LET OUR PEOPLE WITH BOATS HAVE A REASONABLE PLACE TO PARK THEIR

BOAT AND TRAILERS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. SHARP. NEXT IS

KENDALL CURRY. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS KENDALL CURRY. I LIVE AT 824 NORTH 15TH STREET AND I'M JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT MISS MOUNTJOY SAID ABOUT A PLAY AREA FOR THE WATERFRONT PARK. I'M A MOM TO TWO YOUNG KIDS AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION ON THAT BUT I'M JUST ECHOING THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. WE ARE DOWNTOWN A LOT AND HE GIVES THE KIDS A SAFE PLACE TO GO WHILE WE ENJOY ALL OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. SO, THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MISS CURRY. NO MORE FORMS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. SO, COMMISSIONERS, TO

A MOTION? >> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE

RESOLUTION 2025-19. >> THERE IS A MOTION. HAVE A

SECOND? >> MOTION IN THE SECOND. ANY

DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR? >> YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO, WE ARE IN THIS PLAN GOING BACK WITH THE PLAYGROUND , WITH THE BUDGET.

>> PLAYGROUND FEATURE. >> PLAYGROUND FEATURE WITH THE BUDGET. JUST MAKING SURE THAT IS IN THE MOTION. YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS. THIS BROUGHT BACK UP , I WANTED TO GET TO A POINT WHERE THE GRASS AREA THAT WE ARE NOW CHANGING BACK TO WHAT IS CALLED A FLEX SPACE. WE DID NOT JUST DO THAT AS A COMMISSION , JUST WILLY-NILLY. WE DID NOT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S FIND A WAY TO BRING THE COST UP. THAT WAS THE THREADING OF THE NEEDLE BECAUSE THERE WAS, AT A POINT IN TIME, NO SPORTS DOWN THERE AND I DON'T WANT TO BLAME -- THEY ARE GETTING BEATEN UP HERE. THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE WHAT ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS? THERE WAS NO SPORTS DOWN THERE, NO NOTHING. THE GRASS PART CAME IN SIMPLY BECAUSE WELL, IT'S ANOTHER PLACE TO WALK DOGS AND YOU CAN PLAY SPORTS THERE. I'M IN FAVOR OF A FLEX SPACE. I WANT TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS FROM THE FIRST TIME. PEOPLE WANT PARKING THERE. I'M ON RECORD OF SAYING IT LAST TIME. I'M ON RECORD AGAIN. YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY EMAILS. I'M IN FAVOR OF REVISITING THE LDC AND THE PLAN TO ADD MORE PARKING THERE. I KNOW IT IS NOT A POPULAR OPINION. IT WASN'T FOR

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[7.2 AGREEMENT RENEWAL - FIRST FEDERAL BANK - RESOLUTION 2025-20 APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF THE BANKING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH FIRST FEDERAL BANK; SELECTING OPTION 2 WHICH PROVIDES FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE-YEAR TERM; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Staff recommends renewing the Banking Services Agreement with First Federal Bank, selecting Option 2, which provides for an additional three-year term]

YOU. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. MOVING TO ITEM 7.2. AGREEMENT RENEWAL FOR FIRST FEDERAL BANK PARTNERSHIP.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS RESOLUTION WOULD PROVIDE FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR TERM WITH OUR CURRENT BANK , FIRST FEDERAL BANK. STAFF RECOMMENDS RENEWING THIS AGREEMENT FOR THE ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR TERM. OUR COMPTROLLER SUSAN IS HERE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE. AS YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BECAME COMPTROLLER JANUARY 8TH. SO, I INHERITED SOME PROJECTS IN THE WORKS AND I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS RENEWAL A YEAR AGO WAS MEANT TO GO TO RFP YOU DID NOT HAPPEN. I WAS NOT HERE SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY RIGHT NOW IS THAT STAFF HAS MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT INTEGRATE WITH OUR BANK AND OUR BANK IS SUPPORTING US IN THOSE PROJECTS. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE THREE-YEAR RENEWAL TO ALLOW US TO GET TO A PLACE ON THESE PROJECTS WHERE THE NORMAL INTERRUPTION , IF WE END UP CHANGING BANKS IS THE NORMAL INTERRUPTION. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD CITYVIEW WHICH HAS INTEGRATED AN APPLICATION FOR PROCESSING CREDIT CARDS AND OTHER THINGS . MULTIPLE COMPUTER SYSTEMS ARE ACCESSING OUR CURRENT BANK AND OUR BANK REPRESENTATIVE JIM WEAVER IS HERE. HE CAN TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE SERVICES THEY ARE PROVIDING THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH INVISIBLE BECAUSE WHEN THEY WORK NOBODY SEES THEM. THE THINGS WE HAVE GOING IS WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM E CORP. AND FIRST FEDERAL. THERE SUPPORTING OUR EFFORTS. WE JUST IMPLEMENTED A NEW EMS BILLING SOFTWARE. THEY HAVE A LOCKBOX. THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS. IT IS NOT FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TIME WITH SOME OF THE SYSTEMS TO EVEN KNOW HOW TO WORK OUT THE KINKS. SO, WE ARE ASKING FOR SUFFICIENT TIME TO FINISH IMPLEMENTING EVERYTHING , TO WORK WITH IT, AND TO ALLOW A BANK THAT IS PROVIDING WONDERFUL SERVICE TO US TO CONTINUE TO DO SO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE WILL HAVE COMPLETED THE RFP PROCESS WE WILL OF HAD A GOOD COMPARISON TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GREAT SERVICE AND THE BENEFITS WE THINK WE ARE EXPERIENCING DO COMPARE WELL WITH THE MARKET. I WILL SAY THAT FIRST FEDERAL DOES A GREAT JOB SUPPORTING US. WE ALWAYS GET TO TALK TO A PERSON EVEN WHEN WE HAVE PROBLEMS AFTER HOURS WE ARE NOT SENT TO A CALL CENTER . THEY HAVE A COURIER SERVICE. THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF SERVICES. WE ARE PLEASED WITH THE SERVICE AND WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THEM UNTIL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN MORE FEASIBLY CHANGE BANKS IF WE NEED TO.

>> THANK YOU. I'D COMMISSIONER FIRST AND VICE MAYOR YOU ARE

NEXT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO, YOU NEED THREE YEARS TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SYSTEM UPDATES AND CHANGES THAT YOU ARE DOING

NOW? >> NO. NOT THREE FULL YEARS. THE SYSTEMS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED . ONE OF THEM IN JULY AND ONE OF THEM IS BRAND-NEW. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS FINISH THE IMPLEMENTATION THIS FISCAL YEAR AND THEN HAVE SOME TIME TO WORK WITH THE PRODUCT SO THAT WE ARE NOT LEARNING THE NEW PRODUCTS AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO CHANGE BANKS.

>> OKAY. SO, WHAT PERCENTAGE INTEREST ARE YOU GETTING ON OUR

MONEY WITH THIS CURRENT RATE? >> I DON'T HAVE IT ALL MEMORIZED OR THE RESOURCES BUT I KNOW THAT IT WAS VISITING IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS AND IT'S ON THE RESOLUTION.

>> THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE BANK?

>> YES. IT IS IN THE RESOLUTION. IT TALKS ABOUT OUR AGREEMENT. IT IS A FLOATING AGREEMENT BASED ON THE FEDERATE.

>> OKAY. AND HAVE WE ALWAYS GOT INTEREST FROM THIS BANK?

>> FIRST FEDERAL, YES. THE PRIOR BANK WE ACTUALLY WERE PAYING $800 A MONTH VERSUS FEDERAL WE ARE MAKING 30 SOMETHING THOUSAND 20 SOMETHING THOUSAND. IT VARIES BY THE RATE IN THE DEPOSITS.

>> THE RATE IS 4.33, FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THAT'S FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT

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>> WELL, THE ACCOUNTS WE HAVE WITH FIRST FEDERAL. SO, BASICALLY OUR OPERATING ACCOUNT, OR EMS BUILDING, -- BILLING, MOST OF OUR ACCOUNTS HAVE A SWEEP ARRANGEMENT WHERE WE SEPARATE OUT OUR FUNCTIONS FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AND FOR RECONCILIATION WITH THOSE BALANCES SWEEP EACH NIGHT INTO A PRIMARY ACCOUNT WHICH WE RECEIVE INTEREST ON THE DEPOSITS.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> VICE MAYOR?

>> SO, IF WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TO RFP, I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SOME CHANGES, WHAT HAPPENS IN THREE YEARS WHEN STAFF COMES AND SAYS, NO, WE ARE NOT READY AND WE NEED TO DO ANOTHER THREE?

>> WELL, IF I'M HERE -- >> YOU'RE TELLING ME NOW WE CAN GO NOW BUT YOU ARE GUARANTEEING ME IN THREE YEARS WE CAN, HOW DO I KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT IF YOU DIDN'T DO IT LAST

YEAR? >> I WASN'T HERE LAST YEAR.

>> I DON'T TRUST THAT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT ALL. SO, I MEAN, WE ASK FOR IT AND RFP THIS YEAR UNDERSTAND THEIR PROBLEMS, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES BUT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO TRUST WHATSOEVER THAT THIS WILL GO OUT RFP IN THREE YEARS. SO, I'M A NO ON THIS. I'M OKAY WITH GOING ONE YEAR BECAUSE WE GOT BEHIND ON SOME THINGS BUT I'M ABSOLUTE NO ON GO OUT RFP NEXT YEAR.

>> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT ?

>> JUST THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE DETERMINED IN THE SHORT TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT TRACKING SOFTWARE . SO, IF THAT MEANS I JUST HAD TO PUT IT ON MY CALENDAR IN SIX MONTHS TO BID IT OUT TO THAT IS HOW WE WILL MANAGE IT. BUT THERE IS NO SYSTEM IN THE CITY THAT IS TRACKING ANY OF YOUR AGREEMENTS AND YOU NEED AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO WRITE THE RFP, GET OUT ON THE STREET, ADVERTISE IT FOR 30 DAYS, REVIEW THE PROPOSALS, THAT TYPE OF THING. WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH A SYSTEM TO DO THAT AND IF YOU GIVE US A YEAR, WE WORK WITH THE YEAR. IF YOU GIVE US THREE YEARS WE WILL WORKS WITH THREE YEARS. MOST CONTRACTS ARE GOING TO RUN OUT OF EXTENSIONS ANYWAY. YOU WON'T HAVE A CHOICE. YOU HAVE TO GO

OUT TO BID. >> JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE INTEREST RATE , IF I'M READING THIS RESOLUTION CORRECTLY, IT'S AN INTEREST RATE EQUALING 40% OF WHATEVER THE CURRENT FEDERAL FUNDS RATE IS WHICH CURRENTLY IS 4.33. OUR RATE IS NOT FOR .33%

OF THAT. >> THAT'S JUST A CLARIFICATION.

>> IT'S PRETTY CLEAR HERE BUT I'VE SERVED AS TREASURER FOR MANY ORGANIZATIONS AND ALIGNING WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH THE SOFTWARE OF THE BANK IS INCREDIBLY TIME-CONSUMING AND DIFFICULT AND I'VE HAD TO LEARN COUNTLESS NEW SYSTEMS AND I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO FATHOM WHAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS DEALING WITH $50,000 BUDGETS. I CAN'T BEGIN TO FATHOM WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH. I'M IN FAVOR OF GIVING THIS THREE YEARS TO GET IT FUNCTIONING, LEARN HOW WORKS, USE IT WELL, AND THEN GO OUT RFP AND THEN I WOULD ALSO , I THINK THIS NOTION OF CONTRACTING -- CONTRACT TRACKING SOFTWARE IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THEY CAN GO ON THE AGENDA. HOW DO WE GET SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW DO WE ORDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW DO WE AGREE TO PAY FOR? HOW DO WE GET INTO BUDGET? IS IT A VISIONING SESSION THING?

>> IT CAN BE BUT IT CAN ALSO BE MY RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF TO YOU AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. IF I BUILD IN $50,000 IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET FOR CONTRACT SOFTWARE THAT WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION AND THEN YOU ALL CAN DETERMINE WHETHER THAT IS A VALUABLE THING FOR US TO PURSUE.

>> YEAH. I THINK IT IS VALUABLE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT, COMMISSIONER.

>> YEAH. YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU ARE GETTING USED TO THE BANK

SOFTWARE. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? >> OH. NO. WE ARE IMPLEMENTING OTHER PROGRAMS THAT INTEGRATE WITH THE BANK. IT IS COMPLEX WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE ARE WORKING WITH THEIR SUPPORT SERVICES . WE HAVE LOCKBOX. WE HAVE INTEGRATIONS. WE HAVE FILE UPLOADS THROUGH WRITING , IMPORT DOCUMENTS AND OTHER THINGS AND CERTAIN FILE SPECIFICATIONS. IT JUST ADDS TO THE LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE US A LITTLE BIT TO

TROUBLESHOOT IT. >> I UNDERSTAND. THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS WILL THAT BE THE SAME LEARNING CURVE IN A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW WITH ANOTHER BANK AND THEIR

SOFTWARE INTEGRATION? >> NO.

>> NO BECAUSE THEN WE ARE JUST CHANGING THE BANK AND WE HAVE

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ARE DEVELOPING NOW. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A MOTION? THANK YOU.

>> YEAH. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS FOR THREE YEARS.

>> MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HEAR SECOND?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO TWO YEARS AND THAT WILL GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO GET IT DONE? HOW LONG IS FIRST FEDERAL BEEN WITH US NOW?

>> THIS IS 60 YEARS -- SIX YEARS.

>> SIX YEARS. LIKE WHAT VICE MAYOR WAS SAYING, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT TO KEEP GIVING SOMEONE WITH THINGS. IF YOU WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO CHANGING THAT TO TWO YEARS, THAT IS, KIND OF, SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE. WOULD THAT BE AMENABLE MATH?

>> SURE. >> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A NEW

MOTION? >> MAYOR, IF I MAY, THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT PROVIDED A FIVE YEAR TERM WITH THE RIGHT TO EXTEND FOR FIVE YEARS. THAT'S WHY WHEN IT WAS MENTIONED A THREE-YEAR THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT DID NOT PROVIDE THE DEATH OF THAT TERM.

WITH THAT IN MIND, THE FIVE-YEAR, THE LAST COMMISSION SAW IT RENEW FOR ONE YEAR. THAT THREE-YEAR EXTENSION WOULD BE WITHIN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. IT WOULD BE NINE YEARS. IF THAT

HELPS. >> I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THEY CHANGED IT FROM FIVE YEARS

TO ONE YEAR. >> CORRECT. THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT PROVIDED FOR A MAX OF 10. FIVE-YEAR WITH THE RIGHT TO EXTEND FOR 10. THEY ARE AGREEABLE FOR THE ONE YEAR BUT THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT IS FOR MORE -- NO MORE THAN 10.

>> OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR -- CAN I ASK, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? WHAT'S THE CONCERN FOR NOT ALLOWING THIS TO GO FOR THREE

YEARS? >> WELL, I'M BASICALLY AGREEING WITH VICE MAYOR SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GO OUT, SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE IT OR FOR EIGHT OR NINE YEARS. IT'S OKAY TO RELOOK AT IT A LITTLE EARLIER. IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, I WOULD LIKE TO DO

THAT. THAT'S ALL. >> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TOWARDS THAT. NOT SEEN AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. COULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM?

>> PODIUM? >> JIM WEAVER FIRST FEDERAL BANK. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNEW THE OPTIONS THAT I HANDED OUT THIS TIME LIKE LAST TIME WHEN WE ARE HER LAST YEAR WHENEVER I GAVE A ONE OR FIVE-YEAR OPTION EVERYONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIVE YEARS AND SAID IF WE DID SOMETHING THREE YEARS MAYBE WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER TO DO. THIS YEAR WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH A ONE YEAR OPTION OR THREE-YEAR OPTION.

THERE IS NOT A TWO YEAR OPTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT

CLARIFICATION. >> THANK YOU, MR. WEAVER. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD IN MY POSITION THAT I BELIEVE THIS IS TO THE CREDIT OF WHAT MISS CARLOS HAD SAID IT'S NO EASY FEAT TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTS THAT PAYMENTS ARE GOING IN AND OUT OF AND I'M VERY MUCH OF THE POSITION THAT -- YOUR BANKS ANNUALLY. I RESPECT THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT THAT WE WANT THAT RFP AND I AGREE BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SHORTCHANGE THIS

TO A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT. >> YEAH, FIRST FEDERAL HAS BEEN GREAT. THEY HAVE BEEN. FIVE YEARS WAS A LOT OF TIME.

SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMY , I LOOK AT THINGS IN THE ECONOMY NOW AND THREE YEARS IS NOW A LONG TIME WITH WHAT I THINK THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO DO. SO, YEAH, TO THE POINT. I WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER OFF WITH THREE YEARS LAST TIME WE COULD'VE GOTTEN A BETTER FEEL WE WILL KNOW WHERE THIS ECONOMY IS SUPPOSED TO BE AND I'M NOT SURE I'M WILLING TO SETTLE DOWN FOR THE CURRENT RATE THAT I THINK MAY OR MAY NOT BE BETTER. I THINK FIRST FEDERAL IS GREAT. I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT. IF IT'S THREE YEARS IS THREE YEARS THEY DO A GREAT JOB. GREAT PARTNERS. THEY ARE GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNERS ON TOP OF THAT. LET ME SAY THAT. THEY DO A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY. SEEING ALL THE EVENTS, ALL THE GALAS, THEY ARE ALWAYS THERE. THEY'RE ALWAYS THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. MR.

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GREAT BANK. >> COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE A

MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>

>> AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE

CALL THE ROLE. >>

[7.3 (Quasi-Judicial) FINAL PLAT APPROVAL - SEA LA VIE SUBDIVISION - RESOLUTION 2025- 21 APPROVING A FINAL PLAT TITLED “SEA LA VIE” FOR NINE (9) TOTAL HOME SITES LOCATED AT SOUTH 13TH STREET ON 1.29 ACRES OF LAND; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: "Sea la Vie" final plat approval of a nine (9) lot subdivision consisting of eight (8) townhome units and one (1) detached single-family dwelling unit on 1.29 acres of land located on South 13th Street.]

>> YES. THE MOTION PASSES 3-2. ON TO ITEM 7.3. ARE APPROVAL FOR

SALE OF THE SUBDIVISION. >> I'M GOING TO INVITE KELLY GIBSON UP TO WALK US THROUGH THE FINAL IMPROVEMENT OF THIS PLAT SINCE IT'S A MORE TECHNICAL PROCESS.

>> BEFORE DO THAT, IF I MAY, IT'S CUSTOMARY TO EXPLAIN THE QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEDURES IN EFFECT FOR THIS APPLICATION AND THIS ITEM. IT IS QUASIJUDICIAL. IT MEANS THAT THE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE TONIGHT WILL NEED TO BE SUPPORTED BY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR THAT EVIDENCE CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE FORM OF TESTIMONY OR DOCUMENTS. ANYONE THAT IS WISHING TO PREVENT -- PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE FOR THIS ITEM WILL NEED TO BE SWORN BY THE COURT BEFORE WE BEGIN. ANY PERSON THAT DISAGREES WITH THE DECISION AND IS ADVERSELY IMPACTED WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL THE DECISION WITHIN 30 DAYS TO A CIRCUIT COURT BY PETITION AND THE DAYS WILL BEGIN ON THE SIGNING OF THE RESOLUTION BY THE MAYOR . DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CAUSE I'D JUDICIAL PROCEDURES IN EFFECT THIS

EVENING? >> ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE,

PLEASE CONTINUE. >> THANK YOU. IF I'M CORRECT WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. CAN ANYONE RISE AND PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND BE SWORN IN

FOR TESTIMONY. >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS. YOU SWEAR THAT THE STATEMENTS AND REPRESENTATIONS THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO PRESENT TO THIS COMMISSION DURING THIS HEARING

WILL BE TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND NOW WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL HAVE MISS GIBSON. GOOD EVENING, KELLY GIBSON. DIRECTOR OF PLANNING CONSERVATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT INTO RECORD ALL THE DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE FOR THE DOCUMENTS THIS EVENING. INCLUDING THE STAFF REPORT, MEETING MINUTES AND THE PLAT ITSELF AS PART OF THE RECORD. I WILL STAND UPON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE FINAL PLAT FOR NINE TOTAL UNITS. EIGHT TOWNHOMES AND ONE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME FOR PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF SOUTH 13TH STREET TOTALING 1.2 ACRES JUST AS A POINT OF OVERVIEW. THIS PROPERTY DOES CONTAIN ARE THREE ZONING THE DEVELOPERS LOOKING TO DEVELOP A MUCH LESSER DENSITY AT SIX UNITS PER ACRE GIVEN THE UNITS THAT THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING THERE.

IF THEY WERE TO CONSTRUCT AT THAT HIGHER DENSITY THEY COULD GO UP TO 14 UNITS. THE SITE DOES MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF OUR TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS. IT DOES MEET OR EXCEED ALL OF OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS REQUIRED FOR THE CITY AND WITH THAT I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS GIBSON?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT OUR PACKET AND THE SUBMITTED ORDINANCE FROM 2005 , ORDINANCE 2005-12 WHEN THE ZONING THERE, THIS IS ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO. THE ZONING WAS CHANGED FROM ARCTIC TO TO OUR THREE. BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO BUILD A SENIOR HOUSING UNIT , AFFORDABLE HOUSING . DO YOU HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF WHY THAT WAS NEVER

BUILT . >> I'M NOT CERTAIN IF IT WAS MARKET CONDITIONS FOLLOWING 2005 THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE OF WHAT WAS FEASIBLE FOR THIS AREA AND I KNOW THAT THAT ENTITY CONTINUE TO HOLD THE PROPERTY FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME AND MORE RECENTLY SOLD IT SO THAT THEY COULD PURSUE PROJECTS AND PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OTHER AREAS.

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>> SO, THERE IS NO CONTINGENCY IN THAT THAT IF THAT PROJECT DID NOT GO FORWARD IT WOULD REVERT BACK TO RII?

>> NO. THERE'S NO CONDITIONALS ON IT. THAT'S ALLOWED.

>> OKAY. IT'S SURROUNDED BY RII. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT CAN BE

SHORT TERM RENTAL? >> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD

BE SHORT TERM RENTAL. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS THE FINAL. THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH PRELIMINARY AS WELL AS TECHNICAL REVIEW.

>> THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE MR. GILLETT NEXT?

>> GILLETT AND ASSOCIATES. 31 SOUTH FOURTH STREET. I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT TONIGHT . WE REST ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. AND STAFF REPORT FROM THE PREVIOUS AND I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER? >> YES, MA'AM?

>> IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO BE

RENTED OR SOLD OR -- >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE GOING TO BE SOLD AS A FEASIBLE PRODUCT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR.

GILLETT? SEEING ON, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> I SAW ONE MORE PERSON STANDING. IS THERE ANY MORE AFFECTED PARTIES THAT WISH TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PROCEDURAL ON THIS AND WE MOVE FORWARD TO A

VOTE. >> WE NEED A MOTION IN A SECOND.

>> WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I BELIEVE WE CLOSE THAT. >> PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN

CLOSED. >> I WILL TAKE A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>

[7.4 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT - 2144 RAYON ROAD - RESOLUTION 2025-22 APPROVING THE EXTENSION OF WATER SERVICES OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS; ACCEPTING THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION FOR ONE PARCEL CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.17 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 2144 RAYON ROAD; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Authorizes the extension of water services to the property owner identified whose property is located at 2144 Rayon Road, Parcel Number: 00-00-30-0540-0022-0000 and also approves the Voluntary Annexation Petition.]

>> THAT MOTION PASSES. NOW WE HAVE ITEM 7.4. THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT FOR 144 RAYON ROAD.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS APPLICATION FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AT 144 RAYON ROAD IS FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.

IF IT WERE TO BE NEXT INTO THE CITY, IT WOULD ALSO ONLY ALLOW FOR ONE. STAFF LOOKS FOR APPROVAL.

>> SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A MOTION? SMITH I MOVED TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2025-22. MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HEAR A SECOND? MOTION AND SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE

CALL THE ROLL . >>

[7.5 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT - 1438 CASHEN DRIVE - RESOLUTION 2025-23 APPROVING THE EXTENSION OF WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS; ACCEPTING THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION FOR ONE PARCEL CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 0.34 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 1438 CASHEN DRIVE; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Authorizes the extension of water and wastewater services to the property owner identified whose property is located at 1438 Cashen Drive, Parcel Number: 00-00-30-024B-0035-0000 and also approves the Voluntary Annexation Petition.]

>> THAT PASSES 5-0. ON TO 7.5. ANOTHER VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.

>> THIS , PROPERTY OWNERS ARE LOOKING TO ANNEX INTO SINGLE LIMITS. THIS IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. AND IF NEXT, IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW ONE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER POINTER. >> MY ONLY QUESTION, THE SURROUNDING LOT AROUND IT. ARE THOSE NOT IN THE CITY?

>> THEY ARE NOT. I THINK WE PROVIDED A MAP SHOWING WHICH PARCELS ARE ADJACENT. IN THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING WHY. YOU KNOW? THESE SINGLE LOTS IN BETWEEN. IS IT JUST TO GET THE WATER AND SEWER? AND THESE OTHER

PEOPLE HAVE SEPTIC? >> YES. AGAIN, KELLY GIBSON. THE REQUEST FOR THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE WATER/WASTEWATER SERVICES IN THE CITY. SO WHEN THAT PROPERTY DOES BECOME CONTINUOUS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO INITIATE ACTION AND ASSIGN A PROBE THAT MANAGERS IN THE CATEGORY. THAT WAS THIS ONE, AS WELL AS THE PRIOR. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO CONTINUOUS PROPERTIES.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER TUTEN .

>> CANNOT CLARIFY FOR MYSELF AND THE PUBLIC HOW THIS WORKS? NEITHER OF THESE PROPERTIES -- I WOULD TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE. THEY

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THE DAY THEY TOUCH A CITY PROPERTY, THEY COULD BE NEXT.

>> THEY WILL BE. OKAY. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THEY LIKELY HAVE A SEPTIC FAILURE. SO WE WANT TO EXTEND WATER. CORRECT?

>> THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. THEY PAY AN ADDITIONAL SURCHARGE ON THEIR PENALTIES.

>> I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.

>> SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENT?

>> SECOND. >> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND. DO I HEAR ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? SEEING

NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >>

[7.6 GRANT APPLICATION - FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT (FIND) - RESOLUTION 2025-24 REQUESTING ASSISTANCE UNDER THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT (FIND) WATERWAYS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA MAINTENANCE DREDGING; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests financial assistance under the Florida Inland Navigation District (FIND) Waterways Assistance Program for Fernandina Harbor Marina dredging]

>> YES. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-0. ON TO 7.6, A GRANT APPLICATION

FOR THE FIND GRANT. >> THANK YOU. THEY ARE REQUESTING A GRANT FOR THE HARBOR MARINA DREDGING. THIS IS AN ANNUAL APPLICATION. THE MATCH IS TO REFINE. IT IS A 1-1 MATCH NOT TO EXCEED $450,000. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR MS. CAMPBELL?

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HEAR A SECOND? ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? SEEING

NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>

[7.7 GRANT APPLICATION BUDGET MODIFICATION - BUDGET TRANSFER - FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION CLEAN VESSEL ACT GRANT - RESOLUTION 2025-25 AMENDING RESOLUTION 2024-125 TO INCREASE THE AUTHORIZED BUDGET FOR FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, FLORIDA CLEAN MARINA PROGRAM, CLEAN VESSEL ACT PROGRAM GRANT APPLICATION TO PURCHASE A REPLACEMENT PUMP OUT BOAT FOR THE FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA; APPROVING A BUDGET TRANSFER; DECLARING CERTAIN TITLED CITY PROPERTY SURPLUS; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Authorizes FDEP Clean Vessel Act Grant Program increased funding request in Fiscal Year 2024/2025, in the amount of $31,656, approving associated budget transfers and declaring certain City titled property surplus.]

>> YES. THAT MOTION PASSES. THE BUDGET MODIFICATION, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> RESOLUTION 2025 STASH 25 STASH 2025 -- 25 . THEY WILL COVER THE NEW PUMP OUT. THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 25% MATCH. HOWEVER, THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR MATCH WILL BE COVERED BY THE RESALE OF THE CURRENT PUMP OUT BOAT. SO, THERE ARE ONLY SMALL CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. THE TOTAL PROJECT FOR -- I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE

TRANSFER. >> ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> RESOLUTION TO MOVE 2025-25 TO GRANT THE BUDGET APPLICATIONS.

>> DO I HEAR ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE

ROLL. >>

[7.8 SINGLE SOURCE PURCHASE APPROVAL - THE MORGAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP, LLC - RESOLUTION 2025-26 APPROVING THE MORGAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP, LLC AS A SINGLE SOURCE VENDOR TO REPAIR SIXTY LINEAR FEET OF STORM DRAIN LINE IN THE ISLE DE MAI SUBDIVISION; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves The Morgan Development Group, LLC as a single source vendor to repair sixty linear feet of storm drain line fin the Isle De Mai subdivision, in an amount not to exceed $65,500]

>> IT PASSES 5-0. LASTLY, WE HAVE ITEM 7.8. SINGLE SOURCE PURCHASE APPROVAL WITH THE MORGAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP. NOW

IT'S YOUR TURN TO COME ON UP. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS A SINGLE SOURCE AGREEMENT. I LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS. THIS IS A STORMWATER FAILURE IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. IT'S A DIFFICULT REPAIR FOR THE DEPTH OF THE PIPE. IT'S A PIPE THAT IS COMPLETELY SURCHARGED. IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING REPAIR. WE HAD A PRETTY INTERESTING METHOD, A SUBMERSIBLE DRONE USING SONAR TO HELP US ASSESS THE DAMAGE. WHETHER IT WAS LOCALIZED, A LARGER REPAIR. WE'VE GOTTEN QUOTES FROM MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS. ONE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT GROUP, WHICH IS REFLECTED HERE TODAY. THAT'S TO PHYSICALLY DIG DOWN, REPAIR THE PIPE. THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND REPAIR THE ROAD. THE OTHER OPTION TO BE LOOKED AT IS THE PROCESS USED FOR A LOT OF THE REHABILITATION, WASTEWATER AND STORM WATER RISES. BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS AND THAT OPTION WAS JUST SHY OF $200,000. THIS

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RESOLVED. >> ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW?

>> SO WHAT IS THE LONG-TERM LIFE OF THIS REPAIR?

>> THE REPAIR WILL PHYSICALLY REPLACE THE DAMAGED SECTION OF PIPE. IT IS A JOINT FAILURE WHERE THE JOINTS HAVE BECOME SEPARATED, ALLOWING WATER AND SOIL TO INFILTRATE, AND IT'S CAUSING THAT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND ACTUALLY REMOVE AND REPLACE THE SECTION OF THE PIPE WHICH IS GENERALLY 75 YEARS.

>> YOU WANT HAVE JOINT FAILURES WHERE THEY CONNECT THE MIDDLE TO

THE TWO ENDS? >> IT WILL PROVIDE A SECURE CONNECTION. WE WRAPPED THOSE JOINTS WITH A FILTER FABRIC. IT KEEPS THE DIRT FROM GOING WITH IT, WHICH CAUSES THAT SINKING.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL.

>> IT SAYS 60 LINEAR FEET, IS THAT ENTIRELY IN THE ROAD?

>> IT'S INTERESTING. IT KIND OF RUNS DIAGONAL ACROSS THE ROAD, AND AT A VERY ODD ANGLE. THE REPAIR IS GOING TO INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING ONE LANE OF THE ROADS, SO THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, BUT IT WILL BE PASSABLE. THE REST OF IT SHOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE RIGHT AWAY.

>> AND OUT OF MY CURIOSITY, I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION WILL THIS BE A FIX, OR ADDRESS SOME OF THE FLOODING. IS THIS A LARGE PORTION OF THAT? OR IS IT JUST A

PIECE OF THE PUZZLE? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S RELATED, HONESTLY. THIS SYSTEM IS STILL FUNCTIONING. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF SEDIMENT IN THAT PIPE. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS REDUCING THE CAPACITY THAT IS LEADING TO ANY OTHER ISSUES. THOSE ARE KIND OF ISOLATED, YOU KNOW? GROUNDWATER ISSUES, OR PARTICULAR GRADING IN SOME OF THOSE BACKYARD AREAS. I DON'T THINK THIS IS DIRECT THE RELATED -- DIRECTLY RELATED, OR WILL FIX

THE SINKHOLE. >> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR HIM? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU SIR. DO I HEAR A MOTION? A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. DO I HEAR A SECOND? A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> A 7.3 TO SPEAK FOR MR. HOLBROOK. IS THERE ANYTHING WE MISSED ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM? I DO APOLOGIZE.

>>

[8.1 CAPACITY FEES - WATER & WASTEWATER - ORDINANCE 2025-01 AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWO, ADMINISTRATION, ARTICLE VII, FINANCE, DIVISION 4, BY AMENDING SECTION 2-482 BY ESTABLISHING A SEWER SYSTEM CAPACITY FEE BASED UPON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA AND BASED ON EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS; BY CREATING SECTION 2-483, PROVIDING FOR A SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY TRUST FUND, DEPOSIT OF FEES, USE OF FUNDS; AND BY AMENDING DIVISION 7, WATER CAPACITY FEE AND TRUST FUND BY AMENDING SECTION 2-540 PROVIDING FOR LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS; AMENDING SECTION 2-542 BY ESTABLISHING A WATER SYSTEM CAPACITY FEE BASED UPON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA AND BASED ON EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves an increase for the wastewater capacity fee and a decrease for the water capacity fee in accordance with the study completed by the Florida Rural Water Association.]

GETTING THROUGH THE SECTION EIGHT ORDINANCES. WE HAVE OUR FIRST READING FOR 8.1, CAPACITY FEE, WATER AND WASTEWATER.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS AT REQUEST OF THE COMMISSION THAT WE ARE REVISITING THE UTILITY CAPACITY FEES THAT WERE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR. WE HAVE RESUBMITTED THE SAME STUDY THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY BY THE WATER ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE CATHERINE WITH THE FLORIDA WATER ASSOCIATION -- FERNANDINA WATER ASSOCIATION . THE SAME TIMELINE THAT WAS MADE LAST YEAR. SHE AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH LAST TIME. IT'S TWO READINGS. THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED THROUGHOUT OUR UTILITY BILLING SYSTEM TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, OUR BILL PAYERS. SO I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER.

SHE KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR

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THE COMMISSIONER IN PUBLIC? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I WILL STEP BACK WALK IN THE IN FRONT OF THE MIC, BUT ALSO SEE THE SLIDES. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT YOU WENT TO YOUR TAB IN YOUR KITCHEN, TURNED DOWN THE WATER, AND WENT WOW? I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO GET THIS WATER HERE. AND YOUR WASTEWATER WOULD LEAVE YOUR HOUSE. THESE ARE THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY. TAKEN FOR GRANTED THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WATER. FOR THE WATER ASSOCIATION, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SPECIALIZE IN IS WATER RIGS, WATER FINANCING, WE'VE DONE WELL OVER 1000 STUDIES. WE'VE NEVER HAD A LEGAL CHALLENGE AS PART OF OUR SERVICE TO PROVIDE FOR THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE UTILITIES POSSIBLE. THERE ARE FOUR WAYS THAT YOU HAVE REVENUE. YOU HAVE CONNECTION CHARGES FOR WHEN A NEW SERVICE GOES ON. PUT IN THE METER. AND CAPACITY FEES. SO WHAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN TONIGHT IS WHAT THE CAPACITIES ARE, WHAT IT MEANS FOR YOU, WHAT THE BASES ARE FOR THEM. WHEN THEY SAY CAPACITY, YOU HAVE HAD TO PLAN AHEAD OF TIME AND PUT IN ENOUGH TREATMENT PIPES SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME ONLINE FOR YOU, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO PUT THESE UTILITIES IN THE PLACE. YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR GRANTS, YOUR FUNDING. GRANTS, FUNDING, DESIGN, GETTING THEM CONSTRUCTED. HAVING THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE YEAR. YOU CAN'T SAY OKAY, BUT THE PIPES IN, HAVE EVERYTHING READY. YOU HAVE TO BUILD IN CAPACITY TO YOUR SYSTEM AHEAD OF TIME, IT'S ALREADY AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO AHEAD OF TIME, YOUR CITIZENS AND CUSTOMERS HAVE HAD TO HAVE RATES FOR WHAT IS PUT IN. YOU'VE BEEN SPENDING MONEY TO HAVE THIS FACILITY AVAILABLE, KEEP THEM AVAILABLE, MAINTAIN AND KEEP THEM PREPARED. THEY ARE THERE FOR THE FOLKS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND USE THEM. THEY'VE BEEN PAYING ALL ALONG FOR WHAT THEY ARE HOLDING. A ONE TIME CHARGE THAT IS ASSESSED TO NEW USERS, YOUR EXISTING HOMEOWNERS AND EXISTING CUSTOMERS. NEW USERS COMING ON. IT HAS TO BE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. IS NOT PAYING THE SALARY OF THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. IT HAS TO BE FOR YOUR TREATMENT PLANT. SO IT'S FOR YOUR CAPITAL EXPENSES, NOT YOUR OPERATIONS, AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON. SO IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING STATE. THERE IS ALWAYS THE QUESTION OF HOW DID WE PAY FOR IT? UTILITY COSTS HAVE RISEN HIGHER THAN INFLATION. SO AS FOLKS NEED TO COME IN, HAVING THE UTILITIES

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AND ALSO, KEEP A LEVEL FOR THE CAPITAL NEEDS THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO THE QUESTION IS, -- I DON'T LIKE TO LOOK AT THE COST OF EGGS WHEN I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. DOES THE CITY NEED TO ADD ANOTHER COST? TO ANTICIPATE WHERE YOUR GROWTH IS GOING, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE PREPARED 20 YEARS FROM NOW AS YOU ARE GETTING YOUR PERMIT RENEWALS. YOU ARE ALREADY PREPARED TO MEET THE PROJECTIONS. LIKE I SAID, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD THE CAPACITY, TO BUILD YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAD TO KEEP IT IN GOOD OPERATING CONDITION. YOU'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO SPEND MONEY TO KEEP IT AVAILABLE. AND YOU ALSO HAD TO TAKE CARE OF THE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT. HOW ARE THEY DETERMINED? WHAT THEY CAN DO IS SEE WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING. IT'S NOT ACCURATE.

YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR SYSTEM IS WORTH. IT HAS VERY SPREAD OUT INFRASTRUCTURE. FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, THEY HAVE A LOT OF PIPES. A SMALL TOWN WILL HAVE LESS INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT CAPACITY FOR THE TWO. DIVIDED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU HAVE USING THAT. I THINK THAT -- HAD SOME INFORMATION ON CAPACITY PIECE. AND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. THIS WAS JUST SLIGHTLY BELOW THE AVERAGE. I DIDN'T COUNT THEM, BUT ABOUT 15 OR 20 CAPACITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AROUND FLORIDA. YOU TAKE THE TOTAL COST, THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE SYSTEM, AND YOU DIVIDED BY HOW MANY CUSTOMERS YOU HAVE. THAT IS THE COST FOR CUSTOMER THAT YOUR SYSTEM IS WORTH. THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN. YOU HAVE THAT TIMES 50. THE OTHER UTILITY TYING HOW

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THEY RECOMMEND THE REPLACEMENT COST. SO YOUR CAPACITY FEES FOR YOUR WATER CAPACITY FEES, CURRENTLY YOU HAVE $959 PER ERC.

THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO WHAT ONE HOUSE USES. THEN IT'S GOING TO BE EQUIVALENT TO SO MANY HOUSES, BECAUSE IT USES MORE WATER THAN JUST ONE HOUSE. $520 PER ERC, AND THE REPLACEMENT VALUE FOR ERC. SO, THAT'S FIVE DOLLARS AND 56 PER. YOU ARE ONLY USING 30% OF THE WATER TREATMENT THAT WOULD REPRESENT ABOUT 20% MORE CONNECTIONS. 80%, IT BE ABOUT 16,000 SERVICE CONNECTION. YOU NEED TO START PLANNING THE NEW TREATMENT PLANT AT THAT POINT.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO START BUILDING. THAT NUMBER OF SERVICE CONNECTIONS AT THIS FEE REPRESENT $44 MILLION WORTH OF CAPACITY FEES THAT THE CITY CAN HAVE IN ORDER TO HAVE THE MONEY AND RESERVE AVAILABLE FOR THE EXPANSION WHEN YOU REACH THAT POINT. FOR WASTEWATER, THE REPORT DOCUMENTS, $2480 FOR THE REMAINING, AND 7280 FOR THE REPLACEMENT. LET'S GO AHEAD TO THE NEXT ONE. AT THE TIME THE REPORT WAS WRITTEN, USED ABOUT 51% OF THE TREATMENT PLANT AT 80% CAPACITY. THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT $51 MILLION WORTH OF CAPACITY AVAILABLE FOR IT. SO THAT'S THE VALUE BEHIND WHAT YOU HAVE. AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE WHAT THEY ARE BRINGING IN, -- TO

THE KITCHEN SINK. >> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR

MS. CATHERINE? >> YES, I HAVE A QUESTION. WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY CHARGING

OVER THE PENNY YEARS. >> YES. BECAUSE THIS REPORT SHOWED WHAT IS THE VALUE PER ERC IN THE CITY. AND YOU HAVE BEEN

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ACTUALLY BEEN REVIEWED. >> VICE MAYOR?

>> I'M SORRY. >> I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON YOUR

TOES, GO AHEAD. >> THE FOLLOW-UP TO THAT, IT SEEMS WITH THE HIGHER RATES OF WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED IS PUNITIVE. BECAUSE OF WHAT THE CITY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST. SO LIKE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE TO COLLECT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. THERE WOULD NOT BE MUCH MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS ISLAND WHEN WE ARE TALK ABOUT CAPACITIES. THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH LAND LEFT TO TAP ONTO THE SYSTEM. MY POINT IS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE UP A WHOLE LOT OF ILL PASS MANAGEMENT MOVING FORWARD. THE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WILL BE COMING IN

HERE NEXT. >> YOU ARE NOT MAKING UP FOR LOST MONEY WITH THIS. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS CHARGING THE CAPACITY FEE FOR WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. THERE IS NO LOOKING BACK. THAT IS NOT A PART OF THIS REPORT AT ALL. THIS IS THE VALUE OF IT RIGHT NOW, PERIOD. IS NOT PUNITIVE, IS JUST A DAY.

>> I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >> VICE MAYOR, AND THEN

COMMISSIONER MINSHEW. >> THIS CAPACITY STUDY WAS DONE BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS ONE, WE WERE SUED AND WERE WAY OUTSIDE AND HAD TO PAY BACK ALL OF THAT MONEY.

>> THE PREVIOUS CAPACITY FEE STUDY WAS NOT CHALLENGED. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT DID NOT MEET THE NEXUS. THOSE ELECTED UNDER THAT STUDY WERE RETURNED. THAT'S A STUDY THAT WAS IN PLACE FOR SEVEN YEARS. IT'S RECOMMENDED EVERY 5-7 YEARS TO UPDATE THESE STUDIES. SO THAT WE ARE JUST IN THAT CYCLE OF DATING

THIS THEORY -- STUDY. >> BUT WE HAVE BEEN SUED BEFORE BEING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. CORRECT?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER MINSHEW, AND

THEN COMMISSIONER TUTEN. >> I MEAN, THEY ARE ALL RELATIVELY SMALL RULES TO THE CITIES. OR THESE NUMBERS THEY ARE USING NOW? SO IF I GO TO FLORIDA, I WILL PAY $16,000.

>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T THINK THEY ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE. NOT FOR

HIGH SPRINGS. >> OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

WHICH ONE OF THESE? IT'S A BIG JUMP, AND A LOT OF MONEY. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THESE OTHER SMALLER RULE CITIES, WHICH ONES HAVE TAKEN YOUR ADVICE AND ARE DOING THE RECOMMENDED?

>> FOR EXAMPLE, STOP CHOP. >>

>> THEY ONLY HAVE WATER. THEY DON'T HAVE WASTEWATER.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> SO THEY PASSED THE CAPACITY FEE, I THINK IT WAS IN APRIL? I SAW THE DIRECTOR IN AUGUST. AND HE SAID, SINCE WE PASSED OF THE CAPACITY FEE, COLLECTED $40,000

WORTH OF CAPACITY FEES. >> RIGHT.

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>> EVERGLADES CITY PAST THEIRS. I CAN GO THROUGH PIECE BY PIECE.

>> YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. >> THE LAST ONES, THEY ARE IN

THE PROCESS. >> RIGHT.

>> I CAN GO THROUGH. >> YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. ALL

RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THAT THEY HAVE THAT SAME CAPACITY? WERE THEY GETTING CLOSE TO THEIR CAPACITY? I'M

JUST AREAS? >> THERE IS A WIDE RANGE.

>> IS IT UNUSUAL FOR US TO HAVE THAT MUCH CAPACITY STILL ON OUR SYSTEM? WE ARE ONLY USING 36% CAPACITY? IS THAT UNUSUAL FOR A CITY THIS SIZE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND AS LONG AS WE HAVE?

>> IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE PLANNING. THE PLANNING OF YOUR UTILITY FOLKS, THE BETTER RUN YOUR UTILITY YEARS, THE MORE

CAPACITY. >> ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WATER. CAPACITY CAN BE A LITTLE MISLEADING. WHAT THAT IS ITS REDUNDANCY. WE HAVE A LOT MORE CAPACITY. WE DON'T EVER WANT TO BE UP AT THAT 80% NUMBER THAT IS HIRING US TO PLAN UPGRADES. WE CAN TAKE AN ENTIRE WATER PLANT DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE, AND IT WON'T AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SYSTEM. THAT IS THAT REDUNDANCY WE HAVE BUILT. WE KNOW WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD

20,000 MORE HOMES. >> RIGHT.

>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? >> SURE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE OTHER RECOMMENDED POTENTIAL FEES. THAT THE FLORIDA PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION ALLOWS FOR A PRICE INDEX, AND APPROVED INDEX. THAT WE CAN BUILD IN ANNUALLY TO USERS. DO WE DO THAT? DO WE USE THAT?

>> WE DO NOW. >> THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE DONE AN ANNUAL -- SO OUR ORDINANCE HAS WRITTEN INTO IT TWO PROVISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO RATE INCREASES. NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT USER FEES, NOT THE CAPACITY. SO THOSE USER FEES, THEY RECOMMEND EITHER DOING A FORMAL RATE, THE IMPROVED METHODOLOGY, OR FOLLOWING CONSUMER PRICE INDEX. PRIOR TO THE LAST THREE YEARS, THEY WERE STAGNANT. RATES WERE STAGNANT.

IN 2022, IT WAS LOWERED BY 14%. SINCE THEN, SINCE I'VE BEEN RUNNING UTILITY, WE'VE RAISED THAT BASED ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX EACH YEAR. THAT'S BEEN FOUR OR FIVE, 3% IN THE BALLPARK. WE ARE WORKING ON A FORMAL RATE STUDY TO DO A MORE THOROUGH ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE WHERE WE NEED TO BE. THIS CAPACITY FEE IS A COMPONENT OF THAT. WE HAVE DEBT SERVICE. IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE THE CAPACITY IN OUR CYST AS THE PRESENTATION SHOWED. WE BUILT THAT ALREADY AND WERE PAYING THE DEBT FOR PURCHASING THE WATER SYSTEM AND FOR MAKING WASTEWATER IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S WHERE OUR CAPACITY FEES GO TO THAT DEBT SERVICE. THE MORE THAT THE CAPACITY FEES WE COLLECT, THAT'S THE LESS THEY HAVE TO PAY. SO THAT GETS FACTORED IN THE STUDIES. THAT SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD.

>> WE HAVE COMMISSIONER MINSHEW. >> IT'S ACTUALLY ALONG THOSE SAME LINES. AND I KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN IT CAME UP BEFORE. WHY IS IT IMPORTANT THAT WE CHANGE THESE RATES FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? AS RUNNING THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT? WHAT DOES

THIS DO FOR YOU? >> HONESTLY, IT'S MORE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE COST. OPERATION UTILITY IS ESSENTIALLY A FIXED CAUSE. IF NEW USERS AREN'T PAYING FOR IT, THAN THE EXISTING RATEPAYERS ARE. THEY HAVE TO GET PAID. IT HAS TO BE PAID. SO WHEN WE CAN DO AN ANALYSIS LIKE THIS, IT ESTABLISHES APPORTIONABLE VALUE OF THAT COMMODITY THAT THESE YOU -- NEW USERS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF. THEN IT LESSENS THE BURDEN ON THOSE EXISTING RATEPAYERS. I THINK THAT WILL BE

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CONTRIBUTE LESS TO THAT. >> SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE WOULD REDUCE OUR DEBT SERVICE? DEBT SERVICE IS A NECESSARILY A BAD THING. SO ARE YOU SAYING AT THE TIME WE WOULD REDUCE OUR

DEBT SERVICE? >> OUR PAYMENTS ARE FIXED. WE HAVE A FIXED PAYMENT SCHEDULE. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T COLLECT COMES FROM THE RATEPAYERS. SO IF WE ARE COLLECT MORE FEES, IT

COMES TO PAY THE SAME SERVICE. >> OVER TIME, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MUCH DEBT SERVICE. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THAT FREE CASH IN THESE FEES TO PAY FOR YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS?

>> THIS IS EXISTING DEBT FOR THE WATER UTILITY. IT WILL BE PAID OFF. WE ARE LOOKING AT LARGE EXPENSES WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION. I DON'T FORESEE US BEING OUT OF THAT AT ANY TIME

IN THE NEAR FUTURE. >> ALL RIGHT. SO THE REUSE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS A NEW STATE STATUTE, RIGHT WHAT

>> YES. CAN YOU JUST TALK FOR A SECOND ABOUT WHAT ARE THE FINANCIAL APPLICATIONS OF THAT NEW LAW?

>> ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT WIRES, BY 2032 FOR THE MUNICIPAL WASTEWATER SYSTEMS IN THE CATEGORY WE FALL INTO TO ELIMINATE THE SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE OF OUR TREATED WASTEWATER. CURRENTLY, IT'S ABOUT 1.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY. BY THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATUTE, WE ARE NO LONGER DOING THAT. ARE WE ARE IN A VERY LIMITED CAPACITY.

WE ARE REQUIRED TO IMPLEMENT SOME OTHER METHOD. FOR US, IT WILL BE NON-PROBABLE USE, WHICH INVOLVES ADDITIONAL TREATMENT, FILTRATION, HIGHER-LEVEL TREATMENT FOR THAT. A COUPLE GALLONS FOR THE STORAGE TANKS, TO BE ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER

PLACE. >> HAVE YOU DONE ANY ESTIMATES ON WHAT THE COST? ON WHAT THAT IS GOING TO COST THE CITY TO

IMPLEMENT THAT NEW STATUTE? >> WE HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT IS UPDATED ANNUALLY. RIGHT NOW, IT'S BETWEEN 7-$10 MILLION MOST LIKELY. WE'VE APPLIED FOR GRANTS FOR THOSE PORTIONS.

HOPEFULLY WE WILL KNOW IN THE NECK COUPLE MONTHS OF THAT WILL BE A FACTOR. WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK AT LONG-TERM.

>> THESE FEES, WHAT THEY GO TOWARD SUPPORTING THAT PROJECT?

>> ANY FEES IN EXCESS OF WHAT THEY ARE UTILIZED FOR NOW,

CERTAINLY TOWARD THAT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> VICE MAYOR AYSCUE? >> SO BACK TO BEING OUTSIDE OF THE STATUTE, ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE SUED AND WE WERE WRONG WAS BECAUSE WE WERE PAYING DEBT SERVICE OUT OF THESE. CAN YOU SHOW ME IN THE STATE STATUTE WHERE WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT?

>> I WILL LET CATHERINE SPEAK TO THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE REASON WE WERE SUED. IT WAS THE METHODOLOGY THAT WAS USED,

NOT THE UTILIZATION. >> WE WERE USING THEM TO PAY DEBT AND IT WAS WRONG. THAT'S WHY WE GOT. WHERE THE STATUTE HAS THAT CHANGED? I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THIS IS GOING TO GET US SUED OR NOT, TO BE ABLE TO USE IT, OR PAY FOR THAT.

>> IF NOT MISS CATHERINE, MR. POOL TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? I HAVE BRIEF REGULATION -- RECOLLECTION THAT HAS CHANGED FOR OUR CAPACITIES, WASTE WATER AND SEWER WERE TREATED AT THAT

LEVEL? >> YES, IT IS WITHIN THE STATUTE THAT EXEMPTED WASTEWATER FROM SOME OF THOSE ARE GARMENTS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE BIG CHANGE FROM THE LAST TIME THE CITY GOT SUED, HAVING TO REFUND ALL OF THOSE. WHICH ONE? I BELIEVE THE

WASTEWATER SEWER. >> SO SHOULD YOU COMMENT, WHETHER THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL FOR THIS MENTATION TO PUT US IN A LIABILITY LIKE WE WERE IN THE PAST MET I CAN'T GUARANTEE NO

ONE IS EVER GOING TO SEE YOU. >> SHE'S ASSURING US IT IS PERIODS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY. IT HAS THAT EXPERIENCE AND HAS NOT BEEN CHALLENGED IN THE PAST. I THINK THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE MORE CREDIBILITY GOING FORWARD. GUARANTEEING WHAT THE JUDGE WILL

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>> THAT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

>> COMMISSIONER TUTEN? >> LOOKING FOR THIS STUDY, I LOOKED THROUGH IT CAREFULLY. IT'S KIND OF FASCINATING. I THINK ONE OF THE SHOCKING ASPECTS OF THE TWO CHOICES IS HOW MUCH HIGHER OFFICE SHOULD BE. AND TO ME, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. OPTION B -- THAT I SUPPORT THESE HIGHER RATES. WE ALL HAVE HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE. NOBODY LIKES TO HAVE A DAMAGE AT YOUR HOME AND REALIZE YOUR INSURANCE IS ONLY ON THE CURRENT VALUE. YOU LOOK AT THE REMAINING LIFE, THE PERCENTS ARE HERE. 6% ON SOME OF OUR STATIONS.

REPLACEMENT VALUE? $13 MILLION. I GET IT, THEY ARE GOING TO HURT. THEY ARE GOING TO HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND THEY WILL BE PASSED ON TO CONSUMERS. WHETHER IT'S THE PERSON BUYING THE HOUSE, OR THE PERSON IN THE RESTAURANT. I DON'T SEE HOW WE DON'T COLLECT THESE FEES AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF OUR EQUIPMENT. I THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY LAID OUT HERE, THIS MAP. THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

>> THE PRESENTATION WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL COORDINATES. SO OPTION A IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW. OPTION A IS WHAT IS IN PLACE ANDWHAT WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING FOR THE LAST YEAR OR SO. 1.0, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASED COSTS. SO YOU KNOW, A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE IN ONE AREA, WHEN THE COST OF THAT CAPACITY FEE GOES UP, THE VALUE OF EVERYBODY WAS ALREADY INVESTED SHOULD GO UP PROPORTIONALLY. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T HELP. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHETHER TO BUY NEW, OR EXISTING, THOSE ARE FACTORS THAT SHOULD BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

THEY'VE ALREADY PAID THESE FEES. THEY ARE INVESTED, AND

THAT HAS -- >> YOU JUST SAID IT. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE THIS ALL-TIME HAVE NOT PAID. IN MY OPINION, THEY NOT PAID ENOUGH OF THE FEES. MY POINT IS, I THINK IT IS PUNITIVE, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. IT'S BECAUSE THE NEXT PERSON BUILDING, INSTEAD OF $30,000 IMPACT FEE, IT'S GOING TO BE $200,000 IMPACT FEE, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU ARE BUILDING. AND TO ME, THAT'S PUNITIVE. I JUST FINISHED A PROJECT, OR TRY TO FINISH A PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW, 16,000, $17,000 TO TAP IN THAT FOR THE PAVILION. BUT IT WOULD BE 35,000, $36,000 FOR THE SAME THING. THE CITY HAS NOT BEEN IN A NEW PIPE FOR ME BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE THERE. I'M USING THE SAME PIPE. I'VE INCREASED CRIT FROM RECORDER IN AN INCH. ALL IN, I PAID ABOUT $18,000 FOR THAT. ON THIS NEW THING, 35,000-$45,000. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. TO ME, THAT'S PUNITIVE FOR THE NEXT PERSON COMING IN. TO ME, THAT'S PUNITIVE ON THE NEXT PERSON. SO THERE ARE ONLY 10 PEOPLE LEFT TO DEVELOP, AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO THIS. INSTEAD OF WHERE THEY MIGHT HAVE PAID 30, 40, $50,000 FOR THIS THING, NOW THEY WILL PAY 250,000. NOW THE NEXT QUESTION, EVERYBODY ELSE, WHAT THEY HAD TO PAY THAT MUCH? THEY JUST GOT AN INCREASE BECAUSE THEY GOT ONE UP ON THE CITY? THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT NOT DOING

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>> COMMISSIONER POYNTER, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TUTEN?

>> I UNDERSTAND YOU, THE INCREASE IS TREMENDOUS. BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE CITY DID PUT IN THE PIPES, DID PUT IN THE STATIONS, DID PUT IN ALL OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY JUST DIDN'T OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS. PERHAPS YOU ARE RIGHT, PERHAPS THEY DIDN'T COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY. IT'S THE PRESENTERS, AS THEY STATED, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS CALCULATION. IT'S LITERALLY JUST, THIS IS THE VALUE, THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF USERS AND THE COSTS. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THIS, THESE ITEMS AT SOME POINT, HERE IS YOUR -- WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CHARGING. WHETHER IT FEELS GOOD, OR FEELS PUNITIVE, I THINK IT'S NOT THE ISSUE. I THINK IT'S, WHAT'S THE MATH? WHAT DO WE NEED TO COLLECT? I NEED PEOPLE IN THIS CITY 40 YEARS FROM NOW TO NOT HAVE A WATER, OR WASTEWATER EMERGENCY. BECAUSE ALL OVER THE STATE, THERE ARE FAILING SYSTEMS THAT ARE COSTING

$30 MILLION TO REPAIR. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

TUTEN. COMMISSIONER POYNTER? >> TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, EVERYONE SHARES. EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS, THEY WILL ALSO CONTRIBUTE AGAIN FOR A FAILING SYSTEM. BUT YOU DON'T MAKE THE LAST PEOPLE COMING IN PAY AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE OF NOT COLLECTING THE DOLLARS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE VALUE IS NOW. THAT VALUE WAS THERE TWO YEARS AGO.

IT JUST WASN'T CALCULATED. THEY DIDN'T CHARGE PEOPLE. THEY DIDN'T CHARGE ME LAST YEAR TO DO THIS. NOW THEY WANT TO CHARGE ME. IT'S THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SAME EVERYTHING. WE ARE JUST JACKING THE PRICE UP ON THE NEXT THREE PEOPLE. WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT IS FAIR IS, THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE AN INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD. FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS SEWER AND WATER TO COVER THAT COST. NOT JUST THE NEW PEOPLE COMING IN.

THAT'S MY POINT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

POYNTER. >> POINT OF ORDER, WE ARE IN THE QUESTION PERIOD. NOW WE ARE JUST IN FULL DEBATE. SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD INTO DEBATE? OR TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE JUST IN THE PERIOD OF THE PRESENTATION.

>> WITH THAT BEING SAID, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WOULD DO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THEN WE WILL HEAR A MOTION. SO FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, I HAVE THREE THAT REQUESTED TO SPEAK. I HOPE

I READ THAT RIGHT? >> I WORK AT 1750 14TH STREET. I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW POINTS.

RAISING THESE FEES WOULD CAUSE ECONOMIC HARM. HIGHER FEES WILL STIPEND COMMERCIAL GROUP GROWTH AND ENCOURAGE NONDEVELOPMENT, MAKING IT HARDER TO IMPROVE THESE PROPERTIES, AND ATTRACT INVESTMENT. ANOTHER POINT IS RAISING THE PRIVATE COMMUNICATION. EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S BEAUTIFUL WHEN YOU GET HERE, BUT UGLY ON THE WAY IN. WE NEED TO NOT RAISE BARRIERS, LIKE THESE FEES WOULD DO. AND AGAIN, I'M REFERRING TO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AND CAN BE REDEVELOPED. NOT REMOVING TREES. MISUSE OF FUNDS, OR CURRENTS. THIS IS MY FOURTH POINT. OUR CURRENT WATER SYSTEM IS 40 YEARS OLD. PART OF IT WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED, AS WE DISCUSSED. SEVERAL CAPACITY VIEWS AREN'T ALLOWED TO GO TOWARD REPLACING OR MAINTAINING THE OLD SYSTEM AND CAN ONLY GO TOWARD NEW PARTS OF THE SYSTEM.

NOT ONLY IS IT UNFAIR TO NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE TO PAY HIGHER COSTS JUST TO REPLACE WHAT THEY HAVING USED FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS, BUT IT IS LEGALLY DEVIOUS. AND THE MOST

[02:20:04]

>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP, I HAVE MR. AUSTIN NICHOLAS.

>> AUSTIN NICHOLAS, 6747 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I AM REPRESENTING THE -- ASSOCIATION. IF THESE INCREASES ARE IMPROVED, IT WILL RESULT IN ALMOST A $7000 INCREASE IN THE WATER CAPACITY FEES. ANY NEW HOMEOWNERS WILL BE PAYING OVER $10,000 JUST IN CAPACITY FEES. THIS DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THEY WILL PAY IN OTHER IMPACT FEES. ALSO AS SOME PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED, AND COMMISSIONER POYNTER MENTIONED, WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THESE INCREASES, ESPECIALLY LIKE ALONG SOUTH EIGHTH STREET. FOR EXAMPLE, A LOCAL BREWERY THAT IS A SUCCESS STORY PAID ABOUT $31,000 IN CAPACITY FEES IN 2018. IF THEY DID THAT PROJECT WITH THESE MOVIE INCREASES, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN CHARGED ROUGHLY $95,000. SO THAT IS A $64,000 INCREASE IN FEES, WHICH THAT CAN KILL A PROJECT EASILY WHEN SOMETHING IS OCCURRING LIKE THIS. AND THAT COULD HINDER OTHER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN A FUTURE. THIS MEANS WE ARE INCREASING CAPACITY FEES AS IF THE ENTIRE WATER AND WASTE SYSTEM WILL FAIL TOMORROW. AND HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED.

THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS, SHOULD BE MAINTAINED IN GOOD CONDITION FOR THE WASTEWATER FEES, WHICH SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED FUNDS TO REPAIR REPLACEMENT. IF THEY ARE IMPROVED, THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THE ENTIRE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM WILL BE ON THE BACKS OF A FEW NEW HOMEOWNERS AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. AS MENTIONED ALREADY, ACCORDING TO THE 2023 STUDY ON THESE FEES, THE WATER SYSTEM IS AT 36% CAPACITY. THERE WERE 20,000 MORE SERVICE CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE. ADDITIONALLY, IT SAID THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM ARE AT 51% CAPACITIES. AGAIN, THE QUESTION OF WHY THESE ARE NECESSARY. THE NORTHEAST ASSOCIATION UNDERSTANDS THESE ARE NECESSARY. HOWEVER, THE PROPOSED INCREASES DO NOT APPEAR TO BE WARRANTED. WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED THAT YOU IMPOSE THESE, AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. NICHOLAS. I HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER. OH, YEAH.

>> RICHARD DEAN, 4104 DUNE PLACE. FIRST, I WANT TO THINK THIS COMMISSION OR BRINGING THIS ISSUE BACK. WE HEARD THIS IS%-Ú SUPPORT THE HIGHER FEE INCREASES, THE OPTION B. I THINK PEOPLE COMING IN, THEY WANT TO BE HERE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO ANNEX. WE KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME BIG COSTS COMING UP. AND THEY CAN BE PAID FOR. AND THIS WILL HELP WITH THOSE COSTS. EVERYBODY IS COMING IN THE CITY AND IS BENEFITING FROM INVESTMENT THAT PRIOR TAXPAYERS, EXISTING TAXPAYERS HAVE FUNDED. AND THE PRICE OF DOING BUSINESS. AND I'M SORRY, I KNOW $95,000 IS MUCH, FEES ARE GOING UP FOR A LOT OF THESE PLACES. AND I THINK JUST TO SINGLE THIS ONE OUT JUST TO SAY, LET'S CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS THE WAY WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. ONCE AGAIN, STICKING THE GOOD BILLS THAT WE KNOW ARE COMING WITH THESE NEW STATE LAWS. I COMMAND ANDRE AND HIS TEAM FOR THE WORK THEY'VE DONE.

THERE IS EVIDENCE HERE THAT THIS IS THE WAY TO GO FORWARD. AND I

[02:25:09]

>> THANK YOU. AND NEXT UP, MISS SHEILA --

>> SHEILA COKIE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS BACK. I AM GLAD TO SEE IT WAS COMING BACK. WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT UP LAST YEAR, THE DISPARITY IN WHAT WE WERE CHARGING AND WHAT THE ACTUAL COST WAS AS A CITY WAS VAST. IF I RECALL, SOMETHING LIKE ALMOST $60,000. I ADVOCATED THEN THAT WE SHOULD BE CHARGING. ALTHOUGH WE ARE NOT IN THE MARKET OF MAKING MONEY EXCEPT FOR THINGS ON THE GOLF COURSE, THE MARINA. IT COSTS THE -- TO DO BUSINESS.

FOR INDIVIDUALS, THEY SHOULD BE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. IF WE REALIZE WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING SOMETHING, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN THE PAST. THAT, I THINK IT'S FAIR. I UNDERSTAND MAYBE SOME OF THE LARGER ONES CAN BE IMPACTED. IN THE CITY FOR $7000. I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION TO HAVE. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS CONSIDER THIS.

>> GOOD EVENING. WHAT I REMEMBER, I'M NOT SURE IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. WHAT I REMEMBER, THEY REDUCED THE PHASE WHEN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. I THINK I FELT AT THAT POINT SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WAS A GRAVE -- IT HURT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE. I THINK THE ECONOMIC HARM IS WHEN WE DON'T PLAN AHEAD. WE JUST HEARD THAT IN 2022, WE NEED TO TREAT OUR WATER BETTER BEFORE IT'S RELEASED INTO THE RIVER.

THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT THE STATE IS TAKING THAT STEP. YOUR JOB IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE NOW. I STILL GET A HEART ATTACK EVERY TIME I CHECK MY BILL. I JUST THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE HIGHER LEVELS OF WATER TREATMENT. PEOPLE WHO COME HERE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO COME HERE.

THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST, WHAT IS GOING TO COST THEM AGAIN TO BUILD A HOUSE. THAT'S THEIR CHOICE, THEY HAVE TO WEIGH THEIR FINANCES TO SEE IF THEY CAN AFFORD TO COME HERE. WE KNOW WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME BEING ON THIS ISLAND. I DON'T SEE THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WE ARE GOING TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S ALSO HARD FOR WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING AHEAD, THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE NOW. WE SHOULD BE MAKING IT SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE GET TO MAKE THE CHOICE A VISIT WORTH LIVING HERE. OR DOES IT NOT?

>> I SEE NO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I WILL

HEAR A MOTION. >> THE PREAPPROVED ORDINANCE 20 2501, CAPACITY FEE FOR WASTEWATER?

>> MOTION ON THE FLOOR, DO I HEAR A SECOND? AND DID YOU WANT

TO SPECIFY THE CHOICE? >> I'M SORRY, OPTION B.

>> ANY COMMISSION OR DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR?

>> I WANT TO GIVE COMMISSIONER TUTEN A CHANCE. I CUT YOU OFF

WITH THE BAIT -- DEBATE. >> NO, YOU ARE SMART. I APPRECIATE IT. BACK IN 2003 WHEN THE CITY BOUGHT THIS UTILITY PLAN. BACK THEN, THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE ON THE

[02:30:01]

IT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT IT COULD LEAVE OUT THERE. THE DEPARTMENT FOR NASH ASSOCIATES. DROPPING THE NUMBER OF NEW CONNECTIONS TO THE CITY APPROACHING BUILDOUT FOR THE CITY LIMITS. IN ADDITION, THE CITY HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY RELOOK AT TO EXPAND WASTEWATER SERVICES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE SERVICE AREA ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES FOR GROWTH SYSTEMS AS SUCH FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS ANALYSIS. IT'S ASSUME THAT THE CUSTOMERS WOULD REMAIN RELATIVELY CONSISTENT. AND THEN THEIR ANALYSIS WAS WHERE IT WAS 29,600 PEOPLE LIVING HERE.

THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, IT'S NEVER HAPPENING. BUT THE REASON THAT WE REQUIRED THIS WAS THAT WE COULD SLOWLY BEGIN TO ANNEX PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AS WE'VE SEEN, THESE CONDITIONS AS THEY COME FORWARD AS THEY DO ANY KIND OF ANNEXATION AT ALL? ZERO GROWTH AND EVERYTHING. AND WHEN I SAY SEVERAL GROWTH -- ZERO GROWTH, I WANT TO MENTION, DOES ANYBODY HERE HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY PERMITS HAVE BEEN POOLED IN 2023 AND 2024. 75. 75 UNITS. SO THAT WE CAN STOP AN RV PARK. 30 OF THE 75 UNITS, WE WEREN'T GOING TO STOP ANYWAYS. THE STATEMENT THAT ANYBODY SAYS THIS IS OVERGROWN, AND THAT WE ARE JUST EXPLODING GROWTH. THE NUMBERS AREN'T THERE. THE POPULATION NUMBER ISN'T THERE.

IT DOESN'T EXIST. IT IS ABSOLUTELY A FALLACY. AND WE TALK ABOUT 75 ADDITIONAL UNITS IN TWO YEARS. EVEN A DENT IN THE CAPACITY I'M SORRY, I DON'T SEE IT. AS IT WAS BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT BEFORE, TALK ABOUT THE ERC. IT'S GOING TO CHOKE COMMERCIAL GROWTH. WE RAN A LITTLE HOT DOG -- WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT WE HAVE NOW, SHE TRIED TO OPEN A LITTLE HOT DOG SHOP. LOOKING AT ANY OTHER PROJECT IN. THE OTHER PERSON BUILDING IT FROM SOUTH FLETCHER, $150 -- $150,000. YOU ARE RIGHT, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. GO DOWN TO THE STREET, YOU THINK THEY ARE PAYING A DIFFERENT CAPACITY? THEY ARE NOT. THAT IS WHERE IT BEGINS TO SLOWLY CREEP IN. THOSE TRYING TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO SO. I JUST CANNOT SPEAK TO HOW WE HAVE NO NEED WHATSOEVER TO GO UP ON THESE FEES. WE WILL NEVER REACH THE CAPACITY, WE WILL NEVER GET CLOSE TO IT. EVEN AS WE SAID IN THE STUDY 22 YEARS

[02:35:12]

AGO. >> YOUR LIGHT IS STILL ON?

>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? >> DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY SEPTIC SYSTEMS WE HAVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS?

>> IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED I BELIEVE. THERE IS SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS. IN OUR SERVICE AREA I SHOULD SAY. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFFHAND.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY IN THE CITY? >> I'M SORRY, 650 IN THE CITY LIMITS. WHERE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY MEETING, IT'S ANNEXING PARCELS. I THINK FROM THE PRESENTATION, WHAT I GOT OUT OF THE PRESENTATION, IT'S FOR THE GROWTH THAT WE ALREADY BUILT.

AND PERHAPS WE MADE A MISTAKE. PERHAPS 22 YEARS AGO, WE BUILT ALSO MUCH CAPACITY. ALTHOUGH AS YOU EXPLAINED, NOBODY WANTS A PROBLEM WITH ONE OF OUR WATER PUMPS, AND WE ALL GET A NOTICE THAT YOU HAVE NO WATER FOR 3 DAYS WHILE THEY HAVE TO FIX SOMETHING. THEY CAN JUST SWITCH BETWEEN THEIR SYSTEMS. I WOULD ARGUE THIS MATH IS EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT WE HAVE. THAT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO BUILD IN REPLACEMENT VALUE. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH WHAT SHE SAID. JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CHARGE THE RIGHT FEES IN THE PAST DOES NOT MEAN WE SHOULDN'T CHARGE THEM NOW. THERE ARE 13,000 PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. AND THEY DON'T WANT US TO PLAN POORLY FOR THE FUTURE. AND IF IT'S GOING TO HURT, IT'S GOING TO HURT. BUT IT WILL HURT MORE LATER IF WE DON'T PLAN NOW. IF YOU DON'T BEGIN SAVING FOR YOUR KIDS COLLEGE, IT COSTS MORE LATER IF YOU WANT TO WRITE A CHECK THE DAY OF, YOU ARE WRITING A FULL PAYMENT.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TUTEN. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, ONE MORE QUESTION. I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE RECOGNITION IS. WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THESE FEES? EVEN IF THERE IS NOT THE INTEREST FOR THE POTENTIAL TO REACH THE CLOSE END OF OUR CAPACITY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IF WE WENT WITH OPTION A AS OPPOSED TO OPTION B, WE WILL BE ABLE TO -- THAT ARE NEAR THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE?

>> WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY, BASED ON JUST LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, THE REPLACEMENT VALUE VERSUS THE EXISTING VALUE, THE TWO OPTIONS WE HAVE AS PART OF THE STUDY. NOT TAKING THE ACCOUNT OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, JUST LOOKING STRICTLY AT THE OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE IT WAS LAST TIME. YOU REFERENCED THE STATIONS. I THINK ABOUT IT LIKE A HISTORIC HOME IN DOWNTOWN. THOSE HOMES HAVE REACHED THE END OF THEIR SERVICE LIFE ON PAPER. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAD TO DEMOLISH IT AND BUILD A NEW ONE. YOU CAN KEEP IT GOING. YOU CAN REHABILITATED AND REINVEST IN IT. A VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO BUILD A BRAND-NEW. WE WILL GO REHABILITATE THAT, THAT IS A LOWER-COST THAN WHAT THE NEW REPLACEMENT VALUE IS. IN REALITY, WE WILL NOT BE COLLECTING. NOT ENOUGH FUNDS TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE NEW REPLACEMENT VALUE. IT'S A METRIC. A WAY TO ESTABLISH WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT CAPACITY IS.

AND I THINK IT IS REPRESENTATIVE. I THINK IT'S

THE LONG-TERM FOR THE CITY. >> THANK YOU.

[02:40:05]

>> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR IN THE SECOND.

>>

[9.1 AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION - One appointment; two applicants: Mr. Frank Miller and Mr. Joe Bittaker]

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE ADVISORY.

>> THEY ARE IN ORDER. >> OKAY, GOT IT.

>> TAKEN THE TOP ONE. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE

ME TO DO? >> DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A PEN?

>>

COMMENT. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I THINK THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. I DO TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK. I WILL SAY THAT MR. MILLER REACHED OUT TO ME AND ASKED FOR THE MEETING. SO HE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT HIS VIEWS ARE FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY BOARD. AND THE VALUE THAT HE BRINGS TO IT. FOR THAT REASON, I WILL SUPPORT. AND THAT YOU WOULD VOTE TO PLACE

THEM ON THE ADVISORY. >> ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I THINK WE ARE READY TO PASS THE BALLOT DOWN.

[9.2 HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL - One appointment: Ms. Amanda Peeples.]

>> HE WAS UNANIMOUSLY ENDORSED. >> WE HAVE 9.2, OUR HISTORIC

COUNSEL. DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> GO RIGHT AHEAD. I THINK THE ADVISORY, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH THOSE PEOPLE. I LOOK AT HER RESUME. SHE LOOKS LIKE A VERY ACCOMPLISHED PERSON. BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HER RESUME THAT WOULD MAKE HER A GOOD CANDIDATE TO BE ON THE COUNCIL. WHAT I WOULD ASK, THAT WE HOLD THIS ONE OPEN. LET'S LOOK FOR CANDIDATES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE TO BE ON THESE DIFFERENT BOARDS. I WOULD WANT TO LOOK FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL EDUCATIONAL, EXPERIENCE, OR KNOWLEDGE. THE BEST POSSIBLE CANDIDATE FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

>> WE WILL START GETTING PICKY WITH VOLUNTEER BOARDS. WE BARELY HAVE ENOUGH QUALIFIED PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO THIS. NOT QUALIFIED, BUT NOT CAPABLE TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE

POINT OF THE BOARDS I'LL KNOW. >> IS THAT A MOTION?

[02:45:01]

>> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?

>> EMOTION AND A SECOND. >> CAN I SECOND TO TAP

DISCUSSION? >> I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH VICE MAYOR IS TOUGH TO TURN DOWN VOLUNTEERS. BUT HAVING MANAGED, I DON'T KNOW. THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS. I THINK FOR SOME THINGS, YOU DO NEED A HIGHLY QUALIFIED VOLUNTEER. IN MY EXPERIENCE THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE HDC HAS SOME DEALS WITH UNIQUELY TECHNICAL INFORMATION THAT I THINK THE VALUE OF A BILL THERE, AND ARCHITECT, MAYBE IT'S A BAD DECISION. THIS WILL SIT EMPTY AND WE WILL HAVE SOMEONE THERE.

I DON'T DISAGREE. IN FACT, I SEE HER APPLICATION WHERE SHE WAS APPLYING FOR THE CIA. SHE ALSO APPLIED FOR HER SECOND.

>> WITHOUT LOOKING, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY AT THIS TIME. I AGREE. I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD OUT FOR SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY IF WE

CAN PUBLICIZE IT MORE. >> THE ADVISORY BOARD, THE POSITIONS WITHIN THAT BOARD, THERE ARE SEVEN POSITIONS. EACH OF THEM HAS VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR. SO IT'S LIKELY THAT MS. PEEPLES DIDN'T MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE AN APPLICANT.

>> THERE ARE THREE VACANCIES, RIGHT? SO PERHAPS, WE CAN CONTACT MS. PEEPLES. I'M JUST SAYING THAT SHE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER. PERHAPS, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER FIT.

>> DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND? IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>

[9.3 MARINA ADVISORY BOARD - One appointment: Mr. John Anderson.]

ANDERSON. DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> I WOULD MOVE TO A POINT HIM

TO THE ADVISORY BOARD. >> DO I HEAR A SECOND?

>> SECOND PERIODS MOTION AND SECOND. ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>

[10. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

>> TOMORROW MORNING AT 11:00 A.M., THIS IS JUST A REMINDER THAT SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS WILL BE MEETING AT THE VISITOR CENTER. TOURING THE DREDGING SITE WITH THE CORE OF ENGINEERS. RESURFACING BEGAN A LONG THE FRONT STREET. THE REMAINDER OF THE WEEK THROUGHOUT THE OTHER LOCATIONS FOR THIS YEAR. SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AUDIOVISUAL, I WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHAT THAT PROGRAM LOOKS LIKE. ONE IS TO REPLACE THE PROJECTOR IN THE SCREEN WITH MORE OF A TELEVISION SCREEN. YOU WILL BE SWITCHING TO THE NEW VOTING AND SPEAKER

[02:50:03]

SECTION 11.0 7.01 B 10, THIS MAKES A WRITTEN INTERPRETATION.

THIS IS SUBJECT TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. PURSUANT TO THE LDCS AND ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL OF THIS INTERPRETATION, IT MAY BE FILED WITH THE CITY MANAGER NO LATER THAN 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS WRITTEN INTERPRETATION CONSIDERING THE PROPOSED USE. WE HAVE NO CLEAR INDICATION WHAT THE NEXT STEPS MAY BE. THEY COULD PURSUE THE BOA PROCESS, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. AGAIN, I WILL SEND YOU THE LETTER THAT WENT OUT LATE THIS AFTERNOON.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> CAN WE GO BACK FOR SECOND?

WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO MEET? >> AT THE VISITOR CENTER.

>> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING A STAND. THE TIMING WAS APPROPRIATE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR STEPPING UP AND DOING IT.

THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> YEAH. >>

>> YEAH, THANK YOU. I AM INTERESTED. I AGREE. THANK YOU FOR SENDING IT. I HAVE OTHER UNRELATED QUESTIONS. IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER AND WE DISCUSSED IT EARLIER, CHARLIE GEORGE'S PASSING, IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO POST FOREIGN ENGINEERING, BUT --

>> YES. MISS MATSON AND I HAVE DRAFTED THAT. WE ARE RECOMMENDING IT HAS CERTIFIED PROJECT MANAGER CREDENTIALS. WE ARE JUST DOING SOME HEADCOUNT CAPACITY RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE POST THAT POSITION. BUT YEAH, WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.

>> I WOULD THINK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT WE WILL BE

[02:55:02]

READY SOON. >> AND THE POSITION?

>> THE POSITION HAS. THAT WILL ALSO BE GOING OUT IN THE NEXT

COUPLE OF DAYS. >> WHEN DOES THE POST FOR THE

CITY ATTORNEY CLOSE? >> I DON'T HAVE THE DATE OFF

THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> OKAY.

>> SO WITH OPEN? >> YEAH, OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN

THE RFQ. AND A NEW FIRE CHIEF. >> WE HAVE NOT HIRED A NEW FIRE CHIEF. WE ARE STILL TAKING APPLICATIONS. WE'VE INTERVIEWED SOME INDIVIDUALS AND HAVE NOT FOUND THE RIGHT FIT YET. SO THAT

POSITION REMAINS OPEN. >> OKAY.

>> AND IT'S OPEN UNTIL THE 10TH OF FEBRUARY?

>> WE WILL CONTINUE IT IF WE DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT

APPLICANTS. >> YES, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP TONIGHT AT THE MEETING, WHERE DO WE STAND?

>> YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION. I FOLLOWED THAT WITH SENDING HIM A DRAWING OF THE WATERFRONT PARK WITH THE PROPOSED 1200 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE HIM UNDER THE LEASE. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK SINCE I PROVIDED THAT DRAWING. SO PART OF OUR PROJECT TIMELINE WILL BE TO IDENTIFY SOME MILESTONES. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A MUTUAL AGREEMENT, THEN I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO DO PURSUE SOME OPTIONS WHETHER WE WILL HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.

>> GOING BACK TO SOMETHING BROUGHT UP EARLIER ALSO, I WILL BE HOPEFUL AND SAY WHEN. IF WE HIRE A CERTAIN MANAGER, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THEIR MARRIAGE JOB WILL BE MISMANAGING THE

SEQUEL? >> I THINK THAT'S THE PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT IS MOST PRESSING. CERTAINLY, THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS HAPPENING. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TOP PRIORITY.

[11. CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS.

>> THANK YOU, BRIEFLY. THE POSTING ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY POSITION DOES HAVE A DEADLINE OF FEBRUARY 21ST.

THAT IS WHAT YOU STATED ON THERE. AND IN REGARDS, JUST ONE THING THAT HAS OCCURRED TO ME, THE CITY SHOULD BE CAREFUL ON HOW YOU STRUCTURE THAT ARRANGEMENT SHOULD YOU GO FOR A FIRM. YOUR CHARTER REALLY SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL. THE LANGUAGE IT USES AS FAR AS THE CHILD BEING AN ATTORNEY, IT SHOULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS ADMITTED TO THE DISTRICT.

SO I THINK THERE IS A WAY TO UTILIZE A FIRM, BUT I THINK THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT OF ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE COMPLIANT WITH YOUR CHARTER. FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW.

SO I THINK IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO WITH THE FIRM, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE SITE TO SAY, OKAY. THIS WILL BE AN ARRANGEMENT THAT WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DESIGNATED. THIS PARTICULAR PERSON, WHICH LONG TERM MAY RAISE SOME ISSUES. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN CONSIDERATION. JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU ARE COMPLIANT WITH YOUR CHARTER. SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF SOME COMMENTS. IT'S ON THE FOREFRONT, SOMETHING THAT IS

OF INTEREST. >> ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE,

[12. CITY CLERK REPORTS]

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. CAMPBELL FOR MENTIONING THIS THURSDAY'S 3:00 MEETING. WE DO ASK THAT YOU ARE THERE 5-10 MINUTES EARLY.

EVERYBODY, PLEASE DRESS NICELY. I WANTED TO THANK RESIDENTS.

THEY HAVE RECEIVED 203 REQUESTS SINCE JANUARY 31ST. IT TAKES TIME TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ITEMS AND REVIEW EVERYTHING. AND PROVIDING THE RECORDS. I JUST WANT TO THANK SPECIFICALLY MISCARRY. SHE HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS IN WORKING WITH US TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION. WE TALK THINGS OUT. AND WE GET HER THE INFORMATION THAT SHE NEEDS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE PATIENCE OF EVERYONE.

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>> THANK YOU, YOU ARE THE BEST.

[13. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

>> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU MISCARRY. WE WILL GO DOWN THE LINE FROM MY LEFT TO RIGHT. COMMISSIONER POYNTER?

>> I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS HONORED TO ATTEND THE MEMORIAL EVENT IN KINGS LYNN YESTERDAY.

IT WAS A GOOD SPORT. VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL. TO HEAR THE NAMES RED, AND UNDERSTAND WHO THE PEOPLE WERE, WHO WERE ACTUALLY IMPACTED AND KILLED. THE 29 PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THAT ACCIDENT. AND THE 50+ PEOPLE WHO WERE INJURED IN THAT ACCIDENT. IT IS A VERY SMALL COMMUNITY. I WAS VERY HONORED TO REPRESENT THE CITY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME DO THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP. WE HAVE REGULAR MEETING WITH THE SENIOR STAFF. OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO. THE SEAWALL, THE WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE UNDERPINNINGS. THERE ARE THREE BOARDS THAT HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT GENERAL AREA. SO HOW DO YOU TASK ALL THREE BOARDS. WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO? SO I MENTIONED THAT I WAS USED TO WORKING WITH -- WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FROM EACH GROUP COME TOGETHER. GIVING VERY SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS, COMING BACK WITH THE TIME CERTAIN, HOW TO RESOLVE IT. I WOULD ASK FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, REALLY THE CRAFTING AUTHORITY, THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT WOULD SHARE THE MEETING. A COMMITTEE OF FOUR -- HOW THIS ALL LOOKS LIKE. IF YOU WOULD TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT. THE TEAM OF 27 PEOPLE AND 21. WHEN I ASKED HELLO COMMISSIONERS IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU, IT SEEMS REASONABLE. THAT IT COULD GIVE THE STAFF SOME CONSENSUS ON HOW THEY MIGHT MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE HAVE A CRAFT BOARD MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT WHERE I THINK THIS WILL COME UP? WE WILL LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW AND GET YOUR THOUGHTS.

>> ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? >> I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.

>> I THINK THAT A SMART. THEY WOULD HAVE VERY DIFFERENT INPUTS. TOGETHER, I THINK THEY COULD HAVE SOME STRONG DIVERSE

THOUGHTS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, IF WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MY ONLY CONCERN IS HAVING THESE PEOPLE JOIN UP WITH THE GAZILLION TYPES OF IDEAS?

>> THEY ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE.

>> I WOULD NOT FORM THE THING UNTIL THEY COME TOGETHER WITH WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING, AND THE THREE OPTIONS.

BUT NOT AN OPEN BOOK. >> ONTO THE POINT OF THAT, EVEN

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>> THE TIMELINE, ALL THE IMPLICATIONS.

>> YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER POYNTER.

>> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A GOOD ONE.

>> TO FORM THIS COMMITTEE EARLY ENOUGH, GIVING THEM ENOUGH TIME TO DO THE HOMEWORK. THEY DONATE FOREVER, AND THEY DON'T NEED TO

START TOMORROW. >> BEFORE THEY WOULD START

WEIGHING IT? >> GO AHEAD.

>> WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE TWO MEMBERS? IF THEY GO BACK TO

THEIR BOARD. >> MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD BE TO REPRESENT THEIR BOARD WITH SOME CONSENSUS. THERE

COULD BE SOME COMPLICATIONS. >> THE HTC MEMBERS ON THIS

BOARD, OR WHATEVER IT IS. >> WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. WE

WOULD RATHER DO IT THIS WAY. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF CHEFS IN THE KITCHEN.

THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. I DON'T MIND IT.

>> THERE POTENTIALLY COULD BE 21 CHEFS IN THE KITCHEN. SO THIS IS A WAY TO GET IT DOWN TO A REASONABLE NUMBER OF A COUPLE OF CHEFS AND MAYBE SOME SOUS CHEFS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RIGHT. EVERYTHING WILL GO BACK INTO THESE COMMISSIONS. ACTUALLY IT'S MAYBE US WHO ENDS UP WHICH WAY IT ACTUALLY GOES. IT'S THEIR JOB TO PROVIDE US WITH INFORMATION. I THINK WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE IN BUSINESS ALL THE TIME. I THINK THESE ARE ALL SMART PEOPLE THAT

WILL WORK TOGETHER WELL. >> I THINK THE VICE MAYOR HAS A GOOD POINT. I PRESUME IF THIS COMMUNITY GETS TOGETHER, THERE WILL BE SOME PARAMETERS, SOME RULES OF WHEN THEY MEET. AND PERHAPS THEY ARE GOING TO REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL MEETING BECAUSE THEY WILL COME TO SOME KIND OF CONSENSUS.

>> AND IT WILL ALL BE IN THE SUNSHINE. IT WILL ALL BE

PUBLICLY NOTICED. >> I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL

FOR THAT. >> DOES THAT GIVE YOU DIRECTION?

>> THANK YOU, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> I JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS. ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR GOLF COURSE DIRECTOR. I'VE HEARD RANDOMLY FROM AT LEAST A HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE HOW MUCH BETTER OUR GOLF COURSE IS. THEY ARE EXCITED FOR THE NEW GROWING SEASON.

EVERYBODY, WE NEED MORE REVENUE. GO THERE FOR VALENTINE'S DAY.

GOING THERE FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH. AND THEN TWO MORE COMPLICATED THINGS. CAN WE COME TO SOME KIND OF SUGGESTIONS IN THE FUTURE, AND HOW THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR THE $10,000 BONUS? DO WE VOTE ON THAT? IS THAT HR DECISION? THEN HOW DO WE COME TO THAT CONSENSUS? IS IT OUT OF THE ETHER? OR DO WE SET UP SOME PARAMETERS?

>> WHAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, OTHER THAN SATISFACTORY. TASKING

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WHAT IS SATISFACTORY, OR NOT. >> I THINK AS SOMEONE WHO WAS VOCAL ABOUT DOING INCREMENTAL BONUSES, IF YOU ARE IN THAT POSITION, WE COULD. WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE IS STILL THE NECESSARY PERFORMANCE. ARE WE ON TRACK WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS? BOTH ON ANY GIVEN DAY AS WELL AS

A FORMAL WRITTEN PROCESS. >> AND THEN LAST, MAYBE YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT OF INPUT ABOUT IT, OUR FUTURE ABOUT OPTING OUT OF THE LIVE LOCAL TAX EXEMPTIONS. WHEN CAN WE ADD

THAT? >> I DID LOOK AT THE COUNTY RESOLUTION, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO MR. POOL.

>> THANK YOU. >> VICE MAYOR?

>> RECOGNIZING JUST HOW QUICKLY THAT IS ON OUR RADAR. ALSO, REVIEWING THE MOST RECENT RECORDING DATA. SO, WE ARE HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE A PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

>> THANK YOU MR. POOL. IT'S OPTING OUT OF THE IMPACT FEES, AND WHAT THE COUNTY DID. IT WAS OPTING OUT OF THE 80-120. SO IF YOU WILL COME IN AND BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING,

>> AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL TAXES. SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON. YOU DON'T OPT OUT OF THE ENTIRE. IF YOU ARE IN A PARTICULAR AREA, IT HAS AVAILABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>>

>> I'M FINE WITH IT. THAT'S IT, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

>> I WOULD LIKE THEM -- TO THANK THEM FOR HOSTING THE ANNUAL GALA. THEY MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAD US AS AN INADVERTENT PLANT.

WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN OUR SPONSOR. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE POLICE. THEY WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE SHELTER FOR RECORD-BREAKING COLD MITES. ANYONE WHO CAN ATTEND THE EVENT ON THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH AT THE MLK RECREATI

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.