[1. CALL TO ORDER]
[00:00:08]
>>> GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO OUR JANUARY 21 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT MEETING. PLEASE CALL ROLL.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY THE
VICE MAYOR. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH
[4.1 PRESENTATION - The Community Redevelopment Agency Advisory Board (CRAAB) will provide an update on projects and recommendations within the Community Redevelopment Area.]
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO KICK IT OFF WITH PRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY BOARD, CRAAB, ON DOWNTOWN PROJECTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CRA. THANK YOU.
>> SURE. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. CURRENTLY CHAIR OF THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD, SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD START WITH A LOOK BACK JUST BECAUSE MANY OF YOU ARE NEW AND THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN MEETING FOR THREE YEARS NOW. SO WE'VE WORKED ON QUITE A FEW THINGS. WE REALLY STARTED WITH LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTS THAT ALREADY EXISTED, SO THERE WAS AN OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES DOCUMENT THAT HAD BEEN PUT TOGETHER WAY BACK IN 2005. WE STARTED THERE TO REVIEW IT.
WHAT WE FOUND WAS THERE WERE QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND THERE WERE ALSO QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE NO LONGER RELEVANT. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THAT HISTORY ON WHAT HAD BEEN DONE. SO WE MOVED THOSE TYPES OF THINGS TO THE BACK OF THE DOCUMENT IN SECTIONS LABELED EXACTLY THAT. SO THEY'RE STILL PRESERVED THERE SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. THEY KNOW WHAT WE TOOK OUT BECAUSE WE FELT IT WAS NO LONGER RELEVANT, THOUGHT IT MIGHT ANSWER QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DOCUMENT.
THEN WE REPRIORITIZED ALL THE SEGMENTS WITHIN THE DOCUMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY ARE LISTED WITH OBJECTIVES AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE SIX OF THEM. THE FIRST ONE IS DOWNTOWN RESILIENCY. SO WE REORDERED SOME OF THEM TO REFLECT WHAT WE FELT WERE THE PRIORITIES FOR THE DOWNTOWN. THIS DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW WE'VE FINALIZED AS FAR AS OUR INPUT GOES. IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE IT. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY IN A MONTH OR SO. SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY LOOK AT IT AND TO GET INTO IT, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK MORE ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. THAT'S REALLY RUN THROUGH PROBABLY TWO AND A HALF YEARS OF OUR MEETINGS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WE WORKED ON BUT IT DID TAKE UP A LOT OF OUR TIME TO DO IT. THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE DID AND THAT WAS APPROVED ACTUALLY WAS RECOMMENDED TO THIS GROUP IN JANUARY OF '23, SO TWO YEARS AGO, PARKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE LOOKED AT LOTS C AND D AND THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WE HAD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED WITHIN OUR CRAAB BOARD THAT MET A COUPLE WEEKS IN A ROW TO SPEND TIME ON THIS, MORE TIME THAN WE HAD AT OUR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETINGS. AND WE ENDED UP MAKING A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT RECOMMENDATION EXPANDED USEABLE GREEN SPACE THAT WAS DOWN AT LOT C AND D BY 27%. THE WAY IT DID IT IS IT REALLY FORMALIZED THE PARKING THAT'S THERE AND PULLED IT TOGETHER SO THAT THERE ISN'T THAT HUGE WEDGE IN THE CENTER THAT IS A VOID THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO GO WITH.
IT INCREASED PARKING TO 17 WITH FLEX SPACES BUT 12 DEDICATED.
IT FORMALIZED CAR PARKING SO WE ENDED UP WITH 74 SPACES IN THE AREA. IT ALSO INCLUDES FOUR ADA SPACES. SO THAT WAS AN ADDITION. NOW AS YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A LOT. THERE ARE NO MARKS FOR THE CARS. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, THESE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MADE.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT TO IT. BUT THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS. WE FELT STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD REMAIN AS PARKING NEUTRAL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS AS POSSIBLE BUT THAT WE SHOULD LOOK FOR OTHER PARKING OPTIONS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE TRACKS. THAT WAS -- THE BOARD FELT
[00:05:07]
STRONGLY ABOUT THAT. THAT REALLY WAS THEN THE IMPETUS FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED ON NORTH 7TH STREET WITH THAT PARKING ADDITION, LOT E I BELIEVE WHICH IS BEHIND THE LOT THAT'S OVER HERE ADJACENT TO CITY HALL. SO SOME OF THOSE LITTLE PARKING AREAS THAT HAVE NOW BEEN FORMALIZED WERE A RESULT OF THIS PARKING RECOMMENDATION. LOOKING FOR JUST THOSE POCKETS OF WHERE CAN WE ADD SPACES BECAUSE WE KNEW WE NEEDED THEM.WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WATER FRONT WAS THE BEST PLACE TO PUT ADDITIONAL PARKING. SO THAT HAPPENED ALSO BACK IN '23. PART OF '22 AND THEN INTO '23. ONCE WE PRESENTED IT TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD, THE REQUEST WAS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE SPACE THAT'S BEEN CREATED BETWEEN THE RESILIENCY WALL AND THE FORMALIZED PARKING AREA? SO COULD WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SPACE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW WE WOULD UTILIZE THAT SPACE? SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING THAT AND CAME UP WITH A PLAN THAT YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH AT THIS POINT CALLED THE WATER FRONT PARK. THAT IS PRIMARILY A GREEN SPACE WITH WALKING PATHS, A LOT OF TREES AND LANDSCAPING IN THE PLAN, AND THEN A MULTI USE PAVILION AND RESTROOMS WOULD BE REALLY THE ONLY VERTICAL ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THAT AREA. SO THAT WAS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AN AREA IN WHICH WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND WORK ON. THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON TOO IS THE STREET WITHIN THE CRA.
WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT. REALLY MORE FROM STAYING ABREAST ON THE PROJECT BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW THAT PROJECT HAD SOME STOPS AND STARTS WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND THEN THE CONTRACTOR LEFT SO THE CITY WAS FORCED TO PIVOT ON THAT. WE HAVE BEEN KEPT UP TO DATE ON THAT AND ON THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PIECE OF IT BUT THEN ALSO AS THE PLAN EVOLVED INTO WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, LOOKING AT THE STREET SCAPE CONTINUITY SO THAT THAT SEGMENT WILL LOOK LIKE WHAT THE OTHER PARTS OF DOWNTOWN ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS STREET SCAPE IS TURNED OVER TO THE NEW PLAN. SO WE ALSO SECURED A GRANT FOR TREES ON THAT STREET IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000. WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL. THAT WAS A DONOR THAT HAS MADE A GENEROUS DONATION TO COVER THE TREES ON THE NORTHSIDE OF THAT STREET. THAT WAS VERY EXCITING. SO THE OTHER REASON THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE A PRESENTATION WAS NOT ONLY TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING BUT THEN WE CREATED A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE DOING GOING FORWARD. WE REALLY WANTED THOUGH TO BRING IT TO YOU AND TO HAVE YOU LOOK AT IT, TO HAVE YOU TELL US IS THIS THE RIGHT LIST? IS IT IN THE RIGHT ORDER? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE CONCERNED WITH? OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PRETTY AMBITIOUS LIST. BUT WE'RE STARTING WITH BRETT'S AND WE HAD A PRETTY ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT OUR MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH. BUT WE HAVE ALSO DISCUSSED IT IN THE PAST. AND I WOULD SAY LAST SUMMER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, THE BOARD MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE SPACE WOULD BE PUBLIC, WOULD REMAIN PUBLIC, AND NOT HAVE A PRIVATE USE. BUT WE ARE LIKE I SAID REVISITING THAT AND LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR THAT SPACE TO REUSE IT.
TALKING NOW ABOUT SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT LOOKING AT PULLING TOGETHER MAYBE ANOTHER AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WOULD HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM OTHER ADVISORY BOARDS WITHIN THE CITY AND THAT WOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A STAKE IN THIS AND JUST DISCUSSING WITH DISCUSSING WHAT OPTIONS THERE ARE AND REACHING TO THE COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT WITH A DO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANT TO SEE. THIS IS IN THE PRELIMINARY KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF PHASE. WE HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE WITH IT YET. JUST MENTIONING THAT AS AN OPTION.
PARKING LOT A AND B, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE IN TERMS OF AGAIN RECONFIGURING, MAKING IT MORE EFFICIENT, MAKING BETTER DROP OFF SPACE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. THAT'S
[00:10:02]
PROBABLY A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DISPOSITION OF THE BRETT'S PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY ALL TIED TOGETHER. OBVIOUS LID, THE RESILIENCY WALL PROJECT, ART LANE CLOSURES TICK SEAFOOD, WHERE DOES THAT GO? WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT? 101 NORTH FRONT STREET WHICH IS A PUBLIC LOT AT THE END OF THE STREET, WHAT BECOMES OF THAT, HOW CAN IT BE BEST UTILIZED. BOAT RAMP CONFIGURATIONS AND RECONFIGURATION TO BEING INCLUDED IN THE SEA WALL AND NORTH SECOND STREET, MAKING SURE AS THAT DEVELOPS THAT THE SIDEWALKS AND STREET LIGHTS AND ALL THE THINGS REFLECT THE STREET SCAPE THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN IN THE REST OF THE CITY. 115 SOUTH SECOND STREET IS THE BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT BACK HERE. THE BOARD HAS LOOKED AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO CITY HALL AS POTENTIAL FOR EITHER POSSIBLY PARKING OR PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OR SOMETHING. IS THERE SOME WAY THAT THAT CAN BE UTILIZED BY THE CITY TO MEET SOME OF THE NEEDS BOTH WITH THIS BUILDING AND WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING.THEN FINALLY THE PROPERTY WHICH HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT A LOT IN RELATION TO THE RESILIENCY WALL AND HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT PART OF THAT OVERALL PROJECT SO THAT THAT PROJECT CAN HAPPEN FINALLY. THAT'S REALLY OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT. BUT AGAIN, REALLY WANTED TO JUST UPDATE YOU ON WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND GIVE YOU OUR LIST AND HEAR WHAT YOU ALL HAD TO SAY AS FAR AS IS THIS THE RIGHT LIST? WHAT ELSE SHOULD BE ON THIS LIST? THAT TYPE OF
THING. >> THANK YOU MS. FINKEL STEIN.
>> SURE. >> ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO DISCUSSION?
>> THE 115, IS THAT OVER HERE. >> YES. THE WAREHOUSE, YES.
>> IT'S STILL FOR SALE? >> AS FAR AS I KNOW. THERE HAD BEEN A BUYER BUT IT'S STILL FOR SALE.
>> I CAN LEAVE THAT UP THERE IF YOU WANT TO.
>> I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL, WILL HELP DRIVE MORE OF THE CONTINUING DISCUSSION. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE LET HER GO AND JUMP INTO IT? THANK YOU. I WILL TAKE ANY BEGINNING DISCUSSION TOPICS ON ANY OF THE BULLET POINTS THAT WE HAVE OR IF THERE IS ANY FEEDBACK, IF THERE IS SOMETHING MISSING FROM
THIS LIST FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT LIST.
I THINK IT'S AN AMBITIOUS LIST. I AGREE. IT LOOKS VERY AMBITIOUS. IF THE FIRST FOUR KIND OF ALL GO TOGETHER, MAYBE
WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM. >> I THINK IT WILL BE BEST TO PICK ONE AT A TIME IF YOU WANTED TO START FROM THE TOP AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN. I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. WITH THE BRETT'S REPLACEMENT, THE DISCUSSION I HAVE HAD WITH MR. GLISTEN AND STAFF HAS RAISED CONCERN THAT AS JEREMIAH WOULD SAY, YOU CAN'T SIMPLY FLOAT THE DOCKS AWAY, DEMO A BIDDING, AND PUSH THEM BACK IN. WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT GIVING DIRECTION SOONER THAN LATER ABOUT WHAT WE THINK WE WANT TO GO THERE. I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS A GREAT WAY IF WE CAN GET DOWN TO TWO OR THREE PLANNED PROPOSALS AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME VERSION THAT BLENDS PARTS OF ALL OF THOSE. THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT STARTING POINT. I AM OPEN TO HEAR IF Y'ALL HAVE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
>> DON'T WE HAVE PASS PRO WITH A LOOK AT WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO DEMO IT AND KEEP EVERYTHING OPERATING. AND THEY WILL BE TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH THREE POTENTIAL IDEAS. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT BEFORE WE GO OUT FOR ANOTHER AD HOC COMMITTEE WITH EVERYONE'S WISHES, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY IS AN ENGINEER WHO CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SAY THOSE ARE GREAT IDEAS BUT WE ACTUALLY CAN'T DO
>> OR IT WOULD COST SO MUCH MONEY TO DO THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE THE EXPERTS COME BACK WITH US FIRST. BECAUSE I THINK THEY'VE BEEN TASKED WITH WHAT'S THE BEST AND MOST AFFORDABLE WAY OF DOING THIS AND KEEPING
EVERYTHING OPEN. AM I CORRECT? >> YES. WE HAVE RECEIVED PROPOSAL FROM PASS ASSOCIATES. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH NOW TO
[00:15:01]
BETTER DETERMINE THE STEPS. IN THAT THE REGIONAL PROPOSAL PROVIDED FOR US WOULD BE TO DEMONSTRATE DEMOLITION SCOPE AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, PROBABLE COST OF THE DEMOLITION, THREE CONCEPTS OF WHAT CAN GO IN ITS PLACE WITH PROBLEMS COST. WE GOT THROUGH THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT THE DEMOLITION WOULD BE DETAILED SO IT SHOWS AS A CONCEPT HOW MARINA CONTINUED TO FUNCTION DURING A DEMOLITIONPROJECT OF THIS SCALE. >> VICE MAYOR.
>> I THINK THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS, WORKING THROUGH THAT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD CAN CERTAINLY GET US TO THE POINT TO WHERE THEY'VE HAD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT MAY BE ONE THAT YOU WANT TO HOLD THE TOWN HALL FOR. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK INTO LIKE WE DID FOR THE PARKS AND HOW WE DID FOR BIOETHANOL. I HATE THAT FOR STAFF BECAUSE IT IS TEDIOUS ON THEM. I KNOW IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE RANCID, PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE UPSET THAT IT'S GOING AWAY OR IT'S NOT GOING AWAY OR SOMETHING ELSE SHOULD GO THERE. I ONLY THINK IN AIRING GRIEVANCES WILL BE ABLE TO HAPPEN IN A TRUE TOWN HALL FASHION LIKE WE SAW WITH BIOETHANOL. THAT'S MY ONLY SUGGESTION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE. COMMISSIONER MITCH.
>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN TO SEE TIME FRAMES PUT TO SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD SCHEDULE THEM OR HOW THEY WOULD FALL IN PLACE. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THESE WILL HAVE IMPACT TO THE UPCOMING BUDGET CYCLE. SO WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS IN PLACE AS WE GET THROUGH OUR BUDGET WORK IN THE SPRING. IT'S A LOT OF TIMING LIKE FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE RESILIENCY, $2 MILLION STATE APPROPRIATION, THERE ARE TIME FRAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THAT NEED TO BE CLEAR. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY NEED TO BE UP ON THE WALL ALL THE TIME, YOU KNOW. WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE BY THIS DATE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US ALL THE TIME, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND. LIKE IS THAT HIGHER PRIORITY IN FIGURING OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW VERSES FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO WITH PARKING LOT A AND B FOR EXAMPLE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THESE NEED TO BE MAYBE PRIORITIZED IN TERMS OF EITHER WHEN LEASES ARE UP OR WHEN APPROPRIATION TIME FRAMES GET INTO PLAY. I DON'T WANT TO EVER HAVE TO GIVE MONEY BACK AGAIN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET TO IT, RIGHT? SO I WOULD ASK THE STAFF TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. FOR EXAMPLE FOR THE SIMMONS PROPERTY, I AM NOT SURE WHAT IT IS THAT THE CRA BOARD CAN DO ABOUT THAT. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU HAVE IT ON THE LIST BUT WHA DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD ENGAGE IN VERSES WHAT CITY STAFF WOULD ENGAGE IN DIFFERENTLY? THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT ON THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS MORE TIED TO TIME FRAMES AND THEN AS COSTS BEGIN TO SHOW UP, TIED TO COST. AND SO THAT WE CAN BETTER PRIORITIZE SO THAT WE DON'T MISS TIME FRAME, DON'T MISS BUDGET PERIODS AND THAT WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE HEADED DOWN THE ROAD.
>> ABSOLUTELY. VERY FAIR POINTS. COMMISSIONER TOO.
>> FIRST I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ASKU TOWN HALL WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF EMOTION WRAPPED UP IN THIS ISSUE. I THINK YOU SAID IT WELL, AIRING
GRIEVANCES. >> IT'S NOT BEST OF US.
>> SOMEBODY CHECK THAT. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MINSU. I THINK CRA IS AN AMAZING BOARD AND WOULD LIKE TO TASK THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH PASS ROW IN APRIL. IS THAT NEXT
[00:20:03]
TIME WE MEET? I AM ALSO WONDERING IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A TIMELINE, CRA BOARD IS ALL VOLUNTEE. WHO IN THE CITY IS ASSIGNED AS PROJECT MANAGER TO SEE THESE TESTS THROUGH? AND I THINK I MENTIONED IT BEFORE, DO WE WANT TO LINK THIS PLAN AND THIS SET OF PROCESS TO OUR CITY MANAGER'S BONUS.>> A LOT OF WORK TO DO. >> SORRY. I KNOW YOU ARE UNDER WATER WITH WORK. BECAUSE I AM UNDER WATER WITH WORK. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE? WHO HAS THE SIGN THAT SAYS THE BUCK STOPS HERE
AND IS ACTUALLY IN CHARGE? >> I BELIEVE MISS KIM.
>> SHORT TERM, MR. GLISTEN. >> WHEN FINKEL STEIN JOINS NEXT
WEEK? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE FOR OUR MANAGER. >> SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO DO
SOME OF IT. >> I THINK THE SYNERGY BETWEEN THE THREE WOULD BE PART OF STARCH KEEPING CRA BOARD DIRECTED. I THINK WE HAVE A FINE LINE BETWEEN WE WANT TO GET THAT FEEDBACK. I WANT TO ASK WHEN WOULD BE FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR A TOWN HALL ON THAT KIND OF WORKSHOP?
>> I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR FOR DATES.
>> THAT'S OUR TIMELINE WE WOULD WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO.
THAT WAY WE HAVE IDEAS PROPOSED AND FLESHED OUT BUT WE DON'T GET TOO FAR AHEAD WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET
LOOKS LIKE. >> WE CAN ORGANIZE A TOWN HALL OR TWO PRIOR TO THE NEXT TIME Y'ALL MEET AS CRA WHICH IS
APRIL 15. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU.
>> VICE MAYOR. >> I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF THE DIRECTION THAT THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS KIND OF, IF ANYTHING, JUST KIND OF ROUNDED IT OUT. I SEE A TOWN HALL BEING CLOSER TO MARCH, MAYBE EVEN EARLY APRIL. I WASN'T LOOKING AT IT HAPPENING NOW. IT'S WAY TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR THAT.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW PEOPLE.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW PEOPLE. IF NOT YOU ARE WASTING THEIR TIME, STAFFER'S TIME, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE. THAT WAS WORKING OFF OF BRETTS.
WHEN YOU RADIOK AT THE RESILIENCY WALL, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, BOAT RAMP WILL PROBABLY BE WRAPPED UP INTO ONE. I GUESS THE ADVISORY BOARD COULD HELP US OUT. WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS ON THAT ONE. COMMISSIONER.
>> JUST GOING BACK TO BEFORE WE GO OUT TO A TOWN HALL MEETING AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PERIMETERS THAT ARE SET. BECAUSE THE BRETTS AND PARKING LOT A AND B AND RESILIENCY WALL, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, BOAT RAMP, THAT IS ALL TIED TOGETHER. WE CAN'T DO ONE THING WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PIECE. WE CAN'T TEAR DOWN BRETTS UNTIL WE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT'S GOING TO GO BACK THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PUT SOMETHING BACK THERE. IF WE TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN AND WE DRAG OUR FEET, NOT THAT ANYONE AROUND HERE EVER DRAGS THEIR FEET, BUT IF WE DRUG OUR FEET ON THAT THEN COURT SAYS THAT'S TOO LONG AND WE WILL NOT LET YOU BUILD BACK OVER THE WATER. I THINK SOME OF THIS IS A LITTLE PREMATURE FOR US TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ALL THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT BUT ALMOST ALL OF THAT MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PARKING GARAGE OVER HERE POTENTIALLY, ALL TIED TO THE RESILIENCY WALL AND HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN AND KEEP THE MARINA OPERATING THE WHOLE TIME, AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? RESILIENCY WALL THAT WILL HAVE TO BE BUILT WHERE BRETTS IS, THAT HAS TO COME OUT ANYWAY JUST TO GET THE WALL. THERE IS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE. I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ME COMING UP WITH AN IDEA AT THE MOMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PASS AND WHY WE'RE ENGAGING WITH THEM.
>> SO BACK TO THIS IDEA OF WHO IS RESPONSIBILITY, WE USED TO
[00:25:03]
SAY WHOSE HEAD IS PAINTED RED FOR A PARTICULAR PROJECT? WHILE I APPRECIATE THE CITY MANAGER RAISING HER HAND, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE TOTALITY OF HER DAY TO DAY WORK. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE TOTALITY OF SOMEBODY'S DAY TO DAY WORK. IF THAT PERSON IS NOT ON STAFF TODAY, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ORGANIZATION DESIGN NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE, HOW DO YOU GET A DEDICATED PROJECT MANAGER CARVED OUT EITHER OF EXISTING HEAD COUNT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE PROPERLY TRAINED OR DO YOU GO OUT AND CONTRACT IN A PROJECT MANAGER TO WORK SPECIFICALLY ON THAT WHOSE GOT THE SKILL SET THAT WE NEED FOR THIS PARTICULAR -- THIS IS REALLY HEAVY LIFTING. THAT'S REALLY THE STAFF'S JOB. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS THE RIGHT PERSON, WHAT IS THE RIGHT HEAD COUNT, WHAT IS THE RIGHT SKILL SET THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO BRING A PROJECT MANAGEMENT APPROACH TO ALMOST LIKE THIS WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST EVER ACTIVITIES. YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE THAT ARE SO INNER CONNECTED THAT IF YOU TOUCH ONE, IT WILL BE LIKE WACK A MOLE. YOU JUST CAN'T FUNCTION LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY -- IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE ON PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, TO ME, PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT PIECE WOULD BE PUTTING THE PLAN TOGETHER AND HOW WELL THAT PLAN GETS EXECUTED, NOT NECESSARILY THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS. BUT THIS IS THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THIS WATER FRONT. THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. THEN YOU WOULD HAVE CHECK POINTS ALONG THE WAY SAYING DID YOU MEET THIS ONE, DID YOU MEET THIS ONE, DID YOU MEET THIS ONE? IT'S JUST RIGOR, PROJECTMANAGEMENT RIGOR. >> THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S GREAT. HOW DO WE DO THAT? DO WE TASK? SO WE ASK THE CITY MANAGER FOR ONE MONTH FROM TODAY OR THREE MONTHS, AT OUR NEXT CRAAB MEETING, TO HAVE THE PLAN? CAN WE PHYSICALLY SEE THE PLAN, THE SCOPE OF WORK? NOT NECESSARILY SCOPE THE WORK BUT ALL THE CHECK BOXES NEEDED TO GET THIS WORK DONE.
>> IF I MAY MISS CAMPBELL WHAT WOULD YOU EXPECT IS A REASONABLE TIME FRAME THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT A PRELIMINARY PLAN TOGETHER TO ADDRESS THOSE KINDS OF
QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS? >> WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A VERY QUICK PLAN IN 30 DAYS. I THINK THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET. PROPERTY ACQUISITION, PERMITTING WITH ARMY CORPS. SOME OF THOSE WILL HAVE QUESTION MARKS AND A LOT OF PRICING WILL HAVE QUESTION MARKS NEXT TO IT. WE CAN PUT THE OUTLINE TOGETHER, PRIORITIZATION, SEVERAL BULLET POINTS UNDER EACH ONE. THAT'S NOT THE DIFFICULT PIECE. THE DIFFICULT PIECE IS THE EXECUTION AND HOW LONG IT TAKES
TO ACCOMPLISH EACH STEP. >> I WOULD BE REMISS TO CONTINUE IF WE DIDN'T AS A COMMISSION COME TO SOME BRIEF UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE ALL ON CONSENSUS OR NOT AS FAR AS HOW WE WANT TO FUND SEA WALL PROJECT IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR PARCHED OUT GRANTS WHICH AS WE DISCUSSED COULD BE A REASON WHY THIS BECOMES AN ARDUOUS PROJECT OR WHAT OTHER FUNDING IS AVAILABLE BESIDES THOSE
OPTIONS. VICE MAYOR. >> THAT STATE APPROPRIATION MONEY IS NOT GOING FAR. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT TO BRETTS OR EVEN PARKING LOT B. $2MILLION WILL MAKE IT FROM WHERE THE EXISTING WALL IS DOWN NORTH TO THE BOAT RAMP OR SOUTH TO COOKS. THAT'S IT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF THE CRA, THE ADVISORY BOARD'S PLATE.
>> THAT'S DONE. >> IT'S DONE. THAT'S ALL WE ARE DOING. THEN THE TWO CHECK MARKS OFF OF THAT ARE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND BOAT RAMP. THIS IS ARE WITHIN OUR SCOPE OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN SPEND THAT $2 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW IF THE ADVISORY BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT. WE WILL DECIDE TO GO NORTH AND ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND BOAT RAMP COME INTO OUR PLAY OR WE GO SOUTH AND WHATEVER. POINT BEING IS WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT. THAT'S NOT GOING FAR. I BELIEVE A AND B AND BRETTS NEED TO GO TOGETHER. YOU HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING THERE AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE BEFORE YOU DO IT. I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD CAN
[00:30:03]
HELP OUT THERE. THEY CAN GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. WE CAN HOLD TOWN HALLS OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AT LEAST. IT WILL NOT BE AN EASY PROCESS. THAT RESILIENCY WALL AND THE APPROPRIATIONS, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS. WHETHER THAT'S WAITING ON THE ADVISORY BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING ON, IT'S NOT REALISTIC. WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN WORKSHOP AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. STAFF DO THIS AND THIS WITH ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. RESEARCH THIS AND THIS WITH THE BOAT RAMP. HERE IS THE PRICE TAG. LET'S GO. THAT'S HOW I FEEL. I THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD CAN CERTAINLY TAKE ON PARKING LOTS A AND B AND THE BRETT STRUCTURE AND THAT WHOLE AREA THERE AND SAY WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? I HAVEN'T TALKED TO MR. SIMMONS ABOUT HIS PROPERTY IN WELL OVERA YEAR. >> HAS HE CHANGED HIS MIND?
>> IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I HAVE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE FEELS ON IT. THE NORTH AND SOUTH, THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE WAY FURTHER DOWN THE LINE IN TERMS OF THAT. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BE INVOLVED WITH MR. SIMMONS, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SEE THAT AS A PRIORITY NOW BECAUSE IT'S JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A.
THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. I WOULD LEAVE THAT ALONE FOR THIS
MINUTE. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
COMMISSIONER . >> I AGREE A LOT OF WHAT WAS SAID. IN TERMS OF TASKING CRA, CAN WE TASK THEM EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY EARLY? CAN WE TASK THEM WITH STARTING THE BEGINNINGS OF FORMING AN AD HOC COMMITTEE LIKE MISS FINKEL STEIN SAID, ESPECIALLY IF THAT WOULD INVOLVE OTHERS POTENTIALLY. BY THE TIME THEY PUT THIS OUT, FIND NAMES, ORGANIZE AND HAVE THEIR FIRST MEETING, IT'S MARCH ALREADY ANYWAY. JUST TO GET THEM READY TO DO WORK THAT WE MIGHT NEED
THEM TO DO? >> I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T PUT A LIST OF NAMES TOGETHER AND ORGANIZE. I AGREE.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT OR SOMETHING ELSE?
>> SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM PASCO? DO WE HAVE A DATE? OR WHICH HAVEN'T CONTRACTED WITH THEM?
>> WE NEED TO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE. IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE AUTHORITY LIMITS, CAN ENGAGE WICKLY. WE HAVE NOT ENGAGED YET OTHER THAN PROPOSAL. I WOULD IMAGINE IN 60 DAYS OR SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
>> SO IT'S KIND OF BACK TO THE WHOLE THING, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T WANT A QUICK PLAN. I WANT A GOOD PLAN. IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TELL THE CRA BOARD TO START THINKING ABOUT IT BUT IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING BACK FOR 60 DAYS THEN I DON'T WANT TO PUT A TEAM TOGETHER AND Y'ALL SIT WITH YOUR MOTOR RUNNING FOR 60 DAYS WAITING FOR SOMETHING SO THAT YOU WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK ON. I THINK BEFORE WE START REACHING OUT, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO SEE THE PLAN AND THE DATES. AGAIN, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? THEN I THINK WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. WE CAN RUN FAST AND HARD. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE IT ALL LINED UP.
>> VICE MAYOR. >> I HAVE A PROCEDURE AL QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GO MIXING COMMITTEES AND AD HOC. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE GOING TO THE PAB AND GETTING SOMEBODY AND GOING OVER AND GETTING SOMEBODY IN PARKS AND REC. PROCEDURALLY SPEAKING AND WHEN AD HOCS MEET AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY'RE STILL BOUND BY SUNSHINE. YOU START MIXING BOARDS. NOW HOW ARE THEY BOUND BY SUNSHINE WITH AD HOCS? I AM TALKING FROM A STANDPOINT OF WE START MAKING MIXING BOARDS AND AD HOCS AND START GETTING INTO THE MESS OF SUNSHINE. THAT'S THE POINT I WAS MAKING WITH. TALK ABOUT MIXING AD HOC BOARDS AND I WAS OFF ON THAT ONE. PROCEDURALLY, THAT WOULD BE FOR MR. POOL BUT PROCEDURALLY I DON'T THINK THAT CAN HAPPEN.
BUT I CAN BE WRONG. >> YOU COULD DO IT BY RESOLUTION OF THE COMMISSION. WHAT I WOULD SAY WITH THAT IS
[00:35:01]
IT'S AN ADVISORY COMMISSION. YOU ARE NOT DELEGATING AUTHORITY TO THEM. IT'S NOT A CHANGE TO ANYTHING YOU HAVE NOW. THEY'RE JUST COMING BACK WITH FEEDBACK. BUT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SUNSHINE. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROPERLY NOTICED, RECORDED, ET CETERA.>> I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE COMMISSION IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE GO IN THE FUTURE TO QUALIFY THE AD HOC TO BE SURE THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS. IT WOULD BE AN EASY START TO
PREVENT THAT FROM THE GET GO. >> COMMISSIONER POINTER AND
THEN COMMISSIONER TOOTEN. >> I WAS ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE TO PICK A CITY MANAGER. IT'S DO-ABLE. IT WAS NOTICED THAT WE WERE IN SUNSHINE THE WHOLE TIME. BUT MY ONLY POINT IS NOT WANTING TO BELABOR IT BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME UP WITH IDEAS, I LIKE TO HAVE A COMPONENT ALSO WHEN THEY COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HOW THEY PLAN ON PAYING FOR IT. I HEAR SO MANY IDEAS. WE SHOULD BUILD THIS OR WE SHOULD DO THIS, AND WE CAN MAKE SO MUCH MONEY. WE HAVE A GOOD TRACK RECORD ON THAT. SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY THIS NEEDS TO BE REBUILT, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, I WANT PEOPLE WITH THOSE IDEAS TO SAY THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO PAY FOR IT. A RESILIENCY WALL WILL BE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE. IT CAN TAKE A MONTH OF SUNDAYS IF WE TRY TO WAIT FOR STATE APPROPRIATIONS EVERY OTHER YEAR OR EVERY OTHER THREE OR FOUR YEARS. THAT PERMITS, THEY EXPIRE AND YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND START OVER AGAIN. THOSE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ON WHAT THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO DECIDE, HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS. I REALLY DO WANT TO HOLD OFF A LITTLE BIT TO FIND OUT WHAT PASS ROW SAYS BEFORE WE TRY TO ENGAGE IN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO START LOOKING AT IDEAS BEFORE WE EVEN KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE.
I KNOW IT'S FUN TO JUST THROW EVERYTHING TO THE WALL AND SEE WHAT STICKS AND HOW WE MIGHT DO IT. BUT SOMETIMES WE GET SO FAR OUT OF THE WONDERFUL IDEAS THAT WE CAN'T EVER BRING THEM BACK TO REALITY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS.
>> I THINK AS A CREDIT OF WHAT WE DISCUSS AS FAR AS REACHING OUT, IT WOULD BE MORE OF GARNERING IF THERE IS INTEREST IN SOMEONE PARTICIPATING AND PULL THE TRIGGER WHEN WE ARE READY TO GO. I UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONCERNS. COMMISSIONER
TOOTEN. >> I AGREE. PAYING FOR IT IS CRITICAL. ANOTHER KIND OF IN THE WEEDS THOUGHT, JEREMIAH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF WE ARE TASKING PAT PASSER WITH THIS CAN WE TELL THEM AND I PRESUME THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT, THAT THE FUTURE PLAN HAS TO REDUCE OUR NEED FOR DREDGING? WHATEVER WE PUT IN ITS PLACE HAS TO NOT BE A GIANT BLOCK IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT CHANNEL, SO THAT THE CHANNEL CAN ACTUALLY MOVE AND THE MUD CAN MOVE.
>> THAT'S DEFINITELY A FACTOR, ABSOLUTELY. AS POINTED OUT, SO MANY PROJECTS HINGE ON THIS VERY, DEMOLITION OF BRETTS, SEA WALL, DREDGING, PARKING LOTS A AND B. ALL THOSE WILL BE PART
OF THE CONVERSATION. >> WHEN WE ASK PASS ROW TO COME UP WITH IDEAS AND CONCEPTS THAT DON'T GIVE US ANY CONCEPTS THAT ARE ALSO STICKING WAY OUT INTO THE CHANNEL. WE WANT
>> COMMISSIONER. >> I JUST HAD A CLARIFICATION QUESTION FOR MR. POOL ABOUT COMMITTEE. WHEN YOU SAID THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE ADVISORY WHILE SOME OF OUR CITY BORES ARE ADVISORY SOME ARE QUASI JUDICIAL. CAN I MIX LIKE SOMEBODY FROM THE HRC, THE HISTORIC ONE.
>> HDC. >> SO I CAN MIX BETWEEN ADVISORY AND QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS IN THE SUNSHINE. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU.
>> I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE COVERED THOUGHTS AND HOW WE FROM THE
[00:40:01]
30,000-FOOT VIEW. THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED WHEN WE HAVE FORMAL ENGINEERING AND PLANS WE CAN WORK WITH. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN PRESENT THREE PLANS TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE SOME HYBRID OF ANY OR ALL THREE THAT IS AMEN ABLE WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER RESTAURANT, THE PAVILION, OR WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WE MIGHT HAVE THERE. UNLESS THERE IS MORE TO COMMENT I WANT TO DIRECT THE LAST 20 MINUTES TO DISCUSSION OF IF WE WILL HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BUILDING AT 115 SECOND STREET OR ANY OTHER PIECES THAT WE HAVEN'T FLUSHED OUT YET. I KNOW THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE AGREE THAT THE PRICE TAG ON THE BUILDING WAS COST PROHIBITIVE FOR MAKING IT A PARKING LOT WITHOUT SOME OTHER GREATER FUTURE PLAN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THERE HAS BEEN APPETITE AS FAR AS DISCUSSION TO FURTHER A PARKING GARAGE. EL NINO THAT'S A COST PROHIBITIVE UNLESS WE CONSIDER PAID PARKING. I AM HOPING TO HEAR COMMISSIONER INPUT ONTHAT. >> I WAS AT EVERY MEETINGS WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY. ON THE ONE HAND IT SEEMS A SHAME FOR THE CITY TO LET THAT PROPERTY GO. PROPERTY LIKE THAT DOWNTOWN WILL NEVER COME UP AGAIN. AT THE SAME TIME THE PRICE TAG IS INCREDIBLY HIGH AND HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR IT AND WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH IT? I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA IN TERMS OF A PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE OF UGLY OR IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. IT WILL BRING MORE CARS. DO WE MAKE IT PAVED SO IT PAYS FOR ITSELF. DO WE LEAVE IT GRAVEL AND DO VERY LITTLE IMPROVEMENT AND THEREFORE NOT MUCH COST AND THEREFORE ENDLESS FUTURE FLEXIBLE OPTIONS? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY SAY NO TO THE IDEA.
IT WILL NEVER COME AGAIN. DOES THIS CITY HALL NEED TO EXPAND?
DO WE NEED MORE SPACE? >> I CHECKED. THE PROPERTY IS STILL ON LOOP NET FOR SALE AND CURRENT LIST PRICE IS $2.2 MILLION. I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE OUR VISIONING SESSION IN LATE FEBRUARY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IS LONGTERM PROJECTIONS FOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES. I THINK WE HAVE STRUGGLES IN BOTH AREAS AND THESE ARE VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECTS. BUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN APPETITE TO DO A LOT OF EXPENSIVE PROJECTS QUICKLY LEADS ME TO BELIEVE YOU WILL BE DOING SOME BONDING AND IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO BUNDLE SOME OF THOSE TOGETHER IN ONE BIG BOND PACKAGE AND GET IT ALL DONE.
>> SO NOT TO JUMP THE GUN ON THE SECOND STREET PROPERTY BUT DO I HEAR COMMISSIONER CONSENSUS WE WOULD CONSIDER A BOND TO AT LEAST ROLL IN THE SEA WALL AND ANY PARTS OF THE REST OF THIS THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY NEED? AS WE DISCUSSED OUR SEA WALL AND FIRST FIVE BULLET POINTS ALL TIED TOGETHER SO THAT BUNDLE LOOKS ATTRACTIVE TO ME IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO BORROW MONEY FOR. CLEARLY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE ANNUAL TAX BUDGET OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. VICE MAYOR.
>> I THINK YOU CAN BUNDLE ANY AND ALL YOU WANT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CLEAR PLAN WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO THE VOTERS, IT IS FAILING. AND IT IS FAILING BAD. SO BEFORE YOU EVEN TALK ABOUT BONDS, YOU BETTER KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TAKING TO THEM.
OTHERWISE IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO GET 40%. IT'S GOING TO FAIL AND FAIL MISERABLY. YOU CAN'T JUST GO THERE WITH LOOK AT THE SEA WALL. IT LOOKS PRETTY HERE. WE KNOW THIS SPOT DOESN'T LOOK GREAT, HOW WE HAD TO GO AROUND IT. WE'RE GOING TO BUY THE PARKING GARAGE HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO PARKING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. YOU BETTER KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING OR IT'S GOING TO FAIL. I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS IN BUNDLING A LOT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEN IT JUST GETS TOO BIG. THERE IS A SAYING IN SALES, TWO NOT THREE. I THINK YOU START TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THAT'S GOING TO END IT. I THINK PERSONALLY A BOND IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO GET ANYWAYS. HOWEVER, I AM IN FAVOR OF A BOND. I THINK THE CITY HAS DONE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, CITY HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO GO AND ASK FOR A BOND BESIDES HAVING THE PRETTY PICTURES. WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT. I STILL THINK IT WILL BE A
[00:45:03]
DIFFICULT TASK. BE CAREFUL WITH HOW MUCH YOU BUNDLE TOGETHERBECAUSE IT GETS STICKY. >> I WAS GOING TO AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR. YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH IN IT INTO A BOND. BUT THE ONLY THING WE WILL GET THINGS DONE IS WITH THE BOND. WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS WE ARE SPENDING MONEY BUT NO ONE SEES WITH A WE ARE SPENDING. WE ARE SAYING WE ARE GOING TO PUT MONEY DOWNTOWN. WE ARE GOING TO SPEND MONEY TO FIX UP THE DOWNTOWN. WE DO HALF OF THE SIDEWALK OVER HERE, ANOTHER HALF OVER HERE, TWO TREES HERE.
PEOPLE GO I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO FIX DOWNTOWN? WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIX EVERYTHING ON OUR AD VALOREM TAXES THIS YEAR. I HOPE THIS COMMISSION THINKS FURTHER TO WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE MOVING HERE NEXT YEAR, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW THAT WILL BE BENEFITING FROM ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS WE DO OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS. THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD ALSO WHEN THEY GET HERE SHOULD HAVE TO START PAYING FOR THAT. IT CANNOT BE THE SAME TAXPAYERS EVERY YEAR PAY 100% SO THE PERSON WHO MOVES HERE NEXT YEAR GETS THE BENEFITS AND DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY. WE ARE GETTING TOO BIG. WE'VE GOT TOO MANY NEEDS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS LET THINGS GO TOO LONG. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME DOLLARS TO BRING THE STUFF BACK UP. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN MY OPINION.
>> SO FAR I AM NOT HEARING OBJECTION TO THE IDEA OF A BOND. SO TO REFOCUS THAT AND I AGREE WITH YOU VICE MAYOR AS WELL AS YOU COMMISSIONER POINTER, WE DON'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATERS MUCH. WE KNOW THE ESTIMATED COST IS IN THE 16 TO $20 MILLION RANGE FOR THE PROJECT. IF WE WERE TO HYPOTHETICALLY SUGGEST THE $30 MILLION BOND, TWO NOT THREE, WHAT'S THE ADD ON? IS THAT DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION? HOW IS THAT FLUSHED OUT? I THINK WE SHOULD COMMIT TO WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS ON GIVING DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING
LIKE THAT. >> I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF A BOND. TO VICE MAYOR'S POINT, WE HAVE TO REALLY DIAL DOWN WHAT WE WANT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE NICE PICTURES. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE ENGINEERING. WHEN YOU DO A BOND AND THE MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT ON THINGS YOU ARE SPENDING THEM ON. TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT IT CAN'T BE LOOSEY GOOSY. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO $5 MILLION TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN EVERY NICKEL HAS TO GO TO IMPROVEMENTS OF THE DOWNTOWN AND THE SEA WALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I HEAR CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF DOING IT. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO TASK THE CITY STAFF TO REALLY TOP NOTCH AND EVEN SOMEBODY WHO DOES BONDS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO PACKAGE BONDS. I JUST THINK THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY REALLY WANT TO GET SOME THINGS DONE. I THINK WE ARE ALL STRUGGLING WITH HOW TO DO IT IN THE MOST ECONOMIC WAY FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S ALL.
>> COMMISSIONER. >> I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY FIGURE OUT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE TO GET PACKAGED INTO A BOND REQUEST. I WATCHED MORE THAN ONE VISIONING SESSION WHERE EVERYBODY TALKED ABOUT A BOND BUT THEN NOTHING HAPPENED.
I ALSO AGREE THAT BONDS HAVE TO BE CAMPAIGNED AND HAVE TO BE MANAGED. THERE HAS TO BE THE APPROPRIATE STORY THAT GOES OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST WE'RE GOING TO THROW IT OUT ON THE BALLOT AND AWAY WE GO. SO IT HAS TO BE THOUGHT AND PLANNED OUT PROPERLY. I AM IN FAVOR OF IT TOO. I THINK THAT THE PRIORITIES ARE THE SEA WALL, REVITALIZATION, THE TWO MAIN ONES. AT THAT POINT IF YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT SOMEWHERE, YOU PROBABLY COULD SLIDE IT IN IF YOU COULD TELL THE RIGHT STORY. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD SAY THAT BUYING THE PROPERTY ON SECOND STREET BECOMES PART OF REVITALIZATION AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO OR WHATEVER. SO AGAIN IT'S HOW YOU WANT TO PACKAGE IT AND WITH A WHAT YOU WANT TO
[00:50:06]
DO WITH EACH OF THE COMPONENTS. WE NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT IT AND NOT JUST LOOK AT IT BUT ACTUALLY GET IT DONE.>> THANK YOU. I SEE NO MORE LIGHTS BUT WE HAVE TEN MORE MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION. SO I WILL TAKE ANY FURTHER COMMENT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS.
>> I WILL AGREE AND I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO PUT A BOND TOGETHER THAT DEALS WITH THE FIRST COUPLE OF THOSE. I KEEP THINKING THAT WE WON'T ACTUALLY FIND THE MONEY FOR THE RESILIENCY WALL UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE, UNTIL WE ARE HIT BY THE BIG HURRICANE AND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN IS REALLY DAMAGED. THEN WE'LL SAY OH YEAH WE SHOULD GET THAT MONEY. LET'S SELL IT. LET'S TELL THE STORY RIGHT. LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT A RESILIENCY WALL AND PROTECT ONE OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT ASSETS.
>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMISSION DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA, I WILL OPEN IT FOR FIVE MINUTES OR SO IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK. MR. STEVENSON.
>> PETE STEVENSON 1627 HIGHLAND DUNES WAY. A COUPLE POINTS ARE EXCELLENT. IF YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'VE GOT A WORKSHOP, A COMMUNITY GET TOGETHER, GIVE THE PEOPLE SOME PRICE POINTS. OKAY, IF I DO THIS, IT'S 1 MILLION. IF I DO THAT, IT'S TWO. TO GO WITHOUT ANY DATABASE, IT MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH A RATIONALE DECISION. I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU THERE. SECOND, I WOULD SAY THAT LIST, IF YOU DO EVERYTHING, THAT'S A 25 TO $30 MILLION PROJECT. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT AS ONE OVER ALL. YOU NEED A CRITICAL PAY OFF ANALYSIS ON THE WHOLE THING. WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH THE TELEPHONE POLE IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION TYPE OF THING, SOME OF THE SUBTLE THINGS.
WE'VE GOT TO GET THROUGH WHERE WE REALLY UNDERSTAND. HERE IS THE POINT. IF YOU CHANGE A CONCEPT, YOU MAY CHANGE THE CRITICAL PATH OF WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WHEN IT HAS TO BE DONE. YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP IN EFFECT A ROLLING PLAN BUT YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CRITICAL DEPENDENCIES ARE.
MONEY WILL BE A STARTER. I THINK THE OTHER THING IS HOW FAR YOU ARE GOING NORTH.? THE DRIP LINE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ALACHO STREET. YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO GO UP AND WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF DOING THAT? THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IF YOU DO THAT. I THINK, LET'S SEE, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS 21 YEARS.
WE PROBABLY HAD AT LEAST TEN PLANS. WHAT WE NEED NOW IS A PLAN THAT IS EXECUTED. WHAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE PARTICULARLY IF YOU GO WITH A BOND I AGREE YOU BETTER BE READY TO EXECUTE THE PLAN. IT'S HOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO SELL IT.
>> THANK YOU. WAS THERE ANOTHER FORM DROP OFF OR WAS THAT FOR THE REGULAR MEETING? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN AND WE'LL RESUME REGULAR MEETING
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.