[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:10] >>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE WORKSHOP FOR FOR FERNANDIA BEACH. >> PLEASECAL ROLL. >> FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PLEASE BE SEATED. WE HAVE [4.1 WATERFRONT PARK - The City Commission, at their November 19, 2024, Regular Meeting directed staff to place this matter on their January 7, 2025, Workshop agenda for discussion.] TWO ITEMS ON FOR OUR WORKSHOP DISCUSSION. ITEM 4.1, OUR WATER FRONT PARK AS Y'ALL HAVE BEEN CERTAINLY SEEING DEVELOPMENTS FOR PLANS AND SUCH. WE'LL GET INTO DETAILS ON IF THERE ARE MINOR CHANGES THIS COMMISSION HAS CONSENSUS TO MAKE OR OTHER FEEDBACK. 4.2, BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFE. AS MANY MAY KNOW AND FOR THOSE WATCHING WHO DON'T, THIS LEASE WILL BE ENDING IN DECEMBER THIS YEAR AND WE ARE LOOKING TO COME TO CONSENSUS OF WHAT'S TO BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY. DO ANY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WANT TO KICK US OFF? >> WE'LL START WITH 4.1. >> DO WE WANT TO HAVE JEREMIAH PUT UP PICTURES AND DRAWINGS. >> CERTAINLY. >> KEEP TALKING. >> IT'S A NEW YEAR. >> IF WE HAD OUR DOG OF THE MONTH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHO IN THE CITY IS ASSIGNED AS LIKE THE PROJECT MANAGER? [INAUDIBLE]. >> OKAY. ISN'T ASA GOING TO BE PROJECT MANAGER. >> FOR WATER FRONT PARK, WE HAVE ISSUED A PURCHASE ORDER FOR HELP TO MANAGE THE MARK. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, WHO THEY INTEND TO AWARD IT TO. THEY'RE HERE AS WELL TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK UNDER CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE SEE THE THREE BIDS AND WE'LL PULL THAT UP SHORTLY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS. WE ARE FINALLY THERE. SO WELCOME TO COMMISSION WORKSHOP JANUARY 7 OF THIS YEAR. THIS WAS THE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. IT WAS PUT ON AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONERS AS PART OF THE WATER FRONT PARK AND THEN THE SECOND TOPIC FOR THIS EVENING WAS REQUESTED BY THE MAYOR WHICH IS THE BRETT'S STRUCTURE HERE AT THE END OF CENTER STREET. WATER FRONT PARK PROJECT, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR SOMETIME. THIS IS A $2 MILLION PROJECT. IT IS EARMARKED FOR $2 MILLION. WILL BE FUNDED ON PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT FEES. THE DESIGN IS 100% COMPLETE AND BIDS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. TIMELINE FOR THIS PROJECT WAS FEBRUARY THROUGH JUNE OF 2025. REALIZE WE HAVE PUSHED THAT BID AS NEW COMMISSION CAME IN AND WE WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THE PROJECT. WE HAD TO WORK AROUND CERTAIN EVENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I JUST TALKED TO KBT CONTRACTING AND DUE TO DELAYS FOR MATERIALS, THIS TIMELINE WILL CHANGE. THIS IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF WHAT THE EVENT IS TASKED WITH. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE HAVE RECEIVED CONCEPTS AND FINAL APPROVALS THROUGH ADVISORY BOARD AND HTC. WE HAVE WORKED WITH WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION IN 2024, MADE IMMEDIATE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO IMPROVE THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING AREA IN 2024. THEN WE WERE TASKED WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON AND THEY WERE AUTHORIZED TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN OF THE CIVIL PORTION. GILLETTE ASSOCIATES AUTHORIZED TO COMPLETE DESIGN OF THE FACILITIES. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES THAT WORKED WITH BINDING HALL ON THE PAVILION AND THEY CAN DESIGN. AUTHORIZED CITY STAFF TO CONSTRUCT, PERMIT, AND COMPLETE THE WATER FRONT PARK OFF UP TO A $2 MILLION PRICE TAG. THIS IS THE FINAL DESIGN. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO INTO DETAILS. THIS IS THE FINAL PARK LAYOUT THAT WENT OUT TO BID, WAS PROPOSED AS A [00:05:01] PARKING NET NEUTRAL. YOU WILL SEE ONE AREA OF DISCUSSION, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE TOP COURT AREA THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. IT WENT OUT FORBID AS AN OPEN GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE FOR GOLF CART PARKING AND/OR EVENT PARKING. THE BID RESULTS, NUMBERS HAVE COME IN AND NUMBERS DON'T LIE. CIVIL PORTION KBT CONTRACTING WAS LOWEST AT 1.5 MILLION. THEN THE ACTUAL FACILITIES, RESTROOMS IN THE PAVILION CAME IN KBT CONTRACTING WAS NOT CHEAPEST. DUE TO HAVING THE LOWER BID AND OF COURSE THE BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO MANAGE BOOK PROJECTS, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TWO CONTRACTORS STEPPING OVER EACH OTHER TRYING TO COMPLETE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. OUR REPRESENTATION IS TO AWARD TO KBT CONTRACTING. IN THE BID, INVITATION OF THE BID WE ASKED FORBID DEDUCTIONS. THIS IS THINGS WE CAN TAKE OUT OF THE PROJECT AND THAT INCLUDES SITE DEMOLITION, INSTALLATION, TREE PLANTINGS. WHY TAKE TREES OUT? WE HAVE A HEALTHY TREE FUND AND THERE IS A WAY TO FUND THE TREES FOR THE PARK OUT OF THE TREE FUND RATHER THAN PAY THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT. THAT WAS WHY THAT WAS A DEDUCT. OFF OF COMMISSION DIRECTION WE DID ADD A COUPLE OTHER FEATURES TO THE PARK. IF WE BACK UP HERE, YOU WILL SEE THIS CIRCLE AREA. YOU ARE NOT SEEING THAT. SEE RIGHT THERE IN THE GRAY CIRCLE, IN THE VERY MIDDLE, THAT'S A CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA. IT WASN'T DETERMINED WHAT WOULD GO THERE. THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS OF A SPLASH PAD FEATURE, GLOBAL MOTION PLAY FEATURE, AND THEN A FEATURE NOT IN THE ROUND AREA BUT ANOTHER BID ADDED THAT WAS CONSIDERED. WE INCLUDED THAT IN THE INVITATION TO BID. THE GRAND TOTALS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CIVIL PORTION AND FACILITIES COMES TO 2.2 MILLION. WE SEE WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. PRICING FOR SOME OTHER FEATURES, ADDITIVES, SPLASH PAD, PLAY STRUCTURE ARE THERE. YOU SEE IN PARENTHESES SOME OF THE THINGS STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND. ALSO SOME BID DEDUCTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION. THE SIGHT DEMOLITION HARD SCAPE LIGHTING CAME IN RECENTLY PRICED AND WE DON'T REPRESENT PULLING THAT FROM THE PROJECT. TREES AS MENTIONED COULD BE FUNDED FROM THE TREE FUND SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT DEDUCTION TO OCCUR. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE TREES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PURCHASING AND INSTALLATION OF THE TREES AND THEN ONGOING MAINTENANCE? >> OR A CONTRACTOR WE WOULD CHOOSE AND USE TRUE THE TREE FUND, YES. >> SO THE COMPANY YOU BUY THE TREES THROUGH, YOU WILL STILL GET A GUARANTEE FOR SOME AMOUNT OF TIME IF THEY'RE PROPERLY MAINTAINED? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OTHER THINGS, ADDITIONAL VALUE ENGINEERING OPTIONS WE LOOKED AT AND DISCUSSED WITH KBT CONTRACTING AND THERE ARE OTHER FIELD ADJUSTMENTS AS WE ENCOUNTER THE PROJECT THAT WE CAN MAKE TO POTENTIALLY FIND FURTHER DEDUCTIONS AND NO DOUBT WE'LL ENCOUNTER THINGS THAT MAY CAUSE INCREASE, WOULD BE TO REMOVE CONCRETE WHEEL STOPS IN THE PARKING LOT, $16,000. THAT'S SOMETHING CITY STAFF WOULD HANDLE AND WE WOULD GO A DIFFERENT ROUTE. THERE IS A SAVINGS. ANOTHER PROJECT DEDUCTION WOULD BE REMOVAL TREE GRADES. WE HAVE NOT FOUND THEY WORKED THAT WELL. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO PUT PROTECTION BARRIER AROUND TREES THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE $45,000 WORTH OF METAL. YOU CAN DO THAT THROUGH LANDSCAPING. ANOTHER COST WE WERE CHARGED TO LOOK INTO CONSIDER IS IF WE WERE TO LEAVE THE COURTS ALONE, WHAT WOULD BE THE SAVINGS? THAT COMES IN AT $46,000 TO LEAVE THE COURTS AS THEY ARE AND NOT GRASS OR IRRIGATE THE AREA. >> WE DID PROVIDE THIS TO KBT CONTRACTING FOR CONSIDERATION AND THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE REALIZING THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PROJECT AS A GREEN OPEN GRASS AREA. THEN WE WENT BACK AND SAID TAKE OUT THE GRASS IRRIGATION FOR THIS PORTION, 13,850 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S HOW THEY ARRIVED AT THE DEDUCTION IF IT WAS CHOSEN TO GO THAT ROUTE. THAT REALLY IS THE LATEST UPDATE ON THE WATER FRONT PARK. AS MENTIONED, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE ISSUED INTENT TO AWARD BID. IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE DIRECTION, WE WOULD ISSUE ATTEMPT TO PROCEED. THEY'VE INDICATED THEY CAN START MOBILIZATION WITHIN TEN DAYS AND THEN WE WILL GET THIS PROJECT UNDERWAY. [00:10:03] WE AWAIT YOUR FEEDBACK. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SCREEN ? DO WE NEED THAT MANY JUST IN GENERAL? I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT'S GETTING USED OFTEN, ALL THE COURTS. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY A SMALL REDUCTION FROM WHAT'S THERE. THEY DID TIGHTEN IT A BIT. THE SIDEWALK PERIMETER, YOU SEE THOSE CORNERS WERE CUT DOWN. MR. ABBOTT IS HERE WITH THE BULLS CLUB AND I AM SURE HE CAN SPEAK TO COURT REQUIREMENTS THEY NEED PER CERTAIN REGIONAL TOURNAMENT PLAY AND HE IS TO MY LEFT. I AM PUTTING HIM ON THE SLOT SO HE CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE NEEDS. ONCE AGAIN WE LOOKED INTO IF YOU LEAVE THE COURTS ALONE AND WORK AROUND IT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? >> HOW ARE WE ACCOMMODATING AS REQUEST OF THAT WILL ALSO MEANT TO BE FLEXIBLE PARKING WHEN NOT IN USE? WILL WE CREATE LANES THAT CUT THROUGH? WHAT DIRECTION WOULD BE THERE FOR PEOPLE DRIVING TO KNOW THAT'S ALSO OVERFLOW PARKING? >> IF YOU WILL SEE IN THE RENDITION, REALLY BOTH OF THEM, I NEED A LASER POINTER. YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A DRIVE THAT COMES IN ON THE BOTTOM CORNER OF THE COURT. THAT PROVIDES ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES TO GET IN THERE AND WORK, FOOD TRUCKS TO COME IN, AND TO ACCESS THAT AREA IF NEED BE. THAT IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, THAT DRIVE PAVEMENT ON TO THE SURFACE. AS WAS DISCUSSED, THE COURTS, WHEN THEY'RE BEING USED AS SUCH, WHEN YOU HAVE WOODEN PERIMETER AROUND THEM, OUTSIDE OF THAT THEY CAN BE WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE. A PLACE FOR FOOD TRUCKS, TENTS, ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR AN EVENT. IT'S REALLY A LEVEL GRAVEL SPACE WITH TIMBER PERIMETER AROUND IT. THE PRICE SOUNDS MORE ELABORATE OF A SPORTS BASE THAN WHAT IT IS BUT IT'S REALLY MANICURED GRAVEL WITH A TIMBER AROUND SO THEY CAN PLAY THEIR GAMES. >> WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THIS IDEA OF OVERFLOW AND WHATEVER IS ONLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS OR CERTAIN TIMES. IT'S NOT JUST GENERAL PARKING. >> I MEAN, IT COULD BE USED -- I TAKE BACK TO WHEN WE TRIED TO THIS THREAD THE NEEDLE TO HAVE A PARKING OR GREEN SPACE. YES, YOU CAN USE IT FOR OVERFLOW PARKING. BULLS CLUB, THEY USE THIS DURING THE WINTER MONTHS AND THEN DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, THEY MOVE TO CENTRAL PARK WHICH IS JUST REHABBED FROM A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. THERE ARE OPTIONS HERE. >> SORRY. >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, FEBRUARY 23, THERE IS A FUND RAISER TOURNAMENT. I AM GOING IT PLAY IN IT. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. I WAS THERE AND I AM COMPETITIVE. SO I SAID I NEED TO LEARN. THERE WERE 22 PEOPLE THERE PLAYING WHEN I WAS THERE WITH MY FRIEND TODAY . I AM ALL FOR IT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IT BRINGS TO THE CITY WHEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE TRAVEL HERE. IT PAYS FOR GRAVEL. BECAUSE THEY USE THE PARKING LOT FOR ADDITIONAL, THEY PAY FOR GRAVEL THAT THE CITY GRADES. SO WE ARE GETTING FREE MATERIAL EVERY YEAR FOR THE PARKING LOT. IF WE CAN USE IT FOR OVER FLOW, I AM FOR IT. >> THEY'RE NOT THERE ALL DURING THE SUMMER BECAUSE IT'S TOO HOT. THAT WOULD BE PARKING. THAT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST DURING SUMMER WHEN WE NEED PARKING. BOAT TRAILERS CAN BE DOWN THERE. THERE IS ALWAYS A NEED FOR MORE BOAT TRAILER PARKING AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT SHOULD BE I THINK UTILIZED FOR THAT. WE KEEP TRYING TO THREAD THIS NEEDLE BUT WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO. IT'S OPEN SPACE THAT DURING THE SUMMER, IT'S SO HOT, NOBODY USES IT. >> AGREED. [00:15:01] >> VICE MAYOR. >> SO THE MAYOR AND MYSELF SAT THROUGH HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT, HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS, INTERRUPTIONS OF DINNER AT BOAT HOUSE, INTERRUPTED -- NOT INTERRUPTED -- BUT STOPPED IN ISLE 1, 3, 7 IN PUBLIX OVER THIS ISSUE. I FIND IT DISINGENUOUS FOR THIS COMMISSION TO GIVE CONSENSUS TO GO WE'RE GOING BACK TO PETANQUE WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. GO TO ONE FACEBOOK PAGE RIGHT NOW THAT HAS NO IDEA THIS IS COMING UP AND IT IS PROBABLY ALREADY ON FIRE. IT IS PROBABLY BURNING DOWN. IN MY OPINION, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT AND BRING PETANQUE BACK, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COME UP AND EITHER VOICE THEIR, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT OF IT OR VOICE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT KEEPING IT OR CHANGING IT TO PARKING. WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD AND WE WENT THROUGH FIRE TO GET TO THIS POINT, COMPLETELY DISINGENUOUS TO GO WITH A STROKE OF A PEN IT IS BACK. I CANNOT SPEAK LOUDLY ENOUGH TO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AND JUST STROKE THE PEN. IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THIS IS OUR WORKSHOP TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. >> RIGHT. IF WE WANT TO DO IT, BRING IT UP. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND LET'S HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I AM FINE. NO ISSUE. >> THAT'S WHAT THIS WORKSHOP IS, ISN'T IT? FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND HEAR UPDATES ON THE WATER PARK AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? I AM NOT DISAGREEING IN THE SENSE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER HEARD FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION THE RESOLUTION ON WHERE YOU ARE PUTTING THE PETANQUE COURTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE AT A BALLPARK AND THEN THAT WASN'T DONE. THEN IS IT GOING TO TEAR DOWN TREES AT CENTRAL PARK? IT WAS THEN JUST LEFT AT LIMBO. MAYBE YOU CAN FILL US IN ON WHERE WAS THE PETANQUE GOING TO END UP BEING IF IT'S NOT THERE, NOT AT CENTRAL PARK, NOT THE BALL FIELD? >> WHAT JUST HAPPENED, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK IS WHAT WAS AGREED ON. REMOVING THE PETANQUE COURTS FROM THERE WILL NOT AFFECT THE TOURNAMENT. THE TOURNAMENT WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BE HELD RIGHT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT. I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST IT. I AM SAYING IF THIS IS A CHANGE THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE MADE IN A WORKSHOP. I THINK IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOW THAT FEEDBACK TO HAPPEN AGAIN. I WENT THROUGH IT, AND I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION PUT US -- PREVIOUS COMMISSION PUT US ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS THAT WHICH WAS BY FAR THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE OF IT, IT NEEDS TO HAVE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND NOT JUST A WORKSHOP WHERE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE COME AND TALK ABOUT IT. OPEN IT UP, VOTE ON HOW WE WANT TO DO IT. THERE IS NO WAY I CAN SAY WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT WITH ONE OR TWO PEOPLE COMING TO SPEAK AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP HERE. I JUST CAN'T. >> CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT AFTER THIS WORKSHOP, THAT CONSENSUS IS WHAT DRIVES THIS TO MAKE IT TO THE AGENDA. AM I CORRECT? >> SO WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION NOW TO GO DO IT. WE HAVE AUTHORIZATION BY RESOLUTION 2024, 126. LAST COMMISSION GAVE US FINAL DESIGN AND AUTHORIZATION TO CONSTRUCT. WE ARE READY TO GO. NOW, THERE IS A $2 MILLION PRICE TAG. EVEN WHEN WE RUN THE NUMBERS, WE WILL BE A TICK OVER. WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL IF WE GO OVER THE 2 MILLION. WE SERVE AT YOUR PLEASURE. IF YOU WANT THIS BACK ANY WAY WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. MY POINT WOULD NOT BE DELAY THE PROJECT BECAUSE I HEAR PART OF WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS SAYING BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THIS WAS AS THE COMMISSIONER IDENTIFIED, WE HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS VERY CONTENTIOUS REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT THE COURTS STAY OR GO, WHETHER OR NOT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE PARKING WAS ALSO AN ADDED BENEFIT AND FURTHER THE MISTAKES OF PREVIOUS COMMISSION WHICH I WILL ADMIT, NOT HAVING THE RESEARCH FUELED, AND NOT KNOWING WHAT COST AND EFFECT ON WHAT THE TREES WERE GOING TO BE AT CENTRAL PARK IS WHY WE CAME BACK HERE. SO ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND IN PRINCIPAL SOME OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I THINK THIS IS THE REALITY OF COMPROMISE. IN MY OPINION THIS IS THE BEST FINANCIAL CHOICE WE CAN MAKE, TO SCALE BACK SOME OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT IS OVER BUDGET. >> MY QUESTION IS IF THIS IS [00:20:02] SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN SPACE AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN THAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT WAS APPROVED AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GRASS WITH TREES AND WATER SYSTEM AND THEN WE ARE SUGGESTING THAT IT'S OVERFLOW FOR CARS, JUST GOING TO DESTROY THE GRASS AND BREAK THE SPRINKLER HEADS, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE OPEN GRASS AND TREES AND THAT OR IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY A PARKING LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE USED AS WELL AS PETANQUE. TO ME THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHOICES I SEE. TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE CAR PARKING ON GRASS WITH SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. IT'S ALREADY HARD ENOUGH TO GROW GRASS IN FLORIDA DOWN NEAR THE WATER WITH THE SALT WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IF WE WANT TO TRY TO USE THAT AND YOU ARE SAYING YOU WENT DOWN THERE AND IF IT WASN'T, IF THAT WAS ALL GRASS, THEY COULD STILL DO THE PETANQUE TOURNAMENT. >> THE BIG ONE. >> THE BIG ONE WITH THE ENTIRE PLACE GRASS. THEN WHY DON'T WE SKINNY THAT UP A WHOLE LOT AND HAVE A VERY SMALLER FOOTPRINT OF PETANQUE COURTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AT CENTRAL PARK AND THEN HAVE YOUR GRASS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S ALMOST KIND OF SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE. >> LET ME GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POSITION. I DON'T CARE IF THIS WATER FRONT PARK HAPPENS OR NOT. I HAVE NEVER BEEN A HUGE ADVOCATE FOR THIS. >> OKAY. >> I KNOW THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF CITIZENS WANT TO SEE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE WATER FRONT. AND THIS PARTICULAR, THE PART WHERE MR. BARTLETT WAS THE ONE THAT HELPED DESIGN IT, IS THE LEAST INTRUSIVE I HAVE SEEN. THAT'S WHY I SUPPORTED IT. THE ONLY THING I AM SAYING, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S PETANQUE, I DON'T CARE IF YOU TAKE OUT HALF AND ADD PETANQUE, IN TERMS OF I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THERE, I WOULD VOTE NO, BUT I AM SAYING IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE DESIGN SO DRASTICALLY THAT THAT WAS THE POINT OF CONTENTION OVER THIS ENTIRE PROJECT, HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. THEN WE'LL DEBATE AND IT THEN WE WILL VOTE ON IT. I AM FINE. I CAN LIVE WITH WHATEVER. MY POINT BEING IS I AM DISSATISFIED WITH US SAYING WE ARE GOING TO STROKE THE PEN. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT UNTIL IT IS ABSOLUTELY DESIGNED AND READY TO GO. WE SHOULDN'T BE DIGGING STUFF UP. LET'S MAKE SURE IT IS DONE THE WAY THIS COMMISSION WANTS IT DONE. I AM FINE LIVING WITH THAT BUT I AM NOT FINE WITHOUT PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT'S THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE. IF YOU WANT PETANQUE, I GET IT. YOU MAKE 100% SENSE. >> THAT'S SCARY. >> ONE MORE POINT. LET'S RIP THE BANDAID OFF AND BRING PEOPLE BACK HERE. THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT. >> I DO APPRECIATE THE POINT OF VIEW THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS CRITICAL. BUT I DO THINK HAVING THE WATER FRONT PARK ON THIS AGENDA, NOT JUST AN OPEN BLANK AGENDA, ACTUALLY ON THE PUBLISHED AGENDA, I THINK THAT WAS A SIGNAL TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A POSSIBILITY FOR DISCUSSION. AND I ALSO DO THINK THAT HOWEVER WE VOTE ABOUT PETANQUE, HALF OF THE CITY IS GOING TO HATE US. AND HALF OF THE CITY IS GOING TO LOVE US. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. A YEAR AGO OR MORE WHEN THIS PARK CAME UP, I SPOKE THAT I THINK PETANQUE SHOULD STAY BECAUSE IT'S LOW MAINTENANCE. IF THAT AREA WILL FLOOD DURING A STORM, IT'S LOW MAINTENANCE. NOW I LOVE YOUR IDEA OF TRULY OPENING IT UP. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MR. ABBOTT'S COMMENTS. COULD THOSE WESTERN BE FULLY REMOVED AND HAVE IT REALLY BE SUMMER ACCESS PARKING, FULL PARKING, NOT JUST EVENT PARKING? IS THAT POSSIBLE? OR NO BECAUSE THAT ACCESS IS TIGHT AND IT IS COMPLICATED? >> IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA AND REQUIREMENTS FOR [00:25:01] MAKING A PARKING LOT. CAN YOU GO IN AND PARK AND MAKE IT WORK? YOU CAN. YOU SEE PARKING LOT C AND D, THERE IS THE PARKING AND PEOPLE MAKE IT WORK. IT'S NOT AS EFFICIENT AS IT COULD BE BUT THEY MAKE IT WORK. WE CAN'T MAKE IT A PARKING LOT BUT PEOPLE CAN PARK AS THEY SEE FIT, TO TURN AROUND A BOAT TRAILER, YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU CAN HAVE A COUPLE FOOD TRUCKS GO IN, TURN AROUND AND POSITION. IT CAN BE USED FOR CERTIFY SERVICES. THISWHY IT'S A FLEX SPACE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO IN THE AREA GRASSED OR NOT. >> LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, THE ONLY THING I SEE DIFFERENT IS GRASSING IT OR NOT GRASSING IT. EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS THE SAME. >> I AGREE. >> AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS PLAN NOW AND AS WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S EITHER WE PUT GRASS AND TREES OR WE DON'T PUT GRASS AND TREES. IT'S THE SAME SPACE. >> IT'S FINE. THANK YOU. >> MY TAKE ON IT IS I WANT THIS TO GO AT THE LEAST COST POSSIBLE. IF WE CAN SAVE MONEY BY LEAVING THE PETANQUE COURTS, THEN THAT'S A SMART THING TO DO. IF WE CAN SAVE BY REMOVING EXPENSIVE HIGH MAINTENANCE SPLASH PAD WHICH THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND REPLACE IT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN WHICH IS A SMALLER LESS MAINTENANCE PLAYGROUND FEATURE, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT. EVEN IF WE SAY WELL THIS IS IMPACT FEE MONEY SO IT'S LIKE FREE MONEY. IT REALLY ISN'T FREE MONEY. IT'S STILL TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN MY OPINION. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE THINGS IN HERE WE CAN REDUCE TO GET THIS BACK DOWN UNDER BUDGET CONTROL. AND THEN MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT I WAS NEVER CLEAR THAT THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION ACTUALLY RESOLVED THE ISSUE OF WHERE PETANQUE WAS GOING, THAT IT WAS LEFT IN LIMBO. SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT IS THIS COMMISSION'S RESPONSIBILITY TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE. AND I THINK THIS IS OUR WAY TO RESOLVE IT AND TO PUT IT BACK HERE WHERE IT IS TODAY AND IT REDUCES OVERALL COST. IT GIVES US FLEXIBLE SPACE. I THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT AND THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE HAVE TO PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA UNLESS OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DO. THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO IF WE COULD GO LINE BY LINE IN SOME OF THE ITEMS AND HELP MOVE THIS ALONG. WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE TO REMOVE THINGS. I WOULD GO SO FAR WITH HIS SPLASH PAD AS A SCHOOL TEACHER FAMILIAR WITH SCHOOL PLAYGROUNDS, I WOULD GO SO FAR AS HAVING NOTHING THERE OTHER THAN PAINTED ACTIVITIES. THERE ARE SO MANY INCREDIBLY LOW COST ACTIVITIES THAT ARE REALLY CREATIVE PLAY. BUT THAT'S LOW BUDGET. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S US. >> VICE MAYOR. >> I DISAGREE. I BELIEVE THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION DID KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH PETANQUE. THAT'S WHY THE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK HAVE BEEN UPGRADED. THEY WERE UPGRADED TO FOR THAT REASON. WE HAD MEETINGS. THAT'S HOW WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I DISAGREE THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH PETANQUE. WE DID. THE SPLASH PAD, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS AGREED UPON. THE ONLY THING THAT WAS AGREED UPON WAS TO STUB IT OUT IF WE EVER IN THE FUTURE WANTED A SPLASH PAD. THAT'S BECAUSE WE MADE THE EXACT SAME MISTAKE WITH TOP TRACER WHEN WE DIDN'T PLUMB IT FOR WATER AND SEWER. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, TO PLUMB IT. I HAVE NO ISSUES. MARK IT A HARD STRUCTURE. MAKE IT A GRASS AREA. DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I AM FINE WITH WHATEVER. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CITIZENS OF FERNANDIA BEACH HAD NO IDEA. I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I MET WITH STAFF TODAY THAT WE WERE BRINGING PETANQUE BACK. I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVE NO IDEA THAT THIS COMMISSION IS TALKING ABOUT [00:30:01] BRINGING PETANQ I.E. BACK. IF I DIDN'T KNOW, I CAN PROMISE PLENTY PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE THIS WAS COMING. WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT, I SAID WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CITIZENS AND ALLOW THEM TO VOICE CONCERNS. THIS IS JUST WRONG. IT'S WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS TO CHANGE SOMETHING SO CONTROVERSIAL AND GET ONLY 15 MINUTES OF FEEDBACK TODAY MAYBE IF WE GET TO IT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT BRETT'S. >> IS IT THE EXPECTATION OF THIS PLAN WITH THE COST YOU IDENTIFIED TO HAVE GRASS AND TREES THE WAY IT APPEARS ON THAT AND NO PETANQUE? IS THAT WHAT THIS PLAN AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, NO PETANQUE, GRASS, WATER SYSTEM, PARK CARS ON GRASS, IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> THAT IS FINAL DESIGN, WHAT WE BID, AND WHAT THE CONTRACTORS BID ON. >> AND IT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT WHAT WAS DONE AT CENTRAL PARK IS PLENTY PETANQUE COURTS FOR PETANQUE. >> WE MADE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK, JUST WRAPPED THAT UP. AS FAR AS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TOURNAMENT PLAY, YOU REALLY NEED TO BRING MR. ABBOTT. THIS MAY NOT BE THE TIME. THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS. THERE IS CLUB PLAY, AMELIA OPEN. THERE ARE DIFFERENT TOURNAMENTS WITH DIFFERENT NEEDS. I AM NOT A PETANQUE PLAYER OR EXPERT. >> I GUESS WHAT WAS SAYING WAS THIS WAS DECIDED. THERE IS PLENTY ROOM FOR THE INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT AND ANY TOURNAMENT WITH A SPECIAL PERMIT FEE TO GO AHEAD AND BLOCK OFF WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO FOR THAT AND THAT'S IT. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? >> CORRECT. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> I BELIEVE THE CRUX OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CLEARLY IS THE GRASS VERSES THE GRAVEL AREA. I THINK THIS COMMISSION WITH AN EXCEPTION TO THE CREDIT OF WHAT YOU SAID VICE MAYOR, THERE IS CONSENSUS THAT THE SPLASH PAD IS MORE COSTLY THAN WE CARE TO VENTURE TO. >> DEFINITELY. >> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. WHETHER OR NOT WE COMMIT TO GRAVEL VERSES GRASS AND WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN NOTICED ENOUGH FOR THAT. IN THE SPIRIT OF DOING SOMETHING ONCE AND DOING IT RIGHT, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO LETTING THAT ITEM COME TO FUTURE DISCUSSION TOPIC BEFORE WE PULL THE TRIGGER. BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE POINT WAS TO MAKE SURE IF WE WERE RIGHT ON HAVING THIS FINALLY COMPLETED AND NOT WASTE OUGHT TIME THAT'S GONE INTO IT, WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE TENTH REDO. WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO BE SURE WE GET AWAY WITH TRYING TO REDESIGN THE ENTIRE THING AND GET DOWN TO THE ONE POINT OF CONTENTION THAT WE HAVE HERE. >> IN ORDER TO BUILD THIS, THAT IS A DECISION THAT CAN BE DONE. A LOT OF STUFF HAS TO BE DONE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING GRASS OR LEAVING IT GRAVEL. >> WOULD YOU MIND STEPPING UP TO THE PODIUM? I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. WE HAVE A BRIEF QUESTION ABOUT CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. HE WILL BE THE SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER ON BEHALF OF KBT CONTRACTING FOR THE PROJECT. WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM IN PREPARATION FOR THE MEETING. IF THE WE WERE NOT TO MAKE A DECISION NOW ON THIS PARTICULAR AREA, WOULD THAT STOP YOU FROM MOVING FORWARD OR COULD YOU GO AHEAD AND BEGIN MOVING FORWARD WITH OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PARK AND WE REVISIT THIS AREA? >> I THINK WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD. >> IT WOULDN'T SLOW YOU? >> NO. >> IN LIGHT OF THAT, I THINK IF THIS COMMISSION WILLS TO DO SO, IT MAY BE THAT WE BRING THIS NEXT ITEM SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. >> I AM FINE WITH THAT. >> I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING. >> WITH THE TEN MINUTES OR SO REMAINING, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO DISCUSSION ON 4.2 TO GIVE OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. >> BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS, DOES THE STAFF FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH ALL THESE POTENTIAL DEDUCTIONS? >> WE HAVEN'T HEARD REALLY. WE HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING. >> CAN WE? ARE SOME OF THEM EASY? >> LOOK AT THEM. NOT IN FAVOR OF THE SPLASH PAD. [00:35:06] >> AGREED. >> I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT THE COMMISSION DOES NOT SUPPORT THE SPLASH PAD. I BELIEVE WE WILL TAKE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MOST OTHER ELEMENTS HERE. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BIGGEST POINT OF CONTENTION IS WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE OPEN SPACE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PARKING, GRAVEL, GRASS. >> THAT'S IT. >> SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE PLAY STRUCTURE. WE DID HEAR DIFFERENT ANGLES ON THAT. >> YES. >> I CAN SAVE MONEY AND HAVE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE PLAY STRUCTURE. WE HAVE AN AMAZING PLAY GROUND AT CENTRAL PARK A HALF MILE DOWN THE ROAD. TO ME PARENTS AREN'T GOING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, FOR LONGTERM PLAY. THEY'RE THERE AND OH A PLACE TO PLAY. >> HOW ABOUT WE CALL FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT REAL QUICK. >> OKAY. REAL QUICK. SOMETHING CHEAPER. >> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE A PLAY STRUCTURE IN PLACE OF A SPLASH PAD OR DO WE LEAVE THAT AS A BLANK SPACE? >> I AM FINE WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SPLASH PAD. >> I BELIEVE PLUMBING IT OUT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. IT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN GET IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THE FRAY HERE WHEN WE GET PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU CAN GO BACK LATER. BUT I HAVE NO ISSUE. >> IS PLUMBING INCLUDED IN THAT? IS PLUMBING FOR IT INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER? >> YES, PROVIDING CONDUIT PLUMBING, WANT TO ADD A WATER FEATURE OR ANY WATER SUPPLY, IT WAS PART OF IT. >> GREAT. >> IF WE LEAVE IT PLUMBED WE ARE NOT ADDING ANYTHING. >> WAIT, WAIT. SO PLUMBING IS INCLUDED IN THE 173, 459 NOT IN THE 94, 370. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT IN A GLOBAL MOTION PLAY STATION YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PLUMB. IF YOU DON'T HAVE LONGTERM PLANS TO PUT IN A SPLASH PAD, WHY WOULD YOU PLUMB? YOU ARE JUST WASTING MONEY. >> THAT'S NOT HOW I UNDERSTOOD THIS. I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE PLUMBING IS INCLUDED. >> IF I CAN, USE THE MICS. VICE MAYOR. >> THE REASON IS SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THAT WE MADE IN TOP TRACER BUT NOT RUNNING THE SYSTEM TO DO SO. A SPLASH PAD MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS A FEATURE THAT SOME COMMUNITY MAY WANT DOWN THE ROAD. WHY NOT HAVE IT PLUMBED OUT AND READY TO GO? THAT'S ALL IT IS. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS RUNNING CONDUIT. IF YOU WANTED TO ADD A SPLASH PAD, NEXT COMMISSION SAYS WE REALLY THINK THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SPLASH PAD, WE WILL ADD ONE. THEN YOU WILL DIG UP THE ENTIRE PARK JUST TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE REASON WE SAID IT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THERE NOT BEING A SPLASH PAD. I AGREE WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE COST. IT'S A STEEP INCREASE FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS OR ISSUES WITH HAVING A CONSENSUS OF IT BEING A GLOBAL MOTION. I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT THE PREPLUMB WAS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE COST, NOT OF THE SPLASH PAD BUT OF THE PROJECT IN GENERAL JUST IN CASE THE NEXT COMMISSION WANTS TO PUT A SPLASH PAD. >> THAT WAS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION I WANTED TOO. >> IS 173, 459, DOES THAT INCLUDE PLUMBING? >> YES, BUT OUR INTENT WAS TO PLUMB IT. WHEN YOU PLUMB YOUR RESTROOMS AND YOU ARE RUNNING PIPING, WOULDN'T YOU MAYBE WANT TO HAVE POTENTIAL WATER SUPPLY AT THE PAVILION? DOING DIGGING, YOU RUN CONDUIT FOR FUTURE USE. WE WOULD RUN IT TO AS MANY PLACES AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU MAY CHANGE IN USE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO TEAR EVERYTHING UP THERE TO ADD IT LATER. THE INTENT WOULD BE TO RUN IT IN CASE. IT CAN BE A WATER FOUNTAIN OR ANYTHING. >> SO THEN THE WHOLE 173, 459 DOES NOT COME OUT. >> THAT DOES. THAT'S THE CIVIL. >> SO THE PLUMBING IS IN THE CIVIL? >> YES, MA'AM. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I THINK WE ARE GOOD ON THE SPLASH PAD. GIVEN TIMING AND THE WORKSHOP, I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE WITH FIVE MINUTES LEFT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER TOPIC OR TO CLOSE THIS AND MAYBE PUNT THAT TO A FUTURE WORKSHOP. >> REAL QUICK, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT CONSENSUS ON SOMETHING ELSE, I WOULD JUST AS SOON ELIMINATE THE PLAY STRUCTURE AS WELL AND LEAVE THAT OPEN SPACE. WE CAN ALWAYS ADD A STRUCTURE LATER IF IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS NECESSARY. IT'S HARDER TO TAKE IT OUT. [00:40:04] >> AGREE. >> BY OPEN SPACE, I THINK A CEMENT PAD, THERE ARE AMAZING MAP DOLLARS THAT CAN BE PAINTED, FOUR SQUARE. >> LEAVE THE DESIGN. JUST DON'T PUT A STRUCTURE. >> WE COULD LATER IN ANOTHER FISCAL YEAR BUY A PLAY STRUCTURE. I AM HAPPY TO SAVE THAT MONEY AND NOT BUY A PLAY STRUCTURE. >> VICE MAYOR, I THINK YOU GET ONE SHOT AT IT NOW TO USE, IMPACT FEE FUNDS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT A STRUCTURE THERE, USE IMPACT FEES. IF NOT, YOU ARE GOING TO END UP PAYING FOR IT. >> WE ARE OVER THE BUDGET NOW. >> I GET THAT. I AM SAYING IF YOU ARE GOING TO ADD IT, I WOULD SAY USE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE WHEN YOU TRY TO GO BACK LATER AND ADD IT, SAME THICK WITH THE SPLASH PAD. IF YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, I WOULD ADD IT. ADD TO IMPACT FEES AND NOT WAIT ANOTHER YEAR AND GO OH WE WANT A PLAY STRUCTURE. LET'S AD VALOREM. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WHY IT WAS THERE TO BEGIN WITH. I AM FINE EITHER WAY. NONE OF THAT BOTHERS ME. >> I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE 2 MILLION. BY ELIMINATING THAT AND ELIMINATING THAT, WE ARE DOWN. EITHER WAY WE WILL HAVE TO PAY OUT OF AD VALOREM BECAUSE THERE [4.2 BRETT'S WATERWAY CAFÉ - The City Commission, at their December 3, 2024, Workshop directed staff to place this matter on their January 7, 2025, Workshop agenda for discussion.] IS ONLY $2 MILLION IN THE FEE. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS REGARDING WATER FRONT PARK BEFORE WE MOVE TO 4.2? AS I MENTIONED, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TRY TO OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS WITH THREE MINUTES BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE WANT TO DEFER THIS TO A FUTURE WORKSHOP, VICE MAYOR? >> I WILL MAKE A SUGGESTION AND IF EVERYBODY SAYS NO. >> ON BRETT'S, I THINK ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS WE KNOW ONE OR TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN IS WE WILL REPAIR IT OR TEAR IT DOWN. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DIRECTING STAFF TO GIVE US PRICES ON BOTH AND THAT WILL GIVE US INFORMED DECISION ON WHAT'S GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN. WE WILL NEED TO KNOW THE COST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WE DON'T HAVE ONE RED CENT TO DO EITHER. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DIRECTING THEM TO GET US PRICES ON EITHER ONE. ONE OF THE TWO THINGS HAS TO HAPPEN. IT HAS TO COME DOWN OR IT HAS TO BE REPAIRED. IN MY OPINION, I WOULD LIKE TO GET PRICES ON BOTH AND THEN MOVE ON. >> I AGREE, VICE MAYOR. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE TIME WE HAVE REMAINING. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE GO BACK TO THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD AND ASK THEM TO SPEND SOMETIME AND SOME ENERGY AND GET PUBLIC INPUT AND COME BACK TO US WITH NOT JUST THE COST ISSUES BUT ABOUT WHAT ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS YOU COULD PUT BACK THERE JUST IN THE FUTURE? IS IT A RESTAURANT? IS IT A PAVILION? IS IT OPEN SPACE? IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? IT SEEMS THAT'S PART AND PARCEL OF WHAT CRA SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ASK THEM TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE AND TO GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT AND TO COME BACK TO US WITH SOME OPTIONS. >> I AGREE. >> I AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONERS. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW DO WE NEED TO INFORM BRETT'S THAT WE WILL NOT BE RENEWING THEIR LEASE? >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT. >> IS THERE A FORMAL THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH LEASES? >> THERE IS NOTHING FORMAL. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> AND CAN WE ASSIGN THIS PROJECT TO SOMEBODY IN THE CITY? IT'S AN INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED PROJECT WITH BRETT'S. IT'S THE WALKWAY TO GET TO OASIS MARINA. FUEL GOES THERE TO GET TO THE MARINA. WHATEVER HAPPENS THERE WILL IMPACT SO MANY THINGS AND ALL THE COMMERCIAL BOAT OPERATORS THERE. WE HAVE THE SEA WALL ISSUE. CAN WE ASSIGN THIS AS A PROJECT? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE GIGANTIC PROJECT MANAGEMENT TIMELINE OF PROCESSES, TASKS, TIMELINE. COULD WE EVEN TIE IT INTO OUR CITY MANAGER'S BONUS? OUR CITY MANAGER HAS BONUSES [00:45:04] COMING UP. CAN WE SEE SOME RESULTS? HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE? IT IS SO BIG AND COMPLICATED, WHO IS IN CHARGE TO GET US THERE? >> AGREED. I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE SO WE WANT TO BE SURE WE CAN TAKE THE DIRECTION THAT THE VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER MENTIONED. YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US? >> I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON BRETT'S TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO CHEW ON AND RECONSIDER. WE HAVE EARMARKED $1 MILLION IN 25-26 FOR DEMOLITION OF BRETT'S. THAT IS JUST A PLACE MARKER, TIMELINE TO BE DETERMINED AND THEN OF COURSE YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT DEMOLITION WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT WILL GO IN ITS PLACE. THAT SHOULD BE ONE EXERCISE IF THE COMMISSION CHOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE. NOT TO BELABOR TIME, WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ENGINEERING INSPECTION REPORTS. MOST RECENT FULL ASSESSMENT WAS PASS ASSOCIATES AND THEY'RE HERE. THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO ENGAGE THEM FURTHER IT SEEMS. THIS IS A BRIEF TIMELINE OF SOME RECENT ASSESSMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY BRETT'S AND BY THE CITY. YOU SEE THE CITY BEACH MARKED AND SOME OF THESE. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT EXTENSIVELY IS ONE TAKE AWAY WE CAN AGREE ON. OPTIONS. YOU REALLY HAVE THREE. YOU CAN DO NOTHING. YOU CAN TRY TO REPAIR THE BUILDING, RENEW THE LEASEOR REMOVE THE BUILDING AND PLATFORM. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLEXITIES. THE ENTIRE MARINA IS BUILT AROUND BRETT'S. YOU ACCESS ALL PARTS FROM THE BOARDWALK. FIELD LINE, UTILITIES, ENTIRE PA REIN A. YOU CAN'T FLOAT THE DOCKS OUT OF THE WAY. THERE ARE 70-FOOT PILINGS KEEPING THEM IN POSITION. WE HAVE A 30% RULE FOR RENOVATION AS A FACTOR AND OF COURSE THERE ARE IMPACTS. WE ARE DREDGING EVERY 18 TO 24 MONTHS ON THE SOUTHERN BASIN BECAUSE OF DEBRIS UNDER BRETT'S. THESE ARE COMPLEXITIES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. YOU WILL BE DOING DEMOLITION OVER WATER. RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF IS TO ENGAGE. YOU WILL BE MEETING AS CRA ADVISORY BOARD ON THE 21ST. THAT IS A TIME TO SET PRIORITIES FOR WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE CRA TO DO. THEY CAN DO SOME OF THE WORK FOR YOU. ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION CITY STAFF HAS IS TO ENGAGE ONE OF OUR ENGINEERING FIRMS AND TO DRAW UP WHAT THE CONCEPTS WILL LOOK LIKE, WHAT WOULD THAT DEMOLITION LOOK LIKE? YOU WANT YOUR MARINA TO CONTINUE TO WORK. YOU CAN'T JUST GO DOWN WITH AN EXCAVATOR AND START TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING. THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT WILL GO INTO KNOWING WHAT PROBABLE COST WOULD BE FOR DEMO AND WHAT WOULD GO IN ITS PLACE. WE NEED TO ENGAGE A [5. PUBLIC COMMENT] PROFESSIONAL TO START BRINGING IDEAS TO THE TABLE. >> THANK YOU. WITH THE REMAINING TIME AND WHAT WE MAY DO IS STRETCH A COUPLE MINUTES AND POSSIBLY START AT 6:05 TO ALLOW FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT SUBMISSIONS. MR. MICHAEL SHARP . >> I AM MICHAEL SHARP. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE VICE MAYOR FOR SPEAKING UP FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF TAXPAYERS ABOUT THE COURTS. WE WENT THROUGH FIRE STORMS ABOUT THIS AND YOU WERE PRESENT, MAYOR. TO BRETT'S, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS ISSUE. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS THAT DO THAT REPAIR WORK, PEOPLE I HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME. IF ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO SAVE BRETT'S MORE THAN I DO, YOU SHOULD SPEAK UP. THOSE GUYS ARE FRIENDS OF MINE, LOVE THEM. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE HERE FOREVER. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE CASE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE THAT BUILDING. I APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER TO GET REPAIR ESTIMATES AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DO THAT. BUT THE CONSENSUS AMONG ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE IS THAT THE BUILDING WILL HAVE TO COME DOWN AND WE WILL HAVE TO DO REPAIRS AROUND IT. AS MUCH AS I HATE TO ADMIT DEFEAT, I AM NOT GOOD AT THAT. IN THIS CASE I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE DONE. AT THE SAME TIME, I WOULD ASK YOU TO NOT DO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS PUTTING A VIEWING PLATFORM UP THERE THAT DOES NOT BRING REVENUE TO THE CITY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME AT ALL. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT AND THINK ABOUT OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING THERE. PEOPLE LOVE A BEAUTIFUL RESTAURANT THERE. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE. IN MY SEVERAL MONTHS OF LOOKING INTO THIS MATTER, [00:50:03] UNFORTUNATELY, I AM GOING TO RAISE A WHITE FLAG ON TRYING TO KEEP THE RESTAURANT IN PLACE WHERE IT IS. IT WILL BE COMPLEX TO TRY AND DO ANYTHING LIKE I SPOKE WITH THE COMMISSIONER THERE TODAY AND WE DISCUSSED SOME COMPLEXITIES AND MOVING THINGS AROUND THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFICULT CHORE TO TRY AND KEEP MARINE OPERATIONS GOING, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO THERE. I WOULD TELL YOU THAT MY POINT OF VIEW HAS COME, WE HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THAT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. IN FACT THE WORD WAS, I THINK YOU SAID THE JUICE DOESN'T JUSTIFY THE SQUEEZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST CAN'T WORK. IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE TO TRY AND MAKE THAT WORK. THANK YOU AGAIN. IF PEOPLE HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE PETANQUE ISSUE, THIS PLACE WOULD BE PACKED AND THE INTERNET WOULD BE ON FIRE. IT PROBABLY WILL ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THIS. NOBODY WAS EXPECTING THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. IF I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, NOT MANY PEOPLE DID, THAT THAT WOULD BE A MATTER OF CONSIDERATION TO PUT PETANQUE COURTS BACK. I THINK YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT MANY TIMES. THAT NEEDS TO BE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, PETANQUE PEOPLE CAN HAVE WHEN THEY NEED IT. I THINK THEY WOULD TELL YOU THEY DON'T NEED THAT MANY COURTS 100% OF THE TIME. >> THANK YOU. NEXT, MR. PETE STEVENSON. >> 1627 HIGHLAND DUNES WAY. FIRST, THANK YOU TO MICHAEL. HE DID GO AND ASK A QUESTION THAT NEEDED TO BE ASKED. I TALKED TO FOLKS IN HOUSTON, TEXAS. THEY DO A LOT OF THESE THINGS LIKE LIFTING THINGS UP. PRETTY MUCH THE SAME ANSWER OCCURRED. IT COULD BE PHYSICALLY DONE BUT IT WOULD BE BEYOND THE REALM OF WHAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE IN THIS PARTICULAR HARBOR AND MARINA. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE HAD A SETTLED PLAN I THOUGHT BOOKED THAT ALL PETANQUE ACTIVITIES WOULD GO TO CENTRAL PARK. WE WERE INVESTING IN EXPANSION, NEW BOARD AND SO FORTH THAT WOULD TAKE CARE. WHAT WAS DOWNTOWN WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD CALL GREEN SPACE BUT IT WAS NOT PETANQUE. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THE OTHER QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT AT LANE CLOSURES ATLANTIC SEAFOOD? DO WE HAVE A PLAN? IS THAT JUST TBD. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS MR. JOHN ABBOTT. >> 1601NECTARINE. I AM PRESIDENT OF THE ATLANTA BULLS CLUB, ATLANTA PETANQUE CLUB. I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO SAY FIRST OF ALL THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE PETANQUE CLUB TO ALL THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE BEEN WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES OVER THE HOLIDAYS OR WHATEVER TO TRY TO BRING US BACK INTO PLAY AND THE IDEA OF THE WATER FRONT PARK. I JUST WANT TO ASSURE EVERYBODY THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE. WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY TO LOOK AT THE DIAGRAMS YOU SAW THIS EVENING ABOUT THE MODIFICATION OF THE PETANQUE COURT, THE GRAVEL AREA ONLY TO SEE IT WOULD WORK FOR PETANQUE IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN. THE MAIN GOAL WAS TO ARRIVE I BELIEVE AT A VALUE OF POTENTIAL DEDUCTIVE ALTERNATE IF THE COURTS WERE TO REMAIN. IT IS NOT THE DESIRE OF OUR CLUB TO BE AT THE HEART OF THE CONTROVERSY OF THE ENTIRE PARK PLAN. TO ANSWER THE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTION EARLIER, WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PETANQUE COURTS ON THAT PLAN? ACTUALLY THERE ARE NO MORE SHOWN THAN ARE THERE NOW. THOSE ARE OUR 16 COMPETITION COURTS. THE COURTS, I WILL JUMP IN AND SAY THAT THE CITY, THE PARK AND RECREATION STAFF, THE CREW HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF RENOVATING COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK. THOSE ARE ALMOST DONE. THEY'RE BETTER, SAFER. THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER BUT NEVER THE LESS WE ONLY HAVE THE 12 COURTS THAT WE HAD BEFORE. THAT'S WHAT WAS RENOVATED. THEY HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB FOR US OVER THERE AND WE'LL BEGIN PLAY AS SOON AS HOPEFULLY THIS WATER FRONT PARK GETS UNDERWAY. THE VALUE OF HAVING ANY PART OF THAT AREA AS GRAVEL VERSES GRASS FOR PETANQUE IS IN [00:55:06] THE CONDUCT OF THE AMELIA OPEN EVERY NOVEMBER. BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THAT AREA BECOMES MOST VALUABLE TO US IN GAINING UP TO 20 ADDITIONAL PLAY COURTS FOR THE OPEN. YES, WE DO USE IT THE WINTER TIME FOR OUR COMPETITION COURT PLAY PUSHING TOURNAMENTS AND SO FORTH. I FEEL LIKE I AM DAJA VU ALL OVER FROM LAST SUMMER AND LAST FALL. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE A VERY VIBRANT CLUB. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE FOR US. WE ARE SORT OF AT YOUR MERCY WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE MARINA COURTS AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD DECISION TO MAKE GRAVEL IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE AND SHOW YOU AND TELL YOU MORE IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION PERHAPS IN ANOTHER FORUM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. ABBOTT. >> NEXT, MISS SHEILA KOCKE. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE FORMS FOR WORKSHOP. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? >> I PUT MY NAME FOR THE ALLEN MILLS. >> COMING YOUR WAY. MR. ALLEN MILLS, COME ON UP. >> THANK YOU. >> 1425 BROOM STREET. TWO OUT OF FIVE OF Y'ALL WERE HERE. WE DEALT WITH THIS FOR THREE YEARS OR ACTUALLY 20 SOMETHING YEARS OVER THIS WATER PARK. THIS COMMISSION PREVIOUS SAID NO PETANQUE. THEY MOVED TO THE REC CENTER. THEY SAID NO, GIRLS HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY. CENTRAL PARK IS A PARK AND THAT'S WHERE THE PETANQUES SHOULD BE. IF THEY WANT TO BE IN THE SUN IN THE WINTER, THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CENTRAL PARK IS WIDE OPEN WITH VERY LITTLE TREES. THEY CAN PUT A COURT THERE. COMING BACK, WE DIDN'T HAVE CONCRETE PARKING SPOTS IN PARKING LOT C AND D. IF Y'ALL EVER WALKED IT, IT IS RUBBER. THEY PICK THEM UP WHEN PETANQUE COMES IN. THEY PUT THEM BACK. THERE IS NO $16,000 TO DO THAT. $45,000, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PICK THE POSTS UP THAT'S AROUND THE PETANQUE AND YOU CAN HAVE PARKING. THE 16 COURTS TAKE UP 48 PARKING SPOTS. I BELIEVE YOU GO BACK OVER TO THE RECORDS, I HAVE SAID THAT BEFORE. YOU OPEN THAT, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PURPOSE. DON'T PUT GRASS. KEEP THE GRAVEL THAT'S THERE AND YOU CAN PARK. WHEN IT IS FULL, PEOPLE CAN PULL IN. WHEN THEY HAVE THE COURSE THERE, IT BRINGS A LOT OF MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY. DO IT. IT'S GREAT. IT BRINGS PEOPLE FROM SEVEN COUNTRIES HERE. IT'S AWESOME. IT'S GREAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. PETANQUE SHOULD BE THE OTHER 350 DAYS SHOULD BE AT THE BALL FIELD WHERE OUR KIDS AND THE BALLPARK SPORTS ARE PLAYED. THAT'S WHAT A BALL FIELD IS FOR. BACK TO BRETT'S, DO NOT INCLUDE IN THAT FORM WHERE YOU DID STICK WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS SEAFOOD, HE WOULD BUILD A BUILDING Y'ALL GAVE PERMISSION TO OR IS IN CONTRACT OF. I AM SURE HE WOULD LOVE TO GO WHERE BRETT'S IS. BRETT'S, THAT WHOLE BUILDING IS MULTIPLE BUILDINGS. IT'S NOT JUST A RESTAURANT. THERE'S A BIG STORE TOO. YOU CAN PUT A RESTAURANT THERE AND THAT OFFSETS MONEY THAT THE MARINA GETS. RIGHT NOW THE MARINA HAS ONLY BEEN GETTING $750 A MONTH. THINK IF WE HAD A GOOD RESTAURANT THERE WHAT IT WOULD DO FOR THE MARINA. IT WOULD TAKE THE MARINA OUT OF A BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYERS, TO ALL OF US. TAKE IN THAT PARKING SPOT Y'ALL HAVE PETANQUE WOULD TAKE THE BURDEN FOR MORE PEOPLE TO PARK SO THEY COULD SPEND MONEY DOWNTOWN AND ENJOY THE PARK YOU WILL BUILD. YOU SAID THERE WERE 22 YESTERDAY OR TODAY? HOW MANY CARS WERE THERE? 21. I AM ASKING YOU GUYS. YOU HAVE A GOLDEN SPOON HERE TO HELP THE CITY OUT WITH WHAT'S COMING UP. COMMISSIONERS 40 YEARS AGO DIDN'T READ THE CONTRACT RIGHT OBVIOUSLY. IT WAS A GOOD HANDSHAKE OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID IT WRONG OR WHO DID WHAT. BUT YOU HAVE THE CHOICE TO MAKE THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY AND SUPPORT THE MARINA. I HOPE Y'ALL DO THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LAST WE HAVE MR. JACK EMBER. WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND COME FOR OUR NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. [01:00:01] >> HEY GUYS. WELCOME. 1003 BROOM STREET. RECENTLY THERE WAS A MEMO SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. SUBJECT WAS A LAW FIRM WAS STANDING UP FOR RYAN. AS EXPECTED LEGAL OPINIONS PURCHASED FROM A LEGAL FIRM LEWIS LONGMAN AND WALKER FOR USE BY THE RYAN PLANT ARE LUDICROUS. THESE PAPERS CLAIM THE CITY MANAGER CANNOT DELEGATE HER INTERPRETIVE AUTHORITY TO OUTSIDE LAW FIRM BUT SEEKS TO DENY CITY MANAGER FROM CONSULTING LEGAL OPINIONS TO ARRIVE AT A MORE EDUCATED DECISION. THEY ALSO CLAIM THE MAXIMUMMIZATIONS OF PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS AS IT NEGATE DOLLARS CITY OF CITIZENS' RIGHTS TO REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF SAFETY AND WELFARE. THEY ALSO STATE THE LACK OF DEFINITION OF THE WORD CHEMICAL IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, THIS IS A DEFLECTION OF STRATEGY SO AS TO CONFUSE PRIMARY ISSUE WHICH IS THAT BIOETHANOL IS A HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL THAT IS PRODUCED IN EXTREMELY LARGE VOLUMES WITH SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED RISK TO LIFE AND HEALTH. THERE IS A VERY BRIEF SECTION IN THIS MEMO WHICH MENTIONS WORSE CASE SCENARIOS. HERE THE SUGGESTION, EVACUATION ZONE FOR A COMPROMISED SITUATION IS A RADIUS OF 25 METERS. THIS IS FOR A HIGH RISK OR A DEATH SITUATION. GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN OR UP TO 120 METERS RADIUS FOR MINOR RISK SUCH AS BROKEN WINDOWS. ACCORDING TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PIPELINE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, 2024 EMERGENCY RESPONSE GUIDE BOOK THAT'S REFERENCED IN THIS DOCUMENT, 800 METERS IS THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDED EVACUATION RADIUS IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS INVOLVING FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS. NOTE THAT 800 METERS IS A QUARTER MILE. I AM SORRY, HALF A MILE. BASED ON 800 METERS EVACUATION RADIUS FOR AN 8,000-GALLON ETHANOL TANKER TRUCK, THE EVACUATION RADIUS FOR A 40,000-GALLON ETHANOL STORAGE TANK WOULD BE 4,000 MERES. THAT'S TWO AND A HALF MILES, FOLKS. IN ADDITION TO FIRE AND EXPLOSIVE DANGER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO MENTION SEVERE HEALTH EFFECTS CAUSED BY ACCIDENTAL RELEASE OF HAZARDOUS FUMES, GASES, VAPORS, MISTS SHOULD A CATASTROPHIC RYAN PLANT EVENT OCCUR. FURTHERMORE, REPETITION OF ETHANOL -- JUST A COUPLE MORE SENTENCES. >> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, SIR. FURTHERMORE THE REPETITION OF ETHANOL HAS A DISTILLATION PROCESS THAT IS NO MORE DANGEROUS THAN FOOD PERMANENT MENTATION IS DENY POTENTIAL OF TRUSTEE OVER POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL GAINS FOR RYAN. RYAN WANTS TO MAXIMIZE THE BANK ACCOUNT. THE PEOPLE OF THE ISLAND ARE ONLY INTERESTED IN THE CONTINUOUS SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR PEOPLE AND OUR FAMILIES. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.