>> IS EVERYBODY READY? [NOISE] I'M CALLING [00:00:04] THE ORDER FOR PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING FOR NOVEMBER THE 12TH, [1. CALL TO ORDER] 2024. CALL OF ORDER. >> MEMBER SPAULDING. >> HERE. >> MEMBER PEARLSTINE? >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR COCCHI. >> YES. >> CHAIR CAMERA. HERE. >> MEMBER GOLDMAN. MEMBER MOUNT JOY. >> HERE. >> MEMBER BORRERO. >> HERE. >> PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. OF ALLEGIANCE] ITEM NUMBER 4, [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SEPTEMBER REGULAR MEETING, SEPTEMBER 24TH. LET'S TAKE ONE AT A TIME, 4.1. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> AND I'LL SECOND. >> AND EXCUSE ME JUST FOR A SECOND. I WANTED TO MAKE ONE THING IS WE DID HAVE A MISSPELLING IN HERE. SO WE WILL CHANGE THAT. WE SPELLED MEMBER PEARLSTINE'S NAME WRONG A COUPLE OF TIMES IN HERE. SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO APPROVE IT WITH THAT SMALL. >> EXCEPTION? >> YES. >> ANYBODY. >> AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >> WELL, CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? DO WE NEED TO TAKE THEM ALL SEPARATELY OR CAN WE VOTE ON ALL OF THEM TOGETHER? >> CAN WE VOTE THEM ALL AT ONE TIME? >> YES. >> GREAT. >> YES. >> 4.1. >> WE NEED A NEW MOTION. >> WE NEED A NEW MOTION TO APPROVE ALL FOUR. >> AT THE SAME TIME. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL OF THEM. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> ANY DISCUSSION? >> SO YOU SAY CAUGHT FOR THE ROLL? >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> HERE WE GO. >> THAT WAS QUICK. [LAUGHTER] NUMBER 5, PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. [5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITMES NOT ON THE AGENDA] I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK. JACK GUNN. >> YES. MY NAME IS JACK GUNN. I LIVE AT 490 CROSSWIND DRIVE IN FERNANDINA. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT FORM, BUT I'M GOING TO TAKE MY TWO MINUTES ANYWAY. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY INTEREST IN JOINING THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE SHOULD THIS SEAT OPEN UP. I SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, BUT I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE SINCE IN JUNE AND ALL THE MEETINGS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ME SITTING BY MYSELF SOMETIMES, AND I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH HOW THE COMMITTEE COMES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ADVICE GIVEN SOMETIMES LIMITED INFORMATION AND I SAW FIRSTHAND HOW CHALLENGING IT IS. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE AND WHAT YOU GUYS DO AND HOW IT'S DIFFICULT TO BALANCE WHAT KEEPS THE RESIDENTS HAPPY AND THE CHARM OF OUR ISLAND. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. I'M 47-YEARS-OLD. I'M A PHILADELPHIA NATIVE, A PENN STATE GRAD. I'M A WEALTH ADVISOR WITH ULLMANN WEALTH PARTNERS DOWN IN JACKS BEACH. MY FAMILY AND I DISCOVERED FERNANDINA BEACH IN 2017. WE CAME DOWN HERE FOR THE MONTH OF JULY AND NEVER WENT HOME. WE MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE HERE PERMANENTLY BASED ON IMPERFECT INFORMATION, AND IT WAS THE BEST THING WE EVER DID. I DON'T HAVE ANY POLITICAL OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE, BUT I'VE SAT ON A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES INSIDE ORGANIZATIONS. I'VE GIVEN ADVICE TO INDUSTRY LEADERS IN MY PROFESSION, AND I CO FOUNDED A STARTUP IN 2020 THAT IS STILL OPERATING TODAY. THEN LASTLY, I VOLUNTEER COACHED FOR SOCCER AND BASKETBALL TEAMS HERE ON THE ISLAND FOR MANY YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF OPEN SPACE FOR YOUTH AND ALSO FOR ADULTS. WE ALL NEED IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT AS YOUR TERMS ARE COMING UP, IF YOU WANT TO PASS THE BATON, JUST KNOW I'M HERE WILLING AND EXCITED TO HELP OUT THE CITY. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> DO YOU KNOW THE PROCESS ON HOW IT'S DONE? >> I KNOW FROM SITTING HERE FOR SIX OR SEVEN MEETINGS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN THAT I ASSUME THERE'S SOME INFORMATION GIVEN TO YOU GUYS AHEAD OF TIME. >> THAT'S GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, [00:05:01] AND THEN SHE PRESENTS THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVAL. AM I CORRECT, SCOTT? >> HOLD ON. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. JUST TO CLARIFY EVERYTHING, WE DO HAVE SOME MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD THAT ARE UP FOR RE-ELECTION. I BELIEVE ARE FIVE OF THEM, SO FIVE OUT OF THE SEVEN, AND THEY HAVE TURNED IN THEIR REAPPOINTMENTS, AS WELL, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS. ON THE DECEMBER 3RD COMMISSION MEETING, THOSE WILL BE GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THESE SEVEN POSITIONS, ACTUALLY FIVE. TWO OF THEM WILL REMAIN BECAUSE THEY'RE STAGGERED. THE OTHER FIVE WILL BE RE APPOINTMENTS, AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED TO BE SEATED AGAIN, BUT WITH THAT IS IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEATED. IT WILL BE THE DECISION OF THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT'S AT THE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING. >> I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU APPLYING, AND THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR FRESH BLOOD. [OVERLAPPING] >> I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SIX OR SEVEN MEETINGS, NOT EVEN BEING ON THE BOARD AND JUST LISTENING IN TO GET A BACKGROUND. >> DID HE SAY THAT [INAUDIBLE] WAS THE FIRST ONE? >> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, THAT WAS A GOOD ONE. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. >> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY OTHER OTHER THAN PARKS AND REC? >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ASK. >> A LITTLE BIT. >> I'M SORRY. >> I LOOKED AT WHERE THERE WERE VACANCIES, AND WITH LIMITED TIME, YOU JUST HAVE TO CHOOSE THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REALLY MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT, SO I COULDN'T. I SAW THAT MAYBE THE MARINA HAD ONE, THE GOLF COURSE HAD ONE. THERE WAS A, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS CALLED, SOMETHING ABOUT ZONING. >> WELL, I THINK WITH YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND YOUR EXPERIENCE, THAT OUR CITY WOULD BEHOOVE ITSELF TO HAVE YOU ON ANY OF OUR BOARDS THAT WE HAVE. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD, AND THIS GOES FOR CURRENT MEMBERS, IS IT'S OKAY TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND SAY WHY YOU WANT TO BE BACK ON THE BOARD OR WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD. THAT'S TOTALLY APPROPRIATE TO DO. ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S DECEMBER 3RD. >> THANKS. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> THANK YOU. >> FRED PUGH, PLEASE. >> FRED PUGH, 1552 RUSKIN LANE. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK PARKS AND REC AND THE COMMITTEE FOR AGREEING TO REFER OUR PATTON COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT THEY WERE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, BUT THE REASON I'M HERE THIS EVENING IS BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT, PA TANK IS NOT ON YOUR AGENDA. IT'S NOT ON A PROJECT FOR 2025. UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES WITH THE NEW COMMISSION, I REALIZE THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE AFTER THE ELECTION, AND THEY COULD TRY TO UNDO THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, BUT I MYSELF AND OUR BOARD DON'T WANT TO ASSUME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. WE'RE BACK TO PARK AND REC SAYING, WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE REPLACEMENTS OF COURTS? WE UNDERSTAND THAT OTHER SPORTS THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES, AND WE WEREN'T REALLY INFORMED OF HOW MANY THINGS WERE GOING ON. WE MOVED FOR THE ALVAREZ FIELD. IT WASN'T OUR INTENT TO TRY TO TAKE THAT FROM ANYBODY, WHICH IS WHY WE QUICKLY BACKED UP AND SAID, WELL, HOLD, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AN EXISTING FIELD AND RUIN IT, AND THEN HAVE TO BUILD IT AGAIN, BUT WE DO WANT A SPACE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WITH JEREMIAH WHO WAS THE ACTING MANAGER, HE DID A TOWN HALL MEETING AND FOR CENTRAL PARK, WHICH WAS THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE ARE FINE WITH, BY THE WAY, BUT MY CONVERSATIONS WITH JEREMIAH IS THE BLOWBACK ON THAT WAS SIMILAR TO ALVAREZ FIELD. THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT THE OPEN SPACE. THEY'RE AGAINST TAKING IT. JOHN EVEN WENT BACK OUT AND STAKED THE FIELD FOR PEOPLE THAT HAD REACHED OUT TO HIM FROM DIFFERENT CLUBS AND ORGANIZATIONS, AND THEY WERE AGAINST THAT. I'M JUST LOOKING NOT TO BE LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. IF WE'RE NOT ON THE PLAN FOR 2025, WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH COURTS NEXT YEAR IF THE COURTS GO AWAY DOWNTOWN. [00:10:06] IT'S WORTH SAYING AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED TO BE VERY FLEXIBLE THAT IT CAN BE FLEX SPACE. NOT AS MUCH ME, WALLY, AS YOU KNOW, BUT THE REST OF THE BOARD SAYING, WE CAN USE THAT SPACE FOR OTHER THINGS. WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE STAY AT THE MARINA. IT'S THE MOST INEXPENSIVE PATH, AND IF THEY DO SOME BETTER CONSTRUCTION OF THAT SURFACE, GOLF CARTS CAN PARK ON THAT, AND WE CAN USE IT FOR PATTON COURTS AND WORK THAT OUT UTILIZATION WITH THE CITY. THAT'S OUR REQUEST THAT WE DON'T GET LOST. >> I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT 2025. JUST AS YOU ARE LOST, I'M IN THAT SAME BOAT. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW. >> WELL, I JUST LOOKED AT THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, WALLY, AND I ASSUMED THAT MAYBE THIS WAS THE SECOND TIME BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OUT OF TOWN, BUT WHEN I WENT THROUGH IT, IT'S TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS FOR 2025. I DIDN'T TALK TO SCOTT OR CALL OR REACH OUT TO THEM BECAUSE I JUST GOT BACK AND I READ IT AND SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO COME IN AND JUST SAY, PLEASE DON'T LOSE US IN THE SHUFFLE BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING OUR COURTS TAKEN AWAY RIGHT AFTER THIS WEEKEND. THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOWN THERE WITH HEAVY EQUIPMENT, AND THEY'RE GONE, AND THE WINNER IS OUR BIGGEST TIME. OUR CLUB IS NOW OVER 170 PAYING MEMBERS. THEY DON'T PAY A LOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY NASH AT ALL, BUT UP TO THIS POINT, THE CITY ONLY PAID TO BUILD THE COURTS DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY TOOK AWAY THE COURTS WE BUILT WITH OUR MONEY. THEY JUST SAID, YOU CAN USE THE SPACE. WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD BY HOOK AND BY CROOK CAN GET DONATIONS AND THINGS, AND WE BOUGHT THE SURFACE MATERIAL. THE CITY REMOVED THAT, AND THEN THEY AGREED TO PUT IT BACK WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION WAS DONE. THE CITY'S NEVER SPENT MUCH MONEY ON PATTON. WE MAINTAIN THE COURTS. WE HAVEN'T REALLY ASKED FOR VERY MUCH. I THINK SCOTT WILL ATTEST TO THAT. WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT THEY'RE TAKING AWAY OUR COURTS. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN EXPANSION. THEY'RE TAKING AWAY WHAT WE HAD, AND WE NEED THOSE. THAT'S JUST THE REQUEST. JOHN COULDN'T MAKE IT THIS EVENING, SO HE ASKED ME TO COME AND JUST SAY, PLEASE DON'T FORGET US, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING FOR US, WE WILL GO AND SPEAK AT THE COMMISSION, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT YOU. THREE NEW COMMISSIONERS, THEY HAVE PLANS, BUT I'M SURE PATAK ISN'T THE TOP OF THEIR LIST AS THEY TRY TO COME UP TO SPEED ON EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE CITY. IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY THINGS WE ALWAYS HAVE GOING ON. THANK YOU. I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME YOU ALL PUT IN. >> SCOTT, TWO THINGS. WHERE ARE WE? WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE THE PROJECT THAT'S HAPPENING AT CENTRAL PARK TO REFURBISH THE EXISTING COURT, AND WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OR HAVE YOU TALKED TO JEREMIAH AT ALL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE INFORMATION FROM THE TOWN HALL? BECAUSE IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. I THOUGHT THERE WERE A LOT OF THOUGHTFUL REMARKS AND IT WOULD REALLY STING TO THINK THAT THAT JUST WENT NOWHERE. SURELY SOMETHING HAPPENED. >> WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING A MEETING THIS WEEK WITH THE STREETS DEPARTMENT AND PARKS AND REC, AND WE'RE GOING TO REDOING THOSE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK, EITHER STARTING BECAUSE WE'RE GEARING UP FOR SOME CHRISTMAS STUFF BEFORE THANKSGIVING, BUT WE WILL HAVE THOSE COMPLETED BY WHEN THEY NEED THEM BY JANUARY 1ST. WE WILL BE STARTING THAT PROJECT. WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST STARTING THE PROJECT AT EGANS CREEK PARK TO INSTALL THAT EQUIPMENT. THEN IN ABOUT A WEEK OR WEEK AND A HALF, WE WILL BE STARTING THAT PROBLEM RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING. >> BUT IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK ARE 12 OF 16 THAT YOU GUYS NEED FOR REGULAR VEGISH PLAY. >> I'LL BE BACK AT THE NIGHT. >> GO AHEAD, SCOTT. >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE COURTS RECONFIGURED AND REFURBISHED AT CENTRAL PARK BY JANUARY 1ST. >> BUT THEY WILL STILL HAVE SOME PLACE TO PLAY BETWEEN NOW AND JANUARY 1ST. >> AT DOWNTOWN, THAT IS CORRECT. >> I THOUGHT HE SAID THAT WAS GOOD. [OVERLAPPING] I THOUGHT THEY WERE STARTING ON THE WATERFRONT PARK AS SOON AS THIS TOURNAMENT WAS OVER. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE EXACT DATE. I DON'T HAVE THE EMAIL RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT IT WAS STIPULATED THAT WE HAVE THESE COURTS READY FOR THEM BY JANUARY 1ST. [00:15:05] >> WELL, CAN WE AT LEAST GET A COMMUNICATION TO. >> OF COURSE. >> THE PATTON CLUB OUTLINING EXACTLY WHEN WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT THAT YOU'LL LOSE. YOU GUYS HAVE A DROP DEAD DATE FOR THE MARINA PARK, AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING ONCE THEY START THE PROJECT IN JANUARY AT CENTRAL PARK TO REFURBISH THAT, HOW LONG WILL THEY BE WITHOUT COURT? >> WE WILL BE DONE BY JANUARY 1ST. >> OKAY. >> WE WILL BE DONE IS WHEN, AND MR. ABBOTT WAS WAS FINE WITH THAT. WE WILL HAVE THOSE COURTS COMPLETED. THE PLAN WAS FOR THEM TO STAY DOWN THERE AT THE MARINA UNTIL WE WERE DONE BY JANUARY 1ST. >> I JUST THOUGHT THAT THE WATERFRONT PARK WAS STARTING WITH THEM. THEN WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OR WHAT DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN HAD REGARDING THE INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED AT THE TOWN HALL? >> THE WAY THAT THAT CAME OUT WAS, AS OF RIGHT NOW, UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES IS THAT WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE ANY REGIONAL TOURNAMENTS WHERE THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL COURTS, WE WERE GOING TO MAKE THEM AVAILABLE FOR THEM FOR A WEEKEND AT THE MARINA PARK IN THE PARKING LOT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT HE MAY BE REFERRING TO OF LOSING COURTS BECAUSE YES, THEY STILL ARE LOSING THOSE COURTS, BUT WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING WAS WE WERE GOING TO FIX THOSE UP. WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE AT CENTRAL PARK, AND THEN WHENEVER THEY DID HAVE A REGIONAL TOURNAMENT, WE WOULD PREPARE THOSE COURTS FOR THEM RIGHT AT THE MARINA. >> THAT'S NOT HOW I RECALL IT EITHER THAT THE REGIONAL STUFF WOULD STILL BE HAPPENING AT CENTRAL PARK. IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU UNDERSTOOD? >> YEAH. >> THAT IT WAS FOR THE BIGGER PART OF THAT. >> FIRST OF ALL, SCOTT DID COMMUNICATE ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN CENTRAL PARK, THAT THEY WERE STARTING MID-NOVEMBER AND THEY'D BE DONE. WE KNOW THAT. THE DISPARITY, AND MAYBE JOHN HASN'T UPDATED ME 100%, BECAUSE AGAIN, I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR A LITTLE WHILE, IS THAT, MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH JEREMIAH WAS RIGHT AFTER THIS, THOSE COURTS WERE IN JEOPARDY DOWNTOWN. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL JANUARY 1, THEN WE'LL HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY. BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE FILLED ALL THE COURTS DOWN HERE, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE PLAYING TRIPLES BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH COURTS. THE WINTER, WE OVERWHELMED IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT IN THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, WE USE THE CENTRAL PARK COURTS BECAUSE IT'S HOT AND WE'RE UNDER THE TREES, BUT WE DON'T NEED AS MANY COURTS BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVE IN THE SUMMER. IT'S JUST TOO HOT FOR OLDER PEOPLE. BUT NOW WE'RE IN THE PRIME SEASON FROM NOW THROUGH APRIL, EARLY MAY. I MEAN, ON SATURDAYS, WE'LL FILL IT, WEDNESDAY AFTERNOONS. THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE. THE REST OF THE WEEK, IT'S ON AND OFF. THAT'S THE QUESTION. IT'S NOT JUST TOURNAMENT PLAY, BECAUSE JOHN ALWAYS CLARIFIES, WE HAVE TO HAVE OFFICIAL SIZED COURTS FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY. THEN WE SQUEEZE IN THE SUMMER, BECAUSE WE'LL GET 50, 60 PEOPLE IN THE SUMMER AT THE CURRENT CENTRAL PARK. WE MAKE THE COURT SMALLER TO PLAY ON, JUST SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO DO, AND IT'S SOCIAL. BUT NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO PLAY ON AN UNOFFICIAL SURFACE. THEY WANT A FULL SIZED COURT TO PLAY ON, BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE GAME DRAMATICALLY. >> IT'S STILL THAT WE NEED TO IDENTIFY A LONG-TERM SOLUTION OR NO? IN YOUR MIND, IS THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION [OVERLAPPING]? >> THE WAY IT WAS LEFT AFTER THAT MEETING WAS WE DID NOT IDENTIFY A SPOT FOR THESE COURTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE LOST. WHAT WE DID IS WE ARE PROVIDING THEM A LOCATION AT CENTRAL PARK. THEN THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS LEFT IS WE'RE REFURBISHING THAT. WHEN THEY NEEDED MORE COURTS FOR A TOURNAMENT OR SUCH, WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM DOWNTOWN. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY ANSWER HIS QUESTION. BUT BASICALLY WE WERE NOT ADDING ANY OF THAT. WE'RE NOT TAKING THOSE COURTS AND MOVING THEM TO CENTRAL PARK. >> THERE WASN'T A VOTE THAT YOU'RE SAYING. THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THAT AT ALL? >> THAT'S WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING. >> ARE WE STILL THAT WAS SHUT DOWN THE COMMUNITY. >> THEY SHUT DOWN EVA ALVAREZ AND THEY AGREED IT WAS LIKE, [00:20:02] I WAS HERE AT THE DOWNTOWN HALL MEETING. IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT OF ALADI, THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS AN AGREEMENT OR SOME SORT THAT CENTRAL PARK WAS THE PLACE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE. NOW, THERE WASN'T A VOTE, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT TOWN HALL MEETING. >> WHAT I THOUGHT TOO IS THAT, WE WERE GOING TO BE WORKING TO EXPAND TO GIVE THEM >> BECAUSE THERE WAS A AND A B. THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT MODELS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US. THE ONE THAT WAS CLOSER TO THE PARKING AREA, THOSE PYLONS WAS THE ONE THAT I THINK EVERYBODY HAD TALKED ABOUT AND AGREED ON. NOW, IT WASN'T VOTED, BUT IT WAS AN AGREEMENT IN THAT TOWN HALL THAT THAT'S WHAT THERE. >> THAT'S HOW I THE REMEMBERED TOO. >> WHAT WAS AGREED UPON IS THAT WE WERE REFURBISHING THE EXISTING COURTS. THAT'S WHAT WAS AGREED UPON. NOW, IF I'M WRONG, I MEAN, I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I'M 99% SURE THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >> THAT WAS THE MINIMAL ASK. WHAT'S TO GIVE THOSE SPOTS, BUT THERE'S STILL A LONG-TERM NEED OF COURT PLEA. >> THE LONG-TERM IS IF PRAC WANTS TO RECOMMEND THAT WE FIND ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR PETANQUE, THEN WE HAVE TO LOCATE THAT. THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE NEW CITY COMMISSION ON WHERE THAT WOULD BE. BUT GO AHEAD. >> WHEN THE SOFTBALL GROUP, WHICH I GIVE HIM A LOT OF CREDIT FROM HOW THEY HANDLED IT, BY THE WAY, THEY DIDN'T COME AND GO CRAZY. THEY WENT RIGHT TO US AND SAID, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WE ALL SAID, WHOA, WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN A FIGHT WITH ANYBODY. I THOUGHT THEY HANDLED IT GREAT. THEY CAME AS A GROUP AND SAID, ALVAREZ IS OFF THE TABLE. THE SECOND CHOICE WAS CENTRAL PARK. IT WENT BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO REVERSE THEIR DECISIONS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THEY DID THAT. THAT WOULD PUSH IT TO NUMBER 2. ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER STURGIS SAID, BEFORE WE VOTE AND SAY, LET'S PUT IT IN CENTRAL PARK, WILL YOU DO A TOWN HALL MEETING AND GET SOME MORE INFORMATION? JEREMIAH AND I, I ASSUME SCOTT WAS THERE TOO, HE DID THE TOWN HALL MEETING. THERE WAS A LOT OF PUSHBACK TO THAT. I LISTENED TO IT ONLINE. I TALKED TO JEREMIAH AFTER THAT. JEREMIAH SAID, IT'S THE COMMISSIONERS AREN'T GOING TO APPROVE IT WHEN I TELL THEM THAT THERE WAS ALL THIS PUSHBACK. THEY DON'T WANT TO USE THAT SPACE. A NEW COMMISSION'S COMING, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT. WE SAID FINE. HE AGREED, THEY'D REFER THOSE COURTS IN CENTRAL PARK. WE SAID FINE, WELL, THAT'S THE STEP FORWARD. IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE SPACE IN THE INTERIM. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? THEY CAN GOT KICKED, WHICH IS WHY I CAME AND SAID, PLEASE DON'T LET US OFF YOUR RADAR WE NEED A SOLUTION. I'VE SENT A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS TO JEREMIAH WITH MAPS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THEY ALL REQUIRE IMPACT TO SOMETHING ELSE OR MORE MONEY. IT'S TAKING SOMETHING, A PIECE OF THE GOLF COURSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND IT REQUIRES MONEY. WHICH IS WHY THE CLUB, AND WE JUST STRONGLY ENCOURAGED THAT, YOU AS A GROUP, LOOK AT THE VARIOUS PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE DOWNTOWN. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO DID ANOTHER DRAWING. HE WAS SOMEBODY THAT USED TO BE ON PRAC THAT WAS GOOD WITH COMPUTERS, AND HE DID A DRAWING, AND IT FLOATED AROUND. HE SHIFTED THE COURTS A LITTLE BIT AND ALLOWED THE PARKING LOT LINE TO STAY. IT JUST SAID, THIS IS WHERE YOU WERE GOING TO PUT GOLF CARTS. DON'T PUT GRASS, PUT A HARD SURFACE DOWN, AND MAYBE TRIM IT WITH A CONCRETE CURVE, AND THEN IT DEFINES IT AS AN AREA WE'RE PLAYING PETANQUE. BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN REMOVE SOME 4*4S, AND IT'S A PARKING LOT, BASICALLY, WHICH YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, I GUESS. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE CITY RULES. BUT IT ALLOWED THEM TO USE IT FOR WHAT THEY SAID. BY THE WAY, JUST AS A QUICK ASIDE, I PLAYED A TOURNAMENT IN THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. IT WAS DOWNTOWN IN A PARK AND THE PETANQUE PEOPLE HAD GOTTEN THE CITY, AND THEY WENT THROUGH TIME, THEY PUT IN, BASICALLY, A PETANQUE SURFACE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, HARD PACKED WITH A LOOSE GRAVEL ON TOP. IT WAS REALLY AMAZING BECAUSE THEY PUT THIS IN THIS PARK, AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DID ON TOP OF IT? THEY PUT ALL THESE TABLES AND CHAIRS. WHEN THE TOURNAMENT WAS GETTING SET UP, THEY WERE HAVING TO MOVE THEM, AND I WAS CHATTING WITH PEOPLE, AND THEY SAY, OH, [00:25:02] THIS PLACE IS PACKED WHEN WE'RE NOT PLAYING PETANQUE. PEOPLE ARE DOWN SITTING IN THE CHAIRS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE AN OPEN SPACE, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WERE BRAINSTORMING WITH YOU FOR ALVAREZ TO MAKE IT AN OPEN SPACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO SIT AND READ OR PLAY CHECKERS OR WHATEVER. THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT A FLEX SPACE THAT WORKS. WITHOUT THE CITY SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY, AGAIN. THE OTHER THING IT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THIS BIG NOVEMBER TOURNAMENT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S IN JEOPARDY, THE CURRENT DESIGN, MAYBE WE CAN GET 60 COURTS DOWN THERE. WELL, THAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, TAKE SOME OF THE FLARE AWAY FROM IT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE BIG NOVEMBER TOURNAMENT. I THINK IT WAS STATED, NOT BY ME, BUT WITH THE CITY THAT IT HAD A $2 MILLION POTENTIAL IMPACT, I THINK, THE TDC, WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED NOW, SAID THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT TOURNAMENT DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF BRINGING IN REVENUE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. NONE OF THEM ARE EASY. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH LOTS OF THEM WITH SCOTT TRYING TO FIND OUT A PATH TO GO PREVIOUSLY. THAT'S WHAT WE THINK THE BEST THING IS, BUT IT'S A COMMISSION, BUT IT HELPS IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND LOOKED AT PLANS, AND SAID, THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. OTHERWISE, WE'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE EITHER SPEND MONEY TO FIND LAND OR WE TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, WHICH IS NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE FOR ANYBODY. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M JUST HAVING ONE QUESTION. ARE WE PREPARED FOR YOUR TOURNAMENT THIS COMING WEEKEND? >> WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY. WE JUST PUT UP BARRIERS. ACTUALLY, YESTERDAY MORNING, THE CITY'S GRADED IT, THE MATERIALS THERE. THE NEXT TWO DAYS WILL BE REALLY HECTIC. IT'S ALL VOLUNTEER LATE WE'RE GOING OUT, SETTING THE COURTS UP. THE CITY SCRAPES THE PARKING LOT AND THEN SPREADS THE MATERIAL WE BROUGHT IN. THEN WE BRING IN ALL OF THE DIVIDERS, AND WE STRING IT, AND MEASURE IT. THERE'LL BE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS OUT THERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS SETTING THE WHOLE THING UP. BUT THE CITY'S BEEN GOOD TO WORK WITH AS ALWAYS. >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING GOES OFF WITHOUT A HITCH? >> THEY ARE DEFINITELY BEING SUPPORTED BY US. >> THAT'S ALL. >> THE DEPARTMENT IS HEAVILY INVOLVED AS WELL. I KNOW JEREMIAH HAS ALSO BEEN IN MEETINGS WITH THEM AS WELL. >> THANKS FOR THIS. >> THANKS FOR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. >> I APPRECIATE YOU. THANKS, SCOTT. >> WE ARE. [OVERLAPPING] >> ITEM NUMBER 6.1, PUBLIC ART APPLICATION. [6.1 Public Art Application (Review Application And Process)] >> THIS ITEM, WE HAVE EDITED THE DOCUMENT. I HOPE YOU HAVE HAD TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. THIS WAS WHAT HAS COME OUT OF OUR TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD GONE THROUGH. WHAT KATIE AND I BASICALLY GOT OUT OF THE WORKSHOPS IS THAT, THE BOARD WANTED TO HAVE MAYBE ANOTHER ITEM. WE WANTED TO SEPARATE MURALS, PLUS WE ALSO WANTED TO ADD LONG-TERM INSTALLATION, WHICH IS UP TO FIVE YEARS. BASICALLY THAT UP TO FIVE YEARS IS WHERE IT'S STILL THE PROPERTY OF THE ARTIST. WE MADE JUST THAT SMALL CHANGE. THEN WE ALSO PUT, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THAT FIRST PAGE AS OWNERSHIP TYPE, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD WORK WITH US TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT IS. WE WOULD WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THERE. BUT BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT IS, ARE YOU FINE WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE? THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD TAKE THIS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR HER TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF SHE HAD ANY OTHER CHANGES. THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO LOOK ON THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE EXISTING ORDINANCE. THEN DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, BASED ON SOME OF THESE SMALL CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE IN THE APPLICATION. ALSO, IN ADDITION TO THAT, SINCE THE ORDINANCE DOES INVOLVE THE HDC AND THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT, I WOULD REACH OUT TO KELLY AND HER STAFF TO SEE HOW THEY WANT THAT PROCESS TO GO. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD BE RECEIVING THESE ART APPLICATIONS, AND I WOULD FORWARD THEM TO HER AND HER STAFF TO PRESENT TO HDC. [00:30:05] THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE WHILE. ESPECIALLY, IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCES OR THE ORDINANCE. IT HAS TO, I BELIEVE, TWO READINGS. IT CAN TAKE A LITTLE WHILE. >> JUST ONE THING HE MISS WAS, AFTER WE GET ALL THE CITY ATTORNEY'S APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD AND KELLY'S FEEDBACK, THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU ONE MORE TIME SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CHANGES FOR A FINAL. YOU WILL SEE IT AGAIN ONCE ALL THOSE CHANGES GO THROUGH WITH THE UPDATED ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL SUBMIT. >>BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME SMALL EDITS TO THE APPLICATION. THEN WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE THOSE ALONG WITH ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE BEFORE IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD. >> ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS COME TO US, AND THEN THEY'RE DIVVIED UP EITHER PARK AND REC PROPERTY OR? >> AS OF RIGHT NOW, YES, THAT IS CORRECT. WE COULD TAKE THE APPLICATION. THE ONES FOR DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE REVIEWED BY HDC. I WOULD AT LEAST MAKE NOTE OF IT THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS, AND THEN I WOULD SEND THAT TO THEM FOR. >> THAT'S REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S JUST ADDRESS WHERE THE ART WOULD BE LOCATED? >> WELL, THE PARKS PROPERTY? >> I'M SORRY. YES, EXACTLY. >> IT'S IN CITY? >> YES. IF IT'S DOWNTOWN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT WOULD GO TO THAT. >> THAT'S JUST REAL STRAIGHTFORWARD. >> IT DOESN'T COME TO US AT ALL IF IT'S GOING TO HDC. >> IT WOULD COME BACK AT THE END? >> WELL, THAT'S THE PROCESS PART TOO, THAT HOW IF WE RECEIVE IT, I CAN RECEIVE IT, IT COULD GO TO THEM FOR APPROVAL. SINCE IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO PRAC. >> IT'S GOT TO COME BACK IN SOME WAY FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THE PROJECT. IT SHOULD BE FROM THE BEGINNING OF WE'RE RECEIVING IT SINCE PARKS AND REC IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ART OVERALL FOR THE CITY, SO WE ARE RECEIVING IT. AT SOME POINT, IT SHOULD AT LEAST COME BACK FROM HDC TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE TO PARKS AND REC, MAYBE NOT OUR BOARD, BUT TO YOU, TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT THAT, IT'S MOVED THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND NOW IT'S GOING BEFORE THE COMMISSION. WE SHOULD HAVE SOME INSIGHT TO IT, JUST BECAUSE IT BECOMES THEN COLLECTIVELY CITY ART? >> I AGREE WITH THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WHAT WALLY OR MEMBER BORRERO WAS SAYING THAT, DOES IT COME BACK TO PRAC FOR THEN A FORMAL ANOTHER APPROVAL? I DIDN'T GET THAT OUT OF IT. I GOT LIKE, THEY HAVE APPROVED IT. IT'S FOR OUR AWARENESS. >> THEN I THINK MAYBE ONE OF THE PIECES THAT YOU MISSED AT THE LAST WORKSHOP, AND TELL ME IF I'M NOT REMEMBERING THIS CORRECTLY, BUT BASICALLY, IT GETS RECEIVED, AND WHEN IT GETS RECEIVED, IT FIRST GOES TO RICHARD AND THOSE GUYS TO VERIFY, IS IT THE APPROPRIATE ART GET MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE ART ITSELF BEFORE IT GOES EVEN TO THE HDC OR TO US? >> I WOULD WE ACTUALLY WOULD RECEIVE IT. WE WOULD PUT IT ON OUR NEXT AGENDA THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IT. IN THE MEANTIME, WELL, ACTUALLY, I WOULD WANT TO PRESENT IT TO YOU. WE HAVE RECEIVED THIS, AND THEN WE WOULD FORWARD IT ONTO RICHARD AND HIS GROUP. NOW, THE ONLY THING WOULD BE IS, WITH HDC, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HOW IF THEY WANT RICHARD'S GROUP INVOLVED OR NOT. THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO SAY. >> I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE AS THE CITY, WE NEED TO HAVE A STANDARDIZED PROCESS OF ACCEPTANCE BECAUSE, AGAIN, THOSE VARIABLES COULD CHANGE WITH PEOPLE SITTING ON THIS BOARD, PEOPLE SITTING ON THE HDC. >> THEN I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS, I NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, AND THIS WAS MY PLAN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH KELLY. I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE NEED TO DO THEN IS ALMOST PRESENT TO HDC TO SEE IF THAT'S WHAT THE WAY THEY WANT TO DO IT. >> BUT HAS HDC HAVE THE SAME APPLICATION? >> ARE THEY GOING TO USE THE SAME APPLICATION THAT WE'RE USING? >> YES. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE STANDARD. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE STANDARD. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE DOES DOES THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT WANT RICHARD'S GROUP TO ALSO BE PART OF THEIR REVIEW PROCESS? I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY YES OR NO TO THAT. [00:35:02] >> LET ME ASK ONE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. ANY MAINTENANCE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FALLS BACK TO PARKS AND REC. AGAIN, PARKS AND REC HAS TO HAVE THE INSIGHT OF THE LOCATION. YES, THE FINAL APPROVAL MAY SIT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S GOT TO HAVE SOME APPROVAL FROM PARKS AND REC TO SAY, WE COULD PUT A STATUE THERE. THEN IF PARKS AND REC AGREES THAT THAT PLACE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT, THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE HISTORIC COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THE APPROPRIATE ART, THAT IT DOES FIT IN THAT SPACE. THEY'RE MAKING THOSE DETERMINATIONS BECAUSE THE MAINTENANCE THEN FALLS TO PARKS AND REC IN ANY INSTANCE, CORRECT? >> AM I HEARING YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU WANT PRAC OR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO PICK OUT THOSE EXISTING LOCATIONS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL? >> WELL, IT'S GOING TO COME TWO WAYS. TYPICALLY, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT A STATUE THAT I WANT TO PUT NEXT TO FOURTH STREET [INAUDIBLE], AND THEY'RE IDENTIFYING A LOCATION AND WE HAVE TO SAY, YES, THAT'S A SPOT THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR ART, OR NO, YOU CAN'T PUT IT THERE. YOU DON'T NEED TO WASTE RICHARD'S TIME IF WE ARE ALREADY DETERMINING THAT THAT IS NOT A SPOT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? DIDN'T WE SAY WE WERE GOING TO BE OPEN TO SPOTS THAT WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED? >> YES. >> YES, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THAT'S LIKE A PRE-DETERMINANT. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN A SPACE, IF WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND GO, THAT'S NOT A SPACE OR WE HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THAT AS A SPACE, DO WE WANT RICHARD SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND THEN GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE HDC IF THAT'S NOT A VIABLE PLACE? DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? >> WHAT I THINK WE'RE MISSING A LITTLE BIT IS WHEN THE APPLICATION IS GOING TO COME IN, SCOTT AND I WILL SEE IT FIRST, AND THEN IT WILL COME TO YOU. IF WE SEE THAT, AND WE'RE LIKE, THIS IS NOT A GOOD PLACE, WE WILL RECOMMEND THAT. WE WILL TELL YOU, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD PLACE OR WE DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THIS ARTWORK. THAT WILL COME TO YOU WITH THE APPLICATION, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE. YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE TO SEND IT TO RICHARD OR NOT. THAT WILL HAPPEN AT THE FIRST READING, AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU AFTER RICHARD'S REVIEW. THERE WOULD BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE APPLICATION BEFORE IT GETS SENT. >> I'VE HEARD THE HDC STUFF. >> FOR AN HDC PROJECT. >> IT WOULD NOT COME TO US FIRST. >> BUT IT WOULD COME TO US. IF WE DID FEEL LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD NOT MAINTAIN, SCOTT OR I, WE COULD BRING IT TO YOU OR WE WOULD GO TO HDC AND GIVE THEM OUR FEEDBACK. >> THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IS THAT PRAC HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER THE HDC PART, THE EXISTING ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHERE I WANTED TO TALK TO KELLY AND HER GROUP, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS HERE IS, DO THEY WANT PRAC INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL? SECOND IS, DO THEY WANT RICHARD AND HIS GROUP INVOLVED IN IT? >> TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS, HOPING THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING AT THE HTC. THEN YOU NEED TO TAKE IT TO KELLY AND FIND OUT IF THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT, AND YOU GUYS COME UP WITH A PROCESS THAT WORKS FOR YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT TO SAY, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN STUFF THAT COMES TO US OR THE HDC AND SEE IF THEY'RE EVEN OPEN TO THAT, AND THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AND SAY, THEY'RE OPEN TO IT. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE PROCESS BEFORE WE APPROVE THE PROCESS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY SAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW IF WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT. WE'RE JUST GOING TO IMPROVE THIS. >> TONIGHT, I'M ASKING FOR CONSENSUS ON THE APPLICATION. AFTER I TAKE THIS APPLICATION, I WILL WORK WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND I WILL WORK WITH KELLY AND HER TEAM AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT THEY WANT THE PROCESS, AND HERE'S HOW WE WOULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU. >> THAT'S GREAT. >> THAT SOUNDS GREAT. MAYBE WHEN YOU GUYS DO IT, YOU CAN WRITE OUT A LITTLE FLOW CHART OR SOMETHING SEND US. [LAUGHTER] THAT WAY, EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND IT. SEND IT TO US AHEAD OF THE MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL KNOW. THAT WAY EVERYONE GETS MINUTES. >> THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAID TODAY THAT WE WOULD PUT A FLOW CHART OF HOW IT DISPERSES FROM US. >> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR THE HARD WORK OF CLARIFYING THE NOT PERMANENT BECAUSE THAT REALLY WAS A STICKING POINT FOR ME. >> THAT SO STICKY. [00:40:01] >> AFTER REVIEWING THIS, I LIKE ALL OF THE CHANGES, AND I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED IT, READING IT ON A TINY PHONE, BUT ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER IS, WHEN A PERSON IS APPLYING, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ON, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THIS ON, BUT THE COST TO MAINTAIN THIS IN THE FUTURE, WE ESTIMATE IT TO BE. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION ACCEPTS IT, THEY OUGHT TO BE ACCEPTING [OVERLAPPING] THE COST TO IT. I'M JUST MAKING THINGS UP NOW, BUT WHAT IF WE BRING IN 10 PROJECTS AND THEY EACH COST $10,000? WELL, THAT'S $100,000. IF THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTING THAT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY AS WE DO, WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR AND HAVE $100,000 DEFICIT FOR MAINTENANCE. >> NOW, REMEMBER, WITH THIS PROCESS, IS ANYTHING THAT'S PERMANENT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. WHEN THAT GOES TO THEM FOR FINAL APPROVAL, IN THAT PACKET, WE COULD SAY, HERE'S THE ESTIMATED COST THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ON. THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I THOUGHT THAT WE WANTED TO INSERT LONG TERM INSTALLATION BECAUSE LONG TERM INSTALLATION UP TO FIVE YEARS IS STILL UNDER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE ARTIST, THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT. ANYTHING THAT GOES OVER THE FIVE YEARS, THAT KICKS TO US, CITY OWN/COMMISSION. THAT'S THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY? >> I JUST DON'T WANT THIS TO GET TO A POINT THAT IT'S LIKE, LET'S GET ALL THIS ART, AND IT'S GREAT, AND THEN EVERYBODY'S LIKE, MY GOD, WE GOT TO TAKE THAT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST US MONEY TO MAINTAIN IT. >> WELL, I THINK THAT RICHARD AND THEM WILL BE HELPFUL IN COMING UP WITH WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THIS. YOU HAVE A REALISTIC IDEA TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION AND FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT TO KNOW. BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO POLISH A STATUTE. JUST GO OUT THERE WITH SOME RAGS. [LAUGHTER] >> WITHOUT A DOUBT. >> BUT I COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. >> ARE YOU GIVING ME A CONSENSUS ON THAT YOU ARE OKAY WITH THIS APPLICATION? >> I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION. >> HOLD ON, I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO THAT MOMENT. SCOTT, AS OF TODAY, THE 12TH NOVEMBER, WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING ANY APPLICATIONS YET UNTIL THIS IS APPROVED, AM I CORRECT? >> YOU ARE CORRECT, HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LENGTHY PROCESS OF CHANGING THE ORDINANCE AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE, SO AS WE CHANGE THIS, WHAT DOES PRAC RECOMMEND OR DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US ON WHAT OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO START OPENING THIS BACK UP, OR DO WE WAIT UNTIL THE ORDINANCE IS CHANGED? >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE MONTHS? >> I WOULD SAY THAT COULD BE A GOOD GOAL. >> WE'RE REJECTING MARCH OR APRIL, DEPENDING ON WHEN THE ORDINANCES GET ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE THE LAST ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DIDN'T GO BACK-TO-BACK. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING IN BETWEEN. IT DOES, DEPENDING ON WHEN WE CAN GET IT ON AN AGENDA FOR THE COMMISSION. THAT'S ALSO TO SAY, IF IT GOES TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE HDC, AND WE CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND YOU SEE IT AGAIN, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER CHANGE, AND AS A WHOLE, WE HAVE TO COME BACK ANOTHER MEETING. YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THOSE PIECES. BUT ONCE YOU HIT THE GREEN LIGHT ON, THIS IS GOOD, IT CAN GO TO COMMISSION, I WOULD SAY YOU HAVE TWO MONTHS AT THAT POINT UNTIL IT'S APPROVED. >> POSSIBLY FOUR MONTHS? >> CORRECT. >> THE EARLIEST YOU COULD SEE THIS MARCH 1? >> I THINK IT'S FAIR. I HATE TO PUT TIME TIMETABLES ON IT. >> I DON'T WANT YOU TO PUT A TIME FRAME ON IT. >> I CAN'T CONTROL THE CITY ATTORNEY'S SCHEDULE. >> I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A YEAR TO DO THIS. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG. >> I HOPE NOT. >> IT IS TEDIOUS AND TIME CONSUMING, BUT I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT WE DO SOMETHING, WE REALLY ONLY HAVE THE ONE APPLICATION, AND WE PUSH THAT THROUGH TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN SITTING THERE, AND THEN WE SLOW DOWN. I WOULD STILL SUPPORT A MORATORIUM UNTIL WE GET THIS FIXED. [00:45:02] >> AS OF TODAY, NOVEMBER 12, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SUBMITTING ANY ART? >> NO. >> DOES THE ART THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN, THE APPLICATION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE WENT THROUGH CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY COMMISSION AGREED TO DO THAT ONE SIDE OF THE MURAL AND SAID TO BRING BACK TO ARTS AND RECREATION, THE OTHER THREE SIDES? WE'RE TALKING 25% OF WHAT THEY AGREED ON. THEY SAID BRING IT BACK FOR THE PROCESSING. IS THAT STILL AN APPLICATION THAT IS ACTIVE IN Q BECAUSE THAT WAS AN APPLICATION THAT WAS PUT IN, IT WENT THROUGH CITY COMMISSION, CITY COMMISSION APPROVED ONE SIDE OF THAT. BY THE WAY, IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. IF ANYBODY'S GONE DOWN AND SEEN THAT MURAL, IT WAS A GREAT ADDITION TO THE RIGHT WELL FESTIVAL. HE WENT OVER TODAY AND PUT A CONCEALER CODE ON IT, AND IT'S GOING TO GO BACK TOMORROW AND PUT ANOTHER CODE ON IT. >> I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION, MOLLY, BUT MAYBE I WAS WRONG, BUT THEY WERE JUST APPROVING THAT ONE. >> THEY DID. >> THEN THEY NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER THREE. >> WELL, IT'S ON RECORD, SO WE CAN EASILY LOOK THAT UP. IF IT'S ON RECORD, WHAT THEY SPOKE, WE CAN LOOK THAT UP. I WAS HERE, AND WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT OTHER THREE WALLS WILL BE SENT BACK TO PRAC SO THAT THE PROCESSING WILL BE THERE PROPERLY. >> IT WOULD BE UNDER THE NEW RULES. >> HOWEVER, STILL, YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, IS THERE AN APPLICATION? THAT IS THE APPLICATION THAT IS STILL OUTSTANDING IN Q. IS IT NOT? >> I THOUGHT WE APPROVED GRANDFATHERING IT IN. [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, WE JUST [INAUDIBLE] WHAT I BELIEVE WAS SAID AT THE MEETING AT THE COMMISSIONERS WHEN THEY DID THIS WAS THAT THEY WERE APPROVING THE ONE SIDE. >> THEY DID. WHAT DID WE APPROVE? >> WE APPROVED ALL OF IT, AND SENT ALL OF THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, BUT THEN THEY KICKED BACK AND ONLY DID ONE SIDE. >> SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY WERE GOING TO DENY IT, BASED ON WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BUT WE TALKED AT THE MEETING AND I HAVE GIVEN THEM THE BACKGROUND OF WHAT WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING HERE. BASED ON THAT, AND THE FESTIVAL COMING UP FOR THE RIGHT WHALE, THEY SAID, WELL, GO AHEAD AND DO THE ONE SIDE, BUT THEN THE REST OF IT NEEDS TO COME BACK. THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. >> THAT'S HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT. >> THEY SAID IN THE OTHER THREE PLACES. THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING FOUND UNDER THE NEW APPLICATION, THEY SAID TO BRING IT BACK FOR THE PROCESSING BECAUSE THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS, AND IT WAS CHIP FROST SITTING IN THE SEAT I'M SITTING IN HERE, STATING THAT THESE WORDS THAT SAY MUST HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED. HE SAID THAT THERE WAS TWO ITEMS THAT WERE FOLLOWED AND FIVE THAT WEREN'T. WHEN THOSE FIVE ARE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THAT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER THREE WALLS. NOW, WE LOOKED THAT UP SOME OTHER TIME TO FIND OUT THE CORRECT WORDING THAT WAS SAID, BUT THAT WAS IN THE [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING] >> I CAN REVIEW THAT MEETING, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER RIGHT OFF TOP. >> I DON'T EITHER. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS, COME BACK AND APPLY THOSE THREE SIDES TO THE NEW RULES. BUT IF YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT A DIFFERENT WAY, I DON'T REMEMBER. >> I CAN REVIEW THE MEETING IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> PLEASE. >> KATIE AND I CAN MAKE YOU A DETERMINATION ON WHAT WAS CONVEYED. THEN IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THE QUESTION IS, DOES THIS SEE TO COME BACK TO PRAC UNDER THE NEW GUIDELINES, OR DOES PRAC WANT TO AGAIN, PUSH IT TO THE COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD UNDER THE OLD GUIDELINES, MEANING IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN. >> WITH THE PROCESSING DONE PROPERLY, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING. NOW, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. FIRST OF ALL, ON THIS APPLICATION, IT SAYS, ARTIST RESUME, ANNOTATED EXHIBITIONS LIST AND CD-ROM. I DON'T REMEMBER. CD-ROM IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T USED IN 20 YEARS. >> CAN YOU PLEASE DELINEATE WHAT PAGE YOU'RE LOOKING AT? >> WE ARE LOOKING AT THE VERY SECOND PAGE. AS SOON AS YOU TURN OVER, IT SAYS, THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS MUST BE PROVIDED AND COMPLETED APPLICATION FORM. NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE CONTENTION CHIP FROST HAD AT THAT MEETING, AND THEY ALMOST KICKED THE ENTIRE THING BACK, JUST LIKE YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP. IT WAS BECAUSE, HE SAID, [00:50:01] THERE WAS TWO ITEMS THAT WERE ON HERE, BUT FIVE THAT WEREN'T. NOW, AGAIN, THE WORD MUST CD-ROM. >> OR A HARD COPY OF IMAGES IN OTHER WORDS. >> CD-ROM PROBABLY COULD BE UPDATED TO A THUMB DRIVE. >> WELL, WE COULD TAKE THAT OUT. [OVERLAPPING] IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN APPLICATION THEN THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT. >> DIGITAL COPY.. >> ARE YOU RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW? >> ABSOLUTELY. YES. ANOTHER THING IS THAT WHEN THE FIRST APPLICATION THAT WAS FILLED OUT, IT WAS FILLED OUT BY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. IT WASN'T FILLED OUT BY AN INDIVIDUAL ARTIST. WE IDENTIFIED AN ARTIST AT THAT TIME FRAME THAT WE WOULD WANT TO USE, AND WHEN THE CONTRACT THAT WAS FILLED OUT BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE ARTIST, THERE WAS NOTHING IN THERE THAT SAID THAT FRIENDS OF FERNANDINA SKATEPARK WHO PUT IN THE APPLICATION IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THIS. IT'S ALL ON THE ARTISTS THAT WE CHOSE AT THAT TIME. >> HOW CAN A GROUP LIKE OURS, PUT IN APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS AND FIND OUR OWN ARTISTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE INSTEAD OF AN ARTIST FILLING THIS OUT? THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANTED TO FIND OUT BECAUSE I THOUGHT AND THIS IS THE CONTRACT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE ARTISTS AND NOWHERE IN THAT CONTRACT DID IT STATE ABOUT. >> THE NEW ONE, WE ADDED IN OWNERSHIP TYPE AND SO WE PUT THAT AN ORGANIZATION COULD OWN IT, SO THE ORGANIZATION WOULD FILL THIS OUT. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ARTIST APPLICANT AND I THINK THE WAY WE DISCUSSED IT AT THE LAST WORKSHOP WAS THAT THE ORGANIZATION AND THE ARTISTS WOULD NEED TO BE AT THE MEETING FOR APPROVAL. BUT THEN DEPENDING ON HOW THE APPLICATION IS FILLED OUT, IF IT'S STATING THAT THE ORGANIZATION, I MEAN, IT WOULD ALL BE IN THE APPLICATION FOR WHO IS GOING TO BE IN CHARGE OF IT IS THAT WE DID ADD IN HERE OR BECAUSE OF THAT. >> I SEE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE NEW OR THE OLD ONE. BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. >> PROBABLY WALLY'S POINT, MAYBE THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO LIST THE APPLICANT AND THE ARTIST SO THAT BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE AN EASY TRANSITION FOR TAMMY OR THE ATTORNEY TO TAKE WHAT'S LISTED HERE AND THAT IS WHO THE CONTRACT NOW IS WITH. SO THAT SHOULD JUST BE AN EASY, YOU'RE PUTTING OUT AN INCONSISTENCY OF HOW THE APPLICATION WAS AND THEN HOW THE CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN, THAT THEY'RE NOT THE APPROPRIATE. BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE ARTIST NAME APPLICANT NAME, AND IF IT'S THE SAME PERSON, THEY WOULD JUST WRITE IT TWICE. >> SO I THINK MEMBER KOKI HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, SO I BELIEVE THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS. WALLY, JUST TO CONFIRM YOU WANT CD ROM OFF OF HERE IS THAT? >> WELL, I JUST THINK, WE COULD WE COULD PUT SOMETHING OUT. WE COULD PUT IT ON THE DRIVE. >> KATIE AND I WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. SECONDLY, I THINK THE QUESTION IS WHY WAS THE CONTRACT WITH THE ARTIST AND NOT FRIENDS OF FERNANDINA BEACH SKATE PARK, AM I CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY, SO I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS BECAUSE IT WAS A MURAL. TECHNICALLY, THE ARTIST IS, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR TAMMY, BUT I BELIEVE HE IS THE ARTIST. HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR A MURAL. >> WE SUPPLIED THE PAINT THAT IN THE APPLICATION AND PART OF THE MUSING IS THAT THEY WOULD SUPPLY ALL THAT. WE SUPPLIED IT, OUR ORGANIZATION SUPPLIED IT. >> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WALLY, HE JUST DID HIS TIME. IT'S THE ARTIST'S RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE HE'S THE PERSON THAT PUT THE ART UP AND NOT THE ORGANIZATION. >> SO I THINK THAT'S A CLARIFYING QUESTION THAT I CAN ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY. >> I SIT AS THE ARTIST AND FADA BEACH. SO THAT YOU'RE NOT SAYING BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND PAINT IT, RIGHT? YOU'RE GOING TO NEED HIM TO TOUCH IT UP BECAUSE HE'S. >> ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. SO I THINK LISTED AS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY AS AN AUNT. >> THEY WOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE NEURAL AND SAY, OKAY, YOU NEED TO GO OUT AND TOUCH IT UP AND MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE IF THAT'S THE ORGANIZATION. >> PLUS IN THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY AND OUR ARTIST. I SAID TWO YEARS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE GRANDFATHER PART OF THE OLD APPLICATION. [00:55:04] IT SAYS TWO YEARS AFTER TWO YEARS, HE'S SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN IT UP TO TWO YEARS, AND HE DIDN'T THEY WEREN'T SPECIFIC ON FRIENDS OF FERNDIN SKATE PARK MAINTAINING. THEY WERE SPECIFIC ON HIM MAINTAINING IT FOR TWO YEARS. THE APPLICATION WAS A PERMANENT ART PIECE. I GUESS IT WOULD FALL UNDER THAT LONG-TERM INSTALLATION UP TO FIVE YEARS IN THIS NEW APPLICATION. WOULD GO UNDER MURAL, UP TO ONE YEAR? IS THAT THAT'S GREAT? >> THAT IS THAT IT WOULD COME TO AND I THINK THAT WAS THE MEETING YOU WERE AT, IS THAT IT WOULD COME UP FOR REVIEW. SO WE SAY, OH, IT'S BEEN A YEAR. EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. IT CAN RENEW. BUT IT COMES UP FOR REVIEW. SO IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT STARTS TO DETERIORATE, WE CAN SAY, LISTEN, THAT GUY'S NOT TAKING CARE OF THIS OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? DOES IT NEED TO BE DONE OVER? WHAT HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION. BUT THIS ALLOWS IT TO HAVE A PERIODIC REVIEW ON A REGULAR CADENCE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE NOT FALLING APART. >> HOW WOULD WE THEN WORK IT WITH THE WITH WHAT'S UP RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE IN THE CONTRACT, IT SHOWS TWO YEARS. >> I THINK THAT'S GRANDFATHERED IN. >> HONESTLY, THE WAY YEARS WAS APPROVED, WALLY, IS IT WAS PERMANENT, AND THAT FRIENDS OF FERNANDINA BEACH SKATE PARK WAS GOING TO MAINTAIN IT. SO IT WAS GRANDFATHERED IN AS PERMANENT AS PERMANENT IN THE OLD SYSTEM. I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT SEE THAT CONTRACT BEFORE IT WAS SIGNED BY YOU. SO IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE READ PERMANENTLY. >> IT WASN'T SIGNED BY ME. IT WAS SOLELY SIGNED BY THE ARTIST. OKAY. THEY DIDN'T CALL FRIENDS OFFER SKATE PARK IN AT ALL. OUR JOB WAS TO BECAUSE ON HERE, IT'S ALSO STATED THAT HE WOULD NOT DRIVE ON THE PUT HIS CAR IN THE GRASSY AREA, AND THERE WAS 50 CARS OUT THERE FOR THE RIGHT WELL FESTIVAL ON THAT GRASS AREA THAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT, AND OUR ARTIST COULD NOT BRING HIS TRUCK ONTO THAT GRASSY AREA TO PAINT. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WHATSEVER IN THE CONTRACT, SOMEHOW, REGARDLESS OF ITS THIS MURAL OR NOT, THE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE IN THIS, BECAUSE I THINK YOU SAID IT WAS LIKE A POSTER PIECE THAT IS PROBABLY THROUGHOUT ALL CITIES. THAT SOMEHOW IN THIS APPLICATION, THERE HAS TO BE SOME IN HERE THAT SAYS THAT YOU WILL BE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND ALL THESE ARTIST RESPONSIBILITY, WARRANTIES, AND REPRESENTATION. NOTHING IN HERE STATES IN THIS APPLICATION. >> I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE SECOND. NOBODY HAS SEEN THAT DOCUMENT. I UNDERSTAND. >> THIS WAS SECOND OF ALL RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS. WE'RE BASING EVERYTHING ON THE FUTURE. THAT, I BELIEVE, IF I'M RIGHT, SCOTT, WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, ARE WE APPROVING THIS AS THE NEW STANDARD. THAT WAS ALL FOR THAT PARTICULAR MURAL. >> ONCE AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO PROCESS. THIS IS A NEW PROCESS. I THINK IF I'M READING WALLY CORRECTLY IS THAT THE CONTRACT AS THE APPLICATION IS WRITTEN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS WITH WHAT CONTRACT IS IT'S SET UP SO THEN THAT THE CONTRACT MEETS WHAT THIS STIPULATION SAYS IN THIS APPLICATION PROCESS. SO IF IT'S A CONTRACT FOR TEMPORARY INSULATION, AND THAT'S FOR ONE YEAR, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONTRACT SAYS ONE YEAR, NOT FIVE YEARS. IN THAT INSTANCE, I BELIEVE, WHAT WALLY IS STATING IS THAT WHAT WAS GRANDFATHERED OR WHAT WAS SENT THROUGH WAS IT WAS PERMANENT. THEN THE CONTRACT SAYS TWO YEARS, I BELIEVE, AM I CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS THAT SOMEONE ELSE FILES AN APPLICATION FOR A PIECE OF ART, AND THEY ARE THEN THROWN BACK AT THIS CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND BECAUSE OUR ARTIST WAS THROWN BACK. HE SAYS, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THIS WAS A FIVE-PAGE CONTRACT THAT I HAD TO SIGN, AND THAT I HAD TO HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT HAVING TO GET THIS DONE IN THE TIME FRAME THAT WAS IN THIS CONTRACT. [01:00:01] SOMEHOW SOME WAY, ANYBODY WHO FILLS OUT IN THE NEW APPLICATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF HAVING TO DO WHATEVER ARTWORK THAT THEY DID AND FOLLOW THIS CONTRACT THAT HE HAS TO SIGN BETWEEN HIM AND THE CITY. >> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING TO DO THE OTHER THREE SIDES OF THE SKATE CHECK, IS THAT MAYBE AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE HAVE THIS PROCESS PERFECTED, MAYBE YOU ASKED TO RENEGOTIATE THAT SPECIFIC CONTRACT FOR THAT SIDE SO THAT YOU CAN GET IT CONSISTENT FOR ALL OF THE SKATE CHECK. SO YOU'RE WORKING UNDER ONE SET OF RULES. I'M SURE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD BE WILLING TO RENEGOTIATE. THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN BE OPERATING DON'T WANT TO HAVE ONE CRAZY SET OF RULES FOR ONE SIDE OF THIS GAPE SHACK AND THEN THREE DIFFERENT THING. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST CRAZY TOWN. BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MAYBE REVISIT THAT TO GET THAT RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO TAKE THIS PROCESS SLOW TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MATCHING IT UP WITH WHAT THE CONTRACT SAY SO THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART IS MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET THE APPLICATION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO ALL ARTISTS IN OUR CITY OR I GUESS, CAN IT BE SOMEBODY OUT OF OUR CITY? >> YES. >> THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT, FIVE PAVED CONTRACT, MAYBE MIGHT BE EVEN MORE. DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF ART THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. SO I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM THAT PRESSURE THAT OUR ARTIST HAD TO FEEL. I MEAN, HE WAS SWEATING. HE WAS REALLY AND HE WAS REAL NERVOUS. HE SAYS, LISTEN, I KNOW YOU WANTED TO WAIT TO GET PAINT IN A COUPLE MORE DAYS. BUT CAN WE GET THE PAINT NOW BECAUSE I WANT TO START IT NOW? I'M FEELING THIS PRESSURE, AND THAT IS UNDUE PRESSURE FROM THIS CONTRACT THAT I HAD TO SIGN. IT SAYS I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD TO SIGN A CONTRACT. HE SHOWED ME THE CONTRACT. I MADE COPIES OF IT AND READ IT, AND REALLY THOUGHT TO MYSELF THAT ANY APPLICATION THAT'S FILLED OUT SOMEHOW SOME WAY HAS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OR WRITE WRITTEN IN HERE THAT YOU WILL BE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THAT. >> YEAH, I CAN'T REMEMBER RIGHT OFF TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, WE SHOULD ADD SOME VERBIAGE THAT IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THERE WILL BE A CONTRACT THAT WILL NEED TO BE SIGNED. >> THEY'RE GOING TO BE RE-REVIEWING THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES ALONG WITH ALL OF THIS TERMINOLOGY. LIKE THE NEW APPLICATION WITH WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S ON PAGE 4 AT THE BOTTOM, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SAY A CONTRACT IN THERE, BUT I MEAN, MAYBE WE DO NEED TO SAY IT, BUT I WOULD READ IF I WAS READING IT ON MY OWN, I WOULD THINK, YEAH, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN SOMETHING AND AGREE. >> IS THERE A WAY TO, LIKE, I MEAN, YOU GO ONLINE AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU COULD FIND THIS APPLICATION? IS THERE A WAY TO ALSO HAVE A LINK TO, LIKE, A GENERIC COPY OF THE CONTRACT. TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF IT WOULD BE THE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO DROP IN. THIS TYPE OF ART IS A MURAL, OR COULD SHE HAVE A GENERIC ONE THAT JUST HAS BLANKS THAT SHE AND THEN PUT LIKE AN ASTERISK THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, EACH CONTRACT WILL CHANGE, BUT THAT WAY, THEY KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WOULD BE IN IT. THEY'RE NOT SIGNING THAT ONE, BUT HERE'S A SAMPLE CONTRACT THAT'S. >> WE CAN ASK HER TO DO THAT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. I DO BELIEVE THAT ONCE WE GET THIS APPLICATION THAT POSSES THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS, AND TAMMY GIVES US HER DIRECTION OR MISS LOCK. AN ORDINANCE IS CHANGED, THEN A CONTRACT WILL BE WRITTEN, AND WE CAN AT THE END, PUT IT IN A PACKAGE AND PRESENT IT ONE LAST TIME. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL THAT WAY. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, YOU CAN WHEREVER THIS LIT IS RIGHT UNDERNEATH IT OR SOMETHING, OR MAYBE THERE'S WHAT ON HERE THAT THE WEBSITES INCLUDED WHERE THEY CAN FIND IT OR SOMETHING, THAT WAY THEY CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE. THEN I KNOW THERE WOULD BE DIFFERENT THINGS FOR EVERY APPLICATION, BUT IT SEE THAT. >> TO PUT A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO IT, THIS PROCESS WILL BE FOLLOWED VERY SIMILARLY. AS FAR AS STAFF, THE WAY STAFF HANDLES IT, THE SAME WAY WE HANDLE OUR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. WE'RE GOING TO TRACK EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH. EVERY APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED. WE'VE WORKED THAT OUT. IT'LL DO THE SAME THING. WE'LL HAVE AN EXCEL SHEET THAT BRINGS US EVERY TIME. SOMEONE'S ARTWORK IS COMING UP OR THEIR CONTRACTS COMING OUT OF DATE. SO WE'LL HAVE A STAFF PERSON THAT'S HEAVILY OVERSEEING THIS CONSTANTLY, AND IT'LL BE THE SAME WITH MAKING SURE APPLICATIONS HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED BEFORE THEY MOVE ON. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I DON'T RECALL US ASKING, [01:05:02] AND I'M NOT SURE I DIDN'T THINK OF IT BEFORE, IF AN ARTIST IS RESPONSIBLE, LET'S SAY IT'S A STATUE OR SOMETHING, AND DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE, LIKE THEIR OWN INSURANCE, THE CITY INSURED AT? >> WHAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN. DID WE COVER THAT BEFORE? >> I DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT. I'M JUST THINKING IF SOMETHING LIKE TOPPLED OVER, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S OWNED, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD IMAGINE IF IT'S SITTING ON CITY PROPERTY AND WE'VE AUTHORIZED SOMETHING THAT FALLS UNDER OUR RESPONSIBILITY UNDER GENERAL LIABILITY. I WOULD SAY. >> IN THE CONTRACT. >> IS THAT IN THERE? >> IT DOES STATE SOMETHING IN THERE, BUT IT'S THE ARTISTS RESPONSIBILITY. >> TO CARRY THEIR OWN INSURANCE? >> NO. THAT THEY ARE SIGNING OFF THAT I CAN'T SEE IT RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW WHY I DON'T WANT GLASSES. I REMEMBER READING IT IN HERE ABOUT IT SAYS HERE, COMPENSATION THE SHITTY SHALL PAY THE ARTIST A TOTAL AMOUNT OF NOTE NOT TO EXCEED $0, INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR OWNERSHIP, AND ARTWORK WAIVER AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I READ IT. BUT I HAD TOLD HIM THAT FRIENDS OF HERD SKATE PARK, WE HAVE $1,000,000 INSURANCE ANYTIME THAT WE DO A PROJECT. >> JUST ANY ARTISTS, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO. >> WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION. >> I WOULD THINK THAT IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AND MAYBE IT IS COVERED IN TAMMY'S CONTRACT, BUT WE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION AND RECOMMEND IT TO GET TO THE CONTRACT. >> SCOTT, DO THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT? >> SO DEPENDING ON AMERAL, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO GET A PERMIT, DEPENDING STRUCTURALLY. THE GUY WHO DID THE TEMPORARY ARTWORK, KATIE, AM I CORRECT? THAT HE DIDN'T HE GET HE GOT A CITY PERMIT. >> IT SAYS HERE THAT TEMPORARY ARTISTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY NECESSARY PERMIT. >> IT SAYS INDEMNIFICATION. ARTISTS SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DAMAGE TO PERSONS OR PROPERTY THAT OCCURS AS A RESULT OF THE ARTIST'S FAULT OR NEGLIGENCE. ARTISTS HEREBY AGREE TO DEFEND, INDEMNIFY, AND HOLD HARMLESS CITY AND ITS AGENTS, EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. ARTIST HEREBY AGREES TO DEFEND INDEMNITY, IDENTITY, AND HOLD HARMLESS CITY AND ITS AGENTS, EMPLOYEES, AND THE ELECTED OFFICIAL FOR ANY AND ALL LOOSE CLAIMS, SUITS, ACTION, AND LIABILITIES, INCLUDING ALL LITIGATION COSTS, WHICH MAY ARISE FROM ANY ACT OF OMISSION OF ART DURING THE PERFORMANCE OF THE WORK RELATED TO THIS AGREEMENT. IT CONTINUES. >> THAT'S NOT ADMISSIBLE. >> NO, IT IS NOT. THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE ARTIST. >> ARE YOU QUESTIONING THE CONTRACT OR? >> WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT JUST LIKE HER BRINGING UP THAT IT SHOULD BE SOME LINK TO WHERE SOMEONE COULD READ THIS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING INTO. >> I MADE A NOTE. I WAS A PROBABLY PROFESSOR CITY ATTORNEY IF SHE CAN CREATE A CONTRACT THAT'S HAS FLANKS TO FILL IN THAT ANYONE CAN ACCESS JUST LIKE WE DO FOR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTS. SO I DID MAKE A NOTE. IF YOU'D LIKE, I WOULD LOVE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE FOR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING OFF OF THAT. >> SO IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THAT THIS WAS TAKEN OFF OF MAYBE SOME OTHER CITY WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH, BUT THE WORD ARTIST IS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING. DOESN'T SAY ORGANIZATION, BUT THE WORD ARTIST IS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE AGREEMENT. >> THAT NEED TO BE OWNER SOMETHING. >> I MEAN, I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT, IF YOU HAVE ISSUES CONCERNING THAT CONTRACT IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT, WE COULD SET UP A MEETING WITH TAMMY AND THE ARTIST AND YOUR ORGANIZATION JUST TO EXPLAIN IT AND GO THROUGH IT, SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE CONTRACT. WHAT I HAVE ISSUE IS WITH THE APPLICATION THAT DOESN'T IDENTIFY THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO FILL OUT. >> SO WHAT I HAVE DONE IS I ADDED A NOTE ON MINE FOR THE APPLICATION THAT WE SHOULD PUT A REFERENCE TO THAT THERE WILL BE A CONTRACT BETWEEN THAT WILL FOLLOW UP AFTER THE APPROVAL PROCESS IT'S APPROVED, THAT YOU WILL BE SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. THEN I ALSO GOT OUT OF IT, [01:10:02] THAT IS THERE, LIKE, A BOILER PLATE CONTRACT THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY SEE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY YES OR NO TO THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD I NEED TO TALK TO MISS BACH. BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I GOT OUT OF THAT. >> YES. EXACTLY. A BOILERPLATE ARTIST REPRESENTATION, WARRANTIES, AND RESPONSIBILITY. ANYWAY, SO THE ONLY THING I THINK IN THE WORD THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS MUST BE PROVIDED WITH THE COMPLETED APPLICATION FORM, SCALE MODEL OF PROPOSED CULTURAL WORK, STRONGLY RECOMMENDED. SO THE WORD STRONGLY AND THE WORD RECOMMENDED. I SHOULD TAKE THAT WORD STRONGLY RECOMMENDED OUT SINCE THE WORD MUST IS AT THE TOP AND IT IS CAPITALIZED. >> WELL, IT'S SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ILLUSTRATIVE AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWING OF THE PROPOSED WORK. THEN IT'S SAYING A SCALE MODEL OF THE PROPOSED WORK IS RECOMMENDED. I THINK IT'S SAYING THAT'S RECOMMENDED FOR THE ILLUSTRATIVE OR CONSTRUCTIVE DRAWING. THEY'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE SCALE MODEL BE THE ILLUSTRATIVE OR CONSTRUCTED DRAWING. >> BUT THAT ALSO SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE SOMETHING STRUCTURAL AND NOT LIKE A PAINTING. LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BUILT. >> I DON'T THINK THAT WAY I LOOKED AT IT, IT WASN'T FOR A MUR OIL. IT WAS MORE LIKE FOR A STATUE. >> I'M JUST SAYING THE WORDING PERIOD. YEAH, JUST THE WORDING PERIOD. IF WE HAVE A WORD MUST AT THE TOP, THERE SHOULD NEVER BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS RECOMMENDED. >> BUT IT IS, LIKE MEMBER MOUNT JOY SAID, IT'S REFERENCING BACK TO STRONGLY RECOMMENDED THAT THE ILLUSTRATIVE AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS OF THE SCALE MODEL IS STRONGLY. >> YOU MUST HAVE AN ILLUSTRATIVE RECONSTRUCTIVE. BUT IT AND THEN IT'S SAYING THEY RECOMMEND IT TO BE A SCALE MODEL? >> YES. >> I SEE. MY FAULT. I'M SORRY. I READ IT WRONG. ARTIST RESUME, WHEN IT COMES TO ARTISTS WHO ARE SELF-TAUGHT ARTISTS, WHAT TYPE OF RESUME ARE WE LOOKING FOR A SELF-TAUGHT ARTIST? >> I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT IS JUST, LIKE, IF YOU'RE DOING PAINTINGS, YOU HAVE A PICTURE, A J PEG OF A PICTURE AND YOU EXPLAIN WHERE THAT IS AND WHERE IT CAN BE SEEN AND YOU KNOW I THINK ACRYLIC OR WHATEVER THAT IT JUST DESCRIBES THE ART THAT YOU'VE CREATED. >> YEAH, I THINK YOU COULD JUST SAY, LIKE, I DO WATERCOLOR, I'VE DONE IT FOR 15 YEARS, AND HERE'S WHERE I'VE DONE IT. >> IS THERE ANY LEEWAY FOR SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST LEARNING? IS THAT SOMEBODY WHO WILL BE REJECTED AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ANNOTATED EXHIBITION LIST. RIGHT AFTER THE ARTIST RESUME, AND EXHIBITION LIST. HOW IS IT? IS THAT A SELF-TAUGHT ARTIST WHO DOESN'T HAVE THIS INFORMATION? >> DO YOU GUYS WANT TO REVISIT THIS DO YOU GUYS WANT TO REVISIT THE APPLICATION? WE DID HAVE WE HAD TWO WORKSHOPS, AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THE GOAL OF THE WORKSHOPS, THE TWO WORKSHOPS, WAS TO GO THROUGH THIS AND GET KIND OF WEED ALL THAT STUFF OUT. AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE'S QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS, WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE. WE CAN KEEP DOING THIS, OR IS IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME CONCERNS. >> CAN I JUST SAY I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, WALLY, AND LIKE THAT SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS OR THE REQUEST TO SHOW US WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. SEEMS LIKE IT'S GEARED TOWARDS, LIKE A PROFESSIONAL LIKE SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT AND LISTEN, THE WATERFRONT PARK DOWN THERE, LIKE IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR ART FOR THAT, THAT PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE SOME COMMISSIONED PIECE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND SPECIAL. BUT I THINK THAT IT LEAVES ROOM TO FOR JUDGMENT. YOUR ART MAY NOT HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS. YOUR ART MAY ONLY APPLY TO LIKE TWO OR THREE OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE STRONGLY RECOMMENDED. I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE THE JUDGMENT COMES IN FOR PEOPLE LIKE THE RICHARDS GROUP TO LOOK AT THIS AND SAY BECAUSE IT COULD BE SOMEBODY WHO'S JUST STARTING OUT AND THEY SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO JUST ON A LARGER SCALE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. RIGHT WHERE THOSE JUDGMENTS COME IN. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS EXPECTING THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IS GOING TO BE SOME WORLD-RENOWNED NOTED ARTIST, [01:15:03] AND THAT I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TOO IS TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL TO OFFER. THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE 19 OF 19. >> IF THEY DON'T HAVE THEM, I THINK THEY LIST THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THEM, BUT HERE IS WHAT I HAVE, AND HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. GOING BACK TO THE GRANDFATHERED-IN APPLICATION, THAT WORD MUST WAS LITERAL BY THE COMMISSIONER. THIS APPLICATION THAT WAS FILLED OUT WAS FILLED OUT EXACTLY LIKE YOU ARE STATING. I ONLY KNEW THAT THE ARTIST I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE HAD ANY ANNOTATED EXHIBITIONS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE HAD A CD-ROM OR IF HE HAD A RESUME. ALL I KNOW IS THAT HE HAS ART AROUND OUR CITY. >> I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT THAT'S ASKING FOR IS FOR YOU TO SHOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE. >> BUT I'M SAYING IT WAS REJECTED BY OUR CITY COMMISSION BECAUSE OF FIVE THINGS THAT WEREN'T ON THAT MUST PART ON THAT APPLICATION. HE SAT HERE AND SAYS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO NOT ACCEPT THIS BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS? THEY'RE MISSING FIVE ITEMS. >> COULD BRYAN HAVE PROVIDED THOSE? >> AGAIN, HE MADE THAT CONTRACT. SO THAT CONTRACT OBVIOUSLY THEY AGREED ON SOMETHING. >> THAT WAS AFTER. >> WALLY WHEN HE WAS THERE, THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT HIS RESUME AND HE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. BUT HE SAID, I'VE DONE THIS, THIS, AND THIS. IT WAS ACCEPTED. THAT'S HOW THE WHOLE THING WASN'T ACCEPTED. ONE PART OF THE APPLICATION WAS ACCEPTED. ONE MURAL WAS ACCEPTED. SO IT WAS REJECTED FOR THE OTHER THREE AREAS. >> MEET ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS, AND IT GETS TO THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION COULD STILL VOTE NO. THE WAY THAT I SEE THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE THE PROCESS OF WHERE IT GOES. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE RULES THAT PEOPLE ARE OPERATING IN. BUT THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION EXISTS. THAT'S WHY OUR BOARD EXISTS TOO IS TO BE ABLE TO PUT JUDGMENT INTO THE APPLICATION OF THOSE THINGS. ANY COMMISSIONER, WHEN IT GETS TO A COMMISSIONER, THEY COULD JUST SAY, NO, JUST BECAUSE THEY PLAIN WANTED TO. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT THAT'S ALWAYS THE REALITY. I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE PROVIDING THINGS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FIVE THINGS, WELL, THERE'S NOT A SCALED THERE'S NOT A SCALED MODEL TO DO BECAUSE THIS IS A MURAL. OR THERE'S NOT A SCALE MODEL BECAUSE I CAN'T MAKE A LIFE-SIZE SPIDERMAN. I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER THE THING IS. THEY CAN LOOK AT THAT AND USE THEIR JUDGMENT ABOUT HOW TO APPLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. EACH OF THESE ART THINGS, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING HOW THIS ALL FOLDS OUT BECAUSE THE PLACES THAT WE DETERMINE THAT ART CAN GO, THAT'S A VARIABLE. THEN THE ART THAT'S GOING TO COME TO US, THAT'S ANOTHER VARIABLE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PIN DOWN AS MANY THINGS AS WE CAN TO IDENTIFY IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE EACH APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE. IS THAT FAIR? >> THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. >> I AGREE. EVERY APPLICATION WILL BE UNIQUE. >> WE'LL GET THESE APPLICATIONS, THEY'LL HAVE GONE TO NASA BEAUTIFUL I CAN'T REMEMBER. THEY'LL HAVE GOTTEN THAT AND THEN COME BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE COMMISSION. SO IF THEY COME BACK WITH THIS AND WE SAY, BUT ON THIS APPLICATION, LIKE, WE COULD SAY, BUT THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ONE OF THESE BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED IT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO BEFORE WE PRESENT THIS TO THE COMMISSION. >> RIGHT. WHERE WE CAN MAKE OUR REFERRAL TO THE COMMISSION IS THERE'S THESE NINE THINGS. THEY'VE MET THESE, AND WE THINK THAT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE BLAH AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO I THINK IN YOUR SITUATION, I THINK HAD WE SLOWED I KNOW YOU WANTED TO GET THAT DONE, BUT I THINK HAD WE SLOWED THAT DOWN AND GOTTEN THIS DONE, WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN ALL FOUR OF THOSE THROUGH THE COMMISSION WITHOUT THE STOPPAGE THAT WE MET. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YES, IT DOES. IT WAS APPROVED FOR ONE SIDE. IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE WORD BEING ON THERE. SO HE PROBABLY MUST HAVE SHOWN THEM SOMETHING IN ORDER TO GET IT APPROVED. THAT'S WHY THE APPLICATION THAT IS IN Q OR IF IT IS IN Q, [01:20:04] ARE WE SAYING THAT THE APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED, IS THAT IN Q? >> YES. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS GO BACK AND WATCH THE COMMISSION MEETING ON THAT PART AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE I CAN'T ANSWER THAT OFF TOP OF MY HEAD. IN THE QUESTION REGARDING THAT IS ARE THEY GOING TO GO THROUGH I BELIEVE THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NEW PROCESS? WITH THE THREE ADDITIONAL WALLS. OR IS PRATT GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND RECOMMEND THAT TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE THREE WALLS? SO I'M GOING TO REVIEW THAT AND REPORT BACK TO YOU. >> LET ME JUST REMIND YOU THAT THAT'S ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF WE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WHEN IT GOT TO THEM, THEY BACKED IT UP. SO AGAIN, AND THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. >> THEY BACKED IT UP FOR THE PROCESSING. >> BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT WE WERE IN THE PROCESS, AND CHANGED THE PROCESS. >> EXACTLY. BECAUSE THE APPLICATION WAS FILLED OUT IN MAY OF LAST MAY OF THIS YEAR? >> YEAH. SO JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS WHOLE PROCESS WAS DONE AND COMPLETED THROUGH ARTS AND CULTURE, NASA. ARTS AND CULTURE, NASA WAS SUNSETTED. DURING THAT TIME, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHEN WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION. SO THE APPLICATION SAT. IT DID SIT FOR A WHILE. BECAUSE IT WAS ARTS AND CULTURE WAS BEING SUNSETTED, AND WE WERE REDOING THE ORDINANCE ON THE PROCESS ON HOW IT WAS GOING TO GO. SO ONCE THAT GOT DONE, IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU. THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROCESS. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND SETTING UP THE PROCESS THAT PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS OKAY WITH US MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE SETTING UP A NEW PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THE APPLICATION TOOK SO LONG BECAUSE IT WAS RECEIVED RIGHT WHEN ARTS AND CULTURE NASSAU WAS SUNSETTED. >> THEN WE MOVED IT ALONG. IT'S AS A COURTESY BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN SITTING THERE. >> YES. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THESE BECAUSE OF IT BEING KICKED AWAY AND THE WORDS THAT CHIP ROSS WERE SAYING BECAUSE OF THE ITEMS THAT WEREN'T PRESENTED. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO BRING UP ABOUT WHAT HE HAD BROUGHT UP. THAT WHOLE WORD MUST IS WHAT HE KEPT ON BRINGING UP. IF IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT BECAUSE HE SAID IT'S CAPITALIZED, IT SAYS THE WORD MUST. THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT THIS MUST IS FOLLOWED THROUGH AND THAT WE EITHER MAKE SURE THAT EVERY ONE OF THESE ITEMS ON HERE ARE EXACTLY HOW IT SHOULD BE. >> WE SEND A RECOMMENDATION AND SAY, WELL, THIS WAS NOT COMPLETED, BUT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE I AGREE WITH THAT. THE APPLICATION NOT HAVING WHATEVER. SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, THAT'S FINE. HE DIDN'T HAVE SIX PAGES OF RESUME, BUT WE KNOW FROM THIS AND THIS AND THIS. WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. >> SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION OR ARE YOU DECIDE? >> I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS. >> GO AHEAD. >> UNDER THE CRITERIA, I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER ART AND PUBLIC SPACES, AND I THINK THE WORST COULD BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY OFFENSIVE. > WE WANT TO NOT HAVE THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY OFFENSIVE AND MAYBE SAY THAT RIGHT UP FRONT. >> I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS COVERED. >> I LOOKED AND I DIDN'T SEE. >> THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT SAID THAT IT COULD BE. >> I READ TWO OR THREE OTHERS. >> I MEAN OFFENSIVE OBJECTIVE, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SECTION IN THERE THAT TALKED ABOUT I DON'T REMEMBER. >> REJECTING IT FOR ANY REASON. >> MEMBER PEARLSTINE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY WHAT YOU HAD RECOMMENDED? COULD YOU READ THAT? >> ALL I JUST PUT DOWN SOME THOUGHTS, AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INDICATE THAT WE DON'T WANT, LET THE ARTIST KNOW, WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING [01:25:02] THAT'S GOING TO BE OFFENSIVE EITHER TO A PORTION OF OUR COMMUNITY OR TO OUR CHILDREN OR WHATEVER. AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD SAY UPFRONT. AND MISS BACH MAY GO THROUGH THIS. I THINK COPYRIGHT ISSUES, LOGOS, THINGS THAT WOULD PROMOTE THE ARTIST BEYOND WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT TO PROMOTE THE CITY AND GIVE THE ARTIST CREDIT, BUT NOT PROMOTE A COMPANY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING SHE CAN DECIDE. THOSE WERE SOME THINGS. >> IS IN THAT IN THIS CONTRACT. SO WHAT YOU STATED SHE DID CLEARLY WRITE THAT OUT? >> THAT PREVIOUS ONE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SHE PUT IN THERE THAT NO THAT HE CAN'T HAVE LIKE THE WHALE. IT COULDN'T BE A WHALE THAT WAS SHAMOO OR SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. >> THAT MIGHT BE TRUE. >> BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CONTRACT. AND THAT WAS PROBABLY PART OF THIS THING. ANOTHER THING IS THAT YOU LOSE THE RIGHTS. HE HAS NO RIGHTS TO THAT. IT ALL BELONGS TO THE CAN'T MONETIZE IT. YOU CANNOT MONETIZE IT. THAT'S CORRECT. IT BELONGS TO THE CITY. THE CITY. OKAY. >> SO THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE DOCUMENT. I DIDN'T SEE. >> WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CONTRACT THAT HOPEFULLY LIKE YOU SAID, THE BOARDER. >> DO WE WANT TO ALSO ENCOURAGE LOCAL ARTISTS? IS THERE A WAY WE CAN WORD IT TO WHERE WE'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE OUR LOCAL ARTISTS? >> I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND JUST DOING PROMOTION. LIKE, WE HAVE A LOT OF LIKE FOR FACEBOOK AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE CAN BE PROMOTING PROGRAMS TO ENCOURAGE AND ESPECIALLY ONCE WE IDENTIFY A LIST OF POTENTIAL PLACES THAT MIGHT BE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS SET UP FIRST. AND THEN WE PROMOTE IT. >> WELL, IF SOMEBODY COMES, SAY FROM SAN DIEGO, AND GOES THROUGH ALL THESE AND IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE, FILLS OUT ALL THE THINGS EXACTLY RIGHT. AND WE SAY, WELL, YOU'RE FROM SAN DIEGO. WHY? AND CAN THEY SAY, WELL, BUT I DID IT ALL RIGHT? >> YOU HAVE TO I THINK WE CAN TAKE OUT FOR THE PLACES. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? YOU THINK WHAT? YOU DON'T PLACE. >> YEAH, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE PUBLIC ARTISTS LOCAL ARTISTS. >> I THINK WE CAN ENCOURAGE LOCAL ARTISTS, BUT I THINK ANY APPLICATION THAT WE GET, WE REVIEW IT, AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> OKAY. YEAH. >> AND JUST HERE ON PAGE 3, UNDER THE GENERAL CRITERIA, LETTER D, IT SAYS, CHARACTER, ARTWORKS MUST BE APPROPRIATE IN SCALE, MEDIA STYLE, AND CONTENT TO THE PROJECT AND ENVIRONMENTAL. SO APPROPRIATE CONTENT, I THINK AGAIN, ART IS SUBJECTIVE. I DON'T THINK WITH BETWEEN ALL OF THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, THAT SOMETHING, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALL THOSE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE. I THINK. SO TO ME, THAT COVERS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED OBSCENE. WE HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS, I THINK CHARTER, AND THE CHARTER LISTING WHAT OBSCENITY IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE ARE OTHER RULES THAT WOULD SUPERSEDE THIS. >> I READ THE SAME LINE AND I WAS THINKING. AND THERE'S 20 PEOPLE GOING TO SEE ANY OF THIS BEFORE IT EVEN GOES TO THE COMMISSION. SO I THINK ANY OF US WOULD PROBABLY SOMEBODY SO GET. >> THIS IS CULTURE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ART. WHAT IS THE CULTURAL PART WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR US? WHEN WE SAY THAT, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, I MEAN CULTURE. >> ONE CULTURAL THING COULD BE THE HISPANIC FOOD FESTIVAL, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR. >> STUFF LIKE THAT. >> WOULD AN APPLICATION BE REQUIRED FOR SOMETHING CULTURAL? >> WELL, SO IT ALL IT ALL DEPENDS. LIKE, COULD THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PROCESS, IF IT'S AN EVENT. I CAN'T THINK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD A CULTURAL ITEM THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THIS APPLICATION UNLESS I'M JUST MISSING IT. >> AND WE'RE NOT ARTS AND CULTURE OR MARKS AND REGULAR? >> THAT WAS THE NAME OF CULTURE. WASN'T THAT THE NAME OF THE. >> ASSUMED WHAT DID WE WHAT DID WE TAKE ON? >> WE TOOK ON THE PUBLIC ART APPLICATIONS. >> THAT IS THE ARTS AND CULTURAL BOARD THAT SUNSET. >> YEAH. ARTS AND CULTURE NASA WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUBLIC ART INSTALLATION. CRACK TOOK ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY. [01:30:01] OKAY. THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT ORGANIZATION AFTER IT SUNSETTED. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP REGARDING THIS, OR ARE YOU COMFORTABLE ME MOVING IT FORWARD? >> IF YOU'RE MOVING IT FORWARD, ARE YOU MAKING ANY DELETIONS, LIKE THE CD OR. >> YES. >> SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADD ON AS FAR AS A MOTION THAT WE WOULD SAY THAT, OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS AUTOMATIC? >> SO REMEMBER, THIS WILL COME BACK TO YOU BEFORE IT GOES, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS REMOVING THAT CD ROM, THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. IS THERE A BOILERPLATE CONTRACT THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO REVIEW? DOES THE CONTRACT FIT EXACTLY RELATE TO WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE APPLICATION? QUESTIONS AND YOU ALSO WANTED TO HAVE IN THIS CONTRACT OR I'M SORRY, THIS APPLICATION, YOU WANTED SOME REFERENCE TO AN APP TO A CONTRACT THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SIGNED IF APPROVED. SO YOU WANTED THEM TO BE AWARE OF THAT. SO THOSE ADDITIONS WOULD BE IN THERE. AND THEN THERE ALSO WAS A QUESTION REGARDING INSURANCE. SO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SO MAYBE IN THIS APPLICATION PROCESS, TOWARDS THE BACK OF IT, COULD BE ITEMS IF APPROVED, THESE ITEMS WILL BE WORKED LIKE WILL BE REQUIRED AS WELL TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROCESS. SO THE APPLICANT IS AWARE THAT THIS IS COMING. >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE WAY TO PROCEED WITH THIS. SO I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION PENDING. >> WITH THOSE. AND REMEMBER, YOU'LL SEE IT BEFORE IT GOES ANYWHERE. >> YES. >> FOR FINAL. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. >>ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT AS A MOTION, SIR? OKAY. AND THERE'S A SECOND. >> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, SCOTT. THERE WILL BE NO MORE DISCUSSION, CORRECT? THANK YOU. >> GOOD WORK. GUYS TO CALL. OKAY. MEMBERS BALDY. >> YES. >> MEMBER BROSY? >> YES. >> CHEROKEE. >> YES. >> CHAIR CAMERA? >> YES. >> MEMBER B? >> YES. MEMBER B. >> YES. >> NICE JOB, EVERYBODY. >> AND THANK YOU, SCOTT AND KATIE FOR ALL YOUR WORK. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> AT LEAST YOU KNOW WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION. >> YEAH. NO. >> WE ARE DETAILED. >> LIKE DRAWING AN EYE OF A RIGHT WELL. THE EYE IS ON THE KEYHOLE OF THE SHACKS. SO IF YOU GUYS EVER GO BY THERE, TAKE A LOOK AT THE EYE OF THE RIGHT WHALE. IT'S IN THE KEYHOLE. >> I DID TELL SCOTT, IT WAS AMAZING DO REALLY THE LAST. >> WASN'T THE WORKSHOP OR HE WAS LIKE, I'VE GOT TO REPLACE THAT DOOR. WHY DON'T HAVE TO PAINTED BLEND. >> SAVED THIS $2,500. >> IT'S LIKE REAL GREAT WHALE. >> I DON'T MIND. >> YEAH, I'M READY TO PULL UP ONE OR TWO PICTURES. >> WELL, WALLY JUST REQUESTED THAT I PULL UP THE PICTURE HE SENT IN HIS. >> YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THEM, BUT REMEMBER FROM THE CAMERA? >> SAYS, DADDY. THAT'S ME. >> I KNOW THAT THE FIRST COUPLE OF TIMES I GOT A MESSAGE BACK FOR YOU I WAS SO CONFUSED. >> WHAT IS YOUR DADDY? >> YES. ONLY BECAUSE I HAD MY KIDS WHO ARE ADULTS NOW, THAT HOW I WOULD EMAIL WHEN I GOT DIVORCED. YEAH, EMAIL WITH YOU. >> WELL, I REALLY THOUGHT THAT I'D SIT UP TO MY DAD. I SPENT QUITE A WHILE THE FIRST TIME, LIKE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. BUT THEN I WAS LIKE, I THINK THIS IS SOMEBODY'S. >> YEAH, SO HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. >> AND I PUT IN A I DON'T KNOW. I TALKED TO KATIE OR KRISTEN. THAT LIGHT RIGHT THERE. I PUT IN I JUST GAVE A VERBAL WORK ORDER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE. IS THERE A PAPERWORK THAT HAS TO BE FILLED OUT? BECAUSE I WENT TO HER LAST WEEK. >> WE PUT THAT IN. >> WE PUT IT IN, YEP. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU CAN SEND US AN EMAIL TOM SENDS THEM TO US ALL THE TIME. [01:35:03] WE PUT A WORK ORDER IN THROUGH ANAR, WHO IS OUR COORDINATOR FOR PARKS. >> SO THAT LIGHT AND THE BACKLIGHT. >> I ACTUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A QUICK FIX, SO I RAN DOWN THERE THE OTHER DAY TO SEE IF I COULD HIT THE BREAKER, BUT ALL THE BREAKERS WERE ON, SO IT WASN'T A BREAKER ISSUE. SO WE THEN DID PROCEED WITH PUTTING IN A WORK ORDER TO GET THAT FIX. >> THE HEALTH THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT AN EID OR IID, OR AED. WE PUT ON OUR TENTH ANNUAL TERRY KELLY SKATE COMPETITION. WE HONOR A MAN WHO HAD A HEART ATTACK AT OUR EVENT. WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO SEE IF WE CAN GET ONE THERE FOR THE LONGEST TIME. IT'S BEEN A PROCESS. I WAS JUST CONTACTED BY SOMEBODY FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND ONE PUT HERE. BUT IT HAS TO HAVE ELECTRICAL HOOKUP. DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY ON THAT? BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PUT ON THE OUTSIDE ON THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING. I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING OFF OF THE SUBJECT HERE. >> YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN WE GO THROUGH THIS AND CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT POSSIBLY AT BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS? I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? >> YEAH, I'M FINE. >> OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. SO, KATIE, IF YOU CAN DO. THANK YOU. BEFORE I STARTED THIS, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WHAT FRED WAS TALKING ABOUT. IT SOUNDED AS THOUGH FRED WAS TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ITS LOSING UP THE TORTS. THEN TOWARDS THE END OF HIS CONVERSATION, HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT FROM WHAT I GATHER FROM THAT IS PATTON COURTS DOWN AT THE MARINA TOO. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WERE GETTING OUT OF THAT, BUT WE CAN MAYBE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT ANOTHER MEETING. I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH FRED. BUT THE WAY THAT THAT PUBLIC MEETING HAPPENED WAS, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE WERE EXPANDING THAT AT CENTRAL PARK. >> LIKE TO TIGGER. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS THINKING AFTER HE SPOKE THAT MAYBE, LIKE, I DID NOT SEE THAT TOWN HALL, BUT LIKE A RECAP OF THE TOWN HALL, AND THEN, LIKE A WORKSHOP WITH THEM OR SOMETHING. I FEEL LIKE THE INFORMATION OF WHAT THEY NEED AND WHEN THEY NEED IT IS SORT OF HARD FOR ES. IT KEEPS FOR DAILY PLAY AND THEN, LIKE JUST A TOURNAMENT. WE CAN PROVIDE A TENANT SPACE, A TOURNAMENT SPACE. BUT IT SEEMED LIKE YOU MAYBE THOUGHT THAT CENTRAL PARK WAS ENOUGH UNLESS THE TOURNAMENT, BUT THEN IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WAS ENOUGH TO HIM. SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO RECOMMEND A SITE WITHOUT YOUR POINT. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN ABBOTT, AND I HAD ONE. I HAD IT WITH FRED ON THE PHONE, AND I HAD IT WITH ANOTHER GUY DOUG WHO PLAYS WHATEVER. HE WAS AT THE TOWN HALL. BECAUSE THEY KEEP SENDING DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO HAVE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. THAT WAS MY EXACT WORDING. I SAID TO THEM, I HAVE HEARD 42 DIFFERENT STORIES. ABOUT WHAT IT IS YOU NEED, HOW MUCH IS NEEDED. I WAS LIKE, I WOULD REALLY LOVE IT IF YOU GUYS WOULD NAIL DOWN, WHATEVER IT IS YOU NEED, PUT IT IN WRITING, AND PRESENT IT TO US SO THAT WE ARE ALL WORKING THE SAME SET OF EXPECTATIONS BECAUSE ONE GUY SHOWING UP TALKING ABOUT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S LIKE REALISTIC TO SAY, I THINK THE SITUATION THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH THE SUNSHINE COURTS AT A CERTAIN TIME IN THE WINTER AND THE SHADOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY HARD TO FIND A SPOT THAT THEY CAN HAVE PERFECT WEATHER FOR, SO IT'S LIKE FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY NEED THAT WOULD WORK YEAR-ROUND AT ONE SITE. THEN IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL A BIG ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE FOR THIS ONE TERM OF A YEAR, I GET THAT. BUT FOR THE DAILY PLAY, YEAH, IT'S LIKE SOME PEOPLE SEEM HAPPY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AT CENTRAL PARK, AND OTHERS AREN'T. IT INDICATE B1 PERS HIS OPINION, THE CLUB NEEDS TO DECIDE WHAT THEY NEED. >> PARKS AND REC HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH MR. ABBOTT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. I JUST WANT YOU TO. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. >> AGAIN, I WENT SAT WITH HIM BEFORE WE HAD THAT MEETING. AGAIN, WHAT HE SAID TO ME AND THE TWO I MEAN, I LISTEN PRETTY WELL, I FEEL LIKE AND PAY ATTENTION. WHAT HE SAID TO ME IN OUR TWO-HOUR MEETING AND WHAT WAS SAID THEN AT THE MEETING WHEN WE ALL GOT HERE WAS VERY DIFFERENT. I WAS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS. I WOULD LOVE TO DO A WORKSHOP WITH THEM HAVING A NAILED-DOWN PRESENTATION, NOT LIKE, OH, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THIS OR WE WISH WE HAD THIS, BUT WE'LL TAKE THIS. I THINK THAT PASSIVITY HAS BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS WORK THAT AREN'T REALLY VIABLE BECAUSE THE NEEDLES ALWAYS MOVING. >> YEAH. LIKE I DON'T THINK WE COULD RECOMMEND BACK AT THE ARENA, LIKE THEY KEEP SAYING. [01:40:02] LIKE, THAT'S I HAVEN'T I KNOW. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON FOR SURE DOWN THERE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WHERE WE ARE REALLY IN THE DESIGN PROCESS OF THAT AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY FEASIBLY BEING DONE. TO MAKE THAT DECISION DOWN THERE. THAT'S WHY, IN MY MIND, I COMPLETELY TOOK IT OFF THE TABLE. TO SAY, WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS. >> SO WE'RE GETTING I BELIEVE THAT THE BIDS WILL COME IN FOR THE WATERFRONT ON THE 21ST. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE DATE. NOW, THAT'S WITH THE EXISTING DESIGN. >> BUT AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN REALLY I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THAT IS. >> IS IT REASONABLE FOR US TO EVEN MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION? IS THAT JUST A WASTE OF TIME? >> I WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO JEREMIAH AND I THINK THAT'S AT A COMMISSION LEVEL [NOISE] THAT'S PASSED THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THAT'S PASSED. >THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO GIVE THE PETANQUE PEOPLE THEIR OWN SPACE. I'VE SAID IT BEFORE. THE THING I THINK THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IS TO JUST EXPAND WHERE IT ALREADY EXISTS, NOT RECREATING THE WHEEL. BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IMPACTS SOME THINGS. TO ME, IT'S THE THING THAT IS THE LEAST IMPACTFUL ON OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. >> I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND BY JANUARY 1, WHAT WAS AGREED UPON IS WE WERE GOING TO REFURBISH THE PETANQUE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK, AND THAT WILL BE COMPLETED. >> WELL, MAYBE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THIS BIG PROJECT GOING MAYBE LIKE EARLY SPRING WINTER, WE COULD TRY TO DO A WORKSHOP REGARDING THAT IF WE ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER THAT WAY, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE JUST FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM, AND THEN THAT PUTS IT ON THE RADAR FOR SOMETIME NEXT YEAR. I KNOW EVERYONE'S CALENDARS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET SUPER BUSY IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS. BUT MAYBE EARLY 2025 TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU REALLY NEED? NOW AT THAT POINT, TOO, THEY SHOULD HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE REFURBISHING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND MAYBE THE MARINA COURTS WILL BE GONE, I DON'T KNOW. >> I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE MARINA WOULD BE JUST FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY AND THAT THE REFURBISHING OF CENTRAL PARK WAS GOING TO BE THE PERMANENT PLACE FOR THEM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TOURNAMENT PLAY. >> BUT AGAIN, LET'S BE CLEAR BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOURNAMENTS THAT ONLY REQUIRE LIKE, 28 THINGS. THEIR BIG THING, LET'S CALL IT THE GIANT THING THAT THEY'RE HAVING THIS WEEKEND. THAT'S THE THING THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF SPACE. NO TIME DURING THE REST OF THE YEAR DO THEY NEED THAT MUCH SPACE. >> EXACTLY. >> THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING, BUILD OUT WHAT THEY NEED FOR ALL OF THE OTHER REGIONAL PLAY AT CENTRAL PARK. THEN WE JUST DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THIS EVENT IN OCTOBER. BUT I THINK A WORKSHOP IS [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK IT'S NECESSARY. >> I FEEL THE SAME WAY THOUGH. THE ANSWERS ARE CONFUSING. >> AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, IT DOES SAY HAPPY NEW YEAR. [LAUGHTER]. I HAVE UPDATED IT, BUT THIS WAS FOR OUR OCTOBER MEETING AND OUR OCTOBER MEETING WAS CANCELED, SO I WANTED TO WISH YOU GUYS A HAPPY FISCAL NEW YEAR. WE'RE CURRENTLY IN OUR FISCAL YEAR '25, WHICH STARTED OCTOBER 21, BUT WE ARE EXTREMELY BUSY AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE, BUT SO I HOPE SOME OF YOU HAD NOTICED THAT THE CENTRAL PARK GAZEBO, WE REPAINTED THAT AND WE FIXED THE WOODWORK IN THERE. ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY BIG ON [NOISE] IS MAINTENANCE. >> I'M SORRY. >> YOU'RE FINE. IS MAINTENANCE. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HERE IN THIS CITY, AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. IT WAS MY GOAL FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE. AS WE SEE THESE ITEMS THAT MAYBE HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED AS PROPERLY AS THEY SHOULD, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND FIX THEM. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE PROJECT. THE INSTALLATION OF THE WALKING TRACK AT PECK FIELD IS COMPLETE. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT IT IS COMPLETE. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THERE'S SOME ROCK THAT'S STILL SITTING AROUND THERE. WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN ALL THAT UP AND BRING IN SOME FILTER TO MAKE IT LOOK NICE RIGHT ALONG THE EDGES OF THE TRACK. THAT'S YET TO COME. [01:45:02] >> I HAD A QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY OVER THERE ON ELECTION DAY, AND IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. MY COUSIN'S OFFICE IS IN THE PECK CENTER. SO THEY WERE TAKING A BREAK AND WALKING ON THE TRACK AS THEIR OFFICE BREAK. THAT WAS THEIR LUNCH. SO I HAVE ALREADY SEEN PEOPLE USING IT. I WAS CURIOUS THE MATERIAL THAT WAS USED, IT ALREADY HAD GRASS AND WEEDS COMING UP THROUGH THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS >> THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ITEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH. UNFORTUNATELY AS IT'S ASPHALT AND GRASS WILL GROW THROUGH ASPHALT. [NOISE] IT'S HAPPENED AT THE CENTRAL PARK, NOT THE NEW TENNIS COURTS, BUT THE OLDER PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN, AND WE HAVE TO SPRAY. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NORMAL. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. >> YEAH, IT'S NORMAL. I DON'T WANT IT. [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT'S A STATEMENT OF A CENTURY. [LAUGHTER] >> DON'T WORRY. I HAVE NOTICED THAT. >> I JUST WASN'T SURE, I DON'T KNOW. >> WE DID SPRAY IT THE LAST TIME WE WERE THERE, AND THE PARKS CREW IS VERY AWARE OF IT, AND THEY WILL SPRAY IT AS THEY SEE IT. >> [OVERLAPPING] IF THEY DON'T SPRAY IT. >> I WILL NOTICE IT. >> IT LOOKS GREAT. PEOPLE ARE ALREADY USING IT, SO I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE A LOT. >> AWESOME. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE STREET DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY REALLY HELPED US WITH THAT, AND ALSO WANTED TO THANK NASSAU COUNTY FOR THE $50,000 GRANT FOR THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A VERY NICE PROJECT. THAT'S COMPLETED. THE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER, THE WOMEN'S LOCKER ROOM RENOVATION IS COMPLETED, A VERY NICE UPGRADE. THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FINISH UP ON THAT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME PICTURES AND POST IT. I THINK THERE ACTUALLY MIGHT HAVE ALREADY BEEN A FEW, BUT THERE'S A FEW PIECES THAT WE HAVE TO DO. ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE, ACTUALLY WILL BE COMPLETED, POSSIBLY TOMORROW, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE SOME PICTURES AND SEND THEM OUT. A NICE LITTLE UPGRADE. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE MEN SIDE NEXT. THE RESURFACING OF THE MLK POOL. WHAT? >> EGANS CREEK. >> EGANS CREEK FITNESS EQUIPMENT. AS YOU REMEMBER, LAST YEAR, WE PURCHASED THAT EQUIPMENT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO PIECES THAT WERE INSTALLED TODAY. SO ALL THOSE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT ARE GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY REPLACED BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. GREAT UPGRADE THAT EQUIPMENT WAS FALLING APART. IF YOU REMEMBER WE RECEIVED 50% OFF THAT EQUIPMENT, AND IT IS GALVANIZED, SO THE LIFE EXPECTANCY WILL BE MUCH LONGER. ANOTHER PROJECT. KATIE AND I YESTERDAY, WE MET THE POOL CONTRACTOR AT THE MLK POOL. THEY DRAINED THE POOL YESTERDAY, AND WE ARE RE-MARBELITNG IT. SO 3-4 WEEK PROJECT. IN ADDITION TO THIS FENCE, WE'RE REPLACING THAT FENCE ALONG THE EAST SIDE. WE'VE BEEN [NOISE] HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. WE HAVE A FENCING CONTRACTOR THAT WE DEAL WITH, SO WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THAT AT THE SAME TIME. MUCH NEEDED, SO VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. >> THIS CREW ROCKS, LIKE THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN A BREAK TODAY. I KEPT WATCHING THEM. >> YEAH. SO FINGERS CROSSED WILL BE DONE IN THREE YEARS. >> NICE. >> THEN THE PETANQUE COURTS WILL BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR AS THE REQUEST FROM MR. ABBOTT. THE SECOND PHASE OF THE SKATEPARK REHABILITATION, THE TWO RAMPS WERE PICKED UP AFTER THE RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL ON NOVEMBER 4. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THEM BACK IN BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. MEANING REFURBISHED, REGALVANIZED, OR GALVANIZED AND PUT BACK UP BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. >> IS THERE ANY OF THE OTHER ONES, IS THAT IT OR? >> NO, SIR. WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL OF THEM. >> THERE'S ALSO TWO SMALL HAND RAILS THAT WERE TAKEN OFF OF THE EXISTING RAMPS THAT WERE THERE. WE ARE GOING TO PUT THOSE BACK INTO, AND I'LL WORK WITH THE FRIENDS ON MAKING SURE THEY'RE RIGHT HEIGHT AND ALL THAT STUFF >> BY THE WAY, WE JUMPED ON THE KIDS ABOUT MOVING ANY OF THOSE THINGS, THE HAZARDOUS THINGS THAT ARE THERE, AND MIGHT TOOK CARE OF ANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MADE NOTE OF. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I NOTICED THE OTHER ONES, THEY LOOK THEY LOOK VERY SECURE, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT. WELL, SO THE RIGHT WHALE MURAL PAINTED ON THE SKATE SHACK, SO WE OBVIOUSLY SAW A PICTURE OF THAT. [01:50:03] A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON PROJECT WISE, THE HICKORY STREET BATHROOMS. AT THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING ON OCTOBER 24, THE SCHOOL BOARD DID APPROVE THE EXTENSION, I BELIEVE, 25 MORE YEARS OF THE HICKORY STREET PARK EXTENDED LEASE. AT THE SAME TIME, THEY APPROVED THE DESIGN OF A BATHROOM DESIGN. IT'S ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE A CXT CONCRETE BUILDING. I HAD TO MEET THEIR SPECIFICATIONS. THEY HAVE REVIEWED THAT AND THEY HAVE APPROVED THAT. >> IS THAT PIRATE PARK, LIKE THAT? >> NO, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THAT HAS TO GO TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. WE CAN'T JUST PURCHASE IT. WE WANT TO GET THE LEASE DONE TO TAKE THAT TO THE COMMISSION. THEN AFTER THAT LEASE IS COMPLETE, WE WILL THEN TAKE THE PURCHASE OF THAT BATHROOM [NOISE] BUILDING TO THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. >> I HAVE IDEAS WHERE IT SHOULD BE PLACED. DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PLACED? >> I DO. >> IS IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT? >> LET'S SAY YOU ARE IN THE PARKING LOT AND YOU ARE FACING EAST TOWARDS THE OCEAN. I THINK FOR UTILITIES PURPOSES, FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS SIDE TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER. >> LIKE IN THE PARKING LOT? >> IN THE PARKING. >> IN THE PARKING LOT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I WAS THINKING THE WAY THAT THAT PARKING LOT IS, IT'S LIKE A RECTANGLE. BUT THEN THERE'S SOME WATER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF WATER, BUT THERE'S SOME PIPING AND STUFF AT THE END OF THAT. I WAS THINKING TO NOT LOSE ANY PARKING THAT IF IT WAS AT THAT BACK WALL, IT WOULD BE REALLY CONVENIENT TO BOTH FIELDS. >> LIKE ON THE VERY SOUTH SIDE OF IT? >> [OVERLAPPING] YOU SEE WHERE THE TREE IS? WHERE ARE YOU'RE SHOWING YOU THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT UP THERE. SEE, I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE BACK AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE RIGHT THERE IS, LIKE, A BUNCH OF WATER PIPES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. >> I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE REASON WHY IT'S THERE IS BASED ON ANDRE AND THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. >> THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHERE. I KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS WILL BE HAPPY THAT IT'S NOT CLOSE TO THEIR HOUSES, BUT JUST THE WAY THOSE FIELDS GET USED ON THE DAILY. I WAS THINKING THEY'RE MORE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE FIELDS NOT NEAR THE STREET. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> IT'LL BE A NICE UPGRADE. >> WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR EVERYONE ON OUR STREET. >> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> ONCE WE GET THE LEASE, I HAD IN HERE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER 19, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST PUSHED TO THE THIRD, BUT I'LL GET THERE. THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON THE LEASE AND GETTING THE MINUTES TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING FOR THEM. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ONCE IT GETS GOING, WE'LL MOVE SINCE IT'S A PREFAB THING THAT IT'LL MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S DARK, THERE'S NO LIGHTS OUT THERE. I WOULD THINK WE HAVE THIS WINTER TIME TO NOT BE PUSHED, BUT BY THE TIME SPRING ROLLS AROUND. >> THE ONLY THING I BELIEVE IS IT'S EITHER 12, POSSIBLY A 12 WEEK FOR THEM TO BUILD IT. << THAT'S STILL IN THAT WINTER I THINK BY THE TIME WE GET TO SPRING, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO USE THAT WELL INTO THE DUSK HOURS. THOSE GUYS WILL PLAY OUT THERE WHEN IT'S DARK. >> YES. >> ONE QUESTION. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ASK FOR ME TO BRING IT UP TO YOU WAS HAVING A SHED PUT OUT THERE SO THEY COULD PUT THE EQUIPMENT FOR FOOTBALL? >> I CAN TALK TO FOOTBALL ABOUT THAT. >> WOULD YOU? >> YEAH. NO PROBLEM ABOUT THAT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THE BATHROOMS ARE MAJOR OF UPGRADE. BUT TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD UNTIL IT GETS BETTER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING HICKORY. >> THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IS THE SKATE PARK, THE DESIGN FOR EXPANSION IN MY NOTES UNDER NUMBER 10. LATER, THAT IS GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON [01:55:01] NOVEMBER THE 19TH FOR THEIR APPROVAL OF THE $90,000 TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT DESIGN. I DID REACH OUT. I'M SORRY. >> WAIT A MINUTE. I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY APPROVED THE $90,000 FOR A DESIGN. >> YEAH. IT WAS IN OUR BUDGET. SO THEY APPROVED THAT. NOW WE HAVE TO GO APPROVE IT TO SPEND IT. >> RESOLUTION. >> TO LIKE WORK WITH THE COMPANY. >> WITH OUR NEW CITY COMMISSION. THAT COMES IN. >> THAT IS CORRECT. NOW WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND ASK THEM TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. IT WAS IN THE BUDGET? IT WAS IN THE BUDGET. WE WERE ASKED TO PUT THIS MONEY IN OUR BUDGET. NOW WE HAVE TO BECAUSE OF PURCHASING POLICIES. >> TO GO SPEND IT. >> YES. >> GOT IT. I'M SORRY. >> I DID REACH OUT TO THE CONTRACTOR TODAY TO PROVIDE ANOTHER PRICE, AND I DON'T HAVE IT UP THERE FOR NOT THE COMPLETE ITEM, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S FINAL CONCEPTUAL, NOT WHERE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. I WAS ASKED TO REACH OUT TO THE COMPANY FOR THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION AT CITY COMMISSION MEETING OR NOT. I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF IT. >> BOARDWALK REPAIRS. ACCESS 28 AND 30. WE'LL BE STARTING ON THOSE SHORTLY. ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER. WE'RE WORKING ON OUR SECOND PHASE OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT. NOW, THIS WAS MONEY THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THE FACADE RE-POINTING, BECAUSE JUST LIKE THE PEC CENTER, THE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER IS GETTING OLDER, SO THAT MORTAR IS BREAKING DOWN, SO WE HAVE TO DO THE RE-POINTING PROCESS. IN THIS BUDGET YEAR, WE ALSO HAVE $50,000, ANOTHER GRANT FROM THE COUNTY FOR $50,000, AND 50 TO $55,000 FROM BABE RUTH TO INSTALL NEW BATTING CAGES AT CENTRAL PARK. WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON, WE'RE GETTING NEW LED LIGHTS ON OUR TENNIS COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK. THEN THE MAJOR ITEMS AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS OR NOT, BUT OBVIOUSLY YBOR ALVAREZ IN THE MLK SOFTBALL FIELDS, THE PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S A LOT INVOLVED IN IT. ESPECIALLY LIKE THE BASEBALL FIELDS AT MLK. I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN UPDATE FOR YOU, BESIDES THAT IT'S STILL IN THE PROCESS. BUT SO FOR EXAMPLE, JUST A LITTLE TIDBIT IS TO EXPAND SOFTBALL FIELDS AT MLK IS WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE OCEAN RESCUE IN THEIR BUILDING. BUT TO REMOVE OCEAN RESCUE IN THEIR BUILDING, WE HAVE TO MOVE OCEAN RESCUE TO FIRE STATION 2. BUT TO GET TO FIRE STATION 2, WE HAVE TO GET TO THE NEW FIREHOUSE. THERE'S PIECES THAT FALL. WHEN I GET UPDATES ON THIS, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET UPDATES. IT'S AT A STANDSTILL A LITTLE BIT. THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH IT. THEN WE DID HIRE TWO NEW RECREATION COORDINATORS, SAMANTHA? >> YOU MISSED ONE. >> THE MLK INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S THE ONE I MISSED. >> SORRY, WE HIRED THREE NEW COORDINATORS TOO. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING. >> YOU SAID WE HIRED TWO. >> WHEN I DID THIS, WE HADN'T HIRED. WE HIRED THREE NEW COORDINATORS. SAMANTHA GOLDEN IN YOUTH PROGRAMMING, CASSIDY SMITH IN ADULT PROGRAMMING, AND LEE GOMEZ FOR AQUATIC. WE ARE EXCEPT FOR ONE NOW IN OUR PARKS DIVISION ARE COMPLETELY STAFFED FROM OUR REORGANIZATION. WHAT? >> FOR OUR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR. [OVERLAPPING] ARE YOU GOING TO RELEASE COMMISSIONER POYNTER? >> HE RELEASED HIMSELF. [LAUGHTER] >> NO, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE HIM VOLUNTEER AGAIN, IT'S BEEN A PROCESS, BUT NOW WE'RE TRAINING, AND WE CAN REALLY GET GOING. NOW IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MORE PROGRAMS HERE IN THE NEXT LITTLE BIT. PLEASE GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AS WE TRAIN THESE INDIVIDUALS, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE HAVE OUR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM. ONE OF MY GOALS WILL BE ALSO TO HAVE AN AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM BACK AT THE MLK CENTER, [02:00:02] WHERE WE ALWAYS HAVE HAD ONE. WE'RE WORKING WITH DCF, THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES TO HAVE THAT LICENSE. THEN WE CAN JUST HAVE MORE KIDS IN OUR AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. OUR AFTER SCHOOL STEM CAMP. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THERE A WAY ON THAT PLAYGROUND? I FEEL LIKE I ALWAYS BRING UP THE PLAYGROUND. THE ONE THAT'S BEHIND THE REC CENTER, NOT PIRATE PARK, THE OTHER ONE, TO POST THE HOURS SEASONALLY, LIKE WHEN THE CAMP IS THERE, AND THEN. THAT'S ONE OF MY SON'S FAVORITE PLAYGROUNDS AND I LOVE THAT IT'S FENCED AND IT'S RIGHT BY OUR HOUSE. BUT I HAVE TO JUST GO AND HOPE THAT WE DON'T KICKED OUT OR NO ONE'S THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT CLOSES AT NIGHT. THEN I KNOW THERE'S AN AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAM, BUT I'M LIKE, ARE THEY DONE AT 6:00 OR CAN WE GO? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD JUST GET. >> WEEKENDS. [OVERLAPPING]. >> SOMETHING WATERPROOF THAT JUST HAS LIKE WHEN THE PUBLIC CAN USE IT. I KNOW WE CAN GO IN THE MORNINGS RIGHT NOW, I THINK MOST WEEKDAYS. >> YOU CAN GO EVERY WEEKDAY MORNING AND ON THE WEEKENDS ALL DAY LONG. THEN THE PROGRAM ENDS AT 6:00 P.M. YOU CAN GO AFTER 6:00 P.M DURING THE WEEK. >> BUT WHAT TIME IS IT LOCKED? >> IT IS UNLOCKED AT SIX O'CLOCK. OUR STAFF UNLOCKS IT AND LEAVES. >> BUT THEN DO THEY LOCK IT AT NIGHT? IS IT LOCKED? >> NO. IT'S OPEN WHEN THE YOUTH PROGRAMS CLOSE. WE LOCK IT WHEN THE KIDS GET THERE, AND WE UNLOCK IT WHEN THEY LEAVE. >> IF YOU JUST POSTED SOMETHING DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR OF WHEN THE YOUTH PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE THERE, AND THEN IN THE SUMMER. >> NO PROBLEM. >> WE CAN DO THAT. WE HAD THAT, AND IT WAS PAST ADMINISTRATION TOOK IT DOWN, BUT WE CAN PUT THAT BACK OUT. >> YOU GUYS NEED AN APP. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> YOU GUYS NEED AN APP. WE NEED TO FIND YOU AN APP. >> JUST A LIVE STREAM ON SCOTT AND I 21ST. >> YOU CAN LIKE [OVERLAPPING] ON THE WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, THEY HAVE IT AT THE. YOU CAN JUST PLUG IN THINGS AND ANYTHING YOU CAN SELF DIRECT PEOPLE TO GO FIND FOR THEMSELVES SO THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE YOU GUYS HAVING A CALL OR POSTING. [OVERLAPPING] >> GOING TO THE WEBSITE IS THE OLD WAY OF DOING THINGS [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE SHOULD LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE FOR THAT [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHAT I WAS INSINUATING. >> I HAVE A APP DEVELOPER THAT LOOKS AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD. HE'S IN RETIREMENT. MAYBE WE CAN PUT HIM ON VOLUNTEER ONLY. >> VOLUNTEER. >> I'LL TELL HIM. >> WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER FOR HIM, TOO. [LAUGHTER] >> YOU'RE FUNNY NOW. >> ART IN THE PARK. HIP HOP ABS. MR. COVERDALE. HIP HOP ABS. PING PONG, GAME DAYS, SPORTS. WE'RE ACTUALLY, I DON'T HAVE THE DATE. WE ARE NOW DOING SENIOR TRIPS AGAIN. THOSE WE HAD STOPPED THOSE. OUR FIRST SENIOR TRIP IS A SHOPPING TRIP DOWN TO JACKSONVILLE. WE'RE STARTING OUT SMALL. WE'RE STARTING WITH OUR VAN. AS WE GROW. WE'LL GET BACK TO OUR 25 PASSENGER VAN, AND WE ARE IMPLEMENTING OUR SENIOR TRIPS ONCE AGAIN. >> THAT'S GREAT. >> UPCOMING ITEMS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION. AS I SAID, THE HICKORY STREET PARK BATHROOMS IS MOVED TO THE THIRD AS OF NOW. THE SKATE PARK DESIGN IS ON THE 19TH. I MADE A NOTE HERE FOR MYSELF THAT, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE, BUT WE WILL ALSO BE BRINGING TO YOU GUYS THE SPECIAL EVENTS GUIDELINES. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT THAT TO THE CITY SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE ON NOVEMBER 19TH TO GET ANY CHANGES THEY WANT. WE WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOU BEFORE WE MOVE THAT ON. YOU GUYS CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S JUST COMING. I DON'T HAVE A DATE ON THAT. I TALKED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE POSITION, AND THEN FINALLY IS SPECIAL EVENTS. AS YOU KNOW, ALL THE SPECIAL EVENTS COME THROUGH US FOR THE PROCESSING, AND THOSE ARE LISTED RIGHT THERE. I'LL JUST LET YOU READ THOSE. THEN OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON 10TH DECEMBER. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> GO AHEAD. >> FOR THE LIGHTED PARADE, CAN WE HAVE THE LIGHTS IN THE BATHROOM? [NOISE] >> YES. WILL YOU MAKE NOTE OF THAT, PLEASE? THE BASEBALL LIGHTS FOR THE LIGHTED PARADE BECAUSE IT GETS DARK SO EARLY AND THE BATHROOMS AT CENTRAL PARK. >> YOU'LL WANT THEM FOR THE PARADE AND PROBABLY [OVERLAPPING]. >> YES. AFTER. WE'LL JUST LEAVE THEM. WHAT TIME? >> AT ABOUT 3:30. BUT THE PEOPLE START COMING AT 4:30. >> I KNOW YOU USUALLY REQUEST A CERTAIN TIME. >> BY TIME IT START GETTING DUST. [02:05:03] >> BUT WHEN WILL MOST PEOPLE BE OUT? >> PARADE BEGINS AT 6:00. >> 6:00. MOST GET THEIR 4:30. >> THEY'RE HAVING AN EVENT AFTER THAT. IT'LL PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO 9:00 OR 10:00, BUT I'LL GET WITH KRISTEN AND MOVE UP THE LIGHTS. >> WE'LL MAKE SURE THE LIGHTS ON. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. CAMARA. >> ON NOVEMBER THE SEVENTH, I SENT YOU A MESSAGE ABOUT THE ACCESS ON NUMBER 34 ON THE BEACH. DID YOU GET THAT? >> THAT WAS MY BIRTHDAY TIME. [LAUGHTER] >> I KNOW IT WAS YOUR BIRTHDAY? >> I DID. YES. WE GO YOUR MESSAGE WHILE YOU WERE ON A BEAUTIFUL VACATION. >> NO. DON'T WORRY ABOUT MY TRIP. DID YOU ANSWER THE LADY. >> YES, SIR. WE DID. WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE TODAY AND REPAIRED THE WOODWORK. THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THAT BOARDWALK REGARDING THE SAND. THE DUNE IS BASICALLY HAS TAKEN OVER PART OF THAT. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> THE WOODWORK HAS BEEN REPAIRED. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? >> I JUST SENT YOU AN EMAIL, THE PICNIC TABLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE MAIN BEACH PLAYGROUND THAT HAS THE LITTLE ROOF. IT'S LIKE THE SMALL ONE, NOT THE LONG GAZEBO. BUT THE WHOLE TABLETOP IS LIKE. >> WAS THAT TODAY? >> NO, IT WAS LAST WEEK. >> I THINK THEY FIXED THAT NO FALL OFF. >> I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE FIXED THAT TOO. >> IT WAS REALLY WOBBLY. THERE WAS KIDS USING IT AS A SEE-SAW, I WAS GOING TO FALL >> I THINK ANY OF US HAVE ROLES. JENNY MOUNT JOY IS THE PLAYGROUND SECTOR. >> I KNOW, I LOVE IT. >> SHE IS. >> MY SON TELLS ME THINGS ARE BROKEN. [LAUGHTER] >> EVERYBODY HAS THEIR ROLE HERE. >> YOU'RE GOOD. >> WE HERE ALL. >> EAST. >> IT'S SOMEONE LIKE RIGHT BY THE CLIMBING WALL. BUT IT HAS BENCHES AROUND, LIKE A SQUARE AND IT'S GOT A LITTLE ROOF OVER IT. >> KENNY WENT OUT AND FIX THAT LAST WEEK. >> I WAS LIKE BEGINNING TO LAST. >> BECAUSE I REMEMBER LILA SITTING WHERE I WAS BEING. >> THERE WAS LITERALLY TWO BOYS SITTING ON IT, AND THEN MY SON TRIED TO JOIN IT AND I WAS LIKE, NO, AND THEY WERE LIKE ROCKING IT. I WAS THIS IS LITERALLY GO. GOOD TO GO. >> ARE YOU SEVEN? >> WE'RE ON SEVEN. >> SEVEN. >> BOARD MEMBERS. [8. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS ] >> GO AHEAD, WALLY, SINCE YOU'RE SO IN. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU AND THANK KATIE FOR DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THESE UPDATES. THIS IS CRITICAL TO HOW WE FEEL THE JOB THAT WE'RE DOING UP HERE. REALLY GIVES US INSIGHT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPS OUT MY TRAIT OF THOUGHT, AND I KEEP THESE SO THAT I CAN LOOK AT IT. I CHECK THEM OFF AS I'M GOING BY SO I CAN REFERENCE IT SOME OTHER TIME AND THEY REALLY THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB. PARKS AND REC REALLY STEPPED UP FROM WHEN I FIRST GOT ON HERE. AS FAR AS THE SKATE PARK DESIGN EXPANSION, I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS REACHING OUT AND SPEAKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. OTHER THAN THAT, THE RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL TURNED OUT REALLY WELL. WE HAD A REALLY GREAT SKATE COMPETITION, AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP. >> THANK YOU, GUYS. >> THAT'S HOW I JUST LIKE IT, ALL ONCE FOR THE INFORMATION. >> ALL GOOD. >> THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK ON THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> ON THE EVERYTHING. >> YES, BUT AS THAT WHOLE ART PROCESS, I FEEL GOOD THAT WE'LL GET THERE AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THIS HAS BEEN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, WE BABE RUTH ENTERED THE FALL SEASON. WE HAD 335 KIDS SIGN UP VERSUS 344 THAT WE HAD FOR SPRING. [02:10:04] SPRING SHOULD SUPPOSED TO BE OUR BIGGEST NUMBERS, 334 KIDS WERE SIGNED UP FOR BASEBALL THIS YEAR. FOR FALL BALL. SECOND OF ALL, IF IT WASN'T FOR PARKS MAINTENANCE, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THROUGH THE HURRICANES AND THE STORMS THAT SET US BACK ALMOST FIVE WEEKS. IT'S BECAUSE OF THEIR DILIGENCE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OPEN UP ON TIME. THEY SHOULD BE COMMENDED BECAUSE THEY PUT US IN A POSITION TO WIN AND NOT TO LOSE. THEY HAD SO MANY OTHER THINGS TO DO IN THIS CITY THAT THEY PUT THE TIME AND THE ENERGY FOR 334 KIDS. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> I DRAGGED ONE OF THOSE FIELDS MYSELF. >> I KNOW YOU DID. >> I'LL TELL YOU PICKED HER LATER. >> EXPERIENCE COUNTS. THE NEXT THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD AS A GROUP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE. WE LOOK OUT FOR THE WELFARE OF OUR CITY, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM SO PROUD TO BE SITTING HERE WITH YOU GUYS, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS WORKED WITH THE IDEA OF MAKING IT PERFECT AS PERFECT AS WE CAN BE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING UP THE LOOPHOLES. WITH THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE ON NEXT TUESDAY, WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM THE SAME TYPE OF SERVICE THAT WE GAVE THE OLD ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT PARKS AND REC HAS ALL THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO GO FORWARD. IT'S IMPORTANT. LAST BUT NOT LEAST. I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING. I WANT TO WISH THAT IF YOU GUYS HAVE TIME, FIND A FAMILY, DO SOMETHING TO GIVE THANKS, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR CITY NEED THAT SUPPORT, EVEN IF IT'S JUST GOING TO A CAN DRIVE AND DROPPING OFF A COUPLE EXTRA CANS, IT'S IMPORTANT. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR IT AND I WISH YOU AND EVERYONE IN YOUR FAMILIES A VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING. WITH THAT, I SHALL END THE MEETING. [NOISE] * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.