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>> CALL TO ORDER HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 17TH, 2024.
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.>> MS. GIBSON, COULD YOU GIVE US JUST A LITTLE RUNDOWN OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE STATUS OF BOARD MEMBERSHIP RIGHT NOW.
>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEVERAL ABSENCES THIS EVENING.
MEMBER KOSACK AND MEMBER POZZETTA ARE ABSENT THIS EVENING.
WE'VE HAD TWO RESIGNATIONS WITHIN THE PAST MONTH.
ONE OF THE VACANCIES HAS NOW BEEN FILLED BY NEW MEMBER PSULKOWSKI.
WHICH LEAVES US WITH ONE OPENING PRESENTLY.
>> AND THERE HAS BEEN A VOTE ALREADY ON THE CITY COMMISSION ABOUT THE OTHER?
>> NO. THE MOST RECENT RESIGNATION OCCURRED THIS PAST MONDAY.
>> I JUST WANTED AN EXPLANATION GIVEN ABOUT WHY I THINK I'M SO BIG TO BE SITTING IN THIS CHAIR.
[LAUGHTER] IT WAS NOT MY IDEA.
PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
OF ALLEGIANCE] I'M GOING TO ASK IF ANY BOARD MEMBER HAS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DISCLOSE. MEMBER BRYNES?
>> I HAVE WORKED WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE FIRST CASE BEFORE, SO I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FOR THE FIRST.
>> WITH MEMBER PSULKOWSKI RECUSING HIMSELF FROM THAT CASE, HOW MANY VOTES DOES THAT NEED AMONG US?
I KNOW YOU DON'T FEEL WELL, BUT COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL.
>> I CAN. I DON'T HAVE THE BEST VOICE BUT I WILL DO MY BEST.
[LAUGHTER] MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE NOT, ALL THREE OF THE CASES TONIGHT, ITEMS 4.1, 4.2, AND 4.3 WILL BE CONDUCTED AS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE MEMBERS SITTING UP HERE TONIGHT OF OUR HDC ARE ACTING AS JUDGES IN THE CASE.
THE PARTIES IN THE CASE ARE THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.
EARLIER, WHEN CHAIR FILKOFF ASKED FOR EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, SHE WAS SAYING DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH ONE OF THE PARTIES WITHOUT ALL OF THE PARTIES PRESENT? HAVING CONVERSATION WITH CITY STAFF IS AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.
HAVING CONVERSATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER IS EX PARTE.
HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER'S AGENT IS ALSO EX PARTE.
HAVING COMMUNICATION WITH SOME OTHER CITIZEN IN TOWN IS NOT EX PARTE.
HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH AN AFFECTED PARTY, WHICH MEANS ALL OF YOU THAT ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY ARE AFFECTED PARTIES IN OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU CAN TESTIFY.
YOU'RE NOT LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU GET TO SPEAK, I'M NOT GOING TO SET A TIMER ON YOU, AND YOU ARE INTRODUCING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IN THE CASE.
PARTIES AND AFFECTED PARTIES CAN CALL WITNESSES, AND THEY CAN CROSS EXAMINE EACH OTHER, EACH OTHER'S WITNESSES, AND SO FORTH.
IT IS LIKE A COURT HEARING, BUT MORE INFORMAL.
WITH THAT, EACH OF THE CASES WILL COME UP FOR A VOTE AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY HAS BEEN TAKEN.
THE CHAIR WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE AND VOTE.
THE BOARD CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME OF ANY OF THE PARTIES, AFFECTED PARTIES DURING THE HEARING.
AS MUCH AS I'M TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURE, THESE ARE GOING TO BE, I SUSPECT, A PRETTY SHORT HEARING, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO GO ON LIKE A LONG COURT HEARING.
IF ANY OF THE DECISIONS TONIGHT ARE TO BE APPEALED BY AFFECTED PARTIES, OR PARTIES, THOSE APPEALS HAVE TO BE FILED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE WRITTEN DECISION OF THE BOARD.
THAT WRITTEN DECISION IS USUALLY SIGNED BY THE CHAIR WITHIN 3-5 BUSINESS DAYS OF THE HEARING.
ABOUT 35 DAYS FROM NOW, THAT'S THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR APPEALING THE DECISION.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE TWO CASES, LIKE IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WINDOWS,
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OR YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OLD TOWN STREETS, THAT'S NOT.>> SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN FOR.
>> RIGHT. CHAIR FILKOFF WILL ASK FOR WHOEVER WISHES TO SPEAK, AND THAT MEANS IN ANY OF THE CASES AT ANY TIME, WE DO HAVE ONE TIME, AND YOU WISH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY TO BE HEARD, THEN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, TAKE AN OATH.
THAT'S FOR JUST THE THREE CASES.
THE THIRD CASE TO THE CITY CASE, THAT WILL BE A REGULAR CASE AS WELL.
WHEN THE DISCUSSION ITEMS COME UP, IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT, YOU DON'T NEED TO STAND AT ALL.
YOU'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
>> I'M TOLD WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MINUTES TO APPROVE. IS THAT A TRUE STATEMENT?
>> OKAY. NEW BUSINESS THEN, ITEM 4.1.
[4.1 HDC 2024-0024 - RICE ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR ROBERT MCKENZIE, 232 S. 7TH STREET]
LET ME JUST INTERRUPT MYSELF TO SAY THAT IF YOU DO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING, THERE ARE FORMS OVER THERE AT THE DOOR THAT YOU SHOULD BE FILLING OUT SO THAT WE CAN CAPTURE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS INFORMATION.JUST PUT THEM IN THAT BASKET NEXT TO MS. GIBSON.
YOU WILL BE ASKED IF YOU'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL CASES.
YOU WILL BE ASKED THERE NEXT TO STAND SO THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE THE OATH FROM CITY STAFF.
THERE'S NO ONE HERE TO TALK ABOUT? THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT CASES HDC2024, 24 AND 25?
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND/OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> CASE OVERVIEW, HDC2024-0024 232 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET. MS. GIBSON.
>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, ALL THE REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID, AND ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE PRIOR TO THIS HEARING.
THIS APPLICATION IS MATERIALS, AND THE STAFF REPORT HAVE BEEN MADE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE HEARING ITSELF.
I'M GOING TO JUST BRIEFLY PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE REQUESTED IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN THE BOARD CAN GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
I DO HAVE THE APPLICATION MATERIALS HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT ANY OF THEM ON THE SCREEN.
BUT THEY ARE, OF COURSE, ALL PROVIDED ONLINE AS WELL.
THE REQUESTED ACTION THIS EVENING FOR 232 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET IS MODIFICATION TO A HISTORIC PROPERTY, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, BUILT IN 1926, AND THE REQUEST IS TO INSTALL A NEW PAVED UNCOVERED PATIO AREA AND WATER FEATURE IN THE REAR YARD WITH REAR ENTRY INTO THAT SPACE TO KEEP THE SAME STREET FACADE AGAINST THE EXISTING GARAGE, BUT REPLACE THE MAIN DOOR AND GARAGE BASED ON THE DRAWINGS AND DETAILS PROVIDED, AND INCLUDING A PARTIAL WALL CUT AT THE REAR WALL ON THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CREATE A COVERED PATIO WITHIN THE EXISTING SPACE, AND MAKE BETTER USE OF THAT AREA ALL WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT.
THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL MINOR DETAILS PROVIDED IN THE OVERALL PLANS, INCLUDING A TRELLIS, AS WELL AS SOME PLANTER BOXES.
ALL OF THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN OUTLINED THOUGHTFULLY IN THE APPLICATION HERE.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING FINAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT THESE FEATURES, AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED THEM FOR CONSISTENCY, ALL OF THEIR REQUESTED IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE FERNANDINA BEACH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, DOWNTOWN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, AND FOUND THAT IT DOES COMPLY WITH THOSE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.
AS SUCH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED ITEMS. THESE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THE HEIGHT, SCALE, AND [INAUDIBLE] ALL SETBACKS, AND WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY EXPECT FOR MATERIALS ON A CHANGE SUCH AS THIS.
THEN I HAVE SOME OF THE DRAWINGS HERE FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION AS YOU GO THROUGH IT, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON?
>> I DO. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW I SENT AN EMAIL ABOUT THESE.
WHEN WAS THE GARAGE CONSTRUCTED?
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
>> ARE THE PROPOSED WINDOWS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE MAIN HOUSE, ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE,
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AND THE ONES THAT WERE RESTORED ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO? OR ARE THOSE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS?>> THERE'S, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, NOT WINDOW CHANGES HAPPENING AS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS PROVIDED.
>> THE PLANS DO NOTE WINDOWS BEING REMOVED.
>> ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
YES. THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE GARAGE DOOR AND THE MAIN DOOR.
>> PERHAPS IF WE COULD ASK WHOEVER'S PRESENTING THAT TO CLARIFY THAT.
>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON?
>> WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE.
I'M WITH RICE ARCHITECT HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH, AND I'M HERE TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> HOW ABOUT ANSWERING THAT ONE. ABOUT THE WINDOWS.
>> I COULDN'T QUITE MAKE OUT THE QUESTION.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR THE GARAGE BUILDING WAS BUILT?
WE DON'T HAVE RECORDS PRIOR TO THAT EVEN EXISTING.
>> THEN THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AND REPLACED ON THE MAIN HOUSE WHERE THE NEW, I THINK, DOUBLE DOORS AND STAIRS ARE BEING ADDED, ARE THOSE WINDOWS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE OR WERE THEY NEW WINDOWS THAT WERE INSTALLED AS PART OF THE RESTORATION PROJECT ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO?
>> I CAN'T RECALL. DID WE REQUEST THIS AT THAT TIME? I DON'T THINK WE DID.
THAT PART OF THE STRUCTURE WAS, AS WE OFTEN SEE IN THE SOUTH WITH CRACKER HOMES.
THIS IS NOT A CRACKER HOME, BUT THAT LANGUAGE, IT WAS A LITTLE ADD-ON PORCH.
THE WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE WERE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT PORCH WAS ADDED.
MY GUESS IS PROBABLY AROUND THAT 1960 ERA.
THERE WERE SOME ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT WERE THERE, BUT THE WINDOWS THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN ITS PLACE ARE APPROVED BASED ON WHAT WE HAD DONE LAST YEAR, AND MEET ALL THE CRITERIA THAT THE HDC SETS OUT FOR THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
>> I KNOW THAT THE NEW WINDOWS THAT WE'RE INSTALLING ARE COMPLIANT.
WE WILL REUSE WINDOWS AS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
THESE ARE NEW, BUT THEY'RE NEW ACCEPTED WINDOWS FOR [INAUDIBLE]
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE BEING REMOVED ARE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING OR NOT.
>> THOSE WINDOWS, THEY'RE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, AREN'T THEY? I BELIEVE THEY ARE. FORGIVE ME [INAUDIBLE]
>> THIS ENTIRE WING OF THE HOUSE RIGHT HERE WAS ESSENTIALLY LIKE A SUN PORCH.
THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE WOOD, SINGLE PANE WINDOWS. THESE WERE NOT.
THEY WERE ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT WERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME INSTALLED.
WHILE THEY MAY BE ORIGINAL, OR THEY WERE IN THE HOUSE, THEY WEREN'T ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE.
>> DO YOU WANT ANY MORE DISCUSSION YET, OR YOU WANT US [INAUDIBLE]
ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? COME FORWARD, SIR.
>> ROB PSULKOWSKI, PRESIDENT OF BUILT TO LAST CONSTRUCTION, 710 BEECH STREET.
JUST TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEY WERE ALUMINUM AWNING WINDOWS.
IT WAS A REAL HYBRID, AND IT WAS BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER WITH ALL ALUMINUM AWNING WINDOWS.
WHEN THEY CAME OUT, THEY WERE REPLACED WITH [INAUDIBLE] WINDOWS.
IN THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE ALSO [INAUDIBLE] WINDOWS.
>> I THINK THAT'S IT. THE ONLY THING, I SAW THIS AND I SAID, I'VE SEEN THIS SOMEWHERE BEFORE.
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AND IT'S 21 NORTH 2ND STREET.JOSE MIRANDA TOOK A BUILDING THAT REALLY DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE STANDING AND HE LEFT THE FACADE, THE HINT OF THE BUILDING.
THIS BUILDING, I KNOW WE DID THE CONSTRUCTION A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
THE BACK WALL IS ALL NEW BECAUSE TONY, THE PREVIOUS OWNER, IN ANTIQUITY HAD A CAR THAT DIDN'T FIT, SO TONY BUILT A BOX OUT HERE AND CUT THE LOWER HALF OF THE DOOR OFF.
IT'S A REAL HYBRID. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THESE PICTURES.
I'VE MADE A POINT NOT TO EVEN LOOK AT ANY DRAWINGS.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE REAL OPENING DOORS.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S A STEEL GARAGE DOOR THERE.
IT'S ONLY A YEAR OLD BUT THIS WILL LOOK A LOT BETTER.
>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DISCUSSION.
>> I THINK IT LOOKS SO. I REALLY DO. THE SCALE IS PERFECT.
>> I DON'T TAKE EXCEPTION AT ALL TO THE REPLACEMENT OF THE DOUBLE DOORS, OR THE SINGLE MAIN DOOR.
I THINK THE WINDOW BOXES ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IT'S A NICE ADDITION.
I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS IN THE DESIGN AND TO OPENING UP THE SPACE INTO A PATIO SPACE.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, IT FEELS LIKE, SORRY FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A HOLLYWOOD FACADE ON IT WHEN YOU'RE TAKING DOWN ESSENTIALLY THREE QUARTERS OF THE GARAGE AND JUST LEAVING THE ROOF IN PLACE.
I AM REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THAT AS AN ARCHITECT.
I APPRECIATE THAT IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY HISTORIC, IT'S 1960S, BUT I THINK IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
FROM THE FRONT, I THINK THE SIDE ELEVATION, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE A LOVELY ADDITION.
BUT I THINK IF THERE'S A WAY TO RETAIN MORE OF THAT GARAGE, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE ON THE SITE.
THEN ON A SMALLER SIDE NOTE, AND I'M BEING REALLY PICKY ABOUT THIS, BUT THE ARCHED PARALLEL THING ON THE TRELLIS, ON 7TH STREET, WITH A CRAFTSMAN STYLE BUILDING, THAT CURVED ARCH, IT BOTHERS ME, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
>> MR. AIKINS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS ON THE GARAGE? IS THERE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE?
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD PRESERVED THOSE.
>> WHICH PRESENT A THREE DIMENSIONAL VIEW OF THE PROJECT.
I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR COMING DOWN THE STREET.
WE ACTUALLY TOOK PAINS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU MENTIONED WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, THAT IT DIDN'T JUST BECOME A SMALL FACADE WHICH IS WHY WE TOOK THE TURN HERE, AND INSTALLED A WINDOW ON THAT SIDE.
GO BACK TO THAT OTHER PICTURE IF WE CAN.
>> AS YOU SEE COMING DOWN THE STREET, WE WERE REALLY SENSITIVE TO THAT.
IN FACT, THE FENCE AND EXTENDING THE YARD FORWARD A BIT WAS ALSO IN RESPONSE TO THAT SO THAT WE DIDN'T LEAVE THIS HAVING THE APPEARANCE OF A FACADE.
I HEARD ROBBIE MENTION THAT BUT JOSE HAD DONE THAT, LEFT A FACADE, BUT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, IF WE COULD PULL UP A PLAN VIEW, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WHAT WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE IS THIS.
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I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY CAN SEE, BUT HERE THE EXISTING DOOR IS A DILAPIDATED, FAIRLY NEW DOOR.WE'RE GOING TO TURN THIS INTO A STORAGE PLACE AND SO IT IS MAINTAINING A BUILDING.
THERE'S A STRUCTURE HERE, AND A USE FOR IT.
A USE THAT IS GOOD FOR THE CLIENTS AND FOR THE PROPERTY.
IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS I UNDERSTAND YOUR SENSIBILITIES TO THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST URGE, ENCOURAGE, AND ASK FOR PASSAGE BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN GREAT PAINS TO NOT DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE AFTER.
BECAUSE I LIKE THERE TO BE SOME INTEGRITY TO WHAT'S LEFT ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I THINK YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB ON TRYING TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT A VERY GOOD ASSET TO THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A WHOLE LOT BETTER, A WHOLE LOT MORE USABLE.
THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, I'D RATHER POSTPONE THIS.
>> MAYBE COME BACK WITH SOMETHING.
>> YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR ROLE TO DESIGN SOMETHING.
I THINK THIS FITS WITHIN THE FLAVOR OF THE DOWNTOWN.
>> I'M FINE WITH IT, AND I'D HATE TO SEE YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A YES VOTE FROM ME, BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THREE VOTES, AND THERE'S ONLY THREE OF US.
>> WOULD YOU PREFER THAT IT BE BROUGHT BACK?
>> I'D PREFER IT BE BROUGHT BACK.
>> IN AS MUCH AS THE BOARD IS NOT ENGAGING IN DESIGN HERE, AND WE ARE TASKED WITH REDESIGNING THIS ACCORDING TO SOME THOUGHTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE GUIDANCE THAT WE COULD PLUG INTO THIS?
>> WITHOUT DESIGNING IT AND I WOULD LIKE TOO.
>> I TRULY DO APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BUT IT FEELS FAKE TO ME BECAUSE OF THE EAST WALL BEING TOTALLY IN PLACE AND THEN RETURNING IT TO THE BACK.
NOT THAT I'M PROPOSING TAKING THE GARAGE DOWN IN ITS ENTIRETY AT ALL, BUT SOMEHOW IT EITHER NEEDS TO FEEL MORE SUBSTANTIAL, OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE RIGHT THING IS TO TAKE DOWN THE EAST WALL.
I THINK IT'S ODD THAT IT'S JUST THIS LITTLE SHELL OF [NOISE] A SPACE THAT'S LEFT OVER. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
>> WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM DIRECTION.
>> WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE END RESULT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF HOW IT WOULD FIT WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU MENTIONED, ETC. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
>> I THINK IT FELT MORE SUBSTANTIAL ON THE WEST SIDE.
I THINK IT WOULD READ A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I DON'T KNOW IF MORE OF THAT CORNER STAYS.
>> THAT WOULD BE RETURNING THIS WALL FURTHER [INAUDIBLE]
>> MORE SUBSTANTIAL CORNER WHERE IT SAYS NEW 6 BY 6 PAINTED WHITE TO MATCH EXISTING.
>> AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING WITHIN A PROPERTY HERE WHERE THE GOAL IS A VERY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
>> TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE. I REALIZE IT'S TIGHT.
>> GIVE HIM SOME LIVABLE SPACE IN THEIR HOME, AND THEIR YARD.
THE STREET VIEW OF THIS, YOU DO GET THIS SENSE THAT THIS HAS BEEN OPENED UP AS MORE OF A PLAZA PIECE.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AGREE TO SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK? I FEEL WE'RE THIS FAR AWAY, MAYBE,
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[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE REDESIGNING THE WHOLE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO DEFEAT THE PURPOSE.>> I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE A REDESIGN OF THE WHOLE STRUCTURE, BUT I THINK THE NORTHWEST CORNER JUST NEEDS TO BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
>> THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE GARAGE WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT NEW [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO SEEM MORE LIKE A BUILDING THAN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO HANG ON TO THAT FRONT FACADE IN ORDER TO NOT CHANGE THE [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS THE GARAGE NOT COME DOWN, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS IS BEING PROPOSED, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK.
>> YEAH. WE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE GARAGE DOWN.
IN PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THIS, THE OWNERS HAD WANTED TO TAKE THE GARAGE DOWN.
THEY HAD RECEIVED SOME NEWS THAT THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO THE EXISTING WOOD, AND SO WE WERE LIKE, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THE THING DOWN BUT THE HDC WOULD NOT LET THEM, OR DENIED THAT.
LET'S COME BACK HERE. AGAIN, THIS WHOLE FRONTAGE GETS IMPROVED.
WHAT WE DID BEFORE, THERE WAS AN OLD [INAUDIBLE] STICKING OFF THE SIDE, AND WE ACTUALLY DEMOLISHED THAT.
>> FROM THIS VIEW, IT'S GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IMPROVED DOORS HERE, AND AN IMPROVED DOOR HERE.
IN FACT, THIS DOOR IS GOING TO MATCH THESE DOORS.
IT GIVES THE BUILDING A PRESENCE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE NOW.
THEN, KELLY, WE HAD A 3D VIEW OF THE BACKYARD, I THINK.
>> I THINK ALL OF THESE SHOW THAT VERY WELL.
GO BACK TO THAT OTHER ONE AS WELL.
THE IDEA HERE BEING THAT WE'RE CAREFUL TO WANT TO ANCHOR THAT CORNER.
IN FACT, THIS USED TO BE A PORCH.
THIS ISN'T OUT OF THE VERNACULAR FOR WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
IT'S JUST ADDRESSING IT IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
THEN DOWN BACK TO THAT NEXT PICTURE.
>> I THINK THAT CORNER NEEDS TO BE ANCHORED MORE.
IT NEEDS TO BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
>> DOES THAT MEAN TWO FEET ON BOTH SIDES? [OVERLAPPING]. I WONDER IF WE COULD BORROW FROM SOME OF THE MASS THAT WE HAVE ON THOSE STEPS AND GIVE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BASE THAT IT WOULD NOT ENCROACH.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT ENCROACHING IN SIGHT LINES, SO I WOULD WANT TO KEEP IT LOW, BUT THAT WOULD FIT INTO THAT GIVING IT A MASS.
>> WE WILL REDRAW THAT AND REPRESENT THAT WHEN WE GO TO PERMIT, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.
>> I KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS CLOSED, BUT I'M HEARING THAT THE APPLICANT OWNER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD WOULD WISH TO RE-OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ALLOW FOR THAT.
>> HI. MY NAME IS STACY MCKENZIE.
MY HUSBAND, ROBERT, AND I OWN THE PROPERTY HERE.
THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED US WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THE HOUSE WITH THAT PORCH EDITION, YOU'VE GOT MAYBE SIX FEET, AND THEN YOU SEE A WALL OF A GARAGE.
[LAUGHTER] IT'S JUST VERY UNATTRACTIVE AND UNAPPEALING, REALLY CUTS OFF THE SIGHT LINES.
THE OTHER THING THAT REALLY BOTHERED US IS WHEN THAT IS A COMPLETE GARAGE, IT'S BASICALLY TWO COMPLETE SEPARATE BACKYARDS.
YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE STRIP OF SIX FEET OR SO, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC TREE HERE, A HERITAGE TREE.
ABSOLUTELY NO VISUAL CONNECTION.
YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE
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TO THEN ACTUALLY SEE THAT THERE'S A YARD AT ALL.THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY BOTHERED US.
I WILL SAY, ORIGINALLY, WE WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN, BUILD SOMETHING THAT LOOKED SIMILAR, THAT HAD A FIRMER FOUNDATION, AND ACTUALLY DO A CARRIAGE HOUSE ON TOP THAT NEVER EVEN CAME UP FOR A VOTE OR A DESIGN.
WE WERE TOLD IT WAS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, WHICH IS REALLY HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHEN I SEE SO MANY OF THEM HERE IN DOWNTOWN THAT HAVE THE CARRIAGE HOUSES AND THE GARAGE UNDERNEATH, WHETHER IT'S BRAND NEW OR WHETHER IT'S BEEN RENOVATED.
WE WERE TRYING TO SPLIT THE BABY AND DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK.
IF IT'S UP TO ME, I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FACT THAT THE ROOF ISN'T EQUAL.
THAT ONE SIDE IS SHORTER THAN THE OTHER.
IF WE COULD TEAR IT DOWN, WE'D DO SOMETHING A LOT BETTER THAN THIS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU WALK INTO OUR HOUSE, IT'S COMPLETELY OPEN ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.
FAMILY ROOM, DINING ROOM, KITCHEN, THIS LITTLE MUD ROOM PORCH AREA.
ALL YOU SEE IS A WALL OF WHITE WOOD.
BY THE WAY, IT'S INFESTED WITH TERMITES, SO MUCH SO, THERE'S ONE OF THOSE LITTLE STORAGE LEDGES UP IN THE BACK, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET UP THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND $3,000 TO BOMB IT FOR TERMITES.
WE WOULD RATHER TEAR IT DOWN AND DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAST LONGER, THAT'S HIGHER QUALITY.
THE GARAGE ITSELF, YOU CANNOT FIT A CAR IN.
IT'S NON-FUNCTIONING AS A GARAGE.
THOSE WERE THE REASONS WHY WE WENT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
BUT IF WE'RE ALLOWED, WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND DESIGN SOMETHING THAT LOOKS A WHOLE LOT BETTER, AND IS MORE USEFUL AND FUNCTIONAL.
WE STILL WANT SOME COVERED OUTDOOR SPACE, OR SOME OUTDOOR SPACE, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT THAT VIEW FROM THE INSIDE TO BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE AND NOT FEEL LIKE YOU'RE WALKING RIGHT INTO A WALL.
THEN WE WANT TO CONNECT THE TWO SECTIONS OF THE BACKYARD.
BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S UP TO ME, I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT EVEN.
WE'VE GOT, I THINK, FIVE FEET OF SETBACK THAT WE COULD USE IF WE PUT UP A NEW GARAGE.
THAT WOULD MAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WERE TOLD IT WASN'T EVEN AN OPTION.
>> WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THE IDEA?
>> I WAS ONLY GIVEN THIS PROPOSAL TO EVALUATE AS PART OF THE BOARD'S REVIEW THIS EVENING.
I HAVE NOT EVALUATED A CARRIAGE HOUSE OR ANY OTHER DESIGN, ONLY THIS.
>> WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ON A 1960 TERMITE INFESTED STRUCTURE IN A NON-HISTORIC AREA?
>> I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE BOARD HAS ALLOWED FOR NEW CARRIAGE HOUSES TO BE PUT IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT THROUGHOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND OTHER GARAGES IN A SIMILAR CONDITION TO BE REMOVED.
>> I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS, IF THIS IS A NOT CONTRIBUTING 1960 TERMITE INFESTED, WHO ON STAFF WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT DOWN?
>> NOT ANYONE WHO'S PRESENTLY WORKING HERE.
>> IF WE WERE TO TELL YOU ALL THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DISCUSS FURTHER WITH MS. GIBSON, WOULD YOU BE ALL RIGHT WITH THAT BEING DELAYED UNTIL THEN?
>> YES. THAT WAS THE WHOLE ORIGINAL IDEA.
AGAIN, IT WOULD LOOK SO MUCH BETTER.
>> WE GET THAT. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.
>> NO, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
>> I THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE FRONT OF THAT HOUSE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY NOT KNOW, THIS WAS A FERREIRA HOME, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF TAKING OUT THAT RICK IN THE FRONT, AND WE DIDN'T LET THEM DO THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR VALUING IT.
>> I DO HAVE AN INTERESTING STORY TO TELL ABOUT THAT VERY BRIEFLY.
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>> YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE.
>> WHILE SHE'S WALKING UP, IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION, BECAUSE THE APPLICATION DOES INVOLVE SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WOULD THE BOARD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THEM MOVING FORWARD ON THOSE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FACADE?
>> THE PATIO WINDOW SEALS THAT [OVERLAPPING] TOGETHER.
>> I THINK WE WANT TO DESIGN THE PORCH BEFORE YOU FINALIZE THE OUTSIDE PATIO.
>> I'M SAYING TO THE FRONT BECAUSE THERE WERE OTHER CHANGES ON THE PRIMARY HOUSE THAT THEY WERE SEEKING TO MAKE, WOULD THE BOARD WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT PIECE OF IT?
>> I'M FINE NOT HAVING THE TRELLIS ARCH THING.
I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE WINDOW BOXES, WHATEVER.
>> I THINK THE ARCH [OVERLAPPING] BACK AND REDESIGN THAT AND MAKE IT WORK.
>> MAKE IT ALL WORK TOGETHER WHENEVER THE PAVERS ARE PRESUMING THEY'RE PREVIOUS, THEY GO TO WORK WITH THE NEW DESIGN AND PARTIALLY APPROVE SOMETHING NOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU DESIGN THE ACTUAL GARAGE SPACE THAT YOU WANT.
>> INTERESTING STORY, IF YOU'LL GO BACK TO THE FRONT PICTURE OF THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET.
THAT LITTLE WALL THERE BETWEEN THE TWO COLUMNS AND THE ONE ON THE SIDE WERE THE ONES PREVIOUS OWNERS WANTED TO TAKE DOWN.
BACK IN THE '40S AND '50S BEFORE THERE WAS A FLORIST ON THE ISLAND, THE HOME OWNERS GREW FLOWERS IN THOSE, THEY WERE PLANTER BOXES, AND THAT'S WHAT SUPPLIED ALL THE FLOWERS TO OXLEY, THE FUNERAL HOME UNTIL A FLORIST CAME ONTO THE ISLAND.
WE WOULD NEVER WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO IT.
>> THAT STORY IS FROM CERVERA BURGESS, WHOSE MAIDEN NAME WAS FERREIRA.
THAT'S A FAMILY NAME IN THIS TOWN THAT IT MEANS A LOT TO HAVE A FERREIRA HOME STILL STANDING AND BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
THE DECISION MADE HERE, I BELIEVE, IS THAT WE POSTPONE A DECISION ON THIS UNTIL WE SEE DESIGNS FOR PERHAPS A CARRIAGE HOUSE, GARAGE, DEMOLITION.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ALLOWED FROM STAFF.
>> YOU WILL NEED TO EVALUATE IT AGAINST YOUR CRITERIA FOR DEMOLITION AS PART OF THE BOARD'S REVIEW.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL COME IN AND BE ANALYZED WHEN THAT'S PROPOSED.
AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD BE EITHER THE APPLICANT WITHDRAWING THE APPLICATION AS IT IS PROPOSED OR POSTPONING IT TO A TIME CERTAIN DATE WITH SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE.
GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO WITHDRAW THE PRESENT APPLICATION UNLESS THERE WAS ACTION ON ANY OF THE OTHER PIECES.
>> THE WITHDRAWING AND RESCHEDULE WHEN YOU'RE READY. IS THAT GOOD?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE AND LISTENING.
WE'RE ON NOW TO CASE 2024-0025.
[4.2 HDC 2024-0025 - RICE ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR TEIXEIRA DAVID LIVING TRUST, 509 BEECH STREET]
WE'RE LOOKING AT 509 BEECH STREET, AND THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. HELLO, MR. RICE.>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE THE CASE, AND THEN WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND THEIR AGENT AS WELL.
OKAY. AGAIN, ALL THE REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, ALL FEES PAID, AND ALL NOTICES MADE.
THE APPLICATION ITSELF, AS WELL AS THE STAFF REPORT, INCLUDING THE ANALYSIS OF THE CASE, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED ONLINE AND ARE MADE PART OF THE PACKET OF MATERIALS FOR THE HEARING THIS EVENING.
TONIGHT, THERE IS CONSIDERATION AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL ONLY WHICH IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF REVIEW THAN THAT FOR FINAL.
WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE FINAL DETAILS.
WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE MATERIAL SELECTIONS, COLOR CHOICES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
CONCEPTUAL ONLY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AND SOME GUIDANCE FOR WHEN THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO COME FORWARD AT A FINAL REVIEW TIME FRAME.
THIS IS FOR A PROPERTY, A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 509 BEECH STREET WITH AN APPROXIMATE YEAR BUILT IN 1930.
THE REQUESTED ACTION IS TO DEMOLISH A SECTION OF A PRIOR ADDITION, AND THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THE TIMING OF THAT ADDITION, TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SUBSTANTIAL LIVING SPACE TO THE REAR OF THAT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND TO REMOVE AN EXISTING SCREEN ENCLOSURE.
THE INTENT IS TO CREATE AN ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE
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LOCATED AT THE BACK AND SIDE OF THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY JUST OVER 1,000 SQUARE FEET, ALMOST 1,100 SQUARE FEET, AS WELL AS CREATING A COURTYARD AREA AND THEN A NEW ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LOCATED TO ITS EAST, I BELIEVE.THE INTENT IS TO CREATE A U-TYPE OF STRUCTURE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT, NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS PHOTO, BUT IN SOME OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS, WHERE THE PRIMARY HOME REMAINS THE DOMINANT FEATURE AND THE MAIN FACADE.
THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WOULD BE SET BACK APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET FROM THE PRIMARY FACADE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, BUT MORE WITH THE ALIGNMENT OF STRUCTURES YOU SEE ALONG THAT BEECH STREET BLOCK FACE.
IT'S NOT FULLY SET BACK BEHIND THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
AS IT WAS ADVERTISED, THERE WAS A POOL INITIALLY INCLUDED IN THE CONCEPTUAL REVIEW.
WE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT DETAILS TO EVEN REALLY GO THROUGH THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM STAFF ANALYSIS.
IT MAY RETURN AT A LATER POINT POTENTIALLY WITH THE FINAL REVIEW.
THIS GIVES A BETTER SENSE OF THE EFFECT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE HERE, THE ADDITION AND ITS CONNECTION TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THE COURTYARD AREA IN BETWEEN AND THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO STRUCTURES AS IT GOES FROM THAT IN BETWEEN TO THE ADDITIONS.
STAFF HAS ANALYZED THE PROPOSAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND DOES FIND THAT THE PROPOSAL IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED FOR THE STRUCTURE AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET.
IT IS LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH NOT ENTIRELY AT THE REAR.
IT IS MOVED BACK FROM THAT FRONT FACADE TO ALLOW FOR THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO KEEP THAT PROMINENCE IN CONTEXT WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AT A FINAL APPROVAL TIME FRAME, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WILL NEED TO SEE, INCLUDING DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ADDITION AND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, ALL THE SPECIFIC MATERIAL CHOICES.
WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS NOT HVAC UNITS LOCATED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DETAILED, AND AN OVERALL SITE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA CALCULATION TO ENSURE THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS.
AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, AND FOR THE BOARD'S INITIAL REVIEW AND FEEDBACK, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THEM TO TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEP.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON?
>> ON THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURE, AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 650 OR LESS?
>> SIX HUNDRED AND TWENTY-FIVE SQUARE FEET.
>> IT IS JUST UNDER THAT, I BELIEVE.
>> I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
[NOISE] I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT PROVIDING THAT AS PART OF THE INITIAL REVIEW.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 21 BY 24, SO IT IS UNDER THE 625.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MS. GIBSON? WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD, MR. RICE?
>> GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO GIVE THAT TO YOU?
>> YEAH, AS LONG AS THERE'S ONE FOR ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND I THINK ONE FOR STAFF TEAM.
>> THIS ALLUDES A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE POOL OFFENSE, INFORMATION IS RIGHT ON THERE.
YOU'RE HOPING TO END UP WITH [INAUDIBLE].
>> THANK YOU. WE'LL KEEP FOR THE RECORD.
>> WE WANT TO SHOW THE POOL INFORMATION PARTLY BECAUSE THE POOL HAS TO GET IN PLAY BEFORE WE BUILD EVERYTHING ELSE, SO NEED TO LOOK AT IT ALL AS A COMPUTER.
JUST TO START FROM THE BEGINNING A LITTLE BIT, THE EXISTING HOUSE WE THINK WAS BUILT IN THE TINS WITH TWO ADDITIONS.
THE MAIN HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE TINS, WE BELIEVE WE'RE KEEPING EVERY PART OF THAT HOUSE.
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IT LOOKS LIKE SOME KIND OF OUTBUILDING THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN JOINED UP TO THIS BUILDING SOMETIME IN THE '30S OR SOMETHING.THEN THERE IS A SCREENED PORCH AREA THAT WAS BUILT TO REPLICATE DETAIL-WISE, THE FRONT PORCH AND SUCH.
THAT WAS BUILT, WE THINK IN 1997, AND WE'RE MOVING THAT AS WELL.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING THE ADDITION IS DESIGNED IN BOTH OF THESE VERSIONS HERE, IF YOU WILL, WE'LL JUST WORK WITH THIS ONE FOR A SECOND.
CREATING A MORE OF A MASS OVER THE BACK WING BACK BEHIND THE EXISTING HOUSE WOULD BE SORT OF A LARGER MIRRORED ELEMENT THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING HOUSE WITH LOWER PORCH-LIKE ELEMENTS SURROUNDING THAT AND CONNECTING IT TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS KEEP THE MASS OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AS PURE AS WE CAN, AND THEN COMING IN WITH SOME LOWER ROOF LINES AND THEN BUILDING IN OUR NEW PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE WITH SOME I WOULDN'T SAY A STATEMENT, BUT JUST A PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE THAT MAKES SENSE WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT.
[INAUDIBLE] KELLY WORKED WELL WITH THE ADU.
THE AREA OF THE ADU, INCLUDING THE PORCHES AND SUCH, IS I THINK 622 SQUARE FEET, SO WE'RE AWARE OF THAT RULE, AND WHATEVER WE SUBMIT TO THE CITY WOULD BE LESS THAN THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM WITH GARAGES UNDERNEATH.
THERE IS A POWER POLE ON THE SITE.
IN THIS LAST DOCUMENT, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DID ADD THAT LOCATION FOR THAT POLE.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR APPROACH IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HONOR THE ORIGINAL HOME.
I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK HERE, BUT I THINK ALL THE TREES THAT ARE THERE ON THE SITE REMAIN INTACT.
THEN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A NICE ADU HOUSE COURTYARD APPROACH THAT CAN ADD TO THE STREETSCAPE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I KNOW THAT THE OWNERS ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING SOMETHING THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENT, NOT SIMPLY THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE SITE ITSELF.
THE ONLY MAIN HIGHLIGHT, PERHAPS GO TO PAGE B 2.3.1, AND YOU'LL SEE A NEW SIDE ELEVATION WHERE WE WERE SWINGING THE BACK DOOR TO LOOK TO THE POOL INSTEAD OF LOOKING TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
THEN SOMEWHERE NEAR THERE IS A FRONT ELEVATION.
TRY TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBER ON THAT. SHOULD BE 22.
THEN B 2.2, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SMALLER WINDOWS, KITCHEN WINDOWS, WOULD BE FACING THE STREET.
YOU HAVE TO SORT OF PICTURE THIS BEHIND A PICKET FENCE AND BACK IN A YARD, THIS IS RIGHT UP ON THE STREET FACE, SO WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY COMPETING WITH THAT FRONT PORCH OF THE HOUSE. WITH THAT.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THE DESIGN WORKS WELL.
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE KEEPING THE ADDITION.
IT FEELS SEPARATE ENOUGH FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
MY HOPE IS THAT WHEN WE SEE THE FINAL DOCUMENTS, THERE'S ENOUGH OF A DIFFERENTIATION SO THAT YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION AS OPPOSED TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WITH THE MASSING SO I THINK THAT THAT WORKS WELL.
I'M GLAD YOU ADDED THE UTILITY POLE BECAUSE AS SOON AS I DROVE BY THERE I'M LIKE, YES THIS POTENTIALLY IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU DIDN'T SHIFT THE DRIVEWAY OVER A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK IT WORKS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THAT BACK PORCH ON THE WEST SIDE WAS ADDED IN THE 1990S OR SOMETHING.
>> WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THAT.
>> ANYONE ELSE? [OVERLAPPING].
>> ARE THERE ANY EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE EXISTING THAT ARE BEING DEMOED OR POSSIBLY REUSED IN THE NEW?
>> THAT BACK AREA IS WHERE THAT OLD CONNECTION IS, SO WE'RE RECONNECTING THE SAME SPOT.
I'LL VERIFY THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT I'M NOT 99% SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKEN OUT OF IT.
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>> OTHER THAN THE WINDOWS, FOR THE PARTS THAT YOU'RE DEMOLISHING, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT COULD BE REUSED?
>> THE CONTRACTOR'S HERE TONIGHT.
I DID ASK HIM TO REVIEW THE BUILDING TO SEE IF THERE WERE PIECES THAT WE COULD USE, AND WE'RE SENSITIVE TO Y'ALL WANTING US TO REUSE THOSE, AND WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ANYTHING YET THAT WE CAN REUSE.
SOME OF THE THINGS FROM THE 1997 BUILDING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REUSE, BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP THE CASE VERY MUCH.
WE'LL TRY TO REPORT BACK TO YOU ONE MORE TIME ON THAT TO SEE IF THERE'S A CREATIVE THING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT, WHETHER IT'S EVEN DECKING ON THE NEW PORCH OR SOMETHING.
>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, [INAUDIBLE], HOW DID YOU DETERMINE THAT 1930 WAS THE CONSTRUCTION DATE?
>> WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT DATES ON THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE SITE PLAN.
IT SEEMED LIKE THE DATE ON THAT WAS FROM THE 30S.
THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER MAPS AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, IT WAS DEFINITELY BEFORE THE 30S, AND SO WHEN YOU LOOKED INTO THE BACK AREA THAT WE'RE TAKING, THE MOLDING WAS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
IT WAS A LITTLE CLUNKIER, IT WASN'T DONE WITH THE SAME HAND.
THAT'S A HYPOTHESIS THAT THOSE WERE THE DATES, BUT THAT'S THE BEST THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE.
THE DATE THAT WE HAD WAS LATER, I THINK.
>> OKAY. THE SANDBORN MAPS, JUST FYI, THE SANDBORN MAPS FROM 1909 DO HAVE A STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY.
THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL IF IT'S THIS ONE OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS A STRUCTURE THERE [INAUDIBLE] PRIOR.
ANY OTHER FOR DISCUSSION? NO? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO GIVE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO THIS ITEM? OH, I FORGOT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS JOB.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW? NO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0025 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AS PART OF THE RECORD.
THE HDC CASE 2024-0025 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLYING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LINE OF BUILDING CODE, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINE TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. MOTION BY MEMBER POYNTER AND SECOND BY MEMBER BRYNES.
[4.3 HDC 2024-0026 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, WATERFRONT PARK]
WE MOVE NOW TO BOARD BUSINESS WITH WINDOW MANUFACTURERS PRESENTING TO US.>> WE'VE ONLY TALKED ABOUT IT FOR 45 YEARS.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE I WAS BORN.
THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE ON THIS, IS THE CITY.
MR. GLISSON. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW? I'M SORRY.
>> I'D BE HAPPY TO IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO.
>> YEAH, JEREMIAH GLISSON, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND I WILL I'LL PUT TO KELLY, SHE CAN PULL UP SOME IMAGES OF THE WATERFRONT PARK.
AS MENTIONED, IT'S BEEN MANY YEARS IN THE MAKING.
LAST MEETING, Y'ALL GAVE FORMAL APPROVAL.
THE BOARD GAVE FORMAL APPROVAL FOR THE FACILITIES WITHIN THAT PROJECT, AND WE ARE WRAPPING UP THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS FOR THAT, AND WE'LL GO OUT FOR BID SOON.
THE PARK ITSELF IS ALREADY OUT FOR BID, AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ELEMENTS IN THE PARK THAT WE WOULD WANT YOUR FINAL APPROVAL ON.
OF COURSE, YOU'VE SEEN THE CONCEPTS THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE BOARD BEFORE, BUT I WAS REALIZED THAT FINAL APPROVAL WASN'T GRANTED BY HDC.
SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PARK WOULD BE USED THAT WOULD MATCH OUR EXISTING ELEMENTS, BENCHES, GARBAGE CANS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE LIGHTING IS A DESIGN BUILD, BUT WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THE LIGHTING THAT WOULD BE USED IN THE PARK,
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WHICH WOULD MATCH WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN OR ALONG THE WATERFRONT THAT WE HAVE HERE NOW, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CHANGING THE LIGHTING TOO IN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN, AND THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU ALL HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT MEETING TO LOOK AT THOSE 9% DRAWINGS TO LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PROJECT AT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO GO WITH THAT.THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS OF THE WATERFRONT PARK, AS MENTIONED, THE PAVILION AND THE RESTROOMS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THOSE ARE THE TWO VERTICAL STRUCTURES.
THE ARTWORK AREAS WHERE IT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE BID DOCUMENTS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE TAKEN TO PRAC, PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ALL AS WELL FOR REVIEW.
WE KNOW ART IS GOING TO BE A FUN ONE, RATHER SUBJECTIVE MATERIAL.
BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK FOR REVIEW FOR SUGGESTIONS, IDEAS, CONCEPTS, AND THEN HOPEFULLY FINAL APPROVAL.
THEN WE COULD BRING THAT INTO THE PARK CONSTRUCTION AT ANY TIME.
THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST ART THAT CAN BE DROPPED OR FIXED IN PLACE.
THIS IS PROBABLY A FAMILIAR VIEW, ALTHOUGH NOT AS ORNATE AND PRETTY AS THE CONCEPT THAT WAS SHOWN TO YOU.
THE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA HAS YET TO BE DEFINED.
WHAT'S BEEN OUT FOR A BID ALTERNATE IS FOR A PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE THAT WAS IN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPTS OR A SPLASH PAD.
RIGHT NOW THE BID HAS A PROVISION FOR BOTH, AND I SUSPECT COSTS WILL MAKE THAT DETERMINING FACTOR OF WHAT'S AFFORDABLE.
THE LANDSCAPING HAS BEEN REVIEWED A NUMBER OF TIMES, LOOKING TO THE TREE FUND TO HELP FUND SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING ELEMENTS.
THE ONLY TWO ELEMENTS OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL BE A DESIGN-BUILD WHICH HASN'T BEEN ESTABLISHED YET WILL BE THE LIGHTING, AND THEN THE IRRIGATION.
THAT OF COURSE WILL GO IN DEPENDING ON HOW THE LANDSCAPING IS LAID OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THIS ONE?
>> ANY QUESTIONS? [BACKGROUND]. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?
>> NO. I'M PRELOADING HERE WHILE YOU ARE DELIBERATING ANOTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE'LL HAVE HERE IN A LITTLE WHILE.
OKAY. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR ON THIS TONIGHT, MS. GIBSON?
>> FINAL APPROVAL OF THE BOARD.
>> JUST A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FOR MR. GLISSON OR NOT, BUT WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THIS?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S BETWEEN DECEMBER AND APRIL.
>> OR SOMETHING YEAR AFTER THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A DEFINITE GO, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. GLISSON?
>> I UNDERSTAND YOUR RESERVATION, WHY YOU WANT TO HOLD YOUR BREATH TO YOU SEE IT.
WE ARE OUT FOR BID, AS MENTIONED, CONSTRUCTION'S SCHEDULED TO BEGIN AFTER THE [INAUDIBLE] OPEN HERE IN NOVEMBER, AND THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED, A 120-DAY PROJECT BEFORE SHRIMP FESTIVAL BECAUSE THIS MAY BE A NEW VENUE, WILL HOPEFULLY BE THE VENUE FOR SOME OF THEIR EVENTS.
WE'RE TRYING TO SPEED ALONG THE FACILITY ASPECTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD THE PARK AND THEN COME TO THE BUILDINGS AFTER SO WE'RE MOVING THAT ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT CAN BE DONE IN UNISON.
WE'VE HIRED GILLETTE ASSOCIATES TO HELP MANAGE THE PROJECT, AND WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
>> THERE IS FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT?
>> TWO MILLION DOLLARS IN RECREATION IMPACT FEES.
>> OKAY. THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL COMING FROM?
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0027 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKES THE FOLLOWING FINDING OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS PART OF THE LAW OF THE RECORD.
THE HDC CASE 2024-0027 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, [INAUDIBLE] SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MADAM CHAIR, PLEASE FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE.
>> OH, YEAH. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYBODY WANT TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS? EVERYBODY ELSE DOES.
NO COMMENTS. THAT YOU CALL THEM ALL?
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YOU ACTUALLY ARE THE FIRST TO GET APPROVAL TO BUILD A PARK.
>> THAT SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN PLAQUE, I THINK.
[5.1 Presentation: Window Manufacturers for Consideration on Approved Windows List (Part 1 of 2)]
>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS BOARD BUSINESS.
MS. GIBSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THIS TOPIC TO US, PLEASE?
THIS EVENING, THE BOARD HAS A PRESENTATION FROM TWO WINDOW MANUFACTURERS THAT WOULD LIKE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND DELIBERATION TO INCLUDE NEW WINDOW MATERIALS ON THE APPROVED WINDOWS LIST.
THE APPROVED WINDOWS LIST IS A LIST THAT THE BOARD VETS.
THE LAST TIME IT WAS REVIEWED AND ANYTHING ADDED TO IT WAS IN DECEMBER OF 2021.
IT'S BEEN SOME TIME AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES TO THE WINDOW TECHNOLOGY AS WELL AS MANUFACTURER NAMES, COMPANIES CHANGED HANDS OVER TIME, AND SO TWO SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS WHERE WINDOW MANUFACTURER WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT LINE AND CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, AS WELL AS A REQUEST CONSIDERATION FOR ADDITIONAL MATERIALS TO BE INCLUDED ON THE WINDOWS LIST.
IF THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH HEARING THE PRESENTATION, DELIBERATING ON IT, AND THEN LATER RECOMMENDING ANY CHANGES TO THAT LIST, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN BY A FORMAL VOTE HERE THIS EVENING.
>> IS THERE WILLINGNESS TO LOOK THROUGH THIS? WE DO HAVE I BELIEVE, TWO PRESENTATIONS FOR THIS EVENING.
I TRAVELED AND ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE PRODUCTS HERE AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND SEE FIRSTHAND.
>> WHAT I HAVE HERE IS MR. ROY WILLIAMS TO PRESENT SIERRA PACIFIC WINDOWS.
COULD YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE, SIR?
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> HI. MY NAME IS ROY WILLIAMS. I WORK FOR SIERRA PACIFIC WINDOWS.
I RESIDE AT 523 SAINT GIRONS COURT IN PUNTA GORDA.
I HAVE SOME LITERATURE. IS IT OKAY IF I PASS THEM OUT?
>> YOU'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT'S SPECIAL AND DIFFERENT ABOUT THESE WINDOWS?
[INAUDIBLE] JUST A LITTLE BIT.
ANYWAY, SIERRA PACIFIC WINDOWS, JUST TO BACK UP, INSIDE ON THE TOP LEFT, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS IS A NEWS RELEASE THAT WE PUT BACK OUT IN 2014.
THIS IS SIERRA PACIFIC PURCHASING HURD WINDOWS.
HURD WINDOWS IS ON YOUR APPROVED LIST FOR THE HISTORIC USE.
>> PRETTY MUCH ALL THE PRODUCT HASN'T CHANGED, AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PRODUCT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
>> YOU'RE STILL PROVIDING THE SAME WINDOWS THAT ARE ON OUR STANDARD?
>> YES. ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ENHANCED AS FAR AS BETTER WEATHER STRIPPING INCH AND THREE-QUARTER SASH NOW FOR BETTER GLASS AND WE HAVE COASTAL IMPACT GLASS AVAILABLE ON THE PRODUCTS.
REAL QUICK, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SIERRA PACIFIC WINDOWS.
SIERRA PACIFIC INDUSTRIES IS THE PARENT COMPANY, AND IT WAS STARTED BY ONE GENTLEMAN BACK PROBABLY ABOUT 80 YEARS AGO.
HE BUILT A BUSINESS UP FROM PRETTY MUCH NOTHING, AND IT'S A HEAVY BUSINESS ON THE LUMBER SIDE OF IT.
CURRENTLY, HE'S ABOUT 85 YEARS OLD.
HE HAS ACCUMULATED PROBABLY ABOUT 2.5 MILLION ACRES OF FORESTRY.
HE'S ACTUALLY THE LARGEST LAND OWNER IN THE UNITED STATES, PRIVATE LANDOWNER.
>> WITH THAT, WE HAVE A HUGE LUMBER BUSINESS, AND THEN PART OF THAT BUSINESS IS THE WINDOW INDUSTRY.
WE'RE ABLE TO SUPPLY ALL OF OUR PRODUCT THAT WE USE IN OUR WINDOWS, JUST OUT OF OURS.
ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS ARE CERTIFIED LUMBER.
WE CUT, MANAGE, WE GROW OUR OWN TREES, WE HAVE NURSERIES THAT WE PLANT OUR SEEDLINGS, SO WE'RE VERY HEAVILY INTO THE FOREST SIDE OF IT, AND THEN THE WINDOW INDUSTRY IS A SECOND.
WE PURCHASE HURD WINDOWS BASICALLY BECAUSE WE'RE ALL AROUND ON THE WEST COAST, NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.
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WE OWN FORESTRY THERE IN OREGON, SO WE WANTED TO GET OVER ONTO THESE COSTS, SO WE HAD PURCHASED HURD WINDOWS SO WE COULD SERVICE THE COST A LITTLE BIT BETTER.NOW, GIVEN THAT, WHAT I DID ON THE LEFT SIDE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PRODUCT DATA SHEETS.
A LOT OF THIS IS INFORMATION THE ARCHITECTS WOULD GO ON A WEBSITE FOR WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SPECIFY WINDOW, LOOKING AT CROSS-SECTION DETAILS.
I JUST PULLED A FEW OF THEM, A FEW DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT WE HAVE THERE.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE UNDERNEATH THE NOTEPAD IS A LIST OF ALL OF OUR FL NUMBERS.
WE DO ALL OF OUR TESTING WITH FL, FLORIDA.
THE FIRST SHEET WOULD BE FOR ZONE 3, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE FALLING IN ZONE 3 HERE.
THEN THE LARGER ONE UNDERNEATH IS FOR ZONE 4.
A LOT OF THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU'D BE USING EVEN UP IN THIS AREA, THEY'RE APPROVED FOR ZONE 4, AND THEY ALSO CARRY THE BROWARD STAMP.
THEY GO WAY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU REALLY NEED UP IN THIS AREA.
OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS ALL THE FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVAL CODES THERE.
THEN I PUT IN A COUPLE OF BROCHURES UNDERNEATH, A LOT OF BEAUTY SHOTS OF HOW OUR PRODUCT LOOKS.
>> FAIR ENOUGH. DO YOU HAVE MANY CUSTOMERS WHO ARE FOCUSED ON HISTORIC DISTRICT TYPE WINDOWS?
>> YES, WE DO ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
MATTER OF FACT THOUGH, ONE WINDOW HERE THAT IS OUR WESTCHESTER.
THIS WAS JUST DESIGNED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO IN RELEASE.
A LOT OF THE DESIGN WAS FOR UP IN THE NEW ENGLAND STATES.
WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OLD HISTORIC A TRUE SINGLE PANE WINDOW, YOU HAVE A VERY NARROW LOCK RAIL ON IT, WHICH, WHEN YOU GET IN THE IMPACT AND INSULATE, IT'S VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE THAT.
WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THIS PRODUCT.
THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ENHANCEMENTS TO IT AS WELL IN THE DESIGN OF IT.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE ALREADY IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT IN FLORIDA OR JOIN THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> NOT, SO MUCH IN HERE. I DO A LOT OF WORK IN TAMPA, DOWN TO YBOR CITY.
THE ONLY AREAS THAT WE CAN'T SUPPLY IT IF YOU GET DOWN DEEP INTO YBOR IS WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A WOOD EXTERIOR.
THEY PRETTY MUCH HOLD FAST TO THAT.
WE PRESENT OUR CLAD EXTERIOR JUST AS FAR AS FOR THE MAINTENANCE FACTOR.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY WANT TO HOLD FAST TO A LOT OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE HERE.
IN THE TAMPA AREA QUITE HEAVILY.
WE'LL BE GETTING MORE BUSINESS WITH THE HURRICANE THAT JUST CAME THROUGH, UNFORTUNATELY.
>> ARE ANY OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THE HURD WINDOWS IN YOUR VERSION OF IT?
>> THIS IS A HURD WINDOW RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE MONUMENT STYLE, AND THIS IS THE LARGER DOUBLE HUNG, SINGLE HUNG.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S ALL BUT JOINERY ON THE SASH.
THERE'S DEEP, THERE'S SHADOW LINES IN HERE.
IT'S GOT A HEAVY TAPERED SILL ON IT FOR WATER MANAGEMENT.
WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU GET A SINGLE HUNG AND YOU WANT AN INSECT SCREEN IN IT, THE SCREEN LAYS RIGHT IN THE SAME PLANE UNDERNEATH THE UPPER SASH.
THIS WINDOW HAS BEEN AROUND EVER SINCE THE IMPACT FIRST STARTED IN FLORIDA.
IT WAS BASICALLY DESIGNED FOR THAT.
WHAT'S REALLY NICE ABOUT THIS ONE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, ALL OF THE INSIDE THAT YOU SEE IS ALL WOOD ON THE INTERIOR.
I KNOW IT ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT FOR THE HISTORIC SIDE A BIT.
BUT IT'S VERY APPEALING THERE.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS, I'LL SHOW YOU THIS REAL QUICK IF I CAN WALK UP HERE.
>> THESE ARE DIFFERENT ROOTS THAT WE HAVE.
TYPICALLY WHAT YOU SEE IS A PUTTY EXTERIOR, AND A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE MORE OF A TRADITIONAL CUT ON THE INTERIOR.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN MIX AND MATCH YOUR JOBS TO MATCH WHAT'S BEING USED IN THE AREA.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S NICE ABOUT IT, THIS TWO-INCH TRADITIONAL LOCK.
IF YOU LOOK AT A CASEMENT LINE, WHICH WOULD BE THAT GREENISH ONE, THAT'S A CASEMENT.
A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE DOING HISTORIC WORK,
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YOU'RE IN A SMALLER AREA AND YOU NEED AN EGRESS WINDOW, YOU REALLY CAN'T ACHIEVE THAT WITH A DOUBLE HUNG.YOU NEED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, SO YOU END UP USING A CASEMENT.
YOU CAN USE THIS LOCK RAIL TO SIMULATE A LOCK RAIL, SO WHEN THE WINDOW IS CLOSE, IT LOOKS AS A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW.
THEN YOU CAN JUST DO THAT AND GRILLS ON THE COP. DO YOU WANT TO COME?
>> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO GET UP AND GO LOOK AT THOSE? PLEASE.
>> ARE ANY OF THOSE TRUE LIGHTS?
>> NO. IT'S HARD TO DO THAT BECAUSE IF YOU DO A DIVIDE LIGHT, YOU RUN OUT OF, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY'RE VERY NARROW.
USUALLY, A LOT OF HISTORICAL LIGHTS ARE LIKE SEVEN EIGHTHS, HALF EIGHTH, FIVE EIGHTHS TO SEVEN EIGHTHS ON THE MUTTS AND BARS.
PREVIOUS COMPANY I WORKED FOR, THEY DID A WOOD WINDOW, AND THEY HAD TO PUT THEM UP TO LIKE INCH AND A QUARTER OR TWO INCH, WHICH IT JUST THROWS THE WINDOW RIGHT OUT OF BALANCE.
WE REALLY DON'T. THAT YOU CAN'T ACHIEVE YOUR POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE PRESSURE.
>> THIS WOULD BE LIKE A SUB SILL IF YOU NEED A NEW AN APPLICATION.
NORMALLY, WE HAVE AN ALUMINUM PIN FOR A STRUCTURAL NAIL.
[NOISE] WE HAVE ALL OF OUR ACCESSORIES THAT POP OUT AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE AN OVERLAP.
IN OVERLAP WE HAVE FLAT CASINGS.
WE HAVE BRICKS MOLDS, TWO DIFFERENT SIZE BRICKS MOLDS.
BE IN RENOVATION WHERE THERE'S ONE WITH AND WITHOUT A NAIL.
VERY THOUGHT OUT. LIKE I SAID THE BOARD APPROVED HURD PRODUCT BEFORE.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS JUST EXPANDED ON IT AS WELL.
YOU'RE GETTING YOUR SHADOW LINES IN IT.
ALL THE IMPACT DOORS CURRENTLY ARE OUT SWING ONLY.
BEING A WOOD MANUFACTURER WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SWITCHING ALL OF OUR DOORS OVER TO A FULL TWO INCH.
INSTEAD AN INCH OF THREE QUARTERS, A FULL TWO INCH DOOR.
IF THEY'RE USED LIKE IN A RESTAURANT OR EVEN ON A RESIDENCE, WHEN YOU OPEN AND CLOSED YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S LYING HERE AND THERE.
>> THESE ARE ALL FINAL PRODUCTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
>> NO. FOR THE WOOD CLAD WHAT WE DO WITH OURS IS IT'S ALL EXTRUDED.
THERE'S NO ROLL FORM ALUMINUM.
WHAT WE DO IS WE USE POWDER COAT PROCESS INSTEAD OF LIQUID APPLIED PAINT.
POWDER COAT IS A LOT MORE HEALTHY FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT'S ALL EXTERIOR TO THE ALUMINUM.
AS FAR AS JOINING THE WINDOWS TOGETHER BECAUSE I WAS JUST OVER AND TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OF THE JOBS THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE.
HERE'S TYPICAL JOINING OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS.
I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE CODE, IT CAN EITHER RUN ALUMINUM OR BLOCK WITH WOOD. BOOK YOUR TIME.
>> ARE WE APPROVING ALL OF THE SERIES?
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK THE SAME THING.
MR. WILLIAMS, AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, YOU SEE BEHIND YOU THE PRE-APPROVED WINDOWS LIST THAT WE HAVE.
IT BREAKS DOWN OUR PRE APPROVED WINDOWS INTO TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT THEN WITHIN THE CATEGORIES IT TALKS ABOUT THE LINE OF PRODUCT AND WHAT IT IS MADE OF.
WE DO HAVE A CATEGORY THAT IS FOR USE ON HISTORIC STRUCTURES WHEN YOU'RE NOT OTHERWISE ABLE TO REHABILITATE THAT WINDOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A ORIGINAL WINDOW.
THEN APPROVED FOR USE ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.
KNOWING THAT HURD WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR ITS WOOD, ALUMINUM PLAID WOOD, AND I THINK THAT WAS IT.
COULD YOU TELL US IF IT'S A SPECIFIC SERIES, A SPECIFIC WINDOW TYPE THAT NEEDS TO BE BETTER SPECIFIED ON THIS EXISTING LIST, KNOWING THAT IT IS NOW A DIFFERENT NAMED PRODUCT? THEN WOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL PRODUCT LINES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TO HAVE ADDED INTO THAT?
>> WELL, THE TWO CATEGORIES, AGAIN WE CAN SEE NOW, THE WOOD AND THE ALUMINUM WOOD CLAD, THE WOOD STRAIGHT UP THAT WAS SIERRA PACIFIC WOOD, AND THAT WOULD ONLY BE FOR NON IMPACT.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, IF YOU GET OUT ONTO MERRY ISLAND, YOU APPROVE ALL THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE USED OUT HERE, OR IS IT JUST FOR HISTORIC?
I HAVE WOOD THAT CAN BE USED, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO BE USED IN NON IMPACT.
BECAUSE I CAN GO LIKE 35,40 ON THE DPS.
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REQUIRING OUT CLOSE HERE, BUT TO GET AN IMPACT RATING, I DON'T THINK YOU USE WOOD.>> WELL, BIT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TO HAVE BOTH OF THEM ON.
YOU'RE SPLITTING HAIRS AT THIS POINT.
>> WE WOULD SATISFY PRETTY MUCH IT WOULD BE ALL OF OUR WOOD.
WHEN I SAY WOOD, WOOD EXTERIOR.
IT WOULD BE ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL WIDER SASH LIKE THIS ONE OVER HERE.
THEN WHEN YOU PURCHASE IT YOU EITHER GET BRICK MOLD OR FLAT CASING, AND THEN YOU ORDER YOUR SILL HORNS DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF DESIGN CONFIGURATION ARE YOU GOING GET.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THERE IS SIERRA PACIFIC.
AS FAR AS THE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD, I COULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT WE HAVE SO YOU CAN LIFT THEM ALL IN THERE.
THE ONLY ONE AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WOULD BE OUR H3 SERIES.
THE SASH, I USE IT IN HISTORIC, BUT IT DEPENDS ON YOUR RULINGS AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE THE SASH DO HAVE 45 DEGREE CUTS IN.
HERE IS A CORNER SECTION HERE.
THIS IS THE DOUBLE HUM RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S GOOD SHADOW LINES ME BRING IT OVER AND PUT IT UP HERE?
YOU GET THAT PUTTY GRILL CONFIGURATION IF YOU WANTED TO GO THERE.
SAME TYPE CASINGS THAT YOU CAN USE AROUND IT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IS THAT THIS SASH IS CUT AT 45.
THERE'S A PART JOINER. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE SPLITTING HAIRS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR.
>> WOULD THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WAITING FOR OUR OTHER MEMBERS TO JOIN US BEFORE MAKING THIS CALL OR ARE YOU GOOD WITH IT OR HOW SHOULD WE PROCEED?
>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUALITY WINDOW.
>> WE'RE RIGHT UP THERE WITH ALL THE BIG BOYS.
>> SO WERE YOU READY TO APPROVE ALL OF THEIR WINDOW PRODUCTS?
>> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THIS. AS LONG AS IT'S JUST THE WOOD AND ALUMINUM CLAD, I KNOW THIS SAYS VINYL ON HERE, BUT.
>> I DIDN'T REALLY BRING THE VINYL BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT USED IN STORE, BUT I SORT REVIEW, COUNCIL IS DIFFERENT.
I DON'T REALLY USE THIS SO I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO PRESENT IT.
IT'S NICE, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU FOLKS BUT THAT ON YOUR ISLAND.
>> IN ORDER TO GIVE MR. WILLIAMS OUR APPROVAL FOR THE TWO TYPES OF WINDOWS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WOULD READ AS CHANGING FROM HER TO SIERRA PACIFIC UNDER THE WOOD CATEGORY.
THEN UNDER THE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD CATEGORY CHANGING FROM HER TO SIERRA PACIFIC AND THEN WOULD IT READ H3 SERIES? IS THAT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE DETAILS?
>> NO. IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR CLAD WOOD FALLS UNDER THE SAME CATEGORY, SO IT WOULD BE JUST SIERRA PACIFIC, THEY'RE ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I SEE THAT THERE'S ANDERSON THAT HAS VINYL CLAD RIGHT NOW.
THEN I SEE LIKE MARVIN ELEVATE.
WE WOULDN'T FIT IN THOSE BASICALLY JUST THE TWO CATEGORIES UP THERE.
>> WHAT TERMINOLOGY DO WE USE IN A MOTION UP HERE TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
ARE WE SAYING H3 OR ARE WE SAYING?
>> I THINK YOU'RE SIMPLY MODIFYING THE TERM FROM HURD TO SIERRA PACIFIC SO THAT IT IS NAMED CORRECTLY WITH THE NEW OWNERSHIP THAT IS THERE AND CONTINUING TO LIMIT IT TO ONLY THEIR WOOD AND ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD PRODUCTS, AND NOT EXPANDING IT BEYOND THAT.
>> WHICH ONE OF YOUR BRAVE SOULS CAN MAKE THAT MOTION?
>> I MOVE WE CHANGE THE WOOD HURD TO SIERRA, AND FOR BOTH THE WOOD AND ALUMINUM CLAD WOOD IN THEIR SERIES, AND ON TO THE LIST.
>> WE'VE GOT POYNTER MOTION AND SKALSKI SECOND.
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COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.>> I LEFT SOME OTHER BROCHURES HERE FOR THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE ALL OF THEM.
[5.2 Discussion: Old Town Roadway Concerns and Solutions]
>> WE HAVE A SECOND PRESENTATION?
>> YES. MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. SEAN.
>> SEAN WAS ABOUT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WOULD WE WANT TO MAYBE COME BACK TO HAVE THAT SECOND PRESENTATION FOLLOWING THE NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM? THAT WOULD BE OKAY?
>> OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM INVOLVES A DISCUSSION ONLY FOR SOME CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR OLD TOWN RESIDENTS.
SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING ROADWAY CONDITIONS, AND TO HEAR ABOUT SOME SOLUTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ROADWAY CONDITIONS AND REALLY, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE OLD TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY TO COME OUT AND TALK WITH THE BOARD.
THERE'S NO DECISION MAKING THIS EVENING.
IT IS SIMPLY TO LISTEN AND TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT OPTIONS OR SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED DOWN THE ROAD.
IF THERE IS ANY DECISION MAKING AT A LATER POINT, THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD AS A FORMAL APPLICATION FOR YOUR REVIEW BEFORE ANYTHING IS CHANGED.
I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT.
WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN AND WE HAVE A STAFF HEARD FROM OUR OLD TOWN RESIDENTS.
THERE IS A GROUP THAT WOULD LIKE TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS IN A VERY THOUGHTFUL WAY WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
JEREMY GIBSON HAS REALLY PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO PREPARING SOME MATERIALS FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW AS PART OF THAT OVERALL DISCUSSION.
IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, WE DID ADVERTISING TO ALL OF OUR OLD TOWN RESIDENTS, BOTH THE PHYSICAL ADDRESS OF THE RESIDENT, AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER AT MAILING ADDRESS.
NOT EVERYONE AND WE RECOGNIZE NOT EVERYONE IS A FULL TIME RESIDENT IN OLD TOWN AND SO WE OFFERED THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK THROUGH EMAIL.
WE DO HAVE THOSE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE PROVIDED FEEDBACK ALREADY.
THAT'S PRINTED FOR YOUR REVIEW THIS EVENING JUST SO THAT YOU HAVE A LEVEL OF AWARENESS IN THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE RECEIVING BACK AND I EXPECT THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE SOME INFORMATION AS WE CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.
WE'LL PUT THAT TOGETHER, PACKET IT UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS EMAILED TO YOU AS THAT COMES IN.
>> OKAY. WE DO HAVE SOME EMAIL COPIES HERE.
>> YES. THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVED TO DATE.
>> OKAY. TURNOVER PROTEIN CONTROL HERE AND AS DR. GIBSON MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ON SOME ALTERNATIVES AND RECOGNIZING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OLD TOWN HAS INCREASED, AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH IT, SO WE'RE JUST WANT TO TALK LIGHTLY ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
OF COURSE, EVERYONE IN OLD TOWN THERE KNOWS WHAT WE HAVE.
YOU HAVE A DUSTY COQUINA, SHELL LIMESTONE, IT'S LOCALLY SOURCED HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, AND THAT'S MATERIAL THAT'S DOWN IN MOST OF THE ROADS.
YOU HAVE TWO ROADS THAT DO NOT HAVE THAT.
THEY WERE PAVED YEARS AGO AND YOU'RE RIGHT HERE AT THE CORNER OF WHITE STREET.
HELP ME OUT HERE, AUDIENCE. WHAT'S THE OTHER STREET HERE? ESTRADA. THESE ARE ONLY TWO ROADS THAT WERE NOT PAVED, AS YOU CAN SEE, ONE WAS PAVED TO THE SOUTH AND THE REST IS COQUINA, AND IT'S NOT VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
AS MENTIONED, THE COQUINA SHELL HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT, A CERTAIN LOOK AND FEEL WHEN THE OLD TOWN WAS FIRST BEGAN TO BECOME DEVELOPED.
BUT AS TRAFFIC AND DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES, WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I'M GOING TO GET BACK ON THE PRESENTATION HERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SEAWALL, DO WE? I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OPTIONS, WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT ELSE IS AVAILABLE THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
ONE OF THE MATERIALS THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS ASPHALT MILLINGS, AND THAT'S WHAT'S PICTURED HERE.
IT'S ASPHALT MILLINGS WE USE IN UNIMPROVED RIGHT OF WAYS WITHIN THE CITY AND A LIMITED NUMBER OF AREAS.
IT'S GROUND UP, RECYCLED, REPURPOSED ASPHALT.
IT CHANGES THE LOOK AND FEEL, OF COURSE, OF WHAT'S IN OLD TOWN NOW.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A DRIVEWAY OR A ROAD THAT HAS IT.
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IT'S A LITTLE MORE EROSION RESISTANT, A LITTLE MORE DUST RESISTANT TO A COQUINA SHELL LIME ROCK, THAT'S WHAT'S DOWN THERE NOW.IT DOES CHANGE THE LOOK RATHER THAN A WHITE DUST, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A DARK DUST.
EVENTUALLY, ASPHALT MILLINGS UNDER HEAT THEY DO START TO BIND TOGETHER, AND YOU DO INTO BUILDING UP A BASE THAT HOLDS UP A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN LIME ROCK DOES, BUT IT TAKES TIME AND YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT.
NEXT IS ANOTHER POSSIBLE MATERIAL THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED IS WHAT'S CALLED DOUBLE CHIP SEAL.
I DON'T HAVE A GREAT PHOTO OF IT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN AREA HERE IN TOWN, NORTH 6TH STREET AROUND THE CALHOUN DAY AREA IS WHERE WE HAVE A DOUBLE CHIP SEAL.
WHAT THAT IS, IS WHERE YOU CUT DOWN THE BASE OF THE ROAD THAT YOU HAVE, YOU PUT A TACK STRIP, WHICH IS A ADHESIVE BONDER, WHICH IS PICTURED BY THE TRUCK THERE.
ADHESIVE BINDER, A LAYER CRUSHED GRANITE GOES DOWN.
CRUSHED GRANITE HOLDS UP A LOT MORE, IT'S A LOT MORE RESILIENT THAN LIME ROCK IS.
THEN ON TOP OF THAT, DOUBLE, SO THIS HAPPENS TWICE, A TAX STRIP GOES DOWN, YOU ADD GRANITE CHIPS, ANOTHER TAX STRIP ON TOP TO BIND THAT LAYER, AND THEN A GRANITE CHIPS ON TOP OF THAT.
THIS ROAD HERE TO THE LEFT IS THAT.
WHAT IT PROVIDES IS MAINTENANCE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU DON'T GET THE BREAKDOWN, YOU DON'T GET THE DUST.
IT'S STILL A ROAD THAT IS PERVIOUS, SO YOU STILL GET DRAINAGE THROUGH IT WITHOUT THE EXPENSE OF GOING TO A PAVED ROAD, SO IT'S IN THE MIDDLE HYBRID SOLUTION.
NASSAU COUNTY THEY'RE CONVERTING A LOT OF THEIR ROADS AS FUNDING PERMITS FROM DIRT ROADS TO THAT DOUBLE CHIP SEAL.
IT'S A LIGHTER COLOR THAN WHAT YOU HAVE WITH ASPHALT MILLINGS AND ALSO WITH THE MORE MAINTENANCE FRIENDLY APPROACH.
OF COURSE, IT COSTS A LOT MORE THAN THE ASPHALT MILLING.
LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT HERE.
ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THE ASPHALT MILLINGS, WE RESURFACE 2-3 MILES OF ROADS THROUGHOUT THE CITY EVERY YEAR.
WE TAKE THAT GROUND UP MATERIAL AND WE USE THAT FOR RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENT, SO THAT MATERIAL IS LARGELY FREE TO US.
THE MOST AFFORDABLE OPTION WOULD BE MILLINGS, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY DRAWBACKS, IT'S NOT REALLY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.
AS MENTIONED, SO THIS IS THE DOUBLE CHIP SEAL, WHICH IS A OPTION THAT WE WE'RE EXPLORING.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TWO BLOCKS OF IT HERE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS NOW.
WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE GRADING, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE EROSION CONTROL.
OCCASIONALLY, YOU MAY NEED TO DO WHAT'S CALLED A BACK DRAG OR YOU RUN A BUCKET OVER IT TO MOVE THE LOOSE MATERIAL ON TOP.
BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT BINDER UNDERNEATH, IT HOLDS THAT BASE IN PLACE AND THEN, OF COURSE, EVENTUALLY, THERE'S THE DO YOU PAVE PARADISE OR NOT AND I CAN SEE SOME LOOKS OF DISAPPROVAL.
BUT THE PAVING IS AN OPTION THAT'S ALSO BEEN DISCUSSED.
OF COURSE, THIS IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE OPTION.
DEFINITELY WOULD CHANGE THE LOOK AND FEEL WITHIN THE OLD TOWN AND WOULD ALSO REQUIRE STORM DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE OF YOU NO LONGER HAVE A PERVIOUS SURFACE.
NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING CURB AND GUTTER AND OTHER RELATED INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN OLD TOWN.
GRANTED, YOU HAVE THE WELL, ONE ROAD THERE, WHITE STREET GOING IN AND THE STRATA THAT'S ALSO PAVED.
BUT PAVING, OF COURSE, IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN BE REQUESTED BY SOME AND DISCUSSED, AND WOULDN'T SAY THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT OPTION.
IN SUMMARY, CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A COQUINA LIMESTONE, IT IS A HIGH MAINTENANCE DUST DURING THE RAINS, IT ERODES.
DURING THE DRY, IT'S DUSTY, IT'S LOW COST IS WHAT YOU HAVE THERE NOW.
ASPHALT MILLINGS WOULD BE A MINOR IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT WOULD CHANGE THE LOOK AND FEEL WITHIN OLD TOWN.
WHILE WOULD EVENTUALLY PROVIDE A MORE ROBUST SURFACE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF DUST IN THE MEANTIME, AND IT'S COMPLETELY GOING TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF OLD TOWN.
THE DOUBLE CHIP SEAL WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN MAINTENANCE.
STILL A CHANGE TO WHAT'S THERE, $10,000, TO GO IN THERE AND CUT OUT WHAT'S THERE, DO THAT DOUBLE THAT TAX DRIP WITH THE GRANITE ROCK, WOULD DEFINITELY BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
BUT THAT'S AN UNBUDGETED COST, SO 150,000 THAT IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE DOWN THE ROAD, NO PUN INTENDED, WE WOULD HAVE TO PHASE THAT IN.
THEN ASPHALT PAVING WOULD BE THE MOST MAINTENANCE FRIENDLY APPROACH, BUT WOULD REQUIRE STORM WATER IMPROVEMENTS AND WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE FEEL AND LOOK IN OLD TOWN, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT $250,000- $300,000 FOR THAT WORK.
THE POINT IS JUST TO START HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.
OLD TOWN CHANGED DRASTICALLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE DEVELOPMENT, AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN DO SOMETHING BETTER OR NOT THAN WHAT'S THERE BEFORE, BUT WE AT LEAST WANT TO START HAVING THAT DISCUSSION..
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>> WHERE IS THE DOUBLE CHIPS? YOU SAID IT'S ON.
>> NORTH 6TH STREET BETWEEN, I THINK IT'S, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK.
IT'S CALHOUN AND [BACKGROUND] BROOME AND DAY STREET.
CORRECT. BUT ANYWAY, I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY MEMBERS HERE THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, SO I'LL TURN THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANYTHING FOR ME.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE ONE STREET THAT WE DO HAVE THE DOUBLE CHIP ON.
HAVE YOU GOTTEN FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD?
>> VERY LITTLE FEEDBACK, AND THAT USUALLY MEANS THINGS ARE GOING WELL.
[LAUGHTER] NO NEWS IS OFTEN GOOD NEWS, SO WE'VE HAD GOOD FEEDBACK.
>> THERE'S A SITUATION WE ENCOUNTER TOO IS THERE'S A SENSE OF, LIKE, WILL WE EVER GET PAVED IN THAT AREA? IT'S LIKE, LET'S LEAVE THIS ALONE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A FACTOR TOO THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU PAVE A ROAD, EVERYTHING ROLLS BETTER, PEOPLE DRIVE FASTER AND THEN THE NEXT CONVERSATION IS A LIGHT, AND WE WANT SPEED BUMPS.
WE WANT TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, SO YOU WANT TO THINK THROUGH THAT.
BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE, AND I CAN SIT DOWN.
PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR TURN AND WEIGH IN ON THE DISCUSSION.
>> THE REASON YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THIS IS WHY?
>> THIS IS NOT A STAFF INITIATED DISCUSSION.
WE'VE HAD MEMBERS WITHIN OLD TOWN THAT HAVE SAID THERE'S BEEN CONCERNS AND IT'S BEEN A GROWING CONCERN.
IT'S LARGELY SEASONAL, WHEN WE GET THE RAINS, WHEN WE GET THE HIGH TEMPERATURES, OFTEN AT THE SAME TIME OF YEAR, SO YOU GET THE EROSION, IT DRIES OUT, YOU'RE GETTING THE DUST.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WITHIN OLD TOWN ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE, SO WE SAID, WELL, LET'S START TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE KNOW THIS IS A PERENNIAL DISCUSSION, AND WE KNOW THERE'S MORE AND MORE DEVELOPING THERE, AND WE'RE EVENTUALLY GOING TO NEED TO DO SOMETHING, SO LET'S START TALKING ABOUT NOW AND GET A PLAN TOGETHER.
IT'S AN OLD TOWN NOT EVERYONE, BUT SOME MEMBERS WITHIN OLD TOWN HAVE REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK INTO IT AND START COMING UP WITH SOME IDEAS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
>> THANK YOU. NOW, DO WE HAVE FORMS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK?
>> FOR MEMBERS, IF YOU CAN FILL OUT A FORM AFTER YOU SPOKE THAT WAY, WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE ACCURATELY CAPTURED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
BUT I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND GET UP AND SPEAK [OVERLAPPING] THE PEN DOESN'T WORK.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK SIR?
>> TIM GREEN 1119 SOMERUELUS STREET.
ONE THING I THINK THAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A LIABILITY TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU TO THE CITY.
PRIME EXAMPLE, I GOT UP YESTERDAY AT QUARTER TO SIX WHEN SOMEBODY'S WALKING DOWN SOMERUELUS STREET AND I LIVE ON THE BACK THE SMALL SOMERUELUS STREET.
THOSE ROADS ARE SO BAD, IT'S EASY TO TWIST AN ANKLE TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, THEY'RE REALLY REALLY BAD.
ANOTHER THING THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO MAYBE PURCHASED A HOUSE, AND THEY WANT TO RENT IT OUT OR WHATEVER AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL OF THAT.
BUT WHEN THEIR RENTERS COME AND THEY BRING THEIR KIDS AND THEY'RE FLYING SOME [NOISE] TEARING UP THE ROADS, WHICH WE'VE SEEN HAPPEN.
IT'S JUST MORE MAINTENANCE ON THE CITY AND TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, THE CITY, THEY REDID OUR ROAD AND DID A GOOD JOB THAT SECTION THAT I LIVE.
THERE'S ONLY TWO HOMES ON THE SECTION THAT I LIVE ON THAT ACCESSES THEIR HOUSE ON SOMERUELUS STREET.
ABOUT EVERY OTHER DAY, I GOT TO GO OUT AND FIX WHERE MY MAILBOX IS BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T HOLD.
THERE'S RUTS FROM EVEN THE MAILMAN, AND HE'S NOT A SPEED DEMON.
THE DUST IT'S HORRENDOUS, AND MY WIFE AND I DONE A LITTLE CALCULATION, AND THERE'S WITHIN PROBABLY 4-5 HOUSES, OLD TOWN HAS DOUBLED IN THE PAST 5.5 YEARS FROM WHEN I BUILT THERE.
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I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL ARE GETTING EMAILS FROM FOLKS WHO ARE PART TIMERS.PROBABLY GOING TO STEP ON A COUPLE OF TOES HERE BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE AS PART TIMERS.
THEY DON'T LIVE THERE CONSTANTLY AND HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT.
IT'S A LITTLE EASY TO PUT UP WITH SOMETHING WHEN YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING UP WITH IT PART TIME.
I DO SEE ESPECIALLY NOW THAT IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION, A POTENTIAL LIABILITY WITH THAT ROAD IF SOMEBODY WERE TO REALLY BREAK IT.
>> YOU'RE ADVOCATING THAT SOMETHING BE DONE BUT YOU'RE NOT[OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. I GET TO FEEL OF OLD TOWN IN THE ROADS BUT WHAT IS THERE DOES NOT WORK.
YES, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT BE HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
>> ONE MORE THING, IF YOU LIVE UP THERE, YOU'RE POWER WASHING YOUR HOUSE EVERY THREE MONTHS, BASICALLY EVERY THREE MONTHS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR PROPERTY AND DO IT RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT EVERY THREE MONTHS, YOU'RE GOING TO POWER WASH. THANK YOU.
>> MARK BAILEY, 809 SAN FERNANDO STREET.
WE RESIDE FULL TIME ON THE CORNER OF SAN FERNANDO AND EMILIA.
FRANKLY, WE LIKE OR I LIKE THE EXISTING CRUSHED SHELL PACK DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAINTENANCE IS FOR THAT, BUT WE THINK IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT ANYTHING PROPOSED AND DECIDED UPON, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS PERMEABLE, SO THAT THE WATER WOULD RUN THROUGH IT.
OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE TO CONSTRUCT DRAINAGE, AND THEN IF YOU DON'T, THE WATER RUNS INTO THE YARDS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO RELAY THAT THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT PERMEABLE AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE LIKE THE CRUSH SHELL.
BUT WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR JUST ABOUT A YEAR AND WE LIKE THE EXISTING.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME DIVOTS, BUT I THINK IF IT'S REGULARLY MAINTAINED, IT MIGHT BE OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? THERE YOU GO.
>> I'LL TRY TO GET A PEN THAT WORKS NEXT TIME.
>> THAT'S OKAY. RON BOARDMAN, 1122 SAN FERNANDO STREET.
THE DUST IS JUST AWFUL OUT THERE.
A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAD TO LEAVE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAD SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON.
THEY LIVE OVER ON LADY STREET.
I LIVE ON SAN FERNANDO STREET, WHICH IS THE TWO MAIN STREETS GOING ON.
OF COURSE, YOU GOT WHITE STREET OVER THERE, WHICH IS PAVED AND, IT'S NICE.
NOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE PAVEMENT, LIKE YOU SAID, THE PREVIOUS.
I THINK THAT TWO-CHIP STUFF IS THE ANSWER. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT.
I'VE SEEN IT ON 6TH STREET, AND IT WORKS.
I WAS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND I PUT A LOT OF STUFF DOWN IN A LOT OF THIS WORK.
IT'S SOMETHING I DEFINITELY THINK IT WOULD IMPROVE THE OLD TOWN.
I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY BEFORE ABOUT IT.
THEY WOULD LOVE TO DO SOMETHING, JUST BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE UP THERE.
WHEN ROADS GET BAD, THEY'RE JUST AWFUL.
THE MAYOR WAS UP THERE THE OTHER DAY WITH HIS WIFE AND HE SAID, WE WENT WALKING AROUND.
I SAID I WOULDN'T WALK AROUND.
I WOULDN'T LET HER WALK AROUND ON THAT STREET.
IF SHE FALLS, BREAKS HER ANKLE.
WHEN IN POTHOLES WERE UP THERE, AND WELL, THE NEXT DAY, GUESS WHAT? SOMEONE SHOWED UP AND DID SOMETHING.
I'M ADVOCATING, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT WITH A SHELL.
I AM OPPOSED TO LEAVING IT SHELL.
BECAUSE IN THE VERY BEGINNING YEARS AGO WHEN I MOVED THERE, THE CITY USED TO COME DOWN AND PUT SHELLS, AND THEY'RE GREAT.
WELL, THEY QUIT DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND IT'S JUST GONE DOWNHILL EVER SINCE THEN.
THAT TWO-CHIP STUFF TO ME IS THE ANSWER.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? MR. SPRINGER.
>> I THINK WE HAVE SOME LETTERS FROM [OVERLAPPING].
>> ROBERT SPRINGER, 1127 WHITE STREET.
RIGHT THERE, I LIVED ON A PAVED STREET AND SHELL.
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I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF NEIGHBORS OUT THERE WHO COULDN'T ATTEND TONIGHT THAT THEY'D LIKE TO BE HERE, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE COMING OFF WORK, SOME PEOPLE ARE BOARDING A FLIGHT, AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE PARTIES THEY HAVE TO ATTEND.I WAS WALKING AROUND OLD TOWN THE OTHER NIGHT WITH THE MAYOR, GOING UP TO SOME HOMES AND JUST GETTING A GENERAL OPINION TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE WANT DONE.
IT SEEMED 50/50, SOME PEOPLE WANTED TO KEEP THE SHELL.
SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, HEY, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S PAVED, WHATEVER, THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE.
AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES ON PAVED AND SHELL, I DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE DUST, BUT I'M ALWAYS ON MY GOLF CART, AND I'M ALWAYS PUSHING MY SON THE STROLLER IN OLD TOWN, AND I SEE THE DUST FLYING UP.
I DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH IT, BUT I SEE THAT MY NEIGHBORS HAVE ISSUES WITH THE DUST.
JEREMIAH SAID AT BEST, IF THE ROADS WERE PAVED, THINGS ROLL BETTER, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIASED BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS PUSHING MY SON IN A STROLLER OR ON THE GOLF CART.
BUT I LIKE THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
WE'RE OPENING UP THE FLOOR OF LISTENING TO OLD TOWN NEIGHBORS.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I THINK DEFINITELY OLD TOWN IS A REALLY COOL AND UNIQUE PLACE TO LIVE.
>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? WHY DON'T YOU COME UP, MISS HARRISON?
>> PROBABLY INSISTED. [LAUGHTER]
>> JENNIFER HARRISON, 800 SUMMERALL ESTATE.
IT HAS CHARM, IT HAS CHARACTER.
WE CERTAINLY CAN'T AFFORD TO USE BLACKTOP ANYWHERE.
IN FACT, THE BLACKTOP THAT'S DOWN THERE WAS PUT DOWN BECAUSE THE POGIE WAS BROUGHT FROM POGIE PLANT ALONG THOSE STREETS, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT THE STREETS WERE SO DISGUSTING AND SMELLY THAT IT HAS TO BE HOSED DOWN.
THEY TOO ARE SLIGHTLY HISTORICAL.
BUT THE SHELL HAS JUST BECOME THE WRONG WORD FOR IT.
IT IS A DUST BOLE, AND THERE ARE DANGEROUS POTHOLES.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO TREASURE OLD TOWN.
IF IT COSTS A LITTLE BIT MORE TO KEEP THE CHARACTER IN THE STREETS, WE NEED TO DO IT. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE'VE GOT ANOTHER COMMENT, MISS.
>> PACK GAS, 801 WHITE STREET.
I'VE WAITED 50 YEARS TO HAVE THEM PAVED, SO, I CAN BE PATIENT.
I'VE LIVED THROUGH THE DIRT, AND THAT WAS DIRTY AND DUSTY, AND NOW I'VE LIVED THROUGH THE SHELL, SO I CAN WAIT.
THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD RESURVEYED.
BACK WHEN WE DID, FIRST DID THE SEWER SYSTEM.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS SURVEYED AND THE RIBBING WAS PUT DOWN.
AT THAT TIME, A YOUNG LADY NAMED JENNIFER WORKED FOR THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU WORKED WITH HER THEN.
SHE SAID TO ME THEN, THAT THE RIBBING WAS NOT PUT EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
SHE SAID, YOU WOULDN'T WANT YOUR NEIGHBORS TO HAVE TO TAKE THEIR FENCES DOWN, WOULD YOU? I SAID I MOST CERTAINLY WOULD BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THE STREETS TO BE PUT WHERE THE STREETS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE.
WELL, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAD TO TAKE THEIR FENCES DOWN, SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE RIBBING TO BE PUT WHERE THE STREETS BELONG.
I'D LIKE THE STREETS TO BE RESURVEYED.
BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE FOR US TO INVESTIGATE FINDING GRANTS TO DO THE OTHER GRAND THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE.
THAT IS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PLACE ALL THE UTILITIES UNDERGROUND.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT EXPENSE THAT SOME OF US CANNOT AFFORD.
I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO GET STORMWATER DRAINAGE FOR OLD TOWN.
AT THE PRESENT TIME, ALL THIS UGLY WHITE DUST IS TRICKLING DOWN TO THE RIVER AND THE MARSH.
THAT'S NOT SETTING TOO WELL WITH ME EITHER.
THE GRANT COULD PAY FOR THE SURVEY, THE GRANT COULD PAY FOR UTILITIES, AND THE GRANT COULD PAY FOR THE STORMWATER.
THEN MAYBE WE COULD GIVE THE GRANT TO PAY FOR THE $250,000 TO PAVE THE STREETS.
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I KNOW THAT WOULD INCREASE THE SPEED.I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE ALL THE STOP SIGNS OUT OF LD TOWN AND PUT A SUBSTANTIAL SPEED BUMP AT EVERY CORNER.
NOBODY STOPS AT THOSE STOP SIGNS.
IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION, A SUGGESTION THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE TAKE.
I DON'T THINK CALIFORNIANS EVEN SLOW DOWN LIKE THE PEOPLE DO IN THE OLD TOWN FOR A STOP SIGN.
YOU KNOW, THE OLD CALIFORNIA STOP.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY STOP LIKE THIS, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
THEY QUICKLY SEE IF ANYBODY'S COMING AND KEEP ON GOING.
OF COURSE, THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT ON MY CORNER FOR ALL OF TIME.
WE LOVE SITTING ON THE PORCH TO WATCH IT.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ANY OF US CAN AFFORD TO GET ALL OF THAT DONE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ANY OF THAT CAN BE DONE IN A YEAR.
IT WOULD TAKE A GREAT DEAL OF RESEARCH AND A GREAT DEAL OF WORK.
AS FAR AS THE GRADING GOES, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, WE DID GET THE STREET GRADED THE OTHER DAY, AND THEY DID DO THE VERY BEST THAT THEY COULD.
BUT IT'S MY OPINION THAT WHEN INDIVIDUALS GO OFF TO LEARN HOW TO GRATE ROADS, THEY PROBABLY DON'T LEARN HOW TO DO THAT.
WHEN THEY'RE DOING IT WITH RIBBING ALONG THE SIDES OF THE ROAD.
USUALLY, YOU GRATE ROADS ON A DIRT ROAD, AND IT'S WIDE OPEN SPACES, AND YOU'VE GOT ALL ROOM TO WORK WITH.
IN OLD TOWN, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU DO.
YOU'VE GOT TO REALLY DO SOME FANCY GRATING, AND THAT DOESN'T WORK IN OLD TOWN.
IF YOU EVER COME OUT AFTER IT'S DONE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S DONE EITHER.
NOT TO BAD MOUTH, ANY CITY EMPLOYEES, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY KNOW.
ALSO, BEFORE YOU GRATE, YOU SHOULD BRING OUT A HELL OF DIRT OR SOMETHING AND FILL IN THE POTHOLES, SO I'D LIKE THAT DONE.
THEN I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHY THOSE POTHOLES KEEP SHOWING UP IN THE SAME PLACES ALL THE TIME.
WHAT CAUSES THOSE HOLES TO BE THERE? EVERY SINGLE TIME.
WHAT'S GOING ON UNDER THERE? WHAT CREATES THEM? NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO GO LOOK TO FIND OUT.
THEN IN ANY OF THE AREAS THAT WE DECIDE WHAT WE DECIDE TO DO OR WHATEVER IT IS DECIDED TO DO, I'D LIKE US TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF THE MAINTENANCE COST.
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT HOW QUAINT WE ARE OUT THERE AND KEEPING THE FLAVOR OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT LONG-TERM COSTS.
I KNOW $250,000 OR $300,000. IS A LOT OF MONEY.
WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME, SO HOW MUCH ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN? HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST OVER THE NEXT 2, 03, 4, OR 500 YEARS? LET'S THINK ABOUT THE LONG TERM.
LET'S NOT THINK ABOUT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
LET'S THINK ABOUT THE NEXT 500, AND LET'S DO IT, AND LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
I'M IN THE PAVED STREETS COLUMN.
>> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? [BACKGROUND].
>> CAN I JUST LET PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T?
>> CANDREA POWER 1127 SUMMER WALLAS.
I LIKE THE CHIP OPTION, THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD OPTION.
I'VE SEEN IT DOWN ON SIXTH STREET. IT'S VERY NICE.
IN MODERN-DAY, DELIVERIES, CONSTANT DELIVERIES, THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE STREETS JUST DOESN'T WORK. THANKS.
>> RICK MELKI, 1102 WHITE STREET.
WE BOUGHT THERE JUST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO, AND WE ARE NOT RESIDENTS, BUT WE SPEND ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS A YEAR HERE.
WE TOO HAVE PAVED AND WE HAVE DUST.
NEW STREET HAS FOUR HOUSES ON IT.
THERE ARE TWO OF US THAT OCCUPY, THE OTHER TWO THEY'RE FOR SALE, AND HAVE BEEN FOR OVER A YEAR.
THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC ON NEW STREET THAN YOU CAN SHAKE A STICK AT.
THEY'RE DOING 25 TO 30 MILES AN HOUR ON THERE.
THE DUST COMES INTO THE HOUSE, INTO THE SCREEN PORCH, IT'S RIDICULOUS.
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IT'S ALSO GOT A LITTLE GRADE TO IT.EVERY TIME IT RAINS, THERE'S DIRT.
OF COURSE, YOU HAVE AMAZON, FEDEX, UPS, AND ALL KINDS OF CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THERE.
AS THIS LADY SAID BEFORE, SPEED LIMIT SIGNS ARE A SUGGESTION, STOP SIGNS ARE A SUGGESTION.
OF COURSE, WE FOUND HERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT SO ARE DIRECTIONAL LIGHTS, AN OPTION.
[LAUGHTER] IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, BUT IT'S JUST IN MY CHILDHOOD, WE LIVED ON A DIRT ROAD, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS.
WHEN WE BOUGHT THAT BROUGHT BACK FOND MEMORIES, IT'S QUAINT I LIKE THAT.
BUT NOT SO MUCH AFTER BEING THERE A YEAR.
WE WERE GONE FOR FOUR MONTHS THIS SUMMER AND CAME BACK.
OUR SCREEN PORCH, INSIDE THE SCREEN PORCH, HAD THAT MUCH DUST OVER EVERYTHING.
WE GOT TO BE BREATHING THIS STUFF, TOO.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT PAVED NECESSARILY, BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE WITH THE DUST, AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. MR. BRING ONE MORE TIME.
>> TEN GREEN 1119 SUMMERALL STREET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT THE COST.
THEY LIKE TO BRING THAT TROLLEY UP THERE TO SEE OLD TOWN.
WHY NOT CHARGE THEM A BUCK EXTRA? BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY DON'T GET ON THAT TROLLEY FOR FREE.
[LAUGHTER] CHARGE JUST $1 EXTRA.
>> WHAT'S THAT? YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
>> [LAUGHTER] IT'S A CITY STREET.
>> NO. DON'T THEY HAVE TO PAY TO RIDE THE TROLLEY?
>> THEY CAN'T CHARGE PEOPLE RIGHT ON THE STREET.
>> JUST A THOUGHT. [LAUGHTER].
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE ALL NEED TO KEEP THINKING.
HAS EVERYBODY BEEN HEARD? ALL RIGHT. I WAS KEEPING SCORE.
>> I HAVE ONE WHO SAID DO NOTHING, LEAVE IT ALONE.
ONE SAID PAVE IT. DID YOU GET ONE?
>> THREE? DAMN, I'M SORRY [LAUGHTER].
>> MOST WHO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE SOLUTION ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IT CALLED.
>> JEREMIAH, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION? THIS DECISION IS NOT MADE BY THIS BOARD.
THIS DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PROCESS.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JEREMIAH.
>> YES. MEMBER POYNTER HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> WHEN YOU SAID 150,000 FOR THE DOUBLE CHIP.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT'S THE WHOLE AREA?
>> EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT PAVED. CORRECT.
>> EVERYTHING BUT THAT ONE STREET TWO, STREETS?
>> THIS YEAR, WE HAVE 800,000 BUDGETED FOR STREET RESURFACING.
WE HAVE 70 MILES OF PAVED ROADS AND ABOUT 5 MILES OF NON PAVED.
WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THIS INTO OUR STREET RESURFACING SCHEDULE.
THE WAY THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO THAT IS BEING THAT WHITE STREET IS THE PAVED ROAD THAT KIND OF DIVIDES, WHAT'S NOT PAVED IS YOU WOULD DO IT IN PROBABLY TWO PHASES.
YOU DO EVERYTHING SOUTH OF WHITE STREET ON ONE PHASE AND THEN EVERYTHING NORTH WELL, IS THAT NORTH? YES, ON A SEPARATE PHASE.
THAT'S HOW WE DO IT, WE PHASE IT IN, AND IF WE WERE TO GO TO THE DOUBLE CHIP SEAL ROUTE, WE'D BE ABLE TO WORK THAT IN SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
>> MEANING IN THIS BUDGET YEAR?
WE STARTED THE NEW BUDGET YEAR 16 DAYS AGO.
WE NEED TO EVALUATE OUR STREET RESURFACING PLAN.
IF WE WERE TO WORK THAT IN THERE, WE WOULD BE PUSHING EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN FURTHER OUT.
WE'LL TRY, AND WHAT WE WOULD COMMIT TO DOING IS WORKING THAT INTO OUR SCHEDULE, GETTING A FORMAL PROPOSAL, MOVING TOWARD DOING SOMETHING, AND THEN COMING BACK AND TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN.
IF WE COULD WORK IT IN THERE THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE COULD PHASE IN ONE AREA AND THEN PICK IT UP FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.
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I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT WE CAN IF WE BROKE IT UP INTO TWO PHASES, WORK THIS FIRST PHASE INTO THIS YEAR.BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING WHAT'S CALLED A ROBOTICS STREET SCAM.
IT'S WHERE WE COMPLETELY DRIVE ALL OF OUR ROADS WITH A VIDEO CAMERA AND KIND OF PRIORITIZE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND LOOK AT THE ROADS THAT ARE ALREADY LINED UP.
THIS IS ALL NEW INFORMATION FOR BRINGING THIS IN.
WE'D SEE IF WE COULD SLIDE IT IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR, POSSIBLY.
I'D SAY THIS YEAR, THIS FISCAL YEAR STARTS IN OCTOBER AND GOES THROUGH SEPTEMBER, SO IT'D BE SOMETIME OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 11 MONTHS.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK IN THIS FIRST PHASE AND THEN BUDGET APPROPRIATELY TO DO THE REST THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
>> OKAY. THE ONE OUTSTANDING QUESTION I HAVE IS, HOW WILL YOU GO ABOUT MAKING THIS DECISION?
>> WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS GROUP OF RESIDENTS IN OUR TOWN IS THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE A PREFERENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE TO MOVE WITH THE DEVIL.
>> WHAT WE WOULD DO IS I WOULD MOVE THIS UP INTERNALLY WITH CITY STAFF AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT'S INVOLVED.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT UTILITIES.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT STORM DRAINAGE ISSUES.
WE HAVE TO TAKE MATERIAL OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING IT UP.
YOU WANT TO TAKE MATERIAL OUT. THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESHAPE THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN TAKE AND YOU CAN INVERT IT SO THAT YOU CAN GET DRAINAGE DOWN THE MIDDLE.
YOU CAN SHAPE IT TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME SURVEYING OUT THERE INTERNALLY.
MAKE THIS A PRIORITY PROJECT IN THIS YEAR.
THIS WOULD NEED TO GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL, BUT WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE HDC FOR FORMAL APPROVAL BEFORE WE TOOK IT TO COMMISSION.
THOSE ARE THE STEPS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO DO SOMETHING.
>> WOULD YOU BE TAKING OUT THE ALREADY PAVED ROAD?
>> YOU WOULD OUT THE ALREADY PAVED ROAD?
WE COULD TO MAINTAIN THE LOOK AND FEEL IF YOU WENT WITH DOUBLE CHIP SEAL, SO IT ALL MATCH.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SOLID PAVED ROAD THERE NOW, IT WOULDN'T BE WISE TO TAKE IT OUT JUST FOR AESTHETICS.
>> IT HAS PATCHES. OR IT'S MAYBE PATCHED UP.
IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL CONTRAST.
>> IT'S A PRETTY BAD CONTRAST NOW, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE COULD DISCUSS THAT. WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT THEN THE STEPS WILL BE TO BRING A PROPOSAL AND BRING IT BEFORE THE BOARD, AGAIN.
TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN WORK THAT IN WITH OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED STREET RESURFACING.
>> REALISTICALLY, FOLKS CAN PROBABLY EXPECT THAT GRADING WILL CONTINUE IN [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE SOONEST WE PROBABLY SEE PHASING IN SOME DOUBLE CHIPS WOULD BE SPRING OF 2025.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO A QUICK ANALYSIS ON WHAT IS IT COSTING FOR THE CITY TO COME OUT AND KEEP MAINTAINING AND GRADING? IS IT COSTING US $50,000 A YEAR TO DO THAT? THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU LOOK AT, WELL, LET ME GET THIS THING DONE IN THREE YEARS, WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY.
WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD AND SPEND THIS MONEY UP FRONT AND THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT? ACTUALLY, THAT DOUBLE CHIP LOOKS REALLY NICE ACTUALLY ON SIXTH STREET.
IT HAS THAT NICE OLD-TOWN LOOK.
IT'S PREVIOUS. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE GUTTERING.
I DO THINK IT WOULD KEEP THE CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU HAVE NOW WITHOUT THE HEADACHES.
BUT MISS KOSACK MAKES A GOOD POINT WHEN SHE SAYS, HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT WHY THESE HOLES KEEP FORMING AT THE SAME SPOTS?
>> WE CAN ANSWER THAT. [BACKGROUND] WHEN YOU HAVE LOW AREA AND YOU GRADE AND YOU BRING IN FILL, AND THEN IT RAINS.
WHAT'S NOT COMPACTED IMMEDIATELY AS SOON AS A TIRE GOES OVER, SPLASHES IT OUT.
OF COURSE, WITH TURNING, YOU'LL GET PROBLEM AREAS THERE TOO.
ANYTIME YOU HAVE AN IMPACT, YOU COME AN OFF-PAVEMENT ONTO UNPAVEMENT, TO DIRT, TO THE SHELL, YOU HAVE A TURNING.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO IT, BUT WE HAVE THIS AREA WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE SAME AREAS.
UNLESS WE WERE TO GO GRADE AND COMPLETELY GO OUT THERE AND ROLL EVERYTHING WITH A VIBRATING ROLLER, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE POTHOLE SURFACE IN THE SAME AREAS FROM BEFORE, BECAUSE IT'S LOOSE MATERIAL THERE IS NOT COMPACTED.
>> HOW LONG WAS THAT TYPE OF GRADING BEING DOWN ON MIDDLE OF SIXTH STREET?
>> HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN THERE?
>> ABOUT THREE. YOU SAY THREE?
>> I THINK THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
>> I JUST GOT SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY TURNS OFF A DUST.
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IT'S MUCH MORE RESILIENT THAN THE LIMESTONE.IT'S A MUCH LONGER-TERM SOLUTION.
YOU WON'T SEE THE DUST IN GRANITE.
>> JEREMIAH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, AND THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION.
IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF GRADING VERSUS GOING AHEAD WITH THIS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL STREETS OUT OF THE BEACH THAT ARE ALSO BEING GRADED VERY REGULARLY AND FILLING WITH THE SAME POTHOLES OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
>> I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT, IF YOU LOOK AT A COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS FROM A BIGGER PICTURE THAN JUST OLD TOWN WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT MIGHT CHANGE YOUR NUMBERS.
>> JEREMIAH, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT STORM WATER DRAINAGE IN OLD TOWN.
>> THERE IS. YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE STORM DRAIN GRADES IN PLACE.
IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM.
YOU DO HAVE FRENCH DRAINS IN PLACE.
AS MISS GAS MENTIONED, YOU HAVE THE RIBBON CURVING THERE.
THAT RIBBON CURB PROVIDES A BORDER.
IT DOES NOT PROVIDE CHANNELING WATER DOWN TO A CERTAIN AREA.
RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE A COMBINATION OF SOME FRENCH DRAINS THAT ARE IN PLACE.
YOU HAVE ROAD CAMBER THAT WILL MOVE THE WATER TO ONE SIDE.
WHEN IT RAINS SOME OF THE RAIN THAT YOU'VE HAD, YOU SEE WHERE A LOT OF THAT WATER REALLY RUNS AND CREATES SOME OF THE EROSION ISSUES THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. WE'VE GOT A MIXTURE OF THINGS.
WITH THE UNIMPROVED ROAD, YOU MAKE BEST WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE.
WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF FRENCH DRAINS, AND THEN A CAMBER OF THE ROADS TO RUN OFF INTO UNIMPROVED AREAS.
>> THE TENSION THAT I SEEM TO BE GETTING FROM OLD TOWN RESIDENTS IS DRAINAGE FIRST DUST CREATION.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT AS TO SPEED BUMPS IN THE AREA TO POSSIBLY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE DUST CAUSED BY SPEEDY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? BECAUSE ONE SEEMS MORE CONCERNING TO ME, BUT IT WOULD ALSO APPEAR THAT DUST SEEMS MORE CONCERNING TO THOSE THAT LIVE THERE.
>> OUR CURRENT CITY POLICY DOES NOT SUPPORT SPEED BUMPS OR HUMPS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S DUE TO A NUMBER OF FACTORS, EMERGENCY RESPONSE, CLAIMS AGAINST THE CITY FOR SUSPENSION OR VEHICLE-RELATED ISSUES, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY USES.
YOU'LL SEE THEM IN PARKING LOTS.
WE HAVE SPEED BUMPS IN MAINE BEACH.
OTHER SHOPPING COMPLEXES, YOU'LL SEE SPEED BUMPS THERE, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T USE SPEED BUMPS IN ANY OF THE ROADS.
>> MR. HARRISON, CAN YOU COME UP, PLEASE SO THAT WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU?
>> I'LL BE BETTER WHEN I GET MY NEW KNEE.
I HOPE. MICHAEL HARRISON 800 SUMMERLEA STREET.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT TO JERRY MEYER IN WHOM I HAVE A HELL OF A LOT OF FAITH, INCIDENTALLY, TO FIX THIS.
THAT THE BLACKTOP THAT RUNS ACROSS ESTRADA STREET REALLY CATCHES THE WATER.
SO COMING DOWN SUMMERLEA STREET, AND SCOTT, I'M SURE YOU'LL SEE THIS AS WELL.
IT RIVERS OFF ESTRADA STREET AND THEN COMES DOWN SUMMERLEA THAT'S WHEN IT TURNS DOWN GARDEN STREET.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE NEED TO MAKE THAT PART OF ESTRADA STREET POROUS AS WELL.
>> I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN GETTING SOME COMING UP THERE.
>> THE NEXT STEP ON THIS IS THAT WE'LL BE HEARING MORE FROM MR. GLISSON WITH HIS ANALYSIS THAT HE NEEDS TO DO AND WHERE HE CAN GO AND WHEN HE CAN DO THAT.
>> WITHIN A FEW MEETINGS FROM NOW, WE'LL BRING BACK TOGETHER A FULL PLAN FOR ACTION WITH A PROPOSAL, AND MAYBE WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WILL BE APPLYING THE DOUBLE CHIP SEAL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE, AND WE'LL BRING ALL THAT BACK AT THE UPCOMING MEETING.
THEN IF WE GET A BUY IN HERE, THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND WORK THAT INTO OUR PAVING MANAGEMENT PLAN AND SCHEDULE FOR THIS YEAR.
>> CITIZENS CAN KEEP UP TO DATE?
>> YES. THE AGENDAS FOR OUR MEETINGS, WE'LL CERTAINLY KEEP THAT DISCUSSION AND UPDATE ON THE AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH IT. IS THAT GOOD?
[02:05:04]
>> SHOULD I GO UP? JUST A SUGGESTION.
>> ALL ABOUT FAIRNESS, LIKE I SAID, I WENT AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO BACK WITH BRADLEY.
WE WENT TO SOME HOMES AND JUST ASKED THEIR OPINION.
CAN WE DO AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT OLD TOWN NEIGHBORHOODS CAN SAY, HEY, I LIKE THE SHOW.
I LIKE PAVE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T ATTEND TONIGHT, BUT JUST SO THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
>> OR YOU COULD GET A NEIGHBOR TO DO IT.
>> WE'VE DONE THAT. KELLY, WE'VE DONE SOME LOCALIZED SURVEY.
>> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.
IF YOU HAVE A EMAIL DISTRIBUTION LIST THAT YOU ACTIVELY USE, OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR EMAIL WITH US, THAT WOULD HELP.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ATTENDING, SEND ME YOUR EMAIL SO THAT I COULD MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE PROVIDED THAT LINK ONCE IT'S CREATED.
THEN IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, WHO ARE ALSO RESIDENTS WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT, THAT WOULD HELP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY GET THE MOST PARTICIPATION OUT OF IT AS POSSIBLE.
>> TO THAT IDEA, MR. SPRINGER.
THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WHEN WE TAKE THIS TO THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE ASKED IS, DO THE PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN SUPPORT THIS? IF WE HAD THAT SURVEY DATA THAT SAID, YES, 70% SUPPORT THIS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US RATHER THAN SAY, WELL, THE ONES THAT SHOW UP HEC SUPPORTED IT, AND THEN WE GO TO START DOING THE ROADS PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, WE DIDN'T WANT THIS AFTER ALL.
>> THEN [INAUDIBLE] ASKING TWO, ARE YOU FULL TIME OR PART-TIME? DO YOU LIVE ON PAY, DO YOU LIVE ON SHELF, JUST TO HAVE AS MUCH DATA AS POSSIBLE?
>> I HAVE A SURVEY SUGGESTION.
IT COULD ALSO INCLUDE A SNIPPET OF WHAT EACH OPTION IS BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE JUST VOTING WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE DOUBLE CHIP IS, THEY'RE GOING TO DEFAULT TO [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT GOES ON.
>> CAN I ASK. I'M SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF THE SURVEY.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, MR. SPRINGER, WOULD YOU MIND MEETING WITH MS. GIBSON AND GIVING HER YOUR THOUGHTS ON WHAT QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ASKED? IF YOU'RE ALL INTERESTED, MR. SPRINGER IS YOUR VOICE.
>> ON THIS SIGN-IN SHEET, THERE IS A WORKING PEN THERE NOW.
PLEASE SIGN IN AND LEAVE ME EMAIL, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT LEGIBLE OR SEND ME AN EMAIL.
THAT WAY, I'VE GOT IT AVAILABLE TO REACH OUT TO YOU WITH THAT SURVEY.
IF YOU'RE NOT HERE TO LISTEN TO THE OTHER WINDOWS PRESENTATION AND OUR STAFF BUSINESS, THEN THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND YOUR INTEREST IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
DO YOU ALL NEED A BREAK OR DO YOU WANT TO POWER THROUGH IT? WE NOW HAVE PRESENTATION ON WINDOWS FROM MI WINDOWS AND DOORS;
[5.1 Presentation: Window Manufacturers for Consideration on Approved Windows List (Part 2 of 2)]
IS THAT CORRECT? HOMERITE WINDOWS.>> [BACKGROUND] SORRY, YOU'RE LATE.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO LIVE WITH US FOR A WHILE.
>> YOU GOT TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH US THAT YOU HAD [INAUDIBLE].
COULD YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE?
>> YES, MA'AM. I'M JOEL [INAUDIBLE]. THIS IS SHAWN LEE.
WE'RE WITH HOMERITE WINDOWS AND JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR HAVING US HERE.
IT WAS COOL TO HEAR YOUR COMMUTE.
WE'VE GOT TO DO A LOT OF STUFF.
>> PLEASE. ROBERT, COULD YOU STICK YOUR HEAD OUT THERE AND TELL PEOPLE QUIET? THANK YOU.
>> I WAS JUST SAYING WE'VE GOT TO DO A LOT OF WINDOWS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT, WE JUST WANT YOUR CONSIDERATION ON APPROVAL OF AN ADDITIONAL VINYL PRODUCT FOR YOUR RESIDENTS HERE.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE SOME WORK AT THE CHURCH.
WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO DO A JOB AT FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WINDOWS HERE TONIGHT.
THAT'S THE 16, 20 THAT SHAWN'S GOT HERE IN HIS RIGHT HAND THE CLAY WINDOW.
THEN THE WHITE WINDOW IS A 16, 50 OPTION, THAT'S THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW.
>> YOU JUST HANG UP ON THE CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> I'LL LET HIM GO THROUGH THE DEMO HERE IN A SECOND,
[02:10:03]
BUT THE MAIN THING IS THAT THE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, WE'VE USED A LOT IN HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN THE JACKSONVILLE AREA, AND THE SIMILAR COMMUNITIES, HISTORIC DISTRICTS THERE HAVE SEEM TO ENJOY THE MEETING RAIL IS VERY SIMILAR.THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE SINGLE HUNG OPTION IN JACKSONVILLE, THEY LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER MEETING RAIL.
ON THE WHITE ONE HERE TO THE LEFT, THE DOUBLE HUNG OPTION, IT PRETTY MUCH MEETS ALL THE DETAILS IN THE HISTORIC AREAS THAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE.
IT'S GOT THE INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR GRIDS, IT'S GOT VERY SIMILAR REVEALS TO EXISTING WOOD WINDOWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN YOUR AREA.
OUR DESIRE WOULD JUST BE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR ANY DISPLAY THINGS WE CAN SHOW YOU, BUT TO HAVE THAT WINDOW UNDER CONSIDERATION TO BE APPROVED FOR THE HISTORIC AREAS HERE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THE OLD TOWN AREAS THERE IF THAT ENCOMPASSES MORE THAN THAT.
>> BUT SPECIFICALLY HERE FOR SOME OF THE OPTIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC AREA, WHERE WE'RE QUOTING OTHER JOBS.
>> KELLY, I'M WITH THE MARVIN ELEVATE AND THE WINDSOR.
IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIAL AS THIS.
THAT WAS THE ONLY OTHER VINYL OPTION THAT YOU HAD.
THOSE FOUR LIKE THESE RIGHT HERE.
THE ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS. GREAT WINDOWS.
>> JUST LOOKING UP AT OUR SCHEDULE THERE.
>> THIS IS A VINYL WINDOW NOT A COMPOSITE, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS 100% PURE PVC.
IT'S A VINYL PRODUCT, NOT A COMPOSITE WINDOW.
IT'S NOT ALUMINUM CLAD, SO IT'S A VINYL PRODUCT. YES, SIR.
>> WHICH ONES ARE THEY MOST SIMILAR TO ON THE LIST?
>> RIGHT THERE WITH THE PELLA.
>> THE PELLA AND PERVIA 350 SERIES WILL BE THE ONE IT'S THE MOST SIMILAR TO ON THE LIST THERE.
>> THAT IS, SPECIFICALLY, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE APPROVED FOR.
>> IT'S ONLY APPROVED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION PARTS.
>> PUTTING ON ANOTHER HOUSE THAT'S ALREADY HISTORIC.
>> NOT ON A REHABILITATION PROJECT.
>> HOPEFULLY, YOU'RE NOT BIDDING ON ANYTHING THAT'S A RECONSTRUCTION.
>> MOST OF WHAT WE'RE BIDDING ON NOW ARE REMODEL PROJECTS THEY'RE ARE EXISTING.
>> YOU PROBABLY WANT TO TALK TO MS. GIBSON BEFORE THAT?
>> WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, HOW DO THESE COMPARE WITH THE PELLA, WHICH ARE APPROVED?
>> THEY'RE VERY COMPARABLE. IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN AND THE MAKEUP OF THEM, THE FLORIDA PROCT APPROVAL AND THE DNA OF THE WINDOW IS GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR.
>> BUT THOSE ARE ONLY APPROVED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE NOT APPROVED FOR RESTORATION PROJECTS.
>> PRETTY MUCH ON YOUR RESIDENTIALS THAT ARE ALREADY IT'S ONLY WOODCLAD. THAT IS WOODCLAD.
>> AS FAR AS THE CHURCH'S FIRST PURPOSE, PRESBYTERIAN IS GOING TO BE IN WOODVILLE, CORRECT?
>> IT WOULD NEED TO BE ONE OF THE AVAILABLE TYPES THAT ARE ALLOWED, FOR USE ON HISTORIC STRUCTURE PROJECTS.
THE ONLY TIME THAT WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY ALLOWED FOR A VINYL TYPE OF PRODUCT HAS BEEN ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, TYPICALLY ADJOINING HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT NOT ON AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
>> GOT YOU. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MAYBE LOOK AT IT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION JUST IN CASE.
>> SURE. WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, I WOULD HAVE NO ISSUES WITH APPROVING THAT, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> BOTH OF THEM ARE THE ONE ONLY ON THE RIGHT.
>> THIS ONE'S A DOUBLE HUNG AND ONE SINGLE HUNG.
>> YES. YOU PROBABLY, HONESTLY, WOULD WANT THE DOUBLE HANG BECAUSE OF THE SITE LINES, YOU CAN DO BOTH EXTERIOR GRIDS ON EITHER ONE OF THEM.
BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO KEEP THAT OLD LOOK IN THE OLD TOWN, IT WOULD BE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
>> THAT'S MUCH MORE CONSISTENT WITH IT FOR SURE.
>> CHRIS WE GOT TO PROVE THIS, LIKE I SAID, OVER IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OVER IN DUVALL, WHERE THIS ONE DID NOT BECAUSE OF THE MEETING RAIL, WHERE THIS IS A LOT MORE THIN.
>> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVING, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, IS THE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS A SINGLE HUNG.
>> SORRY. ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION?
[02:15:03]
>> MS. GIBSON, WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THAT IDEA?
>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, BESIDES THE BOARD'S LEVEL OF COMFORT, OF COURSE, WITH THE PARTICULAR PRODUCT IS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT THAT THE OTHER PROVIDES.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T FEEL THAT I HAVE ENOUGH EXPERTISE SPECIFICALLY WITH WINDOWS TO SPEAK TO THE COMPARABILITY OF THEM, AND I'M HOPING THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR THE AUDIENCE, PERHAPS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH, AND I WOULD REALLY NEED TO RELY ON THE BOARD'S REVIEW.
>> I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.
>> I AGREE WITH THE MIDDLE RAIL ON THE SINGLE HUNG.
IT IS NOT AS GOOD AS THE DOUBLE HUNG, AND IF THIS IS ONLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE ALREADY HAVE AN ALL-VINYL PELLA.
I THINK THAT THAT TRACKS WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
>> WE STILL HAVE AN OPTION. THAT THE DESIGN PRESSURE IS EQUIVALENT TO THEIRS ALSO.
HONESTLY, IT'S THE SAME THING WITH A DIFFERENT NAME.
>> MR. SKALSKI, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON THIS?
>> AS LONG AS IT'S ON NEW CONSTRUCTION ONLY, THAT'S IT.
>> [BACKGROUND] TO CHAIR OF THE.
>> IF YOU CAN COME TO THAT [OVERLAPPING],.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKDROP OF THIS SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IT SO THAT YOU CAN APPRECIATE IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
[OVERLAPPING] WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING OUT SUCH TOM WILKIE, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS.
IT'S 9 NORTH 6TH STREET AND IS THE FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
>> I DO LIVE ON THE ISLAND AS WELL, BUT I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH MY HOUSE.
I HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO DO AT THE CHURCH.
THE CHURCH IS GOING TO GO UNDER A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT RENOVATION BECAUSE OF COVID AND WHATNOT.
WE HAVE ROOFING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, WE HAVE PAINTING OF FACILITIES THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL.
I THINK WE'RE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THEM AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE DOES.
WE HAVE THE OLDEST CHURCH ON THE ISLAND, AND WE GET ALL THAT STUFF.
BUT WE HAVE 60 WINDOWS THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH.
WE HAVE A LABYRINTH OF A BUILDING, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT FIRST PRESS LOOKS LIKE, BUT IT'S A LABYRINTH OF BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN INTERCONNECTED.
WE PROBABLY HAVE FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT KINDS OF WINDOWS IN THE FACILITY.
SOME OF THEM ARE HISTORICAL, AND SOME OF THEM ARE CONTRIBUTING HISTORICAL.
BUT SOME OF THE WINDOWS HAVE BEEN CHANGED OUT ALREADY.
THEY'RE ALREADY ALUMINUM WINDOWS IN THERE IN OUR HISTORICAL BUILDINGS.
DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOUR YEARS, AND THERE'S VINYL.
WE ALREADY HAVE A POPERY OF WINDOWS IN THERE.
CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT WORSE.
BUT THE CONSISTENCY ASSOCIATED WITH IT, LIKE ON ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS, WE HAVE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, JUST ALUMINUM, NOT ALUMINUM CLAD.
THEY'RE ALUMINUM WINDOWS ON THE 1858 STRUCTURE PROBABLY WERE CHANGED OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ROTTED, COMPLETELY ROTTED ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THEY'RE ALL ROTTED.
ALL I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY IS WE HAVE AN URGENCY TO ACTUALLY START TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE FOR THE CHURCH.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE GENTLEMEN HERE WHO ARE COMING TO PITCH.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS IS RAISING THE MONEY TO GO DO THIS, WHICH WE'VE DONE, SO WE'RE READY TO GO.
WE'RE READY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.
BUT WE GOT TO MOVE BECAUSE ON OUR OWN, WE'VE DELAYED THIS TOO LONG, AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THESE THINGS EITHER REHABILITATED OR REPLACED. I GOT A SHORT ORDER.
ARE THEY COMING? HAVE THEY COME?
>> NOT AS YET. MR. WILKES SPOKE WITH ME ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS.
NOW WE'VE MET TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THE NEED TO HAVE A COMPLETE WINDOW SURVEY, AND THE CHURCH IS WORKING ON THAT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ORIGINAL WINDOWS, THEY'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN REPLACED, WHAT THEY ARE, AND THE OVERALL CONDITION OF EACH WINDOW SPECIFICALLY.
THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT PIECE OF THE PROCESS.
[02:20:04]
BUT AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED A PARTICULAR WINDOW PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE WHEN REPLACEMENT IS NECESSARY.THERE'S ONE OF TWO DIRECTIONS THAT WE COULD TAKE.
THE FIRST IS, THAT I BRING IT TO THE BOARD AS A CASE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CHURCH, FOR THEIR USE EXCLUSIVELY IN THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF THAT MATERIAL.
OR WE LOOK AT THE USE OF THAT PARTICULAR WINDOW THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT AS PART OF THE PRE-APPROVED WINDOWS LIST.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WHETHER NOW, NOT ON A HISTORIC STRUCTURE, BUT ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, COULD BE ALLOWED AT A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL, WHERE ALTERNATIVELY, THEY COULD COME IN AND MAKE THIS REQUEST, DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THE PRODUCT FOR A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO USE THIS ON A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AS AN INDIVIDUAL CASE.
RIGHT AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE MEASURE OF GETTING WINDOW APPROVED ON THE LIST, HOPING THAT THE BOARD WOULD AGREE TO IT.
BUT IT SOUNDS JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE BOARD WOULD NOT BE AMENABLE TO THESE WINDOW PRODUCTS BEING PLACED ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AN ALTERNATE THAT IS ON THE LIST CURRENTLY FOR THAT.
>> WE HAVE COMPLETED THE SURVEY.
>> BUT WE WERE WAITING FOR THIS PROCESS [OVERLAPPING] WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE SURVEY CONSISTENT WITH PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN SET OUT BY [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, SIR IS AS YOU SAID, THIS IS THE OLDEST CHURCH IN TOWN.
>> DOING SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT ONLY HALF SPECIAL.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE, I DON'T THINK.
THERE ARE A FEW BUILDINGS IN TOWN.
WE'VE GOT A TON OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THAT'S TRUE, BUT THERE ARE A FEW THAT REALLY STAND OUT, AND THE CHURCH IS ONE OF THEM.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT CROSS PURPOSES. [BACKGROUND].
>> I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING THIS AS THE STANDARD ONE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE.
>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM APPROVING THIS AS STANDARD FOR ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE, WE SHOULD HAVE TWO.
>> OKAY. I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> COULD I JUST ASK, IS THE SURVEY THAT YOU'RE DOING OF THE WINDOWS, IS THAT GOING TO INCLUDE WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN? IT IS.
>> BUT IT ALSO NOTES THE AGE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.
>> YES. WE KNOW WE HAVE IT WITHIN ABOUT A DECADE [BACKGROUND].
BUT WE'RE WITHIN A DECADE OF IT BY THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION.
>> OF THE ONES WE WERE UNSURE, WHICH ARE A VERY NARROW NUMBER.
MOST OF WHAT WE KNOW WINDOW-WISE, WE DO HAVE SOME ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
WE HAVE SOME BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
I THINK WHEN COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT.
BUT THE ONES THAT WE DO HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT REHABILITATION OF THEM.
ALTHOUGH THEY'RE IN VERY SAR SHAPE TOGETHER.
FOR INSTANCE, NONE OF OUR WINDOWS IN OUR CHURCH, NONE OF THE 60 WINDOWS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NONE OF THEM ALL. THEY CLOSED THEM OFF YEARS AGO.
>> YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LET FRESH AIR IN.
>> NO, [BACKGROUND] WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE OVER THE MAIN SAYING NO, THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO REALLY TOLERATE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TAKING THEM OUT AND THEY'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IT.
[LAUGHTER] YOU REALLY THINK YOU CAN BE ABLE TO DO THAT? ANYWAY, [OVERLAPPING] WE'VE DONE A SURVEY.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE A PUT TOGETHER, TAKE THE SURVEY, AND THEN WORK WITH THESE GENTLEMEN HERE TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSED SOLUTION TO EACH WINDOW AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU. IF THAT COULD WORK.
>> OKAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SAYING THIS PRODUCT SHOULD NOT GO TO A HISTORIC CHURCH.
>> OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO WORK WITH THEM, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT COME UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GET APPROVED BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOUR BIGGEST THING IS WOOD WITH GLASS [OVERLAPPING]? ALUMINUM WINDOW WITH EXTERIOR GRIDS.
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE WINDOW IS, BUT YES.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE ALMOST ALL THE SAME.
[02:25:03]
THERE ARE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS AND DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES, BUT THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME LOOK.>> I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOK IS.
>> I THINK THESE GENTLEMEN KNOW.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LIKE I SAID WHEN WE WENT OVER THERE.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED, OR WHAT WAS NOT APPROVED.
I THINK SOME COMPANY MAYBE JUST THREW SOME IN THERE AND CALLED IT A DAY.
>> THERE HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN HISTORY COUNSEL.
>> THE SUMMARY IS IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH THIS BOARD IS READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE THAT ONE WINDOW A STANDARD OPTION FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
>> IF YOU ARE, IN FACT, INTERESTED IN WORKING JUST WITH THIS COMPANY TO FIND WINDOWS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHURCH, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT WINDOW APPROVED. AS A STANDARD.
>> I UNDERSTOOD FROM KELLY THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD ALSO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR THE CHURCH'S WINDOWS AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO GET ON THE LIST.
>> I HAVE THE WINDOWS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IN OUR DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE.
>> THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. OPTION.
>> THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.
BECAUSE YOU'D ALSO GET TO SEE WHICH WINDOWS WE WOULD BE REHABILITATING, AND WHICH ONES WE'RE REPLACING, IT WOULD GIVE YOU A BETTER CONTEXT FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I JUST DON'T WANT HIM TO WASTE TIME.
>> I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME COMING UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR ALL VINYL.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO FLY.
>> COULD I ASK JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THIS IS REALLY FOR NOTE PURPOSES AND TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE IT REALLY WELL SPECIFIED ON THE UPDATED LIST.
WHAT IS THE TITLE SERIES NAME THAT I CAN SPECIFICALLY QUOTE?
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS WINDOW?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE, WHAT ARE THESE GENTLEMEN'S NAMES? [OVERLAPPING] OF THE WINDOW SPECIFICATION HE JUST LISTED AS A NEW CONSTRUCTION ALL VINYL WINDOW ONLY.
>> THAT MOTION IS FROM SKALSKI AND SECONDED BY POYNTER.
COULD YOU CALL FOR A VOTE, PLEASE?
>> ALL RIGHT. NOW, OUR AGENDA HAS MORE ON IT THAN WE'RE GOING TO DO.
>> REACH A TABLE. [LAUGHTER] I MOVE TO ADJOURN. IT SOUNDS DEBATABLE.
>> IT IS. IT SOUNDS DEBATABLE.
>> NO. MOTION TO IT'S NOT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> TO ADJOURN. I MOVED TO ADJOURN. TAKE A VOTE.
>> OKAY. REALLY QUICK I PROMISE.
>> I'M SORRY. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE.
[7. STAFF REPORT]
WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ALREADY ON THE NEWLY UPDATED HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES AND THE APPENDIX FOR THE CRA, WHICH REALLY INTEGRATES WHERE THERE'S AN INTERFACE BETWEEN CRA AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DOWNTOWN AREA.MORGAN'S ACTUALLY GETTING PRINTED COPIES OF THIS.
IT IS THE VERSION THAT YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE, IT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED IF YOU PROVIDED ANY COMMENTS FROM THAT.
IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED FROM THAT POINT.
IT WAS ALSO CIRCULATED BY E-MAIL AND ATTACHED AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET PREVIOUSLY, SO THIS IS PRINTED FOR YOU.
>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO BECAUSE SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP TOGETHER TO REALLY TAKE A DEEP DIVE AND GO INTO THIS AND THEN ANY UPDATES ON IT, I CAN GO AHEAD AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A FINAL FORMAL VOTE.
>> HAS JAMES BEEN WORKING WITH YOU?
>> YES. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE THAT WITH JUST US OR DO YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE VIA E-MAIL?
>> OKAY. I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS POINT.
YOU WILL RECEIVE THE DOCUMENT PRINTED TONIGHT.
>> BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE COMMENTS YET.
>> NO. NOT THE MOST RECENT ONES THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO ME.
>> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS AGAIN?
>> YOU DON'T NEED TO REISSUE THEM, BUT I DO WANT TO GO BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOARD WAS INTERESTED IN REALLY DIVING INTO
[02:30:03]
THIS DOCUMENT AND OFFERING FEEDBACK ON EACH SECTION AND PAGE SPECIFICALLY.I WANT TO PROVIDE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
>> COUNSEL THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT IT, THERE WERE SOME DEEP DIVES.
>> NOT AS DEEP DIVE AS I THINK SOME MEMBERS WOULD HAVE LIKED.
>> THEN THEY SHOULD GET ON IT. [LAUGHTER].
>> AS A GROUP. I THINK THAT THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON PAYING ATTENTION [LAUGHTER] I WANT TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.