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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>>> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND, WELCOME TO THIS WORK OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION. AS ALWAYS, WE WILL
>> PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE. >>I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CORRECTION. THIS IS NOT A WORKSHOP. IT'S DEEMED THE CRA. THE MEETING IS A CRA.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THE CLOCK -- CORRECTION -- COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING. THIS IS A VOTING MEETING. THERE IS THE ABILITY TO MAKE VOTES IN THIS
[4.1 WATERFRONT RESILIENCY DESIGN PROJECT UPDATE]
MEETING. AT A WORKSHOP. WE HAVE THIS ONCE A QUARTER. WE APPRECIATE YOU RUNNING THAT OUT. WE HAVE GREAT BUSINESS TO DISCUSS. FOR THAT, TO INTRODUCE OUR PRESENTATION I'M GOING TO CALL OUT OUR CITY MANAGER, MR. JEREMIAH. WELCOME.>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF EMILY HORN THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE , PRESENTATION STATUS HE REPORT OF THE SEAWALL DESIGN. FUNDS WERE APPROPRIATED FOR THIS DESIGN. PROJECT COMMENCED SOMETIME LAST YEAR. ENGINEERING ANALYST, COREY SALT WAS HERE TO GIVE US AN UPDATE . REMIND EVERYBODY HOW WE GOT HERE, WHERE WE ARE AT, NEXT UP FORWARDS. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. SALT.
>> WELCOME, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
>> MY NAME IS CORY SALT. I AM HERE WITH KIMLEY-HORN. WITH ME HER TONIGHT IS CASEY LONG. CASEY IS OUR PROJECT QC, QA MANAGER. CASEY'S GOT ABOUT THREE DECADES OF DESIGN EXPERIENCE DELIVERING WATER FROM PROJECTS RELATED TO SEAWALLS, KIDS, FLOATING DOCKS, 'S OF THAT NATURE. CASEY'S ROLE IS ESSENTIALLY THE DELIVERABLES WE ARE BRINGING TO THE CITY. PROJECT TIMELINE AND HOW WE GOT HERE. I KNOW THE CITY HAS BEEN EXCITED ABOUT THIS RESILIENCY PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME. IN JANUARY 2023, THE COMMITTEE ISSUED A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT. THE RFQ ESSENTIALLY SET OUT A SCOPE OF SERVICES TO HAVE QUALIFIED CONSULTANTS, SUCH AS KIMLEY-HORN, PROVIDE THEIR EXPERIENCE OF THE CITY CAN DETERMINE WHO THEY WANTED TO SEND A REQUEST PROPOSAL TWO.
MARCH OF 2023 THE CITY ISSUED THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL 211 FIRMS IT DEEMED QUALIFIED. EVERYONE SUBMITTED THEIR PACKAGES. JUNE OF 2023, KIMLEY-HORN WAS SELECTED FOR DESIGN, ENGINEERING, AND PERMITTING FOR THIS PROJECT AND ISSUED ON THE FIRST PURCHASE ORDER IN JULY OF 2023. IN DECEMBER OF 2023, KIMLEY-HORN MADE OUR FIRST MILESTONE SUBMITTAL. THAT WAS OUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AT THE TIME, CHARLIE GEORGE, DEVELOPING THE LIMITS. A LOT MATCHED VERY CLOSELY WHAT WAS IN THE RFP, WHICH WE BASED OUR SCOPE OF SERVICES ON. THE CONCEPTUAL SUBMITTAL LARGELY JUST OUTLINED THE LIMITS OF THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS OPTIONS FOR THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM IN THE FIVE SEGMENTS, WHICH WE WILL COVER HERE SHORTLY. JANUARY 2023 IS 2024, EXCUSE ME, BUILDING OFF THE 30%, WE SUBMITTED OUR 30% DRAWINGS AND AN APRIL THE 90% DRAWINGS. THE 90% OR CLOSE TO A FINISHED PRODUCT THAN THE 30% . AND REALLY INTENDED TO SHOW WHAT EXACTLY WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PROJECT AND WHAT THE SYSTEM LOOK LIKE. THE PROJECT LIMITS. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF OUR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. THE FIRST THING YOU WILL LIKELY NOTICE IS THAT THERE ARE THREE GAPS IN THIS RESILIENCY SYSTEM. THE WAY THE RFP WAS WRITTEN, THE GAPS OVER IN THIS SEGMENT FIVE AREA WERE EXISTING TO BE THERE. RFP WAS WRITTEN SO SEGMENT FIVE WOULD ONLY COVER THE CITY PROPERTY AND WOULD ALLOW FOR CONNECTION FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BY THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS INTO THE -- WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY ON IS FINDING A WAY TO CLOSE THE GAPS IN THIS RESILIENCY SYSTEM, IN ORDER TO CREATE ONE COMPLETE WALL ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF DOWNTOWN.
WE'VE AMENDED THIS PROJECT LIMITS LIGHTLY AS WE'VE GONE ON THROUGH THE 30% DESIGN A 90% DESIGN INTO OUR ARMY CORPS SUBMITTALS. THIS IS THE BASIS OF WHERE WE STARTED IN DEVELOPING THESE. HERE YOU CAN SEE ARE 90% DESIGN. THE LIMITS ARE RELATIVELY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU JUST SAW IN THE CONCEPTUAL SUBMITTAL. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE LIMITS IN SEGMENT ONE WERE EXTENDED A LITTLE SOUTH TO THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE AT
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THE PROPERTY. THE REST OF THE LIMITS LARGELY MAINTAIN THE SAME. THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN THROW 90% DESIGN. WE WANT TO GET INTO A BIT OF WHAT IS THIS SYSTEM ACTUALLY LOOKING LIKE AT THE -- EACH PHASE OF THE PROJECT. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE COMING SLIDES COME ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU WILL HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUTS INCLUDED IN THE RFP. THESE WERE PROVIDED BY THE CITY. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THE PLAN SUBMITTAL. THIS IS WHAT WE INCLUDED IN OUR DESIGN. AS YOU CAN SEE, SEGMENT ONE, THIS COVERS THE SEGMENT OF THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION. RUNS ESSENTIALLY FROM A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AT THE END OF FRONT STREET TO THE EXISTING RESILIENCY SYSTEM THAT'S PART OF LOT C AND D. THE 90% PLANS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE SHOWING A STEEL SHEET PILE UP THE SUPPLY WALL HERE. THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE EARTH AND BERM ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. WHEN WE HAD IT ELIMINATED OUR CONSULTANT WE REALIZE THE EARTH AND BERM WOULD CAUSE A LARGE FOOTPRINT OF WETLAND IMPACTS IN THE SEGMENT, WHICH WE WANTED TO AVOID. WE PROPOSED TO SWITCH TO A SHEET PILE DESIGNED TO MAKE THAT FOR AND SMALLER. WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON NOW IS PULLING THIS RESILIENCY SYSTEM OUT OF THE WETLAND LINES. WE ARE WORKING WITH ISSUES WITH PROXIMITY TO THE EDGE OF THE PAYMENT. WE ARE HOPEFUL TO MOVE THIS OUT OF THE WETLANDS ENTIRELY. STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE CITIES NO DEVELOPMENT IN THE WETLANDS CLAUSE. AND TO EASE THE PERMITTING EFFORTS. SEGMENT TWO RESUMES AT THE NORTHERN END OF LOT C AND D AND CAN NEVER THE CONNECTION OF THAT RIVER WALK ACROSS THE PROGRAM. ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IN THE 90% PLANS IS BILLED EXPANDING SIDEWALKS. RESILIENCY WALL COMING HERE. AND THE RIVER WALK WOULD ACTUALLY BID THIS PORTION OF THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK COME DOWN THIS WAY, COME ACROSS THE BOAT RAMP AND ENTER RIGHT HERE THROUGH A SET OF HYDRO-PLANKS. THE HYDRA PLANKS ARE THE REMOVABLE STOP LOGS THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS IN LAW C AND D.WE WILL USE THE SAME SYSTEM SO IN THE STORM EVENT THE CITY WON'T HAVE TO FIND MULTIPLE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURE PIECES AND IT CAN PLUG AND PLACE THESE AS READILY AVAILABLE TO PREPARE FOR STORM. THE SEGMENT ALSO COVERS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP. WE ARE PROPOSING BUILDING A BRAND-NEW ONE. ESSENTIALLY GOING TO TAKE UP A VERY SIMILAR FOOTPRINT.
THE CONCRETE SUPPORTED SYSTEM, THE SAME AS YOU HAVE NOW.
ADDITIONALLY IT COVERS THE REMOVAL OF THE FIXED WOODEN DOCK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT IN TWO SETS OF THE FLOATING DOCKS TO HELP WITH BOAT STAGING, ESPECIALLY ON THE HOLIDAY WEEKENDS WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT. THIS WILL PROVIDE MORE STAGING AREA FOR THOSE BOATS TRYING TO USE THE RENT. THIS IS LARGELY REMAIN THE SAME THROUGHOUT THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE 90%. SEGMENT THREE CONSISTS OF BUILDING THE RESILIENCY WALL, WHICH WILL BE A STEEL SHEET PILE WITH THE WERE FORCED CONCRETE CAP AGAIN. THE C.A.P. IS BUILT UP TO THE ELEVATION OF NINE. ELEVATION MINE WAS IDENTIFIED IN RFP FROM THE CITY AS THE ELEVATION IN WHICH THE SYSTEM SHOULD BE BUILT TOO.
THAT'S CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL THE SEGMENTS OF THE PROJECT.
SEGMENT THREE WE ARE PROPOSING TO BUILD A -- CONSTRUCT A NEW SEAWALL IN FRONT OF. IN FRONT OF I MEAN WATER WORK OF THE EXISTING. THE REASON WE ARE GOING WATER WARD AND NOT LANDWARD IS WHAT WE HAVE TIEBACKS. SOIL ANCHORS THAT ROOM BEHIND THE WALL INTO THE GROUND. IF WE INSTALL THE WALL BEHIND IT WE WOULD COMPROMISE THOSE TIEBACKS AND POTENTIALLY COMPROMISE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT REPLACING THE EXISTING RIVERWALK THAT'S ON THE WATER.
WE WOULD BE REMOVING THAT AND INSTALLING A NEW RIVERWALK WITH CONCRETE PILES, WOODEN FRAMING, AND A CABLE STYLE RAILING TO MATCH WHAT IS EXISTING IN THE SEGMENT C AND D. THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR ONE CONSISTENT AESTHETIC OF THE PEDESTRIAN GUARDRAIL ACROSS DOWNTOWN. SEGMENT FOUR IS A SIMILAR CONCEPT SEGMENT THREE. SEGMENT FOUR STARTED ON -- AND RUNS DOWN TO THE RETURN OF THE PARKING LOT THERE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN SEGMENT THREE AND SEGMENT FOUR IS THAT SEGMENT FOR, WE ARE PROPOSING TO GO LAND-WORD. IT'S A STEEL WALL WITH A CONCRETE CAP. THE REASON WE CAN'T GO IN FRONT, IF YOU SEE HERE, THERE ARE BATTERED PILES HERE WHICH EFFECTIVELY ACT AS BRACES FOR THE EXISTING WALL. IF WE WERE TO DRIVE IN FRONT OF IT WE WOULD COMPROMISE THOSE, AND AGAIN COMPROMISE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. SEGMENT FIVE, CURRENTLY NO EXISTING BULKHEAD SYSTEM. THE LIMITS, AND AGAIN WE ARE WORKING ON THE WAY THE RFP WAS WRITTEN. WE ARE WORKING ON EXPANDING NOT TO PROVIDE A COMPLETE RESILIENCY SYSTEM. SEGMENT FIVE CONSISTS
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OF THE SAME THING. A STEEL SHEET PILE SYSTEM WITH A REINFORCED CONCRETE CAP WITH A DECORATIVE FENCE THAT WILL MATCH THE FENCE TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAIL CORE DOOR TO MATCH THE AESTHETIC. THAT'S LARGELY TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM WALKING OUT AND FALLING OUT INTO THE WATER. WHERE WE HAD WITH PERMITTING? WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT FOR UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS. ANYTIME YOU ARE BUILDING IN THE NAVIGABLE WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES, IN WHICH THE RIVER IS CONSIDERED ONE, OR WETLANDS, YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR WHAT IS A SINGLE AND COMPLETE PROJECTS PERMIT. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE WILL PERMIT OUR ENTIRE PROJECT IN ONE PHASE, BUT WE ARE TO BUILD MULTIPLE PHASES IF NEEDED. SEGMENT ONE, SO TO AND SEGMENT THREE. WE SUBMITTED FOR THE PERMIT FOR ARMY CORPS ON MAY 14TH OF THIS YEAR. AND ON JUNE 5TH WE RECEIVED THE FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS. ARMY CORPS CALLS THESE REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION'S. RAI 'S. IN THE RAI THERE WAS NOTHING ALARMING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY PREVENT US FROM OBTAINING THIS PERMIT. THERE ARE THINGS WE DISCUSSED IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SUBCONSULTANT THAT MAY EASE THE PERMITTING PROCESS. WE ARE WORKING ON IMPLEMENTING THOSE CHANGES. THE ARMY CORPS, WHEN THE ISSUE IN RAI YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND. FOR US IT WOULD BEEN JULY 5TH. WE HAVE NOT MADE THOSE RESPONSES AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT LIMITS AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS. AS SOON AS WE ARE READY TO SUBMIT, WE WILL RE-UPLOAD OUR INFORMATION TO ARMY CORPS, AND THEY WILL BEGIN WORKING ON THE PROCESS AGAIN. OUR PERMIT HAS BEEN, THE WAY THEY PHRASE A, WITHDRAWN. I THINK THAT IS A SCARIER TERM THAN IT IS. ALL THAT'S HAPPENED IS THE ARMY CORPS ESSENTIALLY IS SHOWING IN THE REPORTER THERE'S NO WORK FOR THEM TO COMPLETE. AS SOON AS WE UPLOAD OUR INFORMATION IT WILL REACTIVATE THE REVIEW CYCLE AND THEY WILL BEGIN REVIEWING WHAT WE SUBMIT. WITH ALL THAT SAID, WHAT IS THE PATH TO COMPLETION? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET THIS DESIGNED AND FINISHED DESIGN, PERMITTING AND BUILT? THE FIRST ITEM IS WE NEED TO FINALIZE THE LIMITS AND LAYOUTS OF THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM. OUR SCOPE WAS BASED ON THE LIMITS SET FORTH IN THE RFP AS WE DISCUSSED WITH CITY STAFF THERE IS A DESIRE TO AMEND THE LIMITS TO MAKE THIS A CONTINUOUS RESILIENCY WALL FOR DOWNTOWN.OR THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT. WORKING ON FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO GET THERE. WE CAN REACH OUT TO OUR SUBCONSULTANTS AND PREPARE ONE PROPOSAL FOR THE CITY TO AUTHORIZE THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE LIMITS OF THE PROJECT. ONCE WE'VE DONE THAT. WE WILL HAVE DESIGN UPDATES WE HAVE TO DO.
ONCE WE COMPLETE THOSE WE CAN SUBMIT TO THE ARMY CORPS OUR RESPONSES TO THE RAI. ONCE WE DO THAT IT WILL REACTIVATE IN THEIR SYSTEM, LIKE I WAS SAYING. AFTER WE DO THAT, ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY AGREEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE OBTAINED, ARMY CORPS WILL NOT REQUIRE US TO SUBMIT THE PHYSICAL PRIVATE PRETTY LEASE AGREEMENTS. ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WELL. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON GETTING THESE NEGOTIATIONS COMPLETE. CHARLIE WAS HANDLING A LOT OF THIS EFFORT. FORTUNATELY -- UNFORTUNATELY WITH HIS PASSING WE FALLEN BEHIND ON THAT. WE ARE EAGER TO GET BACK AND WORKING WITH THE CITY TO DO SO. ONCE WE HAVE THOSE AGREEMENTS WE WILL SUBMIT OUR ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER -- WATER MANAGEMENT APPLICATION. WHEN WE HAVE THE PERMIT IN HAND WE CAN PREPARE OUR FINAL 100% PLANS THAT ARE READY FOR CONTRACTOR TO BID FOR SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY DO THIS THING.
ANOTHER PIECE WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE CITY HAS ABOUT $2 MILLION OF EXISTING FUNDING WE NEED TO UTILIZE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE NEXT, I BELIEVE, 12 MONTHS.
WORKING WITH THE CITY, THEY HAVE SENT A CONCEPT HERE. THIS IS THE SEGMENT TO I WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER. HERE YOU'VE GOT THE EDGE OF LOT C AND D COMING INTO THE BOAT RAMP. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY DOING IS ADJUSTING THE LAYOUT HERE TO GET ALL OF THIS OUT OF THE WATER AND OUT OF THE WETLAND AREA HERE . IF WE CAN DO THAT, IT WILL REMOVE OUR REQUIREMENT FOR AN ARMY CORPS PERMIT, AND WE CAN BUILD THIS SEGMENT BEFORE WE HAVE THE ENTIRETY OF THE ARMY CORPS PERMIT IN HAND. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SPEND HOPEFULLY MOST OF THE FUNDING IF NOT ALL OF IT. IF WE CANNOT FIND A LAYOUT HERE WE LIKE THAT WE FEEL WE -- WORKS FOR FERNANDINA BEACH, WE CAN PULL SEGMENT ONE OUT OF THE WETLAND ON THE SOUTH END. IF THAT WALL IS OUTSIDE THE WETLAND, THAT WILL NO LONGER TRIGGER AN ARMY CORPS PERMIT. WE CAN BEGIN CONSTRUCTING THAT.
PHASE MAY COST MORE THAN $2 MILLION. THE WAY THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM IS SET UP, WE CAN BUILD AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN FOR $2 MILLION. LEAVE IT THERE. WHEN WE HAVE THE REST OF THE FUNDING
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SECURED WE CAN COME BACK AND CONTINUE. THOSE ARE TWO AREAS WE ARE OPTIMISTIC CAN BE UTILIZED TO USE THOSE FUNDS THE CITY CAN APPLY FOR MORE FUNDING. WITH THAT, THAT'S MOST OF THE UPDATES I HAVE . THANK YOU, ALL, FOR ME AND LETTING ME PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THIS PRESENTATION. I WOULD LOVETO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> MR. SALT, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL GO TO ANY COMMISSION ADDRESS QUESTIONS FOR MR. SALTZ.
>> GO BACK TO THE CONCEPT. >> I'M SORRY. IF WE HAVE TO
COME BACK. >> DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH TIME IS BETWEEN A, IF IT'S A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT WITH A CONTRACTOR DOESN'T NEED TO MOVE THEIR EQUIPMENT THERE LIKELY MAY NOT BE A TIME -- IT INVOLVED. IF IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TIME. WHERE THE CONTRACTOR WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN THE GRAINS TO DRIVE THE SHEETS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, AND MOVE OUT COMPLETELY, AND MOVE BACK IN, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE PAYING FOR THE MOBILIZATION TWICE.
>> I WOULD ASK -- CASEY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON
GLOBALIZATION? >> SINCE MOST OF THE WORK CAN BE DONE FROM THE LAND, IT'S MORE AFFORDABLE -- WE'VE SEEN MOBILIZATIONS RANGING FROM 25 $200,000. DEPENDING UPON THE CONTRACTORS WORKLOAD. TRANSPORTING IT ELSEWHERE, LONG DISTANCE COMING BACK.
>> GOOD QUESTION. MR. ROSS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR.
>> IN THE SOVEREIGN ORDERS OF OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
>> MY READING OF THE COMMENTS IS THAT THEY REQUIRE THE CITY TO PROVIDE A REASON OR REASONS OUR NON-ECONOMIC THAT THE SEAWALL CANNOT BE BUILT ALONG -- WHAT ARE THE REASONS YOU ARE GOING TO SUBMIT TO THE CORE -- CORP TO SUBMIT ?
>> SPEAKING WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SUBCONSULTANT , AND KIRK, THE PROJECT MANAGER PRIOR TO ME, ASSUMING THOSE DUTIES. CHARLIE AND SOMEONE HAD BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS RELATED TO THE BUTLER LINE, ESSENTIALLY HISTORICAL SHORELINE. CHARLIE FELT THERE WAS AN ARGUMENT TO BE MADE WHERE WE COULD ESSENTIALLY BUILD OUT CLOSE TO THE HISTORICAL SHORELINE. SPEAKING WITH OUR SUBCONSULTANT IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. IT'S MORE DIFFICULT AND ALMOST MORE PORTLY, VERY TIME-CONSUMING PROCESS FOR THE ARMY CORPS.
OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DO NOT HAVE GREAT JUSTIFICATION FOR GOING OUT THAT FAR PAST THE HIGH WATER LINE. WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF JUSTIFICATION IN THIS AREA WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE IT'S BUILT OVER THE MAIN HIGH WATER LINE. IT'S OUR BELIEF MORE THAN LIKELY THEY WILL REQUEST US TO BUILD A WALL AROUND THIS WAREHOUSE RATHER THAN CONTINUING THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM.
>> WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PROPOSE TO PUT THAT SEAWALL?
>> WHERE WE HAVE A SHOWN CURRENTLY, --
>> I KNOW WE HAVE A SHOWN CURRENTLY.
>> YOU ARE SAYING WHERE ARE WE PROPOSING TO PUT IT? THAT'S PART OF A LARGER DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THE CITY.
LIKELY EASIEST LOCATION FOR US TO DO THIS, AND BY EASIEST I MEAN MOST COST-EFFECTIVE AND MOST PREVENTABLE IS THE HIGH
WATER LINE. >> THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THIS, CORRECT?
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY WERE UNWILLING TO AGREE ON IT?
>> IF THEY WERE UNWILLING TO AGREE ON THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD A WALL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT THEIR
PERMISSION. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE
ALTERNATIVE? >> THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD, MOST LIKELY, -- THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS WE CAN LOOK INTO. A CONCEPT CHARLIE HAD US PREPARE IN SEGMENT FIVE, WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS MIDDLE GRAPHIC HERE. HERE'S OUR RESILIENCY WALL AND SEGMENT. THIS IS JUST NORTH OF THE CAFE. AN EXERCISE WE DID UNDER CHARLIE'S DIRECTION IS THE RESILIENCY WALL CONTINUING ALONG THE PROPERTY HERE AND RUNNING ALONG THE ROAD IN THIS DIRECTION, ACROSS THE PRIVATE RESIDENTS HERE, WITH A 20 FOOT GAP WITH THE HYDRO PLANK SYSTEMS WHERE THOSE WOULD GO IN. AND CONTINUE ALONG THE CITY PROPERTY.
ESSENTIALLY BLOCK OUT THE PARCELS AND INSTALL BETWEEN THEM. RIGHT AWAY IS VERY TIGHT BETWEEN PRIVATE PROPERTY LINES
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ON THE ROAD. BECAUSE OF THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA, AND WE'VE NOT HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE -- AND THIS IS A ROUTE WE ARE GOING TO PURSUE, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE. BECAUSE OF THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN CLEAR ZONE YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN -- OBSTRUCTION .DEPENDING ON WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS WE WOULD LIKE -- LIKELY NEED TO PROVIDE FOUR FEET OF CLEARANCE. WHEN WE DID THIS EXERCISE WITH CHARLIE WE FOUND WE DID NOT HAVE IT BETWEEN THE EXISTING ROADWAY AND PROPERTY LINES.
>> ALL THE WAY DOWN TOWARDS THE PORCH?
>> APOLOGIES. YOU ARE SAYING ALONG THIS LINE HERE?
>> I WOULD ASK YOU, WHERE WOULD YOU PUT -- IF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOT -- THERE ARE LIKE SIX PROPERTIES THERE. AREN'T WILLING TO COOPERATE. WHERE WOULD YOU PUT
THE SEAWALL? >> WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO LOOK AT A REDESIGN OF THE ROAD BY CHANGING THE WIDTH OF IT. WE CAN PUT IT EITHER ON THE SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE, JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH CLEARANCE WE HAVE FROM THE RAILROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD. HOW MUCH WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. WE CAN FIT RECONFIGURE THE ROAD TO GET TO WORK TO STAY WITHIN THE CITY PROPERTY. THAT EXERCISE HAS NOT BEEN FULLY VETTED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL PROJECTS. IT'S AN EXERCISE WE
CAN. >> BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, WHEN DID THE -- PROPERTY OWNERS TO SEE IF THEY WOULD AGREE OR NOT? WOULDN'T THAT BE THE NEXT STEP?
>> YES. >> WHAT WOULD YOU NEED FROM
THEM? >> ESSENTIALLY SIGNED AUTHORIZATION WE CAN BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY ALONG HIGH WATER LINE, OR WE WOULD LIKELY WANT TO DISCUSS WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD LOOK LIKE TO SEE IF THAT MAY IMPACT --
>> IN DISCUSSING THIS INTERNALLY, WE FEEL, ONE OF THE BEST OPPORTUNITIES, RIGHT NOW, IS FOR US TO HAVE INTERNAL STAFF WORKSHOP WITH THE NECESSARY STAKEHOLDERS WITH THE CITY TO HASH OUT ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND PARTS, LOOSE ENDS. AND SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES OF SOME OF THESE DECISIONS. CHARLIE WAS WORKING ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS. SOME OF THEM HE WAS NOT AS SUCCESSFUL MOVING FORWARD WITH FOR REASONS WE ARE NOT SURE OF. OTHERS WE WOULD GO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. IN ORDER TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING, IN A POSITIVE MANNER AND DIRECTION, I THINK HAVING THIS WORKSHOP INTERNALLY, AND THEN SECOND TO THAT, WE WOULD THEN WANT TO MEET WITH PROPERTY OWNERS WANT THE -- ONCE THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED THEIR POSITION ON WHICH DIRECTIONS THEY LIKE TO GO. WHICH OPTIONS THE MORE REASONABLE FROM A PROPERTY PERSPECTIVE. WE DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE COMPONENT, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE RIGHT AWAY'S. SOME OF THE LIMITS. THERE IS NINE FOR OFFSETS REQUIRED.
>> NINE FOOT FROM THE CENTER TRAFFIC . THEY ARE VERY CLEAR
ABOUT THAT. >> THAT CAN GO OUT INTO THE ROADWAY. HAVING TO SHIFT THE ROAD. GO INTO THE PROPERTIES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF THAT PREPPED BEFORE THE MEETINGS WITH THE CITY. DEFINITELY FEEL THERE IS A GOOD TEAM ENVIRONMENT TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS, GET THE NEXT STEPS
LAID OUT. >> I'M GOING TO ASK. WE'VE ALREADY PAID YOU $600,000. HOW MUCH MORE MONEY IS THIS GOING
TO COST? >> DEPENDS ON EXACTLY WHAT THE SCOPE OF IT NEEDS TO BE. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN WITH ALL MY SUBCONSULTANT ZIPPER, POSITIVE HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY IT'S LARGELY GOING TO BE A LINEAR EXPANSION. THE PROJECT WAS 2000 LINEAR FEET , AND CALL $600,000, AND WE WANT TO EXPANDED ANOTHER 1000 FEET, IT WOULD LIKELY BE SOMEWHERE PROPORTIONAL TO THAT.
>> SOME OF THE DESIGN WE HAVE DONE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE REPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S CONTINUOUS GOING ALONG. HOWEVER WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO AREAS WHERE WE HAVEN'T SURVEYED , AREAS WHERE GENOTYPE HASN'T BEEN DONE, AREAS WHERE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES HAVE NOT BEEN DONE, THAT'S WERE SOME OF THE IMPACTS HAPPEN TO US. IF WE ARE COMPLETELY CHANGING SYMPTOMS FROM SOMETHING WE'VE DESIGNED TO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THERE CAN BE COSTS -- COST VERITIES THERE. OVERALL , MAKE SURE WE ARE PROVIDING A FAIR PRODUCT AND ENSURE WE ARE GETTING THE BEST RESULTS.
>> ON THAT SEGMENT FIVE, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE PROPOSE THIS, THE RIVER WALK THAT WAS CONTINUOUS. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR DRAWINGS ON SEGMENT FIVE, THERE'S NO RIVERWALK.
>> YOU ARE SAYING CONTINUING THE RIVER WALK ALONG --
>> THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT -- GO BACK TO THE PLAN,
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WHICH WAS TO SEE THE VIEW , THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN TOLD TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY THAT THERE WOULD BE ARIVERWALK. >> AS MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THIS PROJECT HAS WENT , AND KIRK HAS BEEN VERY GRACIOUS IN ACCEPTING MY CALLS AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH HIM IN ON THAT, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT, WE NEVER PROPOSE TO BUILD THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM OUT NEAR SEGMENT FIVE. I DO NOT KNOW WHY THAT WAS ELIMINATED. OR WHEN THAT WAS ELIMINATED. BUT I CAN DIG INTO THE INFORMATION I GAVE YOU AN ANSWER.
>> WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE OWNER'S PERMISSION, CORRECT?
>> IF WE ARE BUILDING ALONG THE PROPERTY, THAT IS CORRECT.
>> FUNDING THIS , BUILDING THIS, WE WILL BE BUILDING IT ON PROPER -- PRIVATE PROPERTY. HOW DOES THAT WORK USING PUBLIC --
>> THAT'S A QUESTION FOR ME. >> OKAY.
>> THE SEAWALL IS GOING TO PROTECT ALL OF DOWNTOWN. THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IF YOU BUILD IT ON THE PROPERTY, ASSUMING THEY LET YOU DO THAT, THE CITY PAYS FOR CONSTRUCTION. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE CONSIDERED TO HAVE AN INCIDENTAL BENEFIT, PRIVATE BENEFIT, AND THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN SPEND PUBLIC FUNDS IF THERE'S AN INCIDENTAL BENEFIT WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH
MORE BENEFIT . >> WHAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE AN
EASEMENT? >> EASEMENT OR LEASE. LEGALLY WOULD WORK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERMITTING AGENCIES
REQUIRE. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY
REQUIRE? >> EASEMENT OR LEASE?
>> TRADITIONALLY, IF IT'S SUBMERGED LAND BEING LEASED ALREADY, A LOT OF TIMES THAT LEASE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE
MODIFIED. >> DEPENDING ON THE TERMS. IT'S A BIG PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
>> WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS GETTING AN AGREEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO FOR
OVER A YEAR. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE CAN SUBMIT FOR THE ARMY CORPS PERMIT AND SHOW THE LAYOUT WE WOULD LIKE WITHOUT HAVING ASSIGNED LEASE AGREEMENT IN
HAND -- >> WE DON'T KNOW THEY WILL EVEN AGREE TO THIS. WHY WOULD WE DO THAT?
>> I BELIEVE THAT IS WHY THE LATEST ITERATION, THE LAST COMMUNICATION I HAVE WITH CHARLIE WAS TO CHANGE THE LIMITS OF THE SYSTEM IN SEGMENT FIVE TO JUST COVER THE CITY PROPERTY. WE WERE NOT GIVEN A REASON AS TO WHY THAT WAS, BUT WE'VE NOT HEARD ANY FOLLOW-UP ON NEGOTIATIONS WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE . THE REQUEST WAS TO ONLY SHOW THE
WALL ON THE CITY PROPERTY. >> WHICH WON'T PROTECT THE
CITY FROM FLOODING. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU. MR. SAUL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, TOO. MR. SALT REFERRED TO WE NEED AN INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER MEETING. CAN I ASK YOU TO SET THAT UP WITH THE APPROPRIATE STAKEHOLDERS IN THE
>> THINK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT. TO HAVE A
DISCUSSION, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YEAH.
>> WORK WITH JEREMIAH ON WHEN APPROPRIATE TIME WOULD BE.
THAT'S ALL I NEEDED YOU FOR. ON TOP OF THAT, THIS IS A -- FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> STATE APPROPRIATION. >> YES, THANK YOU. I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE STATE OF FLORIDA WISHES FOR TOWNS LIKE OURS TO BE SAFE WE SEE -- TWO MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I'M JUST CURIOUS. AS RIGHT NOW, JUST SO I KNOW THE NUMBER OF TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS, LET'S SAY WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED ME WITH THE PHASES, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A GAP THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, IF WE TRY TO BUILD IT HAS DRAWN HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
>> WE HAVE NOT YET PREPARED A ROUGH MAGNITUDE AS -- ESTIMATE.
I DO NOT KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WHAT I WILL SAY, AND TYPICALLY FOUR WALLS OF THE STATURE, I BELIEVE WITH AND SEEING JUST FOR THE WALL PORTION ABOUT $6000 OF LINEAR
>> 6000 PER FOOT. HOW MANY FEET ARE WE TALKING?
>> I HAVE A MEASURED BUT THE ORIGINALS GO FOR ABOUT 1800 FEET OF BULKHEAD WALL, ESSENTIALLY. YOU'VE ALSO GOT ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BOARDWALKS. I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WOULD ESTIMATE THIS PROJECT IS
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PROBABLY GOING TO FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE -->> BE LOOKING FOR FROM THAT MEETING. PREMATURELY, I
>> ANOTHER DOLL -- DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE . WHAT'S THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO? THE HIGH WATER LINE WOULDN'T
INVOLVE BACKFILL. >> IN SEGMENT FIVE IT WOULD.
THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM IS PROPOSED TO GO . I WILL GO BACK TO OUR DRAWING IN SEGMENT FIVE HERE. THE EXISTING GRADE IN SEGMENT FIVE IS, I BELIEVE, AROUND FIVE POINT YOU RIGHT NOW. THE TOP IS -- EVEN IF WE BUILD THIS ALONG THE HIGH MAIN WATER LINE WE STILL HAVE TO BACKFILL. THE COST OF BACKFILLING ALONG THE HIGH MAIN WATER LINE, VERSUS IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT, BACKFILLING 40 FEET OF IT IS A
SIGNIFICANT CAUSE. >> IN YOUR EXPERIENCE. YOU ARE INVOLVED ALL THE TIME. WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO -- HOW DOES THE WIND BLOW? THAT'S A LOT OF FILL.
>> OF THAT SECTION. UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. ANTUN.
>> HYPOTHETICALLY WE HAD FUNDING. WHAT WOULD BE A
TIMELINE FOR FULL COMPLETION? >> FOR CONSTRUCTION OR DESIGN?
>> IF WE ARE READY FOR PERMITS NOW TO CONSTRUCT.
>> THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE INCLUDED IN THE RFP. I BELIEVE THE GIST OF IT WAS CHARLIE ESTIMATED ABOUT SIX MONTHS PER SEGMENT. IF A CONTRACTOR IS AWARDED ALL THE SEGMENTS AT ONCE, IT CAN START BUILDING MULTIPLE ATTEMPT, IT WILL INCREASE THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE AND COST. IT DEPENDS ON HOW A CONTRACTOR WANTS TO PHASES. I WOULD ESTIMATE , DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH OF THE SEGMENT, SEGMENT ONE IS MORE WALL THAN SEGMENT FOUR IS. IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO 9
MONTHS PER SEGMENT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER ROSS, GO AHEAD. >> CAN WE GO BACK TO THE
CONCEPT PLAN? >> THE LAYOUT WITH ALL PHASES?
YES, SIR. >> THAT STOPS AT THE RYAN PROPERTY . BUT THE WATER CAN GO THROUGH THE RYAN PROPERTY AND
COME INTO THE CITY, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.
>> FOR US TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT COMPLETELY PREVENTS FLOODING IN THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO GO ON THE RYAN PROPERTY AND NEGOTIATE WITH THEM INTO SOMETHING THERE, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, FIND A WAY.
>> GOING UP ON THE OTHER SIDE, PAST TO THE PORT, RIGHT THERE .
I USE ABOUT SIX FEET, SEVEN FEET. YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE
WAY TO THE PORT. >> AT SOME POINT THE ROADWAY GOES UP TO ELEVATION NINE. AT THAT POINT IT WILL BE AT THE SAME ELEVATION OF THE BULKHEAD WALL. OUR SURVEY LIMITS WERE NOT THAT FAR OUT. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT HAPPENS. THAT IS CORRECT. ESSENTIALLY UNTIL THE ROADWAY REACHES ELEVATION NINE AND THE GRADE IS BUILT UP THERE WE WOULD NEED A RESILIENCY WALL TO PROVIDE PROTECTION UP TO THAT
ELEVATION. >> LET'S GO BACK TO THE SOVEREIGN ORDERS OF THE STATE. YOU SAID IT WOULD INCREASE THE TIME . WHETHER THEY WOULD APPROVE THAT OR NOT, CORRECT?
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>> ARMY CORPS, YES. >> WAS THE PERCENTAGE CHANCES OF THEM APPROVING A PROJECT LIKE THIS? 10%? 50%. ANY
PERCENT? >> WHEN I ASKED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SUB CONSULTING ABOUT THAT THEY SAID EVERY PROJECT IS ESSENTIALLY UNIQUE AND THEY CANNOT MAKE ANY GUARANTEES ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY PIECE OF FEEDBACK WE CAN COMMIT TO IS WE DO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR A HIGH WATER LINE. TIMELINE, ROUGHLY 6 TO 9 MONTHS . THIS WILL TRIGGER A REVIEW FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE ARMY CORPS IF WE GO FURTHER OUT.
>> COULD GO AT THE MAIN WATER LINE AND DO THIS PROJECT.
>> MINIMIZE THE PERMITTING. >> I BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID IN THE PERMIT, WHEN THEY REJECTED THE PERMIT, THEY WANTED TO KNOW, BASICALLY SAID YOU CAN GO AT THE MEETING MINE, MEAN HIGH WATER LINE, AND THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE A JUSTIFICATION FOR GOING
OUT INTO THE -- >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A GRASP ON HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS TO GET THEM TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSE THAT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY TO GO THAT ROUTE. WE ARE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS?
>> DESIGN EFFORTS OR CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS?
>> BOTH. >> DESIGN EFFORTS, PROBABLY NOT BY MUCH. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE DESIGNED FOR. THIS IS THE DESIGN CONDITION WE HAVE NOW. IF WE NEED TO PULL THE WALL BACK, IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE DESIGN MUCH. IT WILL COST MINOR CHANGES TO THE LAYOUT, WHICH WE ARE HAPPY TO DO. AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION, AGAIN, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF EXTRA FILL BY PUTTING THE MEAN HIGH WATER LINE. THAT GOES ABOUT 50% EXTRA CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
>> INSTEAD OF $7000 A LINEAR FOOT, YOU ARE TALKING 10 OR
>> A LOT OF THAT IS DUE TO ABSORPTION OF MATERIAL, TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION METHODS. MAY HAVE TO CRAWL OUT OF THE --
INAUDIBLE ] >> WHERE THE BLUE LINE STARTS THERE, JUMP ACROSS THE STREET AND ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK.
>> THIS ONE HERE? >> NO, NORTH.
>> RIGHT THERE. THEY WENT ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN COST ALONG THAT , AND GOING
ALONG THE BORDER LINE. >> IF WE CAN MAKE THIS PORTION OF IT WERE, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS TO COME FROM BUILDING ALONG THE SIDE. THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE EASIER FOR THE SOLE SAKE OF THE SHEEP FILES THAT ARE REQUIRED, THE PHYSICAL WEIGHT OF STEEL , ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU PAY FOR WHEN YOU GET THESE, WILL DROP PRETTY DRASTICALLY. NOW WE ARE DEALING WITH A SIGNIFICANTLY -- RETAINING WATER FROM ONE SIDE AND NOT TRYING TO RETAIN A
LARGE MASS. >> 6000 LINEAR FOOT TO 1000?
>> -- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A THIRD OF A HOUSE. HALF THE
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>> THE ONE CAVEAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION WITH THAT, ASSUMING WE HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS TO THE ROADWAY. IF WE ARE JUST NEEDING TO REPAVE THE ROADWAY OF THE AREAS WE ARE TEARING UP, DRIVING THIS WALL, THAT'S ONE THING. IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING TO SHIFT THE ROADWAY, SHORTENING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR .
>> YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO TRY TO BUILD UP ALONG THE ROADWAY.
COMING. THANK YOU FOR SETTING UP THAT STAKEHOLDER MEETING WE NEED TO HAVE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. ESTHER SO I DO APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK. COMING IN AFTER OUR DEPARTURE.
SADLY WE ARE AS WELL, WITH THE PASSING OF MR. CHARLIE GEORGE.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TAKING UP THIS PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU . >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WITH THAT WE ARE A ITEM FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON CRA -RELATED. ANYTHING AT ALL.
ANYONE WISH TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT,
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