[00:00:01] >> TWENTY-FOURTH HEARING OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, [1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM] CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD IS NOW CALLED TO ORDER. BOARD SECRETARY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> MEMBER THOMPSON? >> HERE. >> MEMBER BOLITS? >> HERE. >> MEMBER KRESSE. >> HERE. >> VICE CHAIR SIGNS. >> HERE. >> IF WE CAN STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND THEN A PRAYER FROM REVEREND AFTERWARDS. >> THANK YOU. >> >> LET'S PRAY. OUR FATHER, OUR GOD THAT COMES TO YOU A LORD, AND WE SAID THANK YOU FOR MANY BLESSINGS. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MULTITUDE OF TENDER MERCIES. NOW LORD WE BOOK YOUR PRESENCE MEETING OF THE COURT ENFORCE APPEALS BOARD OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA. LORD, LEAD AND GUIDE IN A MANNER THAT'S PLEASING IN THAT SITE, PRAISE, HONOR, AND GLORY. AND THE PEOPLE OF GOD SAID, >> AMEN. >> AMEN. >> THANK YOU. >> IF EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM THE WORKSHOP THAT WE DID ON MAY 30TH OF THIS YEAR, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> SO PASSED. EVERYONE HAS HAD A CHANCE TO [3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] REVIEW THE MINUTES OF THE LAST CODE BOARD HEARING ON JUNE 4TH OF THIS YEAR, 2024. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> SECONDED. >> THANK YOU. SO TAKEN. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? >> YES. 4.4 AND 4.5 HAVE BEEN REMOVED. 44 AND 45. >> BOARD ATTORNEY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND DESCRIBE THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, PLEASE? >> ABSOLUTELY. MY NAME IS TAMMI BACH, I'M THE SIGNATORY FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. AND BEFORE I DESCRIBE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING PROCEDURES, I WANTED TO ASK, ARE YOU PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IN THESE OLD BUSINESS CASES? >> NOT REALLY. IT'S OKAY. IT SHOULD BE EITHER YES OR NO, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HOW WE'VE BEEN PROCEEDING IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MOTIONS IN THESE OLD BUSINESS CASES ALREADY WHERE THE BOARD HAS FOUND VIOLATIONS OF THE CODE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> WELL, THE LAST CASE IS COMING FOR FINE REDUCTION. >> I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT ONE IS NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL, BUT THE OTHER 41, 42, 43? >> FOUR ONE IS COMING FOR AN UPDATE BECAUSE THE BOARD REQUESTED HE COMES BACK IN SIX MONTHS FROM THE JANUARY HEARING. >> OKAY. >> AND THEN THE PEMBROKE MISS JENKINS, SHE'S GOING TO COME AND EXPLAIN HER CASE WHY SHE'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE. >> BUT IS THAT A CONTINUATION OF OUR EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY OR IT'S ASKING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? >> I GUESS IT WOULD BE A CONTINUANCE. >> BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT ADDING NEW EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY TO THE RECORD, WE DON'T HAVE TO HOLD A HEARING. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU'RE HERE FOR YOUR CASE ON PEMBROKE, IS THAT YOU WILL NOT BE LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GET TO SPEAK. JUST LIKE WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE WITH YOUR PARTNER. AND YOU GET TO SPEAK AS LONG AS YOU NEED TO. YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL WITNESSES, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CITY CODE OFFICERS. IF THERE'S AN APPEAL ON A FINAL DECISION MADE BY THE CODE BOARD, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS, ABOUT 35 CALENDAR DAYS FROM THE TIME THE CHAIR SIGNS IT. IF THERE IS A NEW FINDING TONIGHT OR CONCLUSIONS OF LAW OR ANYTHING, THAT'LL BE SIGNED, AND THEN YOU ONLY HAVE 35 DAYS. AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE APPEARING VIRTUALLY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT TAKING NEW EVIDENCE TONIGHT. THE 213 NORTH THIRD STREET, LINDA HOWISON? THAT IS AN UPDATE AS WELL? >> SHE IS IN COMPLIANCE, BUT THERE IS NO FINES BUT THE ADMIN FEES. >> I THINK THAT'S FINE. I THINK THAT'S ADEQUATE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT TONIGHT OR PROCEDURES OR YOUR RIGHTS AT ALL? >> NO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO DO TONIGHT. >> OKAY. HAVE ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO ANY OF THE CASES ON THE AGENDA? >> NO. >> BOARD SECRETARY, IF YOU CAN SWEAR IN ALL THE WITNESSES [00:05:03] WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING TONIGHT IF THERE ARE ANY? >>OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH OLD BUSINESS. [4.1 RUTH E MAESTRE & PAUL A LORE, 11 S 7TH ST., CASE 2021-0073] FIRST UP IS 4.1. IT IS CASE NUMBER 2021-0073. >> ALL RIGHT. >> CAN YOU ASK MR. LAURA IF HE CAN HEAR US? HEY, MR. LAURA, CAN YOU HEAR US? >>HEY, I CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. >> AWESOME. [INAUDIBLE] >> REALLY PROJECT. YES, PLEASE. >> [INAUDIBLE] ON HER WAY. >> SHE IS HERE RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE]. MISS CRYSTAL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SETTING THAT UP. >> OF COURSE, ANYTIME. >> SO DO YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR RUTH TO SPEAK OR DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON YOUR CASE? >> I DON'T WANT TO HOLD YOU UP. I CAN START SPEAKING, FIRST ON THE RUN HERE. >> WELL, RUTH IS HERE NOW, AND SO RUTH, YOU CAN GO TO THE PODIUM IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD. >> IT PLEASES THE BOARD. >> I APOLOGIZE, PAUL'S ON DRUGS. LITERALLY. TAKES LONGER TO MOVE HIM NOW THAN IT USED TO RIGHT NOW. RUTH MESTRE, 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU. WE'RE WORKING ON THE HOUSE. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY IT, WE GET THE PORCHES THE BASIC PART OF THE PORCHES ARE DONE, WHERE WE NOW SEEING HOW THE OLD PARTS ARE GOING TO FIT INTO THE NEW PARTS. WE HAD TO GO BECAUSE WE HAD TO TAKE THE PORCHES DOWN, WE HAD TO GO TO CODE TO PUT THEM BACK ON. WE'RE STILL IN THE PHASE OF WORKING ON THAT. THAT'S KIND OF A BIG PROJECT TO GET THE MAIN PART OF THE RAILINGS ON. OUR NEXT PROJECT AFTER THAT IS ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE ALL THE UTILITY THINGS ARE. WE'RE GOING TO GO THERE AND START WORKING ON THAT, BUT WE REALIZE THAT A LOT OF THAT WOOD NEEDS TO COME OFF. WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH ORIGINAL WOOD FROM THE HOUSE THAT'S FROM THE INSIDE PORCH. >> THAT'S SOME OF THE FIGURES AND PICTURES I TOOK THIS MORNING. >> YES. ON THAT SECTION, WE NEED TO TAKE OFF A LOT OF THOSE BOARDS. THEY LOOK OKAY, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY OKAY. AT ONE POINT A LONG TIME AGO IN THE HOUSE'S HISTORY, THE BACK PORCH WAS ENCLOSED. THERE'S A LOT OF ORIGINAL SIDING THERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT OFF AND USE THAT SIDING HERE. BUT WE WANTED TO GET THE PORCHES ON JUST TO GET THE STABILITY OF THAT OF THAT GOING. >> WELL, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, THE TWO PORCHES NEED THE HANDRAILS AND THE BALUSTERS. >> YES. >> THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE DOING SOME PREP WORK ON THE SIDING. I GUESS THAT STRUCTURE IN THE REAR. >> THIS STRUCTURE ON THE REAR ON THE OTHER SIDE IS WE'VE BEEN WAITING TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT PARTICULAR SECTION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE PORCH PUT ON IT. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE HCC, AND RECENTLY, JOSE WAS PULLING THAT OUT OF ALL OF THE OTHER DRAWINGS SO THAT PERMIT COULD BE SEPARATE. BUT WE HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED TO, WE'RE WORKING WITH BUILD THE LAST. I THINK THAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT PORCH ON THAT, WHICH WILL MEAN THAT ON THAT FAR SIDE, WHICH WE FOUND OUT WAS THE ORIGINAL SUMMER KITCHEN TO THE HOUSE. WE FOUND SOME RELATIVES SHOWED UP ONE DAY. THIS LITTLE SECTION BACK HERE. THAT'LL HAVE BESIDES JUST A SMALL PORCH ON IT, IT'LL HAVE A DOOR AND TWO WINDOWS. THE DOOR IS AN ORIGINAL DOOR ALSO FROM THE BACK ENCLOSED PORCH THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OVER. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OVER THERE. THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO WORK ON THE REST OF THE SIDING THERE. BUT THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, ON THE EXTERIOR, THAT'S OUR NEXT FOCUS ON THAT. THE WOOD THAT'S ON THE LOT, THERE'S A LOT OF WOOD. WE'VE HAD TIME TO LOOK THROUGH IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN USE AND WHAT WE CAN'T USE. WE WERE GOING TO TRY AND DO IT BEFORE PAUL'S SURGERY. HE'S GOT A NEW KNEE, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, BUT THEN IT STARTED RAINING AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THAT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS BECAUSE PAUL'S OUT OF IT FOR THE NEXT MONTH. BUT WORKING WITH SOME PEOPLE THAT SOME OF THEM WANT THE WOOD, AND SOME OF THE WOOD WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER PURPOSES IN THE HOUSE FOR THAT. [00:10:03] AS I SAID, LIKE THE BALUSTERS GOING ACROSS. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW THOSE FIT. WE NEED THE COLUMNS TO BE SECURE BEFORE WE SEE HOW THE BALUSTERS FIT BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY AN UNUSUAL DESIGN AND THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST FLUSH TO THE POST. THEY ACTUALLY ARE CUT AT AN ANGLE AND THEN FLAT AND FIT INTO MOLDING THAT GOES AROUND THE POST AT THAT POINT. IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL DESIGN. THEY TRIED TO MAKE THEM AT THE SAME SIZE AS THEY WERE BEFORE, BUT IF THEY DON'T, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MODIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT, THEN I'M SLOWLY WORKING ON THE CARBALS, TO GET THOSE ALL CLEANED UP AND REPAINTED. THEY HAVE YEARS OF GUNKY PAINT ON THEM. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. LOTS OF GUNKY PAINT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE, SORRY ABOUT THE SIGN. >> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, BOARD, I COULD BE WRONG. I THOUGHT TONIGHT WAS GOING TO BE WHERE YOU DECIDED IF THERE WAS ANY MORE TIME THAT WAS GOING TO BE GIVEN AND POSSIBLY ADMINISTERING FINES AT THIS POINT. BUT THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE OF THE BOARD'S DECISION. BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TONIGHT. WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS OF COURSE, IT'S AFTER SIX MONTHS BECAUSE WE MISSED THE MEETINGS. HAD ANY ROLE ON THAT, CRYSTAL? >> NO. REQUESTING BOARD DETERMINATION, WHATEVER THEY DECIDED. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT ALL AS FAR AS WHAT OUR ROLE IS WITH THIS CASE THIS EVENING? CHIP, OTHER THAN WHAT SHE HAS DESCRIBED, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BALANCE. >> NOTHING AS FAR AS OUR VIOLATIONS IS WHAT WE WROTE UP ORIGINALLY. A LOT OF THOSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED, LIKE ALL THOSE ROTTEN BALUSTERS, AND HANDRAILS, ALL THAT STUFF IS GONE. LIKE I SAID, THE ONLY VIOLATION AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL CASE IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE, SOME PREP WORK DONE AND PAINTED. >> THIS SPECIFIC PART, ONLY NOT THE BACK KITCHEN PART? >> THAT ALSO. I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE PEELING PAINT ON THAT REAR STRUCTURE ALSO. >> THERE PROBABLY IS ON THAT. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SUMMER KITCHEN. I REALLY JUST HAVEN'T MESSED WITH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THERE, SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO IT TWICE. THE FLAT SIDE THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BAY WINDOW, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF SANDING ON THAT. AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE ON THE ONE SECTION, SOME CONSTRUCTION. THEN WHEN THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE AIR CONDITIONER UNIT, WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEN I CAN GET BEHIND THERE AND DO SOME WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BACK THERE AS WELL. WE ARE WORKING ON IT SLOWLY. THIS YEAR'S THROW A LITTLE BIT OF A WRENCH. I WAS OUT WITH SOME FAMILY THINGS IN MAY AND JUNE, NOW PAUL IS OUT FOR A MONTH OR MORE. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE CHAOTIC THIS YEAR. >> OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE WORK THERE, BUT IF IT'S TOUCH-UP STUFF, IT MIGHT BE WORTH DOING TO CLOSE THE CASE IF YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE FRONT PART, AND IT'S VERY LIMITED TO DEAL WITH PEELING PAINT TO CLOSE THE CASE. >> OKAY. >>JUST A SUGGESTION. YOU KNOW THE DETAILS BETTER. I THINK THE CITY DOES, BUT THERE'S CLEARLY PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE. >> CAN I GET A REVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE REGARDING FINES BEFORE WE DECIDED TO POSTPONE? >> WELL, THE BOARD FOUND VIOLATION, AND THEY DECIDED TO POSTPONE OR DELAY ACTION ON ASSESSING ACTUALLY THE FEES AND THE VIOLATION FINES. >> WHAT WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON THAT THAT WE DECIDED TO POSTPONE? THAT MIGHT BE HERE, I DID NOT LOOK AT THE BACK CLEARLY. >> I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT WAS MADE BACK IN OCTOBER 7 IN THE ORIGINAL. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> A RECOMMENDATION. [00:15:12] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> ADMINISTRATIVE FEES WERE $757, IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T HAVE MY READING GLASSES ON. >> YES, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS THERE. BUT IS THAT STILL THE AMOUNT? NO. DO WE HAVE THE AMOUNT? >> I WOULD THINK IT HAS GONE UP. IT WOULD BE HIGHER. >> WITH ALL THE WAYS THAT WE CAN PUT ON [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE IS NEEDED TO CLEAR THE CASE SO THAT FRONT PORTION AND THE PEELING PAINT? >> WELL, IF YOU HAD ASKED ME IN JANUARY, [LAUGHTER] I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY, BUT LIFE'S THROWN US A FEW CURVEBALLS, AND WE'RE JUST NOT THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME IN FROM UP NORTH WITH A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO SOMETHING. >> THE PERSON WHO REPAIRED YOUR TWO PATIOS, IS THAT THE SAME PERSON THAT'S GOING TO PUT IN ALL THE RAILINGS? >> YEAH. >> WHAT IS HIS WORK SCHEDULE? >> I HAVEN'T TALKED TO HIM ABOUT WHEN HIS WORK SCHEDULE. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON STAND IT DOWN. >> FOR A SECOND, JUST TO GIVE SOME INFORMATION TO THE BOARD. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRAFTY BY THIS. THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS WE HAVE BEEN REALLY HUGELY HAVE MADE MILESTONES ON THAT HOME AND HAVE MADE MILESTONES IN THAT HOME IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT WAY STRUCTURALLY MORE THAN JUST TRYING TO SATISFY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S NEVER BEEN OUR ULTIMATE GOAL. OUR ULTIMATE GOAL HAS BEEN TO PRESERVE THE STRUCTURE OF THAT HOUSE. THAT IS TENDERS YEARS TO COME. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AS WE'RE GOING AROUND THAT STOP SIGN AND TRY AND JUST TO COVER UP SOMETHING TO SAY THAT IT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENT, AND THEN TO REOPEN IT BACK UP. I'VE BEEN STRICTLY OPPOSED TO THAT FROM DAY 1 AND I THINK IT SERVED CODE ENFORCEMENT, THE HDC, AND THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE HOUSE WELL. I THINK EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO EVEN THE PLAN THAT CHARLIE THAT TIME WROTE OUT, A LOT OF THOSE MILESTONES ARE BEING HIT. AND I DON'T WANT NOW THAT I'M LAID UP LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DELAY IN THE PROCESS. RUTH AND I HAVE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO TRY NOT THAT DELAYED. YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR CONTRACTOR ROB BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO STEP IN A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE STEPPING BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEY WERE DOING SOME MORE ITEMS NORMALLY THAT WE WERE GOING TO TAKE TO DO ON THE PORCH. I'VE HAD THEM COMPLETE. NOW, WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ROB LAST WEEK. I NEED THAT CORNER OF THE HOUSE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THE RIGHT WAY. ALL THAT SIDING HAS GOT TO COME DOWN SO WE CAN SEE WHAT'S IN THERE THAT'S NOT FUNCTIONING RIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME ROCK THAT'S GOT TO GET TAKEN OUT. WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT JUST LIKE WE DID, THE OTHER CORNER PROPERLY. THE REASON WE HAVE INTENDED TO DIVIDING ON THAT HOUSE IS BECAUSE THAT WHOLE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AND THE SLAB AND ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DISCONNECTED AND PULLED OVER AND THEN THAT LITTLE BUILDING, THE ROOF IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY TAKEN OFF OF IT. THEY'RE READY TO LAUNCH ON THIS AND IN A BIT [INAUDIBLE] BUT THAT WHOLE ROOF IS GOING TO COME OFF. A NEW METAL ROOF IS GOING TO GO ON AND THAT'S JUST THE EXISTING MAIN STRUCTURE ROOFING, SO IT WILL BE METAL MATCHING METAL. THEN A NEW FRONT PORCH IS GOING TO BE PUT ON WITH THE PRESERVATION OF A DOOR THAT'S COMING FROM THE BACK AND TWO WINDOWS. I DON'T KNOW IF THE IMPORTANCE OF FIGURING OUT THE FINE OVER THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT HOUSE IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND IT'S JUST LOOKING BEAUTIFUL. >> THANK YOU. RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. OFFICER WELLS, [00:20:06] WHAT EXACTLY NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THIS DWELLING TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORIGINAL PROBLEMS THAT YOU FOUND? >> WELL, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT HOUSE IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S ACTUALLY REMAINING IN VIOLATION BECAUSE THE HAND RAILS AND THE BALUSTERS HAVE ALL BEEN REMOVED, WHICH THEY WERE ALL ROTTEN. THEY REMOVED THAT SO THAT ALLEVIATES THAT VIOLATION, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE HAND RAILS AND BALUSTERS ON THESE PORCHES FOR IT TO BE [OVERLAPPING] >> BOTH LEVELS ARE JUST ONE RECOMMENDATION. >> NO, I THINK IT'S HIGH ENOUGH ON THE BOTTOM THAT IT HAS TO HAVE. >> WELL, FROM THE ORIGINAL CASE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, I'M SURE THERE WAS SOME ROTTEN WOOD THERE, AND ALSO THERE WAS PEELING AND AND CHIPPING PAINT ON THAT SIDE. THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHAT'S LEFT FROM THE ORIGINAL CASE. THEY'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB AND I COMMEND THEM FOR THAT, BUT WE'RE GOING ON THE THREE-YEAR MARK RIGHT NOW FROM WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS BEFORE THE CO-BOARD ORIGINALLY. THIS IS WE'RE RIGHT AT THREE YEARS ON IT. >> IF I CAN INTERJECT ON THE BOARD, WHY DOES IT MATTER? IF THE INTEREST IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HOME AND THE INTEREST IN THE CITY AND THE INTEREST OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IF JUST SLAPPING A BAND AID IS MORE IMPORTANT OR IS IT MORE IMPORTANT TO REALLY TRY TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE HOME? IT SHOULDN'T MATTER IF I COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. WE'VE DONE THAT IN EVERY MILESTONE AND WE'VE MADE HUGE TURNS AT EVERY MILESTONE. >> MAYBE I CAN CLARIFY MY COMMENT, BECAUSE YOUR ONGOING CONSTRUCTION AND PRESERVATION AND RENOVATION OF THE HOUSE IS ALSO SOMEWHAT SEPARATE FROM THE ORIGINAL CASE. UNDERSTOOD ABOUT PUTTING THE BALUSTERS AND REPLACING THAT DECAYED WOOD. BUT IF REALLY THE REST OF IT IS A FIX OF A BIT OF PEELING PAINT THAT WOULD BRING YOU INTO COMPLIANCE, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING HERE AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO KEEP CHECKING AND ADMINISTERING FINES AND YOU DEAL WITH YOUR PERMIT WITH THE HDC FOR THE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT IS SEPARATE FROM WHAT IS THIS CASE, IT MAY BE IN YOUR BEST INTERESTS TO DO THAT. THEN I THINK WITH THAT IN MIND FOR WHAT IS REQUIRED TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL TIME WOULD BE NEEDED? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE. >> WELL, I THINK IF WE'RE ARGUING THAT WAY THEN, I WOULD SAY THE HOUSE IS IN COMPLIANCE. BECAUSE A LOT OF THE SOUTHSIDE STUFF WAS DONE, WAS RECREATED. THERE'S MORE DAMAGE THERE NOW FROM TAKING IT APART TO LOOK AT WHAT'S SAILING IN THERE. THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THE ORIGINAL CASE. >> I THINK IT WILL BE COMPLIANT WHEN THE BALUSTERS ARE DONE AND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS DONE THEN IT'S DONE. >> WELL, THERE IS PEELING PAINT ON THAT SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND KEEPS IT IN VIOLATION AND KEEPS THIS CASE OPEN. NOW, THE OTHER STUFF, THAT'S AFTER THE FACT. >> I CAN WORK ON THAT. >> SEE AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, HE STATES THERE'S NO PEELING PAINT OVER THERE BUT THERE IS PEELING PAINT, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE. >> NO, I'M NOT STATING THAT THERE'S NO PEELING PAINT. I'M STATING THAT WE ENDED UP PEELING MORE PAINT OVER THERE TO TRY TO FIND. WHAT WE FOUND IS THE PAINT WAS PEELING, WE'RE FINDING THAT THERE'S A REASON. THAT'S THE PART THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING IN THERE. IS THAT PAINT PEELED FOR A REASON. THERE'S A FAILURE POINT SOMEWHERE IN THE STRUCTURE, IN THE SIDING, IN THE HOUSE THAT'S CAUSING THAT PAINT TO PEEL. BUT IF IT COULD HAVE TAKE, YES, BECAUSE I'M ALSO AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND AN EXPEDITIOUS WAY. I GET THAT WITH GOOD INTENTIONS BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HOUSE, NOT MOVING THE FLOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE FINE. WAS THAT DANGEROUS SIZE WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF MIXING OF WHAT WAS THE RENOVATION, PRESERVATION, AND WHAT WAS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT? [00:25:04] WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO DO THAT OUT IN THE RIGHT WAY. BUT IF IT'S JUST GOING IN THERE AND SPRAY THEM, THEN WE'RE JUST PUTTING SPRAY PAINT OVER THE HOUSE, AND THAT'S GOING TO SATISFY THOSE SPRAY PAINT OVER THE HOUSE AND TRYING TO MOVE ON. >> I LIKE THE ARGUMENT OF THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] TO THE NEXT. >> I LIKE THE ARGUMENT THAT MEMBER KRESSE MADE. AS FOR THE PEELING PAINT, I HAVE A SON, THAT'S WHAT HE DOES FOR A LIVING. PAINT ONLY PEELS BECAUSE OF POOR SURFACE PREPARATION IN THE BEGINNING. HE HAS PAINTED FOR MANY YEARS. HE'S NEVER GONE BACK TO A HOUSE THAT HE PAINTED THAT PEELED BECAUSE HE TAKES ALL THE PAINT OFF AND HE PRIMES THAT ANY PAINTS. IF YOU DO POOR SURFACE PREPARATION, THE PAINT IS GOING TO PEEL EVENTUALLY. >> THE CITY'S STANDPOINT IS THAT WE ARE STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE, AS THE BOARD, MANDATED TO RULE ON. BACK TO THE QUESTION, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE WEATHER, A LOT OF IT. THAT FRONT SECTION THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THERE'S BEEN NO PREP DONE ON THAT SECTION, BUT BEHIND IT, THERE HAS BEEN PREP DONE ON THOSE SECTIONS. THAT PART WOULD GO RELATIVELY QUICKLY. NOW, THIS SECTION, WE FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THAT WOOD NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF AND REPLACED, AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO GET THE ELECTRICAL PEOPLE IN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE EVERYTHING IS GOING, IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. THAT'S A BIGGER JOB THAN, I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE ON THAT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF THE WORK OURSELVES AS WE SAID FROM BEGINNING AND THAT WE ARE SLOWER. I KNOW THEN ENFORCEMENT WANTS US TO BE, THEY'VE BEEN VERY LENIENT ON THAT. BUT WE'RE ALSO BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL AND REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THAT HOUSE. >> RECOMMENDATIONS, PLEASE? >> I RECOMMEND TO FIND THEM IN VIOLATION AND GIVE THEM X AMOUNT OF TIME TO REPAIR THIS THE RIGHT WAY. PUTTING A BAND AID ON THIS DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY. >> WE'RE NOT SAYING PUTTING A BAND AID, BUT CLOSING THE CASE AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT FOR THE ADDITIONAL UPDATES ARE A DIFFERENT THING THAT REQUIRE YOU TO NOT CONTINUE TO COME BACK AND TAKE YOUR TIME TO UPDATE THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS, RIGHT? >> YEAH. OUR STANCE ORIGINALLY WAS WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST COME IN AND JUST THROW PAINT ON THE HOUSE BECAUSE THEN WE'D JUST BE END UP REDOING IT AGAIN. >> WE UNDERSTAND THAT. >> DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THIS? >> NO, THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE WRITTEN. >> YOUR POINT? >> WHERE ARE WE AT ON ADMINISTRATIVE FEES? DO WE EVEN KNOW WHERE WE WERE AT? >> YEAH. CRYSTAL JUST GAVE ME A FIGURE. IT WAS 636.94. THERE WAS SERVICE REDUCTIONS ON THAT SHEET THAT SHE SHOWED YOU A MINUTE AGO. THE ADMIN FEES ARE 636.94. >> THOSE ARE THE ADMIN FEES, $636.94, IF YOU ALL DIDN'T GET THAT. ANY MOTIONS? >> DO WE THINK AN ADDITIONAL FOUR MONTHS TO PUT THE BALUSTERS UP AND ADDRESS THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT IS SUFFICIENT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE KEEP COMING BACK, THEY HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK. THE CITY HAS TO KEEP GOING FOR AN INITIAL FINDING THAT IS TIED TO SOMETHING ELSE. >>SO FAR NO FEES HAVE BEEN LEVIED AGAINST THEM. THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY FINES, AND THIS IS GOING ON THREE YEARS, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS SO WE CAN MOVE ON. >> AS SOME OF THE PROFESSIONALS IN THERE, WHAT DO WE FEEL WOULD BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME? >> WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE CONTRACT ANALYSIS. [00:30:02] IT'S THE SAME GUY THAT I HELPED. YOU DOING THIS WORK YOURSELF? >> WE'RE DOING IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH ROB. HE'S BEEN REALLY GREAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO A LOT OF THE WORK OURSELVES. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST AND TELL YOU THAT I HAVE FOUND OUT PERSONALLY THAT I'M NOT AS YOUNG AS I THOUGHT I WAS. [LAUGHTER]. A LOT OF THINGS I THOUGHT I COULD DO OR I COULD HAVE DONE 10 YEARS AGO EVEN ARE MORE DIFFICULT NOW. WHENEVER WE HAVE A JOB WITH ROB, WE TELL HIM WHAT WE CAN DO, AND THEN HE DOES EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT'S THE WORKING ARRANGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD WITH HIM, WHICH ALLOWS US TO STILL BE INVOLVED AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE LIMITS. >> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO SET A DATE CERTAIN AND THEN HAVE THE FINE START AT THAT POINT, WHATEVER DATE YOU DECIDED THAT TO BE. >> HOW DOES THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT SIX MONTHS? >> LET ME SAY THIS. NOW, MS. NICOLE ASKED YOU TWO TIMES FOR AN ESTIMATED DATE OF COMING INTO COMPLIANCE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT FOR POSSIBLE WEATHER, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT FOR WHATEVER, CAN YOU GIVE US A BALLPARK DAY? >> I WOULD THINK AT THIS POINT, REALLY A BALLPARK, I THINK SIX MONTHS, THAT GIVES US SOME LEEWAY WITH WEATHER. THERE'S BEEN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RAIN EVEN JUST GETTING THE PORCHES ON WITH THE DECKS AND EVERYTHING WAS A LITTLE. >> WELL, WE'RE GOING INTO THE DRY SEASON. >> YEAH, I'LL BE HAPPY FOR DRY SEASON. I'M ABOUT TIRED OF RAIN. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT SEEMS REASONABLE [OVERLAPPING] AT THIS POINT IN TIME. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APRIL? >> MR. LORI, IS HE ON BOARD OF THIS? WHAT IS HIS TAKE ON IT? >> PAUL ARE YOU STILL THERE? >> YEAH, I MIGHT TAKE IT FRONTAL. WE JUST KEEP WORKING HARD LIKE WE'RE DOING, 6-8 MONTHS DEFINITELY SHOULD BE A GOOD GAP TO GET THE REST OF THAT PIECE DONE. THAT COSTIMATE WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH THE TIMELINE BETWEEN GETTING THE HELP TO ENGAGE, THE WEATHER AND THE HEAT, [INAUDIBLE] WHICH JUST KEEPS BEING [INAUDIBLE] ON ACQUISITION. I GET IT FROM THE CITY'S STANDPOINT THAT THERE'S A HUGE PART OF IT THAT DOESN'T GET IT BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS JUST GOING IN SUCH A POSITIVE AND RIGHT WAY. BUT YET, I GUESS I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET IT OFF THE DOCKET AND I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET AWAY FROM HEARING AND AFTER TONIGHT, I'M PROBABLY AT THE SAME POINT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO YOU ALL BECAUSE IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S JUST NOT MAKING SENSE AT ALL. HOPEFULLY THE NEXT PHASE WILL BE 6-8 MONTHS AND WE'LL HAVE A NEW PORCH UP ON THE SIDE, AND WE'LL HAVE THE BALUSTERS UP AND ALL THAT. >>THANK YOU. >> HOPEFULLY THE GOLF PARK WON'T MOVE. >> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S GET A PROPOSAL, PLEASE. A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO FIND THIS PROPERTY IN VIOLATION AND TO GIVE THEM A SIX-MONTH PERIOD TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, AND THIS IS THE LAST SIX MONTHS. >> THEN WHAT? >> THEN WE WILL BEGIN FINES. >> WE ASSESS THE FEES. >> WHAT ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES? >> DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT NOW? >> YOU HAD ALREADY HAD A MOTION TO ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. [OVERLAPPING] >> SO IT'S DONE? [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] HEARING, SO THAT HAS BEEN DONE. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT HAS BEEN DONE? [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, IT'S JUST A PART OF THE FINES. >> YOUR MOTION THEN IS PROF IS IN VIOLATION, WE GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE ON THE BALUSTERS AND THE SOUTH SIDE REPAIRS. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY WOULD BE APRIL 3RD, THAT WOULD BE OUR HEARING. THAT'S A THURSDAY. DO YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT DAY, ON OR BEFORE THAT DAY, OR WOULD IT FALL TO THE MAY HEARING? [OVERLAPPING] [00:35:02] >> SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY. [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY [INAUDIBLE]. NEVER MIND. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'D FALL TO THE MAY HEARING? >> THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'M SORRY. >> THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK SOON. [OVERLAPPING] >> EXACTLY. THAT'S TRUE. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> ANDY, WHAT IS YOUR FEE RECOMMENDATION? >> THE FINE? [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M SORRY, FINE RECOMMENDATION. >> I GUESS $50 A DAY. >> TO BEGIN APRIL 3RD? >> YES. >> FOURTH IS STILL A VOTE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> YES. THAT WAS A MOTION. >> I'LL SECOND. >> I HAVE RECOMMEND TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT WAS ALREADY DONE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT PART, ARE YOU JUST SAYING YOU'RE FINDING IT STILL IN VIOLATION, SO CONTINUING OR WHATEVER IS STILL IN VIOLATION. >> CONTINUING VIOLATION. >> ALLOWED FOR SIX MONTHS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE ON OR BEFORE APRIL 3RD, 2025. IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY APRIL 4TH, 2025, FINES OF $50 PER DAY WILL BEGIN. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHERE ARE WE AT AGAIN WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES? WE HAVE AGREED THAT THEY WILL PAY THESE AT WHAT TIME? >> USUALLY ONCE. >> NO. >> USUALLY BEFORE THE PROPERTIES LEANED WHEN THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE], AN OFFICIAL COMPLIANCE DAY. >> OKAY. >> AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENS, THEN WE WOULD SEND [INAUDIBLE]. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? >> MEMBER THOMPSON, SECOND IS YOU >> OKAY. >> MEMBER FOTIADES. >> YES. >> MEMBER THOMPSON? >> YES. >> CHAIR STINES. >> YES. >> MEMBER KRESSE. >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD LUCK WITH THE REST OF YOUR AFFAIRS. >> THANKS. [4.2 WILLIAM DUENAS, 1608 PENBROOK DR, CASE 2024-0042] >> NEXT ON THE DOCKET IS WILLIAM DUENAS, 1608 PEMBROKE DRIVE, CASE 20240042. >>. I'M SORRY [INAUDIBLE]. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO HAVE HER STEP TO THE PODIUM AND SHE CAN EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHERE SHE'S AT WITH HER PREDICAMENT. >> YES. BEAR WITH ME. MY NAME IS JILL JENKINS. I AM THE PARTNER OF MR. DUENAS, THE OWNER OF THE HOME. AT THE LAST MEETING, I GUESS THAT WAS BACK IN JUNE, WE WERE WAITING ON THE SURVEYOR TO RETURN TO DO A FOLLOW UP SURVEY SINCE THE FENCE HAD BEEN MOVED AT THAT POINT. IT TOOK SEVEN WEEKS FOR THEM TO RETURN. THAT SURVEY SHOWED THE FENCE TWO TENTHS OF AN INCH OUTSIDE THE LINE. THE FIRST ONE SAID ONE TENTH. SECOND ONE SAID TWO TENTHS AFTER I MOVED IT IN SIX INCHES. OF COURSE, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WAS POSSIBLE AND I'LL SPARE YOU THE CONVERSATION, NEEDLESS TO SAY, I PAID THE $950, AND I WENT TO THE CITY PLANNING OFFICE AND SHOWED THEM THE SURVEYS, AND THEY WERE AS CONFUSED AS I WAS, AND THEY SUGGESTED THAT I GO TO THE OWNER. AS I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, THE OWNER ON RECORD IS DECEASED. NOW, HER DAUGHTER LIVES ON THE PROPERTY, SO THEY SUGGESTED THAT I DRIVE TO THE HOUSE, WHICH I DID THROUGH ALL THE WARNING DO NOT TRESPASS SIGNS, AND I SPOKE TO HER IN PERSON. SHE WAS HESITANT AT FIRST, AND THEN SHE THOUGHT I WAS TRYING TO SUE HER, AND I SAID, NO, I JUST SIMPLY NEED YOU TO SIGN A STATEMENT SAYING THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE FENCE BEING TWO TENTHS OF AN INCH OVER THE LINE. SHE WAS LIKE, "WELL, I'M REALLY BUSY. IT'S MY KID'S BIRTHDAY, SO PUT IT IN MY MAILBOX, AND I'LL CALL YOU AND I SAID, I PUT IT IN HER MAILBOX. I TRIED TO COMMUNICATE WITH HER FOR A PERIOD OF THREE WEEKS. SHE WOULD RESPOND TO ME AFTER A COUPLE OF DAYS SAYING, I HAVE TO TALK TO MY BOYFRIEND OR OH, I HAVE I HAVE I'M OUT OF TOWN THIS WEEKEND. I OFFERED HER $100 FOR HER TROUBLE, AND SHE JUST STOPPED RESPONDING TO ME. I TALKED TO THE CITY, AND I'M BASICALLY BACK AT THE BEGINNING. [00:40:02] I HAD TO HIRE ANOTHER SURVEYOR. UNFORTUNATELY, LAST MONTH, OUR AIR CONDITIONER BROKE, SO WE HAD TO PAY, AND OF COURSE, WE'RE BOTH RETIRED AND DISABILITY. I JUST HIRED MANSI AND DRAKE YESTERDAY, AND THEY HAVE BEEN SO SWEET. THEY'RE COMING WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK AT 8:00 A.M. AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY WILL NOT LEAVE UNTIL THE PIECE OF PAPER IN MY HAND SHOWS THE FENCE IS ON THE LINE IF THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE FENCE THEMSELVES. THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT TO HELP ME JUST GET THAT. I TOLD THEM THE WHOLE STORY, AND THEY TOLD ME THEY WOULD HELP ME AND NOT CHARGE ME THE FULL $700 FOR ANOTHER SURVEY. I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT I GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, BUT I HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY TRYING TO GET THIS PASSED, AND THIS IS WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. HOPEFULLY NEXT WEDNESDAY, I'LL HAVE THE PIECE OF PAPER. I'LL TAKE IT TO THE CITY, AND THEY'LL CLEAR THE PERMIT. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. I'M OKAY WITH TWO MONTHS IN CASE IT SHOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED. IS YOUR SCHEDULE? [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> ANY OBJECTIONS? NO? [OVERLAPPING] >> I'LL MOVE IT. >> WE ARE JUST GIVING ADDITIONAL TIME TO COME INTO COMPLAINTS. >> WELL, I THINK THAT YOU WERE TO DETERMINE THE ASSESSMENT OF THE ADMIN FEES AND THE DAILY FINES AT THIS POINT ALSO. BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM MORE TIME. >> AS PART OF YOUR MOTION TO CONTINUE THE RECORD, SO TO SPEAK, FROM THE LAST MEETING IS JUST ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT THE VIOLATION HAS BEEN FOUND, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT FINES AND FEES TO GO WITH THIS PLUS THE 60-DAY EXTENSION ON THE COMPLIANCE DATE. >> WE HAVE YET TO RULE ON THE FEES TOO. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE FINE, RIGHT. >> FINES ARE SEPARATE, RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE]. >> FEES AND FINE SEPARATE, CORRECT. >> WHAT ARE THE FEES? >> THE ADMIN FEES ARE $306.06. >> WHICH IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY DON'T WAIVE. IF WE WERE TO GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL 60 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, AND THEN ONCE IT'S IN COMPLIANCE, TYPICALLY, THOSE FEES ARE DUE UPON COMPLIANCE. BUT I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, I WOULD SAY $25 A DAY, IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITHIN 60 DAYS, AND WE ASSESS THE ADMIN FEES, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD PRACTICE. DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OBJECTION? [OVERLAPPING] >> GO FOR IT. >> THAT IS MY MOTION. FINE IN VIOLATION. WE GIVE 60 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. [OVERLAPPING] IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE ON THE 61ST DAY, ADMINISTRATIVE FINES, TOO MANY F WORDS, FINES OF $25 A DAY AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE ASSESSED AS OUR STANDARD POLICY. >> THAT'S A MOTION. |>> GOOD LUCK. >> BEFORE WE'LL VOTE ON IT. >> THANK YOU, MS. JENKINS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING COMMUNICATIVE AND WORKING WITH THE CITY. IT'S VERY HELPFUL. >> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU. >> GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. >> THANKS FOR TAKING CARE OF YOUR HOME NEIGHBOR. I LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU TOO. >> THANK YOU. >> DID WE GET. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHO SECONDED IT? >> ANDY DID. >> I DID. >> CONTINUE TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF 5.01.10, FENCES AND WALLS, ASSESS ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, 60 DAYS TO REACH COMPLIANCE ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 2ND, 2024. IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT COMPLIANCE BY DECEMBER 3RD, 2024, FINES OF $25 PER DAY TO BEGIN. >> CORRECT. >> MEMBER KRESSE. >> YES. >> MEMBER FOTIADES. >>YES. >> MEMBER THOMPSON? >> YES. >> JOE SAMS? >> YES. >> MR. HALISON IS ON HEARS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR US. >> THIS IS CASE 2024-0014. [4.3 LINDA F. HOWISON, 213 N. 3RD ST., CASE 2024-0014] CAN WE GET A REVIEW? >> THE CASE IS IN COMPLIANCE. THERE ARE NO OUTSTANDING FINES. THE ONLY THING THAT IS LEFT IS THE ADMIN FEES. [00:45:03] >> HOW MUCH ARE THE ADMIN FEES? >> THE ADMIN FEES FOR THE HALISONS IS $263.82, I BELIEVE. >> WHAT ARE WE DETERMINING THEN? >> SIR? >> WHAT ARE WE DETERMINING HERE THEN? >> THERE IS NO FINE, SO REALLY IS NOTHING TO DETERMINE ACTUALLY. >> IS THERE? >> BECAUSE HE WAS IN COMPLIANCE BY WHAT YOU DICTATED FOR HIM TO BE IN BY THE DEADLINE, SO HE MADE IT. >> IT WAS IN THE ORDER FOR THEM TO FILE TO RETURNS LATER. >> THE ADMIN FEES WERE IN THE ORDER, AND THERE IS NO ACTION, JUST THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE TO TRY ANYTHING? >> YES. >> THAT'S STANDARD. >> I'M SORRY? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT WAS NICE TO MEET YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE] AS MUCH. >> MS. FORSTER, SHE CAN SPEAK TO YOU. >> WILL I [INAUDIBLE] >> YES, MA'AM. I WILL MAIL IT TO YOU. >> PERFECT. >> FOR THE NOTES THAT ARE [INAUDIBLE] >> ALL OF THAT WAS ALREADY ASSESSED, THIS IS AN UPDATE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE. >> THAT'S IT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. >> THANK YOU. >> SURE. >> GLAD YOU'RE FEELING BETTER? >> THANK YOU EVERYONE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> NEXT ON THE DOCKET, 4.6, THE BROWNS, IT LOOKS LIKE. CASE IS 2024-0038. [4.6 MARY E & ANJANETTE M BROWN, PARCEL 00-00-31-1800-0161-0290] >> THIS WAS ACTUALLY PUT ON HERE BECAUSE THEY WANTED A FINE REDUCTION, BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE. >> THERE'S SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE THAT'S UP THERE. >> I THINK THAT MIGHT BE THAT. >> IS THERE ANYBODY PRESENT? IT DOES NOT LOOK FOR THE RECORD THAT ANYBODY IS PRESENT PHYSICALLY IN THE CHAMBERS FOR CASE NUMBER 2024-0038. CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE ADDRESS INTO THE RECORD? >> YEAH. THE ADDRESS, LET'S SEE HERE. IT'S ACTUALLY A PARCEL NUMBER 00-00-31-1800-0161-0290. >> THE WAY THAT OUR CODE WORKS IS THAT A PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPEAL TO THIS PORT PRIOR TO ANY LIEN BEING FILED FOR A REDUCTION OF FINES. CAN YOU TELL US, OFFICER WELLS, WELL, IS THE PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE? >> THE PROPERTY IS IN COMPLIANCE. IT DID HAVE SOME DAYS THAT HAD ACCRUED BEFORE IT CAME INTO COMPLIANCE. >> THE FINES ARE AT THIS AMOUNT PER DAY AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL DUE? >> THE FINE AMOUNT IS $2,125. I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING HERE. THE ADMIN FEES OF 259.52 FOR A TOTAL OF 238,452. >> CAN YOU REMIND THE BOARD WHAT THE VIOLATIONS WAS? >> THE VIOLATION WAS THEY HAD A JUNK VEHICLE OR INOPERABLE VEHICLE ON A VACANT LOT THAT WAS NEXT TO HER PRIMARY RESIDENCE. >> YOU REMEMBER THE CASE? >> THEY MOVED THE INOPERABLE VEHICLE OFF OF THAT VACANT LOT. BUT IT WAS AFTER THE COMPLIANCE DATE. THEY HAD HOW MANY DAYS OF FINES? FORTY-SIX, 76, 85 DAYS AND 415, 279. 415.24, 279.24. >> IT WAS THE OWNER'S CAR OR SOMEONE ELSE? >> THIS IS THE VACANT LOT NEXT TO THE HOME. THIS IS A COUPLE, AND IT'S THE HUSBAND'S VEHICLE, YES. >> NO, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. >> WE DON'T KNOW. >> I'M THINKING OF ANOTHER CASE. >> MS. MARY BROWN. I'M NOT TOO SURE ABOUT HER SISTER. >> MICHEL, IS THIS THE ONE WHERE YOU DID SOME EXTRACURRICULAR WORK TO FIGURE OUT TECHNICALLY? >> YES. >> THEY CHANGED A TAG OR SOMETHING? >> WELL, NO, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE A TAG. >> NO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS REMOVED AT 4:04 ON THIS CASE. >> I ALWAYS [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] >> WE'RE LEFT WITH FINES THAT THEY'RE NOT RUNNING ANYMORE. THERE'S A SET AMOUNT. THE NEXT STEP WITHOUT THE PROPERTY OWNER BEING PRESENT AFTER THE REQUEST FOR [00:50:02] REDUCTION IS THE NEXT PART IS AT THE 45-DAY MARK WE NORMALLY FILE A LIEN. >> WE'RE JUST PAST THAT AND WE WERE HOLDING BECAUSE SHE IS GOING [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST TO WRAP YOUR MEMORY, THAT WAS [OVERLAPPING] >> TO DO THIS. >> THIS IS THE PICTURE. >> WE'RE CERTAIN NO ONE IS ONLINE FOR THIS CASE? >> NO. >> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL GIVE HER A CALL TOMORROW AND SEE WHAT HAPPEN. YOU NEVER KNOW. WE'LL REACH OUT AND SEE IF SHE WANTS TO TRY AND COME BACK. WE'LL HOLD OFF ON REPORTING AND SEE IF SHE WANTS TO TRY AND COME BACK ON NOVEMBER BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A HEARING IN NOVEMBER AND WE'LL GIVE HER ONE MORE SHOT. IF SHE DOESN'T SHOW UP, WE'LL GO AHEAD CONTINUE ON WITH OUR REGULAR PROCESS. >> NO ACTION IS NEEDED THEN? [OVERLAPPING] >> NO ACTION. THANK YOU. OR YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN. IT HAS A CASE, JUST GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE IT. IF YOU MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TO THE NOVEMBER 7 CITY CODE BOARD MEETING. >> WE'LL DO ALL CARVING AND TRYING. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT? LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S SOME MEDICAL REASON OR WHATEVER WHERE THEY CAN'T COME IN, ARE THEY ABLE TO SEND A LETTER TO THE CITY THAT CAN BE READ AS PART OF THE DETERMINATION THEN? OR CALL IN. >> SURE. >> IF THEY DON'T CALL IN, IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT COULD BE PRESENTED? >> YES. THEY CAN ARGUE IT'S NOT QUASI JUDICIAL FINE REDUCTION. IF IT WAS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, THE ANSWER IS NO. IT'S NOT, SO YES. IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER A LETTER REQUEST FOR REDUCTION AT THE NEXT MEETING, THEN SURE. >> IN CASE THAT SHOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU? >> [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER. >> JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, WHAT HAS BEEN THE PAST PRACTICE FOR HANDLING SITUATIONS LIKE THIS? SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, I DON'T REMEMBER. >> WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY BEFORE YOU IN THIS BOARD OR WE'RE GOING TO VARY. IT PROBABLY HAS GONE BEFORE THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN REPORTED. IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. IT IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU JUST LIKE IT IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE COMMISSION, IT DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. IT DEPENDS ON YOUR HEART STRICT, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT THAT PERSON IS TELLING YOU. SOMETIMES YOU WOULD REDUCE IT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. YOU MIGHT REDUCE IT JUST ALL THE WAY DOWN AND JUST HAVE TO PAY THE ADMIN FEES, YOU MAY DO IT HALF. ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE POWER. >> BUT USUALLY THEY EXPLAIN WHY THEY DIDN'T COME INTO CLIENTS. >> SURE. >> BECAUSE ALMOST ALWAYS THAT I CAN THINK OF, THIS BOARD, IF YOU FIND A VIOLATION, YOU GIVE THEM TIME WHEN KNOWING THAT OUR CODE OFFICERS HAVE ALREADY GIVEN THEM MONTHS WORTH OF TIME. IN MOST CASES. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. AS YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT. EVERY EITHER EXCUSE OR EXPLANATION, WHATEVER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, IS DIFFERENT. >> NO ACTION NEEDED BY US. THERE IS NO NEW BUSINESS. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE? >> YEAH. PLEASE CONTINUE IT TO THE NOVEMBER 7. I'M SORRY, I WAS [OVERLAPPING] >> A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> WELL, THAT WENT SMOOTH. >> LIKE BUTTER. >> I LIKE IT. >> I DIDN'T THINK YOU'D GET THAT SMOOTH. >> MEMBER PRESSIE? >> IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I GOT TO TAKE A VOTE, DON'T I? >> YES. >> MEMBER PRESSIE. >> YES. >> MEMBER THOMPSON? >> YES. >> MEMBER FELIX? >> YES. >> CHERRY SANS. >> YES. >> THAT'S IT. >> FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS, CORRECT? [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. [Additional Item] >> MY NAME IS CHIP ROSS, 210 NORTH THIRD STREET IN, AS I SUPPOSE YOU ALL KNOW. I'VE BEEN A CITY COMMISSIONER FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. I THINK I'VE COME TO EVERY ONE OF THESE BOARD MEETINGS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. [00:55:05] THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I WILL BE HERE. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND LEAVE YOU WITH ONE THOUGHT. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT END UP HERE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. THEY REALLY DON'T, OR THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE. NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT MOST OF THEM. I WOULD HOPE WHEN YOU PUT A $25 A DAY FEE, THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH. BUT WHEN SOMEBODY'S MAKING ON A FIXED INCOME LIKE MISS HOUSER BACK THERE, $209 FOR HER IS A LOT OF MONEY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE. >> CANNOT DO THAT. YOU CAN PAY HER FEE FOR HER. >> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO WAIVE HER FEE. WHAT I AM ASKING IS THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT MOST OF THESE PEOPLE, THEY WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THEY HAD MONEY, BECAUSE THEY'D TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM. JUST WHEN YOU ASSESS YOUR FINES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT HEARING IS NOVEMBER 7. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SECONDED. >> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.