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>> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 11TH, 2024.

THE TIME IS 5:00 P.M. WE'RE MEETING IN CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT 204 ASH STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.

MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> MEMBER [INAUDIBLE]

>> HERE.

>> MEMBER GINGER?

>> HERE. I'M SORRY [INAUDIBLE]

>> I SAID GINGER. MEMBER [INAUDIBLE]

>> HERE.

>> MEMBER BENNETT.

>> HERE.

>> CHAIR ROB?

>> HERE.

>> MEMBER FOREHAND AND VICE CHAIR STEVENSON ARE ABSENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOOD INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> AS ALREADY STATED, BOARD MEMBER STEVENSON SENDS HIS REGRETS FOR MISSING OUR MEETING TONIGHT, BUT HE HAS ALLOWED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT HIS WIFE, CAROL HAS HAD EMERGENCY SURGERY THIS WEEK AND IS SLOWLY RECOVERING.

I'M SURE THAT ALL OF US ON THE PAB ARE SENDING BOTH CAROL AND PETE OUR BEST WISHES AND A SPEEDY RECOVERY FOR CAROL.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING PETE BACK HERE IN OUR NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER.

APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES,

[3.1 Approval of Minutes for the Regular Meeting of August 14, 2024.]

ITEM 3.1 ON OUR AGENDAS.

ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS OF THE MINUTES? DO I HEAR ANY?

>> THERE WAS JUST ONE LITTLE TINY THING DIDN'T REALLY GOT IT.

ON PAGE 1, 2, 3, JOYCE [INAUDIBLE], THAT SENTENCE WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR TO ME, COMMENTED ON WORD SMITH AND THE FLEXIBILITY SEEMS TO ME LIKE SOMETHING ELSE.

THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU BUT ME?

>> NO, IT'S [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T THINK IT'S THE RIGHT TENSE.

COMMENTED ON WORD SMITH THING AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE AMENDED HUB STANDARD LANGUAGE.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> MAKE SENSE.

>> IS THAT WORD SMITH THING? A.

>> THAT'S THE WORD.

>> IS THIS THE WORD? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MADAM SECRETARY, CAN YOU WORK WITH THAT?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> ALL RIGHT. I MOVED TO APPROVE. CAN I HEAR A SECOND.

> SECOND.

>> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> OPPOSED LIKE SOME. THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 14, 2024 ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

NEXT ITEM.

[4.1 2024 Nassau County Transit Study Final Report Presentation By Alexander Traversa, Director, Planning and Sustainability, Jacksonville Transportation Authority (JTA)]

UNDER BOARD BUSINESS 4.1, 2024 NASSAU COUNTY TRANSIT STUDY, FINAL REPORT PRESENTATION.

KELLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR SPEAKER?

>> YES. THIS EVENING WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE WITH US, MR. ALEXANDER TRAVERSA WHO IS WITH THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.

HE IS THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING SUSTAINABILITY AND TONIGHT, HE IS PRESENTING TO YOU THE DRAFT FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT THAT WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR CONSIDERATION.

AT THAT POINT, IT WILL BECOME FINAL.

THIS IS ONLY DRAFT RIGHT NOW SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE AWARENESS OF THE OUTCOMES OF THAT STUDY AND SOME OF ITS FINDINGS.

I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU ATTENDED THE OUTREACH EFFORTS, AND I'M SO THANKFUL FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE AND PARTICIPATION IN ALL OF THOSE EFFORTS, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, WHO WERE VERY ENGAGED THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE THAT REALLY WELL REFLECTED IN THE OUTCOMES.

>> MR. TRAVERSA, IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US AGAIN YOUR NAME AND WHO YOU'RE WITH?

>> SURE THING.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALEXANDER TRAVERSA.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND SUSTAINABILITY AT THE JACKSONVILLE TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY.

IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, AND I APPRECIATE THE BOARD HAVING ME TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS FROM THE NASSAU COUNTY TRANSIT STUDY.

AS KELLY MENTIONED, MANY OF YOU PARTICIPATED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, EITHER ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE OR ATTENDING A PUBLIC MEETING,

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SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT IN HELPING BRIDGE THAT GAP TO THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDING THAT FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY REFLECT IN THE STUDY, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU TODAY.

KELLY MENTIONED IT, I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE BY SAYING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEY WILL GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHICH WILL THEN MAKE THAT UPON THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BEFORE WE JUMP INTO IT.

AT JTA, WE REALLY EMPHASIZE SAFETY IN OUR OPERATIONS, SO WE HAVE A MONTHLY SAFETY MESSAGE, SO I JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT.

THIS MONTH IN SEPTEMBER, IT'S DRIVE SAFETY INTO THE FUTURE.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE REMEMBER THAT SAFETY IS CRITICAL FOR OUR OWN OPERATIONS.

IT'S CRITICAL FOR THE WELL BEING OF OUR STAFF INTERNALLY AT JTA, BUT ALSO THE CUSTOMERS WE SERVE THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

JUST TO TOUCH ON THIS, I LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT PUBLIC TRANSIT IS OVERALL A SAFE AND SECURE TRAVEL MODE.

TRANSIT TRAVEL HAS ABOUT A TENTH OF THE CRASH RATES AS THOSE PERSONAL AUTOMOBILES AND THOSE LIVING IN TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS OR DEVELOPMENTS THAT SUPPORT USE OF TRANSIT AS WELL AS ACTIVE MODES LIKE WALKING AND BICYCLING AT A MUCH LOWER RISK OF TRAFFIC RELATED FATALITIES.

TODAY, I'LL COVER BRIEF BACKGROUND, A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROJECT UPDATE ON THE NASSAU COUNTY TRANSIT STUDY, INCLUDING SOME OF OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, THE RESULTS, AND REALLY WHAT WE IDENTIFIED AS SOME OF THE TRANSIT NEEDS AND GAPS.

THEN THE BULK OF WHAT I'LL BE PRESENTING IS REALLY THOSE SERVICE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOW WE APPROACH THAT THROUGH A PHASED SCENARIO OR PHASED IMPLEMENTATION APPROACH WITH A SHORT TERM, MEDIUM TERM, AND LONG TERM AND THEN JUST WRAPPING UP WITH THE OVERALL STUDY OUTCOMES AND WHAT OUR VISION IS FOR TRANSPORTATION IN THE COUNTY.

JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE STUDY, JUST TO REITERATE.

THE STUDY WAS REALLY CONDUCTED TO ASSESS TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS TO MEET THE EXISTING AND FUTURE MOBILITY NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS, EMPLOYERS, AND VISITORS IN NASSAU COUNTY.

THE STUDY IS AN UPDATE FROM A PREVIOUS STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 2015 WITH SUPPORT FROM THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO AND SO WE ARE JUST KIND OF EXPANDING ON THAT AND REALLY TAKING INTO CONTEXT THE CHANGES IN MOBILITY NEEDS OR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS FOR THE REGION.

SPECIFICALLY, AS WE EMERGED FROM THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC AND SOME OF THOSE CHANGES IN TRAVEL, AND SOME OF THE GROWTH PATTERNS THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.

JUST HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE STUDY OBJECTIVES.

SO REALLY WE SET OUT TO ANALYZE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE EXISTING TRANSIT SERVICES IN THE COUNTY.

WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME LASTING IMPACTS THAT AS WE EMERGED FROM THE PANDEMIC, THERE WERE CHANGES IN TRAVEL PATTERNS, YOUR TRADITIONAL PEAK.

RUSH HOURS MIGHT HAVE CHANGED, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE AND HOW TRAVEL HAS CHANGED, AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT DEMAND IS NOW.

YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CHART.

IT'S CUT OFF A LITTLE BIT THERE, BUT THAT IS JUST SHOWING RIDERSHIP ON THE EXISTING NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT SERVICE THAT EXISTS TODAY FROM PRE PANDEMIC TO POST PANDEMIC.

YOU CAN SEE IT DID TAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIP DURING THE PANDEMIC, TRANSIT RIDERSHIP ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SIGNIFICANTLY DECLINED DURING THAT TIME.

BUT IT IS REBOUNDING AND SO THERE IS STILL A NEED FOR THAT TRANSIT SERVICE.

THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT ARE RELYING ON THAT.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE REALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS THOSE CHANGING CONDITIONS AS MENTIONED, AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE UNMET TRANSIT NEEDS WERE FOR THE COUNTY.

IMPROVE REGIONAL CONNECTIONS, HELPING SUPPORT THE RAPID GROWTH WE'RE SEEING IN NASSAU COUNTY WITH A LOT OF THE EXPANSION OF SUBURBAN RESIDENCES.

HOW DO WE REALLY PROVIDE THAT REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY FOR YOUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE RESOURCES OUTSIDE AND WITHIN THE COUNTY AND MAKE SURE THAT SEAMLESS MOBILITY EXISTS.

THROUGH THAT POINT, IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL MOBILITY HUB LOCATIONS.

I'LL TOUCH ON MOBILITY HUBS IN OUR STRATEGIES.

BUT REALLY, THESE ARE THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMPONENT THAT CONNECTS THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND TO MAKE IT MORE OF A SEAMLESS TRIP, BEING ABLE TO TRANSITION FROM, SAY, WALKING OR BIKING OR A MICROTRANSIT SERVICE TO SOMETHING MORE ROBUST THAT CAN MOVE MORE PEOPLE AND REALLY BEING THAT LOCATION WHERE PEOPLE CAN FACILITATE THOSE SERVICES AND THAT REALLY LEADS INTO OUR VISION FOR SEAMLESS MOBILITY OPTIONS.

IT'S REALLY A CORE OF THE JTA IS PROVIDING SEAMLESS MOBILITY FOR THE REGION, AND REALLY ENABLES OUR CUSTOMERS TO MAKE COMPLETE TRIPS,

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BEING ABLE TO TAKE TRANSIT FROM THE MOMENT THEY LEAVE THEIR DOOR ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THEIR FINAL DESTINATION AND I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL AS WE APPROACHED THIS STUDY AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I WANTED TO JUST TOUCH BRIEFLY ON THE TIMELINE.

AS MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW.

WE STARTED BACK IN SUMMER OF 2023.

IT STARTED OFF WITH A ROBUST DATA COLLECTION EFFORT DOING EXISTING CONDITIONS AND MARKET ASSESSMENTS.

WE LOOKED AT FORECASTING AND PROJECTIONS OF POPULATION GROWTH AND BUSINESS GROWTH IN THE COUNTY AND FROM THERE, WE WERE ABLE TO REALLY LEVERAGE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS, AND THEN THIS IS WHERE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BEGAN AND STARTED COLLECTING SOME OF THE INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC.

ENGAGING STAKEHOLDERS IN STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS AND REALLY UTILIZING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TO THEN DEVELOP WHAT THE VALUES AND TRANSIT PRIORITIES WERE FOR THE COUNTY.

WITH THAT, WE TOOK THAT BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

SO AGAIN, A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT WENT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, AND THAT LED TO NETWORK DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION.

THESE WERE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT'S WHAT I'LL BE FOCUSING ON TODAY THAT I'LL BE SHARING.

JUST TOUCHING ON SOME OF THE KEY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.

AS MENTIONED, WE HAD A STEERING COMMITTEE THAT WAS REALLY HELPING GUIDE A LOT OF THE DECISION MAKING.

YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT HERE IS OF A TABLE AT ONE OF OUR STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

WE HAD BIG MAPS LAID OUT.

WE DID A PLANNING WHERE WE RECAPPED ON SOME OF THE TRANSIT NEEDS AND GAPS THAT WE IDENTIFIED AND HAD THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS ACTUALLY TAKE IT WAS, I THINK IT'S CALLED MONKEY STRING.

IT'S LIKE A WAXY STRING, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PLACE LINES ON A MAP AND DRAW POINTS ON WHERE THEY FELT THE TRANSIT NEEDS WERE AND HOW TO FILL THOSE GAPS SO REALLY ACTIVE PARTICIPATION FROM THE STEERING COMMITTEE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

WE ALSO DID SOME INTERVIEWS IN SMALL GROUP MEETINGS WITH HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, SOME OF THE SOCIAL SERVICES AS WELL AS ATTENDING SOME OF THOSE BIGGER COMMUNITY EVENTS.

THROUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT EXPERIENCE AND OUR ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, WE'VE STARTED TO REALIZE THAT THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A ONE WAY TO BEST ENGAGE A COMMUNITY.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE COMMUNITY YOU'RE GOING INTO SO LEVERAGING EXISTING EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY GOING HAS BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL.

A LOT OF THE TIMES ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE MAY BE A TRANSIT DEPENDENT POPULATION REQUIRING SOMEBODY TO COME BACK OUT OR TAKE A TRANSIT TRIP TO GET TO A PUBLIC MEETING CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT SO TRYING TO GO TO WHERE THEY ARE GO WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY GUILT, GO IN THOSE CORRIDORS HAS BEEN A KEY APPROACH TO OUR ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS, ESPECIALLY ON THIS PROJECT.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED THE ONLINE SURVEY THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED, AGAIN, AT ALL OF THESE EVENTS WHICH ALLOWED US TO CAPTURE SOME GOOD INFORMATION THAT WE'LL TOUCH ON BRIEFLY HERE.

THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THE KEY METRICS FROM THE SURVEY.

THE SURVEY WAS DEPLOYED IN THAT EARLY STAGE OF THE PROJECT AND WE COLLECTED ABOUT 402 SURVEY RESPONSES DURING THAT SURVEY PERIOD.

RESPONSES WERE WELL SPREAD ACROSS THE SERVICE AREA IN THE COUNTY AND IT EVEN INCLUDED SOME RESPONSES FROM JACKSONVILLE AND SOME EVEN INTO THE SOUTH GEORGIA AREA.

A LARGE PORTION OF THAT SURVEY RESPONSES WERE FROM FERNANDINA BEACH.

THERE WAS ABOUT 125 SURVEY RESPONSES FROM FERNANDINA BEACH OUT OF THE 402.

SO REALLY WELL PARTICIPATED HERE FROM FERNANDINA BEACH.

WHAT WE SEE HERE, AND BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THOSE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE'VE SEEN, SORRY, I LOST MY PLACE.

HERE WE SEE SOME OF THE PRIORITIZATIONS FROM THE SURVEY.

SO WE SEE TRANSIT NEEDS WHERE THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS PRIORITIZED TRANSIT NEEDS.

SO YOU SEE THINGS LIKE JOB ACCESS, MEDICAL SERVICES, AND THEN LOW INCOME OR HIGH NEED NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR MOBILITY FOR SENIORS WHICH IS ESPECIALLY CRITICAL IN THE COUNTY.

NASSAU COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS A HIGHER PROPORTION OF SENIORS OR PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION IN THAT SENIOR AGE GROUP 65 AND OLDER, HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.

NATIONAL AVERAGE IS AROUND 17%, NASSAU COUNTY SITS AT ROUGHLY 22%, AND THAT NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO GROW SO REALLY IMPORTANT THERE, AS WELL AS TRANSIT GAP.

THERE IS EXISTING SERVICE TODAY, TRANSIT SERVICE.

NINETY ONE PERCENT OF OUR SURVEY RESPONDENTS HAVE NEVER USED NASSAU TRANSIT.

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ON THE PLUS SIDE, 84% SAID THEY WERE WILLING TO TRY IT.

SO THAT'S USUALLY A GOOD METRIC REALLY JUST GOES TO SHOW WE NEED TO DO BETTER AT ADVERTISING OUR SERVICES AND GETTING THE SERVICES OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC.

THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE STAKEHOLDERS IDENTIFIED REALLY FOUR KEY THEMES FOR IMPROVING TRANSPORTATION IN NASSAU COUNTY.

IT STARTS WITH THAT FIRST PIECE, AS I JUST MENTIONED, BUILDING AWARENESS, BUILDING AWARENESS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, THAT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY HAVE FOR EXPANDING ON THAT AND IMPROVING OUR TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.

THERE WAS URGENT NEED TO ADDRESS WORKFORCE AND WORKFORCE TRANSPORTATION TO MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

WE KNOW TODAY, THAT IS FERNADINA BEACH, IT'S STARTING TO SPREAD IN THAT UL AREA, CALLAHAN AND HILLIARD.

THROUGH 2045, THAT'S ANTICIPATED TO EXPAND ALL ALONG THAT 200 QUARTER WHICH IS ALREADY A CONGESTED CORRIDOR, SO COULD EXACERBATE THAT A BIT.

SO REALLY UNDERSTANDING HOW WE CAN MOVE PEOPLE TO AND FROM THOSE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT IMPROVED CONNECTIONS TO THE BROADER JACKSONVILLE REGION.

CITY OF JACKSONVILLE WE HEARD THE AIRPORT A LOT FROM A TOURISM INDUSTRY AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE PEOPLE EFFECTIVELY TO AND FROM THE AIRPORT WAS SOMETHING WE HEARD FAIRLY OFTEN.

THEN REALLY JUST EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION FOR VISITORS ON THE ISLAND AND GETTING AROUND IN THAT SHORT TRIP LENGTH, LESS THAN A MILE OR A COUPLE MILES, MOVING EFFECTIVELY AND SAFELY THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND.

SO JUMPING INTO SOME OF THE SERVICE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS ON A TIMER, AND I'VE BEEN DOING PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE IT'S AUTOMATICALLY CHANGING SO IF IT GETS AHEAD, I'LL TRY TO PAUSE OR STEP IT BACK BECAUSE WE DID USE THIS FOR OUR VIRTUAL TOWN HALL MEETING, AND SO WE REPURPOSING THAT PRESENTATION.

EXISTING SERVICES TODAY.

THERE'S THE ISLAND HOPPER, WHICH IS DEMAND RESPONSE HERE ON AMELIA ISLAND.

PARATRANSIT, SO THIS IS TYPICALLY SERVICE FOR THOSE PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES OR SENIORS THAT OR REQUIRE THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARATRANSIT SERVICES.

THEN WE HAVE THE NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT.

THAT'S THE COMMUTER TYPE SERVICE THAT CONNECTS ULE TO DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE THAT'S SHOWN ON THE GREEN LINE ON THE MAP USING 200 AND THEN DOWN 95 FOR THAT TRUE COMMUTER TRIPS.

LIMITED TRIPS. IT'S ONLY A FEW TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND A FEW TRIPS IN THE EVENING, REALLY CATERING TOWARDS THAT WORK RELATED COMMUTER TRIP.

>> AS WE APPROACH THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR SERVICE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE TOOLBOX, I'LL CALL IT, FOR TRANSIT SERVICES.

WE HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TRANSIT OPTIONS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRIPS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT A 40 FOOT BUS, A BIG BUS IS NOT GOING TO SERVE EVERY PURPOSE AND EVERY TRIP NEED, AND SO BY LEVERAGING THESE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT BEST FIT THE NEED OR THE TYPE OF TRIP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.

WE DO HAVE THINGS LIKE LOCAL BUS.

THAT'S YOUR, LARGE SCALE BUS WITH A, SIGN POSTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TRANSIT STOPS.

THERE'S ITERATIONS OF THAT CALLED BUS RAPID TRANSIT.

THAT'S DEDICATED LANES FOR A BUS SERVICE THAT ALMOST MIMICS THAT OF A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY FOR LIKE A RAIL SYSTEM.

REALLY HIGH FREQUENCY CAN MOVE A LOT OF PEOPLE VERY QUICKLY.

REGIONAL EXPRESS BUS, THAT'S WHAT, CURRENTLY EXISTS TODAY.

THAT'S THE NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT.

IT'S A LIMITED STOP GENERALLY OPERATING IN THAT PEAK TIME FOR COMMUTER TRAVEL.

THOSE ARE OUR CORE FIXED MODE APPROACHES.

WE ALSO HAVE FLEXIBLE MODES, WHICH WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR.

THAT'S FLEX ROUTE, WHICH IS SORT OF A FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM.

IT DOES HAVE SOME STOPS ALONG THE WAY, AND IT HAS A ROUTE, BUT IT ALLOWS THE PASSENGERS TO DEVIATE FROM THAT WITHIN A THREE QUARTER OF A MILE DISTANCE, SO IF YOU LIVED WITHIN THAT AREA OR COULD EASILY WALK TO THAT THREE QUARTER OF A MILE GAP, YOU'D BE ABLE TO THEN CATCH THAT TRANSIT EITHER DIRECT TO YOUR DOOR OR AT A STOP WITHIN THAT SERVICE AREA.

THEN TAKING IT TO THE FULL FLEXIBLE SIDE, SO DEMAND RESPONSE OR MICRO-TRANSIT.

THESE ARE TYPICALLY SMALLER VEHICLES THAT ARE OPERATING IN A ZONE THAT'S BEEN PREDEFINED.

THAT ZONE IS GENERALLY PROGRAMMED INTO WHAT WE CALL A GEOFENCE.

IT'S A TECHNOLOGICALLY PLACE ZONE IN THAT VEHICLE CAN PICK UP AND DROP OFF ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT ZONE.

GENERALLY, WE USE, AT LEAST IN JACKSONVILLE,

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THE CURRENT SYSTEM WE'RE DOING, IT'S ABOUT A 10 SQUARE MILE ZONE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO EFFICIENTLY MOVE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT ZONE.

GENERALLY, A SHORTER TRIP LENGTH ON THAT ONE.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LONG HAUL TRIPS.

IT'S MORE SO MANY SHORT TRIPS.

THEN WE HAVE MORE OF OUR SPECIALIZED SERVICES, THINGS LIKE MICRO-MOBILITY SERVICES.

THAT'S THINGS LIKE BIKE SHARE, SCOOTER SHARE, E-BIKES, AND E-SCOOTERS.

YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE IN MORE POPULATED CITIES.

I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE.

A LOT OF CITIES HAD A LOT OF CHALLENGES WITH IT, AND SO THERE'S MORE INNOVATIVE WAYS TO APPROACH.

PUT IT OUT IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T BECOME A NUISANCE ON THE CITY, AS WELL AS AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES, WHICH WE'RE TESTING AND ABOUT TO DEPLOY NEXT YEAR IN JACKSONVILLE.

ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR LEVERAGING THOSE IN OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

THE VEHICLE ITSELF IS AUTOMATED, IT CAN FUNCTION IN A MICRO-TRANSIT OR A ZONE BASED SERVICE.

IT CAN ALSO WORK IN A FIXED ROUTE.

A DEDICATED TRANSIT SERVICE.

JUST LOOKING AT WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN INNOVATE, WE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE STUDY THAT, NASSAU COUNTY ISN'T BUILT FOR TRANSIT, AND IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL TRANSIT THAT NASSAU COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR.

WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT EACH OF THESE OPTIONS AND SEE HOW THEY BEST FIT WITHIN THE FABRIC OF THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS AND THE SERVICES THAT NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED.

AS MENTIONED, WE WORKED IN THREE PLANNING HORIZONS.

THIS IS REALLY TO EASE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AND ALSO BUILD UPON SOME OF THE PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU'LL SEE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE 1-2 YEAR TO THE 3-5, THE 3-5 WILL ACTUALLY INCLUDE IMPROVEMENTS BUILDING UPON THE 1-2 YEAR.

AS YOU MOVE ON TO THE FIVE YEAR, YOU'LL SEE THAT TREND CONTINUE.

REALLY JUST BUILDING ON THE SYSTEM AND MAKING IT MORE ROBUST AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF TIME.

GENERALLY, SO FOR THE SHORT TERM, I'M JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE KEY STRATEGIES HERE.

SHORT TERM WAS REALLY HIGH PRIORITY CHANGES OR THOSE THAT CAN BE MADE WITH EXISTING RESOURCES, CHANGES TO THE EXISTING SERVICES THAT ARE THERE TODAY AND REALLY MEETING CRITICAL NEEDS OF TODAY.

MEDIUM TERM, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.

WE CAN START BUILDING TOWARDS THE FUTURE, START IMPLEMENTING NEW SERVICES, BUT STILL REALLY FILLING THAT GAP OF SHORT TERM NEEDS AND BALANCING THAT WITH POTENTIAL LONG TERM CONSIDERATIONS.

THEN AS WE LOOK TO THE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS, IT'S REALLY, HOW DO WE PLAN FOR THE GROWTH THAT NASSAU COUNTY IS GOING TO SEE? AND HOW DO WE BETTER SUPPORT THAT THROUGH MORE ROBUST TRANSIT SERVICES? JUMPING INTO THE SHORT TERM SCENARIO.

WE START OFF WITH AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS REALLY FOCUSING ON EXISTING SERVICES TODAY AND HOW WE BETTER IMPROVE THOSE TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY.

ONE OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE IN THE SHORT TERM SCENARIO IS THE EXPANSION OF NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT.

WE HEARD A LARGE NEED FROM A LOT OF OUR STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC ON ACCESS TO A VA HOSPITAL THAT OPENED UP IN RIVER CITY IN NORTHERN JACKSONVILLE.

THE NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT SERVICE ACTUALLY PASSES RIGHT BY IT TODAY.

IT JUST DOESN'T PULL OFF FOR A STOP THERE, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS ADDING THAT AS A STOP WITHIN THIS SERVICE, CONNECTING THOSE CUSTOMERS TO THE VA HOSPITAL AND ALLOWING THAT CONNECTION.

THIS IS ALSO A GAP TO ANOTHER SOLUTION HERE IS THE JTA HAS ROUTE 1, THAT GOES TO RIVER CITY AND THEN GOES TO THE AIRPORT.

THROUGH A TRANSFER, YOU CAN NOW GET ONCE THIS WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED, YOU COULD GET FROM U TO THE AIRPORT ON TWO TRIP RIDE, AND SO REALLY A BENEFIT THERE, GOING TO THE VA CRITICAL NEED, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, STILL PROVIDING SOME OF THAT ACCESSIBILITY FOR TOURISM AND REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.

OUR SECOND RECOMMENDATION IN THE SHORT TERM SCENARIO IS REALLY MODERNIZING OUR DEMAND RESPONSE SERVICE.

THIS IS WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR PARATRANSIT SERVICE, AND SOME OF THE MICRO-TRANSIT RELATED ISLAND HOPPER.

WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE COUNTY AND THE WAY THE FEDERAL FUNDING AND STATE FUNDING WILL FLOW, THERE'LL BE SOME CHANGES TO HOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY LEVERAGE THOSE PARATRANSIT TRIPS WITHIN THE URBANIZED AREA AND WHAT FUNDING YOU CAN USE FOR THAT.

AS WE SEE THIS, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE A MORE EFFICIENT SERVICE.

PARATRANSIT IS TYPICALLY VERY EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE AND VERY EXPENSIVE TO PROVIDE THOSE TRIPS.

BUT THERE'S MORE EFFICIENT ZONE BASED MICRO-TRANSIT THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THAT CAN HELP REDUCE THAT COST, AND ALSO PROVIDE A MUCH LARGER AREA AND MORE DEDICATED TYPE SERVICE FOR THE ZONE DEFINED.

IN THIS CASE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TWO ZONES BECAUSE I MENTIONED THAT IT'S ABOUT 10 SQUARE MILES,

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CAPTURING A UI BASED ZONE AND CAPTURING A FERNANDINA BEACH, IN THE ISLAND ZONE, AND MAYBE HAVING AN AREA OF OVERLAP.

YOU COULD TRANSFER BETWEEN THE TWO.

AS THAT TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES AS THE CAPABILITIES FOR SCHEDULING AND PROVIDING VEHICLES FOR THAT SERVICE IMPROVES, THERE IS FUTURE SCENARIOS WHERE WE ENVISION MAYBE COMBINING THAT INTO ONE LARGE ZONE.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF SYSTEMS OR TRANSIT SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY THAT ACTUALLY USE A ZONE BASED SERVICE LIKE THIS, AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO BE RELATIVELY EFFICIENT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU TALK ABOUT AREAS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT, NOT NECESSARILY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT TO SUPPORT SOME OF YOUR FIXED TRANSIT MODES.

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY OPERATE TODAY FROM A MICRO-TRANSIT SERVICE.

THIS IS JTA READY RIDE.

USES A COMBINATION OF VANS, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER SMALLER MICRO-TRANSIT TYPE VEHICLES, SO THINGS LIKE GOLF CARTS, AND WE ALSO PARTNERSHIP WITH GO TUK'N AND BEACH BUGGIES, WHICH ARE THOSE SMALLER SCALE MICRO TRANSITS.

THIS ZONE IT OPERATES AS JACKSONVILLE BEACH, NEPTUNE BEACH, AND UP TO MAYPORT, AND REALLY, THIS IS, DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE WITHIN THAT ZONE.

CURRENTLY OPERATES AS A DIALER RIDE, SO YOU'D HAVE TO CALL IN ADVANCE 2 HOURS BEFORE YOU WANT YOUR TRIP.

THEY'LL GET YOU SCHEDULED, AND THEN IT GOES FROM THERE.

WE ENVISION THIS SHIFTING TO A BASE SERVICE, SIMILAR TO YOUR UBERS AND LIFTS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING THOSE FEATURES FOR OUR APPLICATION AND ANTICIPATE THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS THAT DEVELOPS, AND THAT'LL REALLY HELP MAKE IT TRULY ON DEMAND, WHERE I CAN CALL THAT RIDE NOW, SHOWS UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND TAKES ME TO THE NEXT LOCATION THAT I NEED TO GO.

WITH THIS, SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ALSO ENSURE THAT ALL OF THESE VEHICLES ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE, JUST A REQUIREMENT OF TRANSIT THROUGH THE FEDERAL FUNDING PROCESS, SO ALL OF THESE ZONE BASED MICRO TRANSITS DO HAVE ADA ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES.

THAT BEING SAID WITH SERVICES LIKE GO TUK'N AND BEACH BUGGIES THAT JT IS ACTUALLY SPONSORING.

OUR SPONSORSHIP WAS PURCHASING A VAN OR AN ADA ACCESSIBLE VAN TO BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR THAT SERVICE, ALLOWING THEM TO IMPLEMENT THAT AS WELL.

IT BRIDGED THAT GAP FOR SOME OF THE USERS FOR THOSE SERVICES.

RECOMMENDATION THREE IS REALLY FACILITATING FIRST AND LAST MILE.

THE DISTINCTION HERE AND WE SEPARATED IN THE STUDY, ZONE BASED MICRO TRANSIT CAN REALLY STAND ALONE AS A DOOR TO DOOR TYPE SERVICE IN THAT ZONE.

WHAT WE ENVISION FOR FIRST AND LAST MILE SERVICE IS REALLY CONNECTING PEOPLE FROM THEIR DOOR TO A MORE ROBUST TRANSIT SERVICE.

THINGS LIKE, IN THIS CASE, THAT'S BEACH BUGGIES AND GO TUK'N, CAN YOU LEVERAGE THOSE TO TAKE YOU FROM YOUR DOOR OR FROM A RESTAURANT TO A MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE BUS STOP A HUB AND THEN USE THAT TO CONNECT FURTHER INTO SOME OF YOUR FIXED ROUTE OR YOUR FLEX TYPE SERVICES.

IT REALLY CREATES THAT SEAMLESS TRIP.

IF I WANTED TO COME UP TO FERNANDINA BEACH, AND I'M COMING FROM JACKSONVILLE A, I COULD JUMP ON A BUS, GET UP INTO FERNANDINA BEACH, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHERE I NEED TO GO.

I WANT TO GO TO THIS RESTAURANT THAT'S A MILE AWAY FROM WHERE THAT BUS STOP IS.

I COULD USE THIS TO GET THAT LAST MILE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WALK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THESE ARE TYPICALLY SIMILAR TO WHAT I SAID, PARTNERSHIPS.

JTA IS PARTNERING WITH THESE SERVICES, AND WE REALLY ENVISION THIS AS IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR THAT TOURISM.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERING WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS.

I KNOW BEACH BUGGIES EXPANDED INTO SAN MARCO AND DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE, AND THEY ACTUALLY PARTNERED WITH A LOT OF THE RESTAURANTS THERE TO HAVE THEM AS KEY PICK UP AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS WITHIN THEIR APPLICATION WHEN YOU'RE SCHEDULING.

I MENTIONED MOBILITY HUBS AND REALLY, THIS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONNECTS ALL OF THESE VARIETIES OF MODES THAT I'VE SHARED SO FAR.

WE HEARD A LOT THROUGHOUT THE CONCERN WITH LOITERING AND THINGS AROUND THESE MOBILITY HUBS OR TRADITIONAL BUS STOPS.

GENERALLY, YOU CAN SEE IN MANY CITIES THAT BUS STOPS CAN ATTRACT VAGRANCY.

BUT REALLY, MOBILITY HUBS ARE OUR VISION FOR MOBILITY HUBS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

THESE BECOME PLACES WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY, PEOPLE CAN TRANSFER BETWEEN MODES.

THEY'RE GENERALLY WELL LIT, THERE'S PUBLIC ART.

YOU'RE INCORPORATING A LOT OF THOSE PLACE MAKING FEATURES THAT CAN MAKE IT A PLACE AND ACTIVATE IT TO HELP KIND OF DETER THAT.

TYPICALLY, IF IT'S A BUS STOP WHERE THERE'S VERY FEW RIDERS OR THERE'S, YOU KNOW,

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IN UNLIT PLACE, THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO SEE THAT CHALLENGES WITH VAGRANCY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE REALLY ENVISION THESE AS ACTIVATED PLACES THAT HELP FACILITATE THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT MODES.

IT ALSO HELPS IMPROVE THAT SEAMLESS TRIP.

I CAN USE THIS AS MY LOCATION TO THEN TRANSFER BETWEEN, SAY, A MICRO-TRANSIT AND A FIXED ROUTE BUS SERVICE.

IT CAN ALSO BE USED FOR PARKING RIDES, SO A LOT OF THESE WILL EITHER HAVE BIKE SHARE, SCOOTER SHARE, PARK AND RIDE LOCATION, SO YOU COULD DRIVE POSSIBLY TO THIS LOCATION AND THEN TRANSITION TO IT IN ANOTHER MODE, REALLY HELPING ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION THERE.

JUMPING INTO THE MEDIUM TERM.

AS MENTIONED, THIS WILL BUILD UPON SOME OF THE SHORT TERM RECOMMENDATIONS, SHORT TERM FOCUS MOSTLY ON THE EXISTING SERVICES AND HOW WE CAN MORE EFFICIENTLY OPERATE THOSE OR EXPAND THOSE TO SERVE NEW AREAS AND PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE GAPS WE FILLED.

THESE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT NEW OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS EXTENDING SOME OF THE EXISTING ONES.

YOU'LL SEE NOW OUR RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION FIVE IS NEW FLEX ROUTE SERVICE.

THIS IS THAT DEVIATED FIXED ROUTE SERVICE WHERE WITHIN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE, YOU COULD REQUEST THAT VEHICLE COME AND PICK YOU UP IN, SMALLER ZONE AROUND THE ROUTE AND THEN UTILIZE IT AS A FIXED ROUTE SERVICE.

WE REALLY SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND TRANSIT SERVICE DOWN 200 TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE COUNTY, CONNECTING HILLIARD, CALLAHAN, AND YULEE, AND THEN ACTUALLY CONNECTING IT TO NORTHERN JACKSONVILLE, PROVIDING REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY.

ARMSDALE, PARK&RIDE, SHON MARES ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT NETWORK IN JACKSONVILLE, SO IT REALLY WOULD PROVIDE REGIONAL CONNECTIVITY THERE.

RECOMMENDATION 6, IS REALLY FOCUSING ON THE EXPRESS SELECT AGAIN.

THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE EXPRESS SELECT, WHICH IN PREVIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS STOPS IN ACTUALLY STOPS IN YULEE TODAY.

THIS WOULD EXPAND THAT OR EXTEND THAT INTO FERNANDINA BEACH AMELIA ISLAND, CREATING THAT, ONE STOP OR, ONE TRIP RIDE FROM FERNANDINA BEACH INTO JACKSONVILLE OR ANY OF THOSE STOPS ALONG THE WAY, SO YULEE, THE VA HOSPITAL CONNECTIONS TO THE AIRPORT WILL BE A TWO TRIP RIDE IN THIS SCENARIO AND THEN CONNECTION TO DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.

THIS MAINTAINS THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE.

IT'S FIVE ROUND TRIPS A DAY.

WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND THAT FREQUENCY IN FUTURE SCENARIOS.

RECOMMENDATION 7, IS REALLY CONTINUING THE EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS AND MODERNIZATION OF DEMAND RESPONSE.

THIS IS STARTING TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN PARATRANSIT TRIPS AND TRIPS ON MICRO-TRANSIT, REALLY DELINEATING THAT, ALLOWING US TO SAVE COSTS WHERE POSSIBLE AND REALLY LEVERAGING GRANT FUNDS FOR THE RURAL BASED RURAL TRIPS THAT EITHER START AND END OR COMPLETELY WITHIN THE RURAL AREA, AND THEN ALLOWING MICRO-TRANSIT TO FILL THE OTHER NEEDS AT A MUCH LOWER COST THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL PARATRANSIT SERVICES.

WE CONTINUE BUILDING ON HUB INFRASTRUCTURE, WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES LIKE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH OR HILLIARD OR YULEE, TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS THAT BEST FIT WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY THAT COULD BE THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE PEOPLE COULD TRANSFER BETWEEN MODES.

REALLY LOOKING AT SETTING THOSE CORE NOTED FIRST.

AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A WIDESPREAD.

YOU GOT A BUS STOP EVERY QUARTER MILE TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ONE LOCATION WHERE THERE'S A KEY TRANSFER POINT BETWEEN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT MODES, SO IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD, IT'S MORE CENTRALIZED NODES WITHIN THE CORRIDORS THAT HAVE KEY JUNCTURE POINTS FOR MULTIPLE MODES.

THEN MOVING INTO LONG TERM SCENARIO.

THIS IS REALLY FOCUSED ON EFFICIENCY, INNOVATION, AND REALLY JUST EXPANDING TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE FUTURE NEEDS IN THE FIVE TO TEN YEAR TIMELINE.

REALLY FOCUSING ON CONTINUING, IMPROVING THE DEMAND RESPONSE SERVICE.

AS MENTIONED, CAN WE INTEGRATE THE APPLICATION TO MAKE IT TRULY AN APP BASED ON DEMAND SERVICE, LEVERAGING THAT COMBINATION OF MICRO-TRANSIT AND PARATRANSIT AND USING TRIP RESERVATIONS, LIVE VEHICLE TRACKING.

SOME OF THOSE FAIR PAYMENT OPTIONS THROUGH AN APPLICATION TO REALLY JUST STREAMLINE THE SERVICE.

RECOMMENDATION 10, IS REALLY IMPROVING THE FREQUENCY OF THE NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT.

AS MENTIONED, IT IS CURRENTLY, AND EVEN IN THE MEDIUM TERM WAS STILL DOING ABOUT FIVE TRIPS A DAY,

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FOCUSING ON THOSE COMMUTER TIMES DURING PEAK RUSH HOUR.

THIS WOULD EXPAND IT TO ABOUT EIGHT ROUND TRIPS PER DAY, CREATING MORE OF A SET SCHEDULE THAT COULD BE ACCESSED AT ALL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, AND FUTURE POSSIBILITIES FOR THIS SERVICE.

THIS IS, HISTORICALLY BEEN A COMMUTER BASED SERVICE.

THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONVERT IT TO MORE OF A FLEX ROUTE OR A MORE TRADITIONAL TYPE SERVICE IN THE FUTURE IF DEMAND WARRANTS.

>> THEN REALLY LOOKING AT FACILITATING PARTNERSHIPS, INTRODUCING SOME OF THOSE NEW MODES OF MICRO TRANSIT, MICRO MOBILITY, LOOKING AT OPTIONS.

TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY FOR LEVERAGING SHEARED RIDES OR EMPLOYER SHUTTLES, OR VANPOOLS, TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION FROM PEAK TRAVEL TO THESE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, LOOKING AT THE USE OF AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES TO HELP FACILITATE SOME OF THOSE ZONE BASED MICRO TRANSITS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

REALLY, THIS IS JUST LONG TERM SCENARIO, LOOKING OUT WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY CAN WE HELP INNOVATE THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WITH.

THEN AGAIN, WE JUST CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THESE HUBS AS THOSE CORE CONNECTION POINTS.

AGAIN, LIMITED LOCATIONS, REALLY THOSE CORES WITHIN THE NETWORK THAT HELP CONNECT THOSE VARIETY OF SERVICES.

AS FAR AS STUDY OUTCOMES, JUST WRAPPING UP, REALLY FOCUSING ON EXPANDING ACCESS TO KEY DESTINATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, FOCUSING ON EMPLOYMENT AND JOB CENTERS, MAKING SURE PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND FROM THEIR PLACES OF WORK.

TOURISM AND RECREATION WAS CRITICAL AND THEN ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE CORE AREAS FOR EXPANDING SERVICE.

IMPROVING REGIONAL CONNECTIONS WAS A COMMON THEME THAT WE HEARD THROUGHOUT BOTH WITHIN NASSAU COUNTY, CONNECTING THE EAST AND WEST SIDES OF THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS EXPANDING INTO SOME OTHER SERVICE AREAS.

INTO JACKSONVILLE, NORTH JACKSONVILLE, THE AIRPORT, AND OTHER AREAS.

THEN MARKETING AND AWARENESS.

REALLY PUSHING IT OUT THERE, AS WE TRANSITION TO THESE FUTURE OPERATIONS, HOW DO WE PROMOTE THE TRANSIT SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE? HOW DO WE GET IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE, ACCESSIBILITY AND CAN UTILIZE THOSE SERVICES IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY TODAY? THIS MAP JUST SHOWS THE VISION WITH ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE SHOWN.

YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN LINE SHOWING THE EXPRESS SELECT SERVICE FROM FERNANDINA BEACH THROUGH UF DOWN TO RIVER CITY MARKETPLACE, THE VA HOSPITAL, AND THEN DOWN INTO JACKSONVILLE.

THE BLUE LINE SHOWS THE FLEX ROUTE THAT WOULD CONNECT SIMILARLY FERNANDINA BEACH TO CALLAHAN UP TO HILLIARD, AND THEN DOWN INTO NORTHERN JACKSONVILLE AND TO ARMSDALE, PARK AND RIDE LOCATION CONNECTING TO THE BUS RAPID TRANSIT NETWORK.

THEN ACTUALLY, THERE WOULD BE ZONE BASED MICROTRANSIT ON THE FERNANDINA BEACH AMELIA ISLAND SIDE AS WELL.

YOU CAN SEE NATURALLY WHERE YOU MIGHT LOCATE SOME OF THESE HUBS FROM THAT STANDPOINT SOMEWHERE WHERE THE GREEN AND THE BLUE LINE START TO SEPARATE INTO THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY WOULD BE A NATURAL LOCATION.

WE HAVE A HUB AT ARMSDALE PARK AND RIDE ALREADY, SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE YOU COULD TRANSFER BETWEEN SERVICES, AND THEN JUST STRATEGIC NODES THROUGHOUT IF YOU HAVE A MICROTRANSIT AND A MORE TRADITIONAL TYPE TRANSIT SERVICE, THOSE ARE USUALLY GOOD LOCATIONS THAT COULD THEN LEVERAGE FOR THOSE HUBS.

JUMPING IN THE NEXT STEP. I'M SURE IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE, JTA IS ACTUALLY TAKING OVER THE PAIR TRANSIT RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE COUNTY STARTING ON OCTOBER 1ST.

THAT'S STRICTLY TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGE SERVICES.

WE WILL CONTINUE RUNNING THE NASSAU EXPRESS SELECT AS WELL, SO THAT'S THAT COMMUTER SERVICE.

AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL BE TAKING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE TARGETING MID OCTOBER RIGHT NOW TO PRESENT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN GET THEIR REVIEW AND HOPEFULLY APPROVAL, AND WE'LL COORDINATE CLOSELY WITH THE COUNTY ON HOW WE IMPLEMENT THEM.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

>> I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> ONE OF YOUR SLIDES BACK, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO DECREASE THE RURAL ROUTES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT?

>> IT'S FUNDING BASED.

THE GRANT FUNDING THAT'S USED FOR THOSE SERVICES, THEY HAVE TO BE UTILIZING THE RURAL AREAS.

IF A TRIP DOESN'T START OR END IN THE RURAL AREA, IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THAT GRANT FUNDING.

YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE REDUCING THE RURAL SERVICES,

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YOU WOULD JUST BE IN FILLING THE NON RURAL WITH YOUR MICROTRANSIT.

YOU WOULD STILL BE SERVING RURAL.

YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE RURAL TRIPS ARE GRANT-FUNDABLE BECAUSE THAT HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

>> I WAS IN THAT THE STUDY WHERE YOU ALL CAME TO THE PEC SCHOOL, AND WE STARTED FIRST HEARING ABOUT SOME OF THE IDEAS, AND IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THIS NOW STARTING TO MATURE AND START TO GET ROLLING.

I'VE ALWAYS BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF UTILIZING RAIL.

I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT DURING THESE PUBLIC SESSIONS.

IS IT 25 YEARS IN THE FUTURE? I UNDERSTAND IT WOULD BE A LONG WAY.

THIS IS THOSE FIRST STEPS THAT YOU HAVE TO START WITH.

BUT I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT RAIL HAS SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA, SOUTHEAST GEORGIA AREA AND SOME OF THE LINKAGES.

WE'VE GOT RAIL ALREADY.

I'VE SEEN THAT JUST WHERE I TAKE AMTRAK DOWN TO KISSIMMEE FOR MEETINGS.

IT'S SO CONVENIENT AND SO EASY TO JUST THEN GET AN UBER OR GO TO YOUR HOTEL, GO TO YOUR MEETING, GET THE UBER, COME BACK, GET ON THE TRAIN, AND IT'S A JOY.

>> IT'S SIMILAR VISION. IT'S SEAMLESS MOBILITY.

IT'S BEING ABLE TO LEVERAGE MULTIPLE MODES TO SERVE THAT.

CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEAD TIMELINE ON THAT.

WE'RE STILL HAVING THOSE SAME CONVERSATIONS IN JACKSONVILLE.

I WILL SAY FOR US, IT WAS WALK BEFORE YOU RUN, AND SO OUR BRT SERVICE WAS MEANT TO MIMIC THE CORRIDORS THAT WE ALSO WERE INTERESTED IN RAIL FOR AND START BUILDING THAT RIDERSHIP, BUILDING THAT COMFORT LEVEL OF UTILIZING TRANSIT WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR.

THAT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD THE CASE FOR FEDERAL GRANTS THAT HELP FUND THE RAIL PORTION OF IT.

INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW FOR RAIL.

WE'RE SEEING TREMENDOUS NUMBERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY ON EXTENSIONS, EXISTING RAIL SERVICE.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGION IS WAITING TO SEE WHAT BRIGHT LINE DOES AS WELL.

THAT'S ANOTHER MAJOR PLAYER IN THIS SPACE.

BUT I WOULD SAY STARTING WITH TRANSIT AND GETTING TRANSIT ON THE GROUND IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO START BUILDING TOWARDS THOSE LONG TERM GOALS FOR MORE ROBUST TRANSIT SERVICES LIKE RAIL.

I THINK IT HELPS BUILD THE CASE, ESPECIALLY ON THE FEDERAL FUNDS.

YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS A RIDERSHIP CAPABILITY WITHIN THE CORRIDORS, AND THE EXPRESS SELECT SERVICES, START THAT, AND THEN CAN YOU INCREASE THAT FREQUENCY, START BUILDING THAT RIDERSHIP, AND THEN MAKE THE CASE FOR MORE ROBUST TRANSIT SERVICE?

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. ANGELET.

>> PROBABLY A STUPID QUESTION, ALEXANDER.

BUT FIRST OFF, WHO FUNDS THE IMPROVEMENTS? IS IT JTA [OVERLAPPING] IMPROVEMENT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN THE FUTURE? IS IT LOCALLY FUNDED OR IS IT THROUGH JTA THE WHOLE PROGRAM?

>> IT IS GRANT FUNDED.

LIKE PARATRANSIT IS TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGE, OR STATE FUNDS THAT ARE GRANT FUNDED.

BUT THERE IS A LOCAL MATCH REQUIREMENT ON BASICALLY ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS. THE COUNTY CURRENTLY QUALIFIES FOR READY WAIVERS FROM THE STATE, WHICH MEANS SOME GRANT PROGRAMS, THEY DON'T PAY A MATCH AT ALL.

OUR EXPRESS SELECT SERVICE CURRENTLY RUNS GRANT FUNDED 100% COVERED.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE UNLESS THE STATE DECIDES OTHERWISE.

BUT YEAH, SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF GRANT FUNDING AND A LOCAL MATCH ON THAT.

FOR TD SERVICES, IT'S A 10% MATCH ON WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR YOUR PAIR TRANSIT.

WE'RE COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE SERVICES UPCOMING.

THAT'S WHY WHEN WE SAY, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE REALLY NEED BUY IN FROM THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ACTUALLY GO AND IMPLEMENT BECAUSE OF THAT.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH FUNDING IS, DUVAL DOLLARS CAN'T BE USED IN NASSAU COUNTY OR ANY OF THE OTHER COUNTIES WE SERVE.

IT'S REALLY IDENTIFYING A STRATEGY FOR FUNDING THESE SERVICES LOCALLY.

>> THE REASON I SAY THAT I'LL FOLLOW UP.

I WAS ON THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD FOR NINE YEARS AGO.

I THINK IT WAS THE TPO CAME IN AND GAVE A VERY SIMILAR PRESENTATION, WHICH I THINK THE COUNTY WOUND UP SPENDING $100,000 ON.

NINE YEARS AGO, WE WERE GOING TO GET A HALF A MILLION.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME THING WE HAD NINE YEARS AGO.

SO MY POINT BEING IS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD FUNNEL MONEY FOR US AT LEAST IN CERTAIN TARGET AREAS LIKE HERE THAT HAVE A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.

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MAYBE SOLVE ONE THING VERSUS TRY TO CONQUER EVERYTHING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE GRANTS CAN BE DIRECTED TO SPECIFIC AREAS VERSUS GLOBALLY BECAUSE WE'RE BIG COUNTY, AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO LUMP HILLIARD WITH FERNANDAN.

>> NO, ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THE PROGRAMS WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THOSE BROAD STROKE PAY FOR TRANSIT SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY.

EVERY COUNTY GETS ITS ALLOCATION.

THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE TYPICALLY LOOKING AT.

THERE'S ALSO A HUGE POT OF MONEY IN DISCRETIONARY GRANTS THAT WE CAN APPLY FOR FOR SPECIFIC NEEDS.

THINGS LIKE IF THEY'RE RECENTLY IN JACKSONVILLE, WE APPLY FOR EMERALD TRAIL.

IT'S A MULTI USE TRAIL NETWORK.

WE SAW THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT SOME OF OUR TRANSPORTATION SERVICES WITH ACTIVE MODES.

WE APPLY FOR THAT GRANT FUNDING, AND THEN THAT CAN ALSO BE PULLED INTO SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR AREAS.

>> I'LL FINALLY AND I'LL QUIT AFTER THIS.

BUT DO YOUR PHONES HAVE TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A BIG TRANSIT PROBLEM WITH WOOD COMING ONTO THE ISLAND.

IF SOMEHOW YOU COULD REMOVE THOSE TRUCK TRIPS VIA RAIL WITH THAT, YOU COULD OPEN UP A TON OF CAPACITY FOR THE RESIDENTS.

DO THEY EVER CONSIDER FUNDING NON PEOPLE TRANSPORTATION ITEMS?

>> USUALLY A SEPARATE CATEGORY.

THOSE FALL, STATE ALSO HAS TRUCKING RELATED FUNDS OR RAIL RELATED FUNDS FOR LOGISTICS AND CARGO.

I WILL SAY THERE'S SOME JOINT BENEFITS FROM EVEN IF YOU PERSONALLY MIGHT NOT USE A TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT IS HERE.

BUT ANYBODY THAT DOES ALSO HELPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT CONGESTION.

THERE'S SOME MUTUAL BENEFITS FOR ANY OF THE USERS THAT ARE LOVING THAT SPACE.

THERE ARE, LOGISTICS BASED GRANTS THAT TPO IS A GOOD RESOURCE FOR THAT.

BECAUSE THEY'RE THAT DIRECT CONNECTION TO THE STATE.

BUT NOW I NOTICE THAT EVERY TIME I'VE COME UP HERE, IT'S GETTING ON 200, THERE'S ALL THE LUMBER TRUCKS GOING TO THE PAPER MILL.

>> DOES THIS REPORT CONSIDER ANY OF THAT?

>> IT DOESN'T BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED MOSTLY ON TRANSIT ON THIS ONE.

>> HOW DO YOU CONSIDER THAT?

>> WHAT REPORT WOULD YOU COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT?

>> TO CONSIDER THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

ON OUR END, WE'RE MOSTLY THE TRANSIT SIDE.

WE DO SOME ROADWAY WORK ON COMPLETE STREETS, BIKE PATH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

LOGISTICS SIDE, IT'S MOSTLY THE TPO IS WHERE A LOT OF THAT REPORTING IS COMING FROM STUDIES OR THE DOT IS ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE 200 IS A STATE ROAD.

>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

SO YOU GAVE A COUNTY WIDE PRESENTATION AND IT IS EXCELLENT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR THINKING ABOUT THAT.

MOST OF US ARE INTERESTED IN A 13 BY FOUR MILE SECTION OF THE COUNTY.

WHAT INTRIGUED ME THE MOST ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WERE YOUR PARTNERSHIPS AND SOME OF THE THINGS WITH RESTAURANTS AND GETTING PEOPLE TO AND FROM.

I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE DEALING WITH YOUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND YOU WERE DEALING WITH SPRAWL EVERYWHERE.

THAT'S A HARD JOB TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS TO DO THAT IN THE SPRAWL.

WE'RE FOUR MILES WIDE.

THAT'S ALL WE CAN SPRAWL.

I'M INTRIGUED BY WE AREN'T GOING TO ADD MORE PARKING PLACES HERE.

I DON'T THINK, NOT VERY MANY, IF WE DO.

WE DON'T WANT TO WIDEN ANY ROADS.

WE DON'T WANT THEM TO WIDEN THE ROAD ACROSS FROM EAST ON EITHER.

WE WANT THOSE TO BE NARROW ROADS.

THE CITY HAS 12,000 13,000 PEOPLE, AND WE HAD 1.3 MILLION VISITORS LAST YEAR, AND THEY ALL CAME IN CARS.

I'M JUST INTRIGUED ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT CREATIVELY THINK ABOUT GETTING THOSE 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE TO NOT TAKE UP PARKING PLACES TO GET WHERE THEY WANT TO GO CONVENIENTLY AND MAYBE EVEN WANT TO DO IT.

EVERYBODY, IF YOU CAN DRIVE, YOU WILL DRIVE.

SOME OF THE I SAW SOME REALLY COOL LOOKING AUTOMATE SELF DRIVING BUSES THERE.

IF YOU COULD BUILD THE TRANSPORTATION INTO THE BRAND OF AN OLD TOWN HISTORIC CITY, IT MIGHT BE A COOL THING TO DO.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER TO GET PEOPLE ESPECIALLY TOURIST AND PEOPLE WHO COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

WE'RE THE ONE PLACE WHERE YOU COULD HELP MAKE US LESS CAR DEPENDENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SPRAWLING.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT POINT AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

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A LOT OF TIMES THOSE TOURISTS COMING IN ARE COMING FROM MAJOR CITIES WHERE THEY'RE USING TRANSPORTATION.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE WHERE THEY WOULD NATURALLY GRAVITATE TOWARDS THAT? I THINK FOR ME PERSONALLY, WHEN I TRAVEL, I TEND TO TRY TO USE THE TRANSIT SYSTEM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO RENT A CAR.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT SITUATION. I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> HE'S RIGHT. THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I ASKED WHEN I MOVED HERE FOR PHILADELPHIA.

WHY ARE ALL THE BUSES? THEY WERE LIKE WHAT? NO, YOU HAVE TO DRIVE A CAR.

I'M LIKE. WE CAN'T GET A BUS.

>> YOU CAN CAPITALIZE ON THAT.

IF YOU KNOW THAT, TYPE OF PERSON IS COMING HERE, SO HOW DO YOU CATER TO THAT NEED? I THINK WHAT YOU SAID THERE IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS HOW YOU BLEND NEW TECHNOLOGY WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PLACE, SO REALLY BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT HOW YOU APPROACH THAT? WHAT'S THE CONTEXT OF THE TRANSIT NEEDS HERE? WHAT YOU SAID, THE TOURISM MIGHT HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TRANSIT NEED THAN THE RESIDENTS HERE.

HOW DO YOU SERVE BOTH? WHAT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY? THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN WE DO THAT SPECIFIC TRANSIT TRAIN.

>> I'LL TELL YOU, CAN I KNOW.

>> WE NEED TOURISTS. MAYBE NOT 1.3.

I KEEP FILES ON THIS AND ON OVER TOURISM.

FOLKS WHO LIVE IN BARCELONA ARE NOW USING SQUIRT GUNS TO SHOOT THE TOURISTS BECAUSE THEY'RE SICK.

THEY'VE RUINED THEIR CITY. I DON'T BLAME THEM.

BUT WE NEED THE TOURIST, AND WE WANT TO BE HOSPITABLE.

WE NEED TO MANAGE THEM AND DO THAT INTELLIGENTLY.

>> I NOTICED ON YOUR INITIAL SLIDES THERE, YOU HAD UNDER COMMUNITY EVENTS.

I THINK IT JUST SAID OTHER TYPES OF EVENTS, BUT THE SHRIMP FEST, WHICH WE ALL KNOW, IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT HAPPENED ON NOT ONLY JUST ISLAND BUT NOW IT'S REALLY SPREAD THROUGHOUT.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE COME UP FROM JACKSONVILLE.

>> IT'S HUGE I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO SAY FROM EVENT.

YOU GUYS ARE RESPONDING TO THAT SURGE WITH BUSES AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER TRANSPORTATION IN JACKSONVILLE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE VERY SIMILAR TO ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

BEING ABLE TO GET INTO GRIDLOCK.

IT IS JUST THAT NIGHT WHEN WE HAVE FIREWORKS DOWN IN THE AREA, YOU CAN'T MOVE UNTIL AFTER THE FIREWORKS ARE OVER FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND EVERYBODY GETS OUT OF HERE.

THAT'S REALLY A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR COMING UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS TO THAT ISSUE.

THE OTHER THING THAT MR. GILLETT BROUGHT UP THAT I REALLY THINK HAS AN OPPORTUNITY IS TALKING ABOUT THE CARGO AND THE PRODUCTS, LIKE THE WOOD PULP INDUSTRY AND BEING ABLE TO PUT THAT IN UTILIZED RAIL.

I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL EFFORTS OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, DIFFERENT STUDIES OR DIFFERENT GROUPS HAVE LOOKED AT THAT.

BUT NOTHING IS REALLY MATURED.

BUT MAYBE NOW THE TIME IS STARTING TO COME RIGHT FOR THAT.

A LOT OF THAT CARGO IS NOT TIME DEPENDENT.

IT'S BULK CARGO.

AND SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GET TO A CERTAIN PLACE AT THAT MOMENT. SOME OF IT DOES.

THAT PARK YOU PUT ON A TRUCK AND BRING IT IN.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS I'LL SAY A LOW HANGING FRUIT, BUT CERTAINLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT.

YOU MIGHT DO THAT AGAIN.

YEAH, NO. AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE OUR SPECIALTY ISN'T IN LOGISTICS, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS TO THE DOT FOLKS THAT ARE AND HELP FACILITATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND I KNOW 200 COMES UP AND ON OUR END, WHEN WE'RE TALKING TRANSIT, IT'S COMMUTER SERVICES AND CONGESTION MITIGATION AND ALLEVIATION ON TRANSIT SIDE, BUT SAME CAN BE SET FOR THE LOGISTICS SIDE.

SO I'M HAPPY TO HELP MAKE THIS.

ONE OF THESE DAYS YOU NEED TO STAND IN THE MEDIAN, RIGHT THERE AS CARS COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE ON AMELIA ISLAND AND RIGHT THERE AT THE AMELIA ISLAND PARKWAY TO SEE ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES ACROSS THE BRIDGE, TO UNDERSTAND THAT CONGESTION THERE.

AND THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THANKFULLY, THEY'VE WIDENED 200 GOING OUT TO I 95.

AND I THINK PROBABLY MOST PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THAT NEW TURN THAT EVERYBODY MOVING THROUGH THERE.

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BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE THERE DURING RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC, ALL THREE OF THOSE WESTBOUND LANES AT 3:00, 4:00, 5:00, ARE BUMPER TO BUMPER.

AND SO THOSE THREE LANES ON EACH SIDE, THE SIX LANES HAVE NOT BEEN HERE THAT LONG.

AND WE WERE A A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY FOR PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE 50 YEARS, 25 YEARS.

I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS.

BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS JUST TWO LANES.

SO THE GROWTH IN THE CONGESTION IS JUST GROWING INCREMENTALLY THROUGH THAT WHOLE AREA THAT YOU'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK TO THAT POINT, YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF ROOM TO EXPAND YOUR LANES.

YOU'RE NOW HAVING DEVELOPMENT COME RIGHT UP TO THERE, YOU HAVE THE HOSPITAL, THE ER, [INAUDIBLE] IS NOW ALL DEVELOPED, AND A LOT OF THAT RETAIL IS THERE.

SO NOW IS THE TIME TO START LOOKING AT OTHER SOLUTIONS, WIDENING, LIKE YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG FOR WHEN YOU ADD A LANE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND USE THAT LANE.

GENERALLY, YOU CREATE A EFFICIENT WAY FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO THERE NATURALLY.

IT'S THE TERM THEY USE IT INDUCE DEMAND IN THE TRANSPORTATION SECTOR.

REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE TRANSIT SOLUTIONS NOW IS GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS IN THE FUTURE AND ALLEVIATING THAT CONGESTION BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE RUN OUT OF SPACE TO BUILD THOSE LANES.

[INAUDIBLE].

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, KELLY.

I HAVE ONE. AND I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE HIT ON THIS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE AN INTEREST IN.

UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE SUCH A LARGE AMOUNT OF TOURISM POPULATION, AND WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT IS IT'S NOT ONLY OUR EMPLOYMENT HUB FOR THE AREA.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HERE AND WORKING HERE.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT ARE HERE.

THE DEMAND FOR THAT FIRST AND LAST MILE TRIP IS TREMENDOUS.

I AGREE THAT IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US.

AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO PREPARE OURSELVES TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN GET THAT TYPE OF SERVICE GOING QUICKLY, TO SUPPORT OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, BUT ALSO TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO REALLY NEED IT MOST SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO RELY ON A PERSONAL VEHICLE.

ABSOLUTELY. I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF GRANT PROGRAMS. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE ACTUALLY NO MATCH THAT ARE GOOD FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO THERE'S THINGS FROM DOT LIKE SERVICE DEVELOPMENT GRANTS THAT ALLOW YOU TO OPERATE A SERVICE FOR THREE YEARS.

THAT CAN GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO START TESTING OUT THAT SERVICE, BUILD THAT CONSENSUS FOR IT, AND THEN THAT ALLOWS YOU TO THEN, MAKE THAT PITCH TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED AND WE SHOULD FUND IT IN THE LONG TERM.

AND I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF THE STRATEGY.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS AND FUNDS OUT THERE FOR THIS TYPE OF SERVICE.

I THINK ON THE MUNICIPALITY SIDE, IT'S JUST THAT LOCAL MATCH.

HOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE THE PIECE OF THESE GRANT FUNDS THAT WILL LONGEVITY, SUSTAIN THAT SERVICE.

TO THAT POINT, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTNERSHIPS TO HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP OR DO THAT NOW.

IT WOULD REALLY JUST DEPEND ON RELATIONSHIPS AND HOW MUCH VALUE THAT THE BUSINESSES SEE WITHIN THAT SERVICE AS WELL.

I THINK IT KIND OF TIES INTO HOW DO WE MARKET THIS? HOW DO WE ADVERTISE IT? AND HOW DO WE SHOW THAT THERE IS A BENEFIT AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS SERVICE TO GET TO THEIR BUSINESSES? IT'S DRAWING, BUSINESS FOR THEM, IT'S PROVIDING A SERVICE TO YOUR RESIDENTS, AND HOW DOES IT KIND OF CREATE THIS NATURAL ECOSYSTEM OR MOVING AROUND YOUR COMMUNITY? ALEXANDER TO KELLY'S QUESTION TOO, MY SENSE IN LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION IS THAT YOU COME INTO A PLACE AND YOU SEE WHAT'S THERE AND YOU SEE THAT IT'S GROWN, AND THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS? WHEREAS IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PART OF WHAT KELLY IS ASKING TOO, AND I DON'T SPEAK OF KELLY, IT'S OKAY, WE WANT TO DO SOME STUFF HERE.

WE WANT THIS CITY, AND HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.

CAN YOU COME AND SIT AT THE TABLE WITH US? ABSOLUTELY.

AND HELP US DO THAT.

DON'T COME IN AND THEN TRY TO MAKE THE MOST OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED, BUT HELP US NOT GET TO THAT POINT.

ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S A KEY POINT.

AS A TRANSPORTATION PLAN, TRANSIT PLANNER, WE'RE GENERALLY WORKING IN A PREDEFINED SPACE.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXISTS TODAY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USUALLY BASING OUR DECISIONS OFF OF.

BUT NO, I THINK THERE'S ABSOLUTELY AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A MORE HOLISTIC LOOK AT FERNANDINA BEACH AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE.

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AGAIN, THIS WAS THE COUNTY AND JTA PARTNER TO DO THIS COUNTY WIDE STUDY, BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC NEEDS, AND WE CAN HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IF YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE US AND HELP PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON THAT AND MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS FOR HOW WE BETTER SERVE THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY GENERAL IDEAS ON THE PRICING FOR THESE SERVICES? WE HAVE WHAT IT COSTS TO RUN THEM TODAY IN JACKSONVILLE, AND THOSE ARE BASED ON A LOT OF THE CONTRACTED SERVICES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RUNNING.

SO IT'S GENERALLY A COST PER TRIP.

SO THAT'S WHY THE ZONE BASED MICROTRANSIT ACTUALLY WORKS OUT WHERE TRADITIONAL TRANSIT BUSES, WERE PAYING OPERATING COSTS FOR THOSE BUSES THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE OPERATING.

FOR A DRIVER FUEL, IT'S MOVING UP AND DOWN, IT'S RUNNING A FIXED ROUTE.

MICRO TRANSIT THROUGH OUR CONTRACTS, WE'RE PAYING PER TRIP OR BY SERVICE HOURS.

SO WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THAT STANDPOINT ON HOW MUCH SERVICE WE CAN GET FOR A SET COST.

I WILL SAY SOME OF OUR EXPIRING CONTRACTS COMING UP.

SO SOME OF OUR EARLIER MODELS THROUGH [INAUDIBLE] I WANT TO SAY IT WAS AROUND $40 A TRIP IS WHAT IT'S COSTING US.

AGAIN, THAT'S OFFSET BY GRANT FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER THAN WHAT RUNNING A FIXED ROUTE TRANSIT SERVICE.

AND WHAT IS YOUR AVERAGE TRIP LENGTH ON THAT? I'D HAVE TO SEE BY ZONE, IT WOULD VARY.

DOWNTOWN OR? YEAH. WE HAVE 14 ZONES IN JACKSONVILLE.

[INAUDIBLE] $40 IS BLENDED? NO. SO IT'S TRIPS WITHIN THAT SPECIFIC ZONE.

SO THE ZONE IS ROUGHLY 10 SQUARE MILES, SO NOTHING MORE THAN 10 MILES, BUT I DON'T THINK.

TYPICALLY, IT'S A COUPLE MILES ON THAT TRIP LENGTH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

WELL, THIS HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I APPRECIATE IT.

ABSOLUTELY.

[BACKGROUND] ITEM 4.2,

[4.2 Continue Board Discussion to amend or Parking Standards and Parking Minimums with Staff Presentation of preliminary research outcomes and suggested areas for consideration of future code changes.]

CONTINUE OUR BOARD DISCUSSION REGARDING THE PARKING STANDARDS.

WE HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION OUR LAST MEETING.

KELLY AND HER STAFF HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT MODIFYING SOME OF THE TABLES, FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BASED ON OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS.

SO KELLY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE US THROUGH SOME OF THIS.

MARGARET IS GOING TO HELP GET YOU STARTED WITH THIS.

HI. I AM MARGARET PEARSON, WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

WE SWITCH. SWITCHING GEARS.

YOU ARE [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE SWITCHING GEARS FROM TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOT TO NEED TO PARK TO WHEN THEY DO NEED TO PARK, THAT WE PROVIDE THEM WITH ARE WE REQUIRING THE ADEQUATE PARKING AND THAT THE PARKING IS ALIGNED WITH THE BUSINESSES AND NOT HAVING MORE PARKING THAN WHAT WE NEED.

AS KELLY HAD MENTIONED AT YOUR LAST MEETING THAT OUR PLANNING INTERN, ALISIA HAMMER WAS WORKING ON RESEARCHING OTHER CITIES ORDINANCES TO SEE WHAT THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS WERE AND HOW THEY REGULATED THE PARKING.

AND SO BECAUSE PARKING CAN BE VERY COMPLICATED DEPENDING ON THE BUSINESS, AND THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF SCENARIOS, THE RESEARCH WAS LIMITED TO SOME USES IN BUSINESSES THAT WE KNEW WE WERE ALREADY SEEING A TREND OF NEEDING MORE PARKING, LESS PARKING.

AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR VARIANCES, OR EXCEPTIONS.

SO WE TRIED TO FOCUS IT ON THOSE USES TO START WITH, KNOWING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER USES IN THE FUTURE.

SO THOSE USES THE DIRECTION WAS TO LOOK AT SOME RESTAURANTS, MEDICAL FACILITIES, BEAUTY SALONS, BARBER SHOPS, THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS, AND MIXED USE PARKING.

SO THOSE WERE WHAT WE FOCUSED ON, AND THAT IS THE DATA THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED.

I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY CITY.

I'LL JUST MOVE TO THE SUMMARY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THE CITIES, THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY CERTAIN USES, BUT THEN SOME DID.

AND THEN THEY HAD A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

WE DID SEE A LOT OF MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITIES.

I'M GOING TO GO DOWN TO WHERE WE UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DATA.

I WAS GOING TO GO TO WHAT WE SEEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DATA.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT, AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE USES THAT WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT WAS THE BEAUTY SHOPS, BARBER SHOPS, NAIL SALONS.

WE DID SEE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES REGULATED THAT BY HAVING TWO SPACES PER WORK STATION.

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IN OUR ONUS RIGHT NOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SPECIFIC GROUP FOR THAT UNDER THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

MOST OF THE CITIES DID, EXCEPT FOR TALLAHASSEE, WHICH DID REQUIRE TWO SPACES, BUT THEY WENT ONE STEP FURTHER TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL SPACE PER SQUARE FOOTAGE, PERHAPS MAYBE FOR ANOTHER WORKER OR A HELPER OR SOMEONE ELSE HAPPENS TO GET THERE EARLIER THAN THE OTHER PERSON THAT GOT THERE.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE TRENDS THAT WE SAW.

WE ALSO NOTICED THE TREND IN THE MEDICAL OFFICES.

WE NOTICED THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES HAD A LOWER THRESHOLD THAN WE DID FOR THE PARKING.

THEY HAD ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD, EXCEPT FOR THE EXCEPTION OF SARASOTA, WHICH HAD THEY DID HAVE A SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET, BUT THEY ALSO STARTED LOOKING AT LARGER BUILDINGS, AND THEY FLEXED THAT REQUIREMENT ONCE YOU GOT TO A BIGGER SIZE.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE TRENDS WE SEE.

IS IT OKAY TO ASK QUESTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG? OR DO YOU WANT US TO WAIT TILL THE END.

SURE.

SO IN THAT CASE, SAY, FOR YOUR EXAMPLE OF SARASOTA, IF YOU HAVE A RULE THAT YOU TRY TO GO BY BASED ON SAY 200 SQUARE FEET OR 250 SQUARE FEET, WHATEVER THAT IS, BUT THEN YOU SAID, WELL, THEN THEY ADDED MAYBE AN EXTRA PARKING SPOT FOR FLEXING OF EMPLOYEES COMING AND GOING AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO WHEN YOU'RE A BUSINESS, AND YOU'RE GOING INTO A LEASED AREA, AND YOU SAID, WELL, WE A RESTAURANT, AND WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE SO MANY PARKING SPACES BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

WELL, HOW DO YOU AS A MUNICIPALITY, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT FLEXING PART OF IT? HOW DO YOU SAY, WELL, OUR RULE IS THIS, BUT WE ALSO DO FLEXING.

SO HOW DOES THAT KEEP FROM THEN LIKE GALLOPING ON AND ON AND INCREASING, WELL, WE NEED MORE SPACES FOR THIS.

AND WE'VE WE GOT SUPPLIERS THAT COME IN, WE NEED SOME PARKING FOR SUPPLIERS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE RULES OF THUMB, AND WE DO WANT FLEXIBILITY.

BUT THIS IS NOT AN EASY EQUATION TO COME UP WITH.

I ADMIRE THE STUDIES AND THE TIME THAT YOU ALL HAVE SPENT TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME RULES OF THUMB FOR THIS.

RIGHT. IT CAN BE VERY COMPLICATED.

I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE IN SARASOTA, IT'S UNDER THE MEDICAL OFFICE.

A MEDICAL OFFICE CAN BE SMALL, BUT YOU CAN ALSO HAVE IT COULD GO AS FAR AS A HOSPITAL.

AND SO I THINK THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ALLOW FOR YOU NOT TO HAVE EITHER MORE OR LESS THE BIGGER YOU GET.

BECAUSE SOMETIMES JUST BECAUSE A BUILDING IS BIGGER DOES NOT MEAN THEY NEED THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT THEY NEED FOR PART OF IT.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT TREND WHEN YOU LOOK AT AMAZON, ARE THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES.

YOU'LL SEE THAT A LOT OF CITIES DO HAVE A BASE.

BUT THEN ONCE THEY GET TO THAT NEXT LEVEL OF EITHER WAREHOUSE OR PEOPLE STAYING OVERNIGHT, THEN SOMETIMES THEY EITHER GO UP OR DOWN IN THE CALCULATIONS DEPENDING ON THE USE.

IT'S NOT ACROSS THE BOARD IN ALL USES.

IT'S JUST THE USES THAT THEY SEE THAT IF THEY APPLIED THE STANDARD ALL ACROSS, THEN THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO GET WAY TOO MUCH PARKING IN THE END OR THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH.

SO IT JUST DEPENDS.

OR LIKE HERE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS.

YOU COULD PARK TWO STREETS AWAY, IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S PARKING SPACE AND WALK TO THE RESTAURANT.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT.

AND THAT'S A TOTAL DIFFERENT DYNAMICS TOO, IN A CITY YES.

THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING WHERE [INAUDIBLE] IS.

OKAY, I'M GOING TO ADMIT THIS.

I GO TO THE DENTIST ACROSS THE STREET AND I PARK IN THEIR PARKING LOT.

BUT I MEAN, YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT BECAUSE, THE OTHER GUY HAS, IT'S A WEIRD SITUATION, BUT.

AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO HONE IN TO A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE AND THEN WORK TOWARDS IT.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING ARE A STARTING POINT FOR YOU IS BABY STEPS FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS.

AND SO TO CONTINUE ON, ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, WE'VE HAD SOME INQUIRIES ON THESE SPECIFIC USES.

AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT'S A RECENT ONE.

AND THE [INAUDIBLE] MEDICAL OFFICE CAME IN.

THAT'S ONE RECENTLY.

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AND IF WE WERE TO APPLY OUR STANDARD, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED 42 SPACES.

AND WITH THE 10% RULE WE HAVE, WHICH IS OUR FLEXIBILITY HERE ACROSS THE BOARD, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM 47 SPACES.

BUT IF WE APPLIED WHAT SEEMS TO BE THE NORM FOR THE CITIES, THE 200, THEN THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED THE 52 SPACES, AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A 10% RULE, WHICH IS 57, WHICH IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY SUBMITTED WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR PLAN BEFORE WE'VE EVEN TALKED ABOUT OUR RESEARCH.

SO IT DOES AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE SAYING AT OUR TRC MEETING THAT THEY HAVE STUDIES, AND THEY'VE DONE RESEARCH ON MEDICAL OFFICES TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW PEOPLE FUNCTION, HOW THEY COME, HOW THEY WAIT, AND THAT THEY NEEDED 57 SPACES.

SO WE DID SEEM TO THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME LOGIC TO THE 200 SPACES VERSUS THE 250 THAT WE HAVE.

SO THAT'S JUST ONE RECENT EXAMPLE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE MEDICAL AREA.

NOW TO KIND OF JUST TAKE THAT DOWN TO THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE IS THAT WE HAVE, SO I THINK THIS IS [INAUDIBLE].

WE HAVE THOSE EXAMPLES.

>> SHE'S PUTTING STUFF UP THERE THAT WASN'T IN THE PACKET.

>> THEY WERE ALL PROVIDED FOR.

HER PRESENTATION CAN BE EMAILED TO YOU, THE SUMMARY COMPONENTS OF IT.

>> IF YOU WOULD.

>> YEAH. YOU HAVE THE DATA, BUT THE SUMMARY SHEET WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON UP TO THE DATA.

BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE DATA.

>> THE SUMMARY SHEET IS NICE TO SEE BECAUSE WHAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE PRESENTATION.

BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 200 SQUARE FEET AND WE'RE AT 250 SQUARE FEET, BUT I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT IS ALL PUT IN CONTEXT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

>> HOPEFULLY, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

ON OUR REQUIREMENTS.

LET'S BACK UP AND TALK ABOUT THE BARBER SHOP.

WE DID NOT HAVE A CATEGORY FOR THAT.

BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIES THAT WERE RESEARCHED HAVE A SPECIFIC CATEGORY AND THAT EXPLAINS MAYBE WHY IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN THAT ISSUE WITH THE PARKING, NOT BEING A PARKING AND KELLY, SHE'S MORE FAMILIAR WITH PAST THINGS THAN I WOULD BE.

ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE'RE MAKING IS ADD THAT TO THE LIST, BECAUSE THAT DOES SEEM TO BE ONE THAT SEEMS TO BE A NORMAL THING IN OTHER ORDINANCES AND THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT YOU DO THE TWO SPACES PER CUSTOMER STATION PLUS ONE SPACE TO ALLOW FOR SOME EXTRA SPACE AND I BELIEVE THAT WE INTENDED THIS TO BE 300 TO ALIGN WHERE WE ORIGINALLY WERE CALCULATING IT, WHICH IS THE CATEGORY RIGHT BELOW THAT.

THE BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, INCLUDING RETAIL SALES, BUSINESS ACTIVITY, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE LIKE IF SOMEONE CAME IN WITH THAT BUSINESS, THAT'S HOW WE WERE CALCULATING THEIR PARKING.

TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY, WE WOULD ALLOW THEM THE TWO SPACES PER THE STATION, BUT THEN ALLOW THEM TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FOR 300 SQUARE FOOT ADDITIONAL SPACE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE INTENDED, KELLY, WAS THAT TO BE 300 WHERE THERE WOULD BE THAT CONSISTENCY.

>> AS OPPOSED TO 350?

>> YES.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY SHOP.

HAVE A FORMULA TO CALCULATE THE PARKING FOR THOSE SPECIFIC BUSINESSES, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE AT THIS TIME.

THE OTHER WAS THE MEDICAL OFFICES AND CLINIC.

RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID IN THE EXAMPLE, IS THAT WE HAVE ONE SPACE PER 250, WHICH SEEMED TO BE MORE THE NORM IS ONE SPACE PER 200.

THAT'S ONE OF THE SUGGESTION AS A STARTING POINT, THERE'S LOTS HERE THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT, BUT THAT'S THE SUGGESTION WE WOULD MAKE IS TO LOWER THAT TO THE 200 TO ALLOW FOR MORE PARKING FOR MEDICAL AND OFFICE CLINICS.

>> DID THAT FIT WITH THE EXAMPLE YOU JUST GAVE US OF THE BAPTIST, WAS THE 200 SQUARE FEET?

>> RIGHT. IT WOULD MEET WHAT THEY INITIALLY PROPOSED.

BUT OF COURSE, WHEN THEY CAME IN, WE SAID, YOU HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING.

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A VARIANCE FOR THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE OVER THE PARKING AND OVER THE 10% AND THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY EXPLAINED TO US AS WELL, IN OUR MEETING IS THAT, WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR THEM BECAUSE THE MODELS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS SAYS THAT THEY REALLY NEED A SPACE PER 200 FEET.

THEY JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE AND I THINK THAT KELLY HAS EXPERIENCED THAT IN THE PAST WITH OTHER MEDICAL BUSINESSES, AS WELL, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE CITY ON TWO OCCASIONS HAS RECEIVED VARIANCES FOR MEDICAL OFFICES TO EXCEED THE PARKING MAXIMUM TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR BUSINESS MODELS AND SO WE KNEW THAT THIS WAS A TREND THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS, THAT SPECIFIC CALCULATION FOR MEDICAL OFFICES.

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>> SO THE 200 SQUARE FEET SEEMS TO FIT.

>> BETTER ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING COME IN.

YES. IT ALIGNS WITH A LOT OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE RESEARCHED TOO.

>> HOW DO YOU RELATE THAT TO PEAK HOUR? I WENT TO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE THIS MORNING 8 O'CLOCK, THEY PROBABLY HAD 15 PEOPLE IN THERE OF PATIENTS AND THEN YOU HAD AT LEAST ANOTHER 10 OR 12 PEOPLE THAT WERE DOCTORS, ASSISTANTS AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF I JUST COUNT THOSE NUMBERS UP, I MIGHT NEED, I DON'T KNOW, 35, 40 SPACES.

HOW DO YOU RELATE THAT TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING? ESPECIALLY HERE IN THIS TOWN, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE.

A LOT OF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BARBERSHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY'RE MOSTLY IN EXISTING STRIP CENTERS OR WHATEVER.

SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW YOU CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES BECAUSE IF I RENT SPACE IN AN EXISTING STRIP CENTER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ADD ANY MORE SPACE FOR ME OR YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME YOU CAN'T HAVE THE BUSINESS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW YOU DO THAT.

I KNOW THAT AT ONE TIME WE HAD NUMBERS OF SEATS AND RESTAURANTS, AND THE WHOLE TOWN FLIPPED OUT.

RUNNING AROUND, SCREAMING AND YELLING ABOUT THAT CAN'T DO BUSINESS.

SO WHEN I SEE REDUCING SPACE, WHEN I SEE JUST GOING ANY PLACE IN THIS TOWN, IT'S A HASSLE TO PARK.

THEY SAY, "WELL, THERE'S A PARKING I GUESS IF YOU DRIVE AROUND ENOUGH."

>> THE PROPOSAL IS REDUCING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO ALLOW FOR MORE PARKING TO OCCUR FOR THAT SPECIFIC TYPE OF USE.

>> SO YOU'D BE ADDING PARKING SPACES?

>> YES. TO ALLOW FOR A GREATER NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES TO BE ACHIEVED ON THAT SITE.

>> IS THAT GOING TO FIT WITH OUR EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT CAN EXPAND? BECAUSE WE PRETTY MUCH ARE SET IN OUR BUILDINGS AROUND HERE.

>> WHAT WE'RE TYPICALLY SEEING WHERE THIS IS BECOMING A CHALLENGE IS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THAT'S WHERE IT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC.

WHERE IN THE EXAMPLE OF MILLENNIUM, THEY WERE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT NEW USE BASED ON THE EXISTING PARKING THAT THEY ALREADY HAD BECAUSE THEY HAD OVER IMPROVED THE PARKING IN THAT ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH ALLOWED FOR THEM TO ACCOUNT FOR THE NECESSARY PARKING FOR THAT TYPE OF USE AT A HIGHER RATIO.

BUT IF THEY WERE IN A SCENARIO WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING IT TODAY, THEY COULDN'T MEET THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THE MODELS THAT THEY'RE RUNNING AREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM.

SO THE MODELS THAT THEY'RE RUNNING ARE SAYING THEY ACTUALLY ARE GENERATING A HIGHER AMOUNT OF PARKING THAN WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO ALLOW.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> IT WAS THE GROCERY STORE, THEY'D HAVE UTILIZED ALL THE SPACE.

UNTIL PEOPLE WENT AWAY OR OTHER THINGS HAPPEN.

MILLENNIAL DID A NICE JOB AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY FILL IT UP.

SO A LOT OF THESE USES WHEN THEY CHANGE THE USE, AND PROBABLY NICK KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BECAUSE YOU'RE DESIGNING IT.

>> WELL, I'LL SEGUE INTO THAT IF I COULD.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU IDENTIFIED TWO USES THAT ARE WOEFULLY UNDERPARKED TRADITIONALLY.

SO WHY NOT JUST NOT HAVE A MAXIMUM FOR THOSE TWO USES? LET THEM DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILDING IT.

THEY'RE THE ONES PETITIONING YOU TO GET A VARIANCE.

SO UPFRONT, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED.

>> THE BEAUTY SALONS, TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING QUALIFIED AT ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, THAT SPECIFIC USE ISN'T ACCOUNTED FOR WITHIN OUR TABLE, AND WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AT ACCOUNTING FOR IT.

WHAT WE FOUND THERE IS THAT WHEN THEY GO INTO A NEW SHOPPING CENTER THAT PERHAPS DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE BUSINESS DEMAND FOR A BEAUTY SALON.

NOW THAT ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.

SO IF THEY KNEW THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A TYPE OF TENANT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO ATTRACT, THEY COULD HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR IT, OR IT MIGHT PREVENT THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS FROM LOCATING IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE MR. BENNETT'S POINT, WHEN A NEW USE COMES IN, WE GO THROUGH A PRACTICE OF EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT THAT USE CAN EXIST WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT, BUT ALSO DOES THE SITE THAT IT'S LOCATING WITHIN, DOES IT HAVE EVERYTHING IT NEEDS TO SUPPORT THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS, INCLUDING PARKING?

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>> SO IF A BARBERSHOP GOES INTO A PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER, YOU EVALUATE ALL THE PARKING THAT'S IN THE SHOPPING CENTER?

>> TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SUFFICIENT PARKING SPACES TO ADDRESS THAT USE.

>> SO THAT COUNTERS THE WHOLE SHARED PARKING ARGUMENT THAT YOU CAN DO TWO TRIPS AT ONE TIME AND SHOP AND GET YOUR HAIR CUT.

>> IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO OUR CODE FOR SHARED PARKING AND SHARED USES, AND THAT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOU MIGHT NOW SAY, "IT LOOKS LIKE JUST BY THE STANDARD CALCULATION, I'M NOT GOING TO MEET THE PARKING BECAUSE ALL OF THESE OTHER USES ARE TAKING UP THAT PARKING." BUT WAIT A MINUTE, WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO OUR CODE TO ALLOW FOR THAT TRIP TO SERVE TWO PURPOSES.

>> SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IN THE CASE OF PUBLIX, WHERE THEY HAVE A STANDING BUSINESS THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR SO LONG.

NOW THEY'VE SAID, WE WANT TO EXPAND.

SO OBVIOUSLY, THEN THEY HAD TO GET PERMITS.

PART OF THAT IS THE DISCUSSION OF PARKING.

SO IF THE PARKING HAS ALREADY BEEN MAXED OUT IN THE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND SIZES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, THEN THE CITY WOULD SAY, SO SORRY, SO SAD YOU CAN'T EXPAND?

>> IT IS POSSIBLE. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT EXPANSION COULD EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THEY COULD PROVIDE ON THEIR CURRENT SITE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THAT EXPANSION.

>> BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST IS WHEN YOU DO HAVE THAT SCENARIO, THOSE CONVERSATIONS OCCUR WITH THE TENANT, THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE SHOPPING CENTER NORMALLY.

THERE'S PLANS, WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND INTO THIS SPACE.

SO WHEN THAT LEASE GOES OUT ON THAT SPACE, THEN THEY MOVE INTO THAT SPACE, OPENING UP PARKING SPACES.

BUT SOME OF THE OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS, AND KELLY CAN CORRECT ME, SHE THINKS I'M MISSPOKEN, BUT MOST OF THE OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING.

THEY HAVE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT THEY NEED.

SO USUALLY ON THE NEW ONES, WHAT IT DOES IS IT CAUSES THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE MORE MINDFUL OF THE USES THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THERE AND THINK ABOUT THAT AND THINK ABOUT THEIR TENANTS AND ASK THE QUESTION.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS HAVE TOO MUCH SPACE? ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT THEY ARE 100% BUILT OUT? BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE CENTERS CONTINUE TO EXPAND, ADD SPACE.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

>> ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT INFILL PARCELS THAT THEY END UP TAKING UP SOME OF THAT PARKING SPACE AND NOT MAKING IT?

>> THEY ADD A NEW TENANT IN THERE.

LOOK WHAT THEY'VE DONE AROUND TOWN HERE.

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY PUT A COFFEE THING OVER THERE IN THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT ANY CASE, THEY'RE ADDING THESE IN HERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE A GROWING TOWN, WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO ADD TENANTS AND ADD SPACE, THEY'RE GOING TO ABSORB THAT EXISTING SPACE.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE TOO MUCH SPACE.

WE'VE HAD TOO MUCH SPACE AT PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER 10 YEARS AGO, BUT GO THERE NOW ON A SUNDAY MORNING.

>> WELL, I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE PARKING CALCULATION AT THE TIME THAT SOME OF THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS WERE BUILT ALLOWED FOR A LOT MORE SPACES.

AS TIME HAS GONE ON, YOU SEE THAT THE SHOPPING CENTERS, PEOPLE BUY SO MUCH MORE ONLINE.

THEY JUST COME AND PICK THEIR GROCERIES UP AND THEY LEAVE, THAT THE NUMBER OF SPACES NEEDED TODAY WOULDN'T BE AS MANY.

SO I THINK THAT, PROBABLY SOME OF THE OUT PARCELS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED ARE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD THE EXTRA SPACES.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE OUT PARCELS BECAUSE OF THAT REASON THEY'RE OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS, THE PARKING WAS CALCULATED AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL AND NOT BEING UTILIZED, SO THEY'RE WILLING TO SELL THE SPACE TO CREATE AN OUT PARCEL WITHOUT THE OTHER TENANTS GETTING UPSET.

>> MR [INAUDIBLE].

>> YES. IT DID.

THANK YOU. OVER HERE.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO ENCOURAGE EVERY SHOP.

I TAKE THESE TO BE FIRST OFF.

ALL THESE USES ARE FREE STANDING STAND ALONE FOR THE MOST PART.

SHOPPING CENTER ALMOST SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT'S SHARED PARKING, IT'S SHARED TRIPS, WHATEVER.

BUT THE LAST THING WE WANT IS AN EMPTY SHOPPING CENTER.

SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME INTO A SHOPPING CENTER, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME.

FORGET ABOUT IF THEY RUN OUT OF PARKING,

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THAT MEANS THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

IF NO ONE CAN GO THERE, THEN THEY WON'T GO THERE.

THEY'LL GO TO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPOT.

SO I THINK WE'RE JUST OVERCOMPLICATING THE LIFE OUT OF THIS.

I THINK IF WE GOT RID OF MAXIMUMS AND I GOT THE POINT ON THE BARBERSHOPS, THAT MADE SENSE BECAUSE WE HAD A DIFFERENT CODE.

BUT MAYBE WE STRIKE THE MAXIMUM FOR MEDICAL OFFICE AND LET EVERYBODY ELSE DO WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO DO.

>> ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE PAID.

>> EXACTLY. YEAH.

>> THE TENANTS ALSO NEED TO DECIDE BECAUSE IF THEY OPEN UP A BUSINESS, NOBODY CAN PARK THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

>> YEAH.

>> I WILL SAY I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN MOST ORDINANCES, YOU WON'T SEE THAT THEY HAVE NOT A CAP ON THE MAXIMUM.

INEVITABLY THEY WILL HAVE THAT BUSINESS THAT WILL PUSH THAT ENVELOPE.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE MAXIMUMS, EXCEPT FOR MEDICAL OFFICE.

I THINK ALL THE OTHERS, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM.

IF THEY WANT TO BUILD THREE PARKING SPOTS FOR PUBLIX, LET THEM BECAUSE THEY'LL FAIL IT TOMORROW. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED.

THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT IT IS, AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 10% MORE THAN WHAT WE CALCULATE YOU SHOULD HAVE, UNLESS YOU'RE A MEDICAL OFFICE.

>> RIGHT. THE TREND I SEE WITH THAT, THOUGH, WHEN YOU DO SINGLE OUT ONE BUSINESS TO ALLOW THEM TO NOT HAVE A MAXIMUM, THEN YOU DO GET PUSHBACK FROM OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WANT THE SAME FLEXIBILITY, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW YOUR MAXIMUM IS 10% OVER.

SO JUST TO SINGLE OUT ONE, YOU WOULD HAVE SOME PUSHBACK.

>> I'M LISTENING TO NICK, AND I'M TRYING TO BRING OUR CONVERSATION ABOLISHING MINIMUMS. IT'S PARTLY A FUNCTION OF COST.

WE HAVE THESE MINIMUMS, AND THERE MAY BE SOME EXCEPTIONS.

BUT YOU GO TO WHERE WALMART AND WIN DIXIE IS, THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY PARKING PLACES THERE.

SO IF WE WANT TO ABOLISH MINIMUMS AND LAW FOR THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THEM AND THEY COST A LOT AND THEY'RE UGLY, BUT THE COST OF BUILDING THOSE PARKING SPACES IS PROHIBITIVE.

IF WE GOT RID OF MAXIMUMS IN SOME CASE, THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE I ACTUALLY TRUST PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY COST A LOT.

I WOULDN'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO OVERBUILD BECAUSE IT COST A LOT.

>> SOME BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO NEED MORE SPACE THAN OTHERS.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO DECIDE THAT ISSUE?

>> IF WE HAVE TO DO THEM, WE'RE GOING TO DO MAXIMUMS THIS WAY.

I'M GOING TO DO WHAT SHE TELLS ME BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA IF THESE NUMBERS, BUT SHE AND SHE HAVE DONE THE WORK.

>> ALSO, THE INDUSTRY HAS DONE THE WORK.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE JUST HEARING WAS THE MEDICAL FIELD.

>> THESE GUYS COME IN AND THEY'VE DONE ALL THE STUDIES.

THEY KNOW WHETHER ITS HERE IN CALIFORNIA OR BOSTON THERE'S SOME SIMILARITIES WITH BAPTISTS.

>> BAPTIST IS, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THEY'RE ISOLATED.

PEOPLE THAT COME TO BAPTISTS, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, I WORKED THERE, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING PLACES.

THE EMPLOYEES WILL TELL YOU UP, BUT THEY WANT TO PARK RIGHT NEXT TO THE DOOR, THEY DON'T WANT TO PARK.

THAT'S THE OTHER THING WITH PARKING LOTS, LIKE PUBLICS, LIKE BELLS.

IF I'M GOING TO GO TO BELLS AND I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLICS, I'LL KEEP MY CAR WHERE IT IS AND WALK.

YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T THINK I THINK WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF TOO MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

>> AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT MAXIMUMS AND NOT HAVING MAXIMUM BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE IN HERE ABOUT SHARED PARKING.

>> YEAH.

>> AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SHARED PARKING AND ALLOW IT, THEN WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE POSSIBILITIES OF SHARING PARKING? BY HAVING MINIMUMS.

>> PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ANYWAY.

WELL, I KEEP THINKING IN ANOTHER TEN YEARS, WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST 20 YEARS? SO US NOT I DON'T KNOW, CUTTING OUT.

>> MICROMANAGING? IT'S LIKE MICROMANAGING.

>> MICROMANAGING AND THE MARKET REALLY REACTS IN AN EFFICIENT WAY.

NOT ALWAYS, BUT MOST OF THE TIME ON PARKING, AND THINGS PEOPLE WON'T GO IF THEY CAN'T PARK.

BUSINESS WILL FAIL AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO IF SOMEONE ELSE WILL BUILD SOMETHING WITH MORE PARKING.

BUT WHY WOULD WE SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE PARKING THAN WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED?

[01:30:04]

AGAIN, IF THEY WANT TO BUILD IT, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

WE JUST HAD A WHOLE DISCUSSION HERE.

MAYBE THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL PLACE TO PUT ONE OF OUR MAJOR STOPS TO GET ON THE BUS AND START. SO.

>> AND I THINK THAT IS AND IT DOES GO HAND AND.

>> I'M NOT ON MAXIMUM.

I WON'T EVEN TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME.

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK IT'S THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.

>> SO, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE FIVE OF YOU, THAT THERE IS GENERAL CONSENSUS TO ELIMINATE A PARKING MINIMUM AND ESTABLISH A PARKING MAXIMUM.

>> OTHER THAN MARK.

>> OTHER THAN MARK.

>> I WOULD SAY YES.

>> AND TO ANSWER TO WHAT MR. BENNETT WAS SAYING, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT YOU INTEND FOR IT TO COME ACROSS THIS WAY.

THE REASON YOU WOULD WANT TO ESTABLISH A PARKING MAXIMUM IS YOU DO NOT WANT SOMEBODY TO OVER IMPROVE A SITE THAT WOULD HARM THE AREA OR TAKE UP PROPERTY THAT YOU MIGHT SET ASIDE FOR SPACE, PROPERTY THAT YOU MIGHT DO YOU KNOW OVER.[OVERLAP]

>> I'LL ADD TO THIS BECAUSE TEN YEARS AGO IS DIFFERENT THAN TODAY.

BUT TEN YEARS AGO, WE USED TO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO OVER PARK.

AND THE REASON THEY WANTED TO DO IT IS THEY WANTED TO GET THE IMPERVIOUS AREA UP AS HIGH AS THEY COULD SO THAT EVERYBODY KEEPS DECREASING THEIR ALLOWABLE IMPERVIOUS AREA.

WE WENT 90 TO 80 TO 70 NOW WE KEEP DROPPING, NOW IT'S EVEN NOT MANAGEABLE AS LOW AS WE ARE.

THEY WANT TO IMPROVE ALL THAT SO THAT THEY HAVE THAT VESTED SO THEY CAN COME BACK LATER AND PUT A BUILDING OVER THAT.

AND THEY HAVE THE IMPERVIOUS AREA INVESTED FOR THAT.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT PERSONALLY FROM CLIENTS THAT HAVE COME IN.

THEY'LL PAVE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN BECAUSE ASPHALT IS FAIRLY CHEAP.

IT LOOKS TERRIBLE, BUT THEY COME BACK LATER AND THEY BUILD STARBUCKS OUTPARCEL.

THEY BUILD SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SELLABLE LATER ON.

>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER BECAUSE I THINK THE GROWTH THAT.

MORE GROWTH, MORE DEVELOPMENT. SO.

>> I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS.

I THINK OUR IMPERVIOUS AREA IS TOO LOW RIGHT NOW FOR COMMERCIAL. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

>> I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS FROM DOING THAT NOW.

THAT'S [OVERLAP] A LOT OF PEOPLE OVER IMPROVE LOOKING TO BUILDING IN THE FUTURE FOR ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE.

>> BUT DO WE HAVE THAT MANY PARCELS WHERE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY ANYMORE DANA? YOU'D BE SURPRISED.[OVERLAP]

>> ARE GOING TO BE BE OUT THAT WAY.

>> AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PLACES, YOU CAN'T LOOK AT THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.

YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT CAN CHANGE VERY QUICKLY.

AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.

CONFIRMING SALES, CONFIRMING TENANT IN A SHOPPING CENTER.

CALL UP SOMEBODY. I NOTICED YOU HAVE A VACANT SHOPPING CENTER.

I'M NOT VACANT. WELL, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THERE.

I'VE GOT ONE TERM LEASES IN THERE.

THEY JUST HAVEN'T MOVED IN AND WON'T FOR TEN YEARS.

OKAY. SO WHEN YOU SEE A VACANT CENTER NOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO CARS THERE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE ACTIVE TENANCY IN PLACE.

AND THEY MAY BE DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

THESE ARE FUTURE PLANS DOWN THE ROAD, FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS.

THEY SEE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

SO BARE PLACE [OVERLAP].

BANK IT UP OR DO WHATEVER.

>> SO WE'RE STILL NO MINIMUMS BUT MAXIMUM.

>> OKAY.

>> IS THAT IT?

>> EVEN FOR SHARED PARKINGS?

>> YOU WANT TO DECREASE THE MINIMUM FOR MEDICAL, DO YOU THINK THAT SOLVES IT?

>> I THINK IT SERVES TO CREATE THAT AND THEN YOU WOULD STILL ESTABLISH, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, YOU ELIMINATE THAT 10% OVERAGE.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH. GREAT.

>> I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

>> I HAVE AN EXAMPLE.

I DID AN ALTERNATE PREVIOUSLY.

WE JUST DECIDED INSTEAD OF PRESENTING THAT MORE AGGRESSIVE APPROACH TO TAKE AN INCREMENTAL APPROACH WITH IT.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT TO GET YOUR REACTION.

OKAY. I WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN ONE MORE TIME, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PREPARE THAT MORE AGGRESSIVE APPROACH AT CHANGING HOW WE LOOK AT PARKING OVERALL.

>> MORE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO SHRINK. I HAVE NOTHING NEW THAT.

>> SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> MORE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO SHRINK BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THE MAJORITY OF THE MAJOR SERVICES OUT TO WILEY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A BIG HOSPITAL OUT THERE.

[01:35:03]

SO THIS WILL BE JUST GO BACK TO BEING A REALLY SMALL HOSPITAL AGAIN.

>> WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGE.

>> WELL, THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BALANCE OUT.

WE'RE GOING TO GROW IN CERTAIN AREAS AND SHRINK IN CERTAIN AREAS.

>> IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE ALL THE OFFICE SPACE BACK INTO BAPTIST DOWN HERE, THEN THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THE PARKING AGAIN.

WHICH THEY COULD DO. SO.

THEY COULD DO THAT.

>> WELL, YOU SAY THAT, BUT.

>> I GUESS FROM NOW.

>> WHO'S ON THE BOARD OR IN CHARGE OF THAT.

>> MAYBE WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO IS DO SOME RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES MAY BE OUT THERE THAT DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM?

>> YEAH.

>> JUST TO SEE BECAUSE THE ONES WE DID SURVEY HAD A MINIMUM.

WE DIDN'T SEE A TREND NOT TO HAVE A MINIMUM.

BUT WE CAN ACTUALLY FOCUS ON THOSE AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOME EXAMPLES AND HOW THEY ACHIEVE THAT. FOR THAT.

>> WHEN YOU DO THAT IS YOUR ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'VE DONE IT CORRECTLY? WE SAY THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS, THEY'VE DONE THIS.

DOES IT WORK FOR THEM? DID THEY DO IT RIGHT?

>> AND I CAN ANSWER THAT.

I KNOW THAT ALYSSA DID A LOT OF THIS RESEARCH.

AND SHE ALSO LOOKED AT THAT VERY QUESTION OF ESTABLISHING PARKING MAXIMUMS. AND I DID ASK HER TO STAY LOOKING ONLY AT FLORIDA.

AND WE LOOKED AT COMPARABLE AREAS TO THE CITY FOR EXAMPLES.

OFTEN BECAUSE WHAT WE'LL FIND IS IF WE LOOK IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND LIKE AN APPLES TO APPLES APPROACH, BUT CONTEXT IS VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY HERE.

SO I DID FOCUS NARROWLY ON FLORIDA BASED EXAMPLES.

THE AREA THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS DONE PARKING MAXIMUMS IS GAINESVILLE.

WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THEM TO FIND OUT FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE WHAT THEY'RE WITNESSING AND THE EFFECT OF IT?

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. REGARDING MAXIMUM.

SO IF I HAVE A LARGE SITE, HAVE PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO BUILD PROBABLY MORE SPACE.

SO I OVER IMPROVED MY PARKING.

NOW, DO YOU LOOK ASK THEM, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THE SITE AND WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE I CAN PUT ON THAT SITE.

AND THAT EQUALS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACE?

>> TODAY, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE IN PLACE A CAP.

YOU HAVE A MINIMUM PARKING STANDARD ESTABLISHED WITH A CAP OF NO GREATER THAN 10%.

SO EFFECTIVELY, YOU DO HAVE A PARKING MAXIMUM IN PLACE.

IT'S JUST THAT AND SO IT AVOIDS THAT SITUATION.

YOU CAN'T COME INTO THE CITY TODAY TO DEVELOP AND SAY, I'M GOING TO OVER IMPROVE MY PARKING.

OUR CODES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE WOULD NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT WITHOUT A VARIANCE.[OVERLAP]

>> AND THATS BY A SITE.

AND THEN START TO BUILD AND IF IT'S 100,000 SQUARE FOOT, I GO 50,000 NOW.

I DON'T WANT TO PUT IN PARKING FOR THE ENTIRE 100,000.

YOU SAID I CAN'T DO THAT?

>> NO. YOU CAN DO A PHASE DEVELOPMENT APPROACH.

>> I CAN ONLY PUT IN PARKING AS I CONTINUE TO FILL UP.

>> CORRECT.

>> THE AVAILABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE?

>> YES.

>> INTERESTING.

>> BUT YOU CAN HAVE A MASTER PLAN.[OVERLAP].

>> AND I COULD HAVE PARKING [OVERLAP].

>> INCREMENTALLY DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIE ONLY DOING WRONG WITH THAT.[OVERLAP]

>> I'M SURPRISED THAT THAT'S CONSIDERED.

SO NICK, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU DON'T NEED A MAXIMUM OR YOU DO NEED A MAXIMUM.

>> I THINK YOU DO?

>> YOU DO NEED A MAXIMUM. OKAY.

>> AND THE CONCEPT THAT SHE JUST MENTIONED ABOUT EACH INDIVIDUAL INDUSTRY GROUP VERSUS EACH ONE OF THOSE WILL STILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OR EXCEPT FOR MEDICAL FACILITIES.

AND YOUR POINT ABOUT HOW OTHER INDUSTRIES WOULD COME IN, THE BARBERSHOP, THE RESTAURANT, WHATEVER, AND SAY, I WANT THAT DEAL TOO.

IS A CONCERN.

>> THAT IS. IF THEY LOWERED TO 200 SQUARE FEET THEN THAT SOLVES.

>> AND YOU COULD SAY YOU COULD STILL ALLOW FOR AND ACROSS THE BOARD EXEMPTION OR WAIVER OF AN ADDITIONAL 10%.

YEAH. TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE SCENARIOS WHERE MAYBE THIS MAXIMUM STANDARD MAYBE NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE A UNIQUE SITUATION, AND THAT THEY NEEDED THOSE ONE OR TWO EXTRA SPACES TO SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.

>> AND I HAVE SEEN THAT IN OTHER ORDINANCES WHERE THEY HAVE A 10% MAXIMUM, BUT IF YOU GOT A EXTRAORDINARY HARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT FIVE MAYBE ANOTHER 5% OR 10% LIKE KELLY'S.

>> I FORGOT. HOW DO WE DEFINE UNDEFINED USES?

[01:40:01]

BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS WAY BACK WHEN, IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE FUTURE USES THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN AWARE OF. BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

>> SO THEY'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN GROUPS.

WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING CALCULATIONS AND STANDARDS FOR PARKING CALCULATIONS, THEY ARE IN THESE VERY GENERAL SUBGROUPS, AND THEY DO NOT PERFECTLY ALIGN WITH THE ZONING LAND USE THAT WE HAVE IN THE ZONING SIDE OF OUR CODE.

BUT THOSE USES WOULD FALL WITHIN ONE OF THESE GROUPINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ESTABLISHED.

SO THAT'S WHY, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE ZONING CODE, YOU'LL SEE YOU HAVE RETAIL USES, YOU MIGHT HAVE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USES.

WELL, IN THE PARKING STANDARD, WE WOULD RELATE THAT TO A BUSINESS AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY NOT OTHERWISE SPECIFIED AND SET A STANDARD FOR THAT.

BUT YET, IT'S A SPECIFIC USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

IT'S JUST IN A BROADER CATEGORY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FOR PARKING.

>> THAT HAS A UNIQUE PARKING SITUATION LIKE THE BARBERSHOP.

STUFF AND THAT'S WHY YOU'VE SEEN THAT TREND OF THERE BEING NEEDING MORE SPACES BECAUSE IT WASN'T IT WAS BEING GROUPED WHERE IT REALLY DOESN'T THE PARKING DOESN'T FUNCTION FOR THAT TYPE BUSINESS.

AND IF YOU HAD ONE FOR EVERYTHING, THE PARKING, THE ORDINANCE WILL BE SO BIG, SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT KIND OF AS NARROW AS YOU CAN.

BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO AREAS THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER AREAS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT.

JUST OUT OF THE RESEARCH WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.

>> AND I KNOW THAT IN BETWEEN BOTH EMILY AND ALYSSA DOING THIS RESEARCH FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS SUMMER, WE DID EVALUATE HOW OUR CURRENT TABLE LOOKS AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY, LIKE, BIG DISPARITY BETWEEN HOW WE'RE APPLYING PARKING.

WAS ANYTHING GLARING? ARE WE DOING SOMETHING COMPLETELY OFF BASE? AND IT DID NOT APPEAR THAT WE WERE.

>> HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH WAREHOUSING?

>> THAT IS PROVIDED FOR.

IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND EMPLOYEES.

IT'S A UNIQUE ONE.

>> YES. IT'S ONE SPACE FOR TWO EMPLOYEES ON THE LARGER SHIFT PLUS ONE SPACE FOR THE COMPANY VEHICLES OPERATING FROM THE PREMISE.

[OVERLAP] THE MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSING? I THINK THAT IS RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT.

>> MANUFACTURING. THAT WHERE YOU ACT.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT SQUARE FOOTAGE BASED.

>> YEAH. OKAY. DOES THAT SEEM TO WORK OUT?

>> IT DOES.

>> OKAY.

>> THE ONLY TWO THERE WERE TWO OTHER AREAS THAT WERE BESIDES THAT WERE USE BASED WAS A FEW THINGS THAT WE DID SUGGEST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO LOOK AT AND FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IS WE MOVED WHERE THE MAXIMUM TALKING ABOUT THE MAXIMUM, WHERE THE MAXIMUM WAS DOWN AT NUMBER NINE.

WE PUT IT WHERE THE MINIMUM IS WHERE IT FLOWS THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF SPARK IN PLACE'S CONFORM TO AND NOT EXCEED.

SO IT KIND OF FLOWS BETTER TO BE RIGHT THERE AT THE SAME PLACE.

THAT'S ONE SUGGESTION WE HAD.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WAS INFORMATION CONCERNING H STREET MIXED USE OVERLAY, AND SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS CAN BE ACHIEVED THROUGH V AND LUA PAYMENTS TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S CREATION OF ALL STREET PARKING IMPROVEMENTS, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE FELT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

KELLY CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

>> AND THIS IS SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, REALLY, IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE PARKING MINIMUMS ENTIRELY.

THIS APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD AND EVERY ZONING DISTRICT, WHERE THIS SPECIFIC STANDARD WAS TARGETED AT EIGHTH STREET, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTIES ALONG EIGHTH STREET WITH ACHIEVING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THERE AND PARKING.

SO IT WAS AN OPTION SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GAIN SOME REVENUE TO SUPPORT CREATION OF ON STREET PARKING AND OTHER EIGHTH STREET IMPROVEMENTS FOR THAT AREA.

OF COURSE, WE GO TO ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS. WE WOULD ELIMINATE IT FROM HERE, THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE A STATEMENT IN THERE AT ALL.

>> AS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOME TYPE OF MINIMUM PARKING FOR EIGHTH STREET, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT PARKING OVERFLOWS INTO SAY SEVENTH STREET OR SIXTH STREET OR THOSE SIDE STREETS.

>> THAT WOULD GO FOR ANYTHING AS A POTENTIAL.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S ANY USES IN ANY LOCATION.

>> SO I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY THAT WITHOUT MINIMUMS, DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING.

[01:45:01]

>> NO.

>> ON 8TH STREET SPECIFICALLY, THERE IS A TENSION BETWEEN THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP QUALITY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARKING MINIMUM AND MEET THE PARKING MINIMUM BECAUSE THE SPACE IS SO LIMITED THERE THAT YOU'RE UTILIZING THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND AREA TO SUPPORT PARKING IN A VERY SMALL AREA THAT IS ESPECIALLY IN A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH, AS I'M SEEING IT HAS FORCED A PROPERTY OWNER TO JUST DO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE THEY CAN PUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE AND MEET THE PARKING MINIMUM, AND IT'S AN EASY THING TO DO.

BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE, PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO MIXED USE.

THEY JUST CAN'T MAKE IT WORK WHEN BALANCING THAT WITH PARKING.

>> AND THEY COULD MAKE IT WORK IF WHAT?

>> IF WE HAD AN OPTION OR IF WE ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT HOW MUCH PARKING THEY ACTUALLY NEED BY ESTABLISHING A PARKING MAXIMUM.

>> BUT THAT WOULD USUALLY MEAN THEY'RE PARKING ON SIDE STREETS AND OTHER STREETS, OTHER THAN THEIR BUSINESS.

>> AND THERE'S NO DENYING THE REALITY BEHIND THAT, PARTICULARLY FOR 8TH STREET AND THOSE TWO SIDE STREETS AT 9TH AND 7TH, AS WELL AS OTHER AREAS WHERE THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE AFFECTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPER DECIDING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY PROVIDE ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL, ATTRACT A GREAT BUSINESS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO GO THERE.

NOW THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS TO SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS NEEDS.

WE'RE STUCK WITHOUT ANY REVENUE TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

>> I'VE HAD, AND I THINK OF THE SHRIMP FEST ABOUT HOW ON THESE STREETS, AND I'M THINKING ALONG 8TH STREET, 7TH STREET, 6TH STREET, DURING SHRIMP FEST, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, SO THAT IF YOU COME INTO THAT BLOCK, AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS COMING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, SOMEBODY'S GOT TO GO.

>> YEAH.

>> SO THEN [NOISE] THE CITY'S GOT TO DECIDE THERE'S NO PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

MUCH LIKE THEY DID UP THERE WHERE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, YOU COULDN'T GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGH IT.

>> OR ASH STREET.

I THINK THEY RESTRICTED THAT.

>> SO THIS ISN'T AS SIMPLE AS JUST SAYING, LET'S JUST LET THEM OVERFLOW INTO WHATEVER STREETS THEY WANT TO GO INTO WITHOUT THINKING THAT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT.

>> KELLY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING EXACTLY, BUT I TRUST YOU.

I THINK WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON 8TH STREET AND NOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON 8TH STREET, WE'RE LESS STUPID THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S MADE.

IT SEEMS TO ME MORE APPROPRIATE FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENCOURAGE THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER.

>> WHAT IS THE PARKING SITUATION DOWN HERE ON, I THINK, IT'S 3D STREET WHERE THERE IS MIXED USE.

YOU'VE GOT BUSINESSES ON THE BOTTOM, AND YOU'VE GOT, I THINK, RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.

WHAT KIND OF LOTS ARE THOSE? IS THE PARKING ON THE BACK SIDE OF THEM?

>> THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL PARKING ON THE BACK SIDE OF THOSE STRUCTURES.

THEN ON STREET PARKING HAS BEEN CREATED ON 3RD STREET.

THERE IS NO MINIMUM THERE BECAUSE IT'S CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

SO ON THE NON-RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THERE WAS ZERO REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO EXIST.

>>I'LL ADD SOMETHING IF I COULD, AT LEAST ON 8TH STREET.

THE INTENT ORIGINALLY OF THE 8TH STREET OVERLAY WAS TO REDEVELOP 8TH STREET.

I THINK IT'S DONE ITS JOB BECAUSE IT'S REDEVELOPED A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT NEEDED TO BE REDEVELOPED.

WE WERE INVOLVED WITH THE TAYLOR REN, WHICH I DID.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE.

SO THE POINT BEING IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL MIXTURE INTO IT.

PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT BECAUSE IT HELPS YOUR FINANCING, IT HELPS YOUR EXIT STRATEGY IF THINGS GO BAD, YOU HAVE AN OUT.

SO MIXED USE IS WONDERFUL, BUT KELLY'S RIGHT, THE PARKING IS KILLING IT IN THAT REGARD.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT PARKING ON 9TH STREET BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT,

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I THINK WE OUGHT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO COME VERSUS REACTING. YEAH.

>> WE NEED SOME MORE DISCUSSION HERE.

>> I THINK 9TH STREET HAS THE ABILITY, AND I WAS TALKING TO KELLY ABOUT THIS THROUGH A ONE WAY TRAFFIC PATTERN, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE MAD ABOUT, BUT AT LEAST YOU COULD ADD ON STREET PARKING PRETTY EASILY, JUST LIKE YOU DO DOWNTOWN.

THEN WE COULD REALLY ALLOW PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THAT AS THEY INCREMENTALLY DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, AND FROM A MIXED USE PERSPECTIVE.

THEY WOULD BUILD IT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM THE INCENTIVE AND MOTIVATION TO DO IT IN THE AVENUE IN WHICH TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

>> YEAH.

>> KELLY, WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS IN 2015 OR '16 WHEN WE LAID OUT A PLAN FOR 8TH STREET?

>> AT THAT POINT, THERE WAS NO DENYING THE FACT THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE SOME SERIOUS IMPROVEMENTS TOWARDS 9TH STREET IN ADDRESSING WHAT WE HOPED WOULD BECOME A CHALLENGE, WHICH WAS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS AND DYNAMIC COMMUNITY THAT WOULD EMERGE ALONG 8TH STREET.

ESPECIALLY TO PROVIDE FOR ALTERNATIVE TRIPS OFF OF 8TH STREET, WHETHER THAT'S VEHICLE BASED, BICYCLE BASE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A COMFORTABLE WALKING SETTING ALONG 8TH STREET.

IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING RESIDENTIAL THERE, WE DO WANT TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE WHERE PEOPLE DO FEEL COMFORTABLE AND SAFE REGULARLY WALKING.

HUGE LESSON LEARNED WITH THAT AS WE ROLLED FORWARD WITH THOSE NEXT STEPS IN LOOKING AT 9TH STREET, WE COMMISSIONED A STUDY TO BE COMPLETED, THINKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF 9TH STREET.

THE COMMUNITY CAME OUT VERY STRONGLY THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME THEY WANTED NOTHING TO BE DONE.

PLEASE DO NOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW TO ADDRESS 9TH STREET AT ALL WHATSOEVER.

SO AT THAT POINT, WE SET ASIDE 9TH STREET, WHICH REALLY IS UNFORTUNATE AND NOT THE RIGHT MOVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOW SEEING THE EFFECTS OF NOT FINISHING THOSE PLANS.

DOCUMENTING WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE THERE, GETTING IN PLACE FUNDING TO SUPPORT IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S FOR SIDEWALKS OR ON STREET PARKING OR LANDSCAPING OR MULTI USE PATHS.

WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A STRONG NEED WITHIN THAT AREA, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO REVISIT.

>> HAS THERE BEEN AN OUTREACH TO THAT COMMUNITY AGAIN?

>> NOT SINCE 2017.

>> THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS WELL?

>> ABSOLUTELY. IN A VERY DIFFERENT WAY, MUCH MORE TARGETED AND SPECIFIC WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF ADVANCED AWARENESS AND COLLECTIVE INPUT BEFORE ANYTHING GETS STARTED.

>> DOES THAT PLAN ANYWHERE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT? I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS, BUT WHEN YOU THE PRESENT PLAN [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT DOES NOT EXIST.

>> OKAY.

>> IT WAS SCRAPPED.

>> OKAY. THE ONLY LAST THING WAS A LITTLE TWEAKING TO THE WORDING WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIRE MARSHAL, THE OCCUPANCY LOAD, MAXIMUMS, JUST TO BE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE 10%, IF IT'S OVER THE OCCUPANCY LOAD THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL REQUIRES, THAT THAT'S YOUR MAXIMUM IS WHAT YOU CAN DO.

SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. I THINK THAT'S IT.

>> WHAT YOU DO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU REALLY IS THAT FIRST INCREMENTAL APPROACH ADDRESSING THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT WE KNEW NEEDED TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING VARIANCES, WE'RE SEEING ISSUES WITH OUR CODE, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT 8TH STREET AND PROVIDING AT LEAST AN OPTION OUT FOR RIGHT NOW.

IT IS NOT THE END SOLUTION, AND I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO EXAMINE A LARGER SCALE SOLUTION TO SOME OF OUR AMENDMENTS.

BUT THIS FIRST ITERATION WAS JUST AN EFFORT TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED.

>> MR. BENNETT, DID YOU HAVE COMMENTS?

>> OH, YEAH. THERE'S A THING IN HERE ON SHARED PARKING.

I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU ON ITEM NUMBER 1B.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SHARED PARKING.

I ONLY SEE THREE OF THEM, ONE OR TWO.

SO MY QUESTION GOES TO ON SHARED PARKING, MEANING I HAVE TO GO TO NICK TO PARK AT HIS PARKING LOT.

HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH, I DON'T NOTICE ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN HERE HAVING SOME KIND OF A TIMING IN THE CONTRACT.

I GOT A CONTRACT TO PARK AT HIS PACE FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR OR 10 YEARS.

THE ONLY THING I'M SEEING HERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY.

SO MY QUESTION GOES TO, I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING.

I BRING A CONTRACT IN FOR TWO MONTHS TO PARK ON ITS PARKING SPACE.

ARE YOU DEALING WITH TIME? CONSIDERING.

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>> THE AGREEMENT EXISTS FOR AS LONG AS THE CONDITIONS DESCRIBED IN THE APPLICATION FOR SHARED PARKING CONTINUE TO EXIST.

SOMETHING CHANGES OR THAT AGREEMENT GOES AWAY, AND ANOTHER AGREEMENT IS NOT PUT IN PLACE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR BUSINESS FROM CONTINUING TO OPERATE, AND YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THAT.

AGAIN, THE CITY'S A PARTY TO THIS AGREEMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE ARE MADE AWARE OF IT WHEN THAT AGREEMENT LAPSES OR THOSE CONDITIONS CHANGE.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN.

SO IT'S ON YOU AS AS A PROPERTY OWNER TO FIGURE OUT YOUR PARKING, WHICH IS NOW OTHERWISE CONSISTENT WITH THE TERMS OF OUR CODE OR A CODE CASE.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? IF YOU HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, THAT GUY ACROSS THE STREET, HE'S GOT A SHARED PARKING SOMEWHERE.

HE'S DOING GREAT. EVERYBODY LOVES IT.

CITY COMMISSION EATS THERE EVERY TUESDAY NIGHT.

NOW HIS PARKING SHARING AGREEMENT GOES AWAY.

YOU'RE GOING TO COME IN AND TRY AND SHUT IT DOWN?

>> WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO HELP FIND THEM PARKING.

BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT BECOMES A CODE CASE.

THANKFULLY, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT SITUATION IN THE 10 PLUS YEARS THAT THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE, AND WE HAVE BEEN PARTING TO SEVERAL PARKING AGREEMENTS WHERE THAT PROPERTY OWNER UNDERSTANDS FOR THEM TO HAVE AND CONTINUE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, THEY NEED PARKING.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO FIND PARKING.

>> WELL, THIS SOUNDS LIKE LOOPHOLES TO ME.

SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF I'M GOING TO ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING, A AS PART OF THE CITY, I'D HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THE CONTRACT STATING HOW LONG THAT SHARED PARKING IS THERE.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S FLEXIBLE BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S ALMOST FLEXIBLE, ONE DAY IT COULD BE IN ONE BAY NOT, AND WE'LL DEAL WITH IT IN CASE SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED.

BUT DON'T YOU THINK A TIMING SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT WITH ONE OF THE CONDITIONS?

>> THAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S WRITING A STIPULATION THAT WE CAN'T PREDICT.

SO WHETHER THAT'S A YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 20 YEARS, IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

>> BUT WE NEVER HAD. I'LL COMMENT BECAUSE IN PERPETUITY IS A LONG TIME, AND THAT BUILDING COULD BE THERE FOREVER.

SO IT'S HARD TO FORCE SOMEONE TO HAVE A PARKING AGREEMENT FOREVER.

WE'VE DONE SHARE PARKING HERE.

WE'VE DONE THREE OR FOUR OF THEM, AND THEY'VE ALL WORKED.

>> WELL, I'M NOT SUGGESTING PERPETUITY.

>> BOTH BUSINESSES, BOTH PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ALIVE AND ACTIVE AND OPERATIONAL.

PARKING HAS TO EXIST AND ONE BUILDING MAY BE THERE FOR 150 YEARS.

SO HOW DO YOU PREDICT THAT?

>> I WOULD THINK THAT EVERY CONTRACT HAS SOME KIND OF A STIPULATION FOR TIMING IT.

>> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> I'D THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW SHARED PARKING, WHICH CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM TWO CARS TO 1,000 CARS.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW.

>> THOSE CONTRACTS DO. WHAT THEY DO SAY IS THIS CAN BE ELIMINATED WITH 30 DAYS NOTICE, 60 DAYS NOTICE.

IT'S AT THAT POINT THAT WE BECOME AWARE THAT THAT CONTRACT IS GOING AWAY AND SUPPORT THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN TRYING TO FIND ALTERNATE PLANNING ALTERNATE PARKING.

AND WE HAVE HAD THE SITUATION WHERE THAT CONTRACT WAS ELIMINATED, THEIR ABILITY TO USE SHARED PARKING GONE AWAY, AND A PROPERTY OWNER WAS FORCED TO PURCHASE LAND TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR THEIR BUSINESS.

THEY FOUND IT, SO TO AVOID A CODE CASE.

>> MY CONCERN IS YOU COULD POTENTIALLY CREATE A PROBLEM WITH NO SOLUTION, EXCEPT WE'LL ALL WORK IT OUT DOWN THE ROAD, MAYBE.

WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT WE'RE MOVING PARKING FROM ONE SPOT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT IN AN AREA.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT, I WOULD THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME TIMING INVOLVED.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER SEEN A CONTRACT THAT DIDN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF A TIMING AGREEMENT IN IT.

WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> THAT IT'S RENEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.

>> I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFYING A TIME.

I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW FOR THAT IN AN AGREEMENT, IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF THE PLANNING, AND AGAIN, I CAN MAKE UP STORIES ABOUT HOW BIG AND WHATEVER.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PARKING SPACE.

>> I'LL SAY SO THOSE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE NOT LOOKING TO BE CHANGED RIGHT NOW AT ALL.

THEY'RE IN THERE SO THAT YOU HAVE THEM TO SEE THE ENTIRETY OF HOW PARKING IS WORKING WITHIN THE CITY TODAY.

SO THOSE AREAS FOR PARKING FLEXIBILITY AREN'T ANY AREAS WHERE WE HAD LOOKED AT TO MAKE ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

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THERE'S NO SUGGESTED CHANGES RIGHT NOW.

>> AN EXAMPLE, I'M THINKING OF THE BRICK BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PALACE SALOON, THE THREE STORY BRICK BUILDING.

>> CHANEY BUILDING.

>> CHANEY BUILDING. SO OVER THE YEAR, THEY HAVE SHARED PARKING REQUIREMENT.

>> THEY'RE C3.

>> SO THEY'RE C3. SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY TIME SOMEBODY HAS A LEASE WITH WHOEVER OWNS THAT BUILDING, THAT LEASE THEORETICALLY, IF IT WASN'T THAT ZONING.

WE COME TO THE CITY TO SAY, OUR LEASE IS UP, AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS GOT TO KNOW.

HOW DOES THIS WORK THAT YOU ALL KNOW THESE LEASES ARE COMING UP AND THE PARKING SPACES ARE AVAILABLE?

>> I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. LET'S USE DAVID'S RESTAURANT AS AN EXAMPLE, AND THEY SHARE PARKING WITH FRED.

THE OLD FRED'S, WHATEVER IT IS NOW.

FRED'S DECIDES THEY WANT TO BUILD CONDOS.

THEY WIPE OUT ALL THE PARKING, AND NOW DAVIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING.

>> IT'S ALSO C3.

>>WHATEVER. BUT THEY'RE ALL BIG BOYS.

THEY KNOW IT'S NOT THE CITY'S FAULT.

YEAH. THEY THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE.

THEY SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE, AND THEY GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT.

IT'S NOT UP TO US TO FIGURE IT OUT.

>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. WHY CAN'T THE TWO PEOPLE, THE TWO COMPANIES INVOLVED WORK IT OUT? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO SAY, YOU NEED TO DO THIS AND YOU NEED TO DO THAT.

>> I CANT'S BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE MANAGING THOSE CONTRACTS.

>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MY CONCERN WOULD BE, THEY'RE ALL PARKING THERE NOW.

NOW THEY GO ON THE STREETS, SURROUNDING STREETS SOMEWHERE, WHICH WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

THAT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORS, NOT NECESSARILY AND FOR THEM BECAUSE.

>> BUT THEY'LL BE IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY'S AGREEMENT NOW.

THEY'LL HAVE TO SOLVE IT.

IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY DEAL WITH WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE FOR THEM, BUT THEY SIGNED IT. THEY BUILT THE RESTAURANT.

>> I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.

>> SO WE DON'T WANT TO EXERCISE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT BY TIMING.

>> I THINK LESS GOVERNMENT IS BETTER.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU ALL DO.

I MEAN SNUFF EVERYBODY LEAVES.

>> NO. WE BECOME AWARE OF IT TYPICALLY THROUGH AN ATTORNEY WHO INFORMS US THAT THEIR CLIENT IS LETTING THIS PARTICULAR AGREEMENT GO.

THEY'RE INFORMING US THAT THEY ARE LETTING THIS GO AND THIS OTHER BUSINESS WILL NO LONGER HAVE PARKING WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

>> HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT HAPPENED?

>> TWICE.

>> AND DID IT GET RESOLVED?

>> YES.

>> BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD.

>> YOU'VE HAD THIS IN PLACE FOR OVER 10 YEARS SINCE 2012.

>> WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF IT, DO WE?

>> WE HAVE ENOUGH OF A YES.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE UTILIZING THIS AREA OF OUR CODE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

>> SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.

>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE ADULTS. WHAT I DO WORRY ABOUT IS THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THOSE SIDE STREETS.

THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE IF IT'S OKAY. SHRIMP FEST.

OKAY. YOU GRIT YOUR TEETH AND YOU JUST DON'T TAKE YOUR CAR OUT OF THE GARAGE.

YOU JUST LEAVE IT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU WALK WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING.

YOU JUST DON'T DRIVE DURING SHRIMP FEST.

>> IN THIS CASE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE GARAGE.

>> BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SHRIMP FEST ON YOUR STREETS, EVERY SINGLE WEEK, EVERY DAY, BECAUSE YOU'VE YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY ALLOWED ALL THAT PARKING THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR A BUSINESS TO HAVE A BUSINESS, YOU REQUIRED THEM TO HAVE A COUPLE OF PLACES TO PARK.

NOW, YOU DON'T.

AND NOW YOU SAY THEY BUILD UP EVERY SINGLE SQUARE FOOT OF SPACE FOR THE BUSINESS, WHICH THEY WOULD DO.

AND YOU JUST SAY, WELL, YOU JUST FIND A SPACE, SOMEWHERE ON THE SIDE STREET, SOMEWHERE IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.

WELL, HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN GETTING ALONG ALL THESE YEARS, HAVEN'T THEY? ARE PEOPLE COMPLAINING? THEY WILL WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

>> THEY ARE.

>> YEAH, IT'S BEEN HAPPENING, RIGHT?

>> NO, I MEAN, IT'S ONLY OCCASIONALLY.

IT'S ONLY DURING SHRIMFAST OR SOME BIG EVENT WHERE THE STREETS ARE LITERALLY [OVERLAPPING] PARKING GOES TO PARKING RIGHT.

ON TWO SIDES. YOU GOT PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

>> YEAH, BUT THE THING IS, YOU SAID ABOUT ST. MICHAEL'S CAPTURE.

THERE'S PARKING ON THIS SIDE.

BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT ONE WAY, SO THERE'S CARS COMING BOTH WAYS,

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WHICH IS EQUALLY IS RIDICULOUS.

THEY ONLY MADE IT SO YOU COULDN'T PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE.

>> BUT YOU CAN YOU CAN'T PUT TWO CARS.

>> YOU STILL CAN'T GO THROUGH.

>> YOU CAN SOLVE THAT THROUGH TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.

YOU CAN PUT NO PARKING ON ONE SIDE, YOU CAN FIGURE PART OF THAT OUT.

>> BUT I THINK THOUGH THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE GO TO MAKE SURE WE GO THROUGH.

IT JUST SAYS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE PARKING.

A BLANKET STATEMENT CARRIES ALL KINDS OF IMPLICATIONS TO OTHERS.

IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE TAKING CARE OF 8TH STREET, BUT YOU'RE IMPACTING 7TH STREET, 6TH STREET, 9TH STREET.

ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS JUST LIKE WHEN THEY WERE THEY'RE PUTTING THAT MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING THERE BY AMIA PARK? THOSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PARKING PLACE.

>> SO WE NEED MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS?

>> I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME [OVERLAPPING]

>> I THINK WE COME FROM FULL CIRCLE.

IT'S COMPLICATED WHERE WE STARTED. IT'S BEEN COMPLICATED.

>> ON THE LAST COMMENT WILL BE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A FEE IN LIEU OF PARKING IF WE REALLY HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IT COST TO BUILD IT.

>> YEAH.

>> WELL, YOU HELP WITH AN ESTIMATE?

>> I CAN'T BUT LAND IS THE PART THAT I CAN'T HELP.

>> RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY I CAN ONLY AT THE CONSTRUCTION COST FOR PARKING.

>> BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE WHERE TO PUT IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.

>> I HAVE THE STREET.

>> THAT'S OUR PROBLEM.

>> YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT CAN BE BUILT BY INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPERS ON THEIR OWN IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS.

DOWNTOWN SO THEY PAY FOR IT, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO SPEND IT.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING BACKWARDS IMPACT FEES, AND WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

>> I THINK KELLY, YOU WERE MAKING IT AS AN OPTION.

IT'S JUST AN OPTION.

AND I DO BELIEVE WE CAN LOOK AT SOME ORDINANCES BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THIS AND GET SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT PAYMENT LIEU.

>> RIGHT AT THE VERY END.

>> THANK YOU. I HAD A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION.

>> I SAY THAT I'M KIND OF LEFT CONFUSED ON NEXT STEPS.

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO NEXT?

>> WHAT I KIND OF HEARD WAS THAT YOU WANT US TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH TO CONTINUE TO SEE ABOUT MINIMUMS, IF THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES OUT THERE THAT ARE COMPATIBLE THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM.

WE KIND OF THE CONSENSUS WAS WE WANT TO KEEP A MAXIMUM, OR DO YOU WANT US TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE MAXIMUM.

>> LADIES JOIN.

>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO MAKE A DECISION.

>> I DON'T THINK WE ARE EITHER.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS.

MORE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP.

>> SO WE NEED ANOTHER MEETING ON THIS?

>> YEAH. WE NEED TO CONTINUE IN THIS CONVERSATION.

I THINK THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS FANTASTIC?

>> I THINK SO.

>> YOU'RE YOU'RE HOVERING THOSE LITTLE NUGGETS OF THINGS THAT IF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM ON THE FRONT END, IT COULD IMPACT REALLY THE DECISION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TO HAVE BETTER PARKING.

>> WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OBJECTIVE.

I MEAN, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT IS GENERAL.

WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OBJECTIVE. WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE? ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT ALL THE SIDE STREETS IN TOWN OR JUST 8TH STREET, 9TH STREET? BECAUSE WE HAVE A ZILION SIDE STREETS HERE.

>> AND WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 8TH STREET? NOW YOU DRIVE UP BETWEEN SOUTH OF CENTER, NORTH AND SOUTH OF CENTER? BECAUSE 8TH STREET THIS IS 12 YEARS AGO WE WENT DOWN 8TH STREET, THERE WAS NOTHING SOUTH OF THAT STREET.

>> SO IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE OVERLAY, THAT IS THE 8TH STREET MIXED-USE OVERLAY, AND THAT IS APPROXIMATELY FROM THE END OF THE STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT AT ROUGHLY BEACH STREET TO LIME STREET.

AND THEN FROM THE HALF BLOCK OF 8TH STREET EXTENDING TO THE FULL BLOCK OF 7TH STREET ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THEN THE HALF BLOCK OF 9TH STREET ON THE 9TH STREET SIDE.

>> THAT COULD ALMOST BE A WHOLE PROJECT.

>> IT IS A WHOLE PROJECT.

>> WHOLE PROJECT OF HOW [OVERLAPPING].

>> IT WAS A MASTER.

>> HOW YOU REALLY BUILT THIS THING?

>> SO YOU DID TOO GOOD OF THE JOB.

>> WE NEED A COUPLE OF OBJECTIVES.

>> WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THEIR OWN OBJECTIVES.

>> NO, BUT I MEAN, YEAH, BECAUSE THIS IS TOO MUCH OF A FREE-FOR-ALL ALL.

>> I THINK WE'RE GETTING THERE. WE'RE STARTING TO NARROW IT DOWN.

>> SO DO YOU THINK THAT [OVERLAPPING].

>> IS GOING TO BE 8TH STREET?

>> THAT'S WHY WE TOOK THIS APPROACH.

>> SO NO MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUM ARE OKAY EXCEPT FOR 8TH STREET?

>> IS THAT TRUE?

>> I MEAN, I'M ASKING THAT. AT LEAST WE COULD SOLVE THAT PART OF IT.

>> I THINK 8TH STREET IS STILL A PROBLEM.

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>> I MEAN EXCEPT FOR 8TH STREET. YES.

>> WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION OUT OF PROVIDING ALL OF YOUR ONSITE PARKING ON 8TH STREET FOR B IN LIEU, BUT ONLY AS AN OPTION TO ESTABLISH A MAXIMUM ONLY FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE.

AND THEN ONLY HAVE A MINIMUM THERE SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE AFTER FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, IS IT A PROBLEM IN OTHER LOCATIONS? POTENTIALLY. THE OTHER POTENTIAL AREA IS YOUR BEACHES AND YOUR COMMERCIAL BEACH NODES WHERE PARKING IS CONSTRAINED?

>> CAN YOU WRITE THAT DOWN AS ONE OF OUR PROBLEMS TO SOLVE?

>> YES.

>> AND ADD THE BEACHES AS WELL? LIKE OUR BEACHES DOWN HERE, SAO.

>> PARKING OBJECTIVES.

>> PARKING OBJECTIVE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS COME UP WITH OUR OBJECTIVE.

>> I WILL SICK AND WE'RE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON. SO STREETS.

>> OUR FIRST OBJECTIVE WAS WE NEEDED TO SOLVE MEDICAL, WHICH I THINK NEED TO SOLVE IN THERE.

MEDICAL OFFICERS.

SO WE'VE GOT A STANDARD IN THERE, WHICH I THINK WE ALL IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S ANY ONE WHO'S UPSET ABOUT THAT.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, WHAT I SAID ABOUT MEDICAL, WAS IT THERE'S NO MINIMUMS?

>> NO JUST CHECKED HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.

>> SO ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE SOME MORE PARKING.

>> OKAY. ADD BEAUTY SALONS AND BAR SHOP.

>> AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE HOSPITAL AND THE MILLENNIAL GROUP OR ANY DOCTOR'S OFFICE?

>> IT'S MEDICAL OFFICES AND CLINICS.

HOSPITALS HAVE A DIFFERENT STANDARD.

>> WE'RE GETTING SO OLD GO TO KEEP GOING THERE.

>> WE DON'T NEED THEM ANYMORE.

>> WELL, WE'LL BE OUT THERE PLAYING BUMPER PART.

WE NEED THAT. PARK AND RIDE. REMEMBER.

>> SOLVE THE 8TH STREET.

>> YEAH, 8TH STREET IS CARVED OUT AS ITS OWN ENTITY ON STREET.

>> YEAH. THAT'S IT.

>> WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAX. YEAH.

>> SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS?

>> I'M GOING TO START WORKING ON IT NEXT WEEK NEXT MEETING.

>> OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT A WORKSHOP?

>> NO.

>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS COMING UP FOR NEXT MONTH THAT [OVERLAPPING].

>> YOU GOT WORK TO DO?

>> NO.

>> YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE MEETING ON THIS.

>> WE GOT TO HAVE NECK HERE.

I'M GOING TO BE UP MISSING NEXT MEETING.

>> WE'RE SAYING NO.

>> SO I'LL ALSO NOT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE.

[BACKGROUND]

>> MAYBE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE DAY WE MEET.

>> I'M GOING TO BE GONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. WHATEVER DAY WE'RE MEETING.

[LAUGHTER] WHAT WE GIVE THEM TWO MONTHS TO FIGURE WE'RE NOT DONE FOR THIS, RIGHT?

>> IF KELLY'S GOING TO BE GONE, TOO.

>> I THINK THAT BARB'S IDEA TO START TO CODIFY SOME OBJECTIVES WAS A GREAT IDEA.

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BUILD ON THAT.

WE CAN ADD TO IT.

WE CAN MAKE SURE THERE'S CLARITY.

>> WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE.

>> NO. I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU YOUR OBJECTIVES.

>> NINTH OF OCTOBER.

>> YEAH. ADD STANDARDS FOR MEDICAL, ADD STANDARDS FOR D SALONS.

SAL FOR 8TH STREET, WHICH IS NOT ONE MEETING THING.

WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY ADDRESSING CONCERNS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS AND THEN CONSIDER PARKING IMPACTS FOR THE BEACH.

YOU CAN HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS ON EACH OF THESE THINGS.

THE REQUIRE SOME ANALYSIS AND MAPPING THAT HELP TO DEMONSTRATE WHERE THERE'S POTENTIAL ISSUES.

IF I'M BEING COMPLETELY HONEST WHEN IT COMES TO 8TH STREET, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS THINK ABOUT THE ACTUAL STRATEGY FOR OBTAINING ON STREET PARKING AND OTHER OTHER NEEDS LIKE MULTI USE PATHS, BICYCLE PATHS, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, TRANSIT SERVICES ON 9TH STREET AND POTENTIALLY 7TH STREET, WHERE YOU HAVE SIDEWALK GAPS AND ISSUES THERE TOO.

THAT'S WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THEN YOU ALSO NEED TO THINK ABOUT YOUR SIDE STREETS THAT ARE YOUR CONNECTIONS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BEACH RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S SOME REALLY AWESOME IMPROVEMENTS.

IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN DOWN BEACH STREET, PLEASE TAKE SOME TIME TO GO DOWN THERE.

IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET BETTER FROM HERE AS LANDSCAPING GETS INSTALLED.

BUT THERE'S FORMALIZED PARKING GOING IN,

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A MUCH LARGER PATHWAY GOING IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

JUST DRIVE BY THERE.

YOU'LL SEE SOME REALLY GREAT IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE ON CEDAR AND D AND ELM AND FUR TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS? AND THEN WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT 9TH STREET AS WELL.

>> SO I'M TELLING GIVEN THAT WE'RE PRIVATE CITIZENS WHO HAVE A VARIETY OF BACKGROUNDS, SHOULD WE PULL IN SOME ARCHITECTS, SOME LANDSCAPE PEOPLE TO TALK TO US?

>> IT WOULD, BUT WHAT YOU'RE ULTIMATELY AFTER IS TRYING TO ESTABLISH SOME TYPE OF TEMPLATE OR DESIGN STRATEGY FOR EACH OF THESE AREAS SO THAT AS DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS.

THIS IS HOW WE WANT YOU TO BUILD OUT THAT SECTION OF STREET.

AND THEN THE CITY COMING IN AND DOING THE OTHER PORTIONS OF IT THAT AREN'T GETTING AREN'T HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME FRAME FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

>> I THINK BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MEETING, AS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, WE NEED TO DRIVE DOWN ALL OF THOSE STREETS AND JUST KIND OF, LIKE, LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE CONDITION IS, DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. KELLY, YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO WORK ON FOR OUR NEXT MEETING HELP US.

>> TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION.

>> CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. EXACTLY.

>> YES. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR US?

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> CAN YOU SAY WE'RE NOT HAVING A MEETING ON THIS?

>> NO. WE ARE.

>> SO YOU ARE. YOU'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE NICK HERE, AND YOU WILL ALSO NOT HAVE ME HERE.

>> AND THAT'S OKAY.

>> AND ALEXANDER SAID HE'LL SHOW UP AGAIN.

>> AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CASES TO COME BEFORE US. I MEAN, SO.

>> ESSENTIALLY A WORKS.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE A QUICK MEETING.

ANYWAY, SO WE'LL DEAL WITH IT.

ITEM NUMBER 5. PUBLIC COMMENT.

[5. PUBLIC COMMENT]

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, MARGARET.

[OVERLAPPING] BLESS YOUR HEART. THANK YOU.

>> MARGARET KIRKLAND, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CONSERVE.

NOW SO I WAS NOT PLANNING TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL, BUT IT OCCURS TO ME THAT WE NEED A LITTLE REMINDER.

WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING SPACES, WE NEED TO REMEMBER A COUPLE OF THINGS IN EVERY SINGLE CASE FROM NOW UNTIL WHO KNOWS WHEN.

NUMBER ONE IS, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT VEGETATION.

WITH THE TYPE OF RAIN WE'RE HAVING NOW, WHICH WE HAVE MORE DENSITY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF MOISTURE THAT'S IN THE ATMOSPHERE, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT WE PUT UP AND HOW WE MANAGE IT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO BE VACATING THE AREA SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS WITH THESE STREETS LIKE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 8TH STREET, 9TH STREET, 7TH STREET, AND SO ON.

WHATEVER WE DO ON 8TH STREET AND WHATEVER THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE IMPACT, ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY HAVE INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY HAVE SOME RIGHTS, TOO, AND THIS IMPACTS THEIR PROPERTY VALUES.

IT IMPACTS THEIR LIVES.

IT IMPACTS THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US TO CONSIDER AND ALL ISSUES.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARGARET. POINTS WELL TAKEN.

ANY ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE.

OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU GUYS HIT YOUR LIGHTS AND CLEAR.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.