Aug 21, 2024 Regular Meeting

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>> GOOD MEETING OF THE FERNANDIH COMMISSION.

>> WE HAVE A FEW OFF-AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT WE WANT TO START WITH NUMBER ONE, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ALREADY THAT WE ARE REELING HERE AT CITY HALL FROM THE PASSING OF MR. CHARLIE GEORGE. HE WAS A FRIEND TO MANY AND PART OF THE CITY HALL FAMILY. TONIGHT I'VE ASKED REVEREND THOMPSON TO START US

OUT WITH A PRAYER. >> LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER ARE GOD WE COME TONIGHT ALERT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR HEALTH AND STRENGTH. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS, FOR YOUR PLATE OF TENDER MERCIES LORD IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR YOU WHERE WOULD WE BE FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA AND WE SEND OUR PRAYERS TO THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF BROTHER CHARLIE GEORGE. MAY HE REST ETERNALLY IN YOUR BOSOM. WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE FOR THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH COMMISSION. WE GIVE THE PRAISES IN THE HONOR AND THE GLORY. GOD BLESS FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

AND THE PEOPLE OF GOD SAID >> AMEN.

>> WE FOLLOW THAT WITH A BRIEF MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND THANK YOU. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> REVEREND THOMPSON, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DOUBLE DUTY , YOU

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>> IT COUNTS. >> I THINK IT DOES. YOU MAY BE SEATED. SO, JUMPING RIGHT IN NOW ALSO NOT ON THE AGENDA WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW MEMBER OF OUR POLICE FORCE WITH US TONIGHT, A BRAND-NEW MEMBER BUT IT IS NOT JUST ANY ORDINARY POLICE FORCE MEMBER. COULD YOU TAKE US AWAY WITH WHO WE HAVE HERE WITH US.

>> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S MY HONOR TONIGHT TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR DEPARTMENT. SHE IS ALSO THE YOUNGEST MEMBER OF OUR DEPARTMENT. THIS IS HANNAH.

HANNAH IS A ONE-YEAR-OLD REGISTERED GERMAN SHEPHERD.

SHE'S GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SECTION AND WE REALLY BELIEVE SHE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT AMBASSADOR FOR THE CITY AND SHE'S GOING TO OPEN UP A TON OF AVENUES OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.

>> GREAT. WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE HER.

>> CHIEF, THANK YOU SO MUCH . HANNAH'S GOING TO BE A VERY GOOD ADDITION TO OUR FORCE. ANYTHING ELSE? I HEARD THERE MIGHT BE A PEN OR IS THAT COMING LATER ON?

>> THAT WILL BE LATER ON. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK MINUTE TO INTRODUCE HANNAH AND WE WILL BE BACK IN SEPTEMBER.

>> WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH FRIENDS OF THE FERNANDINA SKATE PARK HERE. COME ON DOWN TO THE PODIUM AND WE WILL DO A PROCLAMATION FOR THE TERRY KELLY SKATE JAM. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS IN OUR BACK POCKET FOR LATER ON BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THERE. IT IS THE 24TH. THANK

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LET'S HEAR FROM MR. GLISSON. >> THANK YOU , MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE WHO SHOWED UP TONIGHT . WE HAVE A LOT OF WONDERFUL RECREATION SPACER THIS EVENING. WE WILL

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THIS IS AN UNLIT BALL FIELD THERE BEHIND THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER. ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE THE CHARLES EUGENE RICHO FIELD.

THIS IS A BASEBALL FIELD, OPEN GREEN SPACE FOR MULTIPURPOSE USE. THERE IS A RUNNING TRACK IN PROGRESS THAT IS BEING BUILT. YOU CAN SEE THAT OVAL THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS.

HOPEFULLY THE COMMISSION WILL APPROVE TONIGHT THE PAVING OF THIS PATH THERE AT THE CHARLES EUGENE RICHO FIELD. IN ADDITION WE HAVE THE MLK JUNIOR FIELD. THIS IS A LIGHTED SOFTBALL GAME FIELD . WE WILL TALK ABOUT HICKORY STREET. ARE YOU CONTROLLING THIS? OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE HICKORY STREET PARK .

THE ILLUSION OF CONTROL I HAVE FOR AT LEAST FOUR SLIDES THERE.

WE HAVE THE HICKORY STREET PARK, A MULTIPURPOSE SOCCER FIELD OPEN FIELD AND A PROPOSED JOINT PROJECT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THE INSTALLATION OF RESTROOMS AT THIS PARK IN THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WE HAVE THAT WITH AN AGREEMENT WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. NEXT SLIDE. WE ALSO HAVE THE MLK CENTER BASEBALL SOFTBALL PRACTICE FIELD. WE HAVE 600,000 BUDGETED IN THIS YEAR TO PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS FIELD AND THAT IS BEEN PROMPTED BY WHAT WILL FOLLOW WHICH IS ALVAREZ WHERE WE HAVE OUR PRE-SOCCER FIELD WITH THE PRACTICE FIELD, OPEN GREEN SPACE FOR SOCCER ACTIVITIES ON THE PROPOSED RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING SOCCER FIELDS TO THE CURRENT SOFTBALL FIELDS AND THIS IS A JOINT PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE THE SOCCER COMPLEX A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.

THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO FUNDING THIS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND THIS IS A $3.5 MILLION PROJECT IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS COMING YEAR. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER RECREATION OF THE PARKS . OF COURSE WE HAVE MAIN BEACH. WITHIN MAIN BEACH YOU HAVE OPEN GREEN SPACE, OPEN PLAYGROUNDS, YOU ALSO HAVE SUNRISE PARK, DEACONS CREEK WITH FITNESS EQUIPMENT, A WALKING TRAIL ADDITIONALLY NOT SHOWN IS SIMMONS PARK OFF OF SIMMONS ROAD WITH THE WALKING TRAIL, AS WELL. ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE TWO FIELDS WITHIN THE NASSAU COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD THAT CAN BE USED FOR PRACTICE PLAY AND WE SPOKE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD RECENTLY TO CONFIRM THAT IS STILL AN OPTION. THAT'S AN OPTION FOR TEAMS TO USE AND THEN THAT'S ALL THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS INVENTORY OF COURSE COMING UP IS THE WATERFRONT PARK. THAT PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS COMING YEAR. WE ARE GOING OUT FOR A BIT ON THAT THIS WEEK AND THEN THAT PARK COULD ALSO HAVE NOT SO MUCH RECREATE CONDITIONS WALKING TRAIL WITHIN IT AND PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT OF OTHER THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY. SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE ON THAT. WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVES OF LITTLE LEAGUE. THE PRESIDENT IS HERE. WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF BABE RUTH HERE AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE TOP COURT. WE KNOW A LOT OF THEM ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE USE OF THIS RECREATIONAL SPACE. WE HAVE A LOT OF IT TO ENJOY BUT YOU KNOW, THIS COORDINATION HAS BEEN INVOLVED THE

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>> ABSOLUTELY. I'M IN TOUCH WITH BOTH MISS LESLIE AND SPOKE WITH JOHN, AS WELL. I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE SOME

SLIDES. IS THAT CORRECT? >> NOT KNOWING WHERE THE DISCUSSION WAS GOING, WE DO HAVE SLIDES AVAILABLE SHOWING OPTIONS IN THE LATEST DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BEEN MAPPED OUT TONIGHT. LESLIE, ARE YOU -- OKAY, COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM.

>> I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AND WHAT I'M PROUD TO HERE IS AFTER TALKING WITH BOTH MR. JOHN ADAMS AND MS. LESLIE IS THAT THERE IS WORKING TOGETHER WHICH IS SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE AND HEAR HAPPEN SO I APPRECIATE YOU

BOTH COMING TONIGHT. >> OF COURSE THIS CAME AS A SHOCK TO US IN OUR SOFTBALL COMMUNITY .

>>'S GOT A STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> SORRY, LESLIE ANDREY 940894 OLD NASSAR ROAD , FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. VICE PRESIDENT OF ELM STREET LITTLE LEAGUE.

>> BEAUTY THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS IS FIRST OFF WE REALIZED A LOT ABOUT OUR FIELD. THERE IS A LOT OF HISTORY OF THAT FIELD, AS WELL. I THINK BOTH ME AND JOHN BOTH WERE A LITTLE TAKEN BACK WHEN WE DID NOT REALIZE THE FIELD WAS GOING WITH ALSO THE SPACE THAT IS BEING MOVED AT YBOR THAT REMOVES FOUR FIELDS. I KNOW LIFE HAPPENS. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY ILL INTENTION BY ANYONE HERE AT PARKS AND REC BUT ME AND JOHN QUICKLY GOT TOGETHER. I SAID HEY WE NEED TO FIND A RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE NEED OUR BALL FIELD BACK AND WE NEED THEM TO FIND A HOME BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO JUST LOSE ONE OF OUR HOMES REALLY QUICK AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M HELPING HIM BECAUSE HE IS OVER HERE HELPING

ME. THAT WASN'T A GOOD OPTION. >> OF COURSE THAT'S EXCELLENT AND I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL, MR. ABBOTT?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE BULLS CLUB.

LESLIE AND I DID HAVE A COFFEE LAST FRIDAY. IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION IS A CLUB TO COMMANDEER AND GRAB INACTIVE USE SPORTS FIELD. WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS OF PARKS AND RECREATION. WE HAD SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE AND THAT WAS THE OPTION THAT THE RESOLUTIONS CENTERED AROUND, JOE FILARDI FIELD. I WILL TELL YOU AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I AGREE WITH LESLIE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I THINK WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO CALM THE SITUATION DOWN AND TO THAT END, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO THIS COMMISSION THAT THE RESOLUTION, THE RECONSIDERATION AND THAT YOU TAKE A STEP BACK, TAKE A BREATH AND ENTERTAIN PERHAPS ONE OR TWO OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE SHOWED YOU PREVIOUSLY IN THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD NAMELY IN CENTRAL PARK AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF THOSE OPTIONS. DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THEM IN DETAIL TONIGHT BUT WE THINK THAT IS THE PROPER PATH. I THINK ALSO THAT IT WOULD BE A CALMING SOLUTION . I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, SOME OF THE VITRIOL THAT HAS BEEN DIRECTED AT OUR CLUB, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT ANYMORE. WE JUST WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ACTUALLY TO THE BENEFIT OF ALL OF OUR NEW SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS IN THE CITY AND CLUBS LIKE OURS THAT FRANKLY REPRESENT A DIFFERENT

GENERATION . >> MR. ABBOTT AND MS. LESLIE THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT AND WE WILLHAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE YOU BOTH COMING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE START WITH THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE STARTING FROM IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT . THANK YOU BOTH. THAT BEING SAID I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IN COMMUNITY TONIGHT. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME WE ARE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS SINCE TWO WEEKS AGO. THE WAY THE SUNSHINE LAW WORKS I JUST SIMPLY CAN'T CALL VICE-MAYOR STURGES. I CAN CALL OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BUT THE FIRST TIME WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IS RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY . THAT IS THE BEAUTY AND EXACTLY

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OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY FROM THIS COMMISSION INTENTIONALLY WENT TO CREATE THIS. I THINK AMONGST STAFF AND JEREMIAH AND THE LIMITED STUFF WE HAVE AND NOW OUR PERMANENT CITY MANAGER THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.

THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I DON'T THINK IT HIT ANYBODY AT THE SAME TIME AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE ATTENDED DISLIKE ANYBODY'S CHILDREN OR ANYBODY'S BALL FIELD SO THE REALITY IS WE CAN PICK OPTION B AND I'M WILLING TO RECONSIDER JUST AS MUCH IS ANYBODY ELSE'S. OR, IF WE WANT TO BACK IT UP A BIT FURTHER AND LET STAFF LOOK AT OTHER PLACES, THERE COULD BE A FEW OTHER WINS. SOME COMMISSIONERS MIGHT NOT THINK THAT THAT THERE COULD BE OPTION B OR THERE COULD BE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR THE CLUBS TO USE HOWEVER THAT MAYBE . IS HELMS STREET AND BABE RUTH WANT TO USE THAT BALL FIELD ACTIVELY, THERE 200 YARDS FROM THAT FIELD THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME I WAS A KID SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT AND VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW MUCH IT GETS USED SO . BUT, I'M WILLING TO RECONSIDER JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY ILL WILL BY ANY COMMISSIONERS. IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK THEY CAN

TAKE THE FLOOR. >> YES. I THINK THIS COMMISSION IS READY TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION THAT WE TAKE VELARDI OUT OF THE INVENTORY AND IT JUST DOESN'T BE DISCUSSED. IT'S A SOFTBALL FIELD, IT'S A BASEBALL FIELD AT A MULTIUSE FIELD AND JUST LEAVE IT THAT WAY, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TOM FINDING A HOME IN CENTRAL PARK AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS BEHIND THAT. IT SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS FROM EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO, WHETHER THEY ARE TOP PLAYERS OR YOUTH SPORTS, THEY WANT TO HAVE A HOME AND THEY ARE DEDICATED TO THAT. I'M WITH THE MAYOR ON POLICY THAT'S GREAT THAT THE COMMUNITY COMES TOGETHER. HOWEVER BEFORE WE START TURNING TO CENTRAL PARK I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO GET IN THE ROOM WITH STAFF BECAUSE WE START TURNING DIRT AT CENTRAL PARK AND FLAG FOOTBALL COMES UP AND SAYS WELL I ACTUALLY PRACTICE THERE, OR TWO, I COACH FOOTBALL OVER THERE WITH THE LATE COACH BRADDOCK. I KNOW THOSE FIELDS GET USED. THEY MAY NOT ANYMORE OR THAT AREA RIGHT THERE SO BEFORE WE START TURNING DIRT I WOULD LIKE THAT VETTED FULLY BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT HOWEVER I AM HERE TO SAY I AM 100% BEHIND THE BALLS CLUB AND FINDING THEM HOME PERMANENTLY WHERE THEY CAN ENJOY THEIR SPORT AND THEY HAVE TWO USES WELL SO IT'S NOT JUST

AN OLDER RETIREE SPORT , SO. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

>> ) TO COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> THE CITY COMMISSION CREATED

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THEY'VE BEEN USED FOR 12 YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECAME A PROBLEM BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE WANTED MORE PARKING FOR THE MARINA. AND SO I WILL ADVOCATE -- I WILL NOT CONSIDER ABANDON VELARDI BUT THE MOST REASONABLE, COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION IS TO LEAVE IT ALONE.

>> I THINK THE KEY HERE IS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE RUSHING TO A HASTY DECISION SO THERE'S NO REASON TO RUSH THIS DECISION THIS EVENING. WE CAN HAVE STAFF PLAN A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM ALL ANGLES SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT EITHER FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE CHARGE STAFF WITH PRESENTING THE OPTION WE WERE DISCUSSING AT CENTRAL PARK WORK COMMISSIONER ROSS' POSITION AND WE CAN GET

COMMUNITY AND STAFF FEEDBACK. >> OF COURSE. LET ME BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW WHAT THIS RECONSIDERATION WOULD DO IS SIMPLY UNDO THE VOTE FROM TWO WEEKS AGO. THAT IS ALL THIS IS DOING. A YES VOTE DOES NOT SELECT A NEW LOCATION. A YES VOTE ON DOES WHAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO SO I WANT TO REASSURE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER ANTUN, IS THAT A YES VOTE IS NOT SETTING IN PLACE. IT IS UNDOING WHAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO.

>> AS I UNDERSTAND RECONSIDERATION, YOU ARE RECONSIDERING THE ACTION ITEM THAT WAS ON THE LAST AGENDA SO IT DOESN'T JUST UNDO . THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, ANYWAY. IT DOES NOT UNDO THE ACTION. IF THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION PASSES THEN THE WAY OUR RULES READ, AND ROBERTS RULES IS THAT SINCE WE DID NOT HAVE TIME TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING THE RECONSIDERATION WOULD BE ON THE TABLE, WHICH MEANS THE RESOLUTION, THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE WHICH IS TO MOVE THE PETANQUE COURTS TO VELARDI FIELD WOULD BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU ON THE FLOOR READY FOR DISCUSSION AND VOTE, SO ONE OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER , YOU

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>> WE CAN VOTE TO RECONSIDER. >> YOU CAN WORK TO RECONSIDER,

YES. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WE COULD NOT HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA

TONIGHT? >> YOU COULD, YES.

>> OKAY, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.

>> THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> THIS ONE IS ALSO FOR YOU, TAMMI, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THE AGENDA ITEM HAD THE OPTION OF CENTRAL PARK OR JOE VELARDI FIELD SO I FEEL LIKE WE ARE MAKING AN EXTRA STEP BY VOTING IT DOWN AND GOING TO ANOTHER MEETING TO HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION. I THINK THE OLD RESOLUTION HAVE

BOTH. >> I DON'T REMEMBER.

>> THAT'S WHY THINK IT WOULD BE SIMPLEST TO GO WITH ONE OF THE OTHER OPTIONS LISTED ON THE OF THE RESOLUTION.

>> YOU COULD DO THAT, TOO, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUY SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK TONIGHT YOU CAN.

>> QUICK, TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER ANTUN JUST POINTED OUT, THE RESOLUTION WE APPROVED LAST MEETING DID HAVE TWO OPTIONS LISTED, ONE BEING CENTRAL PARK AND ONE BEING JOE VELARDI FIELD SO WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO UNDO THE RESOLUTION. WE WOULD HAVE TO PICK A NEW LOCATION. WOULD THAT BE AMENABLE?

>>'S WORK, TOO. >> WE WOULD JUST NOT NEED TO KILL ONE VOTE TO MAKE A NEXT AGENDA ITEM VOTE. WE WOULD BASICALLY BRING THAT BACK UP OF WE HAD RECONSIDERATION NOW THAN AT THE NEXT MEETING IF THE MAJORITY WAS IN FAVOR WE WOULD

MAKE THAT MOVE TO CENTRAL PARK. >> SO WHAT I'M HEARING EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER ANTUN IS SAYING. FOLKS, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE BEFORE YOU AS A MOVE TO RECONSIDER AND WHAT THAT WILL DO IS BRING BACK WHAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AGO WILL COME BEFORE US ONCE AGAIN FOR OUR CONSIDERATION AND YOU CAN DO IT AGAIN. IF YOU COULD DO IT OVER WE WOULD PROBABLY PICK CENTRAL PARK, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.

>> JUST FOR YOUR THOUGHTS, IS TWO WEEKS AND AT TIME?

>> ALONG THE SAME LINES, IS TWO WEEKS ENOUGH TIME TO GET EVERYONE ? IS THAT ENOUGH TIME TO GET A HOLD OF FLY FOOTBALL, TACKLE FOOTBALL, TO GET A HOLD OF LACROSSE BECAUSE LACROSSE USES THAT SPACE. THOSE ARE ALL QUESTIONS I WOULD NEED ANSWERED AND IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN I CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH CENTRAL PARK AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE SAME POSITION AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS WHERE WE DECIDE IT'S GOING TO CENTRAL PARK AND THEN THERE IS ANOTHER ISSUE OR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW , GROUP THAT SAYS NO, WE CAN'T HAVE IT THERE. I NEED ASSURANCES THAT THIS IS , WHEN WE START TURNING THAT. UP, IT IS PERMANENT AND THERE.

>> YES, WE CAN'T ASSURE THERE WON'T BE BACKLASH ONCE WE START TAKING ACTION. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING INTEREST FOR OR RECREATIONAL FIELDS AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN TO EXHAUST THOSE RESOURCES AS YOU INQUIRED BEFORE, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, WE DO HAVE STANDARD OPERATING POLICY ABOUT THE USE OF THOSE FIELDS ALONG WITH THOSE WHO USE THEM. I WILL SEGUE TO DIRECTOR MICKELSON HERE BUT TWO WEEKS IS TOUGH BUT WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THAT WORK IN TOUCH ALL THOSE THAT WILL BE USING THESE FACILITIES RECOGNIZING THAT THE USE OF THESE FACILITIES IS NOT ALWAYS CONVEYED TO THE FACILITY.

GROUPS WILL GET TOGETHER AND GO OUT AND USE THE OPEN MULTI-USE SPACE FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED AND THERE WILL BE PROGRAMS AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW SO WE ONLY KNOW WHAT IS ORGANIZED AND ORCHESTRATED WITH THE CITY, SO I WILL DEFER TO MR. MICKELSON WHO CAN TELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR POLICY THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT.

>> SCOTT MICHELSON, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. I THINK

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>> DESCRIBED THE SOP A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.

>> THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE IN THIS IS SOMETHING WE PUT TOGETHER WITH HER FORMER DIRECTOR, IS BASICALLY WHO IS USING ALL OF OUR FIELDS? HOW DO WE SCHEDULE ALL OF OUR FIELDS? WHO HAS PRIORITY USAGE? WE HAVE MULTIPLE USE FOR YOUTH SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT GOES LEVEL BY LEVEL. WE HAVE INSTRUCTORS THAT DO 80-20 SPORTS. TRAVEL BALL HAS BECOME VERY BIG ESPECIALLY IN BASEBALL ORGANIZATION SO WE GIVE IT TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE REGISTERED , 501(C)(3), NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, AND THAT IS WHO THESE FIELDS ARE MAINLY FOR AND THEN ALL THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME IN TO USE OUR SPORTS FIELDS HAVE TO WORK AROUND WHEN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE PRIORITY USAGE DURING THE SEASONS.

>> SO WE RECOGNIZED, AND THIS WAS LAST YEAR , WE RECOGNIZE LAST YEAR THAT SPACE WAS STARTING TO GET TIGHT WHEN WE GET TOGETHER AND WE DECIDED, LET'S START FINDING A WAY SO THAT TEAMS AREN'T COMPETING IN THE HAVE PRIORITY LIKE FALL BALL BUT DURING THE SPRING BASEBALL NEEDS TO HAVE MORE OF IT AND THAT WAS THE GENERAL CONVERSATION. I KNOW THAT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE VIEW BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED LAST

YEAR. >> IT DID HAPPEN AND EVERY YOUTH SPORT ORGANIZATION SIGNED OFF ON THAT WHEN THEY SIGNED THE CONTRACT. YEAH, FIELD USAGE IS A PREMIUM AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON SCHEDULING AND I APPRECIATE JEREMIAH ACTUALLY REACHING OUT TO THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR AT THE HIGH SCHOOL , AND ARE THOSE OPTIONS TO USE THOSE FIELDS IN DEVELOPING A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND ALSO ACROSS THE STREET FROM CENTRAL PARK IN

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>> THANK YOU, SCOTT. APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER ROSS. GO

AHEAD. >> WE ALL LIVE ON A BARRIER ISLAND AND WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE NOW IS SAYING LET'S TAKE WE HAVE LIMITED SPACE. I'VE JUST HEARD ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT HOW THERE IS COMPETITION FOR THIS OPEN SPACE AND THE SCREEN SPACE AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO TAKE GREEN SPACE AND PUT PETANQUE COURTS THERE THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO IS PUT PICKLEBALL. WE NEED TO LEAVE OR GREEN SPACE. WE NEED TO LEAVE OUR OPEN SPACE AND WE ALREADY HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THIS. THE SOLUTION IS LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS BUT I'M NOT HEARING THAT FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR WHATEVER REASON. I DON'T KNOW WHY. WE NEED TO LEAVE OUR OPEN SPACE. I HAVE CAMPAIGNED. I'VE SAID THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND YOU GO OUT THERE AND SEE CONES WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO. IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY AND KIDS PLAY FRISBEE THERE. KIDS DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS. PEOPLE USE IT . IT IS AN OPEN SPACE AND IT SHOULD STAY THAT WAY. WE HAVE A SOLUTION BUT WE ARE IGNORING IT AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHY, THANK YOU SO I WILL NOT MOVE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE WE'VE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT MAKES ANY SENSE .

>> THANK YOU, MR. ROSS. I WANT TO -- I WON'T PUT ANY CARTS BEFORE ANY HORSES ON THIS BUT WHAT I WILL SAY RIGHT NOW AGAIN WHAT THIS VOTE IS, IS THIS VOTE SIMPLY UNDOES THE PREVIOUS VOTE. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS DOING. ALL THIS IS GOING TO DO IS SIMPLY TAKE AWAY THE PREVIOUS VOTE THAT PUT IT AT VELARDI FIELD. I WANT TO MAKE TWO THINGS CLEAR ABOUT THE CENTRAL PARK OPTION. I, TOO, WALKED OUT THERE. I SAW THE CONES. THERE IS A CONFIGURATION AND THIS IS SOMETHING TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE COME OUT OF CENTRAL PARK, THERE IS A CONFIGURATION THAT KEEPS US IN WHAT I WOULD NOT CALL THE GREEN SPACE BUT WHAT I WOULD CALL THE BROWN SPACE. THE GRASS DOES NOT GO -- GROW AS WELL. THERE IS A WAY WE COULD DO IT THAT DOES NOT IMPACT TREES, THAT KEEPS OUR OPEN SPACE TOGETHER AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPTION, ONE THAT UNIFIES THE EXISTING PETANQUE COURTS WITH THIS NEW ADDITION. IT'S A BIG WIN AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE . TONIGHT, A YES VOTE SIMPLY UNDOES THE VELARDI FIELD PLAN. BEFORE WE DO THAT VOTE WE DO HAVE SOME REQUESTS TO SPEAK THAT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS SO FOLKS, WE ARE WELCOME ANY COMMENTS AND I HOPE TO HEAR ANYONE WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD. KEEP IN MIND, IT LOOKS LIKE -- I'M NOT ONE TO COUNT VOTES BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE WILL HAVE 4-1 TO UNDO THIS BASED ON RIGHT NOW BUT I AGAIN I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM EVERYBODY . LET'S START WITH SOMEONE I THINK HAS A VERY SPECIAL INTEREST IN THERE, MISS LINDA VELARDI. UNWELCOME, MISSED VELARDI.

>> I MADE COPIES OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS LINDA TRUMP. NO RELATION. BUT, MY NAME USED TO BE LINDA VELARDI AND IT'S A

VERY CLOSE RELATION . >> YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> 214 NORTH 78TH STREET. MY FATHER IS JOE VELARDI. I AM HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY OF JOE VELARDI FIELD AND THE LEGACY OF MY FATHER . I BROUGHT WITH ME A FRAMED ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM IN THE FERNANDINA BEACH NEWSLETTER IN THE EARLY 1970S , WHICH I'M HAPPY TO SHARE WITH ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO READ ALL THE DETAILS OF HOW JOE VELARDI FIELD CAME TO BE

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HE WAS A MAN WITH TWO VERY STRONG PASSIONS IN LIFE. KIDS IN BASEBALL. AND, HE REALIZED THAT FERNANDINA HAD NO ORGANIZED BASEBALL FOR KIDS. HE WAS DETERMINED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AS A MEMBER OF THE JAYCEES AND WITH MANY OTHER PROMINENT CITIZENS OF FERNANDINA, HE SAID ABOUT MAKING HISTORY AND REALITY. IT TOOK LONG HOURS OF HARD WORK AND ALMOST THREE YEARS, BUT IN 1956, THE FIRST LITTLE LEAGUE TEAMS PLAYED THEIR GAMES AT CITY BALLPARK AND THOSE ARE THE FOUR TEAMS RIGHT THERE AND IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO COME LOOK AT THIS ARTICLE YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.

MR. STURGIS, WHAT WAS YOUR DAD'S NAME?

>> KENNETH. >> IS IN HERE.

>> MR. STURGIS' DAD IS PICTURED IN THIS . THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER NAMES IN THESE ARTICLES THAT YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE. ANYWAY BACK TO IT, MY FATHER'S PHILOSOPHY ABOUT LITTLE LEAGUE IS REFLECTED IN A QUOTE FROM HIM DURING THOSE BUILDING YEARS. LITTLE LEAGUE IS DESIGNED TO HELP INSTILL A SPIRIT OF COMPETITION, FEEL FOR FAIR PLAY AND RESPECT FOR DISCIPLINE AND THE MEANING OF TEAMWORK AND THE LOVE OF BASEBALL. OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS THE LITTLE LEAGUE PROGRAM GREW. IN 1959, THE LAND BEHIND THE REC CENTER IN COOPERATION WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB WAS DONATED TO BE THERE OFFICIAL PARK. SADLY, THIS WAS MY FATHER'S LAST YEAR WITH HIS BELOVED LITTLE LEAGUE. IN OCTOBER, HE GOT SICK AND ENTERED THE HOSPITAL. HE DIED IN FEBRUARY 1960. HE WAS 33 YEARS OLD. HE LEFT A DREAM FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF OUR TOWN AND A LOT OF FRIENDS TO SEE THAT DREAM SURVIVE. ON MAY 23RD, 1960, CITY OFFICIALS DEDICATED THE LITTLE LEAGUE PARK AS JOE VELARDI FIELD. THIS MEMORIAL IS A CONTINUING TRIBUTE TO A MAN TAKEN IN HIS PRIME. HIS LEGACY WAS A LOVE OF ALL KIDS, INCLUDING HIS OWN FOUR CHILDREN AND HIS LOVE OF BASEBALL. PLEASE COME READ THE ARTICLE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS MEETING. YOU MAY RECOGNIZE MANY OF THE NAMES OF LONGTIME CITIZENS OF FERNANDINA WHO ARE INTO INSTRUMENTAL IN KEEPING MY FATHER'S VISION ALIVE. FOR EXAMPLE, RED BEAN, THE GRANDFATHER OF OUR MAYOR, THE GRANDFATHER OF OUR SHERIFF, JAKE BARCH, WAYNE DOTSON, DR. BILL RUTHERFORD AND MANY MORE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. WHILE I RESPECT THE NEED FOR A PLACE FOR ANY AND ALL UP-AND-COMING SPORTS INCLUDING PETANQUE AND PICKLEBALL , FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SHOULD NOT REPLACE THE LEGACY OF MY FATHER IN BASEBALL AT JOE

VELARDI FIELD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MISSED VELARDI, FOR BRINGING HISTORY TO THE CHAMBER. WE WELCOME MR. DOUG BOESE TO COME ON DOWN. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> DOUG BOESE 631 FERNANDINA BEACH. I AM A PETANQUE PLAYER. I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL APOLOGIES TO ALL THE SOFTBALL PLAYERS HERE THAT YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NEVER AN INTENT TO STEAL A FIELD FROM ANYONE, ESPECIALLY IN THE STRESS THAT YOU HAD THIS WEEK BUT ON THE PLUS SIDE, IT WAS VERY NICE TO MEET YOU AND GET TO KNOW YOU A LITTLE BIT AND I HOPE THAT PERHAPS SOME OF THE SOFTBALL PLAYERS MIGHT COME OUT AND PLAY PETANQUE WITH US SO WE CAN START A JUNIOR LEAGUE HERE SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE DO HAVE TWO OF OUR MEMBERS THAT ARE JUNIOR PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO THE NATIONAL TOURNAMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP NEXT YEAR REPRESENTING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AS THE SOLE TEAM FROM THE UNITED STATES, SO THAT'S COOL. I JUST WANTED TO ALSO SAY THAT MY PERSONAL SENTIMENT IS THAT I AGREE WITH CHIP THAT WE SHOULD LEAVE THE

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>> WE MET WELCOME MAYOR PHIL COUGHED TO THE PODIUM.

>> HELLO, 845 TARPON AVENUE. I KNOW DECISION-MAKING IS NOT EASY AND I HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU SIT AND IT'S EVEN HARDER WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE INFORMATION TO MAKE YOUR DECISION FROM WAR WITH. SO, WHAT IS HAPPENING, I THINK, IN A LOT OF PLACES IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE PICTURE. I THINK THAT IF YOU HAD HAD THE INFORMATION IN 2011 I BELIEVE IT WAS AS MAYOR I SIGNED A RESOLUTION DEDICATING VELARDI TO GIRLS SOFTBALL. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE , THAT CHANGED, TOO AND YET YOU WERE NOT AWARE OF THAT , AND NEITHER WAS I AND I HAD SIGNED THAT RESOLUTION , SO THAT IS KIND OF A PROBLEM. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IS HAPPENING IS BECAUSE FOR SO LONG WE HAVE NOT HAD STRATEGIC, BIG PICTURE THINKING IN THE CITY SO WE'VE HAD TACTICAL DECISIONS BEEN MADE OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND WE'VE HAD TACTICAL DECISIONS BEING REWARDED BY A CITY MANAGER FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, SO YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT TODAY AND YOU GET THAT DONE NOT THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S RIGHT TWO , FOUR, FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD SO I THINK THAT IF WE COULD LET THIS COLLABORATIVE GROUP THAT HAS GOTTEN STARTED THROUGH ADVERSITY WORK TOGETHER WITH THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON A PLAN YOU KNOW , I'M HOPING THAT OUR PRIOR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC -- I DID NOT KNOW THE LADY WILL AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE DID BUT I KNOW SHE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY. HOPEFULLY, SHE DOCUMENTED WHAT THE CITY SAID THEY NEED. HOPEFULLY WE KNOW WHAT ALL THOSE SPORTS GROUPS ARE. DO WE FOR REAL? I MEAN, LACROSSE JUST POPPED OUT OUT OF THE BLUE LAST YEAR, WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT. SOCCER WE NOW HAVE PEOPLE MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER IF WE WERE THE ONES MOVING AND DOING IT WITH A STRATEGIC VIEW OF THE WORLD , WHAT DO I IMPACT IF I MOVE THAT, HOW DO I KNOW WHAT I AM PACK? IF YOU HAVE A STRATEGIC THINKER IN THE CITY MANAGER SEAT SO THIS IS A DOUBLE WHAMMY FOR YOU. IF YOU HIRE A STRATEGIC THINKER IN THE CITY MANAGER SEAT, THEY WILL MANDATE THAT THERE DEPARTMENT HEADS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY WILL MANDATE THAT THEY HAVE IN INVENTORY, THAT THEY KNOW WHAT CHANGES ARE COMING, SO I AM PUTTING IN A PLUG FOR TWO THINGS. ONE IS WHAT THIS COLLABORATIVE GROUP WORK THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY, GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME. DON'T GIVE THEM FOREVER. GIVE THEM A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF IT, I'M SORRY, AND THE OTHER THING IS PLEASE

GET A STRATEGIC THINKER. >> THANK YOU.

>> PRESIDENT JOHN ABBOTT OF THE PETANQUE PEOPLE.

>> ROBERT E LEE'S. COME ON DOWN.

>> ROBERT E BLUE . I WAS COMING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE GIRLS

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BEEN HIT. THANK YOU. >> AS THAT WERE THE BIKE TRAIL

IS GOING? >> YES, SIR, THAT IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS TOUTED FOR THE NEW BIKE TRAIL AND WE ARE LOOKING AT INTERACTING WITH THAT TRACK THAT IS GOING IN.

>> JUST SO YOU KNOW COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. WE ARE BUILDING A NEW BIKE TRAIL RIGHT THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THAT AND THAT WILL HELP WITH WHAT YOU

ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> EVERYONE IS SEEING IMPROVEMENTS TO BEECH STREET RIGHT THERE. THAT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT OUR DOWNTOWN TRAIL . IT IS AN OPTION TO BRING THAT TRAIL IN PLACE WHICH WILL ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS

YOU ARE REFERENCING. >> THANK YOU.

>> FINALLY , CHIEF, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE SPEED OVER ON GUM STREET. COULD YOU HAVE AN OFFICER THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS LOOK AT SPEED? THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S CALL IT MR. IVEY TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

>> 9579 RAINTREE LANE. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF ELM STREET LITTLE LEAGUE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR DECISION THAT YOU ARE MAKING TONIGHT OF HAVING TO RECONSIDER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT VELARDI WILL NOT BE TOUCHED. YOU SEE THESE GIRLS HERE. THIS IS JUST PART OF WHAT I HAVE. THE LITTLE KIDS THAT LEFT EARLIER BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF NOISE, THOSE ARE MY FUTURE BALLPLAYERS. I NEED SOMEPLACE FOR THEM I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. I HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT HERE. I KNOW LIKE I HAVE BANNERS FROM A LOT OF COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT SUPPORT ELM STREET LITTLE LEAGUE. AND YOU KNOW, WE USE THE FIELDS. WE ONLY HAVE TWO FIELDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING OUR FIELDS REDONE BUT HAVING TWO FIELDS -- WE HAVE TO USE JOE VELARDI FOR PRACTICE. YBOR IS KIND OF OUT OF THE EQUATION. I UNDERSTAND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT A LITTLE THIS FALL BUT IT WILL BE OUT OF THE EQUATION WE ARE ONLY GROWING. WE HAVE THE GIRLS HERE. T-BALL IS COED. WE ARE STARTING A CHALLENGER LEAGUE THIS YEAR FOR INDIVIDUALS -- WHAT'S THE EDGE? 4 TO 18. AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN SCHOOL, FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE HANDICAPPED INDIVIDUALS OR NEED ASSISTANCE.

I HAVE USUALLY BALLPARK OUT HERE TONIGHT STANDING UP FOR US BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE NEED WHAT WE HAVE AND THEY KNOW WHAT WE CAN HAVE AND IF WE HAVE THE FIELDS TO BE ABLE TO PRACTICE MORE OR YOU KNOW, HAVE THE GAMES, WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOMETHING. I MEAN, OUR GIRLS PUT THEIR HEART INTO THIS GAME AND THIS IS OUR FUTURE RIGHT HERE.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. >> THANK YOU.

>> LESLIE EMBRY 9408 94 , FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. I'VE BEEN A PART OF THIS ORGANIZATION. I'VE WATCHED.

I'VE GOT SOME TEENAGERS. I HAVE WATCHED SOME KIDS GRADUATE AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL THIS YEAR FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS. I KNOW YOUR JOBS ARE NOT EASY. I HAVE SAT DOWN WITH THE MAJORITY OF YOU GUYS AND EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS OVER THE YEARS OF US

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PEOPLE CALL IT BEHIND THE SCENES. EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL OUR COMMISSION. EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS ROOM HAVE A RIGHT AND WE HAVE A VOICE AS A CITIZEN OF THIS TOWN IN THIS COMMUNITY. UNDERSTAND THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS WE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET FAA FIELD AND HOLD ONTO IT SO OUR KIDS DIDN'T LOSE IT IN THIS COMMUNITY. I WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS I AM EXTREMELY PROUD BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN OUR CITY AND OUR COUNTY COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER TO BUY PART OF THAT AND WE DID NOT LOSE ALL OF THOSE FIELDS, IT'S INCREDIBLY EXCITING FOR ME TO SEE. THE PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE GOING WITH HICKORY, THANK YOU.

YOU GUYS, WE MAY HAVE THIS NEGATIVE RIGHT HERE BUT HONESTLY IT'S VERY POSITIVE AND I AM EXTREMELY BLESSED AND I'VE SEEN THIS MOVE ON WITH THIS COMMISSION AND OUR COUNTY COMMISSION AND REGARDLESS OF OF ANYTHING BEHIND THE SCENES IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY AMAZING TO WATCH . THE FIRST TIME I'VE WATCHED IN A REALLY LONG TIME BE PUT PART OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE MAKING SURE IT HAS HAPPENED SO IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING ON COMPARATIVELY TO SEVEN YEARS AGO WHEN I SAT DOWN AND STARTED THIS CONVERSATION , I AM EXCITED AND AM EXCITED TO SEE THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THESE KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND TONIGHT WAS A BIG PART OF IT BECAUSE I KNEW THAT WAS A MISTAKE. I KNEW NO ONE WAS TRYING TO TAKE THESE BABIES' FIELD AND REMINDS ME A LOT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR DADDY AND DON'T SCREW WITH THE BABIES, I AM A MAMA BEAR AND SOMETIMES I SEE A LOT OF THINGS I SHOULDN'T BUT THANK YOU GUYS. JUST A REMINDER YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB KEEP WORKING WITH THE COUNTY BRING THE MONEY AND BECAUSE WE DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF US ARE COUNTY KIDS AND WE ARE OKAY

WORKING TOGETHER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MR. MAC

MORRIS. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MAC MORRIS A 21 PARK VIEW. I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING REAL BRIEF . JEREMIAH AND ANDRE AND THE OTHER CITY STAFF IN MY OPINION ARE BLESSED TO HAVE HIM AS A LEADER AND A MENTOR. HE WAS A MAN THAT WAS EASY TO RESPECT AND LIKE AND THE CITY TOOK A BIG HIT WITH HIS PASSING. HE GOT A LOT DONE UNDER HIS TENURE. SORRY. I SPENT SOME TIME TALKING WITH CHARLIE ABOUT PLANS FOR THE CITY THAT WERE WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY, COUNTY, EVEN OUR TOURISTS AND HE HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS AND I HOPE WE CAN KEEP THOSE IDEAS GOING. NOW, VELARDI FIELD, I APPLAUD THE COMMISSION FOR MAKING THE DECISION TO LOOK AT OPTION B THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AND TO SECOND WHAT LESLIE SAID, WELL DONE GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY. HOW MANY DECADES HAVE WE BEEN HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH THE COUNTY, SO WELL DONE WITH THAT. YOU ALL DESERVE KUDOS FOR THAT. THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN EASY TO ACCOMPLISH. WE DID LOSE FOUR FIELDS , PLAYING FIELDS FOR OUR YOUTH, SO KEEPING JOE VELARDI IS FINAL. MR. MAYOR, I DO HAVE EXCEPTION WITH SOMETHING THE COMMISSIONER SAID. IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS BLAMING CITY TAXPAYERS FOR CREATING THIS BROUHAHA , YOU KNOW, AND WANTING TO KEEP PETANQUE DOWN TO THE WATERFRONT. THIS ALL STARTED WHEN THE PLAN FOR THE WATERFRONT WAS PUSHED OUT AND WE WERE LOSING EVEN MORE PARKING SO WE WANTED TO RECLAIM WHAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO NEED IN 10, 15, 20 YEARS, BUT LESLIE ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU, SHE GOT ME TOGETHER WITH JOHN ABBOTT AND WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION. I AM 100% BEHIND THEIR PLANS FOR THE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK THAT GIVES THEM THE VISIBILITY THEY WANTED TO PROMOTE THEIR SPORT. IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO DOWNTOWN. I AM 100% ABOUT KEEPING THE INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT AT THE WATERFRONT BUT IT ONLY MAKES SENSE DOING THAT IF WE DON'T CROSS OVER WHERE THAT AREA IS

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JUST LEAVE IT GREAT THE WAY IT IS NOW AND USE THAT FOR THE PETANQUE CROWD AND THAT IS NOT IN VIOLATION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE CITY PARKING LOTS C AND D. IT IS NOT A CITY PARK. IT IS A PARKING LOT SO IT FALLS WITHIN LAND DEVELOPMENT . IF YOU ARE TAKING THAT ONE LINE AND THEY'RE OUT OF CONTEXT AND IT IS A VIOLATION BUT OTHERWISE IT'S NOT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WELL DONE, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAX. >> MR. PETE STEPHENSON,, NOW,

SIR. >> PETE STEPHENSON , FERNANDINA BEACH. I HAVE HAD THE WORD COMPROMISE IN HERE TONIGHT. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY WITH A NEGATIVE. I HEARD EVERYBODY TRYING TO COME UP WITH A POSITIVE SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CASE WHERE IT SAYS COMPROMISE CAN WORK. I'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE GONE ON IN DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. MAYBE THE COMPROMISE IS LEAVE PETANQUE WHERE IT IS. STRATEGICALLY YOU CAN STILL PLAN IT OUT BUT YOU HAD IT IN A PLAN. WE COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WATERFRONT AS IT IS WITH THE PARK THERE . WE HAVE NOW TAKEN PRESSURE OFF A LOT OF PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE HAS EVEN MENTIONED. WE PUSH ON THE BALLOON HERE IT MAY POP UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. LET'S TAKE THE TIME TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH MIGHT BE 12 MONTHS BUT THINK ABOUT A COMPROMISE SETTLEMENT THAT SAYS LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE PARK. DON'T WANT TO STOP IT BUT LET'S LEAVE PETANQUE WHERE IT IS AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE EVERYBODY FOR YOUR ATTEMPT BUT I THINK YOUR ACTION TO GET THE SOLUTION ACCEPTABLE TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> MISS KAYLA AND ANDRE. PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> STREET FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW AND WE USED TO PRACTICE AT BAILEY FIELDS A LOT AND WE GOT RID OF BAILEY FIELDS SO NOW WE HAVE AT LEAST FOUR TEAMS AND WE ARE GOING TO NEED SOMEONE TO PRACTICE. IT IS NOT LIKE OH, WE CAN SQUEEZE FOUR TEAMS ONTO TWO FIELDS. IT'S NOT EASY AND WE ALSO HAVE GAMES AND ONLY ONE OF OUR FIELDS HAS A DECK OUT SO WE CANNOT PLAY TWO GAMES OF TIME AND WE CAN'T PRACTICE SO IT IS JUST KIND OF HARD TO CONTINUE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE HAVE. LIKE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT PLAY FOR ELM STREET SO WHENEVER WE ONLY HAVE TWO FIELD IT IS KIND OF HARD TO KEEP EXPANDING SO VELARDI FIELD IS LIKE VERY LIKE WE USE IT . WHEN I FIRST STARTED PLAYING WE USED TO USE THAT A LOT, TOO LIKE WHENEVER I FIRST STARTED PLATING -- PLAYING WE USED VELARDI FIELD A LOT. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT USED. WE JUST LOST FOUR FIELDS. WE ARE GOING TO NEED SOMEWHERE TO PRACTICE.

>> SAID, THANK YOU. MR. ROBBIE MULLET. IT WAS SMEARED AT THE

END. >> I AM ONE OF THE COACHES OF THESE LADIES HERE . MOST OF THEM HERE PLAY WITH ME OR FOR ME AT SOME POINT . I JUST SAW ONE OF THEM JUST GOT UP. THESE ARE LIKE OUR FUTURE LEADERS YOU KNOW. MANY OF THESE GIRLS WOULD GET UP HERE. AT LEAST TODAY THEY ARE SEEN KIND OF HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS A LITTLE BIT ESPECIALLY IN OUR CITY, STANDING UP FOR THINGS THEY BELIEVE IN AND WANT SO FIRST OFF I WANT TO SAY PETANQUE . I KNOW WE HAD A LITTLE NEWS STORY THAT ALSO WENT OUT ABOUT IT AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT 30 MINUTES OF A SALLE IN HER HEART OUT THERE ABOUT SOFTBALL GOT CHUNKED INTO 30 SECONDS AND WHAT IT DID SAY , WHAT WE ALSO

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>> COACH, I'VE GOT GOOD NEWS WITH YOU . WE ARE PRACTICING WITH THIS -- PARTNERING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD TO PUT A FIELD IN THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE A SQUARE, RECTANGLE FIELD.

>> I UNDERSTAND. INSTEAD OF LOSING OUR GREEN AND CENTRAL PARK MAYBE THAT'S AN OPTION THERE. YOU CAN STILL MAINTAIN FOR PARKING AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A GRAVEL FIELD IF YOU NEED TO USE IT FOR PARKING YOU STILL COULD. AND SOME OF THESE THOUGHTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY GOING UP.

>> THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, SIR.

>> MS. ROSE IVEY. WELCOME. >> MY NAME IS ROSE IVEY. I LIVE AT RAINTREE LANE. WITH THIS AS EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE FIELDS AND MOST OF THEM ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FIELDS AND NOT THE KIDS BECAUSE MOST OF THE KIDS HAVE BEEN PLAYING HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME AND WITHOUT THESE FIELDS IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THESE KIDS TO PLAY AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS NOW AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF GIRLS GET OUT THERE, PLAY AS HARD AS THEY CAN, INCLUDING T-BALL. THOSE KIDS OUT THERE ARE OUR FUTURE, OUR LIVES, AND THEY ARE GOING TO GROW UP TO BE WITH ELM STREET AND ALL THE OTHER FIELDS OUT THERE AND WITH THESE GIRLS, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THEM DON'T , THAT WE NEED TO GET THE FIELDS, THAT WAY WE CAN PRACTICE, BECAUSE WITHOUT THESE FIELDS IT'S REALLY HARD FOR THE GIRLS TO GET OUT THERE TO PLAY BECAUSE SOME OF THE YOUNGER KIDS DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE THEY AREN'T HERE WITH US CURRENTLY BUT THEY ALSO HAVE LIVES OUT THERE THAT NEED TO PLAY. THEY WANT TO PLAY FOR US AND THEY WANT TO PLAY WITH US AND THE SPORTSMANSHIP OF ALL THE GIRLS OUT THERE GETTING DOWN AND DIRTY . THEY JUST LOVE PLAYING OUT THERE IN THE PRACTICE FIELDS, WE NEED THOSE BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM IT IS REALLY HARD . LIKE THEY SAID LIKE AROUND FOUR TEAMS INTO TWO FIELDS.

>> THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU, MISS IVEY. MR. THOMAS KANE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. KANE. YOU WANT TO SAY YOU ARE FOR

SOMETHING? >> I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS RELATIVE TO DESTROYING GREEN SPACE AND

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IRONICALLY IT GOT EDGED OUT IN THE 24 OLYMPICS BY SKATEBOARDING. ISN'T THAT INTERESTING? SO FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT IT'S A GAME IT REALLY IS A SPORT WHERE PEOPLE EXCEL SO I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT CIVILITY AND I HOPE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OUR GROUP HAS BEEN CHARACTERIZED ON THIS BUT I AM AN ARROGANT , ENTITLED RICH RETIRED BUZZARD YANKEE. I THINK THAT'S WHO I AM AND SO YOU ASK THE KEYBOARD WARRIORS TO KIND OF SLOW DOWN AND SEEK TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE BEING UNDERSTOOD PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO WE ARE OR WHAT IT IS WE DO, WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS IN THE FERNANDINA SCHOOL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. I'M A GRANDFATHER. I HAVE RAISED KIDS SO WE RESPECT YOUTH. WE ARE NOT SOME EXTRAS FROM THE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHES OR YOU KNOW, THE WALKING DEAD. WE RESPECT THE YOUTH AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM COME OUT AND

JOIN THE CLUB SO THANKS. >> FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP SKATEBOARDING I WILL CALL DOWN WALLY BARRERA

THIS TIME. >> WALTER MARLBOROUGH .

FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE KIDS FOR COMING OUT. IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU THAT WE ARE OUT HERE TODAY AND I AM SO GLAD THAT WE EDGED OUT PETANQUE. WE WOULD'VE NEVER HAD A YOUNG LADY REPRESENT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM FERNANDINA IN THE OLYMPICS THIS YEAR JUST GETTING BACK LAST WEEKEND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS ATTENDED THAT BEAUTIFUL PARADE FOR HER AND THE BEAUTIFUL OPENING OF THE NEW SKATE PARK SO THAT IS NOT WHAT I CAME UP HERE TO SAY. I USED TO COACH SOFTBALL A LONG TIME AGO. MY DAUGHTER IS GOING TO BE 40 YEARS OLD THIS YEAR. I COACHED HER FROM A SMALL AGE TO ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS IN HER TEENS IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA AND I KNOW WHAT THAT SPORT IS LIKE IN THE DEDICATION YOU GIRLS PUT INTO IT IS AMAZING AND IT IS COMMENDABLE AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OUT TONIGHT. IT REALLY MEANS A LOT FOR YOU GUYS TO SIT HERE WHEN YOU COULD BE PLAYING ROADBLOCKS OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU GUYS DO BUT IT REALLY IS GOOD

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>> SHEILA COKIE 1553 INDIGO STREET. I SET UP HERE BEFORE I DID NOT VOTE IN MY CHAIR OF PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID NOT VOTE TO SUPPORT MOVING THE PETANQUE FIELDS FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT REASONS. I DO FEEL SOME GREAT CONCERN THAT WE ARE MOVING TOO FAST ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND NOT INCLUDING THE APPROPRIATE STAKEHOLDERS. THAT IS WHY HE VOLUNTEERED TO ABOUT SOMETHING GOING ON AFTER THE FACT AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH STAKEHOLDERS. I WOULD SUGGEST FOR THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE EACH MEMBER COULD HAVE A LIAISON WITH ONE OF THESE LARGER ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM WHEN THINGS HAPPEN. PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT ABOUT THINGS AFTER THEY'RE DONE AND THAT IS EXPENSIVE. IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ALL OF YOU AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE NOT LIKED WHAT I'VE SEEN THIS WEEK WITH PEOPLE PITTING PETANQUE AGAINST YOUTH SPORTS AND THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON WERE NOT VERY NICE SO I WAS GLAD WHEN LESLIE SAID THAT THERE WAS A SOLUTION THAT THEY HAD WORKED OUT WITH THEMSELVES. I DID SUPPORT MOVING PETANQUE TO CENTRAL PARK. I STILL DO THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA BUT I WOULD LIKE FURTHER COMMUNICATION FROM PARKS AND REC BECAUSE INITIALLY WHEN IT WAS SAID TO ME THAT IT CAN HAPPEN TO CENTRAL PARK BECAUSE OF THE TREES, OUR ARBORIST MADE SOME DECISIONS SO AGAIN I WENT -- MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT COULD NOT BE DONE THERE , THAT THE COURTS WOULD HAVE A SOIL COMPACTION THAT WOULD IMPACT THOSE TREES SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS THAT NOW NOT A CONCERN? AND, I WANT TO HAVE US REALLY LOOKING AT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIKE NOT JUST TODAY, NOT FIVE MINUTES FROM NOW BUT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY GROWING THESE SPORTS GROUPS. WE HAVE FINITE RESOURCES. WHAT IS THE PLAN AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING THAT IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COMMISSION TO ENCOURAGE THAT FOR OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF THAT. THANK YOU.

>> MR. THAD JOHNSON, COME ON DOWN, SIR.

>> YOU HAD TO LEAVE WITH HIS KIDS.

>> THIS CASE AND ZELENSKYY, COME ON DOWN.

>> HELLO, CASE AND ZELENSKYY 302 SOUTH 18TH STREET, ALSO ELM STREET BOARD. I DON'T NEED TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU OFF WHERE I WAS SITTING WEEK AGO I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH THAT AFFECTED ALL OF US, HOW SACRED THAT PLACES .

ALSO I WANT TO CORRECT, WE DO HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS BUT IT IS REALLY EIGHT TEAMS AND ALL COMPACTED INTO BALL SEASONS, SO THE FIELD SPACE IS NOT REALLY -- CAN'T REALLY BE SHARED BY THE SCHOOLS OR BABE RUTH BECAUSE THERE ARE GAMES AND IT'S REALLY NOT FUN PLAYING GAMES WITH THEIR PRACTICE SO I AM JUST GRATEFUL YOU TOOK THE TIME TO REVISIT THIS. I REMEMBER BEING A YOUNG ONE HERE WHENEVER SUPER WALMART WAS AN OPTION FOR THE ISLAND AND LUCKILY WE PRESERVED OUR LITTLE WALMART AND KEPT IT THE QUAINT JEWEL THAT IT IS AND I

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TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT IS ALL THE REQUEST I HAVE TO SPEAK ON THIS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD WANT TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON THE VELARDI FIELDS, ANYBODY ELSE TONIGHT WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN THAT WANTS TO JUMP IN? WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR AND I'M TECHNICALLY NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS. WE

HAVE A SECOND ALREADY. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM FROM COMMISSIONER AYSCUE AND COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> WE ARE GOING TO RESTATE THE THING BUT BEFORE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENT. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO

COMMENT? >> I'M NOT OPPOSED TO RECONSIDERING IN CASE WE RECONSIDER ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE SO MOVE TO RECONSIDER SO WE ARE SIMPLY VOTING TO RECONSIDER SO WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN?

>> THE RECONSIDERATION VOTE UNDOES THE VOTE FROM TWO WEEKS

AGO. >> RECONSIDER MEANS WE ARE WILLING TO VOTE TO RECONSIDER , WILLING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT

THAT MOTION TO UNDO IT. >> THE SAME RESOLUTION WILL

APPEAR ON THE NEXT MEETING. >> IT DOES NOT MEAN YOUR UNDOING IT. IT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO RECONSIDER IT.

>> CORRECT BUT -- >> YES WE ARE CONSIDERING THAT AGAIN BUT BY CONSIDERING IT AGAIN --

>> YOU ARE RECONSIDERING IT FOR THE COMFORT OF THE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE AGAINST THE DECISION MADE BY THE LAST RESOLUTION.

CITY STAFF COULD NOT, BECAUSE OF THIS MOTION PASSES, COULD NOT GO OUT AND START TEARING UP THE BALL FIELD AT PETANQUE -- VELARDI AND PUTTING PETANQUE DOWN. THE FOLKS HERE DON'T THINK YES IT'S COMING BACK. THEY'RE DISCUSSING IT AGAIN AFTER THERE IS SOME TALK BETWEEN STAFF AND THE LEAGUES

AND ALL THAT. >> A BASICALLY IT PUTS IT ON

ICE UNTIL WE -- >> CORRECT. EXACTLY RIGHT. WHEN THAT RESOLUTION COMES BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING SHOULD THIS MOTION PASS, THEN IT'S GOING TO COME BACK EXACTLY AS IT WAS WRITTEN BUT JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW AS COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL MAKE THAT DECISION, THAT RESOLUTION, THOSE LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW IT SAYS JOE VELARDI, CENTRAL PARK. IT COULD BE ANY LOCATION IF YOU BRING THAT RESOLUTION BACK UP. THE OTHER THING IS IF WE ARE NOT READY IN THE COMMUNITY IS NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA BUT IT WILL BE POSTPONED AT THAT POINT.

>> THAT'S COMFORTING TO HEAR BUT TO CLARIFY WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS SAYING IS THAT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS BY MY DEFINITION UNDOING THE LAST BOOK. IT'S LIKE WE NEVER VOTED ON IT. WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER IT AGAIN. VICE-MAYOR

STURGES. >> YES, MY LIGHT WAS ON. WE COULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA ABOUT A QUICK SUPER MAJORITY VOTE TO SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE PETANQUE TO JOE

VELARDI. >> I THINK THE TONE OF THIS MEETING IS BEEN THAT THERE IS NOT INTERESTED IN RUSHING ANYTHING. WE COULD SAY RIGHT NOW IF YOU SAY YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR WE WILL JUST SAY IF YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT AT THE FIELD RAISE YOUR HAND RIGHT NOW AND THERE YOU GO.

>> NO, IN THE ROOM IS EMPTY. PERFECT. THAT'S GOOD. THAT WOULD BE A SUPER MAJORITY IF WE WERE TO DO IT BUT I WANT TO CONFRONT EVERYBODY HERE THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO CONVEY.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY HERE. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND ON THE MOVEMENT TO RECONSIDER THIS ITEM AND A YES VOTE WOULD SAVE THE FIELD.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> YES >> COUNTRY

>> YES >> AND MAYOR BEAN

>> YES. THAT PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[5.1 MAINBEACHSKATEPARKRENAMING-RESOLUTION2024-147RECOGNIZINGMS. POE PINSON'S 2024 OLYMPIC SKATEBOARDING ACHIEVEMENT BY RENAMING THE MAIN BEACH SKATE PARK THE "POE PINSON SKATE PARK"; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves renaming the Main Beach Skate Park the "Poe Pinson Skate Park" in recognition of Ms. Pinson's 2024 Olympic Skateboard 5th Place achievement.]

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>> I'M RECONVENING THIS MEETING. MR. WILSON, TAKE US

AWAY. >> RESOLUTION 2024 IS RECOGNIZING THE POE PINSON SKATEBOARDING ACHIEVEMENT IN RENAMING THE SKATEBOARDING PARK THE POE PINSON SKATE PARK.

>> DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS? >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN THE SECOND. WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. I'M GOING TO GO TO WALLY . I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION BUT I AM GOING TO HAND IT TO WALLY IN A NICE WAY AND THEN I'M GOING TO GIVE WALLY THE FLOOR TO SPEAK ABOUT THE TERRY KELLY SKATE JAM WHICH IS GOING TO BE THIS SATURDAY.

>> THAT'S AWESOME. >> IT IS THE NINTH ANNUAL TERRY KELLY SKATE JAM THIS SATURDAY FROM 1:00 TO 9:00 P.M. WE START OUT AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING. IT IS THE TERRY KELLY 5K, IT IS OUR FIRST ANNUAL 5K. IT GOES THROUGH THE ROUTE OF THE REGULAR SHRIMP FESTIVAL ADJUSTED TO END UP AT THE SKATE PARK WHERE TERRY KELLY TOOK HIS LAST STEPS . HE WAS A FATHER WHO WENT TO SEE HIS KID IN THE SKATEBOARDING EVENT AND HAD A HEART ATTACK AND PASSED. HIS SON WAS THERE AT THE SKATE COMPETITION AND HE WAS 10 YEARS OLD. HE IS 19 YEARS OLD NOW.

AND, WE HONOR PARENTS WHO COME OUT TO SEE THEIR KIDS IN ALL SPORTS, SO WHEN YOU COME OUT TO SEE THIS COMPETITION THIS WEEKEND , FROM 1:00 TO 9:00 P.M., YOU WILL SEE ALL THESE KIDS WHO COME OUT THERE AND ENJOY THEMSELVES ON A DAILY BASIS. WE ALSO HAVE SIX ACTS THAT WILL BE THERE. WE HAVE AT 1:00 P.M., HIGH TIDE BAND. 1:40, ALEX PHELPS. ANDREA SHEN.

3:35 MET STEALS MUSIC. 5:15, JEN BURNS. 6:20 BRIAN ERNST AND AT 7:30, GILBERTO 77. THESE ARE LOCAL BANDS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED THEIR TIME FOR THIS EVENT. WE WILL ALSO HAVE FOOD TRUCKS AND A TOTAL OF 30 VENDORS OUT THERE, SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO, COME VISIT THE NINTH ANNUAL TERRY KELLY SKATE JAM AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU ALL AND MISS SHEILA, YOU HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK ON THIS, AS WELL. A REMINDER OF WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON IS OFFICIALLY NAMING THE SKATE PARK.

>> SHEILA COKIE 1553 INDIGO STREET VICE CHAIR PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I WAS AT THE EVENT NAMING THIS PARK FOR POE. IT WAS GREAT EVENT. IT WAS NICE TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT.

I AM CONCERNED TO A PREVIOUS POINT ABOUT THINGS BEING DONE IN HASTE. WE'VE KNOWN FOR MANY MONTHS THAT POE WAS GOING TO THE OLYMPICS. WE KNEW FOR MANY MONTHS THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PARADE. I DID NOT APPRECIATE THAT THE BOARD CIRCUMVENTED THE PROCESS OF GOING BEFORE PARKS AND REC TO RENAME THIS PARK. WE DID NOT GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE NAMING PROCESS. WE HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE FOR THAT REASON SO I FEEL LIKE THIS WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE ALTHOUGH IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, WAS DONE IN AN INAPPROPRIATE MANNER, SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SLID THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND DONE THAT PREVIOUSLY SO IT COULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OR -- THAT IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS SO I THINK IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE. THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU FOR NAMING THE PARK FOR POE.

>> THANKS. JUMPING AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON THE

FLOOR. >> I JUST WANT TO SECOND MY COMMENTS, MY REASON FOR NOT SUPPORTING THIS BEFORE WAS THE MAJORITY PRINCIPLE OF EVERYTHING SHE STATED IN THE PROCESS. THAT BEING SAID I WILL REITERATE WHAT I SAID BEFORE DESPITE THE, MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE KEYBOARD WARRIORS OUT THERE AND THOSE THAT DID NOT SUPPORT THIS. I GIVE POE THE UTMOST CONGRATULATIONS. I THINK IT'S PHENOMENAL. AS AN ATHLETE MYSELF I CAN ONLY HOPE ONE DAY FOR THE PRESTIGE OF A THING LIKE A GYM NAMED AFTER ME BUT I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE PROCESS IS THE REASON I SPOKE UP ABOUT THIS I STILL HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT NAMING SOMETHING AFTER LIVING PEOPLE AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE TALK ABOUT A PLAQUE WELL, SOME KIND OF TROPHY WALL, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD MEMORIALIZE THE

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>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO SAY THIS WAS NOW WATCHING THE OLYMPICS AND I'M SURE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WOULD COME TO THAT IDEA VERY SHORTLY AFTER I DID.

IT'S NOT LIKE I HAVE A MONOPOLY ON IT. I JUST THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND WE FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION RIGHT, WRONG, OR INDIFFERENT FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH IT AND MAKE IT RIGHT FOR THE PARADE AND MAKING IT AND I BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO NAME IT AFTER HER EVEN THOUGH SHE IS LIVING. I BELIEVE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE MONEY BUDGETED FOR REVITALIZING THE PARK THAT WE HAVE, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO PHRASE IT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. I THINKTHE SKATE PARK IS DUE FOR THAT AREA TO GET APPROVED AND I LOOK FORWARD TO IT AND AM GLAD WE ARE OFFICIALLY NAMING IT THIS EVENING. UNFORTUNATELY I WAS NOT ABLE TO BE THERE. I WAS DOING CITY DUTIES IN THE HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA BUT I APPRECIATE THE GOOD WORDS THAT YOU HAD FOR ME, MAYOR. IT WAS A VERY WELL ATTENDED EVENT . I LOOKED AT ALL THE POST AND FOLLOWED THEM AND LIKED THEM ALL AND I THINK IT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I COMMEND MISS BENSON FOR HER ACHIEVEMENTS BUT AS PREVIOUSLY STATED REASONS I

OPPOSE THIS RESOLUTION. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. LET'S CALL THE ROLE.

>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN >> YES

[5.2 BUDGET TRANSFER - PARKS AND RECREATION - RESOLUTION 2024-148 APPROVING A PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET TRANSFER FOR THE ATLANTIC AVENUE RECREATION CENTER POOL COMPLEX MEN'S RESTROOM AND LOCKER ROOM RENOVATIONS IN FISCAL YEAR 2023/2024; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approving a Parks and Recreation budget transfer for the Atlantic Avenue Recreation Center pool complex men's restroom and locker room renovations in the amount of $120,000 from the Capital Improvements Fund Recreation account, 3007200 56300 into Project #24052.]

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS >> NO

>> THAT PASSES 3-2. >> RESOLUTION 2024-148, THIS IS LIVING MONEY WITHIN THE CAPITAL FUND FOR BUDGET TRANSFER FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE MEN'S REST LOCKER ROOMS AT THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER POOL. THE WOMEN'S RESTROOMS LOCKER ROOMS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE REHABILITATION . THAT WORK SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE MONTH AND THE INTENT IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RENOVATION ON THE MEN'S SIDE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> I HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND. ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE I'M HAPPY WE ARE GETTING THIS DONE.

>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES >> YES

[5.3 PROPOSAL APPROVAL AND BUDGET TRANSFER - HUBBARD CONSTRUCTION COMPANY - RESOLUTION 2024-149 APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM ATLANTIC COAST ASPHALT, A DIVISION OF HUBBARD CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, FOR THE NASSAU COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FUNDED PECK CENTER CHARLES EUGENE RICHO FIELD MULTI-USE TRACK PROJECT AND APPROVING A BUDGET TRANSFER; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the proposal from Hubbard Construction Company for the Nassau County Board of County Commissioners funded Peck Center Charles Eugene Richo Field multi-use track project, in an amount not to exceed $40,969.05 and a budget transfer for surviving expenses.]

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE >> YES

>> MAYOR BEAN >> YES THAT PASSES 5-0. ITEM

THREE. >> RESOLUTION 2024-149, THIS IS A PROPOSAL FROM HUBBARD CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PAVING OF THE FIELD , EXCUSE ME, THE TRACK WITHIN THE PET FIELD. WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS A MUNICIPAL GRANT PROJECT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THE PROJECT COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

>> EXCELLENT. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH, WHAT IS THE DOLLAR FIGURE?

>> IT'S RIGHT AT $41,000 PLUS A MOVE OF $5000 FOR SURVEYING WORK AS NEEDED FOR THE FIELD SO IT IS WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL

GRANT THE COUNTY PROVIDED. >> SO, IT IS WELL WITHIN HER

BUDGET. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU ARE

RECOGNIZED. >> BUDGETED $41,000 AND WERE COMING BACK FOR MORE SO THIS IS NOT REALLY WITHIN THE BUDGET.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THE SURVEYING WAS NOT, CORRECT. THE SURVEYING WAS NOT BUT WITH THE COMMISSION APPROVED WAS THIS PROJECT. IT DID NOT APPROVE THE PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCTION FOR THE PAVING OF IT , JUST DESIGNATED THIS IS THE PROJECT YOU WILL WANT TO PURSUE AND NOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE DONE THE PREP WORK. YOU CAN SEE THE LIME ROCK HAS BEEN PUT DOWN AND WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT AND THE AWARD OF THIS PROPOSAL REMOVE. PAVING.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR . BECAUSE IT IS BELOW THE 50,000 BUDGET THAT THE COUNTY SET FOR YES, WE ARE STILL PICKING IT UP BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THAT BUDGET.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I WAS

SAYING. >> IN CASE THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME EVER HEARING ABOUT THIS WHAT THE VICE MAYOR WAS REFERRING TO IS THE COUNTY HAVE VERY WISELY OFFERED THE MUNICIPALITIES INCLUDING US A $50,000 ALLOCATION EVERY YEAR TO HELP SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE CHOSEN AS A BOARD TO USE THAT THIS YEAR ON THIS PET TRACK SO I WANT TO ONCE AGAIN USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE COUNTY. WE LOVE WORKING WITH THEM AND AS VICE MAYOR STURGES INDICATED THIS IS

WITHIN THAT $50,000. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN

[5.4 PROPOSAL APPROVAL AND BUDGET TRANSFER - ALLIANT ENGINEERING, INC. - RESOLUTION 2024-150 APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM ALLIANT ENGINEERING, INC. FOR ENGINEERING, DESIGN, AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT OF THE UPGRADES AND RELOCATION OF THE CITY'S SANITARY SEWER LIFT STATIONS #3 AND #18; APPROVING A BUDGET TRANSFER; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves a proposal from Alliant Engineering, Inc. for engineering, design, and project management of the upgrades and relocation of Lift Stations #3 and #18, in the amount of $106,390, and a budget transfer in the amount of $15,800.00, to cover costs.]

>> YES >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> YES. BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SUMMER MIGHT , PROPOSAL

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ALLIANT ENGINEERING. >> A PROPOSAL FOR UPGRADES TO TWO LIFT STATIONS THREE AND 18 APPROVING BUDGET TRANSFER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? >> YES.

>> GO AHEAD. >> DO WE HAVE EXACTLY WHERE THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE?

>> YES, THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD GIVE PODIUM CONTROL ON THIS ONE. WE WILL COME UP AND PLOT A LITTLE REVIEW OF WHAT IT IS

WE'RE DOING. >> THANK YOU. FIRST OFF I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION THE INCORRECT LOCATION MAP CAUSED WITH REGARD TO THE LOCATION OF LIFT STATION THREE IN CENTRAL PARK. THAT WAS AN ERROR ON MY PART. THE CORRECTED LOCATION MAP, WE DID EXPLORE ORIGINALLY THE LOCATION THAT WAS INDICATED WAS ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE INITIALLY EXPLORED HERE BUT ONCE WE FOUND OUT THAT WAS IN CONFLICT WITH THE PLANTING AREA THERE WE ABANDON THAT LOCATION. RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS KIND OF THIS DEAD AREA TRIANGLE BEHIND THE OUTFIELD FENCE TENNIS COURTS ON THE WHICH ARE RIGHT HERE ON 13TH STREET. WE WOULD ABANDON THE STATION AT THE MIDDLE OF CENTRAL PARK ONCE THE NEW STATION IS COMPLETE. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RUN THESE LINES BETWEEN THE OAK TREES WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO THE NEW STRUCTURES. THIS IS THE CORRECT LOCATION FOR STATION THREE.

>> WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OLD STATION?

>> FIELD STATION, THE CONCRETE ABOVEGROUND STRUCTURE WILL BE REMOVED . THE WET WELL THAT IS BELOWGROUND WILL BASICALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY USE IS GOING TO BE MOST LIKELY JUST EITHER COLLAPSE IT IN PLACE AND BACKFILL IT OR JUST ABANDON IT IN PLACE. IT IS TOO DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND REMOVE ALL THAT CONCRETE . IT WILL BE SANITIZED AND ABANDONED IN PLACE. IT WILL JUST BE A GRASS FIELD.

>> I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNITY CONCERNED ABOUT OBVIOUSLY SMELL AND ALL OF THAT. IS THERE NEWER TECHNOLOGY THAT'S GOING TO KEEP THAT DOWN? IT IS NOW CLOSER TO THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND TENNIS COURTS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THE DESIGN OF THAT STATIONWHICH IS THE DESIGN THAT IS BEEN USED SINCE THE 50S WHEN THE SEWER COLLECTION WAS FIRST PUT IN PLACE MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO CONTROL GASES AND ORDERS. THAT BUILDING IS VENTED ON ALL SIDES. THE NEW DESIGN STATIONS HAVE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT VENTILATION AND WE ARE GOING TO -- THE ENGINEER IS GOING TO INSTALL ODOR CONTROL MEASURES ALONG WITH THAT SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE -- IT WILL IMPROVE THE SITUATION OVERALL AND SHOULD NOT CREATE A NUISANCE WITH THE NEW LOCATION.

>> I CAN'T WE LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS?

>> THE STATION IS -- WE COULD LEAVE IT IN PLACE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE ABLE TO DO WITH THIS RELOCATION IS UPGRADE CAPACITY. THIS IS A CRITICAL STATION. MOST OF NORTH AND SOUTH FLETCHER AVENUE EVENTUALLY PUMPED TO THIS AREA BEFORE IT IS RE-PUMPED BACK TO THE TREATMENT PLANT SO THE STATION DOES RECEIVE A GOOD BIT OF FLOW SO WITH THIS RELOCATION COUNSEL HAS ADDRESSED THIS THE SITUATION WHERE IT IS CURRENTLY, IT HELPS US IMPROVE CAPACITY.

>> I KNOW YOU POINTED OUT ABOUT THE DEAD TRIANGLES WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, I WALK THAT TRIANGLE FAIRLY OFTEN SO A. OF MOVING THIS IN ADDITION TO THE CAPACITY THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WOULD BE OPENING UP AS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE POINTED OUT, THE FIELD BY THE PLAYGROUND WOULD THEN BECOME MORE GRASS AND AN AREA FOR KIDS MAYBE DON'T RUN AROUND AS MUCH AND THAT TRIANGLE IS NOW THE LIFT STATION.

>> CORRECT. I THINK IT UTILIZES THE SPACE WE HAVE IN THAT PARKING A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.

>> OF COURSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMISSION QUESTIONS? WE KNOW WILL HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A MOTION AND

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>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN THE SECOND. KEEP IN MIND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS WE HAVE REQUEST TO SPEAK FORMS AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS TONIGHT I HOPE YOU FILLED ONE OUT IN THE BACK BUT I WANT TO INVITE FIRST MISSED DIANA HERMAN TO COME ON DOWN TO THE PODIUM. MS. JOYCE, YOU ARE ON DECK .

>> DIANE HERMAN 2116 BELVEDERE AVENUE. I RECEIVED THE ORIGINAL AND OBVIOUSLY I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE I'M ALSO WITH THE TREE CONSERVANCY. I THINK SOME OF YOU KNOW ME . I'M ON THE BOARD FOR MANY YEARS AND WE HAD INSTALLED VOLUNTEERS GROVE WITH A LOT OF NATIVE PLANTS AND THIS WAS A COMMUNITY EFFORT TO HONOR THE VOLUNTEERS ON OUR ISLAND. I HATE TO THINK OF ALL THE VOLUNTEERS STOPPED VOLUNTEERING, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS ISLAND. I THINK EVERYTHING WOULD JUST STOP BUT SO THAT GROVE MONEY WAS DONATED. VOLUNTEERS HELPED INSTALL IT , WORK ON IT. I HUSBAND STILL -- HE IS ILL NOW BUT WEEDS AND MAINTAINS WATER, PRUNES, ET CETERA SO WE WERE VERY CONCERNED. I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT WAS MOVED AND IF I COULD PULL UP THE MAP AGAIN MAYBE -- IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE. I WAS OUT THERE AGAIN TODAY . IS THIS BETWEEN THE BOY SCOUTS HUT IN THE GIRL SCOUTS HOT? BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE

LIVE OAK THERE. >> MS. HERMAN, IT'S NOT TOUCHING ANY TREE AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE. IT'S THE

BLACK BOX. >> OKAY, SO IT'S RIGHT --

THESE ARE THE PICKLEBALL'S? >> YES.

>> THIS IS THE TENNIS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THE ROAD WOULD BE OVER BETWEEN THE OTHER TENNIS COURTS. OH, OKAY. AND SO THAT WOULD HAVE PIPES FROM THE EXISTING ONE TO THE NEW ONE?

HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE.

>> OKAY. IT WAS HARD TO HEAR YOU.

>> I APOLOGIZE. WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS COME FROM THIS MANHOLE THAT IS RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH 13TH , PROBABLY INSTALL ANOTHER STRUCTURE, BRING THAT DOWN AND BE ABLE TO COME RIGHT BETWEEN THESE TREES WITH MAXIMUM SEPARATION BETWEEN

THOSE EXISTING OAKS. >> YOU KNOW THE OAKS I'M

TALKING ABOUT. >> I DO. I'M VERY AWARE OF THE TREES IN THIS AREA. I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THOSE BUT BASED ON OUR FIELD ASSESSMENTS WE CAN PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE OAKS TO GET THAT LINE TO THE NEW AREA.

>> SO YOU ARE NOT TURNING OFF THE OLD ONE. YOU ARE BUILDING A NEW ONE AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OLD ONE?

>> ONC E THE NEW ONE IS COMPLETE AND OPERATIONAL WE DIVERT ALL THE FLOW TO THE NEW STATION.

THE OLD ONE WILL BE ABANDONED. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IT WAS

THERE. >> OKAY, OKAY. WOW. THAT'S GOT TO BE A DIFFICULT JOB. THAT'S GOT TO BE VERY TOXIC, THAT WHOLE AREA WITH ALL THE WASTE IN THE SEWAGE.

>> THIS AREA WILL BE SANITIZED COMPLETELY.

>> OKAY AND THERE IS ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE CENTRAL PARK LOCATION JUST ONE THING. THERE ARE FOUR HERITAGE TREES IN THAT PETANQUE AREA SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT

OF THAT. >> THANK YOU, MS. HERMAN. WE HAVE A FIRM COMMITMENT NOT TO TAKE ANY OF THOSE DOWN. MS.

JOYCE, COME ON DOWN. >> THANK YOU. JOYCE TUTEN. I WILL BE FAST. IT'S LATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I AM JUST CURIOUS IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE ALL JUST LISTEN TO, HALF THE BOY SCOUTS AND GIRL SCOUTS BEEN CONTACTED BECAUSE THAT LOCATION IS 103 FEET FROM THEIR HUTS , AND THEY SURELY DO ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE AND I KNOW I PERSONALLY HEARD FROM A FRIEND WHO IS A GIRL SCOUT LEADER AND THAT THEY ARE OUTSIDE A LOT AND SHE SAID SHE HAD SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL. SHE PROBABLY SENT IT LATE, BETSY HUMAN, WHO IS ALSO ON THE BOARD OF CONSERVE NASSAU AND IF WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT SMELLS BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THE SMELLS WILL POTENTIALLY BE BETTER BUT. JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE THAT FOR PLANNING, HAVE WE CONTACTED THEM AND DO THEY KNOW AND DO THEY KNOW THEIR FRONT YARD, BOTH OF THOSE FRONT YARDS HAVE GIANT TREES IF PIPES HAVE TO COME THROUGH? THAT'S ALL.

SEED MY TIME. THANKS. >> THANK YOU MISSED TUTEN. JUST

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LET'S CALL MISS MARY MILLS TO COME ON DOWN.

>> MARY MILLS. I LIVE AT 22 SOUTH 13TH STREET. WE DECIDED TO CALL THAT CENTRAL PARK SOUTH. SO, WE ARE VERY PROUD OF OUR LITTLE HORSESHOE DRIVEWAY. ONE OF THOSE REMARKS IS ONE END OF IT, THE OTHER RING SLOTS THE OTHER END OF IT SO I AM DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BOY SCOUTS HUT IN THE GIRL SCOUT HUT. MY CONCERNS ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHAT IS THIS GOING

TO LOOK LIKE? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, MS. MILLS AND I'M GOING TO HAVE MR. DESOLATE COME BACK UP HERE AND ADDRESS THIS REAL QUICK AND I'M GOING TO ADD ONE MORE QUESTION. RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO OVER THERE, THERE IS A CURRENT SMELL IF YOU ARE PLAYING TENNIS AND I PLAY PICKLEBALL YOU CAN SMELL IT RIGHT NOW AND AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED BECAUSE IT IS SO OLD , BECAUSE IT IS SO OLD THAT SMELL IS EVERYWHERE . HOWEVER A NEW TECHNOLOGY WOULD HAVE LESS SMELL SO IF YOU ARE ON THAT GREEN LINE WHICH YOU SMELL LESSOR THE SAME OR MORE, WHAT WOULD BE A NOTICEABLE

DIFFERENCE? >> THERE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE ODOR WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING TO THE NEW STATION, 100% IMPROVEMENT. CANNOT SAY IT WILL BE COMPLETELY ELIMINATED. SOMETIMES IN CERTAIN WEATHER SITUATIONS YOU STILL HAVE AN ODOR BUT IT WOULD BE DRASTICALLY IMPROVED FROM WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND THE STATION ITSELF REALLY NOT MUCH IS GOING TO BE VISIBLE ABOVE GROUND. AT MOST THERE'D BE A 10 BY 8 FOOT CONTROL FENCE, SMALL ANTENNA TOWER SIMILAR TO WHAT IS THERE NOW AND THE REST IS BELOW GROUND. THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE SURFACE.

>> IT IS SMALLER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING ?

>> OKAY. >> OKAY. ON OUR STREET WE HAVE A REAL ESTATE AGENT AND SHE SOLD THE HOUSE ACROSS THE PARK.

WE ARE GOING TO CALL THAT CENTRAL PARK WEST, AND SHE HAD TO DISCLOSE THAT THERE WAS A LIFT STATION AND THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT AND ANOTHER LIFT STATION. THAT WAS A DISCLOSURE BECAUSE HER PROPERTY VALUES. NOW, I'M GOING TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE FOREVER. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT SELLING IT. I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO MY GRANDCHILDREN. THEY LOVE IT DOWN HERE. THIS IS NOT A CONCERN FOR ME BUT IT IS A CONCERN FOR SOME PEOPLE SO I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR YOU TO VISIT THAT, THINK ABOUT THAT. IT DOES AFFECT PEOPLE NOT JUST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SELLING HOMES OR BUYING HOMES, BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO SELL THOSE HOMES, SO THAT IS A CONCERN BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE KNOWING IT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY FIT BEHIND THAT AND THAT I DON'T SEE THAT BUILDING WHEN I COME OUT IN THE DRIVEWAY. WE WELCOME MISS DONNA

FERRERA TO THE PODIUM. >> HI, THANK YOU. 118 SOUTH 18TH STREET. NEIGHBORS WITH MARION RODNEY AND ALL OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE IF YOU LOOK AROUND TO SEE A LOT OF 13TH STREET RESIDENCE AND WE DO TAKE PRIDE IN OUR STREET.

WHAT WAS AMAZING TO ME IS THAT I FOLLOW THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WAS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. I TRY TO PAY ATTENTION. I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS A CONCERN UNTIL A NEIGHBOR SENT IT IN A GROUP TEXT FOUR DAYS AGO AND WE ALL RALLIED AND AS MANY OF US GOT HERE AS WE COULD. I AM ALL FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT LIFT STATION. I LOVE CENTRAL PARK.

MY KIDS PLAY TENNIS THERE. I KNOW THE SMELL VERY WELL. IT IS NOT A PLEASANT SMELL. THE EQUIPMENT OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. I THINK OUR CONCERN IS WHY THE MOVE IF THE STRUCTURE THAT IS THERE , WHATEVER IS UNDERGROUND ISN'T GOING TO BE

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IT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING OF THE COMFORT STATION. TRUCKS HAVE ACCESS TO IT TO GET IN THERE. YOU ARE MOVING IT CLOSER TO THE BOY SCOUT AND GIRL SCOUT HUTS. WHILE WE DO THINK THE SMELL IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY COMPLETELY. I THINK IT WILL BE GREATLY IMPROVED BUT YOU ARE MOVING IT CLOSER TO THOSE KIDS AND MY NEPHEW IS A BOY SCOUT AND HIS DAD IS THE SCOUTMASTER WHATEVER THEY CALL THEMSELVES, SCOUT LEADER. THOSE BOYS RUN AROUND OUT THERE IN THE PLAN MONDAY NIGHTS AND I SEE THEM HAVING A GREAT TIME.

THEY HAVE THEIR FIRE PIT OUT THERE. I THINK YOU ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE BOY SCOUT IN THE GIRL SCOUT HUT. IT IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THEM SO I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS WANTING TO KNOW WHY THE MOVE. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE UPGRADE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH THAT BUT AS MARION MENTIONED, OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US. I DO LIKE THAT IT IS KIND OF TUCKED IN THE CORNER. I GET THAT IT IS KIND OF OUT OF SIGHT, BUT I DO STILL WORRY ABOUT THE SMELL AND LIKE I SAID, THE BOY SCOUTS AND THE GIRL SCOUTS USE THAT PROPERTY QUITE A BIT. AND THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF OPEN SPACE THERE BEHIND THAT LIFT STATION OR BEHIND THE COMFORT STATION WHERE IT IS NOW, SO I APPRECIATE ANDRE. HE HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP FOR ME WITH THE SCHOOL BUILDING I JUST BOUGHT DOWNTOWN SO I KNOW HE IS CONSIDERING EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. I THINK I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE MOVEMENT, WHY THE CHANGE IN

LOCATION. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

LET ME QUALIFY MYSELF FIRST. AS TO PUT IT IN THOSE TERMS, I LIVE IN CENTRAL PARK SOUTH SO I'M YOUR NEIGHBOR AS WELL AND IS A FORMER BOY SCOUT USING THAT HOT, I JUST RECENTLY VOLUNTEERED AND PAINTED THE GIRL SCOUT HUT SO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR WHAT THE SCOUTS DO. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MR. DESILET BACKUP BECAUSE I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF THE SYSTEM. I KNOW THAT PARK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE OLD LIFT STATION WHICH IS LARGER, TO NOT BE THERE IN THAT WAY BECAUSE IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE PARK BUILDING BUT ALSO RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAYGROUND SO I THINK WE WOULD OPEN UP MORE

GRASS IN THAT AREA. >> THEY HAVE ALL THE GRASS ON THE OTHER SIDE, TOO IN THAT SPACE IS NOT REALLY USED FOR CHILDREN BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURTS IN THE COMFORT STATION.

>> BUT THAT IS ONLY ONE OF THE TWO. I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THERE IS ALSO AN EFFICIENCY REASON . IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DESILET? COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE REASON TO DO THIS?

>> THE REASON FOR THE MOVE IS ACCOMPLISHING TWO GOALS BECAUSE YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY WE ARE AWARE OF THE ODOR CONCERN IN CENTRAL PARK AND WORKING WITH PARKS AND REC AND GOING THROUGH THESE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT NEWLY AVAILABLE OPEN SPACE , THERE ARE PLANS FOR ADDITIONAL COURTS IN THAT AREA IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. FOR THE LIFT STATION

IS RIGHT NOW. >> IS THAT PUBLIC RECORDS? IS

THAT PLAN OUT THERE SOMEWHERE? >> THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE

HEARD THAT. >> THE PLANNING HAS TO START SOMEWHERE. IT STARTS AT THE SOUTH LEVEL WHEN WE ARE COORDINATING BETWEEN APARTMENTS AND TRYING TO CREATE THESE OBJECTIVES SO IT CAN ALL BE YOU KNOW, IN THE PUBLIC EYE AT ALL TIMES, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, THOSE WERE CONSIDERATIONS. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REHABILITATE THAT STATION IN PLACE THE WAY IT IS NOW. THE WAY WE WOULD DO THAT IS BASICALLY TO DEMOLISH THE ABOVEGROUND CENTER BLOCK STRUCTURES , PUT CONCRETE LIDS ONTO THE UNDERGROUND PORTION OF THE LEVEL SO THERE WOULD BE A CONCRETE SLAB VISIBLE . IT WAS STILL BE PROBABLY A SMALL FIBERGLASS BUILDING AND MOST LIKELY, FENCE FOR SECURITY . WE ARE MOVING TOWARD FENCING ALL OF OUR LIFT STATIONS IN PUBLIC AREAS FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AND SO THAT IS A BIG CONSIDERATION HERE. WE HAVE AN ANTENNA TOWER THAT IS A NUISANCE RIGHT NEXT TO A JUNGLE GYM THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO CLIMB, THINGS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CLIMB SO THAT FACTORED INTO THE WHOLE DECISION TO RELOCATE.

>> DID I ALSO SEE A BIG COST DIFFERENCE IN RENOVATING IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS? I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LIKE 15 MILLION

VERSUS 10 MILLION? >> WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT ON THAT SCALE . WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STATION PROBABLY BEING THREE TO $400,000 VERSUS MAYBE 100 TO RENOVATE THE

EXISTING STATION. >> STILL SIGNIFICANT, TO MOVE

IT IS GOING TO DOUBLE COST. >> IT IS AND WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE OUR NEEDS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ARE AND FELT THAT THIS OF THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS WAS THE BEST SOLUTION BECAUSE WITH THE EXISTING GRAVITY COLLECTION SYSTEM WE CANNOT MOVE IT VERY FAR. THE FARTHER WE MOVE IT THE MORE

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COST GOES UP. >> I THINK WE AS RESIDENTS JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT HER PROPERTY VALUES ARE SECURE AND THAT WE ARE HEARD AND LISTEN TO THEM JUST AS PETANQUE AND BABE RUTH WANTED TO BE HEARD WE WANT TO BE HEARD AS WELL.

>> AND YOUR EXPERT OPINION IS SOMEONE WHO DEALS WITH THIS ALL THE TIME, YOU HAVE SEEN THE NEW LIFT STATIONS BEFORE, RIGHT? SO, WITH THAT IN MIND LET'S SAY JUST A THEORETICAL THING. I SEE THE GIRL SCOUT HUT IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OLD BLUES -- STATION ON THE NEW STATION. RIGHT NOW I CAN DEFINITELY SMELL THE OLD LIFT STATION. WOULD IT BE MORE OR LESS , THE NEW LIFT STATION OR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WILL I BE ABLE TO

SMELL MORE OR LESS? >> ABSOLUTELY LESS.

>> IN THE BOY SCOUT HEAD IS CLOSER BUT IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION, IS THE OWNER GOING TO BE MORE OR LESS FROM THE BOY SCOUT HUT WHICH IS I GUESS CLOSER?

>> IN MY OPINION IT'S GOING TO BE LESS.

>> THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. >> IF YOU LEFT IT WHERE IT IS IT WOULD BE THE SAME ANSWERS. THE SMELL BEING MORE OR LESS

CLOSE TO THE GIRL SCOUT. >> IT WOULD BE LESS. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE SIMILAR UPGRADES TO THAT STATION . I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO AS EFFICIENT OF A JOB AT CONTROLLING THE ODORS BUT WE COULD IMPROVE THE SITUATION AT THE CURRENT LOCATION IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION THE COMMISSION

PREFERS TO GO. >> MISS LESLIE, YOU ALREADY SPOKE ON THIS. REAL QUICK MISS SHEILA COPIA. I NOTICED YOU HAD

PUT ONE IN YET. >> MR. DESILET. BEFORE SHE

COMES UP ? >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD WE CAN REHABILITATE THE CURRENT LIFT STATION, SO THE REASON WE ARE NOT GOING TO REHABILITATE, IT'S GOING TO COST US ABOUT $150,000 TO MOVE IT .

>> INITIAL COST ESTIMATE YES. >> AND THE REASON WE ARE MOVING IT , I'M STILL NOT GETTING THAT.

>> TO HAVE LESS OF A PRESENCE IN THE PARK. TO BE IN A BETTER LOCATION THAT WORKS BETTER WITH THE PARK INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> AND I GUESS THAT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE.

>> IT IS ALL BASED ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I CAN SEE THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. DESILET. LET'S INVITE MISS SHEILA KOBE, COME ON DOWN.

>> SORRY, ME AGAIN, 1553 INDIGO STREET. THIS IS NOT REALLY ABOUT MOVING THE LIFT STATION. I WILL DEFER TO THE PEOPLE THAT DIRECTLY IMPACTS SOME PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE THAN ME ABOUT THE SITUATION BUT THIS IS THE FIRST I'M HEARING ABOUT ADDITIONAL TENNIS COURTS IN CENTRAL PARK. I'M GOING TO GET A LOT OF HATE MAIL FOR THIS. I FLOATED THIS IDEA MANY TIMES. I REALLY THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO AS A CITY BE LOOKING LONG TERM AT ADDING PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS COURTS OVER AT THE GOLF CLUB AND REALLY BUILDING OUT A GOLF CLUB SITUATION, A CLUBHOUSE WHERE YOU CAN EAT, DINE, CHARGE PEOPLE FOR PICKLEBALL, REVENUE GENERATORS, THAT KIND OF THING AND LEAVE THE PICKLEBALL COURT SET PICKLEBALL -- CENTRAL COURT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING FUN IN PICK UP GAMES NOT QUITE SO SERIOUS. GETS A LITTLE COMPETITIVE OVER THERE SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THAT EXPANDED AT CENTRAL PARK AND LEAVE THAT MORE CASUAL AND LOOKING FOR REVENUE STREAM OPPORTUNITIES BY EXPANDING OVER AT THE GOLF COURSE, SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE THE PARK MEETING IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

>> THANK YOU. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE ARE HEARING ABOUT TENNIS COURTS AS WELL SO TO BE CLEAR, YOU ARE ANTI- TENNIS COURT. PRO LIFT STATION IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I AM SUPPORTING TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM MR.

DESILET. >> OKAY, SO.

>> WE DO HAVE QUESTIONS. >> DO I HAVE TO SUBMIT ANOTHER FORM TO SPEAK AGAIN? WHAT CAN I DO?

>> COME FORWARD. >> I DO WANT TO SAY I AGREE THE SMELL MIGHT BE LESS BUT THAT'S NOT SAYING IT'S GOING AWAY, RIGHT? THERE PROBABLY IS STILL GOING TO BE IN ORDER AND KNOW

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HEARD SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT.

KNOW, DONNA. THAT'S RIGHT. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU GO

AHEAD. >> CONSEQUENCES OF NOT APPROVING THIS TONIGHT? TO LOOK AT THE

ALTERNATIVE? >> THIS IS JUST THE DESIGN. WE ARE JUST BRINGING TO YOU LOOKING FOR AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TALKING ABOUT IT WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO DESIGN THE SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO START THE CONVERSATION SOMEWHERE AND I WANT TO JUMP ON WITH ONE THING ANDRE MENTIONED.

WE HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT PUSH TO GET THIS LIFT STATION OUT OF THIS LOCATION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IT HAS BEEN A PRIORITY.

THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT TENNIS COURTS FOR THIS LIFT STATION IS ARE PICKLEBALL COURTS. HOWEVER, ANY FUTURE GROWTH WITHIN THE AREA THERE IS A STINKY LIFT STATION FROM THE 1960S THAT IS BEEN THERE. THINK ABOUT 50 YEARS AGO YOU DID NOT HAVE ALL THIS WE HAVE HERE NOW SO IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAYGROUND, PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE RIGHT THERE SO IT'S LIKE WE WANT THIS THING OUT OF THE WAY. THE DIRECTOR FROM THE CITY MANAGER BEFORE ME IS THAT THIS THING NEEDS TO MOVE. THIS IS NOT A NEW IDEA ABOUT WANTING THE STINKING , VENTILATED OLD SYSTEM OUT OF THE WAY SO WE ARE LIMITED TO WHERE IT CAN GO BECAUSE AS ANDRE MENTIONED THIS IS A MAJOR DISTRIBUTION POINT PUMP STATION. IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING TO MOVE IT WITH THE BENEFIT THAT IN MOVING THAT, WE DO HAVE OTHER AVAILABLE GREEN SPACE RIGHT HERE IN A HIGHLY POPULATED AREA SO THAT IS WHY THIS DESIGN IS FINALLY COMING TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND THEN TO WORK WITH A COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO DESIGN THE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY.

>> ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION? >> IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT ALL OF THIS WE WOULD'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION IN PRIVATE SO I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE IT MOST IMPACT IN THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY HEARD ABOUT IT FOUR DAYS AGO . THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING. AND SO I'M WONDERING WHY -- WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT PASSING THIS TONIGHT AND GOING BACK AND SAYING -- I KNOW ONCE YOU DESIGNED IT IT'S GOING TO GO THERE SO WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF LOOKING AT THE

ALTERNATIVES? >> FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE. THERE ARE NO BIG CONSEQUENCES TO POSTPONING IT TO LOOK IT UP A LITTLE FURTHER. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE. IN MY VIEW, YOU KNOW, THE LIFT STATION IS BEING MOVED MAYBE 20 FEET CLOSER TO 13TH STREET. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE A VISUAL NUISANCE, ANYTHING BUT AN IMPROVEMENT, WE WOULD'VE REACHED OUT EARLIER TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. I HONESTLY DID NOT FEEL THIS WAS GOING TO BE A NEGATIVE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT BASED ON THE LOCATION IT'S OUT OF THE WAY. IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NOTICE IT SO THAT IS WHY THESE DISCUSSIONS OF NOT HAPPEN BEFORE NOW. WE HAVE KIND OF FELT LIKE THIS WAS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT FOLKS WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH BUT IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE, I AM WILLING TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND GIVE IT MORE TIME IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.

>> YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE?

>> I DON'T. BUT, THE CLOSEST THING TO WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS OUR LIFT STATION ON BAILEY ROAD . YOU KNOW, IT IS A CHAIN-LINK FENCE. THE ONLY THING VISIBLE IS A FIBERGLASS

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>> EVERYBODY HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A VISUAL KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROXIMITIES MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN PAY MUCH MIND TO.

>> I DO HAVE A LIGHT ON FOR VICE-MAYOR STURGES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME WE COULD HAVE A MEETING AND GET A LITTLE MORE DEPTH IN A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION OBVIOUSLY I DON'T THINK ANDRE WAS TRYING TO MISS ANY CITIZENS ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SEWER OR THE SMELL . A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS CAN PROBABLY BE ANSWERED IN LIKE A WORKSHOP HERE AT CITY HALL. THAT IS JUST MY THOUGHT PROCESSES, LIKE LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP, TALK ABOUT IT. HE CAN GO OVER ALL THE DETAILS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN COME BACK AND AFTER THE COMMUNITIES GIVE SOME INPUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT VOTING NOT THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUSH IT A LONG WAY BUT WE CAN PROBABLY HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SMELL.

THERE CAN BE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ANDRE CAN COME NOT BE PUT ON POINT TONIGHT ABOUT THE ANSWERS THAT HE MIGHT NOT HAVE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE IF IT'S ONLY MOVING 20 FEET FURTHER, HE COULD GO -- I DON'T KNOW HOW HE CAN COME UP WITH THIS BUT I'M SURE SHE'S VERY SMART AND DOES THIS FOR A LIVING, HE COULD COME UP WITH WHAT THE SMALL DIFFERENCE EXACTLY COULD BE. HE COULD COME

UP WITH -- >> I WISH I COULD MODEL THE ODORS BUT YOU KNOW . THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE BUT JUST FOR VISUALIZATION , THIS IS OUR MOST SIMILAR LIFT STATION FACILITY . YOU HAVE YOUR PROPANE TANK OR GENERATORS BACK HERE, COMMUNICATION TOWER AND A SMALL AMOUNT OF PIPING . YOU KNOW, WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO FENCING MATERIAL THAT FITS BETTER IN THE LOCATION AND ANY DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE

IT MORE PALATABLE. >> IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK AND I'VE HEARD THIS IN MEETINGS YEARS BACK. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS WAS SURFACED. HOWEVER IF THAT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SEWER STATION IS GOING TO BE IF YOU MOVE IT BEHIND THE BOY AND GIRL SCOUT HUT, HAS ANYBODY SPENT ANYTIME NEXT TO THAT LIFT STATION? DOES IT SMELL TERRIBLE AT CERTAIN TIMES? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU GET A FEEL FOR THIS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR THE ANSWER.

THAT IS IT. >> IS THIS THE LIFT STATION ?

>> I KNOW ABOUT THIS LIFT STATION. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THIS LIFT STATION BECAUSE PEOPLE ACROSS THE ROAD IS MY MEMORY CORRECT? BITTERLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ODOR AND ANDRE WENT AND THEY DID A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM IN TWO YEARS, SO KUDOS TO THEM. THEY FIXED THE PROBLEM SO BUT GUARANTEEING THAT THERE IS NO SMELL WHATSOEVER HAS TO DO WITH THE WEATHER, HAS TO DO WITH THINGS THAT THEY DID A LOT OF TIMES THERE MUST'VE BEEN INAUDIBLE ] TO THIS LIFT STATION BUT THEY DID IT. IT

TOOK A WHILE. >> IT TOOK SOME TIME BUT WITH THAT AS A FOCUS FOR THE DESIGN I THINK WE CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB WORKING WITH THE LIMITATIONS OF WHAT WE HAD , BUT WE ALREADY HAD CONSTRUCTED SO OUR OPTIONS WERE LIMITED BUT THERE IS NEVER A GOOD LOCATION FOR A LIFT STATION AND AS THIS ISLAND GETS MORE AND MORE BUILT OUT, IT BECOMES MORE AND MORE OF AN ISSUE, SO YOU KNOW , I AM PERFECTLY WILLING TO TAKE A STEP BACK ON THIS AND MAKE SURE WE ARE MAKING THE MOST INFORMED DECISION WE CAN ON THIS AND THERE ARE TWO STATIONS HERE.

WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT ONE BUT PERFECTLY HAPPY TO FURTHER

THIS DISCUSSION . >> HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED

TO DO THAT? COMFORTABLY? >> LET ME GET WITH --

>> THE REASON I'M ASKING IS I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT TO A DATE WHERE YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH TIME TO DO WHATEVER YOU

WANT. >> I WOULD BE WILLING TO TABLE

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COMMUNITY COMING OUT TONIGHT. >> THE REASON I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN IS THAT I'VE LEARNED THAT BEING UNCERTAIN, THINGS JUST KEEP SLIDING SO WHEN YOU HAVE A DEADLINE YOU WORK WITH

THE DEADLINE. >> I HEAR YOUR POINT BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE SOMETHING MOTIVATING US TO DO THIS AND THAT IS WHAT VICE-MAYOR STURGES IS POINTED OUT IS THAT THIS CERTAINLY IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS 1950S LIFT STATION STINKING UP CENTRAL PARK. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS SO I GET YOUR IDEA ABOUT DEADLINE BUT I THINK JUST GIVE HIM THE TIME HE

NEEDS TO GET THIS BACK TO US. >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS YOU KNOW, THE REASON WE ARE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE CONTRACT AMOUNTS EXCEED THE THRESHOLD FOR COMMISSION APPROVAL. I WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS ENGINEERING FIRM WHO IS GOING TO BE WORKING WITH US ON THIS TO HELP US OF THAT THESE LOCATIONS AND PROVIDE THE MOST INFORMED RESPONSE THAT WE CAN, SO WHAT I WILL LIKELY DO IS GET THEM TO GIVE HIS CONTRACT FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT HOPEFULLY IS -- WE CAN EXECUTE ON STAFF LEVEL TO GET THEM INVOLVED BUT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THEIR TIMELINE ON THAT, SO WE WOULD HESITATE TO GIVE A SPECIFIC TIMEFRAME TO GET THIS DONE . LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN IN PROGRESS FOR A WHILE. A LITTLE WHILE LONGER IS NOT GOING TO PUT US IN A WORSE SPOT THAN WE ARE NOW SO LET ME JUST , IF WE'RE TABLING IT, WE CAN PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA AFTER

WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS I RESPECT YOUR OPTION TO MAKE A MOTION BUT WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR NOW. COMMISSIONER ANTUN, WHICH YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION FOR A TABLE. THE NEW MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO TABLE. BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT , KEEP IN MIND WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS IT LOOKS LIKE TO THE NEAR FUTURE. I DO HAVE MS. LEE. COME ON DOWN.

PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> HI. WENDY LEE 10 SOUTH 13TH STREET. WE ARE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE LIFT STATION AT THE PARK.

>> ARE YOU IN WEST CENTRAL PARK OR EAST CENTRAL PARK?

>> I'M REALLY NOT QUITE SURE. AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF WITH MY NEIGHBORS AS WELL. I THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS NUMBER ONE WE ALL WANT TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY VALUES. NUMBER TWO, WE ARE ALL VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE SMELL AT THE CURRENT STATION AND WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL CONTINUE TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL PARK SO I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO BRING TO YOU IS THAT NUMBER ONE, WE WISH WE WERE ALL PART OF THE SOLUTION BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY AFFECTS US ON A DAILY BASIS AND WE JUST ASKED TO BE PART OF THAT GOING FORWARD AND THAT WE WOULD RATHER BE PART OF IT INSTEAD OF HEARING IT THROUGH FACEBOOK OR OTHER MEASURES BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT US. IT DOES NOT ONLY AFFECT US FINANCIALLY BUT DAILY, AS WELL, SO THAT'S ALL

WE ASK. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO TABLE THIS AND WE WILL GET MORE INFORMATION. OKAY, WITH THAT, LET'S CALL THE ROLE.

>>

[5.5 CHANGE ORDER APPROVAL-AT&T SOUTHEAST-RESOLUTION 2024-151 APPROVING A BELLSOUTH TELECOMMUNICATIONS, LLC. D/B/A AT&T SOUTHEAST AGREEMENT CHANGE ORDER TO RELOCATE CABLE LINES FROM SEVERAL FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES UTILITY POLES ON AIRPORT ROAD ADJACENT TO THE NEW FIRE STATION; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the change order from AT&T for the relocation of their telecommunications lines on Airport Road, in the amount of $17,604.98.]

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> YES >> MAYOR BEAN

>> YES. THAT PASSES 5-0. IT WILL BE TABLED TO AN UNSPECIFIED FUTURE DATE. WITH THAT WE ARE HEADING DOWN TO ITEM 5.5. THIS IS THE AT&T CHANGE ORDER APPROVAL .

>> RESOLUTION 2024-151 APPROVING A CHANGE ORDER FROM AT&T SOUTHEAST TO BELLSOUTH TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY FOR THE REMOVAL OF A UTILITY POLE AT THE AIRPORT ROAD ADJACENT TO THE NEW FIRE STATION. STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THESE OVERAGES BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY

COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU. WE WILL START WITH A REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS AND WE WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I HAVE A SOLILOQUY, NOT QUESTIONS.

>> AT YOUR PLEASURE. NOW OR LATER.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. MY MOTION IS THAT WE NOT PAY THIS

BILL . DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I THOUGHT THIS WAS

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>> YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE YOURSELF MORE CLEAR ABOUT WHY YOU WOULD

DO SUCH A THING. >> HOLD ON WE CAN GO BACK TO ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER AND DO AWAY WITH THE DISCUSSION AT THE

BEGINNING AND MAKE A MOTION. >> OKAY, BUT IT IS COMMISSIONER

QUESTION TIME. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

WELL YEAH, HERE'S MY SOLILOQUY. FIRST OF ALL, THIS POLL WAS -- UTILITY POLE WAS LOCATED NEAR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE THE NEW FIRE DEPARTMENT IS, WAS LOCATED THERE AND NEEDED TO BE MOVED BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY. SPU HAS AGREEMENTS WITH COMCAST, AT&T AND OTHER UTILITIES. THEY HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH THEM .

SPU WILL THE POLE WITH NO CHARGE, NO CHARGE. AND THEN AT& T CAME ALONG AND SAID WE ARE NOT MOVING OUR STUFF UNTIL YOU PAY US , AND I THINK THE ORIGINAL BILL WAS $29,000.

ACTUALLY STARTED OUT AT $50,000 AND SOME OF US WENT OUT AND NEGOTIATED WITH THEM AND WE KNOCKED IT DOWN TO $29,000.

THEY REFUSE TO DO ANY WORK WHATSOEVER UNTIL THEY REPAY THE $29,000. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THEY REFUSE TO DO ANY WORK WHATSOEVER . SO, BECAUSE WE WANTED THE STATION TO BE OPEN , WE PAY THE $29,000. NOW THEY'VE COME BACK AND THEY WANT -- THEY HAVE ALMOST DOUBLED THEIR BILL AND AGAIN THERE WAS NO CHARGE FROM SPU AND NO CHARGE FROM COMCAST TO DO THIS. THEY PROVIDED A FINAL BILL THAT WAS ALMOST DOUBLE THE ORIGINAL COST AND THERE IS NO REAL EXPLANATION TO WHY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BILL, PART OF IT IS $16,441.11 FOR CORPORATE OVERAGE. WHICH THEY DON'T REALLY EXPLAIN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE WERE EVEN CHARGE FOR PREPARING A QUOTE . WHEN ASKED FOR THEIR AGREEMENT WITH FPU WHICH DELINEATES THE RESPONSIBILITIES THEY REFUSE TO GIVE IT TO US. COMCAST GAVE US THEIR AGREEMENT WITH SPU AND WHAT IT SAYS IN THERE IF THEY BEAR THE AGREEMENT COMCAST WILL BEAR THE COST. I SUSPECT THE AT&T AGREEMENT IS THE SAME BUT AGAIN THEY ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO LOOK AT THAT. SO, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD PAY THIS BILL AND I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO PAYING THIS BILL . THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ARE THEY CAN TAKE US TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT, COUNTY COURT, AND WE CAN TALK TO THE JUDGE ABOUT THIS. I THINK THIS WAS A CONTRACT UNDER DURESS AND NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY TO PAY THIS.

>> THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. TAMMI, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. SO, CURRENTLY HAS THIS WORK BEEN ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED? THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS THIS IS A CONTRACT SO HAS AT&T COMPLETED THIS WORK?

>> YES. >> SO, THE WORK HAS BEEN

COMPLETED? >> YES.

>> THEY ORIGINALLY GAVE US AN ESTIMATE FOR WHAT IT WAS GOING

TO COST. >> AN ESTIMATE.

>> THE ESTIMATE WAS UNDER WHAT IT COST?

>> EVEN ORIGINALLY WITH THE 50,000 THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID THEY REDUCED OUR ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE TWISTED THEIR ARMS A

LITTLE BIT. >> WE TWISTED THEIR ARMS AND THEY MADE AN ASSUMPTION CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. IN THE CONTRACT IT SAYS --

>> THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADING IN THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS

WHAT THIS CONTRACT SAY. >> THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT IF THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE PRICE BECAUSE OF FIELD CONDITIONS OR WHATEVER -- IT IS A ONE-SIDED CONTRACT. IF WE WANTED THE POLE GONE WE HAD TO SIGN THE CONTRACT AND THE CONTRACT IS NOT FAVORABLE TO THE CITY. HOWEVER, I -- WE -- IF YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS TO MAKE FOR SOME REASON BECAUSE YOU WANT US TO PUSH BACK HARDER AND SAY WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO PAY THIS.

WHAT IS THE $60,000 -- $16,000 OF CORPORATE -- THEY'RE NOT

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>> ARE BASICALLY WAS SIGNED A CONTRACT STATING THAT THEY COULD CHARGE US WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO CHARGE US. AND IF THEY WANT TO PUSH IT, THEY COULD GET THAT MONEY PLUS ATTORNEYS FEES. OR WE COULD NEGOTIATED OVER TIME ONE

WAY OR THE OTHER. CORRECT? >> YES.

>> IF YOU WANT TO NEGOTIATE IT, IT'S A BETTER POSITION FOR US FOR THIS BOARD TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT AND TELL US TO DO THAT RATHER THAN US START AHEAD OF TIME AND SAY WILL WE REALLY SHOULD NEGOTIATE THIS. THEY WOULD COME BACK AND SAY THE CONTRACT SAYS X BUT THIS HAS TO PASS YOU WELL AND IF YOU ALL SAID WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO PAY THIS, DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO PAY IT, IT'S TOO MUCH WHATEVER IT IS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE BACK TO THEM, SO.

>> IT'S UP TO YOU. I'M NOT COUNTERING WHAT YOU SAID. WE SIGNED A CONTRACT IN GOOD FAITH. WE WERE, AS COMMISSIONER ROSS SAYS -- I'M NOT SURE WE WERE UNDER LEGAL TRUST NECESSARILY BUT THERE IS A DEFINITION FOR THAT BUT SIGNING THE CONTRACT UNDER DURESS MAKES THAT CONTRACT VOID OR VOIDABLE.

WE HAD A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DRIVELINE FOR THE NEWFIRE STATION . IF WE DID NOT SIGN THIS CONTRACT, THAT POLL WOULD STILL BE SITTING THERE UNLESS SOMEBODY CAME BY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND MOVED IT. THAT IS OUR ONLY OTHER OPTION REALLY AND WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT SO. THAT IS WHERE WE STAND SO COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS ASKED ME THESE QUESTIONS ONE-ON-ONE AND I ANSWER THEM AND SO TONIGHT IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. THEY ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO TRY TO WORK WITH US ON IT BUT IT'S

REALLY UP TO YOU. >> WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WORK WITH US ON IT IF WE APPROVE THIS SO IN MY OPINION I'M NOT GOING TO WHOLEHEARTEDLY ALWAYS AGREE WITH US COMMISSIONER ROSS BUT IN THIS POINT LET'S NOT APPROVE THIS THIS EVENING AND THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> AS THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL MONEY IF THIS IS MY OWN IF IT WAS MY HOUSE AND AT&T SENT ME THIS BILL I WOULD HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR AT&T SO I THINK I WOULD CONCUR WITH WHAT THE VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER ROSS HAVE SAID IS THAT WE NEED TO ASK A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

>> I WILL SECOND ALL THOSE SENTIMENTS. I EQUATE THIS TO AN OVERAGE ON YOUR CELL PHONE BILL AS WELL SO YOU DON'T JUST WANT

TO PAY IT. >> WE'VE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION HERE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO NOT -- IF I WANT TO DO NOTHING WE JUST DON'T MAKE A MOTION, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T NEED A MOTION OR FOR NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BUT I WILL STILL CALL ON MR. PETE STEVENSON TO TALK ABOUT THE AT&T PROCESS.

>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S START ON THE GOOD NOTE FIRST. I JUST GOT MY TAX BILL. METRO PLEDGE. IT COST ME A LATTE PER YEAR, THAT'S THAT. JOB WELL DONE. THIS IS BASICALLY A TIME AND

MATERIAL CONTRACT. >> PETE STEVENSON, 1627 HIGHLAND DUNES WAY, FERNANDINA BEACH. YOU KIND OF LOOK THROUGH THE LANGUAGE AND IT SAYS YEAH THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. MY FRUSTRATION IS THE INCREASE WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A FIXED-PRICE AGREEMENT 60% . THIS IS AT&T. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE TECHNICAL COMPETENCY TO BE WITHIN 5%, MAYBE 10% ALL THE TIME. THEY DO THIS. THIS IS WHAT THEY GET PAID TO DO, SO I THINK YES, IT IS TIME TO GO CHALLENGE THEM AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET AROUND -- I WOULD NOT EVEN AGREE TO THIS BUT WE MAY LEGALLY BE REQUIRED TO BECAUSE OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, LEGAL, WHATEVER SO ANYWAY THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I HAVE. I'M LOOKING AT WHO DID IT AND THEY DID NOT DO

A GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU, MR. STEVENSON'S.

>> WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM IF YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THEIR AGREEMENT WITH FPU WHICH I THINK WE ARE ENTITLED TO TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHO'S SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT , JUST LIKE COMCAST GAVE IT TO US BUT I THINK AT&T SHOULD DO THE SAME

THING. >> REAL QUICK FOR EVERYBODY'S

[5.6 BUDGET TRANSFER -PLANNING AND CONSERVATION- RESOLUTION 2024-152 APPROVING A PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT BUDGET TRANSFER IN FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves reallocating $50,000from the Planning and Conservation Salaries account, 0011500 51200 into the Professional Services account, 0011500 53100 to facilitate the completion of a downtown traffic circulation and parking assessment and update to the Community Redevelopment Area Plan.]

WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO 5.6, BUDGET TRANSFER PLANNING CONSERVATION . MR. WILSON, WHAT

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HAVE YOU GOT? >> 2024-152 APPROVING PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT. THIS IS REALLOCATING FUNDS WITHIN THAT BUDGET FOR A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES ACCOUNT TO COMPLETE A DOWNTOWN PARKING ASSESSMENT AND UPDATE OUR PLAN.

>> PERFECT. ANY QUESTIONS ? DO I HEAR A MOTION THEN?

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS UNTIL AFTER

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO POSTPONE. WITH THAT IN MIND LET'S CALL MR. PETE STEVENSON.

>> PETE STEVENSON 167 HIGHLAND DUNES WAY, FERNANDINA BEACH .

PROBABLY THE STUDY IS APPROPRIATE. I'M ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD BUT MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT IS LET'S WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE PARK AT THE WATERFRONT OPEN. LET'S SEE HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOW KIND OF WORKS, JUST GET A SNAPSHOT AFTER SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, MAYBE WE GO AFTER AN OUTSIDE STUDY BUT LET ME JUST SUGGEST ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. FOUR YEARS AGO, WE HAD A RESIDENT TEAM PUT TOGETHER TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE WALKOVER'S AND SO FORTH GOING DOWN TO THE BEACH. DID NOT COST US ANYTHING. THEY CAME BACK AND PUT A PRODUCT THAT IS BEEN FOLLOWED VERY CLOSELY. WE ARE GETTING GRANTS BASED ON IT. WHY NOT CONSIDER MAYBE A PUBLIC REQUEST TO SAY OKAY, WE NEED PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE AND SO FORTH TO DO THE TRAFFIC FLOW STUDY INTO IT WITHOUT SPENDING $50,000. I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO GET THE DATA BUT I THINK THE TIMING OF IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND I THINK RIGHT NOW THERE IS A LOT OF DYNAMICS IN THE DOWNTOWN CITY. LET'S WAIT AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE WE START DOING THAT.

>> THANK YOU, PETE. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MS. GIBSON TO THE PODIUM. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR HER BASED ON WHAT PETE JUST SAID. I AM HEARING SOME CONVERSATION HERE AND IT DOES IN GENERAL MAKE SENSE OF WHERE GOING TO EXTEND THE TRAFFIC AND HAVE SOME CHANGES DOWNTOWN AND THAT TRAFFIC FLOW WILL CHANGE ONCE WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS OPEN BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE WITHOUT HEARING FROM YOU SO WHAT IS THE

REASON WE NEED TO DO IT NOW? >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IS THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE NOT HAD PARKING STUDY AND ANALYSIS DONE BY A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL SINCE 2009. MANY THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN OUR ECONOMY. MANY NATIONAL EVENTS HAVE OCCURRED THAT HAD DIRECT IMPACTS ALL AROUND TOWN INCLUDING THE HEAD WHICH IS HAD A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON TRAFFIC NEEDS AND CIRCULATION. THAT IS ONE DATA POINT. THE POINT ABOUT WAITING IS SOMETHING I HEARD THAT YOUR JUNE MEETING INITIALLY IN PROVIDING THAT FEEDBACK AND UPDATING THE ANALYSIS IS PART IS ONE OF THE FINAL ORDERS. THEY WILL RE-EVALUATE THAT ONCE TRAFFIC REOPENS AGAIN SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE EFFECTS THEIR AND MAKE ANY SUGGESTED IMPROVEMENTS RACED ON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED.

ANOTHER POINT IS THAT THIS YEAR WE DO HAVE AN OVERAGE WITHIN OUR BUDGET ON SALARIES. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT OVERAGE AND CARRY THAT INTO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO PAY TO THESE STUDIES. IF THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR IT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THOSE DOLLARS WILL NOT BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR

THOSE STUDIES TO OCCUR. >> THAT ILLUSTRATES WHY IT WOULD DO IT NOW. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT IF WE HIT IT NOW, THE PEOPLE WE HIRE WOULD COME BACK AND THEY WOULD DO PART OF IT AGAIN TO CONFIRM

INTO THE TASK REPORTER. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WHAT THEY ALSO COME BACK AND COME AND DO THIS FOR NORTH

SEVENTH? >> NORTH SEVENTH WOULD BE COMPLETED BEFORE THE ANALYSIS IS GENERATED.

>> OKAY AND WHAT IS THE PROPOSED ANALYSIS?

>> INITIAL TRAFFIC CIRCULATION OR ACCOUNTS WERE COMPLETED IN MAY SO WE DON'T HAVE THE ANALYSIS FROM IT BECAUSE WE ONLY PAID FOR ACCOUNTS TO BE DONE BUT THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PIECE OF IT, THE ANALYSIS OF THAT DATA TIED TO THOSE ACCOUNTS WILL ALL OCCUR ONCE WE HAVE THE REST OF THE

STUDY FUNDED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE ARE READY SO GETTING THOSE DOLLARS AVAILABLE IF WE NEEDED TO DELAY IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT FOLLOWING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IS SOMETHING THE CONSULTANT COULD ACCOUNT FOR.

>> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOLLOW THAT UP. I KNOW WE ARE WORKING ON THE LOT TO STREET OPENING.

IS THAT STILL ON TRACK? >> YES. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE RAILROAD . THAT IS INTO NEXT CALENDAR YEAR BUT THAT WOULD NOT PREVENT THE ROAD FROM OPENING.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY SO NOW WE OPEN THE FLOOR TO COMMISSION A DISCUSSION ON THIS.

>> SO, THE STUDY IS TO LOOK AT THE 36 BLOCK TO THE EAST, FRONT STREET TO THE WEST AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 2004 SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER STUDY THAT IS GOING TO GATHER DUST ON THE SHELF. BACK IN THAT STUDY IT SAYS RELOCATE WATERFRONT PARKING EAST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WE IGNORED THAT. EVALUATE PUBLIC LANDS FOR TRADITIONAL PARKING. WE'VE DONE THAT AND FIGURED OUT EVERY SQUARE INCH POSSIBLE FOR PARKING DOWNTOWN. ENFORCED REGULATIONS AND BY THAT THEY MEAN IMPLEMENT TWO TO THREE HOUR LIMITS. WE HAVE THE THREE HOUR LIMITS BUT WE'VE ALL ADMITTED THAT WE DON'T ENFORCE IT. RETAIN CITY PROPERTY FOR PARKING. WE'VE DONE THAT. WE DID THE WAYFARER SIGN. CONSIDER HOW THE -- A FEE-BASED SYSTEM. WE DID THAT WITH PAID PARKING IN THE CITY COMMISSION NEVER ADOPTED THAT. THEN THE TALK ABOUT OVERNIGHT PERMITS FOR LOTS C AND D WHICH WE DO PROHIBIT OVERNIGHT PARKING IN LOTS A AND B, WHICH WE DO.

IMPOSE TIME LIMITS AND FEES ON LOTS A AND B AGAIN PAID PARKING WHICH AGAIN THE CITY COMMISSION HAS NEVER EMBRACED. IMPLEMENT RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS. THE CITY HAS NEVER DONE THAT AND THEY HAVE ALSO SAID CONNECT STREET . PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT BROOME STREET WHICH WE HAVE NEVER DONE. THE BIG TAKE AWAY FROM THAT WAS WE NEED TO CONSTRUCT 1800 -- 18,000 FT.÷ OF 18 LINEAR SQUARE FEET OF SIDEWALKS SO WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND AM PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW WHO HAS READ THIS STUDY COMPLETELY LINE BY LINE, WERE GOING TO PAY THEM TO DO THE FOLLOWING, TO REVIEW STUDIES WHICH AS I JUST POINTED OUT, WE OFTEN IGNORE. WE ARE PAYING THEM TO TELL US WHERE THE PARKING IS. WE HAVE DONE THIS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. I CAN TELL YOU FOR EVERY PARKING SPACES IN THE CITY BECAUSE I WALKED THEM AND IF YOU WANT THE DATA I'VE ALREADY PRESENTED IT WE ARE PAYING THEM TO TELL US WHAT THE IMPACT OF OPENING ELANTRA STREET WOULD BE. I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE OPENING THE STREET WHETHER THEY TELL US OR NOT. WE ARE PAYING THEM TO TELL US WE NEED MORE SIDEWALKS. WELL, WE NEED MORE SIDEWALKS AND INSTEAD OF TAKING $50,000 WE SHOULD BE SPENDING THE 50,000 PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS. WE ARE PAYING THEM TO TELL US WE NEED TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON FRONT STREET. REALLY? I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT. WHY DO WE NEED A $50,000 STUDY TO SAY THAT? WE ARE PAYING TO EVALUATE THE STREETSCAPE PROJECT ON CENTER STREET SO WE'VE HIRED ENGINEERS TO COME UP WITH THE STREETSCAPE ON CENTER STREET THEN WE ARE HIRING DIFFERENT ENGINEERS TO LOOK AT THAT AND GIVE US, AND ON THE FIRST ENGINEERS SO WHICH ENGINEERS ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE? WE ARE PAYING THEM TO TELL US HOW THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATES. WE ALL KNOW HOW THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATES. WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM TO TELL WHETHER THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS -- THIS WAS THE FAVORITE. WHETHER THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE SYNCHRONIZED. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THOSE LIGHTS MORE THAN 1000 TIMES AND I'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO PAY $50,000 TO DO THAT.

ON TOP OF THAT, THE NORTH FLORIDA TPO HAS GIVEN THE CITY THE OPPORTUNITY UNTIL JANUARY TO GO WITH A COMPANY NAMED STK, WHICH WILL GIVE US TRAFFIC VOLUME ON EVERY STREET IN THE CITY AND TRAFFIC SPEEDS. WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST AVAIL OURSELVES OF THAT OPPORTUNITY INSTEAD OF SPENDING $50,000? WHAT I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SEE IS USING THIS MONEY TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF DOING ANOTHER STUDY AND PAYING FOR A STUDY TO TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW AND FUND THE SIDEWALK ON FRONT STREET IN THE DOWNTOWN AND EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT WE HEARD TONIGHT TESTIMONY ABOUT ON ELM STREET THAT THEY DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS AND KIDS ARE WALKING IN THE STREET. WHY DO WE USE THE $50,000 TO DO SOMETHING INSTEAD OF GETTING ANOTHER STUDY THAT IS GOING TO SIT ON THE TABLE AND WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT. WE DON'T NEED A PLAN. WE NEED TO DO AND SO I

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>> MISS GIBSON, HOW LONG DO WE LOOK AT THE STUDY ?

>> AT THIS POINT IT'S NOT RELEVANT.

>> DID WE USE IT BACK IN THE DAY?

>> YES, MANY STRATEGIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE

BECAUSE OF IT. >> COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT ANY OF

THE GOOD THAT CAME ? >> WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE CROSSING. THAT STUDY IN ITSELF WAS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THE RAILROAD AND AGREED TO PROCEED WITH THAT STUDY. IT IS A HUGE SUCCESS. WE HAVE IMPROVED SIDEWALK CONDITIONS NOT ONLY DOWNTOWN BUT ALONG FRONT STREET AND WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS AND PARKING AREAS THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA AS A RESULT .

>> THANK YOU, MISS GIBSON. >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT STUDY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US IMPROVING THE PARKING DOWNTOWN.

WHAT IT HAD TO DO WAS MR. WESSON GOING OUT AND FINDING PLACES TO PARK AND SO THIS STUDY IS ONCE AGAIN -- WE DON'T NEED A STUDY TO TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIX THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? RIGHT NOW THE MOTION ON THE FLOORS TO POSTPONE THIS. REAL QUICK, COMMISSIONER ANTUN, DESCRIBE YOUR MOTION ONE MORE TIME. IT IS TO POSTPONE THE VOTE UNTIL AFTER THE SINGER IS IT TO APPROVE THE STUDY AND POSTPONE IT?

>> GIVEN MISS GIBSON'S COMMENTS I WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN TENTATIVELY APPROVING BUT I SEE A LOT OF FAIR POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS MAKES AND IF WE ARE ON THE PRECIPICE OF AN ELECTION FOR A FUTURE COMMISSION SHOULD CHOOSE TO FOLLOW OR NOT FOLLOW RECOMMENDATIONS IT'S A FAIR POINT TO QUESTION IF THIS IS THE BEST SPEND OF OUR $50,000

RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT NOW THAN WE ARE LOSING THE MONEY TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S THE MAIN THING SO WE ARE EITHER DOING THIS NOW OR THERE IS NO MONEY TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE UNLESS IT IS ALLOCATED IN 2025-26'S BUDGET.

>> THERE IS NOTHING IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS COMING

YEAR FOR THE STUDY. >> WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T USE THIS ? THE CITY STILL HAS ACCESS TO THOSE FUNDS?

>> THOSE FUNDS WOULD JUST NOT BE SPENT. WE HAVE LESS THAN SIX WEEKS LEFT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. THE FUNDS WOULD NOT BE SPENT.

>> I THINK IT'S A CLEAR DISTINCTION FIND OUT IF WE ARE SIMPLY NOT SPENDING MONEY VERSUS MONEY WOULD BE REMOVED FROM AN ACCOUNT THAT CANNOT BE USED.

>> NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS IF THE FUNDS ARE NOT SPENT, IT COMES TO THE NEXT YEAR AS REALLOCATED FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S OPERATING EXPENSES. IF WE ASSUMED IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE SPENT AND WE DID NOT PROJECTED IN THE 2024 PROJECTIONS, THE MONEY WOULD COME FORWARD AND IS REALLOCATED FOR OTHER OPERATING EXPENSES IN THE GENERAL FUND.

>> FAIR ENOUGH SO WE ARE REALLOCATING MONEY . WE ARE NOT

LOSING $50,000. >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR

YOU. >> YOU CAN SIMPLY SUGGEST YOUR MOTION AND SAY WE WANT TO EARMARK THIS MONEY FOR AN OPTION TO PUT IT INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND THEN JUST WAIT UNTIL THIS HAPPENS AND DO IT.

>> MY QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. GLISSON, WAS -- JUST LIKE MOST ITEMS THAT WE VOTE ON TO SPEND MONEY, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAME UP WITH THAT NIGHT. THIS $50,000 WAS BUDGETED BASED ON OUR VOTES LAST YEAR. THIS IS A BUDGET ITEM. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THIS IS NOT A BUDGETED ITEM. THIS IS USING STAFF DOLLARS TO TAKE CARE OF A NEED THAT HAS NOT SURVIVED THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND IS NOT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THE EASY DOLLARS TO CUT WHEN WE ARE GETTING TO THE APPROPRIATE MILLAGE RATE ARE GOING TO BE STUDY DOLLARS. IT'S EASY TO TAKE OUT. THEY'RE NOT TANGIBLE THINGS THAT PEOPLE USE. TO COMMISSIONER ROSS ' POINT, PEOPLE WOULD RATHER SEE A SIDEWALK. THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS WHEN WE GO TO TAKE ANY ACTION WHETHER IT IS RELOCATING THE LIFT STATION, PUTTING A NEW SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE, THERE IS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE RESPONSES WELL, WE NEED MORE. WELL, THAT IS WHERE THESE STUDIES COME INTO BENEFIT. IT'S LIKE WE DO NEED THE EXPERTS, THE CONSULTANTS THAT SAY WE RECOMMEND DOING THIS FOR THIS REASON AND COMMISSIONER ROSS I KNOW WHY YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE VERY EXHAUSTIVE THOROUGH PARKING

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>> I HEAR YOU, AND HOW MANY YEARS HAS MS. GIBSON BEEN

ASKING FOR THE STUDY? >> 10 OR MORE.

>> THANK YOU. >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH ENGINEERING STUDIES, TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STUDIES.

F.THANKS RHODES'S LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR ONE THROUGH FIVE AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH IS THE BEST A SONG JUST GOING TO SAY ONE IS THE BEST AND FIVE IS THE WORST. THE ONE WITH THE WAY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT, THE WAY F. -- S DOT LOOKS AT IT, WHAT WE WANT THE CITY TO DO IS HAVE A RATING OF FIVE AND WHEN YOU SLOW DOWN CARS YOU KEEP PEDESTRIANS ALIVE. WE HAVE A WALKABLE CITY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO WALK. WE HAVE LOTS OF KIDS WALKING AROUND, TOURISTS WALKING AROUND, OLD FOLKS WALKING AROUND AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IS A LEVEL SERVICE OF ONE WHICH IS WHAT THE CIRCULATION STUDIES ALWAYS COME UP WITH IS A WILL HERE'S HOW YOU CAN IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW. I DON'T CARE ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW. WHAT I AM INTERESTED IN IS PEOPLE FLOW. I'M INTERESTED IN PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS AND I'M INTERESTED IN WALK ABILITY AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS STUDY GIVES US AND THAT IS MY TOTAL PROBLEM WITH IT SO WERE GOING TO GET TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WERE GOING TO TELL US THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B IN A CAR, NOT PEOPLE WALKING AND WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND MOVE OVER AND THEY'LL DO IT, PEOPLE DON'T GET HIT, AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, SO WE ARE TRYING TO HIRE AN ENGINEER TO TELL US HOW TO MAKE CARS MOVE FASTER WHEN THAT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS A COMMUNITY AND SO I AM SO OUTRAGED WITH THIS. IF YOU WANT TO DO A STUDY, GET A GROUP OF COMMUNITY PEOPLE JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH THE WALKOVER'S.

THEY GIVE YOU THE BOOKS. WALK ABILITY. THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF BOOKS ON HOW TO DO THIS STUFF. IT IS NOT HARD, AND APPLY IT TO OUR CITY. WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND $50,000 FOR A TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO TELL US HOW TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B

IN A CAR FASTER. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET NOW, IT IS BEEN ALLOCATED FROM STAFF PAY. WHEN IT ROLLS OVER IS IT ROLLING OVER INTO STAFF PAY, OR THERE IS A $50,000 SURPLUS THAT ROLLS OVER IN THE REGULAR

ROLLOVER? >> THOSE POSITIONS ARE BUDGETED IN NEXT YEAR, SO IT WILL BE

>> RIGHT. >> RIGHT, SO IT WON'T BE ACCESSIBLE UNLESS SALARIES ARE MET YOU KNOW IN OTHER WRDS WE ARE SHORT STAFFED AND THERE IS EXTRA MONEY NEXT YEAR.

>> YES. THAT WAS MY POINT. SO THAT WAS MY POINT. NOW OR NEVER. IT'S NOT HAPPENING UNLESS WE DO IT NOW.

>> ALL RIGHT SO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SPOKEN ON THIS. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION THAT DELAYS IT . LET ME JUST EXPLAIN MYSELF ON THIS, I PERSONALLY AM AN ENGINEER. IT IS WHAT I DO. IT IS MY DAY JOB AND THERE IS VALUE IN AN EFFICIENT STUDY THAT CAN BE DONE IN THIS GIBSON HAS BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR OVER A DECADE. IN FACT WHAT WE DID IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR AS MS. GIBSON HAD SOME GOOD PLANNING PROJECTS AND WE SLASHED IT. THAT IS WHAT WE DID. THIS MONEY IS WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NOW AND THE REASON IT IS HERE IS BECAUSE MS. GIBSON HAS BEEN RUNNING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT POSITIONS DOWN. SHE'S BEEN RUNNING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. SHE'S BEEN DOING GREAT WORK FOR THE CITY WITH LIMITED RESOURCES AND THE $50,000 REPRESENT THE LIMITED RESOURCES SHE DID NOT HAVE. THAT IS WHAT THIS REPRESENTS.

SHE'S COMING FOR US AND ASKING TO USE THOSE RESOURCES ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP HER DO HER JOB BETTER AND HELP THE CITY AND FOR THAT REASON THAT IS WHY I WILL SUPPORT THE STUDY IS BECAUSE THIS GIBSON IS USING THE RESOURCES IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON SOMETHING SHE SAYS SHE NEEDS AND I DO THINK THERE IS VALUE TO THIS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING AND I APPRECIATE THE PLAN DEPARTMENT FORGETTING THAT PLAN TOGETHER SO I'M GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS MOTION THAT DELAYS IT AND THEN GOING TO VOTE YES ON MOTION THAT WOULD APPROVE IT TONIGHT SO. WITH NO FURTHER

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>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN >> YES

>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES >> NO

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE >> NO

>> MAYOR BEAN >> NO. SO THAT FAILS. I HEAR

ANOTHER MOTION? >> MOVED TO APPROVE THE

RESOLUTION. >> SECOND. ANY FURTHER

DISCUSSION? >> YES, YOU ARE THREE FISCAL CONSERVATIVES YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND MONEY CAUTIOUSLY AND YOU ARE JUST KISSING THIS MONEY AWAY INSTEAD OF USING THIS MONEY $50,000 PUT IT IN THE SIDEWALKS, PUT IT INTO DOING SOMETHING. WE HAVE PLANS OUT THE KAZOO. WE HAVE SEVERAL LOADS OF PLANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ANOTHER 50 GRAND FOR A PLAN I DON'T KNOW HOW CAREFULLY YOU READ THIS BUT WORKING A PLAN TO SYNCHRONIZE THE LIGHTS ON EIGHTH STREET, REALLY? THIS IS JUST PREPOSTEROUS SO.

>> YOU ARE NOT A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE IF YOU'RE VOTING

FOR THIS, I'M SORRY. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

REST OF THE MAYBE BUT NOT THOSE TWO.

>> IT IS PRETTY NOT GOOD. I WILL SAY THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP JUST FINE. I MEAN MS. GIBSON IN HER OFFICE OF HAD A STRUGGLE FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR NOW. SHE'S HAD TO DO MORE WITH LESS. IF THE STUDY HELPS HER DO MORE WITH LESS , I AM FOR IT. IT REALLY IS JUST THAT. I MEAN HOPEFULLY IT WILL DO SOME GOOD , YOU KNOW. AGAIN, WE CONTINUALLY ATTACK MS. GIBSON'S BUDGET CONSTANTLY AND YET WE TURN AROUND AND ONE OF THE BIGGER COMPLAINTS WE HEAR IS ABOUT PLANNING IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, THAT IS -- BY AND LARGE THAT IS A GOOD AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET BACK TO US IS ABOUT PLANNING AND BUILDING. I MEAN, LET'S GIVE THEM THE TOOLS TO DO THE JOB. SO, THAT IS ALL I

HAVE. >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE

ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE

>> YES >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES

[5.7 AWARD OF ITB 24-19 AND BUDGET TRANSFER - ELECTRO-MECHANIC INDUSTRIES, INC. D/B/A VERMANA - RESOLUTION 2024-153 AWARDING INVITATION TO BID (ITB) 24-19 TO ELECTRO-MECHANIC INDUSTRIES, INC. DBA VERMANA FOR THE DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. RECREATION CENTER POOL RESURFACING; APPROVING A BUDGET TRANSFER; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Awards ITB 2024-19 to Electro-Mechanic Industries, Inc. D/B/A Vermana for resurfacing the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Recreation Center Pool in the amount of $77,035.25, and approving a budget transfer, in the amount of $48,000.00 for Project #24021.]

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> NO >>

>> YES. THAT PASSES 3-2. HEADING DOWN THE LINE. 24-19 AND BUDGET TRANSFER FOR ELECTRO-MECHANIC INDUSTRIES

INCORPORATED . >> RESOLUTION 2020 4153 AWARDING INVITATION TO BID ON A BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THE RESURFACING OF THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR RECREATIONAL CENTER POLE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS? >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY COMMISSION OR DISCUSSION?

>> LONG TIME COMING. IT'S GOOD.

>> I AGREE. LET'S CALL THE ROLE.

>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES >> YES

[5.8 FRANCHISE AGREEMENT - FERNANDINA BEACH MARKET PLACE - RESOLUTION 2024-154 APPROVING A NEW FIVE-YEAR FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH HARRELL LAND, LLC D/B/A FERNANDINA BEACH MARKET PLACE; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves a new five-year agreement with the current Saturday Farmers Market on 7th Street.]

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE >> YES

>> MAYOR BEAN >> YES THAT PASSES 5-0. ITEM EIGHT FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR THE FERNANDINA BEACH MARKETPLACE, THAT'S THE FARMERS MARKET.

>> IT IS A NEW FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT THAT WILL BEGIN JANUARY 1ST, 2025. THE CURRENT AGREEMENT EXPIRES AT THE END OF DECEMBER. THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THEY'RE INTERESTED IN ANOTHER FIVE YEARS AND WITH NO OBJECTIONS, WE DON'T SEE ANY REASON WE SHOULD NOT GIVE THEM ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. IT IS $1500 PER YEAR IS THEIR FRANCHISE

FEE. >> WE DO LOVE THE FARMERS MARKET. I HEAR A MOTION ON THE SECOND. ANY COMMISSION OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? SEEING NONE, A YES VOTE REAFFIRMS THAT FARMERS MARKET FOR FIVE MORE YEARS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. ITEM 6-1, ORDINANCES. FUTURE LAND USE MAP

[6.1 (Legislative) FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS - LOTS 2 AND 3, BLOCK 288 GUM STREET - ORDINANCE 2024-12 ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION (CON) FOR 0.46 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT LOTS 2 AND 3,BLOCK 288 GUM STREET TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 0.46 ACRES OF LAND; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests a change in Land Use Category from Medium Density Residential (MDR)/Industrial (IND) to Conservation (CON) for property located at Lots 2 and 3, Block 288 Gum Street.]

>> THREE, BLOCK 288 DOWN THE STREET TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 0.46 ACRES OF LAND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS FIRST READING BUT CERTAINLY WE

ALWAYS TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS? I HEAR A MOTION ON THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? I HAVE NO REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS BUT IF THERE IS ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS

[02:50:02]

-- OKAY. SEEING NONE -- >> THIS YOU VOTE ON. IT IS

[6.2 (Quasi-Judicial) ZONING MAP AMENDMENT - LOTS 2 AND 3, BLOCK 288 GUM STREET - ORDINANCE 2024-13 ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION (CON) FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT LOTS 2 AND 3, BLOCK 288 GUM STREET, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 0.46 ACRES OF LAND; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests a change in Zoning from Medium Density Residential (R-2)/Industrial (I-l) to Conservation (CON) for property at Lots 2 and 3, Block 288 Gum Street.]

LEGISLATIVE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN THAT CASE GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN >> YES

>> COUNTRY >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE >> YES

>> MAYOR BEAN >> YES THAT PASSES FIVE MINUTES

ZERO. >> I WILL JUST REAL QUICK SINCE WE HAVE A SMALL AUDIENCE WE ARE CONDUCTING A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY ORAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE OTHER THAN WHAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE PACKET THAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE ON THE RECORD. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE TITLE , AND IF THERE IS ANYBODY, MAYOR, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ASK IF THERE IS ANYBODY THAT IS WANTING TO SPEAK THAT THEY GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE OATH AND THEY CAN TESTIFY WITH NO LIMIT ON THEIR TIME.

>> IT IS ALMOST A COURT, WE ARE NOT A COURT BUT IT ACTS LIKE ONE HERE. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU DO NEED TO GET SWORN IN. IF ANYONE HERE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS, PLEASE MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN NOW AND YOU CAN DO IT LATER, TOO BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN RISING IT'S ONE AND. OF THEIR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ADDING THIS LAND TO OUR

CONSERVATION BILL? >> 2024-13 ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT LOTS TWO AND THREE, BLOCK 288 COME STREET TOTALING .46 ACRES OF LAND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. REMEMBER, WE DON'T PHOTIC FIRST READING, QUASIJUDICIAL.

[6.3 (Legislative) FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT - LOTS 14 AND 15, BLOCK 2 SADLER ROAD -ORDINANCE 2024-14 ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION (CON) FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTY LOCATED ON PORTIONS OF LOTS 14 AND 15 BLOCK 2, SADLER ROAD, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 0.57 ACRES OF LAND; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests a change in Land Use Category from Medium Density Residential (MDR) to Conservation (CON) for City-owned property at Lots 14 and 15, Block 2 at Sadler Road.]

>> CORRECT. IN THAT CASE THERE IS NO ONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS. IT IS OPEN FOR US TO SPEAK ON. SEEING NONE WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO 6.3 FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FOR LOTS 14 AND 15 OF BLOCK TWO SADLER ROAD.

>> ORDINANCE 2024-14 ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION FOR CITY-OWNED PROPERTY LOCATED ON PORTIONS OF LOTS 14 AND 15, BLOCK TWO, SADLER ROAD TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 0.57 ACRES OF LAND, PRODDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS LEGISLATIVE FIRST READING. YOU MAY VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT.

>> DO I HEAR A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND WAS NO

COMMISSION OR DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN

[6.4 (Quasi-Judicial) ZONING MAP AMENDMENT - LOTS 14 AND 15, BLOCK 2 SADLER ROAD - ORDINANCE 2024-15 ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION (CON) FOR CITY OWNED PROPERTY LOCATED AT LOTS 14 AND 15, BLOCK 2 SADLER ROAD, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 0.57 ACRES OF LAND; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests a change in Zoning from Medium Density Residential (R-2) with PUD to Conservation (CON) for City-owned property at Lots 14 and 15, Block 2 Sadler Road.]

>> YES >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> AS >> MAYOR BEAN

>> YES THAT PASSES 5-0. THE NEXT IS QUASIJUDICIAL SOMETHING ON BEFORE IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ADDING THIS ACREAGE TO THE CONSERVATION YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? SAYING THEN PLEASE TAKE US AWAY.

>> ORDINANCE 2024-15 ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION FOR CITY-OWNED PROPERTY LOCATED AT LOTS 14 AND 15 BLOCK TWO SADLER ROAD TOTALING APPROXIMATELY .57 ACRES OF LAND, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. YOU DON'T VOTE TONIGHT. WE WILL VOTE AT

THE NEXT AND FINAL READING. >> THAT'S CORRECT IS THERE ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION THAT WISHES TO COMMENT ON THIS?

>> I'LL MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT.

>> GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. >> LOOKS LIKE ALMOST ANOTHER ACRE OF CONSERVATION LAND, SOME FROM THE CITY. 1.03, SOME FROM A PRIVATE DONOR SO IT IS A WIN-WIN. ALSO TAXPAYERS ZERO

DOLLARS. THANK YOU. >> THIS TONIGHT YES ABSOLUTELY.

TONIGHT YES. >> TONIGHT. I WILL SAY THAT ADS IN . THIS COMMISSION HAS NOW ADDED OVER 8 ACRES TO THE

[6.5 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE (LDC) TEXT AMENDMENT - VEHICULAR ACCESS REQUIREMENTS - ORDINANCE 2024-16 AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 4.04.02 (E.) STANDARDS FOR SUBDIVISIONS GENERAL REQUIREMENT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Request to amend LDC Section 4.04.02(E) Standards for Subdivisions General Requirements to adjust vehicular access requirements to be consistent with standards established for Nassau County.]

>> ORDINANCE 2024-16 AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 4.0 4.02 SUB E STANDARDS FOR SUBDIVISIONS GENERAL REQUIREMENT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS A REGULAR OLD TEXT AMENDMENT SO YOU CAN VOTE ON A FINAL READING.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> AND COMMISSIONER COMMENTS ON THIS?

>> THIS JUST APPROVES WHAT MAKES THIS IN LINE WITH WHAT

THE COUNTY DOES. >> CORRECT.

>> IN THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED IT.

[6.6 MASTER FEE SCHEDULE - ORDINANCE 2024-17 ESTABLISHING AND AMENDING FEES FOR THE AIRPORT, BUILDING, BUSINESS SERVICES, CODE ENFORCEMENT, CEMETERY, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, FIRE, GOLF COURSE, MARINA, PARKS AND RECREATION, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION, POLICE, SANITATION, STORMWATER, STREETS, WASTEWATER, WATER, AND IMPACT FEES, EXCLUDING WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES FOR FY 2023/2024; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Establishes the FY2024-2025Master Fee]

>> CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT WITH THAT BEING

SAID LET'S CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN

>> YES >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES

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>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE

>> YES >> INTO

>> YES THAT PASSED 5-0. SIX, THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE.

>> ORDINANCE 2024-17 ESTABLISHING AND AMENDING FEES FOR THE AIRPORT, BUILDING, BUSINESS SERVICES, CODE ENFORCEMENT, CEMETERY, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, FIRE, GOLF COURSE, MARINA , PARKS AND RECREATION, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION, PLEASE, SANITATION, STORMWATER, STREETS, WASTEWATER, WATER AND IMPACT FEES EXCLUDING WATER AND SEWER IMPACT FEES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I'M GOING TO CORRECT THE TITLE. THESE ARE FEES FOR 2024-25, NOT 2023-24 SO WE WILL STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT IN THE TITLE BUT THIS IS A MASTER FEE SCHEDULE THAT IS PROPOSED TO TAKE EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST 2024 AND THOSE FEES WOULD BE EFFECTIVE THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH 2025 PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS? >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE FEES, ESPECIALLY FOR RESIDENT, NONRESIDENT AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A CLERICAL ERROR. DID WE CONFIRM THAT, AND

CORRECTED? >> YES, SIR. THERE WILL BE A FEW QUESTIONS ON THIS MASTER FEE SCHEDULE, SO I AM DOING WHAT I CAN TO PULL THAT UP. THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE TOUCHES EVERYTHING THE CITY CHARGES FOR SO THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED AND YOU WILL SEE THAT CHANGE AT THE SECOND READING. THERE HAS ALSO BEEN A COUPLE SCRIBNERS ERRORS OR POINTS OF CLARIFICATION THAT WE WILL ADDRESS AT THE NEXT READING, AS WELL, ADDITIONALLY SOME OF THE FEES PROPOSED FOR THE AIRPORT WILL BE GOING DOWN BEING REDUCED DUE TO RESTRICTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF INCREASING THOSE FEES. WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS 28 PAGE DOCUMENT IF YOU WANT TO LOOK UP AT SUCH A MYTH THAT -- AT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WILL BE MADE.

>> HERE ARE MY CONCERNS. THE FIRST ONE IS UNFORTUNATELY THE PAGES ARE NOT LABELED. AS HAS CODE ENFORCEMENT AND BUSINESS SERVICES RESORT RENTAL DWELLING PERMITS NEW APPLICATION AND ANNUAL FEES. THESE FEES HAVE NOT BEEN INCREASED. ONE WAS IT ORIGINALLY PASSED? IT HAS NOT BEEN INCREASED SINCE 2000. $300 I THINK FOR A NEW APPLICATION IS LOW AND $200 -- I WOULD INCREASE IT TO $1000 FOR A NEW APPLICATION OF $500 FOR AN ANNUAL RENEWAL. THE SECOND THING IS FOR THE MARINA I WOULD, AS I HAVE ADVOCATED IN THE PAST, THAT THEY BE ABLE TO SET THEIR OWN FEES. THEY KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT THE VIABILITY OF FEES THAN THE CITY COMMISSION. NUMBER TWO . THE SAME THING WOULD GO FOR THE GOLF COURSE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE VARIABLE FEE PRICES . THE BIGGEST PRICES -- QUESTION I HAVE REALLY THAT IS NOT ADDRESSED IS WE HAVE CITY RESIDENTS PAY ONE FEE AND NON-CITY RESIDENTS PAY ANOTHER OF MANY OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW WE WERE COMING UP WITH THOSE FEES AND WHETHER THE NONRESIDENT FEES SHOULD BE INCREASED. THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN GENERATING ENOUGH REVENUE TO COVER THESE THINGS AND GETTING NONRESIDENTS TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE BECAUSE CITY RESIDENTS SUPPLEMENT THIS WITH THEIR TAXES AND NON-CITY RESIDENTS DON'T. SO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ANALYSIS OR AT LEAST A DISCUSSION ON IF WE SHOULD BE CHARGING MORE FOR NONRESIDENTS WITH THAT. GOING TO -- THIS IS UNDER PLANNING AND CONSERVATION THERE IS A PARKING IN LEAFY . WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL YOU CAN PAY $2000 AND THAT'S RIDICULOUSLY LOW AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT DOES NOT COVER COSTS FOR PROVIDING PARKING SO THAT PARKING FEE AND LOU SHOULD BE

INCREASED. >> ONE BRIEF COMMENT. I WILL SECOND YOUR OPINION THAT THE GOLF COURSE AND MARINA SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET THEIR OWN FEES. I KNOW AS A BUSINESS OWNER HAVING SOMEONE ELSE TELLING ME THAT I COULD CHARGE WOULD MAKE IT VERY HARD TO RUN THE BUSINESS.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? THERE IS A SECOND READING SO KEEP IN MIND I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH STAFF. THESE ARE THINGS YOU CAN OF COURSE TALK TO STAFF. TO ANY ISSUES I HAD I SPOKE ABOUT A POOL. ANYTHING ABOUT THAT CAN BE COMMUNICATED.

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MR. GLISAN. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST ONE THING. I DON'T MIND SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT GOLF COURSE AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE ALTERED I THINK THE COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK AT IT BASED ON THE GOLF COURSE RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THEM FREE REIGN AND I THINK GOING FROM 300 TO 500 TO 1000 IS ALMOST LUDICROUS. I WENT TO AN INSPECTION TODAY FROM A SHORT-TERM OWNER THAT SAID THESE INSPECTIONS ARE RIDICULOUS. WHY DO I HAVE TO HAVE AN INSPECTION EVERY SINGLE YEAR? AND I SAID BECAUSE IT'S A CONCERN FOR LIABILITY. IT'S A CONCERN FOR HEALTH AND WELFARE SO HOWEVER I DISAGREE WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL DISCUSSION .

THE NORMAL FEES I THINK WE COULD GO OVER ONE-ON-ONE.

>> I WILL BE VOTING YES ON THIS MOTION TONIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION YET? DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS? I HEAR A MOTION ON THE SECOND. I WILL BE VOTING YES ON THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WILL CHANGE SLIGHTLY BEFORE SECOND READING BUT THIS CERTAINLY IS AN EXCELLENT FIRST DRAFT SO THANK YOU FOR STAFF TO PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. BEFORE WE VOTE OF COURSE WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS. MR. JOHN ABBOTT I BELIEVE STEPPED OUT. HE WAS HERE EARLIER. WE WILL GO TO MR. RICHARD DEAN.

WELCOME, MR. DEAN. >> GOOD EVENING. RICH DEAN, 4104 DUNE PLACE, FERNANDINA BEACH. I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO KEEP LOOKING HARDER AT SOME OF OUR FEE SCHEDULES . I WANT TO SINGLE OUT -- THIS MAY BE SMALL POTATOES BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE . WE GIVE AWAY A $50 PERMIT WHERE PEOPLE CHARGE 150, HUNDRED AND 25, HUNDRED AND 75 PER PERSON TO RIDE A HORSE ON A BEACH. WE HAVE HAD EXCHANGE WITH ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT THE HORSES LEAVE ON THE BEACH. THAT HAS GOTTEN BETTER. THERE IS ONLY ONE COMPANY RIGHT NOW BUT LAST WEEK , THERE IS A WHEN YOU'RE HAVING YOUR DOG , I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT $50 TO PEOPLE WHO DO RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY. YOU CHARGE THEM $1300 SO $50 FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS CHARGING 175 PER PERSON ON THE RIDES, YOU ARE GIVING AWAY TAXPAYER MONEY, SO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT

THAT, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, MR. DEAN. COME ON DOWN. MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A FORM.

>> THANK YOU. REAL QUICK, JOYCE TUTEN. I WILL BE A SUPER FAST.

I WOULD LOVE SOME OF THE AQUATIC SPACE TO BE LOOKED AT.

MY HUSBAND AND I USED THE REC CENTER A LOT. THE DISCOUNTED FEES , THE SWIM FEES DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE. FIVE DOLLARS FOR A RESIDENT BUT $60 FOR A 10 DAY PASS SO YOU ARE PAYING IF I CAN DO MATH, RIGHT, YOU'RE PAYING MORE TO GET A 10 DAY PASS WHEREAS NONRESIDENTS ARE GETTING A 25% DISCOUNT IF THEY GET A 10 DAY PASS AND THEN SAME WITH INDIVIDUAL VERSUS COUPLE VERSUS FAMILY. IF THE COUPLE GETS A PASS THEY ARE GETTING BY MY MOUTH ABOUT A 10% DISCOUNT BUT NONRESIDENTS GET A 30% DISCOUNT IF THEY GET A COUPLE PASS. THE FEE SCHEDULE HAS NEVER MADE SENSE TO US. WE STAND THERE AND CAN NEVER MAKE SENSE OF WHICH ONES ARE WISER TO PAY BUT THIS REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. ANYWAY JUST SAYING. THANKS.

>> THANK YOU, MISS TUTEN. WITH THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE THIS AND CONSIDER THIS. I THANK YOU FOR FILLING OUT A FORM. A YES VOTE APPROVES THE ROUGH DRAFT AND THERE WILL BE CHANGES AHEAD .

LOOK OUT FOR THAT EVERYBODY BACK AT HOME. WITH THAT LET'S

GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE

[7. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

[03:05:15]

>> YES >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ROSS

>> YES >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN

>> YES >> MAYOR BEAN

>> YES THAT PASSES 5-0. ITEM SEVEN PUBLIC COMMENT NOT

AGENDIZED ITEMS. COME ON UP. >> MY NAME IS RHONDA MCKEE. I LOOK AT 409 SOUTH FOURTH STREET AND IF YOU HAVEN'T MET ME YOU'VE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM ME REGARDING RUNOFF ON ADJACENT PROPERTY . NEXT TO ME IS A TWO-STORY HOME THAT WAS BUILT, BUILT THIS HIGH. ANYONE COULD SEE FROM THE BEGINNING HOW IT WAS SLANTED TOWARD MY PROPERTY . I TRIED TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR FOR A LONG TIME AND FINALLY AT THE END OF MAY HE TOLD ME NOT TO TALK TO HIM ANYMORE. THE CITY HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TRYING TO HELP ME. I'M NOT HERE TO CRITICIZE BUT THIS HAS BEEN -- MY HOUSE KEEPS GETTING FLOODED. THE CONTRACTOR SAID WELL, IT'S NOT GOING INSIDE, WHAT DOES IT MATTER? THIS IS MY LITTLE HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE, AND THIS IS MINE. I HAVE SAT WATCHING WATER COME IN THROUGH THE WINDOW AND HAVE CALLED THE CONTRACTOR AND HE SAID I'M BUSY, I CAN'T COME. I'M NOT TALKING TO THE CONTRACTOR ANYMORE. SOMETIMES THERE WAS A BIG BOMB WITH MUD ALL OVER MY PROPERTY . ANDRA HAS BEEN WONDERFUL .

BEFORE TRYING TO HELP. HE CONTACTS THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY DON'T DO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IS NOT JUST WATER THAT'S COMING ON MY PROPERTY. IT'S MUD, IT START. IT'S RUINING MY LIFE. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE IN MY HOUSE. I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF MY EMAILS WITH PICTURES BUT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THEM. PEOPLE SAID DON'T BE EMOTIONAL BUT THIS IS VERY EMOTIONAL, SO I PICKED OUT SOME WORDS THAT I USED TO THE CONTRACTOR AND TO THE CITY.

SOME OF THERE ARE UPSET, SCARED, HOLDING MY BREATH, NIGHTMARE, OUTRAGED. PLEASE COME. YOU CANNOT SEE THIS FROM THE ROAD. DEFEATED. I BEG YOU. I DON'T GET IT. I DON'T GET IT. TODAY MONDAY I CALLED THE CITY AND ASK FOR THE GL INFORMATION ON THE CONTRACTOR . THERE WAS A POLICY NUMBER WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE OF FEBRUARY, 2024 AND NO COMPANY AFORETHOUGHT WAS. YOU KNOW, THAT IS A PROBLEM. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN PLANS IN THE CONTRACTOR BOX . THAT IS A PROBLEM. THE DISREGARD FOR RESPECT TO THE CITY AND TO ME .

I DON'T HAVE WORDS. YOU KNOW, BIG HOUSES VERSUS LOW HOUSES, NEW CODES VERSUS OLD CODE YOU KNOW, THE CODE SAYS WATER CAN'T COME ON MY PROPERTY. BUT, IT HAS, 12 TIMES UP TO MY HOUSE. DO I HAVE MORALS IN MY WALLS, CAN I SELL MY HOUSE? I JUST WANT TO LEAVE AND CLOSE THE DOOR. THE ISSUE OF PLANS ON THE OUTSIDE OF BUILDINGS ARE THE LAST THING TO BE DONE .

TEMPORARY PLANS AND AGAIN, ANDRE HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO HELP WITH TEMPORARY PLANS AND SUPPOSEDLY IT'S NOT GOING TO FLOOD TONIGHT OR TOMORROW BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT, SO THE ISSUE FROM TEMPORARY TO PERMANENT PLANS I THINK IS A BIG ISSUE WITH THE CITY AND CERTAINLY GENERAL LIABILITY ISSUE IS A BIG CONCERN FOR ME, AS WELL AS CONTRACTOR PLANS. IT IS NOT ALL STORM WATER ISSUES AND AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE TO CRITICIZE. I WOULD LIKE TO HELP, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I FEEL PATRONIZED BY THE CONTRACTOR AND YOU HAVE SEEN MY HOUSE . COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS SEEN MY HOUSE AND YOU HAVE CONTACTED ME. WHAT DO I DO? IT'S A MESS. THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN A MESS AND IT IS A MESS. SO. THAT'S WHAT I THINK I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. GLISAN TO COME UP HERE AND I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT THIS. I WANT TO THANK ANDRE THROUGH YOU. I KNOW FOR A

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>> WITH DUE RESPECT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IS THAT WE DO BUILDING CODE AND THIS ISN'T THE BUILDING CODE. THIS IS STORMWATER. IT'S NOT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT . THEY HAVE NO POWER OVER THIS. AM I

CORRECT? >> THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, COMMISSIONER ROSS AND MISS MCKEE, THE IS SET THE OPTIONS WE HAVE AVAILABLE IS TO PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON THE CONTRACTOR. THAT DOES NOT HELP US WITH THIS PERFECT STORM WE HAVE FOR CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON. WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF RAIN BETWEEN STORM DEBBIE AND ON BOTH SIDES OF IT AND THE STORMWATER ASPECT OF CONSTRUCTION IS THE LAST DETAIL, SO WE CAN PUT A STOP WORK ORDER , HE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THE CORRECTIVE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THE CODE REQUIRES THAT HIS NUCLEAR STRUCTURE -- NEW CONSTRUCTION IS AN ELEVATED BILL THAT IS BELOW GRADE. IT HAS POINTED TO A WHOLE IN THIS PROCESS THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO SO AS COMMISSIONER ROSS MENTIONED, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS LIMITED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO BECAUSE WE CAN STOP OR WE CAN SAY CONTINUE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE LITERALLY GONE ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY TO WORK WITH MISS MCKEE TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE ANY FURTHER DAMAGE SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WE HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED THIS EVER BUT IT IS AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY.

>> HOW ABSOLUTE? MAYBE VICE-MAYOR STURGES WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I WOULD BUT HOW ABSOLUTE IS A STOP WORK ORDER? IS A STOP WORK ORDER STOP ALL THE WORKER CAN I SELECTIVELY APPLY A STOP WORK ORDER BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO STOP ALL THE WORK ON THE INTERIOR OF THIS HOUSE UNTIL THEY FIX THE OUTSIDE . WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM WE ARE SERIOUS.

THEY SIMPLY CAN'T BE DOING THIS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND I THINK THAT IS -- IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN DO? I NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THE TOOLBOX HERE. CAN WE PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON THE BUILDING AND SAY THEY HAVE TO FIX THE WATER ISSUES FIRST?

>> ANDRE HAS HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR. THERE IS NO FURTHER WORK UNTIL THESE TEMPORARY ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR TEMPORARY REMEMBER THIS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION SO THEY CANNOT DO THE MASTER FINAL STORMWATER REPORT THAT IS NECESSARY TO MEET FINAL INSPECTION SO THOSE MEETINGS HAVE HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES . YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO

THAT? >> YES. AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION . THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE, NOT AS RESPONSIVE AS WE WOULD LIKE BUT WE HAVE TRIED DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. SOMETIMES THEY ADDRESSED ONE PROBLEM, CREATED ANOTHER PROBLEM SO YOU KNOW, THE SITUATIONS STARTED OUT AS A SWALE THAN IT WAS A BERM THAN IT WAS YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND THE PROBLEM AT THE END OF THE DAY IS THE PROPERTY FLOODING IS LOWER THAN THE ROAD AND WE ARE -- I THINK WE HAVE A SOLUTION.

I THINK IT IS IN PLACE. THE CITY HAS STEPPED IN AND DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FACILITATE THAT SO I THINK WE ARE NEARING A RESOLUTION. THE DAMAGE TO MISS MCKEE'S PROPERTY WE HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IS GOING TO BE RESTORED BEFORE THE END OF CONSTRUCTION. ALL THE GRAVEL AREA THAT WAS INUNDATED WITH MUD THAT'S GOING TO BE RESTORED. THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE DONE. OUR PRIMARY HAS BEEN TO GET THE FLOODING STOPPED SO I THINK WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. WITH THE NEXT RAIN, THAT WILL TELL US. AND AS FAR AS THE PARTIAL STOP WORK ORDER, THAT IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL QUESTION. I HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. USUALLY, IT IS ALL OR NOTHING AND USUALLY IT IS A PLANNED REVISION ISSUE. IF IT'S A STOP WORK ORDER YOU NEED TO REVISE THE PLANS. IN THIS CASE, I HAVE REDESIGNED THE STORMWATER SYSTEM FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO FACILITATE IT'S GETTING DONE PROPERLY RATHER

[03:15:09]

SO THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. >> UNDERSTOOD. I SAW ONE OF THE INITIAL FIXES WAS A TRENCH DUG FROM THE SIDE YARD TO THE NEAR DRAIN. I SAW THAT WHEN I WAS OUT THERE. NOW I SAW THAT THE DRAINS ON THE ROAD AND I KNOW WE FILLED IN THE DITCH. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THREE YEARS AGO WE DID THIS. I SAW THE BUILDUP OF WATER WAS NOT GOING IN TO THE DRAINS AND SO THE WATER WOULD HAVE TO BE A HIGHER LEVEL TO GO INTO THE DRAINS TO GO

INTO THE NEIGHBORING DITCH. >> THAT WAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT FIRST VERSION AND WHAT IT IS A LOT OF WATER FROM THE ROAD INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE DRAIN CAME INTO THE SIDE DOOR SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE INITIAL PROBLEMS. TO FIX THAT, WHAT WE HAVE HAD THE CONTRACTOR WE'VE DIRECTED THEM TO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FLOW OVERLAND TO THAT INLAND LIKE YOU SAID YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T GET THERE SO WE HAVE TOLD THEM THEY NEED TO TIE DIRECTLY INTO THE STRUCTURE WITH A PIPE AND THAT IS KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THIS CONTRACTOR'S COMFORT ZONE SO I HAD OUR STAFF GO INSTALL THAT PIPE , STUB OUT THE CONNECTION POINT TO MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A PIPE STUB OUT IN A PERFORATED PIPE IN THE GRAVEL KELLY WILL TYPE OF SITUATION AND EVERYTHING IS GRADED TO THAT TO PROVIDE THAT POSITIVE FLOW TO GET THAT WATER OUT OF THERE SO IT IS NOT BUILDING UP IN CREATING THIS FLOODING

SITUATION. >> I UNDERSTAND SO WITH THAT SYSTEM IN MIND AND YOUR EXPERT OPINION , BY THE NEXT -- SO, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE EXACERBATED BY TROPICAL STORM DEBBIE COMING THROUGH . IF THERE WAS ANOTHER SUCH RAIN EVENT, THIS WOULD DO A BETTER JOB OF MOVING THE WATER THAN

WHAT WAS CURRENTLY THERE? >> ABSOLUTELY AND THE RECENT WORK THIS WEEK THE CONTRACTORS PUT UP GUTTERS WHICH WILL BE TIED IN UNDERGROUND WERE PACKED IN AN INFILTRATION SYSTEM THAT WILL THEN TIE IN THE INLET SO IT'S NOT GOING TO RELY ON OVERFLOW. EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE PIPED TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THERE AS EFFICIENTLY AS PROPERTY.

>> IS YOUR PROPERTY FLOODED RIGHT NOW? THANK YOU. IF IT'S

NOT RAINING RIGHT NOW. >> I ALMOST DIDN'T COME BECAUSE RAIN WAS FORECASTED TONIGHT AND I HAVE TO PUT THINGS NEXT TO MY HOUSE EVERY TIME IT RAINS.

>> THANK YOU, MISS MCKEE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY TO MAKE THIS RIGHT AND YOU HAVE OUR COMMITMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS RIGHT FOR YOU, MISS MCKEE.

>> ANDRE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A GRAVITY COLLECTION SYSTEM THAT YOU'VE DESIGNE, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> PER MY DISCUSSION I'VE HAD EMAILS. I HAVE NOT GONE OUT THERE AND SEEN IT BUT I KNOW YOU WERE ATTENDING TO THE SITUATION SO IF THE GRAVITY-FED SYSTEM ON THE PROPERTY IS LOWER IN ALL OF THE WATERS GOING TO THE GRAVITY FED SYSTEM WE CAN PUT A STOP WORK ORDER ON THEM TO STOP WORK HOWEVER THE CASE MAY BE . IS THERE ANY REASON WE CAN'T GO TO THAT CONTRACTOR OTHER THAN PUTTING A STOP WORK ORDER ON THEM SAYING WE WANT TO REQUIRE YOU TO FINISH THAT SIDE OF THE LANDSCAPE TEMPORARILY SO THAT THE WATER BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY, IF THERE IS NOT GRASS OR IF THERE IS NOT SOME SORT OF COLLECTION IN THE SYSTEM , IT IS CAUSING A PROBLEM, CORRECT? AM I LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY JUST FROM A LAYMAN'S TERM? BECAUSE ALL THAT DIRT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IT MOVES AROUND WITH HEAVY

RAINS, RIGHT? >> YES.

>> YES BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY THE WATER BUILDING ON 411 FLOODING THE PROPERTY. IT IS WATER FROM HER PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ABLE TO GET OUT DUE TO THE GRADE CHANGES SO THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE STARTED OUT ADDRESSING THE WATER COMING OFF THE PROPERTY. WE DIVERTED IT BUT THEN IN DOING SO WE DAMMED UP THE WATER ON HER PROPERTY

THAT WAS CAUSING AN ISSUE. >> SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW COME THE CITY CAN'T STEP IN AND ADD COLLECTIVE BRAINS ON

THOSE LOWER AREAS ? >> THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN I PROVIDED TO THE CONTRACTOR IS BOTH DEALING WITH THEIR WATER AND PROVIDING A PIPE CONNECTION TO MISS MCKEE'S YARD.

>> IF THOSE DRAINS DON'T WORK, AT A PUMP SYSTEM.

>> THAT MAY BE AN OPTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT. YOU KNOW, WE DID -- THAT SYSTEM DURING THE PEAK

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>> SO WE HAVE PROBLEMS -- >> THIS WAS COMPOUNDED BY A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GOING IN. I KNOW I'VE DEALT WITH THE PROBLEM SIMILAR TO THIS AND WE HAD TO END UP GOING TO A PUMP SYSTEM TO FINALLY CURE THE PROBLEM HOWEVER KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK, ANDRE. I THINK THE COLLECTORS NEED TO BE ADDED IF THAT'S THE NEXT STEP AND IF WE HAVE TO DO IT I'M SURE THAT WHETHER THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO DO IT OR WE HAVE TO FORCE

SOMEBODY THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. >> AM GOING TO REACH OUT AND TRY TO GET A FIRM SCHEDULE ON THE COMPLETION OF THE SYSTEM.

DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> I'VE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY AND IT IS NOT JUST MISS MCKEE'S PROPERTY THAT IS FLOODING. IT'S FLOODING ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AS WELL, SO IS THERE A PERMANENT FIX TO THIS? MY QUESTION IS I UNDERSTAND WE ARE UNDER THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS BUT ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP FLOODING FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE IS THE CONTRACTOR GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT

PERMANENTLY? >> I BELIEVE THE PLAN WE HAVE PROVIDED WILL COME PERCENT. THIS IS A CASE WHERE EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN ISSUE, WE LOOK AT OUR PROCESS, WE LOOK AT OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR DRAINAGE AND BASED ON RECENT ISSUES , WE HAVE RAISED THE STANDARD. WE HAVE RAISED OUR STANDARDS FOR REVIEW. THIS IS ONE THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT DID NOT HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THOSE HIGHER STANDARDS SO WE REALIZED QUICKLY THAT WHAT WAS PLANNED DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH DETAIL TO TRULY MEET THE NEEDS OF THAT. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH IS GOING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE PERMANENTLY. IT IS A MATTER OF GETTING IT THERE, GETTING ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, GETTING IT INSTALLED AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE TIMEFRAME THAT THIS HAPPENS AND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING GENERATING RUNOFF BUT THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS INCOMPLETE TO ADDRESS IT.

>> MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE MISS MCKEE IS MADE WHOLE ON THIS AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT WE NEED EVERYTHING TO BE FIXED BY THE TIME THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS OVER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE CHARGES ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE SO YOU MENTIONED THE NEW SYSTEM YOU DESIGNED IS GOING IN. THAT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE CONTRACTOR, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> YES, AND THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY ON THEIR BEHALF, WE WILL BE BILLING THEM FOR THAT WORK. WE STEPPED INTO ACT AS THE CONTRACTOR SINCE THEY DID NOT HAVE AVAILABILITY .

>> EXCELLENT THEN FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT IS THE WORK THAT WILL BE DONE TO REPAIR MISS MCKEE'S YARD, THAT WILL ALSO

BE BORNE BY THE CONTRACTOR? >> YES, SIR. THAT WILL BE

REQUIRED BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL. >> SO THEY WON'T GIVE THEIR OCCUPANCY WITHOUT FIXING HER YARD. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT HAPPENS. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. GOOD. APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT.

>> I FEEL REALLY BAD FOR THE OWNER. I THINK SHE PROBABLY THINKS I'M THE BAD GUY AND IT'S A VERY AWKWARD SITUATION AND ANOTHER REASON WHY I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE . IT'S NOT

HER FAULT. >> THANK YOU, MISS MCKEE AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT FROM VISITING YOUR PROPERTY OR NOT THE BAD GUY. LET'S CALL MISS SHEILA COVEY.

>> THANK YOU. SHEILA COKIE 1553 AND GO STRAIGHT. I WANTED TO PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT MY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BIOETHANOL PLANT. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY FOR A STOP BUT I THINK I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THEY EXPLAINED TO ME WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO RETROFIT, AND THE NUMBERS THAT THEY WERE SPENDING TO DO THIS PROJECT. IT'S ONLY WORTHWHILE IF THEY CAN DO THE BIOETHANOL PROCESS. ONE OF THE THINGS THE COMMENTS THAT I MADE TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE WITH ME WAS THAT IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PROJECT, NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT, WHY ON

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SHE WAS OUT DIRECTING TRAFFIC TODAY SO SHE MIGHT NEED SOME HELP FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. LET'S GET PETE STEVENSON TO THE

PODIUM. >> PETE STEVENSON 1627 HIGHLAND DUNES WAY , FERNANDINA BEACH. I'M INVOLVED WITH THE SERVICE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH SCOTT SINCE BEFORE SCOTT TOOK ON THE JOB HE TOOK ON , THE IDEA BEING TO DO SOME EXPANSION OF THE STREET PARK AS WE KNOW IT TODAY. HE GOT THE MONEY AND BASICALLY I THINK GOT ALL THE RAMPS REDONE WITHIN THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. SO THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH JUST RESTING OUT. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN CURRENTLY IN CONTACT WITH I THINK HIS NAME IS NICHOLS.

HE'S GOT THE 501(C)(3) FOR THE SKATE PARK. THEY'RE COMING BACK AGAIN TO LOOK AROUND FOR DIFFERENT SERVICE CLUBS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE FUNDING SO WE ARE BACK INTO THAT DISCUSSION AGAIN. I AM GETTING A LOT OF PHONE CALLS SO THIS IS MORE JUST A HEADS UP TO THE COMMISSION. PEOPLE ARE CALLING ME SAY NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE SKATEBOARD PARK. IT'S GOING TO BE WITH THE LIGHTING, THE NOISE, THE BIG QUESTION, WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK THAT COME TO WATCH THE SKATE PARK EVENTS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ON OUR FINAL PLAN. RIGHT NOW I THINK THE PLAN WE HAVE ANY THINK WE HAVE MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR TO DO ANOTHER UPGRADE ON THE DESIGN, OR IS THAT PIECE IN THERE? I THINK WHAT YOU AS A COMMISSION REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON IS THE FACT THAT I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON SKATEBOARD PARK SIZES. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF WHAT I WILL CALL RELIABLE INFORMATION SO BUT I HAVE GOTTEN ESTIMATES WHERE IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM A 500 TO 1000 CAR EVENT . THERE IS NOT ROOM FOR 1000 CARS AT CENTRAL PARK OR MAIN BEACH. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN CENTRAL PARK. MAIN BEACH. I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT THAT INTO OUR THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT.

I AM ABSOLUTELY FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SKATE PARK TO

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THERE IS VERY LIMITED LIGHTING THERE RIGHT NOW. THERE IS SOME BUT IT IS NOT A BIG GLOWING AMBER AND THE QUESTION OKAY BUT YOU WILL NEED MORE RESTROOMS OVER THERE SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS GOING ON AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND I DON'T KNOW MAYBE IT IS THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL TEAM OR SOMETHING THAT COMES TOGETHER TO NIP THE RUMOR MILL AND AT LEAST KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL SO LET'S I DON'T WANT TO SEE US KILL THE PARK FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS OR NOT DO SOMETHING BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNICATIONS ARE CLEAR SO THAT WAS MY SERMON FOR THE NIGHT.

>> THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. THANK YOU. I WILL JUST TWO THINGS THAT I KNOW ABOUT . DO YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT? I WILL SAY I KNOW TWO THINGS ABOUT THIS. I MET WITH FRIENDS OF THE SKATE PARK . BY GOING WITH THIS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION, IT WILL BE QUIETER SO THAT SHOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. CURRENTLY IT IS NOISY BUT BY HAVING CONCRETE THAT IS A BIG WIN AND WE ARE IN THE CITY AND OUR NEW BUDGET WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE HIS $90,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF THE SKATE PARK. IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $1 MILLION SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT.

>> I JUST HAD ONE QUICK UPDATE WE HAD TWO OF THE RAMPS THAT ARE CURRENTLY FIXED. THEY DID TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE WANTED THEM TO. WE ARE ROLLING THAT MONEY INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. THE PLAN IS TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR AFTER THE NEXT SKATE COMPETITION TO GET HIM IN THERE TO DO TWO MORE RAMPS RIGHT AFTER THAT SO WE ARE NOT COMPLETELY DONE WITH THAT BUT WE ARE WE DO HAVE THE MONEY AND IT WILL BE -- WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT SO I JUST WANTED TO LET THAT'S WHERE WE

ARE WITH THAT. >> APPRECIATE THAT. HE'S

[8. INTERIM CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

>> NEW SIDEWALKS AND CURBING WILL BE INSTALLED ON NORTH SEVENTH STREET STARTING NEXT WEEK. WE ARE LAYING THE FRAMEWORK FOR PROVIDING A SIDEWALK TO IMPROVE WORKABILITY IN THE DOWNTOWN IN THAT AREA AND PROVIDING THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE WIDENING AND PAVING OF THAT ROAD TO BRING IN 28 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES TO FOLLOW UP OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT GETTING THAT UNDERWAY AND WE ARE IN TALKS FOR THE FARMERS MARKET AND METHODIST CHURCH ANNULMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT. CITY STAFF IS LOOKING AT HOLDING A TOWN HALL MEETING NEXT THURSDAY. SHORT NOTICE. WE ARRIVED AT THIS DECISION THIS EVENING. AUGUST 29TH TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND USERS OF CENTRAL PARK ON THE RELOCATION GOING FORWARD SO AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING YOU ALL CAN BE BETTER INFORMED ON MAKING THE DECISION LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED BUT WE WILL WORK TO GET THIS SET UP SO WE CAN BRING ALL THOSE THAT USE THE PARK , ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PARK TO ONE LOCATION AND LET'S TALK THROUGH THE TOP COURTS GOING THERE AND HOW THAT WILL IMPACT EVERYBODY AND WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO BRING TO YOU ALL THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING AND WANT TO QUICKLY APPLAUD MISS KIM RILEY, DEPUTY CITY CLERK, ON HER 20 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE CITY. HER ANNIVERSARY WAS

THIS MONTH. >> QUICK QUESTION. THAT IS THE A STREET IMPROVEMENTS. WHEN ARE THOSE PROJECTED TO BE DONE?

>> THE SIDEWALK WORK SHOULD BE FINISHED LATER THIS WEEK AND PAVING HAS BEEN MOVED. WE WILL BE OPENING IT BACK UP BUT IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO THIRD WEEK IN SEPTEMBER.

>> GOT IT AND THAT IS A QUICK PAVE,

>> THAT IS A QUICK PAVE, TWO BLOCKS IN THE AREA WE HAVE ADDED TO EXPAND PARKING THERE SO WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN EVERYTHING UP AND OPEN IT BACK UP WITH PAVING FOR THE

>> AREAS YOU WILL SEE ABOUT THREE WEEKS OUT.

>> IT'S ALREADY LOOKING GOOD.

>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT. I WANTED TO COMPLEMENT CITY STAFF BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM WORKING SO DILIGENTLY ON THAT. IT'S JUST AN OVERALL SEAMLESS PROJECT. I

APPRECIATE YOU, JEREMY. >>

>> I WAS GOING TO ALLOW IT BUT IT WENT TOO LONG SO SORRY. WITH

[11. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CITY CLERK. ALL RIGHT AND COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> TODAY WAS A SAD DAY IN MY CONDOLENCES TO CHARLIE GEORGE'S FAMILY. HE'S GOING TO BE GREATLY MISSED BY MYSELF,

CITY STAFF AND THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER

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ANTUN. >> I DON'T THINK I COULD SAY ENOUGH TO ECHO THOSE CONDOLENCES. I DON'T THINK THE IMPACT HAS HIT US YET HOW MUCH IS GOING TO MEAN TO NOT HAVE CHARLIE HERE SO MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> CONDOLENCES TO CHARLIE'S FAMILY AND YOU KNOW HE WAS ALWAYS LOOKING. HE WAS VERY DEDICATED TO THE CITY AND THE WORK THAT HE DID AND IT SHOWED. YOU COULD SEE IT AND EVERYTHING IN EVERY WAY HE CARRIED HIMSELF AND HE WAS ABOUT PEOPLE. HE LOVED TO HELP PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY HE DID THE JOB. THAT IS WHY HE DID IT HERE IN THE CITY. HE WANTED IT TO BE A BETTER PLACE FOR PEOPLE AND YOU COULD JUST SEE THAT AND HE WILL BE MISSED.

>> THANK YOU. VICE-MAYOR STURGES.

>> I THINK CHARLIE EMBODIED THE CITY AND WHAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR IN ANY CITY EMPLOYEE. EAT SLEEP, BREATHE THE CITY AND ENJOYED WORKING HERE. SO HE WILL BE SORELY MISSED . MY CONDOLENCES TO HIS FAMILY. CHARLIE WAS A MAJOR ASSET TO

THE CITY . THANK YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE THINKING ALSO OF THE FAMILY OF ROY BYRD TONIGHT. HE PASSED AWAY AND WISHING HIS FAMILY ALL THE PRAYERS. WE APPRECIATE THEM.

THEN I ALSO WE STARTED OFF MISS CHARLIE SO THANK YOU GO

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