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[6.1 CRA PLAN UPDATE]
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>> ANY UPDATE ON WHAT THE PLAN IS AS FAR AS GETTING THE DOCUMENT DONE BY A CONSULTANT. SO I THINK WE WILL LOOK TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD THE WAY WE HAVE, AT LEAST AT THE HIGH LEVEL AGAIN AND WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT, AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN THERE. JAKE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD IT THERE?
>> IF SHE IS ABLE TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN UPDATE AND SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, I WILL ASK HER AND
THEN KEEP IT APPRISED FOR WHATEVER I LEARNED. >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW
[6.2 115 S. 2ND STREET]
WELL IN ADVANCE OF OUR NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NEEDING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON OR NOT. AND THEN, LET'S SEE. 115 SOUTH SECOND STREET. SO THIS IS THE BUILDING ON SECOND STREET THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME. AND I WAS ASKED TO SEND A LETTER TO THE COMMISSION, RECOMMENDING THAT THEY LOOK AT IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT IS NOW BACK ON THE MARKET AND AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE. AND THEY LOOK AT PURSUING ALTERNATIVE FINANCING FOR IT. WHICH COULD INCLUDE PUBLIC / PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OR OTHER CREATIVE METHODS. I DID RECEIVE COMMENTS BACK FROM TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AND ONE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING IT, AND THE OTHER ASKING IF WE HAD ANY OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUILDING.NOTHING REALLY CAME OUT OF THAT. SO I DO NOT KNOW IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEP.
TO THE CITY COMMISSION? SURE. >> OH, NICE. NOTHING IS ATTACHED.
>> CHIP ROSS THE, WEST THIRD STREET. IT WAS EITHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS OR DURING THE MANAGERS REPORT, I BROUGHT THAT UP . I BROUGHT UP THE RECOMMENDATION. I ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST, AND THERE WAS DEAD SILENCE. AND THEY SEEMED NOT INTERESTED AT
ALL. >> I MEAN, WHY DO YOU THINK? >> WHY DO I THINK? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY THINK. THEY DID NOT ARTICULATE THEIR THOUGHT. BUT I DID BRING IT UP AND I DID SAY THAT YOU RECOMMENDED IT. AND I SAID THAT WE COULD DO ALTERNATIVE FINANCING, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THERE WAS RESOUNDING SILENCE. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE TAPE.
>> INTERESTING. >> SO I DO NOT THINK THAT WILL GET VERY FAR.
>> WELL, YEAH. I WOULD AGREE, BUT IF WE STILL WANT TO PURSUE IT, I THINK MAYBE THERE IS MORE
WE NEEDED TO DO AND TALK ABOUT. >> BUT THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER
COULD TALK ABOUT IT. >> NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
DISCUSSING THE 115 SOUTH SECOND STREET. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE AT LEAST CONSIDERED AS POTENTIAL. BECAUSE IT IS IN A GREAT LOCATION, AS FAR AS PROXIMITY TO CITY HALL AND DOWNTOWN. BUT THERE WAS NO GENERAL INTEREST THAT CAME BACK FROM THE COMMISSION. I HAD HEARD FROM TWO OF THEM. YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY WAS NO INTEREST IN PURSUING IT. AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID HE ALSO BROUGHT IT UP DURING THIS COMMISSION MEETING AND THERE WAS NO INTEREST, OR NO REAL RESPONSE. SO, DID YOU HAND US
THIS FOR A REASON? >> THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY PARKING SPACES
WE WOULD ADD IF WE DID THAT. >> 65. >> MAY I?
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>> YES, PLEASE. >> I AM CONFUSED BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN SO MUCH FEEDBACK, REALLY, ONLINE HERE, EVERYWHERE, FOR EVERYTHING WE SAY AND EVERYONE IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING. SO I THINK I AM JUST CONFUSED. BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO HELP FIX THE PROBLEM. AND IF PEOPLE
DO NOT EVEN WANT TO LOOK INTO IT -- >> IS IT JUST A MONEY ISSUE? OR
ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES ASSOCIATED? >> ARE YOU HEARING ANYTHING,
JEREMIAH? >> YES, JEREMIAH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER. YES. A LOT OF IT IS A FUNDING ISSUE RIGHT NOW. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, WE ARE GOING THROUGH MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE, WHICH PROVIDES FOR INCREASE OVER LAST YEAR. BUT IT STILL IS SOMEWHAT, JUST COMPETING INTEREST FOR USE OF THE FUNDS , WE ARE LOOKING AT FUNDING A MAJOR PROJECT RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US THAT WE DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDING FOR, THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION. IF FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE, IT WOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARD THAT, NOT PURCHASING LAND RIGHT NOW FOR PARKING. STAFF NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN HERE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. WE WILL BE PAVING AND WIDENING NORTH SEVENTH STREET, LOOKING TO GET 20 TO 30 SPOTS THERE DEPENDING ON HOW THE WETLAND DELINEATION PLAYS OUT. WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT UNTIL WE LOOK AT A HOLISTIC PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH THERE DOES NOT SEEM TO BE MUCH INTEREST IN RIGHT NOW, WE ARE WASTING OUR BREATH, I THINK.
>> HOW MUCH ARE WE GETTING BACK FOR THOSE PUMPS? AND WHAT WAS THE PLAN? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SELLING THOSE PUMPS. WE COULD GET ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR THEM, RIGHT?
>> A LOT OF THE VOTES, THE PUMPS, AND THE GENERATOR, THEY WILL BE REPURPOSED. THEY WILL BE REUSED IN SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING. ONE WILL BE IN THE BIG LANNING PROJECT WE HAVE COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE FOR THE ENTIRE WASTEWATER SYSTEM. SO AS FAR AS WHAT ASSETS ARE GOING WHERE, I COULD NOT SPEAK TO THAT RIGHT NOW , BUT IT WILL BE RETURNED BACK TO PUBLIC WORKS. THE PLAN AS OF RIGHT NOW WITH GEOTECH SURVEY, IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. WE ARE GETTING THAT OVER TO ST. JOHN'S NEXT WEEK. AND THEN WE SHUT -- SHOULD GET THE PERMIT.
>> I WAS THINKING THAT IF THERE IS ANY MONEY THAT WE GOT FROM THAT, BECAUSE WE DID MENTION SELLING SOMETHING. AND IF WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING, I WAS JUST INKING, HALF OF THAT
WOULD PAY FOR HALF OF THIS, IF WE PAY FULL PRICE. >> MY TALKS WITH MISS DOES A LEG, ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT WILL BE REPURPOSED, INTO ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE UNDERWAY. INCLUDING THE GENERATOR, THE VAULT, THE PUMPS, SO ON.
>> WELL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
>> I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC / PRIVATE JOINT VENTURE. THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE MORE
THAN AN IDEAL SPOT. WE COULD PUT IT THERE. >> I GUESS THAT IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR HERE. IF THERE IS ANY DESIRE. COMMISSIONER ROSS BROUGHT UP BRINGING IT UP, THERE IS A LACK OF INTEREST IN PURSUING IT. BUT I THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION HERE TONIGHT COULD BE DONE, IS THERE ANY MERIT IN EXPLORING SOME SORT OF PUMP / PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, DOING SOME LEG WORK INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, COMMISSIONERS RECOMMED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY FOR PARKING. IS THERE MORE THAT WE COULD BRING TO THE TABLE TO
MAKE IT MORE APPETIZING FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION? >> WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? DO YOU KNOW? NEGOTIATING TABLE AND TALK ABOUT THIS PURCHASE. RESTAURANTS, SOMETHING ELSE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO BUILD THAT THERE AND HAVE PARKING UNDERNEATH. AND THEN YOU HAVE
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TWO THINGS ACCOMPLISHED. A SEMI PARKING GARAGE, BUT A BUILDING THAT WOULD DIVIDE SOME KIND OFTAX BASE. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
>> UNDER CITY CONTROL, BUT IT IS NOT TOO HARD FOR ANYBODY TO MAKE ANY MONEY OUT OF IT. YOU
KNOW? >> WHAT IS IT FOR SALE FOR? 220.
>> IT IS LIKE THE LAST HURRAH. I MEAN, THAT IS IT. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE.
>> AND IT IS SO WALKABLE. >> FOR THE SAME PRICE. >> IS IT WORTH, IS IT WORTH PURSUING, NUMBER ONE, FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER, OR WHOEVER IS REPRESENTING THE OWNER? AND THEN TWO, TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL PARTNERS FOR IT. WHETHER IT IS,
YOU KNOW, ATLANTIC CITY BLUES. >> IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BUY IT, I MEAN, THEY HAVE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO DO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. I DO NOT THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE FIRST OPTION. WE CAN THROW OUT THEIR HUG DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? BUT IT BOGS DOWN THAT. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME ALONG AND DO IT.
>> COME ON UP. YOU SHOULD SIT CLOSER. >> I HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE AGENT. HE IS UNWILLING, HE WILL HOLD PAPER .
>> IS OR IS NOT WILLING TO HOLD PAPER? >> YES. THE TERMS, I HAVE FORGOTTEN WHAT THEY WERE. BUT THEY ARE PRETTY STEEP . PUBLIC / PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, NOBODY WANTS TO BUY THAT. YOU CANNOT MAKE MONEY. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND IT COSTS $2.2 MILLION, WHICH HE IS NOT WILLING TO COME OFF OR S■UBSTANTIALLY COME FF, BECAUSE HE, QUOTE, DOES NOT NEED TO SELL. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THERE THAT WILL MAKE MONEY? THE ANSWER , THERE WAS NOTHING. LOTS OF PEOPLE LOOKED AT THAT PROPERTY. IF THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD MAKE MONEY THERE, THEY WOULD BE MAKING MONEY. SO WE GO PUBLIC / PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHAT WILL OF THE CITY PUT INTO IT? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO PUT INTO IT? IT IS IN THE FLOOD ZONE, THE ZONING IS WRONG. ALL OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED. AND I THINK YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME RUNNING AFTER THAT ONE. I TALKED TO THE AGENT FOR ABOUT HALF AN HOUR. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY, I MEAN, WE CAN CONSTRUCT THE CHECK, BUT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE MONEY TO DO THAT. SO, YEAH. IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO BUY THAT, BUT I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY INTEREST FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. I KNOW THERE IS NO INTEREST FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. AND I SPENT A LONG TIME LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. PARTICULARLY IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A PARKING GARAGE THERE, IT IS A LOSER, NOBODY IS GOING TO DO THAT. YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY MONEY DOING THAT, WHICH INCLUDES HAVING PAID PARKING DOWNTOWN. EVERYBODY WILL GO EVERYWHERE ELSE FIRST. WHEN EVERYWHERE ELSE IS FULL, THEY MIGHT GO THERE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE CITY, AT LEAST SOME CITY COMMISSIONERS, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN DEALING WITH PAID PARKING. BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT THERE IS ALREADY PAID PARKING, ALL OF YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE PARKING BECAUSE CITY RESIDENTS PAY FOR THE PARKING. PEOPLE THAT DO NOT PAY FOR THE PARKING ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THE TOURISTS, PEOPLE FROM THE OTHER PART OF THE ISLAND AND FROM NASSAU COUNTY. WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR PARKING. BUT THERE ARE ONLY TWO CITY COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE ANY INTEREST IN PURSUING ANYTHING OTHERWISE. SO YOU HAVE TO GET TO 3. BUT AS FAR AS TALKING TO THEM, YOU ARE WELCOME, I WILL GIVE YOU HIS PHONE NUMBER, BUT I DO NOT THINK YOU WILL LEARN ANYTHING. WE HAVE SPENT THE
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NUMBER OF HOURS TO SEE IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP THAT, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT THERE. YOU CANNOT DO IT ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN. ANY QUESTIONS?>> DOES ANYONE, I MEAN, WHEN YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THERE IS A CHECK FOR $2 MILLION
-- >> SOME PEOPLE DO. >> BUT YOU CAN MORTGAGE THIS.
WHAT IS THE DOWN PAYMENT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WHAT IS THE LONGEST TERM?
>> WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'VE GOT. BUT YOU CAN DO 50 OR 20 YEARS IN A COMMERCIAL LOAN, YOU WILL TURN IT OVER, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON THE COMMERCIAL LOAN AND WHATNOT. HE WAS WILLING TO HOLD PAPER FOR, I BELIEVE, FIVE YEARS. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WROTE IT DOWN. IT STILL DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. IT IS A LOT OF MONEY EVERY YEAR.
>> YEAH. BUT IT IS NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO PULL THE FULL FREIGHT UP FRONT. YOU CAN MORTGAGE
THESE THINGS. AND BUDGET FOR IT IN FUTURE YEARS. >> ABSOLUTELY. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO THAT AND SPEND THE MONEY. YOU ARE COMMITTING TO A 300,000 $400,000 PAYMENT EACH YEAR. WE ARE PAYING MONEY FOR THE STREET, I MEAN, THAT IS A POLITICAL DECISION. YOU COULD SPEND THE MONEY AND MORTGAGE IT OVER TIME. YES, ABSOLUTELY. BUT THERE IS NO POLITICAL WILL TO DO THAT WITH THE CURRENT CITY COMMISSION. OF COURSE, THERE IS
AN ELECTION. >> YOU CAN BRING MORE SHOPPERS DOWN.
>> ABOUT 20%. >> OH, LET ME TALK ABOUT SALES TAX, MY FAVORITE TOPIC.
LAUGHTER ] $32 MILLION IN SALES TAXES GENERATED BY THIS CITY. WE GET BACK, OUT OF THAT $32 MILLION IN SALES TAX, $12 MILLION? 12 MILLION DOLLARS. SO THE REST OF IT IS IN NASSAU COUNTY AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. AGAIN, WE ARE PAYING FOR ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES TO GENERATE SALES TAX, BUT WE DO NOT GET THE BENEFIT OF IT. SO WHEN I HEAR THAT SALES TAX THING, I GET A LITTLE IRRITATED. BECAUSE, WELL, WE ARE GETTING LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT WE GENERATE. AND THAT IS ALL DONE BY A COLLOCATED FORMULA THROUGH THE STATE. WHICH I COULD SPEND ABOUT TWO HOURS FIGURING OUT, BUT I GAVE UP WITH THE FORMULA. IT IS PRETTY COMPLICATED.
LET'S BASICALLY, WE GET ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT WE GENERATE BACK.
>> YOU DO GET A BRIDGE IN A HIGHWAY COMING INTO THE ISLAND. THE STATE GETS SOME OF THE
MONEY. >> A BRIDGE? >> A BRIDGE AND A HIGHWAY.
>> YEAH, I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT. >> WELL, MANY OF US COULD .
>> BUT WE ARE PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BASICALLY, TO GENERATE THE SALES TAX. THE SAME THING WITH THE TDC. WE ARE PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TAKES CARE OF ALL OF THAT, AND WE DO NOT GET THAT MONEY BACK. AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TAX BILL, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT ON YOUR TAX BILL, YOUR PORTION TO THE COUNTY IS HIGHER THAN YOUR CITY SALES TAX. IN THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THEY DO GIVE US A $50,000 A YEAR GRANT TO USE ONCE A YEAR. BUT OTHER THAN
THAT, IT IS WHAT IT IS. >> AND THE CITY MANAGER IS TELLING ME TO SIT DOWN.
>> DO WE KNOW WHY THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT FELL THROUGH? >> I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN IN
THERE. >> OKAY. NEXT STEPS. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING THAT WE WANT TO DO
REGARDING THIS PROPERTY QUITE >> A PRIORITY FOR ME IS SEWALL. BUT WE ARE WASTING HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS DOING SOMETHING ELSE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO PUT $400,000 TOWARDS
THIS. OR HOWEVER MUCH. >> WOULD BE WORTH PUTTING ON THE WEBSITE SOMEWHERE? IF YOU GET THE CITY TO DO IT, CHANGE SOME OF THE ZONING. I MEAN, WALKED DOWN THE ZONING, AND IN
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THE FLOOD ZONE, YOU WOULD BE GOING ABOVE THE FLOOD ZONE ANYHOW.>> SO IS THE PROBLEM, ARE YOU SAYING THE PROBLEM WITH IT NOT SELLING IS THE ZONING?
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS YOU HAVE THERE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OPTIONS
ARE WITH THE ZONING? >> IS MIXED USE ZONING. FROM A RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE, IT LIMITS YOU. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN C 3 ZONING, IT RESTRICTS YOU OUTSIDE OF THE UNDERLYING RECORD. SO IT IS LIMITED RESIDENTIAL. BUT IT HAS A MIXED USE ZONING, WHICH IS A PRETTY FLEXIBLE ZONING DISTRICT. THE ONLY THING, I MEAN, YOU MAY PICK UP A COUPLE COMMERCIAL PERMISSIBLE USES FOUND IN C 3, BUT THE BIGGEST THING IN TRYING TO GET THERE WOULD BE THE
RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THERE IS NOT REALLY MUCH THAT THIS BOARD CAN DO. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A REASONABLY GOOD PROJECT TO APPROPRIATE FOR PARKING, TO DO THAT THERE IN THAT PARTICULAR SPOT. BUT IT IS A MONEY ISSUE.
AND UNTIL SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO REALLY TAKE IT ON AS A PROJECT AND REALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME CREATIVE FINANCING AND WAYS TO DEVELOP THAT, IT JUST IS NOT GOING TO GO ANYWHERE AND IT IS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. WE HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION A FEW YEARS AGO ON SOUTH FLETCHER. THERE WAS A PROPERTY THAT WAS FOR SALE BETWEEN THE TWO BIG CONDOMINIUM PROJECTS. AND IT IS ONE LOT BETWEEN THERE. AND IT WENT UP FOR AUCTION. THIS IS ON SOUTH FLETCHER, ON THE OCEAN SIDE. AND IT SOLD AT AUCTION FOR SOMETHING, LIKE, $70,000 OR SOMETHING? A RIDICULOUSLY LOW AMOUNT. BACK AT THAT TIME, I HAD SENT AN EMAIL TO THE CITY SAYING, MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD LOOK INTO POSSIBLY BUYING THIS. NO, DO NOT HAVE ANY MONEY, NOT INTERESTED. SO THEN THEY BUILT A HOUSE THERE, WHICH IS JUST RIDICULOUS. TO PUT A HOUSE BETWEEN THESE TWO GIANT CONDOMINIUM PROJECTS. IT WAS A WASTED OPPORTUNITY. IT WOULD HAVE MADE A GREAT PARKING LOT IN AN AREA WHERE THEY DESPERATELY NEEDED IT. AND IT IS JUST A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. PEOPLE JUST ARE NOT WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO REALLY TRY
TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. >> THE HOUSE IS A GREAT RENTAL.
>> I KNOW. IT IS CRAZY. THAT FOR SALE PRICE. SO IT JUST SEEMS THAT THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY THAT IS GOING TO BE MISSED AND , YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT FIND $440,000 TO PUT THE DOWN PAYMENT AND THEN BUDGET THE REST OF IT GOING INTO THE FUTURE. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY COMMERCIAL, IF THIS IS MIXED USE, PART OF IT TO BE COMMERCIAL?
>> PARKING ON THE GROUND LEVEL AND THEN SOME KIND OF, YEAH, JUST ALONG SECOND STREET, A ROW OF SHOPS, AND THEN BEHIND IT IS THE PARKING LOT? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. I AM TERRIBLE AT
PLANNING AND STUFF. >> COULD USE SPLIT THOSE LOT? IS IT EIGHT LOTS?
>> YES. IT LOOKS LIKE EIGHT. NINE AND 10 ARE PARTIAL LOTS. BUT IN COMMERCIAL, YOU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE UNDERLYING LOTS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE TRYING TO UTILIZE THE AREA ON FRONT AND SECOND STREET , IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE THE ENTIRE 100 FOOT
LOT. >> BUT THAT IS ALL FLOOD ZONE RIGHT THERE, ISN'T IT?
>> YOU CAN BUILD COMMERCIAL IN A FLOOD ZONE. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO MITIGATE IT. YOU CAN EITHER ELEVATE IT OR TRY TO FLOOD PROOF IT. I THINK IDEALLY IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, YOU WOULD DO PARKING FIRST FLOOR AND THEN RAISE EVERYTHING OUT
OF THE FLOOD PLANE. >> HOW WOULD IT AFFECT A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN A FLOOD
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ZONE? YOU HAVE A FLOOD WHILE. NOW DOES IT DECREASE THE RISK?>> IT COULD. AND WE HAVE TALKED WITH OUR FLOODPLAIN CONSULTANT, IF THE CITY WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE THE FLOOD WALL, THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODS TO REVISE THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS. IF IT WAS BUILT AND WE SUBMIT CERTAIN STUDIES, IT COULD POTENTIALLY LOWER THE FLOODPLAIN OR MOVE IT OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. BUT IF WE GOT TO THAT POINT, WE CERTAINLY WOULD BE LOOKING TO AMEND THE FLOODPLAIN MAPS. FEMA DOES AMEND THEM FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT YOU GO ABOUT AMENDING
THEM WHEN YOU CREATE A STRUCTURE. >> SEE, IF WE COULD SPLIT THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING WE COULD GET FROM THEM THAT WOULD SAY WE ARE ALLOWED TO SPLIT THAT? BECAUSE OF THAT IS JUST A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT, POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE, I DON'T KNOW --
SPACE DOWNTOWN. HOW WOULD THAT WORK? >> THEN IT WOULD LOOK RIGHT AT THE PART. SO IF YOU HAD A REALLY NICE CAFE LOOKING AT THE PART , I THINK THAT IS
SOMETHING TO PURSUE. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IF WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
PURSUING THAT, WHAT IS THE PROCESS? >> LIKE WITH THE ONE ON FRENCH STREET, WHERE WE HAVE PUT OUT AN RFP OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD SOLICIT PROPOSALS FROM SOMEBODY THAT WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, WE COULD HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE PROPERTY
OWNER, THAT IT WAS THE INTENT . YOU KNOW? >> I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE DO TO GO OUT TO RFPS, TO COME UP WITH A SIMILAR NUMBER AS WE DID FOR THE PARCEL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT COMMERCIAL APPRAISAL THAT SAYS BASED ON THIS BROADWAY AND THIS TYPE OF LEASE, THIS IS THE INCOME YOU CAN EXPECT TO GENERATE. I THINK THAT IS A BASELINE CONVERSATION IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND SAY, HERE ARE YOUR DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS.
AND THE CITY WOULD EXPECT THIS KIND OF RETURN. >> I WILL CALL THE AGENT.
>> OKAY. >> I THINK BASED ON THE COMMENT, THE BUILDING OWNER, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE APPRAISAL IS GOING TO BE, HE HAS HIS PRICE, AND THEY COULD APPRAISE IT AT 1 MILLION, 1.5. HE SAID 2.2 MILLION. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD PAY. I JUST THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A LOST OPPORTUNITY IN THE CITY. BUT AS MR. ROSS AND JEREMIAH SAID, THERE IS NO INITIATIVE ON THE COMMISSION TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. NOT EVEN THE SLIGHTEST INKLING. SO THAT WOULD TAKE OUR TEXT FINANCING MONIES INTO SOMETHING ELSE. YOU SEE THAT
DRAINAGE, WHATEVER ELSE WE COULD DO. >> I WONDER IF THE CITY COMMISSION IS NOT RESPONSIVE TO THE SUGGESTION BECAUSE NOBODY HAS COME UP WITH A PLAN WITH HIGHER NUMBERS AND WAYS TO MAKE THIS THING WORK. IF SOMEBODY DID THAT, YEAH, MAYBE WE COULD FIT THIS IN CERTAIN WAYS OR FINANCE THIS. MAYBE THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE. I DO NOT GET THE SENSE THAT THE CURRENT CITY COMMISSION IS OPPOSED TO DOING THESE TYPES OF THINGS FOR REASONS OTHER THAN MONEY. ARE THERE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION OPPOSED TO DOING
THIS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT IT TO BE A PARKING LOT? >> THAT IS THE CRAZY THING. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE DO. LIKE THAT, THAT IS FOR FOLKS IN THE BUSINESS.
BIG CAN SAY, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO? WE COMMEND WHAT WE THOUGHT. FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
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THE PARK AND EVERYTHING THAT WE VOTED ON. AS WAS POINTED OUT, THIS IS THE LAST CLOSED PARCEL THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. AN INTERESTING DEVELOPER, CAN THE TAKE THAT IDEA AND RUN WITH IT? AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK, DISCUSS, AND RECOMMEND ON THE COMMISSION WHAT TO DO. THERE IS A NARROW SPIRIT TO DO THAT. IF WE SAY THAT IT IS A MULTIUSE BUILDING, OKAY. YOU PUT IT OUT THERE, AND THEN AN ENTERPRISING PERSON COMES AND MAKES A PROPOSAL. SO I THINK IT WILL BEIN THE SAME VEIN AS THE HOUSE. >> I GUESS THEN, I WOULD GO BACK TO, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE ENTICING FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW? OR, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT DOES GET DEVELOP. OR WE LET THE MARKET TAKE IT WHERE IT WILL?
>> LIKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE IT TO SLIM ZONING? >> IF WE THOUGHT A C 3 ZONING WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT REALLY SOUND --
>> YOU COULD STILL DO PARKING, IT JUST CANNOT BE A STANDALONE PARKING LOT.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD PUT RETAIL WITH PARKING BEHIND ANYONE?
>> PARKING ON THE FIRST FLOOR, COMMERCIAL ABOVE. YOU JUST CANNOT DO A STANDALONE.
>> ACTUALLY, THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE WOULD WANT? SO LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS ZONED NOW
MAKES MORE SENSE. >> WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT -- BUT IT
CAN BE STAND ALONE C 3. >> IT CANNOT BE STANDALONE PARKING.
>> RIGHT. BUT IT COULD BE RETAIL IN THE FRONT, PARKING IN THE BACK, OR SOMETHING.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK AND WORK THIS OUT. THIS WILL BE YOUR PROJECT. YOU CAN FIGURE IT
OUT. >> JUST SO I KNOW, IF THE BUILDING WAS KNOCKED DOWN, YOU CAN SPLIT THOSE LOCKS INTO EIGHT SEPARATE LOTS? OR WOULD SOMETHING ELSE HAVE TO HAPPEN
FIRST? >> THE UNDERLYING LOTS COULD BE RESTORED. THE SAME SITUATION THAT YOU HAD AT HARBORVIEW. THE PROVISIONS ONLY APPLY WHERE YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES.
SO, FIRSTHAND, YES, I WOULD THINK YOU COULD RESTORE THAT. BUT IT IS THE EXACT SAME SITUATION HERE. THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD, IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE IF YOU WANTED TO RESTORE THE LOTS OF RECORD. YOU DO NOT HAVE FRONTAGE. SO WHEN YOU RESTORE LOTS OF RECORD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE ISSUE HERE IS IT WOULD NOT FRONT THE PUBLIC ACCESS. WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO STUDYING AND LOOKING AT IT, MAYBE IT IS DOUBLE LOTS. BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CREATE A LOT BACK HERE. IT DOES NOT
HAVE FRONTAGE. >> WHAT DOES THAT GAIN YOU? >> YOU COULD AT LEAST KEEP THE WESTERN HALF OF THE PARKING AND THEN YOU COULD SOLVE FOR THE REST.
>> OR RESIDENTIAL. YOU COULD DO THAT AS RESIDENTIAL. >> YOU COULD DO ONE RESIDENTIAL PER LOT OF RECORD. IT IS ESSENTIALLY, WHEN YOU DO THE MATH AT THE PLOT, IT IS 17 PER ACRE. YOU COULD BUILD ONE UNIT PER LOT, BUT YOU WILL NOT GET ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT.
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>> ALONG SECOND STREET, HOW MANY LOT ARE THERE? >> FOUR.
>> SO IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO THE CONDOMINIUMS ACROSS THE STREET, THAT IS ABOUT FOUR
THERE. >> YES. IT WOULD BE ON A 25 FOOT LOT.
>> I MEAN, YOU LOSE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT YOU GAIN A DEVELOPMENT.
>> OKAY, YEAH. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS ANYTHING, AT LEAST NOT THAT, WE CANNOT PURSUE. SO, YOU KNOW, I DO NOT KNOW HOW WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT SPOT AT THIS TIME. AND THEN REPORT BACK.
LAUGHTER ] TELL YOUR FRIENDS. THAT IS THE STRATEGY, TELL YOUR FRIENDS. ALL RIGHT. STAFF
[7. STAFF REPORT]
REPORT PROJECT UPDATE. >> I WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE. THE CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WAS OFFICIALLY SIGNED OR APPROVED THROUGH RESOLUTION ON JULY 2ND.
WE RECEIVED THIS MORNING THE FULLY EXECUTED AGREEMENT, HIGHER-UPS SIGNED OFF ON IT.
THROUGH OUR CONSULTANT AND BOOKING, THE SUBCONTRACTOR THAT DOES THE ENGINEERING, THEY EXPECT TO PAY THIS WEEK FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE SURFACE AND SIGNALS, THE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE AND SURFACE WILL BE INSTALLED BY THE END OF 2024. AND THE SIGNALS BY JUNE OF 2025. THE SIGNALS, LIKE WE RAN INTO THE ISSUES HERE, THE WORK GOT DONE, BUT THE SIGNALS WERE DELAYED. WE STILL HAD THE SAME ISSUES. AND IT WAS NICE TO HAVE THE ESTIMATED TIMELINE TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING OUT TO BID FOR THEIR PROJECT THIS WEEK. THEY SAID SIGNALS BY JUNE, HOPEFULLY SOONER THAN THAT. FP IS WORKING ON STORM HERDING PROJECTS DOWNTOWN. THERE IS A PROJECT ON NORTH THIRD STREET. ONE OF THE FIRST IN A FEW PHASE PROJECTS DOWNTOWN. INCLUDING ON SECOND STREET. AND THEN PARKING LOT C AND D HAS NOT BEEN OUT TO BID YET. THEY ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH REDESIGNING THE BATHROOMS. BUT THAT SHOULD BE OUT TO BID HERE SHORTLY. AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW YOU, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION PURSUING ADDITIONAL PARKING. THIS IS JUST A ROUGH SKETCH FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE WESTERN END. A COUPLE SPACES HERE WHERE WE ADJUSTED AID DRIVEWAY ON THE PROPERTY TO PICK UP ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS ANY ISSUE, BUT WE MADE THEM AWARE OF THOSE MINOR DESIGN CHANGES THAT THEY CAN ORDINATE WITH THEIR FINAL ENGINEERING
FOR THE SIGNAL AND THE CROSSING. >> THANK YOU. IT LOOKS GOOD.
>> A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? HOW MANY PARKING SPACES IS THAT? THEY ARE NOT
DESIGNATED THERE? >> THEY ARE NOT. I WILL SAY THEY ARE WONKY SIZES, THE WAY THE DRIVEWAY CUT ARE. YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE ONE LARGER THAN NORMAL SPACE HERE. TWO
SPACES HERE. >> IS THAT CAR PARKING OR GULF SPACE -- GOLF CART PARKING?
>> SO IT IS, LIKE, 1, 2, 3. WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE LENGTH OF THE PARKING SPACE IS, HOW DO
WE KNOW --? >> I CAN SEND YOU THE DIMENSIONS TOMORROW. THEY ARE OVERSIZED SPACES. SO, LIKE, 45 FEET. YOU CAN MAKE A PARALLEL SPACE 9 BY 20. BUT GENERALLY, THEY ARE WANTING 22. SO IT IS TWO SPACES HERE, ONE LARGER THAN A NORMAL SPACE HERE THAT
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COULD ACCOMMODATE GOLF CART PARKING. WE DO NOT REALLY DEFINE WHAT A GOLF CART PARKING SPACE IS PURE BUT YOU CAN FIT TO GOLF CARTS HERE, YOU CAN FIT TO GOLF CARTS THERE. LIKE I SAID, DIMENSION WISE, IT IS NOT JUST BLACK AND WHITE STANDARD SPACES. I TRY TO MAKE IT AS MUCH AS I CAN FIT THERE DIMENSIONALLY. KNOWING THAT A GUY PARKS HIS CAPITAL F 250, YOU CAN GET THREE OR FOUR GOLF CARTS. IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF DAY AND THE ACTIVITY OUTTHERE. >> SO ANYTHING MORE THAN STANDARD WITH THE DESIGNATED
GOLF CART? >> THE STREETS HAVE A STANDARD GOLF CARTS, I DO NOT THINK SO.
>> ANOTHER QUESTION IS, WHY >> I MEAN, IT IS NOT A HEAVY PEDESTRIAN ZONE LIKE CENTER STREET, OR EVEN THE SIDE STREETS. SO THE AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE REALLY NO MORE THAN THE REST OF THE STREET IS, WHICH IS RELATIVELY LOW. SO WHY WOULD YOU NEED EIGHT-FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS? THAT IS ONE QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION
IS, THE FLARED DRIVEWAYS, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? >> IT IS NOT. THIS IS A CONGLOMERATION OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH ONLY HAD SIX SPACES. SO WE ARE ACTUALLY PICKING UP ONE ADDITIONAL SPACE, BUT WE JUST TOOK THE GEOMETRY OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE THERE AND THEN WE MODIFIED THIS AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE OPEN STREET RECEIVED A BARRIER TO INSTALL. I THINK ONE WAS TO ACCOMMODATE ACCESSIBLE SPACE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
>> ONE OF THOSE DRIVEWAY CUT IS FOR ACCESS TO THE GOOD SELL PROPERTY, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT. WHY? WOULD THAT HE BUILT NOW? >> IT COULD BE. THE PLAN WAS TO
BUILD IT. >> ORDINARILY, IF I AM A DEVELOPER AND I DEVELOP A
PROPERTY, DON'T I PAY FOR THAT? >> YOU COULD. BUT THE SAME WITH THE DRIVEWAY CUT HERE. BY BUILDING IT, YOU ARE LOCKING IN WHAT YOU HAVE. NOT THAT THEY COULD REQUEST YOU TO MOVE IT, BUT YOU ARE ABLE TO LAY OUT THE REST OF YOUR PARKING WITHOUT THAT. I MEAN, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW REALLY WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
>> MY CONCERN IS THAT WITH THE DRIVEWAY, THERE IS NO PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO YOU DO NOT KNOW IF THAT DRIVEWAY IS IN A PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD WANT IT ANYWAY. PLUS, THAT IS A REALLY BIG PROPERTY. SO YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS OFF OF BROOME STREET OR SECOND STREET.
>> EVEN IF THAT LOT IS SUBDIVIDED. YOU CAN STILL DO THAT. I GUESS I AM WONDERING WHY WE WOULD INCLUDE THAT IN THE PLAN AT THIS POINT, RATHER THAN PUT PARKING IN. LATER ON, IF IT DOES GET DEVELOPED, YOU TAKE THE PARKING OUT AND YOU PUT THE DRIVEWAY IN AND YOU
HAVE THE DEVELOPER PAY FOR IT. >> I DO NOT THINK THERE WOULD BE ANY ISSUE FROM CITY STAFF ON THAT ONE. REALLY, WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR, WHAT WE ARE
INSTALLING, I AM HAPPY TO REVISE THAT. >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT
TO THE GOOD SELL, WILL YOU DO THAT TO THE FLANNERY? >> I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE YES.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE FLANNERY PROJECT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. THOSE ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE TWO --
THAT THEY PARK ON. >> WOULD THAT BE OKAY FOR MR. FLANNERY AS WELL?
>> YOU CAN DO IT TO ONE WITHOUT DOING IT TO THE OTHER. BUT NOW THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS .
>> I AM NOT SUGGESTING NOT HAVING ACCESS FOR THEM. IF HE HAS A PLAN FOR HIS PROPERTY AND
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THAT IS BEFORE THE CITY, AND THIS IS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD GO, THEN THAT IS WHERE IT WOULD GO. BUT WITH THE GOOD SELL PROPERTY, THERE IS NO PLAN. AND THERE HAS NOT BEENPLANS SINCE I LIVED HERE. >> MAYBE CALL IT A MAINTENANCE ACCESS. BECAUSE THERE IS ACTUALLY NOT, I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY HAVE ANY OPENINGS. THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL CHAIN-LINK
FENCE. >> THERE IS ALL OF THAT ALONG SECOND STREET. IT IS ALL JUST A
GRAVEL PARKING LOT NOW. >> WELL, ALL OF THOSE LOTS CAN BE SUBDIVIDED. YOU CAN SELL IF ONE TOGETHER, BUT THEN YOU COULD NOT ACCESS THE OTHER TWO TO MOW IT.
>> SO WE ARE GOING TO SACRIFICE PARKING FOR MOWING, MAYBE? >> YES. I KNOW. HEY, WE GOT ONE
SPOT IN THERE. WE'VE GOT ONE SPOT IN HERE. >> RIGHT. LET'S LOOK AT YOURS.
SO THIS IS EIGHT SPACES FOR CARS -- >> SEVEN? 8 FOR CARS. AND FIVE
GOLF CARTS. >> OKAY. UNLESS HE COMES IN HERE, BUT THAT WOULD TAKE AWAY
THE RESPONSE. >> IT DOES NOT HAVE EIGHT-FOOT SIDEWALKS. IT CONTINUES THE
PATTERN OF SECOND STREET, LARGELY. >> WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT
SIDEWALK THERE? >> IT IS A MEDIAN STRIP. WHEN YOU GET OUT OF THIS CAR, YOU ARE NOT STEPPING INTO THE GRASS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU CARRY THE THEME FROM SECOND STREET, THAT IS A BRICK STRIP. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THAT HERE ON THIS SIDE. IF YOU
COULD DO IT HERE. DO WE HAVE AN EXTRA ONE FOR CAROLINE? >> AND THIS SIDEWALK? IT IS A STANDARD SIDEWALK. DID YOU SAY FIVE FEET ON THE SIDEWALK? SO YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME EXACT THING HERE? THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE, THERE IS BRICK THERE. IT WOULD BE KIND OF THE SAME
THING. >> IT IS A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET AND A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET WITH A BUMPER OVERHEAD FOR THE ANGLED PARKING. YOU WANT A BIT OF A WIDER SIDEWALK BECAUSE OF THE BUMPING ON THE SIDEWALK. NOW, THE DOWNSIDE TO THIS IS THAT THE STREET HAS TO TAKE A SLIGHT JOG. BUT THAT MAXIMIZES
PARKING. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE STREET HAS TO BE NARROWER THERE?
>> JUST LIKE CENTER STREET, BECAUSE IT HAS THE VERTICAL HEAD IN PARKING.
>> JUST A THOUGHT. >> I THINK IT IS VERY PRETTY. THERE ARE THREE SPOTS
POTENTIALLY COMING IN HERE. >> THE DRIVEWAY GOES IN HERE, YOU COULD MOVE THOSE SPOT.
>> I AM SAYING, IF IT WAS THERE, WE WOULD HAVE SEVEN, WE JUST WOULD NOT HAVE GOLF CART
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SPACES. >> SO, ALL CAR PARKING ON THIS SIDE AND GOLF CARTS PARKING ON
THE SOUTH SIDE? >> ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? WHY IT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK?
>> WE ARE LATE IN THE GAME TO BE REDESIGNING THIS. IT LOOKS GOOD. THE SECOND THAT HE SAYS I WANT ACCESS TO MY PROPERTY, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT. I MEAN, WHETHER IT IS FOR MOWING OR NOT, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO LOCK IN AND THEN TAKE AWAY PARKING, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE ALWAYS DOING THAT, TAKING AWAY PARKING. WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED PROPOSALS WITH THE EXISTING LAYOUT, COMMISSION HAS APPROVED, WE HAVE AWARDED THE PURCHASE ORDER FOR AN EXISTING DESIGN. SO I SEE THE BENEFITS OF WHAT MR. BARTEL HAS POINTED OUT, BUT WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. IF WE PULL OUT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, THAT WOULD CREATE SOME CHALLENGES AND DELAY
THINGS FURTHER. >> SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED? OR WHICH ONE?
>> WE USED THIS DESIGN FOR SECURING THE PROPOSALS. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AND INCREASE THE ASPHALT ON THE WESTERN SIDE. WE'VE GOT A CONTINGENCY WITH
PART OF THAT PROPOSAL. >> WE ONLY HAVE APPROVAL YET , JUST ALL CURBING, SIDEWALK, GUTTER, DRIVEWAY APRON. THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND AWARDED.
>> SO, WHAT REALLY HAS BEEN CHANGED ON THE DRAWING WE ARE LOOKING AT A PEER IS THAT THE LENGTH OF THOSE SPACES, NORTH AND SOUTH, HAVE BEEN EXTENDED NEAR THE RAILROAD, CORRECT?
>> THE AREA HERE AND HERE WAS ADDED. >> OKAY. CANNOT WAIT TO PARK THERE.
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER PROJECT? >> THAT IS BASICALLY IT. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS. BASICALLY IT FIRST CAME BACK THAT THEY WERE LACKING SUFFICIENT INFORMATION TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED NOTICES. BUT THAT IS BASICALLY IT.
>> AND THAT IS ON THE SEAWALL? >> YES, MA'AM.
>> SO THEY WERE LACKING INFORMATION? WE DID NOT SEND THEM EVERYTHING THEY NEEDED,
BUT WE HAVE SENT IT NOW. >> I DO NOT KNOW IF WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT AS OF YET. BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP. BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE A SOLID SIX MONTHS FOR US.
>> WE SENT IT IN. WITHIN 30 DAYS, THEY RESPONDED AND SAID WE DID NOT HAVE EVERYTHING. IS
THAT RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND THEN THE TIMEFRAME
PASTED ON MAY 13TH . >> BUT WE DO NOT KNOW WHO IS WORKING ON THAT?
>> THE PROJECT MANAGER, THE INITIAL PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT, BUT KIMBERLY HORN IS WORKING ON IT AS OUR CONSULTANT TO SUBMIT WITH THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT.
INAUDIBLE - LOW VOLUME ] AND THE SUBMITTAL OF THE ACTUAL ARMY CORPS SUBMITTAL.
>> SO THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO NEED TO SUBMIT ANYTHING? OR DO WE HAVE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING?
>> NO. THAT ALL FALLS ON THEIR COURT. >> I GUESS, WHO OVERSEES THEM OR GET UPDATES FROM THEM? HOW WILL WE KNOW IN 30 DAYS IT IS HAPPENING?
>> MR. GEORGE IS THE PRIMARY CONTACT WORKING DIRECTLY WITH MR. HORN.
>> I CAN ASK KIMBERLY HORN IF THEY CAN PROVIDE US AN UPDATE WHEN IT IS SUBMITTED. I CAN
REACH OUT, WE CAN GET AN UP DATE. >> PLEASE?
MUFFLED ] >> HOW DID THAT GO? >> IT WENT WELL, I HAD ABOUT A 45 MINUTE CONVERSATION. THERE ARE SOME HURDLES, BUT IT COULD BE DONE. IF YOU COULD GET SOME
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EXPLAINING TO THE SITUATION. >> DOES HE THINK WE NEED TO ADD IT TO THIS PACKAGE?
>> NO, THEY, THE LADY WILL CONTACT ME WHENEVER THEY MAKE A DECISION.
>> YOU REALLY DO HAVE GOOD CONNECTIONS.
JEREMIAH. THIS PERTAINS TO THE FLOOD WALL. CAN THE FLOOD WALL DOWNTOWN BE TREATED LIKE THE BEACH, WHERE THE CITY KICKS IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY? TAXPAYER MONEY? TELL ME WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE BEACH AND FRONT STREET? NOBODY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I KNOW.
>> I WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME. THOSE MILLION-DOLLAR HOMES OUT THERE, THIS SHOULD BE THE SAME WAY.
>> WE ARE PURSUING A NUMBER OF FUNDING AVENUES. AND WORKING WITH THE COMMISSION, WORKING WITH OUR LOBBYISTS, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL DIFFERENT, WHETHER A BOND, WHETHER THROUGH THE TPO, WHETHER FOR THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND SOME OTHER AVENUES , LOOKING AT EVERY RESOURCE AVAILABLE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION AND THE SEAWALL ARE REALLY TIED TOGETHER. IF YOU WANT TO DO ONE, YOU HAVE TO PRESERVE IT. SO THEY REALLY ARE TIED TOGETHER WITH THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION BEING THE MORE VISIBLE, TANGIBLE THING THERE THAT EVERYONE SEES AND USES. THAT IS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT , SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO. BUT IT IS A COSTLY PROJECT. WHAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE STATE, YOU CAN
DO ONE LITTLE PIECE. >> I THINK IF YOU HAVE FUNDING GOING EAST, YOU SHOULD HAVE FUNDING GOING WEST ALSO. THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING THE MONEY, IT SHOULD BE SPENT IN BOTH
DIRECTIONS. IT WOULD BE GREAT. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME?
>> I WILL CHECK IT OUT. >> THE ANSWER IS THAT THE -- REASON THE NAVY DOESN'T IS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH US OVER THERE AND IT IS TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLOTS OF LAND. WE PURSUED FEDERAL FUNDING, BUT WE ARE IN LINE WITH A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE. WE GET A FUND FOR MIAMI AND FOR FERNANDINA BEACH. THE NOURISHMENT PRIMARILY IS BEING DONE BY THE NAVY.
>> YOU STILL HAVE THE SAME TEXT DOLLARS. >> IS TALK ABOUT THE SAND
ATTACKS. >> IT IS THE SAME TEXT DOLLARS. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE NAVY
FUNDING OR WHATEVER. THESE ARE THE ONES I AM TALKING ABOUT. >> THE STU MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE BEACHES. THAT IS WHAT IT IS THERE FOR. WE CAN GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY, HEY, I
WANT TO FUND THIS, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. >> SPEAKING OF FUNDING, SAINT AUGUSTINE RECENTLY, THEY ARE GETTING THEIR SEAWALL FUNDED. 44 MILLION OR $48 MILLION PROJECT. NOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO APPEAL ON THE BASIS THAT STATE ROAD A 1A BASICALLY RUNS ALONG THAT. THAT IS WHAT WON THEM THEIR AWARD. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT, BUT WE DO HAVE FRONT STREET. SO OUR APPROACH TO THIS WILL FOLLOW THAT SAME VEIN OF THOUGHT TO PRESERVE THE COMMERCE HERE WITH THE DOWNTOWN, WITH THE PORT IN THE MAIL, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AS
A PRIORITY POINT. IN SAINT AUGUSTINE IS AN EXAMPLE. >> IT HAS NOT BEEN THAT LONG
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AGO, A COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> WE WILL BE SITTING DOWN WITH MR. JACOBS TOMORROW TO CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE WANT. ADJACENT TO THE UPCOMING LEGISLATURE, AS FAR AS FUNDING ASSISTANCE. I MEAN, SO FAR, THE TOP PRIORITIES ARE THE DOWNTOWN. COMMISSIONER ROSS WEIGHS IN TOMORROW. BUT I THINK IT WILL BE DOWNTOWN. THE SEAWALL WILL BE HIS PREROGATIVE
AS WELL. >> JEREMIAH, TELL ME. THE THINK AUGUSTINE FUNDING FOR THEIR
SEAWALL CAME THROUGH WHICH ENTITY, DO YOU KNOW? >> I BELIEVE IT FUNNELED DOWN THROUGH THE TPO. WHERE IT CAME FROM INITIALLY, I DO NOT KNOW. BUT A LOT OF THE FUNDING IS FUNNELED THROUGH THE TPO. THE FAA, EVEN. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT TAKING A BIGGER SEAT AT THE TABLE WITH THE TPO BECAUSE A LOT OF THE FUNDS THROUGH THERE, RIGHT NOW, THE COUNTY SITS ON THE TPO ON OUR BEHALF. BUT MS. JACOBS, I INSTRUCTED HER TO START ATTENDING THE TPO SECTIONS SO THAT WE CAN BE MORE VISIBLE AND BE IN THE LOOP ON THAT. THE GOAL IS TO GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE THERE WITH TPO BECAUSE OF SO MUCH OF THE FUNDING, THE FEDERAL FUNDING, IT FUNNELS DOWN TO THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS.
>> INTERESTING. >> I KNOW THERE IS A HICCUP STILL ON THIS FLOOD WALL.
>> THERE ARE A FEW. >> THE CITY, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GO BETTER?
>> THAT WOULD BE A COMMISSION DECISION. I AM NOT IN A POSITION TO PROVIDE THAT DIRECTION FOR YOU. NICE TRY, MR. COOK. ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME?
>> NOTHING. THANKS A LOT. >> ANYTHING ELSE, ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU? NO? ANYBODY ALONG
[8. NEXT MEETING DATE SEPTEMBER 4, 2024]
HERE? NO? ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE FOURTH. THE WEDNESDAY AFTER LABOR DAY.SUMMER IS OFFICIALLY OVER, OR UNOFFICIALLY OVER. >>
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.