>> LET ME GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
[00:00:03]
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING OF JULY THE 18TH, 2024.LET ME INTRODUCE MORGAN OLENDORF, WHO'S OUR NEW STAFF PERSON FOR THE HDC, AND A LOCAL GIRL AT, SO THAT'S LOVELY.
MS. MORGAN, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> HERE. WE DO NOT NEED TO SIT AT ALTERNATE TODAY.
WE GOT A QUORUM? IS ARLENE A REGULAR MEMBER?
>> SHE'S NOW A REGULAR MEMBER.
[OVERLAPPING] I WAS INCORRECT.
>> IT'S OKAY. BETTER GET IT CORRECT.
>> IN THAT CASE, WE WILL START WITH MS. COSAK ON EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
>> DON'T WE HAVE TO DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
>> WELL, YEAH. I AM NUMBER 3. SORRY.
>> TAMMY, THANKS FOR KEEPING IT STRAIGHT THERE.
>> SURE. EX PARTE, I SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT WHAT, WERE THE TWO CASES, AND THAT'S IT.
>> I SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN THE STATE THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN.
>> I SPOKE WITH STAFF IN REGARDS TO THE FIRST PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW.
>> I THINK THAT'S IT. COUNCIL, COULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES?
>> YES. MS. BYRNES, WELCOME TO THE HDC, AND SINCE YOU'RE RELATIVELY NEW, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC, ALSO, WHEN WE DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, REMEMBER, YOU'RE ONLY DOING THAT FOR CASES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.
EX PARTE IS YOU SPOKE TO ONE PARTY, NOT IN THE PRESENCE OF THE OTHER PARTY, AND THE PARTIES ARE THE CITY.
IF YOU SPEAK TO CITY STAFF, THAT'S A PARTY.
THEN IF YOU SPEAK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, APPLICANT, THEIR AGENT, THEN YOU WOULD ALSO DISCLOSE THAT.
THERE AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS, THEN WE HAVE ONE CASE TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S NOT A VARIANCE. IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
AN APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE OR A DENIAL REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF THREE OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS TONIGHT TO PASS THAT MOTION.
AND THEN THE ORDER OF PRESENTATIONS WILL BE, FIRST, MS. GIBSON WITH CITY STAFF IS GOING TO INTRODUCE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD FOR THIS CASE.
SHE HAS ALREADY UPLOADED TO THE WEBSITE THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION, WHICH WILL INCLUDE APPLICANT MATERIALS AS WELL, BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF HER PRESENTATION.
IN THE RECORD ARE THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE IN FRONT OF YOU AND HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR ABOUT A WEEK NOW.
NEXT, AFTER CITY STAFF, THEN THE APPLICANT AND OR THEIR AGENT WILL COME TO THE PODIUM.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY.
AS I JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, THE APPLICATION MATERIALS ARE ALREADY IN THE PACKET IN FRONT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TONIGHT, SO THOSE ARE ALREADY PART OF THE RECORD.
NEW EVIDENCE, DOCUMENTS, PHOTOGRAPHS CAN BE ADDED TONIGHT, BUT IF ANYBODY WISHES TO ADD ANY NEW EVIDENCE, UPDATED PLANS, THINGS LIKE THAT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE MS. GIBSON SEES THEM FIRST AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS BEFORE THEY ARE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
EITHER OF THE PARTIES RATHER, CAN CALL WITNESSES, AND I DON'T BELIEVE MS. GIBSON HAS ANY WITNESSES THIS EVENING, BUT THE APPLICANT OR AGENT MAY HAVE A WITNESS.
BOTH PARTIES, CITY WITNESSES, THE ABILITY TO CROSS EXAMINE IS AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE, WHICH LEADS ME TO THE NEXT, NOT PARTY, BUT AFFECTED PARTY, WHICH ARE RESIDENTS OF OUR TOWN THAT ARE ABLE TO, UNDER FLORIDA LAW, PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROCEEDINGS FULLY AS IF THEY WERE A PARTY.
THEY CAN CALL WITNESSES AND THEY CAN ALSO CROSS EXAMINE OR ASK QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF, THE CITY'S WITNESSES, APPLICANT, AGENT, AND THEIR WITNESSES.
THE AFFECTED PARTY IS NOT LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THEY GET TO SPEAK.
THAT'S GENERALLY THE PRESENTATION AND EVIDENCE, HOW IT FLOWS.
LASTLY, IF THERE'S AN APPEAL OF YOUR DECISION TONIGHT ON THIS CASE, THAT APPEAL HAS TO BE FILED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN
[00:05:03]
30 DAYS OF THE BOARD'S WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT.THE BOARD CHAIR, MR. SPINO SIGNS THOSE WITHIN 3-5 BUSINESS DAYS OF THE MEETING, SO ABOUT 35 DAYS FROM NOW, THAT'S THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME FOR APPEAL OF THE BOARD'S DECISION. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY THIS EVENING, PLEASE STAND.
>> ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK
>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
WITH REGARD TO THE MINUTES, ONE CHANGE I'VE NOTED IS MS. BYRNES WAS AT THE MEETING AND SHE WILL BE ADDED IN.ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES?
>> HEARING NONE, CAN I GET A MOTION?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES AS AMENDED?
>> ANY OPPOSED? NONE. MOVING ON.
AS I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE WATERFRONT CASE.
[4.2 HDC 2024-0015 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, WATERFRONT LOTS C + D]
SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT, IT'LL BE CONTINUED TO AUGUST THE 15TH.CAN I GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM TO AUGUST THE 15TH MEETING?
>> MOVED COSAK. SECOND POINTER.
MS. OLENDORF, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. JUST YOU'RE GOING TO NEED FIVE VOTES GENERALLY SPEAKING, SO DON'T CALL ON SIX.
IN THAT CASE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CASE HDC 2024-0004,
[4.1 HDC 2024-0004 - MICHAEL STAUFFER ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR JAMES & KATHERINE GALLI, 501 CEDAR STREET]
STALFER [PHONETIC] FOR [INAUDIBLE], 501 CEDAR STREET.WE APPROVED IT CONCEPTUALLY BACK IN MARCH.
AS INDICATED, THIS IS A CONSIDERATION OF A FINAL APPROVAL FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-STORY ACCESSORY DWELLING WITH A GARAGE AND THE ADDITION TO AN EXISTING HISTORIC HOME OF APPROXIMATELY 628 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD INCLUDE A NEW MASTER SUITE AND RENOVATION OF THE FRONT PORCH.
WE DID PREVIOUSLY SEE THIS CASE FOR CONCEPTUAL LEVEL APPROVAL IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR AND HAD ALLOWED FOR THE INITIAL DEMOLITION OF THE FRONT PORCH ELEMENTS.
I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN BY THAT AND SEEN SOME OF THAT IN PROGRESS.
AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND HAS SUBMITTED ALL MATERIALS THAT SUPPORT THEIR READINESS FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND UPDATED ANY OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM THE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL OF APPROVAL.
WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, IT IS INDICATED, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE APPLICATION THAT THEIR DESIGN VISION IS TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC CHARACTER AND DETAILS AND HAVE AN ADDITION THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HOME IN MASS AND SCALE, ADDING COASTAL FEATURES THAT DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITION FROM THE HISTORIC HOME.
IN THE STAFF REPORT ITSELF, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A CORRECTION WITHIN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
NUMBER 10 WAS CHECKED IS NOT APPLICABLE.
IT IS, IN FACT, APPLICABLE, AND THIS ADDITION DOES COMPLY WITH THAT CRITERIA.
IN TERMS OF ANALYSIS, STAFF FINDS THAT THE ADDITION AND THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ARE KEEPING WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE FERNANDINA BEACH DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT IS APPROPRIATELY SCALED, IT IS DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, AND THE ADDITION OF THE GARAGE AND DWELLING DOES FIT INTO THE CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN MEASURES TO ENSURE PROTECTION OF THE VERY LARGE OAK TREE THAT EXISTS IN CENTRAL TO THAT LOT THROUGH THE SITING OF THE ADDITION AS WELL AS THE NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IF THAT STAFF DOES ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, I HAVE ALL OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AS WELL AS THE STAFF REPORT AVAILABLE HERE.
I CAN PULL THAT UP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.
>> THEN I WILL ASK MICHAEL STALFER TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HIMSELF FOR THE RECORD AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL STALFER, ARCHITECT AGENT FOR THE [INAUDIBLE],
[00:10:01]
422 SOUTH 6TH STREET.THIS, AS YOU KNOW, WAS A CONCEPTUAL BACK IN MARCH.
THE PLAN HERE IS VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL.
I WILL POINT OUT THERE'S ONLY ONE CHANGE FROM THE SCHEMATIC, WHICH IS WE DID ADD RAILINGS TO THE FRONT PORCH.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING, BUT THE OWNERS HAVE SMALL CHILDREN AND WANTED TO BE A LITTLE CAUTIOUS WITH THAT, AND JUST ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE REAR DECK, NOT WHERE THE STEPS GO DOWN, BUT JUST ON THE FRONT.
THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE FROM THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION ON THIS.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT IT BASICALLY FOLLOWS WHAT YOU'VE GOT.
WE HAVE OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, AND AFTER THIS, WE'LL BE GETTING READY TO START PERMITTING AND READY TO GO.
>> MIKE, I NOTICED IN THOSE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE BACKSIDE, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT LOOK REALLY BAD.
HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO INVESTIGATE AND SEE IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE CURRENTLY CALLING FOR, THEY FIND THAT SOME.
>> ACTUALLY, IF WE'LL GO TO THE NEW FLOOR PLAN.
>> THAT MIGHT BE FURTHER UP, SORRY. KEEP GOING.
>> YEAH, JIM. THIS WALL RIGHT HERE IS THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?
>> IT'S DASHED. WE'RE ACTUALLY REMOVING MOST OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST A HODGEPODGE JUNK.
IT ALSO WORKED, DESIGN-WISE, TO TRY TO GET TWO BEDROOMS TO WORK.
THAT JUST DIDN'T WORK, SO WE'RE HEADING THIS OFF WITH A BEAM, PUTTING IN A NEW WALL THERE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAINTAINING THE OUTSIDE CORNER OF THE EXISTING GABLE, SO IT STILL READS WITH THAT EXISTING ROOF LINE.
>> PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A NASTY PIECE OF ADDITION RIGHT HERE THAT HAS BEEN DISAPPEARED.
>> THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE THERE, MOST OF THEM ARE 6/6, ALTHOUGH I SEE THERE'S A COUPLE OF BOTTOM PANELS THAT HAVE BEEN PROBABLY REPLACED OVER TIME.
YOUR NEW DRAWINGS, THE WINDOW SCHEDULE SAYS THAT TWO OF THE WINDOWS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE ARE SHOWN AS EXISTING, BUT THE DRAWINGS SHOW 6/1.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT THAT PLAN ACTUALLY IS FOR THAT.
>> DO YOU HAVE THE PHOTOS AVAILABLE?
>> I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A MIXTURE OF BOTH WINDOWS AROUND THE HOUSE.
>> I KNOW THIS HOUSE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE BARRY WOODS, THE SHOPPER, LIVED THERE MOST OF MY TIME IN TOWN.
MY GUESS IS THAT MANY OF THOSE WINDOWS WERE SALVAGED FROM OTHER BUILDINGS.
[OVERLAPPING] WHICH IS WHY THERE'S INCONSISTENCY ACROSS THE BUILDING.
>> THERE ARE SOME SIX OVER SIXES HERE INSIDE.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OLD ONES.
THOSE ARE THERE. THIS WAS JUST A MIXTURE.
WE HAD 6/6, WE HAD A 6/1, WE HAD A 2/2.
AND WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE CLEANER DOING THE 6/1.
>> THEN [INAUDIBLE] IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF USING WOOD?
>> FOR MAINTENANCE REASONS, WE WANTED TO DO IT CERTAINLY IF IT WAS A QUESTION.
WE DID DO THE FRONT DECK AS A TONGUE AND GROOVE, WOOD DECK TO BE A LITTLE MORE AUTHENTIC ON THE FRONT, BUT THE DECK IN THE BACK JUST FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSE SINCE IT'S UNCOVERED WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS ON MAINTENANCE.
>> MY LAST QUESTION IS THE GUARD RAIL ON THE PORCH, AND GLAD TO SEE IT THERE, AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S GOING TO BE YOUNG CHILDREN.
I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORIC REFERENCES TO THAT SPECIFIC RAILING AND THEN THE SPACING ON IT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE POST.
I'M JUST WONDERING COULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR DOING SOMETHING THAT MAY LOOK A BIT APPROPRIATE THERE.
>> HONESTLY, THIS WAS A PHOTO THAT WAS SENT TO US BY THE OWNER AND THEY LIKED IT.
ONE THING I LIKED ABOUT IT THAT HELPED WAS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BE A REGULAR PICKET TYPE OF RAILING THAT MIGHT INSINUATE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A RAILING ON THERE BECAUSE IT HAD MORE HISTORIC, THIS FEELS A LITTLE MORE COASTAL, FEELS A LITTLE LESS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN IT IS NEW.
THAT'S SORT OF THE REASON, BUT HONESTLY, THE OWNER SAW A PICTURE AND THEY LIKED IT AND SENT IT TO ME, AND I SAID, SURE, WE'LL TRY IT OUT.
>> YOU'RE LOW ENOUGH FOR CODE THAT YOU DON'T NEED THE FOUR INCH SPACING MAXIMUM?
[00:15:02]
>> THIS THING IS RIGHT OFF THE GROUND.
>> THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY COMMENTS THAT I HAD, MIKE.
WELL, FIRST, THANK YOU ALWAYS FOR YOUR GOOD DETAILED DRAWINGS, AND YOUR DESIGNS ARE JUST REALLY REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
I LIKE THE ARTICULATION AND ALL THE GOOD BIT OF DETAIL THAT YOU HAVE ON IT.
ON THE FRONT, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PIERS AND YOU HAVE THE LATTICE INFILL, YOUR DRAWING LOOKS PROBABLY BETTER THAN IT DOES IN REAL LIFE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE HEIGHT THERE.
LIKE MIKE SAYS, THIS IS ALMOST SITTING ON THE GROUND.
TO THE BAND BOARD OF THAT DECK, DON'T WE JUST HAVE ABOUT MAYBE 10, 12 INCHES?
>> NO, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
>> DO YOU HAVE THAT PHOTO AGAIN? ZOOM IN ON THE PHOTO OF THE FRONT.
>> THAT'S I MEAN, TO THERE THAT'S ABOUT 16.
I DON'T HAVE THE MEASUREMENT WITH ME, BUT WHEN I MEASURE THEM. THIS IS LOW.
>> BUT ON THE FRONT PORCH, YOU CAN SEE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE WEST SIDE.
>> YEAH, IT'S PRETTY OVER HERE.
>> THE PORCH IS A LITTLE TALLER.
>> I WAS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DID HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE RAISED FOUNDATION WITH THE PIERS AND WHATEVER THE INFILL IS TO MAKE THAT LOOK APPROPRIATE BETWEEN THEM.
>> WE'RE DOING SQUARE LATTICE INSTEAD.
WE DID DO BRICK PIERS ON THE FRONT PORCH.
ALL THE ADDITION, IT'S STUCCO ON CONCRETE BLOCK APPEARS, AND AGAIN, A LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE EXISTING BRICK PIERS ON THE HOUSE, REPLICATING THE BRICK PIERS OVER THERE PRIOR.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY SUBTLE DETAIL, BUT I THOUGHT.
>> WHAT OTHER CLARIFICATION? I KNOW THAT WE TALKED ABOUT OR WHEN I TALKED TO KELLY THAT THEY REALLY WANTED TO PRESERVE THE MAJOR TREES ON THE LEFT SIDE OF FIFTH STREET.
THEN I SAW ON THE PLAN, IT SAYS A 24 INCH OAK IS BEING REMOVED, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE MAJOR TREE THAT WAS BEING SAVED AND THERE WAS A WORK AROUND.
>> THERE'S A FOURTH SIDE OF THE LEFT.
>> THERE'S A BIGGER THERE IS WHY THAT.
>> BUT IT HAD THE 24 INCH COMING OUT.
IS RIGHT THERE AT THE DRIVEWAY; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S A MISTAKE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
NO, I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT ON MY REVIEW.
>> BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIG DOG OUT FRONT.
>> THIS ONE IS THE ONE THAT WE WORKED AROUND.
THAT'S 47. THAT'S THE BIG ONE.
I WE WILL CORRECT THAT. I APOLOGIZE.
>> THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. STOP.
>> DIRECTOR, ANYTHING WE NEED TO REVISIT THERE BASED UPON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD?
>> NO, PERHAPS THE CORRECTION FOR THE TREE REMOVAL.
>> WHAT? LET'S GET THAT IN THE MOTION THAT WHOEVER MAKES A MOTION WILL NOTE THAT THE DRAWINGS WILL BE CORRECTED TO REFLECT THAT THE 47 INCH OAK ON THE WEST SIDE IS TO BE PRESERVED.
>> I'M SORRY, 24 INCH ON THE WEST SIDE IS TO BE PRESERVED.
>> IS IT THE SIX INCH THAT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED, THE SIX AND THE 24 LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
>> NO, BASICALLY ALL OF THEM ARE STAY.
>> STOKOWSKI DIDN'T CUT DOWN ANY MORE TREES THAT HE NEEDS TO, ANYWAY.
WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2024-0004.
THIS WILL BE THE TIME. SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE INTO FOUR DISCUSSION.
>> I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A SECOND TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WERE DONE VERY WELL.
THAT AS MIKE POINTED OUT, THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE SIX INCH STEP BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THEN THE NEW ONE JUST SO THERE'S A PHYSICAL BREAK LINE.
THEY'RE NOT IN THE SAME PLANE, IT'S RECESSED JUST A LITTLE BIT.
ALL THE NEW STUFF IS ON PIERS WITH OFF GRADE FRAME TO KEEP ALONG WITH EXACTLY WHAT THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS DOING, AND THEN THE SUBTLE CHANGE IN MATERIAL ON NEW PIERS VERSUS OLD PIERS HELPS DISTINGUISH OLD VERSUS NEW, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE LOOK FOR.
I WANT TO POINT OUT THE THINGS I FELT LIKE WE'RE DONE VERY EFFECTIVELY ON THIS.
>> I THINK ONE [NOISE] OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD
[00:20:01]
IS A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE PUBLIC, SCROLLS THROUGH AND MAYBE LOOKS AT THESE PLANS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT THE FIFTH STREET SIDE, IT APPEARS FROM THE ELEVATION AS A PRETTY MASSIVE STRUCTURE.WHAT'S HAPPENING TO BARRY'S HOUSE? IT'S JUST GOT STEROIDS.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT WHAT'S HARD TO SEE IS THE ARTICULATION AND THE FRONT AND THE BACK AND THE ENDS AND THE UP.
I THINK, AT FIRST, I WAS CONCERNED WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE.
IT'S WITHIN CODE, BUT IS IT APPEARING LIKE THE BUILDING IS SUBSERVIENT TO THIS BUILDING? BUT I THINK WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY IN SCALE AND IN PERSPECTIVE, IT WILL BE PERCEIVED AS SUBSERVIENT TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
I THINK MIKE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.
IT'S NOT JUST A BIG MASSIVE FLAT PLANES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IT IS A STEP BACK LIKE JIM WAS SAYING.
I THINK IT'S REALLY WELL DONE, AND IT'S INTERESTING.
>> IF THAT'S IT FOR BOARD DISCUSSION, CAN WE HAVE A MOTION? I THINK JIM'S GOT NOTES.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0004 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE 24 INCH OAK TREE ON THE WEST SIDE AT THE DRIVEWAY IS TO REMAIN AND NOT BE OMITTED.
I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THAT HDC CASE 2024-0004 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVED POZZETTA, SECOND COSAK, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
MISS MIKE MORGAN, PLEASE CALL UP.
>> YES. THANK YOU, YOU VERY MUCH.
OH, FOR THE RECORD, I SHOULD HAVE DISCLOSED THAT STOKOWSKI, PICKED ME UP, DROVE ME HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WAS RAINING.
[LAUGHTER] BUT HE GOT NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.
>> YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE CASE.
>> NO, ACTUALLY DIDN'T I THINK WE SAID SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY TONIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS THE EXTENT.
IT WAS PRETTY SCARY WHEN I WAS WALKING OUT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BOARD BUSINESS.
[6. BOARD BUSINESS]
THAT'S A DISCUSSION A PRESENTATION.WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN AND CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, DIRECTOR.
YOU WANT TO GUESS UP TO SPEED ON THAT PROCESS.
ABOUT TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO NOW, I'VE CIRCULATED A DRAFT VERSION OF THE UPDATED DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY FROM MR. POZZETTA, WHO PROVIDED SOME VERY DETAILED FEEDBACK AND HELPING ME TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHERE TO FOCUS MY ATTENTION IN REVIEW OF THE OVERALL DOCUMENT.
IT WAS EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE IN ALLOWING YOU TO PUT TOGETHER REALLY DETAILED FEEDBACK FOR THE CONSULTANT TEAM.
A LOT OF IT SURROUNDS THE FORMAT OF THE DOCUMENT.
WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT THE BOARD IS REALLY READY FOR A COMPLETELY FRESH LOOK AND FEEL, AND WE WOULD MOVE THE DOCUMENT OUT OF ITS CURRENT FORM INTO A NEW FORM.
AS A RESULT OF THAT DETAILED FEEDBACK, WE'RE DELAYING THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING TO THE AUGUST 15 MEETING TO PROVIDE SOME TIME FOR THE TEAM TO REALLY WE DO THE DOCUMENT ITSELF.
OBVIOUSLY, THE TEXT, A LOT OF IT IS NOT CHANGING, EXCEPT FOR THE FLOW OF IT AS WELL AS EFFECTIVELY THE GUIDANCE THAT IS INHERENT TO THE DOCUMENT ISN'T CHANGING, BUT THE WAY THAT IT READS IS CHANGING, THE WHY BEHIND THE DOCUMENT, IT'S CHANGING, THE SUPPORT FOR THE DOCUMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE, AND THERE WILL BE NEW TEXT ADDED TO PROVIDE RESOURCES TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT PREPARING APPLICATIONS AND WHAT TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON.
THAT THE TEAM IS WORKING ON ALL OF THOSE CHANGES, AND WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY REVISIT THE GRAPHICS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THE DOCUMENT, AND, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE GRAPHICS THAT ARE IN THE DATE THAN WAS PROVIDED IN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT.
THEY ARE WORKING ON ALL OF THAT.
BUT I DO I'D LOVE TO HEAR BACK FROM
[00:25:02]
THE BOARD COLLECTIVELY AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THAT I MIGHT PROVIDE TO THEM UP FRONT AS A COLLECTIVE BOARD.I KNOW THAT THEY WOULD WELCOME THAT NOW, ESPECIALLY AS THEY'RE REVISING THE DOCUMENT, OR FROM OUR ARCHITECTS LOCALLY, ANYONE REALLY WHO HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS DOCUMENT.
I KNOW I'VE CIRCULATED THAT TO OUR LOCAL ARCHITECT COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK AS WELL.
THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN GAINING THAT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WANT THIS TO BE A DOCUMENT THAT IS USER FRIENDLY, THAT WE CAN PICK UP AND REALLY EASILY UNDERSTAND WHY AM I GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND HOW DO I NAVIGATE IT? THAT THERE IS INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AS WELL AS THE BOARD, AS WELL AS THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL ON HOW TO NAVIGATE OUR PROCESS.
THIS EVENING WE ARE DELAYING THAT.
I KNOW THAT I HAD PUT OUT THERE THAT WE WOULD BE HAVING IT.
THERE WAS ALL EXPECTATIONS THAT WE WOULD, BUT GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE CHANGE, IT MADE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND WAIT FOR THEM TO DO A MORE MEANINGFUL UPDATE ON THE LAYOUT AND THEN PRESENT THAT.
WITH THAT SAID, THOUGH, THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING SOME CHANGES VERY QUICKLY, AND I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE TEASER OF HOW THAT LOOKS, OVERALL, WITH THEIR BLESSING, THEY'VE AGREED THAT IT'S IN GOOD FORM TO SHOW THAT TO YOU.
I HAVE TWO SLIDES JUST TO TALK TO THE FORMAT.
IT'S TAKING THE DOCUMENT OUT OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN A PUBLISHER FORMAT AND MOVING IT INTO IN DESIGN.
AS PART OF THAT, IT WILL BECOME AN 11 BY 17 DOCUMENT THAT WE'LL READ TWO SIDED.
IT'S PRIMARILY VIEWED IN AN ONLINE OR DIGITAL FORMAT, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PRINT, AND IT'LL BE A NICE DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH EASILY.
BUT IN MOVING IT INTO AN 11 BY 17 FORMAT, IT GIVES US A LOT MORE AREA TO WORK WITH AND PROVIDE THE TEXT AND ALL OF THE GUIDANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR FEATURE, IN THIS CASE, IT'S SIGNS, THEN GIVE INFORMATION IN A VISUAL FORMAT WITH PHOTOS, AND THEN A LINE DRAWING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? WHAT'S IMPORTANT SO THAT THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE MATCHES WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO.
THIS IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE AND THEN A SECOND EXAMPLE, WHICH INCORPORATES SOME MORE OF THE LINE DRAWINGS THAT WILL BE ADDED.
AGAIN, ON COMMERCIAL IS FOR GUTTERS AND DOWNSPOUTS.
ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE INCORPORATED IS WHERE WE HAVE RESILIENCY AND HAVING SPECIFIC CALL OUT TO TALK ABOUT HOW YOU MIGHT DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY IF WE WERE THINKING ABOUT RESILIENCY WITH THE ADDITIONS OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THESE ARE JUST DRAFT EXAMPLES FOR RIGHT NOW TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW IT'S CHANGING.
>> IS A LOT LESS LIKE A BROCHURE AND MORE LIKE GUIDELINES THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW.
>> IT'S LIKE [OVERLAPPING] VISUALLY APPEALING.
HOW WILL THE TIMELINE AFFECT THE GRANT? WILL IT AFFECT THE GRANT?
>> WE HAD ALREADY RECEIVED AN EXTENSION ON THE GRANT, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP WITHIN THAT EXTENSION.
>> I THINK ONE THING TOO, THE CLARITY SEEMS SO MUCH BETTER WITH THE DRAWINGS AND WHAT'S ON THERE, TOO.
IF YOU COULD PASS ALONG TO THEM, SOMETIMES THEY USE LINGO THAT, THE GENERAL PUBLIC MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND.
I THINK ANYTIME THERE'S AN ARC EVERY LITTLE THING CAN'T BE DEFINED, BUT, FOR INSTANCE, I JUST REMEMBER THEY SAID, USE FULL CUTOFF FIXTURES.
WHO KNOWS WHAT A FULL CUT OFF FIXTURE IS IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS? I THINK THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THE NOMENCLATURE THAT'S VERY ARCHITECTURALLY SPECIFIC.
THERE'S NO QUESTION. IF SOMEBODY PICKS THIS UP, THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR HOUSE.
I THINK WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR THE PUBLIC.
>> WELL, YEAH, HAD A LITTLE DIGITAL INNOVATION SINCE THESE WERE DRAFTED 20 YEARS AGO, SO I THINK ALL OF OUR ATTENTION SPANS ARE DIFFERENT.
THIS IS REALLY THE APPROPRIATE DIRECTION.
TIM, DID YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE?
>> YEAH. I THINK WHAT YOU SHOWED US TONIGHT, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ENHANCEMENT OVER WHAT YOU LOOKED AT BEFORE.
I SAW DIRECTOR GIBSON PRODUCED QUITE A LENGTHY SET OF DIRECTIVES FOR THEM.
YOU CAN SEE IN HERE THAT THEY ACTUALLY HEARD IT STARTED IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THAT GUIDANCE THAT THEY WERE GIVEN.
I'M VERY ENCOURAGED WITH WHAT I'M SEEING HERE THAT THEY SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN WHAT THE GIST OF WHAT THEY WERE ASKED TO DO IT IS GOOD AS THIS.
[00:30:05]
I CAN'T WAIT TO GET DOWN AND REALLY START DRILLING INTO THE PARTICULARS OF IT.>> WILL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO SEE IT WITH SOME TIME TO REALLY CHEW ON IT BEFORE JUST REACTING AT THE NEXT MEETING?
>> I WILL GIVE YOU AS MUCH ADVANCE TIME AS I CAN.
I KNOW THEIR GOAL IS TO GET A DOCUMENT TO ME BY AUGUST 2ND.
THAT I CAN PUT IT AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKET ON THE EIGHTH AND THEN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACT TO IT ON THE 15TH TOGETHER.
THAT STILL GIVES US TIME TO MAKE SHIFTS AND CHANGES.
AT THAT MEETING, IF THERE ARE KEY DISCUSSION AREAS THAT ON ACTUAL TEXT LEVEL WE WANT TO DIVE INTO.
BUT OTHER AREAS TOO, WHETHER THAT'S PART OF THE FORMATTING OR IT'S CHANGES TO THE IMAGE, THAT TYPE OF THING, THERE SHOULD BE OPPORTUNITY TO SWAP OUT PHOTOS.
BUT OVERALL, THE LAYOUT AND LOOK AND FEEL WOULD BE THE SAME.
>> IS TWO MEETINGS NEXT MONTH?
>> BECAUSE SAYS THE 15TH, THE OTHER THE REGULAR SCHEDULE IS THE 21ST. I'M CONFUSED.
>> I THINK YOU REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING IS ACTUALLY THE 15TH, THAT'S THE THIRD THURSDAY.
>> THE AGENDA IS INCORRECT AND WE'LL CORRECT IT.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT, THAT'S PROBABLY THE FOURTH'S, FIRST WILL BE THE FOURTH THURSDAY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] I COMMENT ABOUT IS THE FORMAT, THE 11 BY 17 FORMAT WORKS GREAT FOR THE PRINTED COPY, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS, BUT ASPECT RATIOS ON A COMPUTER SCREEN, IS THE INTENT THAT THIS IS MOSTLY GOING TO BE VIEWED DIGITALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT ASPECT RATIO WOULD WORK, OR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE NICE.
I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT 11 BY 17 IS THE RIGHT SIZE WHEN IT'S PREDOMINANTLY GOING TO BE REVIEWED ONLINE.
>> SHOULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT FORMAT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT ON A TABLET.
DEPENDING ON HOW THEY HAVE THEIR ONLINE THINGS SET? IT SHOULD SHIFT. IT'S COMFORTABLE EITHER WAY.
>> THE PROPORTION SHOULD BE LIKE THESE MONITORS ALMOST.
>> YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO ZOOM IN AND OUT.
>> IS IT A PDF THOUGH, OR IS IT LIKE A LIVING DOCUMENT?
>> YOU JUST HAVE TO MOVE AROUND AND ZOOM IN.
>> YOU GET A DOC FROM THEM ON THE SECOND AND YOU PROBABLY SHARE IT WITH US PRETTY QUICKLY THEREAFTER.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND BACK TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY, NOT TO EACH OTHER, BACK TO YOU WITH ANY NOTES THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, THAT MIGHT GET INTO THE VERSION THAT SHOWS UP ON THE ACTUAL AGENDA?
>> IF WE ACT IN A TIMELY MANNER.
JUST SEND IT BACK TO KELLY IF YOU HAVE NOTES, MAYBE OVER THAT WEEKEND, TAKE YOUR TIME, LOOK AT IT, AND IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, SEND IT BACK TO HER, BECAUSE A GOAL WOULD BE TO GET TO THAT MEETING ON THE 15TH OF THE FINAL FINAL. THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL.
>> THAT'S A PRETTY AMBITIOUS DEAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I FEEL THAT MAY BE AMBITIOUS.
WE NEEDED TO WAIT UNTIL FINAL DECISION MAKING ON THE 19TH, BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, LARGELY.
>> WHAT'S YOUR DEAD DROP DEAD DEADLINE. I THOUGHT IT WAS AUGUST.
>> IT IS. NO. IT IS THE END OF SEPTEMBER.
>> OH, DEADLINE. FORGET WHAT I SAID.
>> WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT, NOT A LOT.
THE FIRST DRAFT DID GO TO THE STATE FOR THEIR REVIEW AND TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY CHANGES THAT THEY HAD.
KEEP IN MIND, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE CONTENT OF THE DOCUMENT, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHANGES AT ALL.
[NOISE] THEY'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S BEING PRODUCED SO FAR?
>> WELL, ON THE 15TH, WE'LL GET IT SHAPED UP AND YOU'LL SEND IT ON BACK AND WE'LL FINAL, IF UNLIKELY TO BE FINAL AT THAT TIME, IT WILL BE FINAL IN SEPTEMBER?
>> THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING IS, IT'S LIKE THE 19TH.
WE'RE GOOD? THE OTHER ITEM WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT [NOISE] TONIGHT WAS THE WATERFRONT.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHERE THAT IS.
AS YOU KNOW, BY NOW, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED GOING FORWARD ON TUESDAY EVENING ON A 5-0 VOTE.
IDENTIFY TWO MILLION DOLLAR FROM THE PARKS IMPACT FEES TO SUPPORT THE MODEST PROJECT AT THE WATERFRONT.
DIRECTOR, REMIND ME ABOUT THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD FOR THEM AND
[00:35:04]
FOR US AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED AS SO HOW THAT WILL PLAY OUT.>> ON THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST 15TH, YOU'LL HAVE THE HOPEFULLY FINAL CONSIDERATION OF THE PAVILION AND RESTROOM STRUCTURAL FEATURES THAT WILL GO INTO THE WATERFRONT.
AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'LL ALSO SEE THE LANDSCAPING AND THE WALKWAYS TO THOSE AREAS, WHICH ARE LARGELY WHAT BECOMES THE WATERFRONT PARK, IF YOU WILL.
AT THAT TIME, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU'D HAVE APPROVAL OF THOSE ELEMENTS AND THAT PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH CHARLIE AND JEREMIAH TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROCESS ON THIS PROJECT, AND CHARLIE SHOWED ME SOME DRAWINGS FOR THE RESTROOMS THAT I THINK REFLECTED THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD, PICKING UP THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OFF OF THE TRAIN STATION THAT ARE IN THAT PAVILION.
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO MAKE A BULLETPROOF, BUT FROM THE EXTERIOR, WILL LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS THERE, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO WHEN THEY WERE HERE.
THE THING ABOUT THOSE TWO GUYS IS THEY'RE PAYING ATTENTION, AND THEY'RE GOOD LISTENERS.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
I NOTICED IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES.
THERE ARE 48 CREATE MYRTLES ON SITE.
AS I SAT UNDER THE SHADE OF THE 20 FOOT CREATE MYRTLE IN MY FRONT YARD, I THOUGHT, THIS IS PRETTY COOL BECAUSE THAT TREE WENT IN AND TO THE FALL OF 2015.
EVEN IN MY LIFETIME, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SHADE [NOISE] UNDER THOSE TREES.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY VERY COOL.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WE WANT TO PASS BACK TO THE DIRECTOR ON THIS PROJECT GOING FORWARD.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT [NOISE] WE NEED TO DISCUSS UNDER BOARD BUSINESS, MEMBERS?
>> I HAVE ONE UPDATE [NOISE] ON THE OPA LOTS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE VOTED TO SELL THE SIX UNDERLYING LOTS ON THE CORNER.
WHAT IS THAT NORTH, SOUTH, EAST SIDE OF, COMING ON DATE, THAT SIDE NEXT TO ME.
>> THAT'S IT. THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY DEED RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING IN THERE LIKE THEY PREVIOUSLY AGREED TO.
I'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH MIRIAM, DANNY, AND FORWARD, AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE LISTING AGREEMENT AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE LISTING AGREEMENT OR THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE LISTING AGREEMENT WILL SAY, 50 FOOT LOT MINIMUM SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED HOMES.
BUT I'M WORKING ON NOW THE LANGUAGE TO HAVE THAT ACTUALLY AS A RECORDED DEED RESTRICTION BECAUSE ANYTHING CAN BE IN THE LISTING, AND THEN THE DEVELOPER COULD DO ANYTHING THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAID.
[NOISE] OUR CODE WOULD ALLOW FOR MULTI FAMILY TO GO IN THERE, AND WE JUST REALLY WANT TO KEEP THE RHYTHM OF THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD FLOWING RIGHT UP THE TOP OF THE STREET.
>> COULD BE MULTIFAMILY, COULD BE DOTS.
BUT IT WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING]. HOW MANY LOTS?
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THREE HOUSES IF YOU GET THE MINIMUM.
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT THAT IS IT IT FACES THOSE TOWN HOMES WOULD FACE ON DADE STREET, WHERE ALL THE TRUCK TRAFFIC IS. RIGHT LOOK.
[LAUGHTER] NOW, IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD HAVE RECONFIGURED IT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE THIRD STREET EXPOSURE.
>> WELL, AND A DEVELOPER MIGHT, THEY STILL.
WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH MIRIAM, THAT WAS HIS GOAL.
HE WAS GOING TO FLIP TWO OF THEM TOWARDS THIRD.
THAT MEANS SAFER FOR ACCESS IN AND OUT.
>> BEFORE, BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
YOU'LL BE EXITING YOUR DRIVEWAY INTO THE TRUCK LANE, LIKE DID MORDOS. I KNOW.
>> SOME FORTH? BECAUSE HE'S THE CORNER LOT.
>> YOU'RE RIGHT. NOT THAT WE KNOW OUR TOWN VERY WELL AT ALL.
>> IS THAT DETAIL THAT HAVE SLIPPED OUT.
[7. STAFF REPORT]
WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STAFF REPORT? CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL? NONE. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?[8. PUBLIC COMMENT]
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> IT'S OKAY DON'T WORRY. [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] 210 NORTH THIRD STREET.
[00:40:02]
A WEEK FROM TODAY, THE CITY COMMISSION IS GOING TO SET THE DATE, IS A WEEK DATE, TODAY, IS IT NOT? THE BUDGET DATE.>> BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THE 25TH.
>> JULY 30TH. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IF THE CITY COMMISSION SETS THE ROLLBACK RATE AT WHAT'S CALLED THE ROLLBACK RATE, SETS THE MILLAGE RATE AT THE ROLLBACK RATE, THE CITY WILL HAVE $560,000 MORE THAN IT DID LAST YEAR TO DO ALL THESE THINGS.
THEY SET IT AT WHAT'S CALLED THE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE.
THEY'LL AT $1.1 MILLION MORE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. 1.1 MILLION.
>> IF THEY PUT IT AT THE MILLAGE RATE, I'LL HAVE $2.2 MILLION MORE. WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? THE CITY COMMISSION COMMITTED TO WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT OR NOT TO THREE NEW POLICEMEN AND THREE NEW FIREFIGHTERS.
THAT COMES TO OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
IF THEY DO IT. IN THE TENTATIVE BUDGET THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED.
THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL POLICEMEN AND NO FIREFIGHTERS.
THERE'S NO REAL, LET'S GO BACK.
THE CITY WOULD APPLIES TO DOWNTOWN IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE CITY PUT IN A GRANT TO HAVE THE DOWNTOWN PLAN FUNDED, WHICH IS TO RENOVATE.
THE ARCHITECT CAME BACK WITH A PRELIMINARY FOR THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY CENTER STREET OF 2.2 MILLION DOLLAR.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE LIGHTING.
WELL, THE CITY, I BELIEVE, HAS $840,000 CURRENTLY THAT THEY CAN ROLL OVER INTO THAT, AND THE CITY NEEDS TO ADD SOME MORE [NOISE] MONEY TO THAT, AND THEN HOPEFULLY GO TO THE TDC AND ASK THEM TO MATCH THAT.
BUT TO MATCH THAT, YOU GOT TO PUT ENOUGH MONEY IN TO GET IT UP TO 1.1 MILLION DOLLAR.
WHETHER THE TDC WILL MATCH THAT OR NOT IS UNKNOWN.
BUT I THINK THERE'S A FAIRLY GOOD POSSIBILITY.
THE CITY HAS ALSO PROPOSED PUTTING IN A ONE PERSON TO TAKE CARE OF THE DOWNTOWN, BE IN CHARGE.
AS YOU KNOW NOW, IT'S A MISH MASH OF MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE POINT OF IT IS THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW, AND NOBODY EVER SHOWS UP AT THAT MEETING, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE [LAUGHTER] WHO DON'T WANT THEIR TAX RATE INCREASED, AND THEY WANT TO KEEP IT AT THE ROLLBACK RATE.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN TAKEN CARE OF, YOU NEED MONEY. THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
IF YOU GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, WHICH SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE ADVOCATED, AND WHICH IS WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR, WHAT THE COMMISSION DID LAST YEAR, I VOTED AGAINST IT, WE'RE GIVING OUR WORKERS 3% RAISE OR ANY NEW POLICE.
EVEN IF YOU GO TO THIS CODE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN THERE FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN OR SHOULD DO WITH THE DOWNTOWN.
[LAUGHTER] THIS ROOM WILL BE EMPTY.
IT IS EVERY YEAR, AND IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETINGS OF THE CITY COMMISSION, AND YET NOBODY SHOWS UP.
>> COMMISSION, COULD YOU HELP ME GET THERE'S THE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE, ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE?
>> THERE'S NO ADJUSTED ROLLBACK.
[OVERLAPPING] WHAT THE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE WAS AN INVENTION OF JOHN MARTIN, AND IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY USES.
BASICALLY, WHAT THAT DOES IS IT INCREASES.
IT DOES NOT, IF YOU'RE HOMESTEADED, YOUR TAX BILL WILL NOT GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT HOMESTEADED, YOUR A BUSINESS OR A NON HOMESTEADED PERSON, WHICH IS ACTUALLY 40% OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY ARE NOT HOMESTEADED, YOUR TAXES WILL GO UP.
IT IS PUTTING ANY TAX RAISE BURDEN ON THE PART OF THE POPULATION.
I CRANK THE NUMBERS ON MY TAX BILL.
MY HOUSE IS A MARKET VALUE, I THINK, $640,000.
YOU CAN ALL SEE IT ON MY FORM THAT I FOLLOWED WITH THE [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] KNOWLEDGE.
UNDER THE ROLLBACK RATE, I THINK MY TAXES WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY GONE UP ABOUT $20.
UNDER THE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE,
[00:45:01]
THEY WOULD HAVE GONE UP ABOUT IT WAS MAYBE ABOUT $20.UNDER THE TAX RATE, IF WE WENT TO THE MILEAGE RATE, MY TAX RATE WOULD GO UP $54.
THOSE NUMBERS ARE. BUT THAT'S ABOUT.
IT BOILS DOWN TO THINGS COST MONEY, AS MR. POINTER CAN TELL YOU, BUILDING THINGS HAS COST A LOT OF MONEY.
[LAUGHTER] WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDING THEIR ROADS REPAIRED IN THE NEXT SEVERAL YEAR, AND ON AND ON IT GOES NORTH BEACH PARK, AND SO ON.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, TO ME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I RAN FOR, AND WHAT I HOPE WOULD HAPPEN IS THE RENOVATION DOWNTOWN.
BUT TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY.
THEN GO TO THE TDC AND SEE IF THEY CAN MATCH IT.
[NOISE] MR. MARTIN, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO APPROVE ANY MONEY THAT THE HDC WOULD GIVE.
I THINK A NUMBER OF [OVERLAPPING], THE TDC.
SEVERAL THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT IF WE GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FUND THAT MONEY.
IN PHONE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD.
>> THAT'S A SPECIAL MEETING? WHAT IS THAT AS YOU SAID?
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU EMAIL IF YOU INTEND TO WEIGH IN, EMAIL THEM, COMMISSIONERS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] MADE UP THEIR MIND.
>> BEFORE THEY GET TO THE MEETING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THEY CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND ONCE YOU GET THERE.
>> WELL, THAT'S GENERALLY TRUE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WITH AT LEAST THREE.
>> IF NOT, THEY WE'LL CLOSE THIS MEETING AT 5:47.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.