[4.3. PRESENTATION - PROPOSED FY 2024/2025 BUDGET – Interim City Manager Jeremiah Glisson will provide a presentation regarding the proposed FY 2024/2025 budget. (Part 1 of 2))]

BUDGET. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE COMPTROLLER? THANK YOU FOR WORK, MS. PAULINE TESTAGROSE. UP NEXT, MR. JEREMIAH GLISSON.

JUST TO TMI. WE HAVE YOUR FOLKS AS WE ARE GETTING STARTED WITH OUR BUDGET SEASON. PRESENTATION IS A HIGH-LEVEL VIEW OF WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE BUDGET . THIS IS NOT A VOTING ITEM THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR FOR THE WAY TO DO IT HERE AS WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON EVERY SINGLE THING WE TAKE A VOTE ON COMING DOWN THE LIST. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING DONE IN THE AGENDA, WE HAVE A SECTION ON THE END FOR PUBLIC COMMENT NOT ON THE AGENDA. THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION BUT IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS, YOU CAN DO THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. JEREMIAH GLISSON WILL GOING TO DETAILS ABOUT THE BUDGET CALENDAR. I DO NOT WANT TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER. WITH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, JEREMIAH

GLISSON. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR BEAN. THE PRESENTATION IS GETTING SENT OVER HERE JUST A SECOND BUT I DO NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS TO DISPLAY. I AM NOT WEARING A RECYCLED START RED THE PRESENTATION ABOUT MILLEDGE AND OUR BUDGET. SO HOLD ONTO YOUR SOCKS HERE. THIS IS REALLY

EXCITING. >>

>> IN TWO WEEKS, WILL MEET HERE TO SET THE MILLEDGE RATE.

>> A WEEK LATER YOU WILL HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP. WE CAN WORK ON SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HERE IN THE PRESENTATION. THIS IS A HIGH-LEVEL VIEW. OF 50,000 FOOT VIEW. STARTING THE CONVERSATION PUBLICLY ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET THIS YEAR. AND WE WILL GET THERE IN JUST A SECOND. I WILL READ SECTION 71, THE CITY CHARTER. THE ESTIMATES OF EXPENDITURES AND REVENUES FOR THE FORTHCOMING YEAR AND A

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SUBMISSION TO THE CITY COMMISSION BY THE CITY MANAGER FOR THE CITY MANAGERS WILL SET FORTH THE ESTIMATE OF EXPENDITURES AND REVENUES OF THE CITY FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. THAT IS WHAT IS IN OUR CHARTER. THAT IS WHERE THIS CONVERSATION STARTS WITH IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE. PROPOSED BUDGET.

>> >>

>> OKAY. WELL, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO WELL WITHOUT THE

VISUAL. >> SHOULD GO TO 5. WANT TO COME OUT OF THIS? OKAY. WE'RE DOING LITTLE REPORT. WILL GO TO AMENDMENT , NOT AMENDMENT. RESOLUTION 5. 1. WE WILL KNOCK THIS ONE OUT. HOW TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT IS, AS I STATED BEFORE, EVERY SINGLE ITEM HAS PUBLIC COMMENT . FEEL FREE BUT I HOPE WE ARE A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS TONIGHT BUT AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM, THERE IS A FORM TO ALLOW. WE WILL HEAR YOUR COMMENT. THAT IS LOOKING GOOD. JEREMIAH GLISSON, WE WILL

[5.1. AMENDING RESOLUTION 2024-100 - COLOGIX US INC. - RESOLUTION 2024-100 APPROVING THE COLOGIX US, INC. PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR SERVER COLOCATION AND CLOUD STORAGE FOR DISASTER RECOVERY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $34,488 $35,288 FOR THE INITIAL YEAR; AUTHORIZING THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO TERMINATE THE CITY’S AGREEMENT WITH THE ARCO GROUP FOR THE SAME SERVICES; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Amending Resolution 2024-100 to account for an additional service from Cologix US, increasing the total annual purchase amount by $800.00.]

GO ON TO ITEM 5.1. THAT IS FOR COLGIX U.S., INC..

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS RESOLUTION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROPRIATE THIS IS WITH COLGIX U.S., INC. WHO PROVIDE ARE UPDATED CLOUD STORAGE FOR THE CITY. THIS ITEM WAS LEFT OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT. THIS IS THE SMALL ADJUSTMENT TO THAT AMOUNT WILL PIVOTAL AGREEMENT WENT UP FROM $34,488-$35,280 FOR THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. NOT PERFECT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILSON? NO QUESTIONS. DO I HEAR A MOTION? SAMET MOVED TO APPROVE

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? IF ANYBODY'S DOING THE MATH, THAT IS AN $800 ADJUSTMENT WE ARE MAKING HERE. WITH THAT IN MIND, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE

ROLE >> VICE MAYOR STURGES. YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. YES. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. YES. MAYOR

[4.3. PRESENTATION - PROPOSED FY 2024/2025 BUDGET – Interim City Manager Jeremiah Glisson will provide a presentation regarding the proposed FY 2024/2025 budget. (Part 2 of 2))]

BEAN. YES. >> THAT PASSES . WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE BUDGET. ONCE AGAIN, MR. WILSON.

>> THANK YOU. AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A 50,000 FOOT VIEW OF THE BUDGET. THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR . THAT BUDGET BECOMES EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST. THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC CONVERSATION WE HAVE HAD ABOUT THE BUDGET. WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ALL AND RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION . A LOT OF THE WORK WITH CITY STAFF, WITH THE COMPTROLLER, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS. THE REQUEST TOGETHER TO GET WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY. THIS IS A COMBINED SUMMARY OF ALL FUNDS EXCLUDED IN THE FUND. WHAT YOU SEE AND MAYBE A LITTLE TYPICAL. BUT THE TOTAL PROPOSED 2025 BUDGET , THAT IS ALL EXPENSES, ALL REVENUES, AND THAT IS ABOUT 133 MILLION -- THAT IS A FIVE-POINT 6% INCREASE OVER WHAT WAS BUDGETED

IN THE PRIOR YEAR. >> IF YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF SOME OF THESE EXPENSES, WILL FEEL THAT PERSONAL COSTS COME IN AND 34 THREE 2 MILLION . THESE ARE SENATORS BY CATEGORIES. THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT CONSISTS.

REVENUES AND EXPENSES AND THE BUDGET BOOK YOU'VE ALL BEEN PROVIDED. MORE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT. WE CAN SPEAK FOR HOURS ON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, TYPE OF EXPENSES, AND GENERAL FUND, EXCLUDING ENTERPRISES FUNDS WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT VANTAGE POINTS. WE WILL HIT ON THE HIGHEST. 36 BY 2 MILLION. OPERATING AT DANCES OF 24 BY 2 MILLION. AND OUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE COMES IN AT 4.5 MILLION. WE DO HAVE DEBT SERMON AND FINANCE ITEMS. WHETHER IT IS A FIRE APPARATUS, THE GOLD HEART PURCHASED RECENTLY . WE FINANCE THAT DEBT AND THEN WE HAVE THE DEBT SERVICE ATTRIBUTED TO THAT FUND. IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR EXPENDITURES BY FUNCTION. YOU WILL SEE THAT OF THE BUDGET , 19 1/2% GOES TO PUBLIC SAFETY , CULTURE AND RECREATION.

PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT , THAT WILL BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE COMING IN AT 25% FOR TRANSPORTATION, ROADS, SIDEWALKS. DETAIL IS -- IN THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SERVICE COMES AT 16.5%. THERE IS THAT SERVICE ELEMENT THERE AS WELL.

LET'S SHIFT THE CONVERSATION TO REVENUES YOU WILL SEE IN THE CITY BUDGET, THIS EXCLUDES INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. THESE ARE INTERNAL SERVICE DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. JUST LOOKING AT ALL FUNDS EXCLUDING THOSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT REVENUES THAT COME IN TWO -- CHARTER FOR SERVICES. LICENSE AND PERMIT. THE INNER GOVERNMENT REVENUE, AND THE TAGS FOR THAT IS, OF COURSE, THE CENTERPIECE OF THE CONVERSATION. THE BUDGET YEAR COMES UP 25% OF THE TOTAL

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REVENUE FOR THE CITY BUDGET. THAT GENERATES THE CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE INTO THIS NEW YEAR. THAT TAX IS BASED OFF THE MILLAGE RATE. WHAT YOU WILL SEE HERE IS THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 2024-25 IS BASED OFF OF A MORE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE OF FOUR POINTS AT THE 49 MILLS. NOW AS WE WILL GET IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE WILL. THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE AND WILL HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AND HOW THAT TRENDS. HOW THAT CALCULATES. HOW THAT WORKS FOR CALCULATING YOUR TAXES. THIS IS A THANK YOU YEAR SNAPSHOT OF THE TAX THANK YOU. THE CHANGE IN TAX 2020 -- RATE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IN 2023-24, WE WENT TO I ROLLBACK RATE. THAT WAS A 9% REDUCTION. -- WAS 13% AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE A 3% REDUCTION IN THE MILLAGE RATE THIS YEAR.

THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR IN THE REDUCTION OF THE MILLAGE RATE.

THE PROPOSED BUDGET, AS MUCH INCOME IS UPON THE MODIFIED MILLAGE RATE PARENTHESIS THE ROLLBACK RATE. THAT IS GOING BACK TO LAST YEAR'S DOLLARS. THAT IS BETWEEN THE CURRENT OPERATING MILLAGE RATE. SO WITH THIS IN MIND, THE CITY BUDGET INCLUDES THE -- 96% FOR THAT THINGS IN 19.4 MILLION PUT ALL AROUND OFTEN REVENUE. THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS LIMITED TO EXPECTED REVENUES BASED ON EXISTING MILLAGE RATE, ADJUSTED TO THE COUNT FOR THE CHANGE IN SAVING OUR HOME ASSESSMENT BY STATUTE 193. 155. THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATE IS REDUCTION OF THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE AND THIS YEAR. THAT IS A REDUCTION OVER THIS YEAR BY 3%. ON THE BACK, HERE ARE SOME LIARS. IS PROVIDED BY THE FLORIDA HOMEOWNERS GUIDE FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. AND ADDITIONALLY, FROM THE NASSAU COUNTY WEBSITE. THERE IS A LINK THERE THAT PROVIDES MORE INFORMATION ON MILLAGE CALCULATION. WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT MONEY? SOME OF THE PROJECTS IN THE 300 FRONT. THAT IS THE GENERAL FUND OF THAT TRANSFERS INTO FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. THESE ARE THE PROJECTS, NOT ALL, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME PROJECTS FROM THIS COMING YEAR. YOU WILL SEE 955,000 IS ALLOCATED FOR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS THERE ARE SOME ROLLOVER FUNDS IN ADDITION TO ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REC CENTER IMPROVEMENTS. THERE IS A SEA WALL THAT WILL CONTINUE THE DESIGN AND INSTALLMENT OF THE SEA WALL . THIS CAME TO THE GOVERNOR'S BUDGET. THAT IS IN THE BUDGET FOR 2 MILLION. -- WE ARE GOING OUT FOR BID HERE SOON TO GET THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY.

125,000 IS ALLOCATED FOR CITY HALL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION HAS ONE .2 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR THE PLACEMENT OF SIDEWALKS, LIGHTING, AND LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN FOOTPRINT. ALSO, THIS BUDGET WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THIS YEAR, THE POLICE, FIRE, AND IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE UPGRADE THE COUNTY IS DOING. THAT IS 935,000. THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE PROJECTS TONIGHT. THESE ARE IMPACT FEE RELATED PROJECTS. WATERFRONT PARK. THE $2 MILLION PRICE TAKE. THE SOFTBALL FIELD IMPROVEMENTS . THE SOCCER COMPLEX AT 3.5. ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS. THESE ARE NEW SIDEWALKS . THIS IS ADDING SIDEWALKS TO IMPROVE WALK ABILITY. 50,000 IS ALLOTTED FOR THAT AND THE HICKORY STREET RESTROOMS BUT ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME KEY PROJECTS. YOU HAVE SEEN THERE A LOT MORE PROJECTS ALLOCATED FROM THE 300 FUND WITHIN VARIOUS CAPITAL ACCOUNTS BUT THIS IS A HIGH-LEVEL VIEW OF THE PROJECT FUNDING IN THIS COMING YEAR. THERE IS A LOT WE STILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

FURTHER DISCUSSION WE HOPE TO HAVE AT THE FIRST WORKSHOP.

TALKING ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE. WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE AMENITY VERSUS BUSINESS FOR THE SUBJECT TO THE GOLF COURSE IS NECESSARY IF YOU'RE IN THE AMOUNT OF -- INCREASED EXPENSES. THAT CORRESPOND REVENUES IS PUTTING THE GOLF COURSE INTO A DEFICIT COULD INITIALLY, THERE IS SOME ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE CHANGES PROPOSED THAT THE NEW BUDGET. THERE IS A SMALL INCREASE IN STAFF. POINT -- 615 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT. THE NUMBERS ARE PULLED BACK TO MEET THE REVENUE REQUIREMENTS AT THE MODIFIED RATE. AS A NOTE THAT NO ADDITIONAL FIREMEN ARE LISTED IN THIS BUDGET. THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. THERE WAS COMMISSION SUPPORT TO FUND THE INCREASE IN

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PUBLIC SAFETY. THIS BUDGET, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT ANOTHER TIME. SOME SUPPLEMENT CONCERNS AND EVERYTHING, DOES NOT HAVE THIS MONEY AND THERE FOR THE FIRE. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL TALK ABOUT AT THE WORKSHOP. THERE IS REDUCED TRANSFER THE CAPITAL FOR CERTAIN ITEMS. AND TO SOME RINGS TO BEARER -- WHERE BUT WE CANNOT DO IT ALL IN ONE YEAR. THERE'S A REPLACEMENT AND BOARDWALKS THIS COMING YEAR. THERE'S BEEN MONEY THAT IS BEEN SET ASIDE FOR BOARDWALKS. THERE IS AN UPCOMING INCREASE IN BACKLOG IN STREET RESURFACING. THERE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE BUILT IN THE LATE 1990S AND EARLY 2003 AT THOSE ROADS ARE ALL COMING TO AT THE SAME TIME. IN A WORKSHOP WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT HUGE INCREASE OF WE HAVE 70 MILES OF PAVED ROADS. THEY ARE NOT ALL DUE FOR MAINTENANCE AT THE SAME TIME. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. THE PEDRO SPREAD THE PREFERRED HEAVY EQUIPMENT. AND A PLUS SIDE IS WHILE CAPITAL HAS BEEN DIMINISHED TO SOME DEGREE, THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN FUNDING FOR MAINTENANCE ITEMS CAPITALIZE ASSESS PROJECTS. THE MAINTENANCE IS, THAT IS ALL OR NAILED FOR THAT WILL BE PAINTING, CARPET, FLOORING.

THAT KIND OF STUFF. GENERAL TLC OF CITY FACILITIES BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION. YOU HAVE THE REPLACEMENT OF LANDSCAPING PHASE ONE. THAT IS TOTED TO COST 2.4 MILLION, LESS THE LIGHTING. THIS WILL BE A 3-5 YEAR PROJECT WHO HAVE ONE .1 MILLION DOLLARS ALLOCATED THIS YEAR THAT WE ARE ROLLING OVER. WE HAVE ADDED TO IT. FROM THE THEATER NEXT YEAR. THAT IS STILL INSUFFICIENT MONEY TO GET THAT DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PROJECT UNDERWAY. WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING. SO WRAPPING THIS UP, WE ARE HERE ON THE SIXTH DAY TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING -- MEETING IS JULY 30TH. THERE WILL BE THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATE BUT AND THE AUGUST 6-7 WORKSHOPS. WORKSHOPS CAN BE PROVIDED IF ALL THE WORK IS NOT DONE ON THE SIXTH AND SEVEN. THERE IS A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 3RD. SEPTEMBER 17TH WILL BE THE FINAL BUDGET HEARING. AN OCTOBER 1ST IS OUR HAPPY NEW YEAR. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU AND LEFT THERE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> TAKE YOU, MR. WILSON . WILL NOW OPEN THE FLOOR FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS BUT KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS NOT A BUDGET WORKSHOP. THAT IS COMING. YOU SAW THAT ON THE CALENDAR. LET'S GO TO NASSAU

>> THANK YOU. VERY BRIEFLY, JEREMIAH GLISSON. I'D IMAGINE IT TO YOU AND I WANT TO VERBALIZE IT. I SAW THE FIGURE UP THERE. THIS IS A HIGH-LEVEL ANSWER TONIGHT. HOW DOES OUR CITY SIT WITH DAD? I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR .6% DEBT ON THAT CHART.

SO CAN YOU GO OVER THAT BRIEFLY?

>> YEAH. THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE IS ABOUT 4.5 MILLION.

THAT IS A SMALL PART OF THE ANNUAL LOOKS AND ANSWER. THAT IS LESS THAN 5% OF THE TOTAL DEBT THE CITY OWES, WE FINANCE THE PURCHASE OF THE UTILITY FUND SOME YEARS AGO. WE ARE PAYING OFF THAT BOND OVER TIME. HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER. IT IS

BEING PROVIDED. >> SAY AGAIN?

>> THAT IS A SIDE OF 30 MILLION. LIKE A MORTGAGE YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR ANNUAL PAYMENT WOULD BE X. THAT ENTIRE DEBT WOULD NOT BE, YOU CANNOT FUND AT THAT FIRST YEAR. THIS IS THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE THAT IS 4.5 MILLION FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

THAT IS RECOGNIZING THAT WHEN WE RECEIVE THE FINANCE ITEM, WE BUDGET FOR THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN FROM THE FINANCING OF THAT. WE MOVE THAT TO THE DEBT SERVICE AND PAYOFF THAT DEBT.

THAT IS FROM A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OF DEPARTMENTS FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SERVICES. YOU WOULD SAY IT IS A LOWER PERCENTAGE BASED ON OUR HOLDINGS, OUR VALUE, OUR

RATING. >> I WOULD SAY SO. RESERVES RIGHT NOW FOR NEXT OR IS THAT 28 MILLION. THAT IS THAT 20%.

THE MARGIN WE LOOK TO HOLD THE RESERVES WE HAVE JUST IN CASE.

>> WHICH WERE FOLLOWING THE STATE STANDARD. CORRECT?

>> WE WILL DIVE INTO THAT FURTHER. A HIGH-LEVEL QUICK QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE OF THE STATE STANDARD, PROBABLY SCREAMING AT ME YES OR NO BECAUSE SHE KNOWS.

>> THE CITY HAS INFORMED 20% OF THE GENERAL FUND.

>> I AM JUST VERBALIZING IT. THAT. THANK YOU , PAULINE TESTAGROSE. THANK YOU, JEREMIAH GLISSON HAD

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS , MR. WILSON? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MIGHT'VE STAY UP THERE BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. OH, NO. EXCUSE ME. 5.2. THE

[5.2. AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK - FINAL DESIGN, PERMITTING, AND CONSTRUCTION - RESOLUTION 2024-126 ADOPTING THE AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK, KNOWN AS PARKING LOTS C AND D, FINAL DESIGN, PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION PHASES OF PROJECT #24050; APPROVING A BUDGET TRANSFER; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the Amelia River Waterfront Park Final Design, permitting, and construction phases of Project #24050; approving a budget transfer from the Capital Expansion Fund Reserve account, 3107200 59990 in the amount of $2,000,000 into the Capital Expansion Fund, Parks and Recreation Improvements account, 3107200 56300 to fund Project #24050.]

EMILIO RIVER WATERFRONT PARK. ONCE AGAIN, MR. WILSON.

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>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE EMILIO RIVER WATERFRONT PARK. LOTS C AND D, FINAL DESIGN AND PERMITTING OF THIS PROJECT. THE IMPACT FEE FUND FOR PROJECT 24050 . THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF $2 MILLION. WITH THAT, MR. GEORGE IS HERE. HE WILL PROVIDE THE DESIGN OF THIS PART. IT WILL BE ON THE SCREEN HERE SHORTLY. AS YOU ARE AWARE, THIS IS THE PRESENTATION PIECE . THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ARE IN THE BACKUP. THAT IS A MUCH MORE ENGINEERING. UNLESS COLOR FOR RENDERING. THE DOCUMENTS WILL BE USING AS WE GO UP FOR BID.

THIS IS THE -- IT IS SMALL. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET

SOME -- OKAY. >> I HAVE CONTROL.

>> OKAY. AFTER AN >> TAKE THE LEAD.

>> CHARLIE GEORGE, THE ENGINEER. I KIND OF WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND HOW WE GOT THROUGH THIS NOW. MOST OF THIS HAS BEEN THERE A WHILE. THE CITY CAN LOOK FOR DOING A WONDERFUL REVITALIZATION . IF YOU RECALL, IN 2021, 2022, WE STARTED THAT WATERFRONT BULKHEAD . THAT IS PART OF THE RESILIENCY PROJECT. IT KIND OF ENCAPSULATES AND STARTS THAT PROGRESS IN THAT AREA. THE FUNDS THAT LIMIT IT AT THE WATERFRONT. EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CONCEPT PLAN. THEY GO OUT TO THE COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION OF WHAT THAT PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE. BASED ON THAT CONCEPT PLAN, THE STAFF DEVELOPMENT -- FOR THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN. FOR FEBRUARY 2024. THEY CONFIRMED ON THE CCN A LIST FOR CIVIL SITE AND LANDSCAPING. SO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FROM THEM. AND A CONTRACT WITH THEM IN MARCH OF 2024. ON MAY 7TH OF THIS YEAR, PROVIDE A COMMENTS ON SPECIFIC THINGS IN THAT PRELIMINARY PLAN AHEAD INCORPORATING THOSE COMMENTS . AGAIN, JULY 1ST , THE DOCUMENTS. THEY WILL GO OUT FOR BID FOR THAT PLAN. THAT SHOWS ALL THE DIFFERENT FEATURES THEY ARE. SO TONIGHT, STAFF IS ASKING THE COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. THE SECONDARY DESIGN AND HAVING STAFF GO FORWARD WITH GETTING THE DOCUMENTS OUT SO WE CAN START GETTING THIS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE GOAL IS IF WE CAN GET THE BID IN AUGUST, THE FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER TO START CONSTRUCTION, WE CAN BE DONE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. THAT IS THE PLAN. THAT WILL BE THE FAST TRACK. THERE'LL BE SITE WORK.

THE PAVILION , RESTROOM, SOME SITE FEATURES THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THIS AREA. WE ARE ALL EXCITED ABOUT IT. JEREMIAH GLISSON HAS AN ACTIVE DESIGN IN YOUR PACKET . -- THIS SHOWS WHAT THE FEATURES ARE. YOU HAVE SEEN THE PARKING AREAS. YOU HAVE SEEN THE SITE WORK. THERE IS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT OPEN SPACE AREA ON THE SOUTH END. WE HAVE SHOWN THAT AS OPEN SPACE GRASS. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, DEPENDING ON SPECIAL EVENT. THE NEED FOR PARKING. YOU CAN USE THAT SPACE FOR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. INCLUDING A PACKET, THAT SHOWS ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES , ABOUT 32 CARS. THE GOAL IS TO NOT DRIVE ALL OVER THAT EVERY DAY. AND YOU HAVE SPACES NOW. THIS PLAN SHOWS 62 AUTOMOBILE PARKING SPOTS, 72 BOAT TRAILERS, AND THE FLEX AREA IS ABOUT 32 CARS. SO THAT PARKING SPACE SEES WHAT OUR ORDINANCE ALLOWS. THANK YOU,000 SQUARE FEET. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD PLAN. WE ARE READY TO GET GOING. I THINK EVERYBODY IS EXCITED TO GET IT GOING. TO REALLY ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE

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COMMISSION APPROVED. GOING OUT FOR BID. AWARDING IT AND MOVING

FORWARD. >> FIRST, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE? I WILL HAVE A COUPLE QUICK ONES FOR YOU. NUMBER ONE.

PARKING. COMPARED TO TODAY, HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT THE PARKING? WHAT DOES THIS PLAN DUE TO THE PARKING DOWN THERE?

>> IT THINGS IT UP A LITTLE BIT SO IT MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT.

IT GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THE PARKING. SO TRYING TO CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT. IT IS ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.

>> THIS MAINTAINS ALL THE PARKING? OKAY. HOW MUCH WILL

THIS COST THE TAXPAYERS? >> THIS IS ALL BASED ON IMPACT FEES. SO IT IS NOT GOING TO BE TAX ISSUES. IT IS ABOUT A $2 MILLION STRUCTURE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE BASING ON CONTRACTS FOR

>> AND THE THE COUNT HAS ABOUT $4 MILLION. PERFECT. I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT MAINTENANCE COSTS. THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A HANDLE ON AHEAD OF TIME BUT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT. THANK YOU-25,000. IS THAT

ABOUT RIGHT? >> WAS LANDSCAPING. WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO DO A BOND AND A WARRANTY. SO THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED. PART OF THE BID DOCUMENTS WE WILL HAVE A MAINTENANCE LINE ITEM THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE BID FOR US TO MAINTAIN THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS OUT. SO WE CAN GET EVERYTHING ESTABLISHED AND MATURE. AND THAT IT IS ABOUT A $25,000 MILLAGE COST.

>> PERFECT AND THAT IS ALL GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, MR. GEORGE, AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. WE ARE GOING TO GO NOW TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL THEN, SO IF THIS IS EITHER YOUR FIRST COMMISSIONER MEETING, WE WILL ASK MR. QUESTIONS AND THEN WE WILL HAVE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND SOMEONE WILL MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN THERE WOULD BE , BUT LET'S FIRST GO AHEAD AND CALL IT MR. FRED HUGHES.

>> PROFICIENCY, MAYOR BEAN -- >> OF COURSE. MR. JOHN ABBOTT, COME ON DOWN, SIR. DO YOU WANT TO BE IN THE BACK OF THE PILOT?

>> PUT ME IN THE BACK OF THE PILOT.

>> JOHN ABBOTT, 1601 NECTARINE, FERNANDINA BEACH. I WANT TO START UP IT IF WE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT THE EXHIBIT CALLED CIVIL SITE PLAN. THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND IF NOT, WE CAN LOOK AT THE LAST EXHIBIT JUST SHOWED ON THE SCREEN HERE. THERE IS STILL A NOTION THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME PARKING ON THE GREEN SPACE TO THE FAR SOUTH OF THE PLAN. I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO ANY NOTION THAT THAT SHOULD BE PARKING BUT I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE FOR YOU BUT I REALIZE THAT IS A DIAGRAM RIGHT NOW.

THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE SHOWN.

THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF HEARTACHE. I DO NOT SEE HOW THAT IS GOING TO WORK FOR YOU. THAT IS ALSO, THE FACT THAT THE PLAN SHOWS US IS A SODDED, IRRIGATED AREA. THAT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE TO PARK YOUR CAR IS ON IT. SO IT IS ALSO COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME THAT IF YOU HAD AN EVENT IN THE WATERFRONT ITSELF, THAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE PARKING, TAKING UP HALF OF THE EVENT SPACE FOR THIS EVENT. THAT BRINGS TO MIND , WHAT IS THE REAL INTENTION OF TRYING TO PARK CARS THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT BECOMES A REMOTE CITY LOT OF SOME KIND. I DO NOT GET IT. OTHER THAN THAT, JOHN ABBOTT, CITIZEN. I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN. I THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY. AND WE THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE PUBLIC REALM AT THE WATERFRONT.

IF THERE IS A PIECE THAT IS MISSING, I'M NOT GOING TO THROW ON THE OTHER HALF. THE BLUE SHIRT. IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE -- CLUB KID RAISE YOUR HAND. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS PRESENT. THE GOOD NEWS IS, WE ARE NOT HERE TO MAKE A LAST-MINUTE APPEAL TO KEEP THESE AT THE MARINA. THAT SHIP SAILED A LONG TIME AGO. WE RECOGNIZE THAT. WE HAVE BEEN, FOR THE PAST 2 1/2 MONTH, WORKING TO DEFINE A NEW PLAN FOR OUR ECKSTEIN PORTS THAT ARE LOST IN THIS GAME. INCREDIBLY , NO PROVISION HAS BEEN CONSIDERED IN THE NATIONAL

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PLANNING OF THIS PARK TO RESTORE OUR WORDS TO AS A RECREATIONAL VENUE. NONE OF THAT $2 MILLION YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS GOING TO BE REALLOCATED TO HELP. SO WE TOOK IT ON. WE DID SOME RESEARCH. WE FOUND SPOTS. WE DEALT WITH A LOT OF DEVILISH DETAILS. LAST YEAR, THE CLUB MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD. THEY SHOWED THEM SEVERAL OPTIONS IN THE NEW 16 COMPETITION COURSE.

>> THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, WILL COME BACK BEFORE THIS COMMISSION TO SHOW THOSE OPTIONS TO YOU. WITH THE FULL EXPECTATION THAT WE WILL GET APPROVAL, WILL GET FUNDING, AND WE WILL CONSTRUCT THE 16 COMPETITION PORTS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, ESTHER ABBOTT. I THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH YOU YESTERDAY. I WOULD SAY, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

INAUDIBLE ] I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT WE ARE GOING TO WORK TO FIND A NEW HOME THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK WITH US BUT FINALLY, I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL, AS WE SPOKE ABOUT YESTERDAY, MAKE THAT ANNUAL TOURNAMENT WORK FOR THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO CONTINUE WITH IN THE FUTURE.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

MR. JACK --

>> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. JACK AMBER, 1003 BROOME STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH. A NUMBER OF ITEMS ABOUT RIVERPARK FRONT. -- RIVERFRONT PARK.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE SURPRISED. NUMBER ONE. THE $2 MILLION PRICE TAKE WAS A SURPRISE. ORIGINALLY, WHEN THIS WAS PROPOSED AND BROUGHT UP , AND TURNED UP ON THE BIG SCREEN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT DONATED PLANS, THIS AND THAT.

DONATIONS. THE CAP ON THE PRICE WOULD BE 300,000. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE. THE BULKHEAD IN THAT AREA, FOR PUTTING 2 MILLION. SO IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL PRICE IS IF ANYBODY HAS THOUGHT TO FIGURE IT OUT . OR MAYBE THIS IS JUST A GUESSTIMATE TO WHERE WE WILL BE ADDING TO THE PROJECT LATER ON. PULLING FROM ABROAD TO. THE OTHER THING IS THE COMPANY, THOMAS AND HUTTON. THEY ARE WORKING ON THIS DESIGN. CHARLIE GEORGE IS A FORMER EMPLOYEE.

FOR THOMAS AND HUTTON. I THINK THIS IS THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. BECAUSE HE HAS A WORKING KNOWLEDGE AND RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS COMPANY. ALSO, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PUT THIS OUT TO BID AND NOT JUST THAT IT OUT TO JUST ONE CONTRACTOR. SO NOW, THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW I AM NOT A FAN. I THINK IT IS KIND OF LAZY TO GO WITH ONE COMPANY. THE OTHER BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. IT IS THE AMELIA SEAFOOD RESTAURANT. IT IS BEEN BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES AND WILL REQUIRE A LOT MORE PARKING. THIS PARK DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THAT. IT JUST THROWS IN THE PARK AND YOU GUYS HAVE TOLD THE FISHERMEN THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE PARKING.

AS BEFORE. I JUST THINK THAT IS, THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN REALITY. ONCE THE BIG RESTAURANT COMES IN. IT IS REALLY HUGE. JUST A SMALL ITEM TO TALK ABOUT IS THE GRASS.

Y'ALL WANT A BIG GRASSY AREA.

IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP. WHEN THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING THIS , THAT THE GRASS GROWING WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. NOW THAT IS CRUSHED. THEY JUST ABANDON IT BECAUSE IT COULD NOT BE MAINTAINED. PROPOSING GRASS ON THE RIVERFRONT PARK IS LIKELY TO FAIL AS WELL. BECAUSE IT IS ADJACENT . AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNOW GRASS, AND KNOW ABOUT SALTWATER INTRUSION AND THAT SORT OF THING CAN TALK TO HER ABOUT THAT. MR. STURGIS SAID, LET'S PUT IN THE GRASS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IT MAY DIE. WE WILL SEE. I DO NOT THINK WE ARE WILLING TO JUST

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PUT MONEY OUT THERE FOR NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

JEANETTE THANK YOU.

A FEW POINTS SPECIFICALLY? I THINK I WANT YOU TO ADDRESS THAT THE BUDGET WAS SET. THE BUDGET DID GO OUT. WHATEVER

ELSE. >> IT WILL BE A COMPETITIVE BID FOR CONSTRUCTION. THOMAS AND HUTTON WHO DID DESIGN DID AN ESTIMATE BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF PLAN B. GOING BACK TO THE PARKING AREA.

WHAT WE SHOWED THERE WITH A 32 SPACES WAS JUST FOR REFERENCE SO SOMEBODY COULD SAY, WELL, WE COULD PARK 50 OR 60 THERE. WE JUST SO THAT IS 32. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EVERYDAY PARKING. THAT IS NOT THE PLAN. THERE ARE GOING TO BE TIMES WHEN WE MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL EVENTS WERE VEHICLES LIKE BANDS AND STUFF ARE GOING TO BE HAULING TENTS OUT THERE.

THAT KIND OF STUFF. THAT PART OF IT. IT IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME TO BE THE PRIVATE MANAGER ON THIS WITH THOMAS AND HUTTON. THEY ARE ON THAT LIST. WE LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE SITES CONSULTANTS AND PICK THE ONES THAT AGAIN PARKS LIKE THIS. IT IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ME. I'M NOT GETTING ANY MONEY OUT OF THERE. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING I AM LOOKING AT. BUT THE GRASS PART, THE GRASS , THAT WAS BEHIND, THE PARKING LOT B. THE PROBLEM THERE IS THE EXISTING OKAY.

EVERYTHING WAS DROPPING IN THE SINKHOLE. THE GRASS WAS DYING.

SO WE HAD TO PUT CONCRETE UNDER THERE TO TRY TO STOP ALL OF THE SOIL. WE ARE HAVING PEOPLE STEPPING IN HOLES BUT IT IS NOT BECAUSE THE GRASS DIED THERE. IT IS BECAUSE WE HAD A FEELING BULKHEAD UP FRONT THAT WAS LOSING THE SOURCE. SO THE GRASS WILL BE IRRIGATED. THESE GREAT BASKET GUYS, THEY ARE VERY EXPERIENCED. WILL SEE HOW MUCH ABSORPTION IN THE WATER . WE ARE CULPABLE WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THESE DESIGNS.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. I WILL CALL UP WITH MARION PHILLIPS.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS BETTER LIMIT 724 SOUTH VICK STREET . I HATE TO RAIN ON EVERYBODY 'IS PARADE, BUT I AM AGAINST THIS PART TOTALLY. THIS IS A WORKING WATERFRONT. I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT AND I'M A LITTLE EMOTIONAL . I WILL NOT START CRYING ABOUT THIS BUT MY MOTHER JUST PASSED AWAY JULY THIRD. MY MOTHER WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE SHIPPING INDUSTRY. AND I WILL BE CARRYING ON THAT LEGACY, NO MATTER WHAT. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I SIT ON THE READ ADVISORY BOARD. THIS IS A WORKING WATERFRONT. IT IS NOT A PART. THIS IS BEAUTIFUL. IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. BUT PEOPLE DO NOT COME DOWN HERE TO THIS WATERFRONT TO ENJOY A PARK. THEY COME DOWN HERE TO SEE THEIR SHRIMP BOATS . THEY COME HERE TO SEE THE SUNSETS. THEY ARE NOT OUT THERE PLAYING.

KIDS ARE NOT GOING TO COME OVER HERE AND PLAY IN A LITTLE CIRCLE AREA OR WHATEVER THAT LITTLE CIRCLE AREA IS BID I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY NO TO THIS THAT I'M ASKING Y'ALL.

REDESIGN IT WHATEVER YOU HAVE GOT TO DO TO PRESERVE OUR WORKING WATERFRONT AND THE STRIPPERS FOR THAT IS REASON WHY FERNANDINA BEACH IS WHAT IT IS BETTER IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL FISHING INDUSTRY. IT IS NOT BEING PRESERVED. THIS NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. I'M SORRY. BUT I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU, IS PHILLIPS. I AM SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. LET'S GO

TO MR. MICHAEL SHARP. >> HELLO.MICHAEL SHARP AND I LIVE IN 130 NORTH NINTH STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH. WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT AN ANSWER , THE 25,000 YEARLY MAINTENANCE COST BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND I THINK YOU SHOULD BE TOO. IT IS JUST A GUESS. THIS STARTED OFF WITH THE PRICE OF ABOUT $300,000. THAT IS HOW IT WAS SOLD TO EVERYBODY. TAKING OUT THE IMPACT FEES. THERE IS A TAX COLLECTED AND PASSED ON.

EVEN WHEN WE STARTED THIS, CHIP ROSS, WHEN USUALLY AT ODDS WITH. THIS WILL COST A LOT MORE THAN $300,000. HE WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. ANYBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN KNEW THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. THIS LATEST PRICE OF $2 MILLION IS A LOT TO SWALLOW. THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT NEED OUR ATTENTION. THERE MUST BE AT LEAST THREE OF THEM THAT WE

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WANT TO KNOW AN ACTUAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I WOULD GUESS THERE IS $25,000, $35,000 BUT I THINK TAXPAYERS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING TO BENEFIT THEIR HOME BASE BECAUSE IT WILL. WHATEVER WE PAID FOR THIS MONTH IS GOING TO AFFECT EVERY CITIZEN WHO LIVES HERE. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE ALL THE APPROPRIATE REAL INFORMATION WHEN YOU VOTE ON IT BUT I DO NOT THINK YOU SHOULD VOTE ON SOMETHING WITHOUT ALL THE FACTS THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD CONSIDER SOME -- THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL, PLUSH LANDSCAPING JOB THERE. BUT ALL OF THE FERTILIZER AND THE WATERING NEEDS AND THE GAS AND THOUGH WILD -- THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN OUR WATERFRONT. THE PARKING ISSUE STILL MAINTAINS -- I WILL SEND PICTURES OF THIS ALL THE TIME. IT IS NOT THAT WE HAVE NO PERKING OF THE SAME PARKING.

RIGHT NOW, THEY DOUBLE PARK OUT THERE ON BUSY WEEKENDS. AND SOMETIMES, DURING THE WEEK THAT IT IS THE ROLE PARKING. AND THERE IS A WHOLE ANOTHER WAY OF WORKING. SO I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PERKING -- THAT IS A REAL PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE WHO COME DOWN HERE. ADDING IN ATTRACTIONS WITHOUT ADDING PARKING IS STILL GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. I THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD CONSIDER THAT BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THE REAL INFORMATION BEFORE YOU VOTE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. SHARP. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL EITHER MR. GEORGE OR MR. -- APPEARED ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO BED WHAT IS THAT $25,000 NUMBER COME FROM? CAN YOU PLEASE GO THROUGH THAT?

>> MR. GEORGE MENTIONED WHEN WE GOT THE BID, THE MAINTENANCE WARRANTY OF SOME OF THESE ITEMS BEING INCLUDED IN THE BID. WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE GREENERY AND THE DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPING.

WE PROVIDE THEM NUMBERS WITH SUPPLYING THAT NUMBER. THAT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. REALIZING MAINTENANCE IS NOT LINEAR. IT IS CYCLIC IN NATURE. SO AS ELEMENTS OF THOSE STRUCTURES CAN BE FOR MAINTENANCE, YOU WILL SEE THE INCREASE OVER TIME BUT AS FAR AS THE $300,000 NUMBER, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE CONTEXT. THERE IS NO WAY THE ELEMENTS OF THAT

ARE DONE >>

>> ELEMENTS OF THAT, WHETHER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TREE FOUND IN FUNDS AVAILABLE, VERSUS PAYING FROM THE IMPACT FEES, THE RESTROOMS. WE HAVE ONE DESIGN WE ARE LOOKING AT.

THAT WAS CLOSE TO A $300 -- FOR THE RESTROOMS IN ASSISTANT BETWEEN THOSE THAT ANOTHER FEATURE IS THE MULTIUSE PAVILION. ONCE AGAIN, ON THOMAS AND HON, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM TO PROVIDE SOME PRICING ESTIMATES FOR THIS WILL KNOW WHEN WE GO OUT FOR BID. IF APPROVED, WILL MOVE FORWARD AND DO THAT AND THE TRUE COST WILL BE KNOWN. THOSE ESTIMATES ARE COMING FROM OUR ENGINEER. OUR CONSULTANT. OF COURSE, CITY STAFF, LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS COMING TOGETHER THAT

MAKE THIS WHOLE PART PLAN. >> TO RESTATE THAT PLAN. SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE ANIMAL MAINTENANCE COST INCREASE, WHAT THAT ENTAILS, SO I WANT TO BE SURE WE TALK ABOUT THIS BUT THAT IS THE LAWNCARE THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE IN-HOUSE. WE HAVE OUR OWN GUY WHO OUTDOES THAT THE LANDSCAPING THAT WILL BE THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE. THEY DO THE DOWNTOWN BEDSPREAD AND THEN THE COST FOR THE GAZEBO AND NEW RESTROOMS FOR THAT IS THE MAIN MAINTENANCE.

>> CRACKED THE REST OF IT, YEAH, THE LEFT ARE LOW MAINTENANCE ITEMS. BATHROOMS ARE HIGH MAINTENANCE. THERE IS NO PUBLIC FACILITY THAT MAINTAINS FOR ABUSE ON A RESTAURANT. THOSE OF THE FACILITIES YOU HAPPIER THAN THE LANDSCAPING IN PLACE FOR THE MAINTENANCE WILL VARY OVER THE YEARS AS A FACILITIES AGE. ONCE AGAIN, THE INITIAL MAINTENANCE OF THIS WILL BE ON THE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT COMES UP WITH THESE ELEMENTS IN AND PROVIDES THAT WARRANTY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S CALL UP MISS SHEILA KIRBY TO

THE PODIUM. >> SHEILA KIRBY , -- INDIGO STREET. THANK YOU, MAYOR BEAN AND COMMISSIONERS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PARK AND PLAN. THERE ARE ALWAYS THINGS THAT ANYBODY WITH AS MANY THINGS GOING ON THAT PEOPLE COULD FIND TO FIND A PROBLEM WITH. ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST , I HEAR A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE BOAT PARKING AND THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MARINA . HAVING ENOUGH OF THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS COMMISSION AND FUTURE COMMISSIONS TO REALLY CONSIDER ABOUT HOW WE ARE INVITING PEOPLE INTO THIS TOWN BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING FOR THE FUTURE THAT STARTS TAKING THE BULK OF

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CARS AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN. WHETHER THAT IS HAVING OFF-SITE PARKING AND TROLLEYS RUNNING AROUND WHERE IT IS MORE WALKABLE IN MANY OF THE AREAS. IT IS NOT MATTER. WE COULD INCREASE PARKING, DOUBLE WHAT WE HAVE NOW. PEOPLE WILL COME TO THOSE PARKING SPOTS WILL BE FULL. THEY WILL STILL BE FULL AND IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH. BUT I THINK WE REALLY ARE TO START LOOKING AT SOME SUSTAINABILITY ABOUT HOW WE MAKE THAT A LONGER REACHING PROJECT. SO IT WOULD NOT HURT MY FEELINGS, MAYBE MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATERFRONT IF THAT WAS ALL BULK TRAILER PARKING DOWN THERE. MAKE IT FOR THE MARINA. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING AND WATCHING THE SUNSETS ENJOY MAYBE A BAND PLAYING DOWN THERE. THINK PEOPLE THAT EVERY TIME THERE IS AN EVENT DOWNTOWN AT THAT AREA NOW, THE ALL OF MY FRIENDS BUT EVERYBODY IS HANGING OUT BUT I THINK THAT IS A WELCOME PROJECT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. LET'S CALL IT ESTHER MATT MORRIS.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR BEAN. MATT MORRIS. FOR THE CLUB PEOPLE, THIS WAS NEVER ABOUT ANYTHING AGAINST THEM WITH THE WATERFRONT CONFLICTS WE HAD DOWN THERE. I AM 100% IN SUPPORT OF THEM HAVING SUPPORT SOMEWHERE ELSE. -- I WAS ON THE TEAM THAT HELPED THOSE. THE CITY GAVE US THE LAND AND WE RAISED THE MONEY. EIGHT PEOPLE DID THAT AND A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS HELPED. YOU HAVE APPROVED 55, EVIDENTLY. THEY ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY. THERE ARE WAYS OF GETTING MONEY. YOU DO NOT GET IT FROM THE CITY. BUT WE DID IT THROUGH GRASSROOTS, HARDWARE, AND WE GOT THOSE TWO PARKS BUILT. BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF YOU HAVING WATERFRONT. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. IN CASE SOME OF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH ME, AND THAT'S OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THE OTHER MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND STUFF.

THAT IS THE PARKING. I LOVE THIS IDEA OF THE TROLLEY. THAT IS A FUTURE THING. I KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS GOING TO HURT DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. AND DIMINISH THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE TAXPAYERS WHO PAY FOR EVERYTHING. THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAD 70 SOMETHING PARKING SPACES AND NOW YOU ARE DOWN TO 60 SOMETHING THAT WE USED TO HAVE THAT ENTIRE LOT. I HAVE POSTED THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA MANY TIMES BID USING THE PHOTOS FROM 2008.

THAT ENTIRE LOT WAS GRAVEL. THERE WAS NO GRASS. THAT WAS BOAT TRAILER PARKING AND WATERFRONT PARKING. THE CITY COMMISSION CAME IN AND PUT IN THE EGRESS BUT LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES. IT DIED. IT DID NOT WORK. YOU WANT TO DO THIS AGAIN? I DID IT. YOUR NEW CREW. YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR MARK. BUT YOU ARE DAMAGING OUR LIFESTYLE. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU. IN OUR PRIVATE CONVERSATION AND WHAT WE SAID, YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOOK AT PARKING FOR THAT IS AN IDEA I DISCUSSED WITH YOU ALONG WITH PERMIT PARKING. YOU DO NOT PUT A QUALIFIER ON BULK AT PARKING. YOU SAID IT WAS LIMITED ACCESS ONLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS BID OVERFLOW PARKING ONLY. THE PARTIAL TRUTH IS A LIE. I DO NOT LIKE BEING LIKE TO BID YOU ASKED US TO BACK OFF THE PETITION SO WE COULD WORK OUT A COMPROMISE. YOU DID NOT COMPROMISE THAT I FEEL LIKE I GOT THE TALLAHASSEE TWO STEP. I FEEL LET DOWN BY MY MAYOR WANT AC IN THE TOWN OF TALLAHASSEE FOR HIS CAREER, IF THAT IS WHAT HE CHOOSES. YOU CANNOT DO IT STEPPING ON THE BONES OF YOUR TAXPAYERS. I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU THAT HURTS ME. I WANT TO CRY. I REALLY DO. BECAUSE I HAVE WATCHED YOU GROW UP AND GO INTO THE -- AND THIS BOTHERS ME A LOT THAT YOU WOULD TALLAHASSEE TWO STEP US. SEE MATT THANK YOU, MR. MORRIS.

OKAY. MR. MICHAEL -- >> MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, 317 SOUTH FIFTH STREET. I WANTED TO SPEND ONE MINUTE ON FUND ACCOUNTING. I WILL ASK -- THESE FUNDS FROM THE IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE USED TO EXPAND PARKS IN OUR CITY. WE CANNOT REPAIR ROADBLOCKS THAT WE CANNOT ASK THE STATE PARK. ALL RIGHT? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. GOVERNMENT 101 BUDGETING 101. I SAY THIS

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BECAUSE SOME OF THE WHEN SHE SAID, YOU SHOULD TAKE THIS MONEY. IT CAN ONLY BE USED TO EXPAND PARKS AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET MY COMMENT.

I REACH OUT TO ARTICULATE SUPPORT FOR THE WATERFRONT PLAN. THIS SIMPLE AND FUNCTIONAL PLAN WILL ALLOW ALL OF US, INCLUDING FAMILIES, VISITORS, BOATERS, FISHERMEN TO ENJOY IT WATERFRONT PARKING, RESTROOMS , WALKWAYS , PICNIC AREAS. THE HEC REVIEWED THE SIGN OF JANUARY AND IT WAS WELL RECEIVED. SINCE THEN, THE PREPLANNING AND LANDSCAPE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED AND WILL PROVIDE A COOL SHADED ENVIRONMENT IN JUST A FEW YEARS. THIS IS A GOOD PLAN AND YOU ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE REQUESTS I HAVE TO SPEAK.

>> 1552 -- LIEN. I'M ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE AMELIA ISLAND BOWLS CLUB. THEY SAY IF YOU WANT TO BE REMEMBERED, BE LAST IN THIS WEEK IN QUEUE BUT I FIGURED WE WOULD SANDWICH A

LITTLE BIT HERE. >>

>> I WILL NOT MAKE A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE PARK BUT I THINK JOHN SAID A LOT OF NICE THINGS. AS THE BULKHEAD, WE ACCEPTED IT. WE WERE DISPLACED BY THE DESIGN AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE ALL GOING TO FIND US A NEW PLACE TO GO. I BELIEVE THAT WILL HAPPEN. WHAT I CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FUNDING LINE ITEM. I SAW THE PLAN, OR AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY FOR NEXT YEAR. I SAW A LOT OF PARKS AND REC FUNDING. I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT I DID NOT SEE A LINE ITEM FOR US. THE MARINA COURTS ARE GOING TO BE GONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

THE NEW YEAR STARTS OCTOBER 1ST WITH THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS WE NEED THE FUNDING LINE ITEM TO GO IN. HOW ARE WE GOING TO BUILD THOSE COURTS? I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE NUMBERS OVER THE YEARS, THE CLUB HAS ASKED FOR VERY LITTLE. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK OURSELVES . WE HAVE PAID FOR A LOT OF THE MATERIAL IS. WE HAVE SUPPORTED THE NOVEMBER TOURNAMENT. WE MADE $1000 EVERY TIME WE DO IT. WE BRING A LOT OF REVENUE. I JUST ASK YOU TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE FUNDING LINE ITEM TO BUILD THESE COURTS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. LET'S CALL HIM MR. CHARLIE GEORGE.

>> WE WILL REUSE THE TIMBERS THAT IS DOWN THERE TO PUT IN WHERE THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO GO. THAT IS WHAT CITY STAFF DID THERE AND WE WILL DO THAT AGAIN. WE WILL FIND A WAY TO

GET THE COURTS BUILT. >> PERFECT. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, DO I HEAR A MOTION? IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? YES SIR? COME ON UP.

>> EXPENSE ITEM FOR THE PARK, I SEE THREE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS LATER, THE PUBLIC ART PIECES. ONE LARGE, TWO SMALL ONES, AND ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? AND THE COST ELEMENT OF THE PARK, ARE THOSE SCULPTURES COVERED? WILL THAT BE AN ADD-ON? MAYBE THERE ARE THREE OF THEM?

>> BASICALLY, WHEN WE WERE COMING UP WITH A GUESSTIMATE, WE HAD PLACEHOLDERS FOR NUMBERS. BECAUSE OF WHAT WE END UP USING. DIFFERENT NUMBERS. BUT THERE IS MONEY AND THAT WE LOOK AT IN THAT BUDGET. 2 MILLION TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT IS

IN THE PARK. >> PERFECT THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE. WITH THAT IN MIND, I HEARD A MOTION ALREADY. MOTION

TO APPROVE? >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND >> ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER

AYSCUE. >> SO I WANT TO JUST ALSO TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO REITERATE THAT, YES, THERE ARE IMPACT FEES. USING OUR TAX DOLLARS. THESE IMPACT FEES HAVE TO BE USED. I AM OF THE SENSE THAT WE ARE SITTING AT $4 MILLION OF IMPACT FEES THAT IF WE DO NOT START USING THEM, THEN WE NEED TO START TAKING THEM BACK. BECAUSE THAT IS WHY YOU COLLECT THEM. IF YOU WERE GOING TO COLLECT THEM, THAT IS WHAT THIS PARK IS FOR. SO THOSE IMPACT FEES ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO, THE BUILDERS. THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS HAPPENED.

THEY DO NOT GO BACK TO THE TAXPAYER. THEY ABSOLUTELY GO

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BACK TO THE BUILDER. SO TO ME, IF YOU'RE GOING TO COLLECT THEM, I AM A PROPONENT OF THAT. I HAVE SAID IT BEFORE. I'M A DIFFERENT TO THE PLAN IN GENERAL. IT IS VERY SIMPLE AND VERY EASY. THERE IS NOT MUCH TO IT AT ALL. WE HAVE LISTENED TO A TON OF FEET BACK. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CRAFTED IT FROM A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK. I BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. -- THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IT IS ONLY RIGHT AND IT IS ONLY FAIR. ONE QUESTION I ASKED OF STAFF TODAY. CAN WE HOLD THE BIG TOURNAMENT ANNUALLY? THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY, YOU CAN PUT WE WANT TO WELCOME THEM BACK EVERY SINGLE YEAR. I KNOW -- WITHOUT A GREAT SHOW DURING THAT AS WELL. I THINK IT IS A GREAT EVENT. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MYSELF WALKING AROUND. I WANT THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. YOU KNOW, ENCLOSING , I REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT THIS PLAN IS , I THINK WHEN IT IS FINALLY ALL SAID AND DONE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO -- THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AS INTRUSIVE AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE ON BOTH SIDES. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE MASSIVELY AN INTRUSIVE PLAN. LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING COMMISSION. RIGHT THERE ON EACH STREET, THERE WAS AN OLD STRIPPING YARD. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MEMORIAL TO THE STRIPPING BUSINESS KIND OF WHAT WE DO AND SOME OTHER AREAS OF TOWN. JUST TO MARK THE HISTORICAL AREA WHERE THAT IS.

THAT'S IT . >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND IT HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WATERFRONT PARK FOR A LONG TIME. I BELIEVE THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DISPLACED, I AM SURE THERE ARE MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THEY COULD BE PLACED . I AM SURE THE CITY WILL BE ABLE TO THE COUNT FOR THAT BUT I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT ALL. MY ONLY QUESTION JEREMIAH OR CHARLIE IS, THE PARKING SPACE COUNT , IS IT THE EXACT SAME WE HAVE NOW CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY, IT IS NOT DELINEATED. IT IS DELINEATED PARKING, CORRECT?

>> WHAT IS PROPOSED IS THE OPEN GREEN SPACE. IT IS GRASS. IT IS AVAILABLE FOR -- LSP, SCOOTER, BICYCLE PARKING. THAT IS IN THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. YOU WILL SEE WHAT IS MAYBE CAUSE A LITTLE CONFUSION. THE OTHER DOCUMENTS IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

THAT IS HOW WE GOT IT. BUT NO, THIS IS A NET POSITIVE PARKING FOR THE EXTRA AVAILABLE PARKING THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THE

FORMER COURT AREA. >> BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION . WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION AND SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT THE GOLF CART PARKING WOULD BE

PERMANENT GOLF CART PARKING. >> IT WILL BE.

>> OKAY. AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A NET POSITIVE.

>> THE DOCUMENTS RIGHT HERE, WE WANT GRASS AREA AVAILABLE FOR GOLF CART PARKING, OR A SPECIAL EVENT.

>> RIGHT. BUT THE SPECIAL EVENT COULD BE -- HAVING A MAJOR EVENT OUT THERE. OBVIOUSLY, NOBODY WILL BE PARKING ON THAT

AREA AT THAT TIME, RIGHT? >> IF THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR TENT IN THAT AREA, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WHATEVER.

>> I THINK THIS IS A MISCOMMUNICATION. A LITTLE BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION. I DO NOT THINK THE MAYOR WOULD INTENTIONALLY LIE TO ANYBODY. I DO NOT MEAN THAT NEGATIVELY. I JUST THINK IT IS A LITTLE MISCOMMUNICATION. SO ULTIMATELY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE , YOU CAN SAY THE WORD FOR

ME. >>

>> THERE WILL BE AVAILABLE

WITHIN THAT GREEN SPACE. >> AND THAT WAS -- EFFECTIVELY RECITE BRINGING ALL OF THIS UP, THAT IS WHAT WE HAD FOR WEEKS.

THEY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH MIKE AND THE DISCUSSION WITH MATT FOR THE REALITY IS, IS GOING TO BE THERE. BUT ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS, I WANT YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT.

>> IT CANNOT BE A PARKING LOT. IT IS BEEN A CHALLENGE TO READ THAT NEEDLESSLY GET THE BUY-IN FROM THE COMMUNITY ON HOW THIS PARCEL IS BEING USED. THAT IS THE COMPROMISE THAT IS THERE.

>> ONLY IF WE HAVE SIX OR 10 GOLF CART PARKING SPACES FOR

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THAT WILL SERVE AS A NET POSITIVE ON WHAT WE NORMALLY

OUT THERE, LEE CURRENTLY. >> CRACKED.

>> FOR THAT PURPOSE FOR -- FOR PARKING. THAT IS A TECHNICALITY. THE PARKING LOT REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

THIS IS WHERE I SAY THREAD THE NEEDLE TO GET THAT.

>> THE SAME THING -- CORRECT? WELL, IT IS MORE DELINEATED NOW THAT IT WAS. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE CURB STOPS. YEAH, THIS'LL BE AVAILABLE. LOOKING AT THE CONSTRUCTION NOW. AVAILABLE FOR

GOLF CARTS. AND EVENT PARKING. >> WITH MY UNDERSTANDING, IT IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR GOLF CART PARKING PERMANENTLY.

HOWEVER, YOU CANNOT SEND WORD AGAIN?

>> CANNOT MAKE IT A PARKING LOT.

>> CORRECT. >> IT CAN ONLY BE USED UNLESS

THERE IS SOME SPECIAL EVENT. >> YOU CAN PUT TENTS THERE ARE TWO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING.

>> THANK YOU, JEREMIAH GLISSON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A HUGE WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL USE NASTY. WE WILL SHE FAMILIES COMING TO THE WATERFRONT. WE HAVE A RICH HISTORY HERE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. THE AMELIA RIVER IS ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS. WE HAVE THE BEACH ON ONE SIDE OF THE RIVER ON THE OTHER. IT IS TIME PEOPLE ENJOY ALL SIDES IT WILL RESPECT OUR HISTORY AND ENCOURAGE THE RIVERFRONT FOR ALL. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION FOR SUPPORTING THIS AND I THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT BUT I THINK WE HAVE COME TO A GOOD COMPROMISE WITH A LOT OF GROUPS THAT CAME TOGETHER AND CREATED A PARK FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY. LET'S CALL THE ROLL.

>> -- YES. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. YES. COMMISSIONER ROSS. YES.

[5.3. CITY SEAL USE APPROVAL – NONPARTISAN "CANDIDATE FORUM & TOWN HALL" – RESOLUTION 2024-127 APPROVING USE OF THE CITY SEAL FOR THE NONPARTISAN “CANDIDATE FORUM & TOWN HALL” OUTREACH MATERIALS IN 2024; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves use of the City seal for the nonpartisan "Candidate Forum & Town Hall" outreach materials. This citizen-organized "Candidate Forum & Town Hall" is slated to take place September 11, 2024, at the Atlantic Avenue Recreation Center Joan Bean Auditorium.]

VICE MAYOR STURGES. YES. MAYOR BEAN. YES.

>> THAT PASSES, 5-0. THANK YOU. HEADING ON DOWN THE LINE. WE GO TO 5.3 .

OKAY, JUMPING BACK IN. RE-ESTABLISHING EITHER JEREMIAH OR -- WITH 5.3. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT THE ITEM? PERFECT.

>> OKAY. THE USE OF THE CITY SEAL. THE CITY GETS RECASTS TO USE THE CITY SEAL. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS FLORIDA LAW PROVIDES IF THE CITY OR COUNTY HAS PASSED AN ORDINANCE TO PROTECT THEIR SEAL THAT IS A CONCRETE PROTECTION, THEN ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO USE IT WOULD BE VIOLATING COPYRIGHT LAWS UNLESS THEY HAVE PERMISSION. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR USE OF THE CITY SEAL IT. SO I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED TO ALL OF YOU ABOUT IT AND YOU HAVE SEEN BACKUP. AS ANY OTHER INFORMATION? I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.

>> I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE. CAN

YOU MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR BEAN. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO WITHDRAW THIS WEEK HAS BEEN I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE ARE HAVING A CANDIDATE TOWN HALL AND FORUM ON SEPTEMBER 11TH AT ATLANTIC REC CENTER. THAT WILL INCLUDE ALL CITY CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR WITH MAYOR CANDIDATE BUT ON THE OTHER SIX CITY COMMISSION

[5.4. FRANCHISE AGREEMENT THIRD AMENDMENT - AMELIA HISTORIC TOURS, LLC - RESOLUTION 2024-128 APPROVING THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH AMELIA HISTORIC TOURS, LLC TO UPDATE TOUR ROUTES OFFERED AND FARES; ALLOWING FOR REGULATORY SIGNAGE AT THE PICK-UP POINT; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the Amelia Historic Tours, LLC Franchise Agreement Third Amendment by adding additional tour offerings, changing their rates, providing for their pick-up point signage to be visible from both directions. ]

CANDIDATES BID WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE 6:00 UNTIL 8:00,

SEPTEMBER 11TH. >> I THINK WILL GO AHEAD IT WILL SKIP 5.3 AND GO RIGHT ON TO 5.4 .

>> THIS IS FOR THE NEEDS OF BUSINESS CHANGING OF AMELIA HIS STRIKE TOURS, LLC. THEY HAVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS AND HAVE ASKED FOR A THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEIR

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RATES ARE INCLUDED IN THE FRANCHISE. THEY CHANGE THEIR RIGHT . BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THEIR GROUPS JUST A LITTLE BIT. THAT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. THE OTHER IS TO MAKE SURE TO HAVE THE TROLLEYS ASSIGNED OUT BY THE WATERFRONT WHERE THEY HAVE A PICKUP POINT. AND ALSO DROP OFF POINT. THIS IS A REQUEST TO HAVE A SIGN INSTALLED THERE. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE

REQUEST. >> ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE NO

QUESTION. IS THERE A MOTION? >> SO MOVED.

>> MOTION SECONDED . >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THAT PICK UP HIS DOWN ON FRONT STREET. IN TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE PARKING COMES IN. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS STRICTLY SO THE RESTAURANTS AROUND THERE COULD HAVE DROP OFF OR GOODS AND SERVICES. WHEN YOU START ALLOWING PICKUP RIGHT THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO START HAVING MORE TROUBLE. I WENT BY THERE TODAY AND THERE WAS THE CAR THAT WAS PARKED THERE . I NICER PUSH WHATEVER. THE TRUCK, THE FUEL VEHICLE, TRYING TO GET TO THE TANKS FROM THE MARINA, IT COULD NOT GET IN THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER TRUCK THAT WAS BLOCKING THE OTHER ONE ON FRONT STREET, ACHING DELIVERIES. ONCE WE ALLOW THAT PARTICULAR ROUTE TO CONTINUOUSLY HAVE PEOPLE BE DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP . KEEP IN MIND, WHEN ASKED STREET OPENS, THAT TRAFFIC WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE RIGHT THERE. I DO NOT THINK THAT IS A GOOD DROP-OFF AND PICKUP POINTS. I THINK AS A CITY, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS A GOOD DROP-OFF AND PICKUP POINT FOR ALL OF THE TROLLEYS, FOR ALL OF THE TOOLS . AND THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, TO ME, THAT IS A VERY POOR SPOT TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF, SPECIFICALLY WHEN , AGAIN, YOU CAN GO BY THERE AND FRONT STREET IS BROUGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TRUCKS TRYING TO GET IN THERE. AND THE CITY DID THAT FOR A REASON. WE PUT THAT IN FOR A REASON. PARKING RIGHT THERE TO PUT THAT IN THERE. I THINK WE NEED TO RECONSIDER THAT PART.

SAID THAT KEY. VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> THANK YOU, . I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I WAS UNDER THE IN RUSSIAN IT WAS NOT THAT TURNAROUND. THIS SITE AREA ON ASH STREET WAS A PICKUP AND DROP OFF. IF I AM NOT CORRECT, AND THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT ANSWER, I AM CONFUSED AS WELL.

>> I BELIEVE THAT HE IS HERE. IF MR. DAILY HERE?

>> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER BUT HONESTLY, STAFF WORKED ON THIS.

CITY CLERK ? >> NAME AND ADDRESS, FIRST.

>> THIS IS FROM FRONT STREET. >> MY NAME IS --

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. >> THE TURNAROUND, THAT IS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE. THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT COME IN AT THAT LOCATION AND IN REGARDS T■O HE GAS TRUCK, T HAS TO BE PARKED FARTHER TO PELICAN TO RUN THE LINES OUT.

THAT IS WHERE THE ACTUAL GAS LINES ARE FILTER ABOUT THAT POINT. I HAVE NEVER IN 2 TO 3 YEARS, THERE'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE -- WE HAVE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THE FERNANDINA BEACH POLICE.

THERE IS A NO MAN'S LAND OR OF -- AREA THAT WE CAN PULL INTO TEMPORARILY. THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE. IN OVERSPILL FOR

COLLECTION. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK.

I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE ANSWER IS, HOW LONG CAN WE DO IT LIKE THIS? WITHOUT A PERMIT?

>> WE HAVE MOVED FROM ASH STREET. I WILL SAY THAT WAS ABOUT 2022. THANKS ORIGINALLY, BEFORE WE MOVED --

>> RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE. >> THAT IS WHERE I THOUGHT --

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>> IT MAKES IT EASIER. >> OKAY. I'M A LITTLE BEHIND THE TIMES I BELIEVE IT TO SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO DISCUSS

IT. >> SO COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, I HEAR YOUR POINT. WE WOULD LIKE TO AVOID BLACK -- BACKLOG.

ESTHER DAILY, DO YOU THINK THAT IS THE BEST PLACE FOR YOUR DROP-OFF AND PICKUP? IS THERE A BETTER PLACE?

>> THERE SINCE WE RESIGNED TO THAT LOCATION. NEVER HAD AN ISSUE.

IF I'M PARKED THERE AND ANOTHER TRUCK COMES IN BEHIND ME, I WILL MOVE ON FORWARD. WELL KNOW WE ARE ALREADY --

>> OF COURSE. >> I HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT I THINK WILL SOLVE THE ISSUE. WHAT I'M HEARING COMMISSIONER AYSCUE SAY IS THAT IF THE PROBLEM . MANY OF THE DELIVERIES. SO AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONER AYSCUE , LET'S DO THIS. ANY AGREEMENT, IT SAYS -- IF WE PUT SOME LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO RESPOND, WE WILL BE GIVING A SUITABLE ALTERNATIVE THAT WILL APPLY TO THE TROLLEYS TOO. IT WOULD BE THE OTHER BUSINESS ALSO. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CIRCULATION IS AS WE DO THE IMPROVEMENTS ON FRONT STREET.

THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT.

>> I MEAN, IT SAYS GRANTEE HAS NONEXCLUSIVE. ANYBODY ELSE CAN TRY TO PICK UP. BUT USE OF THE LOADING ZONE NEAR MARINA. THAT IS MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE NUMBER OF THESE BUSINESSES CONTINUE TO GROW. THE TROLLEYS, THE WALKING TOURS BUT ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS. AND IF THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PICKUP SPOTS, GET US IN A POSITION THAT IF THERE ARE SIX OR EIGHT OR 10 PICKING UP THERE, WHEN THE MAIN -- OF THAT WAS FOR DELIVERIES, AND THEN AGAIN, WE ARE OPENING UP THE STREET, THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. I'M SORRY. OPENING UP -- THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC COMING BY THERE TOO. TRAFFIC IS TURNING OFF. BACK AND FORTH. THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. IT IS NOT THAT ONE PERSON IS DOING IT OR TWO PEOPLE. IT IS WHEN WE GET TO A POINT THAT 10 OR 12. THAT IS WHEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE.

I WAS SIMPLY STATING, LET'S ADDRESS IT FROM THE HOLE.

LET'S ADDRESS IT ALL THE WAY AROUND. LET'S FIND WHAT WORKS BEST FOR OUR TRAFFIC SITUATION AND OUR PEDESTRIANS WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOOLS.

AND WHAT WORKS BEST IN TERMS OF HELPING THE BUSINESS. I'M ALL ABOUT TRYING TO HELP THE BUSINESS OUT. EVERYONE LOVES THEM. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE IS JUST --. THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT. I THINK WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO THAT. AS HE OPEN -- WE WILL HAVE A CHANGE IN TRAFFIC FLOW. WITH THAT IN MIND, IF WE COULD PUT IT, THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT FOR A SUITABLE REPLACEMENT. WE COULD MOVE THAT BUT I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST OPTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR BEAN. I AGREE WITH BOTH OF THEM BUT I THINK THE REAL ANSWER IS WE WILL HAVE A COMPLETE CHANGE SOONER OR LATER. IF NOT LATER, IT IS SOONER. IT IS COMING FAST. DEALING WITH THE -- ISSUE. FRONT STREET N -- AND ALL THAT COMES AROUND, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WILL CHANGE IN THE ENVIRONMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE. WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE THAT DROP OFF SPOT ANYMORE.

IS ALL GOING TO CHANGE. LET'S JUST PUT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE.

THANK YOU. >> AS I EXPLAIN TO MR. DAILY, I WOULD PUT IN THERE SOMETHING ABOUT WE WOULD USUALLY -- ANOTHER LOCATION.

>> THANK YOU PET I APPRECIATE THAT.

OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ] IF THAT IS OKAY, THEN RATHER THAN HAVE THE ORDINANCE, THERE IS NOT A MOTION. STAFF WILL RECOMMEND AMENDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE WHERE THE NEW SIGNAGE AND DROP OFF PICKUP POINT IS AT THAT POINT CAN CHANGE . THE CITY RESOLVES -- RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THE LOCATION AND WORK ON ANOTHER SUITABLE LOCATION BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THE FRANCHISES .

>> ABSOLUTELY >> WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND

. >> THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT THE

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MOTION MAKER -- AMENDING THE MOTION.

>> DO I HEAR -- WE WILL TAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. IS THERE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE SECOND?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT .

>> WITH THAT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND WITH THE AMENDMENT. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? CITY CLERK,

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. YES.

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. YES. COMMISSIONER ROSS. YES. MAYOR

[5.5. AMENDING CITY COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE - AGENDA ITEMS - RESOLUTION 2024-129 AMENDING THE CITY COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE BY MODIFYING PROVISIONS RELATED TO PLACEMENT OF ITEMS ON THE CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING AGENDAS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: This Resolution proposes amendments to the City Commission Rules of Procedure to modify how items are placed on Regular Meeting agendas.]

BEAN. DESPERATE >> THAT PASSES, 5-0. ITEM

NUMBER 5.5 >> THANK YOU. 5.5 IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE PUT ON THE AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER AYSCUE . THIS IS HOW ITEMS ARE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION. THIS IS BASICALLY THE MAYOR OR TWO CITY COMMISSIONER. THEY PLACE ITEMS ON THE CITY COMMISSION VOTING AGENDA.

>> PERFECT. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE. IS THIS HOW IT

OPERATED IN THE PAST? >> YES. HE HAS EARNED, THE CITY CLERK AND I, THAT WE HAD THIS KIND OF FIGHTS AND YOU WILL BEFORE WE EVEN TOOK OUR ROLLS. BUT WE FOUND THAT WAS NOT THE

CASE . >> IN YOUR MEMORY, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE QUITE SOME TIME. HOW LONG IS THE CITY

OPERATED LIKE THIS MY >> AT LEAST 17 YEARS SINCE I

HAVE BEEN HERE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S

GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP -- >> WAIT A MINUTE. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME, THE CITY HAS OPERATED FOR 17 YEARS, YET ONCE -- AN NO, I DON'T REMEMBER THE OTHER COMMISSIONER. THERE WAS

-- IT WAS DURING -- >>

>> I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT THAT'S OKAY

>> I'M VOTING AGAINST IT. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHISTLE -- WAY TOO MUCH BUT IT IS BALONEY. I THINK ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.

I AM OPPOSED TO IT. >> THERE WAS A SECOND BUT I DO NOT REMEMBER THE SECOND PERSON BECAUSE THE CLERK AND I, DURING THESE DISCUSSIONS , HAD BEEN HYPER FOCUSED ON WHAT THE DISCUSSION HAS GONE BACK AND REVIEWED. THE VIDEOTAPE. AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE RIGHT.

IT WAS NOT JUST COMMISSIONER AYSCUE WITH THIS ON THE AGENDA.

>> WITH THAT, LET'S GO AHEAD AND -- IF ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS. THANK YOU. WE WILL START WITH LINDA --

>> SANDY CAREY.

>> SANDY CAREY . AS WE'RE STANDING HERE TONIGHT, THERE NEVER HAS BEEN -- WILL THIS IS NOT AN AMENDMENT. THIS IS IN ADDITION TO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT IS NEVER BEEN CODIFIED. WHAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING, EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN DONE THIS WAY FOR 17 YEARS, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. EVERY COMMISSIONER REPRESENTS EVERY CITIZEN. AND EVERY COMMISSIONER, AS WAS STATED BY COMMISSIONER ROSS, THERE SHOULD BE THE ABILITY TO PUT ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

INAUDIBLE ] THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU HAVE TO PUT A CAVEAT THAT IT HAS TO BE A MAYOR OR TWO COMMISSIONERS. THAT IS THE AGENDA AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE FREEDOM OF PEOPLE IN A MINORITY OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. ON RECORD, I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL COME FORWARD. ONE IS SITTING ON THE COMMISSION BOARD AND WHAT IS FROM THE COMMISSION BOARD. THEY TOLD ME IN A PRIVATE CONVERSATION THAT THEY WERE BROUGHT INTO THE FORMER CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ALONG WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND TOLD THAT THAT IS THE WAY I KNEW COMMISSIONER COMING IN WAS INSTRUCTED TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. EITHER THE MAYOR OR TWO COMMISSIONERS BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO CODIFY TONIGHT JUST BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. IT IS A PROBLEM TO ME THAT BUSINESS HAS BEEN DONE THIS WAY FOR THIS LONG.

WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS BEING TOLD , WRONGLY, THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT ROAD. THEY FOLLOW THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD BY WHO I JUST MENTIONED , THAT WAS THE WAY TO DO IT. SO THIS IS NOT AN AMENDMENT. YOUR AGENDA SAYS,

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YOUR WILL IS A PROCEDURE SAYS, ALL DISCUSSION ITEMS, PARENTHESES, NOT RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES , WHICH IS EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO BE VOTED ON. RECENT AGENTS WILL BE ADDED FOR SUBMISSION APPROVED THE CITY MANAGER. ONLY DISCUSSION ITEMS RELATED TO HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE MAY BE ADDED TO A COMMISSION AGENDA WITHOUT PROPER NOTICE .

PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO 10 MINUTES UNLESS THE CITY MANAGER OR THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY COMMISSION ALLOWS EXTRA TIME.

THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR ORDINANCES OR RESOLUTIONS , WHICH IS THE HEART OF DOING BUSINESS AT CITY HALL.

PROCLAMATIONS AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS , THEY ARE ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE TO BE GOTTEN THROUGH. THIS IS WHAT CREATES -- YOU ARE LIMITING THE CITIZENS BY CONTROLLING THIS AGENDA. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FEEL THERE HAVE TO BE TWO COMMISSIONERS OR ONLY THE MAYOR WHO GETS UNEQUAL TREATMENT THAN THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE JUST LIKE THAT BUT YOU HAVE EXTRA DUTIES. BUT THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU MORE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES AT YOUR DISPOSAL THAN ANYBODY ELSE. THIS IS JUST WRONG. IT IS TOTALLY WRONG. I REALLY HOPE THE PEOPLE HEARD THIS FROM, THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE, TOLD ME ABOUT THIS CONVERSATION . STAND UP AND TELL THE TRUTH. THIS IS A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. 17 YEARS? COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT

PUT THIS ON THE BOOKS? >> THANK YOU. OKAY. LET'S GET MISS SHEILA KOBE.

>> SORRY.

>> 1553 INDIGO STREET. I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I HAVE SAID ABOUT THIS ITEM BEFORE. ALL OF YOU ARE ELECTED I THINK EACH ONE OF YOU HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA.

IT SHOULD ONLY TAKE ONE. I KNOW ONE OF THE REASONS FOR IT BEING SHOT DOWN EARLIER WAS, OH, WHAT IF SOMEBODY KEEPS BRINGING IT BACK WEEK AFTER WEEK? I WOULD THINK , AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT IS A PERTINENT ISSUE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY, THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BRING IT BACK AS MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY. PROBABLY NOT OFTEN, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT EACH OF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE YOUR MINDS AT TIMES. SO IT COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE YOU FELT ONE-WAY ABOUT IT A WEEK AGO, TWO COMES A MONTH LATER OR SOMETIME LATER YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT IT. SO I THINK IF YOU EACH HAVE THE RATES YOU HAVE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS, YOU WILL NOT MAKE THIS TWO REQUIREMENT FOR TWO COMMISSIONERS OR JUST THE MAYOR. EACH OF YOU HAVE THAT

OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY.

WITH THAT IN MIND, DO I HEAR A MOTION? SAMET MOVED TO APPROVE

. >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WILL START WITH COMMISSIONER

ANTUN. >> I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION.

AYSCUE. >> WE ARE CODIFYING SOMETHING THAT I THINK HAS BEEN UNDERSTOOD FOR A WHILE.

I THINK THAT THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON. YOU KNOW, IT TYPICALLY TAKES MORE THAN ONE COMMISSIONER GOING TO THEIR STAFF AND GETTING SOMETHING PLACED ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS NOT ATYPICAL AT ALL. I AM SEEKING TO OTHER GOVERNMENTS IN OUR COUNTY. THEY DO NOT JUST PLACE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO.

STAFF DOES THAT TO PROTECT THE ONE . SO THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT IS NEW. I DON'T THINK IT IS A BIG CHANGE. IT NEEDS TO BE

CODIFIED. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. OH, COMMISSIONER ROSS, GO AHEAD.

>> MAYBE YOU WILL UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS , BUT I NEVER UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS THE WAY IT WAS AND I BEEN DOING THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS. NOBODY EVER TOLD ME . I THINK THAT IS A MISCHARACTERIZATION. I DO NOT BELIEVE -- I AGREE . IT SHOULD BE ONE CITY COMMISSIONER. AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE REQUIREMENT OF TWO COMMISSIONERS INDEPENDENTLY REQUESTING THE CITY MANAGER OR CLERK PLACED THE CONSIDERATION VIOLATES THE SUNSHINE LAW.

THIS IS JUST NOT WORKABLE. ALL THE COMMISSIONERS EQUAL -- SEVEN YEARS. I JUST THINK THIS IS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

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INAUDIBLE ] >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

ROSS. COMMISSIONER ANTUN . >> IT WAS BUT I DO NOT KNOW THAT WAS WITH CANADIAN BY ACCIDENT.

I CAME INTO THIS COMMISSION THAT IT WAS BEING CODIFIED NOW.

IT IS THE WAY WE HAVE DONE BUSINESS BUT I'M NOT DEFENDING IT, BUT I AGREE WITH THE CITIZEN FEEDBACK. WE SHOULD HAVE FEEDBACK FROM THE MINORITY. IT IS ON MARCH AND IT ELECTED. I WAS EXPLICITLY TOLD TO GO TO MY FIRST TWO MEETINGS WITH DALE MARTIN, THAT IT TOOK TWO COMMISSIONERS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. I HAD AN ITEM TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. I WAS UNABLE TO DO SO. AT THAT TIME. I COULD NOT GET IT ON THE AGENDA. WE NEED TO CODIFY THIS SO IT IS FAIR. PERSONALLY, I COULD GO EITHER WAY. I THINK WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT IS FINE. I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH HOW WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT. WE NEED TO CODIFY IT SO IT IS FAIR. IF WE HAVE NO REAL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE UNEQUAL TREATMENT OF THE RULES. WE MUST CODIFY THE RULES TO MAKE SURE IT IS FAIR FOR EVERYBODY. THAT IS WHY IT WILL SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THE RULES WRITTEN DOWN . WE CANNOT BE BASING IT OFF OF RULES THAT ARE VERBALLY TOLD FROM PERSON-TO-PERSON? COMMISSIONER ROSS NEVER HEARD SUCH A RULE, BUT I HEARD THAT RULE. SO FOR THAT REASON, WE NEED TO CODIFY THE RULE, OTHERWISE, POINTED UP WITH PEOPLE BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IS BEING DONE AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS TO READ THE RULES FOR THAT IS WHY I KNEW THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE . >> I DID READ THE RULES. IT'S IN THEIR IN A DIFFERENT FORM. THAT IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE. IT STATES, IN ORDER TO HOLD A SPECIAL MEETING COMING UP TO HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS OR THE MAYOR. THAT IS WHERE THE CONFUSION, I THINK, CROSS STAFF AND EVERYBODY CAME FROM BRIDWELL, IT TAKES THAT TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING THEN THAT MUST BE WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO ADDED TO THE AGENDA. I MEAN, I NEVER LOOKED AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SAYING, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE THAT WE NEED TO CODIFY THAT AND I KIND OF TOOK IT THAT WE TOOK THAT TO CALL A MEETING, IT TAKES THAT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. BUT HERE WE ARE IN GETTING THIS DONE. THAT IS WHERE I WAS. ON THE RULES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> -- YES. COMMISSIONER ANTUN . YES. COMMISSIONER ROSS -- YES,

THAT PASSES 3-2. >> I WANTED TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE LAST ITEM. I DID NOT MAKE THE RULE. WHEN I CAME TO WORK FOR THE CITY, THAT IS HOW WE ALWAYS DID IT.

>> 17 PLUS. >> THAT WAS ALWAYS IN PLACE

[5.6. AMENDING CITY COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE - WORKSHOPS - RESOLUTION 2024-130 AMENDING THE CITY COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE BY PROVIDING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS AT CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP MEETINGS; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: This Resolution proposes amending the City Commission Rules of procedure designating the first Tuesday of each month be reserved for Commissioner Workshops and allowing for public comment for at least fifteen minutes at these Workshops.]

FROM THE TIME I GOT THERE. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TEXT AMENDMENT

>> THIS IS FOR WORKSHOP MEETINGS AND IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT WE WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP EVERY FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH. PRIOR TO AT 5:00, PRIOR TO THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING. IT ALSO SAYS THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS PROVIDED EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO VOTING ON WORKSHOPS. PUBLIC VOTING IS ALLOWED AT ALL WORKSHOPS. THERE WILL BE A DEDICATED, AT LEAST 15 MINUTES OF TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, THERE HAS TO CUT OF THE DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSIONERS AT FIVE -- 5:45 SO THERE IS 15 MINUTES ALLOWED FOR COMMENT BUT IF THERE ARE NO ITEMS ON THE WORK SUPPLEMENTED, THEN THE COMMISSION WILL CONVENE ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WHEN WE PUBLISH THAT AGENDA, IT IS GOING TO STAY PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT IS WHAT IS PROPOSED .

>> EXCELLENT. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL UP RICHARD DEAN.

>> 4104 -- PLACE. WITH THE RECAP . HOW WE START THIS CONVERSATION. THIS STARTED ABOUT MOVING THE COMMENT PERIODS IN THESE MEETINGS BACK TO WHERE IT ONCE WAS. WE DECIDED NOT TO DO THAT WHICH I THINK IS A MISTAKE. PEOPLE HAVE EXPLAIN THAT PUSHES THINGS TO THE BACK. I THINK IT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE CONSTITUENTS. THE OTHER THING IS TOWN HALLS. THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE. I AM AFRAID

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THAT IF YOU PITCH THAT TO THE PUBLIC AS HERE'S YOUR 15 MINUTES, , YOU ARE DONE. I THINK THAT WILL CREATE SOME SORT OF ILL WILL. THAT DOES NOT REALLY FEEL LIKE THE TOWN HALL PURPOSE IS TO GET IT MORE COMPLETE. A COMPLETE DISCUSSION. THE BENEFITS OF TOWN HALL OR THAT, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE GOT ATTORNEYS, ENGINEERS, FORMER GOVERNMENT RITUALS. PEOPLE WHO ARE A CHART EXPERTS WHO I THINK IN EARLY HELP BRING FORWARD SOLUTIONS , IDEAS, TO MAKE THE CITY PERFORM BETTER.

IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FIRST FEW POINTS TO BE HEARD RESPECTFULLY. WE CAN BUILD CONSENSUS ON THINGS. ONE OF THE REASONS WE PUSHED BACK THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IN THE COMMISSION MEETINGS WAS THE BIG RUCKUS OVER PRIDE ISSUES. I THINK WE HAD A TOWN HALL MEETING. WE MOVE THAT DISCUSSION OUT OF THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. THAT IS THE WAY YOU DID THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES. NOT GETTING IN THE WAY OF DOING THE REGULAR BUSINESS AS COMMISSIONERS. AND I THINK INAUDIBLE ] THE PUBLIC HAD TO GO AND HOLD THEIR OWN TOWN HALL MEETING TO HAVE THE KIND OF -- ABOUT COMMUNITY SAFETY ISSUES.

THAT IS NOT MEANT FOR THE CITY. NOW SOME COMMISSIONERS SAID THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT ON THE SPOT FOR AN ANSWER.

PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER COULD DO WHAT YOU DO. IN OTHER SITUATIONS, IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, WE WILL LOOK COME BACK. YOUR STAFF TO ADDRESS THAT. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS. THEIR CONCERNS. WHAT YOU ARE PROJECTING IS THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO ENGAGE WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS. THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF WHY SEEK CITY OFFICE IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO FULLY ENGAGE WITH YOUR CONSTITUENTS? THANK YOU.

>> HE. WE WELCOME -- >> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. GOOD AFTERNOON. -- I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS , I SUPPORT THESE WORKSHOPS AT THAN THAT, I THINK YOU NEED TO CREATE A SECTION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ASK, NOT TO MAKE COMMENTS BUT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND EXPECT ANSWERS FROM ALL OF YOU. THE COMMENTS YOU MAKE AT THE END OF THIS MEETING AND DURING THIS MEETING, INFLUENCE THE COMMUNITY. SUPPORTERS WANT YOU TO GET THE SUPPORT BEHIND THE PROJECTS YOU WANT US TO SEE. I THINK THAT IS -- BUT LET ME ILLUSTRATE FOR YOU WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. I WANT TO BRING IT AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS THE -- EVENT. MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WE HAVE -- TO DISCUSS AND THEN YOU HAVE REJECTED HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. WHAT HAPPENED? IN THE MEETING OF JULY 2ND, DESPITE THAT THESE COMMISSIONERS THAT IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF COMMUNICATION, THIS COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, WENT -- AND I QUOTE THAT THE LACK OF INTEGRATION WAS NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE THE PLANS WERE STILL A LONG WAYS AND BARELY INTO THE -- OKAY. ON THE OTHER HAND, RYAN SIEGEL -- HOLDS QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH WALL STREET ANALYSTS . THESE ARE CAREFULLY CRAFTED INTERVENTIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS.

THE LAST MEETING IN MAY 7TH, THESE ARE PUBLIC READINGS. THEY GET RECORDED. THEY GET TRANSCRIBED. THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU IF YOU WISH TO SEND IT , I WILL SEND IT. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. TWO MONTHS AGO, BEFORE COMMISSIONER AYSCUE SAID , THE PLANS WERE -- " WE HAVE COMMENCED THE DETAIL ENGINEERING PLACE. THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT KNOW, THE DETAILED ENGINEERING IS DONE WHEN YOU HAVE ANYTHING GEARED OUT. THAT IS WHEN YOU START SPECIFYING PUMPS, MATERIALS , FOUNDATIONS, BUILDINGS, EVERYTHING. SO WHEN YOU DO NOT ALLOW THIS , THE SECTIONS ARE PEOPLE CAN ASK SECTIONS QUESTIONS . ON ONE HAND, YOU HAVE THE STATEMENT FROM A COMMISSIONER SAYING, NO,

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WE ARE NOT ALLOWING IT. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE THE CEO OF THE CORPORATION THING, WE ARE -- SO WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS HERE? ARE WE IMPLYING THAT RYAN WAS MISLEADING? OR DO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT DOES NOT CHECK AND VERIFY THE SOURCE OF INFORMATION? BUT THEN HE CREATES A WHOLE BUNCH OF CONFUSION. SO YOU NEED TO ASK AND HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. -- OR ARE YOU CHECKING THE SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR YOU GO PUBLICLY AND SAY , THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM? LASTLY, I WOULD SAY, I INVITED ALL OF YOU. YOU COULD CHALLENGE IN AND SAY, NO, YOU ARE NOT. ONLY THE COMMISSIONER WAS. YOU NEED TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US. SO YOU CAN AVOID CONFUSION TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE MISS LINDA HEART GREEN.

>> GOOD EVENING. LINDA HEART GREEN, 1602 HIGHLAND DUMAS WAY.

I'M GOING TO ALSO ADDRESS THE TOPIC THAT IS BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE OTHER TWO SPEAKERS ON THIS BUT I WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOCUS DUE TO MY OWN BACKGROUND.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU FOR A MINUTE ABOUT LISTENING.

SOMETHING ALREADY DONE A GREAT DEAL OF LISTENING THIS EVENING.

YOU HAVE TO DO A LOT OF THIS IN YOUR JOB. I RESPECT THAT. AND I KNOW LISTENING IS DIFFICULT WORK. LISTENING WELL IS REALLY DIFFICULT WORK. THE ONE WAY WE CAN SHOW THAT WE CARE IS TO LISTEN WELL. BY LISTENING WELL, I MEAN, YOU ARE NOT MESSING WITH YOUR PHONE, WHILE SOMEONE ELSE IS SPEAKING. YOU ARE NOT PLAYING IN YOUR HEAD WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY BACK TO THAT PERSON. WHILE THEY ARE SPEAKING. YOU ARE TAKING IN WHAT THEY ARE SAYING TO YOU. AND THE OTHER WAY YOU DO THAT IS WITH GOOD NONVERBAL SKILLS. LIKE SOME OF YOU ARE USING NOW.

YOU'RE MAKING EYE CONTACT. YOU MIGHT EVEN LEAN FORWARD TO LISTEN. ALL OF THESE THINGS COMMUNICATE GOOD LISTENING. WHY DO I BRING THIS UP? BECAUSE THE SECRET SAUCE YOU GET OUT OF GOOD LISTENING IS TRUST. TRUST CANNOT HAVE A DOUBT OF VALUE ON IT. IT IS INVALUABLE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GET THINGS DONE EFFICIENTLY AND WELL , WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF CONFUSION AND HURT FEELINGS, YOU NEED TO DO THE LISTENING TO BUILD TRUST.

THAT IS WHY THIS CURRENT PLAN , THE WAY IT LOOKS LIKE , ONLY A FEW MINUTES, MAYBE 15 OR MORE WOULD BE ALLOTTED FOR THIS PROCESS. IF YOU CAN SOLVE PROBLEMS AND ANSWER QUESTIONS IN YOUR FAMILIES, AND IN YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS IN 15 MINUTES, WOULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU DO THAT? BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU DO IT THAT QUICKLY. IT TAKES BACK AND FORTH IN UNDERSTANDING. IF THERE WAS A VENUE, KIND OF THE TOWN HALL WHERE SOME OF THAT COULD TAKE PLACE IN ADVANCE, I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE YOUR JOBS EASIER. AND MAYBE MAKE THINGS MORE SMOOTH. MOST OF ALL, MOST OF ALL, IT WOULD PUT INTO THE EQUATION THAT WONDERFUL ELEMENT THAT BUILDS A POSITIVE COMMUNITY. THAT IS TRUST. I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

LET'S GET MISS SANDY KERRY. >> WELCOME BACK

>> THANK YOU.

HAS AN APPEARANCE OF INVOLVING RHETORIC THAT IN ACTUALITY, JUST AS THERE IS BEEN A MISUNDERSTANDING AND MISAPPLICATION OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, ON THE AGENDA ITEMS, THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR WORKSHOP IT SAYS IN TWO POINT IT, WORKSHOP MEETING STRENGTH WORKSHOP OR WORK SESSION MEETINGS, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ALLOWED USING THE SAME USE

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AS CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS. IT IS ALLOWED. WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN FOLLOWED? WHERE IS THE CITY ATTORNEY? SHE IS THE PARLIAMENTARIAN ON YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ADVISING YOU THAT IT IS NOT HOW YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE DONE OR HOW YOU HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT. IF IT WAS BEING DONE WRONG, SHE HAS A DUTY TO INFORM YOU WHAT THE RULES ACTUALLY SAY OR DO NOT SAY. SO YOU ARE NOT GIVING THE PUBLIC ANYTHING THEY DO NOT ALREADY THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN YOUR COURT RULE. AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT AMENDING ANYTHING, OTHER THAN THE TIE. THE WORKSHOP IS SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATED JUST LIKE A CITY COMMISSION MEETING WHERE THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA. AND THEREAFTER , FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO CONTROL EVEN MORE.

SHOULD BE COMPLETELY FREE FLOWING WITH COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CITIZENS AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE WORKSHOP.

I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK WHY THESE, I DON'T CARE IF THEY THOUGHT IT WAS THIS WAY. THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. DECADES OF PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE NOT BEING FOLLOWED BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD THIS IN A CONVERSATION THAT WAS INCORRECT? WHERE'S THE ACCOUNTABILITY? WHY DO HAVE A CITY COMPTROLLER CITY MANAGER OR A CITY ATTORNEY FOR IF THEY ARE TELLING YOU THE WRONG THING? ARE THERE NOT GIVING YOU THE PROPER INFORMATION? THERE NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY.

THIS IS MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. >> JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT, IT IS THE EXACT SAME RULES AND PROCEDURE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE -- ON EVERY ITEM . AS WE SPECIFIED EARLIER TONIGHT, WHEN THERE IS A NONVOTING ITEM, SUCH AS A PRESENTATION OR WHEN THE WASTE MANAGEMENT GUY CAME UP YOU TALK, THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON NONVOTING ITEMS. EVERYTHING IN THE WORKSHOP IS NONVOTING. THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE WORKSHOPS WHEN WE ARE MAKING A HUGE CHANGE WITH THIS TONIGHT.

THAT IS WE ARE ADDING PUBLIC COMMENT TO WORKSHOPS. THAT IS NOT BEEN, UNTIL NOW. THAT IS BIG DEAL. WILL ADD EXTRA PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT IS ALWAYS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE RULES. OF COURSE WE HAVE -- IS THAT CORRECT? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD ONTO THAT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MISS SHEILA COLBY.

>> 1553 INDIGO STREET. CAN I GET ON PAYROLL? JUST KIDDING.

SORRY. >>

>> SORRY. I THINK -- SUPPORT THIS ITEM, WE ARE DOING A DOUBLE DISSERVICE. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TO MANY OF THE WORKSHOPS WHERE THERE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS BEING DISCUSSED. THERE IS A LOT OF DEBATE BETWEEN THE ROLE OR THE STAFF WHO IS SUPPORTING THAT HAD AND MANY TIMES, WE HAVE BEEN REALLY RUSHING TO THE END TO GET TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. I THINK YOU WOULD BE MANY TIMES CUTTING THAT SHORT AFTER ALLOWING FOR 15 MINUTES THAT WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I THINK ARE ALSO CUTTING THE CITIZEN SHORT, ONLY ALLOWING 15 MINUTES BED I THINK A TOWN HALL, A SEPARATE MEETING, IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.

AGAIN, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT ARE BRIGHT PEOPLE. THEY HAVE A DIVERSE BACKGROUND AND A LOT TO OFFER.

ANY TIMES, I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF, WITH SOME OF YOU. I HAVE HER SUGGESTIONS ABOUT A WAY THAT MAYBE YOU HAD NOT CONSIDERED. THAT BACK AND FORTH IS BENEFICIAL TO ME AS WELL. MAYBE I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION IN A WAY THAT YOU DO. I CAN SEE IT FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. WHAT IS HAPPENING, THE BIOETHANOL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE WATERPARK . BEFORE YOU GET TO A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT WITH PITCHFORKS, AND IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HEAR THOSE THINGS. AND TO BE HONEST, TOUCHING ON THE COMMENTS BY REVEREND GREEN, IT IS ABOUT TRUST BUT I CAN TELL YOU, HAVING SAT HERE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, JUST ABOUT EVERY MEETING, IT IS LACKING . PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT ELECT THEY ARE HEARD BUT I THINK SOME OF YOU EXIST IN YOUR ECO-CHAMBERS A LITTLE TOO MUCH.

PEOPLE WANT TO TELL YOU. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT

ARE GOING TO IMPACT THEM. >> THE BIOETHANOL PLANT, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR FEELINGS ARE ABOUT IT . WHETHER YOU SUPPORTED OR NOT, IF IT IS COMING HERE, THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE PREPARED FOR THE IMPACTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE. THAT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT

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IT. IF IT IS COMING AND THAT IS HAPPENING, WHY DO YOU NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THAT? WHY ARE PEOPLE GETTING LAWYERS TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ? IT IS ALL HAPPENING IN A VACUUM. YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THAT WITH A SIMPLE VOTE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. THANK

YOU. >> DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> SAMET MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?

>> I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

ORIGINAL MOTION I WAS PUSHING FORWARD. THAT IS MY POSITION.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> WITH A LOT OF THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE FOR TONIGHT WITH THIS, I AM STILL , I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW OUR TOWN HALL WILL FIX IT. I DON'T. I THINK , WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STARTING AT 9:00 AND GOING UNTIL 6:00 WITH AN HOUR LUNCH BREAK. THAT JUST BEING A COMPLETE DAY OF US SITTING IN HERE . BEING COMPLETELY AVAILABLE. I DO NOT SEE HOW AN HOUR FIXES IT BUT I DO NOT. I DO NOT HOW, WHAT IS GETTING SAID HERE IS NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TOWN HALL. WHAT EVERYBODY IN HERE. WE WANT COMMISSIONERS TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS BACK AND FORTH FOR THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. IT IS NOT.

IT IS AN ALL-DAY THING. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM AND SAYING WE ARE GOING TO TAKE AN ENTIRE DAY. IT IS NOT, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS YEAR, THIS 15 MINUTES. IT DOESN'T SAY IN THE RULES, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ALLOWED. I'M NOT DISAGREEING THAT SOMETIMES WE RUN RIGHT UP UNTIL THE 6:00 MARK. THIS MAY CUT SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS SHORT. BUT WE ARE WORKING TO ALLOW THAT PUBLIC COMMENT , TO CODIFY THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. AND WE COME IN HERE AT 5:00 AND NOTHING ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA , WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT IT WILL BE HERE UNTIL PUBLIC COMMENT IS DONE.

TO ME, I LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, IF WHAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY WANTING TO DO IS TO GET IN HERE AND DISCUSS BIOETHANOL, EVERYONE OF THOSE ONCE THAT IS BEEN -- HAS NOT BEEN ONE HOUR AT ALL. I MEAN, THE ONE THAT RYAN HELD WAS TWO OR THREE HOURS WITH THE TWO THAT WERE HELD , THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THOSE WERE TWO OR THREE HOURS WOULD YOU PUT FIVE COMMISSIONERS IN A ROOM AND START ASKING QUESTIONS, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE TWO OR THREE HOURS. WE ARE TALKING FOUR OR FIVE BUT IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE TRULY LOOKING TO DO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE READY TO GIVE MORE TIME THAN THAT.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS .

>> I FIND THIS PROPOSAL TO BE AN ABOMINATION BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.

TO TRY TO EASE THEIR OWN CONSCIENCES.

COMMUNITY WISE. I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH.

>> I DISAGREE. I THINK WE CAN GET A LOT DONE IN AN HOUR. IF WE PICK ONE OR TWO NATURE ISSUES TO TACKLE. SO I DO NOT THINK THAT IS THE FAIR REASON.

>> OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I INITIATED THIS TO HAVE A COMPROMISE WITH YOU GUYS. IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE YOU WANTED.

I TELL YOU, I STILL WANTED PITTED IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THEY CERTAINLY WANT THAT PATTERN THIS MONTH, YOU HAD NO WORKSHOP. THERE IS NOTHING ON THE WORKSHOP. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A FULL HOUR OF PUBLIC COMMENT. AND HAVING A SECOND SEPARATE EATING. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT TIED TO THE WORKSHOP.

LET'S DO THAT AND HAVE IT THE END. I'M ALL ABOUT IT. WITH THAT IN MIND, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE. CELESTE?

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. NO. VICE MAYOR STURGES. YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. NO. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. YES .

MAYOR BEAN. YES BUT THAT PASSES 3-2. FIVE-MINUTE BREAK!

I NEED SOME WATER. >>

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MINUTES. CAPTIONER ON STANDBY. ]

[6.1. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT - CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (CBD) DENSITY REDUCTION - ORDINANCE 2024-09 AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 1.07.10 (D) TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (CBD) FROM THIRTY-FOUR (34) DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO EIGHTEEN (18) DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Amends the Comprehensive Plan to reduce net density.]

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AND, ONCE AGAIN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AM RECONVENING THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION. WE WILL GO BACK TO WHERE HE LEFT OFF. THAT IS THE ORDINANCE FOR SECOND READING.

>> THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND-USE AMENDMENT AND THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN FOR THAT IS ORDINANCE 2024-09, BENDING THE PLANT POLICY 1. 07. 10 D TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT FROM THE 34 DRILLING UNITS PER ACRE TO 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE .

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS? COME ON DOWN. YOU DID BUT YOU DO PUT A FOREMAN. YES, SIR.

YOU HAVE BEEN PREANNOUNCED ON THIS ONE.

>> 1313 HICKORY. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS . AT THIS WENT THROUGH THE -- AND CAME TO THE COMMISSION. YOU WILL KNOW, BASICALLY, WHY WE ARE DOING THIS. I WILL NOT GET INTO SOMEWHAT OF AN OFFENSIVE POSITION WITH THE LIVE LOCAL LAW. THIS REDUCES THE POTENTIAL DENSITY OF COMMERCIAL. THAT COULD'VE BEEN DISASTROUS. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I CAN

TALK ALL I WANT . >> YES, SIR.

INAUDIBLE ] >> 26 SECONDS.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> WHEN I WENT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING LAST MONDAY, AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION INTRODUCED A BILL OR RESOLUTION, WHATEVER. IT ACTUALLY RESTRICTS TAX BENEFITS FOR LIVE LOCAL TO THOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BENEFITS FOR THE 30 AND 50%. THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREAT IDEA. THE CITY IS LOOKING AT IT. BECAUSE IN FACT, IT TAKES A LARGE LOT AND IT MAKES IT A MORE EFFECTIVE LAW TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THE OTHER THING, BECAUSE I GOT 36 MINUTES. YOU ALL WILL REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT ACCESSORY HOUSING , AN INDIVIDUAL CAME IN AND WAS

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GRANTED IMPACT FEES. WHEN YOU BUILD ACCESSORY HOUSING, YOU HAVE TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT. IF YOU RENTED, YOU HAVE TO RENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AT THE TIME, I SUGGESTED THE CITY ALSO PUT THAT CRITERIA ON THERE BUT IT HAD TO BE 30 OR 50. WHEN YOU GO TO THE 80-120, YOU ARE BUILDING MARKET HOUSING. SO THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. THE CITY MOVED FAST. THIS SHOULD LOOK MORE AT OTHER ISSUES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YOU GAVE US SOME TIME BACK.

AWESOME. DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC'S HEARING IS CLOSED. DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> TO APPROVE . >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR STURGES?

>> THANK YOU, THEY ARE. I WILL TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO SAY HOW WELL THIS DID GO THROUGH FAST WHEN EVERYBODY WANTED IT TO MOVE. THAT IS FINE. BUT THE WHOLE REASON I THOUGHT THIS ADJUSTMENT WAS CORRECT WAS TO BE A LINE FOR THE -- IT WAS TO RELEGATE PARKING STANDARDS BUT IT -- REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS AVAILABLE FOR THE ZONING. EVEN THOUGH WE CORRECTLY HAVE THREE TO FOUR PIECES OF PROPERTY IN EFFECT CURRENTLY. THAT IS FINE. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE REDUCTION. I THINK IT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO.

>> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR STURGES. LET'S CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. YES. VICE MAYOR STURGES. YES.

[6.2. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS - CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (C-3) DENSITY REDUCTION - ORDINANCE 2024-10 AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE POLICY 4.01.01 DENSITY AND HOUSING TYPES TABLE TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT (C-3) FROM THIRTY- FOUR (34) DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE TO EIGHTEEN (18) DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Amends the Land Development Code to reduce net density]

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. YES. COMMISSIONER ROSS. YES. MAYOR BEAN. YES BUT THAT PASSES 5-0. 6.3.

>> BEFRIENDED THE TITLE, ESTHER MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, WITH REGARD TO THE TAX EXEMPTION, THERE IS AN ADULT HIS VISION FOR THE TAXING AUTHORITY WHICH COULD BE THE COUNTY, THE CITY.

FOR OPTING OUT OF PROVIDING THE TAX EXEMPTION. BUT FIRST, UNDERSTAND THAT THE TAX EXEMPTION IS NOT AVAILABLE TO EVERY SINGLE LIVE LOCAL PROJECT THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO PROJECTS THAT CONTAIN MORE THAN 70 DWELLING UNITS. SO THE COMPANY HAS DONE THAT BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY HAD MORE OPPORTUNITIES, NOT THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY, TO HAVE SOMETHING COMMON THAT BIG. BUT THERE WILL BE MANY FEWER THAN THAT. SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT. THE OTHER IS THERE IS, AS YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR EXTREMELY LOW, LOW, MODERATE INCOME. SO 80-120% OF MEDIAN INCOME IS CONSIDERED LOW TO MODERATE INCOME. OR TO LOW MODERATE. I GUESS THEY CONSIDER IT THAT IS THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN OPT OUT OF THE TAX EXEMPTION. AND THERE, THE UNITS, AGAIN, IT HAS TO BE USED TO THE BIG PROJECT IN MORE THAN 70 RENTABLE DWELLING UNITS AND YOU START LOOKING AT TAX EXEMPTION. SO SMALL PROJECTS WITH FEWER THAN 70 UNITS I NOT GOING TO REALIZE A TAX EXEMPTION OPPORTUNITY UNDER THE STATUTE ANYWAY. AND SO THERE WILL NOT BE A NEED TO OPT OUT.

I WILL BRING THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. KEEP IN MIND THERE IS NO OPT OUT. THERE IS 100% TAX EXEMPTION ON PROPERTY TAXES FOR THOSE THAT ARE RENTED TO THE EXTREMELY LOW , THE VERY LOW, AND THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE. IT GOES FROM THANK YOU UP TO 80% OF MEDIAN INCOME. THOSE FOLKS , AND FOR THOSE TYPES OF UNITS, THEY WILL GET 100% TAX EXEMPTION. THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS NO OPT OUT. THE COUNTY STILL WOULD BE EXEMPTING THOSE TAXPAYERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?

>> ANY QUESTIONS ? >> REGARDING THE TAX EXEMPTION? I'M LOOKING AT IT SO I CAN BRING THE INFORMATION TO THE

CITY COMMISSION. >> OKAY. IS THERE A PUBLIC

HEARING ON THIS ONE? >> THERE WILL BE. MARRIED THE TITLE, SIR? THAT IS MY FAULT. ORDINANCE 2024-10 AMENDING THE CODE FOR PINO 101 DENSITY AND HOUSING TYPES TABLE TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT C 3 FROM 34 DRILLING UNITS PER ACRE TO 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, AND FOR WRITING FOR AN EFFECTIVE

DATE . >> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ONCE AGAIN, VICE MAYOR

STURGES. >> WELCOME BACK, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. 1313. BECAUSE I FORGOT SOMETHING. THIS IS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, ACTUALLY. THIS IS A POTENTIAL FOR

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TERRORIST ACT ISSUE. THE CITY HAS TAKEN ACTION, WHICH I WILL

NOT GET INTO. >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. SHE SAYS TO GO OUT AND PROTECT THE CITY.

>> IT IS ACTUALLY -- THANK YOU BID AND IS IN THE STATUTE. IT SAYS THAT IF THE CITY SENDS NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER -- SO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CAPITAL -- IN THE C-3 WILL BE GETTING A LETTER WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. REGULAR MAIL, NOT THE ATOLL ARE CERTIFIED. AND THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE IN ORDER TO START THE ONE YEAR STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS RENTED ANYBODY IN THAT COUNTRY SIX ZONING DISTRICT LEFT ONE YEAR FROM THE TIME THEY GET THEIR LETTER TO COME TO THE CITY AND PROVIDE US NOTICE THEY THINK THEY HAVE A -- PLANS WE GOT THOSE RIGHT AWAY. RATHER THAN FIVE YEARS OR EVEN MORE. THERE'S REALLY NOT A LIMITATION. YOU COME IN WITH AN APPLICATION AND WE HAVE NOT INFORMED YOU, IT COULD BE 15 YEARS FROM NOW, REALLY? YOU CHANGE THE DENSITY? AND THEY

COULD HAVE -- >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED FOR DO I HEAR A MOTION? I HEAR A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. LOWER DENSITY IN OUR CITY AND WILL LOOK AT THIS

DONE. PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. YES.

[6.3. CODE AMENDMENT - ART IN PUBLIC PLACES - ORDINANCE 2024-11 AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING CHAPTER 70, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND PUBLIC PLACES, BY AMENDING ARTICLE III, ART IN PUBLIC PLACES, BY AMENDING SECTION 70-151 DEFINITIONS; BY AMENDING SECTION 70-152 PROGRAM ADMINISTRATION; AMENDING SECTION 70-153 OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE; AMENDING SECTION 70-154 ART IN PUBLIC PLACES FUND; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Moves administration of the Art in Public Places Program from Arts and Culture Nassau to a shared responsibility between the Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee and the Historic District Council.]

VICE MAYOR STURGES. YES. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. YES. MAYOR BEAN. YES. THAT PASSES 5-0 .

>> AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING CHAPTER 70, STREET, SIDEWALK, AND PUBLIC LACES BY AMENDING ARTICLE THREE, ART OF PUBLIC PLACES, BY AMENDING SECTION 70-151 DEFINITIONS, AMENDING SECTIONS 70-152 , ADMINISTRATION, AMENDING SECTION 70-150 -- 153 OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE, AMENDING SECTION 70-154 ARE IN PUBLIC PLACES FUN, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR

AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN BUT I HAVE A COUPLE REQUESTS ON THIS ONE. WE WILL START WITH RICHARD --

COME ON DOWN, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSIONERS. -- -- LANE BUT I'M CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL OF ARTS AND CULTURE. WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU AS -- WHEN IT WAS THE COUNTY, CITY COMMISSION. BASED ON THE FUNDING AVAILABILITY IN THAT STRUCTURE AND SUNSHINE LAWS OF MANY THINGS, WE SUNSET OF THAT, AS YOU WELL KNOW. I SET UP A 501(C)(3). THAT IS TO MOVE THE ARTS FORWARD. IN THAT CAPACITY, WE HAVE TO STILL HAVE THE 25 ARE THE NONPROFIT WE HAD IS AN ALLIANCE. WE BRING A LOT OF STRENGTH TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ARTS. A VISION IS COUNTYWIDE BECAUSE OF THE INFLUX AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS AROUND THE COUNTY. NONETHELESS, WE STILL TALK ABOUT THE PRIDE OF PLACE ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS . AND PUBLIC ART IS AN ART. THAT IS THE BACKBONE OF THE TOURIST TRADE EVEN THOUGH IT IS TWO SEPARATE THINGS. THE PEOPLE THE COUNTY VISIT REALLY RELY ON IT. PUBLIC ART HAS PROVIDED THE ECONOMY OF GROWTH AND SUSTAINABILITY. IT IS A CONNECTION TO CULTURAL IDENTITY. IT SUPPORTS ARTISTS AND VALIDATES THEM BUT IT HELPS UNDERSTANDING OTHER CULTURES BUT IT OPENS THEIR PERSPECTIVE TO OTHER PEOPLE. IT PROVIDES A HEALTH LIFT AND A SENSE OF BELONGING. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT PUBLIC ART IS IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT IS THE CONVERSATION WE WANT TO HAVE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT. PUBLIC ART IS IMPORTANT THAT I DID NOT WANT TO HAVE SHORT SHRIFT BY JUST MOVING IT TO SOMETHING THAT WAS EASY TO DO . NOT DIMINISHING THE QUALITY OF THE FOLKS IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. WE KNOW WHERE THE ARTISTS ARE GOOD I THINK WE CAN AGREE THE ARTS COUNCIL HAS THE ARTS , THE ARCHITECT, THE DESIGNERS. SOMETHING THAT IS IN AS A MEANINGFUL TO THE COMMITTEE SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS AN EXPEDIENT, QUICK FIX PUBLIC ART IS NOT DECORATION.