>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THIS IS
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING FOR JULY 11TH, 2024 AT THE CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS.ITEM 1, THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
ITEM 2, MADAM CALL THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
>> ITEM 3. CAN WE ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
IT'S IN THE AGENDA PACKET.EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM?
>> WOULD SOMEONE LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
>> THE MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
ITEM 5, PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS 9 ON THE AGENDA.
ASIDE FROM COMMISSIONER ROSS, THERE IS NO PUBLIC PRESENT UNFORTUNATELY.
[6.1 Meeting Time Discussion]
DISCUSSION ITEMS, 6.1, A MEETING TIME DISCUSSION.>> HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON, SCOTT MIKELSON, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
JUST A QUICK UPDATE IS I WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE STAFF LIAISON UNTIL JEFFREY CONTINUES TO GET HIS FEET WET AND LEARNS THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CITY.
YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SEE MY FACE.
AS STATED AT OUR LAST MEETING, I DID SPEAK TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, AND FOR THIS TIME FRAME, THE ONLY TIME THAT WORKS, BECAUSE SURPRISINGLY, THIS CHAMBERS IS SCHEDULED OUT QUITE A BIT IS THE FOURTH THURSDAY AT 4:00 PM.
IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE FOURTH THURSDAY AT 2:00 PM AS THE TIME THAT WE MEET.
THE GOAL IN HAVING IT AT THE FOUR O'CLOCK TIME IS TO GET MORE PEOPLE HERE RATHER THAN IN THE MORNING.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO THAT TIME FRAME.
>> YOU SAID 2:00 PM AND THEN YOU SAID 4:00 PM.
>> MY APOLOGIES IF I SAID THAT. THANK YOU, KATIE.
IT'S 4:00 PM ON THE FOURTH THURSDAY. THANK YOU.
>> THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT LATER IN THE DAY IN HOPES THAT MORE PEOPLE AND I KNOW SOME OF THE WGA AND THE MGA, THEY'RE GOLFING IN THE MORNING, SO IT'S HARD TO GET THAT.
THE FOURTH THURSDAY IS OUR RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S REALLY THE ONLY TIME FRAME.
THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON IN HERE, MOST NIGHTS ARE TAKEN.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? IF THERE IS, I WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
>> THERE'S NO OBJECTION AT THIS POINT, BUT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.
IS IT POSSIBLE IF WE KEPT THE SAME TIME, WE JUST START AS SOON AS THE OTHER ONE FINISHED IN THE SPACE, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO EVEN ATTEMPT?
IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE ALL THE MEETINGS ARE TAPED.
THE SWITCH OVER AND A MEETING GOING ALONG JUST WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE TO RUN INTO BACK TO BACK.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
>> WE'RE SWITCHING FROM THE SECOND THURSDAY TO FOURTH THURSDAY. IS ALL WE'RE GOING, RIGHT?
>> ONCE AGAIN, THE CLERK'S OFFICE DOESN'T WANT.
THERE WAS PENSION BOARD MEETINGS AT CERTAIN TIME.
SCHEDULING WITH IT'S CALLED SWAGIT IS THE RECORDING COMPANY THAT WE USE.
THIS IS THE MEETING DATE. REALLY, THE FOURTH THURSDAY AT 4:00 PM IS I THINK THE BEST TIME.
>> ALL WE NEED IS A CONSENSUS.
>> YEAH, AS LONG AS THERE'S A CONSENSUS.
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>> WE DON'T NEED THAT. A CONSENSUS IS GOOD.
I SCHEDULED IT ACTUALLY OUT AND HELD THAT DATE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WANT TO PRESENT IT TO YOU.
>> THE NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 22ND.
>> IF THAT IS THE FOURTH, YES.
>> NO. WE'LL HAVE TWO IN JULY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHRISTMAS AT THE GOLF COURSE [INAUDIBLE]
>> I THINK THAT'S SUCH A BAD IDEA BECAUSE THE BUDGET STARTS EARLY AUGUST, AND HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE GOING TO GET ARE NOT GOING TO GET IS A BIG ITEM.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING THAT.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE JUST DID, RIGHT?
>> NO. THAT'S FOR THE FOLLOWING MONDAY.
>> WE WOULDN'T BE MEETING UNTIL THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF AUGUST.
>> I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT DO IT IN TWO WEEKS BECAUSE OF THE STORY OF THE BUDGET.
>> IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO IS WE STILL HAVE THE TIME TO POST THAT.
WE COULD PRESENT TO YOU WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND WHAT MONEY THAT WE WILL BE TRYING TO SELL TO THE COMMISSION OF WHAT WE WOULD NEED FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO HELP SUPPORT THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT.
>> I BROUGHT THAT UP WITHOUT BEING TOTALLY SERIOUS ABOUT IT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD TRANSPIRE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS UNLESS WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING AT THIS MEETING THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO SOLVE IN TWO WEEKS TIME.
>> YES. ULTIMATELY WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD REVIEW WHAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED AND ULTIMATELY, WOULD THE GOLF COURSE OR THE GOLF CLUB ADVISORY BOARD, OR DOES THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THE COMMISSION FOR WITH THE EXISTING BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE GOLF COURSE?
>> SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION?
>> WELL, WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE BUDGET, WE DEVELOPED THE BUDGET COMING UP WITH WHAT WE TRULY FELT LIKE WE COULD HIT REVENUE WISE.
A BEST GUESTIMATE IN OUR OPINION.
ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, WE ARE REQUESTING WHAT WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO IMPROVE MAINLY THE GOLF COURSE AT THIS TIME.
IN OUR OPINION, THE GOLF COURSE IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY THAT WILL DRIVE EVERYTHING ELSE.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO NUMBERS.
ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS OUR EQUIPMENT IS FAILING.
I KNOW JEFFREY WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP, AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION DID SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSE WITH AN INTENT TO PURCHASE TWO BRAND NEW FAIRWAY UNITS.
THAT ALONE IS AROUND, I BELIEVE, $180,000.
IN ADDITION TO THE $180,000 IS THIS CURRENT BUDGET, I BELIEVE THERE WAS NO COST FOR THE GOLF CARTS BECAUSE THE SALE OF THE GOLF COURSE BASICALLY PAID THIS YEAR.
IN ADDITION FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WITH PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST JUST FOR THE GOLF CARTS ALONE IS ABOUT $165,000.
THAT WAS NOT AN EXPENSE THAT WE HAD THIS YEAR.
WE ALSO NEED TWO GREENS MOWERS.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WE FEEL LIKE THE REVENUE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BRING IN COMPARED TO THE EXPENSE.
NOW, GRANTED, IT IS GOING TO BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE REVENUE. WE HAVE TO.
ROUNDS OF GOLF IS WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE REVENUE.
I BELIEVE IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, THE GOLF COURSE HAS IMPROVED TREMENDOUSLY.
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WE'RE NOW COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW TALL THE GRASS IS COMPARED TO WE DIDN'T HAVE GRASS.IT'S LIKE WE COME FULL CIRCLE.
MY POINT IS IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ON RECORD FROM THE GOLF CLUB ADVISORY BOARD TO SUPPORT THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING.
>> GOOD TO KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO TACKLE THE FEE SCHEDULE FIRST 6.2 OR GO ON TO WHAT YOU PROPOSED IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR NEXT YEAR. WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER?
>> MEANING DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT SCHEDULING THE MEETING ON THE FOURTH THURSDAY?
>> WE DID, SO YOU WANT TO? NO. I'M SAYING FOR THIS COMING MONTH.
>> THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD DO THAT IF WE CAME UP WITH DISCUSSION HERE AND EITHER AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT AS FAR AS WHETHER WE COULD SOLVE ANYTHING IN TWO WEEKS AND COME BACK.
>> I THINK THE MAIN THING I WOULD DO IF YOU WANTED TO MEET ON THE FOURTH THURSDAY, AGAIN, IS JEFFREY AND I WOULD PROVIDE YOU WHAT OUR LARGE EXPENSES WOULD BE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, AND WHERE THAT LARGE NUMBER IS COMING FROM.
>> YOU'LL HAVE THE NUMBERS IN OTHER WORDS.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, IF WE WERE TO MEET IN TWO WEEKS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> YEAH. SOME OF THE NUMBERS, I DON'T THINK THE OPERATIONAL ONES, BUT IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE KICKING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
>> FOR AT LEAST A GENERAL IDEA.
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY, I GUESS, IS IF WE MEET, WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO LET US KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND THEN WE CAN EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE?
>> HOPEFULLY WE AGREE WITH WHICH WE PROBABLY WILL, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'D HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY THEN TO GO WHETHER THAT'S NOT ENOUGH OR THAT'S FINE AND THAT THING.
>> THAT WOULD BE A POINT IN MEETING IN TWO WEEKS.
OTHERWISE, IF WE MEET IN AUGUST, THE NUMBERS WILL BE DONE, THERE WON'T BE ANY CHANGES AT ALL.
>> THE NUMBERS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE DONE AT THAT POINT, NO.
BUDGET DISCUSSIONS START IN EARLY AUGUST.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE MEET AT THE END OF AUGUST.
IT MAY BE TOO LATE TO HAVE ANY SAY IN THE BUDGET NUMBERS, CORRECT?
>> YEAH. JEREMIAH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS HERE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I THINK HE HAS A LITTLE BIT BETTER HANDLE ON THAT.
>> THANK YOU. JEREMIAH, INTERIM CITY MANAGER FOR THE MOMENT.
THE INTENT, WE GOT IT RIGHT HERE ON THE WALL, AUGUST 6TH IS THE FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP.
THAT'S WHERE I ANTICIPATE ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT DIGGING A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THE FINANCIALS OF THE GOLF COURSE TO OCCUR, AUGUST 6TH.
JOE, LET SEE WHERE WE'RE AT HERE.
BACK UP JULY 16TH. THAT'S NOT ALL HERE.
JULY 16TH, NEXT TUESDAY, I'M PRODUCING A PRESENTATION THAT JUST GIVES A 100,000 FOOT VIEW OF THE BUDGET.
THE MILLAGE RATE WE BASE IT ON, MAJOR PROJECTS, THE WATERFRONT PARK, THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, SOME OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THAT BUDGET WILL FUND, ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES, A VERY BRIEF HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF THE BUDGET.
JULY 30TH, THEY SET THE MILLAGE RATE, BUT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SET UP THE DISCUSSION FOR AUGUST 6 BY SAYING, SOME THINGS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, AND IT'S NOT JUST THE GOLF COURSE.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT STAFFING LEVELS.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING FOR THE SEAWALL, FUNDING FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, FUNDING FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO MAKE SOME POLICY DECISIONS ON TO HELP STAFF KNOW THE NEXT STEP.
ONE THING I WANT TO ASK OF YOU ALL, AND I KNOW IT'S SHORT NOTICE.
I KNOW YOU'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN YOUR MEETINGS HERE, WHICH I'LL MEET ONCE A MONTH.
IS I WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FROM THIS BOARD TO HELP CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY AREAS TO IMPROVE REVENUE.
WE WILL HAVE THE SAME DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT 27 HALLS VERSUS 18.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TOPTRACER.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RAISING RATES OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEDLEY OF THOSE, I'M SURE.
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SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU ALL WOULD BE HELPFUL.>> THERE'S TWO WAYS YOU CAN GO, OR HYBRID OF THE TWO; CUT COST, INCREASE REVENUE.
ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK, BEING AVAILABLE AT THAT WORKSHOP WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO.
THE COMMISSION SUPPORTS THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY SAY SO. YOU GOT TO PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL, AND IT WOULD POSITION US TO HELP COACH THEM ON HOW WE CAN GET THE GOLF COURSE FISCALLY SOUND AND HEALTHY, AND CONTINUE TO INVEST IN IT.
IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT.
IS THE GOLF COURSE A BUSINESS? IS IT AMENITY? WE HAVE OTHER RECREATION PROGRAMS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO FUNCTION AS A BUSINESS, BUT THE AMENITY.
WE HAVE PICKLE BALL, WE HAVE PATO, WE HAVE TENNIS, WE HAVE ALL THINGS THAT ARE AMENITIES THAT YOUR TAX DOLLARS PROVIDE.
WELL, THE GOLF COURSE IS SET UP AS AN ENTERPRISE, SO IT'S A BUSINESS MODEL.
IS IT SUSTAINABLE TO CONTINUE TO FORCE THE GOLF COURSE TO OPERATE AS A BUSINESS? YOU HAVE TO COVER ALL EXPENSES.
THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE THAT NEED TO OCCUR.
ANYTHING THAT YOU ALL CAN BRING TO THE TABLE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> I WAS AT THAT FIRST MEETING WHEN THE RESOLUTION FOR INTENT TO ORDER MOWERS GET ON THE WAY.
>> YEAH, YOU WERE, AND THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP.
I THINK, CHARLIE, YOU WERE THERE AS WELL.
YOU SET UP. IT'S GOOD TO BE SEEN AND BE HEARD WITH THAT.
>> I'VE DONE A LOT OF THOUGHT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RIGHT TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT THE GOLF COURSE SERVES SO MANY PURPOSES AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE.
YOU CAN SAY THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT ALL THOSE THINGS.
>> TREE CANOPY, IT'S RECREATION. EXACTLY.
BUT HOWEVER, IT SEEMS LIKE GOLF COURSE REALLY IS TREATED LIKE IT'S A NUISANCE.
THAT'S THE MINDSET THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, I THINK.
THE BIGGEST THING I CAME ACROSS, I MET WITH MR. MICHAELSON, AND THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE GOLF COURSE, THEY HAVE, SAY, $2 MILLION OF EQUIPMENT.
MORE THAN THAT, IF YOU INCLUDE THE CARTS, AND THE LIFESPAN OF THAT IS 5-7 YEARS.
IT NEEDS TO BE ON A REGULAR ONE-FIFTH OR SIXTH OF IT BEING REPLACED EVERY YEAR.
>> IN MY REVIEW, UNLESS WE BECOME QUANTUMLY MORE BUSY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FUND THAT THROUGH REVENUE COMING IN FROM THE PUBLIC, THROUGH MEMBERSHIPS OR GREENS FEES.
IT'S CHANGING A MINDSET THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS JUST SOMETHING, IT'S AN EXTRA.
IN ALL THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY, THEY'RE VITALLY IMPORTANT.
BUT BIG PURPOSE AS WELL AS SENIOR RECREATION, AND MOST OF THE SENIORS PAY THE TAXES TOO VERSUS, SORRY LITTLE KIDS, BUT MAYBE YOUR PARENTS PAY THE TAXES, BUT YOU DON'T.
WHETHER IT'S SKATEBOARD PARKS OR ALL THE OTHER STUFF, I HAVE NO COMPLAINT ABOUT THEM, BUT IT SERVES MULTIPLE PURPOSES, AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER TRIED TO REALLY PROPERLY FUND IT.
THE GOLF COURSE IS IN THE BUSINESS OF GROWING GRASS AND CUTTING GRASS, AND AS A BARE MINIMUM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE EQUIPMENT NECESSARY TO DO IT WITHOUT MAKING IT BETTER OR ANYTHING ELSE.
>> YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE A SIMILAR CONVERSATION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MARINA.
OF COURSE, THE MARINA HAS BEEN TOUTED IN THE PAST AS BEING AN ECONOMIC HUB OF OUR DOWNTOWN. IT'S THE WATERFRONT.
IT'S WHERE THE CENTRE STREET TERMINATES.
WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
THEY ARE COVERING THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES, BUT WE'RE STILL PAYING TOWARD THAT DEBT.
THE HURRICANE MATTHEW DID HELP POSITION US IN A BETTER WAY THAT DIDN'T DO THE GOLF COURSE. WE GOT ALL NEW DOCKS.
IT WAS A FIGHT, BUT WE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THAT WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO REPLACE.
THAT WAS A WEATHER EVENT DISASTER THAT TURNED IN OUR FAVOR, BUT NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD EVER HOPE FOR, BUT WE REAP THE BENEFIT OF REPLACING DOCKS FROM THE '60S AND '70S THROUGH THE HURRICANES, THAT STORM.
WE STILL GOT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AT THE GOLF COURSE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, AND YOU GOT TO PAY TO PLAY.
AS A RECAP, NEXT MEETING NEXT TUESDAY, HIGH-LEVEL BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT THE OVERALL BUDGET, AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL ADOPT THE MILLAGE RATE JULY 30TH, AND THEN I PROCEED. YES, SIR.
>> CAN YOU TELL THEM WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN THOSE MILLAGE RATES AND WHY THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT?
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>> SURE. WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS THE ROLLBACK RATE, AND THIS YOU REALLY CAN GET TO THE WEEDS HERE.
THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE, MAINTAIN THE EXISTING MILLAGE RATE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE BUDGETS BEING PRESENTED AS A MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE.
THIS WILL BRING RIGHT AT ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND.
SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN A COUPLE NEW POSITIONS WITHIN PUBLIC SAFETY, INSURANCE WENT UP $400,000, CITYWIDE OUR INSURANCE DID.
JUST REGULAR INFLATIONARY COSTS, THAT MILLION GOES AWAY REALLY QUICK.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE AND THE ADJUSTED RATE IS ABOUT $600,000, THEREABOUTS.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK A NUMBER, ABOUT $500,000 AND $600,000.
BUT THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW AS PRESENTED OFF THE COMMISSION DIRECTION IS ON A MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE.
>> WHICH WOULD GIVE HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL? JUST THE $1 MILLION?
>> ABOUT 1.1 MILLION. THAT'S IT.
>> THAT'S ABOUT WHAT THE GOLF COURSE REALLY NEEDS.
>> THAT MEETING THERE IS WHERE THEY SET THE MILLAGE RATE.
NOW WHEN YOU SET THE MILLAGE RATE, YOU CAN GO BACKWARDS WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, BUT YOU CANNOT GO HIGHER.
THERE IS SOME INTEREST, AND IT'S DISCUSSED EVERY PARENTALLY IS TO SET IT, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS WORK BACKWARDS, BUT IF YOU SET IT AND THEN YOU NEED MORE, THEN OOPS.
>> IF IT'S SET TOO LOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PROSPECTIVE PROGRAMS THAT WON'T MAKE THE CUT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO TOUCH ON, LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SHOW IN THE PRESENTATION THIS TUESDAY, HERE'S THE MILLAGE RATE.
HERE'S WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING, HERE'S SOME PROJECTS WE ARE REBUTTING.
HERE'S SOME THINGS WE'RE NOT DOING, AND HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT, AND THE GOLF COURSE WILL BE IN THAT.
WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AT LEAST, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FUND THE ADDITIONAL FIREMEN THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE FIRE CHIEF, OR ALL THE POSITIONS REQUESTED BY THE POLICE CHIEF AND DO OUR DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, AND FULLY FUND THE GOLF COURSE TO HAVE A BREAK-EVEN BUDGET.
SOME OF THOSE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
YOU JUST CAN'T DO IT ALL AT THAT MILLAGE RATE.
WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, JULY 30TH, THEY'LL SET THE MILLAGE RATE.
AUGUST 6TH WOULD BE THE BUDGET WORKSHOP WHERE WE SIT DOWN AND GET INTO THE WEEDS AND TALK ABOUT, HOW DO WE PAY FOR IT? WE HAD THE SAME THING CITY, NOT JUST ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THE CITY COMMISSION, YOU WANT TO INCREASE REVENUES? YOU WANT TO CUT EXPENSES.
IT IS STILL A DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS AT A CITYWIDE BUDGET OR ON A SMALLER DEPARTMENTAL OPERATIONAL BUDGET.
STILL GOT TO HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD.
ANYTHING FROM YOU ALL WILL BE HELPFUL, BECAUSE AS AN ADVISORY BOARD WHO'S WELL VERSED IN THE OPERATIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE, THAT FEEDBACK IS VALUABLE.
I WOULD LIKE IT. IF YOU CAN, OR YOUR SCHEDULE ALLOWS YOU TO BE THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT DAY AND TIME IS THAT? HOW THEY ADOPT IT, BUT IS THAT WHEN THE BIG DISCUSSION HAPPENS, OR IS THAT HERE A SPECIAL MEETING IN THE CHAMBERS?
>> YES. THIS TUESDAY IS COMMISSION MEETING.
JULY 16TH IS THE FIRST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUDGET.
THE NEXT TIME WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT WILL BE JULY 30TH.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A TIME THERE, BUT IT'LL BE 5 OR 6 O'CLOCK.
ONCE WE GET CLOSER, WE'LL POST IT.
>> IS THIS TUESDAY WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION?
>> NOT A PRE-MEETING OR ANYTHING.
>> NO. THERE AT THE BEGINNING PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE COMMISSION MEETING.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW.
>> OUR ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS TREATED LIKE JUST PUBLIC COMMENT OR THEY TREATED DO YOU GET TO SAY ANYTHING OR NOT? THE MESS BEING THERE IS THE ISSUE.
>>THE BOARD LOVES PUBLIC COMMENT, ENDORSE PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> I HEARD AT THE AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
>> THAT'LL BE UP TO THE MAYOR IF HE WANTS TO HAVE COMMENT DURING.
USUALLY THERE'S NO COMMENT FOR A PRESENTATION.
HE MAY BECAUSE IT IS THE BUDGET OPEN UP FOR COMMENT THEN VERSUS AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
HE HAS A QUESTION I COULD POSE TO HIM AHEAD OF TIME AND SEE IF THEY WANT COMMENT THERE OR LATER.
THAT WOULD BE THE MAYOR'S CALL.
>> I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION ON THE TABLE ABOUT WHETHER THIS BOARD WANTS TO MEET ON THE 22ND FOR THE PURPOSES OF REVIEWING THE NUMBERS THAT JEFFREY AND SCOTT PUT TOGETHER SO THAT WHEN THEY LEAVE THE MEETING ON THE 22ND, THEY KNOW WHERE WE SIT.
>> JULY 25, SO I SPOKE WRONG WITH THE DATE.
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>> IF YOU NEED LOOK FOR ME IN THE MEANTIME, EMAIL ME, CALL ME.
LOVE TO TECH CHAT WITH YOU IF YOU WANT TO TALK GOLF OR.
>> WHAT INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED? IS IT AT THAT MEETING, BEFORE THE MEETING?
>> AT THE 4:30. ARE WE GOOD? CAN I GO?
>> WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD PROVIDE YOU A HIGH END, LIKE JEREMIAH SAID FROM A 10,000 FOOT VIEW ON IT AND WHERE WE WOULD STAND WITH HOW MUCH MONEY WE WOULD BE IN THE NEGATIVE WITH OUR EXISTING PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WE SUBMITTED.
ALSO, WITH THAT, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD PROVIDE YOU WITH OUR LARGE SCALE ITEMS THAT WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT IN THE BUDGET.
>> NO. IF I HAVE CONSENSUS THAT YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN MEETING ON THE 25TH, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I SEE NO PROBLEM, WE ARE GOING POST IT.
WE WOULD MEET AT THE SAME TIME, 4 O'CLOCK ON THE 25TH, WHICH IS THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
>> I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO DO IT.
>> STAFF, WE'LL WORK ON GETTING THAT READY, POSTING THE MEETING.
CHAIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU JUST TO GO OVER EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE TO THE BOARD.
>> DO YOU WANT TO MOVE RIGHT ON TO THAT FEE SCHEDULE? YES, SIR.
>> IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE TABLE?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, CAN YOU COME HERE, PLEASE?
>> THANK YOU, JOHN. [LAUGHTER]
>> BROS 210 NORTH THIRD STREET.
THERE ARE CERTAIN CITY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE.
WHAT THE ROLLBACK RATE WHAT IT SAYS, IS THAT YOU GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE AS YOU GET LAST YEAR PLUS A LITTLE BIT FOR FOR GROWTH, AND THAT'S ABOUT $500,000.
IF THE ADJUSTED, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING THE ADJUSTED MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE BASICALLY MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PAY, WHO ARE HOMESTEAD WILL NOT HAVE A RISE IN THEIR TAX BILL, NOT THEIR MILLAGE RATE, THEIR TAX BILL.
THEY SET THE MILLAGE RATE, SO YOU DON'T GET A RISE IN YOUR TAX BILL.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HOMESTEADED AND REST OF THE WORLD, THE INDUSTRIAL, THE COMMERCIAL, THEY ALL IT ALL GOES UP.
THEY HAVE THE TAX RATE THAT THEIR BILLS WILL GO UP.
THEN THERE'S THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE.
THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE BASICALLY TAKES CARE FOR THE RATE OF INFLATION.
THEN THERE'S FINALLY IF YOU KEEP THE MILLAGE RATE THE SAME.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE AND THE ROLLBACK RATE IS ABOUT $50,000.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WITH INFLATION, WE SHOULD BE GETTING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S IN THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE.
BUT IF THE CITY GOES TO THAT, PEOPLE WHO PAY, WHO VOTE AND ARE HOMESTEADED, THEY WILL HAVE A SLIGHT RISE IN THEIR TAX BILL.
FOR ME, IT'LL BE ABOUT 50 OR 60 BUCKS OR SOMETHING.
BUT HERE'S WHERE THE BIG NUMBERS ARE.
THE BIG NUMBERS ARE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MODIFIED ROLLBACK RATE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE QUOTED ON THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THEM, BUT I DON'T QUITE REMEMBER IT, BUT IT'S ABOUT $600,000.
WELL, $600,000 IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU WANT.
YOU HAVE A CHOICE. YOU CAN PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN YOUR TAXES AND FUND THE GOLF COURSE.
WHAT WAS NOT MENTIONED IS THAT THE MARINA NEEDS A NEW GAS FUEL TANK.
THE FUEL TANKS RESTED, THAT'S $400,000.
HEALTH INSURANCE HAS GONE UP $400,000. THE MOWERS.
THE CITY COMMISSION COMMITTED TO GETTING IN LINE TO BUY THE MOWERS, BUT THEY REFUSED TO COMMIT TO BUYING THE MOWERS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THEY ALSO SAID THAT THEY WOULD HIRE THREE NEW POLICEMEN AND THREE NEW FIREFIGHTERS.
THAT'S ABOUT A MILLION BUCKS RIGHT THERE.
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IF YOU SET THE MILLAGE RATE AT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THIS GOLF COURSE WILL NOT BE FUNDED.IT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING TO COME FIRST.
>> THEY CAN'T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING, BUT THEY WOULDN'T AGREE TO DECIDE WHAT PROJECTS THEY ARE GOING TO FUND BEFORE THEY DO THE MILLAGE RATE?
>> WELL, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE WAY WE WOULD DO THINGS, BUT.
>> I [INAUDIBLE] SOME VERY NECESSARY THINGS.
>> WHICH IS WHY, IT'S SUSPICIOUS THAT WE HAVE THE BUDGET WORKSHOPS AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY SET THE MILAGE RATE.
NOW, WHAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IS SET THE MILAGE RATE, AND WHAT I HOPE YOU WOULD DO IS SET THE MILAGE RATE AT THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE.
IF YOU KEEP IT AT THE CURRENT MILAGE RATE, YOU NEED FOUR VOTES.
IF YOU KEEP IT AT THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE, YOU NEED THREE VOTES.
I NEED TWO OTHER VOTES TO KEEP IT AT THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE TWO OTHER VOTES. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
>> WHAT NUMBER ARE THEY'RE GOING TO USE FOR THE INFLATION RATE?
>> ALL THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY BAKED IN.
THE TAX APPRAISERS ALWAYS GIVEN US THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. IT'S COMPLICATED.
I'M AVOIDING YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED.
I THINK IT WAS 4.5. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER WAS, BUT THEY HAVE THIS WHOLE WAY OF GOING ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATE OF THE ADVORM TAX THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT.
REMEMBER, THAT IS NOT THE ENTIRE BUDGET.
WE ALSO GET MONEY FROM THE SALES TAX.
THE CITY $32,000 GENERATES $32,000 WORTH OF SALES TAX EVERY YEAR OR LAST YEAR.
OF THAT, WE GOT BACK 12 MILLION, EXCUSE ME.
THOSE ARE MILLIONS, 32 MILLION AND 12 MILLION.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS GETTING OUR MONEY.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. THAT'S WHY THAT MEETING WITH THE MILAGE RATE IS A CRUCIAL MEETING BECAUSE THAT WHAT'S GOING TO DEFINE THE SIZE OF THE POT AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO YOUR CITY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK IS APPROPRIATE. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> WITH THAT, WE'LL PLAN ON MEETING THE FOURTH THURSDAY AT 4:00 P.M.
I'LL KEEP YOU POSTED. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE ON TO ITEM 6.2?
[6.2 Fee Schedule]
IT LOOKS FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE A FEW SMALL INCREASES.
>> NO, ACTUALLY, WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'RE PRESENTING YOU WITH THE EXISTING FEE SCHEDULE.
JEFFREY AND I HAVE REVIEWED IT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING AGAIN TOMORROW TO GO OVER THIS.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE TAKEN OFF OF HERE.
THAT WERE ADJUSTED MANY MONTHS AGO WITH TOPTRACER.
THAT IS WITHOUT THE TOPTRACER, WITHOUT THE TOPTRACER, AND WITHOUT THE TOPTRACER REGARDING THE RANGE BALLS.
THOSE FEES FOR RANGE BALLS ARE ALL 9, 14 AND 20.
WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE OFF OF THERE OR PRESENT TO HAVE REMOVED OFF OF THERE ITEMS 7, 12 AND 15.
>> THOSE WILL BE THE RATES PERIOD?
>> THOSE ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN OFF.
WE'RE PRESENTING, AND THIS IS ON THE SECOND PAGE REGARDING THE RANGE BALLS IS $9, $14 AND $20.
AND YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT'S HIGHER THAN NORMAL AND I BELIEVE ONCE AGAIN, I'M SAYING SOMETHING THAT JEFFREY WAS GOING TO SAY IS WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT WE ARE WITH TOPTRACER UNTIL I BELIEVE FEBRUARY 9TH OF 2026.
WE ARE IN A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.
MYSELF AND JEFFREY AND JEREMIAH HAVE IT ON OUR CALENDAR, JULY OF 2025 WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A 90 DAY NOTICE OR WE FALL BACK RIGHT IN WITH ANOTHER FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT.
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>> DOESN'T MATTER IT'S SIGNED.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER. THAT IS CORRECT.
WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT THAT THROUGH FEBRUARY 9TH OF 2026, WE ARE WITH TOP TRACERS.
WITH A 90 DAY WRITTEN TERMINATION NOTICE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WOULD COME FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY.
OTHERWISE, WITH THAT IN THERE, IT STATES THAT WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SIGN UP FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
WE HAVE PUT IT ON OUR CALENDAR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THAT DATE IS, ARE WE TERMINATING IT OR ARE WE NOT TERMINATING IT?
>> WE HAVE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
WITH THAT, WE ARE PROCEEDING TO TRY TO RE-UP WITH OUR SPONSORSHIPS AS WELL.
>> BUT THAT WOULD ONLY BE THROUGH THE CONTRACT PERIOD BECAUSE.
>> WELL, THAT YES THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OTHERWISE, IT'D BE SOME FINANCIAL REFUND BACK TO THEM.
MAYBE JEFFREY CAN HIT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT WHEN HE SPEAKING. BUT YEAH.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE FOR THAT TIME FRAME, AND THEN IF THE CONTRACT GETS SIGNED AGAIN, THEN WE COULD EXTEND THAT SOMEHOW WITH OUR SPONSORSHIPS.
>> BASICALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING WITH THIS IS IT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO WE FEEL THAT WE'RE POSITIONED RIGHT NOW IN A BASICALLY, WHERE OUR FEES ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE FEEL WE NEED THEM.
WE FEEL WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IF WE INCREASE THEM AND MAKE THAT OUR MAIN GOAL OF TRYING TO BRING IN REVENUE, WE ACTUALLY MAY PUSH A FEW PEOPLE AWAY TO POSSIBLY A DIFFERENT COURSE.
OUR GOAL WILL BE TO KEEP THE RATES THE SAME AND IN TURN BRING MORE PEOPLE IN ON THAT RATE.
NOW, WE CAN MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IF YOU GUYS HAVE, SOME ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE WANT TO PUT IN THERE.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN THERE, LIKE AN ASTERIX IS TO PUT WHERE THE GOLF COURSE GENERAL MANAGER CAN CHANGE RATES.
I'M NOT EXACTLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORD IT.
BUT MEANING WE KNOW WE'RE SLOW.
THROUGH GOLF NOW, YOU CAN ADJUST RATES.
THESE HIGHER END GOLF COURSES ARE ADJUSTING THEIR RATES CLOSE TO OURS.
NOW, ARE YOU GOING TO GO PLAY THIS COURSE COMPARED TO OURS> WE WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
JEFFREY CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THAT AND SAY OUR T SHEETS SLOW, WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST OUR RATES.
WE'RE GOING TO BE SLOW ON THIS TUESDAY OR WHATEVER DAY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DROP THOSE RATES JUST TO GET PLAY OUT THERE.
OUR GOAL WITH THE FEE SCHEDULE IS TO KEEP IT RELATIVELY THE SAME AND DRIVE MORE PEOPLE PLAYING?
>> I DID SOME QUICK MATH, AND I HOPE I'M WRONG.
BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IN THE PAST MONTH, THE AVERAGE SPEND PER ROUND WAS $46.
>> WHAT I DID IS I TOOK THE 127,490, AND I DIVIDED IT BY THE 22/23 PLUS THE HALF OF THE NINE HOLE, WHICH IS 540, AND THAT CAME UP TO $46.
>> WOULD THAT INCLUDE AS MEMBERS, YOU PAY LESS, AND THEN.
>> THAT INCLUDES WHAT EVERYBODY WHO WALKS IN THE DOOR.
THE AVERAGE OF WHAT EVERYBODY WHO WALKS IN THE DOOR.
WHAT I DID AS I WENT BACK TO A NUMBER WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT, WHICH IS WE WANT TO GET TO NUMBER OF ROUNDS.
IF WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS FROM THIS YEAR 37,000?
>> YES. JEFFREY BELIEVES THAT WE WILL BE CLOSE TO THE 37,000 ROUNDS.
>> IF WE INCREASE THAT TO 45,000 ROUNDS NEXT YEAR? THE GROSS IS TWO MILLION. CAN WE RUN ON THAT? WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WE NEED TO RAISE RATES.
WE NEED TO GET THE AVERAGE SPIN PER ROUND UP.
THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO DO THAT OTHER THAN RAISING RATES ON THE GOLF COURSE.
I THINK WE NEED TO GET BASED ON THE NUMBERS I JUST LOOKED AT,
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WE NEED TO GET THE AVERAGE SPIN PER ROUND UP SO THAT EVERY TIME I WALK IN THE DOOR, I HAND YOU 46 BUCKS.I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE EVERY TIME I WALK IN THE DOOR I HAND YOU 60 BUCKS.
ONE OF THE WAYS GOLF COURSES ARE MEASURED FOR PROFIT IS AVERAGE SPIN PER ROUND.
FROM THE TIME THE PERSON GETS OUT OF HIS CAR TO THE TIME THE PERSON GETS BACK IN THEIR CAR.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY SPEND FOR TEATIME, GOLF CART, CLOTHING, RANGE BALLS, FOOD, ALL GROUPED TOGETHER, DIVIDED BY THE NUMBER OF 18 WHOLE ROUNDS.
AND IF IT'S NINE WHOLE ROUNDS, YOU ADJUST THAT BASED ON THE FACT THAT SKEWS THE TOTAL.
WHAT I DID IS IT DIVIDE IT IN HALF.
THE WAY GOLF COURSES BECOME PROFITABLE IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS AND INCREASE THE AVERAGE SPEND PER ROUND.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU SUGGESTED IN TERMS OF GIVING JEFFREY THE FLEXIBILITY TO SELL VACANT TEA TIMES, IS WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO INCREASE REVENUE PER ROUND.
ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT, NOT THE ONLY WAY, ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO THAT IS CHANGE YOUR FEE SCHEDULE AND OFFER MORE STUFF.
I'M JUST SUGGESTING IF WE REALLY BELIEVE 45,000 ROUNDS AND WE STAY AT THE CURRENT FEE SCHEDULE, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE'RE GOING TO GENERATE IS ONLY TWO MILLION DOLLARS.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BUDGET TOTAL FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT IF IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN TWO MILLION DOLLARS, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE TOWN FOR PLUS THE GOLF CARTS, THE 165 THAT YOU MENTIONED AND THE MOWERS.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPED ANYBODY AT ALL.
I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE AVERAGE SPIN PER ROUND.
I WOULD GUESS AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF THIS NUMBER IS TRUE.
I WOULD GUESS AT THE RIVER, IT'S MORE THAN 100.
>> HONESTLY, I DO BELIEVE THAT JEFFREY COULD SPEAK MUCH BETTER ON THE AVERAGE PRICE PER ROUND.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT YOUR MATH MAKES SENSE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
>> JEFFREY BIGGERS, GENERAL MANAGER. BEEN HERE A MONTH.
AS FAR AS THOSE NUMBERS GO FROM WHAT I SEE, I THINK YOU'RE A LITTLE HIGH BECAUSE I LOOK AT ROUNDS BY GOLFING ROUNDS.
THIS IS INCLUDING EVERYTHING ON THE GOLF SIDE, WHICH IS RANGE BALLS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT.
MY PHILOSOPHY THERE WAS, WE'RE HOPING TO GET AROUND 37,000 ROUNDS, BUT I THINK THAT AVERAGE ROUND IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER BECAUSE YOU HAVE MEMBERS THAT WALK.
YOU HAVE ALL INCLUSIVE MEMBERS.
THE GOAL IS TO GET THAT UP AS HIGH AS WE CAN GET IT.
RIGHT NOW, I'M THINKING WE'RE GOING TO GET TO 37,000 ROUNDS THIS YEAR.
I'M HOPING AROUND 660 FOR A GREENS FEES AND AROUND 350 FOR CARS.
BUT THE NEXT THREE MONTHS ARE OUR SLOWER MONTHS.
I AVERAGE THAT OFF THE LAST TWO YEARS, WHICH I TOLD SCOTT, I'M TRYING TO FIND NUMBERS.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD SINCE WE'VE TAKEN IT BACK OVER AFTER THE MANAGEMENT GROUP LEFT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M OUT THERE.
THE GOAL IS, IF WE CAN INCREASE THIS BY 10% EVERY YEAR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET TO EIGHT OR 10,000 IN ONE YEAR, BUT I THINK THEY GO HAND IN HAND BECAUSE THE CHALLENGES WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW WITH THE GOLF COURSE CONDITIONS, AS SCOTT SAID EARLIER, WE WEREN'T MOWING MUCH GRASS.
OUR EQUIPMENT'S GOTTEN A YEAR OR TWO YEARS OLDER.
NOW WE'RE MOWING A BUNCH OF GRASS.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO PUT THAT MONEY INTO THE GOLF COURSE FIRST, EVEN THOUGH OTHER AREAS MAY NEED SOME OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WHEN IT COMES AT LEAST TO THESE NUMBERS.
THIS IS ONE MONTH OF THE WHOLE SPECTRUM FROM WHAT I COULD PULL OFF OF OUR SOFTWARE FOR GOLF OPERATION REVENUES.
BUT I DO THINK THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE HIGH.
I THINK MY NUMBER I GOT JUST FOR GOLF ROUNDS, BASED OFF OF THIS WAS ABOUT $29 A ROUND, I THINK, WHEN YOU PUT ALL THAT INCLUSIVELY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE PAYING 65 AS LOW AS TO PEOPLE PAYING NOTHING THAT WELL, THEY PAID SOMETHING BY JOINING, BUT THAT'S A MEMBER.
WE JUST GOT TO GET IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING THAT PART IN THERE WHERE I CAN ADJUST THE ROUNDS.
I'M WORKING WITH GOLF NOW TO SEE HOW TO DO SOME OF THAT MANUALLY.
>> THAT WAY IF WE GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN IT'S HOT, ONE O'CLOCK, MAYBE ADJUST, AND WE'RE NOT AT WHERE WE WERE ON GOLF NOW OR IF YOU CALLED THE SHOP, WE CAN SEE HOW THAT WORKS WITH GETTING MORE PLAYERS OUT.
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IT IS ABOUT GETTING GOLFERS ON THE GOLF COURSE.I MUST SAY, TALKING TO THE STAFF, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF YOUNGER CROWD OUT THERE, WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY'RE USED TO.
>> WHAT'S YOUR RECENT EXPERIENCE? DO YOU THINK THAT'S RIGHT WHERE IT SHOULD BE?
>> I'M STILL LOOKING INTO HOW THESE NUMBERS ARE TIED WITHIN HOW WE HAVE IT SET UP IN THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE I THINK OUR GUEST FEE JUST SHOWS UP AT 65, BUT IT'S BROKEN INTO TWO AREAS.
I THINK WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE MORE MONEY WHEN SOMEBODY PAYS A FULL GUESS FEE AS OPPOSED TO IF ONE OF OUR MEMBERS PLAYS, AND IT'S JUST THE $22 RATE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO COME IN AND START CHANGING RATES.
I KNOW WHERE WE ARE AS BEING THE ONLY PUBLIC GOLF COURSE HERE AND BEING CITY, WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND PLAY US AT OUR RATE, AND OUR CONDITIONS ARE GETTING BETTER.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD TO GO UP TO 75 OR $85 AROUND.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE CLOSE. I THINK WE'VE GONE UP A GOOD BIT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING BEING HERE A MONTH.
>> AS YOU DO THIS, I STILL THINK OUR UNLIMITED MEMBERSHIPS ARE LOW BECAUSE THE GUYS THAT PLAY TWO OR THREE MORE OR LIKE THREE TIMES A WEEK, IT'S LIKE THEY'RE CRAZY IF THEY'RE NOT UNLIMITED MEMBERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, I THINK.
THERE'S ONLY 25 OF THEM RIGHT NOW.
>> YOU THINK THERE'S ONLY EIGHT?
>> I THINK THERE'S A FEW MORE THAN THAT, BUT I'D HAVE TO LOOK.
BUT IF THINGS GET NUDGED UP A LITTLE BIT FOR THE REGULAR MEMBER, THAT UNLIMITED MEMBERSHIP CAN BECOME MORE ATTRACTIVE, TOO.
>> THEY WANT TO HIT BALLS AS WELL AS PLAY.
>> I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT PERSON, HOW MUCH THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PLAY. I THINK THAT'S THE KEY.
>> PEOPLE ARE AFRAID THAT THEY MAY GIVE UP A LITTLE MONEY IF SOMEHOW THE GOLF COURSE ENDS UP TO THE GOOD ON BY A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLAR AND HAVE LOSS.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE THE CALCULATORS OUT.
>> I JUST REALIZE THAT I'VE BEEN PLAYING A FAIR AMOUNT.
I MAY BE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER, OR I SHOULD HAVE HAD AN UNLIMITED MEMBERSHIP, AND THAT'S WITHOUT HITTING BALLS, REALLY.
>> IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT COMES LATER WHEN YOU PUT THAT FEE SCHEDULE IN FRONT FOR APPROVAL RIGHT AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
>> THANK YOU, JEFFREY. APPRECIATE IT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE GOING TO MEET TOMORROW MORNING AND REVIEW THIS IS OUR GOAL, UNLESS WE HEAR DIFFERENT FROM YOU IS WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE.
CHAIR KELLY, WE WILL ALSO LOOK INTO THAT MATH THAT WE OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> ONE OF THE FIGURES THAT USED TO WE USED TO GET IN MEETINGS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO IS THE ROUNDS PLAYED EVERY MONTH, CUMULATIVE TOTAL.
THE PREVIOUS GENERAL MANAGER DIDN'T CARE FOR THAT, SO IT DIED OUT QUICKLY.
DO YOU FIND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD KEEP TRACK OF IT OR NOT?
>> YOU HAD MENTIONED ROUNDS PLAYED EVERY MONTH AND THEN WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE?
>> THEN THE RUNNING TOTAL FOR THE YEAR JUST SO YOU CAN COMPARE HOW YOU DO IN THE PAST PERIODS.
>> WE HAVE NO PROBLEM PRESENTING TO YOU INFORMATION THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE GOLF COURSE.
WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE GOLF COURSE.
HOPEFULLY, YOU'RE GOING TO SUPPORT WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
>> HAVE WE FIGURED OUT THE DIFFERENCE FROM THIS YEAR FOR FERTILIZING AND PESTICIDE, THE DIFFERENCE FOR THIS YEAR TO NEXT YEAR, THE COST FACTORS?
>> WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER, WE FEEL THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING A BUDGET THAT THE GOLF COURSE SUPERINTENDENT SUPPORTS WITH CHEMICALS, PESTICIDES, FERTILIZATION, WHERE HE FEELS IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE GOLF COURSE TO CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YES, IT IS HIGHER THAN WHAT WE SUBMITTED THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR.
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WE ARE SCRAMBLING RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUR LAST BULK FERTILIZATION ON THE GOLF COURSE.BUT WE FEEL WITH WHAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED THAT WE WILL HAVE THE SAND FOR ERROR RATING, THE FERTILIZATION, THE PESTICIDE, AND ALL THAT STUFF THAT HE NEEDS TO DO THE APPROPRIATE MAINTENANCE TO THE GOLF COURSE.
THE PESTICIDE AND FERTILIZATION THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED IS ABOUT $190,000.
>> THAT CONCLUDE THAT ITEM ON THE FEES FOR NOW?
[7. WGA UPDATE]
A NEW GA UPDATE.>> NOTHING GOING ON WITH THE LADIES LEAGUE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE STILL ON HIATUS UNTIL THE WEEK AFTER LABOR DAY.
>> HOW ABOUT ITEM 8, THE MGA UPDATE?
[8. MGA UPDATE]
>> THE MGA UPDATE, SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, TWO MEMBERS OF THE MGA HAVE HAD HOLES IN ONE.
DOC JOHNSON HAD HOLE IN ONE ON 9 WEST, AND TYLER BRIDGES HAD A HOLE IN ONE ON 3 SOUTH.
SECOND UPDATE IS THAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER, INCREASING MEMBERSHIP.
SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, MEMBERSHIP HAS INCREASED FROM 92 MEMBERS TO 95 MEMBERS.
>> THAT'S IT. ITEM 9, STAFF COMMENTS.
[9. STAFF COMMENTS]
9.1, GOLF CLUB UPDATES.>> JEFF DIGGERS, GENERAL MANAGER, FERNANDINA GOLF CLUB.
WE'VE DISCUSSED A GOOD BIT OF THIS ALREADY IN AND OUT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH IT.
BEING HERE A MONTH, YOU WERE ASKING FOR SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.
I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO GET THOSE NUMBERS SOMEWHAT GOING FORWARD IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU GUYS.
I DID WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE BUDGET.
SCOTT SAID I'VE COME IN AND HELPED HIM AT THIS POINT, AND HE'S SHOWN ME WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING, AND WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BUDGET TO ADVANCE THE GOLF COURSE.
BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS HELP ONCE WE GET TALKING TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT IT.
WITH THAT SAID, I'M JUST GOING TO GO DOWN MY LIST HERE.
THIS IS HOW I SEE THESE MEETINGS GOING WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN EACH MONTH.
I SPLIT IT BETWEEN 18 HOLE AND NINE HOLE.
THOSE FEES THERE, THAT'S TOTAL GOLF. THAT'S EVERYTHING.
THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE GOLF, THE CART FEES, THE GREENS FEES, WHAT WE'VE SOLD IN THE GOLF SHOP.
TOPTRACER BAY RENTALS, AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH US RESTRUCTURING LAST YEAR.
TOPTRACER, THOSE FEES SPLIT BETWEEN THE DRIVING RANGE FOR THE GOLF SHOP AND THE DRIVING RANGE FOR TOPTRACER, WHICH, AS I JUMP OVER TO THE TOPTRACER AREA, THAT AREA, WE'RE ABOUT BREAKING EVEN RIGHT NOW.
WE DO STILL HAVE THREE MONTHS LEFT OF THIS BUDGET, SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
BUT THAT'S HOW I SEE TOPTRACER GOING FORWARD AS WE'RE LOOKING TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT.
GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE INTENT TO PURCHASE FOR THE FAIRWAYS.
WE HAVE SAT DOWN, SCOTT, MYSELF, JEREMIAH, TRYING TO DO A VEHICLE ROTATION PLAN.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OPTIONS GOING FORWARD.
OUR GREENS MOWERS ARE THE NEXT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT DOING AN INTENT TO PURCHASE FOR SO WE CAN GET THESE ITEMS IN LINE TO BE PURCHASED BECAUSE WE DO HAVE EQUIPMENT NEEDS.
ANOTHER THING ABOUT MAINTENANCE RIGHT NOW, WE'VE HIRED AND STARTED A MECHANIC THIS PAST MONDAY. SO THAT'S GOOD.
WE'VE HIRED TWO OTHER PART TIME PEOPLE, SO THE STAFF HAS COME AROUND.
GOING FORWARD, I THINK WE'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD CORE THERE.
MARK AND BRIAN HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, AND THAT'S WHO I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH PRETTY MUCH THE FIRST MONTH I'VE BEEN THERE, HANGING WITH THEM AND JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW OUR MAINTENANCE SITUATION IS.
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GOING THROUGH THAT GOLF COURSE MAINTENANCE AREA, THE PUTTING GREEN, IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T NOTICED, WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF SIDE FROM THAT AREA BEHIND NUMBER 7 WHERE THAT TEMPORARY GREEN IS, NURSERY GREEN, THAT'S REALLY COMING TOGETHER, AND SOME OF THAT MAY BE ADDED TO NUMBER 3 NORTH BECAUSE WE'RE STILL HAVING STRUGGLES OVER THERE ON NUMBER 3 NORTH.THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO A TEMPORARY GREEN THERE GOING FORWARD ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS VERIFICATION, THAT'S GOING TO START, AS YOU CAN SEE, WITH WEST TO SOUTH TO NORTH FOR THREE WEEKS, STARTING THE END OF JULY.
THIS WILL BE ANOTHER TIME THAT THEY WILL PULL OUT, ADD SAND, AND HOPEFULLY IMPROVE THE SOIL THAT'S IN THESE GREENS.
>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. AT THE COMMISSION MEETING, THEY STILL THROW OUT THAT 18 VERSUS 27.
I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH MOST OF THEIR THOUGHTS ON THAT.
BUT IF THIS WAS JUST AN 18-HOLE COURSE, WOULDN'T THAT BE A MASSIVE DISRUPTION HAVING TO SHUT DOWN A NINE LIKE WE HAVE TO DO HERE IF WE ONLY HAVE 18 HOLES?
>> I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE NINE CLOSED.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CUT A THIRD OF YOUR COSTS, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT COULD AFFECT YOUR REVENUES WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS LIKE TOURNAMENTS OR THE BLITZ, OR WE AERIFY.
WHEN WE AERIFY THE GOLF COURSE, WE HAVE THE LUXURY OF AERIFYING NINE HOLES AND STILL KEEP AN 18 OPEN, WHERE SOME CLUBS HAVE TO CLOSE FOR TWO, THREE, FOUR DAYS.
THAT'S MY OPINION THERE WHEN IT COMES TO NINE HOLES, BUT I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED MORE GOING FORWARD.
>> AT LEAST ON THE COMING FRIDAY. I'M SORRY.
>> THAT'S OKAY. HE'S HELPING ME.
THE RENTAL UNIT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FOR THE FAIRWAY, IF YOU GUYS DIDN'T KNOW.
WE'VE BEEN GOING WITH ONE FAIRWAY MOWER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD BOTH OF THEM DOWN AT ONE POINT.
WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE FUNCTIONAL THAT HAS ITS OWN ISSUES.
BUT WE'VE WORKED TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN GET A RENTAL UNIT AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS GOING FORWARD, IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE PULLED BEHIND A TRACTOR.
IT'LL CUT MAYBE A LITTLE TIGHTER, BUT NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT FOR A TRUE FAIRWAY UNIT.
MARK'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THAT SET UP, AND WE MAY HAVE IT TOMORROW OR MONDAY.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP SOME WITH MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD.
INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE UNIT RUN CONTINUOUSLY TILL IT HAS ISSUES AND BREAKDOWN, BECAUSE NORMALLY WE'VE GOT TWO FAIRWAY UNITS, AND THEY'RE MOWING THREE DAYS A WEEK HALF THE GOLF COURSE, NOT ONE UNIT, ALL 27 HOLES, PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.
LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GROWING SOME GRASS. LET'S SEE.
GOING FORWARD WITH FOOD AND BEVERAGE, KRISTY HAD A GREAT MONTH, AROUND $40,000 PLUS.
WE HAD THE STATE NIGHT ON THE 21ST. WE HAD 36.
WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GROW THOSE AS MANY AS WE CAN GET.
BUT WHEN WE GET INTO THE FALL, THE WINTER, HOPEFULLY, THOSE NUMBERS WILL GROW.
WE HAD 24 FOR THE NINE & DINE ON JUNE 30TH, AND THAT WAS A REALLY FUN EVENT.
I THINK WE MAY TRY TO DO ONE AGAIN IN THE COMING MONTHS, IF NOT MONTHLY, MAYBE EVEN GETTING INTO THE SEASON.
A COUPLE OF THINGS NOT ON THE LIST, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
ON THE 19TH, WE MIGHT BE ON THE BACK, WE GOT THE NEXT DINNER, BARBECUE, GOT TO BE SIGNED UP BY THIS MONDAY, THE 15TH.
ON THE 20TH, WE'VE RENTED OUT THE CLUBHOUSE FOR WHAT THEY CALL A CHRISTMAS IN JULY FOR A FARMERS MARKET.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE 35 VENDORS THERE BETWEEN 11:00 AND 2:00.
IF YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN SHOWING UP FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
MARKETING. I'VE MET WITH MARK SCHUMAN AND MARC O DAY WITH THE TWO RESPECTIVE NEWSPAPERS OR MAGAZINES, HOPING TO KEEP SOMETHING GOING WITH OUR ADVERTISING THERE, MAYBE EVEN A COUPLE MORE AS WE GET INTO OCTOBER AND THE NEXT BUDGET.
SO THAT'S ONE WAY WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR NAME OUT THERE GOING FORWARD. LET'S SEE.
I KNOW WE DID WORK ON IT, I THINK, LAST YEAR, BUT THAT NETTING IS PRETTY POOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE WILL END UP GOING WITH THAT, BUT I DID TALK TO TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS.
ONE JUST GAVE ME AN ESTIMATE OF BURBANK SPORTS NETS JUST TO REPLACE ALL THE PANELS FOR EACH NETTING, AND IT'S AROUND 11,000, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
THE OTHER ONE, I GOT A QUOTE ON EVERYTHING BECAUSE OUR POLES ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.
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THE WHOLE AREA NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.IT'S UPWARDS OF ABOUT ALMOST 192,000 TO DO ALL OF THAT WITH WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'LL BE THERE, BUT I JUST FELT LIKE THAT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE NETTING.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR THE RANGE FOR NEXT YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> OUR GOAL WILL BE TO REPAIR THE EXISTING HOLE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.
BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WE SUBMITTED, IT'S NOT IN THERE, SO WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOME REPAIR IF IT'S IN HOUSE OR HOWEVER, AT A LOW COST.
IF IF OUR GOAL IS TO ULTIMATELY REPAIR IT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BECAUSE IT DOES NEED TO BE REPAIRED, THEN SPENDING 10 OR 12 OR 15 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REPAIR IT.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT AN INTERNAL WAY TO FIX IT TO PREVENT THE BALLS FROM GOING OUT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WE WOULD NOT GET AN ADDITIONAL $200,000 IN THIS EXISTING BUDGET, I DON'T BELIEVE.
>> MAKES SENSE. I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID A MONTH AGO AND THAT THE ABILITY TO HAVE A REVENUE MAKING PROPOSITION IS IN THE DRIVING RANGE WITHOUT QUESTION.
YOU GET MORE MONEY OUT OF A DRIVING RANGE THAN YOU WILL GET IN SOMEBODY PLAYING AROUND THE GOLF PROFIT-WISE.
>> THE EMPHASIS WHENEVER POSSIBLE, SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE IDEA, EITHER FOR '24-'25 OR '25-'26.
WE REALLY GOT TO LOOK AT REVENUE.
THE REVENUE COMES FROM THAT SMALL AREA THAT WE CALL A DRIVING RANGE.
WHEN WE FIGURE IT OUT THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING 60% WORTH OF DRINKS, FOOD OR BEVERAGE OUT OF A TOPTRACER.
WE'RE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THAT REVENUE BRINGS IN TO US FOR PLAYING TOPTRACER.
IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE TOP GOLF OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER ONES, IT'S 60% FOOD AND BEVERAGE, 40% TOPTRACER.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR REVENUE.
THERE IT IS. GREAT. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
THEY HAVE THIS NEW SUDS AND PUT OR WHATEVER IT IS, WHICH WILL BE OPENING UP IN JULY, END OF JULY, 1 OF AUGUST.
THEY GOT ALL THE RIGHT ABC ALREADY LINED UP.
THEY CAN DO THEIR FOOD, THEY CAN DO THEIR BEVERAGES, THEY CAN DO THEIR TOPTRACER OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CALL IT RIGHT INDOORS.
>> TWELVE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR.
>> BUT THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH HITTING INTO A SCREEN LIKE YOU SEE ON THE GOLF CHANNEL WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT STUFF?
>> I'M ONLY STATING THE OBVIOUS.
BUT THE APPEARANCE OF THAT WHOLE DRIVING RANGE WILL CHANGE A LOT IN HOW WE OPERATE.
>> ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD IS JUST WITH TOPTRACER, LIKE I HAD STATED BEFORE, WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDER CONTRACT UNTIL FEBRUARY 9TH OF 2026.
JEFFREY AND I, ONCE WE FOUND THIS OUT, WE'RE GOING TO GET SPONSORS AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOWARDS THAT.
THEN I BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO BE OUR CHANCE TO GIVE IT, CAN WE MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT?
>> CAN I ASK YOU WHAT YOUR STAFFING PLAN IS IN THE NEAR FUTURE AS FAR AS WHEN TO MAN THE TOPTRACER? DO YOU MAN IT FROM WHEN YOU OPEN WHEN YOU CLOSE IT RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE SUMMER?
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>> IT'LL SHORTEN AS THE DAYS GET SHORTER, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT, 10 O'CLOCK TO SEVEN O'CLOCK.
WE BASICALLY HAVE IT MANNED DURING THOSE HOURS.
IF YOU'RE HITTING PRIOR TO THAT, IT'S NOT OPEN, BUT YOU CAN STILL HIT RANGE BALLS.
>> DO YOU PERCEIVE THAT PRIOR TO THREE O'CLOCK, THERE ISN'T VERY MUCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 3:00-4:00?
>> I DON'T IN A SENSE OF JUST GOLF BALLS BEING HIT.
WE'VE SEEN BALLS HIT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
THE THING IS YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IT'S OPEN.
WE'RE INCLUDING THAT IN THE RANGE BALLS NOW.
IT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN WHAT IT WAS, I THINK, A YEAR-AND-A-HALF, TWO YEARS AGO WHEN IF YOU JUST HIT BALLS DOWN THERE, WHEN IT WAS OPEN, YOU JUST HIT BALLS.
YOU HAD TO PAY FOR THE BAY FOR THE TOPTRACER.
>> BASED ON THE FEES, YOU GOT TO MAN IT YOURSELF?
>> YEAH. THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT I SAID, WE'RE, I THINK, ABOUT ALMOST BREAK EVEN AS OF RIGHT NOW THROUGH NINE MONTHS.
THAT'S EVERYTHING. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> LET ME ASK SCOTT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ON THIS CURRENT BUDGET THAT WE'RE ON NOW, WE CAME ACROSS IT, AND THERE WERE LIKE THREE ITEMS ON IT AS FAR AS YOUR RIG SPRAYER AND A FAIRWAY WHEEL MOWER.
IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE THAT WE'RE GETTING NOW? IS THIS ONE THAT DIDN'T GET PURCHASED AND NOW IT NEEDS TO BE PURCHASED?
>> I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
HOWEVER, THE SPRAY RIG, THAT ACTUALLY WAS FROM FISCAL YEAR.
IT GOT ROLLED OVER INTO THIS YEAR FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
THAT WASN'T EVEN INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE ON WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT, BUT THAT STILL HAS BEEN ORDERED AND WE'LL BE PAID FOR.
IF WE DO NOT RECEIVE THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ROLLED OVER INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUT THAT MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR.
THAT'S THE SPRAY RIG THAT WE NEED.
THEN THE SECOND ONE, I BELIEVE, WAS WHAT WAS IT CALLED?
>> IT WAS A 2017 TORO FAIRWAY REEL MOWER.
>> THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DID PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE INTENT TO PURCHASE.
>> BECAUSE THAT WAS ONLY BUDGETED FOR 48,000 AND I DON'T KNOW NOW WHETHER THE NEW PRICE IS [OVERLAPPING].
ONCE AGAIN, ARE YOU LOOKING AT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT?
>> FIFTY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FROM THE CURRENT YEAR IS BETTER.
>> AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN GETS BUILT AND WE MOVE TOWARDS CLOSER AND CLOSER, THOSE NUMBERS GET REFINED MORE AND MORE AS PRICES HAVE GONE UP AND UP.
FOR EACH UNIT, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 90,000 FOR THE FAIRWAY UNITS, EACH ONE OF THEM.
WITH THAT NUMBER BEING IN THERE, IT GOT REFINED AS WE GOT CLOSER.
THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE ON THE LIST TO BE PURCHASED.
>> I GUESS THAT'S IT, AND SORRY.
>> THAT CONCLUDED STAFF COMMENTS.
[10. BOARD COMMENTS]
YOU'D LIKE TO START OFF?>> JEFFREY, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK THAT MARK AND HIS STAFF AND THE CORRECT BARN HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST MONTH-AND-A-HALF WITH THE WEATHER WE'VE HAD, WITH THE CONDITIONS WE'VE HAD, WITH THE PLAY THAT WE'VE HAD.
THEY'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB, AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED FOR IT.
THEY'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB.
THOSE CARTS ARE ALWAYS CLEAN, THOSE GUYS ARE ALWAYS SMILING.
EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS THERE, AND THEY'RE KILLING THEMSELVES AT 110 DEGREE WEATHER.
GREAT JOB BY THOSE GUYS, AND I'D LIKE YOU TO RECOGNIZE THEM.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TODAY.
>> I'LL SAY MINE THEN. YOU LEFT IT UP.
>> I HAVE A WAY YOU CAN MAKE MORE REVENUE.
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>> WE'D LOVE TO HEAR IT. CAN YOU WRITE US A CHECK? NON PLAYING MEMBER OF THE GOLF.
>> WE CAN NAME NINE HOLES AFTER YOU. FOR.
>> TYBEE ISLAND MADE $3 MILLION LAST YEAR WITH BEACH PARKING.
IF THIS CITY WOULD EMBRACE PAID PARKING, WE COULD PROBABLY MAKE 2 OR $3 MILLION A YEAR, WHICH WOULD TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF OUR WOES.
>> JUST SAYING, YOU WANT ANOTHER PLACE FOR REVENUE, AND THAT'S MOSTLY BEING PAID BY PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE.
>> THREE MILLION GROSS OR NET. YOU GOT TO PAY.
>> JUST MY POINT BEING IS, YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO TAKE THE MONEY OR SOMETHING.
>> NO. IT'S ALL DONE ELECTRONICALLY NOW.
>> THEN WHAT YOU GOT TO PAY FOR THAT.
>> BUT THE POINT IS WHEN I'VE LOOKED INTO THIS, IT'S HIGHLY LUCRATIVE FOR CITIES TO DO PAID PARKING.
>> I'LL JUST MAKE ONE QUICK OBSERVATION ON THAT.
>> BEACH PARKING LOT, THE ONLY TIME IT'S REALLY FULL GENERALLY, AND IT'S FOR LESS THAN TWO MONTHS IS THE SATURDAY.
>> WEEK DAYS ARE PRETTY LIGHT.
>> I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THE PROJECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, AND THIS THING HAS BEEN LOOKED AT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, THAT IF YOU HAVE PAID BEACH PARKING, YOU WILL MAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
>> WHICH COULD BE USED FOR THE GOLF COURSE, THE MARINA, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST MAIN BEACH, BUT ALL THE AREAS?
>> I'M JUST ASKING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I SENSE AND JUST DO MAIN BEACH.
DELAWARE HAS HAD IT FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS, AND THE THING THAT MADE IT SO INTERESTING, IT BROUGHT IN REVENUE CLOSE TO ALMOST $7 MILLION FOR ONLY BEING IN OPERATION FROM WEEKEND BEFORE THE MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY.
THEN IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE MAP AND EVERYBODY COULD GO DO THEIR THING.
EVEN IF IT WAS HALF OF THAT, AND IT WOULD BE PROSPEROUS FOR US JUST FOR THE BEACH AREA.
DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BRING IT DOWNTOWN.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING THAT UP WITH YOUR CITY COMMISSIONERS.
>> AS WAS SAYING, [LAUGHTER] I TOOK A STAND AT SPEAKING UP AT THE COMMISSIONER MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO GIVE IT A SHOT.
IT'S INTIMIDATING BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS COME OUT LIKE YOU'D LIKE TO.
BUT I THINK SEEING MORE THAN MY FACE, IF THEY GET UP AND SPEAK, I GUESS IT WOULD BE THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, IS THAT NEXT TUESDAY, SAYING THAT GOLF COURSE NEEDS MONEY.
>> WELL, I THINK THEY REALIZED THAT, THAT THE GOLF COURSE NEEDS MONEY.
I JUST THINK THAT I AM SO GLAD THAT THEY DECIDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW MOWERS WERE IN PLACE FOR NEXT BUDGET BUYING PERIOD, THAT THIS WILL ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO AT LEAST START WITH ACQUIRING NEW EQUIPMENT THAT IS SO OUTDATED.
THE BETTER THE EQUIPMENT, THE BETTER THE RESULTS WITHOUT QUESTION.
>> THERE WAS NO COMMITMENT TO BUY THOSE MOWERS.
ZERO. THERE WAS A COMMITMENT TO ORDER THE MOWERS, THERE WAS NO COMMITMENT TO BUY THOSE MOWERS.
>> I'M SORRY, I'LL TAKE THAT BACK. THANK YOU.
>> I WOULD JUST SAY, AGAIN, IF YOU GOT THE OPPORTUNITY OR INCLINATION, TAKE A STAB AT IT.
I TRY NOT TO GO TOO FAR OUT OF MY LANE AS FAR AS REPRESENTING WHAT I BELIEVE FOR WHAT THE WHOLE BOARD MAY BELIEVE.
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THAT'S ALWAYS A LITTLE TOUCHY AS FAR AS WE DON'T GET TOGETHER AND SAY, JOHN OR MIKE OR TOM OR CHARLIE, YOU'RE GOING TO GO SAY THIS.IT DOESN'T QUITE COME OUT THAT WAY.
WITH THAT, I WON'T BELABOR IT.
I THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR SERVICE HERE.
WE'LL BE MEETING IN TWO WEEKS TO DISCUSS THE INFORMATION AND ADVOCATE AND GET BEHIND IT, IF POSSIBLE, THAT THE MANAGEMENT WILL ADVOCATE.
THANK YOU. BUT WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOVE FOR ADJOURNMENT.
>> I'LL SECOND.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.