[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM ]
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>> THE JUNE 27, 2024, HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING.
MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
>> THANK YOU. IF YOU JOIN ME, WE WILL.
>> MEMBERS, WITH YOUR ASSENT, WE WILL SEE MISS FILKOFF FOR TAMMI'S VOTING RULE TONIGHT.
>> ANY OPPOSITION? NO. OKAY. THAT'S SUFFICIENT FOR YOU? VERY GOOD. BOARD MEMBERS, LET'S START WITH MS. FILKOFF TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
>> I SPOKE TO THOSE GUYS AGAIN, JOHN, ABOUT HIS PROJECT.
>> LET'S SEE. MS. LISA FIGLESIN AND I HAVE SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PROJECT.
MR. MARTEL AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PROJECT.
OF COURSE, I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE AGENDA, AND THAT INCLUDES SYLVIE, KELLY, AND JEREMIAH.
I THINK THAT'S IT. COUNCIL, WOULD YOU PLEASE REVIEW THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES?
>> TONIGHT, THE CASES ON THE AGENDA, EACH ONE WILL BE HANDLED BY THE HDC BOARD AS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FIRST, MS. GIBSON WITH CITY STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD.
SHE MAY CALL WITNESSES, I DON'T THINK SHE HAS ANY TONIGHT, BUT STAFF IS PERMITTED TO CALL WITNESSES.
THE PARTIES IN THE CASE ARE THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AFTER THE CITY MAKES THEIR CASE, PRESENTS EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY, THEN THE APPLICANT AND OR THEIR AGENT WILL COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD.
ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WITH THE AGENDA, THERE WERE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TONIGHT.
THOSE BACKUP MATERIALS ARE ALREADY PART OF THE RECORD, BUT THERE CAN BE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS ADDED TONIGHT.
MAKE SURE EITHER PARTY, CITY, OR PROPERTY OWNER, IF YOU HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS, LET THE OTHER PARTIES SEE IT AND DECIDE WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS BEFORE IT'S PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
AFTER CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT MAKE THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD, THEN ANY AFFECTED PARTIES, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY, COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD.
THE PARTIES AND AFFECTED PARTIES ALL ARE PERMITTED TO CALL WITNESSES AS I STATED FOR STAFF EARLIER, EVEN AFFECTED PARTIES MAY CALL WITNESSES.
THEN ALL THE AFFECTED PARTIES MAY CROSS EXAMINE EACH OTHER, ASK EACH OTHER QUESTIONS, OR THOSE OF THEIR WITNESSES.
EVERYBODY IS ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND CROSS EXAMINE DURING OUR QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
WE HAVE NO VARIANCES ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
ANY OF THE MOTIONS REQUIRE AT LEAST A MAJORITY, THREE OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS TO APPROVE THE MOTION IN ORDER FOR IT TO PASS.
VARIANCES REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY, AS YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE TONIGHT.
APPEALS. IF ANY OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL TONIGHT ARE TO BE APPEALED, THAT APPEAL WINDOW IS VERY LIMITED TO 30 DAYS AFTER THE WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT, THAT APPEAL GETS FILED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT.
ABOUT 35 DAYS, IT TAKES A FEW DAYS FOR THE FINDINGS OF FACTS TO BE AVAILABLE AND SIGNED BY THE CHAIR.
ABOUT 35 DAYS IS THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS TO APPEAL THE COURT'S DECISIONS.
>> LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT NOT RELATIVE TO THAT.
>> IF YOU PLAN TO SPEAK TONIGHT, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT SURE, IF YOU PLAN OR MAYBE SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TAKE THE OATH.
EVERYBODY IN EVERY CASE, WILL TAKE THE OATH AT THE BEGINNING WHEN THE CHAIR ASKS.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL? HEARING NONE.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY TONIGHT, PLEASE RISE NOW.
MS. SYLVIE WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH.
>> ALSO FILL OUT A SPEAKING FROM LOCATED BY THE COUNTER THERE.
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DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONIES YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?>>THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET INTO REGULAR BUSINESS, I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.
MR. GEORGE, WE WELCOME YOU BACK.
WE HOPE TO SEE YOU FULL TIME SOON.
EARLY. ADRIAN BURKE IS HERE, OUR FORMER PLANNING DIRECTOR.
ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE HER AROUND.
THANK YOU. BENJAMIN. FORMER BOARD MEMBER, BENJAMIN MORRISON IS HERE.
[LAUGHTER] I BELIEVE HARVEY TOLD ME TO TELL YOU [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGHTER] BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES.
ONE MORE PERSON. OUR NEW STAFF MS. MORGAN IS HERE.
WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE ANOTHER PLANNING TECH ON BOARD.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES.>> SOMEBODY COULD MOVE THEM, PLEASE.
ESCLUSA? HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
>> YES. WE'LL PROCEED IMMEDIATELY TO OLD BUSINESS.
[4.1 HDC 2022-0076 - BASHAM & LUCAS DESIGN GROUP, INC., AGENT FOR CENTRE & THIRD, LLC, 209-211 CENTRE STREET (FINAL) + LOT 26 N. 3RD STREET (CONCEPTUAL) ]
THIS IS THE CASE 2022.I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
THIS IS FOR CENTER STREET AND THE ADJACENT LOT ON 209211 CENTER STREET AND THE ADJACENT LOT ON 26 NORTH, THIRD STREET.
DIRECTOR. THIS IS A FINAL ON THE CENTER STREET LOT, A CONCEPTUAL, IS THAT RIGHT? IT IS ON THE THIRD STREET?
>> YES. WE HAVE RECEIVED THIS PREVIOUSLY AND APPROVED IT, AS I RECALL.
>> YOU'RE COVERING ALL THE POINTS. [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION, DIRECTOR. I'M TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE FIRST CASE OF TWO.
IT'S A TWO PART CASE AT 2022-0076.. WE WILL SEE THIS AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S A FINAL APPROVAL REQUEST, AS WELL AS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL REQUEST.
I'VE BROKEN IT INTO TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.
PROJECT 1 IS THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 209211 CENTER STREET.
THIS IS THE CASE THAT YOU'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WAS SITTING AT BOARD MEMBERS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
IT WAS IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND OCTOBER OF 2023, WHEN CONCEPTUAL REVIEW OCCURRED FOR THE STRUCTURE.
HISTORICALLY, THERE HAD BEEN A STRUCTURE THAT'S OUT THERE, AND IT IS CONTAINED IN THE STAFF REPORT, A VISUAL OF WHAT THAT STRUCTURE LOOKED LIKE BEFORE ITS PRESENT APPEARANCE AS A POCKET PARK.
THE DESIGN VISION FOR THIS STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE A MODERN INTERPRETATION OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE.
THE BOARD DID PROVIDE CONCEPTUAL LEVEL OF APPROVALS AND FEEDBACK, AND THE DESIGN TODAY IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PROVIDED AT THAT POINT IN TIME WITH ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THE MATERIALS PROVIDED AT THIS POINT SO THAT IT COULD ISSUE A FINAL APPROVAL.
STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE PLANT DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR FOR REHABILITATION, EXCUSE ME, AND ISSUES A RECOMMENDATION OF FINAL APPROVAL FOR THIS PROJECT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE ACTION SEPARATELY ON THE TWO SO THAT IT IS CLEAR FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A FINAL APPROVAL, AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE SECOND PART OF THE SAME CASE FILE.
IF THAT'S OKAY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THAT, AND HOPEFULLY THE APPLICANT IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS WELL.
>> BASICALLY CONCERNING TWO SEPARATE CASES UNDER ONE HEADING?
>> IT'S TWO PROJECTS, ONE CASE FILE.
>> THAT'S FINE.. BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBBS?
>> COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, ADDRESS AND NAME, PLEASE.
>> BENJAMIN MORRISON, 7645 GATE PARKWAY JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
AGENT, FITTING HONOR. GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING THIS PROJECT BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
IT'S REMAINED FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU GUYS SAW WHEN IT CAME IN FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FROM AMASSING A MATERIALITY STANDPOINT.
PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT HAPPENED SINCE THEN AND NOW IS THE DECISION TO GO WITH A FULL BRICK FACADE AND SAID BEFORE IT WAS PARTIALLY BRICK AND PARTIALLY STUCK UP.
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BUT WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME AND EFFORT TRYING TO DEVELOP THE BRICK WORK ON THE FACADE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXPECTATION AND THE HISTORY OF DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA.WE FEEL LIKE IT FITS WITH THE CONTEXT OF THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, AND IT'LL BE A NICE COMPLIMENT TO CENTER STREET.
>> QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORRISON?
>> I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, AND I SUSPECT OUR ARCHITECT.
>> I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT WE GOT A FULL SET OF ARMS THAT PROVIDE FACT DETAILING TO REALLY SHOW US, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE GOING WITH THE BRICK.
YOU HAVE THE BRICK DETAILING ON THE SHEETS TO SHOW US HOW IT'S GOING TO BE EXPRESSED, TO BACK UP WHAT THAT IMAGE IS SHOWING THERE.
THAT WAY WHEN WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, IF WE APPROVE, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET BECAUSE YOU HAVE SHOWN HOW THE BUILDER IS GOING TO GIVE US WHAT YOUR IMAGE SHOWS, AND FOR ME, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
THE DIRECTION, THE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE DESIGNER, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE BUILDER OR THE SUBCONTRACTORS IN THE FIELD MAKING THE DECISIONS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SECTION THROUGH THERE THAT CLEARLY SHOWS US THAT ALL THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT AND STUFF IS GOING TO BE HIDDEN FROM STREET VIEW.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT AS YOU'RE WALKING BY AND DOWN THE STREET.
THE PARAPET IS CLEARLY GOING TO KEEP THAT OUT OF VIEW, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT PRETTY CLOSELY IN THESE AND YOU'VE GIVEN US A DETAIL TO SHOW US THAT.
WE'VE GOT CUT SHEETS SHOWING ALL THE ELEMENTS ON THE FRONT AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO WORK AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK.
REALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS NICE TO SEE A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION OF DRAWINGS SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT IN ITS FULL ENSEMBLE.
I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I HAVE TO SAY ONE OF MY FAVORITE THING IS THE TEXTURE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT FRONT FACADE REALLY DOESN'T MAKE WELL.
I MEAN, IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW ALL THE TEXTURE THAT'S ON IT.
WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE THREE DIMENSIONAL, THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THE RECESS IN THE BRICK, POTENTIALLY FOR A SIGN THERE, SOME OF THOSE [INAUDIBLE].
THE COVERED DINING AREA THAT YOU HAVE ON THE ON THE MAIN ENTRY, I THINK THAT GIVES IT A LOT OF TEXTURE THAT I THINK IS VERY, NOT ONLY YOU'RE PROFESSIONALLY DETAILING YOUR BRICK WORK, BUT ALSO VERY INVITING, I THINK, FOR THAT SPACE.
ALSO THE BRICK, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECT, IS RECLAIMED BRICK, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T SELECTED A SPECIFIC PRODUCT YET, BUT I ASSUME THAT ONCE WE DO, WE'LL SUBMIT IT TO STAFF JUST FOR THE RECORD SO THAT THEY CAN BLESS IT.
>> I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
THE FINISH FOR THE COPING FOR THE CAP, IS IT?
>> THEN LIKE JIM MENTIONED, SO THE HVAC UNITS ON THE SECTION, I SEE THAT IT WOULD CLEARLY BE NOT VISIBLE ON THE HIGHEST PART OF THE PARAPET.
ARE WE CLEAR THAT IT WILL NOT BE VISIBLE ON THE LOWER SIDE ON THE ON THE TWO SIDES?
>> YEAH. I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT [OVERLAPPING]. YEAH.
>> ROOF DRAINAGE. IT DRAINS ALL OF IT DRAINS TO THE RIGHT?
>> IT'S JUST A SHINGLE SLIPPAGE, YEAH.
>> OKAY. SOME OF THE WALL SECTIONS, SHOWS THE MECHANISM OF THE FOLDING DOOR.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S FOR THE DETAIL, BUT THEY WILL ALL BE COVERED, RIGHT? IT SHOWS THE MECHANISM, LIKE THE CHAIN AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE EXPOSED, RIGHT?
>> NO. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING ANYWAY, BUT EITHER WAY, YEAH, IT'S ALL COVERED WITH ALUMINUM COVERINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE.
>> GOT YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> YEAH, ACTUALLY, I THINK THE DESIGN IS APPROPRIATE FOR CENTER STREET.
I THINK IT'S WELL DONE. IN TERMS OF THE FRONT ELEVATION, IT WORKS WELL.
THIS MAY BE TOO TECHNICAL, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ASK IT ANYWAY. I'M SORRY.
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IN TERMS OF THE WALL CONSTRUCTION, WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF FABRIC FLASHING IN THE WALLS? I'M NOT SEEING ANY OF THAT IN THE DETAILS, WHERE YOU HAVE BOND BEAMS OR STEEL, SO JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT WITH THAT.>> TIM, QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK I'M INCLINED TO VOTE AT THE BACK END OF THIS PROCESS.
IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. WE'LL HAVE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
BOARD MEMBERS, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? WOULD YOU TO?
>> I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
>> WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO PUBLIC.
LISTEN. I'M SAYING, IF YOU'RE ASKING HOW WE WANT TO BREAK THE [INAUDIBLE], WE'LL VOTE ON THIS ONE WHEN IT'S TIME.
>> VERY GOOD PAGE. WE'RE ON THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT THE NEXT ONE? YEAH. LET THE DIRECTOR [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A SEAT, AND WE'LL LET THE DIRECTOR DO HER BIT AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
>> THE SECOND OF THESE TWO [INAUDIBLE] IS LOCATED 9 NORTH THIRD STREET.
THIS IS ONE THAT YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY, SO THIS IS FOR CONCEPTUAL REVIEW AND FOR CONSIDERATION.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD, BUT I DON'T I DIDN'T SEE ANY FILES INDICATING THAT IT APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD.
THIS IS FOR A TWO-STORY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 9 NORTH THIRD STREET.
IT IS TO CONTAIN APPROXIMATELY 1000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR WITH STORAGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THEIR DESIGN STATEMENT IS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT IN SCALE AND MATERIALS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AND MAINTAINING THE FORMS AND PROPORTIONS THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE HISTORIC FABRIC AND STREETSCAPE.
AGAIN, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, STAFF WILL ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND LOOKS FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR FEEDBACK.
THIS, AS WELL AS THE PROJECT NUMBER 1, WILL HELP NEED TO GO TO TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR FULL SITE PLAN REVIEW AND ISSUANCE OF A LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER BEFORE IT IS CONSTRUCTED.
WITH THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE, YOU'LL SEE IT AGAIN AT FINAL APPROVAL.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR. [INAUDIBLE]
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO PULL UP ANY DETAILS OF THE APPLICATION, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, I HAVE THE FILES.
>> I THINK THAT YOU GUYS DID SEE A PROPOSED BUILDING [OVERLAPPING] A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS JUST A SINGLE-STORY STRUCTURE, AND I THINK THE FOOTPRINT WAS PROBABLY FAIRLY SIMILAR TO WHERE IT IS NOW, BUT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE INSTEAD OF ONE.
BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING GEOMETRY FOR THE LOT, IT'S CONSTRAINED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS ALLEYWAY THAT GOES DOWN THE SIDE THAT BOTH A UTILITY EASEMENT, BUT ALSO IT'S SERVING AS THE EMERGENCY EGRESS PATH FROM THE OUTBACK OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU GUYS JUST LOOKED AT.
WE TAKE A 25-FOOT LOT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ALL WE REALLY HAVE LEFT TO WORK WITH IS 18 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO IT ENDS UP BEING A FAIRLY NARROW, SMALL BUILDING.
BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S AT A POINT WHERE IT'S FAIRLY CONCEPTUAL, INTENDED USE WOULD BE PROBABLY LIKE A MERCANTILE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THERE ARE SOME ACTUALLY PRETTY DECENT TREES IN THE VERY BACK OF THIS LOT, SO I THINK THAT THE OWNER'S INTENT IS TO CREATE A NICE COURTYARD SPACE BACK THERE DEPENDING ON WHO THE TENANT ENDS UP BEING, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ATTRACTIVE TO THEM.
BUT WE'RE INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM ANY DISTURBANCE TO THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE BACK THERE BY KEEPING THE BUILDING TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE LOT.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PAINT A PICTURE RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S CONTEXTUAL AND NOBODY HAS ANY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
>> THAT'S THE [NOISE] INTENT OF THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL PROCESS.
>> SIGNAL STORAGE SAYS STORAGE?
>> I THINK THE FIRST THING I LOOKED AT, AND I'M GLAD THAT WE HAVE THE CONTEXT DRAWING, WAS HOW IS IT GOING TO FIT IN SCALE-WISE WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
WE'VE GOT A SERIES OF ONE STORIES, BUT THE MAIN, WHAT I WOULD CALL ANCHOR BUILDING ON THAT LOT AT THE ENDS THERE IS, OBVIOUSLY, A VERY BIG TWO-STORY.
BUT I THINK YOU VERY EFFECTIVELY HAVE GIVEN US SCALE ELEMENTS BY DOING THE BRICK AT THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN STUCCO ABOVE TO HELP BREAK DOWN THE OVERALL MASS OF THE BUILDING.
I THINK IT FITS IN THAT SPOT VERY WELL, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE ONE STORIES EACH SIDE OF IT,
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THE WAY YOU'VE MARKED WITH THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND GIVEN LINES OF DETAIL THROUGH THE PROJECT IS VERY EFFECTIVELY BRINGING THAT OVERALL SCALE DOWN AND REALLY HELPING IT FIT IN THE CONTEXT.>> GOOD. I THINK, THE INTENT HERE OF USING TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS IS, CENTER STREET IS PREDOMINANTLY BRICK, AND SECOND STREET AS YOU GO UP IS PREDOMINANTLY STUCCO, SO THIS IS A WAY TO BRIDGE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, AS THE BLOCK TRANSITIONS.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORRISON?
>> I JUST HAVE ONE THAT'S BEYOND CONCEPTUAL.
BUT WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE TWO PROJECTS EARLIER, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LITTLE PLAQUE THAT'S IN THE POCKET PARK NOW AND HOPING THAT WE COULD FIND A PLACE TO PUT THAT IN THE PROCESS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION ON THAT WITH THE CITY MAYBE?
>> JOHN CAN ANSWER THAT, MAYBE BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, NOBODY'S EVEN BROUGHT IT UP.
I THINK THE INTENT IS TO DO SOMETHING, WE DON'T WANT IT.
[LAUGHTER] HOPEFULLY, SOMEBODY DOES.
>> REALISTICALLY, FOR THE CENTER STREET BUILDING, CONSTRUCTION IS STILL SEVERAL MONTHS AWAY FROM STARTING, SO THERE'S STILL TIME TO BE ABLE TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> I GUESS WHAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ASSURED OF IS THAT SINCE YOU DON'T WANT IT, THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP IT.
I THINK ADRIAN AND YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE NAMED THAT PARK AND PUT THAT PLAQUE OUT THERE, IT'S [INAUDIBLE] PARK.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S KEPT SOMEWHERE.
>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORRISON.
GOOD CATCH, EARLIER. THAT'S A GOOD CATCH.
>> IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T REMEMBER FROM TWO YEARS AGO.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2022-0076? SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO INTO BOARD DISCUSSION, AND WE WILL VOTE ON THESE SEPARATELY, AND ONE WILL BE FOR FINAL AND ONE WILL BE FOR CONCEPTUAL, AND SO WE'LL NEED TWO MOTIONS.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY ADDITIONAL?
>> I THINK FOR ME, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW, DOES IT GET STATED ON THE RECORD? BUT FOR ME, AN IMPORTANT PART OF SAYING YES IS THAT THAT REAL BRICK IS USED ON THE FINAL BUILDING, THAT IT DOESN'T GET VALUE-ENGINEERED OUT AND IT DISAPPEARS.
I THINK, FOR ME, THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE APPROVAL.
>> WANTS TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THE MOTION? NO REASON NOT TO.
I'M NOT SURE HOW CLOSELY OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT GETS TO READ OUR ACTIONS, BUT AT LEAST IT'D BE ON THE DIRECTOR'S PLATE, AND SHE'LL CONSIDER IT AS PART OF THE TRC REVIEW.
>> IT WOULD BE VIEWED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE AS WELL.
IT DOES GO BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING REVIEW PROCESS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL.
>> THAT'S MOST HELPFUL. THANK YOU.
>> THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL MATCH WHATEVER CONDITIONS WE SET?
>> THEY CHANGED IT AND THEY HAD CHANGED THEM BACK.
>> I SENSE MOTION FROM MR. POZZETTA.
>> YES, I DO. I HEAR THAT TOO.
>> I THINK THAT'S SUCH A [INAUDIBLE].
>> LET'S FIND THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I GUESS I'LL [INAUDIBLE] IT THE CENTER STREET PART AND THE OTHER ONE WILL BE THE THIRD STREET.
>> YOU CAN USE THE ADDRESS IF THAT WOULD BE THE 209-211 CENTER STREET FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES, THAT WILL BE ON THE RECORD THAT WAY.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2022-0076 CENTER STREET WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE TRUE BRICK SHOWN IN THE DRAWINGS IS USED ON THE PROJECT AS SHOWN.
I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE 2022-0076 CENTER STREET, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL FOR THE STRUCTURE AT 209 CENTER STREET, AT THIS TIME.
>> ESCLUSA. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
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HEARING NONE, MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.>> YES. COULD WE GET A MOTION NOW FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES OF THE THIRD STREET 9 AND NORTH THIRD STREET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
>> SHOULD WE MAKE A COMMENT IN THE MOTION ABOUT THAT SIGN, JUST TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T END UP IN A DUMPSTER OR SOMETHING?
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T BELONG TO THIS [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE'VE GOT THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE ACTING CITY MANAGER HERE AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.
MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET THAT HAPPEN.
OF COURSE, THE NAME OF THE NEW RESTAURANT IS THE [INAUDIBLE] BISTRO, LOUNGE, CAFE.
[LAUGHTER] YES, I THINK THE STUFF HAS GOT IT, JIM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO TIE A CITY ACTION TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE [INAUDIBLE], IT'S JUST SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS?
>> I CAN MAKE IT, I THINK I HAVE IT HERE.
>> LET ME MAKE SURE. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2022-0076 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE AGENCY MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE 2022-0076, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS ON THAT ONE?
>> THAT IS 9 NORTH THIRD STREET.
>> THERE YOU GO, 2022-0076 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME FOR THE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 9 NORTH THIRD STREET AT THIS TIME.
>> POYNTER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[5.1 HDC 2024-0011 - COTNER & ASSOCIATES, AGENT FOR COASTAL LEGACY GROUP, 1111 WHITE STREET ]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS IN HDC 2024-0011, COTNER & ASSOCIATES FOR 1111 WHITE STREET, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND OLD.>> THIS, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, IS CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, TWO AND HALF STORIES WITH A DETACHED SINGLE-STORY GARAGE.
ON A FULL PEONIA LOCATED IN OLD TOWN, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT STANDARDS THERE.
IT IS AN INTERIOR LOT AND PROPOSED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 2,114 SQUARE FEET WITH THE DETACHED GARAGE OF 326 SQUARE FEET BUILT CONSISTENT WITH THE OLD TOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, MEETING ALL APPROPRIATE SURFACE RATIO REQUIREMENTS, LOCK COVERAGE, AND SETBACKS.
ALL OF THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO INDICATE THAT THIS IS READY FOR FINAL APPROVAL, AND I WOULD OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD'S REVIEW.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WHETHER A QUESTION FOR YOU OR FOR THE PROPONENT, BUT THAT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, KELLY, IS NOT MARKED ON THE DRAWINGS.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S ON THE LOWER PORTION, DID THE STAFF CHECK THAT?
>> IT'S NOT WITHIN A CORNER, IT'S AN INTERIOR LOT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A FULL PEONIA SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR, IF NOT, WE'LL ASK MS. PITTMAN TO COME UP, IDENTIFY HERSELF FOR THE RECORD, AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
>> ANN PITMAN FROM COTNER ARCHITECTS, 15 NORTH, 18TH STREET.
THIS WAS BASICALLY A REUSE OF ONE A FEW BLOCKS AWAY THAT WAS BUILT BY ARTISTISAN HOMES, AND THE OWNERS WANTED TO FIT IT ON THIS LOT.
WE HAD TO SQUEEZE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS LOTS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, AND WE MADE A FEW CHANGES TO THE ROOF LINES AND A FEW DETAILS WITH THE SHUTTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY TO DISTINGUISH IT.
>> I THINK THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD,
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ANN, WAS I DIDN'T SEE SOME OF THOSE SUPPORTING DETAILS.WHAT I SEE, THE SOURCE [OVERLAPPING] LOOKS GREAT.
>> WELL, I DON'T SEE A FOUNDATION PLAN THAT TELLS ME HOW THAT PORCH IS GOING TO BE BUILT SO IT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY HAVE A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER DOING THAT SEPARATELY, THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THESE, BUT THE FRONT PORCH, IT'S ON A CRAWL SPACE.
>> BECAUSE, TO ME, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DRAW IT TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE WHAT YOUR IMAGE LOOKS LIKE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IS GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY DESIGN IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT PICTURE BEHIND YOU, AND THAT WE DON'T JUST END UP WITH A SLAB IN THE FRONT INSTEAD OF A NICELY ARTICULATED FRONT PORCH.
>> I THINK THE OWNERS HAVE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY WANT TO USE DECKING OVER CRAWL SPACE, AND I'LL CHECK THAT.
>> YOU WOULDN'T BE UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE MADE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL?
>> IN THE FINAL FINAL THAT THE DIRECTOR HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW.
>> THAT SAME COMMENT FOR ME APPLIES TO SOME OF THE OTHER FEATURES, LIKE WE HAVE THE SIDING, IT'S CALLED A SMOOTH HARDIE LAP, BUT WHAT'S THE EXPOSURE ON IT? IS IT FIVE INCH, SIX INCH, SEVEN INCH.
>> THE CORNER BOARDS, YOU'VE CALLED OUT MATERIAL, BUT WE DON'T IS IT BY SIX, BY FOUR? WHAT IS IT ON THERE? THAT JUST APPLIES ACROSS THE BOARD ON BUILDING.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING PART OF THE APPROVAL THAT THOSE BE SUPPLIED AND STAFF BE ABLE TO REVIEW THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE PORCH THAT WE APPROVED BECAUSE HERE'S THE BACKUP DETAILING THAT SHOWS THAT.
THE GUY IN THE FIELD IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE DECIDING WHAT THE WINDOW TRIM CONFIGURATION IS BECAUSE ANN'S DEFINED IT, AND IT'S THERE ON A DRAWING.
>> WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CALL OUT SOME OF THOSE DETAILS NOW AND JUST IDENTIFY THEM AS PART OF THE MOTION OR AM I PUSHING THAT PROCESS A LITTLE TOO FAR? DIRECTOR, WE'D BE COMFORTABLE IF YOU ACTUALLY WANTED TO CALL OUT HORN BOARD, LAP EXPOSURE CLEARLY DECKING OVER WHAT APPEARS ON THE PORCH. WHAT WAS [INAUDIBLE]?
>> WELL, YOU'VE TURNED IN PROBABLY A DOZEN PROJECTS, YOU'VE HAD THAT BACKUP MATERIAL, AND I JUST WANT TO SEE THE SAME BACKUP MATERIAL YOU USUALLY TURN IN.
>> I KNOW THIS ONE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
>> A BUILDER ALSO [OVERLAPPING].
>> COULD WE MAKE A CONDITION FOR STAFF TO SEE THE TYPICAL WALL SECTION? THAT WOULD DEFINE A LOT OF THOSE ELEMENTS.
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, DIRECTOR?
>> JUST SUBMIT THOSE WHEN I HAVE THEM?
>> IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL CIRCULATE IT TO AN INDIVIDUAL ON THE BOARD.
>> ANYTHING ELSE, MEMBERS FOR ANN?
>> THAT WILL INCLUDE THE FOUNDATION DETAILS AND THE PORCH DETAILS AS WELL?
>> ALL THAT'LL BE INCLUDED, MA'AM.
>> IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2024-0011, THIS IS 1111 WHITE STREET?
>> BOARD MEMBERS, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANNE AND I TALKED ABOUT THE TREE PLANTING.
MOSTLY, THIS IS NOT YOUR BEST TREE LOT, BUT THERE IS ONE SUBSTANTIAL OAK ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, I WAS UP THERE TODAY, IN THE FRONT.
IT SHOWS ON THE DRAWING AS JUST BEING PRESERVED, AND ANNE ASSURES IT WILL BE PRESERVED.
IT PROVIDES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SHAPE FOR THAT BLOCK.
ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, IT CAN BE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT.
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO IT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS.
>> I'LL LET JIM DO IT AGAIN AND THEN TRY TO GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO THE OTHER TWO.
>> I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT TREE AND MAYBE INCLUDE THAT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A 19-INCH IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
>> IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.
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>> WE'RE TAKING A BREAK RIGHT NOW AND IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.
>> JUST SO YOU KNOW, OUR MACHINES ARE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT SLOW, SO IT'S NOT JUST THAT I'M SLOW.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2024-0011 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE 19-INCH OAK IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE PROPERTY BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT SUPPORTING DETAILS BE SUPPLIED TO STAFF THAT BACKS UP THE IMAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD FOR THE HOUSE.
I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE HDC 2024-0011 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> HEARING NONE. MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[5.2 HDC 2024-0014 - MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, AGENT FOR FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, 515 CENTRE STREET ]
CASE 2024-0014 MIRANDA FOR FIRST PRESBYTERIAN, THIS IS 515 CENTER STREET.I THINK THIS IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS [INAUDIBLE] CENTER.
>> WE'VE SEEN THIS COMMONLY [OVERLAPPING] FOR THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. DIRECTOR, PLEASE?
>> YES. AS INDICATED, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL.
THEY ARE SEEKING FINAL APPROVAL OF A PROJECT TO REHABILITATE A MID-CENTURY STRUCTURE THAT'S NONCONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY SEEN SEVERAL PRIOR REQUESTS FOR REHABILITATION OF THIS STRUCTURE WITH SOME THAT WERE MUCH MORE ELABORATE IN NATURE.
THE CURRENT ARCHITECT IS JOSE MIRANDA, NOT RIGHTS ARCHITECT, AS I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT'S POINTED OUT FOR UPDATING IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE EXTENT OF THE RENOVATIONS HAVE BEEN REDUCED AS ILLUSTRATED ON THE SCREEN.
ALTHOUGH THERE'S QUITE A FEW CHANGES THAT THEY'RE SEEKING TO MAKE, IT'S NOT AS EXTENSIVE AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED.
SO THEY'RE GENERALLY UPDATING THE FACADE, WINDOWS, THE ROOF, SIGNAGE, AND THE LANDSCAPING, JUST THAT IT'S MOST GENERAL FORM.
THEY ARE SEEKING TO MODIFY THE FACADE WITH A CODING.
I KNOW THAT THE BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY STRUGGLED WITH THE BRICK CHANGE THERE, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THE ARCHITECT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO THE NATURE OF THAT CODING.
I KNOW IT'S ARTICULATED WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] REPORT IN A LITTLE BIT GREATER DETAIL, BUT TO SPEAK TO THAT, AND I KNOW THAT MAY BE THE PRIMARY POINT OF CONCERN THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO TALK THROUGH TOGETHER.
OTHERWISE, CONSIDERING THAT THE STRUCTURE IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT, THE RENOVATIONS REQUESTED ARE CONSISTENT FOR THE TIME PERIOD UNDER WHICH IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED, ESTIMATED ABOUT 1957 TIME FRAME.
STAFF DOES ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF THE DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? WE'LL ASK MR. MIRANDA TO COME UP.
>> I HAVE ALL THE APPLICATION MATERIALS AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT ME TO PULL FROM ANYTHING WHILE HE SPEAK TO THAT.
>> YOU SAID THAT THERE WERE CHANGES, BUT THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE SCOPE THAT THEY WANT TO BUILD OUT.
>> THEY REDUCED THE SCOPE FROM WHAT THEY PRESENTED BEFORE.
>> ANYTHING TO ADD? ANY QUESTIONS?
>> WELL, JOSE MIRANDA OF MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, 309 1/2 CENTER STREET.
WE ARE THE NEW ARCHITECTS IN TOWN TO HELP GET THIS THING OVER THE FINISH LINE.
WE ARE TRYING TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY, NONCONTRIBUTING.
WE ARE REPLACING THE STOREFRONT.
IT IS TAKING A LOT OF ABUSE ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE-PANE GLASS STOREFRONT, SO WE'RE DOING A NEW STOREFRONT.
WE'RE DOING A NEW ENTRY DOOR BECAUSE THE EXISTING ENTRY DOOR DOES NOT MEET ANY CURRENT ADA COMPLIANCE.
WE'RE DOING A SINGLE DOOR, AGAIN, PAYING HOMAGE TO THAT MID-CENTURY MODERN STYLE.
WE ARE CHANGING THE COLOR SCHEME.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A PERMEABLE COATING ON THE BRICK ITSELF.
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WE'VE USED THIS PRODUCT ON OTHER PROJECTS.IT LETS THE BRICK BREATHE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT HELPS YOU CHANGE THE COLOR.
INSTEAD OF THE RED COLOR YOU SEE THERE, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH AN OFF WHITE COLOR.
WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THIS BUILDING BACK INTO THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FAMILY OF BUILDINGS.
THEY HAVE A WHITE AND GREEN COLOR SCHEME.
WE'VE USED THAT AS A POINT OF DEPARTURE, AND WE SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY COLOR SCHEME TO THAT EFFECT.
THOSE AREN'T FINAL COLORS YET, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING IS WE WANT THE STOREFRONT TO READ AS A DARKER COLOR, THE BUILDING TO READ AS A LIGHTER COLOR.
WE'RE DOING NEW SIGNAGE, NEW DOOR.
WE'RE REPLACING DETERIORATED WINDOWS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.
WE'RE RESTORING SOME OF THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WHAT USED TO BE THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE ENTRY ON THE SIDE, WHICH FACES EAST.
THERE IS AN OLD DOOR OPENING THAT WE'RE CLOSING OFF ON THAT SIDE.
IT USED TO BE A SERVICE ENTRANCE BACK WHEN IT WAS A DRUG STORE, IT'S NO LONGER USED.
IT'S ALREADY CLOSED OFF ON THE INSIDE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT ROTTING DOOR AND INFILL WITH BRICK AS WELL.
THAT EAST SIDE IS WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS POTENTIAL MURAL PROGRAM THAT IS BEING BANDIED ABOUT, THAT'S A PRIME CANDIDATE LOCATION.
THE CHURCH IS GOING TO REACH OUT TO THAT GROUP TO SEE IF THEY CAN BE ADDED TO THAT LIST, PROVIDED THE SUBJECT MATTER TO THEIR LIKING.
BUT WE'RE HERE TO TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THIS PLACE RENOVATED, IT'S LONG OVERDUE.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FIRST QUESTION, IS WHAT'S THE CONCEPTUAL MIRROR ALL YOUR ANSWER TO THAT? [LAUGHTER] THE ANCHOR EMBLEM ON THE FRONT, WAS THERE ANY BACKUP MATERIAL?
>> NO. WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT FOR A SIGNED PERMIT SEPARATE FROM THAT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATION.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SOMETHING THAT STANDS OFF THE BRICK SO WE CAN GET A SHADOW LINE ON IT.
>> YOU THINK IT MAYBE TO CUT OUT ALUMINUM?
>> YES, EXACTLY RIGHT, ON STUDS THAT WILL BRING IT BACK OFF TO CREATE A SHADOW LINE.
WE ALSO NEED LIGHTING THAT HAS TO BE PROJECTED FROM THE FACADE.
THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MORE TEXT, SO THAT'S WHY WE JUST CREATED A BOX OUT.
WE'VE GOT SIGNAGE ON THE BRICK ON THAT LEFT FRONT FACE, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE HANGING SIGN, WHICH IS ALREADY IN PLACE RIGHT OVER THE DOOR.
THAT'S THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE CAN DO SIGNAGE-WISE.
>> THE PAINT ON THE BRICK IS BREATHABLE.
AS FAR AS PERMANENCE ON IT, IF IN THE FUTURE, IT WAS DECIDED TO REMOVE THE PAINT, DOES IT NOT DAMAGE THE BRICK?
>> YES. IT DOES NOT DAMAGE THE BRICK.
THE BRAND IS ROMABIO, IT'S AN ITALIAN PRODUCT.
IT IS A BREATHABLE PRODUCT USED ON NOT ONLY NEW CONSTRUCTION BUT HISTORIC BUILDINGS AS WELL.
IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE THE BRICK IS ACTUALLY A STRUCTURAL BRICK, IT'S NOT JUST A VENEER, IT'S A DOUBLE WITH CAVITY WALL.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS BREATHABLE BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THE DEATH KNELL OF THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS WHEN YOU PUT A TRADITIONAL ELASTOMERIC PAINT ON IT, IT'S LIKE WRAPPING A BUILDING IN SARAN WRAP, AND IT DIES A SLOW DEATH.
IN THIS CASE, WE'RE LETTING IT BREATHE.
>> YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF BRICK, RIGHT?
>> YES. THERE'S A VERY TEXTURED BRICK ON THAT FRONT, AND THEN AS IT TURNS THE CORNER, IT'S THIS WHAT THEY CALL THE JUMBO BRICK, WHICH IS THESE HUGE PROPORTIONS.
WE'RE TRYING TO, AGAIN, TIE THEM TOGETHER AND CHANGE THE COLOR SCHEME.
>> OTHER QUESTION FOR MR. MIRANDA?
>> I THINK THAT RENDERING ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, JOSE.
THE LIGHT FIXTURE, YOU TALK ABOUT LIGHTING FOR THE SIGN.
THERE'S SOME CURRENTLY EXPOSED CONDUIT FOR THE LIGHT FIXTURE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PART OF THE [OVERLAPPING] SOFFIT RENOVATION.
>> YES. BECAUSE WE'RE REDOING THE ENTIRE SOFFIT TO GET RID OF THAT SURFACE MOUNTED LIGHTING.
WE'RE GOING TO DO RECESS LIGHTS UNDERNEATH THE SOFFIT.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT MID-CENTURY MODERN KIND OF AESTHETIC, BUT THEN THE SIGN LIGHT WILL BE ITS OWN PROTRUDING PROJECTING LIGHT ON THAT FRONT FACADE.
>> LIKE A GOOSE NECK OR SOMETHING.
>> ON THE STORE FRONT, FROM THE OUTSIDE, YOU WILL SEE THE LOUVERS BECAUSE THE GLASS WILL BE CLEAR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. IT IS GOING TO BE A SLIGHT TINT TO THE GLASS.
WE CAN'T REALLY DO 100% CLEAR, BUT YES, INSIDE, WE'RE DOING AN OPERABLE VERTICAL LOUVER SYSTEM.
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WE'VE KEPT THE LOWER PART OF OF THE STORE FRONT INFILL AS AN INFILL PANEL OR A FROSTING OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE A COUNTER AREA, SEATING AREA.THE PROBLEM THEY'RE HAVING NOW, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, IS PEOPLE THINK THIS IS A STORE, AND THEY WALK RIGHT IN, AND THEY'RE HAVING YOUTH GROUP, AND IT'S LIKE, HANG ON A SECOND, GUYS.
THEY'RE NOT SELLING ANCHORS HERE.
[LAUGHTER] SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY, AND WE'RE DOING THAT BY CHANGING THAT STOREFRONT.
INSTEAD OF THE WAY IT IS NOW, ONE BIG SHEET OF GLASS, AND IT'S INTENDED, OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS A DRUG STORE, BUT NOW THE USE HAS CHANGED, SO GIVING IT A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY AND SUN PROTECTION FROM THE INSIDE IS PARAMOUNT.
>> THE OPAQUE PANEL WILL BE A GLASS PANEL OR A PANEL OF SOME MATERIAL.
>> NOT PAINTED OR ANYTHING, IT'S JUST INTEGRAL TO THE MATERIAL.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S INTEGRAL TO THE MATERIAL, AND WE WANT TO WORK ON A COLOR PALETTE THAT IS COMPLEMENTARY TO WHATEVER WE SELECT FOR THE FRONT.
>> WOULD THAT BE THE COLOR PALETTE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO. LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY CONCEPTUAL.
WE ARE GOING TO DO A STAINED FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A FIBER GLASS DOOR IN THAT MID-CENTURY MODERN.
THE STORE FRONT FRAMING WILL BE A DARK COLOR.
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE THAT GREEN, OR WE'RE GOING TO GO BRONZE, BUT THE COLOR UNDERNEATH WILL BE COMPLEMENTARY TO WHATEVER THAT BASE FRAME COLOR IS.
>> THIS PROJECT IS REALLY A SENSITIVE RENOVATION, AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN.
WE'RE REALLY CHANGING THE WHOLE THING SIGNIFICANTLY.
I LIKED THAT THOSE LITTLE SKINNY COLUMNS AT THE FRONT CORNER ARE BEING KEPT BECAUSE TO ME, THAT HELPS DRIVE THE CHARACTER [OVERLAPPING] CARRY A PIECE.
>> THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS TO SEE THAT THOSE ARE STILL THERE.
>> YES. WE'RE NOT CUTTING OUT ANY OF THE BRICK TO MAKE WINDOWS OR SIGNAGE OR ANY OF THAT, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE PROJECT SO IT BECOMES MORE AFFORDABLE AND USABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN DESPERATE NEED OF RENOVATION.
>> THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BRICK, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THE DESIGN AND NOT ACTUALLY PUTTING THE PERMEABLE COATING ON THE BRICK AND KEEPING IT, OR IS THERE AN ISSUE ON MOISTURE ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> WELL, NO. THERE IS SOME CRACKING ON SOME OF THE JOINTS.
THERE ARE SOME PENETRATIONS AS THIS THING HAS BEEN MODIFIED OVER TIME, SO WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO ADDRESS THOSE.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART FOR THE CHURCH WAS TO BRING IT INTO THE CHURCH FAMILY IN TERMS OF THE CAMPUS COLOR SCHEME.
SINCE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS PERMEABLE COATING, THAT'S HOW WE PURSUED.
I DON'T THINK WE EVER CONSIDERED KEEPING THAT COLOR.
IT'S NOT, IN MY OPINION, AN ATTRACTIVE COLOR FOR BRICK.
IN FACT, COULD WE MATCH IT? HELL, NO. THAT STUFF ISN'T AVAILABLE.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOW DO WE RESPECT THE MID-CENTURY MODERN BUT BRING IT UP TO 2024?
>> THE CRACKS OF THE MASONRY, WILL IT GET REPOINTED BEFORE THE COATINGS?
WE'RE HAVING TO REDO THE STEEL LINTELS ON THE NORTH WINDOWS BECAUSE THOSE HAVE ALREADY EXPANDED AND STARTED TO CRACK, WE'RE REPLACING THOSE.
THAT GETS REPOINTED AROUND THE WINDOW OPENING ITSELF.
WHEREVER THERE'S CRACKS, THEY'LL GET REPOINTED BEFORE WE PUT THE COATING OVER TOP, SO IT'S ALL WEATHER TIGHT.
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. MIRANDA? IF NOT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2024-0014, FIRST PRESBYTERIAN, 515 CENTER STREET.
SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
BOARD MEMBERS, HAVE WE RESOLVED ANY OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES?
>> DIRECTOR'S POINT HERE, PAINT BRICK HAS NEVER BEEN RECOMMENDED.
>> MIRANDA'S FOUND A WAY TO MANAGE THAT, BUT BRING THE COLOR SCHEME INTO, AS THEY CALL IT, THE FAMILY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT BELONGS TO THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE SAME BLOCK.
>> I TAKE THE ISSUE WITH THE NOTION THAT THIS BUILDING IS OLD BECAUSE IT'S YOUNGER THAN I AM.
[LAUGHTER] JOSE, I GOT TO SAY, YOU'RE STILL PRETTIER.
[LAUGHTER] NO SECOND FLOOR DECK FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY ON.
MY WIFE POINTED THIS OUT YESTERDAY, WHERE'S THE SAFETY HAZARD?
>> I THINK FOR ME THE FACTS OF PAINT COULD BE REMOVED TO RETURN IT
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BACK TO ITS CORRECT STATE IS IMPORTANT.THE THE TWO DOORS THAT GET MODIFIED IN THE BACK ARE REALLY, AS JOSE POINTED OUT, THAT THE USE FOR THEM IS DIFFERENT THESE DAYS AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY NECESSARY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING TO LOSE THAT DOOR DOWN THE SIDE.
>> IT'S NOT A HISTORICAL TIME FRAME, AT LEAST NOT YET.
>> FROM THE TECHNICAL ASPECT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT'S THERE, IT'S A GREAT IMPLEMENTATION.
THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING MAY NOT BE WHAT WE END UP SEEING BECAUSE IT COULD END UP WHITE LIKE YOUR CAMPUS, WHITE AND GREEN.
>> YEAH. THE INTENT IS NOT TO GO WITH PURE WHITE, WHICH IS PRETTY NEAT, BUT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE MUTED.
WE WANT TO STUDY THAT FURTHER.
AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE COLOR PALETTE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR NON CONTRIBUTED BUILDING, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT LATITUDE.
DON'T GET MARRIED TO THESE CHEAP COLORS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT I THINK I LOOK AT IT THE OTHER WAY.
I WANT TO GET MARRIED TO THAT CONCEPT THAT IT'S NOT THE WHITE AND THE GREEN NECESSARILY, BUT YOU'RE EXPLORING SOME BASE COLORS LIKE THAT SANDBAR THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.
>> YEAH, I I THINK WHAT THE CHURCH TOLD ME, THE ONLY REASON THEY WENT GREEN WAS BECAUSE THEY SELECTED A PRE-FINISHED FACIA, AND THAT WAS THE GREEN COLOR.
IT WAS A CONSCIOUS CHOICE AT THE TIME, BUT NOW THAT IT'S BECOME THE PALETTE IT'S LIKE NOW'S A CHANCE TO MODIFY THAT, MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CONTEMPORARY SO IT'S NOT THAT FOREST GREEN COLOR.
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH THE PURE WHITE FOREST GREEN, BUT SOME WHITE OR OFF WHITE WITH SOME MUTED VERSION OF A GREEN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PLAY AROUND WITH.
>> IT WILL CLEARLY BE DEFINED AS PART OF THE CAMPUS, BUT NONE IS REPLICATED.
I THINK THAT TO ME [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0014 WITHOUT CONDITION, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS PART OF THE LAWS RECORD.
THE HDC CASE 2024-0014 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> GOT THAT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
>> STILL WANT THAT SECOND FOR [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT WAS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY.
>> THERE MIGHT BE A PLAQUE AVAILABLE.
>> THE NEIGHBORS LITERALLY CAME AND WERE CONCERNED THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE ON THEIR [INAUDIBLE].
>> MOVING ON. HDC CASE 2024-0015, CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH,
[5.3 HDC 2024-0015 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, WATERFRONT LOTS C + D ]
WATERFRONT LOTS C AND D. THIS IS TO CONSTRUCT RESTROOMS AND THE PAVILION AT THE WATERFRONT LOTS.TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE REALLY ONLY DEALING WITH THE RESTROOMS AND THE PAVILION AT THIS TIME.
IT'S NOT THE LANDSCAPING, THE HARDSCAPING, SIDEWALKS, TREES, IT'S JUST THESE TWO DESIGN ELEMENTS.
DIRECTOR, WE'RE GOING TO KICK IT TO MS. LISA.
>> CAN I JUST BRIEFLY [OVERLAPPING] AND THAT WAY WE HAVE KEPT A CONSISTENT CASE.
EXACTLY. AS INDICATED, THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
THERE ARE SEVERAL TALKING POINTS THAT I KNOW THAT MS. FINKELSTEIN WILL GET THROUGH IN DISCUSSION WITH YOU, TIED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF RESTROOMS AND THE PAVILION ONLY, AT THE WATERFRONT PARK AREA.
TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S CRA, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE CITY'S PUBLIC WATERFRONT PARK DESIGN AREA.
AN AREA THAT UNDER THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, HAS SEVERAL KEY POINTS, AS ILLUSTRATED HERE, BUT CONSERVING PANORAMIC VIEWS, GUARANTEEING PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE RIVER, SUPPORTING MARINA FUNCTIONS, DAILY PUBLIC USE, AS WELL AS SPECIAL EVENTS, AND RETAINING THE INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT LAND USE, ALTHOUGH THAT HAS BEEN SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT FOR A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY.
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THIS IS KNOWN AS LOTS C AND D OF THE WATERFRONT PARK AREA, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.MORE RECENTLY, SOME CHANGES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THE BOARD THAT HAVE MOVED FORWARD CONCEPTUALLY, HAVE INCLUDED THE NEW ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING THAT THE BOARD REVIEWED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, AND PRIOR TO THAT, SOME CHANGES TO THE PARKING AREA IN LATE 2023, THAT THE BOARD REVIEWED AND HAVE NOW STARTED TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE IT OVER TO MS. LISA FINKELSTEIN, WHO WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THIS.
I DO HAVE SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES OF THIS IF WE NEED TO REFERENCE BACK TO IT FOR ANY REASON, AS WELL AS THE APPLICATION MATERIALS.
GENERALLY THOUGH, FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, THERE ARE KEY POINTS THAT THIS BOARD DOES NEED TO WORK THROUGH, BUT THE DESIGN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, SUFFICIENT TO WORK CONCEPTUAL LEVEL APPROVAL.
THIS WILL NEED TO GO BEFORE THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR FULL SITE PLAN COMPLIANCE, CONSIDERATIONS, BEFORE IT CAN BE CONSTRUCTED.
>> MS. LISA, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> HI. LISA FINKELSTEIN, 492 STARBOARD LANDING, AND HERE IS THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR.
TONIGHT, AS MS. GIBSON EXPLAINED, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT JUST TWO ELEMENTS OF THE WATERFRONT PARK PLAN, AND THESE ARE THE VERTICAL ELEMENTS, WITH THE GOAL OF CONCEPTUAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PAVILION DESIGN AND FOR THE RESTROOM EXTERIOR.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON AT THIS TIME SO WE'D LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THE PROGRESS.
JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, THE RESTROOM LOCATION, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING AREA AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SKETCH.
YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE TWO PREFAB CONCRETE BUILDINGS THAT MAKE UP THE RESTROOMS. THAT INCLUDES FOUR ADA ACCESSIBLE BATHROOMS. THE BUILDINGS FACE ONE ANOTHER SO THAT THE DOORS OPEN INTO THAT CENTER WALKWAY.
THEN THERE IS A PERGOLA THAT WILL BE BUILT OVER THAT CENTER WALKWAY, AND THERE IS LANDSCAPING THAT WILL SURROUND THE BUILDINGS TO OFFER BOTH SHADE AND AESTHETICS.
BECAUSE AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, THIS PLAN, THE OVERALL WATERFRONT PLAN IS PRIMARILY A LANDSCAPE DESIGN PLAN.
THIS IS A SKETCH SHOWING THAT IF YOU WERE COMING FROM THE PARK, GOING TO THE RESTROOMS, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.
YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDINGS ON EITHER SIDE AND THEN THE PERGOLA IN THE CENTER.
THERE IS AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE WALKWAY, AND THE ROOF ON THE PERGOLA WILL MIRROR THE PITCH OF THE ROOF ON THE RESTROOMS. I SHOULD SAY, I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL.
IT'S PIECES OF THE PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND GO THROUGH IT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THAT.
BECAUSE THIS IS A PREFAB CONCRETE BUILDING, THE ENTIRE BUILDING IS CONCRETE, SO THE ROOF AND THE SIDES, ALL CONCRETE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AT SIDING OPTIONS, AND THAT WOULD BE A LAP SIDING, WHICH IS REALLY, THIS IS A TEXTURE, NOT ACTUAL SIDING, AND THAT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THEN ALSO THERE IS BRICK AVAILABLE.
HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT REALLY RECOMMENDING THE FULL BRICK.
THERE'S AN OPTION FOR A PARTIAL BRICK WITH SIDING ON THE TOP, THAT'S THE LITTLE PHOTO IN THE CENTER.
THEN I JUST INCLUDED THE LAYOUT OF WHAT THE INTERIOR OF THE RESTROOM LOOKS LIKE JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES.
BUT IT IS ALL CONCRETE MOLDED.
THE ROOF WILL BE MIRROR METAL ROOF, SO IT WILL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF A METAL ROOF.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROPOSED COLOR PALETTE, SOMEWHERE IN THE MEDIUM GRAY.
FOR THE RESTROOM WALLS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXTERIOR WALLS, WOULD BE A MEDIUM GRAY, AND THEN THE ROOF WOULD BE THE GREEN COLOR.
THIS MIRRORS SOME OF THE OTHER ROOFS ALONG THE WATERFRONT, ON SOME OF THE OTHER WAREHOUSES ON THE NORTH END.
IT ALSO IS A LITTLE BIT OF A NOD TO THE COLORS CHOSEN FOR THE WELCOME DEPOT AND THE COMFORT STATION.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS AGAIN TOO, AFTER WE GO THROUGH THE PAVILION.
THE PAVILION, THE DECKING IS LARGER THAN THE PAVILION ITSELF.
THE DECKING IS ROUGHLY 44 BY 36.
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IT'S RAISED OFF THE GROUND ABOUT 21 INCHES, SO THREE CONCRETE STAIRS WITH SEVEN INCH RISERS, WILL TAKE YOU UP TO IT.THEN THE DECKING WOULD BE A DOUGLAS FIR MATERIAL, AND THERE WOULD BE WOOD AND WIRE RAILINGS, AND THEN THERE'S AN ADA RAMP AS WELL.
THE ADA RAMP IS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT WOULD BE 21 FEET LONG, FIVE FEET WIDE.
IT'S NOT ONLY ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A STROLLER OR A WHEELCHAIR, BUT ALSO ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS OR WHATEVER OTHER EQUIPMENT MIGHT NEED TO BE TAKEN UP ONTO THE PAVILION FOR A PERFORMANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S CALLING FOR PLANTERS, ONE AT EITHER CORNER ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE FRONT OF THE PAVILION.
WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON THE LAWN, THAT'S THE SIDE YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT.
ONE OF THE REAL QUESTIONS WE HAVE FOR YOU THAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET FEEDBACK ON IS WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO OPTIONS FOR THE GABLES ON THE PAVILION, AND ALSO TWO OPTIONS FOR THE PITCH OF THE ROOF.
HERE WE'RE LOOKING TO COMBINE THE ARCHITECTURE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE WORKING WATERFRONT, INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT LOOK, WHICH COMES DIRECTLY FROM OUR CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS MENTIONED IN THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES.
THIS CLOSED GABLE HAS THE LAP SIDING ELEMENT ON THE TOP PICTURE, THAT WOULD BE THE FRONT, AND IT HAS LAP SIDING.
IT ALSO HAS A CIRCLE THAT IS OPEN.
IT ALSO IS REMINISCENT OF A SUNSET.
BUT HAVING THE CLOSED GABLES, IT'S FELT THAT IT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOU SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTION FROM THE ELEMENTS IF YOU WERE USING THE PAVILION, DURING A STORM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE BOTTOM PICTURE IS THE SIDE VIEW.
AGAIN, THE LAP SIDING WITH THAT SMALL TRIANGLE AT THE VERY PEAK BEING OPEN, AGAIN FOR AIR FLOW.
WE WOULD LOOK TO COORDINATE THE COLORS ON THIS WITH THE RESTROOMS, SPECIFICALLY THE ROOF, IT WOULD BE A METAL ROOF.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO THE COLORS WHEN WE GET DONE WITH THIS.
AND THEN THE SECOND OPTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AN OPEN GABLE OPTION.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS A LOWER PITCHED ROOF.
IT HAS A MORE OPEN VIEW, SO THE ROUNDED ARCH ON THE TOP IS WHAT WOULD FACE THE FRONT AND THE BACK, AND THEN THE TRIANGULAR ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS THE SIDE VIEW.
AGAIN, THE OPEN GABLES, ESPECIALLY THE TOP VERSION, IS SOMEWHAT REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S ON THE TRAIN DEPOT NOW.
THEN AGAIN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE COLORS.
HERE, WHERE WE HAVE THE MEDIUM GRAY, WE WOULD USE THAT ON THE PAVILION COLUMNS, TO THE RAILINGS AND THE LAP SIDING ON THE CLOSED GABLE OPTION.
THE LIGHT GRAY WOULD BE ON THE FASCIA, THE CROSS BEAMS, AND THE TRIM, AND THEN THE LIGHT BLUE OR A LIGHT BLUE WOULD BE THE PAVILION CEILING UNDERNEATH, THOUGHT TO HELP WITH MOSQUITOES, THAT TYPE OF CONTROL.
THEN AGAIN, THE GREEN ROOF MIRRORING WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE RESTROOM.
JUST TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR REALLY THE CONCEPTUAL RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RESTROOM, WHAT ELEMENT WOULD THE SIDING BE, THOUGHTS ON ROOF COLOR, AND THEN ON THE PAVILION THE ROOF PITCH, AND THE OPEN OR CLOSED GABLES ARE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HE HAS WORKED EXTENSIVELY ON THIS DESIGN AND THE WATERFRONT DESIGN SO HE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS.
JEREMIAH IS ALSO IN HERE AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE CITY PERSPECTIVE, SO [OVERLAPPING].
>> I UNDERSTAND OUR ARCHITECT IS HERE.
>> OUR ARCHITECT IS HERE AS WELL, TAKING NOTES, SO YES.
>> THANK YOU, LISA. WHY WAS THE DECISION TO HAVE A PRECAST CONCRETE STRUCTURE VERSUS A MORE CUSTOM MADE STRUCTURE ON THE PAVILION?
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>> WELL, WE WANTED IT TO BE RELATIVELY INDESTRUCTIBLE.
THE INTERIOR, YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH STAND AND JUMP ON THE SINK AND NOTHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT, THE WAY THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED.
THIS WAS JUST A PREFERRED WAY TO ACHIEVE THAT DURABILITY.
>> I THINK THE CXT BUILDING, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD OPTION THERE.
IT IS BASICALLY A CONCRETE BUNKER.
IT IS. THE CONSTRUCTION HAPPENS FAST BECAUSE THEY JUST COME AND ESSENTIALLY DROP IN PLACE AND CONNECT UTILITIES.
I THINK THAT THAT IS VERY APPROPRIATE.
MY ONLY CONCERN, NOT EVEN CONCERN, THE SIDING TEXTURE, IT VERY MUCH LOOKS LIKE PAINTED CONCRETE SO I THINK THAT [NOISE] A BRICK OR A STONE OPTION A LITTLE BIT ODD BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THE SIDING ON CXT BUILDINGS THAT WORKS WELL.
THE LAB SIDING, THAT WOULD BE MY CHOICE IN THAT OPTION.
MY SECOND COMMENT IS IN ONE OF THE DRAWINGS, THERE ARE DRINKING PATTERNS.
IS THAT PART OF THE DESIGN ON THE INSIDE? I KNOW THAT'S THE STANDARD CXT DRAWINGS.
IT'S JUST MORE OF A QUESTION [OVERLAPPING].
>> I KNOW THAT THAT EXISTS AS WELL, AND I'M NOT SURE IF [OVERLAPPING]. PRETTY MUCH.
>> WHEN I WAS A COMMISSIONER, WE PUT ONE OF THOSE CONCRETE BATHROOMS AT SLIDERS OR SEASIDE PARK, I REGRET IT.
>> I JUST THINK IT'S UGLY AS CAN BE.
I MEAN, THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL THING, AND I HELPED TO PROVE THAT.
THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STATEMENT FOR THIS DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK WE'RE JUST LOOKING LIKE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CHEAPEN IT OUT, AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GOING THIS ROUTE.
>> IF YOU CUSTOMIZE EXTERIOR, WHICH WE CAN, WOULD THAT GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO BE?
>> WELL, I MEAN, I LOOK AT NOT THE FIRST GAZEBO OR PAVILION THAT YOU SHOWED BUT THE SECOND ONE, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT IN THE FORM OF A BATHROOM WHERE YOU CAN STILL HAVE AN OPEN AIR TYPE STRUCTURE WITH THE BATHROOM.
I MEAN, MAKE THIS A DESIGN ELEMENT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE PUTTING A CONCRETE BUNKER IN, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SOMEWHAT OF A DESIGN ON TOP OF IT, AND I DON'T THINK IT FITS, AND I THINK THE CITY IS CHEAPENING OUT. THAT'S MY FEELING.
>> WELL, IT TRULY IS NOT VERY PRETTY.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK THE PAVILION YES.
BUT THE DESIGN OF THAT BUILDING ON THE LEFT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YES WITH LAP SIDING, WHICH I WOULDN'T GO WITH BRICK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT LAP SIDING MAKES SENSE TO ME.
IT'S A CRA AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE WATERFRONT INDUSTRIAL KIND OF A LOOK TO IT.
NOW, THAT LOOK IS NOT, I MEAN, A METAL ROOF WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE THAT'S TRUE.
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH SHIM THAT I THINK THAT GIVEN THE SPOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAKING THIS AS APPEALING TO THE EYE AS WE CAN IS IMPORTANT.
THAT BUILDING REALLY, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM REALLY BAD, THEN THAT BUILDING IS FINE.
>> BUT IF YOU'RE THERE TO VISIT AND LOOK AS, WATCH THE SUNSET, IT'S KIND OF I MEAN, IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THEM.
>> I THINK OTHER OPTIONS WOULD BE STICK BILL.
[OVERLAPPING] WHAT THE STAFF IS TRYING TO GET AT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BASICALLY INDESTRUCTIBLE AND QUICK TO DO.
>> I THINK THIS IS MORE TO BOARD DISCUSSIONS, BUT I THINK ARE THERE ARE HALFWAY POINTS BETWEEN THE PRECAST AND THE STICKBILL, IT CAN BE SOME MASONRY, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE JUST TIGHT BETTER.
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IT LOOKS SO ARTICULATED, IT LOOKS SO PROPER.BUT THEN YOU HAVE THESE LIKE, ALMOST MILITARY BASE STRUCTURE GOING INTO THE PAVILION.
I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE.
I AGREE WITH TIM THAT MAYBE A HALFWAY SOLUTION WHERE YOU INTEGRATE BOTH, IT CAN BE DURABLE.
MESS ONLY WALLS, MAYBE FINISHES INSIDE.
BUT I THINK THE PRECAST, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AS THE PORTICO TO THE PARK.
I KNOW IT'S A SECONDARY PATH TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S NOT THE ENTRANCE [LAUGHTER] CLEAR. YEAH.
>> BUT YOU CAN ENTER THE PARK THERE, SO YES.
>> I'M THINKING EGAN CREEK PARK, HOW THE BATHROOM AND THE PAVILIONS THERE, THEY'RE ONE FAMILY.
THAT'S THE FEELING THAT I WAS GETTING WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, I WISH IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE COHESIVE LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, ON THE EGAN SCREET, WHERE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A BATHROOM WITH A COVERT AREA, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE PAVILIONS, AND THEY FLOW VERY WELL.
>> IS THIS THE SAME BATHROOM AS THAT ONE?
>> BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT ACTUALLY THAT SAME BATHROOM.
BACK TO THE SIDING TO THAT PIECE OF IT, WHETHER IT'S CONCRETE OR NOT CONCRETE, IS THE SIDING APPROPRIATE, IS THAT?
>> IF MIGHT HOLD ON, HOLD THAT QUESTION FOR JUST ONE SECOND, I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. PRESTA FOR HIS COMMENTS.
>> YEAH I THINK MEMBER SUSA HAS A REALLY GOOD POINT.
I WANT TO JUST FOR BOARD, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE PAVILION, I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN GABLE.
[OVERLAPPING] ALL YOU AGREED WITH ME.
THE OPEN GABLE IS FAR, FAR MORE APPROPRIATE FOR DOWN THERE.
I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER FOR A SECOND APPROVING THE OTHER ONE.
IS JUST SO MUCH BETTER, AND THEN I WOULD KEEPING WITH THAT IDEA THAT THESE STRUCTURES SHOULD RELATE TO EACH OTHER AND LOOK LIKE THEY'RE PART OF THE SAME PROJECT.
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE FROM WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLDS.
WE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY NICE AND THAT WE COULD ALL BE PROUD OF BEING DOWN AT THE WATERFRONT, AND THEN SOMETHING THAT LITERALLY COULD BE ANYWHERE.
>> THEY DON'T TIE TOGETHER, THEY DON'T AND I HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE LAP SIGHTING BECAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE HAVE A PICTURE FROM FAR AWAY AND IT'S JUST ALL CONCRETE.
WHAT IS IT REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY WALK UP TO USE THE FACILITY? I CAN SEE THE BENEFITS OF HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S ESSENTIALLY BULLETPROOF, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK LIKE THAT THING LOOKS.
IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE TIED INTO THE WHOLE DESIGN.
I THINK I HEARD OTHER MEMBERS MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT THE SURFACE OF THE PAVILION, THE DECKING AND [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU REPLACED IT EVERY FIVE YEARS.
>> IT'S EPA, YEAH. I READ SOMEWHERE THAT IT WAS EPA.
>> ARE YOU DOING EPA? WELL, THAT'S 100-YEAR-OLD.
>> THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF THINGS BANDIED ABOUT.
REMEMBER, WE'RE CONCEPTUAL HERE TONIGHT.
THIS IS A FINAL FIVE. BUT TIM-
>> JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU TAKE THAT PAVILION THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO LIKE.
IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN A SMALLER VERSION WITH THE ARCHWAY FOR THE BATHROOMS ON THE WALK THROUGH AND OVER ON THIS SIDE IS THE MEN'S AND ON THIS SIDE IS THE WOMEN'S.
BUT YOU HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE WHERE YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THERE, AND THAT TIES TOGETHER THE PAVILION.
THAT LOOKS LIKE IT BELONGS THERE.
BUT TAKING THIS NICE PAVILION AND THEN PUTTING A CONCRETE CINDER BLOCK, PRE CAST INDESTRUCTIBLE THING OVER ON THE SIDE, DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
>> I KEPT GOING BACK TO THAT DESIGN OBJECTIVE TO CREATE AN ARCHITECTURALLY ICONIC PAVILION.
I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING THERE.
BUT THEN THE OTHER THING IS JUST IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT STATEMENT.
>> IT DOES ALSO BEG THE QUESTION FOUR POTTIES AT THE WATERFRONT.
IS THAT ENOUGH? THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS IF WE EVER DO HAVE AN EVENT AT THE PAVILION, YOU COULD HAVE-
>> YOU WOULD NEED TO GET PORTAL LETS.
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DID YOU HAVE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE? YOU HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I THOUGHT I CUT YOU OFF.
>> NO. WHAT I'M HEARING IS OPEN GABLES WAS THE PREFERENCE.
>> YES. I THINK YOU FOLLOW THE ARCHITECTURAL CUES OF THE PAVILION IN ORDER TO GET TO THE BATHROOM, BECAUSE IT IS JUST TOO IMPORTANT A SITE.
>> THEN WHAT ABOUT THE PITCH OF THE ROOF ON THE OPEN GABLE?
>> WHAT I DID IS I DROVE DOWNTOWN AND I LOOKED AT THE TRAIN STATION BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS PICKING UP SOME TIE IN THERE AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, IT REALLY IS APPROPRIATE.
IT'S TYING IN TO OTHER ELEMENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
A TALLER PITCH MIGHT BE NICE, BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED TO GO WITH A TALLER PITCH.
>> IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION, AND JUST BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE NOT ENTIRELY FAMILIAR WITH THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN FOR THE PARK.
IS THIS THE FINAL, DOES THIS NEED TO BE THE FINAL LOCATION OF THE BATHROOMS?
>> THAT'S WHAT'S HAVE BEEN APPROVED?
>> THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] APPROVED.
>> I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS.
IT'S THE PROXIMITY TO THE PARKING LOT, THE PROXIMITY TO THE PLAY AREA, AND THE PROXIMITY TO THE PAVILION.
>> ALSO, THE BOAT RAMP AND THE DOCKS.
>> PEOPLE PARKING THERE, BECAUSE OF THOSE OTHER THINGS-
>> AS IT IS NOW YOU'RE COMING OFF THE DOCK, YOU'VE GOT TO CROSS FRONT STREET RAILROAD TRACKS.
>> YEAH, DOWN BLOCK. I THINK THIS IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
IF I LET MISS LISA GO, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARTEL, DIRECTOR. I'M SORRY.
>> I HAD A QUESTION, AND IT'S MORE JUST FOR THE BOARD CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS, AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SWITCH BACK TO THIS SIDE JUST TO INCLUDE WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS.
THERE WAS A STRUCTURE THAT GOES BETWEEN THE TWO RESTROOM STRUCTURES, AND IT WAS PROPOSED TO BE [OVERLAPPING].
PERHAPS THAT COULD BE A POINT WHERE THE BOARD DISCUSSES MAKING A RELATIONSHIP WITH A STRUCTURE THAT DOES GO IN BETWEEN THE TWO THAT MIGHT THEN CONNECT IT TO THE PAVILLION.
>> I TRIED TO BUT THEY SAID, TAKE THAT AND MAKE.
>> IT'S ACTUALLY PAGE 7 ON THE RESTROOMS ATTACHMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THE AGENDA PACKET HERE.
SHOWING THE CONNECTOR WITH THAT PERGOLA.
IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THOSE TWO BUILDINGS COULD BE THOSE CONCRETE BUILDINGS WITH LAP SIDING AND HAVE THE ROOF AND THE PITCH LOOK MORE LIKE THE PAVILION RATHER THAN JUST A PERGOLA?
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE GUYS, WE CAN ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHAIRMAN MGLISS AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER, COULD YOU REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION?
>> OKAY. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW UGLY THOSE PRE POURED THINGS WERE.
MY QUESTION IS, CAN THEY BE MADE LESS UGLY BY USING LAP SIDING AND CHANGING THE ROOF TO LOOK MORE LIKE THE PERGOLA ROOF?
>> THEY ARE VERY MUCH FUNCTION OVER FORM.. YOU HAVE WHAT'S CALLED SKINS, WHICH ARE SOME OF THOSE DIFFERENT EXTERIORS THAT YOU LOOKED AT.
SOME DIFFERENT ROOFS LOOKS, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A CONCRETE PREFAB ALREADY ASSEMBLED BUILDING THAT GOES IN PLACE.
MEMBER POYNTER MENTIONED EGAN CREEK PARK, I THINK.
ANYWAY, LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE A PERGOLA SYSTEM THAT TIES INTO THAT RESTROOM SO YOU CAN BRING WOODEN ELEMENTS CLOSE TO IT TO COMPLEMENT IT.
BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A DIFFERENT STYLE ROOF, THAT IT COMES ALREADY [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN YOU GET IT WITHOUT THE ROAD? [LAUGHTER].
>> YOU CAN GET ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, IT WOULD COST FAR MORE [OVERLAPPING] WAY YOU SAY THE CHEAP OPTION, THESE AREN'T CHEAP.
THEY DO HAVE THAT MILITARY GRADE.
THESE BUILDINGS ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND NATIONAL PARKS, STATE PARKS,
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EVERYWHERE BECAUSE OF THERE'S NO FACILITY THAT RECEIVES GREATER ABUSE, A PUBLIC REST ROOM.THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BUILT TO PRISON GRADE ESSENTIALLY.
>> I THINK IF I MAY, I THINK THAT AS A SOLUTION IS A SENSIBLE SOLUTION FOR SOME USES.
WHEN YOU PUT IT NEXT TO THE CAT TO THE AVIUM, THAT'S WHEN THE DISCONNECT HAPPENS.
EACH OF THEM, THEY'RE GOOD SOLUTIONS, JUST THAT THEY DON'T SPEAK TO EACH OTHER IN MY VIEW.
>> ARLENE, I JUST CLARIFY OF YOUR COMMENTS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS THE CONCRETE STRUCTURE WITH CONCRETE RENDERED LAP SIGHTING.
BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WRAPPING IT WITH AN ACTUAL LAP SIGHTING, SO IT HAS THE TEXTURE YOU LOOK IN THE FEEL.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WE CAN DO.
>> WELL, LIPSTICK ON A PIG MAYBE BUT STILL [OVERLAPPING].
>> LET ME ASK YOU IF IT'S ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND THEN WE'LL GET MORE DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH THE CARDS CASE 2024-0015? THIS IS THE RESTROOMS AND PAVILIONS AT THE WATER.
COMMISSIONER, ROSS, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. YOU'RE SWORN, RIGHT?
>> IT'S ACROSS 210 NORTH 3RD STREET, TALKING FOR MYSELF, NOT REPRESENTING THE CITY COMMISSION, LET'S MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND EFFORT WENT INTO THINKING ABOUT THIS.
YOU ARE RIGHT, THIS IS NOT THE MOST AESTHETIC APPROACH.
THESE ARE THE SAME BUILDINGS THAT ARE USED DOWN AT THE OCEAN, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WITH RESTROOMS IS MAINTENANCE, AND MAINTAINING A STICK-BUILT BUILDING, AND YOU CAN TALK TO OUR OPERATIONS DIRECTOR, IS DIFFICULT.
THE IDEA HERE WAS, AS I THINK, HE PUT, FUNCTION OVER FORM, AND THE REASON THESE WERE CHOSEN.
THEY CANNOT BE WRAPPED WITH LAP SIDING, WE LOOKED AT THAT OPTION.
YOU CAN'T PUT A METAL ROOF ON IT.
YOU CAN, BUT IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO DO THAT, AND THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE PUNCTURING THE ROOF TO GO IN.
THE ROOF, IT'S DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE METAL ROOF.
ACTUALLY, THERE'S A WEBSITE WHERE YOU GO ON, AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT ALL THESE FINISHINGS AND WHATNOT.
THE IDEA WAS TO HAVE THE TWO BUILDINGS THERE FACING EACH OTHER WITH THE PERGOLA AND DEBRIS TYING THEM TOGETHER, AND THEN HAVE A LAP SIDING TO BRING THAT IN WITH THE REST OF THE WATERFRONT.
THEN TO GET RID OF THE UGLY FACTORS, TO SURROUND IT WITH LANDSCAPING, AND SO ON, AND SO FORTH.
SURE, THE OPTION WAS LOOKED AT TO PUT IN STICK-BUILT BUILDINGS.
THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE AND IT'S HARD TO GET THEM TO COMPLY WITH THE SAME INTEGRITY OF TAKING CARE OF THEM.
I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S NOT AESTHETICALLY THE BEST THING, BUT FOR TAKING CARE OF PARKS AND MAINTENANCE, THESE THINGS ARE USED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY'RE DONE.
IT'S BECAUSE OF HOW PEOPLE WANT TO CLEAN BATHROOM, AND IT'S HARD TO MAINTAIN THOSE OTHER BATHROOMS. GRAFFITI, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO CLEAN THEM.
PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE IN BATHROOMS. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT WITH THIS.
YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE STICK OPTION.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO FUND THIS.
I THINK THE COST BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WAS ABOUT $110,000 EACH.
STICK-BUILT BATHROOMS ARE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THAT'S THE DILEMMA, SO TRYING TO COME UP WITH THAT THING.
IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE WHOLE THING THERE, BUT WE TRIED TO TIE IT IN TO MAKE THE TWO BUILDINGS RIGHT THERE, MAKE IT FUNCTIONAL, AND THEN PRETTY UP THE EXTERIOR WITH LANDSCAPE, AND SO ON.
WE CAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND LOOK AT THAT,
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BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO PROLONG THIS WHOLE THING, AND IT JUST BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT.THERE'S A CHOICE, AND THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED, SO JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ERIC, PLEASE COME ON UP.
>> ERIC PARTEL. WE'RE WALKING A FINE LINE HERE BETWEEN TRYING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE AND BASICALLY, MAINTENANCE-FREE, AND GREAT ARCHITECTURE.
THOSE TWO THINGS JUST DON'T REALLY GO TOGETHER.
THIS IS REALLY AN ATTEMPT TO PUT THE LIPSTICK ON THE PIG.
SMALLER BUILDINGS, YOU WANT TO DO THE LEAST THINGS WITH IT.
THAT'S WHY THE LAP SIDING IS ON IT.
CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE BUILDING, THE LEFT SIDE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT?
>> SURE I CAN. I'LL MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S PRESENTED THERE AND THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH LISA'S PRESENTATION.
OR I CAN PULL UP THE IMAGES FROM THE APPLICATION [INAUDIBLE]
>> WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE, THE ONE ON THE LEFT, IS JUST A BUILDING WITH NOTHING AROUND IT.
THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING.
THIS FITS WITHIN A PRETTY INTENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WE COULD DO A LOT SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THIS BUILDING.
WE TRIED TO DO AS MUCH AS WE COULD BY PUTTING THEM FACE TO FACE SO THE DOORS DON'T ENTER ONTO A WALKWAY.
THEN THE PERGOLA WAS TO TRY TO DRAW TOGETHER AND CREATE A SPACE THERE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GREAT ARCHITECTURE.
THE QUESTION IS, IS IT GOOD ENOUGH? MAYBE IT'S NOT, AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. PARTEL? ERIC, BEFORE YOU GO, I BELIEVE YOUR POINT HERE IS REALLY POWERFUL.
AS I RECALL FROM THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS THAT WE SAW WHEN WE APPROVED THEM, IT'S LUSH IN THIS PARK FROM THE PLANTINGS.
>> THESE WILL BE SOMEWHAT SECONDARY TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE?
>> THE VISION BEHIND THAT IS THAT THESE ARE BUILDING FOR SEED.
>> BUT THESE BUILDINGS ARE RIGHT AT AN ENTRANCE.
>> THEY CAN'T BE THAT WELL HIDDEN.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC MEETING AND ENTER INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
[INAUDIBLE] STATE OF OUR POSITIONS PRETTY CLEARLY AT THIS POINT.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS OPEN GABLE PAVILION WOULD BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED? I'M OKAY WITH THE CAST CONCRETE BATHROOMS BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT FROM A BUDGET AND MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE.
WE'VE ALL SEEN THINGS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IN PUBLIC BUILDING WHERE THINGS JUST GET TORE UP.
I THINK WHAT THEY'VE COME FORWARD WITH IS THE NUCLEAR WAR OPTION.
IT'D BE VERY EFFECTIVE OVER LONG TERM.
IF IT GETS BY BEHIND LANDSCAPING, IF IT HAS LAP SIDING, IF IT HAS A SIMULATED METAL ROOF, I THINK IT'S GOING TO RECEDE INTO THE BACKGROUND, BUT JUST ONE.
WHAT DO YOU FOLKS WANT TO RECOMMEND?
>> WELL, I'M PRETTY NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CONCRETE CAST THINGS.
THE REASON IS, IT'S ALL FIXED.
THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, YOU'RE NOT TYING THAT TOGETHER.
WE LIKE THE ONE PITCH ON THE OPEN.
I'VE BEEN TO LOTS OF PLACES WITH PUBLIC RESTROOMS THAT HAVE A NICE DESIGN, AND THEY'RE VIRTUALLY INDESTRUCTIBLE, AND THEY'RE NOT STICK-BUILT AND HALF INCH DRYWALL.
THEY'RE BLOCK BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT WITH A DESIGN, WITH AN ELEMENT, AND THIS IS A WATERFRONT.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS THING FOR 25, 30 YEARS.
WE'RE GOING TO JUST PLOP DOWN A CONCRETE CAST BATHROOM AND SAY, WE DID IT. WOW.
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>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YOU'RE NOT.
>> I THINK I'D BE TEAM TIM IN THAT REGARD.
SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THAT LAYOUT HAVE A LOT OF MERIT.
FACING THE DOORS TO EACH, THOSE INDUSTRIAL DOORS, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD DESIGN DECISION, I THINK.
DOING A FIELD BUILT LATTICE FRAMEWORK IN BETWEEN TO TRY AND TIE THEM TOGETHER A LITTLE, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA THAT CONCEPTUALLY COULD BE PUSHED FORWARD A LITTLE MORE WITH PERHAPS SOMETHING ELSE.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO LEARN ABOUT THE OTHER PUBLIC RESTROOM FACILITIES, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE THESE PRECAST THINGS.
HOW WELL HAVE THEY HELD UP, THAT ONE EXACTLY, HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE DO THEY REQUIRE AND HOW DIFFICULT ARE THEY TO UPKEEP? OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY'S DONE IT BEFORE.
CAN WE DO IT AGAIN FOR THE ONES THAT WORK? MAYBE PERHAPS SOME OF THEM REQUIRE A TON OF MAINTENANCE.
>> THANK YOU. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE CXT BUILDINGS.
I THINK IT COULD USE SOME WORK, AND I THINK THAT THE SIDING IS AN INTEGRAL OR IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
I THINK THE PERGOLA IN BETWEEN NEEDS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK, AND I THINK IF THAT WAS APPROPRIATELY DESIGNED, THEN I DO THINK THAT THE CONCRETE BUILDINGS WILL RECEDE AND THE PERGOLA WILL BE THE FOCUS.
JUST THE PURLIN NEEDS TO BE MORE SUBSTANTIAL IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE MAYBE IT COULD ACT AS A TRELLIS ELEMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF THOSE THINGS AND SCREENS IT SO WHEN YOU PULL IN AND WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING THE WATERFRONT PARK, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING INSTANTLY AT THESE CONCRETE BOXES.
YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT IT COULD JUST BE ONE LEVEL OF TRELLIS ELEMENT THAT COMES OUT IN THE FRONT [OVERLAPPING] YEAH.
I'D BE IN FAVOR OF TAKING A LOOK AT SOME STRATEGY THAT YOU ALLOW SOME SIMPLE WOOD ELEMENTS TO START TO DISGUISE A LITTLE BETTER, I THINK.
>> AS WAS MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT STYLE RESTROOMS. OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE BRICK DOWN HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE A FEW OF THE CXT PREFAB BUILDINGS AT THE BEACH, SEASIDE, MAIN BEACH.
THEN IN SOME OF OUR PARKS, WE HAVE THIS SMALLER DESIGN STEEL ROOF.
YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT FROM HERE, BUT IT'S A STRUT BLOCK, AND THEN YOU HAVE LAP SIDING AT THE TOP HALF.
SOMEONE MENTIONED A VARIATION OF THAT OR HINTED AT THAT.
WE HAVE THAT EGAN'S CREEK PARK, SO SIMMONS PARK HERE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHERS, BUT IT'S NOT EASILY VIEWABLE HERE FROM STREET VIEW, BUT ARE SOME OTHER FLAVORS THAT WE HAVE.
OF COURSE, YOUR BALL FIELDS HAVE A DIFFERENT LOOK, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING I KNOW THAT WE'D BE CONSIDERING.
YOUR SPORTS COMPLEXES HAVE MORE OF THAT UTILITARIAN SPORTY LOOK, THAT HARD BRICK TYPE THING. THOSE ARE SOME.
I'M SURE CHARLIE HAS SOME IDEAS TOO THAT COULD BLEND IN SOME OF THE CONCERNS OR SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT YOU-ALL HAVE TO BRING THESE ELEMENTS TOGETHER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] DIRECTOR, WHAT'S THE DUE DATE FOR THE NEXT AGENDA?
>> WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS ON THE JULY MEETING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECONSIDER IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
>> OR WE COULD JUST SIMPLY APPROVE THE PAVILION OPEN GABLE, I THINK SOMEBODY IDENTIFIED THE ROOF PITCH, AND ASK FOR OTHER OPTIONS FOR THE RESTROOM.
>> OR YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS AT THAT MEETING YOU'D LIKE?
>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT ONE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED EARLIER THOUGH.
THE QUESTION WAS, WHY ARE THE BATHROOMS RIGHT THERE? IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION FOR WHERE THEY COULD BE? THAT IF, IN FACT, THERE'S NO SOLUTION TO THE BUILDING, IS THERE ANOTHER PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT THIS THAT IT WILL BE MORE COVERED BY LANDSCAPING?
>> IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE RESTROOMS THAN IT WOULD BE TO RELOCATE THEM BECAUSE HOW FAR WE'VE COME [OVERLAPPING]
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>> ESPECIALLY ADJACENT TO THE PARKING LOT AND THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE.
>> MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE, I THINK I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE ARCHITECT MENTIONED, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SCALE OF THE TWO BUILDINGS THESE BATHROOMS ARE MUCH SMALLER AND LOWER THAN THE PAVILION AND SO I THINK THAT HAS TO HAVE SOME BEARING.
I'M IN TEAM TIM AND JIM, BUT I THINK IF WE GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, NOW THAT THEY KNOW OUR INPUT, IF YOU HAVE OPTIONS WHERE ONE IS MAYBE USING THE PRECAST BUILDING, BUT MAYBE ELEVATING THE ELEMENT OF THE TRELLIS OR THE PERGOLA GOING IN, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION FROM TIM, THAT MAYBE THE MAIN ELEMENT IS THE PERGOLA, AND THEN THE BATHROOMS RECEDE ON THE BACK, AND MAYBE TRY TO MUTE THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, COLOR AND TEXTURE AND KEEP THEM AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE AND ELEVATE THE PERGOLA.
I THINK THAT COULD BE AN OPTION.
I THINK MAYBE A CUSTOM BLOCK STRUCTURE COULD ALSO BE AN OPTION, A HALFWAY POINT, LIKE I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. PARTEL, DID YOU HAVE A FINAL COMMENT? THEN ASK IF SOMEBODY HAD A QUESTION.
>> I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING IN RESPONSE TO MR. POZZETTA'S COMMENT ABOUT DURABILITY.
THE RESTROOM AT EGAN CREEK PARK WAS SET ON FIRE NOT TOO LONG AGO, I BELIEVE, AND IT WAS CLOSED FOR A WHILE.
THE ONE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A TRADE OFF HERE, WHAT YOU WANT.
>> IT'S NOT BLOCK. IT'S A CAST CONCRETE.
>> JUST ONE OTHER THING REGARDING THE PAVILION.
MR. POZZETTA SAID REGARDING THE ROOF PITCH, THAT IT MIGHT BE NICE IF IT WAS A LITTLE STEEPER ROOF PITCH.
>> WHAT IS IT NOW? WHAT WAS THAT PICTURE NOW? I COULDN'T SEE IT.
>> BECAUSE THE SIX ON 12 IS A RIGHT ANGLE, AND IT'S A REALLY NICE TRIANGULAR SHAPE, AND IT'S NICE.
>> HAVE YOU GOT ANY OBJECTION?
>> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD MEMBERS TOO ABOUT THE OPTION TO POSTPONE, IF NOT THE WHOLE CASE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU. IT'S CONCEPTUAL, SO YOU MEAN CONTINUE.
POSTPONE,, CONTINUE IS THE SAME THING.
THIS IS JUST FOR ADVERTISING PURPOSES.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT NEXT MONTH.
>> THAT MAKES MORE SENSE JUST TO CONTINUE.
>> SURE. MOTION TO CONTINUE, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION CONTINUE.
>> COULD YOU PUT THE MOTION UP ON THERE, TIM /.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I JUST DON'T KNOW THE CASE NUMBER.
>> THANK YOU, COUNSEL. IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING THINS ALONG, WE HAVE 27.
>> I MOVE TO CONTINUE ADC CASE NUMBER 2024-0015.
>> TO THE JULY HDC MEETING THERE HAS TO BE A DATE.
>> THAT'S SUFFICIENT THAT STAFF KNOWS WHAT IT IS WE'RE LOOKING, [OVERLAPPING] I SECOND.
>> MOTION SECOND. WE DON'T NEED ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT [INAUDIBLE]
>> BOARD BUSINESS. WHEN ARE WE DRAGGING JEREMIAH BACK TO THE TABLE?
[6. BOARD BUSINESS ]
>> WHEN YOU'RE READY, YOU CAN DO THAT AS THE STAFF REQUIRES.
>> THE BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL BUSINESS THAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER AT THIS TIME? IF NOT, JOSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AS PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, I ASSUME.
[8. PUBLIC COMMENT ]
WE ALWAYS WANT TO HEAR WHAT JOSE HAS TO SAY. COME ON UP.[01:40:01]
>> THANK YOU. THEN I CAN GO HOME. STARK BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THE BUCK? THAT FACADE HAS FINALLY GONE UP.
>> THE FRAMING OF THE STORE FRONTS IS IN.
THE WINDOWS ARE COMING LATE NEXT WEEK.
WINDOW INSTALLATION IN THE MONTH OF JULY.
>> YOU WON'T HAVE MATERIALS ON THIS. THIS IS A PROJECT.
>> NO. CORRECT. IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE TWO RETAIL SPACES OPEN BY LATE JULY EARLY AUGUST.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER FOR THE REST OF THE FACADE WORK, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE SCAFFOLDING IN PLACE AND HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE UNITS.
MARINA BUILDING, MARINA RESTAURANT.
STUCCO IS COMPLETED ON THE EAST FACADE.
THE WEST FACADE IS ABOUT 70% COMPLETE.
THE NORTH WALL HAS BEEN REBUILT IN CONCRETE BLOCK AND THEY ALREADY GOT THE SCRATCH CODE FOR THE STUCCO ON IT.
WINDOWS ARE EXPECTED IN TWO WEEKS.
YOU'LL START TO SEE THOSE GOING IN.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE SCAFFOLDING DOWN BY AUGUST TIME FRAME AND BE TOTALLY WRAPPED UP BY FIRST WEEK OF SEPTEMBER.
>> YOU'RE ABLE TO GET GAS THERE NOW?
>> WE CAN GET GAS, THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN'T GET THREE PHASE POWER.
THE LORD GIVETH. EITHER WAY THAT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM.
>> IT'S MOVING, OBVIOUSLY, THE BIGGEST HOLDUP IS THE STORM WATER ON ALACHUA.
THEY'RE GOING VERTICAL WITH THE TRIPLE UNIT.
WE'RE ALSO INTO THE TIGER ISLAND ROOM.
YOU KNOW THAT ONE INTERIOR DEMO IS COMPLETE.
WE PEELED AWAY ALL THE LAYERS OF THE ONION, AND WE DISCOVERED THAT THE FLOOR SYSTEM IN BUILDING NUMBER 12, WHICH WAS OLD PABLO'S OFF GRADE FRAMED, DETERIORATED ALL THE HECK.
IT'S GOT TO BE TOTALLY TAKEN OUT.
WE'RE HAVING TO POUR NEW A SLAB IN THERE TO RAISE IT BACK UP AGAIN.
IT'S GOT SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING TO CHANGE ON THE FLY.
OBVIOUSLY, THE OWNERS END LOOP WE'RE MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK AS THAT ONE PROGRESSES.
THEY EXPECT THE BRICK RE-POINT IS GOING TO START ON THE OUTSIDE.
I THINK THEY'RE STARTING ON THE WEST WALL WHICH IS PABLO'S IS THE WORST ONE.
THAT WEST WALL IS REALLY POOR SHAPE.
WE'RE RE-POINTING, AND HAVING TO REPLACE BROKEN BRICK, AND THEN THEY'RE MOVING TO THE NORTH AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE.
>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR UPDATE.
>> DIRECTOR, I'M A LITTLE BIT LOST ON MY AGENDA, SO MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME.
MR. GLISSON, IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN UPDATE ON
[7. STAFF REPORT ]
PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD AT THE CITY LEVELS, PLEASE.WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IN YOUR MIND.
WE KNOW YOU PROBABLY HAD A VERY LONG DAY.
>> SURE WE ALL HAVE HERE. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO PROVIDE AT LEAST A MINIMUM A QUARTERLY UPDATE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT HAPPENING WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN, OTHER AREAS.
THIS IS JUST A LOT OF PROJECTS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, AND WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH A FEW OF THESE REAL QUICK.
THIS WILL BE SHORT. DOWNTOWN. LANDSCAPING WAS IN PRETTY POOR CONDITION.
IN THE LAST UPDATE, WE HAD GET READY TO ACTIVATE A CON TRACK WITH THE GREENERY.
THAT'S BEEN DONE, AND THAT SCOPE PROVIDES WEEKLY MAINTENANCE, WEEDING, MOWING, MULCHING, VEGETATIVE DEBRIS REMOVAL.
THEY'RE HERE ONCE A WEEK ON THURSDAYS.
THEN HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE WILL HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PLANTINGS UP AND DOWN THE CENTER STREET CORRIDOR. THAT'S PHASE 1.
THEY'VE APPLIED A LOT OF ART TO A LOT OF LANDSCAPE ISLANDS, POTS AND PALETTES OF IT.
IT'LL STAGE AT THE END OF BROOM STREET THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S AN UPDATE ON THAT INITIATIVE.
NEXT IS SOME RAILROAD WORK THAT'S BEEN GOING ON.
THIS WORK ACTUALLY STARTED AT THE SHAPE BRIDGE AND THIS WORK ITS WAY HERE TO THE DOWNTOWN.
YOU PROBABLY SAW A LOT OF THE PILES OF TIES THAT WERE ALONG THE RAILROAD TRACK THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT.
WHAT THE RAILROAD HAS DONE, ON THE LEFT, THEY'RE REPLACING LOT OF DETERIORATED TIES.
THEN WHAT THEY'RE DOING NEXT ON THIS RIGHT PICTURE IS APPLYING NEW BALLAST ROCK FROM CURVE TO THE FENCING THERE.
THAT WILL BE HAPPENING HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
MATTER OF FACT, THAT ROCKS ALREADY HERE.
IT'S OVER HERE BY PARKING LOT E,
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THE NEW BALLAST ROCK THAT WILL BE GOING DOWN AND THOSE TIES.THAT WAS A PROJECT WE PARTNERED WITH THE RAILROAD ON.
THEY DIDN'T WANT US DOWN THERE MOWING.
BUT IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU HAVE TO HELP US PROVIDE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT.
THAT WAS THIS ROCK THAT IF YOU WERE TO GET FURTHER NORTH OF CENTER, YOU HAVE IT FROM THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT THERE.
THIS WAS THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE COULD GET, AND THEY WERE AGREEABLE, THEY BRING IN THE RAILROAD.
THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A WET FABRIC DOWN, AND THEN THEY'LL APPLY THE ROCK HERE REAL SOON.
THIS CONTRACT IS AWARDED TO KIMLEY-HORN.
WE HAD A MEETING HERE JUST LAST WEEK TO LOOK AT SOME UPDATES ON THAT.
REMEMBER, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE FOR THE UPGRADING AND REPLACEMENT OF SIDEWALKS, OUR LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, AND, OF COURSE, ALL THE 88 COMPLIANCE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
THIS IS MAYBE DIFFICULT TO SEE FROM FROM YOUR POINT, BUT THESE ARE A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
OF COURSE, A LOT OF THE LANDS, THE WALLS ARE NOW ENCROACHING ON SOME OF THE GROWING LIVE BOOKS THAT WE HAVE DOWN THERE.
MOVING THOSE SO THOSE TREES CAN CONTINUE TO FLOURISH.
KEEPING A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES IS A LOT OF OUR HARDSCAPE, PENTAGONAL PAVERS, THE BRICK CROSSWALKS, THE GRANITE CURVES, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE WANT TO SEE CONTINUE TO BE USED IN THE DOWNTOWN, THE BENCHES, BIKE RACKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'RE CLEANING THIS UP, WE'RE WORKING WITH MAIN STREET ON CLEANING THIS LANGUAGE UP TO PROVIDE THIS FEEDBACK TO KIMLEY-HORN.
BUT THE SIDEWALKS PROTECTING THE EXISTING TREES, CREATING A SAFER PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, THE ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES, MAINTAINING THAT HISTORIC THEME AND REUSING THE HISTORIC MATERIAL.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PAVER ZONE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE DESIGN AROUND THE COURTHOUSE AREA ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST ON THE COURTHOUSE SIDE.
THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN WILL BE AVAILABLE SOON.
THEN, OF COURSE, THE NEW LIGHTING, WHICH THE ACC HAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT LIGHTING DESIGN SOME MONTHS AGO, SO THAT WILL BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS DESIGN.
THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE, WE'RE STILL MOVING ALONG, AND WE'LL BRING SOMETHING MORE FORMAL BACK HERE SOON.
ALACHUA STREET. WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS.
THAT IS TO SAY, THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE PROJECT OPTION 2.
THIS IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED AT THE 72 MEETING NEXT WEEK.
THIS IS GOING TO ABANDONING THE OPTION 1, WHICH IS BORING UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD WITH THE SYSTEM THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED.
THIS WILL BE DOING LARGELY IN-HOUSE, PUTTING A SYSTEM IN PLACE THERE.
THOSE VAULTS ON THE RIGHT WILL FINALLY BE GOING AWAY.
THEY WILL BE REMOVED HERE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THEN ALSO WHAT'S COMING IS THE SIDEWALK DETAILS BEEN PROVIDED, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE THE SIDEWALK CURBING, DRIVEWAY ABRAMS, EVERYTHING, THAT WILL BE GOING TO THE COMMISSION 1ST OF AUGUST.
WE HAVE THAT PROPOSAL IN HAND, AND THE PAVING PROPOSAL WILL BE IN THAT FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST AS WELL.
WE'RE GETTING SOME THINGS DONE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE RAILROAD PROPOSAL, THIS IS THE BIG PART, THE CROSSING, THE $900,000 CROSSING THAT'S GOING BEFORE THE COMMISSION, NEXT TUESDAY AS WELL.
THE RAILROAD COMES IN, ESSENTIALLY CUTS OUT THAT PORTION OF THE TRACKS, DROPS IN THEIR CROSSING.
DOESN'T GET PAVED. WE GOT TO GO IN THERE AND PAVE BETWEEN THE TRACKS.
I'M GOING TO GET QUOTES ELSE WHERE, IS THE RAILROAD.
THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TUESDAY AS WELL, AND A LOT OF THAT EXPENSES THE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR CROSSING AND SIGNALING THAT GOES IN.
DO NOT LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE THIS PLAN IS ALREADY OUTDATED.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE PAST THIS SLIDE AND GET TO THE NEXT ONE.
DOWNTOWN ON NORTH SEVENTH STREET.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
NORTH SEVENTH STREET IS THE ONLY LOT WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT THAT'S STILL TWO-WAY.
WHEN THE LAST DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PROJECT OCCURRED LATE '90S, THERE JUST WASN'T A NEED TO ONE-WAY THE STREET TO PROVIDE ON STREET PARKING.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, PARKING HAS BECOME A PERENNIAL DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
NEXT COMMISSION MEETING AS WELL IS A PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE THE CURBING AND SIDEWALK HERE ALONG NORTH SEVENTH STREET.
RIGHT NOW YOU'RE CENTER STREET, LOOKING NORTH TO ALACHUA.
YOU HAVE THE CHURCH THERE TO THE WEST.
ALSO THIS IS WHERE OUR FARMER'S MARKET GOES.
BOTH STAKEHOLDERS ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT GETTING UNDERWAY.
THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A ONE WAY?
>> YES. ONE WAY IT WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME TRAFFIC FLOW AS OUR OTHER STREETS.
THE TRAFFIC WILL COME FROM NORTH TO SOUTH.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE WAITING ON THE RESULTS FROM THE WETLANDS DELINEATION SURVEYING.
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WETLANDS THERE BETWEEN SEVENTH AND EIGHTH CALENDAR WOODED AREA THERE.ONCE WE GET THOSE RESULTS, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY HOW FAR TO THE EAST TO PUT THAT CURVING.
BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING ABOUT 25-30 PARKING SPOTS ON THE STREET.
DEPENDING ON THE TOTAL SURVEY, THE WETLAND DELINEATION, WE'LL KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WE CAN GET IN HERE.
THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD.
WE HOPE TO HAVE THIS DONE BY THE END OF THE SUMMER.
A LITTLE BIT MORE I SAYING THAT'S A LITTLE DRAWING OF HOW THE PARKING DETAIL WOULD BE.
DEPENDING ON THE, ONCE AGAIN, THE WETLANDS, WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE DIA SPOTS.
GO PARALLEL, YOU LOSE SOME PARKING AND DOING THAT, WILL NARROW THE ROAD.
HOPEFULLY NOT, WE CAN WORK THIS LAYOUT HERE PROVIDES THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PARKING.
WE'RE LEAVING THIS AREA AS IT IS, AND IT WILL REPAY THAT STREET.
ANOTHER PROJECT, NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN, BUT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, IS OUR PECK CENTER.
THIS WAS A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT.
ONE OF OUR LARGEST FACILITIES IN THE CITY.
THIS PROJECT IS ABOUT 80% COMPLETE.
THIS IS RIGHT HERE NOW. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE ORIGINAL ROOF SYSTEMS WERE FINALLY REHABILITATED AND UPGRADED.
THIS IS A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT THROUGH THE STATE, AND WE WERE HAPPY TO GET IT.
THIS IS LIKE I SAID, $1.1 MILLION PROJECT, AND OUR COST WAS ABOUT 10% OF THAT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THIS THINGS FINALLY MOVING ALONG.
THAT'S IT. YOU ALWAYS GOT THINGS GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN, BUT THAT'S ALL HALFWAY NOW.
>> WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE VAULTS?
>> THE VAULTS ARE GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC WORK YARD.
WE WILL BE USING A GOOD MOST OF THAT MATERIAL IN THE UPCOMING RECLAIMING SYSTEM THAT WE'LL USE FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THAT'S A NEW [OVERLAPPING]
WE USE A LOT OF THOSE MATERIALS IN THAT PROJECT AND THE GENERATOR WILL BE USED ELSEWHERE FOR OUR STATION PROJECT.
>> IT'S NOT LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WATER TO REMOVE THEM.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE, HOPEFULLY QUICK QUESTION.
BUT WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP, YOU INDICATED THE BRICK CROSSWALKS?
>> THAT WAS OUR FEEDBACK TO THE DESIGN TEAM WHEN WE MET THEM LAST WEEK IN THE CROSSWALKS.
THEIR CONCERNS IS THAT'S THE ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUE BECAUSE THE BRICKS WHEN STACKED VERTICALLY, YOU HAVE THE GAPS BETWEEN THEM.
BUT THERE ARE ADA ISSUES IN THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FULLY SOLVE.
PARTICULARLY THE CROSS SLOPES OF THE SIDEWALKS.
WE CAN'T RAISE THE ENTIRE CENTER STREET.
THAT MEANS, IT'S 2% CROSS SLOPE THAT'S ALLOWABLE, AND WE'RE PUSHING. WE'RE MORE THAN THAT.
YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN. REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION.
WE MADE IT CLEAR WE WANT TO SEE THE BRICK CROSSWALKS STAY WITH THAT STYLE BRICK.
DON'T COME IN HERE AND DO SOME HERRING BONE, DIFFERENT PATTERN.
>> THE CURRENT BRICKS WILL REMAIN?
>> WE'RE NOT REPLACING THOSE BRICKS?
>> THE GOAL IS TO CONTINUE TO USE THOSE CURRENT BRICKS.
NOW, A LOT OF THE CROSSWALKS HAVE MAJOR ISSUES.
WE'VE HAD LUCK, AND WE DEMONSTRATED THAT TO THE DESIGN TEAM THAT WE'VE HAD LUCK PULLING THESE BRICKS UP.
THESE BRICKS ARE VERY RESILIENT AND WITHOUT BEING FRACTURED OR BROKEN.
BUT WE DO NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT IN ADDRESSING THOSE CROSSWALKS, SOME BREAK, YOU DO HAVE TO REPLACE.
THE CROSSWALKS ARE BEING REPAIRED WITH SOMETHING.
>> YOU STILL HAVE SOME THOUGH?
>> WE DO. WE DO HAVE SOME, AND WE MADE IT CLEAR WHAT OUR INVENTORY WAS ON THOSE BRICKS.
>> I LIKE THAT BECAUSE I WAS [INAUDIBLE]
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I ALWAYS FIND YOUR UPDATES VERY INFORMED AND EXTREMELY USEFUL, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO COME TALK TO US.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, IT HELPS A LOT.
>> THANK YOU. I THINK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO TAKE LEADERSHIP ROLE, WEARING TWO HATS RIGHT NOW. IT'S A BIG DEAL.
>> IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL US.
>> YOU'RE DOING IT. YOUR FEEDBACK'S REALLY HELPFUL.
>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THIS EVENING, IF NOT, DIRECTOR, HAVE I COVERED EVERYTHING? SYLVIA MANTRA, LATE, PERHAPS, BUT.
>> COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE TONIGHT. WE ADJOURN.
>> THANK YOU.
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