Jun 13, 2024 Airport Advisory Commission

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PROCEDURES ARE WHAT THEY ARE.

[5.1 Jacksonville Class C Airspace Modification Proposal Update]

SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THOSE PROCEDURES, BUT WE DO WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT OUR AEROSPACE PROPOSAL, AND HOW IT COULD BE MODIFIED SO THAT WE COULD BOTH COME OUT OF THIS WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK, AND WE SAID, YEAH, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

SO WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE YET, THE LIKELIHOOD IS THAT THEY'LL BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ON THE FLOOR OF THEIR CLASS C SHELF. THEY HAD IT SET AT 1200, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY WAY TOO LOW.

THAT'S NOT EVEN PATTERN ALTITUDE FOR A TURBOPROP OR A JET, RIGHT? SO THEY'LL BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE ON THE FLOOR OF THEIR SHELF AND PROBABLY SOME OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THEIR SHELF, BOTH ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT WE CARE ABOUT, AND ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS WHAT CRAIG AND SOME OF THE OTHER HERLONG AND AIRPORTS CARE ABOUT ON THE WEST SIDE, AND BUT WE'RE STILL WAITING TO GET MORE INFORMATION.

SO AS SOON AS THE AD HOC COMMITTEE GETS THE INFORMATION, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER OUR SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WANT TO SEND BACK TO THE FAA, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE NEGOTIATING.

HOPEFULLY, IT WON'T JUST BE THE KIND OF THING WHERE WE SEND IT BACK IN, AND THEY JUST DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN, HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, KIND OF COME TO SOME AGREEMENT THAT WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO THEN TAKE TO THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS, AND THEN IT'LL GO FROM THERE.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE STAGE OF THINGS.

PEOPLE ASK ME, HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO TAKE? WELL, AGAIN, IT'S THE FAA.

SO IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE RATIONAL TIMING OF IT, IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE US ANOTHER 2 TO 3 MONTHS EVEN TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK WITH THE DATA WE WANT, AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING ALL OF OUR AD HOC COMMITTEE MEMBERS BEING ABLE TO SEE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND AGREE WITH THEM, GET THOSE BACK TO THE FAA, THEY'LL NEED TO EVALUATE THEM AT THAT POINT IN TIME. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A [INAUDIBLE] REVIEW.

SO THE CHARTING FOLKS HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND KIND OF MAKE THEIR ANALYSIS, AND THEN ASSUMING THAT ALL GETS DONE, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, WHICH IS GOING TO TAKE SOME X NUMBER OF MONTHS, AND THEN EVEN AFTER ALL THAT'S DONE, IT GOES TO A NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULEMAKING, WHICH IS AT LEAST A 60 DAY PERIOD.

RIGHT. PLUS COMMENTS AND TIME AFTER THAT TO MAKE WHATEVER CHANGES, AND THEN FINALLY AFTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS DECIDED HAS TO GET INTO THE CHART MAKING PROCEDURE, WHICH IS ANOTHER SIX MONTHS.

SO WE ARE A YEAR OR MORE AWAY FROM THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING.

NO. WERE THEY THE FLOOR OF IT, WERE THEY AMENABLE TO LIKE 2500FT OR.

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WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT NUMBERS, AND THEY'LL DEFINITELY BE AMENABLE TO RAISING IT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IN THAT KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KIND OF DO THE ANALYSIS AND MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE 1200 OR EVEN 1500.

OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BE SOMETHING ABOVE 1500, BECAUSE YOU NEED 500 FOOT SEPARATION FOR THE PATTERN, ALTITUDE FOR THE JETS LANDING ON VISUAL AT FERNANDINA.

SO IT'LL BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, I DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY NUMBERS OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE IS THERE ANY ANYTHING THAT JOHN Q PUBLIC OR OTHER PILOTS CAN DO TO HELP YOU IN THIS ENDEAVOR OR TO BE A PART OF YOUR INFORMATION GATHERING FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT YOU HAVE.

WELL, SO THE THERE WAS, I MEAN, THE INITIAL AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH WAS THE END OF FEBRUARY, WAS THE CHANCE FOR EVERYONE TO KIND OF ASSEMBLE.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED AND WANT TO PARTICIPATE, JUST SEND ME YOUR INFORMATION OR HAVE THEM SEND ME THEIR INFORMATION AND I'LL MAKE SURE I GET THEM ON THE LIST FOR THE AD HOC COMMITTEE COMMUNICATIONS, AND THEN THEY CAN PROVIDE THEIR INPUT IN THAT WAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AIRPORT LANDING FEES.

[5.2 Airport Landing Fees]

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLY TAKING PLACE AT OTHER GA AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO CONSIDER.

IT'S OBVIOUSLY A HOT TOPIC ITEM, BUT WE DID GET THE DISCUSSION GOING.

ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WAS MADE TO ME THAT I THINK IS A GOOD SUGGESTION IS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER ITEMS PRESSING THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW, CLASS C BEING THE MAIN ISSUE AND THE SOCCER FIELDS, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE GET AT LEAST GET PAST CLASS C, SO WE CAN SEE WHAT OUR AIRPORT LOOKS LIKE AT THAT POINT.

IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONSIDER, AND ALSO THAT GIVES US TIME TO NOT BE ONE OF THE FIRST.

LET'S I KNOW SOME OTHER AIRPORTS ARE GOING TO START DOING THIS.

THAT'LL GIVE US TIME TO SEE HOW IT GOES FOR SOME OTHER GA AIRPORTS, AND WE CAN GATHER MORE DATA FROM FROM THEM AND SEE IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR THEM, AND WE CAN LET SOME OTHER AIRPORT DIRECTORS GET BEAT UP A LITTLE BIT FIRST BEFORE WE TRY IT.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN.

YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT OR DO WE JUST PUSH IT OFF? I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING TO DO ANYTHING.

SO I WOULD SAY YEAH.

OKAY. QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON THAT, ANYBODY? I AGREE. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THERE.

NEW BUSINESS.

NOTHING ON THE AGENDA FOR NEW BUSINESS OKAY.

ANY WORD ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY FROM THE MOVING THE SOCCER FIELDS? I'LL BRING. THAT'S ACTUALLY MY REPORT AND YOUR REPORT.

[7.1 Airport Financial Report]

THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE.

IF YOU LIKE, I CAN MOVE ON TO THE FINANCIAL REPORT.

IT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO READ, BUT BASICALLY, AS FAR AS OUR OPERATING EXPENSES AND REVENUES, WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

IT'S DOING GOOD, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, AS FAR AS OUR EXPENSES AND AND OUR REVENUES ARE UP AND, AND WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE OF NOT GOING OVER BUDGET ON EXPENDITURES.

I ALSO INCLUDED IN FRONT OF YOU A COPY OF OUR FIVE YEAR CIP THAT WE GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION WHEN WE DO BUDGET HEARINGS.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, IT'S THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IN OUR JSEP WITH FDOT AND FAA [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE JUST ABOUT $15 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS TAXIWAY ALPHA WE'RE DOING NOW, BUT NEXT YEAR THE BIG ONE WILL BE THIRD RUNWAY 1331.

RIGHT. WILL BE A VERY LARGE PROJECT, AND THEN LET'S SEE SOME OTHERS.

I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ IN THIS LIGHTING, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE].

SO NO QUESTIONS ON THAT OR THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

[7.2 Airport Director Report]

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SO FOR MAY, I CAN TELL YOU MAY OF 2023, WE HAVE 4435 OPERATIONS THIS MAY. WE HAD 5914 OPERATIONS.

SO IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A 33% INCREASE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS SUMMER; SUMMERS ARE USUALLY SLOW.

THE SUMMER'S A LITTLE BIT BUSIER; SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN.

SO THE SOCCER FIELDS THAT'S A BIG ITEM RIGHT NOW THAT IS STILL WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM FDEP.

AS FAR AS LIVING THERE, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME HELP HOPEFULLY GETTING THAT MOVED UP THE CHAIN ON GETTING PAST HIM BEFORE WE GET SEND THAT TO THE FAA.

SO IT'S NOT AGAIN, NOT NOT A VERY QUICK PROCESS [INAUDIBLE].

THAT'S THE STATE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL, THE FLORIDA STATE ORGANIZATION, OR FAA FEDERAL.

YEAH, THAT'S FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

YES. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE GRANT THAT WAS TIED TO THE SOCCER FIELD ITSELF, NOT THE AIRPORT.

RIGHT. SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE.

I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET READERS HERE EVENTUALLY IN THIS LIGHTING.

[CHUCKLING] I'VE NEVER USED THIS.

JOIN THE CLUB.

IT JUST HAPPENS, I DON'T KNOW.

OH WE DID RECEIVE A GRANT FOR OUR MAINTENANCE BARN.

YEAH, THAT'S FOR ALL THE EQUIPMENT WE JUST GOT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT STARTING THAT IN OCTOBER.

WE WILL BE GOING TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO AGREE ON THE [INAUDIBLE] HANGARS THAT YOU RECOMMENDED.

WE MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S THE FIVE NEW HANGARS OVER ON JAMESTOWN ROAD.

YEAH. SO THAT'LL BE GOING TO CITY COMMISSION NEXT.

I'M JUST GOING TO MENTION WE HAVE A INTERN STARTING JUNE 24TH.

IF YOU SEE HIM AROUND.

YOUNG MAN TRYING TO GET INTO THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY NEXT YEAR.

SO HE WANTED TO DO HIS INTERNSHIP AT AN AIRPORT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

IS HE GOING TO BE OUT OF YOUR OFFICE? YES. YEAH. YEAH.

WE'LL BE TAKING HIM OUT ON THE FIELD TEACHING HOW TO AIRFIELD INSPECTIONS.

YEAH, THAT KIND OF THING.

WHEN IS HE GOING TO START? JUNE 24TH.

JUNE 24TH. OKAY.

I HAVE A COUPLE SONS THAT WENT TO THAT PLACE.

OH, YEAH? HE SEEMS LIKE A REAL SHARP YOUNG MAN AND HE WAS SENT TO US FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

YEAH. VERY NICE.

IT IS HURRICANE SEASON NOW, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

THE AIRPORTS I THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB LAST YEAR OF BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES AND CLEARING THE DEBRIS AND AIRCRAFT LAST YEAR, SO WE'LL BE PREPARED AGAIN THIS YEAR. ALSO MENTIONED I DID GO VISIT THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS AT CRAIG YESTERDAY.

I WENT I THINK I HIT THEM ALL GOT A GOOD RESPONSE FROM ALL OF THEM.

I GAVE THEM OUR FLIER, REMINDED THEM OF THE OF OUR VOLUNTARY CURFEW.

THE MAIN THING I WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE I HAD GOOD CONTACTS FOR EACH OF THEM.

SO IF WE HAVE ISSUES, I CAN HAVE SOMEONE TO CALL OR LET THEM KNOW WHEN SPECIAL EVENTS ARE HAPPENING.

MAYBE IT'S NOT A GREAT TIME FOR THEM TO COME TO THE AIRPORT, BUT AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. YOU KNOW, THEY HEARD ABOUT RUMBLINGS OF LANDING FEES AND CLASS C, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE REACHING OUT TO THEM WITH ANSWERS TO THAT. SO IT WENT PRETTY GOOD.

THEY WERE ALL VERY KIND AND RESPONSIVE, I CAN SAY.

SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I DID THAT.

AS FAR AS EVENTS WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAD A RUNWAY 5A.

I TOLD YOU LAST TIME WAS MAY 25TH.

THEY CALLED AND ASKED TO POSTPONE THAT.

THEY HADN'T GOTTEN THE RESPONSE THEY HAD HOPED AT THAT POINT.

SO THEY WANT TO TRY TO DO IT AGAIN IN NOVEMBER.

SO JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

MAYBE IT'LL HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER.

WE HAVE A BIG EVENT PLANNED AUGUST 17TH CALLED WHEELS AND WINGS; THAT WILL COINCIDE WITH NATIONAL AVIATION DAY AND THAT'S [INAUDIBLE].

SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE A PRETTY GOOD EVENT.

A COUPLE EVENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NEXT YEAR.

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ONE IS A FUNDRAISER THEY WANT TO DO FOR THE LOCAL SKATE PARK.

THEY WANT THEY'RE TRYING TO RAISE MONEY TO EXPAND IT, AND THEY WANT A BIG VENUE, AND THEY THOUGHT THE AIRPORT WOULD BE GOOD.

I TOLD THEM WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW MUCH DETAIL WORK GOES INTO IT, SO THEY PUSH IT OFF UNTIL NEXT YEAR, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT WITH A LOCAL SKATER WHO'S GOING TO BE, A SKATEBOARDER WHO'S GOING TO BE IN THE OLYMPICS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY THINK THAT'LL BE A BIG DRAW WITH A LOT OF BIG BANDS.

SO THEY THINK MAYBE, YOU KNOW, 3000 PLUS PEOPLE.

THEY HAVE A PRETTY SERIOUS BUDGET, AND THEY WANT TO CALL IT A HANGER AT THE HANGAR.

[CHUCKLING] THAT'S A SKATEBOARD THING; I DON'T KNOW.

ANOTHER I GOT A CALL FROM A CORPORATE CONFERENCE GROUP AT THE [INAUDIBLE] NEXT YEAR, AND THEY SEEM REALLY INTERESTED IN DOING A STATIC DISPLAY FOR THEIR CONFERENCE MEMBERS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO FLY IN A LOT OF COOL AIRPLANES AND HAVEN'T BEEN OUT AT THE AIRPORT, SO THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW IF IT WAS POSSIBLE.

SO, YEAH, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE IT, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER COOL WAY THAT WE COULD [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY, MOVING ON TO CAPITAL PROJECTS THIS YEAR, WE HAVE OUR BIG ONE.

I'LL REMIND YOU IS TAXIWAY ALPHA.

WE DID GO OUT FOR BID.

WE HAD ESTIMATED 2.5 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT, BUT THE WINNING BID CAME IN AT 2.64.

SO IN THE WORLD OF AIRPORT BIDS, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

SO NOW WE HAVE THAT NUMBER, WE CAN SUBMIT THE FINAL APPLICATION TO FAA.

NOW THAT WE KNOW THE NUMBER WE HAVE TO FIRST GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO SIGN THAT APPLICATION.

SO AS SOON AS WE GET THAT, WE'LL GO, BUT WE'RE STILL LOOKING LIKE OCTOBER TO BEGIN THAT PROJECT.

SAME WITH HANGAR B, WE'RE LOOKING AT I'M SORRY YEAH HANGAR B, PAVEMENT REHAB.

WE'RE LOOKING AT OCTOBER, ALONG WITH THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT GO WITH THAT COVER THAT AREA, TOO.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU. SAM.

THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT, AND NEXT, I'LL MOVE RIGHT ON TO JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE THAT WE HAVE A QUITTER,

[7.3 AAC Vacancy (Seat 5, term ending 12/2026)]

[LAUGHTER] QUITTER! I THINK HE'S MOVING.

I'M MOVING FOUR MILES; THAT'S ALL.

THAT'S ALL IT TAKES, BUT IT TAKES ME OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

SO THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE A VACANCY ON OUR AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION.

SO ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY INTERESTED, ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON THE CITY WEBSITE ON HOW TO APPLY FOR THAT.

THANKS. YEAH, AND THANK YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN A GREAT, GREAT ASSET, AND YOUR WISDOM HAS BEEN GREATLY RECEIVED.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

THANKS. YOU'LL BE HERE TILL THE END OF THE YEAR? PARDON ME. YOU'LL BE HERE TILL THE END OF THE YEAR.

TILL ACTUALLY, THIS IS MY LAST MEETING.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I'D HEARD. WE MOVED IN JULY.

OKAY. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS.

ANYTHING TO BRING UP? PUBLIC COMMENTS.

[9. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

I WASN'T SURE WHAT I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON, SO I KIND OF SAID THAT I'D WAIT UNTIL THE END.

JAMES HARKINS, 1942 SPRINGBROOK ROAD, FERNANDINA BEACH.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S OCCURRED TO ME KIND OF RECENTLY, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE APPARENTLY THERE'S THERE'S AN OPENING COMING UP IN THIS AUGUST BODY.

IS THERE ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION WHO IS NOT A PILOT WHO USES THE AIRPORT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO.

THIS ISN'T THE TIME FOR BACK AND FORTH.

OKAY.

SO SINCE MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO, WHAT MY CONCERN BECOMES IS HOW DOES THE CONCERNS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THE CITIZENRY OF CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE ISLAND HOW DOES THAT GET SUPPORTED AND CONVEYED IN THESE COMMISSION MEETINGS?

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IT HAS BECOME A HONESTLY, EVEN MORE DIFFICULT IN THE, IN THE PAST SEVERAL MEETINGS.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU BE A PILOT IN ORDER TO BE ON THIS COMMISSION.

MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE LOOK AT HAVING SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT A PILOT WHO POTENTIALLY REPRESENTS THE INTERESTS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THIS COMMISSION.

THE OTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE--I'M ASSUMING THAT'S MY TIME THERE.

THE OTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT IN TERMS OF THIS CLASS C AIRSPACE THING IT SEEMS LIKE THE COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC, THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION OF THESE TCAS INCIDENTS.

THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE LOCAL FERNANDINA BEACH PAPER THAT MADE NO MENTION OF IT.

I RESPONDED TO THAT PARTICULAR ARTICLE WITH MY OWN LETTER TO THE EDITOR, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THAT THE FAA'S DESIRE TO MAKE THIS CHANGE.

WHAT UNDERLIES THAT IS SAFETY CONCERNS.

SAFETY CONCERNS AND THAT TCAS INCIDENTS I THINK MAYBE THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS, BUT YEAH.

I'M STILL GOOD, SAM.

THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WAS, BUT THERE IS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN. I DON'T HEAR THAT, HOWEVER, IN THE DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN, TCAS, WE DON'T GET TCAS REPORTS, OKAY, AND NOBODY IN THE CITY GETS THEM.

THAT'S AN FAA THING, AND THAT'S YOU CAN PETITION THEM.

I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TYPE DEAL WITH IT, BUT EVERY TCAS [INAUDIBLE] THAT YOU GET IS REPORTABLE, AND IT'S REPORTED BY THE FAA AND BY THE PILOTS, BUT THAT'S FAA SAFETY INFORMATION.

WHAT THEY DO WITH IT AND HOW THEY DISSEMINATE IT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT AIRPORT DIRECTORS DON'T GET.

THAT'S NOT A REPORT THAT HE WOULD GET.

I'LL INTERJECT ONE THING, TOO, ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND THIS IS A FEDERAL FAA PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

THEY INVITED US SPECIFIC STAKEHOLDERS TO PARTICIPATE IN, BUT BECAUSE IT IS FEDERAL, THERE WILL BE PUBLIC MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT AT SOME POINT TO THE FAA.

SAM, AM I ALLOWED TO RESPOND? NO. OKAY.

THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? THAT'S THE ONLY REQUEST I HAVE. OKAY.

CAN I MAYBE, JUST A HELPFUL COMMENT.

[INAUDIBLE] 32444 FERN PARKWAY, FERNANDINA BEACH.

ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT I THINK IS HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC, TOO, IS SO THE FAA, WHEN THEY PUT THE PROPOSAL TOGETHER THEY HAVE A VERY CONFINED VIEW OF WHAT THEY SEE FROM A CONTROLLING PERSPECTIVE.

THEY DON'T GENERALLY HAVE SOME OF THEM ARE PILOTS LOCALLY, BUT OVERALL THEY DON'T GENERALLY HAVE A VERY FINITE VIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOME OF THE AIRSPACE, LIKE THE UNCONTROLLED AIRSPACE AIRPORT ENVIRONMENT AND THAT'S WHERE THE AD HOC COMMITTEE PROCESS COMES FROM, WHICH IS, I THINK, AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT DISCUSSION.

I'M ONLY SAYING THIS TO HELP THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOW.

THEY ESSENTIALLY GO OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE FLYING PUBLIC, AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN SOME OF THIS AIRSPACE, LIKE AT YOUR AIRPORT IN AN UNCONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

CAN YOU TELL US THE BACK HALF OF THAT AND THAT'S WHERE THIS PROCESS WORKS WELL TOGETHER, I THINK, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THAT FLYING COMMUNITY, GIVING THEM THAT FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY MAKE THIS AIRSPACE CHANGE, THEY DON'T CREATE A NEW SAFETY PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW, THE TCAS IS ONE PROBLEM, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO CREATE A NEW PROBLEM BY CHANGING CHANGING THE AIRSPACE.

WITHOUT THAT FEEDBACK, I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW.

THAT'S KIND OF THE CONFINES OF HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IT WORKS THAT WAY.

SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, NATE.

I HAVE A COMMENT.

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I LIVE WITHIN A FEW MILES OF THE AIRPORT ALSO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS GOING AROUND IN NOISE ABATEMENT, IN THE PROCEDURES WITH WHAT THEY'RE HEARING ABOUT THE TCAS AND THE ALERT, BUT I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY, WHETHER I'M A PILOT OR NOT, ON THIS BOARD, TO TRY AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, MY NEIGHBORS AND THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH.

SO I THINK THAT REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT BE PILOTS OR ASSOCIATED WITH THE AIRPORT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WE ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND AND, YOU KNOW, WE RESPOND ACCORDINGLY TO HOW WE FEEL IS THE BEST IN OUR ABILITY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS BOARD.

THAT'S JUST A COMMENT. THAT'S ALL.

I GOT SOMETHING ON THAT.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION? I'M NOT MAKING A COMMENT, JUST A QUESTION.

THAT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH HIM, NOT US.

SAM. I'M SORRY.

WE MOVED ON TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

YEAH, IT WAS JUST ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE JUST SAID.

WHO'S ON THE MEMBERS OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE? THERE WAS A LIST MADE UP OF THE FAA.

THEY SENT ME AN INVITATION AS A STAKEHOLDER, OTHER AIRPORTS, AIRLINE REPRESENTATIVES.

AM I ALLOWED TO TALK.

YEAH. I'M SORRY. YOU WANT ME TO GO UP THERE? YES, PLEASE. I'LL ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS, AND, TOM, I WASN'T SURE IF I WAS ALLOWED.

THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS PUBLIC.

WE CAN GET YOU IF YOU WANT TO GET, SAM, YOUR INFORMATION, I'LL EMAIL YOU THE LIST OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.

THERE'S ABOUT 25 PEOPLE.

THAT'S EASY. I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.

REGARDING THE SAFETY ISSUE, AS NATE SAID, YES, AND I'M THE ONE WHO WROTE THE ARTICLE THAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS REFERRING TO.

THERE IS A OBVIOUSLY A SAFETY ISSUE FOR FOR COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS AND THE TCAS ALERTS AND ALL THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT AS NATE SAID, YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL YOU'RE NOT CREATING A DIFFERENT SAFETY ISSUE BY JAMMING A LOT OF AIRPLANES DOWN INTO A SMALLER AIRSPACE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS TRYING TO COME UP WITH.

WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR SAFETY ON ALL PARTIES, FOR ALL PARTIES, AND THE GOAL IS TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL THAT'S SATISFACTORY TO ALL PARTIES, SO EVERYONE GETS THE AIRSPACE AND THE SAFETY THEY NEED, BUT ALSO THE FREEDOM TO FLY AS THEY NEED TO FLY.

SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE AD HOC.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU JEFF.

THANKS, JEFF. I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK WHAT PRUDENCE SAID ABOUT THE.

I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION OR ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR OVER TEN YEARS, AND THE MAKEUP, YOU KNOW, COMES AND GOES.

PEOPLE LEAVE OR MOVE OUT AND MOVE TO THE COUNTY OR TURNS OUT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING IT ANYMORE FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT THERE WAS I KNOW OVER THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON THERE, THERE'S BEEN MEMBERS THAT WEREN'T PILOTS, WERE JUST MEMBERS OF THE YOU KNOW, THE FIRST REQUIREMENT IS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENT OF FERNANDINA, CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH BUT I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A CONCERTED EFFORT TO GET TO ENLIST PEOPLE THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT PILOTS.

SO THAT INPUT IS VOICED DURING THESE MEETINGS.

I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THE CURRENT COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE ANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE AN AVIATION CONNECTION; FROM MY VIEWPOINT, IT'S NEVER BEEN ANY CONCERTED EFFORT TO MAKE THAT EXCLUSIONARY TO ANYBODY ELSE.

AS A MEMBER OF THE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND TOM PISCATELLO, WHO'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, HE'S OUR COUNTY NON-VOTING MEMBER. SO WE HAVE INPUT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE CITY RESIDENTS AND A RECOGNITION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS PART OF THE COUNTY AS WELL.

THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. I MEAN, EVERYBODY THAT LIVES ON OR NEAR AMELIA ISLAND SHOULD HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN WHAT GOES ON AT THE AIRPORT.

IT DEPENDS ON WHO HAS THE TIME AND THE AND THE INCLINATION TO APPLY TO BE ON THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE PROCESS IS NOW, BUT ANYBODY THAT'S A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH IS WELCOME TO APPLY.

THANKS, CHUCK. ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM UP HERE? NEXT MEETING DATE?

[10. NEXT MEETING DATE]

AUGUST 6TH.

AUGUST WHAT? 8TH. IN THAT CASE, WE WILL OFFICIALLY ADJOURN THE MEETING.

THANK YOU ALL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.