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[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK, MAY 16TH.MS. SYLVIA, IF YOU CAN PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> IF YOU CAN JOIN US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> << FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME OUR NEW MEMBER, MS. VERONICA.
>> WELCOME. VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU.
SHE WILL BE OUR ALTERNATE NUMBER 2.
THAT'S PROBABLY SINCE MIKE SPINA IS NOT IN TODAY.
WE WILL BE SEATING MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] AS A VOTING MEMBER.
BOARD MEMBERS, DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS EARLIER?
>> I'M NOT SURE. I'VE TALKED TO JOHN A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I'M NOT SURE IT WAS ABOUT WHAT? HE'S GONE SO MANY TIMES. I'M SURE I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT SOMETHING.
>> I DID NOT SPEAK WITH JOHN PER SE, BUT I SPOKE WITH THE LESSEE, I DON'T KNOW, JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT ON THAT CASE.
>> I SPOKE WITH MS. GIBSON ABOUT NOT A PROJECT ON THIS AGENDA, BUT 102 SOUTH 10TH STREET.
>> I HAVE TO SAY I DID HAVE EXCHANGE WITH STAFF REGARDING ONE OF OUR CASES TONIGHT.
CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT'S THE JUDICIAL PROCEDURE?
>> GOOD EVENING, HARRISON POOL, FILLING IN FOR MS. BACH, WHO IS OUT THIS WEEK AS YOUR ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD.
THE CASES TONIGHT THAT ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED ARE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES.
FIRST, YOU'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION BY STAFF.
YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT ANY EVIDENCE OR TESTIMONY.
THEN ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN ALSO OFFER ANY EVIDENCE OR TESTIMONY.
THAT EVIDENCE CAN BE IN THE FORM OF WRITTEN DOCUMENTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OTHER EXHIBITS OR THAT ORAL TESTIMONY.
ANY INDIVIDUALS WISHING TO PRESENT THAT TESTIMONY WILL BE SWORN BY THE CLERK.
ANY PARTY THAT DISAGREES WITH AND WISHES TO APPEAL THE DECISION WILL HAVE 30 DAYS TO FILE THAT APPEAL WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT, AND THAT 30 DAYS WILL START UPON THE SIGNING OF THE FINAL ORDER BY THE CHAIR, USUALLY WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THE MEETING.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES BEING USED TONIGHT? THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ON THAT TOPIC, ANYONE THAT WILL BE SPEAKING TONIGHT, IF YOU CAN PLEASE RISE AND YOU WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> THANK YOU. NOW TO APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING,
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?>> I REVIEWED THEM. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND TO APPROVE COSA.
>>. APPROVED. LET'S START WITH THE FIRST CASE.
[5.1 HDC 2024-0006 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR CENTRE & FOURTH LLC, 15 S. 4TH STREET CONCEPTUAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 2-story mixed-use commercial structure. (Quasi-Judicial)]
WE HAVE AGC 2024-006. MS. GIBSON.WE HAVE A VARIETY OF CASES THIS EVENING FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.
WE'LL GET STARTED WITH ONE OF THE MORE EXCITING CHANGES TAKING PLACE AT THE CORNER OF FOURTH STREET AND CENTER AT 15 SOUTH 4TH STREET, EXCUSE ME.
TONIGHT, THE BOARD IS BEING REQUESTED TO CONSIDER AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW STRUCTURE INTENDED TO BE A NEW TWO-STORY MIXED USE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE THAT WILL CONTAIN BOTH RETAIL AND OFFICES AT APPROXIMATELY 5,000 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL.
HISTORICALLY, THE SITE HAS CONTAINED A STRUCTURE THAT WAS BUILT, I BELIEVE IN THE '60S TIME FRAME, AND IS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.
A SEPARATE ACTION FOR THE DEMOLITION WILL BE CONSIDERED AT THE TIME OF FINAL CONSIDERATION FOR THE FINAL PLAN AND REPLACED WITH THE NEW STRUCTURE.
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I APOLOGIZE, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH BOTH OF THESE MONITORS HERE GETTING ALL OF THE INFORMATION CONTAINED WITHIN MY NOTES SO I'M WINGING IT.THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE A STUCCO MATERIAL INTENDED TO MATCH THE STREETSCAPE WHICH CURRENTLY EXISTS WITHIN THIS AREA.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN OTHERWISE GET TO MY NOTES.
THE PRIMARY ENTRY BEING LOCATED ALONG SOUTH 4TH STREET.
HISTORICALLY WITHIN THIS AREA, WE WOULD HAVE SEEN A MIXTURE OF BOTH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOCATED ON THE SANBORN MAPS AND IS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE BACKUP MATERIALS TONIGHT.
I WAS ABLE TO OVERLAY SEVERAL OF THE SANBORN MAPS THAT SHOW THAT, AT ONE POINT, THERE WAS A SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE LOCATED HERE, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAD BAKERIES AND GROCERY STORES, AS WELL AS RETAIL ALONG THE SAME STREET FRONTAGE.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS INTENDED TO COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING STREETSCAPE THAT IS OUT THERE, BUT AT A TWO-STORY STRUCTURE.
HAVING ANALYZED THIS WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, STAFF IS ABLE TO COMPETENTLY ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL.
>> THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPH THAT YOU DISTRIBUTED.
>> I DID. I WILL TRY TO PULL IT UP FOR US SO THAT YOU CAN SEE A HISTORIC IMAGE.
>> APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS?
>> YES. JOSE MIRANDA, MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, 309 1/2 CENTER STREET, SUITE 206.
PRETTY STANDARD COMMERCIAL BUILDING RETAIL FIRST FLOOR, OFFICE SECOND FLOOR.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OR ABOUT TO GET STARTED ON SOME CONCEPTUAL PRICING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT BUDGET-WISE.
THAT'S GOING TO DICTATE WHAT OUR EXTERIOR FINISHES.
WE PLAYED AROUND WITH STUCCO AND BRICK OR SOME COMBINATION THEREOF.
PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN TERMS OF COMPATIBILITY WITH THE AREA.
I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO KELLY OR TO JOSE, BUT ON MOST OF THE PLANS, IT SHOWS A RECTANGULAR LOT.. THEN ON THE MANSI SURVEY, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE AN INVERTED L. YOU'VE GOT THIS LITTLE FLAG.
>> THERE IS A LITTLE PIECE OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY, WELL, IT'S GOT SOME EQUIPMENT ON IT THAT SERVICES THE TAVERN, BUT THAT IS OFFICIALLY OWNED BY THE LASEARS [PHONETIC].
>> THEN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S NOT SHOWN.
>> WELL, YEAH, WE WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD ANYTHING ON THAT LOT.
YES. WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN JUST THE PURE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL LOT, AND WE'VE MADE THE BUILDING LONG ENOUGH TO STILL ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE BACK OF HOUSE TRASH AND ALL OF THAT.
>> YOU'RE BASICALLY TAKING AWAY THAT PARKING AREA.
YOU'RE BRINGING THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY DOWN 4TH TO INCLUDE THAT PARKING LOT.
>> YEAH. I THINK THERE ARE FOUR SPACES THAT ARE PRIVATE SPACES THERE THAT ARE GOING AWAY.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I THOUGHT I'D GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ON THE RECORD AND LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE 3D MODEL IS SHOWN AS A WHITE CLAY MODEL AND IS NOT INTENDED TO SHOW COLOR.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WE WERE THINKING OF SALVAGING PARTS OF THE MODULAR BUILDING THAT'S ON THAT SITE.
[LAUGHTER] AND REPURPOSING THAT AS OUR CLADDING.
ANYWAY, PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP WITH THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION AND WE'VE HAD TO PUT OUT A LOT OF FLYERS.
I THINK WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE WILL PROBABLY NOT POST ANYTHING ON FACEBOOK UNTIL AFTER WE GET OUR APPROVAL.
>> WELL, I KNOW. WE'RE GOING TO GET IT EITHER WAY, BUT AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE SAVED OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT OF HARD BURDEN IN THE LAST WEEK.
>> IN ORDER TO QUILL ANY FEARS, TOO, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE COMPRESSORS WOULD BE HIDDEN BEHIND THE PARAPETS.
>> AND PUSH BACK PEAK ABOVE THE PUPPET.
>> CORRECT. THE BUILDING WILL NOT BE TOTALLY WHITE.
THE PERSON WALKING IN FRONT WILL NOT BE PALE.
>> YES. BUT IN OUR FINAL, WE WILL SUBMIT A COLOR PALETTE, AND WE WILL UPDATE THE RENDERING TO SHOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN CONTEXT.
>> ON THAT TOPIC I KNOW THE FINISH ON THE GROUND FLOOR, HE CALLS FOR PAINTED BRICK.
>> YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO PAINT IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A BRICK, IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL BRICK BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SOME BETTER DETAILING.
BUT THE BRICK QUESTION IS STILL, WE'RE WAITING FOR PRICING.
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IT MAY BECOME STUCCO, BUT IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT TEXTURE ON THAT FLOOR AND THEN GO SMOOTH AT THE SECOND FLOOR.AGAIN, THOSE THINGS WILL GEL AS WE PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN.
>> AT ONE POINT, [NOISE] I ALSO HAVE CONCEPTUALLY, I THINK ON THE NEXT PHASE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SIGNAGE FOR THE DIFFERENT STORES.
I KNOW THAT'S VERY PRELIMINARY, BUT I THINK IT WILL BE VERY RELEVANT BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE RANDOM SIGNS OR IF THEY WILL BE MORE STANDARDIZED.
>> CORRECT BECAUSE WE BASICALLY DESIGNED IT SO THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR FOUR RETAIL SPACES.
WILL IT BE FOUR INDIVIDUAL? PROBABLY NOT.
MORE LIKELY IT WILL EITHER BE TWO OR ONE RETAIL SPACE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE.
BUT WE CAN SHOW YOU WHERE WE PLAN TO PUT SIGNAGE DEPENDING ON WHICH BUSINESSES THEY ARE LEASED OUT.
I THINK THE DESIGN IT'S APPROPRIATE AND IT'S SCALED IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT CORNER AND HERE'S THE CORNER WELL.
MY CONCERN WOULD ALSO BE THE PAINTED BRICK THAT'S A FIX IN THE END.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S WHY I THINK WE DECIDED TO BACK OFF BECAUSE NOT ONLY WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID THIN BRICK BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THIN BRICK AND IF WE'RE GOING TO USE BRICK, IT WILL BE REAL, BUT WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, OUR FINISHED MATERIALS IT'S RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND WE GOT A PLAN ON FIVE INCHES, FOUR INCHES OF BRICK IN AN AIR SPACE BEFORE WE HIT OUR STRUCTURES.
IT ALL FACTORS INTO USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND COSTS.
SO WE WILL GET THAT GELED AS WE PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN.
>> DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF TENANTS, YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE THAT KELLY WAS REFERRING TO ON FOURTH STREET, AND THAT'S FOR THE OFFICE ABOVE?
>> THAT IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE OFFICES ABOVE AND THEN, FOUR OR FIVE EGRESS DOORS ON THE FIRST LEVEL?
>> YES, CORRECT. AND IT MAY BE THAT THOSE EGRESS DOORS BECOME JUST MORE DISPLAY WINDOWS, DEPENDING ON HOW THE RETAIL TENANTS ARE PARTITIONED.
THERE'S NO NEED TO HAVE FOUR OPERATING DOORS IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE TENANT.
>> DID YOU LOSE WALL SPACE PLUS THAT'S ON THE EXTRA SIGNAGE?
>> YES. EXACTLY. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT GET GELLED AS WE PROCEED.
>> JUST ONE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE GENERAL TIME FRAME?
>> WE ARE NOT EXPECTED TO START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL LATE 2025 AT THE EARLIEST.
>> 2025. YES. I THINK JONES GOT HIS HAND FULL WITH CENTER AND THIRD.
WHAT IS THE PARK POCKET PARK PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED FIRST AND BUILT FIRST? SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET CONCEPTUAL NOW SO THAT WE CAN PLAN OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND TRC PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
>> GUYS, WE NEED A CORNER WITHOUT SCAFFOLDING AROUND HERE.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR HUSSAE, OR MS. GIBSON? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? HEARING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> IF IT'S THE CONTEXT, IF IT'S THE HEIGHT, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME.
>> THERE WAS A TOOTH STRUCTURE.
WHAT'S THAT PHRASE THAT SPINO ALWAYS USES? IT'S LIKE FILLING IN OF WHERE A BROKEN TOOTH WAS.
IT'S BRINGING THE STREETSCAPE AND THE LANDSCAPE VIEW OF THE SKYLINE BACK INTO CONTEXT.
>> YEAH, LIKE ALWAYS THE ELEVATION OF THE WHOLE STREET THAT REALLY NAILS IT AND MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN SEE THE CONTEXT OF THE WHOLE STREET.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0006 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. THAT'S CONCEPTUAL.
AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2024-0006, AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE BY MS. KOSACK.
SECOND, POINTER. MS. ZURI, YOU CAN YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[5.2 HDC 2024-0007 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR RUTH MAESTRE, 11 S. 7TH STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct additions in rear of principal structure. (Quasi- Judicial)]
2024-007. AND THIS ONE.[00:15:10]
YOU RUN DIRECT TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONS TO THE REAR OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
>> THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT AT 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET WISHES TO HAVE FINAL APPROVAL OF A PRIOR DESIGN CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED IN APRIL OF 2022, TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY BATH AND CLOSET ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING BEDROOM WING, A ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING KITCHEN AND A ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE STUDY.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN INDICATED HERE SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THOSE ADDITIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE OVERALL STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS FOR THOSE ADDITIONS AND STAFF HAS ANALYZED THIS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE [NOISE] DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO ISSUE A FINAL APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON?
>> I'LL JUST PULL UP THE SEAT TO THE MICROPHONE.
JOSE MIRANDA, MARANDA ARCHITECTS 3.5 CENTER STREET, SUITE 206.
THIS IS BASICALLY OUR COA EXPIRED.
SO WE'VE COME BACK, AS YOU KNOW, PAUL LAURIE AND RUTH MESTRE THIS IS A LABOR LOVE, AND THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF THE SWEAT EQUITY THEMSELVES.
SO IT'S TAKEN THEM A WHILE TO GET TO THIS POINT.
WE'VE ALREADY RECONSTRUCTED THE FRONT PORCHES.
THERE'S PAINT ON THE BUILDING NOW, WHICH IS HELPING BUY US SOME TIME, AND NOW WE WANT TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL ADDITIONS, WHICH ARE HAPPENING AT THREE LOCATIONS.
SO IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE'RE JUST COMING IN FOR DOTTING THE EYES AND CROSSING THE TREES AS WE MOVE AHEAD.
>> IF I REMEMBER, THERE'S NO CHANGES FROM WHAT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED.
>> ORIGINALLY THIS IS [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, WE HAD TO REAPPLY AS A NEW COA BECAUSE IT HAD ALREADY EXPIRED.
WE DIDN'T EXTEND IT LONG ENOUGH AND BECAUSE OF THE TIMING, IT JUST DIDN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE GOOD FOR A YEAR AND THEY CAN EXTEND TWICE FOR SIX MONTHS.
>> WELL, WE WERE ALREADY PAST THAT.
SO WE SAID, LET'S JUST START OVER AND JUST GET IN FOR APPROVAL, SO WE'RE CLEAR.
>> I'LL STILL CONGRATULATE YOU FOR A GREAT DESIGN.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, AND I REALIZED THAT YOU'RE SALVAGING MOST OF THE WINDOWS.
>> IN SUCH A BIG RENOVATION, YOU'RE ONLY USING SIX NEW WINDOWS.
>> SO TO ME, THAT'S [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. I KNOW PAUL AND RUTH, AS YOU KNOW, THEY ARE ALL IN ON THIS, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SALVAGE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.
THERE'S NO SENSE BUYING NEW IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESTORE AND REUSE WHAT'S THERE.
>> QUESTION OR COMMENT, MAYBE FOR MS. GIBSON.
WAS THE HEARTY SIDING PREVIOUSLY APPROVED?
>> IF I MAY, IF YOU NOTICE ON THE BACK ADDITION, THE SIDING IS HEARTY, BUT ALSO IT'S OFFSETS [OVERLAPPING] SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD DETAIL.
>> YEAH, I THINK WE FOLLOW THE PROTOCOL OF NOT MATCHING THE EXISTING AND SINCE ALL THE NEW STUFF WILL BE HEARTY, YES, WE'RE FIXING THE OLD SIDING WHERE WE CAN AND REUSING THOSE AREAS THAT WE'RE PHYSICALLY COVERING WITH AN ADDITION FOR PATCHING AND REPAIRING THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
>> I THINK I PROBABLY SAID THIS LAST TIME WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMPLEMENT THE FACT THAT THIS THING IS DESIGNED WITH PIERS OFF GRADE FRAMED, THAT THERE'S THE BACKUP DRAWINGS THAT SHOW US HOW IT'S PUT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS AND UNDERSTAND THAT THE IMAGE FOR THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS SUPPORTED BY SECTION DETAILS AND THE CALL OUT SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DETERMINE THAT HEY, THIS THING IS GOING TO ACTUALLY GET BUILT THE WAY THAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
I'M SURE I SAID THAT LAST TIME BUT I WANT TO SAY IT AGAIN. [LAUGHTER]
>> THE BEST PART IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO FOLLOW RUTH YOU THINK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHILD THERE.
>> YOU'RE QUITE CARING TO PEOPLE.
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>> I JUST GOT SOME REALLY NEAT NEWS.
>> GOOD EVENING. GOOD AFTERNOON.
PAUL LAURIE, 11 SOUTH 7TH STREET.
FIRST, FOR THE RECORD, I'M TRYING TO BEAT TAMMY IN BEING THE LONGEST RESTORATION PROJECT EVER, AND JOSE DOESN'T KNOW THIS EITHER, BUT TRYING TO RETAIN AND BE THE LONGEST PERSON THAT'S EVER HAD AN ARCHITECT IN THE WORLD WITH THE BIGGEST BILL.
HOPEFULLY, I WON'T BITE IT ON ANY OF THESE ROWS, AND I'LL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE HOUSE.
I ALWAYS WORRY ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HAD SOME REALLY NEAT NEWS THE OTHER DAY.
ONE OF THE GREAT GREAT GRANDDAUGHTERS OF SENATOR THOMPSON CAME BY DURING SHRIMP FEST.
SHE SHARED SOME INFORMATION THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LIKE HISTORY BUFFS.
RUTH AND I THOUGHT THAT THE BACK HERE BECAUSE IT WAS DETACHED FROM THE HOUSE, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE SUMMER KITCHEN.
THEN WHEN WE FOUND THAT FLOATING CHIMNEY, SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT THE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE SHED, THIS RIGHT HERE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS AN OFFICER, BUT THE GREAT GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER SAID THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE SUMMER KITCHEN, THAT THERE WAS A DOOR, WHICH WE CAN SEE THAT WAS RIGHT THERE, AND SHE SAID THAT WAS IT.
THEN SHE USED TO RUN BETWEEN THE LUCY HOUSE AND THE THOMPSON HOUSE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY NEAT.
THEN ANOTHER REALLY NEAT FEATURE THAT WE DISCOVERED, SINCE RUTH AND I ARE PLAYING FOR OLD AGE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS DOWN HERE THE MASTER BEDROOM.
WHAT THE GREAT GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER SAID, ORIGINALLY IN THE HOME, THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BEDROOM.
IT'S NEAT THAT THAT HAS FELL BACK THAT WAY.
THE OTHER NEAT FEATURE, AND I'LL END, IS WHEN SHE CAME OVER, WE TOOK HER IN THE HOUSE AND SHE GOT ALL JAZZED AND SHE CALLED UP HER MOM.
THEY LIVE IN SAVANNAH. THEN HER MOM HAD A BUNCH OF STORIES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS, BUT SHE WAS SAYING THAT SENATOR THOMPSON WHEN HE PASSED, HE PASSED AWAY FROM GANGRENE, HE THOUGHT THERE WAS A THIEF IN THE HOUSE.
HE GOT A GUN, SHOT HIMSELF, AND THEN DIDN'T DIE FROM THE GUNSHOT WOUND, BUT ACTUALLY DIED FROM THE GANGRENE FROM THE WOUND.
SHE WAS A WEALTH OF INFORMATION.
SHE PROMISED US THAT WE WOULD SET UP LIKE A TELCON AND WE WOULD COORDINATE AND TRY TO GET A LOT OF HISTORY IN THE HOUSE.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF PHOTOS, SO SHE'S GOING TO TRY TO COLLECT THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU WOULD ALL LIKE THAT. THANK YOU.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? MOVE TO BOARD THESE QUESTIONS? STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU MOVE.
>> I'LL MAKE YOUR MOTION. I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0007 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2024-0007 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVED BY MR. PERZETTA [PHONETIC], SECOND BY MS. FILKOV [PHONETIC]. MS. SYLVIA.
>> VICE CHAIR SKUSSA [PHONETIC].
>> YES. MOVED. NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS AGC 2024-008,
[5.3 HDC 2024-0008 - TILTON CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, AGENT FOR BLUE HERON INN BNB LLC, 102 S. 7TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to replace front decking with TimberTech Landmark hardwood, replace vinyl siding with Hardie to match, and repaint to match. (Quasi-Judicial)]
TILTON CONSTRUCTION AGENT 4, 102 SOUTH 7TH STREET.THIS CASE INVOLVES CHANGE OF MATERIAL FOR A FRONT PORCH FEATURE AT AN EXISTING BED AND BREAKFAST TO REPLACE THE FRONT DECKING WITH TIMBER TECH HARDWOOD PLANKS AND CHANGE SOME OF THE EXISTING VINYL SIDING WITH HARDIE PLANK PAINTED TO MATCH THE SAME COLOR AS PRESENTLY THERE.
THE MAIN REASON THAT THIS IS COMING TO THE BOARD TONIGHT IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL.
HAD THIS BEEN A CHANGE WITH THE SAME MATERIAL, YOU WOULDN'T SEE IT HERE THIS EVENING BECAUSE THE REQUEST IS REALLY TO CONSIDER USE OF AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL.
I KNOW THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THIS, BUT JUST YESTERDAY, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND A CLG PRESENTATION WHERE THEY WENT INTO GREAT DETAIL ABOUT A RECENT PRESERVATION BRIEF ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE THAT REALLY GOES INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF SUBSTITUTE MATERIALS.
WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT FOR ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE ALONGSIDE
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THE EXISTING DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR CONSIDERATION OF THIS MATERIAL.IN LOOKING AT ALTERNATE MATERIALS, THE GUIDANCE AND SUMMARY REALLY SPEAKS TO MAKING SURE THAT YOU'VE DOCUMENTED THE EXISTING MATERIALS THAT WERE THERE AND THAT YOU HAVE A FULL SCOPE OF WHAT IS TO BE CHANGED.
THEN IN CONSIDERATION OF AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL, THINKING ABOUT THE MATCHING APPEARANCE OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL, LOOKING AT MATCHING THE PHYSICAL PROPERTIES OF THE HISTORIC MATERIAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF EMPHASIS, AS YOU READ THROUGH THAT FULL BRIEF ON THE PERFORMANCE OF THE MATERIAL OVER TIME IN CONTEXT WITH THE USE OF THE STRUCTURE.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF EMPHASIS AS YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THAT FULL BRIEF ON SUSTAINABILITY OF MATERIALS AND DURABILITY, WHICH LEADS THEM, I THINK, IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN HAS BEEN PAST PRACTICE FOR USE OF ALTERNATE MATERIALS IN ALLOWING FOR MORE RESILIENT MATERIALS THAT ARE READILY AVAILABLE TODAY.
I SAY THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THERE IS CONTAINED, WITHIN THE BRIEFING DISCUSSION OF THE COMPOSITE MATERIALS, SPECIFIC TO DECKING.
IT DOESN'T GET INTO A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THAT OF AN IMPORTANT FEATURE OR PROMINENT FEATURE OF A STRUCTURE VERSUS THE SIDE OR REAR FEATURES.
THAT'S WHERE WE RELY ON THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.
WITHIN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WE HAVE IN PLACE, IT DOES GIVE YOU THAT DISTINCTION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE LOOKING AT A PROMINENT FRONT FEATURE VERSUS A SIDE OR REAR FEATURE WHERE YOU MAY CONSIDER USE OF THAT MATERIAL.
ANOTHER POINT WOULD BE THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING MATERIAL AND WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE REPLACED IN KIND WITH THE MATERIALS THAT ARE NOT OF COMPOSITE NATURE.
THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING FOR THE APPLICANT TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH IT IS IN DISREPAIR AND NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE CURRENT USE OF THAT STRUCTURE.
THE REQUESTED MATERIAL THIS EVENING IS FOR WHAT IS UP ON YOUR SCREEN AND HIGHLIGHTED, THE CASTLE GATE.
I INDICATED IT BEFORE THAT IT'S NOT TREX, A DIFFERENT BRAND MATERIAL, CROSS CUT HARDWOOD WITH THE INTENT TO RESEMBLE HARDWOOD.
IN TALKING WITH OTHER PROFESSIONALS ABOUT USE OF THIS MATERIAL, PARTICULARLY ON A FRONT FEATURE, I DID REACH OUT TO ONE JUST TO GET A SENSE OF HOW TO HANDLE A REQUEST LIKE THIS.
THEIR UNDERSTANDING WAS VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE RECENT BRIEF THAT INDICATES THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE USE OF THAT STRUCTURE TODAY AND HOW FREQUENTLY IT'S BEING UTILIZED.
IN THIS CASE, IT IS A BED AND BREAKFAST, WHERE YOU HAVE LOTS OF TRAFFIC AND PARTICULARLY ON THAT FRONT PORCH ROUTINELY.
IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL, BUT FOR THE EDGING, THE TRIMMING OF IT, IT SHOULD BE A HARDWOOD MATERIAL THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TYPICALLY SEEN TO MASK THE APPEARANCE OF THAT ALTERNATE MATERIAL.
JUST SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION AND DELIBERATION THIS EVENING.
BECAUSE CERTAINLY WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES, THERE IS A CLEAR DISTINCTION YOU SHOULD NOT BE USING AN ALTERNATE MATERIAL, WHICH IS WHY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL.
HOWEVER, IT REALLY IS UP FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION TO DISCUSS THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING PORCH AND THE MATERIALS THAT ARE THERE AND THE BASIS FOR THE REQUEST AND HOW THAT MAY APPEAR ON THE OVERALL STRUCTURE.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GIBSON?
>> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE SIDING AS WELL OR WE'RE JUST DEALING WITH THE DECK PORTION?
>> THE SIDING IS REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING VINYL SIDING.
I KNOW THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE EXACT LOCATIONS OF WHERE THAT IS.
>> THERE WAS SOME CONFLICTING INFORMATION.
IS IT THE ENTIRE COMPOUND? IS IT ONE WALL? SOME MORE SPECIFICITY ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THE CURRENT DESIGN GUIDELINES PROHIBIT THE USE OF ALTERNATE MATERIALS ON THE FRONT?
>> THEY DON'T PROHIBIT THE USE OF ALTERNATE MATERIALS, BUT YES, ON THE FEATURES SUCH AS THAT PROMINENT FEATURE, AND IN THIS CASE, A PROMINENT FEATURE BEING THAT FRONT PORCH FOR THAT STRUCTURE, IT WOULD DISCOURAGE.
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>> THE REWRITE OF THE GUIDELINES.
HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED AT ALL?
>> IN THE REWRITE OF THE GUIDELINES, KNOWING THAT THIS CASE WAS COMING FORWARD AND THINKING ABOUT USE OF ALTERNATE MATERIALS GENERALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT, THAT HAS BEEN AN EMPHASIS THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM FOR INFORMATION ON, AND SO IT WAS A POINT OF DISCUSSION TO SEE HOW DO WE TREAT THESE OVER TIME?
>> COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN, THE GROUP THAT PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION TO YOU?
>> WELL, HE WAS MARQUIS LUDERMERN HOLBACK [PHONETIC].
>> IT WASN'T THE FLORIDA TRUST OR ANYBODY THAT'S ENGAGED PURELY IN RESERVATION?
>> WELL, IN TERMS OF THE RECENT BRIEFING AND THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED, THAT DID COME FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE THROUGH A CLG PRESENTATION YESTERDAY.
ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES I HAD REVIEWING THIS WAS, WE WEREN'T PRESENTED WITH ANY PHOTOS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS OR A VERY ACCURATE DESCRIPTION WHEN IT SAYS REPLACE VINYL SIDING WHERE IT IS BASED.
TAMMY ALREADY HINTED AT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL EVEN IF IT WAS JUST A SKETCH PLAN THAT SAYS THIS WALL, THIS WALL, THIS WALL NEEDS TO GET NEW SIDING.
REALLY, I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THAT VINYL SIDING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE PUTTING HARDIE ON IF IT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO RIP OFF MAYBE SOMETHING EXISTING-
>> TO ME, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN QUITE A BIT MORE INFORMATION IN THE APPLICATION SO WE COULD REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE WE'RE APPROVING.
>> AT THE RISK OF [INAUDIBLE] MR. MIRANDA, CAN I?
>> OLIVER TILTON, TILTON CONSTRUCTION SERVICES 1417 SADLER ROAD, NUMBER 423.
NO, DON'T LEAVE. I WANTED YOU TO STAY.
[LAUGHTER] I AM THE CONTRACTOR. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BLUE HERON LLC.
THEY PURCHASED THE INN. THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT.
THEY WANTED TO BE HERE, BUT THEY HAD SOME HEALTH ISSUES, SO THEY WERE DEALING WITH THAT.
WE ACTUALLY DID TRY TO HIRE AN ARCHITECT, SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO BE GREAT AT IT.
BUT WE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE GETTING SOMEBODY ON BOARD THAT COULD MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE NEEDED TO BECAUSE THEY JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
I ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING PORCHES.
WE'LL START WITH THE PORCHES IF THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE WERE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING DECKING AT THE BLUE HERON SOUTH QUARTER DECKING, WHICH IS NOT TONGUE AND GROOVE AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT HISTORIC.
I THINK THERE'S A CLOSER PICTURE.
YEAH. THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY REPLACED.
THE DECKING HAD BEEN REPLACED IN THIS PORCH, AND PROBABLY IN THE 80S OR SOMETHING, MAYBE THE 90S.
I DON'T KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY COATS OF PAINT THEY HAVE ON IT.
IT'S CRACKING. WE'VE GOT GAPS.
WE WANTED TO GO WITH A TONGUE-AND-GROOVE PRODUCT I THINK.
IS THERE ANOTHER ONE OF THE WILLIAMS HOUSE?
>> I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR PROPERTY.
>> THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A HISTORIC PROPERTY WITH THE TONGUE AND GROOVE ON THE DECKING.
THERE'S PROBABLY 15 COATS OF PAINT ON THERE, BUT THESE DECKS ARE STILL HOLDING UP BECAUSE THOSE BOARDS, THEY WERE CUT FROM FOREST THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYMORE, SO THAT PRODUCT IS NOT REALLY AVAILABLE.
TO GET THAT WOOD, YOU GOT TO SEE THIS WHEN WE GET INTO OLD HOUSES AND YOU GET A REAL [INAUDIBLE].
THEY DON'T MAKE THE REAL [INAUDIBLE] ANYMORE.
THOSE OLD TIMBERS STILL HOLD UP BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE WOOD, THE TIGHTNESS OF THE GRAIN.
THIS ONE IS HOLDING UP, BUT THIS ISN'T WHAT WE HAVE.
NOW, THE OWNERS WANTED TO DO THE SYNTHETIC ROUTE, AND I KNEW WE'D HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT, PLUS, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT. YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT? IT IS PASSING AROUND THIS WAY.
THAT TONGUE GROOVE PRODUCT, IT'S SYNTHETIC.
IT'S FULL SYNTHETIC AND IT'S TONGUE AND GROOVE.
I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE PHOTO OF A HOUSE DOWNTOWN THAT HAS IT. NOW THE NEXT ONE.
>> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY ON ASH STREET.
REMEMBER WHERE THEY TORE DOWN SOMETHING AND THEY BUILT THAT NEW HOUSE ON ASH? THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. NOW, THEY'RE SHOWING THE EDGE GRAIN.
>> WHAT KELLY WAS SAYING, IF WE PUT A BANDBOID AT THE EDGE GRAIN, YOU'D NEVER SEE THAT EDGE GRAIN.
FROM THE STREET, YOU WOULD JUST SEE THAT IT'S TONGUE AND GROOVE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY SAMPLE WE COULD GET IN THAT TONGUE AND GROOVE PRODUCT.
>> CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PORTION ABOUT THE TONGUE AND GROOVE?
>> IF YOU PUT A FACE BOARD ON IT.
IF I'LL PUT A FACE BOARD ON IT, YOU WON'T SEE THE EDGE GRAIN.
>> ARE YOU PROPOSING THE FACE BOARD OR NOT?
>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, AT THIS POINT, SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO?
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THEY WANTED TO GO THIS ROUTE, SO WE SAID, LOOK, LET'S APPLY.LET'S GO TALK TO THEM, AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
IF WE CAN USE THE TONGUE AND GROOVE, EITHER WAY, WE'D PROBABLY LIKE AN EDGE BOARD SO YOU DON'T SEE THE END RAIN.
WE CAN CAP IT, WHETHER WE GO BACK WITH A WOOD PRODUCT OR WHATEVER WE USE SO THAT YOU DON'T SEE THAT END GRAIN WHEN YOU STEP UP.
>> IF YOU WERE USING THAT FACE BOARD, IT WOULD ALMOST BE LIKE A FACIA THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON IT, AND THEN YOU WOULD ELIMINATE AN OVERHANG EXCEPT FOR THE DEPTH OF THE FACE BOARD AND HOWEVER.
>> OBVIOUSLY, WE REMOVE THESE LACKERS.
WHEN WE TAKE THESE UP AND WE PUT A FACIA BOARD UP HERE AND RUN THE DECKING DIRECTLY UP TO IT.
NOW, THIS PORCH DOES RECEIVE HIGH TRAFFIC AND THE RAILING IS THERE NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE WAS ORIGINAL BASED ON THE MATERIALS THAT ARE THERE, BUT WE WERE PLANNING ON SAVING ALL THAT RAILING.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE COLUMNS.
WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OFF.
REDO THAT, AND THEN WE'D PUT THE RAILING BACK.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH.
>> IS THIS PROPOSED FOR BOTH THE RESIDENCE AND THE INN OR JUST THE INN? SINCE THE RESIDENCE IS THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH.
>> THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO BOTH.
WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO AND ANYTHING THAT WE DO MOVING FORWARD, AND THEY KNOW THIS IS A LONG PROCESS WHEN THEY BOUGHT THIS PLACE.
I DON'T THINK THEY KNEW QUITE HOW IN DEPTH THIS WOULD BE, BUT THEY WANT TO KEEP BOTH OF THOSE HOUSES LOOKING THE SAME.
WHATEVER WE DO TO ONE, THEY WANT TO DO TO THE OTHER.
WE JUST RECENTLY GOT THE ROOF, PUT ONTO THE RESIDENCE, WHICH MATCHES THE ROOF ON THE INN.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP BOTH OF THEM.
WE PUT A METAL ROOF ON THE RESIDENCE.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP BOTH OF THEM TO WHERE THEY THEY LOOK LIKE A COUPLE.
>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT IS ON THE MARKET IF YOU GUYS DECIDED TO GO THE WOODEN ROUTE? WHAT IS ON THE MARKET THAT RESEMBLES AS CLOSELY AS THE HISTORIC MARKET?
>> FOR TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD.
WE CAN GET TONGUE AND GROOVE WOOD.
YOU ABSOLUTELY STILL CAN GET IT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO PAINT IT. IT'S OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WAS AVAILABLE.
>> IS ONE INCH TONGUE AND GROOVE FINE?
>> YEAH. WE CAN GET ONE INCH FINE AND WE CAN PAINT IT.
IF YOU FEEL THE TOP OF THOSE, THE GOAL HERE WAS BECAUSE OF DURABILITY AND BECAUSE OF HIGH TRAFFIC IN AND OUT AND PEOPLE HAVE BREAKFAST ON THIS PORCH.
THE GOAL WAS TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PAINTED EVERY YEAR, THAT WOULD STAND UP.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN AND PULL BOARDS OUT.
IF YOU GO AROUND TOWN, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE PORCHES, THEY'RE BUCKLING AND YOU GOT TO COME IN, YOU GOT TO TAKE A BOARD OUT.
IF WE TOOK IT OFF AND WE REPLACED THE DECKING THROUGH HERE, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND KEEP PICKING AT IT.
BUT IF WE GET DENIED, WE'RE PUTTING WOOD ON IT.
WE HAVE WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OFF, THE FIVE QUARTER BOARD OF THE DECK.
>> MOVE ON TO THE VINYL IF EVERYBODY'S DONE WITH THE DECKING.
CURRENTLY, THIS HOUSE IS COMPLETELY COVERED IN VINYL ALL THE WAY AROUND.
THIS ONE IS NOT, AND THIS ONE HAS WOOD SITE IN MOST PLACES.
>> ON THE BACK, THERE'S A FEW PIECES I'VE ALREADY STITCHED IN.
>> THIS ONE IS COVERED IN VINYL, AND BASED ON WHAT WE CAN SEE UP UNDERNEATH OR WHATEVER WE CAN GET ON THE SIDES, AND THEN CRAWLING AROUND ON THE ATTIC, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT SIDINGS, AND IN SOME PLACES THERE'S NONE.
I FULLY EXPECT WHEN WE TAKE OFF THIS VINYL IN SOME PLACES, WE'RE GOING TO SEE, AND I'VE ALREADY SEEN IT.
I'VE SEEN THAT BLUE STYROFOAM BOARD AND THEN STUDS, AND I GUESS THE SIDING WAS GONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS TORN OFF OR HOW MANY TIMES IT'S BEEN ADDED ONTO, BUT FOR UNITY AND PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER, OUR FIRST THOUGHT WAS, WELL, IF WE CAN PUT, ALREADY LAP SIDING ALL THE WAY AROUND IT TO MATCH THIS AND PAINT THE SAME COLOR, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE BEST ROUTE, UNLESS YOU SAY NO.
>> ARE THOSE ORIGINAL WINDOWS?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS GOT [OVERLAPPING].
>> VINYL WOOD? WHAT ARE THOSE?
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW A LOT OF THIS STUFF GOT DONE.
>> LOOKS LIKE VINYL SOFFIT TOO.
>> SORRY. WOULD YOU'D GO WITH A PERFORATED HARDIE SOFFIT?
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO DO HARDIE OR?
>> BE REALLY COOL IF WE LEFT EXPOSED AND PAINT IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UP THERE.
>> WELL, WHAT DECKING ARE WE GOING TO GET INTO WHEN WE FIND THE ROOF?
>> THIS IS MY FIRST TIME MEETING YOU GUYS, BUT THIS WILL NOT BE MY LAST.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROCESS AND I PREPARED THEM FOR THAT.
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I SAID, LOOK, WE'LL DIVE INTO IT, AND WE'LL START SEEING NOW WHERE WE CAN GO AND WHAT WE CAN DO.THERE ARE SOME WINDOW UNITS CURRENTLY.
I CAN'T SEE THAT FROM HERE, MAYBE, BUT THEY'VE GOT SOME WINDOW UNIT AIR CONDITIONERS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IF WE CAN TAKE OFF OF ASIDE, EXPOSE EVERYTHING.
WE CAN RUN SOME LINE SETS, WE CAN PUT SOME LITTLE MINI SPLITS IN THESE ROOMS AND GET THOSE WINDOW UNITS OUT.
SIDING, DECKING, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO KEEP THIS HOUSE FROM SLIPPING AWAY FROM US.
WHILE IT MAINTAINS BEING AN END, THEY WANT TO TRY AND FIND TWO OR THREE WEEKS AND DO THE WORK AND THEN STOP, GO BACK AND PLAN, GET MORE APPROVALS, GET MORE DRAWINGS, AND THEN DO SOME MORE WORK AND SO.
>> THE SCOPE IS SOMEWHAT VAGUE, BUT THE INTENT IS TO REMOVE ALL OF THE VINYL SIDING ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS AND REPLACE ALL OF IT?
>> IF WE CAN, WE WON'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT IF THAT GETS APPROVED, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH US TAKING OFF THE VINYL AND PUTTING ON HARDIE SIDING, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, NOW WE'VE GOT TO STAGE IT.
HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVEN'T QUOTED ANYTHING.
THE OWNERS HAVE ASKED ME. THEY SAID, WELL, CAN YOU QUOTE IT? I SAID, NO, I CAN'T QUOTE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO YET.
>> IT'S A CORNER OF PROPERTY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE FOR ANYTHING VINYL ON THE OTHER ON THE EDGE STREET SIDE.
>> NO. WHEN WE START TAKING OFF VINYL, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OFF ALL OF THE VINYL.
>> THEN THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF, I CAN'T TELL IF THOSE WINDOWS ARE WRAPPED AND CASED AND VINYL AS WELL, BUT THIS IS THE DOMINO EFFECT.
THEN WHAT IS YOUR WINDOW DETAIL? WILL YOU GO BACK WITH SILLS? WILL YOU HAVE CASED WINDOWS? ARE YOU CHANGING WINDOWS? WILL WE HAVE VINYL, HARDIE?
>> WELL, IF WE GET APPROVED FOR HARDIE, THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY GET A WINDOW DETAIL.
I THINK THERE'S A COMBINATION.
THERE'S A COMBINATION OF ALUMINUM TRIMS IN HERE AND VINYL.
OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE GET BACK THROUGH HERE AND YOU GO BACK, YOU CAN SEE HOW DEEP IT IS, THESE WINDOWS ARE SET DEEP.
THERE IS ROOM TO TAKE SOME OF THIS STUFF OFF.
WE'VE GOT A HODGEPODGE OF MATERIALS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CONSOLIDATE AND GET IT ALL INTO ONE.
>> I'M SENSING FROM THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IS WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF UNEASE SAYING, SURE, GO AHEAD, WHEN WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING BECAUSE THIS COULD EASILY SUDDENLY ALL THE WINDOWS AND DOOR.
ALL THE TRIM COMES OFF, THEN WHAT GOES ON IN ITS PLACE? THAT'S NOT REALLY DEFINED.
WHAT SHAPE IS IT? WHAT PATTERN IS IT? I SAW IN SOME OF THE SUBMITTAL MATERIALS, IT LOOKED LIKE AZEK TRIM.
BUT YOU'RE SPEAKING HARDIE TRIM, THEY LOOK DIFFERENT.
THEY ARE MANIPULATED DIFFERENTLY.
>> I THINK AZEK IS STRICTLY FOR THE DECK.
>> OKAY. I KNOW I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE HAD MORE DEFINITION OF EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? NOT SO OPEN ENDED.
BECAUSE WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU PEEL OFF THE VINYL AND SUDDENLY FIND ONE OF THE WALLS IS ALL HISTORIC WOOD.
HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT IF WE JUST REFINISH THIS WOOD, WE HAVE A HISTORIC WOOD WALL THAT CAN BE DISPLAYED AND SHOWN.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF INVESTIGATING, LIKE PULLING OFF A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT YOU GOT? BECAUSE I THINK WHAT THIS BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT IF SCHEDULE.
IF IT DICTATES THAT WE HAVE TO GET WINDOWS.
THESE ARE THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE.
THIS IS A TYPE OF TRIM THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE, IF WE HAVE TO DO IT AND DO A SCENARIO FOR US OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET INTO THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO FIND STUFF.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EITHER KEEP COMING BACK TO US OR YOU CAN SAY THIS IS 100% OF THE PLAN, OR IF WE FIND GOOD STUFF, THEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THE REST OF IT AND WORK AWAY THAT WAY.
>> INCLUDE SOME ELEVATIONS WITH THOSE SHUTTERS.
WE HAVE POTENTIAL DIFFERENT COSTS.
THEY MIGHT GO IN THERE AND SAY, WELL, THESE SHUTTERS NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT UP, SO WE'RE NOT GOING BACK WITH INAPPROPRIATE SHUTTERS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN'T JUST SAY, GREAT, PUT VINYL OR PUT HARDIE UP, AND WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULE OR DETAIL OF WHAT IS GOING WHERE.
>> JENNIFER OUR PREFACES REALLY TRY TO GET AN ARCHITECT TO DO THIS FOR ME, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THIS.
>> THIS IS ALREADY AN ARCHITECT.
>> BUT THIS IS WHAT I WANTED. I WANTED TO GET THIS FEEDBACK AND KNOW SO I CAN GO BACK AND TELL THE OWNERS, HEY, LOOK, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE AT, LET'S GO THROUGH THIS.
WE ARE STILL ACTIVELY PURSUING AN ARCHITECT.
MR. MIRANDA RAN OUT ON THIS, BUT I THINK HE SAID, CALL ME, WHAT DID YOU SAY, LATE 2025 AND THAT OTHER PROJECT'S DONE.
>> I WOULD ADD ONCE YOU COME UP WITH THAT INTEGRAL PLAN,
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CONSOLIDATED PLAN THAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.NOT EVERY DECISION IN THAT PLAN, NOT EVERY ALTERNATE HAS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
THERE'S MANY DECISIONS THAT STAFF COULD COME UP WITH.
>> THERE'S WINDOWS BEING APPROVED.
>> ONCE WE HAVE THAT CONSOLIDATED PLAN, WE SAY WE'RE OKAY WITH IT AND STAFF CAN BASICALLY MANAGE IT WITH YOU.
>> STAFF CAN GIVE HIM ALL PRE-APPROVED STUFF.
>> THE WINDOWS SAID THAT IF YOU CHOOSE FROM WINDOWS, YOU CHOOSE FROM THIS PAINT.
>> WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A LISTING ON WINDOWS.
>> MY CONCERN WOULD BE THIS IS A PROMINENT INTERSECTION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND IT'S POTENTIALLY SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR PUTTING HARDIE ON IT, AND THEN THAT JUST HAS A DOMINO EFFECT ON OTHER BUILDINGS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS WELL.
>> FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, RIGHT?
>> NO. IT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR HISTORIC.
>> LET'S GET TO BOARD DISCUSSION IN A SECOND.
BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I'M JUST WONDERING OUR DISCUSSION.
ARE WE APPROACHING THE DECK SEPARATELY OR IS THE DECK ALSO PART OF THE WHAT IF PLAN?
>> I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY EDUCATE HIM ON OUR DISCUSSION AND LET'S HAVE THAT SO THAT THEY KNOW WHETHER THEY GOING BACK WITH THAT OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION WITH THAT.
>> ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC SO BOARD DISCUSSION SECTION.
WHAT I HEAR IS THAT I THINK THE SCOPE OF THIS WORK IS NOT JUST THE DECK, IT'S NOT JUST REPLACING OF ALTERNATE MATERIAL.
>> MY FEELING ON THE DECK IS THE EASY ANSWER FOR THIS BOARD IS DO IT WOOD AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DEBATE ANYTHING.
THE COMPOSITE MATERIAL THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN MOST COMPOSITE MATERIAL I'VE SEEN.
BUT THIS ISN'T JUST A FRONT PORCH.
MY BIG QUESTION WOULD BE, IF YOU TAKE THE VINYL SIDING OFF AND THE PREDOMINANT MATERIAL IS WOOD SIDING IN GOOD SHAPE.
I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO COVER IT WITH ANYTHING.
LET'S SHOWCASE IT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT YOU GOT LUCKY AND THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD SECTIONS.
>>THE FACT THAT THE RESIDENCE NEXT DOOR IS STILL LARGELY HISTORIC.
I REMEMBER WAY BACK WHEN WE USED TO STAY AT THE ADDISON, WE'D LOOK ACROSS THE STREET AND LOOK AT THAT POOR LITTLE VINYL BUILDING AND IT WAS SAD.
AS FAR AS THE AZEK, THE TIMBERTECH, THAT'S A GREAT PRODUCT.
THE TIMBERTECH IS THE TOP LINE.
I USED IT ON THE BACK MY BACK DECK AND ON THE FRONT, I DID KDAT ON DRY, THIS DARK WOOD.
WHEN YOU GET ALL THIS, THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORY.
WE ALL HAVE THAT AND YOU SEE THE EDGES AND YOU DON'T HAVE A FACIAL BORDER, WHICH GIVES YOU A WEIRD NON OVERHANG ON THE FRONT DECK, AND THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THE WHOLE THING LOOK LIKE A NEW MATERIAL.
IT'S THE NEW VINYL OF THE '70S '80S.
NOW IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEW TIMBERTECH AND HARDIE PLAN WHEN WE HAVE A PRETTY HISTORIC LOOKING STRUCTURE NEXT TO IT.
MY INCLINATION IS TO DO NEITHER OF THE ABOVE UNTIL WE GET MORE FORENSIC EXPLORATION ON WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE VINYL.
BUT I FEEL LIKE NO THE AZEK UPFRONT OR THE TIMBERTECH UPFRONT ON THE DECKING AND THEN WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AND A MORE DETAILED PLAN.
>> I THINK THAT ALSO GOES FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THE SOFFIT MATERIAL.
IF WE DO A LITTLE HISTORICAL RESEARCH AND FIND SOME OLD PHOTOS AND IT SHOWS CLOSED SOFFITS THEN THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
BUT IF YOU FIND AN OLD PICTURE WITH EXPOSED RAFTER TAILS, LET'S GO FOR IT HERE.
BUT ALL OF THAT REALLY IS THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO IN UPFRONT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT.
>> SHUTTERS HAVE TO COME UPFRONT.
>> HOW DO WE PROCEED HERE? DO WE EVEN HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD VOTE ON?
>> IT'S SPECIFICALLY A MOTION.
>> DENY IT WITH CONDITIONS THAT THEY BRING BACK THE PLAN OR THAT THEY [INAUDIBLE]
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>> WELL, THAT'S ON TO THEM. WE JUST DENY THEM.
I SEE THAT THEY STARTED THE ROUTE OF THE ALTERNATE MATERIAL, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS A CASE WHERE WE SHOULD SEE A WHOLE PACKAGE LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.
EVEN IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT ALTERNATES, DIFFERENT COURSE OF ACTION BASED ON WHAT THEY FIND.
ULTIMATELY TO ME, THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE WOULD DENY THIS BECAUSE WE THINK THAT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS GREATER THAN THAT AND THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A C AWAY PACKAGE.
>> IF THEY DO SOME RESEARCH AND THEY FIND OUT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BEHIND THAT VINYL SIDING AT ALL THEN IT MAKES OUR DECISION VERY EASIER. EXACTLY.
>> YEAH. I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
IF IN DENYING THE APPLICATION, THE SAME REQUEST CANNOT BE HEARD FOR ONE YEAR, AND THAT MAY NOT BE WHAT THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN DELAYING THE CASE.
PERHAPS CONTINUING IT AND THEN GIVING SOME ADVICE FOR NEXT STEPS AND BRINGING MORE INFORMATION FORWARD WOULD BE A BETTER COURSE OF ACTION SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE PROACTIVE STEPS IN RESTORING THE STRUCTURE AND NOT HAVING TO WAIT A YEAR, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK WITH THE SAME REQUEST.
>> CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE?
>> I MOVE TO CONTINUE CASE NUMBER 2024-0008 WITH CONDITIONS THAT THEY BRING BACK A TYPICAL PACKET OF WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO WITH INVESTOR DECOR INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY FILED.
>> I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONDITIONS OF LAW AS PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC 2024-0008 AS PRESENTED, IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLYING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVE TO CONTINUE BY MR. POINTER, SECOND BY MS. FILKOV.
SILLLY, DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT TO A DATE SPECIFIC?
>> YOU SHOULD CONTINUE TO A DATE SPECIFIC, AND MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO ARTICULATE, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING A FULL PACKAGE OF INFORMATION, BUT CLEARLY, WHAT IT IS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE ELEVATIONS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD THEN PINPOINT THE MATERIAL CHANGES.
IF IN LOOKING AT THE SIDING CHANGES, THERE'S CHANGES TO WINDOWS AND WINDOW TRIM THAT NEED TO OCCUR, DETAIL THAT SUPPORTS THAT CHANGE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE ABOUT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE ITSELF AND HOW IT LOOKED PREVIOUSLY, AND WHICH MATERIALS WOULD HAVE AUTHENTICALLY BEEN THERE, SUCH AS THE SHUTTER COMMENT THAT MEMBER KOSACK HAD.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER DETAILS.
OH, THE SOFFIT DETAIL WAS ANOTHER AREA THAT THE BOARD CONSIDERED AND WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON.
>> DOES THAT SOUND PERFECT [LAUGHTER] THAT CAPTURES.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHAT SHE SAID.
>> I PROBABLY ALREADY PASSED THE SUBMITTAL DATE FOR NEXT MONTH WOULD HAVE TO BE TWO MONTHS FROM.
>> A LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON THEIR AVAILABILITY AND WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT THEY CAN FIND OUT AND HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES THEM TO PUT SOME OF IT TOGETHER.
>> WE CAN SAY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, AND THEN THAT LEADS ANY TIME.
>> WE APPROACHED TEACHER MORRIS TO WORK WITH US ON THIS PROJECT, AND HE ACTUALLY CAME WITH US TO THE FIRST STEP IN JANUARY.
HE'S NOT HERE VIA TELECONFERENCE BECAUSE ABOUT A MONTH AGO, HE SAID, I'M SO SORRY, MY FIRM CAN'T TAKE IT.
THEN WE REACHED OUT TO ANN AND SHE SAID, YEAH, I'D LOVE TO, GIVE ME A COUPLE OF WEEKS, A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
[INAUDIBLE] RENTED BECAUSE WE KNOW HE'S BUSY.
IT'S TOUGH TO GRAPPLE WITH SOMEBODY FOR THE MOMENT.
>> BUT SOME OF THAT STUFF YOU CAN DO BECAUSE YOUR ARCHITECT IS NOT GOING TO BE PULLING OFF NOW, [INAUDIBLE] AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> I'VE BEEN FURIOUSLY WRITING [INAUDIBLE].
>> IF WE SAY YOU'VE GOT IT UP TO A YEAR,
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THEN ANYTIME IN THAT WHEN YOU MEET THE CRITERIA OF BOOKING A MEETING.>> THIS IS FOR WITHIN A YEAR OR BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> SO MOVED BY MR. POINTER, SECOND BY MS. FILKOV.
NEXT ONE IS CASE HDC 2024-009,
[5.4 HDC 2024-0009 - SEVERANCE CUSTOM HOMES, AGENT FOR JEANNE FOX, 211 S. 7TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct an accessory structure (freestanding pergola). (Quasi- Judicial)]
SEVERANCE CUSTOM HOMES AGENT FOR 211 SOUTH SEVEN.THIS EVENING, YOU'RE ASKED TO CONSIDER FINAL APPROVAL A CONSTRUCTION OF A PERGOLA FEATURE, AN OPEN-AIR SLOTTED FEATURE LOCATED ON THE SIDE YARD OF A CONTRIBUTING HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
THIS IS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING BECAUSE THIS STRUCTURE WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE DETAILS PROVIDED HERE WITHIN THE GRAPHIC, AS WELL AS BEFORE AND AFTER DEMONSTRATE BOTH ITS LOCATION AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION METHOD FOR THAT FEATURE.
STAFF HAS ANALYZED THIS UNDER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, AND HAS ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT?
ROBERT SEVERANCE, SEVERANCE CUSTOM HOMES, 2136 NORTHRIDGE LANE, FERNANDINA BEACH.
I'M BASICALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> IS THAT THE DESIGN? IS THAT ALL WE GOT?
THERE SHOULD BE AN AERIAL VIEW. DO YOU HAVE THAT AS WELL?
>> THERE'S A TOP DRAWING TOO, THERE'S A DRAWN FROM THE TOP.
>> I'M GOING TO PULL THE APPLICATION FOR YOU.
>> ROBERT, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU WHILE SHE'S PULLING THAT UP.
UNDER THE DESIGN VISION STATEMENT, IT SAYS, OR THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, CONSTRUCT A FREESTANDING PERGOLA WITHOUT STRUCTURE.
>> RIGHT. THAT'S BASED ON MS. GIBSON'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF STRUCTURE TO IT.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY SOLID WALLS ON ANY SIDES.
>> I WAS WONDERING IS THIS VIRTUAL? [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S GOING TO BE PAINTED WHITE TO MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE DETAILED TO MATCH THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
MS. GENE FOX JUST DID AN EXTENSIVE LEVEL 3 REMODEL IN THIS HOUSE WITH NO EXPENSE SPARED.
THERE'S A CURRENT PERGOLA IN THE BACK THAT'S COVERED WITH DIFFERENT VINES, JASMINE, WHATNOT, AND HER CONCEPTION IS TO DO THE SAME WITH THIS SO THAT IT TAKES OVER NATURALLY.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS?
>> THIS IS JUST A ROUGH SKETCH.
SO WHAT HAPPENED HERE, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, I DO DESIGN AND BUILD.
I'VE BEEN FEATURED BY HGTV FOR MY DESIGN AND BUILD.
BUT WHEN I MET WITH HER ON FRIDAY, SHE SAID, IF YOU CAN HAVE THIS BY MONDAY, WE CAN GET YOU IN THIS MEETING.
THAT'S LAST MINUTE, LET ME SKETCH SOMETHING [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S COMPLETELY FREE-STANDING, IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THIS STRUCTURE.
>> IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THIS STRUCTURE, IT'S FREE-STANDING. YES.
>> THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION.
>> I LIKE THAT IDEA THAT IT'S SEPARATE.
THE ONE THING I'M HAVING A LITTLE DIFFICULTY OF IS UNDERSTANDING THE PLAN OF IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE SETS OF COLUMNS, THREE PAIRS OF COLUMNS.
>> YOU TWO BAYS OF THIS THING GOING DOWN THE SIDE.
>> WELL, IT'LL BE ONE LIKE LONG BAY, SO ON EACH PAIR OF COLUMNS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO BOARDS COMING ACROSS TO SUPPORT THE TOP STRUCTURE.
IT'S ALL GOING TO BE OUT OF ROUGH SAW AND CEDAR TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE TRIM AND SIDING.
>> MS. GIBSON IN THIS SOLELY, THEY CAN GO PRETTY MUCH TO THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT?
>> THIS TYPE OF FEATURE IS NOT OTHERWISE PROVIDED ANY GUIDANCE UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S A FEATURE THAT ISN'T CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
>> IT IS A LANDSCAPE TYPE OF THAT FEATURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY GUIDANCE.
>> BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF.
>> [OVERLAPPING] CODE ITSELF BECAUSE IT IS NON-ROOFED, EXACTLY.
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>> ONE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] LINE.
IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE ONE PICTURE OF HER HOUSE WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
>> I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER. RIGHT HERE.
THAT WAS THERE WHEN PLUMBING WAS INTRODUCED INTO THIS HOUSE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR.
SHE WANTED TO REMAIN ON THE BACK SIDE OF THAT, SHE DIDN'T WANT TO COME ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE OR EVEN INTERFERE WITH THE PORCH DETAILS.
SO THE STRUCTURE WILL START BEHIND THAT CHASE AND THEN GO MEET, IT'S HARD TO SEE HER ORIGINAL PERGOLAS BACK HERE, AND THAT'S HOW THE VINES HAVE TAKEN TAKEN OVER.
>> I THINK PROBABLY THE QUESTION IS, I THINK THAT'S THE NORTH SIDE.
>> YOU'RE, BASICALLY, HUGGING THE PROPERTY LINE.
IS THERE A SETBACK THAT'S REQUIRED IN THIS THING OR IS IT DEALT LIKE A FENCE? DO YOU JUST PULL IT OFF AN INCH?
>> WE SHOULD BE A ZERO SETBACK ON THIS.
>> JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOTHING THAT ENCROACHES.
>> HOWEVER, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
>> THE ONLY THING WE'RE MISSING IS AN ACTUAL PLAN, SO A SITE PLAN, SO WE KNOW [OVERLAPPING] WHERE THE PEDESTAL IS GOING TO BE IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND IS THIS.
>> RIGHT. IS THE UPPER PIECE SHOULDN'T GO OVER THAT PROPERTY LINE.
>> THE FURTHEST POINT OF THE RAFTER, THAT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S WHERE THAT PIECE IS GOING TO BE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> ON THIS SKETCH, IT'S NOT TO SCALE, WE DON'T SHOW THE PROPERTY LINES ON IT, WE SHOW DIMENSIONS ON IT, SO SHOULD THAT BE A CONDITION?
>> I DID SUBMIT THAT IN THERE.
>> IS IT GOING TO BE TALLER THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE WINDOWS ON THE FIRST FLOOR?
>> IS IT GOING TO BREAK THE WINDOWS?
>> IT'S GOING TO BREAK THROUGH AT THE TOP.
>> BASICALLY, IT'S HARD TO SEE THE DETAIL, BUT THERE'S A LINE GOING RIGHT THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> IT'S STICKING OUT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THIS POINT HERE WOULD BE WITH THE PROPERTY LINE DOWN BELOW IT.
>> WHEN WE SUBMIT FROM PERMITTING TO THE CITY, THAT'LL ACTUALLY GO BACK THROUGH THE ROUTING AND THE APPROVAL PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CORRECT.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT YOUR BEAM ELEMENT, IT'S PROJECTION IS REALLY GOING TO BE THE DELINEATING FACTOR OF WHERE THIS THING HAS THIS.
>> THE FURTHEST EXTENT IT SHOULD GO.
>> THAT WE WON'T BE [OVERLAPPING] ENCROACHING.
>> PUT IN MAYBE A FOOT INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE?
>> APPROXIMATELY A FOOT ON THAT DETAIL.
>> I THINK TAMMY WAS HINTING THAT, AND I THINK MAYBE I'M IN THE SAME VEIN AS YOU AS THAT PERHAPS WE ASKED FOR JUST A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT THAT KELLY COULD REVIEW THAT AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ENCROACHING OVER THE SETBACK.
>> YEAH, JUST DEAL WITH CONDITIONS OF PRESENTING INTO ALL OTHER SHARES DEFINITIVELY INSTEAD OF COMING BACK, THEN KELLY.
>> YEAH. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. ANYMORE BOARD DISCUSSIONS?
>> LOOK, I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
>> A POTENTIAL QUESTION? [LAUGHTER]
>> A POTENTIAL PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
>> YOU SHOULD SAY IT IS A QUESTION. [LAUGHTER]
>> HE HAS TO APPLY FOR THE PERMIT AND HAVE A COMPLETE SET OF DRAWINGS AND PLANS.
>> YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO APPROVE THIS, AND THEN THEY GO TO BUILDING WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE BUILDING HAS TO SEE WITH WE APPROVED IT FIRST.
IF WE'RE APPROVING THIS WITH A CONDITION, [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S IT FOR US. THAT'S ALL.
>> IN THIS CASE, THAT WAS ACCURATE.
>> I KNOW THE FEATURE IS A LANDSCAPE FEATURE.
>> I THINK THAT GIVES A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY.
>> WELL, I'LL TAKE A STAB IN A MOTION.
I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0009 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT A PLAN OF A DIMENSIONED SITE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE BE
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PROVIDED FOR STAFF TO REVIEW TO ASCERTAIN THAT THE STRUCTURE WILL NOT ENCROACH BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINES OF THE HOUSE, AND THAT STAFF CAN REVIEW AND IF ACCEPTABLE, APPROVED.I MOVED THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW A PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2024-0009 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVED BY MR. PERZETTA, SECOND BY MS. KOSACK. CINDY, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU. [NOISE] NEXT AND LAST CASE,
[5.5 HDC 2024-0010 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 204 ASH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to modify brick wall on north side of City Hall parking area. (Quasi- Judicial)]
HDC 2024-0010, THE CITY OF FERNANDINA REGARDING THE FENCE AT 204 ASH STREET.>> YES. I WILL, IN ADDITION TO BEING THE STAFF PERSON, ALSO BE THE PERSON TAKING BACK ANY FEEDBACK TO OTHER CITY STAFF MEMBERS.
THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MODIFY AN EXISTING SCREENING WALL CONSTRUCTED TO THE EAST OF CITY HALL HERE.
AS ACTIVITY HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE WITHIN THIS AREA, THERE HAVE BEEN INCREASED RISKS AND NEAR MISSES OF TURNING VEHICLES OUT OF THE CITY'S PARKING LOT AREA ONTO ASH STREET.
GIVEN THE ELEVATION OF THE SIDEWALK THAT EXISTS THERE AND THE SLOPE OF THAT ELEVATION WITHIN THAT LOCATION, IT CREATES A SAFETY CHALLENGE.
THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT THAN THAT.
PEOPLE WALKING ARE OFTEN NOT SEEN, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE SMALL CHILDREN.
THE OTHER IS IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SEE AN ADULT WALKING, OFTEN, YOU'LL MISS THAT THERE ARE DOGS IN FRONT OF THEM, STROLLERS IN FRONT OF THEM, SMALL BICYCLES IN FRONT OF THEM, AND ROUTINELY WE'RE SEEING WHERE THERE'S A CREATION OF CONFLICT BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE VEHICLE WITHIN THIS LOCATION.
TO SUPPORT DECREASING THE SAFETY CONFLICT, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE EXISTING BRICK WALL.
THERE'S SOME MORTAR THAT IS ERODED FROM THIS AREA TOO, IN A WAY THAT FOLLOWS THE LINES WHERE THE BRICK IS ALREADY FAILING TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO A HEIGHT THAT CAN THEN BE CAPPED IN A SIMILAR WAY TO THE EXISTING CAP THAT YOU SEE THERE, WHICH IS DOMED.
IT IS A STUCCO SHELL MATERIAL ON TOP, COLORED IN THAT SAME WAY.
THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR VISIBILITY OF TURNING VEHICLES TO BETTER SEE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING AND AVOID THAT CONFLICT.
HAVING SCREENING WITHIN A PARKING LOT IS A REQUIREMENT.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS EMPHASIZED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO CLEARLY DISTINGUISH BOTH PEDESTRIAN AREAS AND PARKING AREAS, BUT TO MAKE IT SUCH THAT THE PARKING AREA IS NOT A DOMINANT FEATURE, THAT SCREENING MATERIAL IS THERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE IT, BUT SIMPLY MODIFY IT TO REDUCE THAT SAFETY CONCERN.
FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF HAS ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, SUCH THAT THE DESIGN BE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE DOCUMENT CREDIT.
>> YES. MS. GIBSON, WHEN WE HEAR A CASE FROM A PRIVATE RESIDENT OR A BUSINESS DECLARING THAT SOMETHING IS UNSAFE, WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE OF THEM TO PROVE THAT POINT?
>> OKAY THEN. THIS WALL WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CITY YARD, I'M TOLD.
>> WE'VE DESTROYED THIS BUILDING.
THAT'S ALL THAT'S REALLY LEFT OF THE ORIGINAL CITY HALL COMPLEX AND YARD COMPLEX.
>> I CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. I'M NOT SURE.
>> WHAT YEAR WOULD THAT BE [OVERLAPPING] WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THE ORIGINAL? DO YOU KNOW THE YEAR?
>> THE CITY HALL WAS BUILT, I BELIEVE, DO YOU HAVE THE YEAR? I THINK IT WAS 19.
>> THE ORIGINAL CITY HALL. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> THE FIREHOUSE AND THE POLICE STATION.
>> IT WAS, BUT IT WAS ALSO CITY HALL ON THIS SIDE, WHERE THE BELL TOWER THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE WAS.
THAT WALL WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL YARD FOR THE CITY MAINTENANCE FACILITY KIND OF THING.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WAS BUILT AT THE SAME TIME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE SAYING.
I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE LEAVING THE PARKING LOT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD THINK THOUGH THAT TO DECLARE SOMETHING THAT'S HISTORIC UNSAFE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR SOMEBODY WOULD RULE ON THAT.
IF NOT, THEN I THINK WE HAVE A GAP.
>> WELL, BY THE MERE FACT, I THINK THAT IT'S IN FRONT OF US TRYING TO CUT IT DOWN FOR THE DESCRIPTION THAT WAS SAID THAT IT'S UNSAFE.
SOMEONE IS MAKING THAT DETERMINATION.
I HAVE SEEN LITTLE KIDS WHEN I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PULL OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT, ALMOST HIT THE LITTLE KIDS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE A LITTLE KID.
>> THEY'RE EITHER COMING DOWN AND THEY'RE BELOW THAT WALL.
[LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] I THINK BY THE MERE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, I'VE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED IT, BUT TO ME, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT EVER WHY THE BARRIER IS THERE BECAUSE IT REALLY BLOCKS OFF THAT HOLE.
YOU HAVE A STOP SIGN ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT SAYS WATCH OR YIELD, AND THEY'RE DOING THAT FOR A REASON.
YOU CANNOT SEE A LITTLE PERSON COMING IF YOU ARE PULLING OUT OF THAT PARKING SPACE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR KELLY.
HOW MUCH ARE YOU GOING TO LOWER IT? WHAT WOULD BE THE HIGHEST ELEVATION?
>> I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT 32-36 INCHES.
>> THIRTY-TWO FROM THE GROUND?
>> FROM THE GROUND ON THE ASH STREET SIDE.
>> ON THE ASH STREET, OKAY. THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHY THE CURVE ENDINGS?
>> BOTH DECORATIVE, BUT ALSO TO FOLLOW.
THERE'S A LINE OF MORTAR DECAY THAT IS THROUGH THERE AND TO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THE BRICK THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN WITHOUT HAVING TO REMOVE IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY WERE LOOKING AT THAT GENTLE SLOPE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH A MASONRY PERSON TO DESIGN THIS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE.
YOU MAY SEE EXACT IN THAT CONFIGURATION, BUT IN A WAY THAT WILL MAINTAIN THE BRICK WHERE WE CAN.
>> IS IT A MASONRY PERSON ADEPT AT HISTORIC BRICK AND MORTAR?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON LOCALLY WHO IS ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK AND THAT'S WHO WE'RE UTILIZING.
>> IN LOOKING AT THIS WALL, AND I DO HAVE EXTENSIVE WORK EXPERIENCE WITH MASONRY WORK.
THE WALL IS IN REALLY POOR CONDITION.
I SHOULD DESCRIBE, THOSE CRACKS COMING IN AT AN ANGLE MORE.
IF THE WALL WAS TO STAY IN PLACE JUST AS IT IS, IF IT WASN'T A SAFETY ISSUE OR ANYTHING, I THINK THAT THE ENTIRE THING SHOULD BE RE-POINTED AND REPAIRED BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN GOOD CONDITION AND HAS DETERIORATED OVER YEARS.
BUT I THINK IT BECKONS THE QUESTION THAT, DOES THE WALL NEED TO BE THERE AT ALL, AND WHAT IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT? I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PARKING AREA SHOULD BE SCREENED, BUT I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO SCREEN IT, POTENTIALLY LANDSCAPING, POTENTIALLY A LOWER FENCE, SOMETHING THAT THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A VISUAL.
BUT PERHAPS IT'S NOT A MASON THAT SHOULD BE DESIGNING IT AND THAT PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE AN ACTUAL CIVIL ENGINEER OR LANDSCAPE DESIGNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHO CAN MAYBE PERHAPS LOOK AT THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING AREA, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE THE EXIT.
IT POTENTIALLY COULD BE THE ENTRANCE, AND THEN THAT SOLVES PART OF THE PROBLEM.
BUT I THINK STRUCTURALLY THAT WALL DOESN'T HAVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY THAT IT NEEDS TO BE OVER TIME OR SOMETHING.
>> I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN TOO, AND IF WE'RE TAKING OVER ALMOST HALF OF IT DOWN,
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WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TO IT.JUMPING OFF OF THAT, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THE PLANS, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT IT WAS SAYING, AND THEN YOU'RE SHOWING THAT YOU HAVE GOT ONE VIEW LOOKING DOWN THE STREET AND IF THE COLUMN STAYS, YOU STILL HAVE A LOT OF BLOCKAGE VISUALLY, SO YOU HAVEN'T GAINED ANYTHING THERE.
THE ONLY THING YOU'VE GAINED IS MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE COMING TO IT, THEN YOU CAN SEE SOMEBODY IN THAT SCOOP.
THIS MIGHT BE ANATHEMA, BUT DO WE PUT A PARABOLIC MIRROR SOMEWHERE? [OVERLAPPING] SOMETHING JUST TO SHOW SOMEBODY IS COMING.
>> KELLY, YOU HAD A BUNCH OF BACKUP PHOTOS.
>> I'M LOOKING AT PHOTO NUMBER 20 ON THERE.
>> I THINK THE REASON I'M POINTING THAT OUT, IS THAT, THERE'S ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT OF DESIGN GOING ON IN THIS SIMPLE LITTLE WALL.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND SOME SENSITIVITY TOWARDS AT WHAT LEVEL DO YOU STOP AND YOU MAINTAIN THAT PATTERN OF BRICKS THAT'S GOING ON IN THERE AND DO YOU RE DUPLICATE THE CAP DETAIL THAT'S GOING ON THERE? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK JUST WHOPPING IT OFF WILLY-NILLY IS THE RIGHT CHOICE, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH DESIGN GOING ON IN IT.
MINE SAYS 20 OF 44, SO MAYBE I'M IN A DIFFERENT SECTION.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT YOU CAN SEE HOW THERE'S CHANGES IN THE BRICK AT EACH COURSE, REALLY.
>> WELL, THE SAILOR BRICKS, THEY'RE ACTING AS STRETCHERS, SO THEY'RE MAKING IT STRUCTURAL.
IF WE LOP OFF ABOVE A SAILOR OR BELOW A SAILOR, AND THEN WHAT DO WE NEED? WE NEED SOME RAIN SHEDDING SYSTEM, AND THEN WE'RE GOING INTO THESE CURVES, THEN WE HAVE A CONCAVE; IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE LOP OFF.
THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TOOTH IN THE TRIANGULAR PIECES.
>> I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT CURVE.
I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF IT AS COMPARED TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE WALL HERE.
>> WELL, I DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF LEAVING THE COLUMNS, AND THEN BRINGING IT DOWN.
>> MAYBE YOU CAN BRING THE WALL DOWN, YOU BRING THE COLUMN DOWN.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, BECAUSE, WHY HAVE A COLUMN?
>> I THINK YOU START BRINGING ANYTHING DOWN, YOU'RE BRINGING THE WHOLE THING DOWN.
>> THAT LIMESTONE MORTAR IS SO SOFT, SO I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO THE [NOISE] QUESTION OF DO WE KEEP IT BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC AND FIGURE OUT THE SAFETY ISSUES OTHER WAYS, OR DO WE SAY IT'S OKAY TO COME DOWN AND REDESIGN THE WHOLE THING?
>> AT LEAST BEFORE I WOULD FAVOR THAT SECOND OPTION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO KEEPING THE WALL AND MITIGATE THE SAFETY CONCERNS ANY OTHER WAY.
>> WELL, THERE'S A MIRROR THERE.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC, YES, SIR.
>> I THINK SOMEBODY UP HERE MADE THE SUGGESTION, WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE THIS THE ENTRANCE AND THE OTHER ONE THE EXIT? IT'S PAINT AND SIGN.
>> SEEMS AN EASY TO INVESTIGATE ANYWAY. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY CAN TRY IT OUT, NOTHING WILL HURT.
IT IS A HISTORIC WALL, SO WHAT'S LEFT.
WHY DON'T WE SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO PRESERVE IT, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO CHANGE IT UP ON 7TH STREET.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THE IDEA, IT WAS A BRILLIANT IDEA.
>> I KNOW THAT AS YOU ENTER INTO THIS AREA, IF YOU WERE TO ONE WAY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, THE PARKING SPACES ARE ANGLED IN A REVERSE WAY AS YOU ENTER FROM INSIDE.
>> I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S PAINT.
PAINT IS CHEAP. HISTORY IS ONCE IN A LIFETIME, PAINT IS CHEAP.
>> WELL, WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT ADDING SPACES, SO THEY CAN PROBABLY CONFIGURE THAT.
>> YEAH, WE'RE GOOD AT THAT. [OVERLAPPING] I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU COME BACK, LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVES TO CHOMPING DOWN THE WALL AND SEE IF YOU
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CAN CHANGE BEFORE YOU GO DO ANYTHING.>> YEAH. NOW, DO WE WANT TO ALSO HAVE A CONTINUANCE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR?
>> I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH THE COMMENT THAT WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S ADDITIONAL AVENUES THAT COULD BEAR SOME FRUIT HERE AND ALLOW US TO KEEP A HISTORIC RESOURCE.
>> I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO GO ON WHATEVER RECORD WE HAVE OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT I APPRECIATE THE CITY BRINGING THIS TO THE HDC BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, IT HASN'T ALWAYS HAPPENED.
THE ACTIONS HAVE JUST BEEN TAKEN.
I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT'S HAPPENED AND PLEASE SHARE THAT APPRECIATION.
>> WELL, THEY DID JUST RE-STRIKE THIS PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE.
YOU'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY ALL THE TIME.
THEY JUST DID IT THERE, WHY CAN'T THEY DO IT THERE TO.
>> YEAH. IT'S ALL OVER [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO, CONTINUE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> OH, CONTINUE DATE CERTAIN WITHIN THE YEAR. I DID THE SAME THING.
CASE NUMBER 20240010 WITH CONDITIONS THAT THEY BRING BACK ALTERNATIVES, SAFETY DATA, AND ALTERNATIVES TO THE BRICK WALL AND OTHER SOLUTIONS TO THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONDITIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 20240010 AS PRESENTED IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE CREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH AN AMENDMENT TO ALSO GET AN ESTIMATE FOR RE-POINTING THE BRICKS?
>> THAT'S NOT IN THE LAND LAW PER VIEW.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SAY? NO, IT COST TOO MUCH? [OVERLAPPING]
>> EXACTLY. I THINK WE COULD RECOMMEND, NOT THE COST, BUT MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS PART OF THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT IT'S THE SAFETY BECAUSE THE ENGINEER MIGHT SAY IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE [OVERLAPPING].
IF YOU SAY THEY NEED TO SHOW THAT SAFETY IS BASED ON THE REPORTING, WE CAN GET A REPORT THAT SAYS, IF THIS ISN'T REPORTED, IT'S GOING TO FLAT FAIL.
>> NO, I'M SAYING THE SAFETY FOR PERSONNEL AND PEOPLE COMING THROUGH, NOT THE SAFETY OF THE OFF THE WALL ITSELF.
BUT IF YOU'D LIKE THAT EDIT, I WILL ACCEPT THAT.
>> THANK YOU. I WILL SECOND IT AS AMENDED.
>> MADE BY POINTER, SECOND BY FILKOV.
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WHO HAS, MS. GIBSON?>> WE'VE SEVERAL ITEMS UPDATES TO COVER BOTH UNDER BOARD BUSINESS, BUT AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT, I HAVEN'T GENERALLY CAPTURED ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, BUT WE CAN GO BACK IF WE WANT TO JUST COVER BOARD BUSINESS FIRST OR I CAN GO THROUGH STAFF UPDATES AND COVER IT THERE.
THE FDOT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR A VIRTUAL MEETING TO DISCUSS IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ATLANTIC AVENUE AND WHAT THE REPLACEMENT MATERIALS MAY BE FOR THE SIDEWALK LOCATED THERE AND THE FUTURE OF THAT THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR MAY 28TH.
AS SOON AS I GET A LOGIN LINK,
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I WILL FORWARD THAT ALONG SO THAT YOU CAN BE AWARE OF THAT AND ATTEND.THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN UPDATE THERE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
IN TERMS OF THE DOWNTOWN AND CRA DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE, I KNOW I'VE SENT AN EMAIL JUST GIVING YOU AN OVERALL UPDATE ON THE MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO WITH OUR CONSULTANT TEAM WHERE WE WENT THROUGH AND TALKED ABOUT THE DOCUMENT STRUCTURE, EMPHASIZE AND WENT INTEGRATE DETAIL ON THOSE KEY AREAS THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR THEM TO INFORM IN THE UPDATED DOCUMENTS.
WE FOCUS A LOT ON DOWNTOWN AND WE'LL HAVE A FUTURE MEETING JUST TO DISCUSS THE CRA.
AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO INCORPORATE THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AS AN APPENDIX TO THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES, WHICH I THINK CREATES A STRONGER LINKAGE BETWEEN THE TWO AND HOW THEY SHOULD INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER SO WE WILL HAVE A FUTURE MEETING WITH THEM.
I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL HAVE OUR MEETING IN JUNE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING IN THE CONSULTANT TEAM TO GIVE YOU AN OVERALL PRESENTATION OF WHERE WE'RE AT SO THAT YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF HOW THE DOCUMENT IS TAKING SHAPE.
>> WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE DEADLINE, THEIR DEADLINE?
>> THEIR DEADLINE IS AUGUST 31ST.
>> YES, AND WE DO HAVE A GRANT EXTENSION TO ALLOW FOR THAT TIME FRAME.
THINGS ARE GOING REALLY WELL THERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAD QUESTIONS FROM THAT UPDATE THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING WITH THEM JIM?
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE BROUGHT IN TO THOSE MEETINGS.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I COULD DEVOTE TO IT, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE INPUT.
>> THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN AS OF YET.
IT'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH TO GET INTO THOSE TOPIC AREAS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, AND I'VE PROVIDED THEM EXTENSIVE NOTES ON OUR CONVERSATIONS TOGETHER PREVIOUSLY.
>> I NOTICED AND I AGREE WITH A LOT OF YOUR RED LINES THAT KEPT SAYING GRAPHICS BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT MANY IN THERE.
I THOUGHT PART OF AT LEAST WHEN WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE QUITE A FEW GRAPHICS TO HELP DRIVE THE NARRATIVE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. IT WON'T HAVE THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL AS THE CURRENT DOCUMENT.
TO BE CLEAR, THAT WAS JUST THEIR INITIAL GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT TO SEE WHERE WE WOULD PICK UP ASPECTS OF IT AND THINGS NEEDED TO BE MODIFIED.
>> I WAS NOT IN MY HEAD AS I READ YOUR RED LINES.
THAT WAS NOT MINE. [LAUGHTER] THEN A FEW OTHER THINGS TO JUST REPORT YOU ON IN TERMS OF OVERALL PLANNING BASE ACTIVITIES, AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS AT OUR RECENT PLANNING BOARD MEETING WHERE I'VE PROVIDED A SIMILAR UPDATE.
WE HAVE SEVERAL STUDIES GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE AN IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT IS UNDERWAY, USING A CONSULTANT, STANTEC.
WE HAVE A SMALL AREA POPULATION MODEL, WHICH INCLUDES SEASONAL POPULATION PROJECTIONS THAT IS AN UPDATE TO OUR 2019 MODEL.
THAT IS UNDERWAY WITH THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS RESEARCH.
THIS IS THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AND THEY ARE THE ONLY GROUP IN THE STATE THAT IS DEDICATED TOWARDS POPULATION PROJECTION AND POPULATION ANALYSIS FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SMALL AREA MODEL THAT JUST LOOKS AT OUR POPULATION OVERALL.
IT'S BEEN SEVERAL YEARS ON FIVE NOW, AND SO IT'S A LARGER TYPE OF UPDATE THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE IF WE'D BEEN DOING THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
BUT THE EXCITING PART IS INCLUDING THOSE SEASONAL POPULATION PROJECTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING THE EFFECT THAT THAT MAY BE HAVING ON OUR OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE ARE CONTINUING FORWARD WITH INTEGRATING OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INTO AN ONLINE PLATFORM CALLED MUNI CODE.
MANY OF YOU ARE PROBABLY REALLY FAMILIAR WITH WORKING IN MUNI CODE.
UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CODE IS NOT ON THEIR SYSTEM YET.
MOST DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ARE ACCUSTOMED TO GOING TO MUNI CODE, SEARCHING FOR THAT INFORMATION.
OURS IS ON OUR WEBSITE FOR THE CITY. THAT WILL MIGRATE OVER.
IT'S A VERY EXCITING CHANGE WILL MAKE IT A LOT MORE INTUITIVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND REFERENCING THE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
WE HAVE SEVERAL LAND DEDICATIONS THAT YOU'LL SEND YOU FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, BIG UPDATES TO OUR CONSERVATION WEBSITE, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS A BLANK SHELL OF A WEBSITE, SO WE'LL GET SOME MEANINGFUL INFORMATION OUT THERE.
YOU MAY SEE SOME SIGNAGE AT SOME OF OUR RECENTLY ACQUIRED CONSERVATION LANDS.
DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, THEY MAY BE LARGER IN NATURE AND SOME OF THE SMALLER ONES.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BRING A LOT OF ATTENTION TO IT, BUT WE DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH
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US AND DEDICATED THOSE AREAS.WE ALSO HAVE A DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND PARKING STUDY THAT IS UNDERWAY.
YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED RECENTLY THAT THERE WERE PARKING COUNTERS AROUND TOWN.
THEY WERE COLLECTING DATA ON BOTH VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
AS A POINT IN TIME TYPE OF ANALYSIS, WE WILL HAVE DATA FROM PAST IN ADDITION TO THE WEEKS THAT WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT DENSITY CHANGES MOVING FORWARD THAT WAS RECENTLY TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE FOLLOWING THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL AT FIRST READING.
THIS IS MODIFYING THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
LAND USE AND NET DENSITY FROM 34 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE TO 18 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE.
THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE EIGHTH STREET OVERLAY AT 18 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE NOW, SO THEY WILL LINE.
WE HAVE A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT THAT WAS STILL WORKING TO GET FINAL FINAL REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE.
WE'RE GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
THEN THE NEXT STEP WITH OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, AND THAT APPLIES CITYWIDE IS TO DO AN ADAPTATION ACTION AREA PLAN WHERE WE LOOK AT SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND JUST TO GIVE A HEADS UP FOR AWARENESS TO ADDRESS FLOODING IMPACTS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING BOTH NOW AND INTO THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO LATER SEEK FUNDING FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A DATE CHANGE FOR JUNE MEETING FROM THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE 21ST TO CHANGE IT TO THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY ON THE 27TH.
>> IT'S THE 20TH I BELIEVE IT WAS THE ORIGINAL MEETING.
>> WE WANT TO HAVE IT ON THE 27TH?
>> I CAN DO THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S QUESTIONABLE, BUT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE DONE THAT'S.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL GET THAT NOTICED.
JUST TO BE AWARE WE HAVE SEVERAL EXCITING EVENTS GOING ON, ESPECIALLY TIED TO OUR BICENTENNIAL CELEBRATIONS.
THERE'S A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO IT.
HAVEN'T VISITED. IT LISTS BY MONTH, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT EVENTS.
WE HAVE AN UPCOMING ONE THIS WEEKEND WITH BOTH OUR WILD AMELIA FESTIVAL AND THE OPENING OF THE BEACHES THIS SATURDAY.
IT ALSO COINCIDES WITH THE MAIN STREET PRESERVATION TOUR OF SACRED SPACES.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO PURCHASE IT, I BELIEVE THEY ARE $20 AND YOU CAN PURCHASE THEM THROUGH THE MAIN STREET WEBSITE.
YESTERDAY, WE HAD THE PRESERVATION AWARD CEREMONY AT THE PARK CENTER, AND WE HAVE AN AWARD WINNER ON OUR BOARD HERE, MS [NOISE].
IT WAS REALLY EXCITING AND IT WAS A REALLY WONDERFUL EVENT THAT HAS BEEN GREAT THAT MAIN STREET HAS BEEN ABLE TO FULLY PICK UP THIS PROGRAM AND MOVE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
>> [LAUGHTER] I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
WITHIN THE PAST THREE WEEKS OR SO, WE WERE ALL COPIED ON AN E MAIL ABOUT THE FENCE HEIGHTS.
>> THE DETAILS ARE HERE. I WAS PREPARED.
>> COULD YOU JUST TELL US WHAT THE UPSHOT OF THAT IS?
>> YES. WITH THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, WHEN THE APPLICATION CAME IN, IT CAME IN ALONGSIDE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL THAT WAS GRANTED FOR THE SAME ADDRESS BACK IN JANUARY.
I MISTAKENLY THOUGHT IT WAS THE SAME APPROVAL.
HIT APPROVE, I ALSO CHECKED TO SEE THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A C3 ZONE AREA, AND HALF OF IT IS HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE OTHER HALF IS NOT.
THE PROPOSED FENCE IS LOCATED ON THE REAR SIDE AND SIDE REAR ISH AREA OF THE TWO PROPERTIES AT SIX FEET AS A HORIZONTAL SLOTTED FENCE, AND AT THE FRONT AND CORNER SIDE AT A 60 INCH, ALUMINUM BLACK FENCE.
IN C3, THAT WOULD BE APPROVABLE.
HOWEVER, WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDANCE PROVIDED, IT INDICATES THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE A FOUR FOOT LIMITATION ON A FRONT YARD FENCE, REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT.
WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IS THAT I SAY, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FIVE FOOT FENCE.
IT NEEDS TO BE LIMITED TO FOUR FEET WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, AND THEN IT COULD GRADUALLY INCREASE.
THE SIDE FENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE BUT IN THE FRONT YARD, FOUR FEET, OTHERWISE, IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL
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FOR CONSIDERATION TO DV FROM THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED.AGAIN, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE STAFF ISSUED COA, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED, BUT, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER, I WAS NOT AS AWARE OF THIS PARTICULAR GUIDANCE PROVIDED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWARE OF THAT TOO.
I HAD APPROVED IT. LOOKING AT IT WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND KNOWING THAT IT WAS CERTAINLY MUCH BETTER THAN THE CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY, AND MISTAKENLY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE THE SAME AS THE PRIOR APPROVAL THAT HAD APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD.
>> THE BOTTOM LINE, [LAUGHTER] IS?
>> IS I LEARNED A LOT [LAUGHTER] THROUGH THIS.
I NOW KNOW YOU CANNOT HAVE A FENCE GREATER THAN FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT YARD, IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESPITE THE ZONING DISTRICT.
>> BUT THEY DO. IT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HAVE IT, AND IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE GUIDANCE DOCUMENT FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTY.
>> I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD VERY QUICK, THAT, THE PEOPLE WHO OWNED THIS SET OF PROPERTIES WERE AND ARE MY CLIENT.
HOWEVER, THEY DID NOT ENGAGE ME TO DESIGN, LAYOUT, PICK THE FENCE.
I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FENCE AT ALL.
HOWEVER, I HAVE TALKED TO THEM SUBSEQUENTLY.
THEY GAVE ME WHY THE FENCE IS AS HIGH AS IT IS, BECAUSE THAT, ACCORDING TO THAT THEY'RE POOL PEOPLE, THAT BOTTOM RAIL IS CONSIDERED SCALABLE.
THEY NEEDED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF FOUR FEET MEASURED FROM THE BOTTOM RAIL UP AND THOSE LITTLE FINIALS AT THE TOP DIDN'T COUNT TOWARDS THAT.
THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.
>> BECAUSE THE FENCE ENCLOSES THE ENTIRE YARD INSTEAD OF JUST AROUND THE POOL, THAT'S WHY THE WHOLE FENCE IS AS HIGH AS IT IS.
>> AT EFFICIENT HEIGHT I THOUGHT IT'D TO BE LIKE 42 INCHES FOR POOLS?
>> BUT WHEN THEY COUNT THE BOTTOM RAIL, THIS POINT OF MEASURE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY SPAN 48 OF NOTHING THAT'S CLIMBING, [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THE INTERIOR FENCE THAT SEPARATES THE REAR YARD WHERE THE POOL IS FROM THE FRONT YARD IS A LOWER FENCE, THEN THE FENCE AROUND THE EAST, WEST AND NORTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT IS I KNOW IT SAYS SIX FEET ON THE PLAN.
IT IS ACTUALLY 92 INCHES THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF I LOOK AT THIS PLAN, THE INTENT IS TO CONSTRUCT THAT SOLID FENCE, THE ENTIRE SOUTH PROPERTY GREEN LINE RIGHT UP TO THE FRONT SIDEWALK.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF LOOKING AT THAT DRAWING BUT WHAT THEY CONSTRUCTED IS SOMETHING TALLER THAN WHERE IT'S A SIX FOOT [INAUDIBLE].
>> I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT EITHER.
>> IS THAT PART OF THE PROCESS AS WELL?
>> BECAUSE NOW WE'RE LOOKING INTO A ZONE OF SMALL SECTION.
>> IF I LOOK AT THAT PLAN LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE ALL THE WAY FRONT.
>> IT WAS A PROCESSED AS A FENCE PERMIT.
>> THEY COULD GO UP TO EIGHT FEET [OVERLAPPING].
>> I KNOW SYLVIA SPOKE WITH THE CONTRACTOR VIA E MAIL, THE FENCE IS NOT COMPLETED AT THIS POINT.
THEY HAVE NOT CALLED IN FINAL INSPECTIONS, AND THERE HAVE BEEN NOTED CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HORIZONTAL SLOTTED FENCE BEING UNFINISHED ON THE NEIGHBOR SIDE OF IT AS A CORRECTION THAT MAY NEED TO BE MADE FOR THAT PORTION OF THE FENCING.
IN HAVING DRIVEN BY THERE, YESTERDAY, I NOTICED THAT LET ME GO BACK A COUPLE OF PICTURES THERE, WHERE THERE'S INDICATED THAT RED LINE IS ABOUT AS FAR FORWARD AS THE HORIZONTAL FENCE EXTENDS, AND MAYBE SLIGHTLY FURTHER BACK THAN THAT.
BUT ON THE NEIGHBOR SIDE, THERE IS A SMALL MASONRY WALL THAT EXISTS THERE.
I WASN'T SURE IF THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATE FENCE DESIGN WITHIN THAT LOCATION.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THAT'S THE SAME AREA WHERE THE SCREENING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR THIS AREA FOR, BOTH THE GENERATOR AND THE NEW HVAC UTILITY YARD, WAS INTENDED SORT OF OVER HERE.
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I WASN'T SURE IF MAYBE THEY JUST, AND I KNOW THEY HAVEN'T COMPLETED THAT WORK YET.THEY WERE JUST WAITING TO DO THAT.
I ALSO NOTICED THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL PANELS OF THE ALUMINUM FENCE THAT HAD NOT BEEN INSTALL.
THIS FENCE THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ON THAT SAME SIDE, IT MAY BE THE INTENTION TO INSTALL THAT FENCING TO CONNECT WITH THE FRONT FENCE.
>> AS IT STANDS, THE FENCE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS OUT OF WHACK OR VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES.
THE FENCE ON THE NORTH SIDE ALSO OR JUST THE
>> THE FISRT ONE IN NORTH SIDE IS OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT AND IS C3.
>> THAT CAN BE A [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THERE WEST FACING AND FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IF I'M LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AT IT'S FRONT, THE FENCE IN FRONT OF IT IS TOO TALL.
>> IT IS TOO TALL PER GUIDELINES COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE, THOUGH.
>> THE ONLY RECOURSE WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL ON THE FENCE APPROVAL.
>> TOLD TO TAKE IT DOWN TYPE OF THING.
>> THEY HAVE ALSO INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
IS THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPE DESIGN THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT, PART OF THE CONCEPT OF IS, HAD PLANTINGS ON BOTH SIDES A FENCE TO HELP THE FENCE DISAPPEAR TO SOME DEGREE.
>> THERE'S NO ACTION ON THAT PHONE.
>> THANK YOU. STAFF REPORT, DID WE REVIEW [OVERLAPPING]? ANY COMMENTS? NO. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS?
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.