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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
>> LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ANYBODY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH LAST MONTH'S MINUTES?
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THEM.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THEM.
OLD BUSINESS, THE JACKSONVILLE CLASS C AIRSPACE MODIFICATION AND PROPOSAL.
[5.1 Jacksonville Class C Airspace Modification Proposal Update]
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVENING, SAM CARVER AIRPORT DIRECTOR.
AS WE MENTIONED IN OUR LAST MEETING, THE PROPOSED CLASS C AIRSPACE MODIFICATION COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR AIRPORT, SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GIVE UPDATES AT THIS MEETING.
TONIGHT, I'LL ASK JEFF SCHLUETER WHO HAS BEEN NOMINATED AS THE CHAIR OF OUR AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT MET AT THE FAA OFFICE IN JACKSONVILLE AND IS REPRESENTING US HERE IN FERNANDINA AND THE LOCAL PILOTS.
JEFF, IF YOU COULD GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT.
>> THANKS, SAM. THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MET FEBRUARY 28, 29, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE WERE ABOUT 20-25 PEOPLE AT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING, INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVES FROM FERNANDINA, WE WERE WELL REPRESENTED.
THERE WERE SOME FOLKS FROM CRAIG, SOME OF THE MILITARY PEOPLE, SOME AIRLINE PEOPLE, SO IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD ROUNDED GROUP.
WE SAW THE FAA'S PRESENTATION, AND THEN THE REST OF THAT MEETING WAS ABOUT DECIDING ON WHO WOULD BE CHAIRS.
WE ELECTED, ACTUALLY, THERE'S THREE CO-CHAIRS, I'M ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS.
ANOTHER ONE IS A GENTLEMAN NAMED DAVID CRYSTAL, WHO IS FROM CRAIG.
HE FOUNDED THE CRAIG AIRPORT PILOT ASSOCIATION.
AND THEN THE THIRD CO-CHAIR IS A GUY NAMED SCOTT PRESLEY, WHO'S WITH AMERICAN, SO WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION FROM LOCAL AIRPORTS AS WELL AS THE AIRLINES ON THE COMMITTEE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS TO REVIEW ANY ISSUES, COMPLAINTS, PROBLEMS, ANYTHING THAT THE LOCAL AREA, ALL OF US WHO ARE ON THE COMMITTEE MIGHT HAVE WITH THE PROPOSAL FROM THE FAA, SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH.
WE WENT OUT AND WE COLLECTED ALL THE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT MIGHT COME UP AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE ARE IF YOU WANT.
BUT WE COLLECTED ALL THOSE ISSUES TOGETHER, AND WE COMPILED A MATRIX OF WHAT WE SEE AS THE MOST PRESSING ISSUES, BOTH FOR THE LOCAL AIRPORTS, FOR THE LOCAL POPULATION, AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THAT.
WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THAT BACK TO THE FAA YET.
WHAT WE SENT BACK TO THE FAA WAS A LIST OF QUESTIONS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, GETTING ADDITIONAL DETAIL ON WHY THEY'VE MADE THIS PROPOSAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THEIR BIG ISSUES IS THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF, IT'S CALLED A TCAS ALERT, BUT IT'S AN AIRLINER ALERT WHEN IT SEES THERE'S TRAFFIC THAT'S TOO CLOSE TO IT.
THE AIRLINER, WHEN IT SEES THAT ALERT, IT HAS TO DO WHATEVER THAT TCAS ALERT SAYS, AND THAT THROWS THE AIRLINER OUT OF WHACK AND IT THROWS THE CONTROL CENTER OUT OF WHACK, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE WHAT THEY'VE SEEN OF THOSE.
TODAY IS ACTUALLY A PERFECT DAY THAT ILLUSTRATES THE MAIN PROBLEM AND THE REASON THEY'RE EXTENDING THE AIRSPACE OUT OVER FERNANDINA BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STRONG WINDS OUT OF THE SOUTH-SOUTHWEST AND IT'S A VFR, VISUAL FLIGHT RULES DAY.
THEY TEND TO LAND, THE AIRLINERS, IN A PATTERN COMING OUT AND LANDING ON RUNWAY 26, WHICH LANDS THEM INTO THE WIND.
WHEN THEY DO THAT, WHEN THEY'RE OPERATING VFR, THEY TRY TO PUT MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE, AND THE FAA IS ROUTING MORE AIRLINES OUT UP OVER FERNANDINA TO MAKE THE TURN RIGHT ONTO RUNWAY 26.
WHAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED, AND THE BIGGEST ISSUE, REALLY, [NOISE] IS WHEN WE HAVE THE CORPORATE JETS, AND ON A DAY LIKE TODAY, THE CORPORATE JETS DON'T WANT TO BOTHER TO TRY AND CALL IN AND GET A CLEARANCE TO LEAVE, THEY JUST TAKE OFF, AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR CLEARANCE IN THE AIR.
BUT THEY CAN CLIMB SO FAST THAT THEY CAN START CLIMBING RIGHT INTO THE AIRLINER TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S WHEN THOSE ALERTS HAPPEN.
THAT'S THE PREDOMINANT FACTOR THAT'S LED THEM TO THIS PROPOSAL.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S THERE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE DATA POINTS THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR.
WE'VE ASKED FOR MORE DETAIL ON EXACTLY HOW MANY OF THOSE TCAS ALERTS THEY'VE GOTTEN, WHEN THEY GET THEM, WHAT CONDITIONS THEY GET THEM.
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WE'VE ASKED FOR A LOT MORE DETAIL ON THE AMOUNT OF THE NORMAL, WHAT WE CALL GENERAL AVIATION TRAFFIC, THE SMALLER AIRPLANES, MOST OF WHAT WE GET IN AND OUT, OR ACTUALLY, EVERYTHING WE GET IN AND OUT OF FERNANDINA GENERAL AVIATION.EITHER THE PROP PLANES OR THE SMALLER JETS.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE WHOLE TRAFFIC IS SO WE GET A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THE FAA HAS SEEN.
THE NET RESULT OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS TO GO BACK TO THE FAA WITH OUR RESPONSE.
OUR RESPONSE COULD BE, YEAH, IT LOOKS GOOD.
WE BELIEVE YOU, WE TRUST YOU, WE REALIZE IT'S NECESSARY.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
OUR RESPONSE COULD COME BACK AND SAY, NO WAY, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING, IT'S JUST TOO DANGEROUS.
BUT MORE LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SOME COUNTER PROPOSAL.
THAT'S WHAT THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS DOING, IS WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THE ANSWERS BACK FROM THE FAA, TAKE ALL THE OBJECTIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE VARIOUS CONSTITUENTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, COME BACK TO THE FAA WITH A RESPONSE AND A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY SATISFIES BOTH THEIR NEEDS AS WELL AS OUR NEEDS.
THERE'S NO TIME FRAME ON THAT.
I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION DURING THE AD HOC MEETING.
THE FAA'S RESPONSE WAS, AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET IT TO US, BUT THERE'S NO TIME FRAME.
ONCE WE SUBMIT OUR RECOMMENDATION, IT GOES BACK TO THE FAA, THEY'LL DO WHATEVER CHANGES THEY THINK THEY WANT TO DO.
THEN IT HAS TO GO OUT TO A, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT THE STEPS ARE, BUT IT HAS TO GO OUT TO AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WILL BE WHERE THEY'LL SUBMIT THAT OUT FOR OTHER FOLKS.
THAT WOULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
ONE OF OUR OBJECTIONS, FRANKLY, I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS WE HAVE, AS AN AIRPORT GROUP IS THAT BRINGING ALL THAT AIRSPACE DOWN WITH A CEILING OF 1,200 FEET IS GOING TO COMPACT A LOT OF TRAFFIC AT THAT LEVEL, BETWEEN 0-1200 FEET, RIGHT OVER THE ISLAND.
I KNOW PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT AIRPORT NOISE OF PEOPLE TAKING OFF AND LANDING AND TOUCHING GOES.
THINK ABOUT ALL THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S NOW JUST EVEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE ISLAND, OUT TO THE OCEAN AT 1,200 FEET.
CREATING NOISE IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'LL RAISE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FACTORS INTO OUR DECISION. BUT ANYWAY.
THERE WILL BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, AND THEN AFTER THEY DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, THE FAA WILL FINALLY ISSUE THEIR NPRM, NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE-MAKING, THAT GOES OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND THERE'S A 60, 90-DAY PERIOD FOR THEM TO GET COMMENTS.
THEN FINALLY, AFTER THEY DO ALL THEIR GOVERNMENT THINGS, WHO KNOWS A YEAR LATER, THEY MIGHT FINALLY INSTITUTE THE CHANGES.
BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.
REALLY JUST THE FIRST STEP, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE IS GETTING OUR FEEDBACK BACK TO THE FAA BASED ON ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND THE VARIOUS OBJECTIONS AND IDEAS FROM THE CONSTITUENTS AROUND THE AREA.
>> IS THERE ANY TALK OF OUR COMMITTEE HAVING TO RAISE THAT FLOOR OVER FERNANDINA BECAUSE WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AT 2,000 FEET EVER?
>> NO, THEY DON'T. YOU GOT A MICROPHONE, THERE'S A QUESTION.
ONE THING THE COMMITTEE WAS ADVISED VERY STRONGLY NOT TO DO IS QUESTION CURRENT FAA PRACTICES.
WE WERE TOLD IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT IF WE TRY TO QUESTION CURRENT PRACTICES, WE'LL WE MET WITH THE HAND.
OUR JOB IS NOT TO QUESTION THEIR PRACTICES, SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS SHOW THE DATA THAT SHOWS YOU WHAT WE CAN DO.
ULTIMATELY, WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME IDEAS, WE HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AS TO WHAT WE MIGHT PROPOSE, BUT UNTIL WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION, I DON'T WANT TO EVEN PUT THAT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC RECORD ANYWHERE.
I ACTUALLY GAVE AN INTERVIEW TO A GUY FROM THE JACKSONVILLE BUSINESS PRESS TODAY.
HE ASKED ME THE SAME QUESTION, I SAID, I'M NOT GOING TO PRE-STAGE THE ANSWER JUST BECAUSE WE'RE STILL COLLECTING THE DATA.
BUT, YEAH, ULTIMATELY, SOMETHING HIGHER MIGHT BE REASONABLE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> HOW OFTEN DO YOU ALL PRE-MEET? ARE YOU MEETING ON A REGULAR BASIS?
>> WELL, WE MET THAT ONE TIME TOGETHER IN JACKSONVILLE, BUT SINCE THEN, WE ARE A REMOTE SOCIETY.
SO WE MET PRETTY OFTEN FOR THE FIRST FEW WEEKS TO COMPILE THE LIST AND GET OUR DATA REQUESTS BACK TO THE FAA.
WE SENT THAT IN ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO.
UNTIL WE GET THE RESPONSES BACK FROM THE FAA, WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT BEFORE WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> HAS THE FAA SCHEDULED ANY OTHER MEETINGS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY WENT TO END OF MARCH?
>> YOU MEAN FOR THE JACKSONVILLE PROJECT?
>> NO. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THEY'LL SCHEDULE.
>> OTHER THAN WHEN THEY GET INTO THE PROCESS THAT I EXPLAINED AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW, NPRM, AND THAT STUFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? ANY QUESTIONS FROM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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>> THAT BRINGS US TO NEW BUSINESS.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS ISSUE?
>> JAMES HARKINS, 1942 SPRING BROOK ROAD, FERNANDINA BEACH, 32034.
ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY AND REDIRECT THAT JEFF MADE IS HE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF NOISE.
NOW, THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IN THAT REGARD IS THAT WHEN WE'VE RAISED THE NOISE ISSUE HERE IN THE PAST, WE'VE MET WITH BLANK STARES, AND IN FACT, JEFF HIMSELF HAS WRITTEN EDITORIALS IN THE FB NEWS-LEADER DISMISSING NOISE AS AN ISSUE.
I'VE MADE THE STATEMENT HERE SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE NORMAL USE OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH AIRPORT.
ABSOLUTELY NONE, AND THAT I'VE MADE THE STATEMENT HERE SEVERAL TIMES.
I HOPE YOU ALL REMEMBER IT THAT YOU COULD TRIPLE THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES IN AND OUT OF THE AIRPORT, AND IT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
THE ENTIRETY OF THE NOISE ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH THE EVER CIRCLING FLIGHT SCHOOLS WITH THE ENDLESS TRAINING THAT GOES ON.
IF THIS PROPOSAL ADDRESSES THAT, THAT'S GREAT.
IF IT DOESN'T AND THAT CONTINUES, THEN THAT'S THE NOISE THAT IS THE ISSUE.
THERE IS NO OTHER NOISE THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED.
IT DOESN'T MATTER DURING THE CAR SHOW WHEN THERE ARE 65 OR HOWEVER MANY JETS THERE ARE HERE, I BARELY NOTICE IT, AND IN FACT, DURING THE CAR SHOW WEEK, IT WAS THE QUIETEST WEEK IN MY EXPERIENCE, JUST FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN PROBABLY THE LAST THREE YEARS.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A NOISE ISSUE.
TCAS ACTIVATIONS ARE A SERIOUS ISSUE.
I HAVE THE SENSE THAT THEY'RE BEING DISMISSED AND SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET.
BUT THEY'RE A SERIOUS ISSUE AND I WOULD SUGGEST TO ANY OF YOU TO REPRESENT THAT CASE DIFFERENTLY.
>> IF I CAN MAKE QUICK COMMENT.
NO TCAS ISSUE IS EVER DISMISSED OR TAKEN.
>> ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FASHION THAT IT SHOULD BE, WHICH IS THE FAA AND THE INDIVIDUAL PILOT BOTH HAVE TO FILL OUT FORMS AND DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM, AND THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT'S MET.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SWEEPING ANYTHING TO DO WITH TCAS UNDER THE CARPET EVER, PERIOD AT THE END.
>> WHAT I SAID WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU SAID.
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE REST OF THE PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE THAT IS VERY MUCH NOT THE CASE.
>> IF ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT A FORM OVER AND YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING.
[6.1 Vector Airport Systems, Presentation: Airport Landing Fees]
>> WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEW BUSINESS AND THE VECTOR AIRPORT SYSTEM.
>> I'VE INVITED VECTOR AIRPORT SYSTEMS TO GIVE A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
THE TOPIC IS ABOUT AIRPORT LANDING FEES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE BEFORE FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
I FIRST HEARD ABOUT POSSIBLE AIRPORT LANDING FEES APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO AT SOME AIRPORT CONFERENCES WHEN SOME GA AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA WERE CONSIDERING THIS.
MOST OF THE AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA AT THE TIME DISMISSED IT BECAUSE WE NEVER REALLY DID THAT AT GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS.
BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE CHANGING.
THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT'S USED AT OVER 60 AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY.
WITH LITTLE TO NO OBJECTION FROM THE FAA, AIRPORTS DO HAVE A RIGHT TO CHARGE LANDING FEES AS LONG AS IT'S FAIR, REASONABLE,
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AND NON-DISCRIMINATORY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SEEMS TO BE AN INITIATIVE COMING TO FLORIDA.I KNOW THERE'S TALLAHASSEE, FOR EXAMPLE, STARTED CHARGING GENERATION LANDING FEES LAST YEAR, AND THERE'S PROBABLY OVER A DOZEN AIRPORTS RIGHT NOW IN FLORIDA THAT ARE LOOKING AT INITIATING LANDING FEES, AND THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ALL THESE AIRPORTS IS TO GENERATE REVENUE FOR OUR SAFETY PROJECTS.
AIRPORTS HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE'S ALWAYS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
IT'S NEVER ENDING, AND THIS IS A WAY TO COLLECT FEES FROM THE USERS TO HELP SUPPORT THOSE SAFETY PROJECTS.
THAT'S THE INFORMATION I'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO, AND SOMETHING THAT I FELT WAS AT LEAST WORTH MENTIONING HERE AND SEEING IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE AIRPORT WANTS TO GO.
WE'VE INVITED MISS HELENA GLENN HERE FROM VECTOR TO GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT THEY DO AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU, SAM, FOR THAT FORUM INTRODUCTION.
MY NAME, LIKE I SAID, IS HELENA GLENN.
I'M FROM VECTOR AIRPORT SYSTEMS. LIKE SAM MENTIONED, VECTOR HAS BEEN SPEAKING TO SEVERAL AND IT IS ABOUT A DOZEN AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA, IN PARTICULAR, THAT ARE LOOKING AT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF LANDING FEES TO HELP FUND PROJECTS SUCH AS SAFETY.
SAFETY IS A BIG CONCERN THAT WE ARE SEEING AS A COMMON THREAD AROUND AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA.
THIS IS A WIDESPREAD PROBLEM, WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING IN ARIZONA, THERE ARE MULTIPLE AIRPORTS IN ARIZONA WHO ARE HAVING THE SAME SAFETY CONCERNS AS REGARDS TO THE FLIGHT TRAINING, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NEW, AND AS FAR AS LANDING FEES IN OF THEMSELVES IS ABSOLUTELY WITHIN FAA GUIDELINES THAT YOU ARE ABLE LEGALLY TO CHARGE LANDING FEES.
IT IS A SELF-SUSTAINING REVENUE STREAM SPECIFIC THAT THE AIRPORT CAN IMPLEMENT THAT IS MONEY THAT IS GENERATED FROM THE AIRPORT THAT GOES DIRECTLY BACK INTO THE AIRPORT.
I'M SURE, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, RISING COSTS OF INFLATION ARE UPON US.
AS INFLATION IS CONTINUING TO BE A PERSISTENT PROBLEM IN THE ECONOMY, LANDING FEES ARE A SOLUTION THAT MORE AND MORE AIRPORTS ACROSS THE NATION ARE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT SO TO KEEP UP WITH THE RISING COSTS OF MAINTENANCE OF SAFETY PROJECTS AND OF OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MAYBE UNFORESEEN OR ARE FORESEEN TO THE AIRPORT.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HIGHLIGHT WHAT I HAVE COME TO KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH SEVERAL OF THE FLORIDA AIRPORTS, WHAT BIG ISSUES AND MAJOR CONCERNS THEY HAVE.
SO PLANEPASS IS OUR SPECIFIC AUTOMATED LANDING FEE COLLECTIONS PROCESS.
VECTOR AIRPORT SYSTEMS, WE WERE STARTED IN 2005, AND WE ARE BASED IN VIRGINIA.
SINCE OUR INCEPTION IN 2005, WE'VE GROWN TO OVER 70 PLUS AIRPORTS THAT WE PARTNER WITH.
THESE ARE PRIMARILY GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS THAT ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A OPTIMIZED AND EFFICIENT PROCESS FOR LANDING FEE COLLECTIONS.
SINCE OUR GROWTH, WE HAVE HAD, AGAIN, IMPLEMENTATION WITH OVER 70 AIRPORTS NATIONWIDE.
THAT'S FROM THE EAST COAST ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST COAST. I'M ACTUALLY FROM UTAH.
I FLEW IN TODAY, AND WE'RE IN ABOUT 90% OF ALL OF THE UTAH AIRPORTS THERE, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE LANDING FEES BEFORE.
BUT LIKE FLORIDA, VIRTOWER ALSO WON A STATEWIDE CONTRACT TO HELP FACILITATE THE OPTIMIZED PROCESS FOR AIRPORT OPERATIONS, AND VECTOR IN COHESIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH VIRTOWER, OFFERED TO THE AIRPORTS MEANS OF GENERATING REVENUE THROUGH LANDING FEES COLLECTIONS, AND AS I SAID, ABOUT 90% OF THOSE AIRPORTS CHOSE TO PARTNER WITH US AND ARE NOW RECEIVING FUNDS DIRECTLY GENERATED FROM THE AIRPORTS ACTIVITIES AS A RESULT.
WE HAVE 60,000 UNIQUE AIRCRAFT OPERATOR PAYING RELATIONSHIPS.
THESE ARE OPERATORS THAT WE HAVE A HARMONIOUS RELATIONSHIP THAT ARE PAYING US ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE BILLED OVER 40 MILLION ANNUAL AIRCRAFT FEES LAST YEAR ALONE, AND WE HAVE A 99.6 COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE.
I'LL DIVE INTO HOW WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE IN A SECOND, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME ON BOARD WITH VECTOR,
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I'VE ONLY BEEN WITH THE COMPANY FOR A YEAR, BUT I THOUGHT, WOW, THAT'S A HIGH COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE.HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT? WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS OF PLANE PASS, AND WHY ARE AIRPORTS TURNING TO VECTOR TO HAVE AN AUTOMATED PROCESS FOR LANDING FEE COLLECTIONS? IN THE TRADITIONAL PROCESSES WHERE EITHER THE AIRPORT OR THE FBO, EITHER WORKING WITH COHESION WITH THE AIRPORT OR AS A SEPARATE ENTITY AS COLLECTING LANDING FEES, MANY TIMES LANDING FEES ARE LOST BECAUSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE ONLY ABLE TO COLLECT FEES WHEN THEY ARE PRESENT.
WHEN THROUGH OUR AUTOMATED PROCESS, THAT CAPTURES 100% OF YOUR OPERATIONS, WE NEVER MISS AN OPERATION BECAUSE WE'RE FULLY AUTOMATED.
WE TYPICALLY SEE AN ANNUAL FEE INCREASE OF ANYWHERE, IT SAYS 10-20% HERE.
I'LL SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE, THAT'S ACTUALLY EVEN MORE ON THE HIGH END, AND WE EVEN SEE 30-37% INCREASES WHEN AN EXISTING FEE IS IN PLACE AT THE AIRPORT.
THIS IS BECAUSE WE CAPTURE ALL OF YOUR AIRPORT'S OPERATIONS, AND THEN COUPLED WITH OUR 99.6 COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE, WE'RE CAPTURING ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONS ON ALL OF THOSE FEES THAT YOU OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE MISSED THROUGH TRADITIONAL METHODS.
WE ALSO MAKE IT EASY AND EFFICIENT FOR OPERATORS TO PAY.
THROUGH OUR ONLINE PORTAL, WE WILL RELIEVE ANY OPERATIONAL OR COLLECTION BURDEN FROM THE AIRPORT OR FPO STAFF.
YOUR STAFF MEMBERS ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO GO RUN OUT AND CHASE HALF OF LANDING FEES.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH ANGRY OPERATORS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS SUCH SERVICE THAT WE AT VECTOR OFFER.
IT WILL ALL BE HANDLED BY OUR COLLECTION SUCCESS TEAM.
WE ALSO, IN ADDITION TO OUR AUTOMATED COLLECTION SERVICE, OFFER THE AIRPORT A PORTAL, SO YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY TRUSTING RELATIONSHIP.
THIS IS YOUR MONEY THAT IS DUE TO YOU AS THE AIRPORT, AND SO WE WANTED TO ENSURE TOTAL TRANSPARENCY.
ALL OF THE OPERATIONS, ALL OF THE FEES THAT ARE BILLED AND APPLIED, YOU HAVE COMPLETE VISIBILITY TO VERSUS TRADITIONAL LANDING FEE METHODS WHERE TYPICALLY WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM OTHER AIRPORTS, WHEN AN FBO IS COLLECTING, THEY JUST GIVE THEM AN ANNUAL COLLECTIONS REPORT.
THERE'S NO BREAKDOWN OF ACTIVITIES, THERE'S NO BREAKDOWN OF MONTHLY INVOICES BILLED, WHAT THEIR ACTUAL SUCCESS RATE WAS.
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU VISIBILITY INTO ALL OF THAT.
WITH OUR COHESIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH VIRTOWER, WE OFFER EASY PLUG IN THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY INSTALLATIONS TYPICALLY.
SOMETIMES WE PUT SENSORS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING 100% OF YOUR OPERATIONS.
BUT MOST OF THE TIMES WE ARE ABLE TO WORK COHESIVELY WITH VIRTOWER AND OUR OTHER DATA PROVIDERS TO CAPTURE ALL OF THAT DATA.
WE DO THIS THE BEST PART AT NO UPFRONT COST WHATSOEVER TO THE AIRPORT.
YOU DON'T ACTUALLY EVER PAY US, WE PAY YOU.
WHY AIRPORTS ARE CHOOSING PLANE PASS? IS, AGAIN, WE DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING ON YOUR END.
WE WILL HAVE A FULLY AUTOMATED SYSTEM THAT REQUIRES NO MANUAL INPUTS FROM YOUR STAFF.
THIS WILL AUTOMATICALLY CAPTURE AND TRACK 100% OF YOUR OPERATIONS 24/7, 365 DAYS.
WE NOT ONLY USE OUR COHESIVE PARTNERSHIP WITH VIRTOWER, BUT ALSO MERGE VIRTOWER'S DATA WITH OUR OWN DATA AND OTHER DATA PROVIDERS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE VERIFYING ACCURACY, AND 100% OF ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONS.
WE'RE NOT JUST RELYING UPON ONE SOURCE OF DATA.
IF ONE SOURCE WERE TO GO OUT, FOR INSTANCE, IF VIRTOWER WERE TO GO OUT, WE HAVE OTHER SOURCES OF DATA THAT ARE ACTIVELY BEING APPLIED TO VERIFY ACCURACY.
WE THEN CONSOLIDATE THAT DATA THAT WE RECEIVE INTO A SINGLE COHESIVE DATABASE OF BILLABLE OPERATIONS.
THEN THESE OPERATIONS WILL BE ANALYZED BY OUR TRAINED BACK OFFICE TEAM, AND WE WILL APPLY YOUR FEE RULES CONSISTENTLY BASED UPON YOUR FEE SCHEDULE.
UNLIKE FBOS, WE WILL NEVER WAIVE FEES BASED ON FUEL SALES OR AS FAVORS.
INSTEAD, WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK TO HAVE A CONSISTENT FEE APPLIED THAT ENCOURAGES FUEL SALES.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOUR BUSINESS, WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT YOUR BUSINESS.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP MAKE YOU MORE SUCCESSFUL, MORE THRIVING AS AN AIRPORT.
WE WILL WORK COHESIVELY WITH THE AIRPORT TO ACTUALLY CRAFT A FEE THAT CONTINUES TO ENCOURAGE THOSE FUEL SALES FROM THE OPERATORS THAT ARE ACTIVELY PURCHASING YOUR FUEL.
WE THEN GOING BACK TO OUR COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE,
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HERE WE COME TO THE REAL SECRET SAUCE OF VECTOR AND HOW WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN SUCH A HIGH COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE.IN OUR INCEPTION, WE FIRST CAME OUT WITH THE SOLUTION WHERE WE HAD TO ACTUALLY HAVE CAMERA INSTALLATIONS.
THESE CAMERAS WERE PROPRIETARY TO VECTOR, THEY WERE ABOUT $40,000 PER CAMERA THAT WAS AN UPFRONT COST TO THE AIRPORT.
IT WASN'T A VIABLE SOLUTION TO MANY AIRPORTS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
BUT THROUGH SINCE THAT TIME, WE NO LONGER REQUIRE CAMERAS, BUT IN THOSE EARLY DAYS, WITH THE AIRPORTS THAT PARTNERED WITH US AND PURCHASED THOSE CAMERAS AND THOSE CAMERAS THAT ARE STILL ACTIVELY COLLECTING DATA TODAY, WE HAVE BUILT A COHESIVE AIRCRAFT OWNER OPERATOR DATABASE THAT IS PROPRIETARY TO VECTOR.
IT HAS OVER 200,000 ACTIVE AIRCRAFT, AND OVER 65,000 AIRCRAFT OWNERS THAT ARE UNIQUE.
WE SEE BEHIND THE LLCS, WE SEE BEHIND THE TAIL NUMBERS TO KNOW WHERE THOSE FEES AND INVOICES SHOULD BE SENT, WHO IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO THE BILL, AND THAT IS TRULY HOW WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE SO SUCCESSFUL.
THIS IS ALL DONE BY OUR INHOUSE US BASED CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM THAT DOES ALL OF THE SERVICE AND COLLECTIONS.
AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE NOTHING ON YOUR TIME OR ATTENTION.
THEN IT COMES TO THE REPORTING.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU COMPLETE VISIBILITY THROUGH OUR WEB BASED PORTAL AS WELL AS WE WILL SEND YOU EXPORTABLE REPORTS AND MANUAL REPORTS ON A MONTHLY BASIS, SO YOU CAN KEEP US ACCOUNTABLE AND SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING AND HOW WE ARE MAINTAINING THAT COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE.
THIS IS A GRAPH OF HOW OUR PROCESS ACTUALLY WORKS.
IT BEGINS WITH THAT CAPTURE OF MULTIPLE DATA STREAMS OF 100% OF YOUR AIRPORTS OPERATIONS.
ALL OF THIS DATA AND OPERATIONS ARE THEN ANALYZED BY OUR BACK OFFICE TEAM.
THE EXEMPTIONS, SUCH AS YOUR BASED OPERATORS, OR IF YOU WERE TO HAVE SIGNATORY OPERATORS WOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM FEES.
ANYONE THAT THE AIRPORT TELLS US THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO CHARGE, WE EXEMPT THEM.
YOU'RE THE BOSS, WE'RE JUST DOING THE WORK FOR YOU.
THEN WE WILL SEND THE INVOICES DIRECTLY OUT TO THOSE OWNER OPERATORS.
WE WILL FACILITATE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, AND THOSE COLLECTIONS.
PAYMENTS CAN BE SENT VIA CHECK TO OUR SECURE LOCKBOX OR BY CREDIT CARD THROUGH THAT ONLINE PORTAL, WHICH MAKES IT EASY AND EFFORTLESS FOR OPERATORS TO PAY.
WE THEN COLLECT ALL OF THE FUNDS INTO A SCORO ACCOUNT.
WE TYPICALLY START AT 25% FEE, BUT IT IS CALCULATED BASED OFF OF YOUR EXCUSE ME, YOUR ANNUAL COLLECTIONS.
AS THOSE COLLECTIONS GO UP, VECTOR'S FEE ACTUALLY DECREASES.
WE WILL THEN SEND YOU YOUR MONEY AFTER TAKING OUR FEE, AS WELL AS THOSE MONTHLY REPORTS, SO YOU CAN TRACK HOW WE ARE ACHIEVING THAT SUCCESS RATE AND HOW THE AIRPORT IS TRACKING OVER TIME.
THIS IS A BRIEF SLIDE ABOUT SOME OF OUR CLIENTS AND THE AIRPORTS THAT WE WORK WITH.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ALL THE WAY FROM THE EAST COAST TO THE WEST COAST IN SONOMA VALLEY, AS WELL AS DESTINATION AIRPORTS SUCH AS ASPEN AND BIG AIRPORTS SUCH AS DALLAS LOVE FIELD.
A BRIEF NOTE ON OUR CLIENT AND CUSTOMER SUCCESS TEAM.
THEY ARE ALL TRAINED IN AVIATION.
WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT ALL OF OUR CUSTOMER SUCCESS KNOWS THE OPERATOR LINGO AND KNOWS THE AVIATION TERMS SO THAT THEY CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY TO OPERATORS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OPERATORS HAVE FOUND EXTREMELY HELPFUL AND USEFUL.
THIS IS AN ACTUAL SCREENSHOT OF THE PORTAL THAT WE PROVIDE TO YOU AS THE AIRPORT.
IN RED, YOU CAN SEE ALL ARRIVALS, IN GREEN IS ALL DEPARTURES.
YOU CAN FILTER THIS VIEW ON A MONTHLY, WEEKLY, OR DAILY VIEW.
ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
YOU SEE THE DATE AND TIME STAMPS, WHETHER THE AIRCRAFT IS ARRIVING OR DEPARTING.
YOU SEE THE ENGINE TYPE, MAX TAKEOFF WEIGHT, AS WELL AS THE ORIGIN AND DESTINATION OF THE AIRCRAFT.
THEN IN THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN, YOU SEE THE FEE RULES APPLIED.
I APOLOGIZE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BLURRY.
BUT IN THAT ACTUAL LET'S SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN HERE.
THAT'S BETTER. HOPEFULLY THAT'S MUCH BETTER.
YOU CAN NOW SEE THE FEE RULES APPLIED.
IN THE BREAKDOWN OF EACH INDIVIDUAL ACTIVITY,
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YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE FEES THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED AND EXEMPTIONS.IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE THIRD COLUMN, YOU'LL SEE THAT A FEE OF $146 HAS A STRIKE THROUGH DENT.
THIS INDICATES THAT THIS PARTICULAR OPERATOR IS EITHER A BASED AIRCRAFT OR A SIGNATORY AIRCRAFT AND HAS BEEN EXEMPTED FROM FEES IN OUR SYSTEM.
WE WORK COHESIVELY WITH THE AIRPORT TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE APPLYING YOUR EXEMPTION RULES ACCURATELY.
AS NEW BASED TENANTS COME ONTO THE FIELD, WE WOULD APPLY THOSE TAILS TO THAT EXEMPTION LIST, AND THEY WOULD RECEIVE NO FEES.
ALL OF THIS DATA IN THIS PORTAL, EXCUSE ME, IS EXPORTABLE INTO A CSV FILE AND DOWNLOADABLE INTO YOUR RECORDS AS WELL.
BUT IT'S COMPLETELY ACCESSIBLE TO YOU 24/7.
IN ADDITION TO THE PORTAL, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE COMPLETE TRANSPARENCY THROUGH OUR MONTHLY BILLING DETAILED REPORTS.
YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE HOW WE'RE TRACKING OVER TIME AND HOW THE AIRPORT IS ACTUALLY RECEIVING MONIES, ANY CHANGES IN ACTIVITIES, ANY ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN THE BILLS.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE HOW THE AIRPORT IS DOING AND TRACKING OVER TIME, WHICH IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE TO YOUR ACCOUNTING TEAM, YOUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT WHEN OF COURSE, IT COMES TO TAX SEASON AND AUDIT, WHICH IS UPON US.
HERE'S A BRIEF SCREENSHOT OF THE ACTUAL OPERATOR PORTAL THAT THEY RECEIVE.
EACH INDIVIDUAL OPERATOR RECEIVES A PAYMENT PORTAL.
I'M GOING TO ZOOM IN AGAIN, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEAR. THERE WE GO.
IN THIS ACTUAL PAYMENT PORTAL, YOU SEE THE OPERATOR'S UNIQUE INFORMATION AND THEN YOU SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE INVOICES BY AIRPORT.
AT THE END OF EACH MONTH, EACH INDIVIDUAL OPERATOR RECEIVES A COHESIVE REPORT AND A BREAKDOWN BY AIRPORT OF THE ACTIVITIES FOR THE MONTH.
SO ALL OF THE AIRPORTS THAT THEY'VE FLOWN INTO FOR THAT MONTH THAT ARE PARTNERING WITH VECTOR THEY RECEIVE AN INVOICE FOR.
YOU WOULD SEE THE DATE AND TIME STAMP, AS WELL AS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT, THAT ACTIVITY CREATED.
THIS INCENTIVIZES OPERATORS TO KEEP IN GOOD STANDING WITH VECTOR BECAUSE THEY SEE ALL OF THE PARTNERSHIPS AND ALL OF THE AIRPORTS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH, AND THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE AIRPORTS.
THIS IS ALSO AN ADDED VALUE AND REASON WHY WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT HIGH COLLECTION SUCCESS RATE.
OVER HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY CAN CLICK TO EASILY MAKE AN ONLINE PAYMENT VIA CREDIT CARD, OR AGAIN, THEY CAN SEND A CHECK TO OUR SECURE LOCK BOX.
THIS IS A SAMPLE OF SOME OF THE LANDING FEES THAT HAVE A ZERO WEIGHT MINIMUM.
WITH AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA, AS WELL AS AIRPORTS THAT ARE IN ARIZONA THAT RECEIVE HIGH VOLUME OF TRAINING TRAFFIC AND ARE LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE REVENUE STREAMS, WE RECOMMEND TO STAY IN ACCORDANCE WITH FAA GUIDELINES FOR EQUITABILITY AND FAIRNESS IN BILLING THAT YOU BILL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ZERO.
WHAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED TO FERNANDINA AS WELL AS OTHER AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA IS A VERY AVERAGE FEE OF $2 PER £1,000 POUNDS.
THAT IS VERY WIDELY ACCEPTED ACROSS THE NATION AND HAS BEEN ANALYZED BY OUR OPERATIONS TEAM.
YOU SET THE FEE RULES, WE JUST DO THE BILLINGS AND COLLECTIONS ON YOUR BEHALF.
THAT IS THE PRESENTATION THAT I HAD FOR YOU TODAY.
WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD?
>> BACK ON A COUPLE OF SCREENS BACK WHERE YOU HAVE.
> GREAT. IF YOU'RE IN AN AIRPORT ROOF THAT HAS A TRAINING ENVIRONMENT.
YOU SAID ON THE LEFT SIDE ARE ARRIVALS AND RIGHT SIDE DEPARTURES.
>> CORRECT. SO WE DO FACILITATE TOUCH AND GOES AS WELL.
SO AND I HAD A BRIEF, LET ME GET OUT OF THIS.
AND AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. THANK YOU.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF TOUCH AND GOES AND AIRPORTS THAT DO HAVE A LOT OF LOW PASSES.
SO AS YOU ARE AWARE, OF COURSE, THE AIR SPACE OVER THE GROUND IS THE DOMAIN OF THE FAA.
AND PLANE PASS CAN ONLY CHARGE LANDING FEES IF THE AIRCRAFT ACTUALLY TOUCHES THE GROUND.
>> OKAY. THAT ANSWER ANOTHER QUESTION.
>> OKAY. SO IF THE AIRPORT HAS NO CONTROL OR AUTHORITY TO BILL THE AIRCRAFT THAT DON'T TOUCH THE GROUND,
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EXCUSE ME, EVEN IF THEY ARE MAKING REPETITIVE LOW PASSES.SO SINCE ALTIMETERS IN MOST AIRCRAFT ARE BASED UPON PRESSURE AND THEIR RESOLUTION IS LIMITED TO 25 FOOT INCREMENTS, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE IF AN AIRCRAFT TOUCHED THE GROUND BASED SOLELY ON THAT DATA.
WHAT WE AT PLANEPASS DO IS WE HAVE A VARIETY OF SETTINGS TO DERIVE OPERATIONS BASED ON ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE PAIRINGS WITH ONE OF THESE SPECIFICALLY FOR TOUCH AND GOES.
THIS IS BASED ON THE TIMING OF ARRIVAL AND DEPARTURE FOR THE SAME AIRCRAFT IN COMBINATION WITH THE OTHER POTENTIAL INFORMATION THAT ANALYZES THE POSITION, SPEED, TYPE OF AIRCRAFT, AS WELL AS THE WIND SPEED AND DIRECTION TO DETERMINE IF THE AIRCRAFT COULD HAVE BEEN FLYING OR WAS ON THE GROUND, SUCH AS BELOW STALL SPEED FOR THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.
HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
>> AND JUST A QUICK FOLLOW UP. I'M SORRY.
>> SOME PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND SHOOT THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE RUNWAYS, I THINK RUNWAYS OUT HERE THAT HAVE AN INSTRUMENT APPROACH TO IT.
AND IF YOU'RE DOING A PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACH, YOU'LL FLY DOWN TO THE PUBLISHED MINIMUMS AND THEN DO A RERUN, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE TWO OR 300 FEET IN THE AIR, PROBABLY.
>> CAN YOU SPEAK UP, PLEASE. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. SPEAK UP.
>> YEAH, IF SOMEBODY COMES HERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO FLY A PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACH.
AND THEN THERE ARE GPS BASED INSTRUMENT APPROACHES HERE AT FERNANDINA, I THINK ON THREE RUNAWAY ENDS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT, BUT AT LEAST TWO.
YOU'RE GOING TO FLY THE APPROACH DOWN TO THE PUBLISHED MINIMUMS, AND THEN THE PILOT IS GOING TO DO A GO AROUND, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT 200 PLUS FEET IN THE AIR.
SO HOW WOULD THIS SYSTEM HANDLE THAT OR COUNTER THAT?
>> YEAH. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE FA GUIDELINES.
AND SO IF THEY'RE IN THE AIR, 200 FEET ABOVE, THEN IT WOULD.
>> IF IT'S NOT TOUCHING OUR PAVEMENT, WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHARGE.
>> I'M GUESSING THIS IS ADS BASED?
>> IT IS ONE. THAT IS ONE OF OUR DATA PROVIDERS.
>> SO WE HAVE USED ADSB SURVEILLANCE FLIGHT PLAN, AS WELL AS WE WORK WITH ALFRED HARRIS AND [INAUDIBLE].
SO WE HAVE MULTIPLE DATA PROVIDERS THAT WE, OF COURSE, VERIFY ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONS.
>> SO IF SOMEBODY SHOWS UP WITHOUT AN ADSB YOU STILL CAN TRACK THEM?
>> TYPICALLY, WHAT WE CAN SEE IN OUR SYSTEM, AND YOU ACTUALLY SEE THIS, YOU CAN SEE THE AIRCRAFT ARRIVING AND THEN YOU SEE A BREAK.
AND THEN YOU SEE THEM DEPARTURE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I'M SAYING IF THEY DON'T, YOU'RE USING RADAR INPUTS THEN TOO NOT JUST ADSB?
> HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY A NON ADSB 1,200 SWAPPING AIRCRAFT THEN?
>> GREAT QUESTION. SO WHEN AIRCRAFT OPERATORS AS THEY OFTEN DO TURN OFF THEIR ADSB SENSORS, THIS IS OFF ONE, A VIOLATION OF FAA POLICY.
BUT WE DO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN OUR SYSTEM.
AND WHAT WE DO IS WHEN WE CAN SEE THE ACTUAL TRACK AND WE'VE USED THAT WITH OUR OTHER DATA SOURCES, WE SAY THIS APPEARS TO BE, IF YOU FOLLOW THAT TRACK THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY THE AIRCRAFT COULD HAVE GONE BASED UPON THAT TRACK.
AND SO WE FILL IN THE GAPS AND WITH OUR MULTIPLE SOURCES OF DATA THAT VERIFY THAT OPERATION, THAT IS HOW WE OVERCOME OPERATORS TURNING OFF THEIR ADSB.
>> OKAY. ONE OTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WHAT WAS THE LEAD TIME FOR OPERATORS TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET BILLED WHEN THEY COME HERE?
SO WHEN WE ACTUALLY ON BOARD WITH AN AIRPORT, WE LIKE TO DO A LOT OF EDUCATION.
WE LIKE TO DO A LOT OF EDUCATION TO AVOID ANY DISPUTES, ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS ON THE FRONT END.
SO 30 DAYS PRIOR TO ACTUALLY GOING LIVE, WE WILL HELP THE AIRPORT UPDATE YOUR WEBSITE.
VECTOR IS GOING TO BE COLLECTING THE FEES.
WE'LL HAVE SPECIFIC VERBIAGE, WE'LL HELP FACILITATE AND TYPICALLY A LANDING FEE ORDINANCE IS NEEDED TO BE PUT INTO THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
AND WE CAN HELP FACILITATE AND SHOW YOU EXAMPLES OF OTHER AIRPORTS AND THEIR CODE LANGUAGE.
WE'LL ALSO E-MAIL ALL OF YOUR TOP OPERATORS DIRECTLY.
WE'LL PUT UP SIGNS AT YOUR AIRPORT.
AND SO WE DO A LOT OF EDUCATION ON THE FRONT END TO ENSURE THAT OPERATORS ARE AWARE OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING.
IN ADDITION, WE ALSO CAN PROVIDE E-MAILS, SHOULD YOU DESIRE TO ALL OF YOUR BASED OPERATORS TO ENSURE THEM THAT THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AT THE AIRPORT,
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BUT THAT YOU ARE A BASED OPERATOR, YOU'RE GOING TO BE EXEMPTED FROM A FEE BECAUSE YOU'RE PAYING YOUR DUES AND OTHER FEES TO THE AIRPORT THAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO REVENUE.>> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT GEORGE TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT.
YOU MENTIONED THE ADSB AND IS VIRTOWER THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF INFORMATION OR ALL THOSE COMBINED TO GIVE YOU THE PICTURE OF WHO TO CHARGE?
>> GREAT QUESTION. FOR SPECIFICALLY ADSB, YES.
VIRTOWER, IF YOU HAVE THAT IN THE AIRPORT CURRENTLY, WE USE THEM AS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF DATA, BUT WE DON'T RELY UPON THEM TOTALLY.
ALL OPERATIONS ARE VERIFIED WITH AT LEAST TWO SEPARATE SOURCES OF DATA.
>> SO YOU DON'T BILL UNLESS YOU HAVE A VERIFIABLE LANDING, OR IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY TOUCH DOWN AND DO YOU PREFER NOT TO BILL THE PERSON OR YOU CAN'T VERIFY THE LANDING?
>> HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO RENT AIRPLANES?
>> GREAT QUESTION. WHOEVER IS FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AIRCRAFT RECEIVES THE INVOICE.
IN A RENTING SCENARIO, THAT WOULD BE AN ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE AIRCRAFT OWNER AND THE RENTER.
>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. WHAT'S THE LEGAL RECOURSE IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PAY?
>> WONDERFUL QUESTION. WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION AS WE ARE JUST DOING THE COLLECTIONS ON YOUR BEHALF.
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE AIRPORT.
WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES WHERE THE AIRPORT HAS TAKEN A SPECIFIC TENANT OR AN AIRCRAFT OPERATOR TO PAY.
IF THEY HAD NOT PAID A FEE, THEN THEY WOULD PURSUE LEGAL ACTION.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, MOST AIRCRAFT OPERATORS THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH PAYING LANDING FEES, AND EVEN THOSE THAT AREN'T, THEY SEE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE AIRPORT'S CARE AND MAINTENANCE.
AS WELL AS IF THERE WAS AN OPERATOR WHO WAS CONSISTENTLY LATE IN PAYING A FEE, WHAT WE DO IS WE ACTUALLY TRACK THAT ACTIVITY OVER TIME.
IF WE SEE THAT A SPECIFIC OPERATOR IS LATE CONSISTENTLY IN PAYING THOSE FEES, WE WILL REACH OUT PREEMPTIVELY AND PROACTIVELY.
AND JUST WITH A, WE CALL IT BENEVOLENT PERSISTENCE, BUT PHONE CALLS, EMAILS, TEXT MESSAGES, PHYSICAL MAIL THAT IS CEASING AND CONTINUOUS OVER TIME, OPERATORS EVENTUALLY DO PAY.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED TRULY THAT MUCH PUSHBACK.
WHEN ANY NEW FEE IS PUT IN PLACE, WHEN A NEW TOLL IS PUT ON A ROAD, THERE'S A LITTLE DISAGREEMENT, THERE'S MURMURINGS AND THERE'S A LITTLE UPSET.
BUT USUALLY, WE FIND THAT AFTER A FEW WEEKS THAT SIMMERS DOWN OVER TIME, AS IT IS A MINIMAL FEE AND IT IS NOT A MAKE OR BREAK SITUATION FOR AN OPERATOR.
>> MISS GLEN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
LET'S TELL YOU MY PLANE WEIGHS 1,500 POUNDS, DO YOU ON CHARGING ME FOR 2000 POUNDS OR 1,000 POUNDS?
>> ONE THOUSAND POUNDS, MA'AM.
>> OKAY. JUST WANTED TO CHECK.
>> I HAVE ONE MORE. WITH YOUR CURRENT EXPERIENCE AT OTHER AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY WITH BIG FLIGHT TRAINING ORGANIZATIONS SUCH RIDDLE AND THE OTHER ONE THAT WE SEE A LOT HERE IS ATP HAS A PRETTY LARGE OPERATION IN JACKSONVILLE, ARE THOSE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT PRETTY OPEN TO PAYING WHATEVER FEES COME THEIR WAY?
>> YES. WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE IS, AND WE HAVE AIRPORTS THAT WE WORK WITH THAT RECEIVE A HIGH AMOUNT OF OPERATIONS DUE TO FLIGHT TRAINING, WHAT WE SEE IS THAT FEE IS PASSED ALONG TO THE STUDENTS.
STUDENTS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVE BEEN GETTING INCREASED FUNDING FOR SCHOLARSHIPS AND FOR AVIATION TRAINING BECAUSE OF THE SHORTAGE IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY PUSHBACK FROM EMBRY-RIDDLE OR OTHER FLIGHT TRAINING SCHOOLS.
>> THE LANDING FEES ARE BASED OFF THE MAX LANDING WEIGHT OF AIRCRAFT?
>> CORRECT. IT'S BASED OFF THE MAX LANDING WEIGHT OR THE MAX TAKEOFF WEIGHT.
IT'S DEPENDENT UPON THE AIRPORT.
MOST OF TIMES IT'S THE MAX LANDING WEIGHT.
>> I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, MAYBE NOT FOR YOU, BUT HOW DO YOU CONTROL THE PR? IF PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE CHARGED TO LAND HERE, HOW DO YOU GET THE WORD OUT?
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BECAUSE GIVEN A CHOICE WITH TWO FIELDS IN THE SAME VICINITY, ONE HAS LANDING FEES, ONE DOESN'T, I WOULD GO TO THE ONE THAT DOESN'T.THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN OF GREAT CONCERN TO MOST OF THE FLORIDA AIRPORTS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE AT VIRTOWER ARE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH, AS SAM MENTIONED ABOUT 12 AIRPORTS THAT ARE IN THE LOCAL VICINITY THAT ARE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT LANDING FEES.
WE WANT TO DO A UNIFIED APPROACH SO THERE ISN'T ONE AIRPORT THAT IS CHARGING LANDING FEES, ANOTHER THAT IS NOT AND HAVING THE TRAFFIC DISPERSED IN YOUR EXAMPLE UNFAIRLY.
WHAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED AS A FEE AGAIN IS A VERY AVERAGE FEE.
IT'S A MINIMAL FEE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY TAKE INTO THE ACTUAL ACCOUNTING BASED ON PER THOUSAND POUNDS.
WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE YOUR TRAFFIC THAT SEVERELY, BUT WE ARE WORKING TO HAVE A UNIFIED APPROACH SO THAT THE FEES WILL BE UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED.
>> DOES THE AIRPORT PROVIDE YOU WITH A LIST OF TOP USERS FOR YOUR PR?
>> CORRECT. WITH THE TOP OPERATORS THAT WE WOULD SEND OUT THOSE EMAILS AND PUBLIC MAILS INFORMING THEM OF THE CHANGES, WE WOULD RELY UPON YOU AS THE AIRPORT, AS WELL AS FOR YOUR BASE LIST AND OR SIGNATORY LIST.
THESE WERE WONDERFUL QUESTIONS.
I SO APPRECIATED THEM. ANY MORE?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND VIRTOWER.
IS THIS A PART OF YOU OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU HAVE UTILIZED IN THE PAST IN ORDER TO?
I WAS WONDERING IF EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT VIRTOWER WAS.
VIRTOWER IS A AIRCRAFT TRACKING SYSTEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
WE'VE HAD AT THE AIRPORT FOR QUITE A WHILE.
IT TELLS US THE TAIL NUMBER, IT GIVES US THE LANDING.
IT'S A SYSTEM WE ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE AND WE'VE BEEN PAYING FOR.
JUST RECENTLY, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AGREED TO PAY OUR VIRTOWER BILL FOR BASICALLY EVERY AIRPORT IN FLORIDA.
IT'S BEEN COSTING US $6,000 A YEAR.
NOW FDOT IS GOING TO PAY FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS KIND OF INFORMATION.
IT'S FORTUNATE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IT AND THAT'S THE SYSTEM THEY'RE GOING TO BE RELYING ON A LOT.
WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR.
>> AGAIN, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE ONE OF THESE IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AND I'LL START.
>> THANK YOU. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I INVITE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LISTS HERE.
THE FIRST SPEAKER WE HAVE IS VICKI SOMORA.
EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO COMMENT AND THEN THE BOARD WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND MYSELF TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS AT THE END.
>> GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 4406 TITLEIST DRIVE IN THE PARKWAY NORTH SUBDIVISION.
I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR 25 YEARS, AND THIS IS THE FIRST AIRPORT COMMISSION MEETING I'VE EVER BEEN TO.
I'M HERE TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF LANDING FEES.
I KNEW WHEN I MOVED NEXT TO THE AIRPORT IN 1999, THAT I WAS MOVING NEXT TO THE AIRPORT.
THE AIRPORT TRAFFIC BACK THEN 25 YEARS AGO WAS MINIMAL WITH PLANES TAKING OFF OCCASIONALLY, AND THESE TAKEOFFS WERE QUICK AND THE NOISE STOPPED WITHIN 10 SECONDS.
OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE AIRPORT TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY.
THIS IS DUE TO THE TOUCH-AND-GO ROUTINE OF THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
THE NOISE HAS GOTTEN UNBEARABLE.
WHEN THE FLIGHT SCHOOL STUDENTS TAKE OFF, IT'S A GOOD 30 SECONDS OF NOISE AS THEY SLOWLY CLIMB.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, APRIL 16TH OF 2022, I COUNTED 20 TAKEOFFS IN ONE HOUR ON RUNWAY 13, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO MY HOUSE.
I CONTACTED THE AIRPORT TO GET THE TRACKING ON THAT DAY, AND THE REPORT SHOWED ONLY SEVEN TOUCH-AND-GOES AND 13 TAKEOFFS.
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I COUNTED 20 IN ONE HOUR, AND THIS WENT ON FOR HOURS, THE TOUCH-AND-GOES.I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU TRACK TOUCH-AND-GOES OR IF THEY ARE TRACKED.
BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE TWO OR THREE AIRPLANES CIRCLING DOING THE TOUCH-AND-GOES, SO THERE'S NEVER PEACE.
THEY'RE CONSTANTLY TAKING OFF AND CIRCLING.
THE CHRONIC NOISE HAS NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON PEOPLE'S MENTAL HEALTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
I FULLY SUPPORT IMPLEMENTATION OF LANDING FEES FOR OUR AIRPORT IF THIS CUTS DOWN ON SOME OF THE NOISE. THANK YOU.
>> NEXT, WE HAVE MR. NATE COYLE.
I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF BENT WING FLIGHT SERVICES, THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR OF THE AIRPORT.
I WANTED TO ASK AS YOUR LARGEST TENANT, I'M GOING TO ENDEAVOR TO GET DONE IN THREE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE IF I SPILL IT OVER, IF THAT'S OKAY.
WE'RE THE AGENCY THAT'S MOST LIKELY TO BE FINANCIALLY IMPACTED BY THIS PROPOSAL.
I'D LIKE TO ASK IF I COULD GET THROUGH SOME NOTES WITH YOU IF YOU'LL ACCEPT THAT.
AS I MENTIONED, I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF BENT WING FLIGHT SERVICES.
MY ADDRESS, I'M SORRY, I OMITTED THAT WHICH IS 32444 FERN PARKWAY, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
FOR THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DON'T KNOW THAT THE FIXED BASE OPERATE AT THE AIRPORT PROVIDES A MULTITUDE OF SERVICES TO OFF USERS, SPECIFICALLY, WERE THE WELCOMING COMMITTEE FOR YOUR TRANS AND AIRCRAFT THAT USE THE AIRPORT.
WE PROVIDE FUELING SERVICES, PASSENGER SERVICES, SERVICES TO AIRCRAFT THAT NEED HELP WHILE THEY'RE VISITING FERNANDINA BEACH IN THE AIRPORT, AND WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 2018.
JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY FOR THE AIRPORT IN 2017, WHEN THE LAST FBO OPERATOR CEASED THEIR OPERATION, THE NEW FBO OPERATOR CAME IN.
THE AIRPORT WAS IN A STATE WHERE IT WAS RECEIVING ABOUT A HALF MILLION DOLLAR A YEAR IN REVENUE.
FUEL FLOW WAS ABOUT 255,000 GALLONS A YEAR JET AND A GAS AND THE TOTAL REVENUE RECEIVED FROM THE FBO ANNUALLY AT THE TIME WAS ABOUT 35,000.
SINCE THEN, IN ONLY A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD, THAT ANNUAL REVENUE FOR THE AIRPORT HAS GROWN TO ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS YEAR.
WE'RE AT ABOUT 500,000 GALLONS, ABOUT 84% OF THAT IS JET FUEL.
THE ANNUAL PAYMENT TO THE AIRPORT IS $200,000 A YEAR, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR LAND LEASE, OUR BUILDING LEASE, THE FUEL FLOWAGE REVENUE THAT THE AIRPORT GETS FROM THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR.
WE'RE SUBSTANTIAL CUSTOMER TO THE AIRPORT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL REVENUE FOR ABOUT 20% OF THE OVERALL REVENUE, IF YOU TAKE OUT THE NON-AVIATION USES, WE'RE A LITTLE UNDER 30%.
SO WE'RE ONE OF THE WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST SINGLE SOURCE REVENUE PRODUCERS AT THE AIRPORT.
WE ARE HERE TO OPPOSE LANDING FEES THIS EVENING AND I'LL WALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE REASONS AS TO WHY THAT'S THE CASE.
AS A REMINDER, LANDING FEES ARE DISCUSSION THAT ARE BASED ON FINANCIAL NEEDS.
I'M FULLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE NOISE CONCERNS THE COMMUNITY I SAT IN SAM'S ROLE, OBVIOUSLY FOR A LONG TIME, AND I HAD CHALLENGING CONVERSATIONS THERE, BUT THE PURPOSE OF LANDING FEES AND RATES AND CHARGES IS TO MEET THE FINANCIAL NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT, THE OPERATING CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT AND THE FA IS PRETTY CLEAR IN THAT DEFINITION.
I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS THAT DISCUSSION BASED ON THAT.
AS THE PROVIDER OF SERVICES TO TRANSIENT AIRCRAFT, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROPOSAL.
I THINK I HEARD IN A RECENT MEETING THAT, NO FORMAL PROPOSAL OF A FEE SCHEDULE HAS BEEN RELEASED, BUT THE RANGE COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM FOUR DOLLARS TO A PISTON UP TO $500 FOR A LARGE SHEET.
THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY IMPACT YOUR LARGEST CUSTOMER AT THE AIRPORT, OUR LARGEST CUSTOMER, FUEL VOLUMES AT THE AIRPORT, FUEL FLOWAGE, IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR FEE SCHEDULE, OUR FUEL PRICING, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY BE HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THAT TYPE OF FEE STRUCTURE.
[NOISE] I THINK IN A SUMMARY THERE, THE AIRPORT IS GOING TO HAVE A REVENUE IMPACT.
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WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE OUR FEE STRUCTURE WILL BE IMPACTED BY THAT.I DON'T THINK IT'S AS EASY AS WE WILL CREATE A NEW REVENUE SOURCE AND THEY'LL BE NO OTHER IMPACTS THERE.
I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, A MAX GROSS TAKE OFF IMPACT TO AN AIRCRAFT COMING IN AND YOU'RE ADDING A $500 FEET TO AN AIRCRAFT, YOU THINK THERE'S NO IMPACT THAT? THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE IN BUSINESS WORLD.
AS EXPRESSED, AND I THINK IT IS HONEST, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE WILL BE A FEE THAT'S PASSED ALONG TO THE STUDENTS FROM FLIGHT SCHOOLS.
OUTSIDE OF THIS ROLE, I'M DEFINITELY A LONGTIME ADVOCATE OF GENERAL AVIATION.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF NOISE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I KNOW IN OUR INDUSTRY, WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD TO PRODUCE PROFESSIONAL PILOTS.
I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF NON-PROFITS HERE LOCALLY AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY HERE WE'RE WORKING HARD TO PRODUCE FUNDS TO PROVIDE SCHOLARSHIPS TO STUDENTS TO HELP FUND THE VERY EXPENSIVE COSTS OF BECOMING PROFESSIONAL PILOTS.
I THINK AS A GENERAL ADVOCATE OF PRODUCING LANDING FEES OF GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN THIS COUNTRY AND A SYSTEM.
I'M IN OPPOSITION OF THAT AS WELL.
I THINK WE'RE INCREASING THAT COST AND WE'RE WORKING HARD TO FILL THAT GAP OF PROFESSIONAL PILES AND WE'RE MAKING THAT MORE DIFFICULT.
I THINK THE QUESTION COMES IN AS TO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CAUSE OR THE REASON OF THE LANDING FEES, WHY ARE WE DOING IT? HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FINANCIAL SOLUTION AND WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED THE FINANCIAL PROBLEM.
I THINK THE FA IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHY YOU PUT RATES AND CHARGES IN PLACE.
WE'VE ALREADY RUN TO THE FINISH LINE, AND WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT OF SOME FUNDING SOURCE, AND WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED A FUNDING NEED.
WE KNOW THE AIRPORT ENTERPRISE PRODUCES ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, PUTS ABOUT $300,000-400,000 IN FUND BALANCE HAS ABOUT $900,000 THIS YEAR, PROBABLY IN ITS FUND BALANCE TO FUND PROJECTS.
THERE'S NOT AN ANALYSIS OF THE CASH FLOW IN FRONT OF US OR ANY IDENTIFICATION OF WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEED FOR A REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE AIRPORT.
I THINK WE'RE MISSING THE INTENT THAT THE FA HAS GIVEN US FOR ESTABLISHING AND USING RATES AND CHARGES.
SOME QUESTIONS I ENDEAVOR FOR THE AAC TO ASK.
NUMBER 1 IS, WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL NEED LEADING TO THE PROPOSAL OF LANDING FEES? HAVE WE DONE A CASH FOR ANALYSIS? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OUR CAPITAL PLAN? HAVE WE IDENTIFIED WHERE WE NEED MONEY TO APPLY TO PROJECTS? IF YOU LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR CAD, THIS SOMETHING I READ LATELY WAS WE'VE GOT A RUNWAY PROJECT COMING.
I THINK I HEARD RECENTLY THAT 1341 IS NOW 100% FUNDED BY THE STATE.
IF THAT'S 100% FUNDED, THAT'S OFFSETTING A LOT OF THE NEEDS FOR YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK CLOSELY AT THAT.
AS A REMINDER, THE AIRPORT GETS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING FROM THE FA AND THE STATE.
THAT MONEY FROM THE AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM COMES FROM, AS AVIATION USER FEES, AVIATION FUEL TAX, SAME WITH IN THE FDS AVIATION PROGRAMS, AVIATION FUEL TAX.
SOMETIMES I HEAR THAT FOLKS USING AIRPORTS AREN'T PAYING INTO THAT SYSTEM THERE, BUT THEY'RE DEFINITELY PAYING WITHIN THE SYSTEM, AND THE AIRPORT IS GETTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, SIMILAR TO THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY.
I KNOW THAT MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER FOR EVERYBODY, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY AN ANSWER WHERE THEY'RE PAYING INTO THE SYSTEM AND HELPING TO FUND THAT SYSTEM.
IT'S NOT CORRECT TO SAY THEY'RE NOT PAYING AT THAT AIRPORT.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
THE AIRPORTS GETTING A LOT OF GREAT BENEFIT THERE.
IF THERE IS A FINANCIAL NEED FOR THE AIRPORT, WHAT ARE THE FINANCIAL OPTIONS? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEEDING FUNDING, IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT NEED, NORMALLY IT'S, NORMAL COURSE TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL REVENUE OPTIONS TO PRODUCE THE REVENUE YOU NEED TO COVER THAT NEED.
HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SOLUTION.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT MULTIPLE OPTIONS TO PRODUCE REVENUE IF WE DO INDEED HAVE A PROBLEM.
A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, THE FBO HAS IDENTIFIED A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO PRODUCE $150,000 IN NEW REVENUE TO BUILD HANGERS.
THAT'S A PROJECT THAT COULD MEET THE NUMBER 1 DESIRED NEED OF THE AIRPORT BY PRODUCING HANGER STORAGE AND PRODUCE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PROJECT TO PRIORITIZE AND MOVE FORWARD TO CREATE REVENUE FOR THE AIRPORT.
I JUST WANT TO READ SOMETHING SHORT BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STEP, AND I PROMISE SOMETHING DON'T [LAUGHTER] GET [INAUDIBLE].
THE FA RATES AND CHARGES POLICY STATES.
I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT, AIRPORT PROPRIETORS SHOULD CONSULT WITH AERONAUTICAL USERS WELL IN ADVANCE, IF PRACTICAL OF INTRODUCING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN CHARGING SYSTEMS AND PROCEDURES OR IN THE LAY CHARGES.
THE PROPRIETOR SHOULD PROVIDE ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO PERMIT AERONAUTICAL USERS TO EVALUATE THE AIRPORT PROPRIETORS JUSTIFICATION FOR THE CHANGE AND TO ASSESS THE REASONABLENESS OF THE PROPOSAL.
FOR CONSULTATIONS TO BE EFFECTIVE, AIRPORT PROPRIETORS SHOULD GIVE DUE REGARD TO THE VIEWS OF AERONAUTIC USERS INTO THE EFFECT UPON THEM OF CHANGES AND FEES.
LIKEWISE, OF COURSE, AERONAUTICAL USERS SHOULD GIVE DUE REGARD TO THE VIEWS OF THE AIRPORT PROPRIETOR AND THE FINANCIAL NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT.
YOU'RE BEING ASKED FOR A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING, BUT A CRITICAL STEP IN THE PROCESS FROM THE FA HAS BEEN MISSED HERE.
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WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROPOSAL A FEE SCHEDULE IN FRONT OF US.I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE OTHER AERONAUTICAL TRANSIT USERS HAVE BEEN INVITED IN THIS CONVERSATION.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUST LOOK CLOSELY AT THE FAS PROCESS AND WHAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED.
IT'S A SHOULD. IT'S NOT A MAY OR A PLEASE DO.
LET ME SEE. FINALLY, FERNANDINA BEACH IS A GE RELIEVER AIRPORT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO RELEASE SOME CONGESTION IN THE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT PROVIDE ACCESS FOR GENERAL AVIATION.
I THINK ONE REASON I'M NOT A PILOT FOR FOLKS IN THE ROOM.
I'VE NEVER FLOWN IN ANY TRAFFIC CONTROL AIRPORT MANAGEMENT MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED BY THE SYSTEM, THE WAY IT WAS PUT TOGETHER IN VERY SLICK FASHION TO FUND ITSELF AND PROVIDE GREAT ACCESS TO AIRPORTS FOR FOLKS, WHETHER IT'S A SMALL AIRPLANE OR A JET.
I THINK WE'VE BUILT AN INCREDIBLE SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY.
I HOPE WE COME TOGETHER TO KEEP IT AS AN INCREDIBLE SYSTEM AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION OR THE STATEMENT. I WANT THROW OUT THERE.
THERE WAS NOT A LANDING FEE IN MY OPINION THAT ENCOURAGES FUEL SALES.
THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. SOME STUFF SOUNDS GOOD, KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DIG A LITTLE BIT HARDER AND LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER, IF I MAY BE ALLOWED.
I'M WITH THE FERNANDINA OBSERVER, 1586 CANOPY DRIVE.
RESPECTFULLY, MR. COYLE MADE HIS POINTS.
HE MADE HIS POINTS IN 10 MINUTES AND 22 SECONDS.
YOUR POINT OF ORDER IS THAT YOUR THREE MINUTE RULE IS NOW INVALID BECAUSE YOU'VE ALLOWED ONE SPEAKER 10 MINUTES, 38 SECONDS.
ALL SUBSEQUENT SPEAKERS SHOULD BE ALLOWED THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. THANK YOU.
>> I MAKE GOOD POINT OF ORDER THAT RESPECTFULLY.
WE'RE THE LARGEST TENANT ON THE AIRPORT.
THIS IS THE LARGEST RECORD FOR.
I UNDERSTAND PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WE ALSO ARE A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF GIVING INFORMATION.
THERE'S A REASON I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE LONGER COMMENT FROM THEM.
>> NEXT SPEAKER, SHERRY ROWAN.
>> SHERRY ROWAN, 1586 CANOPY DRIVE. GOOD EVENING.
MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED INTO OUR PLEASANT NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARKWAY NORTH ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.
WE KNEW THERE WAS AN AIRPORT NEARBY.
WE INQUIRED ABOUT NOISE BEFORE WE PURCHASED OUR HOME, AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS A SMALL COMMUNITY AIRPORT, NO TOWER, NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THAT PROVED CORRECT.
WE DIDN'T MIND AND STILL DON'T MIND INTERMITTENT NOISE.
HOWEVER, THAT CHANGED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO OR SO.
AIRPLANE NOISE HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY.
ON MANY DAYS, THE NOISE IS ALMOST CONSTANT.
I TOO HAVE COUNTED PLANES SOMETIMES AS MUCH AS ONE PLANE EVERY FIVE MINUTES FOR HOURS ON END.
WE HEAR THE NOISE BEGINNING EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND IT SOMETIMES GOES ALL DAY, WELL INTO THE NIGHT.
IT HAS MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO SIT OUTSIDE AND ENJOY OUR YARD BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT NOISE.
WHEN WE HAVE CALLED THE AIRPORT TO COMPLAIN, WE'RE TOLD THAT FLIGHT SCHOOLS ARE PERFORMING TAKE OFF ON LANDINGS, AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
I URGE THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER THE SIGNIFICANT HUMAN IMPACT FROM DRAMATIC INCREASES IN NOISE ON THE MANY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT SURROUND OUR AIRPORT.
FLIGHT SCHOOLS USE OUR AIRPORTS AND ERODE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE WITHOUT PAYING A CENT TO SUPPORT THIS TAXPAYER-FUNDED AIRPORT.
THEY USE OUR AIRPORT AND GRADE ON OUR NERVES WITH NO BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
PLEASE CONSIDER ASSESSING A LANDING FEE AND USE THE FUNDS FOR THE UPKEEP OF OUR AIRPORT, OR PERHAPS TO CONSIDER NOISE MITIGATION STRATEGIES SO YOU CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THE PRESENTATION BY VECTOR IS CORRECT AND MORE AIRPORTS DO ENACT LANDING FEES, I WOULD URGE YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE FERNANDINA BEACH AIRPORT DOES NOT DO THAT.
IT SEEMS TO ME WE'LL ATTRACT EVEN MORE AIRPLANES AND FLIGHT SCHOOLS WHO WILL CONTINUE TO USE OUR AIRPORT FOR FREE AND ACCUMULATE MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR AIRPORT.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS SERIOUS ISSUE.>> THANK YOU. RICK HOWE, 4694 CARLTON DUNES DRIVE.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO STATE HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN HERE.
I WAS BORN IN 1959, AND I'VE LIVED MY ENTIRE LIFE AT A 50-MILE RADIUS.
I USED TO FLY IN HERE AS A KID ALL THE TIME AND DO MY PRACTICES AND STUFF, AND IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LEARN TO FLY.
I HAVE A PLANE TO THE AIRPORT. I'M A RESIDENT.
I UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE'S CONCERNS, JUST LIKE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS THAT GO ON IN LIFE THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I'M WALKING ON A BEACH THAT HAS NO DRIVING THAT SOMEONE COMES BY 30 MILES AN HOUR IN AN ELECTRIC BIKE.
I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S NOT A VEHICLE.
BUT MY POINT IS THIS, IS THAT I'M SHOCKED BECAUSE, QUITE FRANKLY, AS A PILOT, AND I'VE CALLED ALL MY PILOT FRIENDS, INCLUDING TALKING TO TOM, OUR EA PRESIDENT, AND NO ONE KNEW ABOUT THIS UNTIL THIS MORNING.
IT'S ON THE WEEK OF SUDDEN FUN, SO HALF OF OUR BUDDIES ARE ALL DOWN IN LAKELAND.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD THAT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME WORKSHOPS HERE.
WE KNOW THAT THE FA REQUIRES OUR PARTICIPATION, IT'S IN THE LAW.
I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS, I THINK EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT, THIS IS ABOUT REVENUE.
A LOT OF THESE FOLKS HOPE THIS WILL DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY.
IN A BUSINESS MODEL, YOU CAN'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN JUST TO MAKE YOUR REVENUE AND YOU RUN THE CUSTOMER AWAY, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK TO MAKE REVENUE.
LET'S JUST BE HONEST, IF THAT'S WHAT THE INTENT IS, THEN MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
I WENT ONLINE AND LOOKED AT ALL THESE SO-CALLED 60 AIRPORTS THAT THEY HAVE.
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH, AND AS A PILOT, I HAVE ACTUALLY FLOWN IN MANY OF THESE, OUR BUSINESS WE HAD TULEAR 55-60, 800 HAWKER XP, I'VE GONE TO A LOT OF THESE AIRPORTS.
DALLAS LOVE AIRFIELD IS NOT OUR AIRFIELD, IT'S A TOWERED AIRPORT.
EAST HAMPTON'S, NEW YORK, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE FLYING IN NEW YORK CITY.
WITHAM FIELD, THE CLOSET IS STUART, BUT THAT'S JUST A SUBURB OF WEST PALM BEACH NOW, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
SONOMA COUNTY, WE'RE COMPARING US TO SONOMA COUNTY? CAPE COD, SERIOUSLY? ASPEN, COLORADO, SAN BERNARDINO, CALIFORNIA.
I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL TOWERED RUNWAYS.
PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T WANT TO BE THESE PLACES, BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO USE A STANDARD THAT'S GOING TO COMPARE US TO THE LARGEST GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN THE WORLD.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE FREQUENCY AND THE TRAINING, WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOLUTIONS.
BUT I'LL ALSO REMIND EVERYBODY, JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS AGO, WE ALMOST HAD A FLIGHT SCHOOL, BOBBY WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THIS, WHO APPLIED TO COME HERE.
FAA SAID, YOU CANNOT DENY THAT FLIGHT SCHOOL FROM COMING HERE.
NATE WAS THE MANAGER BACK THEN.
IF FLIGHT SCHOOL SAYS, HEY, WE GOT TO CUT OUR FEES OUT, WE'LL JUST MOVE THE FLIGHT SCHOOL TO FERNANDINA.
WE'LL PUT 50 PLANES OUT THERE JUST LIKE THEY HAVE DOWN IN VERO BEACH.
GUESS WHAT? THE FAA SAYS, NO ONE HAS ANY SAY IN THAT MATTER.
JUST THINK ABOUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
YOU MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR A FLIGHT SCHOOL, A FLIGHT SCHOOL COULD JUST SAY, WE'LL TRUMP YOU.
WE'LL DROP 50 PLANES ON THIS FIELD, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WHAT YOU HAVE.
>> NEXT SPEAKER, MR. DON EDLIN.
>> DON EDLIN, 1548 RUSKIN LANE, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
IN THIS SHORT PRESENTATION, I'M GOING TO REFERENCE [INAUDIBLE] WHISKEY VICTOR, BROOKHAVEN CALABRO AIRPORT THAT WAS REFERENCED.
IT'S THE CLOSEST THING TO WHAT WE HAVE.
THERE ARE LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK.
I SPOKE TO THE ASSISTANT MANAGER TODAY.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY QUITE POSITIVE ABOUT THE SYSTEM, THEY DID SAY A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT.
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BUT THEY ARE CLOSEST TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.THEY'RE ABOUT 200 BASED AIRCRAFT, 60,000 OPERATIONS A YEAR.
SO THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE WITH FLIGHT SCHOOLS, PARACHUTE ACTIVITY, SMALLER CLASS G AIRPORT, CLOSURES NEARBY, TAKE ST. MARY'S, AND OTHER LARGE AIRPORTS THAT ONLY WANT CORPORATE TRAFFIC, THEY DON'T WANT ANY OF THE GA TRAFFIC.
AS I STATED TWO YEARS AGO, I AM AGAINST LANDING FEES.
LANDING FEES ARE NOT VIEWED FAVORABLY BY THE GA COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY A SURPRISE TO THE PILOTS THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, AND THEY'RE VIEWED MOSTLY AS IF WE DON'T WANT TO HERE TOOL.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY A PRECURSOR TO ACTUALLY WANTING TO SHUT DOWN THE AIRPORT EVENTUALLY.
I THINK [INAUDIBLE] TRIED TO SAY ABOUT YOUR LIST OF 60 AIRPORTS.
TRY FINDING A LIST OF THE AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA THAT HAVE A LANDING FEE FOR GA, FOR JUST TYPICAL TRAFFIC. YOU CAN'T FIND IT.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO NOTIFY OUR PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LANDING FEES, WE WANT TO NOTIFY THE OTHER AIRPORTS IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HOLD DOWN THE OPERATIONS.
OF THE AIRPORTS THAT, WAS ACTUALLY IN MIKE'S VLOG, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, HEADS UP YOU'RE GOING TO USE MY NAME IN THERE, THAT YOU HAD IN THAT VLOG, BROOKHAVEN WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY HAD A REFERENCE TO LANDING FEES IN THEIR SERVICES INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRPORT.
ALL THE OTHERS HAD NO REFERENCE TO LANDING FEES, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, AS RICK TALKED ABOUT, THEY'RE CLASS DELTA WITH ACTIVE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES.
SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY A GOOD COMPARISON.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK VECTOR, HOW MANY UNCONTROLLED AIRPORTS DO YOU HAVE THAT HAVE LANDING FEES? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ANSWER.
IT WILL INCREASE THE COST OF FLIGHT TRAINING, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
BROOKHAVEN TOLD ME THAT THEY DID SEE AN INITIAL DECREASE IN TOUCH AND GOES, THEN THE SCHOOLS FIGURED IT OUT, THEY JUST TRANSFERRED THE COST TO THE STUDENT AND THEY CAME RIGHT BACK UP.
SO IT REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THAT BIG OF IMPACT ON THE ACTIVITY.
YOUR LOCAL-BASED EXEMPTIONS TO THE FEE WILL ONLY LAST AS LONG AS EXPECTED FEE REVENUES ARE MET, BECAUSE THAT'S EASY TO TURN OUT A CHARGING DEVICE.
WITH THE UPCOMING CHANGES TO THE CLASS CHARLIE AIRSPACE, THERE COULD BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS FEE.
WHEN BROOKHAVEN TRIED TO IMPLEMENT IT, THEY WANTED TO SAY THAT IF YOU GOT WITHIN 30 FEET OF THE RUNWAY, THAT THEY COUNTED AS A TOUCH AND GO.
THE FAA SAID, "NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE TO TOUCH THE RUNWAY." WHAT HAPPENED AT BROOKHAVEN WAS, THEY SAID, OKAY, THEN THEY DID A LOT OF APPROACHES.
IT WENT FROM TOUCH AND GOES TO PRACTICE APPROACHES.
YES, WE HAVE THREE APPROACHES HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO, MAYBE NOT SEE MORE TOUCH AND GOES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE APPROACHES.
THE ACTIVITY IS NOT GOING TO DECREASE, WHICH I WAS ACTUALLY HOPING FOR.
IF LANDING FEES ARE APPROVED, THEN I WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER ALL THE FOLLOWING, AS IT MAYBE COULD HELP LESSEN THE ISSUE OF PATTERN SAFETY, WHICH IS MY BIG CONCERN.
YOU GUYS CALL IT NOISE, I CALL IT SAFETY.
WE'RE BOTH TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
DEFINE THE FEE AS A LANDING OR LOWER APPROACHES, IF ALLOWED, WHICH APPARENTLY, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED, AND DO NOT USE THE FERNANDINA BEACH AIRSPACE AS A QUALIFIER.
THIS WILL ALLOW TRANSIENT AIRCRAFT WHEN THE JACKSONVILLE CLASS C HAS CHANGED THE TRANSIT AIR AREA BELOW THE FLOOR OF THE JACKS.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEE TO ONLY IMPOSE
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A FEE IF MORE THAN THREE LANDINGS ARE MADE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD.THAT WOULD ALLOW CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS TO BE BET.
YES, I KNOW THE AWALL, SAYS IT'S FIVE.
BUT AT LEAST IF YOU DO MORE THAN THREE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A FEE ON YOU, AND IT'LL ADD MUSCLE TO THAT.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION, AND PEOPLE IGNORED IT.
THIS IS THE PART WHERE ALL THE LOCAL GUYS GET MAD AT ME, BUT PUT THE FEE ON EVERYBODY.
BROOKHAVEN DOES IT ON BOTH THEIR BASE AIRCRAFT AND TRANSIT AIRCRAFT.
THEY CHARGE $3 FOR THE BASE AIRCRAFT AND $7 FOR NON-BASED AIRCRAFT.
A LOCALLY BASED AIRCRAFT MAKING EIGHT TOUCH AND GOES CREATES THE SAME AMOUNT OF NOISE AND RUNWAY DETERIORATION AS A FAR AIRCRAFT WOULD.
TO ME, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE DO IT TO EVERYBODY.
WITH THAT THREE, BE IT A LIMIT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YES, MIKE TOOL, YOU CAN COME UP HERE AND DO IT, BUT WE WANT YOU TO COME AND DO IT AND GET OUT OF HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DEPARTURE AND THE ENTRY RETURNING PROBLEM WITH ANXIETY AND SAFETY AS THE ISSUES.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THE IMPLEMENTED FEE, PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE, BUT I'M STILL OPPOSED TO THE LANDING FEE TOTALLY.
>> HI, JENNIFER RADKE, 1566, CANOPY DRIVE, FERNANDINA BEACH.
I KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT AIRPLANES, AIRCRAFT, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN SAID, SO TAKE THIS ALL WITH THE GRAIN OF SALT WE BOUGHT RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE OBVIOUSLY KNEW WE WERE BUYING AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY.
I'VE NOT LIVED ON CANOPY DRIVE 27, WHATEVER ELSE WE WERE HEARING.
I THINK, EVEN IN THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE WE BOUGHT, I'VE SEEN HOW MUCH THE TRAFFIC HAS REALLY STARTED TAKING OFF NO PLAN UNINTENDED.
I WELCOME DAYS LIKE THIS MORNING, WHERE THEY WEREN'T OUT AND ABOUT ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I FULLY SUPPORT THESE LANDING FEES, WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
I WILL THE GUY LEFT, BUT I AM GOING TO LOOK RIGHT IN THE EYE AND SAY, MAKE THEM AS HIGH AS YOU CAN TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF HERE SO THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AS MUCH AS THEY POTENTIALLY COULD.
I DON'T THINK ANY FEE SOUNDS ASTRONOMICAL WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE FLYING THEIR PRIVATE PLANES IN HERE.
WELL, SOME PEOPLE BYPASS THE SYSTEM, WHETHER LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING WE HEARD TONIGHT? NO, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY A COMBINATION OF SAFETY AND FINANCES, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. WE NEED THE SAFETY THERE.
INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS MONEY TO MAINTAIN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED AN ANALYSIS DONE.
YES, YOU NEED AN ANALYSIS TO GET TO SPECIFICITY, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL INTELLIGENT PEOPLE.
YOU DON'T NEED AN ANALYSIS TO KNOW THAT IT COSTS MONEY TO MAINTAIN ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHETHER IT'S A BRIDGE OR ROAD OR A RUNWAY.
I DON'T WANT TO BE PAYING FOR IT AS A TAXPAYER.
LET THE PEOPLE WHO WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR ALL OF IT.
ANY KIND OF FEE THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED WILL HELP OFFSET THAT COST, MAKING THE PLACE SAFER, AND THE ADDED BENEFIT OF A LITTLE BIT LESS QUIET IF WE CAN GET RID OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF HERE. WITH THAT, THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEVE SHERMAN, 95035 WOODBURY LANE.
MOST OF YOU ALREADY KNOW ME FROM PAST TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION.
I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE NOISE ISSUE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO HAVE INDICATED THAT IT'S INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THEY'VE ADDRESSED THAT.
BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE VECTOR PRESENTATION.
I'VE BEEN FAMILIAR WITH VECTOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THEY'VE SUCCESSFULLY WORKED WITH AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
I COMMEND SAM FOR LOOKING INTO THIS, AND LOOKING FOR A WAY FOR THE AIRPORT TO PAY FOR THESE NEEDED CONSTRUCTION ISSUES.
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I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AIRPORT TO LOOK INTO THOSE THINGS.IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR THE AIRPORT TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL NEEDS.
IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AROUND THE COUNTRY. I'VE SEEN IT.
I THINK ONE THING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED, IS THAT, THE AMOUNT OF THESE COSTS IS MINIMAL.
NO, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE FIXED BASE OPERATOR HERE.
WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO CHARGE $3, 4 LANDING, I THINK, HE MISSED THE POINT.
NATHAN AND I HAVE TALKED FOR YEARS ABOUT THE AIRPORT ISSUES.
BUT I THINK THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A VALID PROPOSAL THAT SHOWS THAT THEIR OPERATIONS AND WHO THEY WORK WITH ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED AT ALL BY THIS.
A $2, 3 LANDING FEE FOR THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO AFFECT WHETHER THEY LAND HERE OR NOT.
I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT, GENERALLY, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO SOME OF THE THINGS HERE THAT THE AIRPORT DOES, BUT I'M SUPPORTING THE AIRPORT'S PROPOSAL ON THIS.
I THINK, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT AND REASONABLE FOR THE AIRPORT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THIS, AND IT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO SUPPORT THE AIRPORT. THAT'S ALL.
>> MAY I JUST RESPOND ON THE POINT STEVE HAS JUST STATED?
>> A POINT OF ORDER, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR SPEECH.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN JAVIER.
>> JOHN GINN, 4441 BEAN STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH.
HAVING SAT ON THE OTHER SIDE, REPETITION, I CAN'T REALLY ADD ANYTHING WHAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT IT SEEMS TO COME ACROSS CLEARLY THAT THIS NEEDS MORE WORK.
THE PERSON THAT SAID WE NEED TO WORK THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN HAS BEEN CONVEYED TONIGHT SO THIS IS NOT SETTLED IN MY MIND.
>> I HAVE CHANCE TO TALK ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED THIS WAS NEVER BROUGHT REQUESTING A PROPOSAL OR RECOMMENDATION.
I SAY THIS WAS FOR DISCUSSION.
I DID NOT EXPECT TO LEAVE HERE TODAY WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
IF ANYTHING, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE TABLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
THE BOARD HAD MORE TIME TO LOOK INTO IT AND THEN POSSIBLY COME WITH THE RECOMMENDATION NEXT MEETING.
BUT THIS WAS STRICTLY FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING NOW? THIS IS NEW.
I'VE BEEN IN AIRPORTS MOSTLY IN FLORIDA, MY WHOLE CAREER, 25 YEARS, AND I NEVER THOUGHT WE COULD DO THIS.
COLLECT THESE GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT.
BUT NOW THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE.
IN THE PAST FOR A SMALL GA AIRPORT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO HIRE A FULL-TIME PERSON TO STAND OUT ON THE RUNWAY 24 HOURS A DAY AND COUNT TELE NUMBERS.
BUT NOW THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY WITH EVERYBODY REQUIRED TO HAVE TRANSPONDERS, IT MAKES IT EASY.
AND IT'S NEW, BUT MY BELIEF IS IT'S A CHANGE THAT'S COMING.
I THINK IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, MOST AIRPORTS IN FLORIDA ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
ANOTHER POINT IS THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PROJECTS ON THE AIRPORT.
WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING SOURCES.
IT'S NOT THAT THE AIRPORT IS FINANCIALLY STRONG RIGHT NOW.
BUT YOU COULD GIVE ME $50 MILLION TOMORROW AND I COULD SPEND IT ON SAFETY PROJECTS WITHIN A YEAR.
THERE'S ALWAYS NEEDS FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE THE AIRPORT.
THERE'S JUST DRAINAGE ON THAT AIRFIELD ALONE.
NOT TO MENTION WE HAVE THREE RUNWAYS THAT THEY ONLY PARTICIPATE IN ONE.
IT'S UP TO US TO WORK WITH FDOT TO FUND THE OTHERS.
WE ARE TRYING TO GET 100% FUNDING, WHICH IS SOMETHING NEW INSTEAD OF AN 80/20.
HOPEFULLY THAT GOES THROUGH AND WE WILL BE BETTER OFF FINANCIALLY.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WE HAVE A FEW REAL OPTIONS CONSIDER.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST CONTINUE AS WE ARE NOT MAKE ANY CHANGE.
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THAT'S ONE OPTION.ONE OPTION IS TO GET A FULL PROPOSAL FROM VECTOR, AND WHAT THEY DISCUSSED IS BASED ON PER POUND WITH AN ESCALATING SCALE GOING FROM $4 TO $500.
OR THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER TYPE OF COMPROMISE THAT WE COULD CONSIDER IS THAT WE CHARGE PER POUND, BUT MAYBE ALL THE BASE TENANTS ARE EXEMPT AND MAYBE WE GIVE EVERYBODY ONE FREE LANDING A DAY.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CONSIDER.
IF WE DO THAT, WE WOULDN'T GENERATE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE SOMETHING.
THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE OPTION THAT I THINK WOULD HAVE LESS CONSEQUENCES FOR ANY POTENTIAL TRANSIENTS.
IF THEY'RE GETTING THAT ONE THREE A DAY, IF THEY'RE TRULY COMING IN ONCE A DAY, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT.
BUT WE WOULD NOT GENERATE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE.
IT PROBABLY GO FROM 200,000 A YEAR TO MAYBE 40,000 A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THAT'S THE THINGS YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT, AND THAT'S A POTENTIAL OPTION.
ANYBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
>> A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M THINKING OF, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO MAYBE PUBLISH A LIST OF OPTIONS THAT YOU'VE JUST DISCUSSED OR THAT YOU'VE HEARD OF THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE AT OTHER AIRPORTS? ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IS MAYBE A LIST OF UNFUNDED PROJECTS OR THINGS THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER USING THOSE KIND OF FUNDS FOR BECAUSE I REALLY HESITATE AT CREATING A REVENUE SOURCE WITH NO IDEA OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
>> KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
>> NO, I JUST WANT IT TO BE LIKE THAT.
>> WE HAVE A [OVERLAPPING] LAID OUT FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
WE HAVE THE REASON WE HAVEN'T BUILT T HANGERS, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE EXTRA REVENUE AT THIS TIME.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT DOESN'T SIT WELL WITH ME IS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM OTHER TENANTS, OTHER OPERATORS HERE A LOT WHO GO INTO THAT.
I THINK THAT MAYBE SOMEHOW PUBLICIZING THAT AMONGST ALL THE TENANTS THAT ARE AT THE AIRPORT SO THAT MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE AN INPUT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING OR EVEN AT THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE SIT UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE FAA AND WE DON'T WANT TO FIND OURSELVES BEING SCHOOLED BY THEM GOING WELL [OVERLAPPING] DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T DO THIS OR THIS OR THIS OR THAT.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DID SPEAK WITH OUR FAA PROGRAM MANAGERS TODAY ORLANDO AND THEY STARTED LOOKING INTO IT YESTERDAY BECAUSE THIS IS PRETTY NEW FOR THEM TOO.
THEY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF THIS AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, YES, IT IS ALLOWABLE AS LONG AS YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAA THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROCEDURE FOR THIS.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH ALL THIS.
THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT IS NOISE.
ARE THERE NOISE ABATEMENT SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT ALREADY AS FAR AS MAYBE RESTRICTIVE TOUCHING GOES FROM CERTAIN RUNWAYS WHERE THE OVERFLY NOISE SENSITIVE AREAS?
>> WE HAVE A VOLUNTARY NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, AND IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME AT EVERY AIRPORT I'VE EVER BEEN AT IN FLORIDA AND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO EXCEPT PUBLISH OUR GUIDANCE AND ASK PILOTS NOT TO FLY AT CERTAIN TIMES.
BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THEIR FIELD 24 HOURS AS MUCH AS THEY WANT.
IT'S STRICTLY A VOLUNTARY CURFEW.
>> JUST ON THE ON THE NOISE THING, WELL, GEORGE BROUGHT THAT UP, PEOPLE THAT ARE THE FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS AT THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS, THE PRIMARY ONES ARE THE ONES THAT COME OUT OF CRAIG, COME OUT HERE REGULARLY, IF WE COULD MAYBE SEND A REMINDER TO THOSE FLIGHT SCHOOLS TWICE A YEAR.
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BECAUSE THEY HAVE QUITE A HIGH TURNOVER OF STUDENTS AND FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, JUST A REMINDER.>> I THINK IT WAS MY FIRST QUARTER HERE.
I WENT AND VISITED THEM ALL PERSONALLY, SO IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO DO THAT AGAIN.
>> THEY WERE REALLY RECEPTIVE TO IT.
>> I KNOW NATHAN DID IT WHEN HE WAS A MANAGER AND BOBBY, THEY ALL WENT DOWN THERE.
THEY WERE RECEPTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING.
>> ONE MORE THING I WANT TO MENTION, THERE'S ACTUALLY A MEETING TOMORROW IN THE LAND WITH A LOT OF THESE AIRPORTS THAT ARE CONSIDERING THIS TO TALK, I WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE THIS MEETING, BUT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GATHER SOME GOOD INFORMATION AT THAT MEETING AND WHAT THESE OTHER AIRPORTS ARE DOING.
>> KEEP IT. MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WE CARRY THIS IS AN ONGOING THING.
>> I'M SORRY. I COULDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.
>> MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CARRY THIS ON THE AGENDA.
>> WE'LL KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME.
>> NEXT. DIRECTORS STAFF REPORT.
THE FINANCIAL REPORT, I APOLOGIZE.
[7.1 *Airport Financial Report]
I THOUGHT IT WAS LISTED IN THE PACKET.I WAS TRYING TO [INAUDIBLE] BUT WE TRIED.
>> YEAH. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
SO WE ARE FINANCIALLY STRONG STILL.
WE HAVE ALMOST 800,000 IN OUR RESERVES.
WE'RE ON COURSE TO BE IN THE BLACK AGAIN THIS YEAR, BASED ON OUR CURRENT SPENDING AND REVENUES.
REVENUES ARE GOING UP AND SPENDING IS STAYING LOW.
LET ME GET THAT IN A COUPLE OF PROJECTS.
SO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS WE HAVE COMING ARE [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING OUT FOR BID NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN THE FULL HANGER APRON IS GOING OUT FOR BID BY MAY.
SO THOSE ARE TWO OF THE BIGGIES.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR NEXT YEAR.
SO FOR NEXT MEETING I'LL SHARE MORE DETAILS ON THAT ON WHAT OUR BUDGET IS GOING TO BE LOOKING LIKE THAT I'M PROPOSING.
>> THE FIRE STATION IS GOING TO BE OPEN THIS MONTH? [LAUGHTER]
>> I TOOK THAT OFF MY REPORT FOR A REASON.
>> LAST I HEARD WAS MAY. OPENING IN MAY.
>> I STILL HAVE TWO WEEKS, THREE WEEKS.
>> BUT I HEARD THAT THREE WEEKS AGO [LAUGHTER] SO THAT'S PROBABLY CHANGED.
LET'S SEE. WHAT'S MY OTHER REPORT.
HERE WE GO. I WAS GOING TO ALWAYS MENTION THE OPERATION NUMBERS.
THEY I HAVE TO START OUT BY SAYING I THINK OUR VIRTOWER SYSTEM WENT DOWN SEVERAL TIMES.
SO I'M GLAD TO SAY SHE HAD BACK UP.
BUT WE ARE TALKING WITH VIRTOWER TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HARDWIRE IT.
THE WIFI ANTENNA KEEPS GETTING HIT BY LIGHTNING.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
BECAUSE THE NUMBERS I HAVE FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS SHOW 12,500 THIS YEAR, COMPARED TO 16,700 LAST YEAR.
SO I THINK THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT SOME OF THOSE DAYS WERE OUT THERE AND CONCOURSE.
BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS JUST AREN'T RIGHT.
THEY AGREED THEY HAD SOME OUTAGES.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET BETTER NUMBERS.
I MIGHT TALK TO VECTOR ABOUT GOING BACK AND TRACKING FOR US ON THESE.
LET'S SEE, THE SOCCER FIELD UPDATE.
I KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ISSUE THAT'S NOT MOVING QUICKLY ENOUGH.
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BUT WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION BECAUSE THEY ARE INVOLVED IN A GRANT THAT GOES BACK TO THE '80S.SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT CLEANED UP NOW BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE FAA.
SO THAT MIGHT KEEP US FROM HAVING TO DO THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PHONE CALL MEETING WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WITH THEM TOMORROW. SO THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.
>> HOPEFULLY THEY [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL.
>> YEAH. WE BELIEVE THEY WILL GIVE US A BLESSING.
BECAUSE IT'S A 40 YEAR OLD GRANT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WE WENT TO THE CITY AND RECEIVED A GRANT FROM FDEP FOR TWO EMERGENCY BACKUP GENERATORS, ONE FOR THE TERMINAL BUILDING AND ONE FOR THE THE FUEL FARM, NOT JUST SELF SERVICE.
EVENTS. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE [INAUDIBLE] WAS MY FIRST.
SO EVERYTHING, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WENT REALLY SMOOTHLY.
[INAUDIBLE] DID A GREAT JOB, FBO DID A GREAT JOB.
I WAS IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE VOLUNTEERS, ALL THE GROUPS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE EXPERIENCED ANYTHING.
>> DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF AIRCRAFTS THAT WE APPROVED?
>> I KNOW NATE DOES. THE FBO DOES, I SHOULD SAY.
>> MAYBE JUST A GENERAL UPDATE ON THAT.
I WOULD TIE OUR AIRCRAFT THAT WE SERVICE BY WE DO PPR SO WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE HAVE PARKING AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
I THINK WE TOOK ABOUT 150 PPRS, AND I THINK FUEL FLOWAGE, WHICH SAM GETS AS PUBLIC RECORD WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 35,000 GALLONS OF FUEL OVER THE COURSE OF A FEW DAYS.
SO WE SAW LESS PARKING AIRCRAFT AND A LOT OF TURNING TRAFFIC, AND YOU PROBABLY SAW THAT OUT ON THE CLOSED RUNWAY.
HISTORICALLY, WE'VE OFTEN FILLED THAT CLOSED RUNWAY, AND WE DEFINITELY HAD A LOT OF TURNING TRAFFIC THIS YEAR IN LIEU OF PARKING AIRCRAFT THAT WAS STAYING WITH US FOR A FEW DAYS.
BUT A GOOD EVENT, AND MANY THANKS TO THE AIRPORT FOR HELPING US OUT, HELPING US BE SUCCESSFUL.
>> IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THE WEATHER MIGHT HAVE PLAYED A FACTOR THIS YEAR.
IT SEEMED LIKE WE HAD A BAD FORECAST.
>> BUT I THINK THEY ALSO HAD AN OPPOSING.
>> CAR EVENT DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
>> ALSO ANOTHER EVENT WE HAVE COMING UP MAY 25TH IS A RUN THE RUNWAY 5K.
THAT'S BEEN DONE BY SOUTHERN TIMING FOUNDATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A WHEELS AND WINGS EVENT AUGUST 17TH, WHICH IS NATIONAL AVIATION DAY, BEFORE WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US?
>> [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING] A11.
>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ANYTHING NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY. NEXT MEETING DATE.
[10. NEXT MEETING DATE]
[OVERLAPPING] IN THAT CASE, WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING TONIGHT.>> THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.