Mar 21, 2024 Historic District Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

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THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL.

IS MY GUY.

MISS SYLVIE, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MEMBER POYNTER. HERE.

MEMBER KOSACK.

HERE. MEMBER FILKOFF.

HERE. MEMBER POZZETTA.

HERE. VICE CHAIR ESCULSA.

HERE. CHAIR SPINO.

HERE. AND MR. NORMAN HAS RESIGNED AS A RESULT OF A CONFLICT ON HIS TIME.

HE SENT HIS RESIGNATION IN TODAY.

SO LET'S RISE FOR THE PLEDGE.

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

MEMBERS, WE NEED TO SEE MEMBER FILKOFF FOR CASE 4.2.

AS MISS KOSACK HAS A CONFLICT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SEEING FILKOFF 4.2, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

MISS FILKOFF IS SEATED FOR 4.2.

MEMBERS, I'M GOING TO START WITH MISS FILKOFF ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

YES, SIR. I HAVE SPOKEN TO MISTY TORI COFFMAN ABOUT THIS CASE, AND I HAVE ALSO SPOKEN VERY BRIEFLY TO MR. MIRANDA AND STAFF.

VERY GOOD. AND I SPOKE WITH [INAUDIBLE] BRIEFLY AND READ HER STUFF.

I TOO READ THE EMAIL THAT WAS SENT THAT I THINK YOU TWO ARE REFERENCING.

AND I ALSO SHARED A DRAWING WITH JOSE SO THAT HE COULD ASSEMBLE A CONTEXT DRAWING OF THE STREET.

SO THE PROJECT I HAD DONE ON 10TH STREET, I SHARED THAT WITH JOSE SO WE COULD ASSEMBLE THAT.

I ONLY HAD THE LETTER FROM MR. KAUFMAN. MISS KOSACK, I HAVE THE LETTER.

AND THEN I ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL FROM A1A SOLAR FOR THE 315 SOUTH 7TH PROJECT.

GOTCHA. I HAVE SEVERAL, SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT IT.

I SPOKE VERY BRIEFLY WITH MR. AND MRS. GOLDEN ON SOUTH 7TH STREET ABOUT THEIR SOLAR PROJECT.

I SPOKE VERY BRIEFLY WITH MR. MIRANDA ABOUT THE NORTH WALL OF THE DURYEE BUILDING.

I ALSO DID A SITE VISIT TO THE DURYEE BUILDING AND SPOKE WITH ADAM JONES, CARPENTER THERE ABOUT HOW THEY WERE WORKING ON THAT AND OF COURSE, TALKED TO THE CONTRACTOR ABOUT THE BUILDING.

AND I BELIEVE, I APOLOGIZE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THEM ALL OUT THERE.

YEAH. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. AND, OF COURSE, YES, WE HAVE THE KAUFMAN TORI LETTER IN FRONT OF US.

OKAY. AND WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON.

COUNCIL QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES, PLEASE.

WE HAVE NO VARIANCES TONIGHT.

GOOD. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES, THOUGH.

WE HAVE EIGHT CASES. SO ALL OF THESE CASES, THE BOARD IS GOING TO CONDUCT A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING IN EACH.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FIRST, MISS GIBSON ON CITY STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD.

SOME OF THAT EVIDENCE IS ALREADY BEFORE YOU BOTH FROM THE CITY STAFF.

STAFF REPORT.

AND THEN THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICATION AND THEIR MATERIALS, THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THE RECORD ALREADY, BUT NEW EVIDENCE CAN BE INTRODUCED HERE TONIGHT.

SO IF THERE'S PAPERS OR PHOTOGRAPHS AMENDED PLANS, THOSE CAN COME INTO THE RECORD TONIGHT.

SO CITY STAFF SPEAKS FIRST, MAKES THEIR CASE, AND THEN THE APPLICANT AND OR THEIR AGENT WILL COME UP, SAY, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL ALSO BE TESTIFYING, INTRODUCING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY.

THE PARTIES, WHICH ARE THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT PROPERTY OWNER CAN CALL WITNESSES.

THEY CAN CROSS EXAMINE EACH OTHER'S WITNESSES AND ASK QUESTIONS OF EACH OTHER.

NEXT, AFFECTED PARTIES WOULD COME UP IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS AN AFFECTED PARTY, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND YOU WILL ALSO GET TO TESTIFY AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD. AFTER AFFECTED PARTIES AND THE PARTIES MAKE THEIR CASES, QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED OF BOARD MEMBERS.

THE CHAIR WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THE BOARD WILL DELIBERATE ON THAT CASE AND THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED, AND YOU WILL TAKE A VOTE.

TONIGHT THERE ARE NO VARIANCES, SO ALL MOTIONS ARE APPROVED BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY.

THREE OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS TONIGHT, IF THERE'S AN APPEAL OF ANY OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, THAT APPEAL GOES STRAIGHT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE BOARD'S DECISION.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

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SO IF ANYONE WISHES TO TESTIFY THIS EVENING, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT SURE, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO STAND AND LET MISS SYLVIE ADMINISTER THE OATH.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU.

MEMBERS HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING?

[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES? YES, I HAVE. GO AHEAD JIM.

SO I NOTED A COUPLE MINOR THINGS.

ONE, IT LOOKED LIKE UNDER OLD BUSINESS 4.1.

I THINK IT HAD IT LISTED LISTED UNDER THAT CASE AS ME RECUSING MYSELF FROM THAT CASE WHICH IS NOT THE WHICH WAS NOT ACCURATE.

I DID RECUSE MYSELF FROM 5.1, WHICH WAS HDC 2023-0112. THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT I WAS THE ARCHITECT ON AND RECUSED MYSELF FROM THAT ONE.

THEN I ALSO NOTED THAT IN THE COMMENTS THERE TALKS ABOUT A WINDOW BEING ROTATED 90 DEGREES.

THE WINDOW WAS ROTATED 180 DEGREES, NOT JUST 90.

ANY OTHER CHANGES MEMBERS? I HAVE A QUESTION. SINCE I WASN'T PRESENT LAST MEETING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THE FURMAN RESIDENCE, THE NORTH 6TH HOUSE, IT WAS APPROVED AS FINAL WITH A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CONDITIONS.

RIGHT. BUT IT WAS FINAL, NOT CONCEPTUAL.

THAT IS CORRECT. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE NOT RESUBMITTED THAT PLAN AS OF YET, SO IT'S STILL OPEN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT THE DIRECTOR IS CONFIDENT THAT SHE CAN REVIEW WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO SUBMIT, OR SHE'LL BRING IT BACK TO US.

LET'S BRING THAT UP BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN CASE.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IF I'M NOT HEARING ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THE MINUTES? SO MOVED. SECOND.

MOVED POYNTER.

SECOND FILKOFF.

ALL THOSE CALL THE ROLL.

YEAH, LET'S DO A ROLL ON IT. MEMBER POYNTER.

HERE. YES. MEMBER KOSACK.

YES. MEMBER FILKOFF.

YES. MEMBER POZZETTA.

YES. VICE CHAIR ESCULSA.

YES. CHAIR SPINO. YES.

THANK YOU. OKAY, BACK TO THE AGENDA HERE.

SO WE WILL BEGIN WITH HDC 2023-0080 STAUFFER FOR NELSON AT

[4.1 HDC 2023-0080 - MICHAEL STAUFFER ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR CHRISTOPHER + ELIZABETH NELSON, 614 BEECH STREET]

DIRECTOR. YES.

WE APPROVED THIS CONCEPTUALLY PREVIOUSLY.

IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IN ADDITION TO APPROVAL CONCEPTUALLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IT DID RECEIVE A VARIANCE IN FEBRUARY OF 2023 THAT IS NOW MADE PART OF THE FINAL APPROVAL CONSIDERED THIS EVENING.

FOR THIS CASE, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE CASES HEARD THIS EVENING, ALL THE APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID, AND ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS.

SO 614 BEECH STREET THIS EVENING, THE CONSIDERATION IS REMOVAL.

FINAL APPROVAL FOR REMOVAL OF A SHED.

REPLACEMENT OF A WINDOW WITH A FRENCH DOOR ADD A DECK ON THE WEST SIDE, A SCREENED PORCH ON THE EAST SIDE, AND REPLACING FRONT PORCH, AND WALKWAY WITH BRICK. STAFF DOES ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WOODEN STEPS REMAIN ON THE FRONT PORCH.

THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS THAT, AS OUTLINED IN THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT GUIDELINES ON PAGE 87, IT IS VERY SPECIFIC THAT THE USE OF MATERIALS SUCH AS BRICK, CONCRETE, OR WROUGHT IRON STEPS FOR WOODEN FRONT PORCHES ARE NOT RECOMMENDED.

I HAVE PROVIDED WITHIN THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO REFERENCE AS PART OF YOUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

AS WELL AS A PHOTO DETAILING THE EXISTING FRONT ENTRY THERE.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON.

SO THE VARIANCE THAT WAS APPROVED WAS FOR THE NEW PORCH CONSTRUCTION ENCROACHMENT INTO THE THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE DECK AS WELL.

THE PORCH. THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS, AS I READ THESE DRAWINGS, IT'S THIS HOUSE.

IT FILLS UP THIS PROPERTY.

SO IT'S VERY EASY TO GET INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.

JIM YOU HAD A QUESTION? HAD WE HAD REVIEWED THE WHOLE STEPS ISSUE THE PREVIOUS TIME, HADN'T WE? I BELIEVE SO. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WOOD VERSUS OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL ASK MICHAEL WHEN HE COMES UP.

BUT YEAH THAT'S MY MEMORY OF IT.

ALTHOUGH WHEN DID WE DO THIS.

FEBRUARY OF 2023.

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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? TAMMI. NO.

MAYBE. YEAH. THE VARIANCE THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET.

IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S JUST A TIMELINE EXTENSION.

DID WE APPROVE THE I DON'T REMEMBER, WE DID.

WE DID THE VARIANCE. I'M SORRY.

THAT'S HOW I REMEMBER IT. IS FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM TO WORK CASES.

YES. IT WAS BECAUSE THE VARIANCE IS A SEPARATE CASE AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM TO WORK WITH.

SO THEY WERE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THEIR SPACE.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IT.

YEAH. THE ONE OF THE PACKAGES FOR THIS PERIOD.

ALL RIGHT MICHAEL WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME ON UP, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD ONE POINT.

THE EXTENSION OF THE VARIANCE WAS PROVIDED IN ORDER TO ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CODE.

A VARIANCE AND ANY OF THE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD CAN CONTINUE FOR TWO SIX MONTH INCREMENTS, SO LONG AS THAT REQUEST IS MADE.

AND THERE'S SOME OTHER PROVISIONS THAT WE COULD GET INTO AT A LATER POINT THAT MAY EXTEND IT LONGER THAN THAT.

BUT THE REQUEST WAS MADE, AND SO IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED.

AND YOU PROVIDED THAT EXTENSION TO THE VARIANCE AS PART OF THE.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

VERY GOOD. MICHAEL.

GOOD EVENING. MICHAEL STAUFFER 422 SOUTH 6TH STREET.

AGENT FOR THE OWNERS.

YEAH. JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY ALL THAT STUFF.

YES, WE HAVE BOTH OF THOSE.

IT WAS THIS PORCH HERE, WHICH ACTUALLY WE SUBMITTED PHOTO DOCUMENTATION OF THAT, AS WELL AS SANBORN MAPS, WHICH SHOWED THAT THAT PORCH HAD EXISTED IN THE PAST.

AND THAT WAS PART OF WHAT HELPED YOU GRANT THAT VARIANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PIECE? THE ONLY OTHER PIECE WAS THIS DECK IN THE BACK, WHICH WERE A LITTLE BIT OVER ON THE DECK IN THE BACK, WHICH WAS VIRTUALLY UNSEEN.

SO I THINK EVERYBODY FELT THAT WAS DOABLE AND WE TOOK LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED GETTING CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHY WE CAME TO AND ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION ON THE VARIANCE.

I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER SIX MONTHS IF WE HAD RUN LONG, BUT WE'RE WE'RE OUT TO [INAUDIBLE] NOW.

SO AND IN ESSENCE, WE'RE ASKING FOR FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT.

EVERYTHING ON THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

THE ONLY CLARIFICATION THAT CAME UP WAS REGARDING THE FRONT STEPS WAS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU ALL ASKED US TO DO WAS THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF THE HOUSE, BILL LORD, HAD DONE SOME WORK ON THE HOUSE AND THE FRONT PORCH, AS IS NOW.

LET ME SHOW THAT PHOTOGRAPH.

HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY MODIFIED FROM WHAT IT WAS.

IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL PORCH BILL LORD AND HIS LETTER, I THINK IT'S IN THE FILE DID STATE THAT HE BUILT THAT FRONT PORCH.

IN REGARDS TO THE QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP ON NUMEROUS PROJECTS, I KNOW THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A PRECEDENT IN THIS TOWN, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE ARE.

THERE ARE NINE OUT OF TEN FRONT PORCHES IN DOWNTOWN HAVE BRICK STEPS LEADING UP TO A WOOD PORCH.

SO WE ARE ASKING AND REQUESTING PER THAT THAT WE CONSIDER THE REQUEST.

SINCE IT'S NOT ORIGINAL STEPS, WE'RE NOT DAMAGING ANY HISTORICAL MATERIALS, BUT WE ARE ASKING THAT WE GET APPROVAL FOR THE BRICK STEPS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT.

TWO PROJECTS OF MINE, AT LEAST IN THE PAST, HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THAT WAY.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT APPROVAL, IF WE COULD.

OTHERWISE, IT'S WHAT WE SUBMITTED THE FIRST TIME AND WHAT YOU APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.

AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR FINAL APPROVAL SO WE CAN START CONSTRUCTION.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. STAUFFER.

MICHAEL, I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION.

I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK THE EXISTING ROOF IS A METAL ROOF.

THE DRAWINGS SHOW ASPHALT SHINGLES, I THINK.

BUT LET ME SHOW IT. THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS METAL.

IT IS. AND THAT IS THAT'S IT'S NOT A CONTRASTING ROOF.

IT'S A MATCHING ROOF ON YOUR APPROVAL.

THAT'S CORRECT. JIM I THINK I WANT TO, JUST BECAUSE I NOTED THAT, KELLY, YOU HAD PASTED SOME OF THE LANGUAGE REGARDING FRONT STEPS.

AND I THINK I WAS JUST REREADING IT AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY IS THAT RULE THERE? JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF WHY IT'S IN THERE AND WHAT THE GOAL OF IT IS.

IT PRECEDES US.

I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT I COULD ARTICULATELY ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHY THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WAY.

IT'S NOT PROHIBITED TO ALLOW FOR BRICK STEPS.

IT'S SIMPLY NOT RECOMMENDED WHERE AND I THINK IT'S REALLY WHERE WOOD STEPS ALREADY EXIST? AND COULDN'T YOU CONJECT THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE WINDOWS THAT THE INTENT WAS PROBABLY IF IT WAS ORIGINAL, THEN YOU WOULD WANT TO RESTORE IT OR MAINTAIN IT OR REHAB IT.

BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S BEEN REDONE OVER TIME AND WE'RE NOT DESTROYING SOMETHING HISTORIC, RIGHT, RIGHT.

THAT WOULD BE HOW I WOULD INTERPRET IT.

WHAT DID LORD SAY? 88.

HE DID THIS IN 88.

YEAH. WHEN HE DID THE HOUSE.

YEAH, YEAH. AND FRANKLY, IT'S I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN EVEN PAM BROWN'S HOUSE ON NORTH 4TH STREET AND DID THAT.

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SO I MIGHT JUST ASK, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, SO I READ THE DRAWINGS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THESE DECORATIVE ELEMENTS HERE? ARE THEY STACKED? THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD GO AWAY IS THE HANDRAILS, THE RAILINGS COMING DOWN THE SIDES.

CORRECT. AND DO WE THINK LORD ADDED THESE IN 88? YES. HE SAID THAT.

HE MODIFIED THAT AND COPIED THESE.

THEN THESE ARE HISTORIC.

HE COPIED THESE AND HE BROUGHT THEM DOWN HERE.

THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN AND SO THIS COMES OUT AND IT GOES IN AS WOOD, IT GOES IN AS BRICK, SO IT GOES IN HIS BRICK.

YES. CORRECT. SO I GUESS OKAY.

WHY MAINTENANCE.

I GET THAT. IN ADDITION, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS AS SORT OF IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KNOW.

THERE'S A RULE IN THE BOOK WHEN NINE OUT OF TEN PLACES HAVE IT, AND INCLUDING MANY, MANY OF OUR, YOU KNOW, MOST ELITE STRUCTURES IN TOWN.

SO IT SEEMS THAT THAT PARTICULAR RULE IN MY MIND NOT TO GET OFF ON A DIFFERENT SUBJECT IS KIND OF AN ERRANT CODE WRITTEN OTHER THAN WHAT YOU KNOW, TAMMI WHAT YOU MENTIONED IS, HEY, IF IT WAS HISTORIC STAIRS AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN MODIFIED, IF THEY'RE JUST MAINTAINED IT WOULD TAKEN OFF AN HISTORIC STAIR WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I AGREE.

WELL, IN THE PIERS FOR THE HOUSE ARE BRICK PIERS.

CORRECT. SO BRICK STAIRS TIES IN WITH THAT.

IF IT WAS JUST THE ONLY BRICK ON THE HOUSE.

YEAH, RIGHT. IT'D BE A DIFFERENT STORY ALTOGETHER.

CONTEXTUALLY I SEE IT'S IN THE FOUNDATION ZONE.

IT'S A FOUNDATION ELEMENT BRICK WALL AND, AND FRANKLY I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PLANS.

OKAY. THERE IS ACTUALLY THERE ARE THE ORIGINAL STEPS FOR THAT SIDE PORCH THAT WE ARE REBUILDING ARE BRICK AND THEY EXIST.

RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT VARIANCE.

I THINK I ACTUALLY HAD A PICTURE OF STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

YEAH, THAT WAS COOL. AND YOU'LL KEEP THE BOARDS RUNNING NORTH SOUTH LIKE THAT.

THIS WILL STAY AS IS.

WHICH IS MORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE TOO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT A TONGUE AND GROOVE TYPE.

WE ARE ON OUR PORCH.

ON OUR SIDE PORCH, WE'RE DOING THE TONGUE AND GROOVE TO BE MORE HISTORIC IN NATURE.

OH, I DIDN'T HIT ON.

I HAVE A QUESTION, MICHAEL. I WAS LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, I THINK I SAW IT, BUT YOU'RE KEEPING ALL THE EXISTING SIDING ON THE HOUSE THAT IS NOW ENCLOSED BY THE PORCH.

ALL OF THAT IS THE SAME, RIGHT? CORRECT. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. YEAH.

THE ONLY THING WE'LL DO THERE IS THERE'S NAILING OVERTOP FOR SOME FLASHING AND FREE FLASHING ON IT.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. STAUFFER.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0080, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.

OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.

MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE.

REGARDING THE STEPS I CONCUR WITH WITH TAMMI WHEN I VIEW IT VERY SIMILARLY AS WINDOWS, IF IT'S FROM 88, THEN I THINK I THINK WHAT'S PROPOSED IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT'S THERE.

AND THEN. I AGREE.

REGARDING OTHER ITEMS. I MEAN, I THINK THE DESIGN BRINGS OTHER GOOD ITEMS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TURN COLUMN, BRINGING THAT ELEMENT INTO THE NEW PORCH.

I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY GOOD KEEPING THE EXISTING SIDING.

IT'S ALSO A GOOD ELEMENT.

SO WHEN WE APPROVED IT ORIGINALLY.

RIGHT, CONCEPTUALLY. CONCEPTUALLY WITH JUST THE QUESTION TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THOSE STEPS, I WENT TO THE MUSEUM AND I WAS WERE UNABLE TO CONFIRM WHAT THE PORCH LOOKED LIKE PREVIOUSLY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MR. LORD'S LONG HISTORY OF WONDERFUL RESTORATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY, IF HE SAYS HE BUILT IT IN 88, I GOT TO THINK HE BUILT IT IN 88.

DIRECTOR, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT PORCH PICTURE UP ONE MORE TIME, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLARITY ON THIS AS WE MOVE TOWARDS A DECISION.

I JUST WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR, THOUGH, THAT THESE ARE STAYING.

THIS FLOOR IS STAYING CORRECT.

THIS IS COMING OFF AND THIS IS COMING OFF.

CORRECT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO RECYCLE THOSE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'RE SURE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE THIS PORCH HAS TAKEN ON ICONIC STATUS SINCE YOU KNOW IN THE LAST 35 YEARS, 36 YEARS.

AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR MY NEIGHBORS COMPLAINING.

WHY DID YOU LET THEM DESTROY THAT BEAUTIFUL PORCH? BECAUSE I LITERALLY DO GET THAT.

SO IT'S NOT.

MAYBE FOR CLARITY.

WOULD IT HELP? AND I DON'T KNOW IF MIKE NEEDS TO COME BACK UP, BUT YOU'RE PROPOSING TWO WINGS COMING OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO THE STEPS WILL GO IN BETWEEN THE TWO

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THAT YOUR DESCRIPTION IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

OKAY. SO JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO IT'S STRAIGHT. IT'S COMING STRAIGHT.

STRAIGHT OUT. YEAH. SO I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR MICHAEL, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I JUST ON THE OTHER ON THE OTHER EXTENSION, THE OTHER PORCH YOU'RE REUSING THE CONCRETE, THE EXISTING CONCRETE STEPS.

THAT'S CORRECT. I HAD TO LOOK FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE.

YEAH, THEY'RE BURIED IN THE FIRM'S RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT. SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

DO YOU HAVE A CONTEXT ON, ON THOSE? I MEAN, ARE THEY ORIGINAL OR WHERE? AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THEY'VE NEVER BEEN REMOVED.

THEY DO. I THINK IT WAS ON ONE OF THE SANBORN MAPS THAT ACTUALLY DID SHOW STEPS ON THAT SIDE.

SO WHAT WERE THEY LEADING INTO? THE PORCH THAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

AND THEN SANBORN MAPS ALSO SHOWED IT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK REITERATE THAT IF BILLBOARD WASN'T SUCH A GOOD PAINTER.

THE GHOST LINES WERE THE ROOF USED TO BE WERE ONCE THERE, BUT THEY AREN'T ANYMORE.

SO THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MOVE THIS.

I CAN. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC2023-0080 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, BUT ALLOWING FOR THE BRICK STEPS TO BE INCLUDED.

YOU CAN SAY THAT. THAT'S FINE. OKAY.

AND THEN I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDING OF FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS AS PART OF THE LAW OF THE RECORD HDC CASE NUMBER HDC 2023 -0080 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TOWARD APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. MOVED POYNTER, SECOND KOSACK.

I WOULD JUST POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD THAT WHY ARE WE GOING AGAINST THE EXISTING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE RECOMMENDATIONS? BECAUSE THERE'S BRICK STACKS UP AND DOWN 7TH STREET AS WE AS I REVIEWED IT LAST NIGHT.

DIRECTOR. IT WOULD NOT BE AGAINST THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IT IS ONLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES ONLY.

BUT IT IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT APPROACH.

AND I THINK WE ALSO MIGHT WANT TO ADD THAT THEY WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE NON HISTORIC, PLUS THAT THERE'S EVIDENCE OF PREVIOUS MASONRY STEPS FROM THE SIDE PORCH.

SO WHO KNOWS. MAYBE THEY WERE MASONRY AT ONE TIME AND THEN THEY YOU KNOW THE SOFT MORTAR JUST CRUMBLED.

SO I THINK WE'RE COVERED WITH WHY WE'RE GOING AGAINST THAT.

EXACTLY. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MISS SYLVIE, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER POYNTER. YES.

MEMBER KOSACK. YES.

MEMBER POZZETTA. YES.

VICE CHAIR ESCULSA.

YES. CHAIR SPINO.

YES. HDC 2023-0113.

[4.2 HDC 2023-0113 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR DEAN PEARSON, 112 S. 10TH STREET]

THIS IS A FINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.

WE DID A CONCEPTUAL BACK A LITTLE WHILE AGO.

YES. I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

IT IS A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET, AND THIS WAS APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS, DIRECTED IN JANUARY OF THIS PAST YEAR.

JUST YESTERDAY. SO THE REQUESTED ACTION IS TO REMOVE EXISTING ADDITIONS, RESTORE WOOD SIDING AND WOOD WINDOWS, CONSTRUCT A 600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION AT 1000 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PORCH, AND TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE AND A HALF STORY ACCESSORY DWELLING AND STORAGE SHED. THE SITE PLAN IS PROVIDED FOR YOUR REVIEW AS WELL AS THE ELEVATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

STAFF HAS FOUND THAT THE PROPOSED RESTORATION PORT ADDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE NEW STRUCTURE AND THE ADDITION, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND ISSUES A RECOMMENDATION OF FINAL APPROVAL.

THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE BOARD DIRECTION PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY.

AS PART AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS LARGELY TIED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND IS WITHIN THE DRAWINGS SUBMITTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT BETTER UNDERSTANDING ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE REST OF THE STREET AND MODIFYING ITS DOMINANCE ON THAT STREET.

I THINK I HAVE A GOOD IMAGE OF THAT.

IT'S THE VERY FIRST ONE. YES.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THEM.

QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.

YES. THERE IS A PROPOSED EIGHT FEET HEIGHT ON THE BACK.

IS THAT ALLOWABLE BY THE LDC? YES, THAT IS ALLOWABLE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND C3 ZONED.

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THIS IS C3 ZONE. THAT'S CORRECT.

I FORGOT THAT FROM JANUARY.

OKAY. THANKS.

TIM. TIM.

ALL RIGHT. IT JUST.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE SCALE IN ALL OF THIS.

WELL, LET'S GET. THAT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR THE DIRECTOR.

THEN WE'LL HAVE ARE YOU CONCERNED WITH THE SCALE AT ALL THIS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

I THINK LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED ALTHOUGH RELATIVE TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, IT IS A MODEST ADDITION BY COMPARISON, I THINK THAT THE PORCH APPEARS TO LOOK LIKE IT CREATES A BIGGER AREA THAN IT ACTUALLY IS.

I THINK GIVEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ALONGSIDE THIS AND THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE STRUCTURE TO BE PLACED THERE, IT STARTS TO LOOK AS THOUGH IT IS MORE DOMINANT THAN IT IS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN ITSELF, IT'S ACTUALLY INSET FURTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, TUCKING IT BEHIND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

MORE THAN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS.

SO IT'S BEHIND SUCH THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

IT WON'T READ AS THOUGH THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THERE, AND IT IS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SIDE YARD THAN IS REQUIRED.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PORCH IS SO THE EXIT IS THE EXISTING PORCH.

WE DON'T THINK THAT'S ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.

IS THAT WHY WE'RE CHANGING IT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

SO DO WE KNOW IF ORIGINALLY THE HOUSE WOULD HAVE HAD A WIDER PORCH? I WANT TO LET THE ARCHITECT SPEAK TO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING HE DID COVER THAT ABOUT THE DESIGN CONSIDERATION TIED TO THAT AND COMPARING IT TO THE ORIGINAL OR THE PORCH THAT WE SEE HERE TODAY.

OKAY. AGAIN, WENT TO THE MUSEUM, COULDN'T FIND EVIDENCE ON THE EXISTING OR THE ORIGINAL.

AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT.

I MISSED THE LAST MEETING.

SO PROBABLY THE BUT THE PORCH THAT'S THERE.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION WE SHOULD MOVE INTO EVIDENCE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.

THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S A VERY GOOD.

I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.

JUST GIVE ME A FEW MOMENTS.

IS IT HDC OR LDC? I THINK THE ONE I WAS LOOKING AT YESTERDAY WAS HDC OKAY HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.

I THINK IT WAS I'M NOT SURE THE NUMBER OF IT, BUT IT WAS LABELED ADDITIONS.

IS THIS FOR THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GET YOU THE RIGHT SECTION.

ALL RIGHT. NEED A LITTLE LIGHT MUSIC AND THE INTERMEZZO.

DID YOU SEE HOW TAMMI JUST SLIPPED OFF THE DAIS JUST SO QUIETLY YOU DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE SHE WAS GONE? LIKE A GHOST. OKAY.

OKAY, HERE WE GO.

THIS IS PAGE 104 OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES.

AND IT IS RELATIVE TO RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT SITS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

NO, I AM LOOKING AT IT AS A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AND NOT AS A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.

OKAY, GOOD.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT IF IN FACT, IT WANTED TO BE A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.

IT IS NOT. IT IS RESIDENTIAL, INTENDED TO BE USED RESIDENTIALLY.

CURRENTLY BEING USED RESIDENTIALLY.

OKAY. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THESE THAT LED ME TO THINK WE NEEDED TO AT LEAST DISCUSS IT.

THAT NUMBER THREE TALKS ABOUT THE SCALE.

I CAN ZOOM IN ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

OH. THANK YOU. GOD, I CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT.

NUMBER TWO IS ALSO ONE THAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH.

AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE AND WHEN YOU SPOKE TO.

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AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS NUMBER SIX BUT THAT TO ME, IS ONE WHERE WE HAVE TO RESPECT THE BUILDINGS AROUND THE ADDITION.

I GO BEYOND LOOKING AT IT AS THE SINGLE LOT.

I'M LOOKING AT IT AS THE WHOLE STREET.

AND THAT ALSO LEADS ME TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

SO THESE WERE NOT THESE GUIDELINES WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE MEMO THAT WE RECEIVED, BUT TAKEN THESE WITH THE ONES THAT WERE ADDRESSED IN THE LDC.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE A SINCERE, THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THIS WAS HAVING ON THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SEEMS TO REALLY BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SO FAR UP ON THE LOT AND I KNOW WHY THEY DID IT HISTORICALLY, WHY THEY BUILT IT THAT WAY.

BUT IT NOW IT BECOMES EVEN BIGGER LOOKING BECAUSE IT STARTS ALMOST AT THE STREET.

NOT REALLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, MUCH CLOSER TO THE STREET.

SO I REALLY WORRY ABOUT WHETHER THAT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA.

GOTCHA. I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, AND I REMEMBER ASKING MR. MIRANDA AT THE FIRST MEETING, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPTION FOR IT? AND HIS ANSWER WAS NOT WITHOUT A REDESIGN, I GET THAT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP.

IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR, I'LL ASK MR. MIRANDA THE ARCHITECT WAS [INAUDIBLE].

HE DOES MOST OF IT. FROILAN TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE FRONT PORCH OF SANBORN MAPS DID.

MIRANDA ARCHITECTS 309 1/2 CENTRE STREET.

THE FRONT PORCH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A REPLICA OF WHAT SANBORN MAPS SHOWED AS THE ORIGINAL SHED ROOF FRONT PORCH ON THE FRONT.

THE CURRENT PORCH THAT'S THERE WAS A LATER ADDITION, SO WE PEELED THAT OFF AND ADDED THAT.

PROBABLY WHEN THEY RESIDED.

IF I RECALL FROM OUR LAST MEETING, THE BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE AND WORKSHOP, WHICH WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF SO WEREN'T EXCEEDING THE MAIN HOUSE SIZE.

SYLVIE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE STREET CONTEXT? SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCALE AND CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVE, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE A HARD COPY OF THIS AT YOUR DESK. YES.

IT'S THE SECOND PAGE.

THIS ONE HERE. YEAH.

THIS IS SOUTH 10TH STREET.

THIS IS THE LOEB RESIDENCE.

TWO AND A HALF STORIES.

IT SITS ON A 100 FOOT WIDE LOT.

THIS IS THE PEARSON RESIDENCE AND THE PROPOSED GARAGE ADDITION.

IT SITS ON A 65 FOOT WIDE LOT.

THIS IS THE KAUFMAN TORI RESIDENCE.

AGAIN, TWO STORY.

PLUS THEY HAVE A GARAGE.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE AN 85 AND A 50 FOOT LOT.

THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT [INAUDIBLE].

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU TELL ME IT'S OUT OF SCALE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS NOT.

NOW, I AM CONCERNED PRIMARILY WITH THE STREET FRONTAGE AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

CAN YOU PULL UP THE OTHER ONE FROM THE SIDE VIEW, THE OTHER RENDERING? THIS IS WHAT FACES THE COMMENTARY RESIDENCE.

I HAVE DASHED IN THE PROFILE OF THEIR HOUSE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC PEARSON RESIDENCE AND THE REAR ADDITION.

WE HAVE FOLLOWED ALL THE GUIDELINES.

NOW WE CAN GET SUBJECTIVE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S SUCCESSFUL OR NOT, BUT THE SCALE OF THE ADDITION WE'RE ADDING 600FT² OF CONDITION SPACE TO A WHAT IS IT, 1300 SQUARE FOOT EXISTING HOME? SO DON'T TELL ME IT'S OVERSIZE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN THE NEIGHBORS ARE WELL OVER THAT.

AND A TRULY VICTORIAN STEEP ROOF PITCH.

WE'VE BEEN SENSITIVE THE FRONT ALL THE ADDITIONS OF THE FRONT ARE INTENDED TO BE IN SCALE WITH THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.

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SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS.

AND IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN, I WANT TO HEAR CHAPTER AND VERSE AND REASON FOR EITHER APPROVAL OR DENIAL. DID YOU MAKE CHANGES TO THE ACCESSORY BUILDING? YES. WE REDUCED THE HEIGHT BY EIGHT INCHES.

OKAY, FOR THE GARAGE AND THEN WE ADDED INSTEAD OF THREE WINDOWS, THERE WAS FOUR IN THE BAY TO GIVE IT A DIFFERENT SENSE OF SCALE, TO BRING THE HEIGHT DOWN.

BECAUSE I THINK THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS ABOUT EIGHT INCHES HIGHER THAN THE PEAK OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

GOTCHA. SO YOU BROUGHT IT DOWN TO SAME SCALE? YEAH. SAME HEIGHT.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC.

SAY THE WHY IS THE STUCCO ON THE GARAGE? WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THAT VERSUS.

YEAH, WE TRY TO GO WITH SOMETHING TO BREAK UP THE VERTICAL SCALE INSTEAD OF BRINGING SIDING ALL THE WAY DOWN SO WE CAN CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATE.

HERE'S THE GARAGE PIECE, THE GARAGE WORKSHOP.

AND HERE IS THE WHAT WE CALL THE GUEST QUARTERS UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR TO HELP BREAK UP THE VERTICAL SIZE OF IT.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA. CAN WE LOOK AT THAT SIDE ONE AGAIN? THE ONE THAT YOU PROVIDED TO US HERE WITH THE DOTTED LINE OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

THAT IS VERY HELPFUL TO ME TO SEE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN JUST THE PLAN OF THE HOUSE BY ITSELF.

CORRECT. OKAY. SO.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT THE KAUFMAN'S HAVE ABOUT THE BLOCKING OF THEIR LIGHT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT I COULD RECOMMEND TO MAKE THAT ANY DIFFERENT.

WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF GOING SIDEWAYS ON THAT PROPERTY INSTEAD OF LONG WAYS? OH NO, BECAUSE WERE TRYING THE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL STUDIES THERE'S AN EXISTING CARPORT SHED THAT'S FALLING APART IN THE BACK CORNER.

THE DRIVEWAY WAS ALWAYS ON THAT SIDE.

SO INITIALLY WE THOUGHT, WELL, THAT'S THE GARAGE SIDE.

LET'S ADD ON TO THE HOUSE PHYSICALLY BEHIND IT VERSUS TO THE SIDE OF IT.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONCEPT KICKED OFF.

AND IF YOU CAN PULL UP, CAN YOU PULL UP THE SITE PLAN JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU HOW CLOSE WE ARE? I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] SQUARE FEET EXISTING HOUSE IS TWO FEET, TEN INCHES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

YIKES. HISTORIC.

I CAN'T CHANGE THAT.

RIGHT. SO WHAT WE DID ON THE I'VE SO THAT IT TUCKS IN ON BOTH ENDS OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT SO THAT BY GOING GREATER THAN THREE FEET NOW, IT CAN HAVE SOME OPENINGS ON THAT SIDE.

AND WHAT WE DID WAS JUST A HIGH WINDOW WHICH IS IN THE MASTER BEDROOM SECOND FLOOR THEIR NON VIEW WINDOWS.

YOU JUST LET SLIDE IN ON THAT SIDE.

BUT THE COMMON RESIDENCE IS FIVE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE ON THIS SIDE.

SO WE CAN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THE TWO BUILDINGS RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER.

AND IF OBVIOUSLY IN CONTEMPORARY LIVING, A GARAGE IS ESSENTIAL.

OBVIOUSLY WHEN THESE HOUSES WERE DESIGNED, CARS WERE BARELY A COMMON ITEM AND THE GARAGES WERE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER. SO WE STARTED OUT WITH THE GARAGE, AND THEN WE KNEW THAT THE REAR ADDITION MADE SENSE, BECAUSE ALL THAT REAR ADDITION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THERE NOW WAS NEVER HISTORIC.

IT HAD BEEN GLOMMED ON OVER TIME AND IT WAS IN REALLY BAD CONDITION.

SO CONCEPTUALLY, THE HOUSE ADDITION WAS TO THE BACK.

THE GARAGE WAS OVER TO THE SIDE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WAS.

OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA. JUST BUILDING ON WHAT MISS FILKOFF ASKED.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING THAT EXTENSION BEING OFFSET AGAINST THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.

THAT JUST. WELL, IT'S UP FOR BOARD DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE? I'M SORRY. HOLD ON A SECOND.

DEE AND ADAM ARE HERE, SO YOU GET TO REPRESENT YOUR OWN CASE.

BEFORE I GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

ADAM KAUFMAN, 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET.

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I APPRECIATE THAT SOMETIMES.

APPRECIATE YOUR BREVITY. WELL, PEOPLE SAY SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T READ WHAT I WRITE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH OUR STRUCTURE AND LOOKING AT THE STREETSCAPE. THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY IT'S THE ORIGINAL PORCH OF THE HOUSE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 100 YEARS.

BUT AS SOMEBODY TAUGHT ME WHEN I WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION, THAT COMPATIBLE MAY BE IN THIS ROOM, BY THE WAY.

COMPATIBLE IN ITS NOT ONLY IN SCALE TO THE ADJACENT BUILDING, BUT NO RESTORATION ADDITIONS SHOULD OVERWHELM THE SCALE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

AND THAT'S IN 801 01C.

SO LET ME BEGIN WITH THAT.

SO I INDICATED IN THE EMAIL TO YOU INCLUDED IN THE PEARSON MIRANDA RECONSTRUCTION DESIGN FOR 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET, IN ESSENCE, IS A TWO PLUS STORY WALL AT THE PROPERTY SOUTH ELEVATION.

THE PEARSON MIRANDA DESIGN AND ITS TWO STORY WALL ALTERS THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME AT ONE 112.

NOBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT, AND ALTERS THE CHARACTER WITH DISREGARD AND INDIFFERENCE TO THE HOME AT 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET.

THE RECONSTRUCTION TRANSFORMED THE VISUAL AND ESTHETIC CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ON 10TH STREET, AND IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH DEVELOPMENT.

AS I SAID, COMPATIBLE HAS TWO DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS SCALE IN RELATION TO THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS.

AND THAT NO ADDITION SHOULD OVERWHELM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.

THIS IS WE CALL IT A RECONSTRUCTION IN MY MEMORY.

THIS IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING ENTIRELY.

THE RECONSTRUCTION DESIGN WILL DENY A LIGHT AND AIR TO THE PROPERTY AT 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET.

RESTRICTS GREEN SPACE.

IT LIMITS SIGHTLINES AND VIEW CORRIDORS THAT HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A CENTURY OR MORE, AND DESTROYS THE HISTORIC CORRESPONDING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS. BOTH 1112 AND 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET WERE AT ONE TIME OWNED BY THE CLARK FAMILY.

THE CLARK FAMILY WERE ACTIVE IN THE EARLY DAYS OF FERNANDINA SHRIMPING.

BOTH PROPERTIES WERE PURPOSELY INCLUDED IN THE 50 BLOCK HISTORIC DISTRICT IN 1987.

IN FACT, THE SOUTH WALL OF THE CLARK HOME OUR HOUSE AT 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET, NOW MARKS THE BOUNDARY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE PROPERTY AT 116 SOUTH 10TH, WAS PURCHASED FROM BARBARA CLARK IN NOVEMBER 2003.

THE FAMILY OCCUPIED THE PROPERTY FOR MORE THAN 100 YEARS.

WE, IN FACT, ARE THE SECOND FAMILY TO OWN THAT HOUSE ON INFORMATION AND BELIEF 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET WAS BUILT CIRCA 1883, AND IT WAS THE HOME OF MRS. CLARK'S PARENTS UPON THEIR PASSING.

OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CLARK FAMILY MAINTAINED RESIDENCE THERE.

THE PROPERTIES WERE AND ARE INTERRELATED.

IN REVIEWING THE PARTICULARS OF THE MIRANDA RECONSTRUCTION DESIGN OF 112 SOUTH 10TH, ITS SCALE AND THE SOUTH ELEVATION WALL IS RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED THAT THE HDC CAREFULLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PROVISIONS OF LDC 80101D.

DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND STRUCTURAL CHANGES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING HISTORIC FEATURES ON 10TH STREET, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO SCALE, HEIGHT, AND WIDTH.

SETBACKS. AND SETBACKS DON'T ONLY APPLY TO THE FRONT, THEY APPLY TO THE BORDER OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE. ORIENTATION AND SITE COVERAGE.

ALIGNMENT RHYTHM AND SPACING OF BUILDINGS FORM AND DETAIL, CONSIDERING THE LINK BETWEEN OLD AND NEW

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THE PEARSON MIRANDA PROPOSAL DOES LITTLE TO PRESERVE AND RETAIN THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET, WHILE PATENTLY ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE RECENTLY HDC APPROVED AND RENOVATED 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET WERE HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES BETWEEN 2000 AND 2002.

THE PEARSON MIRANDA DESIGN MAKES NO EFFORT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPACT ON 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET, NOR DOES IT MAKE ANY EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY AND HISTORIC IDENTITY OF THE INTERRELATED PROPERTIES.

THE HDC IN APPROVING NEW CONSTRUCTION, SO SAYS THE STATUTE MUST ENSURE SUCH CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE COMPATIBLE WITH AND FIT HARMONIOUSLY WITH SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.

THAT'S STATUTORY LANGUAGE.

THE HDC HAS A COROLLARY OBLIGATION IN THE STATUTE TO PROTECT, PRESERVE AND SAFEGUARD EXISTING BUILDINGS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. THAT'S THE CHARGE TO THIS GROUP.

UPON YOUR REVIEW, IT'S REQUESTED THAT THE HDC DENY A CASE NUMBER 2023-0113 AND FURTHER FIND THAT CASE NUMBER 2023-0113 AS PRESENTED, IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO WARRANT APPROVAL.

I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. KAUFMAN.

OKAY. SCALE FOR WHAT? DESIGN. WHAT'S YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN? PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT THE RECONSTRUCTION ESSENTIALLY CHANGES THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES AND CREATES WHAT IS A TWO STORY PLUS WALL.

SO IT CUTS ALL THE LIGHT AND ALL THE VISUAL CORRIDORS FROM THAT HOUSE.

HISTORICALLY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 125 YEARS, SO THAT VIRTUALLY YOU CANNOT SEE ANYTHING FROM THE DOWNSTAIRS OTHER THAN THE WALL. AND WHEN AND IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF, WHICH IS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, ON THE SECOND STORY OF OUR HOUSE, WE WILL SEE A WALL AND SOLAR PANELS.

THAT'S NOT THE INTERRELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT THE CLARK'S HAD IN MIND OR ITS HISTORIC JUXTAPOSITION.

SO THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. KAUFMAN. THANK YOU.

I'LL GO. OH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL? PLEASE COME UP. IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

FOR THE RECORD.

DEE TORI KAUFMAN, 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET.

SO WE'RE BACK.

DIDN'T FEEL REALLY HEARD THE LAST TIME, GUYS.

I'M SORRY. OH, WE HEARD YOU WE LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY TO YOU.

DIDN'T LIKE WHAT VERY CAREFULLY TO ALL WITNESSES AT OUR HEARINGS.

THE PROBLEM IS THE SETBACK RIGHT NOW, WHERE THE ADDITION SITS, WE HAVE A POCKET GARDEN.

THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK OUT ON.

THAT'S WHAT PROVIDES LIGHTS BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES.

AND THIS IS ELIMINATED THAT WHOLE THING.

SO WE HAVE AS ADAM SAID, A WALL RIGHT UP IN OUR FACE.

WE HAVE SIX HISTORIC ROOMS IN OUR HOUSE.

WHEN THE GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE WAS BUILT, WHICH IS DEAN'S HOUSE.

YES, IT WAS CLOSE.

AND IT AFFECTED ONE OUT OF OUR LIVING ROOM ON THE NORTH SIDE.

YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND OUT OF OUR GUEST BATH BEDROOM, YOU CAN SEE THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEY HAVE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, SO THERE IS LIGHT.

NOW WE HAVE LIGHT IN THE DINING ROOM, THE FAMILY ROOM AND THE LAUNDRY ROOM DOWNSTAIRS.

AND I DON'T CONSIDER THAT PART OF THE SIX, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THE ORIGINAL KITCHEN.

AND WE HAVE LIGHT IN THE OFFICE UPSTAIRS AND THE MASTER BEDROOM ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IT'S NOT AMELIA PARK.

WHEN THEY DESIGNED THE HOUSE, THEY DIDN'T JUST PUT THE WINDOWS WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO BE TIGHTLY CLOSED INTO A LITTLE TINY SPACE.

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AND A LITTLE GARDEN AND THE AIR.

NOT THAT THERE'S ENOUGH AIR.

EVEN THE WAY IT IS, BECAUSE WE GET MOLD ON THE AIR CONDITIONERS ALL THE TIME.

AND I HAVE TO GO SCRAPE IT OFF.

BUT THIS IS JUST GOING TO MAKE ONE MOLDY LITTLE MASS BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES.

THE HOUSES HAVE LIVED TOGETHER FOR FOUR GENERATIONS.

WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT WAS A DISASTER.

OUR HOUSE WAS A DISASTER.

IT WAS RAINING IN THE FRONT PORCH, RAINING IN THE FRONT HALLWAY FROM THE PLUMBING UPSTAIRS.

IT WAS ALL GREEN AND HARVEST GOLD CARPETING ALL OVER THE PLACE, OVER THE HARDWOOD FLOORS.

ALL KINDS OF REPAIRS HAD TO BE DONE.

BUT WE DID THAT, AND WE RESPECTED THE INTERIOR AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR OF THIS HOUSE, AND IT HAS SINCE BEEN ON MANY TOURS.

WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HISTORY HAS BEEN PRESERVED AND SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE BEEN ON MUSEUM TOURS, AMERICAN BEACH, VICTORIAN [INAUDIBLE], ON AND ON.

AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, WE'LL BE ON THE COTTAGE AND COURTYARDS ON APRIL 13TH.

PEOPLE HAVE ENJOYED THE SETBACK.

THEY'VE ENJOYED THE LIGHT IN THOSE ROOMS AND WE'RE TAKING THAT AWAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET TO ALL THIS BECAUSE I'LL START CRYING.

BUT THE CLARK'S HAVE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH US SINCE THEY LEFT THE HOUSE.

BARBARA CLARK'S DAUGHTER, PATTY, WHO WENT TO SCHOOL WITH BUDDY JACOBS.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT HER AGE RANGE IS? SHE OWNED THE HOUSE WITH HER MOM RIGHT UP UNTIL WE BOUGHT IT 20 YEARS AGO.

HER BROTHER LIVED NEXT DOOR.

SO THE TWO FAMILIES RAISED THEIR KIDS TOGETHER.

SINCE WE'VE HAD OPEN HOUSES AND EVENTS.

WE'VE HAD NINE GROUPS OF CLARK'S COME THROUGH FROM BOTH HOUSES AND TELL US ALL THE STORIES ABOUT THE LAND WHAT THEY DID TOGETHER.

WE STILL FIND RELICS OF THE INTERRELATEDNESS OF THE HOUSE.

THERE'S A BIRDBATH IN OUR BACKYARD THAT USED TO BE DIVIDED ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE THAT THE KIDS BUILT OF CEMENT AND ROCKS FROM THE YARD.

AND AS LATE AS LAST RENOVATION TWO YEARS AGO, WE FOUND THAT WE'D BEEN WATERING THE FRONT YARD OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR FOR 17 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN THERE.

SO THEY'RE INTERRELATED, ENMESHED, MAYBE.

I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PLANNING RULES.

YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH HOW TO PRESERVE AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT ON EACH SPECIAL HOME.

AND I LEAVE YOU WITH THAT BIG CHALLENGE.

I'D HATE TO SEE THIS HOME GUY.

QUESTIONS FOR MS. KAUFMAN. THANK YOU.

IS THERE? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

NOW, THEN IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE HDC 2023-0113 MIRANDA FOR PEARSON 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET.

SEEING NO ONE.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.

BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT DO WE THINK? IT'S A SENSITIVE CASE.

I WOULD START YEAH. BREAKING DOWN TIM'S I'M SORRY.

I WOULD BREAK DOWN THE KIND OF THE PROBLEM.

RIGHT. THE WAY I SEE IT, THE WAY I SEE IT, IT'S ONE ELEMENT IS THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE ADDITION.

RIGHT? WITHIN THAT ELEMENT IS THE SOUTH WALL.

HOW IT'S HOW IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY EXECUTED.

AND THEN THE SECOND ELEMENT OR THE THIRD ELEMENT WOULD BE THE GARAGE.

IT SEEMS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THAT THE GARAGE IS NOT PART.

IT'S NOT PART OF THE SCALE OR MASSIVE PROBLEM THAT THE NEIGHBORS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE EXTENSION AND SPECIFICALLY HOW THE SOUTH FAÇADE INTERACTS WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE THREE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT? SO, I MEAN, I JUST SAY THAT JUST TO KIND OF IN MY HEAD, BREAK DOWN WHAT, WE'RE EVALUATING.

SO IN MY HEAD, I'M TAKING THE GARAGE OUT OF THE EQUATION.

I'M FOCUSING MY ANALYSIS ON THE HOUSE ADDITION AND HOW THAT WALL.

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BUT I HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THE SOUTH WALL, WHETHER THERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE ARCHITECTURALLY ANYWAY.

TIM. YEAH.

WHEN I LISTEN TO WHAT ALL THE PARTIES ARE SAYING, I THINK YOU KIND OF BOILED IT DOWN TO THE SOUTH WALL.

THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CRUX OF THE MATTER HERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, I THINK IS THERE MEANS OF ARTICULATION THAT CAN HELP BREAK DOWN THE SCALE ARTICULATION IN THE FORM OF LIKE POTENTIALLY ADDING WINDOWS.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO THE ADDITION OF WINDOWS ALONG THAT SIDE.

BUT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL THERE THAT SOME SOMETHING COULD BE DONE.

THE POSSIBILITY OF MANIPULATING THE ROOF FORM SOMEHOW TO TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON IT.

BUT I CAN SEE WHEN I LOOK AT THE OPPOSITE SIDE THAT THAT ROOF ALONG THE ONE STORY PART IS DONE THE WAY IT IS TO TRY AND BRING LIGHT DOWN INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE THROUGH THOSE CLEAR STORY WINDOWS.

SO THERE'S THERE'S A FUNCTION TO THAT ROOF BEING DESIGNED THE WAY IT IS.

WHICH MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BRINGING IT DOWN INTO THE KITCHEN, LIGHT INTO THE KITCHEN.

I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY CAUSE FOR MANIPULATING A ROOF FORM LIKE THAT TO ACHIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I'M STRUGGLING WITH WHAT CAN BE BROUGHT TO THAT SOUTH WALL TO MITIGATE HEIGHT OR BREAK DOWN SCALE.

BRING SOMETHING INTO THE EQUATION TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS TO HONOR THAT TRADITIONAL RELATIONSHIP THERE.

IT'S REALLY A DIFFICULT SITUATION.

IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO EASY ANSWER.

YOU KNOW THAT? THE PORCH ON THE REAR POTENTIALLY HAS A LIGHT AND AIRY FEEL TO IT.

IT'S CERTAINLY OPEN ON TO THE SIDES WITH A LOUVERED SCREEN ELEMENT IN THERE SO IT IT WON'T READ AS SOLID AS THE REST OF THE ADDITION THERE. I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THE ADDITION IN THE REAR HAS BEEN ARTICULATED TO BE NOT AS WIDE AS THE MAIN HOUSE.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY HIDDEN FROM THE FRONT VIEW FOR THE MOST PART THERE.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WE JUST RETURNED BACK TO REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHWEST.

I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT OTHER BOARD MEMBERS YOU KNOW.

I MEAN, IT'S A SOUTH WALL.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THE SCALING ON THE FRONT AND STUFF.

I MEAN, JOSE DID A NICE JOB ARTICULATING AND DEMONSTRATING THE ACTUAL SCALE, WHICH THEIR HOUSE IS MUCH BIGGER ACTUALLY, THAN THE ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO AS YOU LOOK AT IT TO THE FRONT, IT'S IT ABSOLUTELY FITS.

THE SCALE IS ACTUALLY, I THINK, REALLY NICE HOW IT'S SCALED AS YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE GARAGE.

I DO AND I AM SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PRETTY BIG WALL ON THE SOUTH THAT IS NOW EIGHT FEET AWAY, AND WHATEVER SUNLIGHT AND GRASS AND VIEWS THAT THEY HAD ARE NOW TOTALLY GONE.

EVEN THE SCREENED PORCH HAVING THE SHUTTERS ON THE SIDE STILL, TO ME REPRESENTS A SOLID WALL.

I MEAN RIGHT.

AND IT'S MEANT TO BE THAT FOR SCREENING.

I MEAN, SO IT'S A THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, ADAM HAD MENTIONED ABOUT THE SCALE AND WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT, IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING ITSELF, BUT ALSO HOW IT AFFECTS THE SURROUNDING AREAS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I MEAN THIS CLEARLY IS DEMONSTRATING IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS.

WELL, LIKE THE DRAWING THAT'S THERE NOW IS DOES BRING HOME TO ME AND SOME OTHER IDEAS.

[01:00:03]

THE SHADOW IS GOING TO BE ON THAT SOUTH WALL FROM THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH.

THE LIGHT THAT THE HOUSE TO THE SOUTH GETS IS ALL AMBIENT NORTH LIGHT COMES THROUGH THE NOT DIRECT LIGHT, SO THE SPEAKERS]. WILL CAST A SHADOW ON BECAUSE IT'S TALL, RIGHT? YEAH. SO ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO BEFORE ARLENE SORRY, I, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE WHAT IS IT, THE NORTH AND THE EAST ELEVATION.

I THINK THEY ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT PRECISELY WHAT WE'RE THINKING THAT THE SOUTH ELEVATION.

IN FACT, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT REMINDED ME OF TOMMY'S HOUSE, THE TOMMY'S, YOU KNOW, THE BACK ADDITION, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE ROOF LINES.

REMINDED HER TOO OF IT. YEAH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

SO I THINK WE CAN SEE AN EXAMPLE OF AN ARTICULATION ON THE EAST AND THE NORTH SIDE THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD MAYBE MITIGATE OUR CONCERNS OF THE SOUTH WALL.

SO MAYBE BRINGING SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS, MAYBE BREAKING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE EAST AND THE NORTH, THAT WOULD BE ONE.

THAT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL RECONCILIATION, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET JOSE IN THE ROOM AND SEE IF HE AGREES TO THAT. ARLENE, DID YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS? I THINK WE HEARD YOU EARLIER, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT? WELL, AFTER LISTENING TO ALL OF IT, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE ONLY HAVE GUIDELINES AND SO MUCH ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION, THE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS IS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

YOU KNOW, IF I'M THE NEIGHBOR, I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION.

[LAUGHTER] YES.

BUT I KNOW MR. MIRANDA REALLY, REALLY WELL.

AND I ALSO KNOW THE KAUFMAN'S REALLY, REALLY WELL.

AND I LOVE ALL OF THEM.

AND I LOVE ALL OF YOU.

SO LET'S GET TOGETHER AND DO KUMBAYA.

I THINK THAT THIS YOU FOLKS ARE FAR MORE SKILLED AT KNOWING SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO CHANGE THAT WALL LOOKING THING.

SO IF YOU HAVE THOSE IDEAS, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT THEY ARE.

AND PERHAPS MR. MIRANDA COULD RESPOND, I WOULDN'T.

YOU WOULDN'T? NO, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT WE DON'T DESIGN BUILDINGS FOR.

SO WHAT WE COULD SAY, THOUGH, IS WE'VE HEARD THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF ARTICULATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

AND WOULD THE ARCHITECT AND HIS CLIENT BE AMENABLE TO A CONTINUATION THAT PROVIDED FOR SOME ADDITIONAL ARTICULATION ON THAT SOUTH WALL? COULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE? AND IF YOU YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT PRESSURE.

THAT'S A QUESTION. I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION.

CAN I ALSO COMMENT ON JUST THE OVERALL DESIGN ESTHETIC OF THAT SOUTH WALL? CAN YOU PULL UP THE EXISTING SOUTH WALL? I THINK WHAT WE HAD ONE WHERE IT WAS AN EXISTING AND THEN THE NEW ONE BELOW IT.

YEAH, I JUST SAW WHAT YOU SAW.

YEAH. AND IS THIS IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS? YES. THE APPLICATION MATERIALS HAD ESSENTIALLY THE SOUTH SIDE OF BEFORE AND AFTER.

THERE YOU GO.

YEAH. BLOW THAT UP.

YEAH. BLOW THAT UP. YEAH.

YOU HAD THAT WAS IT. THAT'S IT.

OKAY. JUST STAY THERE.

OOPSIE. ALL RIGHT.

I TELL YOU WHAT, RIGHT.

IT JUST TAKES A MINUTE TO SWITCH OVER TO FULL THERE'S YOUR EXISTING.

THAT WALL.

SO IS THE PROBLEM HERE THAT FLAT WALL IS BEING CARRIED ON.

THIS IS THE ONLY TWO STORY PIECE OF THIS ADDITION.

IT IS 14FT OF ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

RIGHT. THE REST OF THIS IS A ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.

GOTCHA. IF I'M LISTENING TO ADAM AND DEE CORRECTLY, IT SEEMS THAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY ADDITIONS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THAT'S GREATER THAN THE STORY BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THEIR VIEW LET ME FINISH. AND THEN YOU GET THE CHANCE.

THIS REMINDS ME A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT BUY A PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BEACH, AND THEN WHEN THE HOUSE GETS BUILT IN FRONT OF THEM, COMPLAIN THAT THEIR VIEW IS GONE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LIGHTING ISSUE.

I CAN'T CHANGE WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS OR WHERE OUR HOUSE IS.

[01:05:04]

AND SO.

YEAH, MY I WORK FOR MY CLIENT.

I DON'T WORK FOR.

RIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND FOR DEE AND ADAM I DID WORK FOR THEM ON THEIR ADDITION QUITE WELL.

SO IF IT'S ABOUT THE TWO STORY PIECE THEN LET'S ADDRESS THE TWO STORY PIECE.

IF IT'S ABOUT THE ENTIRE SOUTH WALL AND YOU'RE TELLING ME I NEED OPENINGS WHERE I DON'T REALLY NEED THEM INSIDE, YOU WANT ME TO FAKE THEM IN THAT DOESN'T IMPACT OR REDUCE THE CONCERN WITH, OH, MY VIEW TO THE NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD IS GONE.

IF YOU WANTED THAT VIEW, YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE ENTIRE FAMILY HOMESTEAD TOGETHER.

SO I JUST I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.

I'VE GOT GUIDELINES THAT I DESIGNED TO THAT YOU GUYS PROMULGATE.

WE DO IT ALL THE TIME, BUT I RARELY GET PUSHBACK FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT THEIR VISUAL IMPACT TO THE BACK OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A COMPROMISE, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME GUIDANCE.

I HEAR WHAT I THINK, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT YOU'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE YOU ARE, AND YOU'D LIKE TO GO FORWARD AS IT IS AS OPPOSED TO BEING CONTINUED IN SEEKING ADDITIONAL. YES. I MEAN, THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT THE OWNER WANTS.

MS. KAUFMAN DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD? COULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE? YES. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS WALL.

PLEASE COME UP. THANK YOU.

WE'RE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT WELL, IT'S THE SETBACK WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT.

YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? IT'S THE SETBACK, THE ADDITION, THIS ADDITION.

HOW MANY FEET? 3.5FT BACK.

THAT WHOLE THING HAS BEEN PULLED FORWARD.

TAKES OUT THE POCKET GARDEN AND TAKES OUT EVERYTHING.

YES. SO ONE QUESTION.

SO HOW FAR BACK? I'M SORRY.

IT'S OKAY. HOW FAR BACK IS THE EXISTING? THE EXISTING.

THEY'RE ROUGHLY FLUSH.

OH NO NO NO IT PUSHES BACK BECAUSE IT'S A ONE STORY THAT SHIFTED OVER TOWARDS THE NORTH.

IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY FURTHER BACK THAN THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

THE PROBLEM IS WE GOT ANOTHER PROBLEM.

IT'S ZONED C3 0 SETBACKS 45 FOOT HIGH LIMIT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO YES WE CAN TALK ABOUT CONTEXT ALL WE WANT.

BUT IF THEY CAN'T GET THE HOUSE YOU KNOW WE'RE STARTING WITH A VERY SMALL HOUSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADD ON TO.

THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH.

SO PLAYING.

RIGHT. THAT'S MR. KAUFMAN. FINAL COMMENT FOR US, PLEASE.

YES IT IS SEE THROUGH.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS, AND DEE REACHED OUT TO JOSE AFTER THE LAST MEETING AND ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE NEVER GOT ANY RESPONSE BACK.

SO IT'S NOT ONLY SETBACK IS PART OF IT, BUT BOYS AND GIRLS SO IT'S NOT THIS IS ONE STORY.

THIS IS TWO STORIES WHICH DOESN'T EXIST NOW AND THEN.

YOU HAVE A ROOF LINE THAT GOES THAT FAR.

RIGHT? AND AS I SAID, IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE EVENT.

BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE PLAN SUGGESTS SOLAR PANELS.

YEAH, THAT WAS FUTURE.

OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE, BUT WE NEED TO GET BACK TO OUR AGENDA.

GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE WAITING TO HAVE THEIR CASES HEARD.

I THINK WE'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES VERY CLEARLY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD BEFORE I SPEAK? GO GET IT.

WELL, RECENTLY HAD ANN PITTMAN DROP A GUEST HOUSE IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD IT'S THREE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND ANN DIDN'T COME TALK TO ME ABOUT IT FIRST BECAUSE SHE'S NOT WORKING FOR ME.

SHE'S WORKING FOR MY LOVELY NEW NEIGHBORS WHO ARE.

THEY REALLY ARE LOVELY. SO I GUESS AS MUCH AS I DISLIKE LOOKING AT THIS GUEST HOUSE, THAT'S NOT UP TO ME.

IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. THEY GET TO ENJOY IT, AND I AM RELUCTANT TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE THEY CAN'T ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY IN A C3 ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO LET'S GET BACK TO THIS QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS DESTROYS THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBOR.

I DON'T THINK SO.

IT'S SO FAR BACK OFF THE STREET AND THE EXISTING.

WE'RE BLOCKING THE LIGHT OF A HOME THAT'S MUCH BIGGER THAN THE OH, OKAY, SO WE DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A HOUSE AS BIG AS OUR HOUSE.

YEAH. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD APPROVE AS IS.

[01:10:04]

SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD YOUR.

WELL, LET ME SUMMARIZE RECONCILIATION.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO FLY.

I AGREE THAT, YEAH.

I MEAN, I AGREE THAT THE HOUSE MEETS ALL THE LDC GUIDELINES AND EVERYTHING, SO I'M TAKING SCALE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A SCALE PROBLEM.

I THINK IT'S A MASSING PROBLEM.

I TAKE THAT OUT OF THE [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD HAVE THE SAME COMMENTS TO THE SOUTH FAÇADE, WHETHER THAT HOUSE WAS THERE OR SOME OR ANYWHERE ELSE.

SO THAT'S I MEAN, FOR ME, IT'S ALL BOILING DOWN TO THAT BECAUSE I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY THE EXPANSION IS THE WAY IT IS.

AND I MEAN, I TOOK THAT OUT OF MY EVALUATION.

SO THE ONLY COMMENTS I WOULD HAVE AT THIS TIME WOULD BE ANY, YOU KNOW, THE REARTICULATION OF THE SOUTH FAÇADE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE ON THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE CONCEPTUAL CONVERSATION THAT WHERE THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED AT THAT TIME.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION, IS SOMEBODY INTERESTED MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE, DENY OR CONTINUE? ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WHERE ARE WE.

WE'RE WAITING ON SOMEBODY TO MAKE A MOTION.

YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WISH.

IT'S ONE OF THE RARE CASES IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WHERE WE HAVEN'T HAD CONSENSUS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

SO I GUESS WE'LL SEE.

WE DON'T KNOW. WE'LL SEE WHAT THE VOTE IS.

THERE YOU GO. YOU MIGHT. WE MIGHT HAVE CONSENSUS.

GO AHEAD TIM. WELL, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE.

YEAH. HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-000113 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS AS PART OF THE LAW AT THE HDC CASE 2023-0113 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

AT THIS TIME, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND. THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. MISS SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER POYNTER.

YES. MEMBER POZZETTA.

YES. MEMBER FILKOFF.

YES. VICE CHAIR ESCULSA.

YES. CHAIR SPINO.

YES. MOVING ON.

BECAUSE IT'S ALL JOSE, ALL THE TIME NOW.

WE'RE AT 0089 MIRANDA FOR 101 CENTRE STREET.

[4.3 HDC 2023-0089 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR 101 CENTRE STREET LLC, 101 CENTRE STREET]

AND AS I RECALL, DIRECTOR, THIS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.

YES. AND I THINK YOU'VE REALLY SUMMARIZED IT VERY WELL.

I RELY ON WHAT YOU'VE INDICATED THERE, AS WELL AS WHAT'S PROVIDED WITHIN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF.

SO THERE IS SOME CHANGES TO WHAT THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL THAT HAD BEEN GRANTED, AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD ON THE PROGRESS OF THAT PROJECT, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CHANGES TO THE STOREFRONT ITSELF.

AND JUST INFORM OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TEAM.

AND I KNOW THAT MR. MIRANDA WILL BE ABLE TO REALLY PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT THE BOARD IS MOST INTERESTED IN HEARING ABOUT.

I DO HAVE ELEVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, UPDATED ELEVATIONS FOR YOUR REVIEW.

I KNOW THAT THE MATERIALS AND COLOR SELECTION HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.

AND STAFF DOES ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

THANK YOU, MR. MIRANDA.

YES. SORRY.

HOPEFULLY LESS CONTROVERSIAL THAN THE LAST.

I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN.

I THOUGHT THE B COMPANY MIGHT PUT UP A.

[LAUGHTER] WHATEVER THAT FRONT IS.

YES, I DO OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. BACK ON TASK.

YES.

JOSE MIRANDA, MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, 309 1/2 CENTRE STREET.

GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE MARINA RESTAURANT PROJECT? IT WILL NOT BE A RESTAURANT.

OBVIOUSLY. WE ARE PUNTING ON THE ADDITION.

ONCE WE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE STARTED GETTING INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND GOT SOME COST ISSUES BACK.

AND THE DIFFICULTIES WITH GETTING SOME OF THE UTILITIES WORKED OUT, PLUS SOME STAFFING CONCERNS.

[01:15:03]

SO OUR FALLBACK NOW IS TO ESSENTIALLY DO THE PHASE ONE RESTORATION.

THE STUCCO HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE OUTSIDE SKIN.

THEY ARE NOW APPLYING THE LIME WASH BASED STUCCO ON TOP OF THE OLD BRICK BECAUSE AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, THE BRICK WAS NOT ABLE TO BE SALVAGED. WE ARE PUTTING NEW WINDOWS IN THROUGHOUT THE EXISTING OPENINGS.

THERE WILL BE A MARVIN CUSTOM [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHT LIKE THE I THINK THE INFORMATION IS IN THE BROCHURE.

THE ONLY THING WE'RE NOT DOING IS THE FRONT DOOR.

WE'RE LEAVING THE OPENING THAT WE'VE CREATED, BUT DOING A TEMPORARY PANEL AND DOOR BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO COMMIT ANY FUTURE TENANT TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THE OPENING.

IF YOU RECALL, THIS THING HAS BEEN BUTCHERED UP RIGHT? QUITE A NUMBER OF TIMES.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE RESTORING THE STOREFRONT HERE, RESTORING THE STOREFRONT THERE.

AS WE TURN, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S THE BEFORE.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP AFTER.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TWO TEMPORARY, ESSENTIALLY FOUR PANEL DOORS AND A PANEL LOOK AROUND THE CORNER.

ALL THAT'S DONE IN AZEK TRIM PAINTED TO LOOK LIKE IT WAS WOOD.

AND THEN WE WAIT FOR WHOEVER THE NEXT BUYER IS TO TACKLE THE STOREFRONT.

YOU CAN GO TO THE OTHER SIDE. THE NEXT VALIDATION.

THIS IS WHAT FACES THE WATER.

YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST FLOOR WAS ALL BUTCHERED UP.

WE'RE COMING BACK WITH THE STOREFRONTS HERE.

NEW WINDOWS WHERE THERE USED TO BE WINDOWS.

WE REDESIGNED THIS WINDOW OPENING BECAUSE WHAT WE REALIZED IS SOME OF THE BRICK IN THIS AREA, WHICH HAD A WAS A LATER INFILL WAS SO STIFF, AND WE WERE AFRAID THAT WHOLE WALL WOULD COME OUT IF WE TOOK THAT CHUNK OUT.

IF YOU RECALL, I THINK THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAD THIS AS A BIG ARCHED VERTICAL OPENING.

WE DIDN'T, WE HAD TO BREAK IT UP INTO TWO PIECES, BUT THAT WILL BE THE WATER FACING SIDE IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

OKAY. IGNORE THIS ONE FOR NOW BECAUSE THERE'S AN UPDATE TO THIS.

OKAY. SKIP TO THE NEXT PAGE.

OKAY. NO WALL. I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER WALL ONLY HAD FOUR WINDOWS.

OKAY. UPDATE AS OF LAST WEEK, THE NORTH WALL, AS I DESCRIBED IT AS DRY GRANOLA IS WHAT THAT WALL WAS COMPOSED OF. WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO PUT IN THE STEEL FRAMES TO REINFORCE WHERE THE NEW OPENINGS WERE GOING TO GO FOR THE ADDITION, AND THAT WALL STARTED TO BUCKLE AND BOW.

AND IT'S TIED TO SOME OF THE FLOOR SYSTEM AND SOME OF THE GABLE END.

SO WORKMEN CALLED, PULLED THE CREWS OFF STRUCTURE ENGINEER AND I WENT OUT THERE TO LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE THAT NORTH WALL AND RECONSTRUCT IT.

IT WILL NOT BE A TABBY WALL.

SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A NEW FOOTING, CONCRETE BLOCK WALL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BOTTOM OF THE GABLE AND WOOD FRAME THE GABLE.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE WHOLE THING IN THAT SAME LIME WASH STUCCO.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE REST OF THE BUILDING.

WE'RE REDESIGNING THIS NOW BECAUSE THIS WALL IS GOING TO BE REMOVED.

WE'RE GOING TO REDESIGN IT SO THAT WE KEEP THESE THREE OPENINGS AND THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE FOR WHOEVER THE NEXT TENANT IS GOING TO BE, TO MAKE A CONNECTION IF THEY DECIDE TO DO AN ADDITION.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED AS OF LAST WEEK.

SO WE'RE HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

WE'RE THINKING WE GOT AT LEAST ANOTHER FOUR MONTHS OF WORK.

WE GOT WE JUST ORDERED THE WINDOWS TODAY AND THEY'RE TWO MONTHS OUT OKAY.

JUST TWO MONTHS, ALLEGEDLY.

THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. PROMISE TWO, AND WHO KNOWS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HOPING THAT IN FOUR MONTHS WE'LL BE WRAPPED UP.

BUT IT COULD BE A LITTLE LONGER SO THAT NORTH WALL IS GOING BACK IN IN BLOCK AS WE SPEAK.

WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DEMOLISHED.

RIGHT. AS OF TODAY, AS THEY WERE COMING DOWN THE FLOOR, THE LITTLE PIECE OF FLOOR THAT'S BEARING ON IT WAS WANTING TO FALL WITH IT.

SO THEY'RE HAVING TO SHORE THAT UP OKAY.

SEND TEMPORARY SUPPORT BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME SUPPORT BEAMS THAT WERE EMBEDDED IN THAT WALL.

BUT THEY HAD STARTED TO DETERIORATE.

SO THEY PUT SOME TEMPORARY WALLS IN TO SUPPORT IT WHILE THE WALL CAME OUT.

WELL, THE WOOD, IT'S NOW WANTING TO HANG ON TO ITS LAST VESTIGE OF THE TABBY AS IT'S PULLING OFF.

AND SO IT'S TAKING A LITTLE MORE DELICATE WORK TO REMOVE IT.

WE JUST WANT YOUR ASSURANCES THAT THAT'S GOING TO NOT COMING DOWN.

OH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE OWNER IS ALREADY KNEE DEEP INTO THIS, AND HE'S THE LAST, BEST HOPE FOR SAVING THIS BUILDING BECAUSE I GUARANTEE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS WOULD HAVE SAID DEMOLISH IT.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO AT LEAST SECURE THE PERIMETER.

THE ROOF IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.

GET THE NEW WINDOWS ON, GET THE NEW FINISH OF STUCCO, AND THEN PROBABLY MARKET IT AS A POTENTIAL.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE CALLS LIKE UNSOLICITED, LIKE, HANG ON A SECOND, WE'RE NOT DONE.

[01:20:03]

THE NORTH WALL IS FAILING, SO WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO.

YEAH. QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA. YES SIR, WHAT'S OUR ACTION? OH THE AMENDMENT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA. HEARING NONE.

IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0089 101 CENTRE STREET.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BOARD MEMBERS. I'M HEARING A LOT OF, THEY'RE TAKING GREAT CARE, AND I SURE APPRECIATE THAT.

I'VE BEEN ON SITE QUITE A BIT, MUCH TO THEIR DISMAY, DON'T HAVE A HEART ATTACK.

AND I'M FEELING PRETTY COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'RE TAKING EVERY STEP THEY CAN TO ASSURE THAT THE BUILDING WILL BE AROUND, SURVIVE 100 YEARS FROM NOW.

BOARD MEMBERS, YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, CONCERNS? QUESTIONS? NO.

I THINK THIS PROBABLY OUR BEST CHANCE AT KEEPING BEING ABLE TO KEEP THE MAJORITY OF THIS BUILDING.

THE ORIGINAL CUSTOMS HOUSE.

YEAH, YEAH. AGREE.

CAN WE GET A MOTION? YEAH, THE EASY ONE.

YEAH, I'LL DO IT.

THANK YOU JIM. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0089 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

AND I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2023-0089 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL THE QUESTION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

-0091, THE STARK BUILDING, 202 CENTRE STREET.

[4.4 HDC 2023-0091 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR STARK BUILDING LLC, 202 CENTRE STREET]

AND TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON SOME EMERGENCY ACTIONS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD IN ORDER FOR THEM TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.

AND THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DETAILS PROVIDED ABOUT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AS WELL AS ENGINEERING REPORTS AND SOME MODIFICATIONS, I THINK DRAFT MODIFICATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION TO THE STOREFRONT COMPONENT.

AND I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE ARCHITECT TO EXPLAIN FURTHER.

IT'S THE JOSE MIRANDA SHOW.

WELL, I JUST MOVED TO PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

FOR THE RECORD, JOSE MIRANDA, MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, 309 1/2 CENTRE STREET.

WE APPARENTLY LIKE TO PULL ON THREADS AND WATCH THE RUG UNRAVEL ON THESE BUILDINGS.

I PARTICULARLY LIKE THIS DRAWING.

YEAH. OKAY, SO WE STARTED OUT ON THIS SIDE TO ESSENTIALLY REPAIR THE PARAPET.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING WAS BRICK.

IT GOT STUCK OUT OVER IT GOT PAINTED OVER THE STUCCO.

THERE'S NO CAP FLASHING.

THE WALL WAS ROTTING FROM THE INSIDE.

OKAY. SO WE DID THAT.

ALL OF THIS CAME ALL THE WAY DOWN.

THEY'VE GOT CONCRETE BLOCK COMING IN HERE.

ALL THE TRIM WORK IS GOING TO BE REPLICATED.

IT'LL COME BACK IN STUCCO, BUT BEHIND IT WILL BE EITHER A COMBINATION OF CONCRETE BLOCK OR WOOD FRAMING.

A LOT OF THE BRICK DETAILING IS BEING REPLICATED IN FOAM WITH STUCCO.

AND I LOOKED AT A SAMPLE AND I WAS LIKE, I'M OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST DO IT SO QUICKLY AND MATCHING THE DETAILING.

SO AS WE TURN THE CORNER, THE WORST PART WAS THIS CORNER OVER HERE, YOU SEE THE CRACKS THAT WERE COMING THROUGH THIS CORNER.

YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS LITTLE STEEL LITTLE PATCH PLATE THAT WAS IN THERE TO PREVENT THAT CORNER FROM FALLING INTO THE STREET AND THE CORNER, AND THEY DISCOVER THAT THERE'S AN ORIGINAL CAST IRON AND BEAM THAT GOES FROM HERE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT.

IT IS SUPPORTED BY CAST IRON COLUMNS, TWO OF WHICH ONLY ONE OF THEM YOU COULD SEE ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

THIS ONE AT WADSWORTH, YOU CAN SEE THAT STEEL BEAM IS ROTTED OUT, AND IT HAD BEEN COVERED UP IN STUCCO.

SO WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL WE STARTED BRINGING THE BREAKDOWN.

AND WE REALIZED FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT YOU SEE THAT IT'S A THREE BRICK WIDTH WALL.

TWO OF THOSE BRICKS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SITTING ON TWO I-BEAMS, BUT THE FLANGES, WHICH USED TO BE THREE INCHES EACH, HAVE DETERIORATED AND FLAKED OFF

[01:25:10]

THIS IS WHAT WHEN THIS WAS DISCOVERED, THIS WAS LED US TO CLOSE THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE WERE AFRAID, AS THEY'RE FIXING THIS THING, THAT THE REST OF THE FAÇADE WOULD COME DOWN.

AND THEN THE THIRD BREAK, THE ONE ON THE INSIDE WASN'T SUPPORTED AT ALL.

IT WAS SITTING, HANGING IN SPACE BY SHEER WILL.

SO WHAT IS THE REPAIR ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE FOUND THE BASE OF THOSE CAST IRON COLUMNS ARE SHOT.

WE CAN'T GO IN WITH A STEEL BEAM TO SIT ON TOP OF CAST IRON, BECAUSE WE CAN'T WELD THOSE TWO MATERIALS TOGETHER.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? GO BACK TO THERE WE'RE HAVING TO REMOVE THE BRICK, AND MOST OF IT'S ALREADY DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE EXISTING STEEL BEAM, REMOVE THE STEEL BEAM FORM, AND POUR A NEW STEEL AND CONCRETE BEAM THAT IS THEN SUPPORTED BY EXISTING BRICK AT THIS END.

THIS MIDDLE PORTION IN HERE, PLUS PIPE COLUMNS IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE OLD CAST IRON, THE ONE VISIBLE CAST IRON WE'RE GOING TO REPLICATE IN A FIBERGLASS MATERIAL.

TO REPLICATE THE OLD CAST IRON, PAINT IT AND WRAP IT AROUND THE STEEL POST.

IT SEEMED TO BE THE BEST, MOST EFFICIENT SOLUTION.

WELL, AS PART OF THIS WORK, WE'RE HAVING TO RECONSTRUCT BOTH STOREFRONTS FOR WADSWORTH AND THE CHRISTMAS TREE SHOP.

SO WE'RE JUST NOW DOCUMENTING WHAT'S THERE.

NONE OF THOSE.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S ORIGINAL MAY BE THE DOORS TO WADSWORTH.

WE'RE GOING TO SAVE AND RE AND RE SALVAGE THOSE.

A LOT OF THE PLATE GLASS WORK ALL OF THAT STUFF WAS CONTEMPORARY ADDITIONS.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK WITH THE SAME SHAPE.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE SHAPE OF THOSE STOREFRONTS OR HOW THEY MEET THE STREET WE'RE KEEPING.

IF YOU RECALL, THIS BUILDING ON THE CORNER WAS A BANK AT ONE TIME.

OH, THESE DOORS ARE THE CHEESY ALUMINUM THINGS THAT WE'RE REPLACING WITH MAHOGANY DOORS, BUT THERE'S NICE TILE WORK MOSAIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ON THE FLOOR.

SO I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU THAT THIS IS AN EMERGENCY, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE PRIORITY IS TO GET THE NEW BEAM IN.

ONCE THE NEW BEAM COMES IN, THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO CONCRETE BLOCK GOING UP.

WE'RE GOING TO DO BRICK ON THE INSIDE.

SO FROM THE INSIDE THE SALVAGE BRICK WILL STILL BE VISIBLE BECAUSE IT IS FOR THE REST OF THAT SECOND FLOOR.

BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE SITTING ON TOP OF NEW CONCRETE AND STEEL.

AND THEN ALL OF THAT WILL GET STUCCO WE ARE REPLICATING ALL OF THE DETAILING, INCLUDING THE OLD CHIMNEYS AND PARAPET.

SO IT YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACTOR WAS ABOUT 60% DONE WHEN HE TURNED THE CORNER, AND NOW HE'S 20% DONE.

AND AS YOU IMAGINE, THE OWNERS JUST FREAKING OUT AND THEY'VE HAD TO CLOSE THE TWO STORES.

WE'RE HOPING THAT ONCE WE GET THE BEAM IN AND WE'RE ABLE TO FIX THOSE, THAT WE CAN OPEN THOSE STORES EVEN BEFORE WE GET THE REST OF THE SECOND FLOOR GOING ON THE REPLACEMENT. SO JUST FOR MR. MIRANDA. OKAY, WOULD YOU SAY THE FAILURE OF THAT STEEL BEAM MOST LIKELY IS WHAT STARTED ALL OF THIS? YES. WE THINK THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE BOTH INTERRELATED.

AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN WHEN THEY WERE BRICK, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE BRICK, NOT PAINTED, NOT STUCCO'D, NOT SEALED UP IN SARAN WRAP THAT HIT A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE] TRAPPED THE MOISTURE WHICH THEN DETERIORATED THE BEAMS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT PEOPLE DID STOPGAP LITTLE REPAIRS HERE AND THERE.

BUT NOW IT'S COME, COME TO.

AND JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING, THE ONE THE COLUMN THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EXPOSED EVERYWHERE, WADSWORTH IS THAT'S THE STEEL EXPOSED CURRENTLY.

THAT'S THE STEEL COLUMN, BUT IT'S SHOT AT THE BOTTOM.

SO, YEAH, THE BOTTOM EIGHT INCHES IS ROTTED, SO WE CAN'T USE IT AS A BEARING LOCATION.

SO WE'VE TAKEN MEASUREMENTS TO REPLICATE IT SO THAT WE CAN PUT A STEEL PIPE COLUMN AND THEN WRAP IT WITH THAT SO WE CAN STILL SEE THE EXPOSED.

AND WE TODAY I DISCOVERED THAT ONE OF THESE COLUMNS INSIDE THE CHRISTMAS TREE SHOP IS YOU CAN SEE HALF OF THE CAST IRON COLUMN IS VISIBLE. THE FRONT HAD BEEN COVERED UP WHEN THEY REDID THE STOREFRONT, SO AT ONE TIME IT WAS A NICE DECORATIVE CAST IRON STOREFRONT AND THREE SUPPORTING POSTS.

ANY SIGNATURES OR ARCHITECTURAL THINGS THAT THEY COULD CUT OFF AND SAVE? NOTHING. WE CAN TRY TO LOOK FOR MAKER'S MARK.

[01:30:04]

NO OTHER SURPRISES.

I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN THE WORST REMOVED.

AND NOW IF WE CAN KEEP NUMSKULLS FROM WALKING IN TO THE WORK SITE, WE'D BE GREAT.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ.

APPARENTLY, YOU'VE GOT PRETTY WELL BLOCKED OFF NOW.

YEAH, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WORKMEN GO IN, THEY GO IN THROUGH THE WORK DOOR, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE WALKING OUTSIDE ARE GOING, OH, LET ME SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

LET ME GO RIGHT IN. GIVE ME A BREAK.

ANYWAY. QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO COMMENT.

PLEASE DO. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL JOSE AND THE OWNERS OF BOTH OF THESE BUILDINGS WE JUST DISCUSSED HOW APPRECIATIVE WE ARE FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THE COST THAT THEY'RE INCURRING IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THESE TWO PARTICULAR BUILDINGS ARE AMAZING IN THEIR HISTORY BECAUSE MR. STARK AND MAJOR DURYEE WERE VERY IMPRESSIVE FOUNDING FATHERS OF THIS CITY.

DEWEY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST CITY COMMISSIONERS, AND STARK WAS CLEARLY A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER.

BUT HE HE DID SO MUCH FOR THE COMMUNITY IN THAT CAPACITY.

THIS BANK WAS ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BANK WAS FRED HOYT, WHO OWNED THE HOYT HOUSE.

SO AND HE HIS BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, THE CHANDLER BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS AN AMAZING HISTORICAL PRESERVATION ACTIVITY. AND I JUST HOPE THAT WITH ALL OF THESE PRIVATE OWNERS ARE DOING, I JUST HOPE THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT OUR DOWNTOWN AND SUPPORT THOSE.

SO. AGREED. YES.

YEP. PLEASE PASS THAT ON.

WE'LL DO THAT. SAY EXACTLY WHAT ARLENE SAID.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

YOU KNOW MR. HOGAN AND MR. ? FERGUSON.

YES. ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY HERE.

YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0091? NO RUSH TO THE FRONT.

BOARD MEMBERS CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.

I SUSPECT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

SO MOVE. FOR IT.

MOVE TO APPROVE. WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE LITTLE COMMENT.

I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN SOME OF THAT ORIGINAL BRICK.

YEAH, I MEAN.

SO AT LEAST WE'RE MAINTAINING WHAT WE CAN OF THE HISTORIC MATERIALS.

AND I'LL PUT TOGETHER ONCE I FIND THE MOTION THING.

I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0091 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2023-0091 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. SECOND. MOVED POZZETTA.

SECOND ESCLUSA.

FURTHER DISCUSSION.

HEARING NONE. MISS SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER KOSACK. YES.

MEMBER POYNTER. YES.

MEMBER POZZETTA. YES.

VICE CHAIR ESCULSA. YES.

CHAIR SPINO. YES.

WELL, THAT TOOK ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF FOR THOSE FOUR PIECES, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT EASIER HERE.

WELL, YOU KNOW STOKOWSKI'S HERE.

SO YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE EASY RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] HDC 2024-002.

[5.1 HDC 2024-0002 - NOCCA CONTRACTING, LLC, AGENT FOR DREW + ELIZABETH RICE, 30 N. 6TH STREET]

RICE, 30 NORTH 6TH STREET.

THIS IS THE POOL RETAINING WALL FACING ALACHUA STREET.

DIRECTOR. YES.

GOOD EVENING. AT 30 NORTH 6TH STREET, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO DEMOLISH A 1978 BLOCK GARAGE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW RETAINING WALL.

THERE'S SOME TOPOGRAPHY TO THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BETTER VISUALIZE FROM THE NEXT GRAPHIC.

AND AS IS PROVIDED WITHIN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

INSTALL A NEW SWIMMING POOL AND POOL DECKING, AND INSTALL SAFETY FENCING AND FENCING TO SURROUND IT.

THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIALS THAT WILL FURTHER REINFORCE WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN.

I THINK I CAPTURED ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD PROVIDED FOR THE MEETING.

AND FOR THE APPLICATION OR FOR THE BACKUP MATERIALS ITSELF.

BUT I MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS THAT I CAN SHARE.

IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO IS AT 46.8%.

[01:35:02]

AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THE EQUIPMENT.

LIGHTING DETAILS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

MATERIALS FOR THE DECKING HAVE BEEN PROVIDED.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON.

MENTIONED THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER MATERIALS THAT WE DIDN'T SEE IN THE PACKAGE.

IT WAS SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FENCING ITSELF WAS THE ONLY OTHER ITEM.

I KNOW THAT IT IS DEPICTED IN THE DRAWING HERE TO BE AN IRON STYLE FENCING, AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE PROVIDED.

AND THE ONLY OTHER ITEM THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I WAS ABLE TO UPLOAD IN TIME WAS THE TYPE OF TILE.

I BELIEVE THAT ONE IS IN THERE, AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK.

PULL IT UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND I DO KNOW THAT LIGHTING DETAILS WERE ALSO PROVIDED.

THAT'S ALWAYS A CONCERN.

WE'RE NOT LIGHTING UP DOWNTOWN.

QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.

YES. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THE DRIVEWAY STAYS WHERE? WHERE IT IS. WHERE THE GARAGE IS? YES. NO, NO GARAGE GOING BACK JUST TO PLAIN DRIVEWAY.

RIGHT? I BELIEVE SO IT'S GOING TO BE A WALKWAY, LIKE A PARKING AREA AND THEN A WALK UP.

OKAY. YOU LIKE THE GARAGE? SO LOVELY. EXISTING HISTORIC PROPERTY.

SO THE GARAGE SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY, IF I MAY YOU MAY IN A MOMENT.

PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. IS THAT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? OKAY. COME ON UP.

THANK YOU. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

FOR THE RECORD. DONALD GARNER, I'M REPRESENTING COA.

I'M THE POOL CONTRACTOR.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO REUSE THE BRICKS THE OLD BRICKS THAT ARE THERE NOW FOR THE NEW PARKING AREA.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THAT DOWN ABOUT 20FT BECAUSE YES, SIR. YEAH, YEAH.

WE'RE GOING TO PLAY THAT ROOM THERE.

RIGHT. WE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM.

SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE GARAGE, MOVE THE RETAINING WALL ABOUT 20FT DOWN, LEVEL THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE AS IT IS NOW.

AND THEN BUILD THE POOL AND REPLACE THE PARKING AREA WITH THE ORIGINAL BRICK.

WHAT IS THIS, 50 BY 200 FOOT LOT? YES, BECAUSE IT STRETCHES FROM 6 TO 7.

YES, SIR. WOW.

NICE. YEAH, WELL, BUT THEY HAVE A INTERESTING QUESTIONS FOR MR. GARNER. SO ARE THE DRAWINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

DOES THAT SHOW WHERE YOU INTEND ON PUTTING THE NEW DRIVEWAY LOCATION? YES, SIR.

IT'S. CONFUSING.

YEAH. ARE YOU CONFUSED? YEAH. WE'RE BASICALLY JUST MOVING AT ABOUT 20 FOOT FURTHER DOWN.

IT'S STILL GOING TO BE OFF OF ALACHUA AND.

RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING NOW, DO WE? THE EXISTING PROPERTY.

YES, MA'AM. IT'S ON HERE.

OR THE. THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S ON HERE. OKAY.

SEE HERE.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE BACKYARD.

AND THEN THE GARAGE.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE IT.

WE'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE GARAGE.

REMOVE THIS WALL AND STAIRS.

BRING IT DOWN 20FT.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME ELEVATION THAT THAT THE HOUSE IS.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE PARKING AREA BACK THERE.

NO GARAGE, JUST A PARKING AREA.

AND I THINK I CAN SEE IN THE 3D IMAGE THAT THE FENCE IS OUTSIDE OF THE RETAINING WALL.

BUT IT LOOKED, I THOUGHT I HAD SEEN ON SOME OF THE DRAWINGS NOTATIONS THAT WERE SEEM TO BE INDICATING THE FENCE WAS GOING TO GO ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL ON THE EAST SIDE.

THE FENCE WILL BE ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL ON THE NORTH SIDE.

IT WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE.

SO THERE ACTUALLY WILL BE A GATE DOWN THERE.

IT WILL BE ALONG THE FENCE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO THE STREET SIDE.

SORRY I'M SORRY ON THE STREETS.

SO I THINK THE ISSUE I'M HAVING IS THAT THE DRAWINGS, THE 3D IMAGES, THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET.

[01:40:07]

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE AGREE TO SAY YES HERE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING.

IT'S NOT EXACTLY THAT.

LIKE YOU JUST INDICATED, THAT FENCE IS KIND OF OVER HERE.

I DON'T I CAN'T LOOK AT THAT AND UNDERSTAND HOW CLOSE THAT IS TO ALACHUA STREET.

WHEN YOU PUT THE PUT THE FENCE IN.

WELL, OUR SETBACKS ARE WE ARE WELL OVER OUR SETBACKS FROM ALACHUA STREET.

I MEAN WE'RE. BUT MY POINT IS THAT IF YOU HAD A DRAFTED.

DRAWINGS IN FRONT OF US THAT HAD A SCALE ON IT AND HAD PREFERABLY DIMENSIONS THAT SAID, HEY, THE FENCE IS GOING HERE, WHICH YOU KNOW, THIS FAR IN FROM WHEREVER THE WALKWAY IS THIS BIG, THIS PARKING AREA IS THIS FAR FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IS GOING TO BE THIS WIDE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S AN APPROXIMATION.

AND I PERSONALLY I THINK IT LOOKS GOOD.

BUT I JUST IT'S A CONCEPTUAL.

RIGHT. WE'VE GOT CONCEPTUAL I.

YEAH. THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

I CAN I CAN REDRAW IT FOR YOU AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL NEED SURVEY DRAWINGS EVENTUALLY.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT FOR BUILDING PERMIT.

SURE. YES, SIR. THERE'S AN ARGUMENT FOR SCALING IT CAREFULLY AND COMING BACK TO US BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO MOVE YOUR PROCESS FORWARD ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT FROM US TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITH THOSE SCALE DRAWINGS.

IS THAT AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT, JIM? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY.

SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THIS IS GOING TO GET APPROVED, RIGHT? IT'S GOING TO GET CONTINUED TONIGHT.

YES, SIR. AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK WITH DRAWINGS THAT ARE TO SCALE.

IS THAT CAN WE? YEAH.

YEAH. CAN WE DO THAT? CAN I SUBMIT THAT IN HOUSE AND NOT HAVE TO WORK TILL NEXT MONTH? CAN WE GET THAT? THEY'VE ALREADY PASSED THE DEADLINE FOR APRIL AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE A MAY MEETING, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO ADJUST THAT BECAUSE HE'S.

WELL, HE'S GOT WORK TO DO.

WHEN WAS THE DEADLINE FOR APRIL? IT WAS THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH.

GOTCHA. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS CURRENTLY LISTED FOR APRIL.

RIGHT AT ALL? AT ALL.

SORRY, I THINK YOU'RE COMING BACK IN MAY, BUT IS IT? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, PLEASE. IS THE CONCERN THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE FENCE ITSELF TO THE POOL OR TO THE PROPERTY? I THINK IT'S ALL OF THESE THINGS.

IT'S NOT CLEAR TO US EXACTLY WHERE EVERYTHING IS.

WE HAVE CONCEPTUAL.

WE HAVE THE 3D DRAWINGS THAT LOOK ONE WAY.

WE HAVE LINE DRAWINGS THAT DO NOT AGREE, AND WE DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF SCALE OR EXACT MEASUREMENTS FOR ANY OF THEM.

YEAH. NOW THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ALL THAT FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ANYWAY.

SO IT WILL NEED TO BE ON A SCALED SURVEY FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND FENCING COULD BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO ONE THING ON THAT FENCING, JUST TO THWART ANY PROBLEMS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE, IF THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THAT ONE SIDE ON TOP OF A RETAINING WALL, DO WE GET INTO ANY FENCE HEIGHT ISSUES? WHERE IS THE HEIGHT MEASURED? THAT'S A QUESTION. I CAN PULL UP THAT SECTION OF CODE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS BASED ON THE ELEVATION OF THE GROUND THAT'S THERE.

SO THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO EXCEED SIX EXCEED.

YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT.

FROM NATURAL GRADE. YEAH.

SO THINK ABOUT THAT.

SO NOT THE NEW ELEVATION BUT THE BUT THE LOWER ELEVATION.

IT'S THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY AS IT SITS.

AND I CAN PULL UP THAT SECTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE JUST SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT.

AND THEN THEY WILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR POOL FENCING.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY ZONED COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE DIFFERENT.

IT DOES. IT DOES ACTUALLY, IT'S THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

TWO MORE FEET. YOU CAN GO TWO MORE FEET.

YEAH. DIRECTOR, YOU WOULD RECOMMEND IT FOR APPROVAL.

IS THAT CORRECT? I FEEL COMFORTABLE IN BEING ABLE TO REVIEW THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE HDC'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.

BUT I WILL DEFER TO THE BOARD ON YOUR DIRECTION.

YEAH, AND I JUST.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MR. GARNER. ABSOLUTELY. YOU CAN SEE IT.

AND I'LL SEE IF THERE'S. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE'LL QUICKLY GET THAT OVER WITH.

IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE? 2020 4-002 SEEING NO ONE.

WE WANT TO APPROVE THIS, BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

SO THE NEXT GUY THAT COMES IN WITH A SET OF DRAWINGS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE MEASUREMENTS ON IT.

IT'S GOING TO POINT BACK TO WELL, YOU REMEMBER GARNER CAME IN AND HE HAD THESE BACK THE ENVELOPE DRAWINGS AND YOU APPROVED THAT.

AND IT MAKES ME A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.

I GUESS WE COULD WE COULD APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DIRECTOR.

[01:45:02]

WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SETBACKS AND WHERE THE RETAINING, THE RETAINING DRIVEWAY IS.

DIMENSIONS. SO.

AND DIMENSIONS. RIGHT.

SO I THINK THAT COULD ALL BE HANDLED THROUGH STAFF.

DIRECTOR, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS A CONDITION FOR APPROVAL? YES. THAT THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IN ALL THE DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING.

THEY HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY TO GET THE BUILDING RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO INSTEAD OF DELAYING TWO MORE MONTHS.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS? YEAH. OKAY.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GET CROSSWISE.

I AGREE WITH HIM. I DON'T SEE ANY RED FLAGS.

I DON'T SEE ANY RED FLAGS. OKAY, SO LET'S MOVE IT.

WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE CONDITION SIGN? POZZETTA. BECAUSE.

BECAUSE YOU LIKE MAKING CONDITIONS? NO, BECAUSE HE'S AN ARCHITECT AND HE'S LICENSED, AND WE KIND OF APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE HIM ALL THE TIME.

WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER ARCHITECT ON THIS BOARD SOMETIME.

WELL, THANK GOD I'M NOT.

SO? SO JUST KEEPING IT IN BOARD DISCUSSION.

YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN HELP ME PUT TOGETHER WHAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE.

WELL WHO'S MADE NOTES? I THINK THE DESIGN IS THE DESIGN IS APPROPRIATE.

IT LOOKS.. EXACTLY. IT LOOKS GREAT.

I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE VOTE YES ON SOMETHING, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING YES ON AND THAT WE GET SCALED DRAWINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON'S APPROVAL.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SUFFICIENT CONDITION.

YEAH. I WISH YOU WOULD JUST JUST SAY THAT THERE'S TWO DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED.

SHE'S GOT IT'S LIKE I'VE DONE THIS.

DO YOU HAVE THAT? MORE OR LESS.

OH, I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR THE MOTION.

SO YOU HAVE TO SAY IT JIM.

ALL RIGHT JIM, GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT I'M TRYING.

THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS OUT OF HERE.

YEAH. I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2024-0002 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT SCALED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS BE PROVIDED TO DIRECTOR GIBSON TO REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH LDC GUIDELINES AND SETBACKS, APPROPRIATE SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS OF FENCES, ETC..

AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2024-0002 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. MOVE IS THAT A SECOND POYNTER? I THINK THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD ADD IS THAT IT'S NOT A NOT BUILDING ON A HISTORIC HOME.

IT'S A POOL. YEAH.

SO WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.

MISS SYLVIE, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[5.2 HDC 2024-0003 - A1A SOLAR CONTRACTING, INC, AGENT FOR JEAN GOULDEN, 315 S. 7TH STREET]

INSTALL 17 SOLAR PANELS ON THE REAR OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE LILAC HOUSE.

YES, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT DESCRIPTION OF IT.

IT IS EXACTLY AS YOU DESCRIBED, 17 SOLAR PANELS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE FRONT FACADE.

IT IS LOCATED TO THE SIDE OR REAR OF THE FRONT FACADE.

THEY ARE NOT READILY VISIBLE FROM THE STREETS.

AND THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES SPECIFICALLY WITH UTILITIES AND ENERGY RETROFITTING DEVICES. AND AS SUCH, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.

NOTICEABLE. MR. LITTLE, WOULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND SEE IF OUR FRIENDS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU HERE.

THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR.

YES, SIR. CLIFF LITTLE WITH A-1-A SOLAR.

MY RESIDENCE IS 410 CEDAR.

AND WHAT'S THAT? PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YES, ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH THAT ESSENTIALLY SHOWS THE HOME FROM THE STREET VIEW.

BUT FROM THE STREET VIEW, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING, RIGHT? EVERYTHING'S ON A WESTWARD FACING GARAGE OR SOUTH FACING BELOW THE TWO STORY SECTION THERE.

SO ESSENTIALLY, IT'LL BE INVISIBLE ONLY EXCEPT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO THE REAR.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED VIEW ELECTRICALLY.

AND THIS THING HAS ELECTRIC PANELS ALL OVER THE PROPERTY.

SO ESSENTIALLY THE TIE IN WILL BE VERY SMALL CIRCUIT, 24 AMPS, 30 AMP BREAKER.

SO IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE ELECTRICALLY.

BY THE WAY, I FORGOT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, BECAUSE WE KNOW WE [INAUDIBLE] IT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT.

[01:50:01]

YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LITTLE. YEAH.

VERY CLEAR. THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD. THERE'S ONLY.

I'M TAKING [INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARD TO CASE 2024-0003? CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING, MOVING INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANTED TO HAVE ONE COMMENT ON THIS.

I GOT A CALL FROM, I THINK VERONICA, VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA, AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY TOLD THEM THEY CAN'T PUT THEM UP, THAT WE DENIED THEM.

WHAT CASE WAS THAT? THIS ONE. AND I SAID, NO, I SAID, I SAID, IF IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE WE'VE NOT LOOKED AT IF IT'S ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, I SAID, WE'VE APPROVED.

I SAID, THEY'RE ON MY HOUSE.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY CALLED ME, BECAUSE WHEN I DID MINE.

SO THE INSURANCE..

COMPANY OWNER TOLD THEM THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT, THAT THEY WOULDN'T INSURE THEM, AND WE WOULD HDC WOULD.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER CAME OF THAT.

BUT WE GET A BAD NAME.

YEAH. SO BE SURE TO TELL THEM YOU SAID NO PLEASE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING WAS THE KIND OF KEY THING FOR ME TO SEE.

YEAH. THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT DRAWINGS PRESENTED TO US, TO MAKE IT EASY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS.

AND THAT REALLY HELPED DEMONSTRATE TO ME THAT THESE PANELS ARE NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

RIGHT? RIGHT. I NEED TO RUN AND GET SOME WATER.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE DID? BLAKE HAS NOT REMOVED THIS AND HE'LL TAKE OVER AND MOVE IT.

I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER AGC 2024 003 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

AND I MOVE THAT THE SEC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HCC CASE EIGHT.

THAT HCC CASE HCC 2024-003 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO ONE FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. MOVED ON.

SECOND, KOSACK, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

POZZETTA. YES.

MEMBERS. KOSACK.

YES. MEMBER.

POYNTER. YES. VICE-CHAIR ESCULSA.

YES. CHAIR SPINO.

YES. AND MR. SCREWS IS INTRODUCED NEXT CASE.

SO I READ THE AWARD OKAY.

NEXT CASE IS HCC 2024 004 MICHAEL STOUFFER, AGENT FOR MISS JAMES AND CATHERINE BURBANK, 501 CEDAR

[5.3 HDC 2024-0004 - MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR JAMES A. + KATHERINE BURBANK GALLI, 501 CEDAR STREET]

THIS IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ACCESSORY DWELLING WITH A GARAGE.

AN ADDITION OF A NEW MASTER SUITE ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE TO RENOVATE THE FRONT PORCH.

AND YOU'VE GOT THE SITE PLAN HERE.

I DO WANT TO NOTE, FOR THE RECORD WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, I HAD INDICATED THAT WE NEEDED TO SEE THE PLACEMENT OF HVAC THAT IS CLEARLY PROVIDED AS PART OF THE DRAWINGS TO BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HERE AND BEHIND A FENCE DOES HAVE PROPER SCREENING FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THE SOUTH ELEVATION WITH THE PORCH IS PROVIDED.

I ALSO HAVE THE NORTH ELEVATION SO THAT YOU CAN SEE IT IN CONTEXT.

AND THE WEST ELEVATION, WITH BOTH THE ADDITION AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND STAFF HAS FOUND THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND ISSUES A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON.

I DID NOT SEE A MEASUREMENT FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY DWELLING.

GOOD QUESTION. AND THAT MAY BE PROVIDED HERE ON THIS DRAWING.

IT IS NOT INDICATED GOING TO THE PEAK OF THE ROOF AS IS REQUIRED.

IT IS A MAXIMUM OF 25FT IN HEIGHT.

RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE A MIKE QUESTION THEN.

AND ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FOR FINAL APPROVAL SCALED SITE PLAN DRAWINGS ON A SURVEY SO THAT SO THAT YOU SEE IT IN CONTEXT, JUST LIKE WE DESCRIBED WITH THE POOL.

YEAH, YEAH. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON, MR. STAUFFER. OKAY, BUDDY.

MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT FOR 22 SOUTH SIXTH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.

THE HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS 21.5FT.

THANK YOU. SO SORRY I DIDN'T PUT THAT ON THE DRAWING.

YES. THIS PROJECT IS ONE OF THE RARE ONES WHERE YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME DEMOLITION DONE BEFORE YOU GET IN THERE AND FIND ALL THE SQUIRRELY STUFF THAT'S INSIDE.

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WE HAD A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE HOUSE WITH THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH, WHICH WAS BASICALLY FALLING DOWN.

AND THEN YOU SEE THE OTHER ONE WHERE IT STRUTTED UP, WHERE IT WAS ALREADY TAKEN OUT.

WERE FORTUNATELY ABLE TO GUT THE INTERIOR AND GET A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT'S INSIDE AND REMOVE A REALLY OBNOXIOUS ADDITION THAT WAS ON THE BACK.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IN THE PLAN OVERALL, CAN WE SEE THE OVERALL FLOOR PLAN? NOT USING THIS ONE.

YEP. WELL, IT'S MISSING THE FRONT.

OH, FROM THE FRONT.

THERE SHOULD BE A PLAN THAT HAS EVERYTHING LIKE THIS IS CUT OFF THE GARAGE AND THIS IS CUT OFF.

LET ME PULL THAT UP JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THIS STRUCTURE, THE PIECE THAT'S THERE NOW, WHEN YOU GO BY, APPEARS ON BOTH THE 26 AND 49 SANBORN MAPS.

THERE WAS A LITTLE LARGER PIECE ON THE 1909, WHICH SURPRISED ME, BUT NEVER KNOW WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE.

THEY'RE SUCH SMALL SCALE.

ANYWAY, THE WHAT YOU SEE HERE.

THERE WE GO. IS THIS THE CORRECT ONE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

YES. OKAY.

THE DASHED LINES INDICATE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHAT'S EXISTING, AND THEN THIS LINE, I'LL EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU.

THAT IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING.

THERE WAS A REALLY BAD ADDITION RIGHT HERE THAT JUST JUST HAD TO BE TAKEN DOWN THE FRONT PORCH IS THERE.

THERE WAS A REALLY BAD ENCLOSURE HERE.

RIGHT. AND THE PORCH COLUMNS HAVE BEEN SALVAGED.

SZARKOWSKI'S HAVE SAVED THOSE, AND WE'RE GOING TO REINSTALL.

THAT'S AN ERROR ON MY PART.

I SAID MATCH THEM.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SAVED THEM WHEN WE USE THEM.

THE PORCH WAS DECAYED BEYOND BELIEF.

SO THE CONCEPT HERE, NOT THAT YOU CARE ABOUT THE INSIDE, BUT WAS TO KIND OF CREATE AN OPEN COMMON YOU KNOW, A MORE MODERN KIND OF INTERIOR SPACE.

OUTLINE. THE FRONT FACADE ON CEDAR IS VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED.

COMING DOWN THIS SIDE, ONE THING WE DID DO IS THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO WINDOWS ON THE HOUSE HERE, AND THERE'S A WINDOW HERE.

THIS ROOM HAD NO REALLY GOOD WALLS FOR KIND OF LAYOUT.

SO WERE PROPOSING TO MOVE THAT ONE WINDOW AND BANK THEM HERE IN THE DINING ROOM.

THIS PIECE IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OLD TOO, A BIG GABLE, AS IS THIS PIECE, THIS LITTLE SHED ADDITION WE'RE MAINTAINING JUST BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT OUR CURRENT SETBACK IS RIGHT HERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP AS MUCH OF WHAT WE CAN USE AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN THE GOAL HERE WAS TO CREATE A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE FOR THE OWNERS.

SO WE ADDED A MASTER SUITE OVER HERE, ADDED A LAUNDRY ROOM, CREATED TWO BEDROOMS AND A BATHROOM IN THE MAIN HOUSE, THEN CAME IN AND PUT IN A TWO CAR GARAGE WITH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ABOVE.

USING THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS FOR THE STAIR.

THE AC UNITS.

JUST FOR CLARITY THEY ARE.

THE STAIR GETS HIGH ENOUGH THAT WE HAVE CLEARANCE SO WE CAN PUT THEM UNDERNEATH THE STAIR, BECAUSE THE FIVE FOOT SETBACK KILLS US EVERYWHERE WE GO.

AND THERE WAS NO OTHER PLACE OTHER THAN THE FRONT YARD AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

WE THIS WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE A COVERED PORCH ON.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE MET OUR LOT COVERAGE WITH THE COVERED PORCH.

THE OPEN DECK DOESN'T COUNT, SO WE'RE JUST DOING SOME OPEN DECKING, AND WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE COMING IN FOR $2,500.

SO THIS NICE BIG TREE IS HERE, AND WE WORKED AROUND TRYING TO SAVE THAT TREE.

AND THAT'S YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE I SAY, YOU CAN SEE THE DWELLING UNIT PLAN ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

WINDOWS. THERE'S A HODGEPODGE OF WINDOWS ON THIS.

WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE SIX OVER ONE LIGHT WAS THE KIND OF THE PREDOMINANT ONE.

SO ANYWHERE WHERE THERE ARE ANY INCONSISTENCIES IN THAT, WE'RE CONVERTING OVER TO THAT WHERE WE CAN WE'RE SAVING.

WE HAVEN'T ON THE FINAL DRAWINGS.

WE'LL GIVE YOU A BETTER INVENTORY OF ALL OF THOSE.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET INTO THEM.

THESE THREE HERE ARE GOING TO BE SALVAGED.

OBVIOUSLY, THAT ONE, THE ONES IN THIS PART OF THE BUILDING ARE BEING SALVAGED.

EVERYTHING BACK HERE IS PURE GARBAGE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE THREE BY THREE GARBAGE WINDOWS.

SO WE'RE REPLACING THOSE AND THESE WERE TWO OVER TWO LIGHTS.

I THINK THAT OTHER THAN LOOKING AT THE ELEVATIONS AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS, WE TRIED TO KEEP THE ARCHITECTURE CONSISTENT WITH THE STYLE WITHOUT TRYING TO MIMIC DID ADD A COUPLE OF BRACKETED KIND OF CANOPIES TO ADD A LITTLE COASTAL FLAVOR TO THE NEW, NEW COMPONENTS.

AND THERE YOU GO.

OH BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR ON THIS WAS A VERY DIFFICULT DIMENSIONED PORTION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO WORK WITHIN AND GET ALL THE ROOMS WE NEEDED.

WE ARE SAVING THIS EXTERIOR WALL.

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WE'RE REMOVING ONE OF THE EXISTING EXTERIOR WALLS IN SETTING THIS NEW PIECE, SO THAT IT'S A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHERE THAT FACADE, THAT ROOF, IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED. WE'LL RUN A BEAM ALL THE WAY ACROSS HERE THAT WILL HOLD UP THAT ROOF.

SO FROM THE EXTERIOR, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WE LOST THAT ON THE INSIDE AND WE'RE WRAPPING IT WITH NEW ADDITIONS ANYWAY, SO WE THOUGHT IT'D BE.

THAT'S ON THE IT'S ON THE BACKSIDE.

THAT'S ON THE ACTUALLY ON THE WEST.

ON THE EAST SIDE. RIGHT.

NO THIS IS ON THE EAST.

THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE.

YES. GOTCHA. ACTUALLY NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.

BUT AGAIN, WERE GOING TO COVER IT UP WITH ALL THE ADDITIONS ANYWAY, AND WE JUST COULDN'T GET THE PROPORTIONS OF THE ROOMS TO REALLY WORK OUT.

MICHAEL, THE FORMER OWNER, I THOUGHT, TOLD ME THAT THIS HOUSE GOT MOVED TO THIS SITE.

BUT YOU'VE GOT SANBORN MAPS IN 1909.

YEAH. SO THAT TELLS ME IT WAS CONSTRUCTED THERE.

YEP. BARRY CLIFFORD I KNOW BARRY CLIFFORD.

I CAN SEE THIS HOUSE FROM OUR HOUSE.

SO I WAS JUST SAYING WHEN YOU SAID PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE.

LET'S NOT DO THAT HERE. MESSAGE FOR MR. STAFF. THIS IS AND I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS HOUSE HAS EXISTING BRICK STEPS ON A FOOD AND JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE, WE'RE SAVING THOSE EXISTING BRICK STUFF.

MY WIFE HAS A QUESTION THE OTHER DAY.

HOW DID YOU GET SO MANY MISMATCHED WINDOWS? IN THIS HOUSE. I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST VERY IMPORTANT.

IT'S INSANE. IT'S LIKE WHATEVER WAS AVAILABLE.

YEAH, WHATEVER WAS THERE. SIX OVER ONE DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S ORIGINAL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE WINDOW SPECIALIST IS COMMITTED TO YEAH.

OUR OTHER NEIGHBOR WHO CAN ALSO SEE THIS HOUSE FROM.

IT'S A SMALL TOWN. BEAUTIFUL.

BEAUTIFUL DRAWINGS. MICHAEL.

THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY DWELLING TO THE PEAK? I WILL TELL YOU THAT 20 IS.

I WILL CONFESS, IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN THE LESS THAN LESS THAN [INAUDIBLE] YEAH.

IT'S A SINGLE STORY.

IT IS.

OH, WAIT A MINUTE.

SORRY. IT'S PRETTY SMALL.

HAS USED MORE THAN 16.

LESS THAN 20. ACTUALLY IT'S 20.

JUST JUST JUST AROUND 20.

SO WE'RE 20 21.5 ON THE ON THE ACCESSORY.

WHAT ABOUT THE HISTORIC.

NO. YEAH.

ACTUALLY THAT DOES SEEM TO SHOW UP IN BETWEEN ONE OF THESE.

THE ONE THAT'S ON THE BACK.

YEAH. OH, GOD.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FOR MR. SOFFER. GREAT DRAWINGS.

THANK YOU. REALLY NICE.

ESPECIALLY FOR CONCEPTUAL.

WE'LL CLOSE, AND WE WILL OBVIOUSLY, IN OUR FINAL DRAWINGS HAVE A FULL, YOU KNOW, FULLY, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION DRAWING SITE.

BUT I DID TRY TO MAKE SURE TO SHOW ALL THE SETBACKS.

SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHERE THE HOUSE WAS SITTING.

IT'S. YEAH. THE REASON THIS HOUSE IS NEVER COMING DOWN IS BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT TO THE PROPERTY.

YOU COULDN'T. YEAH.

KEEP EVERYTHING YOU CAN 2020.

OKAY. IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE, 2020 4-0004, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVING TO BOARD DISCUSSION.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE ADU CAN'T BE TALLER THAN THE HISTORIC? I DON'T THINK WE DO, BUT I THINK IT'S IT'S IT IS 24.

IT'S 25. IT CAN'T BE TALLER BECAUSE IT'S UNDER THE 25.

THEN WE'RE UP THERE. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK I COULD BE WRONG.

THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PLACE IS IT'S WHERE IT'S LOCATED AT.

YEAH. AND THE TREE, THE FRONT FACADE IS HARD TO TELL ANYTHING.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

OH, I'M.

BUT PLEASE TELL YOUR CLIENTS THAT ALL THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS RENOVATION.

AND WE SURE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

THEY'RE WATCHING. SO YOU JUST LIKE IT WAS? YEAH. IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.

NICE, CLIFF. AND I CAN TELL YOU.

YEAH. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY SAVE THAT TREE BECAUSE THAT.

OH, YEAH. IT'S AMAZING TO ME.

THE TREE REALLY MAKES IT EASY TO BE OKAY WITH THE ACCESSORY UNIT BEING A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE HOUSE.

RIGHT. THE TREE IS A VERY IT'S A VERY GOOD ELEMENT TO KEEP ON A LOT FOR THAT TO BE DRAWN.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE RIGHT OF WAY.

I COULD BE WRONG BUT OKAY.

SO WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION I GOT IT, I MOVED TO APPROVE HCC CASE NUMBER 2024-0004 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

AND I MOVE THAT THE HCC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HCC CASE 2020 4-0044 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE , THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. MOVE TO KOSACK.

SECOND. ESCULSA HEARING.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. MISS SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER POZZETTA. YES.

MEMBER KOSACK. YES.

MEMBER POYNTER. YES.

VICE CHAIR ESCLUSA.

YES. CHAIR SPINO.

YES. THANK YOU MICHAEL.

APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WELL.

OUR LAST CASE HDC 2024-0005D.

[5.4 HDC 2024-0005 - FRANK + JENNIFER DAMATO, 111 S. 3RD STREET]

[02:05:04]

THIS IS DIRECTOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.

THIS IS FINAL APPROVAL.

IT SAYS CONCEPTUAL ON THE AGENDA.

BUT GIVEN I APOLOGIZE, THAT'S OKAY.

CERTIFICATE TO REPLACE 13 WINDOWS.

GO AHEAD. YES.

THIS EVENING THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE ALL OF THE WINDOWS LOCATED AT THEIR STRUCTURE, RECENTLY COMPLETED WITH IMPACT WINDOWS.

THE DESIGN PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SEE EXISTING THERE TODAY.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MANUFACTURER.

AND THEIR IMPACT THE TYPE OF WINDOWS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PLACED ON THESE STRUCTURES AND THESE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THEY ARE CRA PROPERTIES UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL.

THESE WINDOWS, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST.

AND SO REPLACEMENT WINDOWS MAY NOT BE ON THE APPROVED LIST EITHER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL GUIDANCE THAT TELLS US HOW TO TREAT PROPERTIES LIKE THIS.

AND SO OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION, WE FAST FORWARD TO THE BOARD.

FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

FROM THE OUTSIDE, THEY WILL LOOK EXACTLY AS YOU SEE THEM TODAY.

THERE'S NO CHANGES IN THE OPENINGS.

THEY ARE THE SAME AS THE EXISTING WINDOWS THERE.

THEY'RE JUST A DIFFERENT WINDOW.

SO I DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CASE THIS EVENING.

CONSISTENT WITH THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF SOME DIRECTION ON ANY FUTURE ITEMS SIMILAR TO THIS, WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO AVOID BRINGING AN APPLICANT FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR FULL REVIEW.

IS THAT THE ITEM CHANGE IN PROCESS FOR STAFF ISSUED CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL? SEPARATE ISSUE? NO. YEAH.

SEPARATE ISSUE. BUT I JUST I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO.

POSSIBLY AVOID THIS KIND OF SCENARIO IN THE FUTURE.

THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD WINDOWS REPLACED IN THESE BUILDINGS.

NO, I THINK TWO OTHER UNITS REPLACED THEM.

YEAH. REALLY? IT'S.

YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING, CONSIDERING THE COST OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT THEIR FOLKS ARE TEARING UP WINDOWS.

SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? YEAH. SO, KELLY, I DROVE BY.

I TOOK A LOOK SCRUTINIZED.

THE THINGS I WAS TRYING TO PAY ATTENTION TO, CLOSE ATTENTION TO WERE.

AND THEN I WOULD WANT TO SEE IN THE SUBMITTAL ALL THOSE BUILDINGS HAVE EXTERIOR MOUNTED MUNTINS.

SO I'D WANT TO MAKE VERY CERTAIN THAT THE NEW WINDOWS ALSO HAVE EXTERIOR MOUNTED MUNTINS.

NUMBER TWO, LOOKS LIKE ALL THE EXISTING WINDOWS OUT THERE ARE SINGLE HUNGS, SO I'M PRETTY SURE PGT MAKES PLENTY OF SINGLE HUNG TYPE WINDOWS, SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE FINE.

THE NEXT THING I NOTICED WAS THE COLOR I SEE IN THE SUBMITTAL.

IT SAYS BRONZE WHITE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT BRONZE WHITE MEANS, BUT ALL THE WINDOWS OUT THERE ARE THAT KIND OF OIL RUB, BRONZE COLOR.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY VITAL THAT THE NEW ONES ALSO BE MATCHED THE COLOR, BECAUSE A WHITE WINDOW IS NOT GOLD.

YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.

YEAH. AND THEY ARE LIKE SOLID BRONZE ON THE OUTSIDE OR.

YEAH. AND I ALSO SEE THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT WANTING TO CHANGE THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS.

THE ONES, THE WIND, THE WINDOWS THAT FACE THE STREET, MY OPINION WOULD BE NO, DON'T DON'T CHANGE THE TRIM BECAUSE ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH THE TRIM TREATMENT ONES.

THE ONES ON THE SIDE SEEM TO BE MIX AND MATCH REGARDING TRIM.

SO I THINK MAYBE IF THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THE TRIM ON THE SIDES, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY.

IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU THEN.

WITH THE APPLICANT. LIKE TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE.

JUST COME ON UP HERE.

PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE TRYING TO PRETEND IT'S A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AT THIS POINT.

PRETENDING. DOING GOOD SO FAR.

MY NAME IS JENNIFER D'AMATO.

I LIVE AT 111 SOUTH THIRD STREET.

THANK YOU. IN REFERENCE TO MR. POZZETTA QUESTION THE WHITE AND THE BRONZE.

THE BRONZE MEANS OUTSIDE IT WILL BE BRONZE WHITE ON THE INSIDE, AS THEY EXACTLY ARE NOW.

AND THE HOUSE RIGHT BELOW US HAS THE EXACT SAME REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, SAME STYLE, EVERYTHING.

AND THE BUTTONS WILL BE RAISED.

SO GOOD. AND WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE BANDING ON THE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, ONLY ON THE SIDE.

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THEY'LL BE BANDED ON.

IT'LL MATCH. NOW THE TWO ENDS.

THAT'S ALL I THANK YOU.

OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MOTTO.

IF NOT, AND NO PROBLEM.

WE'LL OPEN AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK.

THIS IS CASE 005 BOARD MEMBERS.

AND THIS IS FINAL APPROVAL.

NO. PUBLICLY NOTICED IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD SUE US OVER THIS ONE.

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

I GUESS IT'S A PROCESS QUESTION.

YES, PLEASE.

AND THIS WOULD BE FOR THE DIRECTOR.

WHEN THESE WINDOWS WENT IN, AS YOU DISCUSSED WITH ME YESTERDAY, THE CODE, THE BUILDING CODE DID NOT REQUIRE IMPACT WINDOWS. THE WHOLE ISLAND IS IN A FLOOD ZONE.

DOES THE STATE BUILT, IT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MOST RECENT FLOOD ZONE MAPS, THE WHOLE ISLAND, THE ENTIRE ISLAND IS NOT WITHIN A REGULATED FLOOD ZONE. OKAY? THERE'S INTERPRETATION THERE AGAIN.

BUT I'M JUST.

NO. IT'S OKAY, MIKE, I GOT YOU.

I WON'T ARGUE WITH YOU.

MY MY POINT IS, THOUGH, THAT FLORIDA STATE BUILDING CODE WAS MORE RIGOROUS THAN IT IS NOW.

IS THAT WHAT, AT ONE POINT IN TIME.

YES. AND DO WE KNOW WHY THAT CHANGED OVER TIME? IT HAS CHANGED TO JUST DEFER BACK TO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ADOPTED AT THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF IT, RATHER THAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA WENT UNDER THE MIAMI DADE BUILDING CODE.

AND THAT THAT LASTED FOR, I BELIEVE, 5 TO 7 YEARS BEFORE AN UPDATED FLORIDA BUILDING CODE COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE.

THAT NEW BUILDING CODE WAS NOT AS STRICT AS THE MIAMI DADE BUILDING CODE IS.

YEAH. AND THEN THERE HAVE BEEN SUBSEQUENT VERSIONS FOLLOWING IT.

YEAH. SO THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE GETS UPDATED EVERY THREE YEARS.

30 YEARS? THREE, THREE.

THANK YOU. AND THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THE STORM EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THE PREVIOUS ITERATION.

AND WHAT HAS THE LAST FEW ITERATIONS OF NEW CODES HAVE BEEN GOING ON.

THUS THE WIND NUMBERS ACTUALLY BEEN GOING DOWN FOR US HERE.

YEAH. TELL THAT TO MY HOUSE ON NORTH.

YEAH. AND OUR TYPICAL, WIND ZONE MILES PER HOUR HERE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 130.

MIAMI-DADE, 170 180.

YES. SO SIGNIFICANT.

WAY MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD DOWN THERE THAN UP HERE.

SO IT WAS AN EXPENSE ISSUE MORE LIKELY THAT CHANGED.

OKAY. AND KELLY, I WAS CURIOUS, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO USE CMU FOR BUILDING CONSTRUCTION DOWN THERE.

THEY CAN BUILD FRAME BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER BIG DIFFERENCE.

KELLY AND I ARE FROM DOWN THERE.

THEY USE CMU BLOCK TO BUILD EVERYTHING.

I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I CAME HERE.

I WAS LIKE, EVERYTHING'S GREAT.

WELL, ESPECIALLY AFTER HURRICANE ANDREW, RIGHT? ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION CAME BACK CMU BLOCK, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL.

OKAY, THEN.

SO OUR OUR CONCERN IS JUST WE HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER THE BUILDING CODE.

IT'S JUST WHAT THE PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND, AND I THINK THE WINDOW CHOICE IS FINE.

IT MATCHES EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE.

IF WE HAVE ANY HEARTBURN OVER THE BANDING, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE.

AND IF WE THINK THAT'S FINE, THEN I SAY IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

YOU'RE MATCHING THE NEIGHBORS.

IT'S HARD TO COMPLAIN. YEAH.

SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE.

CASE NUMBER HDC 2024-.

WHAT IS IT, 0004? 5. IT'S A TYPO.

IT'S A TYPO. IT'S 005.

OH OKAY. AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW.

PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC 2024-0005 IS PRESENTED AS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLYING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE AMELIA RIVER WATERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

SECOND. MOVED.

POYNTER SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

MEMBER KOSACK.

YES. MEMBER. POYNTER.

YES. MEMBER. POZZETTA.

YES. VICE CHAIR.

CLAUSEN. YES. CHAIR SPINO. YES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

I KNOW IT'S A LONG NIGHT.

YEAH. IT'S A SHAME YOU HAVE TO REDO THOSE WINDOWS.

[02:15:03]

I KNOW, BUT IT'S A SHAME SOME OF THEM FAILED.

ALRIGHTY. WE'LL MOVE INTO BOARD BUSINESS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO BRING TO THE TABLE?

[6. BOARD BUSINESS]

LET ME REMEMBER WHAT THEY WERE.

OH, JUST FYI, THE ORIGINAL BLACK CHURCH NEXT TO MINE, THE BRICK.

YEAH, IS ONE SIGNATURE AWAY FROM BEING PURCHASED BY SAINT MICHAEL'S.

OH, AND SO THE HUFFMANS, THEY WERE ON THE TOUR? YEAH, WHEN YOU WERE THERE. SO YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A BITTERSWEET SITUATION, BUT SAINT MIKE'S IS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT, BUT THEY ARE.

THEY'VE ALREADY NEGOTIATED WITH EVERYTHING.

WE PROBABLY KNOW WHO THE ARCHITECT IS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THERE'S A DEED RESTRICTION ON IT.

SO THEY WORKED WITH CHUCK ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.

THE SECOND THING IS THE PORT FOR THE VACANT PARCELS ON THIRD.

THERE'S THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THEIR FEBRUARY MEETING ABOUT AND THERE'S AMBIGUITY HERE.

PHIL GRIFFIN, THE REALTOR, SAID HE THINKS THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTIES IS FOR OFFICE.

AND THAT WOULD BE A GREAT BUFFER TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO I'VE REACHED OUT TO MIRIAM AND I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM HER AND BUT WE ARE OUR TWO ON THE TWO ONES FLANKING DADE, SO NO OFFICES THERE, RIGHT? MU ONE IS THE ONE ALL THE WAY NEXT TO THE CAPTAIN'S HOUSE.

YEAH. BUT CONTEXTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AN OFFICE BUILDING AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ZONING, GETTING THEM GETTING ZONING.

YEAH. THE ONLY STICKY WICKET IS IF THEY WANT TO PUT THE CUSTOMS BUILDING ON ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THEY, THEY.

SINCE THAT'S GOVERNMENT, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN SUPERSEDE OUR ZONING.

THEY. HOW DID THEY JUSTIFY HAVING AN ONGOING CUSTOMS HOUSE FOR EIGHT SHIPS A MONTH, EIGHT DAYS A MONTH? THAT'S LET ME JUST SAY THAT ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS JUST RETIRED FROM CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION, AND HE SAID IT WAS OBSCENE THAT THEY WERE HAVING THEIR OWN CUSTOMS OFFICE HERE BECAUSE YOU COULD EASILY HAVE SOMEBODY DRIVE UP FROM JACKSONVILLE.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE DON'T KNOW THE SHIPS ARE COMING ON THE EIGHT DAYS IT COMES, ON THE EIGHT DAYS THEY COME, AND THEN THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE HERE FOR THE DAY.

WE WOULD PAY THEIR TRAVEL TO WORK IN JACKSONVILLE.

RIGHT. IT'S MUCH BETTER. RIGHT? RIGHT. WELL THEY HAVE AN ARCHITECT RIGHT NOW, COMING UP WITH ALL KINDS OF BIG NEW PLANS FOR THAT, EITHER ON THAT PROPERTY OR SOMEPLACE ELSE.

SO THAT'S DOES IT MAKE ANY SENSE? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO PAY FOR THIS.

BUT YOU SAY THERE'S PROBABLY SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD SAY, OH, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A CUSTOMS HOUSE.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A CUSTOMS HOUSE.

YEAH, WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE.

THAT'S HOW THEY DOWNSIZED IT.

RIGHT? I THINK THEY COULD PUT IT IN ON A SITE THERE IN A CONTAINER.

WELL, ALL RIGHT DIRECTOR, WHERE ARE WE? ON OUR AGENDA HERE.

WE. DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING STAFF CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL FOR JANUARY OR FEBRUARY?

[7. STAFF REPORT]

OKAY CHANGING THE PROCESS FOR STAFF ISSUED CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL.

DIRECTOR. YES.

THANK YOU. SO, JUST AND HAVING WORKED WITH THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW WE FOUND WHERE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STREAMLINE OUR PROCESSES FOR CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL THAT ARE ISSUED AT A STAFF LEVEL FOR CERTAIN ONES WHERE THEY ARE TIED TO A BUILDING PERMIT OR A ZONING PERMIT, THINGS SUCH AS SIGNS, FENCES SMALL IMPROVEMENTS THAT DO GET CONNECTED WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.

WE WILL ISSUE A STAFF LEVEL CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.

AT THE SAME TIME THE BUILDING PERMIT IS REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED, THE FEE WOULD BE APPLIED AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT IS CONSIDERED.

YOU WILL NOT SEE AN INDEPENDENT NUMBER THAT IS TRACKED.

INSTEAD, YOU'LL SEE A PERMIT NUMBER.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL THE REPORTS TO DETERMINE ALL OF THE STAFF LEVEL ISSUED CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, MINUS THE FACT THAT YOU'LL SEE ISSUED TO THEM RATHER THAN A SEPARATE PLANNING REVIEW NUMBER.

AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL REALLY STREAMLINE THINGS, REDUCE A LOT OF THE REDUNDANCY AND PEOPLE UPLOADING THINGS TO TWO DIFFERENT AREAS, GETTING CONFUSED, ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDED IN ONE AREA AND PUT IT IN ANOTHER AREA AND AVOID SOME OF THAT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFFING AS WELL.

SO FAR WE'VE HAD, I THINK, 3 OR 4 THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THIS WAY AND IT SEEMS TO BE MOVING ALONG WITHOUT ANY REAL ISSUES.

GREAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT THOUGHTFUL INFORMATION.

DOES THAT NEED TO BE CODIFIED SOMEHOW, OR IS THAT JUST IN A GUIDELINE? IF PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO STAFF APPROVAL AND WE'RE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW IS THAT YOUR PROJECT MAY BE ABLE WE SUPPORT YOUR BUILDING PERMIT. WE SUPPORT YOU.

RIGHT? WE SUPPORT.

YEAH, WE DO SUPPORT YOU.

GREAT. AND THEN FINALLY NOT QUITE FINALLY, THE CRA DESIGNED DOWNTOWN AND CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES.

WE PICKED A VENDOR, WE PICKED A DESIGNER.

SO SINCE JANUARY, WE HAVE SELECTED A VENDOR.

IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

THIS IS FOR THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES UPDATE.

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AND AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, WE WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO UPDATE THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES WITH THE VENDOR WE'VE SELECTED.

IT'S MARQUIS LATIMER AND HALBACH.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE PAST ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONSIDER THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AS AN APPENDIX TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT GUIDELINES, RATHER THAN A COMPLETELY SEPARATE DOCUMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK FURTHER ABOUT AS A GROUP.

IT MAKES SENSE, GIVEN THE DEGREE OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS AND BEING ABLE TO SEPARATE OUT JUST THOSE WATERFRONT BASED PROPERTIES WILL BE ABLE TO BE EASILY DISTINGUISHED, I BELIEVE AND HOW WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM TREATED WHEN THEY'RE NOT THE SAME AS DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE THAT OVERLAP OCCURRING.

SO THAT IS A POINT FOR CONSIDERATION.

I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PASS ALONG A LOT OF THE NOTES THAT I KNOW THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE PARTICIPATED IN, IN PREPARING FOR THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE TO OUR VENDOR.

THEY ARE OFF AND RUNNING WITH IT.

WE HAD A PRELIMINARY MEETING WITH THEM IN LATE FEBRUARY TO SORT OF GET THINGS KICKED OFF AND WE'LL DO ANOTHER FORMAL MEETING TOGETHER WITH THEM LATER THIS MONTH.

IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, THOUGHTS, MUST HAVES WANT TO HAVE KIND OF FEEDBACK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO CONVEY TO THEM THAT I HAVEN'T ALREADY PROVIDED AS PART OF THE RFP OR SOME OF THE NOTES THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN THE PAST.

SEND IT MY WAY.

I KNOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING VERY QUICKLY GIVEN THE TIME CRUNCH THAT WE HAVE.

THESE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE.

WE DO HAVE AN EXTENSION NOW TO BY THE END OF AUGUST, SO IT'S STILL A PRETTY QUICK TURNAROUND.

AND SO I WILL BE PROVIDING MONTHLY UPDATES TO YOU, EMAIL UPDATES WHERE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HITTING ON, PLEASE SEND THAT OVER TO ME.

KELLY, WILL WE HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO RED LINE OR LOOK THROUGH? ABSOLUTELY. OH YEAH.

YOU'LL HAVE YOU WILL HAVE TIME.

YEAH. THEY ARE TAKING THIS ON VERY QUICKLY AND MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING THE OUTLINES AND THE FRAMEWORK FOR IT THAT.

I'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT AS SOON AS I RECEIVE ANYTHING FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

IS THIS THE SAME VENDOR THAT HAD DONE ONE WATERFRONT DESIGN? YES. CORRECT. WHICH IS WHY THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION.

CONFUSION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WHEN WE HIRED THEM TO DO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THEY THOUGHT WERE HIRING THEM TO DO THE WATERFRONT DESIGN.

AND WE HAD TO CLARIFY THAT FOR SOME PEOPLE.

AND IT'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

DESIGN GUIDELINES VERSUS DESIGN.

OF COURSE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? JIM I HOPE I DIDN'T CUT YOU OFF.

I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD ANOTHER 21 UNDER BOARD BUSINESS.

NO OKAY. NO NOT THAT I CAN REMEMBER.

NOT AT 723.

NO. AND WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN IN MAY.

IN MAY? ANYTHING ELSE? FROM THE VENDOR ON THE DESIGN GUIDELINES IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, I WILL CONVEY TO YOU BY EMAIL IF THAT'S OKAY.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

APRIL. YOU DO NOT HAVE AN APRIL MEETING.

OKAY. COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

WE SURE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

WE'RE OUT OF HERE. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.