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>> STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ANYBODY SEE ANY MISTAKES IN THE MINUTE READING THIS TIME?>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE NEXT IN THE REGULAR MEETING ON DECEMBER 14TH.
>> I HAVE SOMEONE TO MOTION APPROVAL.
>> SAM, AIRPORT FINANCIAL REPORT?
[5.1 Airport Financial Report]
>> YES, SIR. THIS PACKET, WE PUT A COPY OF THE AIRPORT FINANCIAL REPORT IN THERE.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S THREE PROJECTS OF NOTE THAT I'D LIKE TO MENTION, CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ALL COMING UP THIS YEAR.
ONE IS THE TAX AWAY ALPHA PROJECT, WHICH IS A FAA GRANT TIED TO THAT, ALSO WITH FI GRANT AND A SMALL PORTION OF LOCAL MATCH.
THERE'S THE HANGAR B APRON PROJECT.
THEN THERE'S A STORMWATER DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.
THAT'S THE THREE BIG CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR.
IF YOU TAKE THOSE OUT AND THE FIRE STATION, WHICH ISN'T AN AIRPORT PROJECT BUT IT FALLS UNDER OUR BUDGET, THAT LEAVES US WITH THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH I'M CONFIDENT THIS YEAR WE'RE WELL ON SCHEDULE TO HAVE MORE REVENUE THAN EXPENSES THIS YEAR.
[6.1 Jacksonville Class C Airspace Modification Proposal]
>> THE JACKSONVILLE CLASS C AIRSPACE MODIFICATION PROPOSAL.
THIS IS A TOPIC I WASN'T SURE IF ALL OF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
THIS WILL PROBABLY STAY ON THE AGENDA FOR MOST OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE A REALLY BIG IMPACT ON THE AIRPORT AND THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
BASICALLY, WHAT IT IS IS THE JACKSONVILLE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL CENTER IS PROPOSING THAT THEY EXTEND THEIR CLASS C ALL THE WAY OVER FERNANDINA.
THE IMPACT WE BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE ON US, IT WOULD CREATE A FLOOR OF AIRSPACE OVER FERNANDINA AIRPORT.
>> NOW, DOES THAT ACTUALLY ENCOMPASS THE AIRPORT? DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOESN'T QUITE COME ALL THE WAY HERE.
>> IT GOES WELL PAST FERNANDINA.
A LITTLE CUT OUT LIKE A CLASS B.
>> COMES ALL THE WAY DOWN AROUND 1,200 FEET.
>> TWELVE HUNDRED TO FOUR THOUSAND.
>> THAT COULD HAVE A REALLY BIG IMPACT ON OUR TRAFFIC AT FERNANDINA WITH A 1,200 FOOT FLOOR.
WE BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO COMPRESS TRAFFIC.
OVER OUR AIRSPACE WITH PEOPLE IN THE PATTERN AT 1,000 FEET, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO'S TRYING TO AVOID CLASS C, IT'S GOING TO GET IN THAT SAME AREA.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO BE FLYING DOWN THE ISLAND UNDER 1,000 FEET.
EVERYBODY, THEY HAVE TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE FIRST PART OF THIS IS I'VE BEEN INVITED TO AN AD HOC MEETING, FEBRUARY 28TH AT JACKSONVILLE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE START OF A COMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THIS, THAT'S BEING FACILITATED BY THE FAA.
THEY'VE INVITED SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS.
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THEY'VE ASKED EACH STAKEHOLDER COULD BRING TWO GUESTS, NO MORE THAN TWO GUESTS, BUT DON'T EXPECT TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION AT THIS MEETING.BUT THIS WILL BE THE START OF IT TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS.
BECAUSE IT IS AN FAA PROCESS, IT'S GOING TO BE LENGTHY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS THIS A JIA PROJECT, JACKSONVILLE?
>> I ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION. IT'S FAA.
>> IT'S FAA-DRIVEN AND NOT JACKS-DRIVEN?
>> I SUGGEST WE LEAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA.
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
>> TOM IS GOING THERE, REPRESENT EAA.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD REPRESENTATION.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH THIS, BUT THE FIRST PART WILL BE FOR US TO GO GATHER THIS INFORMATION AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.
THEN WE'LL BE SURE TO KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED ON ALL THE INFORMATION WE GET FROM THEM.
>> FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY CONTROLLERS THERE IS THAT THEY GIVE TCAS TOO MANY RAS BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC IN MAYPORT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, IT'S TCAS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> FOR THE WHOLE PUBLIC, NOT JUST THE PILOTS.
>> IF YOU'RE GIVING THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS SIGNS YOU'RE AN ALTITUDE HEADING AND YOU GET A TCAS ALERT BECAUSE FIRST THING IS TO PAY ATTENTION TO IT, THE NEXT ONE IS RA RESOLUTION.
YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT THE COMPUTER TELLS YOU TO DO.
YOU HAVE TO COME OFF WHAT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER IS GIVING YOU TO KEEP THE COLLISION POINTS BASICALLY SEAMLESS.
THEY SAY, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY ONE OF THE CONTROLLERS OVER THERE, BOB KEMP, WHO SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE MET, THAT'S WHY THIS ALL STARTED BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY, THEY SAY, RAS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT'S OUR NURSERY.
>> THEY PRETTY MUCH CAN TELL THE TRAFFIC IS COMING OFF OF OUR AIRPORT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY THINK THE REMEDY IS.
THEY MAY NOT KNOW IT COULD CAUSE MORE WORK THAN WHAT THEY HAVE NOW.
>> PART OF THE ISSUE IS, YOU GOT A LOT OF THE FLIGHT SCHOOL TRAFFIC THAT'S ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND DOING MANEUVERS THREE AND 4,000 FEET.
THEN THEY'RE BRINGING IN THE AIR TRAFFIC AT 2,000 FEET TO GET ONTO THE INITIAL APPROACH FIX.
TURKEY, THAT'S RIGHT AT THE 10 MILE RING AND IT GOT A CROSSING ALTITUDE OF 2,000 FEET.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE AT 2,000.
>> NO, THEY DON'T. WE'VE TALKED TO QUITE A FEW OF THE AIRLINE PILOTS ALREADY AND SAID, CAN YOU CROSS THAT AT 3,000 FEET AND GET TO THE INITIAL APPROACH FIX AT 1,600? THEY SAID, YEAH, IT'S EASY TO DO. NO PROBLEM.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING ESSENTIALLY IS THEY'RE TAKING THIS RA ISSUE, ONE SAFETY ISSUE, AND THEY'RE JUST TRANSFERRING IT DOWN HERE.
THAT'S ALL THEY'RE DOING. THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU WANT TO TAKE OFF FROM FERNANDINA AND CLIMB OUT AND GET ABOVE.
YOU CAN'T GO DOWN AND YOU CAN'T CLIMB OUT TO GET ABOVE MAYPORT, FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE THEIR AIRSPACE GOES UP TO 2,500 FEET.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO? YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT OVER THE OCEAN, WAY OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST ONE UNSAFE CONDITION SWAPPED FOR ANOTHER, IS WHAT IT IS.
THE RAS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE AIRLINES, THEY GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
OF COURSE THEN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ONCE THEY GET AN RA CALLED IN BY THE AIRLINE, THEY GOT TO DO A BUNCH OF PAPERWORK ON IT.
>> THERE ARE CONTROLLERS THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BOTH. IT'S REPORTABLE, AND IT SHOULD BE A SAFETY REPORT BY THE PILOT AND BY THE CONTROLLER WHEN IT HAPPENS, BUT 10 MILES AND 3,000 FEET IS A NORMAL GLIDE SLOPE FOR THEM.
>> THEY COULD CROSS TURK AT 3,000 FEET AND THEY'LL STILL BE 250 SOMETHING FEET BELOW THE GLIDE SLOPE.
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THEY CAN STILL INTERCEPT THE GLIDE SLOPE. NO PROBLEM.|>> IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO PUT AN INTERMEDIATE ALTITUDE? I DON'T KNOW. DAVE, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY, INTERMEDIATE ALTITUDE TO STAY ABOVE FOR THE AIRLINE TRAFFIC?
>> I SAY SOMETIMES JUST WATCHING THE BIG AIRCRAFT TRAFFIC, A LOT OF PEOPLE GO OVER [INAUDIBLE] STILL AND THEY JUST COME ON DOWN.
OCCASIONALLY, I HAVE SOMEBODY IN WHAT I HEARD A LARGE AIRCRAFT COME DOWN, THEY'RE ALREADY AT A PRETTY LOW ALTITUDE RIGHT DOWN HERE RIGHT OVER FERNANDINA BEACH.
>> [OVERLAPPING] CHECKING OUT REAL ESTATE.
>> YEAH, I GUESS. THERE'S REALLY NO REASON TO BE THAT LOW, THAT FAR OUT BECAUSE YOU'RE DRILLING AROUND.
THEY'RE DOWN AND YOU GOT TO PUSH THE POWER UP, YOU GOT STUFF HANGING OUT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D WANT TO DO THAT ANYWAY.
>> A COUPLE VICTOR AIRWAYS OVER HERE AND THEY OCCASIONALLY HAVE TRAFFIC AT FIVE OR SEVEN.
THEY WANT TO GET THEM UNDERNEATH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY REALLY GOES OVER 5,000 AS FAR AS I CAN REMEMBER FOR A LONG TIME.
[OVERLAPPING] ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT VERY COMMON [OVERLAPPING] UNDERNEATH.
>> THE HISTORY OF THIS, WAS THERE DISCUSSION OF CHANGING CROSSING OUT TUBES ON INSTRUMENT APPROACHES TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM?
>> THAT'S THE QUESTION WE HAVE, IS THEY JUST THREW A EASY FIX FOR THEMSELVES OUT THERE AND JUST HAVEN'T GOT ANY INPUT YET.
HOPEFULLY, THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WE'LL GET TO BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME POSSIBLE ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL LISTEN TO US AND WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE PROCESS.
>> MAYBE ADVISING, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE NOISE ABATEMENT, TO TELEPLATE SCHOOLS PRIMARILY LIKE ATP AND WHATEVER THE ONES ARE THE MOST THAT COME OUT OF CRAIG TO JUST WHERE YOU GUYS THINK IS A SAFE PRACTICE AREA ON THE APPROACH TO 26 MAY NOT BE A GOOD SPOT.
YOU GUYS CAN GO NORTH UP OVER CARL ISLAND.
>> WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR FIRST MEETING, ASK THEM WHAT THEIR NORMAL VECTOR ALTITUDES ARE AT THE DIFFERENT PLACES.
IT'S A RARE DAY THAT I'M EVER THAT FAR OUT THERE.
YOU'RE USUALLY VECTORED IN BETWEEN TURKEY AND THE INITIAL APPROACH FIX THERE OR THE FINAL APPROACH FIX, WHETHER YOU COME FROM THE NORTH OR FROM THE SOUTH.
IT'D BE UNUSUAL FOR ME TO BE THAT FAR OUT UNLESS THERE'S JUST A TON OF TRAFFIC THAT DAY.
>> BUT QUITE HONESTLY, THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THAT MUCH DETAILED DISCUSSION AT THIS FIRST MEETING.
THIS FIRST MEETING MIGHT JUST BE ON ESTABLISHING THE COMMITTEE.
THEY MIGHT NOT DIG INTO ALL THAT YET.
IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY LONG PROCESS.
>> DO YOU EVER FLY THE STAR, LOOMIS COMING IN?
>> THEY USUALLY TAKE YOU OFF OF IT.
>> BUT IF YOU FLY LOOMIS TO THE LAST POINT ON THAT STAR, IT ENDS AT THE 10-MILE CIRCLE AND YOU'RE AT 4,000 FEET AND YOU'RE RIGHT ENTERING CONTROLLED AIRSPACE AT THAT POINT.
WHAT DO YOU NEED THIS EXTENSION FOR FOR THAT? YOU DON'T.
[OVERLAPPING] ALL OF THE OTHER STARS FOR 26, I HAVEN'T PLOTTED AN AMOUNT EXACTLY AS TO WHERE THE LAST FIX IS, BUT THE LAST FIX ON ALL THE OTHER STARS IS 4,000 FEET.
EXPECT RADAR VECTORS AT THAT POINT AND THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ALTITUDE UNTIL THEY TELL YOU.
THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU AT THAT FINAL FIX.
IF THAT FINAL FIX IS AT THAT 10-MILE CIRCLE, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS OVER HERE? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] MORE TO COME.
>> IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF THEY MADE THAT EXTENDED AREA GO FROM 4,000-6,000 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR TRYING TO VECTOR YOU IN AND INTERCEPT INTO TO TURKEY OR WHATEVER, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE MAKING IT SOLO.
>> I WILL SAY THIS, MANY TIMES HAVE I BEEN JUST FLYING AROUND, LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON,
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AND HEARING A LOT OF THE FLIGHT SCHOOL TRAFFIC THERE AT THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND DOING AIR WORK AT 3,000, 4,000 FEET.THEY'RE UP THERE DOING MANEUVERS.
THEN I'VE EVEN HEARD THEM SAY, WE'RE DOING A SIMULATED ENGINE OUT INTO FERNANDINA.
THEY'RE TRAVERSING THAT 3,000 FOOT WHERE THE AIRLINERS COULD BE, AND THE HEAVY JET TRAFFIC CAN BE CROSSING TURKEY AT 3,000 AND GET IN THE 10-MILE RADIUS.
>> WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. THAT'S A PERFECT REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS ADVISORY COMMISSION TO HELP US WITH ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE TO HELP SUBMIT OUR PROPOSALS WHEN WE GET THERE.
>> THE OTHER THING TOO, WHAT WAS MENTIONED TO US IS TO COME UP WITH BUSINESS PROBLEMS. WE GOT TWO JUMP FLIGHT SCHOOLS OUT THERE.
NOW, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO DO? GET CLEARANCE THROUGH CLASS C AIR SPACE TO JUMP SO THESE GUYS CLIMB OUT, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL, APPROACH RIGHT AWAY TO GET CLEARANCE TO CLIMB UP TO 10,000 FEET, AND THEN PROBABLY HAVE TO CALL TO GET CLEARANCE BEFORE THEY CAN RELEASE THE JUMPERS.
IF APPROACH [OVERLAPPING] IS BUSY, WHAT'S THE STANDARD STATEMENT? STATE CLEAR OF CLASS C. HE'S UP THERE 10,000 FEET AND HE'S GOT JUMPERS HE CAN'T PUT OUT.
HE CAN STAY UP THERE FOR A WHILE, THAT AIN'T GOING TO MAKE HIM HAPPY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE BURNING UP A LOT OF GAS.
THERE IS A BUSINESS CONSIDERATION HERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A HERD ON A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES.
BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT THAT FIRST MEETING.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE, LET'S SEE WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE AND TALK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF IT AND GET THAT ALL WORKED OUT FIRST.
>> WELL, I THINK WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT ONE FOR A WHILE.
>> AERONAUTICAL DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. MORE HANGARS.
[6.2 Aeronautical Development Proposal - FHB Aircraft Hangars LLC]
>> WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM FHP AIRCRAFT HANGARS, LLC FOR A PROPOSAL TO BUILD IN HANGARS OVER OFF THE JAMESTOWN ROAD WE HAVE MR. NATHAN COYLE HERE TO GIVE A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
>> GOOD EVENING DAN COYLE, GENERAL MANAGER FOR BENTLEY FLIGHT SERVICES.
HOME ADDRESS IS 32444, PARKWAY FOR NEED TO BEACH SHORT.
THIS EVENING WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR YOU PROPOSING CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE ROW HANGER WITH INDIVIDUAL BLOCKED HANGER UNITS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE AIRPORT ALONG JAMESTOWN ROAD.
AS THIS GROUP KNOWS THAT WE WERE IN FRONT OF YOU NOT LONG AGO, PROPOSING DEVELOPMENT AS A PART OF THE YBOR ALVAREZ REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
THAT IS STILL OUR MAJOR INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIRPORT.
I DON'T WANT TO STEAL THE THUNDER AWAY FROM SAM, BUT IN RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FA, THERE MAY BE A REQUIREMENT TO GO THROUGH A SHORT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT PROCESS TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, AND WE CAN SEE THAT TIMELINE STRETCHING OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE POINT AT WHICH WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY DEVELOP AND GET SOME FOLKS IN SOME HANGARS.
SINCE THAT TIMELINE IS EXTENDING ITSELF, WE THOUGHT WE COULD FIT IN ANOTHER SMALL PROJECT, AND THEN HELP ACCOMMODATE SOME FOLKS IN HANGER SPACE AT THE AIRPORT.
WE'VE PROPOSED A VERY SMALL PROJECT ALONG JAMESTOWN ROAD.
THE SKETCH IS INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION OF SHADE WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS. SINGLE ROAD HANGER.
WE SHOW ON THE IMAGE SIX BOX HANGER UNITS.
WE HAVEN'T STARTED ACTUAL SITE PLAN LAYOUT WITH AN ENGINEER.
ONCE WE GET INTO STORMWATER AND OTHER LAYOFF FACTORS THAT MAY BE REDUCED TO FIVE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE THERE, AND WE'VE SKETCHED OUT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE USE OF THE TAX LANE WHICH IS A DESIGN GROUP ONE TAX LANE LIMITING THE WINGSPAN OF 49 FEET.
IT'S SET WITH A 39 FOOT OBJECT FREE SETBACK FROM THAT TAX LANE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUIREMENT.
WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME FOLKS AND HANGARS AND MOVE FORWARD THE PROJECT.
ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU?
>> IS THAT AREA WITH THE 49 FOOT WINGSPAN AND HAVE BIG AREA? ARE YOU PLANNING THE HANGARS TO BE 50 FOOT BOXES?
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>> PRETTY CLOSE. I THINK WE SHOWED 55 ON THERE, BUT THEN YOU LOSE SOME SPACE TO PUT A DOOR IN THERE.
WHEN WE GET INTO SITE PLAN LAYOUT, WE'LL GET A BETTER DETAIL ON THAT, SO THAT, THAT DESIGN CATEGORY FOR THE TAXI LANE, IF WE USE 39.5 FEET FROM CENTER LINE OF THE TAX WAY AND OTHER TAXI LANE ON EITHER SIDE, CLOSE TO 80 FEET IN TOTAL OVERLAYING THE TAXI LANE, YOU'RE LIMITED TO A WINGSPAN OF 49 FEET OR LESS.
THAT'S PRETTY APPROPRIATE FOR THE TYPE OF HANGER THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THE BOX HANGER UNITS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED ON THE TAXI LANE.
OUR REQUEST OF THE AC THIS EVENING IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING LEASE WITH MR. CARVER AND THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD THE PROCESSING CONSTRUCTION HANGARS.
>> HOW MANY AIRCRAFT DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD TAKE OFF THE LIST ONCE THAT PROJECT IS COMPLETE? OFF THE WIDE LIST?
>> WE SHOW SIX UNITS, SOME OF THOSE UNITS, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DEPEND ON THE SIZE, TYPE OF AIRCRAFT TO GET A TENANT THAT COULD FIT MORE THAN ONE AIRCRAFT IN A UNIT.
SIX AT THE VERY LEAST, BUT POSSIBLY MORE IF SOME OF THOSE FOLKS DOUBLE UP OR DECIDE TO TAKE A PARTNERS OF THOSE HANGARS, 50 FOOT WIDE HANGER.
DEPENDING ON THE DEPTH, IF YOU'RE 50 FEET DEEP, YOU CAN LIKELY FIT TO WELL MATCHED AIRPLANES IN THERE.
>> CAN YOU SERVICE THOSE AIRCRAFT WITH A FUEL TRUCK OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO TAXI ACROSS RUNWAYS?
>> WE CAN SERVICE WITH A FUEL TRUCK THERE.
THAT'S PART OF THE REASON OUR ULTIMATE INTEREST AND EFFICIENCY IS STILL ON THE YBOR ALVAREZ DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
WE FELT LIKE THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT IS SUCH THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A MAJOR HINDRANCE WITH THAT NUMBER OF TENANTS.
THAT PART OF THE AIRPORT I STILL FEEL IS BEST SUITED, AS WE'VE LOOKED AT BEFORE, IT BEST SUITED FOR LARGE CORPORATE BOX ANCHORS.
BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE WELL SUITED WITH THE TAXI LANE IN EXISTENCE AND ANOTHER HANGER WITH THE SAME TYPE SIZE OF AIRCRAFT TO FIT A SMALL PROJECT IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK THE VOLUME OF THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE SUCH THAT WE HAVE A MAJOR DISRUPTION WITH TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH.
>> YOU USE THAT TAXIWAY THAT'S OVER THERE WHERE THE JETS APART RIGHT NOW?
>> YES THERE'S TWO HANGARS THAT EXIST UNDER THE SOVEREIGN CORPORATION LEASE.
THERE'S A HANGER THAT OPENS UP DIRECTLY ON THE TAXIWAY BRAVO WITH THE APRON SPACE IN FRONT OF IT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER SMALLER HANGAR RIGHT BEHIND THAT AND THEIR ACCESS IS ON THAT TAX CEILING THAT GOES TO THE NORTH OF THE SOVEREIGN BOX HANGER. YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE.
>> WE WOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TAXI LANE THAT EXISTS.
I BELIEVE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT TAXIWAY WAS BUILT AS A PART OF THAT PROJECT.
IT'S NOT CONTAINED IN THE LEASE, UNDER THE SOVEREIGN LEASE, SO IT'S PUBLIC USE TAXIWAY.
YOU CAN CONSTRUCT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND STILL USE THAT TAXIWAY.
>> WHEN YOU SAY TENANTS, IS THIS OWNED BY THE AIRPORT, THE BUILDINGS OR?
>> THEY'RE BUILD BY THE FBO AND LEASED TO TENANTS?
>> LEAST A TENANTS. DO THE TENANTS ALL COME OFF THE LIST OR DO WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING INTO THESE HANGARS THAT COULDN'T TAKE ANYBODY OFF THE LIST?
>> I ANTICIPATE FOLKS WILL BE COMING OFF THE LIST, AND WE HAVE A LIST OF FOLKS WHO ARE WAITING IN HANGER SPACE.
WE ALSO HAVE THE CITY'S HANGER WAITING LIST AS WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING AND CONTACTING THOSE FOLKS AS PART OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S GOING TO PULL FROM THE EXISTING DEMAND OF THE AIRPORT.
WHICH WE FEEL LIKE PLENTY OF DEMAND HERE, FOR AIRCRAFT FROM THOSE LISTS INTO HANGARS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WAIVED FROM SPACE.
>> WASN'T THERE A CATCH POND OUT IN THAT AREA SOMEWHERE?
>> THERE'S A RETENTION POND TO THE NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THAT PARCEL ITSELF IS A FAIRLY LARGE PARCEL.
THERE'S A POND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ONE PARCEL WE'RE SHOWING ON THE IMAGE.
A LITTLE HISTORY ABOUT JAMESTOWN ROAD.
PASTOR WAS IN THE ROOM WITH US AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE DESIGN ENGINEERING TEAM THAT BUILT JAMESTOWN ROAD.
THE RETENTION PONDS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED OUT THERE, THE ROAD ITSELF WAS BUILT WITH UTILITIES EXTENDED ALONG THE ROAD.
THOSE RETENTION PONDS WERE DESIGNED WITH CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE AVIATION DEVELOPMENT PARCELS.
PONDS ARE ALREADY BUILT TO HANDLE THE CAPACITY OF STOLEN WATER FLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT ROAD.
>> THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS DEVELOPMENT AT ALL?
>> WOULD NOT. MATTER OF FACT, THE ROAD WAS BUILT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA SO IT'S READY TO GO.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT ANY SECURITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE AIRPLANES SO THEY CAN COME AND GO AND GET ACCESS.
>> GREAT QUESTION. ON JAMESTOWN ROAD, I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC AND IF YOU DON'T FIND THEMSELVES ON JAMESTOWN ROAD.
THERE IS A FENCE LINE THAT EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY LINE THERE AND THERE'S A VEHICLE GATE MUCH LIKE THE OTHER GATES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AIRPORT WITH A PIN CODE TO ACCESS.
IT'S ALREADY INSIDE THE AIRPORTS PERIMETER FENCE AND AND SECURED.
THEY'D ACCESS MUCH LIKE OUR TENANTS TO ON THE NORTH SIDE TO COME TO THE GATE.
>> NOTHING WE HAVE TO DO IN THAT REGARD?
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>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT, IT FOLLOWS OUR MASTER PLAN.
IT MAKES REALLY GOOD LOGICAL SENSE FOR THIS TO BE THAT TYPE OF HANGER DEVELOPMENT THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD ALSO PROBABLY STIMULATE SOME OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS NEXT TO IT, SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PROCEED WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT BY AHBA AIRCRAFT HANGARS.
>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR?
>> IT APPEARS THAT MOTION CARRIES.
AIRPORT DIRECTOR AND STAFF REPORTS.
[7. AIRPORT DIRECTOR AND STAFF REPORTS]
>> I'LL START OUT WITH OUR, WE HAVE A FULL YEAR OPERATION NUMBERS I CAN SHARE WITH YOU NOW FOR THE YEAR 2023.
THIS YEAR WE HAVE 57,150 OPERATIONS.
COMPARE THAT TO 2022, THERE WAS 47,160 OPERATIONS.
WE DID ABOUT 10,000 MORE OPERATIONS IN '23 THAN '22.
THE NEXT UPDATE IS THE YBOR ALVAREZ SOCCER FIELD.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT NOW.
AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION OF THE FAA FOR THE LAND RELEASE.
PART OF THAT PROCESS, FAA REACHED OUT TO US AND LET US KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO OTHER FEDERAL GRANTS TIED TO THAT PROPERTY THAT GO BACK TO THE '80S, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE WORK ON OUR PART TO SATISFY THOSE OTHER FEDERAL GRANTS.
WE'VE HAD MORE DISCUSSIONS AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS PUTTING A LETTER TOGETHER TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THOSE GRANTS, NOT THE FAA.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET AN ANSWER FROM THEM, THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO SATISFY THEIR GRANT OBLIGATIONS.
ONCE WE GET THAT, THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO THE FAA AND SAY THEY'RE SATISFIED, LET'S KEEP MOVING FORWARD THE WAY WE WERE BECAUSE THE WAY WE WERE MOVING BEFORE, THE FAA WAS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
BUT NOW WITH THIS NEW GRANT PROCESS, THEY'RE TELLING US IT WOULD MOST LIKELY REQUIRE A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, AND A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY A MINIMUM OF 18 MONTHS.
THAT WAS THE LATEST, BUT WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOOD CASE TO MAKE IF WE DO OUR RESEARCH, AND CLEAR THESE OTHER GRANTS UP FIRST AND THEN GO BACK TO FAA AND MAYBE REDUCE IT BACK DOWN TO A NINE MONTH CATEX TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
NOT GREAT NEWS, BUT IT'S STILL A VERY DOABLE PROJECT.
IT'S JUST MORE HURDLES TO GO THROUGH.
>> THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IN THE FAA'S RESEARCH FOR ANY PREVIOUS FEDERAL GRANTS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH THESE.
>> WE KNEW ABOUT THESE OTHER GRANTS AND WE THOUGHT THEY DID TOO, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING UNIQUE EVEN FOR THEM.
ONCE THEY DISCOVERED IT, IT MADE THEM MORE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE THEN IT CAN BE CONSIDERED TAKING OF THE LAND WITH FEDERAL OBLIGATIONS.
THAT MAKES THEM NERVOUS SO THEY DO MAKE YOU GO THROUGH EVERY HOOP.
>> THESE GRANTS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN GRANTED, THEY'VE BEEN GRANTED, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ACTED UPON?
>> NO. THE CITY RECEIVED THESE GRANTS BACK IN THE '80S, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHAT WERE THE GRANTS FOR? [OVERLAPPING].
>> HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT THE GRANTS.
>> CHIP ROSS, 210 NORTH THIRD STREET, AND I'M THE ONE WHO FOUND THE GRANTS, SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT.
[NOISE] I DON'T REMEMBER THE YEARS AND I'VE LOOKED AT LOTS OF STUFF SINCE.
BUT THE CITY GOT ABOUT A $26,000 GRANT TO DO THE SOFTBALL FIELDS THAT WERE THERE, AND ABOUT $100,000 GRANT TO DO YBOR ALVAREZ, THE SOCCER FIELD, AND THESE WERE LONG TIME AGO.
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WE'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE THE MONEY BACK OR DO ANYTHING ELSE.THEY BASICALLY SAID IF YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE THIS, YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, AND WE'RE DOING ALL THAT.
THESE WERE GRANTS THAT WERE GIVEN, AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY STATE GRANTS.
I THINK, I'VE JUST BEEN TOLD THAT THEY WERE WITH FEDERAL MONEY, SO I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT WAS FROM I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT, IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS.
>> THE ADMINISTRATOR OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> ANYHOW, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM IN THE PAST, IF WE'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR ABOUT WELL OVER A YEAR.
ONE WAS FOR THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, THE OTHER ONE WAS FOR THE SOCCER FIELDS.
>> THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THE USE OF THE WORD ENVIRONMENTAL, PEOPLE COULD TAKE IT TO CONSTRUE TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S A LIKE THE NAVY LEFT SOME OIL IN THE GROUND.
>> IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
>> WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT DOING A 18 MONTH ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY THAT ALSO RAISES YOU LIKE, WHAT WAS THERE? IT'S ONLY VIA HOW THE MONEY THAT TRICKLED DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE STATE WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH BY THE STATE, WHOEVER THAT HAS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL NAME.
>> THERE WAS NO ENVIRONMENTAL.
THEY WERE ALL RECREATIONAL GRANTS.
>> WERE THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES THAT HAD TO BE DONE TO HAVE THOSE GRANTS AND DEVELOP THOSE FIELDS?
>> NO. THAT'S TO THE BEST OF MY RECOLLECTION.
[LAUGHTER] THE CITY SAID THANK YOU FOR THE MONEY.
IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED AT SO MANY OF THESE THINGS BACK IN THE '80S AND THEY GOT BURIED AND EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT IT.
THE SAME THING IS OUT AT SEASIDE PARK, IT'S AT BRETT'S AND ALL THESE PLACES, THEY ALL HAVE STUFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? THERE WERE RECREATIONAL GRANTS TO BUILD THOSE FIELDS AND THIS CITY MATCHED THEM, AND THEY HAD SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT IF YOU WERE GOING TO VACATE THE PLAYING FIELDS, YOU HAD TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WHICH THE CITY'S DOING. IT SUCKS.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT? ANY GOOD NEWS?
>> YEAH, LOOKS LIKE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE WE'LL BE DEALING WITH FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
>> THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS BETTER TO KNOW THAT NOW STARTING OUT THAN YOU START PUTTING SHOVELS IN THE GROUND THEN GO, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON?
>> OKAY. NEXT, I WAS GOING TO MENTION THAT WE HAD A AIRPORT INSPECTION YESTERDAY FROM PORT DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OUR ANNUAL INSPECTION THAT GIVES US OUR CERTIFICATION TO OPERATE AS AN AIRPORT, AND HAPPY TO SAY, WE PASSED.
THANKS TO BOBBY HERE WE HAVE A VERY GOOD REMARK FROM THE INSPECTOR.
FIRE STATION, THE ONLY REASON I'M MENTIONING THAT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN IT'S GOING TO OPEN, BUT WE ARE TALKING TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION NOW ABOUT PUTTING AN R VEHICLE IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO BE ON AN AIRPORT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT GETTING THAT NEXT YEAR.
NOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GRANT, BUT WE DID ACTUALLY RECEIVE OUR JOHN DEERE TRACTOR BUSH HOG AND ZERO-TURN OUR ON PROPERTY.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO ACTUALLY GET THEM ON PROPERTY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE WITH INVENTORY NOWADAYS.
SOMETIMES YOU MISS A WINDOW AND YOU GOT TO WAIT 10 MONTHS TO GET ANOTHER ONE.
WE WILL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AIRFIELD THIS SUMMER.
AS FAR AS EVENTS, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE AMELIA COMING UP AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
FOR US, IT BEGINS FEBRUARY 27TH THROUGH MARCH 4TH.
LOOKING FORWARD TO EXPERIENCING MY FIRST AMELIA, BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO BE READY THEM.
ANOTHER EVENT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS ONE.
IT'S CALLED RUN THE RUNWAY 5K.
>> I THINK WE DID THAT LAST YEAR TOO.
>> YEAH. IT'S THE SAME GROUP, 501.
ALL THE MONEY GOES TOWARDS STEM EDUCATION.
IT'S A GOOD CAUSE WE'RE SUPPORTING THAT.
NOW WE ARE PLANNING A NEW EVENT CALLED WHEELS AND WINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING AUGUST 17TH THIS YEAR.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HOT, BUT THAT ALSO COINCIDES WITH NATIONAL AVIATION DAY.
WE THOUGHT THAT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO PUT THE SPOTLIGHT ON THE AIRPORT.
THERE'S A ORGANIZATION, AMELIA CRUIZERS, A CAR.
SURE AND THEY WANT TO DO A REALLY BIG SHOW, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAKING OUR RAMP AVAILABLE TO INVITE THEM OUT,
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HAVE STATIC AIRCRAFT, FOOD TRUCKS, DIFFERENT AVIATION TYPE THINGS FOR THE KIDS.I THINK IT COULD TURN INTO A REALLY GOOD ANNUAL EVENT FOR US, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FIT TO ME, WHEELS AND WINGS.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE DO HERE ON THE ISLAND.
IT'LL JUST BE HOT. [LAUGHTER].
>> YEAH. BUT I THINK IT COULD TURN INTO A REALLY GOOD EVENT.
ALL THAT I THINK I ALREADY MENTIONED THE THREE MAIN PROJECTS WE HAVE THIS YEAR, BUT THE TIME LINE FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING TO GO OUT FOR BID IN MARCH.
THE HANGER B PAVEMENT REHAB, WE SHOULD BE GOING OUT FOR BID AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND TAXIWAY ALPHA REHAB, WE'RE LOOKING AT APRIL TO GO OUT FOR BID.
THAT'S THREE PRETTY BIG PROJECTS WE HAVE COMING UP THIS YEAR.
THAT'S ALL I GOT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?
>> THANK YOU, SAM. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION MEMBERS?
[8. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS/COMMENTS]
ROGERS, ANYTHING?>> JUST A QUESTION AND NATE BRIAN CAN TRY ANSWER.
THE HANGER, YOU GUYS BUILT OVER THERE BY HANGER B IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UP AND RUNNING.
>> [OVERLAPPING] MOST OF THEM.
>> IT'S A GOOD LOOKING HANGER.
>> QUICKER THAN A FIRESTONE. [LAUGHTER]
>> WAY QUICKER THAN FIRESTONE.
>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT? NEXT MEETING DATE WILL BE?
[10. NEXT MEETING DATE]
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TONIGHT.
NOW, WE'LL ADJOURN THIS MEETING.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.