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TO ORDER. WE START WITH THE ROLE.
>> PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> ÊI PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.Î
THE INVOCATION. >> WE COME TO GIVE THANKS AND WE SO YOU GO FOR THIS DA AND FOR OUR CITY AND FOR THOSE THAT LEAD US. THANK YOU FOR THE PROGRESS ON THE SUCCESS THAT WE HAVE HAD WE PRAY FOR THIS COMMISSION SESSION AND THAT YOU WILL GUIDE US. IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.
[4.1 PRESENTATION - NASSAU HUMANE SOCIETY - Nassau Humane Society Executive Director Dionna Sowers will present the "City Commission Dog of the Month."]
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU MAY BE SEATED. WE ARE STARTING WITH THE DOG OF THE MONTH. FROM THE BACK. IT IS A BIG DAY FOR THE DOG OF THE MONTH.
>> OH MY! >> THIS IS A HAPPY DOG.
>> YES ! SAY HELLO EVERYBODY. HE IS IN NEED OF A FOREVER HOME OR A FOSTER HOME BECAUSE HE IS ONE GOING ON 70 BECAUSE HE NEEDS HIP REPLACEMENT. IT POPS OUT AND THEN POPS BACK IN BUT RATHER THAN DOING THAT TO HIM AND THE OWNER, WE WILL JUST TAKE CARE OF IT. HE JUST NEEDS TO REST AND RECOVER AND GO FROM
THERE. >> CAN SOMEONE ADOPT DOUGLAS? HOW DO YOU DO THAT ? SAYS
>> YOU CAN COME SEE US AT 11:00 A.M. OUR WEBSITE IS -- AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE DOGS AND CATS AND YOU
CAN SEE THEM IN PERSON. >> AND IF COMMISSIONER ROSS WANTS TO ADOPT HIM TONIGHT, CAN HE CAN DO THAT? SAYS
>> WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN JUST FOR COMMISSIONER ROSS.
[4.2 PRESENTATION - POLICE DEPARTMENT - Chief Tambasco will swear in newly hired Police Officer Robert Dickson. ]
>> I AM NOT SURPRISED BUT THANK YOU. YOU COULD TAKE HIM FOR
OVERNIGHT IF YOU WANT TO. >> THANK YOU SOMA.
>> AS SHE MAKES HER WAY OUT WE ARE SWEARING IN A BRAND-NEW POLICE OFFICER SO WE WELCOME THE CHIEF TO THE PODIUM.
>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS I AM EXCITED TO STAND BEFORE YOU TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST POLICE OFFICER ROBERT DIXON. HE WAS BORN IN FORT LAUDERDALE AND GREW UP IN FORT MYERS. HE SHARED WITH THE COAST GUARD FOR SIX YEARS. HE ATTENDED THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE -- AND WAS QUICKLY PROMOTED. HE GRADUATED IMMEDIATELY JOIN OUR FAMILY HERE AT THE FB PD. THEY HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS, PEYTON, KENNEDY, AND MABEL AND THEY ARE ALL THERE SPELLED DIFFERENTLY. AND THAT IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE MOUTH OF ROBERT.
>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> I, STATE YOUR NAME. >> I ROBERT DIXON, CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, CITIZEN OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, DO HEREBY SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO SUPPORT, PROTECT, AND DEFEND, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE CHARTER OF THE CITY AGAINST ALL ENEMIES , FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. I WILL
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BEAR TRUE FAITH, LOYALTY, AND ALLEGIANCE. I WILL FAITHFULLY PERFORM THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH POLICE DEPARTMENT UPON WHICH I HAVE>> THERE YOU GO. >> ALL RIGHT. THERE YOU GO.
>> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.
[4.3 PRESENTATION - "FERNANDINA 200" - In commemoration of Fernandina Beach's 200th Anniversary, Lighthouse Keeper Thomas Patrick O'Hagan will provide a presentation at the first City Commission Regular Meeting of each month in the year 2024.]
>> ALL RIGHT. AS EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS THE 200TH YEAR SO TO CONTINUE OUR CELEBRATION OF THE 200TH YEAR, WE INVITE ONCE AGAIN THE LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER, THOMAS PATRICK O'HAGAN. AND YOU HAVE NO LIMIT THIS TIME. JUST SO YOU KNOW.
>> I BROUGHT MY OWN WATCH TO DO THIS TODAY. GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR, VICE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. AND THE CITIZENS OF FERNANDINA. I WAS HERE LAST MONTH AND I AM THE PRINCIPAL LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER. I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO COME EACH MONTH. YOU HEAR THAT. EACH MONTH TO HELP TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENTS AS WE CELEBRATE THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY. EVENT STARTED LAST MONTH AND WILL GO THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE WILL FINISH OFF WITH A CITY PARTY IN JANUARY 2025. I AM PROUD OF THE WAY THAT THE CITY HAS MAINTAINED OUR LOVE IT AND THE HISTORY OF THE LIGHTHOUSE AND AS THE OLDEST DOCUMENTED STRUCTURE, STANDING 67 FEET.
THE LIGHTHOUSE IS AT THE HIGHEST POINT OF FERNANDINA.
IT HAS OPERATED SINCE 1839. I RECOMMEND YOU SPEND SOME TIME AT THE LIGHTHOUSE. IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. OF COURSE, MOST FOLKS CANNOT SEE ME BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN A GHOST SINCE MY DEATH IN 1944. I WILL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE THINGS COMING UP AS WE CELEBRATE OUR 200TH ANNIVERSARY. SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 10 THROUGH SATURDAY, APRIL 6, AT THE LIBRARY, THE FLAGS OF FERNANDINA IN QUILTS. THE QUILT GUILD ARE PLEASED TO COLLABORATE ON A PROGRAM , THE FABULOUS SET FLAGS OF FERNANDINA. IT IS A MULTISENSORY WAY TO APPROACH OUR HISTORY. AND THEN WE HAVE AN ALL DAY PUBLIC LIBRARY EVENT. IT NEEDLEPOINT AT 101 AT THE FERNANDINA LIBRARY WHERE YOU WILL LEARN BASIC NEEDLEPOINT TECHNIQUES WHERE YOU CAN CREATE A BEACH THEME BOOKMARK. ALL MATERIALS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SCISSORS. BRING YOUR OWN SHARP INSTRUMENT . AND FINALLY, THE AMELIA ISLAND BOOK FESTIVAL EXTRAVAGANZA. FANS ARE INVITED TO THE EXPO WHERE THEY WILL ENGAGE IN WAYS TO LEARN ABOUT THE WORK AND ON MARCH 14 FROM 5 PM UNTIL 7 PM, THE WOMEN'S CLUB THE FIGHT FOR SUFFRAGE. AT THIS EVENT PEGGY MCDONALD WILL PROVIDE HISTORY OF THE MOST PROMINENT SUFFRAGE IS ALONG WITH THE STRATEGY TO SECURE THE RIGHT TO VOTE FOR WOMEN. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH BETWEEN NOW AND THE
[4.4 PROCLAMATION - "CHRISTINA "CHRIS" BRYAN" - Honoring the life of Ms. Christina "Chris" Bryan for dedicated and exemplary civic service. Bryan family members will be in attendance to accept. ]
>>> WE HAVE SOME PROCLAMATIONS NOW. I WILL START BY INVITING
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THE FAMILY OF CHRIS BRIAN TO COME TO THE STAGE.>> HE WAS A VALUED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE HER CONTRIBUTION TO HURT TOWN WITH THIS PROCLAMATION SO YOU, FOR BEING HERE. THE PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS SAID CHRISTINA "CHRIS" BRYAN WAS BORN SEPTEMBER 18, 1945 AT THE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. SHE GRADUATED AND ATTENDED THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WHERE SHE RECEIVED A BACHELORS DEGREE IN ELEMENTARY EDUCATION. WHEREAS, CHRIS MET THE LOVE OF HER LIFE, WILLIAM AND THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THEY MARRIED AND WELCOMED BELOVED DAUGHTERS VIRGINIA, JENNY, AND AMY.
WHEREAS CHRIS BRYAN WORKED FOR THE FAMILY BUSINESSES. OVER THE YEARS SHE WAS AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF OWNING AND OPERATING -- WHERE IS CHRIS WAS A FORMIDABLE FORCE. SHE BELIEVED IN HER COUNTY AND THE HOSPITAL. SHE DEDICATED COUNTLESS HOURS TO FOUNDATIONS THAT SERVED THE GREATER GOOD.
-- WAS THE HEALTH, WELLNESS, AND EDUCATION OF THE COMMUNITY.
SHE WAS A MEMBER OF THE MCCARTHY FAMILY AND SHE SERVED ON THE BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND WAS A CHAIRPERSON FOR THREE YEARS. SHE WAS ABOUT JUST HEALTH COMMITTEE MEMBER AND WAS MOST RECENTLY INVOLVED WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY -- ON AGING AND CHRIS WAS WAS A STEADFAST -- AND SHE TOOK THE ROLE SERIOUSLY BY SERVING ON THE FLORIDA GATORS BOOSTERS. SHE BECAME THE THIRD RESIDENT AND WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE GATORS. WHEREAS, THIS IS A BETTER PLACE DUE TO HER SPIRIT AND CAN INFLUENCE. HER LEGACY HELP SHAPE OUR COMMUNITY. THEREFORE I, BY THE VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY INVESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR TO HEAR BY PAY HOMAGE TO MS. CHRISTINA "CHRIS" BRYAN AND RESOLVE THAT -- WILL GO TO THE HER FAMILY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU JUST TOLD THAT WE WILL TAKE A QUICK PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> AND HER DAUGHTER AMY IS
GOING TO SAY A FEW WORDS. >> ON BEHALF OF THE FAMILY WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE MAYOR AND THE CITY FOR THIS PROCLAMATION TO HONOR MY MOM. WE APPRECIATE THE WORDS AND KIND WORDS SENT OUR WAY. MY MOM WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE AND LOVE THIS COMMUNITY SO MUCH. SHE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS. SHE BELIEVED THAT IF IT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, HOW CAN IT BE WRONG? SHE WILL BE MESS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THINK SHE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK DOWN ON US ALL AND SHE KNOWS THAT WE ARE SOME IN THE COMMUNITY THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND TO IMPROVE THIS LITTLE TOWN THAT WE CALL HOME. THANK YOU FOR THIS HONOR.
[4.5 PROCLAMATION - "AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH" - Proclaims the month of February 2024 "African American History Month" in recognition of the importance of African American contributions in the history of the United States. Vice Mayor Patricia Thompson and Elm Street Sportsmen Association representatives will be in attendance to accept. ]
>>> UP NEXT, WE WELCOME THE ELM STREET SPORTSMAN ASSOCIATION DOWN HERE AND WE ARE RECOGNIZING AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH. WE APPRECIATE YOU.
>> IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU REVEREND THOMPSON. THE PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1926 BY DOCTOR CARTER WHO SOUGHT TO BRING NATIONAL ATTENTION TO THE IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS AFRICAN-AMERICANS MADE TO THE UNITED STATES. HE CHOSE FEBRUARY BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THE BIRTHDATES OF MULTIPLE ABOLITIONISTS. WHEREAS, FROM THE REVOLUTION HE WHERE THROUGH THE ABOLITIONIST MOVEMENT TO MARCHES ACROSS AMERICA AFRICAN-AMERICANS AGREED THAT WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL. WE REJOICE -- IN THE IDEA OF A JUST AND FAIR AMERICA THROUGHOUT HISTORY OUR SUCCESS HAS BEEN DRIVEN BY INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WILLING TO SPEAK AND CHAINS -- AND OTHER FEDERAL AND STATE -- SHAPE THE
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ECONOMIC STRENGTH, EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS -- JUST TO NAME A FEW AND OVER THE PAST 90 YEARS AMERICANS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE HUMBLY RECOGNIZE AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH IN RECOGNITION OF THE DISTINCT AND -- THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY. SO THEREFORE, I BRADLEY BEAN AS THE MAYOR DECLARED THIS AMERICAN AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH. BRIDGING THE GAP AND CONNECTING GENERATION TO GENERATION. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.>> THANK YOU. >> LET'S DO ONE MORE.
>> TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSIONERS IT IS A GREAT HONOR TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION. WE ARE PROUD OF OUR HERITAGE. YOU, VERY MUCH.
[4.6 PROCLAMATION - "NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL ON AGING - 50TH ANNIVERSARY" - Recognizing the Nassau County Council on Aging's 50th Anniversary of providing premier seniorfocused programs and services. Nassau County Council on Aging President and CEO Janice Acrum will be in attendance to accept.]
>> THANK YOU. >> LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WELCOME THE COUNCIL ON AGING. THIS IS THEIR 50TH BIRTHDAY.
COME ON DOWN. JANICE, EVERYONE, WHEREAS, THE COUNCIL ON AGING WAS FOUNDED IN 1974. -- BY ASSISTING WITH MULTIPLE ISSUES. COMMUNITY LEADERS RALLIED IN SUPPORT OF THE ORGANIZATION OF A NASA COUNTY COMMISSIONER, EDGAR LINDSEY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN RECRUITING PEOPLE. UP BUDDY JENKINS PROVIDED PRO BONO SERVICES AS PAYMENT HE RECEIVED HOMEMADE LEMON MERINGUE PIES ON A REGULAR BASIS. WHEREAS MR. GRADY WAS ELECTED TO THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF -- WHERE HE SUCCESSFULLY OBTAINED FUNDING TO CONSTRUCT THE FIRST EVER -- THE STRUCTURE RELATED NEAR -- WAS HOME TO THE COUNCIL ON AGING FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS. THEY OCCUPY A SPRAWLING SPACE.
LOCATED AT 1901 ISLAND WAY. THE COUNCIL ON AGING IS CELEBRATING FIVE DECADES OF PROVIDING SENIOR FOCUS, PROGRAMS AND --. THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE WELL DESERVED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF JANICE -- AND THEY HAD BEEN AWARDED THE BANK OF AMERICA NEIGHBORHOOD BUILDERS OF NORTHEAST BECOMING THE FIRST NASSAU COUNTY NONPROFIT TO RECEIVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PHILANTHROPIC HONOR. THE COUNCIL OF AGING HAS BEEN NAMED THE NON-PROFIT OF THE YEAR AND -- SERVICE AWARD. WHERE IS FROM 2002 THROUGH 2023 THE COUNCIL ON AGING RECEIVED APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE SENIOR LIFE CENTER FOR THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS. CREATE OUTDOOR SPACES, COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, MEALS ON WHEELS OVER TRUCKS, AND WHEREAS, THE NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL ON AGING REACHED ALL PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY. THAT INCLUDES MEALS ON WHEELS CALM MEALS ON WHEELS FOR PET, -- WITH COGNITIVE DEFICITS AND HOME REPAIR. NEARLY 300 BENEVOLENT VOLUNTEERS PROVIDE OVER 10,000 HOURS. WITH AN ESTIMATED VALUE IN $300,000.
PLEASE CONGRATULATE THE MEMBERS OF --.
>> YOU CONTINUE TO MEET AND EXCEED THE NEEDS OF SENIORS.
DESPITE EVER PRESENT FUNDING SHORTAGES, YOU CONTINUED TO
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PROVIDE STATE, LOCAL, AND CITY GRANTS. THE AGENCY IS PROUD THAT THE PARTNERSHIPS AND SUPPORT OF -- WHERE IS THE SENIOR POPULATION HAS GROWN AS BABY BOOMERS REACH OVER 60 BUT THE COUNCIL ON AGING, THEIR MISSION IS STEADFAST TO ENHANCE THE LIVES OF ADULTS THROUGH SERVICE AND ADULTS TO IMPROVE HEALTH AND ECONOMIC SECURITY. WITH KEEN MISSION MINDED , THE COUNCIL ON AGING LOOKS FORWARD TO THE NEXT 40 YEARS. BY THE NATURE OR BY THE VIRTUE AND AUTHORITY INVESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY I HEREBY WISH THE COUNCIL ON AGING A HAPPY 50TH ANNIVERSARY.EARLIER AND IT IS BACK TO BACK PETERSONS. THEY ARE BROTHER AND SISTER IN CASE YOU DID NOT KNOW.
>> THANK YOU MAYOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL ON AGING AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND OUR STAFF, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING OUR TIME IN THE BUSINESS. WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE IN NASSAU COUNTY AND WE ARE GRATEFUL THAT WE CAN HELP SENIORS LIVE HAPPY AND HEALTHY LIVES. THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH AND WE HOPE FOR MANY MORE YEARS TO COME. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO OUR GALA. EVERYBODY WAS SO HELPFUL SO THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING US. WE LOVE WHAT WE DO AND THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT.
>> WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. WITH ANYONE LIKE TO PULL
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS . THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE THINK WILL GO
[5.1 MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT - FLORIDA ARMY NATIONAL GUARD - RESOLUTION 2024-16 APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT FOR THE 2-111TH REGIMENT, AIRFIELD OPERATIONS BATTALION, FLORIDA ARMY NATIONAL GUARD TO PROVIDE LOCAL TEMPORARY TOWER AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SERVICES AT THE FERNANDINA BEACH MUNICIPAL AIRPORT DURING "THE AMELIA" AUTO EVENT; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the Memorandum of Agreement for the 2-111th Regiment, Airfield Operations Battalion, Florida Army National Guard to provide local temporary air traffic control services at the Fernandina Beach Municipal Airport during "The Amelia" Auto Event February 27, 2024 through March 4, 2024.]
5-0 BUT IF SOMEONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH AN ITEM WE CAN PULL THAT OFF AT ANY TIME. COMMISSIONER ROSS? WHAT WOULDYOU LIKE TO PULL OFF? >> BOTH.
>> THERE IS NO CONSENT AGENDA. WE ARE LOOKING AT CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 5.1. MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA ARMY
NATIONAL GUARD. >> WE HAVE AN ANNUAL EVENT, A CAR SHOW AT THE AIRPORT. THE FLORIDA ARMY NATIONAL GUARD COMES OUT AND HELPS MANAGE THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE VISITORS BRING THEIR VEHICLES, THEY FLY THEM IN AND THE AIRPORT IS SLAMMED WITH -- SO THE ARMY NATIONAL GUARD COMES OUT AND HOPES TO THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND THIS IS A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT AND UNDERSTANDING WITH THE AIRPORT AND THE NATIONAL GUARD TO HELP US GET
THROUGH THIS PROCESS. >> THAT IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. ARE THE QUESTIONS?
>> SO THIS DOES NOT COST THE CITY ANYTHING?
>> CORRECT. >> THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY
IS? >> CONTROLLING AIR TRAFFIC
ABOVE THE AIRPORT. >> THE ONE QUESTION I GET ASKED EVERY YEAR, DOES THIS MEAN THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT BRINGING IN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER TO THE CITY?
>> IF NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING ON, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
[5.2 FACILITIES USE AGREEMENT - HAGERTY EVENTS, LLC - RESOLUTION 2024-17 APPROVING A FACILITIES USE AGREEMENT WITH HAGERTY EVENTS, LLC, FOR THE USE OF AIRPORT PROPERTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH “THE AMELIA” AUTO EVENT FEBRUARY 29, 2024 THROUGH MARCH 3, 2024; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves a Facilities Use Agreement with Hagerty Events, LLC, for vehicle parking on multiple locations of the Fernandina Beach Municipal Airport in support of "The Amelia" auto event to be held February 29, 2024, through March 3, 2024. ]
>> HAGGERTY EVENTS CENTER AT THE AIRPORT TO RESTORE VEHICLES, TAXIWAYS, AND -- AT THE AIRPORT DURING THIS TIME
PERIOD. >> ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER
ROSS. >> OWNERSHIP HAS RECENTLY CHANGED I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY CHANGE . THESE ARE NEW HONORS. BEFORE IT WAS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT RAN IT AND NOW IT IS SAFE FOR PROFIT. IS
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THERE ANY IMPLICATION FOR THE CITY?>> WE RECOGNIZE THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR.
>> I AM SAM HAGGERTY DOES THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THE SAME PLAYERS FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. IT SHOULD RUN JUST AS SMOOTHLY AS IT HAS IN THE
PAST. >> WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS DO
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND A DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
>> AS WE GO THROUGH THE RESOLUTIONS, WE ENCOURAGE UNWELCOME PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUESTS TO SPEAK. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINION. PLEASE FILL OUT A FORM. WE WILL GET STARTED WITH
[6.1 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - WEATHERPROOFING TECHNOLOGIES, INC. - RESOLUTION 2024-18 APPROVING WEATHERPROOFING TECHNOLOGIES, INC, A SUBSIDIARY OF TREMCO INC, TO PERFORM ROOF RESTORATION ON WATER PLANT #1 IN THE AMOUNT OF $131,060.50 VIA COOPERATIVE PURCHASE; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the proposal from Weatherproofing Technologies, Inc. for restoring the roof of Water Plant #1 in the amount of $131,060.50.]
6.1. A PROPOSAL AND APPROVAL WITH WEATHERPROOFING TOALLERGIES. >> THIS IS PHASE 2 OF A ROOF RESTORATION PROJECT FOR OUR WATER PLANT AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. OF FUNDING IS AVAILABLE. PHASE 1 WAS COMPLETED LAST YEAR AND THIS WILL COMPLETE THE PROJECT THIS
>> WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM? SUSPECT THE UTILITY FUND.
>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A
MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, CLERK, CALLED THE ROLE.
[6.2 CITY COMMISSION FISCAL YEAR 2024/2025 GOALS - RESOLUTION 2024-19 ADOPTING THE CITY COMMISSION’S FISCAL YEAR 2024/2025 GOAL; PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Adopts the City Commission Goals and staff areas of focus in 2024/2025. ]
>> CITY COMMISSION FISCAL YEAR 2024-2025 GOALS.
>> THIS IS CONCERNING THE SESSION THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE WE LOOK AT PROJECTS AND MISSIONS THROUGHOUT THE NEXT COMING YEAR. THIS WILL ADOPT THE COMMISSION DECISIONS MADE THROUGH THAT MEETING SO WE CAN START FOCUSING ON IMPLEMENTING THAT PROGRAM.
>> QUESTIONS? WE WILL START. COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> I HAVE TWO. IT NUMBER ONE, WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO DO THIS IN AUGUST IS THERE ANY REASON THIS CANNOT BE PUSHED BACK TO ACCOMMODATE STAFF IN PREPARING?
>> JUST BECAUSE, MR. GEORGE WAS VERY BROAD IN WHAT HE SAID I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO COME UP.
WE TALKED ABOUT A PROJECT FOR DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION AND POTENTIALLY GOING TO A REFERENDUM. I DO NOT KNOW THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS IS TALKING ABOUT , THE GENERAL ELECTION DATE WAS CHANGED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO AUGUST. IF WE HAVE MORE THAN TWO CANDIDATES THAT RUN , THE GENERAL ELECTION WILL BE IN AUGUST. IF THERE IS NOT A CHALLENGER THAN THE GENERAL ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER. EITHER ONE OF THESE STATES, WE CAN LEGALLY HAVE A REFERENDUM QUESTION OR QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT. I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS IS TALKING ABOUT AUGUST VERSUS NOVEMBER.
>> AND THE COST IS? >> THE COST IS THE SAME.
>> YOU PROVIDED SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS.
>> I JUST WANT A PICTURE OF THE WATERFRONT.
BOND REFERENDUM. ONE WAS DOWNTOWN AND SEA WALL PROTECTION FOR THE CITY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS BEFORE WE MOVE
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FORWARD , THAT WE IDENTIFY , WITH THE SEAWALL THERE IS A GAP TO THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH AND THERE IS A GAP IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. IF THE CITY COULD COME UP WITH HOW WE ARE GOING TO -- THAT IS NOT IT IF THE CITY CAN COME UP WITH HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE DESIGN THAT WILL DEAL WITH HOW TO DO THAT. IF WE GO TO REFERENDUM WE CAN TELL CITIZENSHOW WE WILL FUND THIS . >> WE HAVE A CONSULTANT DOING THE DESIGN FOR THE WATERFRONT PROTECTION PROGRAM. THE GAP TO THE SOUTH, I ASSUME YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHERE GOES TOWARDS THE ROAD TOWARDS THE RAINIER PROPERTY.
>> AT THE END THERE, THE PROPERTY IS GOING TO --.
>> IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IT IS PART OF THE PROGRAM.
>> GOING NORTH? >> THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY DOES NOT OWN. ONE IS DOWNSTREAM OF PARKING LOT A AND THE CITY PROPERTY AND THEN THE CITY PROPERTY, UP COUPLE OF PRIVATE ENTITIES ARE ON BOARD AND THEN THERE IS A GAP AS IT GOES TO THE PORT . SO WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT AND TRYING TO WORK ALL OF THOSE OUT. THAT IS PART OF THE
PROCESS. >> THE OTHER QUESTION, IS THE CITY GOING TO BE WILLING TO FUND WITH PUBLIC FUNDING IF EASEMENTS ARE GIVING ON PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT PUBLICLY OWNED ? IS THE CITY GOING TO BE WILLING TO FUND OF
THOSE? >> THAT WILL BE UP TO THE
COMMISSIONERS. >> SO THOSE ARE POINTS I THINK
WE SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH. >> AS WE GO THROUGH THE DESIGN WILL COME UP WITH OPTIONS WHETHER WE HAVE AN EASEMENT OR WE DON'T TO MAKE SURE THE WALL IS CONTINUOUS AND FULLY
>> AND, -- . >> ARE REALLY ENJOYED OUR VISITING SESSION. IT WAS EXCELLENT IT WAS THE BEST SESSION I HAVE EVER BEEN TO I THINK AND IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE FOR US AS STAFF AND IT WAS VERY TIMELY. WE WENT THROUGH THE BUSINESS AND TOOK CARE OF THINGS FAST. THANK YOU CHARLES. I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.
>> THANK YOU MR. GEORGE. AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS ON THE BALLOT. AND WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE AUGUST
BALLOT? >> AS WE LOOK AT THE COST AND COMPLEXITY OF THE DESIGNS WE ARE LOOKING AT AUGUST BUT IF WE NEED TO WE CAN PUSH IT FURTHER.
>> LET'S HEAR A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.
>> I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT I THINK THE CITY HAS DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT TO GET TO WHERE WE ASK FOR THE BOND. WE HAVE MONEY AND WE HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED PART OF THE SEAWALL AND THE DESIGN WILL BE HERE SOON. WE WILL HAVE THOSE READY TO GO. THE NEXT PROCESS IS TO ASK FOR BOND. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT WE HAVE A GOOD AND STRONG VETTING PERIOD WITH OUR COMMUNITY WHERE MAYBE WE HAVE A FEW MORE WORKSHOPS. WITH SAUNA PUBLIC INPUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS READY FOR THIS TO BE ON THE REFERENDUM . I WANT THEM TO HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION POSSIBLE AND I WANT THEM TO HAVE A LOVE THE FEEDBACK. I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO SEE THIS BE A SUCCESS. I WANT TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITY EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO HAVE FEEDBACK. EVEN IF IT IS MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. IF WE HAVE TO % BACK TO NOVEMBER I AM OKAY WITH THAT. I WANT TO GET STUFF PLENTY OF TIME. WE WANT TO SEE THIS SUCCEED AND WE WANT TO HAVE THE FEEDBACK. IT IS NOT JUST FROM MY FLOODING STANDPOINT. THERE ARE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THERE. THERE IS THE ABILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE TOURISM INDUSTRY THAT COULD INCREASE WITH THE SEAWALL. I WANT TO BE SURE WE GET ALL OF
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THIS INFORMATION SO I AM JUST URGING THE COMMISSION -- WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT UP TO THIS POINT. LET'S MAKESURE THAT WE SEE THIS THROUGH. >> THANK YOU. EXCELLENT POINT.
COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I AGREE BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO.
>> WE ARE NOT DONE BUT WE HAVE TIME TO GET IT DONE. THE STAFF IS FULLY COMMITTED TO MAKING IT HAPPEN.
>> I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK. FROM THE PUBLIC. GO
AHEAD. >> I AM -- FROM 1313 HICKORY.
IN MY OPINION, THE COST FOR THE SEAWALL PORTION WILL BE UPDATED AND CORRECT AND THAT THE GAPS WILL BE FILLED. MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN YOU BUILD THE SEAWALL, IT WILL ATTACK FRONT STREET IMPASSE 2ND STREET BUT, WITH THE REST OF THE CITY, YOU WILL HAVE FLOODING ON IT STREET FROM DATE UP TO -- AND ON EGAN CREEK YOU WILL HAVE FLOODING WEST OF THE OCEAN FROM THE CREEK SOUTH OF ATLANTA TO SOUTH OF SESSLER AND YOU WILL HAVE HUNDREDS OF HOMES IN EXCESS -- AND THOSE ARE NEWER. I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. YOU CANNOT DO ALL OF THIS RESILIENCY AND FORGET ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS AND THE PLAN CANNOT BE WE WILL GET GRANTS. THAT IS NOT A SOLUTION TO EVERYTHING. THE SECOND POINT IS, IF AND WHEN, OR I WILL JUST SAY WHEN IF THE BOND DISH AND -- BOND ISSUE FAILS, WILL LET THEM BE FINANCED OUT OF TAX FUNDING OR WHATEVER? AND IS THAT MONEY ALWAYS AVAILABLE? THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT RESILIENCY FOR THE CITY. IF YOU DON'T, YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT GET GRANTS. THANK YOU.
>> LET'S CALL IT THE CITY MANAGER, MR. GEORGE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE DESIGN IS WE HAVE A CONSULTANT LOOKING AT THE ENTRANCE TO EGAN CREEK. THAT RULED GETS FLOODED AND THE WATER COMES AROUND AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A CONCEPT FOR CONTROL STRUCTURE IN THAT AREA SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT FROM A CONCEPT AND IS IT FEASIBLE OR NOT. THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS WE ARE GOING THROUGH SO WE ARE AWARE OF THE OTHER ISSUES BESIDES WATER COMING OVER FRONT STREET. THERE ARE OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN USE TO ADDRESS. WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST MIGHT
>> ALSO, CHARLIE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS IN THE GRAND SCOPE OF THE FLOODING AREA OF THE ISLAND, ARE WE MAKING STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO DEAL WITH IT THE SEAWALL?
>> YES, WE ARE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE AMELIA RIVER. IT HITS FLOOD STAGE AND WITH STORMS IT COMES OVER THE TOP AND AROUND WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT NORTH OF THE PORT AND THAT IS GOING INTO THE BACK HEART OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. LOOKING AT THOSE WILL BE A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT.
>> FROM AN EMERGENCY STANDPOINT LIKE, WITH NASSAU AND WITH THE CITY WERE PREPARE FOR FOR A DISASTER LIKE A HURRICANE OR MASS FLOODING, AT SOME POINT, WHERE WOULD YOU COME TO THIS METRIC AS AN ENGINEER TO WHAT WE ARE ON A BARRIER ISLAND, AT WHAT POINT WOULD THE FLOODING NOT MATTER? BECAUSE
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EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE FLOODED?>> IT DEPENDS ON THE SEVERITY OF THE STORM. IT DEPENDS ON HIGH TIDE AND SPRING TIDE. WE ARE WORKING ON THE BEACH SIDE AND WE HAVE WORK TO DO ON --. WE TALKED ABOUT DOING STUFF WITH THE STATE ON ATLANTIC AVENUE TO KEEP THAT FROM TOPPING OVER THERE. MMS PART ON THE RIVER, ON THE NORTH SIDE, THEY CAN GO A LONG WAY TO MITIGATING . WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE ESCAMBIA ROAD AND TAKING THAT OUT SO THAT WHEN FLOODS DO COME THE WATER RECEDES FASTER THAN TRYING TO
GO OVER THE DIKE. >> THANK YOU.
>> AS WE CLOSE, I WANT TO SAY YOU COULD TO THE CITY. I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY ENGINEER HAS BEEN WORKING ALL OVER THE CITY ON THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS AND I THINK THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB . FINALLY, I WANT TO SAY YOU COULD TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE WONDERFUL SESSION. THIS PROJECT, ABOUT A RIVER WALK, A SEAWALL THAT WILL PROTECT THE CITY AND WILL PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS UP AND DOWN THE ENTIRE AMELIA RIVER IS SUCH A GREAT PROJECT. I SECOND WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING. WE HAVE SEEN THE WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES. AS WE WORK , HOPEFULLY WITH THIS AUGUST BOND WE WILL HAVE THESE PICTURES AND WILL WE HAVE THE FINAL PICTURE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WORKSHOP SOLELY ON WHAT IS COMING. WE NEED TO SEE THE PICTURE ON WHAT WE VOTE TO ACCOMPLISH. UNTIL THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE FINAL PICTURE BUT I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT WE WILL NOT BUILD THE WALL WITHOUT IT. WE WILL BUILD A PERFECT WALL THAT
WILL BE EXCELLENT FOR ALL. >> WILL YOU SAY THAT AGAIN?
>> A PERFECT WALL? NO HOLES IN IT?
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, I CAUTIONED HIM TO NOT TO SAY
THE WORD WHOLE. >> WE HAVE CHALLENGES ON A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES BUT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT AND WE
WILL HAVE THAT SOLUTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND. CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL?
>> CAN WE RESTATE THAT? >> IN THE PAPERWORK , JUST TO SUMMARIZE, IS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL BOND OF DEALING WITH THE WATERFRONT BASICALLY THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT INCLUDES DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION AND THE WATERFRONT.
[6.3 AWARD OF RFP 24-01 - BRYANT MILLER OLIVE P.A. - RESOLUTION 2024-20 AWARDING RFP 24-01 TO BRYANT MILLER OLIVE P.A. TO PROVIDE BOND COUNSEL AND DISCLOSURE COUNSEL SERVICES TO THE CITY; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Awards RFP 24-01 to Bryant Miller Olive P.A. to provide bond counsel and disclosure counsel services.]
>> THAT PASSES. HEADED DOWN TO 6.3. THIS IS BRYANT
MILLER OLIVE P.A. >> PERIODICALLY WE GO OUT TO LOOK FOR BOND -- BOND COUNSEL TO HANDLE WHEN THE CITY TAKES OUT LOANS. WE DID THAT AND BRYANT MILLER OLIVE P.A., WHO IS CURRENTLY THE BOND OF DISCLOSURE COUNSEL AS TO THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO GO WITH AGAIN. AND MR. CHRIS ROWE IS HERE IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO THEM.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS ROWE. INSPECT THIS IS NOT COST
ANYTHING? >> THERE ARE FEES IF WE USE
THEM. >> SO DOES THIS GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE THAT LOVE THEY WOULD GET A PERCENTAGE?
>> THE WAY, THE BOND IS DONE WHEN IT IS DONE. I DON'T KNOW
WHAT YOU MEAN BY RIGHT THAT. >> THEY DON'T GET PAID UNLESS
A BOND IS DONE AND APPROVED? >> CORRECT. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THIS TO BRYANT MILLER OLIVE P.A. THEY PROVIDE A SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT FEE STRUCTURES -- I HAVE RUN THAT BY CHRIS BEFORE AND WE APPRECIATE THAT MUCH. THAT IS PART OF THE FEE THAT THEY GET WHEN WE DO HAVE
LOANS AND BONDS. >> DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
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>> ANY COMMISSION OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, CITY CLERK, PLEASE
[6.4 PROPOSAL APPROVAL AND BUDGET TRANSFER - DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. RECREATION CENTER CHARLES L. ALBERT JR. FIELD - RESOLUTION 2024-21 APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES, INC. FOR THE ENGINEERING, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR TWO NEW SPORTS FIELDS AT THE DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. RECREATION CENTER CHARLES L. ALBERT JR. FIELD TO MITIGATE THE LOSS OF YBOR ALVAREZ SPORTS COMPLEX SOFTBALL FIELDS, AND A BUDGET TRANSFER IN THE AMOUNT OF $27,950.00; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the proposal from Gillette and Associates Inc. to design sports fields at the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Recreation Center Charles L. Albert Jr. Field, which mitigates the loss of Ybor Alvarez Sports Complex softball fields, and a budget transfer in the amount of $27,950.00.]
>> THAT PASSES, 5-0. >> ITEM 6.4 . THAT IS PROPOSAL APPROVAL AND BUDGET TRANSFER, DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. RECREATION RECREATION CENTER CHARLES L. ALBERT JR.
FIELD . >> WE NEED TO RELOCATE THE RECREATIONAL FIELDS TO OTHER LOCATIONS AND THIS ONE WILL BE RELOCATING OR CREATING TWO NEW SOFTBALL FIELDS AT MLK . THERE IS ONE THERE THAT NEEDS IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN THERE IS A PECK THIS FIELD THAT WILL BE TURNED TO A TRUE FIELD. WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN BY -- TO DO THE DESIGN OF THE SOFTBALL FIELD . THAT IS A REQUEST TO GILLETTE AND
ASSOCIATES, INC. >> WE HAVE NAMED THOSE FIELDS AFTER MAYOR CHARLES ALVAREZ ?
>> THAT WILL REMAIN. >> CHARLIE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE OCEAN STORAGE AREA AND
REMOVE THAT. >> YES. BECAUSE THE NEW FEEL THAT WE WILL PUT THEIR WILL GO INTO THAT AREA SO, WE WILL PROBABLY MOVE THAT TO THE FIRE STATION ON SECOND.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT IRONED OUT AND THIS WILL BE ONE BIG COMPLEX SO IT WILL BE ALL SPORTS AND
RECREATION? >> THE MOTION, -- THE OCEAN RESCUE BUILDING WILL NOT BE THERE.
>> THIS IS PART OF THE WHOLE YBOR ALVAREZ SPORTS COMPLEX.
INSPECT YOU COULD TO THE COUNTY FOR COMING IN AND GIVING A SUPPORT WITH THESE NEW FIELDS. DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> AND A DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
[6.5 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - YBOR ALVAREZ REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX - RESOLUTION 2024-22 APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES, INC. FOR THE ENGINEERING, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR A NEW YBOR ALVAREZ REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX ON AIRPORT PROPERTY LOCATED ON BAILEY ROAD IN THE AMOUNT OF $94,750.00; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the proposal from Gillette and Associates, Inc. to design a new Ybor Alvarez Regional Sports Complex on Airport property located on Bailey Road, in the amount of $94,750.00. ]
>> OF YBOR ALVAREZ SPORTS COMPLEX .
>> THIS IS PART OF THE SAME PROJECT TO DO THE DESIGN BY GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES, INC. TO DESIGN THE NEW SOCCER COMPLEX WHERE THE OLD SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE NOW SO THAT IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE FOUR LARGE FULL-SIZE SOCCER FIELDS AS WELL AS PRACTICE AREAS AND WARM-UP AREAS, A CONCESSION STAND, RESTROOMS, AND LIGHTING SO IT WILL BE A BRAND-NEW SYSTEM WHERE THE EXITING SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE NOW.
>> ANY QUESTIONS ? >> AND THE MONEY IS COMING FROM
>> YES. >> SO THE COUNTY WON'T BE
PLAYING FOR THIS? >> THE COUNTY IS MATCHING 50-50. IT WILL BE USED IN DIFFERENT WAYS RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS DESIGN GOES IT IS COMING OUT OF THIS.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS . >> I JUST WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RELISH IN ONE OF OUR WINS AND THE WORKING PARTNERSHIP WITH NASSAU COUNTY AS THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL THING.
THE COMMISSION HAS BROUGHT THIS TOGETHER AND I THINK THIS IS AN AWESOME PROJECT AND A GREAT USE OF THIS.
>> IT HAS BEEN A SMOOTH PROCESS AND I THINK IT IS GOING WELL AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
>> DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THE DISCUSSION? I WILL REITERATE WHAT WAS JUST SAID. I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU COULD TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
IT TOOK THIS COMMISSION IT TOOK THIS COMMISSION AND THAT COMMISSION AND WE ARE COMING TOGETHER. LET'S GO AHEAD AND
[6.6 AMENITIES AGREEMENT - SECOND AMENDMENT - ISLANDS CLUB AMELIA, LLC - RESOLUTION 2024-23 APPROVING THE SECOND AMENDED AMENITIES AGREEMENT WITH THE ISLANDS CLUB AMELIA, LLC RELATING TO THE ISLANDS CLUB PUD SUBDIVISION; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the second amended amenities agreement for Islands Club Amelia LLC for the Islands Club PUB subdivision prior to the common areas being turned over to the homeowners' association.]
>> THAT PASSES,5-0. UP NEXT , 6.6, ISLANDS CLUB AMELIA,
LCC. >> A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THIS REALLY QUICKLY. THIS HAVE TO DO HAS TO DO WITH THE OCEAN GALLERY OFF OF TARPON AVENUE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CITY.
THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT REQUESTED BY THE DEVELOPER AND
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THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE THE DEVELOPER IS READY TO LEAVE EVERYTHING TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, AND THE SUSPECT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES. IN 2010, THE CITY COMMISSION AGREED AT THE REQUEST OF THE ATTORNEY TO RELEASE AND MAINTENANCE BOND THAT WAS PUT UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO PROMISE TO CONSTRUCT THE AMENITIES IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT WERE CONTEMPLATED IN THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. WHEN THE MAINTENANCE BOND WAS REQUESTED TO BE RELEASED WE AGREED TO DO AN AMENITIES AGREEMENT SO THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THERE WAS A PICTURE OF THE AMENITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY, NOT THE PUBLIC. IT IS A GATED COMMUNITY. IN THERE, THE AMENITIES CHANGED ONE TIME AND THAT IS AFTER 2010. WE HAD AN AMENDMENT IN 2010 AND NOW WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A SECOND AMENDMENT. SO, THE SUMMARY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THAT THE AMENITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCT DID, AND THAT IS A SWIMMING POOL WITH FOUNTAINS. NOT A SWIMMING POOL BUT A POOL WITH A GAZEBO AND BENCHES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL BECOME A PART OF THIS AGREEMENT. THEY WILL NOT BE MADE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THIS PARTICULAR AMENITY. THE CITY REALLY, THEY DO NOT CARE IF THEY HAVE THAT THERE OR NOT SO THE HOA IS PROMISING THOSE AREAS WILL BE MAINTAINED AS COMMON AREAS AND THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE OBLIGATION. THAT IS AS SIMPLE AS I KNOW . I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND I WILL INVITE THE PERSON REPRESENTING THE DEVELOP OR AND IF MISS AMADOR WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS. KELLY GIBSON IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY PLANNING QUESTIONS. I AM JUST APPEAR TO INTRODUCE AND IF YOU HAVELEGAL QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER
ROSS. >> FIRST OF ALL I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE HOA TAKING THIS OVER. I HAVE READ THESE AGREEMENTS AND PARTICIPATED IN THE LAST ONE. I HAVE TALKED WITH ALL OF THE ATTORNEYS. I HAVE COME TO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AGREEMENT IS POORLY WRITTEN AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT IT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE CITY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO BUILD ANYTHING AND THE CITY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING AND IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG, THE CITY IS TAKING CARE OF. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE CITY, THE HOA, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. THAT IS UP TO THEM BUT I WANT THE AGREEMENT TO REFLECT WHETHER IT IS TWO YEARS OR 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IF THEY COME BACK AND LOOK AT THIS, SO THEY CAN'T SAY THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. I WANT THE AGREEMENT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO OBLIGATION TO THE CITY. THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN. THE SECOND CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THIS, IN THE PUD, THERE IS A SIDEWALK THAT GOES INTO BOTH SIDES OF THE GATE AND THERE IS NOTHING IN BETWEEN. IS THE CITY GOING TO REQUIRE THAT ? THOSE ARE MY ONLY TWO ISSUES.
OTHER THAN THAT, IF THE HOA WANTS TO TAKE THIS OVER, THAT IS FINE. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THE CITY PARTICIPATING IN THIS.
I JUST WANT TO GUARANTEE THE CITY WILL NOT COME BACK. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS NOW SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AND THEN THE HOA WILL COME BACK AND SAY WE WANT YOU TO TAKE OVER THE ROAD OR THIS OR THAT AND I JUST WANTED CRYSTAL CLEAR
>> FLORIDA LAWS SAYS THAT THE CITY TAKES ON ROADS AND THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN ACCEPT ROADS AND ONE IS WE DO
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THAT THROUGH ACCEPTING PLOTS. WE ARE ACCEPTING THE ROADS AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS AND THAT IS ONE WAY OF ACCEPTING IT IN THE OTHER, AND WE HAVE DONE THIS D. WE HAVE ALSO VACATED RIGHT-OF-WAY. THERE IS NO DOCUMENT OR ACCEPTANCE. THE OTHER IS THAT THE CITY STAFF OR CONTRACTORS GO OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY MAINTAIN. WE HAVE FOUND OLD ARGUABLY, THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE.I AM NOT ADVOCATING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT SAYS THAT THE CITY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO BUILD ANYTHING IN THE CITY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN , REPAIR, OR RECONSTRUCT THE
ROADS. >> IT IS CLEAR. I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE ROADS. WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE OBLIGATION OF --. THE AMENITIES. WE HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THEM. OR DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THEM IN THE AGREEMENT IS NOT CLEAR ON THAT. IT IS NOT STATED.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU. I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THAT THE AGREEMENT AS WRITTEN.
>> MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT COMMON PLACE WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE SUCH A STATEMENT OR JUST BY NATURE OF NOT SAYING, DO WE
HAVE LIABILITY? >> YOU ALWAYS HAVE. THE FACT THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS SAYS THIS IS NOT CLEAR, I'M NOT SURE THEY CAN PROVE IT IN COURT BUT THEY COULD RAISE IT IN COURT. WHAT WE WILL FIND TONIGHT IS THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, IN ORDER TO BECOME PART OF THIS AGREEMENT, THEY NEEDED TO GET THERE HOMEOWNERS ON BOARD WITH THIS. WE NEED TO GET OUR CLIENT, OUR ONE CLIENT, AND WE COLLECTIVELY TALKED WEEKS AND WEEKS ABOUT THIS. BUT, MISS AMADOR AND THE HOA ARE NOT READY TO AGREE TO THIS TONIGHT. BECAUSE, THEY HAD TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IN THE AGREEMENT AS IT IS WRITTEN TONIGHT. AND THAT IS A BIG TASK . IF YOU HAVE EVER DEALT WITH AN HOA IN GETTING APPROVAL FROM HOMEOWNERS.
>> SO, THEY ARE ONE OF THE HOA?
>> SO MAYBE MISPRINTS OR MISS AMADOR CAN SPEAK, THAT IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. IF WE MADE A CHANCE TONIGHT AND AMENDED THE AGREEMENT AND THE COMMISSION SAYS, WE AGREED THAT, THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET AN AGREEMENT FROM THE HOA TONIGHT. YOU ALL MIGHT AGREE BUT THE HOA MAY NOT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MISPRINTS. IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL LEGAL OPINION, THERE IS ALWAYS LIABILITY.
ANYBODY CAN ASK US TO DO ANYTHING BUT IN YOUR OPINION, IS THIS COMMON? DOES IT FEEL LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE THIS?
>> THIS DOES NOT FEEL LIKE WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. WE HAVE AN ORIGINAL PUD. IT IS BEHIND A PRIVATE GATE.
>> IT IS TIME TO GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC
SPEAKER, MISPRINTS. >> I AM TERESA PRINCE FROM 303 CENTER STREET AND I REPRESENT AND THE ONLY CLARIFICATION, THE MAYOR HAS ASKED AND IT HAS BEEN ANSWERED, WE DO HAVE CONCERNS OF THE ROAD -- AND OF THE HOA HAS DISCUSSED SPOT AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH. SINCE 1:00 THERE IS NO CONCERN AND THERE IS NO CONCERN ABOUT THE ROADS. MISS ALMA DOOR WILL GET UP WHEN IT IS TIME TO SPEAK AND LIKE MISS BOCK AND THE REST OF YOU, EVEN THOUGH IT DOES NOT IT -- IT IS INFERRED BUT WE DID DISCUSS LANGUAGE IF IT IS INFERRED TO GET IT PAST -- ARE NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY MUCH INFERRED IN THE DOCUMENT. YOU ARE ALLOWING THEM TO NOT MAINTAIN IT IN THE AGREEMENT STATES THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT AS LONG AS IT IS COMMON PROPERTY. WE JUST ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THERE ARE
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OWNERS HERE IN FAVOR AND THE BOARD ASSOCIATION AND ATTORNEYS ARE HERE. YOU MAY ALSO HEAR SOME CITIZENS T■HAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE OPPOSED. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS SPEAKING TONIGHT BUT I KNOW THAT MISS AMADOR WILL OUTLINE WHAT THEY DID IS A COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TURNED OVER THE COMMUNITY TWO YEARS AGO.THAT IS WHEN WE HEARD THE FIRST EXPRESSION, PLEASE DO NOT COMPLETE THESE ITEMS SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE HOA TO TALK TO RESIDENTS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANT DONE. HERE WE ARE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT ONE CLARIFICATION. THE ROAD WAS A CONCERN AND MISS AMADOR CAN SPEAK TO IF ANYTHING SHE CAN ALLOW TO PUT INTO THE AGREEMENT IF THE COMMISSION REQUIRES THAT . I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> SEAN MCNEIL TO COME TO THE YOU MCNEIL, EVETTE 524 C ONEDRIVE, WHICH IS IN THE GALLERY COMMUNITY. I'M CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT, I HAVE BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION SINCE MAY, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEYS. WE JUST WANT TO HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT IS THERE , AND WE DO NOT WANT ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES BUILT . THE STRUCTURES THAT WE THEY ARE PERFECT, AND THERE ARE SOME NATURAL GREEN SPACES THAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN , AND WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING BUILT ON IT. THAT IS BASICALLY THE SUMMARY OF THE SITUATION , YOU KNOW, AND THE ASSOCIATION ASKED ME TO COME UP AND SPEAK. IN THE CROWD, IF WE CAN JUST READ THE HEAD OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND ARE HERE IN SUPPORT? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 27 LOTS. THERE ARE 13 HOMES BUILT, TWO MORE SOON TO BE DEVELOPED, AND IN THE CROWD, THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE OF THE POTENTIAL 15 PEOPLE HERE IN SUPPORT. SUCH IS THE VIEW OF ONE PERSON. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY BEHIND GETTING THIS RESOLVED AND MOVING FORWARD TO DO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AS A COMMUNITY. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN A NUTSHELL.
MR. MCNEIL? THANK YOU SO MUCH . FROM THE ENTIRE POPULATION, THEY GET FOR BEING WITH US. ALL RIGHT, WE INVITE MR. BLAKE MENZER TO THE PODIUM. WELCOME.
>> THANK YOU. I AM BLAKE MENZEL, I LIVE AT 735 GOLD HERSELF IN JACKSONVILLE. I'M THE OWNER OF ONE NUMBER TWO IN OCEAN GALLERY. I JUST WANTED TO BE HERE JUST SUPPORT THE EFFORT AND REITERATE THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SITES HERE. THE DEVELOPER IN THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HERE ASKING FOR THE EXACT SAME THING , AND WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT IS NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN ANYTHING, I HAVE HEARD THAT PHRASE USED, IT IS NOT IT. IT IS THAT WE DON'T WANT MORE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DO EXPECT TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE COMMON SPACE THAT WE HAVE . IF ANY CHANGES ARE MADE IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE TO CONVERT PARKS KEEP TO GREEN SKATE. BUT IT WAS STILL BE BEAUTIFIED AND MAINTAINED. SO, THANK YOU.
>> OF COURSE. THANK YOU, SIR. FINALLY, WE RECOGNIZE MS. ALEXANDRIA ANDORRA. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> GOOD EVENING. 110 SOLANA ROAD . I REPRESENT THE MEDIA GALLERY OCEAN ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS A PRIVATE, GATED COMMUNITY. JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN THE OWNERS WHO EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN NOT HAVING ALL OF THE AMENITIES DEPICTED IN THE 2018 AGREEMENT BUILT, AND MORE EXPRESSLY STATED THE STATEMENTS MOVING FORWARD NOT HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN THE AMENITIES AS THEY ARE BUILT , THE EXISTING AMENITIES, SO WE CAN EXERCISE ITS JUDGMENT IN THE FUTURE WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPERTY THAT IT IS GOING TO OWN, AND DETERMINE HOW AND WHAT IT WOULD IMPROVE, IF ANYTHING, IN THE COMMON AREA OF THE ASSOCIATION. TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN REGARDING CITY RESPONSIBILITY , IT IS THE ASSOCIATION POSITION THAT THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT ESPRESSO PROVIDE FOR THE CITY , OR DOES NOT INDICATE THAT THE CITY WILL
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HAVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY, OR THAT THAT RESPONSIBILITY CAN BE INFERRED FROM THE TEXT OF THE AGREEMENT. BUT, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, OR THE 2018 AMENDED AGREEMENT IS LIMITED AS SPOKEN TO THE ONLY AMENITIES. THE ISSUE REGARDING THE ROADS WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE AGREEMENT. SO, THE SECOND AMENDMENT SHOULD LIKEWISE BE LIMITED ONLY TO THE ITEMS IN THE 2023 AGREEMENTS, WHICH ARE THE AMENITIES. IT WOULD SIMPLY REPLACE THE EXHIBIT INDICATING THOSE AMENITIES THAT WERE BUILT, ACKNOWLEDGING THEY WERE BUILT, AND THAT THE INTENT WERE SATISFIED, AND THAT THE ASSOCIATION HAD OBLIGATION MOVING FORWARD. BUT I CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.ATTORNEY? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT, MA'AM.
>> WITH NO OR THE FOR THE REQUEST TO SPEAK, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS? I AM SEEING NONE. TO
HEAR EMOTION? >> AND MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> I THINK THIS IS POORLY WORDED. I WOULD NEVER SIGN THIS PERSONALLY. I DO NOT THINK IT PROTECTS THE CITY, AND IT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. IF YOU WANT TO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF IT. BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS UP TO THE AGE AWAY. BUT, I DON'T BELIEVE THIS DOCUMENT , TO MY LEVEL OF COMFORT, PROTECTS THE CITY. YOU TALK ABOUT LAWSUITS AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. IT DOES NOT EXCESSIVELY PROTECT THE CITY.
WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR YEARS, AND I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS IN GOOD SPIRIT. IT WOULD NOT SIGN THIS IF THIS WERE IN MY HOUSE. SO I CANNOT DO THAT TONIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> I WILL JUST DATE THAT I TALKED TO PLENTY OF HOMEOWNERS.
IT HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY STATED TO ME THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS , AND TAKE CARE OF THE AMENITIES. I KNOW THAT PROPERTIES CAN CHANGE HANDS AND ALL OF THAT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HAS BEEN WELL STATED AT LEAST OPENLY THAT THAT COMMUNITY UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS, AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE AMENITIES. THEY SIMPLY JUST WANT US OUT OF THEIR HAIR. AND I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO DO SO. SO, THAT IS WHERE AND WITH IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM THAT THE ROADS ARE NOT AN ISSUE. THE ROADS ARE NOT AN ISSUE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS THE CITY , AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE CITY IS NOT INVOLVED . THIS MIGHT IMPLY IT, BUT THIS IS NOT STATE IT. THIS WHOLE ROOM OF HOMEOWNERS CAN CHANGE IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. HIS 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM THIS THAT YOU'RE WORRYING ABOUT. YOU WILL COME BACK TO THIS, AND SEE THAT THE CITY IMPLICITLY AGREED TO THIS , AND I JUST WANT TO PUT A SIMPLE TWO SENTENCES IN THERE TO SAY THAT THE CITY IS NOT OBLIGATED, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THAT IS FINE. I WILL NOT SIGN IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE CITIZENS FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT. AS MUCH OF A FULL HOUSE, AND LET'S GET THIS DONE. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE?
>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN? >> YES .
[6.7 AWARD OF ITB 24-05 - NATURAL LANDSCAPING OF JAX - RESOLUTION 2024-24 AWARDING INVITATION TO BID 24-05 TO NATURAL LANDSCAPING OF JAX FOR BOSQUE BELLO CEMETERY LAWN MAINTENANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023/2024, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $115,200.00; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves the award of Invitation to Bid (ITB) 24-05 to Natural Landscaping of Jax for Bosque Bello Cemetery lawn maintenance, in Fiscal Year 2023/2024, in an amount not to exceed $115,200.00.]
>> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE? >> YES.
>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES? >> YES.
>> MAYOR BEAN? >> YES. ALL RIGHT, THAT PASSES 4-1. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ITEM 6.7 , NATURALS LANDSCAPING OF
JACKS. >> THIS RELATES TO GENERAL LANDSCAPING AT THE CEMETERY. ON FOR BIDS, GOT TWO RESPONDENTS , AND NATURAL LANDSCAPING OF JACKSONVILLE WITH RESPONSIVE BIDS ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT TO DO THIS ANNUAL
LANDSCAPING IN THE CEMETERY. >> QUESTIONS? VICE-MAYOR
STURGES? >> I CAN MAKE A STATEMENT. I DID HAVE A QUESTION, BUT APPRECIATE YOU NOTING ME. I STARTED TO MOVE FOR IT, BUT I DIDN'T. CHARLIE, ISN'T THAT THE SAME COMPANY THOSE ALREADY CURRENTLY DOING THIS?
>> YES. YES. >> AND THE OTHER WAS A BIT IT
CORRECTLY? >> YES. THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMELINESS OF THE BED, BUT ONLY WENT BACK, THEY HAD ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS NEEDED.
>> THANK YOU, CHARLIE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. DO I
HEAR EMOTION? >> AND MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? AM SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN?
[6.8 LEASE AGREEMENT - SANDBAR AMELIA LLC - RESOLUTION 2024-25 APPROVING A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH SANDBAR AMELIA LLC TO CONSTRUCT A SIGN ON CITY PROPERTY AT MAIN BEACH; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves a five-year lease with Sandbar Amelia LLC (the Sandbar Restaurant) to place a wayfinding sign on City property at Main Beach.]
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>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> YES. >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES?
>> YES. THAT PASSES 5-0. ITEM 6.8, LEASE AGREEMENT FOR
SANDBAR EMILY LLC. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE, THE SANDBAR RESTAURANT AT MAIN BEACH AS REQUESTED TO LEASE A 12 SQUARE FOOT, TWO BY SIX SECTION OF CITY PROPERTY WERE THE CURRENT MAIN BEACH SIGN IS NEXT TO IT TO ERECT THEIR OWN SIGN IDENTIFYING THAT THE SANDBAR IS LOCATED BACK THERE BEHIND MAIN BEACH PARK. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO SEE FROM THE ROAD OR ANYTHING IDENTIFYING IT , AND STAFF SAID WELL, WE'LL BRING IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION. WE ARE NOT OBJECTING TO IT , AND FRANKLY, IF I REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, IT WOULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE . PEOPLE TRYING TO FIND WHERE IT IS AND NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY ARE GOING.
>> QUESTION, WHAT IS FAIR MARKET VALUE FOR RENT ON THE
SMALL SQUARE THAT MUCH? >> WE DID NOT DO AN APPRAISAL, BUT THIS AFTERNOON SINCE WE MET WITH ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS WORKING UP TO THIS, SOME OF YOU HAD QUESTIONS. WHERE DO WE COME UP WITH THE RENT? RENT AMOUNT IS $1000.00 ANNUALLY, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT OTHER AGREEMENTS WE HAVE. WE HAVE AGREEMENTS FOR DOWNTOWN, FOR TOURS , THERE ARE $1200.00 A YEAR , ET CETERA. I ANSWERED THIS NUMBER IN HERE .
THEY DID NOT OFFER TO PAY, SO I SAID $1000 .00 A YEAR , AND WE LOOK AT OTHER RENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE AIRPORT , IT IS $.20 PER SQUARE FOOT TO LEASE GROUND SPACE AT THE AIRPORT.
SO, AT THIS SPOT, IT WOULD BE TO DOLLAR 40 AT THE AIRPORT.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET $400 .00 PER SQUARE FOOT. BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARY. WE DO NOT HAVE IT APPRAISED, AND THAT IS NOT THE APPRAISED VALUE OF THE CORNER.
>> THAT IS REASONABLE , THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> SO THEY ARE WILL PUT UP A SIGN ALONG THE ROAD? I'M
ASKING ABOUT THE LEASE. >> IT IS TWO BY SIX.
>> THIS IS FOR FOOT BY 60. >> FOUR FEET BY SIX FEET, I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO BY SIX. MY APOLOGIES. THAT IS THE GROUND.
SIGN. >> OH, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, OR THIS BE PART PROPERTY?
>> WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO A LEASE ON RIGHT-OF-WAY, SO IT IS PART PROPERTY. THERE IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BUMP OUTS IF YOU WILL THERE AT THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE SANDBAR IS. THAT AT THE PUMP OUT BEHIND THE DUMPSTER. IT IS ON THE
CITIES PUBLIC -- >> IT IS ON THE CURRENT SIGN?
BY THE CITY. >> AND THERE IS ROOM TO PUT IT THERE AND NOT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY?
>> YES. AND I RELIED ON THE PARKS AND REC STAFF IN THE PLANNING STAFF ARE PART OF THIS AS WELL.
>> AND DO WE CHARGE OTHER PEOPLE FOR SIGNS?
>> FOR SIGNS? I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE.
>> WELL, WE HAVE DOWN AT THE MARINA THE CAPTAINS THAT ALL HAVE TWO BY DO SIGNS. WE DON'T CHARGE THEM.
>> THEY PAY RENT FOR THEIR SLIPS.
>> BUT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RENT.
>> I DON'T KNOW THE POLICY THEY ARE WORKING ON.
>> OKAY. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAND
>> GOOD EVENING. >> SO, THE PROPERTIES ON
RECREATION, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.
>> THERE IS NO USE OF PROPERTY, CORRECT?
>> UNDER THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN?
>> THERE IS RECREATIONAL, BUT NOT COMMERCIAL USES .
>> YOU CAN HAVE LIMITED RETAIL THAT OCCURS ALONGSIDE RECREATIONAL VENDOR THAT IS THERE. OR FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICES MAY BE PART OF IT. BUT AS A PRINCIPAL USE , I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A COMMERCIAL USE THAT IS ALLOWED
THERE. >> MORE AS AN ACCESSORY USE?
>> I THINK AS PART OF A LARGER OPERATION THAT IS OTHERWISE PERMITTED, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE THE PUTT PUTT OPERATION THAT IS A CITY LEASEHOLD THERE THAT HAS CONCESSIONS
AVAILABLE. >> THAT'S THE PROPERTY, RIGHT?
>> THIS IS NOT ON CITY PROPERTY.
>> THIS IS ON CITY PROPERTY. >> NO, THE SANDBAR IS NOT ON
CITY PROPERTY. >> THE SANDBAR IS NOT ON CITY PROPERTY. I APOLOGIZE, THE SANDBAR RESTAURANT ITSELF IS
NOT ON RECREATION PROPERTY. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY. >> SO, ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE , THE SIGN ORDINANCE , IT SAYS THAT OFF-SITE ADVERTISING
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SIGNS ARE NOT ALLOWED. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> THIS IS AN OFF-SITE ADVERTISING SIGN.
>> THE EFFORT THIS EVENING IS TO PROVIDE A LEASABLE SPACE FOR THE RESTAURANT THAT IS ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY , THE NEAREST AVAILABLE ADJACENT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT CAN OTHERWISE COMPLY WITH THE CODE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, IT IS STILL OFF-SITE. WE ARE STILL
LEASING OFF-SITE. >> THEY ARE LEASING SPACE ON CITY LAND IN ORDER TO OVERCOME THAT HURDLE.
>> AND ALSO PROHIBITS SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING PUBLIC
RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> PROHIBITS SIGNS -- WELL, WE HAVE MANY EXAMPLES OF SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE CITY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. THAT IS INCLUDING GENERAL WAYFINDING , PLACE MARKING, THAT TYPE OF THING, REGULATORY SIGNAGE.
>> I AM JUST SAYING WHAT IT SAYS IS THE SIGNS IDENTIFIED IN THIS SECTION ARE EXPRESSLY FOR HABITED AMONGST OTHERWISE EXEMPTED OR EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED. AND THEN IT SAYS SIGNS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, INCLUDING PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SIGNS ERECTED BY THE PUBLIC AUTHORITY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES, WHICH I BELIEVE THIS IS, ON THE BOARD.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS NOT HIGHLY THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY. THE SANDBAR RESTAURANT IS ASKING TO UTILIZE A PIECE OF CITY PROPERTY ON PUBLIC RECREATION LAND TO SUPPORT SIGNAGE FOR THE BUSINESS AT THE NEAREST ADJACENT LOCATION. THEY ARE LEASING THE SPACE RATHER THAN ENTERING INTO ANOTHER TYPE OF AGREEMENT TO UTILIZE THAT AND PROVIDE WAYFINDING.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS DOES NOT VIOLATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
>> IT IS THE ONLY REASONABLE WAY FOR US TO BE OFFERED TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THAT PARTICULAR PERSON MAKING THE
REQUEST. >> BUT WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO
OFFER THIS. >> NO. THE CITY IS NOT OBLIGATE IT TO AGREE TO IT. WE ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING SOLUTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MISS GIBSON. MR.
GEORGE? >> THIS IS NOT NECESSARY, BUT
IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. >> TO HAVE A MOTION?
>> I WILL START. THE MAIN BEACH SIGN IS THERE, AND HAS A MARQUEE. WE PUT SOME OUT. THE SANDBAR RESTAURANT, IF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, THAT BUILDING HAS JUST BEEN A PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR SOME TIME, AND THE SANDBAR HAS BEEN GREAT PARTNERS TO THE CITY. THEY ARE ASKING A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST TO ADD TO THEIR ASSIGNED TO THE NEAREST AVAILABLE LOCATION RIGHT NEXT TO ANOTHER SIGN. THEY ARE GOING TO PAY US A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO DO THAT. SO, I SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE SANDBAR FOR JUST BEING A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY. I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING US ON THIS. ANY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER ROSS, GO AHEAD.
>> FIRSTLY, I AM OPPOSED TO THIS FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
I THINK IT BY LAZILY DEVELOPING CODE, AND IT VIOLATES THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. NUMBER TWO, THE LEASE RATE IS ARBITRARY.
NUMBER THREE, IT IS A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE TO WIN BUSINESS AS OPPOSED . WE ARE OPENING PANDORA'S BOX THERE. BY ALLOWING ONE BUSINESS TO REQUEST AN OFF-SITE PUBLIC SIGN, AND NOT ALLOWING ANYBODY ELSE. I GO TO THE SANDBAR. IF THE CITY WANTS TO OFFER THEM A TWO BY TWO FOOT WAYFARING SIDE , I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, I THINK A FOUR BY SIX FOOT SIGN WHERE OTHER BUSINESSES AND ALLOWED TO DO IN THE CITY IS PARTICULARLY PUTTING IT ON RECREATIONAL LAND
THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE TERMINATION AGREEMENT . CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT REALLY QUICK? SHOULD THERE BE ANY DETERMINATION ON EITHER SIDE?
>> I DO NOT HAVE THE AGREEMENT IN FRONT OF ME. YOU HAVE IT UP
IN YOUR PACKET. >> I CAN GIVE IT TO YOU RIGHT
NOW IF YOU WANT. >> YES. BE GREAT.
>> THIS IS A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT.
>> THEY CAN TERMINATE AT WILL. WE CANNOT.
>> OKAY. THAT'S IT. >> OKAY. THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS BECAUSE THE SANDBAR HAS TO GO AND PRODUCE A SIGN. WE ARE
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NOT OBLIGATED TO GIVE THEM THE LAND. WE CAN SAY NO, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. BUT IF WE GIVE THEM THE LAND, THEY WILL PRODUCE A SIGN THAT COSTS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. THAT IS HOW MUCH THE SIGNS COST. SO, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE GETTING A FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT, AND ALL OF THIS, BY THE WAY, WAS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN PARKS AND REC, PLANNING, LEGAL AFTER THE REQUEST WAS MADE, CAN WE DO IT, WHAT IS THE RIGHT SIZE SIGN, WHICH IS AGREEABLE TO PARKS, WHAT IS AGREEABLE TO PLANNING.SO, WE DID COME TOGETHER TO LOOK AT THAT, AND THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DETERMINATION REVISION AT WILL THAT THE CITY CAN DISABLE YOU ARE OUT OF HERE, WE DON'T CARE THAT YOU SPENT THAT KIND OF MONEY ON THE SIGN. THAT IS WHY THAT WAS AGREED ON. BUT IT IS A PROPOSAL. THE CERTAINLY NOT
OBLIGATED TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SAME SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK, GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE.
[6.9 CHANGE ORDER NO. 1 AND BUDGET AMENDMENT - MAE CONTRACTING LLC - RESOLUTION 2024-26 APPROVING MAE CONTRACTING, LLC CHANGE ORDER NO. 1 FOR BOSQUE BELLO CEMETERY FENCING AND APPROVING A BUDGET AMENDMENT; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves Mae Contracting, LLC Change Order No.1 and an amendment to the Parks and Recreation Budget for the final costs associated with the Bosque Bello Cemetery fence, Project #23066, in the amount of $26,795.00.]
>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN? >> YES.
>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES? >> YES.
>> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE? >> YES.
>> MAYOR BEAN? >> YES. THAT PASSES 4-1. GOING TO THE LINE, WE ARE GOING DOWN TO 6.9, CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE AND BUDGET AMENDMENT , M AE CONTRACTING LLC.
>> THIS IS FOR THE CEMETERY. MOST OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY GONE OUT THERE AND SEE THE FENCING THAT HAS BEEN DONE. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ON THE CEMETERY, WE HAD TO ADD ADDITIONAL FENCE SECTIONS , AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK IN THAT AREA. SO, THAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS CHANGE ORDER, AND STAFF IS ARE COMMITTING APPROVAL FOR $7955.00.
>> ARRAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE? I AM SEEING NONE, AND I SEE NORQUEST TO SPEAK. DO WE HAVE A MOTION?
>> ANY VOTE FOR DISCUSSION? SAME SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL
[6.10 FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA - SLIP FEES WAIVER - RESOLUTION 2024-27 APPROVING THE WAIVER OF FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA SLIP FEES FOR TWO SHRIMP BOATS TO DOCK DURING THE 2024 ISLE OF EIGHT FLAGS SHRIMP FESTIVAL, ARRIVING MAY 2, 2024, AND DEPARTING MAY 6, 2024, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $1,515.00; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves waiving Fernandina Harbor Marina slip fees for "Captain Momma" and "Ashley Michelle", arriving May 2, departing May 6, in an amount not to exceed $1,515.00.]
THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN?
>> YES. >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES?
>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> YES. THAT PASSES 5-0. MOVING ON TO SIX-POINT 10, FERNANDINA HARBOR MARINA, SLIP FEES WAIVER.
>> THERE ARE TWO SHIP BOATS THAT WILL BE COMING IN TO THE HARBOR TO BE THERE DURING THAT TIME PERIOD. WE ARE RECOMMENDING LEAVING THE SLIP FEES FOR THOSE TWO SLIP BOATS.
IT WAS GOOD BEFORE DAYS , AND OTIS REESE THAT THE NUMBER OF 1515 WILL BE A LITTLE LESS. WE ARE USING THAT AS NOT TO EXCEED AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING.
>> THANK YOU , MR. GEORGE. LET'S GO TO VICE-MAYOR
STURGES? >> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT I AM EXCITED TO SEE SOME SHRIMP BOATS OUT THERE , AND I'M GLAD WE WILL DO IT FREE FOR THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL. I THINK IT IS GREAT FOR THE COMMITTEE, IT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMITTEE. I THINK IT IS VERY VISIBLE, SO CARRY ON. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. TO HAVE A MOTION? GO AHEAD.
>> IT IS INTERESTING THAT THIS IS FREE. HOW IS THIS REVENUE
GOING TO BE REPLACED? >> $1100, I THINK WE CAN FIND
IT SOMEWHERE -- >> BUT WEARS A COMING FROM?
>> IT WILL COME OUT OF THE MARINA FUND.
>> WE ARE ALREADY SUBSIDIZING THE MARINA $680,000.00 A YEAR, AND NOW, WE ARE ASKING TO PUT MORE MONEY ON THE BOARD FOR TAXPAYER MONEY? THIS IS A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP. YOU CAN PAY FOR THEIR SLIP FEE, CORRECT?
>> THEY COULD. >> OR, WE NOW GIVE FREE SIGNS TO THE CAPTAINS WHO CAN CHARGE THEM FOR THOSE AND COME UP WITH A SPECIAL FUND. COULD WE NOT?
>> WE COULD. >> SO, THE REASON I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, WE ARE WEAVING FEES WITHOUT HAVING ANY WAY TO REPLACE THE REVENUE. WANT TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATES, I DO WANT TO INCREASE TAXES, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT INCREASED TAXABILITY WITH THE PAYORS, YET WE KEEP CUTTING FEES. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING TO CUT FEES. THERE HAS BEEN NO REVENUE PRODUCED.
>> THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY TO THIS IS THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION WITH THE TWO SHRIMP BOATS COMING IN. FOR THREE DAYS, STAFF BELIEVES IT IS PROFITABLE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE. I APPRECIATE THAT. VERY MOTION?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> YOU HEAR A MOTION IN A SECOND. COMMISSION DISCUSSION? I WILL GO. THANK YOU TO ALL OF THOSE OF THE SHRIMP US COMMITTEE WHO DID NOT TURN UP TODAY. I WILL NOT CALL YOU GUYS A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP, BECAUSE YOUR PART OF THE COMMUNITY. YOU ARE WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL, AND WE ARE FINALLY BRINGING BACK SHRIMP BOATS TO SHRIMP FEST. WHAT A GREAT DEAL THAT WILL BE. A GREAT DEAL THIS HAS DONE, AND I THINK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR SUPPORT. COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY, MISS MARION PHILLIPS IS SMILING.
>> WE APPRECIATE HER. COMMISSIONER ANTUN?
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>> THANK YOU. HAVE TO SAY AT LEAST ONE SENTENCE. THINK THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME THAT OUR SHRIMP FESTIVAL BRINGS ECONOMICALLY TO OUR CITY SHOULD COVER $1100.00 AROUND WHETHER SALES TAX , WHETHER IT IS A NEW PERSON THAT STARTS A NEW RESIDENTIAL UNIT HERE , WHETHER IT IS SOMETHING, IT IS US PROVIDING FOR GOOD FRIENDSHIP AND GOOD BUSINESS PARTNERS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS WHAT I SEE OUT OF THIS. THANK
YOU. >> EXCELLENT POINT, VICE MAYOR.
THANK YOU. ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROSS,
YOUR LIGHT IS ON? >> YEAH. I SOUND LIKE THE OLD CROW, WHICH I SUPPOSE I AM . BUT WE HAVE A FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. WE KEEP GETTING AND GIVING FEES AWAY. THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL DOES A LOT OF GREAT THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY , BUT SOMEHOW, ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN PAID FOR. THE KEY PRODUCING FEES AND GIVING MONEY AWAY, AND NOT GIVING UP WITH ANY SOURCES. I'VE NO PROBLEM IF YOU COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, AND HERE IS WHERE WE WILL GIVE AWAY $1200.00, HERE'S WITH THE MONEY IS COMING FROM, SO, BEING FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE, IF YOU HAVE AN EXPENSE , THEY WILL SAY THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM. IT WILL NOT COME FROM SALES TAX. SALES TAX GOES TO THE STATES, NOT THE CITY, AND WILL
GET A RETURN ON THAT. >> WAIT A SECOND, I THINK WE DO! CAN WE CONFIRM THAT IT IS NOT TRUE?
>> IT IS NOT TRUE. I MISSPOKE. I WILL GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS.
THE CITY GENERATES $32,000,000.00 AND SALES TAX EVERY YEAR, IT'S ABOUT $8,000,000.00 BACK.
>> NOT BAD AT ALL. >> NOT BAD AT ALL? I HOPE YOU NEVER RUN A BUSINESS OF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK IS NOT A BETTER RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. THAT IS THE REASON I AM OPPOSED TO THIS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE JUDICIARIES OF THE TAXPAYERS THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. VICE-MAYOR STURGES?
>> THANK YOU. I WILL DRAG THIS TOO LONG, BUT WILL MAKE A COUPLE STATEMENTS. I THINK THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION OVERCHARGED TAXPAYERS. THEY COULD NOT SPEND OVER $1,000,000.00 OR PLUS WITHIN A 12 MONTH PERIOD, SO NOW, WE ARE SPENDING THAT THIS YEAR AS WELL AS REDUCING THE TAXES TO ZERO FOR ALL CITIZENS IS HERE. THANK YOU, HAVE A NICE DAY.
>> LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE CLEAR FOR THAT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN OVER A DECADE, THE CITY COMMISSION DID NOT RAISE YOUR TAXES. IT HAPPENED YEAR AFTER YEAR, JUST TO BE CLEAR. THE CITY TAXES ARE NOT ZERO.
>> THANK YOU. WE DO NOT RAISE THE TAXES! THAT IS A PHRASE I MEANT TO SAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
>> THROW ME A PARADE. I WILL DO IT.
>> THAT IS NOT A COUPON. NOBODY TRY TO CASH THAT IN. GO AHEAD
AND CALL THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
[6.11 PIGGYBACK PURCHASE - BOUND TREE MEDICAL, LLC - RESOLUTION 2024-28 APPROVING THE PURCHASE OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT FROM BOUND TREE MEDICAL, LLC. BY WAY OF A PIGGYBACK PURCHASE TO THE BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA, CONTRACT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $121,000; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves using Brevard County's contract with Bound Tree Medical, LLC, to purchase medical supplies for the Fire Department. ]
>> YES. >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES?
>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN?
>> YES. ALL RIGHT, THAT PASSES 4-1 . ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE 6.11, PIGGYBACK PURCHASE, BOUNDARY MEDICAL, LLC. ONCE AGAIN, MR.
GEORGE? >> THIS IS PURCHASING EMERGENCY MEDICAL SUPPLIES FOR OUR PEER MEDIC SERVICES. IS ON A PIGGYBACK WITH BREVARD COUNTY THAT WE HAVE USED IN THE PAST FOR AN AMOUNT EXCEEDING 121,000. OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS SUPPLIES THAT WE NEED TO FUNCTION TO HANDLE OUR
EMERGENCY SERVICES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE? I AM SEEING NONE. LET'S GO AHEAD
AND HEARING MOTION. >> I MOVED TO PROVE.
>> SECOND. >> WE HEAR A MOTION IN A SECOND. WAIT, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I SAW WE HAD A REQUEST TO SPEAK FOR MR. SCOTT INGLIS FROM THE SHRIMP FEST. HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL, HE IS HERE.
>> HE IS GONE NOW. >> YOU JUST LEFT. I WILL CALL HIM LATER. I THINK IT WENT THE WAY HE WANTED, SO WE ARE ALL GOOD. WE WILL JUST MOVE THAT ONE DOWN. ALL RIGHT, HEADING ON DOWN THE LINE, DO I HEAR THAT MOTION FOR THIS ONE? JUST TO REFRESH WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BOUNDARY LLC.
>> SECOND. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN A SECOND.
DO I HEAR ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I AM SEEING NONE. CITY
CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN?
[6.12 DEDUCTIVE CHANGE ORDER #13 - BLACKWATER CONSTRUCTION SERVICES - RESOLUTION 2024-29 APPROVING DEDUCTIVE CHANGE ORDER #13 FOR BLACKWATER CONSTRUCTION SERVICES ON THE FIRE STATION AT THE AIRPORT FOR THE DECONTAMINATION FLOOR SYSTEM; APPROVING A PROPOSAL FROM SHARK COATINGS FOR THE REMOVED SCOPE OF WORK; AUTHORIZING EXECUTION; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Approves Change Order #13 with Blackwater Construction Services, removing the decontamination area flooring from the scope of work for the new Fire Station #2 project for a decrease in the contract amount of $6,554.00, and approves a proposal from Shark Coatings to complete the work.]
>> YES. >> VICE-MAYOR STURGES?
>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> YES. THAT PASSES 5-0. ITEM SIX POINT WELL, DEDUCTIVE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER 13, BLACKWATER CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. ONCE AGAIN, MR. GEORGE?
>> THIS IS RESOLUTION 2024-29. THIS IS A DEDUCTIVE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE FLOOR SYSTEM. WE TAKING NETWORK AWAY FROM THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO GET A BETTER PRICE FROM OTHER VENDORS. SO, THIS IS BASICALLY A DECREASE IN THE
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GENERAL CONTRACTING AMOUNT ON AN AMOUNT OF $6554.00.>> EXCELLENT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE? I AM SEEING NONE.
DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> I MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN A SECOND.
ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? I AM SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN? YES.
>> VICE-MAYOR STURGES? >> YES.
>> COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE? >> YES.
>> MAYOR BEAN? >> YES. THAT PLACES 5-0. WE KNOW IN SECTION 7, ORDINANCES. FIRST READING. ITEM SEVEN POINT ONE, VOLUNTARY AND ACCESSION, 766, KENNETH COURT.
>> YES? >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEXT THREE ORDINANCES.
>> THAT IS NOTED. WE WILL NOT TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. SEE YOU GUYS AT 7:35.
[7.1 (Quasi-judicial) - VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - 766 KENNETH COURT - ORDINANCE 2024- 01 ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 0.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 766 KENNETH COURT CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests voluntary annexation of properties located at 766 Kenneth Court totaling approximately 0.92 acres of land, contiguous to the City limits.]
AGAIN RECONVENE THIS MEETING AT THE CITY COMMISSION. WE WILL START RIGHT WHERE HE LEFT OFF, ITEM SEVEN POINT ONE, QUASIJUDICIAL VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION 766 KENNETH COURT.>> YES. I WANT TO MAKE VERY CLEAR TONIGHT, WE HAVE TWO COMING UP . THE SAME PROPERTY, 766 KENNETH COURT. WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT , AND FIRST, WE HAVE A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION THAT WE HAVE TO CONDUCT A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING HERE AT FIRST READING. THE NEXT ITEM IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT , THAT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN , AND THAT IS THE LEGISLATIVE ITEM THAT YOU WILL END UP VOTING ON AFTER YOU HEAR THE CASES , AND THE PRESENTATIONS, AND THIRD, THE ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT, WHICH REZONED THE PROPERTY , AND REALLY, THAT IS ONLY RELEVANT IF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT IS APPROVED. THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION HIS FIRST, AND WE DO THIS IN LOGICAL ORDER , BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON ANY ONE OF THE QUASIJUDICIAL , JUST LIKE NORMAL.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> OUR NORMAL PROCEDURES WE DO NOT VOTE AT FIRST READING, IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND THINK ABOUT IT, TO REVIEW SOME MORE EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED, PARTICULARLY THE DOCUMENTS, MAPS, STOPPER FOR, WHATEVER IT IS , AND WHEN YOU COME BACK A MONTH LATER, A SECOND READING, AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE. WE HAVE HAD VOTES ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT. SO, TONIGHT, MS. GIBSON WITH CITY STAFF IS THE PRESENTER AND PARTY FOR THE CITY. I AM REPRESENTING AS THE CITY ATTORNEY . THE CITY COMMISSION WHO IS SITTING HERE TONIGHT AS THE EVIDENCE, I AM HERE TO ADVISE YOU ON PROCEDURE. I HAVE NOT ADVISED CITY STAFF ON THE APPLICATION OR ANY OF THE FINDINGS IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND THEN, MR. GIBBS IS HERE.
HE REPRESENTS A PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT. HE IS GOING TO BE HERE , AND THERE IS AT LEAST ONE AFFECTED PARTY WHO WISHES TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY. THEY WILL COME TO THE PODIUM AFTER THE CITY AND PROPERTY OWNER MAKE THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD. THE AFFECTED PARTY AND ANY OTHER AFFECTED PARTIES HERE TONIGHT , PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND EDIFY YOURSELF AS AN EFFECTIVE PARTY . YOU ARE NOT TIME TO THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GET TO SPEAK. HE WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE OF TESTIMONY. ANOTHER MAIN THING THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY IS BEFORE ANY OF US BE, I WILL NOT BE DOING THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT INTRODUCING EVIDENCE OF TESTIMONY, BUT LAWYERS, AFFECTED PARTIES , MISS GIBSON WITH CITY STAFF IS GOING TO BE ASKED TO TAKE AN OATH THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY TONIGHT ON THE RECORD IS TRUE AND ACCURATE. SO, THESE THREE ITEMS, WHAT WE DECIDED WE WILL DO TONIGHT, BECAUSE THERE IS REALLY NO WAY TO SEPARATE THEM , WE COULD DO THE ANNEXATION WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT WHAT ELSE IS IN THE APPLICATION OF PROPOSAL FOR THE NUMBER OF LOTS. I THINK THAT IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE. SO, MY THOUGHTS, AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE IN QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING. SO, WE WILL HAVE ONE HERE TODAY. NOT ONE, NOT TWO, BUT THREE. WHEN HEARING , WE WILL TAKE ALL THESE EVIDENCE TOGETHER, AND CONSOLIDATE AT THE REQUEST OF MR. GIBBS AND THE APPLICANT. IT WILL BE DISCUSSED TOGETHER. AND THAT CONSOLIDATED RECORD IS LEGAL, IS LAWFUL, AND JUDGES EXCEPT THOSE ALL THE TIME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PARSED OUT FOR YOUR ANNEXATION OR FOR YOUR REZONING. SO, WE'LL TAKE IT ALTOGETHER LIKE WE DID AT THE PLANNING BOARD. THERE IS NO TIME LIMIT ON AFFECTED PARTIES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ? I WILL GO THROUGH LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN THE ORDER. ANY QUESTIONS?
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>> ANY QUESTIONS IN THE PROCEDURE?
>> I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. >> YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
PROCEDURES TONIGHT. >> YOU PARTAKE IN X
COMMUNICATION? >> YES. I DON'T MIND THAT JUST A MINUTE. THE ONE VOTE YOU WILL TAKE TONIGHT, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES, BUT I HAVE TO READ EACH TITLE . MY THOUGHT IS I CAN COME APPEAR, AND I CAN READ ALL THREE TITLES OF THE ORDINANCES, I CAN READ THEM AT THE END . THE RULE IS, DO YOU
HAVE A PREFERENCE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU ANNEX THE PROPERTY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, UP TO SIX MONTHS, IDENTIFY A FUTURE LAND USE MAP REZONING ISSUE, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. BUT YOU CAN. >> BUT YOU CAN. I STILL DO NOT KNOW IF YOU'RE LUMPING ALL THREE OF THESE, BECAUSE I SEE THESE ARE THREE VERY SEPARATE ISSUES. THEY ARE NOT INTERTWINED. ANNEXATION IS ONE THING, ANGELINA SOMETHING VERY DISTINCT, AND ZONING IS VERY DISTINCT. IN FACT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL THE IS, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WOULD GO INTO THE ADMINISTERED OF HEARING , AND THE ZONING WOULD
>> SO, WHY ARE WE COMBINING ALL THREE AGAIN?
>> BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE , AND IT COMES UP THAT IF WE SEPARATE INTO THREE HEARINGS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT, SO THE VOLUNTEER ANNEXATION, BUT IT IS ONLY THE REZONING THAT IS APPEALED. YOUR RECORD FROM THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION
DOES NOT COUNT. >> LIKE INTO --
>> WHY CAN'T YOU -- >> BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT IS FAIR TO THE ATTORNEY PUBLIC, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET ALL OF THEIR EVIDENCE IN FOR THE REZONING . BUT THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE ANNEXATION RECORD. IF I DO THEM SEPARATE,
THE RECORDS ARE SEPARATE. >> AND ASK HIM A QUESTION?
>> OF COURSE. >> WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST , AND WE HAVE DONE THE ANNEXATION LAND-USE MAP, WE TO SAY WE OFF THE RECORD FROM THE ANNEXATION HEARING WITH ALL THE
EVIDENCE OF THAT RECORD. >> YOU CAN DO THAT TOO. AND THEN YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT IT FOR THE REZONING?
>> YOU HAVE TO REPEAT IT. JUST A WE ADOPT THE EVIDENCE FROM
THE PROCEEDED HEARING. >> THIS IS NOT AN ADOPTION -- ANYWAYS. THAT'S FINE. THAT IS THE WAY THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS
WANTS IT, IT IS FINE. >> THE OTHER REASON YOU WOULD COMBINE THEM IS JUST FOR TIME SAKE. THIS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE ANXIOUS TO HEAR THIS! SO, I BELIEVE IT IS ANOTHER REASON TO DO IT. I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION. WHAT YOU GUYS THINK?
>> I WOULD LIKE THREE SEPARATE HEARINGS.
>> JUST HAVE THREE SEPARATE HEARINGS. THAT'S FINE. THAT IS FIND MEANING THAT IS FINE FOR THE COMMISSION, LEGALLY.
IT'S FINE WITH THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY, IT IS
FINE WITH PLANNING SEPARATE. >> OKAY. THEN WE WILL DO THIS THREE TIMES. FIRST OF ALL, LET'S WITH THE FIRST ITEM IN.
VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, 766, COURT.
>> ORDINANCE 2024-01 ANNEXING A PROXIMALLY 0.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 766 KIND OF COURT CONTAGIOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS, PROVIDING FOR SERVICEABILITY, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. BEFORE YOU OPEN THE QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING, WE NEED TO HAVE AN OATH DONE, AND WE WILL DO THAT AGAIN LATER DURING THE REZONING. WE WILL HAVE AN OATH, AND PLEASE MAKE SURE TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. THE ONLY PARTIES YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DISCUSSING TO MEDICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND CITY STAFF. NOT ME, JUST THE APPLICANT AND CITY STAFF. THAT IS THE ONLY COMMUNICATIONS WE NEED.
>> ABSOLUTELY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND SWEAR AND EVERYONE IN THE OATH OF OFFICE. IF YOU TEND TO PRESENT TONIGHT ONLY ON THIS ITEM, BECAUSE WE WILL DO THIS MULTIPLE TIMES NOW. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK DURING ITEM SEVEN POINT ONE, YOU NEED TO STAND UP AND GET SWORN IN AT THIS TIME. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK
DURING ITEM SEVEN POINT ONE? >> RAY'S RIGHT HAND, PLEASE? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ACTUAL STATEMENTS DURING THE PRESENTATIONS WHICH YOU ARE ABOUT TO PRESENT TO THIS COMMISSION DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE TRUTHFUL AND
>> THANK YOU. >> ARRAY, THANK YOU. LET'S GO INTO EX PARTE CAN INDICATION. LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER
ROSS. >> I MET WITH THE APPLICATION AT THE SITE YESTERDAY , TWO DAYS AGO , AND WE MET FOR ABOUT AN HOUR. WE DISCUSSED WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO THEIR , AND DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT FOR THE 20 OR 30 MINUTES. I ALSO MET WITH THE AFFECTED PARTY. THE OWNER THAT WAS ON THE STREET IS CURRENTLY SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE. I MET WITH HER AS WELL FOR 20 OR 30 MINUTES. THAT IS THE LEICA MUNICATION I HAVE
HAD. >> THANK YOU. LET'S GO AHEAD
GO TO COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE? >> I MET WITH THE APPLICANT AT THE PROPERTY , AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT.
>> TRAN EIGHT? >> I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER OF
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THE PROPERTY, AND DISCUSSED. >> THANK YOU. I ALSO DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE PROPERTY. LET'S JUMP ON THEM.
WE WILL NOW OPEN TO PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WILL START WITH GINA.
>> DON'T WE START OFF WITH THE STAFF PRESENTATION?
>> YES, WE WILL. MS. GINA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY. LET'S GO AHEAD HAVE MISS KELLY GIBSON COME
FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION.
I'M KELLY GIBSON WITH THE PLANNING CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT. I WILL TRY TO SPEAK LOUDER. THIS EVENING, THIS ITEM IS CONTEMPLATING ANNEXATION OF A PARCEL PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF KENNETH COURT , AND THE REQUESTED ANNEXATION WITH THE REQUEST TO INTENSITY AND WASTEWATER SERVICES FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY . THE REQUEST WOULD BE CONTIGUOUS WITH OTHER CITY PROPERTIES , AND DISNEY ALL OF THE CITY LANE DEVELOPING CODE , CONFERENCE OF PLANS, AND APPLICABLE FOR STATUTES TO BE ANNEXED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AS INDICATED TO THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED AS WELL, ALL OF THE BACK OF MATERIALS PROVIDED AND SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD FOR PURPOSES OF THIS HEARING TONIGHT , I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO INCLUDE THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR ALL PUBLIC SERVICES THAT ARE BEEN ANALYZED ARE ABLE TO MEET OR EXCEED EXISTING SERVICE STANDARDS. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO ADD. THAT IS FOR PURPOSES OF CLARIFYING THE RECORD IN THE APPLICATION REBECCA MATERIALS PROVIDED BY STAFF THIS EVENING , THE PLANNING ADVISOR BOARD MEETING MINUTES THAT WERE SUBMITTED INTO THE ALLMAN RECORD AND PUBLISH RECENTLY ARE IN ROUGH DRAFT FORM , AND WE ESTIMATE ADDITIONAL UPDATED DRAFT MEETING MINUTES TO BETTER REFLECT THE MOTIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. THOSE MOTIONS REFLECT THAT THE FIRST MOTION MADE, THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD DENIED THE APPLICATION IN TOTAL THE INEFFICIENTLY NEW ZONING ASSIGNMENT. A SUBSEQUENT MOTION WAS THEN MADE TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION , AND THEN TO ASSIGN A DIFFERENT LAND USE AND ZONING. STAFF SUPPORTS THE ANNEXATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION TO SUPPORT THE ANNEXATION COMPLEX.
>> EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYMORE STAFF REPORTS? COMMISSIONER ROSS COMEDY OF QUESTIONS?
>> YES, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. WE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CAN BE ANNEXED WITHOUT ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP REZONING, CORRECT?
>> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS IF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ANNEXED, AND THEN ASSIGNED TO YOU SO FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED , WHAT RECOURSE DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A THAT POINT? IN OTHER WORDS, WE ANNEX, AND WE GO ON TO ASSIGN A FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE ASKED FOR. THANK YOU.
>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON. THERE IS A DIFFERENT LAND USE AND ZONING. AT THIS POINT, THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED. AND IN THE RECORD REFLECTS THE CHANGES, AS WELL AS CONTEMPLATING OTHER LAND USE AND ZONING ASSIGNMENTS .
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT I AM ASKING IS WHAT'S WE ANNEX THEM IN, ARE THEY REQUIRED T■O STAY ANNEX EVEN IF HE PERTAINS
TO THE FUTURE LAND USE? >> I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A
LEGAL CHALLENGE? >> DANCING IF WE ANNEX IT , IF WE ANNEX THEM, THE CITY ANNEXES THE PROPERTY , WE ANNEX THEM AND ANSWER THE FUTURE LAND THIS APP IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTED, CAN THEY ON ANNEX THEMSELVES? THAT IS A
SUPERFUND WAY OF SAYING IT. >> THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO D ANNEX A PROPERTY THROUGH AN ORDINANCE PROCESS.
>> OKAY. ONCE WE HAVE ANNEXED THEM, IT IS A DONE DEAL.
>> EXCEPT THERE IS A 30 DAY ADOPTION AND SECOND READING TO CHALLENGE THE ORDINANCE AT WORK.
>> OKAY. >> WHAT IF THE LAND USE AND ZONING IS NOT APPLIED UNTIL LATER, THE ANNEXATION CHALLENGE HAS PASSED, AND THEN YOU ARE LEFT WITH YOUR CHALLENGES FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND
REZONINGS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. TO THE PROPERTIES , THE VACANT PROPERTIES, ARE THE BLIGHTED
PROPERTIES? >> THEY ARE UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES. NOT BLIGHTED, NO, THEY ARE VACANT.
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>> CURRENTLY, THERE ARE 14 IN KENNETH COURT?
>> I'M SORRY, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE YOU AT THE MICROPHONE.
>> MY POINT IS, THERE'LL 75 FEET IN WIDTH ?
>> I HAVE NOT ANALYZED ANYTHING BEYOND THE CURRENT PROPERTY.
ANNEXED, THE PROPERTY WOULD COME UNDER CITY RULE. CORRECT?
>> AND THERE ARE VERY FEW TREES OR TREES ON THE PROPERTY,
CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME
TREES ON THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. THERE IS NO AND VERY MENTAL SENSITIVE LANDS ON THE PROPERTY?
>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. >> OF VIENNA ANNEXED, THEY WOULD DEVELOP ON THE COUNTY RULES, CORRECT?
>> MOST LIKELY. >> THEY WILL HAVE THREE UNITS UNDER THE CURRENT COUNTY ROLE?
>> YES, SIR. >> HE TOLD THREE UNITS,
CORRECT? >> ARE YOU SURE THAT IS
CORRECT? >> UNDER THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION, I BELIEVE THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THREE TOTAL.
>> UNDER THE CURRENT SITE, THAT IS THREE. OTHERWISE I HAVE TO
>> THAT IS FINE. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, MISS GIBSON. COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE, ONE OF YOU GOT?
>> THANK YOU. SO, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ANNEXATION , THAT IS STRICTLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AS COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. IF WE ASSIGN A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORY , AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT HAPPY WITH THAT , WHAT IS THE RECOURSE FOR THE APPLICANT? FILE AGAINST THE CITY AND ITS ACTION.
>> WE CAN COME BACK ON THAT. >> OKAY. SO, YOU TAKE THEM SEPARATELY , THE ANNEXATIONS ARE ALREADY IN THE CITY, AND THE TIME PERIOD TO CHALLENGE THE ANNEXATION HAS PASSED AFTER 30 DAYS. NOW, THEY ARE IN THE CITY. IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, WE CHANGED ZONING ON A PROPERTY, AND WE HAVE. IN FACT, WE HAD TO MATCHUP ZONING AND FLU MAPS. THERE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE. THIS IS NOT ALSO THE PROPERTY. WE INVITE THEM TO A HEARING, THERE IS REZONING APPLICATION IN FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS WITHOUT THE HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS APPLYING FOR OR CONSENTING . IN THIS HEARING ROOM IS WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER GETS TO FIRST MAKE THEIR CHALLENGE TO THOSE ACTIONS , AND THEN, AT THE END OF THEIR FLORIDA STATUTES, CHALLENGING THE CONFERENCE OF AMENDMENT IS HOW YOU DO THAT, AND THERE IS R DOING THAT . FOR THERE IS A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD FOR CHALLENGING THE REZONING TO, WHETHER YOU CHALLENGE THE QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS THAT HAPPENED AT FIRST READING, HOW WE DO IT . THERE'S A COUPLE OF AVENUES FOR CHALLENGING REZONING. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> I THINK SO, YES. >> OKAY. BOTH QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED. COMMISSIONER AYSCHUE?
>> ONE LAST QUESTION, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS 0.92 ACRES?
>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT , ANY FURTHER REPORTS ? I BELIEVE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PROPERTY
OWNER IS HERE AS WELL. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM WILLIAM GIBBS WITH THE OFFERING, 1617 , JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I THINK THE PURPOSES FOR JUST THE ANNEXATION, WE ARE FINE RELYING ON THE STAFF REPORT A REITERATE THAT CITY SERVICES WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIRED LEVEL SERVICE .
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME IF WE NEED TO GET INTO MORE ISSUES THAT MAYBE WEREN'T APPROPRIATE IN THE NEXT TWO AGENDA ITEMS,
I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY
>> OKAY, COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO SOMEBODY . THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.
THAT'S FROM YOUR LAW FIRM ON DECEMBER 5TH, 2023. HAVE A
COUPLE QUESTIONS WITH THAT. >> YES, SIR.
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>> ON PAGE TWO, AS IS OBJECTIVE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONFERENCE OF PLAN ONE .04. IT IS IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO REDUCE THE LIGHT . HOW IS THE CITY ANNEX IN THE
PROPERTY TO REDUCE BLIGHT? >> I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF BLIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, AND I DID NOT WRITE THE LETTER. BUT, IT IS A VACANT PROPERTY . IT IS OVERGROWN. I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNT AS BLIGHT OR NOT, BUT IT WOULD COUNT.
CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ] PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE?
>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CITY. OVERALL. AND IT WILL GET RID OF UNDEVELOPED THAT WILL PROVIDE HOUSING FOR THE CITY RESIDENTS. IT WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY. SO IT WILL BE ON CITY WATER AND SEWER AND NOT ON SEPTIC AND WELLS . IT COULD HAVE OTHER BENEFITS, BUT THOSE ARE MAIN ONES.
>> HOW IS IT GOING TO PROMOTE THE QUALITY OF LIFE?
>> IT'S A CITY OBJECTIVE. WE'RE TRYING TO COME INTO THE CITY TO THE CITY OBJECTIVES. NOT NECESSARILY EVERY SINGLE
RESIDENT . >> SO OBJECTIVE 1.03 NATIONAL RESEARCH PROTECTION, IT SAYS AND I'M CODING, BY ANNEXING , IT WILL DECREASE THE NEED TO BUILD HOUSING IN KERN UNDEVELOPED AREAS. HOW'S THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?
>> >> IF WE ARE ABLE TO BUILD MORE HOUSES HERE ON KENNETH COURT , THEN IT CREATES MORE HOUSING AND LESS STRESS AND BURDEN ON OTHER AREAS WHERE
HOUSING COULD GO. >> YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE SIGN
I TAKE IT QUESTION MARK >> I'VE DRIVEN BY.
>> YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE ON KENNETH
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, EACH ONE 70 FEET WIDE? OR 100 FEET
QUESTION MARK >> I THINK CLOSER TO 100, NOT SURE IF THEY ARE EXACTLY UNIFORM.
>> SO 100 FEET WIDE? >> APPROXIMATELY.
>> AND 14 LOTS, 11 LOTS ARE OCCUPIED BY SINGLE?
>> NO. AT LEAST ONE LOT IS A GARAGE HOUSE STORAGE TYPE BUILDING. BUT BASICALLY THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET IS SINGLE HOMES ON 100 FOOT LOTS?
>> OF THE REMAINING LOTS , YES.
>> OKAY THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> WAIT A SECOND. THERE COULD BE MORE QUESTIONS.
>> COULD BE. I THINK WE ARE FINE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> WE ALL NOW GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THE NEXT PARTY IS THE INTERVENER.
>> WE DO HAVE ONE. >> WE INVITE THAT INTERVENER TO COME IN SPEAK. - - AND SPEAK.
>> HI, THERE. MY NAME IS VANESSA STAMP, VA AND Z EA.
FOR THE RECORD. MY HOMESTEAD IS LOCATED - - I WAS GOING TO
REFER TO SOME SLIDES TO USE. >> IF YOU WANT TO REFER TO THE SLIDES, - - OTHERWISE IT WON'T .
>> HOW DO WE DO THAT ? THIS IS NOT MINE.
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>> YES. >> YOU SUBMITTED SEVERAL
THINGS? >> IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED TO
SEE? >> DO YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT I SENT TODAY? I JUST ADDED MORE PHOTOS TO IT.
>> OKAY. SO MY PROPERTY IS LOCATED TWO PARCELS WEST OF 766 KENNETH COURT . IT IS ADVERSELY AFFECT DID THAN THE
COMMUNITY AT LARGE . >> WE NEED YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE
RECORD AS WELL. >> VANESSA STEPS, 744 KENNETH
COURT. >> MY PARCEL IS TO PARCEL WEST OF 766 KENNETH COURT. MORE ADVERSELY AFFECTED THAN COMMUNITY AT LARGE DUE TO LOCATION. I DID REQUEST TO INTERVENE AS AN EFFECTIVE PARTY. SO MY , I LIVE IN THE INCORPORATED PART OF FERNANDINA AND LIVED THERE FOR NINE YEARS NOW. THIS IS TWO PARCELS TO THE WEST . A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF AND BACHELORS OF SCIENCE OF A HORTICULTURE NEIGHBORS IN FLORIDA AND I HAVE BEEN SETTING THE LOCAL ENVIRONMENT FOR 20 YEARS RIGHT HERE ON AMELIA ISLAND. MY HUSBAND IS A LOCAL THIRD-GENERATION CAPTAIN. MY HIS FAMILY IS LIVED AND SAINT SIMONS AND AMELIA ISLAND FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. WE CHOSE KENNETH COURT AS A FOREVER HOME, WE CHOSE IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE COUNTY OF AMELIA ISLAND WHERE HE WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE BOTH BOAT RAMPS FOR WORK PURPOSES. A SMALL COTTAGE ON A PARCEL, THIRD PICK UP PARCEL WILL GIVE US PLENTY OF ROOM TO PARK AND REPAIR BOATS.
OUR VEHICLES AND WORK TRAILERS WITHOUT VIOLATION FOR THE CITY RULES FOR PARKING BOATS IN THE DRIVEWAY WHEN NEEDED DURING OUR REPAIRS. THE DEAD-END STREETS APPEALED TO ME AS I KNEW THERE WOULD BE NO THROUGH TRAFFIC , NO SPEEDING AND MINIMAL TRAFFIC IS ONLY FOR PARCELS TO THE WEST OF ME THOUGH IS A DEAD-END COURT. THIS GAVE ME A SENSE OF SAFETY FOR MY CHILDREN. TO THE SOUTH OF ME AND RV AND BOAT STORAGE EXIST. I FIND IT VERY QUIET AS THERE'S NO OPERATIONS AT NIGHT . BEFORE I PURCHASED MY HOME, I VISITED THE PROPERTY AT ALL HOURS OF EACH WEEK DAY, INCLUDING WEEKENDS. SO I COULD NO WHAT TO EXPECT LIVING THERE. I EVEN VISITED IT WHEN IT RAINED TO SEE IF ANY FLOODING OCCURRED AND IT DID NOT. THE AIR PLANE NOSES DO NOT BOTHER ME AS THE WHITE ONES DOES NOT OVERPOWER THE BIRDS SINGING AND THE PALMS IN THE TREES WRESTLING IN THE WIND. OUR RESEARCH THE CURRENT ZONING NOT ONLY KENNETH COURT BUT THE SURROUNDING LOTS AND THEIR ZONING WAS ACCEPTABLE TO ME. I KNEW 766 KENNETH COURT WAS A SINGLE HOMESTEAD THAT WAS ALREADY PLATTED TO THREE PARCELS OF 100 FOOT LOTS . ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY'S CURRENT ORDINANCE, ARTICLE 10, RESIDENTIAL MAKES, RN DEFINITION STATES, WHAT INITIAL BOUNDARY LINES FOR THESE DISTRICTS ARE ESTABLISHED ABOUT NO ADDITIONAL RN DISTRICT SHALL BE CREATED FOR ANY EXISTING RN DISTRICT BOUNDARIES IN LARGE OR EXTENDED. SO HOW DO I GO TO THE NEXT PAGE? I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE. DO YOU CONTROL THAT?
>> OKAY I AM LOOKING AT THE NASSAU COUNTY 2030 CONFERENCE OF PLAN JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE . IT SAYS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL 23 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY AT AND ALL THE LOTS ON KENNETH COURT RIGHT NOW ARE 100 FOOT .
NO LESS. AND THEN AGAIN, I AM LOOKING AT THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, ARTICLE 10, NO ADDITIONAL RN DISTRICT SHALL BE CREATED OR LARGER EXTENDED. THIS INDICATED THAT NO MORE THAN THREE HOMES WILL BE BILLED ON THIS STREET AND I WAS OKAY WITH THE ASSOCIATED TRAFFIC. RESIDENTIAL MAKES ZONING ONLY MEANT THAT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES OR MOBILE HOMES COULD BE CONSTRUCTED AND I WAS OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL. ONE THING, ALTHOUGH LOTS HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT THEY ARE ALL 100 FOOT LOTS. IF YOU REFER TO A LETTER ADDRESSED TO CLOONEY
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INVESTMENTS, DATED NOVEMBER 16, 2023 FROM NOZZLE COUNTY PLANNER ANDREW, YOU WILL SEE HE STATES, IN SUM, BASICALLY, I HIGHLIGHTED SIX APPROXIMATELY 50 FOOT , HE WROTE 13 BUT HE MEANT 130 FOOT. PARCELS PROPERTY 193 ACRES, THIS IS CONSIDERED AN ILLEGAL SUBDIVISION OF LAND AND IT GOES TO SAY, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT BUILDING SIDES R RATED TO THE LOCAL COULD BE DENIED. EACH USES ANY AN APPLICATION'S UNIFORM. AND THEN THERE'S A PICTURE OF A PARCEL SO THAT IS ONE ACRE HOMESTEAD. AND THEN BELOW THAT , YOU'LL SEE THAT IT APPEARS THAT THEY HAVE APPLICANTS SUBDIVIDED IT INTO SIX AND RECEIVED A NOTICE FROM THE COUNTY SAYING IT IS ILLEGALLY SUBDIVIDED BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE REGULATIONS. AND THEN IN THIS MEMORANDUM, OCTOBER 19, TO CLOONEY INVESTMENTS, ALSO FROM ANDREW GOES ON TO DETAIL WHAT RM MEANS AND THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. I JUST PUT THAT THERE FOR YOUR REFERENCES. THE NEXT PAGE SHOWS, THREE, 100 FOOT PARCELS. THAT'S WHAT ALWAYS BEEN THERE AND THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT. WHEN I MOVED THERE. IT APPEARS THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD THAT THE SIX LOTS IS CONSIDERED AN ILLEGAL LAND SPLIT AND THE SPLIT HAS CAUSED A BOUNDARY LINE EXTENDING THROUGH AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, THAT IT CREATES A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE. THEY DECIDED TO APPLY FOR ANNEXATION TO AVOID THE RE-PLAT PROCESS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 29 OF NASSAU COUNTY COUNTY COURT ORDINANCES WILL WHERE IT WILL BE DENIED THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN THE RM WHICH IS 75 FOOT FRONT LOTS. AGAIN, THEY ARE ALL 100 AND THE RM WILL NOT BE EXTENDED TO CAUSE ANOTHER LOT . ON APRIL 13, 2023, A PERMIT WAS ISSUED TO CLOONEY INVESTMENTS LLC FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE THE SINGLE FAMILY COTTAGE HOME. THIS HOME SET IN BETWEEN PARCELS ONE AND THREE, EXCUSE ME, THREE AND TWO, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DIVISION AND THEY GOT A PERMIT . HOWEVER, THE PERMIT HAS EXPIRED SINCE NO PREVIOUS POST INSPECTION HAS BEEN SCHEDULED BY THE APPLICANT. ON JUNE 2023 I WATCHED IN HORROR AS THE COTTAGE HOME AT 766 WAS DEMOLISHED. I WATCHED DEBRIS FLYING IN THE WIND AND I THOUGHT ABOUT ASBESTOS PARTICLES LANDING ON FURNISHINGS. I INQUIRED ABOUT THE PERMIT WITH THE COUNTY AS SHOWN IN THE EMAIL MEMO APRIL GREGORY WHERE SHE CONFIRMS THE PERMIT HAS EXPIRED. ON FEBRUARY 1, 2024, HOLLY GRAFF RESPOND FOR CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE APPLICANT STATEMENT ON THEIR LETTER OF INTENT DATED DECEMBER 5TH, 2023 WHERE THEY STATE, AT THE BOTTOM, ON THE FIRST PAGE, IT SAYS, THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DIVIDED INTO SIX LOTS BY THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE DUE TO MISCOMMUNICATION AND CONFUSION AROUND THE CITIES ANNEXATION PROCESS. THE PRPERTY WAS REVERTED BACK TO PRIOR CONFIGURATION AND SEPARATED 300 LOTS. TO ME, I THOUGHT IT ODD, WAS IT THE COUNTY'S FALL THE WHERE THEY TRIED TO SUBDIVIDE THE SIX WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE RE-PLATTING PROCESS ? I DON'T KNOW, I QUESTION THAT THAT I SHOWED THE PERMIT AND THEN APRIL'S EMAIL , HOLLY'S EMAIL, WHERE SHE LISTED THE TIMELINE OF EVENTS AS WELL.AFTER SHE DOES HER OWN RESEARCH. THERE IS A LETTER OF INTENT. I THEN GO ON , THE PROPERTY CONTINUE HAS ONE WELL AND WENT SEPTIC TANK AND QUALIFIED TO ADD MORE BRAND-NEW SEPTIC AND WELLS TO SERVICE THE HOMES. SINCE THE ADDITIONAL , I AM JUST GOING TO READ ALL THREE ALL THIS. IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME FOR THE NEXT TWO ORDINANCES. I DID NOT
SEPARATE THIS OUT. >> YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE
WORLD. >> SINCE THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAKESIDE HOMES OFF ON THE ROAD AND THE BEACHES DERMATOLOGY OF THE PARKWAY HAS COMMENCED, I HAVE SEEN PROGRESSIVELY INCREASED FLOODING ON NOT ONLY MY LOT, BUT MY NEIGHBORS ON KENNETH AND THE RIGHT OF WAYS AMELIA
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ROAD. TAKE A LOOK AT THE PHOTO THAT I SUBMITTED, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER BECAUSE I WAS IN HASTE WHEN I SUBMITTED THESE BECAUSE I WAS ORIGINALLY TOLD TAMMI BACH AND - - THAT I WAS NOT CONSIDERED AN AFFECTED PART OF PARTY SINCE I WAS A COUNTY RESIDENT. AFTER COMMUNICATION BY EMAIL, A RESOLUTION 2017 - - 74 REGARDING CROSS EYED JUDICIAL HEARING, TAMMY THAT SAID THAT SHE DOES NOT OBJECT TO ME. I FIND IS IMPORTANT FOR THE RECORD IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE OTHER COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THESE ANNEXATIONS . I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN SPEAK.SO THEN I ADDED THAT DEFINITIONS AND RESOLUTIONS I QUOTED THERE SO THEN WE CAN GO TO THE PROVIDED EMAILS BETWEEN TAMMY AND VICTORIA AND MYSELF. AND THEN I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE FIRST PHOTO.
>> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? YOU WANT THIS PRESENTATION
INCLUDED IN THE RECORD ? >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THANK YOU. >> THIS FIRST PHOTO, 744 KENNETH COURT, MY HOME. THE PLATTING TO THE WEST OF MY HOME. THIS IS A RECENT PHOTO. I SENT , I LIVE HERE NINE YEARS AND PROPERTY HAD NEVER FLOODED. I HAVE SEEN IT FLOOD SINCE THE BUILDING OF THE - - AND THIS WAS A REGULAR FLORIDA STORM. THE NEXT PICTURE IS 758 KENNETH COURT WHICH IS TO MY EAST OF MY PROPERTY. DATED JULY 28, 2023. AGAIN ANOTHER REGULAR STORM. YOU COULD SEE, THEY HAVE A LARGE DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN A BIT OF GRASS NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY UP. ON EITHER SIDE . IT'S COMPLETELY UNDERWATER. THE NEXT PHOTO IS A PICTURE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT I SHARE WITH THAT GARAGE, THE LAST PHOTO WAS OF THE GARAGE. THAT'S AT 758 AND 744 KENNETH COURT. SAME DATE, SAME STORM, THE RIGHT OF WAYS ARE FLOODING.
THEY ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I WANT TO MENTION THAT IN THE TIME I HAVE LIVED THERE, IT'S ONLY MOST RECENTLY THAT I'VE SEEN THIS FLOODING IN THE DITCHES AND IT HAS TAKEN WEEKS FOR THEM TO EMPTY AND THAT AGAIN HAS NEVER HAPPENED. THE NEXT PHOTO IS 732 KENNETH COURT . THIS IS THE FLOODING WEST OF MY PROPERTY. THIS IS THE NEXT PROPERTY NEXT TO ME. YOU CAN SEE FLOODING ON THE CONCRETE AND A BIT ON THE GRASS. IT WAS ALL LOW. I COULD NOT GET THE WHOLE PICTURE THE NEXT PHOTO IS DATED JANUARY 21ST, 2024. THIS IS THE BEACHES DERMATOLOGY PROPERTY ON FAMILIAR ROAD RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. THIS IS THE AGGRAVATING IT IS ONLY AGGRAVATING THE DRAINAGE ISSUE WE'RE HAVING IN THE FLOODING.
THAT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT MY PROPERTY. AND THEN THE NEXT PHOTO IS FLOODING AT 766 KENNETH COURT, DECEMBER 17, 2023 YOU CAN SEE FLOODING IN THEIR PROPERTY AS WELL. THE NEXT PHOTO IS SIDEWAYS. DATED NUMBER 26, 2023. I WILL HOLD IT SO YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER. THIS IS THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY. I HAD TO GRADE IT, REGRADE IT BECAUSE THE FLOODING WAS GOING UNDERNEATH MY HOUSE. MY SOLUTION TO THAT WAS TO CREATE AS WELL IN THE BACKYARD FOR ALL THE WATER TO GO THROUGH. IT WORKS, NOT GREAT. I WANT TO ENJOY ASIDE WHAT YARD AND MOSQUITOES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AGAIN, THIS HAS NEVER HAVE UNTIL THIS YEAR. SO I BELIEVED ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND ME IS CAUSING THE ISSUE. LDC 4.0 0.03 STATES ALL DEVELOPERS SHALL BE DESIGNED TO AVOID UNNECESSARY IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVER TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCESS TO LOTS AND SIGNS AND TO AVOID ADVERSE ATTACKS OF SHADOW, GLARE, TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ON KENNETH COURT. I DID NOT ADD A MAP OF KENNETH COURT HERE. IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU KNOW IT'S DEAD-END ROAD. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THERE'S NO TURNAROUND AT THIS ROUTE, IT'S AN OLD ROAD. ONE
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OF THE EARLIEST PHONES FROM THE 1940S. WHEN GARBAGE TRUCKS, FIRE TRUCKS AND ALL THE BIG VEHICLES COME IN, THEY HAVE TWO BACK IN OUR BACK OUT. I FEEL THAT ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES IS GOING TO AGGRAVATE NOT MORE. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO PREVENT AT WORST EFFECTS OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THE CORNER OF AMELIA ROAD AND KENNETH COURT. I THINK THE WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC, BUT THERE LANDSCAPE, DEBRIS PICKUP, LIKE GARBAGE PICKUP, PACKAGE DELIVERIES OR FROM FEDEX AND UPS ALL NEED TO BACK IN AND OUT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM FOR TURNAROUND. PARTICULARLY, FIRE TRUCKS. THAT MEANS THAT THEY WILL BE BACKING UP TRAFFIC NOT JUST ON KENNETH COURT, BUT ALSO AMELIA ROAD. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS A STEEP ON KENNETH COURT. VEHICLES WILL HAVE TO PARK ON THE ROAD TO SERVICE HOMES. FORCING US TO GO AROUND THEM INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON KENNETH COURT. AND AMELIA ROAD. FROM KENNETH COURT TO AMELIA ROAD. THERE'S CURRENTLY IMPROVEMENTS WITH ELECTRIC POLES. WHEN THERE ARE TRUCKS PARKED ON KENNETH COURT, I HAVE TO PRAY AND DRIVE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND PRAY THAT SOMEONE TURNING INTO KENNETH COURT WILL SEE ME BEFORE THEY MAKE A TURN. ADDITIONALLY, IT CREATES A BLIND SPOT FOR US ON KENNETH COURT FROM THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC COMING FROM FAMILIAR PARKWAY AND ROAD. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF THERE WERE WHEN THERE ARE TRUCKS PARKED IN FRONT OF 766 CAN COURT. IT'S THE ONLY EXIT THERE. THAT'S WHY I HAVE A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY INCREASE IS WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. IT WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE DENSITY AND TRAFFIC WHERE THERE'S CURRENTLY NO SIDEWALK MAKING IT UNSAFE TO WALK TO THE BAG PATHS. - - BIKE PATHS. THE NEXT PHOTO ARE SOME GARAGES. I WANT TO MENTION THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE THE LARGE GARAGE IS . THE PROPERTY TO MY EAST IS THE LARGE GARAGE.BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AT 3127 AMELIA ROAD AND ONE AT 171 KENNETH COURT. THERE'S ONE BUILT IN FRONT OF ME AT 745 KENNETH COURT. THAT'S REALLY PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THAT STREET. WHICH WOULD MAKE 50 FRONT FOOT LOT'S SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES EXTREMELY OUT OF CARE HER. THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET IS IN A POST, ADORABLE BUNGALOWS WITH OLD SOUTHERN CHARM SUCH AS PORCHES AND DRIVEWAYS AND RECREATIONAL GARAGE IS VEHICLES THAT THE LIFESTYLE OF THE SHERMAN, CAR ENTHUSIAST, SURFERS AND NATURALISTS. IT MAY NOT APPEAL TO YOU, BUT TO US, IT'S PERFECTION. THE BUNGALOW HOMES HAD MANY WINDOWS WHICH ALLOW US TO SEE IN EVERY DIRECTION OF THE YARD AND ALLOW FOR THE ISLAND BREEZE TO AIR OUT OUR HOMES WHEN THE WEATHER IS RIGHT. I CAN RECOGNIZE EVERY CAR COMING DOWN THE ROAD WHEN I'M WASH MY DISHES IN THE KITCHEN AND IT BRINGS ME A SENSE OF SAFETY TO KNOW WHO'S COMING THERE. THE INCREASE IN DENSITY WOULD ONLY CREATE A DOMINO EFFECT. AND THEN I HAVE THE PHOTOS OF THE GARAGES THAT I REFERENCED. I HAVE PICTURES OF SOME COUNTY PROPERTY THAT IS DIRECTLY EAST OF 766 KENNETH COURT WHICH IS , LOOKS LIKE FARMLAND TO ME. THIS IS WHERE THE GUY HAS A GARDEN PLOT THAT HE'S OUT THERE EVERY SEASON GROWING HIS VEGETABLES.
AND AGAIN, IT LOOKS NOTHING LIKE 50 FRONT FOOT LOT HOMES.
THIS WILL CREATE A DOMINO EFFECT FOR OTHER NON-HOMESTEADERS TO CLEAR THE LAND OF PLANTS AND TREES ARE CELEBRATED IN THE SOUTHERN CULTURE. I REFERENCED CAMILLE YES AND AZALEAS AND PECAN TREES BECAUSE THOSE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A STAPLE IN THE SOUTHERN GARDEN . PARTICULARLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE EASY TO GROW HERE. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL. AND THEY ARE BROUGHT HERE A LONG TIME AGO BY ONE - - WHO HAD THE GARDEN ON THE SOUTH END, RENOWNED LEADER. AND THAT ACTUALLY HAS CAMELLIAS AND AZALEAS ON THERE. SAME THING WITH THE AZALEAS. YOU WILL SEE THOSE ON KENNETH COURT AS WELL.
ON 783 KENNETH COURT. THERE ARE TWO PECAN PROPERTIES AT THE PROPERTY AS WELL. I HAVE A PECAN TREE ON MY PROPERTY. 766 KENNETH COURT HAS OR PECAN TREES. THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THERE. BUT TO THE UNTRAINED EYE, YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THAT.
THERE'S A CEDAR TREE, OAK TREE, CRATE MYRTLES, TONS OF
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TREES. THEY ARE DORMANT RIGHT NOW, MOST ARE DECIDUOUS AND THEY MAY APPEAR DEAD, BUT THEY ARE NOT. YOU WILL SEE MANY PECAN TREES, AND THE CAMELLIAS AND AZALEAS. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO RECOGNIZE THEM. THIS TREE REPRESENTS THE WORKING CLASS OF FERNANDINA WHICH ARE STAPLED TO THE ECONOMY AND WE ARE BEING DISPLACED BY OVERDEVELOPMENT AND INCREASED HOUSING PRICES. WE NEED THE GREEN WORK VEHICLES AND LARGE LAND PARCELS ARE BECOMING SCARCE ON THE ISLAND.FOR OTHERS WHO NEED THAT SPACE TO PARK THEIR BUSINESS ASSETS.
IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT ON A 50 FRONT LOT SMALLER HOMES DO NOT EQUAL AFFORDABLE. I SUSPECT THAT THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE LONG-TERM RENTALS OR SECOND HOMES. KENNETH COURT ME NEEDS IS MORE HOMESTEADERS AND THE CURRENT THIRD ACRE PARCELS WITH 100 FOOT LOTS ARE IDEAL FOR FAMILIES MOVING INTO THE AREA. I PURCHASED MY HOME FOR THE ORIGINAL STATE OWNERS WHO TOLD ME THEIR FATHER WAS A SHRIMP OR AND MY NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO PASSED AWAY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, EXPLAINED TO ME, SHE WAS A BARTENDER AT THE SALOON AND REMEMBERS SERVING ALL THE MEN IN THE SHIPPING INDUSTRY UPON THE RETURN FROM THE SEA. THESE VERBAL STORIES AND THESE PARCELS ARE PART OF THE HISTORICAL HERITAGE OF THE BOOMING SHRIMPING INDUSTRY THAT DRAWS TOURISTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO FERNANDINA BEACH.
THE TREES, FLOWERS, DRIVEWAYS, BUNGALOWS ALL HOLD HER STORY TO BE EXPLORED AND CELEBRATED AND CARRY ON A SENSE OF PLACE THAT ONCE WAS AND WILL NEVER BE AGAIN. LDC 1.001 G AND H STATES THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ADOPTED FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPLEMENTING IN FOR THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND IS INTENDED TO BALANCE THE INTEREST OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHICH IS MYSELF, WITH THAT OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
AND TO PROTECT WHERE NECESSARY PRESERVE VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND WATER RESOURCES WILD HABITATS, AND THREATENING ENDANGERED SPECIES . I HIGHLIGHT THE WORD LIMITED. WE ARE NOT LIMITED TO THAT. THAT MEANS THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THIS A CAN TREES AND THESE CAMELLIAS IF ORDINANCE 2024 - - 01 2024 THE 02 AND 2020 OR-03 ARE APPROVED, NOT ONLY WILL YOU AT THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF KENNETH COURT, IT WILL AFFECT EVERY COUNTRY PARCEL WITH 100 FOOT LOTS ON AMELIA ISLAND THAT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY AND HOMOGENIZE HOMES WILL BE PREVALENT ALL OVER THE ISLAND.
I URGE YOU TO DENY ALL THREE OF THEM. THAT'S IT.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. STUBBS? THANK YOU. ESTHER
ROSCOE. >> YOUR TESTIMONY IS ALLOWING ANNEXED IN THE CITY WHERE THEY CAN HAVE MORE LIVES AND THAT WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER.
>> THAT'S CORRECT >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE,, THANK YOU SO MUCH, APPRECIATE YOU BEING
HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. WE GET TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW. IF WE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL IT MS. GINA THE PULPIT.
>> WE ARE READY FOR IT >> I DO. PLEASE ADDRESS AND
NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> GINA - - 765 KENNETH COURT. I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT USED TO BE MS. MUSIC'S HOUSE UNTIL IT GOT KNOCKED DOWN WHICH IS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY RAISE THE HOUSE. I WAS TOLD THAT ORIGINALLY THE SON-IN-LAW TRIED TO BUY IT AND HAVE IT MOVED BUT THEY DENIED THE OWNERS DENIED HIM THAT PRIVILEGE. SO THEY KNOCKED IT DOWN. SHE KIND OF SAID EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE , BUT I DO WANT THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH ANNEXING BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE ANNEXING IS FOR JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF CITY SERVICES. I BELIEVE THAT THEY ANNEX IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET YOU GUYS TO CHANGE THE ZONING. TWO SMALL LOTS. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT I DOUBT IT. I ALSO HAVE HAD , SINCE LAKESIDE, WAS BUILT, ACTUALLY, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, MY LOT FLOODS WORSE THAN THAT. I HAD TO BUY RAIN BOOTS. THE PLASTIC BOOTS. I HAD TO PUT THOSE ON TO WORK OUT OF MY HOUSE. I HAVE TO SAY I DON'T LIVE IN A COTTAGE. I RENT A DOUBLE WIDE MOBILE HOME AND THANK GOD BECAUSE IT'S FOUR FOOT OFF THE GROUND. IF IT WASN'T, I WOULD BE SPENDING EVERY DAY WHEN IT RAINS. WE GET HALF A RING INCH OF RAIN AND I HAVE FOOT OF RAIN TWO THIRDS OF THE PARTIES FLOODED AND IT NEVER WAS LIKE THAT WHEN I MOVED THERE. I'VE BEEN THERE EIGHT, NINE YEARS.
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IT'S GOTTEN WORSE. MY CONCERN, ONE OF THEM, WHEN WE TAKE THAT PROPERTY AND PUT ALL THAT CONCRETE , WHERE'S ALL THE WATER GOING TO GO NOW? DOING THE BEACHES DERMATOLOGY IN THE CORNER, YOU WILL TAKE THAT PIECE AND COVER THAT. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO THEN? I WILL HAVE TO BUY A BOAT TO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD ANNEX IT. I'M AGAINST IT AND I AM TO GO FORWARD, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THE SAME THING, I AM AGAINST CHANGING THE ZONING BECAUSE YOU BUY SOMETHING, THAT'S THE WAY YOU BUY IT , YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING, YOU DON'T BUY A KEY AND THEN GO TO MERCEDES AND SAY I WANT TO CHANGE THE MERCEDES BECAUSE I REALLY WANTED A MERCEDES, BUT ALL I COULD OF HEARD WAS KIA.IT'S A GAME. IT'S NOT RIGHT. I'M DONE.
>> THANK YOU. >> NO QUESTIONS POLICE.
>> IT'S AN EASY QUESTION. >> YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND
>> IT'S YOUR TESTIMONY THAT BY ANNEXING THE CITY IS GOING TO CHANGE HOW THE LIGHTS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
>> ABSOLUTELY. REMEMBER, I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. I DON'T KNOW IF HE DIDN'T KENNETH COURT. I'M SURE YOU HAVE. DEAD ENDS, TO HEAR THE DOGS FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY EVERY MORNING WHEN THEY GET FED AT 7:00 IT'S REALLY QUIET STREET. AND BEING A SINGLE PERSON , I FEEL SAFE THERE. I LEFT MY DOOR UNLOCKED PLENTY OF TIMES BY ACCIDENT. I WOULDN'T ADVISE ANYBODY COMING IN ON ME BUT JUST SAYING. SO IT'S A REALLY NICE, QUIET, NOBODY KNOWS IT'S THERE KIND OF STREET. NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT EVENTUALLY, PUTTING SIX LITTLE HOUSES THERE OR HOW BIG THEY ARE, I DON'T KNOW, THEY ALL BECOME THE COMING OUT ON KENNETH COURT. I HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE COMING UP. BY THE WAY, THERE'S NOT 14 HOUSES THERE. THERE'S ONLY EIGHT ALTOGETHER AND THEN THE BIG STORAGE WHERE THERE'S A BOAT THAT IS STORED
IN THERE. >> THERE MIGHT BE 14 LOTS.
THERE ARE NO HOUSES. ONE IS NOT NOW. THEY BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE. THEY ARE PUTTING A MOBILE HOME, LIKE A TWO PIECE.
I HAVE COUNTED THEM. IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A STREET.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU DONE? CAN I GO HOME
>> WE APPRECIATE YOU. >> HI, I'M LORI HENKE. SEVEN ONE BERINGER DRIVE FERNANDINA BEACH. 30234. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. I WAS GOING TO DO TWO PRESENTATIONS LIKE ONE, WE BORDER KENNETH COURT.
WE'RE THEIR NEIGHBORS. I WAS GOING TO DO TWO PRESENTATIONS.
ONE ABOUT THE ANNEXATION AND ONE ABOUT THE OTHER TWO. BUT I
COULD DO IT ALTOGETHER. >> COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. WE ARE DOING MULTIPLES. YOU CAN JUST DO THE ANNEXATION AND COME BACK UP AND DO SOMETHING ELSE.
>> OKAY, I WILL DO THAT. THANK YOU. SECOND, I LIVE ON BARRINGTON DRIVE AND YOU POSSIBLY DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS OF KENNETH COURT I AM REQUESTING THAT YOU DENY ANNEXATION FOR THE 766 KENNETH COURT TO FERNANDINA BEACH. AND I THINK I HAVE TO SHARE THAT I AM USUALLY IN TO SUPPORT ANNEXATION. I'M USUALLY THE ONE STANDING HERE SAYING, GO AHEAD AND DO IT , BECAUSE I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SHORT AND LONG TERM EFFECTS OF SEPTIC TANKS. ON BARRINGTON, WE EXPERIENCED SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH SUB TANKS WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN NOT CARE FOR HER OR AS OTHERS SAID, IT IMPACTS THE LAKESIDE COMMUNITY ALSO. IMPACTED IS HEAVILY. IN TERMS OF FLOODING. WE'RE NOT TOTALLY SURE WHERE ALL THE SEPTIC TANK ISSUES COME FROM, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A BIG EXPERIENCE. WE'VE HAD ONE FISH KILL AND WE KNOW WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHEMICALS FROM ALL THE RUNOFF. TONIGHT, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU SAW SOME OF THE PICTURES , I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE INADEQUATE
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STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE BEEN WITNESSING. YOU COULD SEE IT. IT STARTED WHEN SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION STARTED. ON THE CORNER OF AMELIA ROAD AND AMELIA PARKWAY.BUT IT HAS JUST KEEPS GETTING WORSE. THE WATER ONCE 24-7 FROM THAT LOT AND TO ALL THE DRAIN SYSTEMS. YOU CAN SEE IT ON AMELIA ROAD. YOU CAN SEE IT ON AMELIA PARKWAY. WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAD BEEN SEEN READING EMAILS, CALLING, WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT IT NEEDS SOME MORE COMPLEX APPROACH. IN TERMS OF AN END SO JUST ALLOWING THIS PROPERTY IN, WITHOUT DEALING WITH THE BIG SYSTEM AND THE BIG ISSUE IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU DOWN THE ROAD , IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP US DOWN THE ROAD. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE IS THAT AT BARRINGTON, IT'S AT THE LOWEST LEVEL. ALL THAT WATER IS FLOWING THROUGH, WE ARE AT THE LOW LEVEL. I HAVE TWO OF MY HANDS. WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT ONES FLOODED. WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHERE THE FLOOD , WE'RE THE ONES COMING FOR REPAIRS. THAT WILL CAUSE ALL OF US. WHEN YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT AN EXACT A PROPERTY, YOU MUST CONSIDER THE INCREASED IN AND HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS ALL THE MID-ISLAND. WE CAN SEE THAT FROM WHAT HAPPENED WITH - -. WHAT HAPPENED WITH LAKESIDE. WE CAN SEE THAT CRANE ISLAND GOING ON WITH BAILEY GOING DOWN BAILEY STREET AS WELL. RATHER THAN APPROVING THE ANNEXATION, I WOULD ACTUALLY AS THE REQUEST AS STUDY OF THE ELEVATION WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM, WHERE IS IT GOING, WHERE'S THE MOVEMENT OF IT, WERE IS THE ABSORPTION. AND WHAT IS THE WATER FLOWING. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN THE WATER IS COMING FROM AND THAT WE ARE RIGHT THERE BY THE AIRPORT, WHAT POTENTIAL CHEMICALS ARE COMING . FROM A COST-EFFECTIVENESS THINKING, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE CAN'T JUST SPONTANEOUSLY AND POSSIBLY JUST LET SOMEBODY COME IN TO THE CITY WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE BIG
PICTURE. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE
WELCOME SANDY. >> WILL COME WITH GARY.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. SANDY CAREY, 1255
>> I LISTEN TO THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND I BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN AN ERROR MADE IN THE WAY THIS APPLICATION IS PROCESSED. THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS ASKED BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS , COULD THE BOARD MADE TWO MOTIONS? ONE, EITHER ACCEPTING OR DENYING THE APPLICANTS REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION AND THEN COULD THEY MAKE ANOTHER MOTION FOR SOMETHING ELSE? THEN ACCORDING TO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT AND SHE GAVE THEM AN ANSWER, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, SHE HAD ANOTHER COMMITMENT AND WAS NOT ABLE TO STAY DURING THE VOTE. BUT ACCORDING TO YOUR - - YOU CAN LOOK AT THE MINUTES. SHE HAD
ANOTHER MEETING. >> I STAYED FOR ALL THE VOTES.
>> THAT'S NOT THE ONE ON DECEMBER 13.
>> IS CONTINUE. >> SHE ASKED THE QUESTION SO.
SO ANYWAY, ACCORDING TO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT CLEARLY STATES THAT ANNEXATION AND CHANGES WITH APLOMB IN THE STONING ARE TO BE A RECOMMENDATION AND A VOTE BY YOU TO EITHER ACCEPT, DENY OR ACCEPT WITH CONDITIONS. THEY MADE A MOTION TO DENY THAT ANNEXATION. THAT WAS THE FIRST MOTION. THEY MADE A SECOND MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITY STAFF WHICH WAS TO GIVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ZONING AND FROM THEN WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED. SO JUST BY THAT ALONE, I THINK THE HEARING IS INCORRECT. IT REALLY SHOULD BE REDONE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU CODE SAYS AND THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW YOU VOTE. YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR ACCEPTING OR DENYING THE
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ANNEXATION. YOU CAN'T MAKE CONDITIONS BASED ON A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WHEN THEY VOTED TO DENY THE ANNEXATION IT'S A CONFLICT. WHEN YOU GET THE COMPLAINT UPDATE IN A MINUTE, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND I HOPE THEY ARE ON THE CITY WEBSITE. MS. VANESSA MENTIONED ABOUT THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE CORRECTING A STATEMENT MADE IN THE FOOTNOTE IN THE APPLICANTS LETTER OF INTENT. THIS IS ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH THE APPLICATION BECAUSE SHE SAID IN THE FOOTNOTE, THERE SEEM TO BE MISCOMMUNICATION CONFUSION AROUND THE CITIES ANNEXATION PROCESS. THERE WAS NO MISCOMMUNICATION OR CONFUSION. THIS IS INCORRECT. IT WAS PROVEN BY THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE WHEN VANESSA ASKED THEM , I AM GOING TO READ IT BECAUSE HE DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO READ THE WHOLE LETTER. SHE SAID, THIS IS ON FEBRUARY 20 , 24, AFTER SOME RESEARCH IT APPEARS THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED OFFICE TO SPLIT THE LAW LOTS INTO SIX SLOTS ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2022 . THEY HAD PRIOR APPLICATION WITH THE CITY IN 2022. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT BECAUSE THEY WITHDREW IT. ANYWAY, ON AUGUST 25TH, 2023, THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED OUR OFFICE TO COMBINE ALL THE LOTS BACK TOGETHER UNDER ONE PARCEL NUMBER LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE THEY REQUESTED THEM TO BE SPLIT INTO SIX SLOTS. ON OCTOBER 20, 2023, TWO MONTHS LESS THAN TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE MEETING, THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED TO SPLIT THE LOT INTO THREE LOTS LIKE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING. BUT THE APPLICANT , APPLICATION STATED IN THE LETTER OF INTENT, WAS NOT CORRECT. I WOULD ALMOST SAY REALLY FALLS BASED ON WHAT THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IS SAYING. THEY DID EVERYTHING AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT , NOT BECAUSE IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION OR MISUNDERSTOOD THING ABOUT THE ZONING FOR ANNEXATION. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL IRREGULARITIES ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS. I BELIEVE IT REALLY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO PAB FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE DONE ACCORDING TO YOUR CODE , EITHER ACCEPT THAT ANNEXATION, DENY IT OR ACCEPT IT WITH CONDITIONS. THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY DID AND YOU WILL HEAR THAT IN MINUTES. THANK YOU.>> THANKS, MS. KERRY. WE WELCOME MR. WILLIAM GIBBS, YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO AGAIN? YOU ARTIE SPOKE ON THIS, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. IF I'M ALLOWED TO. >> YOU DID PUT IN A REQUEST AS
WELL. >> YOU DID SPOKE ABOUT THIS ALREADY. WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN.
>> WAIT, HE CAN SPEAK ON THIS.
>> SURE HE CAN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK?
>> YOU HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS? >> I DO.
>> WHY DON'T WE GO THROUGH ALL THE SPEAKERS AND HE SPEAKS
LAST. >> I DO HAVE THREE MORE. 7.2 AND 7.3. ANYONE ON THERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE OR ANY OTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK ON 7.1? ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. WE'LL GO BACK TO - -.
THANK YOU. >> I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS RELATIVELY QUICK. I WILL HAVE MORE TO PRESENT ON THE
REZONING. >> TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE POINTS, ASPIRES FLOODING GOES, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDER COUNTY RULES AND REGULATIONS . BY BRINGING IT INTO THE CITY AND PUTTING IT UNDER CITY REGULATIONS, I THINK THAT MAY ACTUALLY HELP THE FLOODING ISSUE STORM WATER DRAINAGE IS KEPT ON-SITE. RIGHT NOW, IT'S RUNNING OFF TO WHEREVER IT'S NATURALLY GOING TO RUN OFF TO ONE UNDEVELOPED ALMOST ACRE OF LAND. WITH MINIMAL CONTROLS. IF IT'S BROUGHT INTO THE CITY AND PUT ON CITY REGULATIONS , THAT STORM WATER CAN BE RETAINED OUTSIDE. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, AS YOU WILL SEE, WHEN I DO MY FULL PRESENTATION, THIS IS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN GET TO THE PARKWAY. A BLOCK IS LESS THAN A BLOCK, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING HOUSES SOMEWHERE, ANYWHERE, WHY NOT PUT THEM AS CLOSE TO THE PARKWAY AS YOU CAN AND GET PEOPLE ON THAT SOMEWHAT OF AN EXPRESS ROUTE AVOIDING THE SMALLER MORE CONGESTED STREETS.
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PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED HOUSES SOMEWHERE. LET'S PUT THEM CLOSE TO THE PARKWAY. THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT ACCEPT TO A LARGE PARKING LOT , CENTER. YOU WILL SEE THE FULL PRESENTATION. THE DERMATOLOGY SITE BEING CONSTRUCT DID SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY. SHE SHOWED PICTURES FROM THE RUNOFF. IT'S A SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THEY HAVEN'T PUT IN THEIR STORM WATER RETENTION , DRAINAGE. WHEN YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION SITE THAT'S NOT BUILT YET, YOU WILL HAVE MORE RUNOFF THAN USUAL , YOU TEND TO PUT IN STORMWATER CONTROLS. AGAIN, NO ONE IS TRYING TO AFFECT THE OTHER HOUSES ON KENNETH COURT .THEY WILL STILL BE IN THE COUNTY. THEY WILL START HAVE THEIR HUNDRED FOOT LOTS AND THEY CAN STILL THEIR BOATS.
THEY CAN STILL HAVE THEIR GARAGES. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE ANY OF THAT AWAY FROM ANYONE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BRING THE .92 ACRES INTO THE CITY AND GET CITY SERVICES.
THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS HIRED AN ARBORIST TO ASSIST AND CONSULT WITH TREES ON SITE . I BELIEVE THEY MET WITH NEIGHBORS TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT THE TREES , THE NEIGHBORS ARE WORRIED ABOUT. I CAN'T PROMISE ANYTHING, BUT I CAN SAY THAT MY CLIENT HAS HIRED AN ARBORIST , THEY MET WITH NEIGHBORS AND TRYING TO COME TO SOME MUTUALLY AGREEABLE RESOLUTION.
AGAIN, YOU BRING THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY RAGS , IF THERE'S TREES, THEY HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH UNDER THE CITY REGULATION AT THE COUNTY REGULATIONS. SO THE TREES WILL BE DEALT WITH IN ACCORDANCE WITH EITHER WAY.
IF YOU WOULD RATHER IN THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. I WILL REITERATE SOME POINTS THAT WERE MADE AS WELL. ONE, HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S 14 LOTS . ONE WAS RECENTLY TORN DOWN AND A NEW MOBILE HOME IS IN THE PROCESS OR JUST RECENTLY IN THE PROCESS. ONE IS A VACATION RENTAL. YOU COULD SEE IT FORWARD ON THE SAME DOLLAR RENTAL HOMES. IN THE ISLAND.
ONE OF THEM FOR. AND ONE OF THEM IS LISTED FOR SALE. AS A LOT LAND. NOT EVEN ADVERTISING , THERE'S A STRUCTURE, A HOUSE. ADVERTISED A LOT BY AS A LOT AND LAND, THE OWNER THINKS IT'S A TEAR DOWN AND TRYING TO SELL IT FOR A LOT, LAND VALUE. I'M SPECULATING. BUT WHY ELSE WOULD YOU ADVERTISE AS A LOT , LAND OR WHATEVER. IT IS A TRANSITION NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL . THAT IS RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY ZONING OF MIXED RESIDENTIAL WHICH ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THIS IS A CASUAL ZONING FOR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DID NOT FIT NICELY INTO SPECIFICS THE CODE, THE COUNTY'S TRYING TO ASSIGN ZONING DISTRICT, HE CAN'T REALLY FIT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. INTO TRADITIONAL ZONING CATEGORY, WE WILL CALL IT MIXED RESIDENTIAL. AND I WILL GET INTO MORE THAT IN MY PRESENTATION. FOR THE SAKE OF TIME AND EFFICIENCY, THE COUNTY STAFF THERE'S TRANSPORTATION , FIRE, PLEASE, STORM WATER, ALL THE CITY STAFF AND AGENCIES HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, AND SAID THIS PROPERTY IS PROPERTY CAN'T MEET OR EXCEED STANDARDS. THE STANDARD IS NOT ONE NEIGHBOR HAS A COUPLE MORE CARS TO DEAL WITH AND TRAFFIC. AND ONE NEIGHBOR HAVE TO WAIT A SECOND LONGER TO TURN RIGHT ON AMELIA PARKWAY. THE STANDARD WILL BE MET OR EXCEEDED. AND THE HARD WORK IT'S NOT LIKE THEY PULLED ALL THESE OUT OF THIN AIR. UNDER THE COUNTY RULES,
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CAN BE - - CAN IT BE MORE DIVIDED QUESTION>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> IS NOT A SIMPLE ANSWER. HAVE SEPTIC, MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO HAVE SEPTIC, AND WELL, THE COUNTY WANTS YOU TO HAVE 100 FOOT LOT. WE WOULD MEAN THE 100 FOOT LOTS TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN NEW SEPTIC TANKS. IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE WOULD POTENTIALLY - - POTENTIALLY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE CORRECT. HAVING TO PUT IN SEPTIC AND WELL YOU CAN BASICALLY HAVE THREE LOTS UNDER THE COUNTY RULES.
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> THANK YOU.
>> WHETHER THE COUNTY WOULD LET YOU SUBDIVIDED, IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION. ULTIMATELY SAME ANSWER.
>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT ACCORDING TO THE PROCEDURE
] >> YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. WE HAVE TWO MORE SECTION WHERE YOU CAN SPEAK PEACE.
>> I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING. HE SAID THAT HE BASICALLY SAID THE DRAINAGE, IS IRRELEVANT BUT WE CAN FIX THAT AND THAT'S A COUNTY. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THOSE ARE LEAN ON SOILS IN THAT WHOLE AREA. BY DEFINITION THEY ARE POORLY DRAINED. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE. HOW MUCH YOU BUILD THE IT'S POORLY DRAINED. IT SITS THERE. THAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT. YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO BETTER ROAD TO PUT THIS LOT ON. BUT IT IS THE SMALLEST ROAD IN FACT. THERE ARE BETTER ROAD TO PUT THIS ON.
THIS ROAD IS SMALL. IT'S ROUGH 25 FEET THE LENGTH OF THAT STREET OR THE WITH THAT. SO IT'S A DEAD END. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT. WE ARE INCREASING DENSITY AT A DEAD END. THIS IS THE ONLY OUTLET TO THIS STREET. WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ADVERSE EFFECT OF INCREASING THE DENSITY , THE ONLY DEAD END. MAYBE IF IT WAS AT THE END OF THE ROAD THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT STORY, IT'S NOT. THE ONLY EXIT THAT WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THERE. AND THE BOTTOM LINE, IT IS OUT OF CHARACTER TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD , EVERYTHING THAT IS IN COMMON IS 100 FOOT LOTS. THE ONLY REASON IT'S LABELED RM IS BECAUSE THERE'S MOBILE HOMES.
THAT'S NOT OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THAT AREA. HAVE TO ACCEPT IT THERE'S CHARACTER. THAT'S IT. WHAT IS MORE OUT OF CHARACTER IS TO ADD 50 FRONT FOOT LOTS. IF I HAD A TRUCK AROUND, YES, ALL THE SERVICES CAN BE MET. IF YOU FURTHER LOOK INTO THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRE TRUCK ONLY REQUIRES THAT A FIRE TRUCK CAN MEET CAN BE THERE ON SCENE AND ECZEMA OF SECONDS, IT DOESN'T CONSIDER THE SHORT TURNAROUND, IT IS A MINUTE IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD CONSIDER THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF US LIVING THERE AND POTENTIALLY ANY NEW CITY RESIDENT THAT WILL BE LIVING THERE. JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUT OF THE REQUIREMENT, AND IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. I HAVE SEEN THESE TRUCKS COME IN THERE. AND IT IS - - TO GET OUT OF THERE. ESPECIALLY THE RISK YOU , THEY ALL SHOWED UP AT THE SAME TIME AND IT'S A MESS AND YOU HAVE TO SHARE DEPARTMENT THERE. A BIG MESS.
IT'S A PROBLEM. LET'S NOT AGGRAVATE THE INCREASE. AND THEN I SIGNED AN ORDINANCES, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THIS LOT SIZE AND CHARACTER OF THOSE ARE SUPPORTED FOR THE LDC. YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE THAT. MANY OF THIS. THANK YOU.
>> I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. HE WILL - - ON THE SIDE IS QUASIJUDICIAL, THERE WILL BE NO VOTE. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. IF THEY SO CHOOSE. I AM HEARING NO. ITEM 7.2. WHICH IS 7.2.
[7.2 (Legislative) - FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT - 766 KENNETH COURT - ORDINANCE 2024-02 ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL (MDR) FOR 0.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 766 KENNETH COURT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests for Future Land Use Map category of Medium Density Residential (MDR), totaling 0.92 acres of land, located at 766 Kenneth Court.]
FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT 766 KENNETH COURT, TOPRESENT, MS. HOBBS. >> ORDINANCE 2024 - - 02.
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ORDINANCE 2024-02 ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL (MDR) FOR 0.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 766 KENNETH COURT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. FIRST READING. YOU GET TO VOTE ON THIS. LEGISLATIVE. NOT ACROSS A JUDICIAL HEARING>> >> ALL RIGHT. COULD YOU PLEASE NOT TALK DURING THE MEETING. WE APPRECIATE YOU
BEING HERE. THANK YOU. >> MS. BOCK, THANK YOU AGAIN.
JUST LIKE A NORMAL ORDINANCE, AND QUESTIONS FOR MRS. BACH.
>> FOR CITY STAFF, IT'S RECOMMENDING
>> YES, PERFECT . >> GOOD EVENING, PLANNING
>> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE GONE OVER THIS.
UNDER THE CURRENT COUNTY, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 8700 SQUARE FEET FOR APPROXIMATELY FIVE UNITS PER ACRE BUT MINIMUM IS 75 FEET , THREE UNITS MAX I THINK WE ESTABLISH THAT
PREVIOUSLY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 75 FEET IS 300 , WOULDN'T THAT BE FOR?
>> IF YOU CAN DIVIDE IT, YES, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A MINIMUM OF 75 FOOT. WHEN YOU DIVIDE IT OUT .
>> A MINIMUM OF 75, ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.
>> DOES THE STAFF RECOMMEND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL?
>> STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OUT CITED IN THE STOCK REPORT FOR PURPOSES OF COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ADJOINING AREA EXISTING LOT SIZES ALONG KENNETH COURT.
THAT'S THE ANALYSIS PROVIDED AND RECOMMENDED ALONG WITH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDATION.
>> SO THERE RECOMMEND LOW DENSITY.
>> YES SIR. >> THE PAB RECOMMENDED AGAIN LOW DENSITY IS REQUESTED . THEY THAT PAB DID NOT RECOMMEND MEDIUM DENSITY IS REQUESTED ?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE PAB RECOMMENDED THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CORRECT?
>> YES SIR. >> THE PREVIOUS PAB REFLECT THAT INCORRECT AND SINCE BEEN CORRECTED .
>> YES, SIR AND ENTERED IN THE RECORD PRIOR TO HEARING AND HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO CORRECT THE RECORD AND PART OF ANY SECOND READING UPDATED TO REFLECT THE CORRECT DRAFTED VERSION. HOPEFULLY, APPROVED AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER
QUESTION, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> IN SOME OTHER CASES IN THE PAST, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLANNING IN GENERAL, AND WE LOOK AT TRANSITIONAL ZONING , THESE PIECES OF PROPERTIES ARE WHAT APPEARS TO BE SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL.
>> YES. >> THERE'S A LARGE PARCEL THAT I CAN'T TELL IS COMMERCIAL BUT IT SEEMS, THAT'S TO THE WEST , EIGHT ACRES. DIRECTLY SOUTH IS COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN SOMEWHAT TO THE EAST OR SOUTHEAST IS ANOTHER PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY , NOT IN THE CITY, BUT IN THE COUNTY MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT WITH THIS PROPERTY , IS IT AVAILABLE TO HAVE AN EXCUSE?
>> YES. IN THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU CONSIDER ASSIGNMENT OF LAND IS ABOUT APPROPRIATENESS OF TRANSITIONAL ZONING DISTRICTS, THE ADJACENT AREA OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AS IT EXISTS, AND ALSO ON THE LAND USE MAP ITSELF, A REQUEST FOR MIXED USE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD APPLY WITHIN THIS AREA AND AN APPROPRIATE TO ASSIGN IF THE BOARD WANT TO
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CONSIDER THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO LOOK AT THAT IN ISOLATION OF OTHER COMPATIBILITY FACT IS FOR THENEIGHBORHOOD. >> WHAT'S THE MAX DENSITY FOR
MIXED USE? >> EIGHT DWELLING PER ACRE.
>> AND WE ESTABLISH 0.92 ACRES ROUGH ESTIMATE IS SIX UNITS? IF HE'S TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.
>> OKAY. WILL THEY BE SINGLE-FAMILY OR IS THERE
ANOTHER USE? >> UNDER MIXED USE, IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL. IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL. IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MIX. BUT NOT REQUIRED .
>> OKAY. AND IT'S POTENTIALLY ZONED MIXED USE?
>> AND LOCAL BOARD TO APPLY. CAN WE GET AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT
THAT DENSITY WILL BE? >> I HAVE NOT ANALYZED IT UNDER THAT CONSIDERATION. BUT IT WOULD BE IF IT WERE MIXED USE , MAXIMUM DEVELOP DENSITY OF 34 UNITS PER ACRE.
>> OKAY. >> POTENTIALLY 30-ISH.
WITHOUT HAVING CALCULATED IT AT ALL.
>> PARKING, A LOT MORE THAN COULD GO INTO THAT.
>> YES. >> THERE WOULD BE A BIG STEP ANALYSIS, NOT 34 MAY BE LESS THAN 30. COULD BE SAY WILL BE
>> THANK YOU. WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANYBODY ELSE, STAFF QUESTION, MOVING INTO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM. I HAVE A NUMBER OF REQUEST TO SPEAK. START WITH MARGARET
>> WAIT A MINUTE. >> THIS IS NOT A QUASIJUDICIAL. THIS IS THE LEGISLATIVE ITEM.
>> THE APPLICANT ALWAYS. >> APPLICANT GETS TO GO. THIS
IS A NORMAL - - >> WHATEVER YOU WANT TO.
>> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> I'M ALL GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377 PLANTATION POINTE DRIVE .
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CONSERVATIVE NASSAU. WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA . AND PROCESSING PERMITS IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMICS THAT YOU'VE HEARD THE OTHER SPEAKERS TALK ABOUT . THOSE CONCERNS, LOOK AT PAGE 2, ARE THE HIGH DENSITY IN THIS PART OF THE CITY AND THE RESULT LOSS OF TREES. YOU DON'T HAVE TREES TO PROCESS THE STORM WATER ANYMORE. WE HAVE HIGH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LEVELS . WE HAVE DOCUMENTED HIGH GROUNDWATER LEVELS , POORLY DRAINED HYDRANT SOILS. AS YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT FLOODING. IF YOU COMPARE THE MAPS ON PAGES THREE AND FOUR , YOU WILL SEE WHAT THIS AREA LOOKS LIKE.
AND IN 2010 , IN TERMS OF CANOPY COVER AND IN TERMS OF DENSITY . AND THEN ON PAGE 4, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES PLEASE. ON PAGE 4, YOU WILL SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW. DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. YOU MAY SEE SOME GREEN AREAS.
BUT THOSE GREEN AREAS HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL WETLANDS .
SO WE CAN DEVELOP THOSE. THAT'S A PRETTY DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE. ALL THE LAWS OF CANOPY MEANS THAT YOU HAVE LOST YOUR STORM WATER PROCESSING SYSTEM AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLACE THEM, IT WILL BE VERY COSTLY FOR THE
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CITY AND THE COUNTY. BECAUSE THAT IS ALL MIXED TOGETHER. THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. IT IS NOT SEPARATE. ON PAGE 5, YOU SEE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. IT IS NOT , DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DRIVEWAY AND SMALL THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S PRETTY TRAUMATIC.DRAMATIC. THE SOILS ON PAGE 6, THEY DO NOT DRAIN WELL .
AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE DON'T FEEL THAT IN DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHOULD BE APPROVED FOR THESE PARCELS OR ANY ON THIS PART OF THE ISLAND, UNTIL WE THOROUGHLY UNDERSTAND THE HYDROLOGY OF THIS PART OF THE ISLAND , NOW THAT IT HAS BEEN SO DEVELOPED . THAT WE HAVE FLOOD MODELING PROJECTIONS FOR AT LEAST 2040 AND 2070 , WHICH THE REGION AND THE STATE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. THAT WE ANALYZE AND PLAN BASED ON HYDROLOGY, WATER SOIL AND VEGETATION. IN THE AREA RATHER THAN JUST ON PROPERTY LINES THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DEALT SUCCESSFULLY IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. AND THAT UNDERSTAND THE LONG-TERM COST OF PERMITTING SO MUCH DENSITY IN A PARTICULAR PART OF THE ISLAND. WE LIVE ON A BARRIER ISLAND. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE IS BRINGING . A LOT OF CHALLENGES. WE NEED TO BE PREPARED. WE ARE CREATING THE PROBLEM, JUST LIKE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA LAST YEAR. SO WE NEED TO CREATE THE PROBLEM. WE NEED TO LEARN WHAT THE ISSUES ARE , WHAT THE SITUATION IS, AND HOW TO DEAL WITH IT , SO WE CAN HAVE SUSTAINABILITY AND HAVE RESILIENCY. AND IF WE DON'T , WE ARE CREATING THE PROBLEM.
THANK YOU >> WE INVITE YOU DID PUT IN FOR THIS ONE TOO? COME ON DOWN.
>> ONE SECOND. >> THE RECORD FOR THE - -
WILL BE INCLUDED? >> LEGISLATIVE ITEM IS NOT QUASIJUDICIAL, CORRECT? IS THAT DIFFERENT? IS THERE A
HEARING INVOLVE? >> THERE'S NO HEARING. NO NEED FOR THAT. YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT TO THE NEXT ITEM.
>> IF THIS GETS LITIGATED DOWN THE ROAD, YOU STILL HAVE TO
HAVE A RECORD, CORRECT? >> OKAY.
>> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> HI, LORI HENKE, 751 BARRINGTON DRIVE, FERNANDINA BEACH, 32030234. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YES, I LIVE IN THERE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I HAVE , WE HAVE QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORS THAT I HEAR IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND APPRECIATE YOU BEING A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. I WANT TO START OFF BY HIGHLIGHTED THE ISSUES FLOODING AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO CONSIDER THAT . I WANT TO START OUT THIS TIME SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THIS STAFF AND THE BE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT ZONING AND LOW DENSITY. FOR THE THREE PARCELS. IT'S ONE OF THE BEST REPORTS I'VE EVER READ. THEY DID SUCH AN INCREDIBLE LOOK AT ALL THE PARCELS AROUND. YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMERCIALS. THEY ALSO LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL AREAS AROUND INCLUDING BARRINGTON, INCLUDING DUNES OF AN AREA THEY TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT I HOPE THAT YOU TO THE TIME TO LOOK AT IS THE PAB MEETING. IT WAS A VERY INCREDIBLE MEETING. IS A LOT OF RICH DISCUSSION AND INTERACTION . ANOTHER CLEAR EXAMPLE WHERE THIS WAS A BOARD THAT HAD DONE THEIR HOMEWORK AND REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THIS PARTICULAR AREA. BECAUSE TONIGHT, YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER AREAS OF THE ISLAND. AND WHAT WE'RE LEARNING FOR US, IT WAS THE WAKE UP CALL WITH LAKESIDE. AND WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH. CERTAINLY THE PART OF THE ISLAND HAS TO BE A FOCUS FOR US AS WELL. SO
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AGAIN, I THINK THE STAFF AND THE PAB FOR ALL THEIR RESEARCH.ALL THE POINTS THAT ARE IN ALL THOSE REPORTS ON EVERYTHING YOU HEARD OF ARE VERY CRITICAL INCLUDING WHAT I POKE ABOUT EARLIER WITH THE WATER. I WANT TO TALK AT THIS POINT ABOUT HIGHLIGHTING THE INTEGRITY AND THE STABILITY OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AND ANALYSIS OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY. REGARDING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, MANY OF THE MEETINGS AND REPORTS I'VE READ, HAVE ALWAYS HAD A RESPECT FOR THE STAFF TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND CAN WE PROVIDE? I HAVE A DEEP RESPECT. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STORM ? WE TALK ABOUT MANY OF US INCLUDING THE LIFE-SIZE COMMUNITY BOUGHT TO BE CLOSE TO THAT WALK TRAIL ON SIMMONS PARK BUT IT IS ACTUALLY GETTING DIFFICULT FOR US TO WALK BECAUSE OF THE SPEED AND INCREASED NUMBER OF CARS.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING AGAIN - >> CHIEF, IF YOU DON'T MIND CAN WE GET AN OFFICER TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPEED ON AMELIA ROAD? I KNOW IT IS A CONTENTIOUS AGREEMENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE WITH.
ON THE CITY SIDE OF IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH THESE
CONTINUE. >> SO, IF YOU THINK ABOUT MOBILITY YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST STATED BUT ALSO, THE TIME IT TAKES TO EVACUATE.
SO, I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.
WITH THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE IN MY NOTES IS, AT A MINIMUM I CAN SEE YOU DOING IT IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS ON US ON BARRINGTON ALONG THE WAY IS TO ASK FOR BETTER STRIPING AND SOME SORT OF CONSIDERATION FOR OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING STRATEGIES.
THOUGH HOWEVER THIS GOES, AMELIA ROAD NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. OUR COMP PLAN, LDC AND VISION PLAN SPEAKING OF FERN INDEED IS IS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, HEALTH AND SAFETY. OUR AREA OF THE COUNTY IS ALSO KNOWN AS A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR. IF YOU WANT TO GO AND BIRD WALK YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THE REPORTS OF ALL THE BIRDS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE MIGRATING. HE IS PRETTY INCREDIBLE AND SOMETHING TO PROTECT. WE WERE ORIGINALLY ZONED BARRINGTON, I MEAN IN 2,007 ALL OF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WERE ZONED FOR LOW DENSITY.
THE SOMETHING FOR THE HISTORY PART OF IT.
AS WE WERE DEVELOPED, WE HAVE SEEN THE TREE LOSS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT WE SAW A RECENT TREE LOSS ON KENNETH COURT THAT IMPACTED OUR SHADE AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE HAD 23 LOTS. IT IS A CHARMING NEIGHBORHOOD OF COURSE. EACH HOME HAS THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERS NOT A COOKIE-CUTTER NONE OF US LOOK ALIKE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE ALIKE IS THAT WE DO PROTECT OUR YARD. WE HAVE GIANT OAK TREES AND
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PINE TREES. ALL OF WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AND ALL OF THAT INDIVIDUALITY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INDIVIDUALITY OF KENNETH COURT BUT ALSO AS YOU GO DOWN AMELIA ROAD AND AGAIN YOU SEE ALL OF THE BIG TREES.SO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WE ARE CONCERNED HOW IT WILL IMPACT OUR WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA AND THE ENVIRONMENT.
AN INCREASE IN DENSITY AND OVERDEVELOPMENT NEGATIVELY ROSE OUR CAPACITY AS AN ISLAND AND AS A CITY TO BE A SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT CITY. THIS AREA, EVERY TIME WE INCREASE THE DENSITY WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT AS A SYSTEM REMEMBER TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT IT AS A SYSTEM WE ARE SETTING A VERY NEGATIVE PRECEDENT.
I TRULY BELIEVE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN YOU CAN'T JUST ADD A STORM WATER PIPE.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA.
THE SOIL, THE ELEVATION AND THE E COST.
AND AGAIN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE OST.
WE KNOW THAT EVERY TIME WE INCREASE DENSITY WE INCREASE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. WE HAVE A LOSS OF TREES AND INCREASE IN BRIGHT LIGHTS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE SEEING IN THAT AREA WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD TO CALL THE COUNTY AND ASKED THEM TO PUT IN SOME BETTER LIGHTING GIVEN THAT IT IS A BIRD AREA. AS WE DESTROY AND OVERBUILD WE DESTROY OUR NATURAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROTECTION.
WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT ONCE IT IS DESTROYED WE CANNOT GET IT BACK. IN SUMMARY I SUPPORT THE ZONING AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. X OKAY.
WE INVITE THIS TERESA SHALL HORN.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A THREE-MINUTE - I APPRECIATE
IT. >> MY NAME IS TERESA SHALL HORN AND I LIVE AT 725 BARRINGTON AND MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN ME. I AM ONE OF THE ART WALKERS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I GENERALLY PUT IN 3 TO 5 MILES EVERY TIME I GO OUT AND BETWEEN ALL THE OVERDEVELOPMENT.
MY HEART ACHE EVERY TIME I SAW THE DEVELOPERS LAKESIDE CUTTING DOWN THOSE 300, 400, 500-YEAR-OLD TREES EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE MARKED AND BASICALLY WERE IGNORED AND TORN DOWN.
EVERY TIME AN OPEN SPACE IS LABELED ELATED BECAUSE IS OVERGROWN, COME TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT IS IN THERE.
I CALL THAT THE LONELY PASTOR OUT THERE AT THE END OF THE COURT BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN FOX AND COYOTES AND I HAVE SEEN EAGLES IN THERE. ALL KINDS OF SEABIRDS EATING INSECTS AND ALL THE VERMIN YOU DON'T SEE AROUND.
GUESS WHERE THEY END UP IN PEOPLE'S YARDS AND THINGS.
THE OTHER THING IS WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SOIL, THE SOIL IS NONABSORBENT. THAT IS BASICALLY SOMETHING BETWEEN WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER WETLANDS AND DAMP SOIL WHICH MEANS IF YOU PUT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THEIR IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ADDITIONAL FLOODING IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. BASICALLY IT IS CHANGING IT FROM LOW DENSITY TO HIGH DENSITY IS JUST GOING TO MAKE MATTERS WORSE BECAUSE WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO GO? WE HAVE HAD MORE FLOODING AND PROBLEMS LAST YEAR.AST SPRING WE HAD 7.5 INCHES OF RAIN THE LAST RAIN STORM THAT LASTED 12 HOURS. WE JUST CAME THROUGH AND WE HAD ANOTHER ONE 8.5 INCHES OF RAIN. THESE ARE JUST THUNDERSTORMS IT DOES NOT MEAN HURRICANES OR ANYTHING ELSE.
THE CORNER OF AMELIA AND BARRINGTON DRIVE WAS FLOODED WITH ABOUT 4 INCHES OF WATER FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS.
IT TOOK IT THAT LONG TO REMOVE. OUR HOUSE HAS A RETENTION POND BEHIND IT AND THAT RETENTION POND USUALLY GOES UP AND DOWN DURING DRY SEASONS AND STUFF. THAT HAS BEEN FULL FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS AND IT HAS NOT GONE DOWN AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS ON THE CORNER LOT WHERE WE ARE DOING THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE BUSINESS THERE, BUT THAT HAS BEEN STREAMING WATER DOWN INTO ALL OF THE STORM WATER DRAINS CONSTANTLY. EVEN WHEN WE HAVE NOT HAD RAIN FOR A WEEK THERE STILL WATER POURING OUT OF THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE COUNTY OR ZONING BUT THAT IS AN ISSUE INTO PUT MORE DENSITY IN THEIR I REALIZE THAT
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PEOPLE MAKE MONEY AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP.WE ARE JUST KILLING THE CARE FOR OF THIS PLACE.
WE BUILT AND WE BASICALLY MADE OUR HOUSE HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A QUIET ISLANDS. WHEN DID WE GET RID OF THE QUIET AND JUST BE TURNED INTO ANOTHER COMMERCIAL AREA THAT HAS BEACHES? THIS IS CRAZY! WE LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WE LIKE OUR QUIET AND I'VE HAD TO JUMP OUT OF THE WAY OF CARS THREE TIMES THIS YEAR SO I DON'T GET HIT ON AMELIA RHODES. AND I HAVE TO WALK THE ROADS JUST TO GET TO THE TRAIL. PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO
CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. ALL RIGHT.
WE INVITE. WE GOT THAT ONE, WE INVITE MISS SANDY CAREY. COME ON DOWN.
>> YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT MY ADDRESS? 455 FERNANDINA BEACH. THE MINUTES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IT'S NICE MEETING, I UNDERSTAND THIS GIBSON SAID THEY WERE NOT UP TO DATE THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THEY DO NOT REFLECT THEIR ACTION AND CONTRADICTION OF ONE ANOTHER. SO ONCE AGAIN I FEEL THE DAP BE BOARD DECISION AND EVERYTHING WAS COMPLETELY WRONG AND WHEN THE MINUTES ARE COMPLETELY RECORDED YOU WILL SEE THAT.
NO VOTE AS FAR AS EA ORNATE IS REFLECTED IN EITHER MOTION AND THE FIRST MOTION SAYS ACTION TAKEN.
MOTION WAS MADE BY MEMBER STEVENS AND SECONDED BY MEMBER DOSTER. TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF PAB CASE 2023 0043 TWO THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE PAB CASE 2023 0043 AS PRECEDENT IS NOT SUFFICIENTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPANY AS A PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND APPLICABLE FLORIDA STATUTES TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME.
VOTE UPON PASSAGE OF THE MOTION WAS TAKEN BY AYE AND NAY AS FOLLOWS AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
IN THE SECOND MOTION WITH HIS RECORD WHICH I DON'T THINK IS ACCURATE SAYS ACTION TAKEN. A MOTION WAS MADE BY MEMBER BENNETT SECONDED BY MEMBER STEVENSON TO RECOMMED APPROVAL OF PAB CASE 2023 - 0043 TWO THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND THAT THE PAB CASE 20230043 AS PRESENTED IS SUFFICIENTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND APPLICABLE FLORIDA STATUTE.
TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME. VOTE UPON PASSAGE OF THIS MOTION WAS TAKEN BY AYE AND NAY AS FOLLOWS AND AGAIN NO REFLECTION OF THE VOTE. THESE TWO NOTIONS CONTRADICT EACH OTHER. IF YOU HAD ONE SAYING YES WE APPROVE OF THIS ANNEXATION AND THE NEXT ONE SAYS NO, YOU'VE COMPLETELY AVOIDED THE WHOLE PROCESS OUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FURTHER ALL OF THIS TALK ABOUT FUTURE ZONING IS REALLY MUTE. UNLESS THE ANNEXATION OCCURS.
AND AGAIN I THINK THE PAB PROCEDURE WAS WRONG THEY DIDN'T DO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF ACCORDING TO APPROVE OR DENY.
THESE MOTIONS THEY SAY THEY COMPLETELY CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER. SIX WEEKS AGO DECEMBER 16 IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TIME TO HAVE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING UP TO DATE AND RECORDEDCERTAINLY THE VOTE .
AGAIN I AM EXPRESSING THAT THIS SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SENT BACK THROUGH. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MS. GARRETT. WE AGAIN WELCOME MRS. GINA.
AND THAT IS ALL OF THE REQUESTS I HAVE TO SPEAK ON THIS LEGISLATIVE ITEM. OF COURSE MR. GIBBS WELCOME
WILLIAM GIBBS 1617 SAN MARCO BLVD., JACKSONVILLE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. IF I MAY I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THIS UP. DO I NEED TO DO SOMETHING?
>> I WILL TURN ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU.
THANK YOU. SO THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE PROPERTY AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO GET A A LITTLE INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATIONS. THE GREEN LOTS WITH THE RED
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OUTLINE ARE - >> WE NEED TO KEEP THIS TO 3 MINUTES. IT IS 3 MINUTES OVER
LEGISLATIVE. >> MR. GIBBS THIS IS 3 MINUTES IN THE NEXT ONE IS UNLIMITED TIME.
WE WILL SEE HOW FAR I GET. >> PERFECT.
>> AS YOU CAN SEE CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT HERE IS ZOOMED IN.
THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS WHERE I BELIEVE THERE IS A DERMATOLOGY OFFICE CURRENTLY GOING AND THAT IS UNDERDEVELOPED MINUTE COMMERCIALLY.
THIS IS GREAT AND ASSOCIATES LARGE LAPTOP PARKING FLEET PARKING BACK HERE. THEY HAVE A BUILDING OVER HERE, COMMERCIAL, OBVIOUSLY ELDERS OVER HERE.
THIS WHERE COAL BUILDERS IS, THAT IS A PICTURE OF OUR THREE LOTS. THIS IS THE COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE, CITY FUTURE LAND USE. SO, THE PART OF THE CITY THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE JOINING THAT WILL BE ANNEXING TO IS THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE RIGHT HERE.
SO, I SENSE THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN TRYING TO ANNEX ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE TRYING TO ANNEX ADJACENT TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. DOWN HERE YOU CAN SEE IT IS MIXED-USE. OVER HERE MORE GENERAL
COMMERCIAL. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE
REMAIN SILENT. >> THE AIRPORT DOWN HERE YOU CAN SEE AMELIA ISLAND PARKWAY AND AMELIA AVENUE.
AGAIN WE TALK ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL MIX ZONING.
YOU CAN SEE THAT HERE. IT'S THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL MIX THAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE. THIS IS ANOTHER COUNTY ZONING AGAIN TO CLARIFY. IN COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE HERE AND COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE HERE. AGAIN THIS IS CITY COMMERCIAL HERE WHERE THE COAL BUILDERS IS.
YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL RIGHT AROUND THIS PROPERTY. RESIDENTIAL MIX I WILL READ A LITTLE BIT FROM THE COUNTY'S ZONING CODE.
THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT RESIDENTIAL MIX IS AN EXTREMELY HAPHAZARD AND FREQUENTLY INCOMPATIBLE AREA OF RESIDENTIAL LAND USE SO IT CANNOT BE EQUITABLY CLASSIFIED UNDER OTHER RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES.
DOING SO WOULD WORK A HARDSHIP ON PRESENT OCCUPANTS AND OF COURSE YOU CAN'T EVEN COME. THEY WON'T EVEN ALLOW NEW AREAS
TO BECOME A RESIDENTIAL MIX. >> OF COURSE THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE CAN PICK BACK UP ON THE QUASI- RESIDENTIAL NEXT.
I WILL GO WITH YOU. THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
THIS IS THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD HEAR A MOTION AND I SEE NO MORE REQUEST TO SPEAK DO I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I MOVE THAT PUT IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION THAT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD
PAND THE CITY RESIDENTIAL. >> COMMISSIONER: SECOND.
>> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE NEED TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> WE HAVE A QUESTION. >> IF WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON EITHER MEDIUM DENSITY OR A LOW DENSITY NOW.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION TONIGHT IF YOU DON'T
WANT TO. >> EVEN ON THE LEGISLATIVE ASPECT?> WE'VE DONE THAT WITH TWO VOTES BUT EVEN TONIGHT WITH MY DISCUSSION WITH MR. GIBBS AND EARLIER WITH YOU, TECHNICALLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE TWICE ON ORDINANCE.
THAT'S HOW WE DO QUASIJUDICIAL AND THIS IS NEW WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS YET BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE ACTION TONIGHT YOU CAN BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION ON THAT MOTION BUT QUASIJUDICIAL JUST LIKE LEGISLATIVE THE LAW IS THAT WE READ TO THE PUBLIC TWICE AND YOU HAVE AT LEAST ONE VOTE. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT ON THIS ITEM YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
>> AND IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS MOTION? LET'S SAY WE WOULD DENY ANY KIND OF DENSITY RECOMMENDATION , IS A DENIAL ON FIRST READING AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT THE
SECOND READING DOESN'T HAPPEN? >> NO.
NOT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE WE HAVE A SECOND READING LEVEL, AT LEAST FOR THE ANNEXATION. DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IF
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THERE'S NO ACTION BETWEEN NOW AND THE SECOND READING OF THE ANNEXATION LIKE COMMISSIONER ROSS POINTED OUT EARLIER, YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS TO REZONE OR ASSIGN A REZONING CATEGORY.>> LET'S SAY WE WERE TO APPROVE MEDIUM DENSITY AND FIRST READING, COULD WE CHANGE TO LOW DENSITY IN SECOND? OR WOULD WE HAVE TO HAVE A THIRD READING AFTER THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
DO YOU HAVE THE ANSWER? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER THE
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE. NO HECKLING IN HERE.
>> I MEAN ALL NIGHT MAYOR WE HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT HECKLING AND IT IS VERY, VERY DISCOURAGING.
NOT JUST TO MYSELF BUT THE OTHER PARTIES IN THE CHAMBERS BUT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS TRYING TO LISTEN.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IT'S JUST RUDE TO DO IT. NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU STAND
ON. >> THANK YOU MS. SPOCK YOUR POINT IS TAKING THE LEAD TAKEN AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE REFER FROM HECKLING IN THE FUTURE.
OFFICER STURGIS PLEASE HELP THEM UP.
DINKY FOR NOT HACKEL BILLY HECKLING.
THANK YOU. >> THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT I DO NOT KNOW BUT IF YOU VOTE TONIGHT FOR MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S ONLY ONE VOTE AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO TAKE A VOTE YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON A MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR.
IF YOU ARE THINKING THERE IS A VOTE TONIGHT THE MOTION IS NOT FOR MEDIUM DENSITY IS FOR LOW. IF A MOTION COMES UP IT PASSES BY THREE, AT LEAST THREE SAYING YES WE GO ON TO A SECOND READING AND I WILL RESEARCH THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT IT CHANGES ON SECOND READING. MOST LIKELY BECAUSE ZONING ORDINANCES WHICH ARE LAND USE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO I'M THINKING MORE OF BOTH. ZONING YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH TWICE IN THE NEWSPAPER SO YOU REALLY CANNOT GO AND CHANGE ONE IS MEDIUM AND THE NEXT READING. I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO TO A THIRD. THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP BUT I
WOULD RESEARCH IT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. SPOCK?
THANK YOU. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION?
>> I WILL-THAT IS NOT NORMAL. WE CAN'T DO THAT BUT IT IS COMING UP REALLY SOON. THANK YOU MS. SPOCK.
WITH THAT IN MIND IT'S TIME FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANY COMMISSION DISCUSSION TO BE HAD? THE MOTION IS TO ZONE NOT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR.
>> COMMISSIONER? >> DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER THE WAY THAT MADAM ATTORNEY EXPLAINED IT TO NOT HAVE A VOTE ON THE LEGISLATIVE AND TO HOLD THAT VOTE WHEN WE HOLD THE VOTE FOR THE SECOND READING ON THE
YOU ARE ASKING THAT WE HAVE NO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT?
>> I'M STATING I'M GOING TO VOTE NO ON THE MOTION SIMPLY TO STATE THAT I DON'T FEEL THAT NEED TO ADD A FUTURE LAND USE,
USE CATEGORY TONIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> THIS HAS BEEN EMBEDDED BY THE STAFF EXTENSIVELY. THE FOUR OF YOU HAVE ALWAYS GONE ALONG WITH THE STAFF REPORT EMBEDDED BY THE PAB.
I SEE NO REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT AND SUPPORT WHAT THE STAFF HAS OPINED AND WHAT THEY, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS OPINED AND I WILL SUPPORT THAT NOTION.
>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PIER THE COMMISSIONER IS GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE VOTE TONIGHT.
AS MY ONE TIME TO COMMENT I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS A FALSE EQUIVALENCE AND THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TONIGHT.
THERE IS THE CAUSE AND EFFECT IS NOT HERE.
SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING ANNEXATION IS THE CAUSE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
ANNEXATION DOES NOT CAUSE DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT CAUSES DEVELOPMENT IS THERE IS A PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS READY TO PUT A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS. THE ANNEXATION THAT PROVIDE CITY SERVICES IT PROVIDES ALL OF THESE THINGS.
WHAT I WOULD SAY IS GIVEN THAT THIS DEAL GOES THROUGH AS WRITTEN GIVEN THAT THIS DEAL GOES THROUGH AS WRITTEN, THE INCREASE IN HOW MANY HOUSES CAN GO THERE IS SMALL.
BECAUSE FOLKS, WHAT I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU IS THAT EITHER WAY WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT IF WE COMPLETELY REJECTED THIS OFFER THERE WOULD STILL BE FOR HOUSES ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE WOULD STILL BE FOR HOUSES THERE.
FOR HOUSES. AND THEN THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE
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IN THE COUNTY IS 75 FEET AND THEY HAVE 300 FEET MEANING THAT FOR HOUSES CAN GO ON THIS PARCEL.FOLKS, THE QUESTION THAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TONIGHT AND THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS IS THIS IS NOT A QUESTION BETWEEN NO HOUSES AND SIX.
THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. IF THAT WAS THE QUESTION IT WOULD BE AN EASIER ANSWER. IF WE WERE ABLE TO DECIDE YES, SIR NO SWITCH A LIGHT SWITCH NO HOUSE WILL GO ON THIS EMPTY LOT THAT MAY BE AN EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER.
BUT FOLKS, THE QUESTION IS RIGHT NOW THE LIGHT SWITCH IS BETWEEN TWO THINGS. WILL IT BE FOR HOUSES IN THE COUNTY OR FLIP THE SWITCH COULD BE SIX HOUSES IN THE CITY.
THAT'S THE QUESTION. FOLKS, IF YOU BUILD IT IN THE COUNTY WHAT HAPPENS? FOR SEPTIC TANKS.
FOR SEPTIC TANKS GO IN THERE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. ON THE BARRIER ISLANDS AS MANY PEOPLE SAY SET TANKS DO NOT PROVIDE ANY KIND THEY DO PROVIDE A HARMFUL ECOLOGICAL NEGATIVITY.
THEY HURT THE ENVIRONMENT. PEOPLE TONIGHT HAVE SPOKEN THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING HARMFUL EFFECTS FROM SEPTIC TANKS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS THERE AND THEN FINALLY WHAT ELSE I WILL SAY IS THAT THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.
ALL PROPERTIES ON KENNETH COURT CURRENTLY EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T PAY CITY TAXES WE PAY THEM IN CITY SERVICES.
EVERY PROPERTY ON KENNETH COURT RECEIVE CITY SERVICES IN TERMS OF POLICE, AND FIRE COVERAGE. WE PAY CITY TAXES.
EVERYBODY WHO LIVES ON BARRINGTON DRIVE, THE NEIGHBORS, WE ALL PAY CITY TAXES AND WE COVER A POLICE AND FIRE SERVICE WHICH THEN GO COVER OTHER PLACES.
FOLKS, WHAT I'VE GOT TO SAY IS THAT THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX FOR TWO ADDITIONAL UNIT WE CAN GET RID OF HARMFUL SEPTIC TANKS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN ENSURE THAT THESE HOUSES GOING IN WILL PAY FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE. THAT IS THE QUESTION.
I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY THINGS THAT THEY THINK WE ARE DECIDING WHETHER IT BE ZERO HOUSES OR SIX AND THAT IS SIMPLY NOT THE CASE.
SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO SAY. FOR THAT REASON I WANT TO GET THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY POSSIBLE IN THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY IS TO ENSURE THAT WE RECEIVE THE SEPTIC TANKS NOT THERE AMONG OTHER THINGS TAKING CARE OF THE ROADS AND WHATNOT.
WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR MORE ANSWER AND DISCUSSION ON THIS.
COMMISSIONER? >> MAYOR, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO APPLY FOR MIXED-USE WITH THE WAY THAT IT IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS APPLICANT ABSOLUTELY HAS THE ABILITY TO HOLD US AND MOVE FORWARD WITH MIXED USE. MIXED-USE CAN BE MANY THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY UNPLEASANT FOR THE AREA, EXTREMELY UNPLEASANT FOR THE AREA. WHEN I LOOK AT IT AND GOING THROUGH A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WITH PLANNING, WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING OR FOLLOWING UP WITH YOUR POINT AND GOING FROM 0-6 44-6, I COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW THAT IT COULD BE EXTENSIVELY MORE THAN SIX UNITS JUST BY CHANGING THE APPLICATION TO MIXED-USE.
I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AS YOU STATED WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CAN GO THERE, IT COULD BE WORSE.
IT COULD ABSOLUTELY BE WORSE THAN SIX UNITS AND THAT'S A
POINT I WANT TO MAKE. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER
ROSS. >> WHAT WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT IS THE ANNEXATION WHETHER THEY COME UP AS LOW DENSITY OR MEDIUM DENSITY THEY WILL STILL GET SEWER AND WATER.
THE SEWER AND WATER ISSUE IS NOT - IT IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT EVEN RELEVANT IN THIS DISCUSSION.
WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS HOW MANY HOUSES CAN GO THERE? WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE TELLING YOU IS THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY WANT TO PRESERVE A LOW DENSITY THERE. THUS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
LOW DENSITY. ONCE THEY ANNEX THEY GET SEWER AND WATER SO WE ARE TALKING HOW MANY.
2POINT OH THEY CAN COME IN AS MIXED-USE, COME BACK AS COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR ANYTHING THEY WANT.
BUT WHAT THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR IS MEDIUM DENSITY AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING THEY WERE CAREFULLY VETTED AND YOU HAVE SAID ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS HOW COMPETENT OUR STAFF IS AND HOW
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THEY GIVE ADVICE AND IT WENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD WHO VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR LOW DENSITY. OUR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE GOING AROUND AND AROUND ON THIS. IT IS BASICALLY WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID AND WHAT THE PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET HAVE SAID IS THAT THEY WANT LESS HOUSES THERE.
THE DEVELOPER WANTS OR HOUSES. I GET THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER YOU ARE NEXT.
>> I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE PAB AND STAFF DID NOT CONSIDER MIXED-USE. I KNOW I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT IT BEFORE, THE COMPREHENSIVENESS OF YOU KNOW BRINGING IN COMMERCIAL OR BRINGING IN MIXED-USE INTO THE CITY AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT LIVE LOCAL CAN DO DOING THAT AND WHY ISN'T STAFF PREPARED FOR EVERY SINGLE TIME COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE COMES IN? I AM AHEAD OF THAT GAME RIGHT HERE STATING IT COULD BE MIXED-USE. IT VERY WELL COULD BE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M STATING.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THIS COULD BE MIXED-USE SIMPLY BECAUSE THE APPLICATION CAME IN FOR MEDIUM DENSITY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU MR. ROSS, PLEASE REMAIN SILENT IN THE CROWD.
COMMISSIONER GO AHEAD. >> THEY CONSIDER IT COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY AND ALL THOSE THINGS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ON THE TABLE. THIS DEVELOPER THE APPLICANT IS CONFIDENT TO COME IN WITH WHAT THEY WANTED, MEDIUM DENSITY FOR WHATEVER REASON. THE STAFF AND THE PAB HAVE RECOMMENDED SOMETHING ELSE AND THAT IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT. YES THEY COULD'VE ASKED FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL OR A LOT OF THINGS.
IT COULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH COMMERCIAL THERE'S COMMERCIAL SURROUNDING IT. WE COULD DO THAT BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN THE TWO
THINGS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE. >> ALL RIGHT.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE VOTE IS TO CURRENTLY APPROVE IT FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SO I THINK WE HAVE ALL DISCUSSED AT CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL ROLL.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, YES, 28, YES, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, NO,
VICE MAYOR STURGES, NO. >> IT FAILS THREE-2.
>> WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK, PLEASE.
>> WE CAN FINISH IT UP. >> WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK.
[LAUGHTER] >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE. YOU ARE NOT AN OLD MAN! NEVERMIND LET'S CONTINUE THIS ON.
NO, WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> RIGHT AS WE LEFT OFF WE WERE LOOKING AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER MOTION FOR ITEM 702 FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNMENT IF THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER MOTION. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE?
>> I WANT TO ASK IF WE ARE IN LEGISLATIVE CAN WE ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT FORTH?
I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >> REMEMBER WE HAVE ANOTHER
HEARING STARTING AFTER THIS. >> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
THE JUDICIAL. >> ALONG WITH YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS YOU ALL CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND DO WHAT YOU WISH.
>> YOU ARE RECOGNIZED COMMISSIONER.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE. AMELIA ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD, CORRECT? SO A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THAT. WITH THE DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE COUNTY COMING AND DIGGING THE DITCH DEEPER AND WHATNOT.
>> THAT ROAD HAS HAD ESPECIALLY ON THE WEST SIDE OF AMELIA ROAD PARKWAY HAVE HAD A DRAINAGE PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME. THE DITCHES ARE TOO SHALLOW IN THE PIPE CULVERTS ARE UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY ARE HALF BURIED IN DIRT SO IT JUST DOES NOT FLOW AND THAT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM FOR YEARS.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR THREE YEARS AND THOSE DITCHES HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN FULL. >> ON THE POLICE SIDE I KNOW THAT IS COUNTY ROAD AND BOTH AGENCIES WORK THAT AREA?
>> YES SIR, WE WILL GET ASKED TO HELP OUT THE PEOPLE QUITE A
I WANT TO MAKE ONE QUICK STATEMENT BECAUSE I HAVE DRIVEN BY THEIR AND I HAVE SEEN, THERE IS A PRETTY HEAVY AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS SITTING BASICALLY PRIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THE NE
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CONSTRUCTION AND I HAVE SEEN THE PHOTO WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE HOSE THAT IS PUMPING THE WATER OUT.>> THEY ARE RE-WATERING THE SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION IS
THEY ARE DIGGING THE RETENTION POND OUT AND PUMPING THE WATER AND WE WOULD EXPECT AS SOMEONE WHO IS PROBABLY AN ENGINEER AND
UNDERSTANDS THIS. >> PROBABLY?
[LAUGHTER] >> PROBABLY AN ENGINEER AND CAN UNDERSTAND THIS THAT THAT WATER CAN HOPEFULLY DRAIN TO
THAT RETENTION POND ONCE. >> THEY ARE REQUIRED.
EACH OF DERMATOLOGY, WHEN THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING AT THAT DEVELOPMENT THEY TALKED TO ANDRE, OUR UTILITY DIRECTOR STORMWATER DIRECTOR ABOUT DRAINAGE AND HE MADE SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT MAKING SURE THE WATER STAYS ON THE SITE OR A PARTICULAR TIME AND GETS RELEASED AT A SLOWER RATE AND
THAT IS ALL PART OF THE DESIGN. >> ANDRE IS ON TOP OF THIS
WHEN IT COMES TO THE DRAINAGE? >> NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT IS CITY PROPERTY BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT CITY PROPERTIES.
>> ALL RIGHT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN
ADDRESS PEOPLE. >> NO MA'AM, THANK YOU THOUGH.
>> AND, SINCE BEAUCHAMP DERMATOLOGY IN THE CITY?
>> YES. BUT BECAUSE THE STORM WATER IS
DRAINING TO THE COUNTY - >> WAIT A MINUTE.
I THOUGHT UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE YOU HAD TO KEEP STORM WATER ON YOUR PROPERTY SO IT'S NOT GOING TO
DRAIN ANYWAY. >> NOT KEEP IT BUT IT GETS DRAINED AT A SLOWER RATE SO IT IS A RETENTION NOT A DETENTION N POND. IT DOES RELEASE WATER BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT SHEET FLOW. IT HAS TO BE RETAINED ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN RELEASED TO THE MASTER STORM SYSTEM.
>> THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL I HAD, MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP A COUPLE OF THOSE ISSUES.
>> THAT MAKE SENSE. WITH THAT DO I HEAR A MOTION ON
[7.3 (Quasi-Judicial) - ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - 766 KENNETH COURT - ORDINANCE 2024- 03 ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF RESIDENTIAL LOW MEDIUM (RLM) FOR 0.92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 766 KENNETH COURT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. Synopsis: Requests assignment of Residential Low Medium (RLM) zoning category for approximately 0.92 acres of land located at 766 Kenneth Court.]
ITEM 702? ALL RIGHT.I HEAR NO MOTION ON 7.2 AND THAT MEANS WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM 7.3 IT WAS A JUDICIAL ITEM ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT 766 KENNETH CT. .
SO ONCE AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER QUASI- JUDICIAL HEARING SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK YOU CAN RAISE UP AND I WILL HAVE CAROLINA'S WERE YOU IN REALLY QUICK. AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE -
>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AGAIN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH DO YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM THAT THE FACTUAL STATEMENTS AND REPRESENTATIONS THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE TRUTHFUL? THANK YOU.
>> PERFECT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE
CITY ATTORNEY. >> MS. SPOCK COMMISSIONER HAS
A QUESTION. >> HOW CAN YOU HAVE A ZONING, ZONING FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND BEGET ZONING.
IT IS A BUCKET OF ZONING. HOW DO YOU HAVE A ZONING HEARING WHEN THERE'S NO DESIGNATION FOR FUTURE LAND
USE? >> BECAUSE WE ARE TRACKING THEM AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S NOT ADOPTED IF YOU MAKE A MOTION AND APPROVE IT AT THE FIRST READING.
IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY FACT. IT'S THE SAME AS NOT VOTING AT ALL. X THANK YOU MS. SPOCK.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER ROSS PLEASE INDICATE YOUR EXPERT
COMMUNICATION >> I WOULD ASK THAT WE ADOPT THIS RECORD FROM
A PREVIOUS HEARING. >> WE WILL WAIT AND WE WILL ADOPT COMMISSIONER ROSS'S EXCOMMUNICATED FROM THE HEARING AS WELL. VICE MAYOR STURGES?
>> ARE THE SAME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND IN FACT MR. COMMISSIONER ANTUN?
ALL RIGHT MS. SPOCK. >> READING THE TITLE ORDINANCE 20 24.03 ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF RESIDENTIAL, LOW MEDIUM ARE LM FOR .92 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 766 KENNETH CT.
PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MS. SPOCK.
AND NOW WE WILL GO TO OUR FIRST WE WILL GO BACK TO MS. GIBSON FOLLOWED BY MR. GIBBS AND OF COURSE TO MS. STUBBS.
MS. GIBSON? >> YES GOOD EVENING KELLY GIBSON PLANNING AND CONSERVATION I AM GOING TO RELY ON THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED AT THE ANNEXATION HEARING AS PART OF THE LEGISLATION HEARING AND I WILL RELY ON THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED AS PART OF THE DOCKET MATERIALS AND MADE AS THE ORDINANCE CONSIDERED THIS EVENING AND IN ADDITION I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE BACKUP MATERIALS PROVIDED TO REFLECT THE UPDATED DRAFT MEETING MINUTES OF THE DECEMBER
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PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HEARING.THAT THEY BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD FOR THIS HEARING AND I CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU MS. GIBSON ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I HAVE A COUPLE. >> GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> WAS THE SUBJECT AUDIT BEFORE OR AFTER THE LAND
DEVELOPMENT CODE? >> I BELIEVE PRIOR TO THAT I
HAVE NOT CHECKED IT OUT. >> AND UNDER THE R1 ZONING WHAT IS THE ALLOWED MINIMUM LOT WIDTH?
>> 75 FEET. >> UNDER THE REQUESTED ARE LM ZONING WHAT IS THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH?
>> 50 FEET. >> AND WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM
GROSS DENSITY OUT OF R1 ZONING? >> FOUR DWELLING UNITS PER
ACRE. >> OUT OF THE REQUESTED ARE
ACRE. >> STAFF RECOMMENDED R1 ZONING. WHY?
>> FOR COMPATIBILITY FACTORS IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> TO THE PAY BE CONSIDER THIS A ZONING APPLICATION?
>> THE PA BE CONSIDERED THE APPLICATION FORWARD TO IT AS
REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. >> DID THE PA BE RECOMMENDED R1 ZONING AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT?
>> THE APPLICANT DID NOT REQUEST R1 ZONING.
>> WHO DID? >> THE PLANNING BOARD
RECOMMENDED R1 ZONING. >> THAT WAS UNANIMOUS, RIGHT,
>> THAT'S NOT CORRECT. >> WHAT WAS IT HE MET.
>> I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE NAY VOTE.
>> MR. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE? >> THANK YOU MAYOR.
AS STATED IN THE LEGISLATIVE THESE PROPERTIES ARE SURROUNDED BY BOTH COUNTY AND CITY COMMERCIAL.
>> WITH THE EXCEPTIONN OF THE LOTS ON KENNETH PORT ROAD.
>> THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY WEST OF THESE LOTS? IN GENERAL.
>> GENERALLY, TO THE NORTHEAST AND NORTH AND EAST OF IT, YES, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND ALONG KENNETH PORT.T IS
RESIDENTIAL MIXED. >> OKAY AND WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE OR IS THERE THE ABILITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO ASK FOR AND IT BE APPROPRIATE MIXED USE ZONING?
>> YOU COULD MAKE ARGUMENTS UTILIZING THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ARGUE
FAVORABLY FOR MIXED USE. >> OKAY.
AND, WHAT IS THE MIXED USE MAX DENSITY?
>> EIGHT DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
>> AND, WITH 0.92 ACRES, AT THIS, THAT WOULD RESULT IN?
>> YOU WOULD STILL ONLY BE ABLE TO GET SIX DEVELOPMENT SITE OR PARCELS OUT OF THAT BECAUSE OF THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR IT. BECAUSE OF THE MINIMUM LOT
WIDTH. >> AND, WHAT THEY ALL BE
SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS? >> NOT NECESSARILY THEY COULD BE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL
MIXED TOGETHER. >> AND UNDER LIVE LOCAL HOW MANY MAX UNIT COULD A MIXED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AT THIS
PROPERTY RECEIVE? >> 34 UNITS PER ACRE.
>> AT 0.92 IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE 30, THE BACK OF THE ENVELOPE? IT COULD DEFINITELY BE DEFINITIVE THAT IT COULD BE NORTH OF 12?
>> THANK YOU MIS GIBSON THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND WE WELCOME MISS GIBBS BACK TO THE PODIUM.
>> WILLIAM GIBBS 1617 SINGH BOULEVARD JACKSONVILLE.
FOR THE APPLICANT. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK NOW THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZONING.
TO SHOW THE COUNTY ZONING MAP ONE MORE TIME WITH THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, ALLY BACK A COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ZONING UNDER THE CURRENT CAPITAL ZONING.
WE DISCUSSED THE INCONSISTENCIES INHERENT
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INCOMPATIBILITIES WITH RESIDENTIAL MIXED UNDER THE CURRENT COUNTY ZONING. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE AIRPORT, PROXIMITY TO THIS LARGE, FULLY DEVELOPED ASSISTING LIVING FACILITY, IT DOES NOT QUITE BORDER THE BACK OF KENNETH CT. BUT IT GETS PRETTY CLOSE.SO, I WILL MOVE ONE MORE TIME HERE WE GO.
CITY ZONING. AGAIN, COMMERCIAL OVER HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD BE, WHERE WE WOULD BE ANNEXED TO THE CITY. BRINGING THESE LOTS INTO THE CITY CREATES TAX REVENUE AND STREAMLINES CITY SERVICES.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT ALREADY SPEND SOME TIME IN HERE AND HAVE COVERAGE IN THE AREA.
SO IT PROVIDES TAX DOLLARSFOR THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IS, YOU KNOW, I AM LOOKING AT THE CITIES ZONING CODE HERE.
THE TABLE OF CONTENTS, THERE IS A HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THERE IS A MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL AND WERE NOT ASKING FOR THAT.
THERE IS MIXED USE TO WHICH THE COMMISSION IS TALKING ABOUT AND WERE NOT ASKING FOR THAT. ARE LM STANDS FOR LOW MEDIUM DENSITY.E ARE NOT ASKING FOR HI, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MEDIUM WE ARE ASKING FOR LOW MEDIUM.
SO IN THE CONTEXT OF CITY ZONING, THE COUNTING ZONING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE CONTEXT OF CITY ZONING THERE'S REALLY NOT A HIGH DENSITY REQUEST.
IT IS A LOW MEDIUM DENSITY REQUEST.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT THAT OUT AND JUST PROVIDE THE CONTEXT THERE IN THE CITY ZONING CODE AS A WHOLE.
THERE'S ARE LM HERE IN LAKESIDE.
AND AS I SAID IT IS COVERED BY RED BECAUSE IT IS ALL COMMERCIAL C2 ZONING BUT THIS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IS ALL RIGHT HERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMMERCIAL USES OF THE AIRPORT AS DISCUSSED.
THERE IS ALSO - >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHILE
WE ARE ON THAT? >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THE
QUESTIONS NOW OR AT THE END? >> I WILL ANSWER.
>> WHAT IS NORTH OF THEIR? THAT IS R1? IS THAT ADJACENT TO THOSE HOUSES ON KENNETH CT.
>> TO THE HOUSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF KENNETH CT.
. >> ADJACENT TO THAT? IS THAT BARRINGTON? OKAY.
THANK YOU. >> AS WE DISCUSSED OUR LM IS FOR MEDIUM LOW DENSITY.
AND, COMMUNITY I WILL JUMP TO COMMUNITY CARE THERE BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS.
LOT SIZE IS ONE COMPONENT TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
HOW SIZES, PLACEMENT, HEIGHT, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, IF WE HAVE 300 FOOT LOTS DO THEY GET DEVELOPED WITH BUNGALOWS AND MOBILE HOMES? I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE. BUT THEY COULD ALSO GET DEVELOPED WITH HOUSES THAT AREN'T BUNGALOWS AND MOBILE HOMES. SO I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THINK ABOUT WHAT GETS DEVELOPED ON A 100 FOOT LOT AND WHAT GETS DEVELOPED ON A 50 FOOT LOT.
THE HOW SIZES MIGHT NOT BE ALL THAT DIFFERENT.
THE ARCHITECTURE MIGHT NOT BE ALL THAT DIFFERENT.
YOU KNOW, A BUNGALOW OR A MOBILE HOME CAN FIT ON A 50 FOOT LOT JUST AS WELL AS IT CAN FIT ON A 100 FOOT LOT AND MAYBE BETTER. THIS DAY AND AGE.
SO, I WOULD PUT THAT TO THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER.
THE MEDIAN AGE OF HOUSES IS 60 YEARS AND IS PROBABLY LESS THAN THAT NOW BECAUSE A NEW MOBILE HOME WAS JUST BUILT SO THAT WOULD BRING THE MEDIAN AGE UP A LITTLE BIT.
AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THEY ARE NOT INCREDIBLY LARGE HOUSES AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU NEED A 100 FOOT LOT FOR A 1200 SQUARE-FOOT
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HOUSE TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.NEXT-DOOR, I WILL GO BACK TO THE MAP.
WE CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. AS WE DISCUSSED, THIS IS COMMERCIAL. THIS IS AMELIA ROAD, COMMERCIAL, AIRPORT, COMMERCIAL.
THIS LOT RIGHT HERE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS NOT A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
IT IS A GARAGE, WAREHOUSE, DETACHED GARAGE WAREHOUSE ALUMINUM METAL CITED TILTING. SO THERE'S NOT EVEN A HOUSE HERE. DO WE WANT IT TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH ALUMINUM CITED GARAGE IS? I MEAN, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TRANSITIONAL AND INCOMPATIBLE.
SO WE ARE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FOR A ZONING THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE TRANSITIONAL AND THE ALREADY KIND OF HAPHAZARD DEVELOPMENT ON THE STREET NOT TO MENTION THAT IT BACKS UP TO THIS LARGE PARKING. PARDON ME WHILE I CATCH BACK UP. WE TALK ABOUT THE EVOLVING CARE THERE. ONE HOME IS A VACATION RENTAL ONE WAS RECENTLY CLEARED AND HAS A NEW MOBILE HOME GOING ON IT. ONE IS FOR SALE AS LOT LAND SPECULATING AGAIN BUT PRESUMABLY BEING SOLD AS A TEAR DOWN. IF THIS DOES COME INTO THE CITY WITH OUR LM ZONING THERE'S COST ASSOCIATED WITH WRINGING THE WATER MAINS AND SEWER MAINS UNDER AMELIA AVENUE.
I'M SORRY, AMELIA ROAD. IN BRINGING THAT SERVICE ONTO KENNETH CT. WHICH WILL IN LARGE PART BE WORN BY THE DEVELOPER. THERE COST, WATER MAINS AND SEWER MAINS CAN BE BROUGHT INTO THIS AREA THAT DON'T HAVE WATER MAINS AND SEWER MAINS MAKING IT MORE ECONOMICAL IF PEOPLE DECIDE, ONE HAS TO BUT TRY TO ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE SOME OF THE COST, EXPENSE AND WORK WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AND EXISTING NOW ON KENNETH CT.
. NOT AT THE CITIES COST AND NOT AT THE NEIGHBORS COST. THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. WE GOT A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER.
I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT UNLESS ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU MR. GIBBS DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS FOR MR. GIBBS? >> ONE QUESTION I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY CANNOT PUT A MOBILE HOME IN THERE BECAUSE OF ZONING. IN MY CORRECT?
>> A MOBILE HOME IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE CITY.
MANUFACTURED HOUSING IS OKAY FOR THOSE HOUSING DISTRICTS.
>> IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPER WON'T TAKE ON THE ENTIRE COST OF THE SEWER IS THAT CORRECT?
>> TO THEIR PROPERTY. YES, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MISS GIBSON AND THANK YOU MR. GIBBS.
ALL RIGHT WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MISS STUBBS TO THE
PODIUM. >> VANESSA STUBBS 744 KENNETH CT. I WANT TO ADOPT WHAT I PRESENTED DURING 7.1 EXCUSE ME 2024.
>> 7.1 IS PERFECT IT FITS FOR THE RECORD.
>> GOT IT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I WANT TO TAKE WHAT I SAID THEN AND APPLY IT TO THIS JUDICIAL HEARING AS WELL. I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, LET'S SEE. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE REACHING AND SKIPPING AND IGNORING ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THIS PROPERTY. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT LOOK AT THIS COMMERCIAL, LOOK AT THAT BUT I WOULD ARGUE THERE'S MORE RESIDENTIAL CONTINUOUS TO THESE PROPERTIES AND COMMERCIAL.
AND IT'S NOT ALL DEVELOPED YET. THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE HOMES THERE. BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ON 50 FRONT PARCELS. I ALSO WANT TO ARGUE THAT TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY YOU GUYS KEEP SAYING IT IS CONTIGUOUS TO COMMERCIAL AND THAT'S TRUE BUT IT'S ACTUALLY
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CONTIGUOUS PATHWAY BECAUSE THE OTHER HALF OF THAT HE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS COUNTY AND IS RESIDENTIAL.I THINK IT MIGHT BE AGRICULTURAL AS WELL. YOU WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM IT BUT RIGHT NOW THERE IS A HOUSE THERE AND THEY OWN A LARGE PROPERTY THERE. MY POINT IS THAT IT IS A HOME AND YOU CAN'T IGNORE THAT HOME YOU GUYS KEEP SAYING COMMERCIAL BUT THERE IS A HOME THERE, TOO. I DO WANT TO CORRECT THAT THE CITY POLICE DOES NOT RESPOND TO KENNETH CT.THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DOES. AND IN MY NINE YEARS I'VE NEVER SEEN CITY POLICE THERE AND I'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THE SHERIFF AS WELL BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION OF MINE AND I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE RECORD.
THE CITY POLICE DOES NOT RESPOND TO KENNETH CT.
. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL BECAUSE THEY ARE THE CLOSEST IN PROXIMITY.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE PARKING LOT SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, THEY DON'T STORE THEIR FLEET THERE.
THAT IS STORAGE PARKING FOR RVS.
WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND PAY FOR THEIR PARKING STORAGE SO THAT'S THAT. I WANT TO SAY IT'S QUIET.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I HAVE VEGETATION BEHIND MY HOUSE. AND ACTUALLY THERE IS VEGETATION BEHIND THESE THREE PARCELS, TOO, BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED FOR THE COUNTY TO HAVE THAT OFFER THERE.
I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GARAGES ARE NOT UNCOMMON FOR THIS AREA. LET'S NOT LABEL THAT HAPHAZARD.
I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT THERE IS A GARAGE AT 758.
THERE WILL BE A GARAGE AT 745 THERE IS A GARAGE THAT 755 AND AGAIN ON AMELIA ROAD. SO PERSONALLY I DON'T MIND THAT THERE'S MORE GARAGE IS THERE. I THINK THAT IS MORE COMPATIBLE WITH KENNETH CT. I THINK INDIVIDUALS WILL ON THAT LOT WILL APPRECIATE THAT. AGAIN THESE 50 HOME FRONT LOTS THERE IS NOTHING TO THIS NOW THAT REFLECTS THAT.
SO WE HAVE TO STOP REACHING PAST AND LOOKING PAST ALL THESE RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS.
IT IS RESIDENTIAL, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.
I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY RESIDENTIAL MIX IN THE COUNTY MEANS UP TO 75 FEET. HOWEVER, THIS PARCEL HAS ALREADY BEEN PLATTED TO THREE 100 FOOT LOTS AND IT SAYS ANY FURTHER SUBDIVISION WILL RESULT IN A REPOT.
IT ALSO SAYS THAT NO FURTHER ARE IN ZONING WILL BE EXTENDED.
SO IT'S NOT FOR HOMES. IT'S THREE.
IT WILL NOT BE FOR HOMES IT WILL STAY AT THREE SO WE ARE INCREASING THREE MORE HOMES, NOT TO.
I DON'T WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT FACTOR.
WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. RIGHT NOW IT IS THREE AND IT WILL NOT BEFORE ACCORDING TO THE LETTER IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE LETTER FOR THE INCLUDED INVESTMENT FROM ANDREW DOP THE DEVELOPMENT PLANNER. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS.
HE CLEARLY STATES THAT AND AGAIN YOU CANNOT EXTEND ARE IN IT HAS ALREADY BEEN PLATTED AND OTHER RE-PLAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION RE-PLAT APPROVAL PROCESS.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT IT'S THREE HOMES NOT FOR.
IT IS AN INCREASE IN THREE ADDITIONAL HOMES THAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE WERE TALKING ABOUT SIX HOMES RIGHT THERE.
IN LESS THAN AN ACRE. AND THEN COMPARE THAT TO HOW MANY SINGLE HOMES THAT ARE THERE.
IT IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THAT'S ALL I'M
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. GIBBS?
GO AGAINST HER. >> JUST IN CASE I WASN'T CLEAR FROM THE RECORD I WANT TO INCORPORATES ANY TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE FROM THE PRIOR TWO HEARINGS. WANTED TO CLARIFY
THAT. >> DULY NOTED I APPRECIATE THAT. DULY NOTED HE WILL TRANSFER FORWARD AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN.
>> CHINA KRISTER 406 BEECH STREET THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AT THIS LATE HOUR THIS IS A REAL DOOZY TONIGHT MISS SPOCK I WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH YOU THE X PARTAKE
COMMUNICATIONS RULE. >> MISS KRISTER YOU HAVE TO
ADDRESS THAT TO ME. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THIS
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BOX X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE RULES.>> I WILL ADDRESS THE QUESTION BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
MISS BARCLAY ANSWER TO THAT. >> LET'S JUST SAY THAT SOMEONE IS A FRIEND OF ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS AND THEY DID NOT DISCLOSE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT AND X PARTAKE
COMMUNICATION MISS SPOCK? >> EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS IN THE PROPERTY OWNER IN CITY MEMBER IS A PARTNER. AND SO, I EXPLAINED THAT THE CITY AND IF YOU TALK TO ANY ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY ARE FRIENDS. THERE'S NO VOTE BEING TAKEN TONIGHT SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE THIS VOTING BASED ON FRIENDSHIP PLEASE ASK BUT FRIENDS DON'T COUNT IN TERMS OF VOTING. BUT X PARTAKE COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE APPLICATION WITH THE CITY OR THE DEVELOPER OF
AND TO ANSWER QUESTIONS I BELIEVE THAT EVERY COMMISSIONER DID SAY THEY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER.
>> OKAY. MAY I ASK YOU THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPER AND WHO THAT WAS? PERSON?
>> I SPOKE WITH MR. BATES. ROGER BATES.
>> WOULD COMMISSIONER STURGIS LIKE TO DISCLOSE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP THAT HE HAS WITH
MR. BATES? >> HERE'S THE THING.
THIS IS NOT APPROPRIATE IS NOT A HEARING.
WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AGAIN THIS IS A NONVOTING ITEM AND NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ASKED ABOUT THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU AGAIN. >> MAY I GO ON?
>> YOU MAY CONTINUE BUT NOT ALONG THESE LINES.
NEXT I WILL NOT I WANTED TO BRING UP A POSSIBLE ETHICS VIOLATION I DISCOVERED ON THIS. O THIS MATTER IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO KNOW HOW THEY VOTED AND I BELIEVE THEY VOTED IN THE CORRECT WAY BECAUSE THERE IS A THIRD OPTION.
YOU SAID THERE WERE FOUR HOUSES OR SIX SEPTIC TANKS.
IT WENT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW BUT SIMMONS 90 745 KENNETH CT.
. IF YOU GO ON THEIR NIKKI EAST GILLETTE IS THE REGISTERED OWNER OF THAT.
A PROPERTY HE IS AN AGENT FOR IS PRETTY MUCH DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. IKKI GILLETTE IS SOMETIMES WORKING OUT OF THE TRAILER ON THIS PROPERTY.
>> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY THIS IS NOT GERMANE.
>> NIKKI GILLETTE VOTED ON THIS AND SHE DID NOT DISCLOSE.
>> THIS IS A PLANNING BOARD VOTE WAS CITY DISCUSSION AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER CHANNELS TO DISCUSS THAT.
>> I AM DONE. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. WE INVITE MISS GINA BACK TO THE PODIUM AGAIN. [LAUGHTER]
>> HI. I AM MISS GINA 765 KENNETH CT.
FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO CORRECT YOU.
BLIGHT. OVERGROWN.IT IS BLIGHT AND OVERGROWN BECAUSE THE OWNERS HAVE LEFT IT THAT WAY.
OKAY? NO ONE HAS TOUCHED THAT PROPERTY SINCE YOU KNOCKED ON THE HOUSE AND DRAGGED AWAY THE GARBAGE. I WANT TO SAY IT IS NOT A BLIGHT. IT'S AN EMPTY LOT THAT IS NOT BEEN ATTENDED TO. AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE YOU ARE USING THAT AS AN EXCUSE TO SAY WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BUILD HOUSES ON IT AND WERE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER.
I TOLD YOU YOU DID NOT WANT TO HEAR IT BUT AS FAR AS THE ZONING AND MAKING IT ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT IS OR EVEN IF YOU MAKE IT LOW DENSITY THROUGH THE CITY.
IF IT IS ANNEXED I THINK WE ARE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO ANNEX THAT AND YOU WOULD HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DECIDE WHAT IT SHOULD BE ZONES. RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY HAS THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY'VE ALREADY SAID WHAT IT SHOULD BE.
THEY'VE ALREADY SAID WE ARE LEAVING IT THE WAY IT IS.
SO, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE HAVING ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ZONING AND WHETHER IT COULD BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE COUNTY SAYS IT IS RIGHT NOW UNTIL YOU DECIDE IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OVER.
THERE IS ALREADY A SEPTIC TANK THERE SO IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF MORE HOUSES, EXCUSE ME, THERE WOULD ONLY BE
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MAYBE IF YOU PUT FOUR HOUSES THERE COULD BE THREE MORE SEPTIC TANKS BECAUSE THERE'S ONE EXISTING THERE ALREADY.I KNOW. BECAUSE WE ARE ALL ON SEPTIC AND WELL.ND I LIKE IT THAT WAY.
I DON'T WANT CITY WATER. VANESSA IS RIGHT.
NASA COUNTY SHERIFF IS WHO I CALL.
I DON'T CALL FERNANDINA BECAUSE I LIKE MY COUNTY AND I LIKE MY SHERIFF. SO LET'S KEEP IT WHAT IT IS.
YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT I DON'T THINK IS EVEN -WE ARE NOT UP TO THAT POINT YET.
LET'S FIGURE OUT WHERE TAKING IT AND ANNEX IT IN AND THEN LET'S DECIDE WHETHER TO CHANGE THE ZONING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS FINE THE WAY IT IS AND IF YOU HAVE THEM CUT THE LOT AND CUT DOWN THE WEEDS THAT WOULD BE NICE, TOO, BECAUSE THERE'S
REALLY BIG SNAKES LIVING THERE. >> THANK YOU WE APPRECIATE THAT WE AGREE THAT WE ALL DO LIKE THE SHERIFF.
SHERIFF BILL LIEBER IS A FORMER MAYOR HERE AND SO WE DO LIKE YOUR SHERIFF. WE INVITE TERESA SHELL AND HORN ONE MORE TIME.ALL RIGHT. WE INVITE MISS MARA KIRKLAND DID PUT IN FOR THIS AS WELL. MISS MARA KIRKLAND?
>> MARA KIRKLAND 1377 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE.
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CONSERVED NASA, CAN I COPY OR TRANSFER
THE LAST PART INTO THIS PART? >> IT IS DULY NOTED.
WE WILL MAKE SURE TRANSFERS. WE HAVE YOUR NOTICE.
>> WITH THAT I WOULD ADD A FEW COMMENTS MORE DETAILS.
I DID NOT TAKE THE TIME TO SAY THEN.
NUMBER 1, EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE SAID IS BASED ON ASSESSMENT NOT ONLY OF MYSELF BUT ALSO FOR ENGINEERS.
CIVIL ENGINEERS. PEOPLE WHO HAVE PHD'S AND BOTANY AND ZOOLOGY. IT IS NOT JUST MY OPINION, OKAY? IN TERMS OF THE WATER THERE, PART OF THAT WATER, OBVIOUSLY IT COMES FROM THE RAIN.
BUT PART OF IT COMES FROM OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.
YOU'VE GOT AFTER -- SINCE THEN THERE HAS BEEN FLOODING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOTS THAT ARE ON AMELIA ROAD BUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF THOSE LOTS THERE HAVE BEEN FLOODING THERE.
AND, SIMMONS ROAD WE HAVE ALL SEEN THAT.
WE HAVE ALL SEEN 14TH ST. AND CRANE ISLAND IS A MESS, OF COURSE. BUT A LOT OF THAT WATER IS GROUNDWATER WHICH IS MOVING UNDERGROUND FROM MAY BE THE, THIS LOT IS UNKNOWN BUT FROM THE AIRPORT NORTHWARD.
THIS CITY HAS IDENTIFIED THIS IS MOVING NORTHWARD AND THAT IS WHAT THEY OBSERVE. SO, A LOT OF THIS IS GROUNDWATER AND THIS IS WATER THAT IF IT RAINS A LITTLE BIT IT IS COMING UP, RIGHT? IT IS NOT THE FIX.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CLEAN OUT THE DITCHES. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, I AM SURE BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM.
IT IS VERY COMPLICATED. IT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED AND ANALYZED SO WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE.
NOT JUST YOU GUYS BUT THE COUNTY.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THAT. WE HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH ANDRE AND KATIE P AND THE COUNTY.
IT IS A COMPLICATED MATTER BUT IT IS NOT FIXED EASILY.
AND SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER FOR THE REST OF THE ISLANDS, THE REST OF THE COUNTY IS THAT IT IS EASY FOR US TO REMOVE THESE MATURE TREES AND WE THINK IT'S NOTHING,, YOU CAN PLANT ANOTHER ONE. IT TAKES A TREE AT LEAST 60 YEARS TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM ANY OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE EXPECT FROM IT. GROUNDWATER, MODERATION, DEALING WITH STORM WATER. DEALING WITH THE TEMPERATURE, MONITORING THE HOT TEMPERATURES THAT WE HAVE IN THE SUMMER.
AND SO, IT IS NOT SO SIMPLE. REMOVE THOSE TREES AND PUT
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CONCRETE IN AND BUILD HOUSES THERE AND THE RESULT IS VERY SERIOUS. YOU HAVE AS ONE PERSON MENTIONED, YOU HAVE CHANGED IT PERMANENTLY.WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY? YOU HAVE TO SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RESTORE THINGS AND TO PUT IN HARDSCAPE AND THAT IS NOT CHEAP.
AND I AM SURE THAT GEORGE KNOWS THAT, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO BE THINKING NOT TODAY.
YOU NEED TO THINK DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU NEED TO BE THINKING MORE BROADLY. AT THIS POINT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME WE ALL NEED TO KNOW A HELL OF A LOT MORE BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS IN THIS AREA IS ONE AREA OF THE ISLAND THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN A CRITICAL SITUATION.
AND THERE ARE AREAS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER THAT ARE BEING PUT IN THE SAME SITUATION.
LOTS OF CANOPY, OVERDEVELOPMENT, TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.ND SO ON. NO PROTECTION FROM STORMS OR ANYTHING. IT'S COMPLICATED.
DON'T JUST THINK IT'S A MATTER OF PLANNING OUT A COUPLE OF DITCHES IT'S A LOT MORE THAN THAT SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. WE INVITE MISS LAURA HENKE AS
LAURA HENKE EXCUSE ME I'M GETTING TIRED ALSO.751 BARRINGTON DRIVE, FERNANDINA STILL.
I WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM MY PRESENTATION AND ALSO FROM THE OTHER BARRINGTON PEOPLE.
I THINK IT IS EASY FOR US RIGHT NOW TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE BEACHES CONSTRUCTION AND TO JUST THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT WATER ISSUES.
IT IS REALLY MORE TO HIGHLIGHT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK THE PAB AND STAFF CERTAINLY SAW THAT IT IS BROADER THAN THAT. IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT THAT LITTLE PIECE, IT'S LOOKING AT THE LIFE-SIZE AND HAVE IT IMPACT. IT'S LOOKING AT WHAT YOU WOULD PAY BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING INDUSTRY REPAIRS.
IT IS LOOKING AT AMELIA ROAD AND AMELIA PARKWAY.
YES. AMELIA PARKWAY IS TALKING ABOUT THEY WANT TO BUILD THE BIKE TRAILS AND YET LOOK HOW FLOODED IT IS. I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH FOR CLARITY WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
WE ALL KNOW THAT ANDRE IS QUITE RESPONSIVE COMING OUT AND MOWING THE DITCHES BUT THAT DOES NOT SOLVE IT.
IT IS JUST A LITTLE BAND-AID. IT'S NOT LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE. WHEN I TALKED WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE, THIS IS JUST TO CLARIFY, BEFORE THEY STARTED CONSTRUCTION WITH THE BEACHES PROPERTY, THEY PUT IN WORK ORDERS TO REPAIR SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH THE WATER THAT THEY WERE PREDICTING. THEY ARE ALREADY, THEY ARE SIX MONTHS BEHIND WITH THAT. BUT THAT SHOWS YOU THAT YOU HAVE A COUNTY AND A CITY AND A STAFF THAT'S VERY BUSY PROBABLY VERY COMMITTED BUT IT IS A BIG ISSUE AND EVERYBODY NEEDS TO COME TO THE TABLE AND LOOK AT THE WATER.
>> THANK YOU MISS HINCHEY WE APPRECIATE THAT.
THAT'S ALL THE REQUEST I HAVE TO SPEAK ON THIS BUT WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? DID I MISS ANYBODY? MISS HINCHEY YOU ALREADY WENT ON THIS ISSUE.
I WOULD LIKE TO - WHAT'S SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING THAT I SAID PRIOR BE ADDED TO
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ORDER AND THE THREE ORDINANCES AND EVERY ANNEXATION I'VE WITNESSED AT THE CITY ALWAYS FOLLOWS THE SAME ORDER FOR GOOD REASON BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ANNEX BEFORE YOU CAN HAVE THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE AS SAID PREVIOUSLY BEFORE YOU CAN CHANGE THE FLOW YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING CONSISTENT.
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THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THAT ORDER.AND, YOU CAN'T DO ONE BEFORE THE OTHER.
AND SO UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE 163 SINCE ALL THREE OF THESE ARE LISTED AS ORDINANCE 20224 01, 22 AND FEBRUARY 4, 2003 TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THE STATE STATUTE IS IT SAYS EACH ORDINANCE SHALL BE INTRODUCED IN WRITING AND SHALL EMBRACE WHAT ONE SUBJECT MATTER AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ONE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE. NOT ALL IN ONE AND THE SUBJECT SHALL BE CLEARLY STATED IN THE TITLE AND ORDINANCE SHOULD BE REVISED OR AMENDED BY ITS REFERENCE TITLE ONLY.
IT GOES ON TO SAY A PROPOSED ORDINANCE SHOULD BE READ IN FULL AT LEAST TWO SEPARATE DAYS AND SHALL BE EXTENDED AND THEN ADDED TO THE MUNICIPALITY. SO AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT YOU HAVE TO DO TO READINGS OF THE ORDINANCE.
>> YES MA'AM. >> YOU CANNOT DO THE FLOM UNTIL HE ORDINANCE HAS BEEN READ TWICE.
AND THEREFORE, YOU CANNOT TAKE ANY ACTION.
SO, I MAY BE WRONG AND IF I AM I STAND CORRECTED BUT ACCORDING TO THE STATE STATUE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY NEED TO BE READ AT
TWO SEPARATE HEARINGS. >> YES MA'AM WE WILL READ IT
AGAIN AT ANOTHER HEARING. >> THERE SEEM TO BE A QUESTION EARLIER ON IF WE ARE READY TO ADOPT THE SECOND ORDINANCE WHICH WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER. I HAVE ONE LITTLE QUESTION THAT SEEMS MINOR BUT I HAVE TO ASK. ALL OF THESE ON THE APPLICATION ALL OF THIS TALKS ABOUT 292 ACRES.
YET THE CODE SAYS THAT SO MANY UNITS PER ACRE.
IT IS NOT EVEN AN ACRE. SO I DON'T SEE WHERE IT SAYS YOU CAN PRORATE IT SO IF YOU HAVE HALF ACRE OR THREE QUARTERS YOU CAN TAKE THREE FOURTHS OF THE UNIT OR 4/5 OR WHATEVER. IT'S NOT EVEN IN INC.
>> I UNDERSTAND HOW THE CODE WORKS.
IT'S FRACTIONAL. >> IT IS? I DON'T THINK IT IS IS SAYS SO MANY POINTS PER ACRE AND IT
I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT.
WITH THAT ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENTS?
>> RON CURRIER 1313 HICKORY. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE PROCESS. SOMETHING HAPPENED TONIGHT WHICH IS CONSISTENTLY HAPPENING WHICH IS INAPPROPRIATE.
THIS DEVELOPER ASKED FOR SIX UNITS BASICALLY AND WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN QUESTION 64. YOU BROUGHT UP EMU ONE.
WHAT WAS TRANSPARENT WAS BASICALLY IN MY MIND WAS BASICALLY A THREAT THAT THIS IS BETTER THAN IF YOU LIVE LOCAL.
IF YOU BRING IN THE 34 UNITS IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND I THINK IT HAPPENED RECENTLY. IT HAPPENED AS YOU BROUGHT IT UP UNDER THESE TWO HEARINGS AND THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE.
YOU KNOW? THAT TO ME IS A THREAT TO PEOPLE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT YOUR SELF BUT THEY DID NOT ASK FOR THAT.
YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD 34? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD 34 UNITS.
IS NOT INTERESTED IN IT AND YOU WOULD NEVER GET IT IN ANY WAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE WAY THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO OPERATE. IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME WE HAVE A PROGROWTH COMMISSION AND THAT'S FINE BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY IT THREATS AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A THREAT.
VICE MAYOR? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE NOW, THERE IS NO VOTE ON
[8.1 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT - One appointment (Applicant: Ms. Margaret Davis).]
THIS. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY IF ANY COMMISSIONER LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF THEY MAY THEY CAN DO THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME BUT SEEING NONE WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM 8.1 OR THE ADJUSTMENT APPOINTMENT.DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPOINT A MEMBER TO THE BOARD OF
ADJUSTMENT? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE MISS
ROBERT DAVIDSON. >> I HEAR A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY I HAVE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING WITH MS. DAVIS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE AND SHE'S A REAL PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AND DOES GREAT WORK WITH THE CITY SO I WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER CONTINUED SERVICE TO THE CITY WITH THAT LET'S CALL THE VOTE. MISS BEST?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, COMMISSIONER STURGES,
COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, MAYOR? >> YES, THAT PASSES 5-0.
[8.2 MARINA ADVISORY BOARD - One appointment (Applicant: Mr. Michael Sharpe).]
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THANK YOU FOR MISSED BILLY BEING WITH US.NEXT THE ADVISORY BOARD MAY I HEAR A MOTION?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE MICHAEL SHARP TO THE ADVISORY
BOARD. >> SECOND.> OF EMOTION AND DISCUSSION BILLY SECOND IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE CITY CLERK CALL THE
VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN, COMMISSIONER STURGES, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE,
[9.1 ALTERNATE REGULAR MEETING DATES - The 2024 General Election (August 20) and the 2024 Runoff Election (November 5) occur on City Commission Regular Meeting Tuesdays. Staff subsequently recommends that the August 20 Regular Meeting be moved to Wednesday, August 21 and that the November 5 Regular Meeting be moved to Wednesday, November 6. ]
COMMISSIONER ROSS, MAYOR. YES THAT PASSES 4-1.COMING DOWN WITH A BRIEF DISCUSSION OF ALTERNATIVE MEETING DATES AND THIS IS TO SUMMARIZE THIS, I WILL SUMMARIZE THIS. THE GENERAL ELECTION AND RUNOFF ELECTION ARE OCCURRING ON CITY COMMISSION TUESDAYS.
DO WE WANT TO CHANGE THOSE DAYS TO WEDNESDAY SO THAT IT DOES NOT COINCIDE WITH THE ELECTION. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> I AM FINE WITH THAT.MIRROR.- >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD.
DO WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS? NO STRONG PREFERENCE?
[10. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA]
I THINK WE HAVE A DIRECTION ON THAT.GO AHEAD AND CHANGE THOSE TO MEETING DATES AND THAT ONE MEETING IN AUGUST AND THAT ONE MEETING IN NOVEMBER WILL OCCUR ON WEDNESDAYS. THE DAY AFTER THEY NORMALLY OCCUR. AND NOW WE GO TO ITEM NUMBER 10 BUBBA COMMENT ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA WE WILL
CALL ON MR. RICHARD DEAN. >> MISS BOCK PLEASE GET THE TIMER READY. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US
TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS SO LATE IN THE EVENING. I'M TRYING TO READ THE ROOM HERE BUT THE MOST TWO IMPORTANT THINGS HERE IS ONE IS NONPARTISAN TRADITION FORCING ELECTION.
MANY OF US IN THE COMMUNITY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT EROSION.
>> I AM SORRY THIS BEST? >> NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> RICH DEAN APRIL 1, 2004 TWO AND WOULD PLACE FERNANDINA
>> MANY OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EROSION OF THE CITY WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE POLARIZATION THAT HAS A DYSFUNCTION OF WASHINGTON DC INTERFERING WITH FERNANDINA BEACH. WE'VE SEEN THIS IN THE LAST CITY ELECTIONS AND THAT BROUGHT ALONG WITH IT THIS CRAZY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE UGLY CULTURAL WAR THAT PUT A BULL'S-EYE ON THE LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY. RECENTLY WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE THE PROCESS LEFT A LOT TO BE DESIRED.
WE HAD A CITY COMMISSIONER GO TO SEE THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT FURTHER EROSIONS OF ITS CORE PRINCIPLES.
I THINK IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE A PRINCIPAL IN OUR CITY CHARTER, DO IT AT A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND COMMENT ON THIS AND NOT DEAL WITH IT AFTER THE FACT. DO ITS IN THE PUBLIC LIGHT.
ALSO, I THINK THAT THE NOTION HERE THAT WE HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY BEING ASKED ABOUT WHAT IS BASICALLY A CAMPAIGN ISSUE, DECIDING WHAT EFFECTS THE CAMPAIGN FOR THE CANDIDATES ISSUE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO IN THE FUTURE. SO, LET'S PRESERVE NONPARTISAN ELECTIONS IN THE CITY. THE SECOND ISSUE IS THE ETHANOL PLANT. WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT THE BOND ISSUE AND HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS TO HAVE ALL THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY TO BE RAISED EARLIER.
I AM NOT TRYING TO KILL THE ETHANOL PLANT, I JUST KNOW THAT THERE ARE ISSUES HERE WITH TRAFFIC.
WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. WITH THE ENVIRONMENT.
LET'S HAVE REGNIER SPEAK. LET'S HAVE A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH OUTSIDE INDIVIDUALS ADDRESSING ISSUES LET'S ADDRESS IT IN THE FRONT NOT AFTER THE FACT.
IT'S NOT EAST PALESTINE OHIO THAT DID NOT ADDRESS THESE ISSUES UP FRONT AND YOU ARE DEALING WITH A CATASTROPHE AT THE BACK AND A YEAR LATER WHERE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING IN THAT COMMUNITY. PLEASE LET'S HAVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ABOUT A SERIES OF TOWN HALL MEETING SO WE CAN HAVE THESE ISSUES AIRED. MAYBE THE FEARS ARE NOT WELL FOUND? LET'S HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUS.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION AND LET'S KEEP NONPARTISANSHIP IN OUR CITY. THANK YOU.
[12. INTERIM CITY MANAGER/CITY ENGINEER REPORTS]
>> THANK YOU SIR. HEADING DOWN WE GET TO INTERIM CITY MANAGER/ENGINEER MR. GEORGE?
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>> GIVEN THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR AND MY AGE I HAVE NOTHING
TO SAY OF ANY RELEVANCE. >> THANK YOU MR. GEORGE.
ALL RIGHT MISS? >> WE HAVE A MEETING FOR HOURS IN THE MORNING FOR HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ME TALKING ABOUT MISCARRY THAT WAS UNTRUE, THAT WAS NOT
APPROPRIATE. >> THANK YOU MISS BOCK.
DO WE HAVE TO ATTEND BOTH? IS IT AN 8 HOUR SESSION?
>> ONLY 4 HOURS AND ONLY ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE THE TRAINING BUT I RECOMMEND IT FOR THE STAFF AND
[15. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
BOARD MEMBERS. >> THANK YOU MISS BOCK.
CITY CLERK? CITY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS MR.
ROSS? >> QUICKLY,FOR PUBLIC RECORD I EXERCISED MY RIGHT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND ASKED FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION FOR NONPARTISAN ELECTION ISSUES LAST WEEK AND WHETHER THEY WILL ANSWER OR RESPOND TO IT OR NOT IS THE QUESTION. AND NUMBER 2 THE COMMUNITY THANKS YOU FOR RAISING YOUR RATES AND BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GIVE ANOTHER $500 FOR CHARITY FROM MY FEBRUARY SALARY TO KEEP THIS AREA UP BEAUTIFUL AND CREATE A LEGACY.
AND FINALLY DOWN ON FRONT STREET SEVEN YEARS AGO WE BEGAN THE ODYSSEY OF TRYING TO REMOVE THE TELEPHONE POLES AND WE HAVE HIT ANOTHER MILESTONE THAT AT&T FINALLY TOOK THEIR MATERIALS OFF OF THEIR POLES CHARGING A $7000.
I THINK COMCAST FOR DOING IT FOR FREE AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS THOSE POLLS WILL COME DOWN IF THEY STICK TO THEIR SCHEDULE. AND THEN THERE WILL BE TWO POLES LEFT THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON AND THAT'S ALL I'VE
GOT. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROSS. COMMISSIONER ANTUN? NO, IT? COMMISSIONER AYSCUE?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO WISH OUR STATE SENATOR YARBOROUGH A
HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >> WILL THANK YOU.
>> THEY PROBABLY HAD A LATE SESSION BUT I WANTED TO WISH
HIM A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> THANK YOU MAYOR TO START WITH I ENJOYED OUR VISIT TO THE CAPITAL. NO ONE HAS TOUCHED ON THAT SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A MEETING SINCE THEN WHERE WE HAVE OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND WERE TRYING TO GET MONEY FOR THE RIVER SEAWALL AS WELL AS REVITALIZATION AND BEAUTIFICATION OF OUR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO FAR IT'S STILL MAKING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE ASKED FOR $4 MILLION AND THE STATE PUT UP WHERE THEY WOULD POSSIBLY GIVE US $2 MILLION AND THEY ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE HOUSE AS WELL AS WE PUT FORWARD $1 MILLION FOR DOWNTOWN AND THAT PARK IS WORKING THROUGH THE SENATE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO, CLAY YARBOROUGH AND DEAN BLACK ARE WORKING EXTENSIVELY FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA AND IT WILL BRING $3 MILLION TO THE CITY FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THAT.
THAT IS ONE THING THAT WILL BE A GREAT THING FOR OUR CITY TO HAVE THAT KIND OF COOPERATION WITH OUR STATE GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS THAT THEY WILL.
AND OBVIOUSLY BETTY JACOBSON, LAURA AND I ARE WORKING VERY HARD FOR US AS A USUAL. ON AN ENDING NOTE, HERE'S THE ARTICLE ON THE FRONT OF THE PAGE OF THE PAPER WHERE I HAD ANOTHER ETHICS COMPLAINT THAT WAS NOT REALLY MEANINGFUL.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THAT ON MY COMMENTS.
THE COMMISSION ON ETHICS RECENTLY ENTERED AN ORDER ON THE CASE FILED AGAINST ME LAST OCTOBER.
THE CASE INVOLVED ALLEGATIONS PERTAINING TO APRIL 18, 2023 CITY COMMISSION MEETING WHERE I ABSTAINED FROM VOTING ON WHETHER MISS SPOCK WOULD AUTHORIZE TO BEND ME AND ETHICS CASE. THE OCTOBER COMPLAINT STATED THAT I VIOLATED THE RULES OF ETHICS IN TWO WAYS.
NUMBER 1 THAT I DID NOT DISCLOSE THE NATURE OF MY CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND NUMBER 2 THAT I DID NOT FILE THE REQUIRED FORM AB MEMORANDUM A VOTING CONFLICT.
THE COMMISSION FOUND THAT BOTH OF THESE ALLEGATIONS WERE INCORRECT. THE NATURE OF MY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WAS PUBLICLY DISCLOSED BOTH ORALLY AND IN WRITING.
THE REASON I ABSTAINED FROM VOTING WAS LISTED ON THE MEETING'S AGENDA AND WAS FURTHER EXPLAINED BY MISS SPOCK. THE COMMISSION ALSO CONFIRM THAT I FILED THE CONFLICT FORM HOWEVER AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE SIMPLY I FORGOT TO FILE THE FORM WITHIN THE REQUIRED 15
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DAYS. AFTER CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF THE FACTS THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THAT NO FURTHER ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN ON MY INADVERTENT DELAY IN FILING.I FULLY COMPLY WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW BY IDENTIFYING THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, DISCLOSING IT PUBLICLY AND DECLINING TO VOTE. AS FOR BOTH I AND MR. ROSS ABSTAINED FROM VOTING ON THAT RESOLUTION, IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND MISS SPOCK WAS DEFENDING ME AGAINST THE ETHICS COMPLAINT WHICH ULTIMATELY WAS DISMISSED AS LACKING ANY PROBABLE CAUSE. I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY MISTAKE IN NOT FILING THE FORM WITHIN 15 DAYS.
AS SOON I REALIZED THE FORM HAD NOT BEEN FILED I IMMEDIATELY SUBMITTED IT TO THE CLERK. WHICH WAS NEARLY 3 MONTHS BEFORE THE ALLEGATIONS WERE MADE AGAINST ME.
THREE MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT. THE ALLEGATIONS THAT I FILED TO DISCLOSE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR THAT I NEVER FILED THE MEMORANDUM IN CONFLICT ARE SIMPLY WRONG.
AS SHOWN BY THE ETHICS COMMISSION ORDERED AND RECOMMENDATION OF NO FURTHER ACTION.
>> THANK YOU. AND VICE MAYOR WHICH YOU ALLOW ME TO FOLLOW UP ON THOSE COMMENTS?
IF THAT IS OKAY? >> YIELD THE FLOOR THAT'S
I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT AS WE HAVE WATCHED THESE TWO ETHICS COMPLAINTS GO THROUGH FOR THE VICE MAYOR AND WE SEE THAT THEY ARE TOTALLY UNFOUNDED, THIS IS JUST THE CONTINUED WEAPONIZATION OF THESE AND I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE VICE MAYOR THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THIS.
I HAVE GONE THROUGH FOUR ELECTIONS COMPLAINTS.
THERE WAS AN ONLINE MAGAZINE THAT WROTE A TERRIBLE ARTICLE THAT WAS USED IN THOSE ELECTIONS COMPLAINTS.
THEY WERE ALL UNFOUNDED TOTALLY.
THEY WERE WRONG. AND WE SEE THE CONTINUED ABUSE OF THE SYSTEM TO ATTACK SITTING COMMISSIONERS SIMPLY FOR POLITICAL REASONS. AND THEN WE SEE AGAIN SOMEBODY GET UP DURING THE QUASIJUDICIAL AND THREATEN AGAIN ETHICS COMPLAINTS. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE IN THE CITY AND I KNOW VICE MAYOR YOU SAY ARE WE MAKING THREAT TO CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE ZONING? WELL, WE JUST GOT TO ETHICS COMPLAINTS FOR ELECTION COMMISSION COMPLAINT AND EVEN THREATENED WITH ETHICS COMPLAINTS AGAIN. WE ARE SEEING THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY IS HAPPENING CONSISTENTLY.
IT IS WRONG. AND IT NEEDS TO STOP.
THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. >> ALL RIGHT.
YOU VICE MAYOR. HEADING DOWN I ONLY HAVE TWO VERY LIGHTHEARTED THINGS SO LET'S RAMP UP WITH THE BRIDGE OUT ON THE STREET.
RIDGE STRIPING. WHEN I PULLED UP YOU COULD SEE THE NEW STRIPING SPOTS AND THEY LOOK CRISP.
FEEL FREE TO ENJOY PARKING ANYWHERE UP AND DOWN THE STREET IS GOING TO BE GREAT AND I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE ANNUAL POLICE DEPARTMENT A BANQUET WAS HELD AND THE CHIEF WAS HERE AND A BIG SHOUT OUT TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYE OF THE YEAR SERGEANT BRITTANY DECKER IN THE CHIEF'S AWARD RECIPIENT WAS STEVE MANAHAN AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS CERTAINLY STRIVE FOR EXCELLENCE HERE, THERE AND EVERY DAY.
WITH THAT, THAT IS OUR MEETING WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.