[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
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>> MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> MEMBER NORMAN AND VICE CHAIR ESCLUSA ARE ABSENT.
>> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
>> THANK YOU. TONIGHT WITH THE ABSENCE OF ESCLUSA AND BECAUSE OF A COUPLE OF CONFLICTS ON DIFFERENT CASES, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE GOING TO SEAT MS. FILKOFF FOR THE FULL MEETING.
BOARD MEMBERS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF SEATING FILKOFF FOR THE FULL MEETING, PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.
>> ANY NAYS? HEARING NONE, FILKOFF IS SEATED FOR THE FULL MEETING.
THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO DO.
>> WE'RE GOING TO START WITH MS. KOSACK ON EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
>> I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT ARCHITECT ON 112 SOUTH 10TH HDC CASE 2023-0113 AND I WILL BE ABSTAINING.
>> I DID SPEAK WITH JOSE MIRANDA REGARDING HDC 2023-0099 THAT'S THE FIRST ONE ON THE FORM OF BUSINESS.
SPECIFICALLY, I REVIEWED WITH HIM MY COMMENTS AT THE PREVIOUS HDC MEETING JUST TO ENLIGHTEN HIM ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE ON BOARD.
>> JIMMY GO AHEAD AND SPEAK UP.
>> WE'RE A GERIATRIC AUDIENCE.
>> I SPOKE WITH JOSE MIRANDA AND I ENLIGHTENED HIM AS TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT PREVIOUS HDC MEETING REGARDING THAT PROJECT.
>> THANK YOU. WE WOULD ASK CITY ATTORNEY TO PRESENT THE CROSS-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES.
NO VARIANCES TONIGHT, COUNSEL.
>> GREAT. THANK YOU. TONIGHT WE HAVE SEVERAL CASES, EACH ONE OF THEM THE BOARD WILL CONDUCT A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.
FIRST, MS. GIBSON WITH CITY STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION, INTRODUCE HER STAFF REPORT AND ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND/OR THEIR AGENT IS GOING TO COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN THEY ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD AS WELL.
WHEN I SAY THE RECORD, WE ARE KEEPING AN AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDING OF TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS INTRODUCED INTO EVIDENCE, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DOCUMENTS THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT FOR EACH CASE, THE APPLICATION FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEIR AGENT, ETC, THAT'S ALL CONSIDERED EVIDENCE.
ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT WILL ALSO GO ONTO THE RECORD SAID BY THE PARTIES.
THE PARTIES ARE THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT.
AFFECTED PARTIES ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, SO IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY AND YOU WISH TO ENTER EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM WHEN THE CHAIR CALLS FOR AFFECTED PARTIES.
YOU WILL NOT BE LIMITED IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME YOU GET TO SPEAK.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO TAKE AN OATH SO EVERYBODY IS TESTIFYING UNDER OATH IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
NO MATTER WHAT CASE YOU'RE HERE FOR, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, JUST STAND EVERYBODY AT ONCE AND TAKE AN OATH, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT SURE.
[INAUDIBLE] TESTIMONY UNDER OATH AND THEN THE BOARD CHAIR, MR. SPINO IS GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT SOME POINT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS THE BOARD MEMBERS SOMETIMES HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PARTIES.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR AFFECTED PARTIES.
QUESTIONS FOR THE PARTIES I THINK ARE FINE AFTER YOU'VE CLOSED THE HEARING.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT AFFECTED PARTIES THEN GET TO CONTINUE TO PRESENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR WITNESSES OR AFFECTED PARTIES, YOU CAN ASK THEM TOO.
WE DON'T JUST START BACK AND FORTH AFTER YOU CLOSE THE HEARING.
IF THERE'S AN APPEAL OF ANY OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE TONIGHT,
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THE APPEAL HAS TO BE FILED WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE BOARD'S FINDINGS OF FACT.THEY'LL MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT IN EACH CASE, AND THE CHAIR ASSIGNS THOSE WITHIN A FEW BUSINESS DAYS SO ABOUT 35 CALENDAR DAYS FROM NOW IS THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, SO TO SPEAK, FOR FILING ANY APPEALS OF THE DECISIONS MADE TONIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY TONIGHT, PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND/OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>> MS. SYLVIE, HOLD ON A SECOND, THE AGENDA EARLIER? WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US MINUTES FROM THE PRIOR MEETING WHICH MS. SYLVIE HAS AMENDED.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
MS. SYLVIE, WHICH COPY DID WE HAVE IN OUR PACKETS? THE AMENDED, DO YOU HAVE?>> NO. YOU HAVE THE UNAMENDED NOT AMENDED.
THERE WAS A LINE MISSING FROM THREE OR FOUR MOTIONS THAT CONFIRMED THAT THE MOTION WAS APPROVED.
I ADDED ON AN AMENDED COPY IN YOUR FOLDER, I AMENDED THAT IN CASE ANYBODY WOULD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, LET ME VERY QUICKLY IF I CAN.
THE LINE THAT WAS DROPPED IN THREE OF THE CASES WAS VOTE UPON PASSAGE OF THE MOTION WAS TAKEN BY AYES AND NAYS AND BEING ALL AYES CARRIED.
THE MINUTES THAT THAT MS. SYLVIE HAS PROVIDED INCLUDE THAT LINE.
IT HAD BEEN EXCLUDED FROM OUR ORIGINAL MINUTES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE MINUTES?
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES.
>> I'LL OPPOSE. THE AMENDED MINUTES CARRY FORWARD. THANK YOU.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO MR. JEREMIAH.
[6.2 Presentation of City Activities Impacting Historic District Properties - Jeremiah Glission, Public Works Operations Director will present an update to the board]
WE'RE GOING TO REWORD THE AGENDA TONIGHT BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT IN HIS SCHEDULE.YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A BRIEF PROJECT UPDATE.
>> WE HAVE ASKED MR. GLISSON, THROUGH THE DIRECTOR, TO KEEP US UP TO SPEED ON THE PROJECTS GOING ON IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION.
HE'S GOING TO COME IN QUARTERLY OR TWICE A YEAR NOW WITH JUST A FEW MINUTES TO KEEP US UP TO SPEED SO THAT WHEN WE SEE STREETS GET TORE UP, WE KNOW WHY.
>> THANK YOU. IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> JEREMIAH GLISSON, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN THE DOWNTOWN AND SOME THINGS COMING UP.
IF YOU'RE AROUND CITY HOLIDAY, YOU CAN SMELL HERE, FEEL EVERYTHING HAPPENING.
SECOND STREET IS BEING REPAVED.
THAT IS PHASE 1 OF OUR STREET RESOURCING PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR.
WE'LL BE BACK IN THE DOWNTOWN AGAIN LATER THIS YEAR, BUT WE HAVE SOME STORM DRAINAGE PROJECTS, MOTOR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE WAY FIRST BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH PAVING, WHAT'S TORN UP AFTER THE FACT.
SECOND STREET WILL BE OPEN TOMORROW BEFORE THE WEEKEND.
BE GLAD TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
THE WEATHER'S NOT HELP US ANY.
HOT ASPHALT DOESN'T DO WELL, AND 32 DEGREE WEATHER ONCE YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT IT DOWN.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. PHASE 1 IS EVERYTHING. THEY'RE MARKED IN RED.
OF COURSE, WE GOT SECOND STREET AND WE'LL BE COMING BACK LATER THIS YEAR TO DO ASH STREET AND THIRD, AND THEN CONTINUE ON SECOND STREET TO THE NORTH DOWN TOWARD THE PORT.
THAT'S ONE PROJECT TOUCHING ON THE ACC THAT WE WANT TO MAKE AWARE OF.
THEN SECONDLY, OF COURSE, IS OUR DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPING, OR WHAT'S LEFT OF IT.
THE COMMISSION JUST AWARDED THE BID TO THE GREENERY, AND WE'RE WORKING ON A CONTRACT WITH THAT COMPANY TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPE SERVICES IN THE DOWNTOWN, AND THAT WILL INCLUDE WEEKLY WORK.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE EVERY WEEK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
WEEDING, MOWING, MULCHING, VEGETATED DEBRIS REMOVAL.
THAT'S SCHEDULED TO BECOME EFFECTIVE 3/1.
WE HAVE SIX MONTHS. THIS CONTRACT WASN'T FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR.
WE MOVED SOME MONEY AROUND TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND WE'LL FUND APPROPRIATELY FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR.
SECONDLY, IS THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION.
WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS ON THAT, OF COURSE, IS GOING TO BE A THREE-YEAR PROJECT AS IT'S PLANNED NOW THAT'S DOING A LOT OF WORK TO OUR SIDEWALKS, OUR LIGHTING, OUR COMMON AREAS, SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED WITH TREES.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES THERE IN SOME OF THE PICTURES.
WE'RE MEETING NEXT WEEK TO HAVE OUR FIRST PROJECT KICKOFF MEETING WITH KIMLEY-HORN
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WHO'S ALSO INVOLVED IN OUR DOWNTOWN SEAWALL DESIGN AND SOME OF THAT WORK.LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THAT UNDERWAY.
DOWNTOWN NEED SOME TLC. NEXT PART.
>> WE'RE STILL HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THE PAVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. THAT'LL BE IN THAT.
>> YES. THAT'S PART OF THAT. THEY PROVIDE THAT DESIGN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE LOCATION OF ALL THOSE NEW BIKE RIDES.
>> ANDRE ASKED ME TO PASS THIS ALONG, REGARDING AREA 5, THIS IS THE STREET THAT'S NOT OPENING QUICK ENOUGH, BUT HERE WE ARE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NEW CONTRACTOR STILL WAITING ON PRICING.
WE'RE IN THE COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM ON ALACHUA STREET, EXPECT PRICING BY THE END OF THIS MONTH AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
REGARDING AREA 6 ON THIS SIDE OF THE STORM DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, WORK IS GOING TO BE DONE, PLANS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE ENGINEER AND WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
FINAL PERMITTING AND BIDDING ARE THE NEXT STEPS.
ONCE THAT WORK'S DONE, THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN AND PAVE, AND THAT'S WHY WE SCHEDULE THAT FOR LATER ON THIS CALENDAR YEAR.
NEXT. AS YOU'RE AWARE, HOPEFULLY SO, THIS WILL BE HEADING BACK TO YOU ALL SOON.
THE COMMISSION VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AT THE TUESDAY'S NIGHT MEETING.
LOOK TO SEE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING, I BELIEVE.
THERE WAS A MOTION THIS MEETING.
>> HOPEFULLY, I'M IN THE AGENDA. THAT'S COMING UP LATER TONIGHT.
ANOTHER PROJECT OF INTEREST THAT WE'RE PROUD TO SEE SOME MONEY BEING PUT INTO IS OUR PECK CENTER.
WHAT'S NEXT, OR MOBILIZING THIS WEEK IS THE RESTORATION OF THE GYMNASIUM PORTION OF THE BUILDING, NAMELY THE ROOF SYSTEMS. THIS IS A SEVEN ROOF SYSTEM THAT IS A GRANT FUNDED PROJECT, A $850,000 PROJECT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EVERYTHING AROUND THE GYMNASIUM HAVE THOSE ROOF SYSTEMS RESTORED AND/OR REPLACED.
AS YOU'LL RECALL WE HAD THE WHOLE RE-POINTING PROJECT WHICH IS COMPLETELY RESTORING THE BRICK FACADE, THAT WAS LAST YEAR.
WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE THIS GRANT AWARD AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
WHATEVER FUNDS ARE LEFT OVER, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO SOME FLOORING REPLACEMENTS IN THE INTERIOR DEPENDING ON WHAT'S LEFT OVER FROM THIS PROJECT.
>> ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THAT.
>> IT'S THE AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE RESOURCES GRANT [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A GREAT GRANT.
IT WAS A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT.
WE HAD $150,000 MATCH, IT WAS A GREAT WIN FOR THE CITY TO WIN THAT, WE SCORED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF APPLICANTS AND WE WERE EXCITED AND SURPRISED TO SCORE AND TO WIN.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IS JUST SOME WORK WE'VE DONE, THE OLD TOWN.
REMEMBER LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED ABOUT CONVERTING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO ONE WAY AND MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WE'VE DONE, AND ALSO CLEANING OUT THAT BLUFF AREA, MOVING SOME ELEMENTS AROUND WHICH WE'VE DONE AND THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN POSITIVE.
>> DID YOU DO THE ONE WAY IN THE DIRECTION THAT THEY REQUESTED?
>> THEY WANTED IT WESTBOUND AND WE DID IT WESTBOUND.
>> DROVE IT THE OTHER DAY, AND WE FIXED THAT SWALE PROBLEM ON THAT HOUSE UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
>> IN THE PAST, JEREMIAH, WHEN WE'VE HAD REPAVING DONE, SOMETIMES THEY GET A LITTLE SLOPPY AROUND THE COBBLESTONE CROSSINGS.
ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN?
>> YES, MA'AM. THEY COVERED THEM IN SAND.
THEY'LL BE DOING THAT CLEAN UP TOMORROW.
THEY COVERED IN THE SAND TO PREVENT THE MACHINES FROM IT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY BRUTAL.
ACTIVITIES GOING ON DOWN THERE TO HELP PROTECT THE BASE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. IT'S NICE TO KNOW WHAT'S COMING AND PROGRESS WE'RE MAKING.
AS WE ALLUDED TO, I GUESS, MISS FINKELSTEIN WILL BE DOING THE PRESENTATION LATER.
VERY GOOD. IS MR. PLATT AROUND JUST IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HIM? NO? THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
APPLICANTS AND AUDIENCE MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BRING MR. WILSON UP FIRST. I KNOW IT'S OUT OF ORDER.
SOME OF THE CONFLICTS WE ALWAYS TRY TO ACCOMMODATE IF WE CAN IF PEOPLE HAVE CONFLICTS AND IN THIS CASE, HE'S GOT ONE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS CASE HDC 2023-0099.
[4.1 HDC 2023-0099 - NOCCA CONTRACTING LLC, AGENT FOR ASHLEY & COREY FURMAN, 103 N. 6TH STREET FINAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 1-story addition. (Quasi-Judicial) (Pending revisions to be submitted for consideration at the board hearing)]
THIS IS THE HERTH HOUSE AT 103 NORTH 6TH STREET ON MR. AND MISS FURMAN'S PROPERTY, DIRECTOR.I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BOTH THE APPLICANT PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL AS THEIR AGENT HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND SPECIFIC DETAILS.
WE HAVE COVERED THIS ITEM AT TWO PRIOR MEETINGS NOW IN BOTH NOVEMBER AND IN DECEMBER FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND SOME CHANGES HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED.
THEY WERE CIRCULATED TO YOU ON TUESDAY EVENING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
I HAVE SOME OF THOSE DETAILS PULLED UP HERE FOR DISPLAY PURPOSES.
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BUT TO STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 103 NORTH 6TH STREET.THEY ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF A ONE STORY ADDITION TOTALING JUST OVER 19 FEET IN HEIGHT WITH A FOOTPRINT OF 654 SQUARE FEET.
AS WE'VE INDICATED IN THE PAST, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT CONSISTENT TO HAVE A FRONT ADDITION IN THE WAY THAT IS INDICATED HERE AND PROPOSED, BECAUSE OF SITE CONSTRAINTS AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS TIED TO THAT PROPERTY, THIS IS THE ONLY FEASIBLE LOCATION FOR THAT IMPROVEMENT TO TAKE PLACE.
SOME OF THE UPDATES, AND I WILL LET THE APPLICANT REALLY GET INTO DETAILS OF THAT, IS THAT THEY HAVE MODIFIED THE MATERIALS FOR THE STRUCTURE.
THEY'VE MODIFIED THE BRICK WATER TABLE.
THEY HAVE PROPOSED SIMILAR BRACKETS TO WHAT EXISTS ON THE FIRST STORY OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT ARE DIFFERENT.
WINDOWS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO HAVE AN ARCHED HEAD TRIM, BUT A MORE SIMPLE FLAT TRIM AROUND THE SIDES AND THE BOTTOM.
THEY'VE CORRECTED SOME OF THE DISCREPANCIES IN THE DESIGN DRAWINGS THAT ARE PROVIDED AND HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH SOME WALL DETAILS FOR YOUR DISCUSSION.
I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE TWO SLIDES THAT DEMONSTRATE THE WALL DETAILS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED NEW ELEVATION.
THEN WITH BOARD CONDITIONS, AS HOPEFULLY THE BOARD WILL ARTICULATE THIS EVENING, I WOULD RECOMMEND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME, PREDOMINANTLY BECAUSE WE'RE LACKING SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT GIVES US A COMPLETE PICTURE.
BUT IF IT'S UP TO THE BOARD AND YOU FEEL THAT WE CAN CONFIDENTLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INTO PERMITTING AND REVIEW IT, THEN IT'S UP TO THE BOARD IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCRETION FOR FINAL APPROVAL AS WELL.
MEMBER FROILAN WHO IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING HAS ISSUED SOME COMMENTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THEY MIGHT BE READ INTO THE RECORD OR I CAN PASS THEM OUT FOR YOUR REVIEW.
>> JUST DO BOTH. IF YOU PASS THEM OUT I MIGHT REVIEW.
>> THEN THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY TO THE APPLICANTS SO THAT THEY HAD A LEVEL OF AWARENESS PRIOR TO THE HEARING TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR?
>> YOU SENT US THESE UPDATES TUESDAY?
>> I BELIEVE SO. TUESDAY EVENING.
>> THANK YOU. BUT IF WE COULD GET TO A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS IN SIDE OF A MOTION FOR A FINAL, YOU'D BE OKAY WITH THAT?
>> IT WOULD NEED TO BE EXTREMELY CLEAR AND SPECIFIC.
>> AS TO WHAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE?
>> I LIKE THAT. I THINK JIM'S TAKING NOTES.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WONDER WHAT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WOULD BE FOR ME TO READ SOME OF THIS INTO THE RECORD.
>> MAYBE DO A BOARD DISCUSSION.
>> I NEED TO GET IT ON THE RECORD AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WOULD BE TO READ THESE COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD.
>> I THINK THE STAFF SHOULD BE REVIEWING THAT.
>> WOULD YOU GO AHEAD DIRECTOR.
WOULD YOU READ FROILAN'S HERTH HOUSE COMMENTS DIRECTLY INTO THE RECORD.
IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF PARAGRAPHS.
>> I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THIS IS?
>> CHAPTER 11 IN QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
>> THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT EARLIER TODAY.
AS AN ARCHITECT, I KNEW HE WANTED HIS INPUT SO HE PROVIDED IT TO THE DIRECTOR AND SHE'S GOING TO SHARE IT WITH US AND THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME.
>> JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT I'M SAYING, CHAPTER 11 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDES OUR PROCEDURES FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.
ONE OF THOSE IS WE'VE HAD RESIDENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT A PROJECT.
THEY WANT TO SEND AN EMAIL, OR THEY WANT THEIR NEIGHBOR OR ANOTHER NEIGHBOR TO READ THEIR LETTER BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T BE HERE.
THAT'S NOT ALLOWED UNDER OUR CODE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE FOR CROSS EXAMINATION, BUT THAT'S FOR THOSE TESTIFYING.
BOARD MEMBERS DON'T TESTIFY, SO THIS WILL BE ALLOWED.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. I WAS BEING RESPECTFUL TO MY BOSS.
>> LET'S TRY TO KEEP YOU [INAUDIBLE]
>> MR. ESCLUSA INDICATES THAT HE CONCURS, AND I'LL READ DIRECTLY, I CONCUR WITH MIRANDA'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS DETAILED ON HIS LETTER.
I STRONGLY AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO ELIMINATE THE CUPOLA FOR TWO REASONS.
IT IS TOO PROMINENT OF AN ELEMENT AND NEGATIVELY COMPETES WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE.
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THE CUPOLA DOES NOT HAVE ANY PURPOSE ON THE INTERIOR, AND IT IS ONLY AN AESTHETIC APPLICATION ON THE EXTERIOR.I ASSUME WITH MR. MIRANDA'S RECOMMENDATIONS, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE DETAILS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FINAL APPROVAL, SUCH AS THE WINDOW TYPE, BRICK DETAILS, OR OTHERS.
THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD DEFER TO THE BOARD IF THEY FEEL THEY HAVE SUFFICIENT DETAIL FOR A FINAL APPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SLUSA FOR PROVIDING THAT, EVEN IN HIS ABSENCE.
WITH THAT, BOARD MEMBERS WILL MOVE TO JOSE ARE YOU CARRYING THIS?
>> PLEASE COME ON UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND THANK YOU FOR SETTING UP.
>> YES, JOSE MIRANDA, MIRANDA ARCHITECTS.
WE'VE BEEN RETAINED BY COREY AND ASHLEY FURMAN TO ESSENTIALLY SERVE AS A DESIGN CONSULTANT TO PUSH US OVER THE FINISH LINE.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS LAST TIME I WAS HERE FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING, AND COREY FILLED ME IN ON WHAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE PLUS MR. POZARS FILLED ME IN ON SOME OF THE HISTORY AND PUT THOUGHTS TOGETHER ABOUT WHAT WAS LACKING.
OBVIOUSLY, THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, THERE WERE A LOT OF DISCREPANCIES, THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT CALLED OUT CORRECTLY ON VARIOUS SHEETS SO WE JUMPED IN TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE.
WE REDLINED ESSENTIALLY THEIR SET OF DRAWINGS AND PROVIDED AN ELEVATION THAT WE FELT ADDRESSED ALL OF THE ACC CONCERNS AT THAT TIME AND PROVIDED A WALL SECTION THAT SHOWED HOW IT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED SO THAT IT MET YOUR REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER 1, THE BIG ONE WAS REMOVAL OF THE COUPLE BECAUSE IT WAS OVERSCALED AND IT COMPETED WITH THE EXISTING ITALIANATE TOWER.
THE OWNERS WERE FINE WITH THAT.
WE CLARIFIED SOME OF THE DETAILING ON THE SIDING.
I THINK ORIGINALLY THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO MATCH THE EXISTING SIDING, WHICH WAS A DUTCH LAP.
WITH EXPOSURE WE'VE RECOMMENDED A SIMPLE WOOD LAP SIDING, FIVE AND A HALF INCH EXPOSURE, TWO BY FOUR FLAT CORNER BOARDS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO MATCH THE MULTI-PIECED CORNER BOARDS OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
THE BRACKETS ARE A PREFABRICATED BRACKET THAT LOOKS SIMILAR IN TERMS OF PROPORTION AND SCALE TO THE MAIN HOUSE BUT ARE NOT A COPY AND WE'VE SPACED THOSE AND DETAILED THOSE ON THE SECTION AND ELEVATION.
WE'VE ADDED A FREEZE BOARD BAND, WHICH AGAIN HARKENS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.
WITHOUT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HAS GOT PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR PIECES OF FREEZE-UP ABOVE THERE WE'RE JUST KEEPING IT SIMPLE.
THE CHALLENGE HERE WAS BECAUSE THIS ADDITION IS ACTUALLY DOWN BELOW GRADE AND YOU'VE GOT A HOUSE THAT SENSUAL WAS DESIGNED OFF-GRADE WITH PIERCE.
THE NEXT BEST SOLUTION WAS THE FIRM HAS WANTED TO KEEP A BRICK DETAILING SO WE JUST SET A BRICK WATER TABLE AND WITH THE TRUE BRICK WATER TABLE, IT'S NOT A BRICK VENEER WHICH WOULD HAVE TO STOP A FEW INCHES BEFORE GROUND.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO THE APPEARANCE IS THAT IT'S A SOLID MASON RECONSTRUCTION, AT LEAST ON THAT PORTION OF IT.
WE'VE ADDRESSED WITH THIS ELEVATION AND THE WALL SECTION THE CONCERNS THE HCC HAD ON THE PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND AT THIS POINT, WE'RE REQUESTING FINAL APPROVAL.
OBVIOUSLY, I'VE ALREADY INFORMED THE FIRMANS THAT THEIR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS WILL HAVE TO MATCH THESE.
THEY'VE ASKED ME TO SEE IF WE CAN HANDLE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
IT'S ALL A MATTER OF SCHEDULE, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.
IT MAY BE THAT I SERVE AS A CONSULTANT TO HELP THEIR DESIGNER FINISH AND COORDINATE THOSE DRAWINGS TO GET IT INTO PERMITTING, TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING MATCHES WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED AT THIS STAGE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> I THINK HE'S ALREADY ADDRESSED.
>> I HAD ONE, AND THAT'S REGARDING THE WINDOW.
IF YOU SEE THE DRAWING UP THERE, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN'T SEE IN THIS ELEVATION, YOU MEAN? YEAH. OKAY. NORTH. I REMEMBER IN THE PREVIOUS ITERATION, IT DIDN'T MATCH THE ONES ON THE FRONT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THE INTENT TO HAVE THAT WINDOW MATCH THE ONES ON THE FRONT?
>> YEAH, THE INTENT IS FOR ALL THE WINDOWS TO MATCH.
I HAVEN'T CHECKED THAT ELEVATION SPECIFICALLY.
KELLY, DO YOU HAVE THE MARKUP ELEVATION FOR THAT SIDE?
>> I CAN PULL THAT IF YOU JUST GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES THERE.
>> BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DIFFERENT SIZE BECAUSE IT'S A BATHROOM.
THESE ARE PRETTY TALL WINDOWS AND WHETHER THE PROPORTION IS CHANGED, BUT THE INTEND IS FOR THE TRIM TO MATCH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE ACTUAL SHAPE AND SIZE WILL BE THE SAME.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS AIMING TOWARDS JUST TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU TRANSIT ACROSS THE HOUSE AND YOU GET TO SEE THAT END.
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>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA?
>> BRACKETS. FIRST-FLOOR BRACKETS ARE A DIFFERENT SCALE THAN SECOND-FLOOR BRACKETS IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
>> YES. THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BRACKETS ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
>> I'VE LIVED THE STREET OF RESIDES SIDING ON THIS HOUSE, AT LEAST.
>> THE SIDING ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS WHAT THREE?
>> DIFFERENT CASES? DUTCH, THERE'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEN THERE'S ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
>> THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO HERE WITH FIVE INCH?
>> GOING TO BE A ONE BY 80 ESSENTIALLY.
>> IT'S TRUE WOOD. IT'S NOT HARDY OR ANYTHING ELSE.
IF IT WERE HARDY, IT'D BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT DETAIL PROFILE BUT THE OWNERS REALLY WANTED SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL.
>> THIS IS STARTING TO FEEL [OVERLAPPING].
>> YES, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S SIMILAR.
THIS SIZE PROBABLY MATCHES THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, EXCEPT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BROADER.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO MATCH THE JAM TRIM AND THE HEAD TRIM ON THIS SIDE BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S STARTS RIGHT HERE AT THAT WATER TABLE, WHICH IS TWO FEET ROUGHLY ABOVE THE FLOOR.
>> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE WRONG VERSION BECAUSE IN THIS PACKET WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL.
ONE OF THEM IN THE ORIGINAL ACTUALLY MADE IT LOOK AS THOUGH THE ROOF OF THE COUPLE OF THE EXIST AND CUPOLA WOULD BE FLATTENED.
>> NO, THERE IS AN EXISTING HAT SO TO SPEAK, OVER HERE ON THE KITCHEN WING OF THE HOUSE THIS THING RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S EXISTING. THIS IS ALL THE EXISTING HOUSE.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER A9 UNDER THE ORIGINAL, I BELIEVE HAD THE TOP OF THE EXISTING CUPOLA LOOKING FLAT.
>> THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> NO. WE'RE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND WE'VE ELIMINATED THE CUPOLA ON THE ADDITION.
IF THERE'S A DRAFTING ANOMALY, WE WILL MARK IT UP MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA.
>> SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THE EXECUTION YOU WILL BE INVOLVED YES, THROUGH?
>> WHETHER WE ACTUALLY PERFORM THE WORK OR WHETHER WE DIRECT THEIR DESIGNER TO DO IT AND MAYBE THAT WE DIRECT A DESIGNER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SUCH A BACKLOG AND I THINK COREY AND ASHLEY ARE ANXIOUS TO GET STARTED SO WHATEVER IS PRUDENT.
>> WHO STEPS THE DRAWINGS IN THE END?
>> THEIR DESIGNER. I'M NOT PROVIDING CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, I DON'T SIGN THE SEAL.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST BASICALLY A DESIGN CONSULTANT.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE DETAILS MATCH AND BASED ON MY RECOMMENDATIONS, WE LIKE SYNCHRONICITY.
>> WHAT WAS THE STAFF'S REASON?
>> THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE NOW WHAT WAS IT?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.
>> KELLY WAS TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT CONCEPTUAL BUT WE AGREED, I THINK KELLY AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THAT IF WE CAN GET TO A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN A MOTION, WE HOPE TO GET TO FINAL TIME, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SPELL THOSE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT.
>> DO WE HAVE THOSE ENUMERATED FROM STAFF? WHAT IS LACKING?
>> WELL, WE HAVE THAT BUT IN YOUR NEW ANALYSIS, WHEN YOU SAID CONCEPTUAL WITH CONDITIONS, WE HAVE WHAT THOSE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ARE?
>> I ONLY INDICATED THE CONDITIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY SET IN ORDER TO ISSUE THAT APPROVAL.
>> SO YOU DON'T HAVE A PRESET.
HERE'S WHAT I NEED TO MOVE FORWARD?
>> THE ONLY THING WE DO HAVE IS FROM MEMBER ESCLUSA, WHO INDICATED THAT IF THERE WAS SUFFICIENT DETAIL THAT HE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH FINAL APPROVAL.
>> IF I MIGHT ASK KELLY, YOUR STAFF REPORT WAS BEFORE WE SUBMITTED ANY REVISIONS?
>> JUST SO YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE WERE BROUGHT IN GAVE THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WE WENT BACK TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU GUYS HAD DISCUSSED LAST TIME TO MAKE SURE WE HIT ALL THE MAIN POINTS.
>> JUST FOR CLARITY THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT FROM A PUBLIC SUNSHINE PERSPECTIVE, IT HAD TO BE DONE LAST WEEK IT COULDN'T BE DONE AFTER YOUR MATERIAL WAS PROVIDED.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MIRANDA.
>> THE WINDOW APPLICATION SHOWS UP ANDERSON 400 SERIES IN THE APPLICANT MATERIAL.
>> THAT'S IN THERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHICH IS ON YOUR APPROVED LIST AND WE FIGURED THAT WASN'T AN ISSUE.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ABOUT BRICK TYPE.
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YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT COLOR, PLEASE.>> WELL, I'M JUST SAYING. YOU ASKED FOR COLORS.
>> I'M ALWAYS GOING TO DEFER TO PRIOR CHAIRS ON STUFF LIKE THAT.
MR. PRESTA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO BE SURE WE UNDERSTAND? YOU'VE HEARD EIGHT INCH LAUGH OF THE 5.5' EXPOSURE TONIGHT.
>> NO, I THINK I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE.
THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND COMPLIMENTS TO THE OWNER FOR REALLY LISTENING AT THE LAST MEETING.
THEY SEEM TO REALLY FOLLOW THROUGH ON THIS BECAUSE THE RED LINES SHOW THAT ALL THOSE LITTLE DISCREPANCIES WE WERE SEEING HAVE BEEN SCRUTINIZED AND CALLED OUT, AND HOPEFULLY WILL GET FIXED ON THE NEXT ITERATION.
CERTAINLY, THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ADDITION ARE RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE THINGS WE WERE LOOKING AT AND ASKING ABOUT AND LOOKING FOR.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD ADDITION AT THIS POINT AND WE JUST NEED TO GET THOSE LAST LITTLE BITS IN.
>> THIS WILL BE BOARD DISCUSSION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORENO?
>> WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 202-03-0909, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME.
SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
JIM, ARE YOU FEELING LIKE WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN GET A FILE TONIGHT OR DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE THESE DRAWINGS REFINED ONE MORE TIME?
>> WELL, I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES AND I'LL READ OUT WHAT I'VE WRITTEN DOWN AND SEE IF ANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE OTHER STUFF YOU WANT TO ADD OR MODIFY.
BECAUSE WHAT I'M SEEING IS REALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR CUT SHEETS ON THE WINDOW, MAKE AND MANUFACTURER THAT THEY PLAN TO USE, I HEARD ANDERSON 400, SO THAT OUGHT TO BE EASY.
GET SOMETHING ON THE BRICK SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT BRICK THEY'RE GOING TO PICK TO CUT SHEET ON THAT.
THE BRACKETS SINCE THEY'RE A PRE-FAB ELEMENT, MAYBE A CUT SHEET ON THE BRACKETS.
SUFFICIENT DETAILS LIKE A WALL SECTION THAT'S GOT ALL THE CALL OUTS ON IT THAT WOULD TALK TOWARDS, AND JOSE HAS GOT A LOT OF IT RIGHT THERE ON THAT, BUT THE FASCIA, SOFFIT, THE FREEZE BOARD, THE BRACKETS, THE SIDING, CALLING IT OUT AS WOOD AND WHAT THE EXPOSURE IS, AND THEN THE REALLY IMPORTANT BIT BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HOW THE WHOLE THING WORKS IS THAT BRICKWATER TABLE.
IT'S ALREADY PRETTY WELL CALLED OUT RIGHT THERE WHAT'S GOING ON.
A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THERE IN THOSE TWO SKETCHES.
BUT LIKE I HAD CALLED OUT, I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER ELEVATIONS ARE, THE NORTH AND THE WEST, BUT GIVEN THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THAT EAST ELEVATION, CARRYING THAT THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT STAFF CAN LOOK AT THOSE AND SEE THAT THE DETAILING MATCHES BECAUSE I'M HAPPY WITH THAT DETAILING.
>> I SPOKE TO THE DIRECTOR ABOUT THIS AND SHE'S COMFORTABLE AND, OF COURSE, SHE WILL CALL UPON SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO CONFIRM THAT WHATEVER COMES IN FOR A FINAL IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT.
WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH A FINAL, AND IF SO, WHAT CONDITIONS WOULD YOU ADD OTHER THAN STAFF APPROVAL FOR SOME OF THESE CALLOUTS?
>> I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
IF SOMEONE FROM THE BOARD PERHAPS COULD SIT WITH STAFF AND LOOK THROUGH THOSE.
>> WELL, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO IT OR TAMMY, WHO I'M SURE IS CAPABLE.
>> I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING, TROLIAN'S WORKING, HE'S NOT EVEN HERE.
DIRECTOR'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK THAT COOPER WAS AN INTERESTING NOTION, BUT IN RETROSPECT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT.
THEY SOLVED THE SIDING PROBLEM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE WINDOW PROBLEM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GOING TO READ RIGHT.
YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THAT LOOKS LIKE A LATER ADDITION THAT'S
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CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC PATTERN OF THE EXISTING HOME, AND THAT'S REALLY APPROPRIATE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.>> THE OWNERS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE POOL THE WAY THEY WANT TO USE IT AND ALL THE NICE PARTS OF OWNING A HOME.
>> AS WE AGE OUT, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT A FIRST FLOOR MASTER SUITE.
>> IF YOU HAVEN'T BUILT IT YET, GET READY.
>> CAN I JUST? HOW CERTAIN ARE WE THAT MR. MIRANDA IS GOING TO STAY INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT? I KNOW THAT'S YOUR INTENT RIGHT NOW.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR ME. I MEAN, AND I HAVE SPOKEN, THEY'VE ASKED ME TO HELP IT GET OVER, GET HIM TO THE FINISH LINE.
>> CAN YOU TELL WE'RE NERVOUS?
>> CAN I ANSWER THAT REALLY QUICKLY? JUST FROM AS PROCEDURE STANDPOINT.
>> I FELT LIKE A DIRECT QUESTION WAS ASKED.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I WAS LOOKING AT COUNSEL TO SEE IF I CAN TAKE TIME.
>> OKAY. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH THE RECORD. YES.
>> COREY FURMAN, 103 NORTH SIXTH STREET.
YES, I'M GOING TO HIRE HIM, YES.
>> WE LIKE THOSE ONE WORD ANSWERS, MR. FURMAN.
>> IF I COULD ADD TO THAT, MR. FURMAN HAS APPOINTED JOSE MIRANDA TO BE HIS AUTHORIZED AGENT ON THIS CASE.
>> MOVING FORWARD, SO I WILL BE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH HIM IN GETTING THOSE UPDATES AND INFORMATION.
>> THERE WAS ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, JOSE. I GUESS IT'S YOU.
THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS ADDITION AND THE EXISTING HOUSE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO SALVAGE ANY OF THAT EXISTING HOUSE MATERIAL?
>> SINCE WE WERE TASKED AND LOOKING AT THE OUTSIDE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT IN WHAT THE DRAWINGS SHOW.
BUT YES, IF WE CAN SALVAGE IT.
BUT I THINK THE OPENING IS GOING TO REMOVE SOME MATERIAL.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF CONDITION IT'S IN.
>> IT'S A PRETTY SMALL CONNECTION, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE IS TO SALVAGE VALUE.
IT'S MOST OF IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPENING,.
>> IT'S VERY SMALL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE STEPS UP FROM THE ADDITION, BASICALLY RUN INTO THE STAIRWAY IN THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO THAT'S A REAL SMALL, NARROW OPENING.
>> I'M JUST ARTICULATED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, JUST THREE OR FOUR POINTS.
>> YOU CAN DO THAT AS PART OF YOUR MOTION SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL.
WE TRUST STAFF TO COME BACK TO US.
>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DO IT?
>> GIVE US A MOMENT HERE. WE'RE GOING TO FORMULATE A MOTION.
>> HE'S WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF TO CONFIRM.
>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAY WE CAN GET OVER THE FINISH LINE.
I GUESS THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU, MR. FURMAN FOR TAKING ON THIS PROCESS VERY SERIOUSLY.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT YOU THROUGH THE RING AROUND TO SWIM IN, BUT THIS IS THE HERE'S A BIG DEAL.
WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU GET IT AND WE GET IT.
>> YEAH. MR. PRESTA WAS TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> GOT THE RIGHT LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME?
>> OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0099, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT CUT SHEETS BEING PROVIDED DEMONSTRATING THE WINDOWS INTENDED TO BE USED, THE BRICK INTENDED TO BE USED, THE BRACKETS INTENDED TO BE USED, AND THAT A COMPLETE SET OF DETAILS OUTLINING THE WALL SECTION WITH THE FASCIA, SOFFIT, WALL FINISH, FREEZE BOARD, BRACKETS AND WATER TABLE TO BE DESCRIBED.
THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL SET OF DRAWINGS BE MODIFIED PER THE RED LINES SHOWN AT THIS MEETING TONIGHT TO ELIMINATE ALL THE DISCREPANCIES AND ELEMENTS THAT DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER.
I ALSO MOVE THAT THE REVIEW OF THIS SUBMITTED MATERIAL BE SUBJECT TO STAFF APPROVAL WITH AN HDC MEMBER PRESENT TO ASSIST IN THE REVIEW OF THOSE ITEMS. I MOVE THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2023-0099 AS PRESENTED,
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IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.>> MOVE, PIZZATA. SECOND KOSACK.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I THINK WE'VE BEATEN THAT HORSE.
[5.1 HDC 2023-0112 - JAMES POZZETTA, ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR JOHN A. + LISA R. LAUB, 102 S. 10TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to rehabilitate all exterior windows, reconfigure 1 window on 3rd floor, repaint siding, add screenings for a/c units and new generator, add wood arches, and paint porch ceilings. (Quasi-Judicial).]
MR. POZZETTA IS GOING TO RECUSE HIMSELF AT THIS TIME FOR THE CASE AT 102 SOUTH 10TH STREET, EVERYBODY ON SOUTH 10TH STREET DECIDED THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING [OVERLAPPING]>> MAKES IT CONVENIENT FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TO THE SAME MEETING NOW.
>> DIRECTOR, PLEASE REVIEW THIS CASE.
THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL TO REFINISH AND RESTORE ALL EXTERIOR WINDOWS.
RECONFIGURE ONE EAST FACING WINDOW, THE REAR WINDOW ON THE THIRD FLOOR, FOR PURPOSES OF MAKING IT COMPLIANT WITH THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
REPAINTING AND SIDING, ADD NEW SCREENINGS FOR AN AC UNIT AND A NEW GENERATOR, ADD WOODEN ARCHES, ADD PORCH LIGHTS, AND TO PAINT THE CEILING OF THE PORCH.
I APOLOGIZE, THAT GOT CUT OFF ON THE SLIDE HERE.
STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND FOUND IT TO BE COMPLIANT AS WELL AS ALL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES AS APPROPRIATE AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR?
>> THAT'S USUALLY WHERE JIM HAS A QUESTION.
>> WE MOVE ON TO MR. POZZETTA.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL US, SIR? PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> JAMES POZZETTA, ARCHITECT, 103 SOUTH 18TH STREET.
THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS ON THIS HOUSE ARE FAIRLY MINIMAL.
WE FOUND PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT AT THE FIRST FLOOR FRONT PORCH, THERE WERE ORIGINALLY SMALL ARCH PIECES OF TRIM THAT HAVE BEEN LOST.
WE'RE PLANNING ON ADDING THOSE BACK.
WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL SOME NEW PRIVACY SCREENING AROUND THE UTILITY YARDS AND GENERATOR.
THESE HAPPEN IN THE SIDE YARD, THEY'RE REALLY NOT VIEWABLE FROM THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO ADD TWO ACTUAL GAS LIGHTS FLANKING THE FRONT DOOR AND TWO FLANKING THE REAR DOOR ON THOSE PORCHES AND ON THE REAR ELEVATION, THERE IS A WINDOW IN THE UPPER, ON THE THIRD FLOOR IN THE GABLE, THAT BY ROTATING THE WINDOW 90 DEGREES, WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT CODE COMPLIANT SO THAT WE CAN CREATE A BEDROOM IN THERE.
WE'LL USE THE SAME WINDOW, IT'S JUST FLIPPED 90 DEGREES SO THAT IT'S 180 SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET EMERGENCY EGRESS OUT OF IT.
OTHERWISE, ALL THOSE EXISTING WINDOWS ARE GOING TO BE RESTORED.
AN INTERESTING THING THAT YOU DON'T USUALLY SEE IS THAT AT THE SECOND FLOOR, THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT ON THE FRONT PORCH IS THROUGH A WINDOW.
BUT THESE ARE BIG, HUGE, EIGHT FOOT TALL DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS.
IT'S INTERESTING AND UNIQUE, I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THAT BEFORE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO REFURBISH THOSE WINDOWS AND MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE THEM TO GET OUT ON THE PORCH.
WITH THAT, I THINK IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> QUESTIONS FOR MR. POZZETTA?
>> JIM, THOSE ARE DOUBLE TONGS HUNG ON THE SECOND STORY BALCONY?
>> YOU HAVE TO DUCK BELOW BOTH SASHES WHEN YOU PUSH THEM UP?
>> PEOPLE PUSH FOR HIM. [LAUGHTER]
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT.
>> YOU'RE KEEPING THOSE WINDOWS, YOU'RE JUST REFURBING THEM, YOU'RE NOT CHANGING THE STYLE OF THE DESIGNER.
>> A LOT OF THE WINDOWS, YOU CAN SEE THAT SEEDED GLASS, THEY'RE REALLY NICE WINDOWS.
WE'RE RENOVATING THE KITCHEN AREA INSIDE, BUT WITH THE NEW CABINETRY IT'S JUST GOING TO NOTCH AROUND THOSE WINDOWS, SO WE DON'T TOUCH THEM ON THE INSIDE.
WE'LL KEEP THE WINDOWS AS THEY ARE EVEN THOUGH THE INSIDE WILL CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
>> I'M CURIOUS HOW A 180 FLIP WILL GIVE YOU ANY MORE USABLE SPACE.
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>> THERE'S A FIXED TRANSOM THAT'S AT THE EGRESS LEVEL AND THEN THERE'S OPERABLES ABOVE SO WHEN WE ROTATE IT, THE FIXED TRANSOM WILL BE UP ABOVE, AND THE OPERABLES WILL BE DOWN BELOW.
>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING A VERMONT WINDOW WHERE THEY FOLLOW THE [OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE NONE DOWN HERE.
I THOUGHT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO VERMONT WINDOW.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. POZZETTA.
IT'S A LOT OF WINDOW WORK, JIM.
>> I'LL GIVE THE CONTRACTOR A COUPLE TO TALK TO YOU.
>> ACTUALLY, IT WILL BE THE SAME ONES THAT THEY USED ON THE OLD SCHOOLHOUSE, IS THE ONE I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND.
WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR WITH WINDOWS THAT DISAPPEARED.
>> THIS WILL BE A COMPANY THAT HAS WORKED IN OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DONE SUCCESSFULLY IN THE PAST.
>> I'LL SLEEP BETTER KNOWING THAT.
>> IN THAT CASE, WE WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARD TO CASE 2023-000112102 SOUTH 10TH STREET, THIS WILL BE THE TIME.
SEEING NO ONE RISE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. BOARD MEMBERS.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE ALL THE RIGHT THINGS ARE BEING DONE.
THERE'S NO PUSHBACK FROM US BECAUSE ALL THE RIGHT THINGS ARE BEING CHECKED RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.
>> I THINK SOMEBODY WHO'S DONE HISTORIC WINDOW WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY DOES REALLY GIVE ME CONFIDENCE.
>> WELL, AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT THE ELLIPTICAL TRIM, THEY'RE NOT REALLY SPANDLES, BUT THOSE TRIMS, YOU FOUND PHOTOS, EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAD THEM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE WERE JUST ADDING A SUPERFLUOUS ELEMENT, IT WAS ALREADY THERE.
>> I THINK IN THE PICTURE THAT WE GOT, THIS IS ACTUALLY EVEN A LITTLE MORE FILIGREED.
>> IT DID HAVE THE INFILL PANELS.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE 2023-0112 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AS PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2023-002, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLYING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINE TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> HEARING NONE. MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL ROLL
>> THANK YOU. JIM, WHY DON'T YOU COME ON BACK UP.
TAMMY'S GOING TO OPEN FOR THE GARDENS.
[5.2 HDC 2023-0113 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR DEAN PEARSON, 112 S. 10TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to remove additions, restore wood siding and wood windows, construct 600 SF addition and 1000 SF covered porch, construct new 1.5-story accessory dwelling and storage shed. (Quasi-Judicial)]
MIRANDA FOR 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET.ALL CASES ARE NOW ON SOUTH 10TH STREET.
THIS APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO DO SEVERAL THINGS WITH THEIR PROPERTY THIS EVENING, AND REQUESTING BOARD APPROVAL, FINAL APPROVAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND SUFFICIENT DETAILS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GRANT THAT, OR AT LEAST HAVE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THE PROPERTY AT 112 SOUTH 10TH STREET IS LOOKING TO REMOVE EXISTING ADDITIONS, NON-HISTORIC ADDITIONS, RESTORE WOOD SIDING AND WOOD WINDOWS, CONSTRUCT A 600 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY.
THE SITE PLAN ITSELF IS THE MOST ILLUSTRATIVE OF WHAT IS BEING ADDED AND MODIFIED.
THEN ADDING 1,000 SQUARE FOOT COVERED PORCH ADDITION.
IN ADDITION, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT A NEW ONE-AND-A-HALF STORY ACCESSORY DWELLING AND STORAGE SHED.
THIS PROPERTY, JUST LIKE THE PRIOR PROPERTY, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
IT IS NOT A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE SETBACKS, AS WELL AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO ALLOWANCES, SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT UNDER THOSE ZONING CONSIDERATIONS AND FINDS THE APPLICATION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND APPLICABLE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR GIBSON? WE'RE GOOD? THEN WE'LL CALL MR. MIRANDA.
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PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.I KNOW IT'S TEDIOUS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> JOSE MIRANDA, 309 1/2 CENTER STREET.
KELLY, CAN YOU PULL UP THE EXISTING HOUSE PICTURES THAT'LL HELP DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH, AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED? OBVIOUSLY, THIS THING IS WRAPPED IN ASBESTOS SIDING, OUR FAVORITE CLADDING MATERIALS IN THE BURIES.
THE EXISTING BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL BOX ESSENTIALLY THAT IS THERE, RESTORING THE WINDOWS, PULLING OFF THE ASBESTOS SIDING, RESTORING THE WOOD SIDING UNDERNEATH.
THE SAND-BORN MAPS SHOW THAT THERE WAS A PORCH ON THE FRONT AT ONE POINT.
THE PORCH THAT'S THERE, NOW IS NOT ORIGINALLY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING THAT AND JUST CREATING A LITTLE SIMPLE SHED PORCH.
IT'S DESIGNED TO BE OPERATE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXISTING ONE IS HERE NOW.
IT'S GOT THIS BRICK STEPS AND DEFINITELY NOT ORIGINAL.
THERE IS AN EXISTING OUTBUILDING THAT WILL BE REMOVED. IT ISN'T REAL THAT CONDITION.
THE EXISTING HOUSE IS ROUGHLY, GOSH, 1,300 SQUARE FEET. IT'S A TINY LITTLE BOX.
THE ROOMS ARE TINY, OBVIOUSLY.
WE'RE ADDING A MASTER SUITE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WILL BE ABOVE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
THIS PORTION IS ONE STORY, AND YOU'LL LOOK AT THE REAR ELEVATION, IT'S GOT A VERY CONTEMPORARY KIND OF SHED ROOF ON THE BACK.
DO WE HAVE THE REAR ELEVATION OF THAT?
>> THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT?
>> THE ORIGINAL BOX HAD A LATER ADDITION THAT CURRENTLY HOUSES A KITCHEN AND DINING ROOM AND A REAR PORCH, AND IT'S JUST A HODGEPODGE MESS.
SO ALL THAT'S WE'RE PEELING OFF AND CREATING A NEW LIVING AREA ON THE BACK, AND THEN ADDING ANOTHER BEDROOM UP ON THE UPPER FLOOR THAT INCLUDE A MASTER BATH AND A MASTER CLOSET.
SO THE CHALLENGE, AS YOU KNOW, WERE ABOUT THREE FEET. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS THREE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
C-3 ZONING PROVIDES FOR ZERO SETBACK.
BUT IF YOU'RE WITHIN THREE FEET, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY OPENINGS.
SO WE JOG BACK OUR ADDITION, ANOTHER FOUR, SIX INCHES TO GIVE US THREE-AND-A-HALF FEET, WHICH LETS US AT LEAST PUT SOME WINDOWS UP HERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT IS THE BED WALL FOR THE MASTER BEDROOM.
NO OPENINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
ESSENTIALLY, THAT'LL JUST BE SOLID SO THAT ALL OUR OPENING IS ALL ON THE COURTYARD SIDE OR ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ELEVATION.
BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE, AND BECAUSE WE WANT SOME PRIVACY, WE'RE DOING SOME WOODWORK TREATMENT ON THE BACK PORCH TO GIVE US SOME PRIVACY FROM THE NEIGHBOR ITSELF.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE DOING NEW FENCING TO ENCLOSE THAT BACK AREA.
THERE'S A VERY LARGE TREE THAT WE'RE KEEPING AND DESIGNING AROUND.
IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING, KELLY, IF I'M CORRECT, THE FENCING IS ALLOWED TO BE EIGHT FEET TALL, CORRECT?
>> I BELIEVE SO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE INTENDED TO GET THAT FENCE UP OF THAT EIGHT FEET TO CREATE MORE PRIVACY ON THAT BACK COURTYARD AREA.
THE TWO NEW BUILDINGS, ESSENTIALLY, ONE IS A GARAGE, TWO COUTURE GARAGE.
THE FIRST FLOOR PART OF THAT SPACE IS A WORKSHOP.
SECOND FLOOR WILL BE POTENTIAL GUEST QUARTERS.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY INTENDED TO BE AN ADU, BUT IT COULD BE CONVERTED INTO ONE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT BEATS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS.
THEN, THERE'S A STORAGE BUILDING ON THE BACK SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE HERE'S THE BACK ADDITION.
PROBABLY, YOU SHOULD HAVE TURNED OFF THE TREE LAYER.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A SHED COMING OFF BACK HERE.
HERE'S THE MASTER BEDROOM, HERE'S THE MASTER BATH, THAT'S ALL PUSHED BACK.
THIS SHAPE IS COMING TOWARDS US.
WE'RE DOING CABLE RAIL ON THE BACK PORTION, VERY LARGE GLASS ELEMENTS ON THE BACK, AND ON THE NORTH SIDE TO LET A LAWN ALLOW YOU TO ENTER.
WE'RE TRYING TO CLEARLY DISTINGUISH THE EXISTING HOUSE FROM THE NEW ADDITION.
LET ME GET TO THE GARAGE OUTBUILDING.
LET'S GET TO THE FRONT ELEVATION.
THIS SHOWS YOU, AGAIN, BECAUSE IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE SHOVED THE BUILDING TO TWO FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LAWN SO WE CAN'T HAVE ANY OPENINGS FROM THIS SIDE.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU SEE THE LITTLE FENCE THAT'S COMING UP HERE AT EIGHT FEET.
THIS WILL BE STUCCO FIRST FLOOR, LIGHT SIDING UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
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THEN, WE TRY TO MAKE IT A STORY TO HOUSE.IT'S GOT THESE SHED DORMERS TO TRY TO BRING THE SCALE DOWN.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO OVERPOWER THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
YOU SEE WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS UP HERE, WHEREAS OUR GARAGE IS BEING SHOVED BACK HERE.
THEN WE'VE GOT A LITTLE SHED ROOF WITH SOME BRACKET SUPPORTING RIGHT ABOVE THE GARAGE ENTRANCE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> I THINK THE QUESTION I HAD WOULD BE, KELLY, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PULLING UP THAT EXISTING EAST ELEVATION? THERE'S A REALLY BIG WINDOW ON THE EXISTING HOUSE IN THE BACK.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU LOOKED AT THAT AND JUDGE WHAT VALLEY IS NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.
>> YEAH. THIS IS ACTUALLY A SLIDING GLASS DOOR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THE ONE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE LEFT. THERE YOU GO.
>> YES. THIS IS ALSO A LATER ADDITION.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TIMELINE AND SEE.
BUT THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF SALVAGE RAILING.
WHAT WE'RE AFRAID OF IS, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START PEELING OFF THE ASBESTOS SIDING ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND FIND OUT WHAT THE WOOD SIDING IS UNDERNEATH, THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY ROOM FOR THAT LARGE PICTURE WINDOW.
IT'S ALL STILTS ON THE BACK AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S BEING REMOVED, IT'S A LATER ADDITION, NOT HISTORIC.
>> I WAS JUST WONDERING. IT COULDN'T BE USED INSIDE SOMEWHERE, TO BE A DIVIDER BETWEEN ROOMS OR SOMETHING?
>> WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S ANY SALVAGE VALUE, BUT SUCH A LARGE GLASS OPENING ON THAT SIDE DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
ALL THE OTHER PROPORTIONS, INSTEAD OF BEING SQUARE LIKE THIS ONE IS ARE RECTANGULAR, SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH OPERABLE WINDOWS VERSUS THE BIG FIXED.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CONTEMPORARY WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDING, IT'S STILL ALMOST 100 YEARS OLD.
>> YEAH, I'D HAD TO CHECK THE DATE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS THING HAS BEEN ADDED ON OVER TIME AND COBBLED TOGETHER.
THIS BACK PORCH, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR HISTORIC.
>> JOSE, DID YOU DO THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR? DID YOU DO THE KAUFMAN-TORY HOUSE?
>> I REMEMBER, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT PEELING OFF THE ASBESTOS THEN.
>> THERE WAS SOME KIND OF SIDING ON THERE, AND WE TOOK IT OFF. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE WAS ALUMINUM SIDING ON THAT.
AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT COULD YOU SAVE THE EXISTING, AND WE ENDED UP GIVING YOU THE AUTHORITY TO REPLACE AS NECESSARY.
AS I RECALL, THAT WHOLE NORTH SIDE GOT REPLACED.
>> IF I RECALL, WE LEFT THE WOOD SIDING AND WE APPLIED THE HARDIE SIDING OVER THE TOP.
>> WE ENCAPSULATED IT SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN THEIR BUDGET, BE ABLE TO RESTORE ALL SIDING.
>> THAT WAS THE COMPROMISE THAT WE CAME UP WITH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE IT'S WHEN YOU PULL THIS OFF?
>> YEAH. BUT I THINK THIS IS A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT THIS IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
BUT AGAIN, UNTIL WE START DOING INVESTIGATION AND PEELING OFF. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]
>> HOW DO I KNOW WHAT KIND OF SIDING?
>> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT'S UNDER THERE?
>> NOT YET. I KNOW IT'S WOOD SIDING.
YOU CAN SEE IT TUCKED UP FROM UNDERNEATH THE ASBESTOS.
>> IN 20 YEARS OR YEARS AGO, AROUND HERE, I'VE LEARNED THAT SOME SIDING MATERIALS THAT GO OVER OTHERS PRESERVE THE UNDERLYING WOOD AND SOME OF THEM DESTROY THE [OVERLAPPING] UNDERLYING WOOD.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT ASBESTOS?
>> BETTER. I KNOW THAT WHEN WE DID THE ONE, THE MEYERS RESIDENCE, THE OLD STEAMBOAT HOUSE.
WHEN WE PULLED OFF THAT SIDING, THE WOOD SIDING WAS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE AND IT WAS EASY TO RESTORE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S THE ORIGINAL. AGAIN, IF THINGS CHANGE AND WE HAVE TO ALL OF A SUDDEN WE FIND OUT THAT, OH NO, THEY REMOVED ALL THE WOOD SIDING BEFORE THEY PUT THE ASBESTOS ON.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK AND FILL YOU IN PLAN B.
>> OKAY. BECAUSE THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT WOULD YOU USE GIVEN THIS HOUSE? BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT.
>> THE SAME QUESTION. AGAIN, YOU'RE ADDING ON TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
HOW MUCH OF THAT EXISTING WOOD IF IT PROVES TO STILL BE VIABLE?
>> YEAH. KELLY, CAN YOU PULL UP THE FLOOR PLAN? WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHERE WE'RE OPENING UP.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL SHAPE IS THIS RECTANGULAR PIECE.
WE'RE HAVING TO REMOVE THIS CORNER.
THERE WAS A LATER, A LITTLE BUMP OUT.
IT CUTS OFF THE SIDE THAT WE'RE FLUSHING OUT.
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SO ALL OF THIS WOULD BE A NEW WALL HERE.THIS IS CURRENTLY A SMALLER OPENING BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM AND A SITTING ROOM, A DINING ROOM AREA BACK HERE.
THE ONLY SALVAGE VALUE WOULD BE IF THERE WERE ANY SIDING ON THIS PIECE THAT WE COULD REUSE.
WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO ON THIS PART IS WHEN WE'RE RESTORING THE SIDINGS, WE KEEP THIS AND USE THAT MATERIAL TO REPLACE ANY DAMAGE THAT WE SEE.
THE SIDE OF THIS IS GOING TO BE EXPOSED.
WE WILL BE SALVAGING WHERE WE CAN IF IT'S IN GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE.
>> YOU'RE REMOVING ANY ADDITION THAT WAS PUT ON THAT HOUSE PRIOR TO THIS?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
>> JOSE, I WENT TO THE [NOISE] MUSEUM TO SEE IF I COULD GET HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
BUT WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT THE PORCH THAT'S THERE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL.
>> YES. BASED ON THE DETAILING AND THE BRICK.
ESSENTIALLY, THE BRICK PORCH ITSELF AND THE PIERS AND ALL THAT HAVE GOT CONCRETE MORTAR, SO THERE'S NO WAY IT'S THE LATE 1800S.
>> WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
I HAD SOME HEART BURN ABOUT TAKING OFF AN EXISTING UNTIL IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT IT REALLY WASN'T HISTORIC.
>> THE PROPOSED IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
>> THAT'S WHY WE DID A REAL SIMPLE SHED.
WE COULD HAVE GONE ON A EIGHT FEET BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE'RE ZERO SETBACK ON THE FRONT, BUT WHAT WAS THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE SHALLOW, SO I THINK WE DID A FIVE FOOT DEPTH AND JUST KEPT A REAL SIMPLE SHED AS IF IT WERE ORIGINAL, SO WE KEPT THE FOUR SIMPLE COLUMNS UP ON PIERS OF GRADE FRAMED.
>> IF THAT'S IT FOR MR. MIRANDA, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0113.
COME ON UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> I GET THE [INAUDIBLE] GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> DETAURY CAHAN, 116 SOUTH 10TH STREET, THREE FEET AWAY.
>> YOU SAW MY HOUSE. YOU SEE IT.
>> IT'S A BEAUTIFUL RENOVATION.
THAT'S OUR LIVING ROOM WINDOW.
THE SUNLIGHT DOES NOT COME IN THAT WINDOW BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS THAT CLOSE.
WHEN THEY PUT ON THE ADDITION THAT'S COMING OFF, THEY CREATED A POCKET GARDEN, SO WE HAVE LIGHT IN THE DINING ROOM, LIGHT IN THE FAMILY ROOM, LAUNDRY ROOM, THE BATHROOM ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'LL ALL GO AWAY. IT ALSO MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT.
OUR AIR CONDITIONERS, YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE ONE, ARE RIGHT THERE.
IT'S A TALL HOUSE, SO THINGS LIKE REPAIRING THE ROOF, WE HAD DIFFICULTY IN OUR RENOVATION.
WE ACTUALLY GOT DEAN'S HOUSE AND HAD TO MAKE REPAIRS WHEN WE TOOK STUFF OFF.
IT'S HARD TO GET THE LADDERS UP TO CLEAN THE WINDOWS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WE LOVE DEAN AS A NEIGHBOR, SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INTERFERE, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SELL THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS IS THAT HOUSE IS TOO CLOSE AND THIS IS GOING TO MAKE IT CLOSE.
I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
I WANT DEAN TO HAVE THE BEST HOUSE POSSIBLE, BUT I ALSO THINK THE HOUSES WERE BUILT TOGETHER, SAME OWNER OWNED THEM IN THE BEGINNING.
IT WAS A FAMILY COMPOUND AND THEY CONSIDERED EACH OTHER'S VIEWS OR WHATEVER AND WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION OF REMOVING WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
>> WE UNDERSTAND. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> TAMMY KOSACK, 322 NORTH 3RD.
I DID WANT TO SAY ONE THING REGARDING THAT FRONT PORCH.
I CHECKED THE SANBORN MAPS AND WHAT'S GOING BACK IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS MY CONCERN TOO, HOW MUCH ARE WE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AND JUST TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? BUT IT IS HARKENING THAT TO WHAT IS AT LEAST OUTLINED ON THE SANBORN MAPS.
REALLY, I'M HERE MOSTLY FOR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AND A LITTLE BIT OF AN INFORMATIONAL PIECE.
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THE REASON I HAD TO ABSTAIN WAS THAT THE OWNER HIRED ME FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS OF CONSULTATION EARLY LAST YEAR, AND THEN SINCE I'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH JOSE ON THIS CASE, SO IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO BE A VOTING PARTY SINCE HE HIRED ME.ON OUR FIRST MEETING, WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER, HE WANTED TO TELL ME EVERYTHING THAT HE WANTED TO DO FOR THE HOUSE, WHICH WAS GREAT.
WHEN WE GOT THERE, HE PULLED UP DETAILED PHOTOS OF MY ENTIRE PROPERTY, OF ALL THE ELEVATIONS AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE DONE ON MY HOUSE THAT, ADMITTEDLY, HE HAD SAID THAT HE ALWAYS ENJOYED WHEN HE WALKED BY AND HE LOVED THEM, SO I WENT BEYOND THAT.
THEN WHEN HE CAME TO MY HOUSE, HE REITERATED A FEW MORE OF THE VERY UNIQUE FEATURES OF MY HOUSE AND HE SAID HE WANTED TO USE THOSE IN HIS HOUSE, AND I SAID, LET'S GET TO A POINT THAT WORKS FOR YOUR HOUSE AND NOT COPY MY HOUSE ON YOUR HOUSE.
WHEN JOSE CAME OUT TO VISIT MINE, WE DISCUSSED THAT AGAIN AND I THOUGHT WE BOTH UNDERSTOOD THAT, THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE.
IT DOESN'T FIT THAT HOUSE, IT DOESN'T FIT THE SCALE OF THAT HOUSE.
THE ADU THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT IS BASICALLY CAUGHT ON A DESIGN THAT WAS DONE ON 5TH STREET AND IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S PUT THERE.
WHAT I WANTED TO BRING FORTH BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTS NEED TO KNOW THIS, AND SOME OF THE OTHER MARKETS THAT I WORK IN, ARCHITECTURAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT IS A HUGE DEAL.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY GO HAVE YOUR DRAWINGS OR YOUR DESIGNS COPYRIGHTED.
IF A DESIGN IS DRAWN, ONE, AND THEN SECONDLY, IF IT'S BUILT, IT'S CONSIDERED COPYRIGHTED IF IT'S DONE AFTER 1989.
I'M JUST GOING TO READ YOU THAT.
I'VE DEALT WITH THIS WITH MY ATTORNEYS IN OTHER MARKETS FROM COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT ON OUR DESIGNS.
ARCHITECTURAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT OCCURS WHEN SOMEBODY USES OR MODIFIES SOMEONE'S ORIGINAL CREATIVE DESIGN WITHOUT OBTAINING PRIOR AUTHORIZATION, CONSENT OR APPROVAL.
THAT DESIGN CAN BE GLEANED THROUGH PLANS, SKETCHES, BLUEPRINTS, OR COMPLETED STRUCTURES.
MAKING CHANGES DOES NOT AVOID THE INFRINGEMENT.
INNOCENT INFRINGEMENT IS NOT A DEFENSE, AND EVERY CREATIVE WORK IS CONSIDERED A COMPILATION OF PARTS AND FEATURES.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXACT FLOOR PLAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN EXACT ELEVATION.
BUT LITERALLY, WHEN I OPENED THIS UP, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN THE PLANS AND THAT MY PLANS WERE PUT IN BY MISTAKE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY ELEMENTS AND I HAD TO PRINT THEM OUT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND IT'S, I UNDERSTAND THE FRONT PORCH, THAT'S THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS THERE, BUT IT'S THE UNUSUAL THINGS IN THE BACK.
THE SHED ROOF WITH THE THE CANTILEVER AND THE HALF MONITOR WINDOWS, AND THE CLERESTORY WINDOWS, AND THE PRIVACY SCREENS LIKE WHERE I HAVE THE HORSE BARN DOORS IN THE BACK, THE EXTRUDED ROOF LINE THAT COMES OUT OVER THE STAIRS.
WHAT YOU GET IS A COMPILATION OF ELEMENTS THAT READS VERY SIMILAR TO THE MASSING AND THE SCALE, AND THE STYLE OF MY HOUSE.
THIS IS AN FYI THAT I'M NOT PLEASED WITH THIS.
I WISH THAT INSPIRATION DIDN'T BECOME IMITATION.
I THINK IF MY HOME WAS USED AS AN INSPIRATION, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE.
I WISH I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS HOUSE WASN'T LOOKED AT AND A NEW CONCEPT WAS DEVELOPED BASED ON WHAT THIS HOUSE DESERVED, NOT COPYING TWO OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT.
HAVING SAID THAT, MY QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD WOULD BE THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE STRUCTURE.
IT APPEARS THAT IT'S EITHER RIGHT AT THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE OR A LITTLE BIT TALLER, AND I BELIEVE IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE FRONT.
IT IS BEHIND THE FRONT FACADE, BUT IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM IN CONTEXT, THEY REALLY DON'T READ LIKE THEY GO TOGETHER AND IT SEEMS MUCH MORE OVERPOWERING TO THE SIMPLE STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.
I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STYLING OF THE ADU AND THE MASSING IN THE SCALE.
THEN ON THE BUILDING IN THE BACK, IF IT'S BEING REMOVED COMPLETELY, IT'S NON CONFORMING RIGHT NOW, PART OF IT IS OVER THE SETBACK LINE AND OVER THE PROPERTY LINE, I BELIEVE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
I THINK THAT'S THE THREE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO
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TO BRING UP AFTER MY REVIEW. THANK YOU.>> QUESTIONS FOR MISS KOSACK. THANK YOU.
JOSE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND BRIEFLY?
>> TAMMY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'VE BEEN PRACTICING FOR 32 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER BEEN ACCUSED OF DESIGN COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT EVER IN MY CAREER.
DID I VISIT YOUR HOUSE? YES, THAT IS THE ONLY THING I'VE DONE.
I HAVE NOT DOCUMENTED YOUR HOUSE, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR YOUR HOUSE.
IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT A SHED ROOF WITH A CLEAR STORY IS A DESIGN COPYRIGHT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT EVERY SHED ROOF WITH A CLEAR STORY.
YES, THERE ARE SIMILARITIES, AND YES, DEAN DID POINT OUT TO ME THINGS THAT HE LIKED, AND I MODIFIED THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS HOUSE, AND I MATCHED THE ROOF LINES OF THIS HOUSE VERSUS WHAT YOU HAD DONE ON YOURS.
ANY SIMILARITIES ARE PURELY COINCIDENTAL.
THERE WAS NO INTENT FOR ME TO COPY ANYBODY'S HOUSE FOR ANY OF MY PROJECTS.
I KNOW THAT DEAN MAY HAVE VISITED YOU AND SAID, I WANT TO COPY YOUR HOUSE DESIGN.
WHEN HE MET WITH ME, HE SAYS, YES, I LIKE WHAT SHE DID, AND I SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR OWN THING BECAUSE OUR PROPORTIONS, OUR SETBACKS, OUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE SITE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
I'M SORRY IF YOU GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT I COPIED YOUR DESIGN. I DID NOT.
WE'VE USED CABLE RAILING ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE'VE USED LOUVER SCREENING ON OTHER PROJECTS.
QUITE HONESTLY, I AM SHOCKED THAT I'M BEING ACCUSED OF DESIGN COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.
>> I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU, JOSE, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION.
I KNOW AS AN ARCHITECT, YOU'RE GIVING IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE TO INCORPORATE.
THAT'S WHERE WHEN YOU SEE THE COMPILATION OF THOSE THINGS, I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU DID THIS.
YOU'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THINGS YOU WERE GIVEN.
>> WHAT I WAS GIVEN WAS NOT DRAWINGS OF YOUR HOUSE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR.
HAVE WE DONE SHED ROOTS WITH CLEAR STORIES BEFORE? YES, WE HAVE.
EVEN BEFORE I VISITED YOUR HOUSE.
YES, I HAVE TO ADDRESS MY CLIENT'S NEEDS AS WELL.
YES, IT HAS TO MEET THE CONTEXT.
THERE MAY BE SOME ISSUES WITH SCALE AND PROPORTION THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE, BUT FOR IT TO BE COUCHED AS IT WAS A COPY OF YOUR PROJECT, I'M LIKE THAT HAS REALLY SET ME BACK. I'M SORRY.
>> LET ME ASK YOU A SUBSTITUTE QUESTION SINCE YOU'VE COME BACK TO THE TABLE.
HOW TALL IS THE EXISTING HOUSE? MAYBE IT'S IN THE DRAWINGS.
>> I DON'T THINK I'VE MEASURED IT, BUT IT'S LESS THAN THE 25 FOOT.
>> FORTUNATELY, THE GARAGE IS SO FAR BACK OFF THE STREET AND IT'S GOING TO READ.
>> YEAH. AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE, THE ELEVATIONS LIE.
NOBODY SEES ELEVATIONS, YOU DON'T SEE IT FLAT LIKE THAT.
IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE A 3D MODEL OF IT, WE CAN CERTAINLY STUDY THAT TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN CONTEXT.
WE'RE PROBABLY WITHIN 6 INCHES, 8 INCHES MAX BETWEEN THE RIDGE LINE OF THE GARAGE AND THE RIDGE LINE OF THE HISTORIC HOME.
OBVIOUSLY I'VE GOT DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
COULD I HAVE DONE AN 8 FOOT GARAGE AND MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAN? YEAH. WELL, UNFORTUNATELY DEAN WANTED A CAR LIFT.
I NEED 11 FOOT CEILING TO START WITH, SO THAT PRETTY MUCH DICTATES HEIGHT.
ALL THESE DESIGN FACTORS WE HAD THE FACTOR IN WHEN WE DO A PROCESS.
IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU WANT ME TO MODIFY OR REVISIT, HAVE ADDED, THAT'S YOUR PURVIEW AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE.
>> I KNOW WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I HAD TO KEEP REFERRING BACK TO THE SITE PLAN TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE ADU SET BACK FROM THE HOUSE.
I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT THE ADU CORRESPONDS WITH THE BACKSIDE OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, THAT IT DOESN'T COME IN FRONT OF IT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, PART OF ME THINKS MAYBE SOME SMALL THINGS ON THE ADU COULD BE TWEAKED LIKE WE HAVE THE BRACKETED ROOF ELEMENT OVER THE GARAGE DOORS.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT JUST SO IT WOULD REDUCE ITS SIZE A LITTLE AND THEN THAT TRIPLE WINDOW IN THE UPPER DORMER,
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MAYBE IF THOSE WINDOWS WERE THE SAME PROPORTION AS THE ONES ON THE HISTORIC HOUSE, THEY BE A LITTLE SMALLER.MAYBE THOSE TWO LITTLE THINGS MIGHT HELP THAT READ AS SUBSERVIENT TO THE MAIN HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO.
ELEVATIONS LIE, THIS THING IS 20 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S GOING TO READ DIFFERENTLY IN ACTUAL CONTEXT BUT MAYBE THAT'S LITTLE TINY TWEAKS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO-.
>> I AGREE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS, THE GARAGE SEEMS LIKE IT'S BIGGER THAN THE HOUSE.
IT IS JUST SCALING THAT DOWN IF YOU CAN JUST A LITTLE BIT SO IT READS LOW.
>> THERE'S ALWAYS A DESIGN OPPORTUNITY.
WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK SO WE KNOW WHICH PATH TO FOLLOW.
>> NO, WE WERE ASKING FOR CONCEPTUAL.
I ALWAYS ASK FOR CONCEPTUAL BECAUSE WE DON'T EXPECT TO BAT OUT OF THE PARK IN THE FIRST TIME AROUND.
WE'RE NOT AT CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS STAGE.
>> IT SAYS FINAL HERE, THAT'S CONFUSING.
WE TYPICALLY WILL ALWAYS DO CONCEPTUAL AND FINAL.
>> WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SHAPE THINGS BEFORE THEY GET TO.
>> YOU DON'T WANT TO DO CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND COME TO YOU AND SAY, HERE YOU GO.
>> I SAID WE POSTED IT AS A FINAL SO WE CAN GO TO FINAL IF WE CHOOSE.
>> REPORTS THE APPLICATION TYPE WAS FOR FINAL.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROVIDE COLOR CUT SHEETS OR ANY OF THAT STUFF.
WE DID MAKE SELECTIONS AS PLACEHOLDERS, BUT I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY CUT SHEETS.
>> WE'LL LIKELY PROCEED WITH IT?
>> THAT'S FINE. JUST TO BE THERE, IT WAS ADVERTISED BECAUSE OF THE REPOSTED APPLICATION.
>> THEN IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK THIS EVENING WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE?
>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE COMMENTS FROM MS. DECORY.
>> MIKE, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP OR WAS I READING THAT WRONG? YOU WANT TO SIT BACK YOUR LEGS A BIT.
>> IT'S A GOOD THING YOU'RE NOT AT AN AUCTION, YOU [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> UNLESS YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS A QUESTION TO JOSE.
>> COME ON, WE KEEP PUBLIC HEARING.
>> IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE TO ANYTHING THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT MS. KAUFMAN HAD?
>> THERE'S ALWAYS ALTERNATIVES.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT MEETS THE CLIENT'S NEEDS.
OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE TWO HISTORIC HOMES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
COULD WE CHANGE THE ADDITION TO PUSH IT BACK FURTHER? YES. BUT IT REQUIRES A TOTAL REDESIGN OF THE ADDITION AND I'VE GOT TO CHECK WITH MY CLIENT TO SEE IF HE WANTS TO PURSUE THAT.
>> THERE'S NOT AS EASY ANSWER.
>> NO, I CAN'T SAY YES BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T WORK FOR YOU, I WORK FOR HIM.
I GOT TO CHECK IT WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE WHERE HIS PRIORITIES ARE AND WHETHER THERE'S A DIFFERENT SHAPE OF ADDITION THAT WOULD HELP ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORS CONCERNS ABOUT LIGHT.
BUT, AGAIN, THAT BUILDING IS ALREADY THERE WHERE WE ADD ONTO IT, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY.
BUT IT'S ALREADY A PRETTY TIGHT SITE, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE GET TO ADDRESS THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE, PUT THE APARTMENT ABOVE, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT AND POTENTIALLY THE ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBORS CONCERN.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARD DISCUSSION.
>> WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THE SCALE OF THE GARAGE.
IF WE CAN SCALE THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
>> I THINK THE CHANGES MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A STARK HOUSE AGAIN.
IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT GOT LOST OUT OF THE '50S THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
>> I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR STANDARD LANGUAGE ON SALVAGE PUT IN ON ANY MOTION THAT IF THAT WINDOW IS NICE CONDITION THAT IT SHOULD BE SAVED,
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EVEN IF IT DOESN'T GET USED HERE, THAT MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE COULD MAKE USE OF IT.IT'S JUST UNIQUE IN ITS SIZE AND CONFIGURATION AND IT'D BE IF IT COULD FIND A HOME SOMEWHERE.
>> YOU HAVE A SENSE OF IT'S VINTAGE THOUGH?
>> WELL, IF IT IS FROM THE '30S, THAT'S PRETTY VINTAGE.
>> BUT IF YOU GO AND YOU LOOK AT IT, AND IT'S FALLING TO PIECES, THEN IT'S FALLING TO PIECES.
>> WELL, SILKOWSKI HAS THIS WINDOW PERSON.
THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, SO MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING.
>> BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT NEEDS TO BE USED IN THIS HOUSE.
>> CORRECT. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WHEN CONNOR DID OUR ADU TO OUR HISTORIC HOME, THEY KEPT IT AT, I WANT TO SAY 24 FOOT HIGH.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE MAIN HOUSE WAS, AND IT WORKED BECAUSE IT'S THE BUILDING SECONDARY.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S ON THE CEDAR STREET SIDE, BUT IT'S SECONDARY.
I THINK JOSE'S POINT, HE SAID IT BEFORE, THAT ELEVATIONS ARE VERY MISLEADING IN TERMS OF, WE COULD TALK ABOUT SHED ROOMS AND CLERESTORY WINDOWS.
BUT HONESTLY IT'S ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SEEN BY ANYBODY.
IT WOULD BE A CONCERN IF THEY WERE ASKING TO USE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
THEY'RE USING TRADITIONAL MATERIALS IN SLIGHTLY TRADITIONAL FORMS TO ASSEMBLE THEM IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT JOHN CONNOR TAUGHT ME ABOUT.
I THINK THAT'S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH FINAL, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO CONCEPTUAL TONIGHT AND I GUESS WE WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE WE COULD HELP THE NEIGHBORS WITH THEIR LIGHTING.
MY SUSPICION IS WHEN THESE HOUSES ARE CONSTRUCTED SO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINES, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING BUT WE'LL THROW IT OUT THERE.
>> ARLENE WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONCEPTION?
>> SURE. ARE WE PUTTING IN SALVAGE LANGUAGE OR IS THIS CONCEPTUAL?
>> PROBABLY COULD COME IN AT FINAL.
>> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0113 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THE HDC CASE 2023-0113, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVED, PHIL GOT IT SECOND, POYNTER IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> IS THERE A WAY TO AMEND AND INCLUDE COMMENTARY ON HOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON REDUCING SOME OF THE SCALE OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING SOMEWHAT?
>> I CHANGED THAT TO WITH CONDITIONS.
>> YES. YOU WOULD AMEND YOUR MOTION TO ADD WITH THE CONDITION THAT IS SCALE OF THE ADUD.
>> THE SECOND HAS ACCEPTED THAT AMENDMENT.
I WILL UNDERSTAND. MS. SYLVIE WILL CALL THE ROLL ON THE AMENDED MOTION.
>> JUST THIS ONE. IT'S CONCEPTUAL.
>> YES. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTARY. THANK YOU.
I TELL YOU I'VE GOT SOME NEIGHBORS.
THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO MIKE STAFFERS HERE. THAT'S GOOD.
THIS IS TEN AS STREET CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
>> OH, I AM SO SORRY. MY MISTAKE THERE. YEAH, I APOLOGIZE.
WE'RE GOING TO BACK THAT UP. WE'RE GOING TO 2024-001. LOOK AT THAT.
[5.3 HDC 2024-0001 - COTNER ARCHITECTS, LLC, AGENT FOR GILSON E. + CAROLINE M. KILLHOUR, 707 GARDEN STREET CONCEPTUAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 2-story single family residence with a detached 1-story accessory structure. (Quasi-Judicial)]
001 FOR 707 GARDEN STREET, THIS IS AN OLD TOWN AND PITTMAN FOR COTTON ARCHITECTURE.[01:25:01]
>> GOOD EVENING. THIS EVENING THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CONSTRUCT ON A FULL PIONIA LOCATED AT 707 GARDEN STREET, A TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A CROW'S NEST.
ALL WITHIN THE 35 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT LIMIT.
ALONG WITH THE DETACHED GARAGE AND A DETACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING AND A SMALL POOL STAFF HAS EVALUATED THIS FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE OLD TOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND FINDS IT TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR APPROVAL AT A FINAL APPROVAL REQUEST.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? HEARING NONE, THEN WE'LL ASK MS. PITTMAN TO COME UP.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US THAT WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THIS HOUSE ON GARDEN STREET?
>> I GUESS I NEED TO SAY MY NAME FIRST.
>> ANN PITTMAN, COTNER, ARCHITECTS, 15 NORTH 18TH STREET.
IT'S AT THE END OF GARDEN STREET.
THE SECOND LOT IN IT, WE WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMAZING VIEWS OF THE INTERCOASTAL THERE, AND THE THERE'S A LOT OF GRADE CHANGES GOING ON FROM THE STREET TO THE REAR OF THE LOT, SO WE HAD TO WORK WITH THAT, TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE POTENTIAL OF THIS LOT.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT UNDER 2,800 SQUARE FEET, COUNTING THE CROW'S NEST IN THE STUDIO.
>> WE'RE SQUEEZING A LOT INTO THIS LOT.
YOU GOT THE POOL, THE GUEST HOUSE, THE CROW'S NEST.
>> IT'S PRETTY ASTOUNDING, AS YOU SAY, WHEN I VISITED THE OTHER DAY.
>> IF YOU KNOW THIS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
HOW FAR ABOVE SEA LEVEL IS THIS LOT?
>> WELL, THE LIVING LEVEL IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 15 AND I THINK AT THE STREET OR ABOUT 12.
>> THEN IN THE REAR OF THE LOT AT, UP CLOSE TO 19.
>> WE NOTICED THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE A WOOD SHED PRACTICALLY ON THE PROPERTY, PRACTICALLY ON THE BACK LINE FENCE THERE.
BUT THAT'S OVER THE POOL DECK AREA, SO I ASSUME THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY ISSUES WITH THAT?
>> WELL DONE. AS USUAL BEAUTIFUL DRAWINGS.
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I'M SORRY I WENT OVER YOU.
I'M GOING TO PASS YOU THAT LAST TIME.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO 2024-0001, ALEX, I ASSUME THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE.
>> PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
ALEX SEAFRIED, 710 SML STREET.
I HAVE NO REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOUSE OTHER THAN, I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH HEIGHT ON A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT OVER ON, I THINK IT WAS ON WHITE STREET, AND IT KIND OF BECAME A A HOT MESS.
>> THE HOUSE OR THOSE THE ADU?
>> IT WAS THE ADU IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, CORRECT. NOT THE HOUSE.
MY CONCERN WITH THIS, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE ELEVATION CHANGE IS PRETTY DRAMATIC FROM THE STREET TO THE BACK OF THE LOT.
MY ONLY CONCERN, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION BY THAT OTHER OWNER WITH RESPECT TO HOW ELEVATION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND I'M NOT EVEN STILL CLEAR ON WHAT THE HEIGHT IS SUPPOSED TO BE MEASURED FROM, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENCE, FROM 12-19 THAT'S A SEVEN FOOT DIFFERENCE.
ANYWAY, I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO END UP BEING SOME OTHER PROBLEM.
>> ANN COULD YOU COME BACK UP, PLEASE? BE USEFUL FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
>> OKAY. THE HEIGHT IS 35 FEET FROM AVERAGE GRADE TO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE ROOF.
IT'S HARD TO READ IT, BUT AVERAGE GRADE, WE'LL GO TO THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
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>> HERE, THIS LINE RIGHT HERE IS THE AVERAGE GRADE WHICH IS 15 FEET.
WE MENTIONED RIGHT HERE IS THE 35 FEET FROM THIS POINT UP TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT BELOW THAT.
>> THAT'S ABOUT 24 FEET, AND WE HAVE 25 FEET THAT WE CAN GO THERE.
>> WE CAN WORK WITH. COUNSEL, WE CHANGED THAT PROVISION.
IT WAS 24, WE CHANGED TO 25. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT?
>> BECAUSE OF SCOTT AND JULIE, BASICALLY.
>> TO GET THE AVERAGE GRADE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT FROM THE FOUR CORNERS.
IN SOME CASES LIKE THIS, I THINK I ACTUALLY DID THREE POINTS ALONG BOTH SIDES.
>> YOU GO OUT ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THE CORNER TO ESTABLISH THAT AND AVERAGE IT OUT.
>> AS A COMMENT, THAT REAR ELEVATION IS DOING A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU, GIVING YOU THAT 19 IN THE BACK, HELPING YOU OUT WITH THAT BUILDING HEIGHT.
I ACTUALLY HAD A LOT OF FUN LOOKING AT YOUR SET OF DRAWINGS AND IMAGINING HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT THIS HOUSE? [LAUGHTER] HOW DO YOU WALK THROUGH IT? THEN SOME OF THE ROOM NAMES WERE INTERESTING, THEY'RE FUN. [LAUGHTER]
>> I WAS WONDERING IF ANYBODY WAS GOING TO ASK.
>> THE ADVENTURE AROUND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE OWNERS DO A LOT OF BOATING, KAYAKING, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY WANT LIKE THE BOAT HOUSE FEEL IN THAT ROOM.
THAT'S WHAT THEY LABELED THAT, THE ADVENTURE ROOM.
>> WE NOTICED THEIR ADDRESS IS HAWAII.
LET'S JUST PRAY WE DON'T HAVE AN ICE STORM BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME GOING UP AND DOWN.
>> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> YES. THANK YOU. ALEX, ALWAYS THOUGHTFUL, APPRECIATE IT.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
WHO HASN'T MADE A MOTION TONIGHT?
>> LET'S SEE. WHAT PAGE IS THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2024-001 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC 2024-001 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL A VOTE.
[5.4 HDC 2023-0111 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 10 ASH STREET CONCEPTUAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a new 2-story commercial structure for a seafood market, "Atlantic Seafood". (Quasi-Judicial)]
ASH STREET, THIS IS ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.MICHAEL, ARE YOU ON THIS? ARE YOU THE ONLY PERSON REPRESENTING?
TONIGHT, YOU ARE HEARING, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL, A PROJECT TO CONSIDER TWO-STORY SEAFOOD MARKET AND RESTAURANT LOCATED AT 10 ASH STREET, TOTALING 4,330 SQUARE FEET.
THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND AS DETAILED ON THE SCREEN.
STAFF HAS CONSIDERED THIS AS PART OF THE CRA, LOOKING AT THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR GUIDANCE WITHIN THE DESIGN AREA ASSOCIATED WITH THE STRUCTURE.
AS PART OF THAT, THERE IS ALSO GUIDANCE PROVIDED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SPECIFIC TWO STRUCTURES LOCATED ALONG THE DESIGN AREA OF THE CRA.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE EVALUATED THIS AGAINST PRIOR PLANS GOING AS FAR BACK AS 2007 WHICH CONTEMPLATED, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE EVENTUAL NEED TO REPLACE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
IT HAS BEEN THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDERED THAT AT SOME POINT, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD MAY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
IT HAS GENERALLY BEEN CONSIDERED TO BE WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT, SAME GENERAL AREA, AGAINST THE BOAT RAMP LOCATED THERE AT THE TERMINUS OF AS STREET.
THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN RECOGNITION THOUGH THAT THE VIEW CORRIDORS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CRA THAT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IMPEDES INTO THOSE VIEW CORRIDORS AND THAT ANY FUTURE CONSTRUCTION WOULD NEED TO COMPLY.
THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AS PROVIDED HERE DOES
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MAKE EFFORT TO COMPLY WITH THAT SECTION OF CODE AS WELL AS THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES, MOVING IT OUTSIDE OF THE VIEW CORRIDOR THAT IS ASH STREET.THE DESIGN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CRA IS INDUSTRIAL VERNACULAR, LOOKING AT SIMPLE ROOF FORMS AND SIMPLE INDUSTRIAL FEATURES, EXPOSED ELEMENTS THAT REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WAS AVAILABLE ALONG A HISTORIC INDUSTRIAL WORKING WATERFRONT.
I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A REALLY NICE JOB AT ATTEMPTING TO BRING THOSE ELEMENTS INTO THE DESIGN, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS HERE AND REALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE AVAILABLE VIEWS OUT TO THE WATERFRONT AREA.
I KNOW PEOPLE REALLY LIKE TO ENJOY THAT AREA OF OUR CITY.
THE DESIGN INSPIRATION THAT ARE GLEANED FROM THE APPLICATION REALLY ATTEMPTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND BRINGS FORTH DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED, INCLUDING SOME ELEMENTS THAT GO BACK TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY VIEW AS ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
I THINK THAT GREATER DETAILING AND AT A FINAL LEVEL REVIEW WOULD BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT AND ILLUSTRATES HOW THE DESIGN ELEMENTS WILL WORK WITH OUR DESIGN GUIDELINES.
ONE CRITICISM, AS INDICATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IS THIS EAST ELEVATION.
GIVEN THAT AS YOU GO DOWN ASH STREET, IT IS A REALLY PROMINENT ELEVATION AND IT READS AS THE BACK SIDE OF A BUILDING.
IT IS THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IT WAS REALLY EXCITED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BEAUTIFUL VIEWS ON THE WEST SIDE AT OUR WATERFRONT THERE, UNDERSTANDABLY.
BUT GIVEN THAT MOST PEOPLE DO EITHER BRING THEIR BOAT, THEY GO DOWN ASH STREET AND WE WANT TO HAVE A REALLY, NICE PROMINENT FEATURES AT THE END OF THOSE VIEW CORRIDORS, BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL DESIGN ELEMENTS OR FEATURES, PERHAPS INCORPORATING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING INTO THE FINAL DESIGN TO BETTER HIGHLIGHT THAT AREA AND NOT HAVE IT READ AS MUCH LIKE IT'S THE BACK OF A BUILDING.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN REALLY BE PROUD OF AND EXCITED TO SEE, PERHAPS EVEN CONSIDERING ADDING THE SIGNAGE TO THAT AREA SINCE THAT IS THE PRIMARY FACADE THAT YOU COME ACROSS AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN ASH STREET OR EVEN FRONT STREET.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIRST SEE.
SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT MIGHT BE INCORPORATED.
BUT I WILL DEFER TO THE BOARD FOR THEIR THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THE DESIGN.
AGAIN, THIS IS AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL REVIEW FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
>> I WOULD JUST ADD. ESCLUSA POINTED OUT WE RECOMMEND THE FENESTRATION ON THE SECOND LEVEL BE MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH THE WEST ELEVATION BY PROVIDING MORE AND LARGER WINDOWS.
THAT WAS ONE OF HIS POINTS AND HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT SERVICE PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE EAST ELEVATION WILL CREATE A CLUTTER OF SERVICE TRUCKS IN THE MAIN VIEW.
SERVICE PARKING IS DESIGNATED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE EXISTING SOUTH PARKING AREA.
I'M NOT SURE WE COULD DO THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY.
SOME OF MR. ESCLUSA'S RECOMMENDATIONS WERE CONSISTENT WITH THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WATERFRONT PLAN AS OPPOSED TO THIS ACTUAL BUILDING.
WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE HIM THINKING THAT THROUGH, BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
>> THIS BUILDING SITS IN THE FLAT PLAN.
>> SO IT NEEDS TO BE TWO FOOT OVER.
>> THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S LOWER THAN THAT.
>> I THINK IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE THAT BECAUSE WE ARE LACKING SOME OF THOSE DETAILS AND SURVEY WORK THAT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
I DID WANT TO POINT OUT ONE ADDITIONAL THING IF YOU DON'T MIND THAT I FAILED TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD AS PART OF MY STATEMENTS THAT THIS DESIGN AND ITS PLACEMENT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDERED WITH THE SEAWALL THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THIS AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, THIS WILL GO THROUGH TECHNICAL REVIEW FOR DESIGN COMPLIANCE AND CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU SEE IT AT A FINAL LEVEL.
>> WE STILL HAVE CONCEPTUAL TIME.
THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR MICHAEL IS HOW DOES THIS BUILDING FIT AGAINST THE RIVERWALK AND THE RIVERWALK SEAWALL?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS DIRECTED ON MICHAEL? MIKE IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD?
>> MICHAEL STAUFFER, ARCHITECT 1417 SADLER ROAD.
YES. CERTAINLY, I HEARD THE EARLIER COMMENTS AND READ THE EMAIL AS WELL THAT WAS SENT OUT.
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ONE THING I DID BRING THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE COMMISSION MOSTLY AT THIS POINT IS TRYING TO GET A FOOTPRINT.AS WE STARTED FROM THE BEGINNING, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ASK TO MAKE THE FOOTPRINT AS SMALL AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
WE DO HAVE A FOOTPRINT OF THE FLOOR PLAN THAT I CAN ALSO SHARE WITH THIS.
IT'S NOT AVAILABLE THROUGH WHAT WE SUBMITTED BEFORE.
I CAN SHOW YOU OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A FIRE STAIR.
WE HAVE FREEZERS, REFRIGERATORS, DELIVERY AND STORAGE AREAS.
WE WEREN'T GOING TO PUT ANY OF THOSE ON THE WEST SIDE.
REALLY, WE LIKE THE SOUTH SIDE BECAUSE AS YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AFTER I'M DONE, THE PLAZA AND THE PARK IS TO THE SOUTH.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE ENJOYABLE VIEWS FOR PEOPLE AT THE RESTAURANT.
ONE THOUGHT NOT TO JUMP TO JUST CONCLUSIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ON A LOT OF THE OLD HISTORIC BUILDINGS, THE WATERFRONT BUILDINGS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE WOULD BE LITTLE SHED ROOFS THAT COME OFF OF THE LOWER WRAPPED AROUND THE MAIN CENTRAL PIECE MAYBE AND PERHAPS ON THAT SIDE ELEVATION.
WE TRIED TO DO ONE HERE, THIS OVER THE REAR ENTRYWAY.
IF WE HAVE A DUMPSTER, WELL OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T PUT A ROOF OVER THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF.
BUT WHERE WE HAVE THE UTILITY YARD, PERHAPS THAT'S A SHED ROOF THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY ALONG AND ADDS SOME THREE DIMENSION AND CHARACTER TO IT, ALSO WOULD REPLICATE.
IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR CRA GUIDELINES AT ALL THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT GOING ON WITH OUR WATERFRONT.
CERTAINLY, THIS PORTION IS TWO-STORY RESTAURANT, SO UP IN THE FIRE STAIRS BACK HERE, SO WE CAN'T PUT WINDOWS IN IT.
THIS IS REALLY JUST BIG ATTIC SPACE.
CERTAINLY, WE COULD ADD WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WOULD ADD SOME CHARACTER.
SHUTTERS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR THE INDUSTRIAL LOOK.
CERTAINLY, INSTEAD OF JUST FIX LOUVERS LIKE THIS, WE COULD GO IN AND PUT SOME WINDOWS AND ADD SOME CHARACTER.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS THE IDEAL SPOT FOR THE SIGNS IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE END.
CERTAINLY, THINGS WE CAN DO TO HELP THAT.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, JUST SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS WAS ONE OF THE OLDER PLANS.
THIS LOWER-LEVEL DECK HERE DOES NOT EXIST.
THIS IS A ROOF OVER THE SINGLE STORY.
THOSE WERE ALL PART OF OUR REDUCTIONS WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE BODY COUNTDOWN FOR THE RESTAURANT.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THOSE DRAWINGS.
>> I HAD FORWARDED THEM AS A BACKUP TO YOU BUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT AND THEY WEREN'T WITH THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION.
>> WELL WE'RE JUST A CONCEPTUAL TONIGHT [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH, EXACTLY. REALLY, ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT IS THAT IS A SHED ROOF OVER THIS PORCH.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, OTHER ELEVATIONS JUST WOULDN'T SEE THOSE ELEMENTS EITHER.
OBVIOUSLY, BACK TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS FROM BEFORE LIKE THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
THAT'S THE PIECE THAT'S OUT THERE AND THAT'S A SHED ROOF THERE.
THERE IS OUTDOOR SEATING UP HERE AND COVERED SEATING THERE, AND THEN THIS IN FRONT IS UNCOVERED SEATING, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE SITE PLAN.
TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
WE WERE ESSENTIALLY CHARGED TO TELL WE HAD NO LOT. WE WEREN'T GIVEN A LOT.
WE SAID DESIGN A BUILDING, TELL US HOW MUCH LAND YOU NEED, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND CARVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AROUND.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD TO DO.
THIS IS THE SEAWALL AND THAT IS THE BENCH.
THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE'S BREATHERS AND LANDSCAPING AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SPACE IS THERE. WE ARE FOUR FEET ABOVE GRADE.
IF YOU IMAGINE THAT BENCH THAT'S OUT THERE, THAT'S YOUR FLOOD ZONE.
THAT'S ABOUT TWO FEET AS IT IS, AND WE'RE TWO FEET FURTHER ABOVE THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE STEPS HERE, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE RAMP SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
WE PUT IT BACK HERE BECAUSE WE FIGURED WE'D PUT THE HANDICAPPED PARKING IN THIS PROPOSED PARKING AREA IN THE BACK.
THIS WAS MENTIONED IN SOMEBODY'S COMMENTS I THINK ABOUT THIS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] ASKED ABOUT THE PLAZA. THAT'S REALLY NOT A PART OF YOUR [OVERLAPPING].
WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT WE ARE REAL WITH THIS PROJECT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BRINGS IS WE BRINGS INTO COMPLIANCE SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE CRA.
AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, KELLY, WAS THE FACT THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A VIEW CORRIDOR FROM ASH STREET TO THE WATER, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST.
WHEN THE CURRENT BUILDING, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE, GOES AWAY, I ALSO THINK ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT FROM THE DIRECTOR EARLIER IS I THINK THE DRAINAGE HERE GOES STRAIGHT THROUGH THERE. THAT'S PART OF THAT.
>> THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING A PLAZA.
>> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING A PLAZA.
BETWEEN THE TWO THINGS TO OPEN IT UP AND PLUS THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM GOING THROUGH THERE. THAT'S WHY WE LET THAT.
WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT IT NOW BECOMES THE OTHER PIECE OF PUBLIC GATHERING SPACE RIGHT BY THE BOAT RAMP AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BACK IN THIS AREA HERE, WE WERE JUST USING.
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SOME OF THIS WAS WHAT WAS DONE.WE REFLECTED WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE RECENT PROJECT ALONG THE WATERFRONT.
SOME OF THIS AREA WAS PART OF THAT PLAN, AND WE JUST USED SOME OF THAT FOR THE HANDICAPPED PARKING, MAKING IT VERY ACCESSIBLE BOTH TO THE PLAZA.
WHAT WILL BE THE FUTURE PARK OUT HERE IN THIS AREA? YOU CAN USE THAT WALKWAY AND THEN WE JUST PUT OUR RAMP THERE.
WE DID HAVE A SERVICE AREA THERE.
OBVIOUSLY, WE WILL HAVE DELIVERIES.
WE'VE ALL BEEN DRIVING DOWN THIRD STREET OR CENTER STREET OR SOMETHING AND SEEN A DELIVERY TRUCK PARKED HALFWAY IN THE ROAD.
THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE OUT. WE'RE HOPING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LINGER.
SO YES, THERE WILL BE SOME, BUT WE DO NOT INTEND OBVIOUSLY FOR THEM TO BE HANGING AROUND FOR VERY LONG.
AGAIN, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE THE DUMPSTER, WHICH WE DID SHOW HERE.
WE LEFT ONE ALLEYWAY OPEN SO THAT THE TRUCK CAN REACH IN AND BEHIND THE GATES AND GRAB THE DUMPSTER OUT.
AGAIN, WE TRIED TO FOLLOW THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FROM THE CRA TRYING TO WORK WITH THE INDUSTRIAL.
I'M CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS YOU'LL HAVE.
WE'LL OPEN UP TO INTEGRATING ANY OF THOSE THOUGHTS.
>> I AGREED WITH DIRECTOR GIBSON'S COMMENTS AND I PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE NOT FEEL LIKE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
MY THOUGHT WAS YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THAT BUMP OUT THAT CURRENTLY HAS THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD SIGN ON IT, THE ONE THAT I GUESS IS THE NORTH SIDE.
>> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FUNCTION OF THAT IS.
THE FUNCTION IS TO REPLACE THE SEAFOOD.
>> MAYBE IT IS ACTIVATED ON THE CITY SIDE SO THAT THE ACTUAL HOW PEOPLE APPROACH AND COME TO THE BUILDING FOR THAT SMALL PIECE OF THE FUNCTION IS ON THAT SIDE SO THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS SOME ACTIVITY AND SIGNAGE AND MAYBE A COVERED ELEMENT SO PEOPLE DON'T GET WET WHEN THEY COME UP.
BUT MAYBE THE ANSWER IS TO ACTUALLY REALLY ACTIVATE IT AS A USABLE PIECE OF THE BUILDING.
BEING THAT IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER AND ADDRESSES WHAT TRADITIONALLY IS THE AREA THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME TO GET THEIR FRESH SEAFOOD, MAYBE THAT'S A WAY TO GET TO THERE.
BUT ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT WE DID HAVE BECAUSE WITH COMMERCIAL YOU CAN DO FLOODPROOFING.
WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO FLOODPROOF THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
THE THOUGHT WE DID ACTUALLY HAVE THIS WAS A THOUGHT THAT WAS HAD WAS THIS PIECE ONLY COULD HAVE ITS FLOOR LEVEL DOWN HERE AS LONG AS IT HAS FLOOD LOGS AT THE DOORS AND IT'S PREPPED, WELL, JUST LIKE YOUR BOARDWALK DOES AT THE ENTRANCES.
THEN THIS COULD BE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, JIM.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU'RE SHRINKING THIS THING IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE RESTAURANT AND SHARING ITS REFRIGERATOR AND FREEZER WITH THE SALE OF THE SEAFOOD, WE COULDN'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDED TO HAVE EACH OF THEM AS THEY'RE INDEPENDENT.
WE WILL HAVE AN INTERIOR STAIR GETTING FROM HERE UP.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON, JIM, THAT THAT COULD ACTIVATE THAT FRONT A LITTLE BIT AND STILL MAYBE DO SOME OTHER THINGS DOWN THE SIDE.
>> IF UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WANTED THAT ON.
>> ON THIS SIDE WHERE WHEN YOU'RE COMING DOWN ASH STREET YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING [OVERLAPPING].
TAKE THAT AND PUT IT IN THE BACK.
>> FLIP IT AROUND. SO NOW, WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN ASH STREET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
>> IF I CAN GET MORE LAND, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
[LAUGHTER] NO, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
>> ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS A [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSION.
>> WE SHOULD BACK THIS UP A LITTLE BIT.
YOU RESPONDED TO OUR COMMENTS THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THIS.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE AND YOU DID CLEARLY STUDY THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
YOU MAY HEAR A LOT OF THINGS SAID, SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE IN CONFLICT.
YOU NEED TO TAKE THEM AND MANAGE [OVERLAPPING] THE BEST YOU CAN AND COME BACK.
BECAUSE SO FAR, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT PATH.
>> MAYBE IF WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE AWKWARDNESS OF THE CORNER.
>> YEAH. IS THIS THE POINT? HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO YOU HAVE HERE VERSUS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO YOU HAVE HERE, IF THAT'S THERE, BUT MAYBE WHERE THIS PIECE HERE IS ONE BIG ROOF, MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ONE-STORY.
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>> THEN NOW WOULD THEN BREAK THAT ROOF DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE THAT PIECE, THAT ONE STORY WRAPS AROUND THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT AND CREATES AGAIN A LITTLE MORE LAND.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO DRESS UP WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING HOW THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD SYSTEM STRUCTURE LOOKS RIGHT NOW.
>> WELL, IT'S FUNNY THE FIRST ONE WE DID WAS TOO FAR AWAY FOR MOST PEOPLE.
I ACTUALLY HAD SOMEBODY AT A PREVIOUS MEETING CAME UP, I REALLY LIKED THE FIRST ONE.
WHY DOES THIS ONE LOOK LIKE A BIG BOX? I SAID, WELL, WE HAD TO DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO.
>> ARE THERE QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS OR SO?
>> YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU'VE GOT THE LITTLE ACCESS FOR THE DUMPSTERS, I SEE THAT, AND THEN THAT PARKING LOT NEXT TO IT.
>> IS THAT WHERE IT'S A SERVICE PARKING THAT YOU MENTION FOR THE TRUCKS?
>> THAT WAS INTENDED FOR A TRUCK TO PULL OFF THE ROAD.
>> DOES THAT WORK FUNCTIONALLY FOR A TRUCK TO NAVIGATE IN THERE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THE ONE THAT THE CITY DID DOESN'T WORK.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SEMIS COMING DOWN HERE WITH LOADS OF STUFF.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BOX TRUCKS COMING IN, UPS-SIZE TRUCKS PROBABLY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] MIKE. [OVERLAPPING] I LIKE 5,000 MILES A YEAR ON DESIGN AND EVERY RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN HAS A SEMI-PARKING LOT.
>> KEEP IN MIND, MAY NOT DO A SEMI, BUT THIS IS ACCESS JUST FOR THE DUMPSTER, SO TECHNICALLY, A SERVICE TRUCK CAN USE THE ENTIRE [OVERLAPPING].
>> HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST AND SEE IF THE BOARD WILL ALLOW ME HERE.
YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF BEFORE YOU GET TO TRC TO DESIGN THE APPROPRIATE SERVICE ENTRANCE FOR ALL YOUR TRUCKS.
>> RIGHT, JACOB? JACOB SAYS YES.
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN THE MARRIOTT HOTEL WENT IN, ULTIMATELY, [OVERLAPPING] IT GOT APPROVED, AND LITERALLY WHEN THEY MOVED IN, THE TRUCKS ARE PARKING UP IN FRONT OF PRINCE OF PEACE.
>> JACOB AND I WERE LIKE, WE DID PUT IN A TRUCK LOADING ZONE.
WE NEED ONE ON FIFTH STREET NOW, BY THE WAY. WHERE'S JEREMIAH?
>> WE'VE GOT ROOM HERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT. [OVERLAPPING] IT'LL BE HANDICAP PARKING DURING THE AFTERNOON, EVENING.
IT'LL BE SERVICE TRUCK PARKING. YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR LEASE.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT YOU GUYS ARE IDENTIFYING ISSUES THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN LATER.
>> WHAT I LIKED THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT WRAP-AROUND ROOF ON THE SIDE FACING ASH STREET.
THE MORE YOU CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE OLD FERNANDINA WATERFRONT, THE BETTER TO ME.
THAT SEEMS TO START TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I WOULD HAVE ABOUT THE STYLE IF YOU WILL.
THE WATERFRONT IS INDUSTRIAL AND THIS LOOKS NEW.
>> THESE PICTURES THAT ARE IN YOUR CRA, THE BIG BOXES THAT RUN DOWN WITH LITTLE SHED ROOFS OFF THE SIDE, [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO DO TO MAKE A SIMPLE, BIG WAREHOUSE FORM AND TRY TO PUT SOME PORCHES ON IT SO YOU COULD SIT AND HAVE A DRINK AND SOME FOOD.
>> THE MORE YOU CAN DO THAT BETTER, BUT I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT IF THE VIEW SOMEBODY COMING DOWN ASH STREET HAS THAT BUILDING IS DUMPSTERS AND SERVICE AREAS ONLY, THEN THEY MIGHT NOT GO INTO THAT RESTAURANT.
>> THE THING ABOUT THAT MIKE IS WE CAN DESIGN GREAT-INTENTIONED THINGS ALL DAY LONG, LIKE DUMPSTERS WITH GREAT-LOOKING GATES.
WHAT HAPPENS IN FUNCTION GO BUY PEPPERS? THE GATES ARE WIDE OPEN ALL DAY LONG.
THERE'S MATS HANGING OVER THEM, THERE'S MOPS HANGING OUT THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE RESIDENTS LOOK AT ALL THE TIME.
IF THIS IS REALLY THE GATEWAY AND THE ENTRY PIECE TO DOWN THERE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO JUST BE DESIGNED WELL, BUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED REALLY WELL AND NOT HAVE THE TRUCKS HAVING TO PARK ON FRONT STREET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T NAVIGATE WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL SERVICE.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THE WESTERNMOST PART OF THE DECK WHERE IT GETS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE BOARDWALK FOR DECK JUMPERS.? CAN YOU JUST POP UP THERE? DOES YOU DECK COME OUT?
>> WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE 48 INCHES ABOVE GROUND, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A 42-INCH GUARD RAIL ALONG THAT ENTIRE SIDE.
COULD SOMEBODY CLIMB UP ON THAT BENCH AND THEN CLIMB UP ON THE FENCE AND CLIMB OVER THE DECK? WITHOUT A DOUBT. I'M SURE THEY'VE DONE IT AT BRETT'S WALKING AROUND.
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>> WE COULD ASK THEM TO GIVE THEM A SIGN.
>> THE FRONT STREET SIDE OR ASH STREET SIDE?
>> THE CLASSIC ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BIG TACO SIGN, WHERE IS THAT GOING TO BE?
>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
>> I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE AN OPEN WALL ON THAT FRONT STREET SIDE, I'D PUT IT THERE JUST SO THAT YOU CAPTURE.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE'S LITTLE OF THIS BUILDING THAT IS WORTH SALVAGING THE SIGN ADS.
>> AGAIN, IT IS HARD WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIGN TO GO, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE VIEW WILL BE ON ASH AND WHAT PERCENTAGE WILL BE FROM PEOPLE FROM CENTER WALKING THAT WAY.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND WE CERTAINLY CAN INTEGRATE. MORE SIGN IS BETTER.
WE CAN GET AWAY WITH THE SIGN ON EVERY SIDE.
PUT ONE ON THE WATERFRONT SIDE SO PEOPLE AT THE BOAT CAN SEE IT. WE'RE ALL IN.
>> ONE LAST POINT FROM THIS REPRESENTATIVE.
>> PUT IT UP ON THE RIDGE WITH NEON LIGHTS.
>> I'M GOING TO REITERATE A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK, FOR ME, WHEN I IMAGINE DRIVING DOWN OR WALKING DOWN ASH STREET, ACTIVATING THAT CORNER THAT YOU SEE IS IMPORTANT TO ME.
ALSO, YOU WERE TALKING SOMEWHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE INTERNAL ELEMENTS THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE TWO-STORY PART THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST THE ONE-STORY PART.
MAYBE IF THAT BIT COULD BE REDUCED SOMEWHAT SO IT MAY BE STEPS UP WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS I'VE BEEN HEARING ARE REGARDING VIEW FROM THE CITY BACK OUT TO THE WATER.
NOW I'VE GONE FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES TO ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE THE VIEW MYSELF, AND I'VE COME AWAY WITH TWO REALIZATIONS.
ONE, I MATRICULATE AS CLOSE TO THE WATER AS I CAN GET TO GET THE VIEW, WHICH MEANS THIS BUILDING'S BEHIND ME, NOT IN FRONT OF ME.
TWO OF THE FOUR TIMES I WENT DOWN THERE, THERE WAS A MASSIVE CRUISE SHIP THAT'S TWICE THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING IN FRONT OF MY VIEW.
I'M LIKE, THE VIEW IS CERTAINLY PART OF IT.
MAYBE FOR ME, IT'S THE VIEW AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN ASH STREET THAT, TO ME, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT.
[OVERLAPPING] YEAH, EXACTLY, RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE APPLYING IT.
MAYBE IF THAT ROOF FORM COULD BE BROKEN DOWN AND REDUCED A LITTLE.
>> I THINK IF YOU IMAGINE THIS IS ONE BIG BOX RIGHT HERE.
THEN TO WRAP THIS AROUND, THIS PIECE OF THAT BOX GETS NARROWER, SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD ROOF LINE.
FROM THE FRONT NOW IT'S A DOUBLE GABLE UP AT THE TOP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF A WRAP AROUND FIRST FLOOR.
I THINK THAT COULD PROBABLY ACCOMMODATE.
>> I KEEP SAYING ACTIVATE THAT CORNER.
>> I THINK IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL FUNCTION THERE ON THE CORNER, THEN AT LEAST THE CORNER, WHICH TO ME, IS THE MOST VISIBLE PART AS YOU'RE COMING DOWN ASH HAS AN ACTUAL FUNCTION AS OPPOSED TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
>> FOR ME THAT WOULD HELP A LOT.
THEN ANYTHING THAT CAN REDUCE THAT ROOF A LITTLE HELPS THE VIEW COMMENTS TOO. THANK YOU.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THE WEST ELEVATION DRAWN, THAT ONE, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE TOP DECK IS UNCOVERED.
>> THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE. I'M SORRY.
THE ONE OTHER PIECE THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON THE OTHER DRAWINGS IS THIS ROOF SHED DORMERS OUT TO COVER THIS PIECE OR THIS PORTION.
THIS DOESN'T EXIST AS A SEATING AND THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
>> SO YOU WILL HAVE THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS PIECE IS COVERED HERE.
>> IT'LL LINE UP WITH THE COLUMN ABOVE.
>> THEN FROM THIS SIDE, YOU WOULD SEE IF WE DO WHAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, THAT RIDGE LINE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD ADD SOMETHING TO THIS SIDE AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE HDC 2023-0111? SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
>> THAT WAS HEALTHY. SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I THINK WE CAN TRUST MICHAEL TO TAKE THIS FEEDBACK AND COME BACK.
HE'S DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB FROM THE FIRST ITERATION TO THIS.
I THINK WE'LL GO WHERE WE NEED TO BE.
I KNOW JACOB IS HERE LISTENING, SO WE'LL DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE TECHNICAL ISSUES AS WELL.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0111 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT
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THE DESIGN INCORPORATE THE COMMENTS REGARDING ACTIVATING THE ASH STREET SIDE AND CORNER AND REDUCING A PORTION OF THE MAIN ROOF IN HEIGHT BE INCORPORATED IN THE DESIGN WORK.I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2023-0111 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> SECOND. FILKOFF, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
THOSE ARE ALL THE ADJUDICATORY CASES WE HAVE TONIGHT.
WE DO HAVE SOME ADVISORY CONVERSATIONS TO GO ON.
[6.1 Waterfront Park Concept Plan (Lots C and D) - CRA Advisory Board Members Eric Bartelt and Lisa Finklestein will present the updated waterfront park plan to the board. Specific elements of the plan will return at a later date for a Certificate of Approval under regular board business]
6.1 WATERFRONT PARK CONCEPT PLAN, LOTS C AND D. DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR WE JUST GO TO MISS LISA?>> MISS LISA, DO. ITS A PRESENTATION PREPARED FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
>> THANK YOU. LISA FINKELSTEIN IS HERE.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> LISA FINKELSTEIN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR MAIN STREET, 309.5 CENTER STREET. PASSWORD?
>> I THINK YOU DID THIS IN EIGHT MINUTES THE OTHER NIGHT.
I WAS SO IMPRESSED YOU COULD COVER THAT MUCH GROUND.
>> SINCE THIS APPARENTLY WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW FOR SOME.
>> EASY TO UNDERSTAND, EASY TO READ, THE NUMBERS MATCH. [LAUGHTER]
>> CHILDREN. WE'RE ENCOURAGING CHILDREN?
>> UNDER THE DECK AT ATLANTIC SEA.
[LAUGHTER] I'D BE ALL OVER THAT.
I'M JUST GOING TO START WITH A LITTLE REVIEW.
>> THIS IS NOT PULLING, I'M GOING TO DO THIS.
>> WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, I'M GOING TO GET SOME WATER.
>> IT'S THE FOLDER THAT SAYS WATER FRONTS.
>> WELL, I'LL WAIT UNTIL SHE GETS THAT UP SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, I THINK.
>> YOU SEE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH FOOD DELIVERY.
>> LET'S TRY TO TRY. IT'S GOING TO PLUCK THE WHOLE SPACE UNTIL IT GETS DONE.
>> GETTING THE GARBAGE TRUCKS.
>> IT'S A NIGHTMARE. YOU CAN'T PLAN A BIGGER ONE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE A LOT OF SPACE.
I MADE OUR TRY CARE COMES DOWN.
IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF BECAUSE I DON'T WORK FOR 10:00-10:00.
HE JUST SITS HERE AND HE'S STILL THERE AND NO ONE CAN [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT WAS THE RIGHT PLACE I WANTED TO START WITH.
IT SHOULD BE THE ONE CALLED PARKING C AND D DRAFT 5.
>> THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO START?
>> OH, SHE WENT TO GET SOME WATER.
>> LET'S DRAG OUR FEET FOR JUST A SECOND.
LISA, GOING INTO THE DATE, WAS IT TUESDAY? I NOTICED A LACK OF COMMENTARY FROM THE PUBLIC GENERALLY SPEAKING ABOUT THE PLAN.
>> THEY'RE EXHAUSTED. [LAUGHTER]
>> MY SENSE OF THAT WAS THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY, IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THEM.
BUT IF IT'S GENERALLY PRETTY WELL RECEIVED, YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH AND WE DIDN'T HEAR MUCH.
>> NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
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THERE WERE VERY FEW COMMENTS.I THINK THE MAYOR SHARED WITH ME HE HAD FIVE EMAILS.
REALLY, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, I THINK THAT'S A STATEMENT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S A GOOD SIGN. BUT GO AHEAD.
>> JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS THE PARKING DESIGN THAT WE HAD SUBMITTED.
WHEN I SAY WE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD SO SPEAKING FROM THAT, WEARING THAT HAT.
THIS IS THE PARKING PLAN THAT WE HAD RECOMMENDED TO CITY COMMISSION.
WHEN THEY APPROVED IT, THEY AUTHORIZED CITY STAFF TO GO AHEAD WITH THE LARGER BOAT TRAILER PARKING SPACES THAT YOU SEE NEAR THE BOTTOM AND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
THERE WERE SOME CHANGES MADE TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THIS RENDERING.
WHEN THEY GOT OUT THERE TO DO THAT THERE WAS A FIRE HYDRANT THAT COULDN'T BE MOVED AND EVERYTHING.
ORIGINALLY, WE WERE HOPING THAT THIS WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, 10 TRAILER OR BOAT TRAILER PARKING SPACES, IT BECAME NINE WHEN IT WAS FINISHED, WHICH WAS STILL A GAIN OF TWO OVER WHAT HAD BEEN THERE PREVIOUSLY.
THEN THE PARKING AROUND THE PERIMETER, WHICH YOU'LL SEE, THAT CREATED 74 SPACES.
THERE WAS NO LOSS OF PARKING WITH RECONFIGURING EVERYTHING AND YET IT BROUGHT IT INTO CONFORMITY WITH THE CODE, WITH THE LANDSCAPE ISLANDS AND ALL OF THAT.
I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, WHICH HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE SPACE IS ALLOCATED FOR IT.
BUT THAT WILL IMPACT SOME OF THAT PARKING, JUST BASED ON WHAT WE SAW TONIGHT.
WE HAD NO WAY TO KNOW WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S MEMORY THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WERE STARTING FROM WITH THE PARKING AND THEN OUT OF THAT, THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SPACE IN BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE SEAWALL.
THAT WAS WHAT THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD TOOK ON NEXT AND THEN WE MADE THIS RECOMMENDATION ON TUESDAY NIGHT THAT I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU.
KELLY, MAYBE THE ONE THAT SAYS WITH LABELS, WE'LL GO TO THAT ONE.
>> IF YOU WANT, I CAN ZOOM INTO SPECIFIC ELEMENTS AS YOU'RE DISCUSSING THEM.
>> IF YOU CAN JUST BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE THE WHOLE. PERFECT.
>> THAT'S PERFECT. I'M JUST GOING TO START AT ONE END AND WORK DOWN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS WHAT SOME OF THE THINGS ARE.
FIRST OFF, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THE AREA THAT WAS REFERRED TO AS THE PLAZA, THAT EXISTS BECAUSE BY MOVING THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, THE EXISTING STORE OUT OF THAT AREA, IT OPENS UP THAT VIEW CORRIDOR AND THAT VIEW CORRIDOR NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
IT CANNOT BE PARKING, IT CAN'T BE ANYTHING THAT'S ABOVE GROUND.
THAT'S WHY IT IS RIGHT NOW JUST OPEN SPACE.
WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.
DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED ATLANTIC SEAFOOD SPACE WOULD BE A PICNIC GROVE.
THIS IS TALL SHADE TREES POSSIBLY SOME CYPRESS OR CEDAR OR A PINE.
THEN IN THE CENTER OF IT IS A 20 FOOT LONG PICNIC TABLE.
THIS WOULD BE AN AREA THAT PEOPLE COULD USE, MULTIPLE PEOPLE COULD USE IT, ONE FAMILY COULD USE IT.
BUT IT IS SIMILAR TO ONE THAT'S LOCATED ON ST. SIMON'S ISLAND THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY POPULAR.
AS WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH, I'M GOING TO GO JUMP TO THIS AREA.
THIS IS A CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA.
IT'S A SMALLER AREA WITH ONE ELEMENT.
IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE A LARGE PLAYGROUND, IT IS DESIGNED TO BE A PLAY AREA FOR CHILDREN ON THE WATERFRONT.
WE HAVE MANY PLAYGROUNDS THAT HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THEM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO REPLICATE THAT AT THIS LOCATION BUT RATHER A PLACE WHERE WHEN A FAMILY IS DONE WITH DINNER AND THEY WALK DOWN TO THE WATERFRONT, THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEIR CHILD TO PLAY.
I DO HAVE A PICTURE, I BELIEVE, OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING OR LOOKING AT AS A POSSIBILITY TO GO IN HERE.
IT'S COMPLETELY ADA COMPLIANT.
IT MOVES, IT SPINS, IT'S REALLY AIMED AT ALL AGES.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THAT ELEMENT TO BE DETERMINED BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES.
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>> MAYBE PEG PETE CAN GO ON THE TOP.
>> YOU'LL SEE THERE IS NO MENTION OF THEM IN MY PRESENTATION.
AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE SOUTH, THIS IS THE MULTI USE PAVILION.
THE PLATFORM THAT YOU SEE IS RAISED ABOUT 21 INCHES OFF THE GROUND, THAT GIVES BETTER VISIBILITY.
THEN THERE IS A 32*36 INCH PAVILION ON TOP OF THAT PLATFORM.
THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SELF-CONTAINED CONCERTS, SMALL CONCERTS ON THE STAGE, OR A BAND OR SOMETHING COULD BE ON THE STAGE PROJECTING OUT INTO THE LAWN.
IT WOULD GIVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
IT COULD ALSO BE RENTED AS THE PAVILION AT THE PARK IS FOR A FAMILY GATHERING, A BIRTHDAY PARTY, YOGA, ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES.
IT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES.
AGAIN, WOULD GIVE SOME SHELTER IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY THAT WANTED TO DO SOME ENTERTAINMENT DOWN THERE IN A SMALLER GROUP.
JUST TOWARDS TO THE WEST OF THAT, THIS AREA WOULD BE A SEATING AREA THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE CHESS TABLES AND CHAIRS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES BUT DEFINITELY WOULD BE A SEATING AREA, WOULD GIVE A PRIME VIEWING OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RIVER BUT THEN WOULD ALSO BE AN EXTENSION OF THAT PAVILION AREA TOO.
THAT IS THERE. THEN I'LL JUST BACKTRACK HERE TO THE WEST ALONG THE RIVER.
THIS WOULD BE A NEW WALKWAY WITH A GAZEBO AT THE END AND THAT IS ANGLED PURPOSELY SO THAT IT POINTS AWAY FROM THE MILL.
WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS THE RIVER AND THE MARINA AND THAT THING.
COULD BE A SPOT FOR SOMEONE TO GET MARRIED AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE GATHERING HERE.
BUT JUST, AGAIN, A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO WALK TO AND VIEW THE SUNSET.
THIS OPEN AREA IS THE GREEN SPACE THAT WOULD BE THE EVENT LAWN.
IT COULD BE A PLACE YOU THROW FRISBEES OR PLAY CATCH WITH YOUR DOG, WHATEVER.
BUT IT WOULD SEAT ROUGHLY 1,200 PEOPLE.
IF YOU IMAGINE SOUNDS ON CENTER IS ABOUT 800 PEOPLE, THIS WOULD BE A [NOISE] LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.
THEN THIS AREA IS ALREADY THERE AS YOU CAN SEE.
IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, IT'S UNDERNEATH, YOU CAN SEE THE SKETCH OF THE OUTLINE OF THE CURRENT PATTON COURTS.
THIS IS JUST ANGLED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY, BUT BASICALLY IN THE SAME LOCATION, IS THE SAME NUMBER OF COURTS.
IT'S REALLY A FLEX SPACE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR VENDOR TENTS, ADDITIONAL SEATING FROM THE LAWN.
IT ACTUALLY COULD EVEN BE PARKING DURING SHRIMP FEST BECAUSE THE VEHICLE ACCESS IS RIGHT HERE, NUMBER 10, THAT IS THE VEHICLE ACCESS TO BRING EQUIPMENT ON TO SET UP A BAND, OR BRING MOWING EQUIPMENT ON.
BUT YOU COULD EASILY BRING CARS IN THAT WAY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT LIKE SHRIMP FEST, WHERE PARKING IS TRULY AT A PREMIUM DOWNTOWN.
>> HOW MANY SPACES WOULD WE GET?
>> WE WOULD GET 20 SPACES IN THAT AREA, AND THEN ADDITIONAL SPACES ON THE LAWN TOO, IF WE CHOSE TO BE ON THE LAWN.
NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
THERE MAY BE IRRIGATION CONCERNS ON THE GRASS.
>> I DON'T WANT TO TEAR UP THE EXISTING LAWN.
>> I THINK WE WOULD CHOOSE TO USE THE SHELL AND GRAVEL AREA BEFORE WE WOULD EVER GO TO THE GRASS.
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT BETWEEN THE PARKING PLAN THAT YOU DID AND THIS DESIGN, WE'RE ACTUALLY INCREASING PARKING AT THE LARVA.
>> THE POTENTIAL IS THERE, YES, DEFINITELY.
IF YOU WANT TO FLASH THAT ONE BACK UP.
HERE IS A RENDERING OF WHAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT WITH MY MAIN STREET HAT ON, AND I'M LOOKING AT ISLAND HOP, THE CRAFT BEER FESTIVAL.
I'M LOOKING AT I BELIEVE 29 VENDOR BOOTHS HERE.
THEN I'M LOOKING AT MY BAND BEING HERE AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR PEOPLE HAVING A GREAT TIME IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S A GREAT SPACE WITH A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
IT COULD BE THE FARMER'S MARKET, COULD BE A CRAFT SHOW, IT COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS.
I THINK THAT REALLY HAS POTENTIAL.
YOU'LL SEE AGAIN ALONG HERE THAT IS AN OPENING IN THE SEA WALL WHERE THIS OPENING IS WOULD CORRESPOND WITH ANOTHER VIEWING PLATFORM OR LITTLE PIER.
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I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY EXPERT ON THAT.
IT'S JUST THIS ONE THAT'S NOT EXISTING.
YES THE IDEA HERE IS, AGAIN, WALKABILITY.
PEOPLE COME DOWN NOW AND THEY CAN WALK OUT ALONG THE SEAWALL.
MAYBE STOP HERE AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIEW, SHRIMP BOATS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THE ONLY CHOICES TO WALK BACK.
FROM HERE, THEY WOULD COME THROUGH THIS CUT AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET ONTO THE WALKWAY WITHIN THE PARK AREA ITSELF.
>> WOULDN'T THERE BE A SIDEWALK THERE IN FRONT OF THE PARKING AS WELL?
>> THERE IS A SIDEWALK RIGHT ALONG HERE.
>> I COULD GO, YOU COULD DO A BIG LOOP.
OR YOU COULD DO THE INTERIOR LOOP.
>> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I'M WALKING OUT ON FRONT STREET IN ABOUT SIX.
>> RIGHT THIS WALKWAY WOULD BE, WE'RE THINKING LIKE AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE WALKWAY SO THAT IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL, IT HAS THREE FOCAL POINTS ALONG IT.
ONE COULD BE LANDSCAPING ELEMENT, ONE COULD BE PUBLIC ART.
THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS.
ONE AREA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE NEED FOR SHADE.
EVERYBODY WANTS THE VIEW AND EVERYBODY WANTS SHADE, AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EXACTLY GO TOGETHER.
WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED BY OUR GROUP WERE PALM TREES HERE, SO THAT YOU WOULD GET A LITTLE BIT OF HEIGHT WITH THE PALM FRONDS OFFERING SHADE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BLOCK THE VIEW LIKE A LARGER, WIDER TREE WOULD.
YET TO BE DETERMINED WHAT EXACTLY THE LANDSCAPE SELECTION WILL BE.
THEN LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS IS THE VEHICLE ACCESS HERE.
THIS IS A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS HERE.
THIS WOULD BE PEDESTRIAN OBVIOUSLY, AS WELL, WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR MAINTENANCE AND THINGS.
THIS IS A LITTLE PERGOLA THAT IS REALLY THE OFFICIAL MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE PARK.
BUT HERE WE WOULD HAVE SOME HEDGES AND ALSO A FENCE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PREVENT PEOPLE FROM COMING OUT OF THEIR CARS WALKING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING AND INTO THE PARK.
WE WANT TO FUNNEL THEM INTO THOSE ENTRANCES.
HAVING THAT FENCING THERE TOO, WOULDN'T PREVENT ACCESS LIKE A GATE WOOD, BUT IT WOULD AT LEAST CONTROL THE FLOW OF WHERE PEOPLE WALKED.
THEN FINALLY, OVER HERE AS YOU COME ALONG, THIS IS A BUTTERFLY GARDEN.
A POLLINATOR GARDEN THAT WOULD BE LOCATED THERE THINKING, HAVE I FORGOTTEN ANYTHING? OH, SORRY, THAT'S WHAT I FORGOT.
RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE, THIS LITTLE SQUARE IS A PUBLIC RESTROOM.
IT IS A POSITION SO THAT IT'S NEAR THE PAVILION, ALSO NEAR THE PLAYGROUND FOR PARENTS WITH CHILDREN WHO CAN'T RUN TOO FAR.
AND SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THERE.
IT WOULD BE IF YOU THINK OF THE EGAN'S CREEK RESTROOM, A FACILITY LIKE THAT.
HOWEVER, THE ARCHITECTURE OF BOTH THAT FACILITY AND THE PAVILION ITSELF YET TO BE DETERMINED, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT FITS IN WITH THE WATERFRONT AND THAT LOOK AND THAT STYLE, BUT THAT'S BEYOND MY ABILITIES.
>> WE WILL EXPECT IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES.
WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THE CHARLIE TO THAT TOO.
>> YEAH. I THINK THOSE THINGS WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AS THEY GET TO BE DEVELOPED.
WHAT WE HAD ASKED THE CITY COMMISSION TO DO WAS APPROVE THE CONCEPT OF THIS AND THEN ADVISED STAFF TO MOVE ON TO PRODUCE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE ALSO ASKED THEM TO CONSULT THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS FOR THE ARCHITECTURE ON THE PAVILION ITSELF AND THE RESTROOM, SO THAT THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WITH THAT AREA.
>> YEAH. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF WILL BE PURSUED.
WE'LL HAND THE ENGINEERS THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AS PART OF THEIR PROCESS.
IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ULTIMATELY SEE DIRECTOR OF THE PROCESS HERE IS THIS WILL END UP BACK BEFORE US WHEN IT'S READY TO GO, RIGHT?
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>> IT REALLY DEPENDS IN TOTAL.
IDEALLY, YOU SHOULD SEE THIS AT A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL TO APPROVE IT IN ITS DESIGN FORMALLY.
>> THE INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS WOULD COME IN AS THEY'RE READY TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
YOU MAY SEE THE NEW PAVILION OVER THE WATER, THE STAGE, RIGHT, THE RESTROOMS AT DIFFERENT POINTS.
THEY MAY COME IN AT CONCEPTUAL AND THEN FINAL APPROVAL FOR FINAL APPROVAL, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR ALONG THEY ARE.
I DON'T IMAGINE THAT THIS IS ALL GOING TO COME IN AS A SINGLE PACKAGE.
I DON'T GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE BOARD, IF THERE ARE LARGE CONCERNS OR THINGS THAT NEED TO BE INCORPORATED IN THIS DESIGN, THEY GET ARTICULATED NOW.
THEN WHEN A CONCEPTUAL LEVEL APPROVAL MOVES FORWARD TO YOU. YOU'VE GOT THAT.
>> JUMPING OFF OF KELLY'S POINT THERE, WE JUST SAW ATLANTIC SEAFOOD TRYING TO MESH THESE TWO PLANS TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE BOTH CONCEPTUAL, BUT BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED AND WHAT'S PRESENTED HERE, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE IMPACTED? THE EASY QUESTION IS, WHAT'S OUR NET GAIN OR LOSS OF THE PARKING? THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW AND WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING THERE.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE THE SERVICE AREA.
>> QUESTION YOU WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED.
>> THESE TWO PLANTS REALLY NEED TO DICTATE.
>> THE CRA GUIDELINES HAVE A REQUIREMENT, DON'T THEY? ABOUT PARKING?
>> NOT WITH THE WATER PARK ELEMENTS.
>> NO. I MEAN, WITH THE SEAFOOD ATLANTA, NO?
>> WE WOULD HAVE A BOAT HOUSE.
>> IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO TO 2 HANDICAPPED SPOTS ARE PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH FOR BOTH THE PARK AND THAT LANDSCAPE.
>> I BELIEVE THERE'S AT LEAST 4 ON THIS MAP. WE HAVE 4.
WE HAD 5 AND THEN WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE FIRST STEP, THEY ASKED THAT WE TAKE 1 OUT TO RELOCATE A LANDSCAPE ISLAND.
>> WHAT I WOULD ASK STAFF THEN TO THINK ABOUT IS, SINCE THAT IS NOT REALLY A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS AREA OTHER THAN THE 4, THAT PERHAPS FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, THIS LOT OUT HERE MIGHT NEED MORE HANDICAP PARKING.
I JUST THINK WE HAVE A SMALL NUMBER OF THEM TODAY, AND IT SHOWS DOWNTOWN A LOT.
WHEN WE ADD THAT VOLUME FOR BOTH A RESTAURANT AND A PARK, WE NEED TO COVER IT SOMEWHERE. [NOISE]
>> I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, YOU'VE COVERED SO MANY REALLY THOUGHTFUL THINGS AND NEEDS UP THERE.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A PUNCTUATED FENCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT KEEPING PEOPLE OUT, BUT IT'S WHAT WE TERM IN THE BUSINESS, STOPPING A PATH OF DESIRE FOR PEOPLE THAT JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH THERE.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LOOK AT FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT IS, AND I'M SURE ERIC IS GOING TO DO THIS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAINTAINING THIS PLACE, MAKE SURE IT'S IDIOT-PROOF.
HOW DO YOU GET YOUR MOWERS FROM A - B - C? HOW DO YOU GET INTO THE CURLY CUE? DO THEY NEED TO EDGE EVERY LITTLE THING? IS IT TOO MUCH OF A SHARP TURN? DO WE NEED THAT RADIUSES? BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IT'S JUST GOING TO BECOME TRASH.
>> THAT COULD BE PART OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT'S HANDED TO THE ENGINEERING FIRM.
>> THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST BRINGING UP THOUGHTS.
>> ERIC, DID YOU HAVE THOUGHT YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US?
>> JUST IN RESPONSE TO THE PARKING SPACES, IT'S 8, THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD PLAN.
>> EIGHT LESS THAN WE HAVE CURRENTLY?
>> YEAH. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 74, AND THIS WAS PROPOSED TO BE 74.
>> YOU COULD. THERE'S A POTENTIAL.
>> THIS IS SEMI RELATED TO WHAT TAMMY WAS SAYING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING LAST NIGHT, THEY APPROVED OUTSOURCING OF LANDSCAPING FOR DOWNTOWN.
IS THERE A THOUGHT THAT THIS PARK WOULD BE ADDED TO THAT CONTRACT?
>> IT'S LIKE YOU READ MY MIND.
YOU COULD ALMOST DO THE SAME JOB, REALLY.
[02:25:02]
>> YES. ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES THAT WE WOULD APPROACH THE COMPANY WITH THE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT ABOUT HANDLING THIS AREA AS WELL.
[NOISE] WE APPRECIATE YOUR SIT THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND READY TO DO THAT.
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
ERIC, WE WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD.
I KNOW YOU'VE DONE MULTIPLE ITERATIONS. THIS IS A WINNER.
CITY COMMISSION WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO PULL THESE GUYS HERE SHORTLY.
>> SERIOUSLY, AS A CITIZEN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
WE ARE NOT PAYING HIM FOR THIS, SO THANK YOU.
>> HIS REWARD WILL BE IN HEAVEN OR AT THE WATERFRONT. YES.
>> THAT SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WE NEED TO BE PAYING ALSO, INCLUDING JOSE AND ARLENE THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. YOU'RE NOT TO VIOLATE THE LAW WHERE YOU'RE FROM.
>> IN THE 20 YEARS OF THIS? [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S A COMMUNITY EFFORT, YES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK GOOD.
WE HAVE REAL SERIOUS PROBLEMS HERE.
MOVING FORWARD, IF THEY COME FORWARD ON THIS LEVEL, WE'LL BE OKAY.
THERE'S A LOT OF HURDLES TO GET OVER.
THERE'S ENGINEERING DESIGN, BUT WE'RE GENERALLY OKAY. KIM.
>> I'M SET FOR ALL THINGS I HEAR.
ALTHOUGH I COULD TELL BY HIS NOTES, I THINK HE'S PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
MR. NORMAN'S NOT HERE EITHER, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING UP WITH THAT. I'M SORRY.
[6.3 Consultant Review of RFQ for Downtown Historic District Design Guidelines Update - Staff requests the board to nominate one member to serve on the review committee for the Downtown Historic District Design Guidelines RFQ.]
>> CAN WE JUST ELECT HIM AND GO?
>> NO. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT CONSULTANT REVIEW FOR RFQ FOR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES. DIRECTOR, PLEASE.
>> WE ARE CURRENTLY ADVERTISING FOR A CONSULTANT TO WORK WITH US IN UPDATING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR DOWNTOWN.
HOPING TO ALSO INCLUDE THE CRA THAT HAS NOT BEEN FORGOTTEN AS PART OF THE UPDATE.
IT MAY NOT HAPPEN AT THE EXACT SAME TIME.
IT MAY JUST FOLLOW IT IMMEDIATELY, BUT WE HAVE NOT MISSED THAT POINT.
I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THOSE 2 TOGETHER.
I WOULD LIKE, AS PART OF THE REVIEW OF THAT, FOR ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO SERVE IN REVIEWING THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE RECEIVE AS PART OF THE REVIEW AND SELECTION COMMITTEE.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU APPOINT SOMEONE.
>> WE'RE FOR THAT. THAT'S REVIEWING THE TECHNICAL QUALIFICATIONS.
MY WHOLE GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT BACKGROUND JUST CAME FLASHING BACK TO ME AS A NIGHTMARE.
WHAT THEY'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY, THEIR HISTORY, AND ALL OF THAT.
>> WE'D DO FROILAN, BUT HE'S GOT A FULL TIME JOB.
WELL, SO DOES JIM. [LAUGHTER].
>> HE'S GOT ONE-AND-A-HALF. YOU DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THAT.
[6.4 Election of Chair and Vice-Chair - Annual election of chair and vice chair in accordance with LDC Section 9.01.03.]
ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.>> I MOVE TO KEEP IT THE SAME.
>> YOU NEED TO VOTE. [LAUGHTER]
>> THIRD, FOURTH, AND FIFTH. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH. IT CAN BE BY CONSENSUS.
>> THAT WAS SIMPLE. I DIDN'T WANT TO VOTE NO BECAUSE THEN WE'D HAVE 1 VOTE TONIGHT THAT WASN'T UNANIMOUS.
[LAUGHTER] DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANTED APPROVAL?
>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, JOSE? ANYTHING?
>> ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK IN THE PAST 3 MONTHS.
>> NOTHING LEFT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> OUR BELIEF IN YOU, YOU GOT IT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT PROCESS, FEEL FREE TO CALL UPON ME AND TELL ME.
I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO IMPROVEMENT. LET ME TELL YOU A STORY.
I ASKED FROILAN TO COMMENT ON THE AGENDA, ESPECIALLY THE WELFARE PLAN, AND HE SENT IT BACK TO ME, WHICH IF I HAD COMMENTED BACK TO HIM WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE LAW.
IF I ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING, DO NOT SEND IT BACK TO ME.
SEND IT TO KELLY, AND SHE WILL MAKE THE APPROPRIATE SUNSHINE LAW APPROVED DISTRIBUTION.
>> I MIGHT AS WELL BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I WAS CONFUSED WITH EMAIL SAYING SIGN UP FOR THIS AND WE CAN ALL GET THE SAME INFORMATION, THAT STUFF.
I THOUGHT, WHY I'M GOING TO SIGN UP? BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY A VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE. [OVERLAPPING]
[02:30:04]
>> IT'S A GROUP EMAIL DISTRIBUTION LIST.
>> IT'S A NEW GROUP EMAIL DISTRIBUTION.
>> DO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING? DO WE HAVE TO ACTIVATE IT?
>> YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR IT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SIGN IN, SO THAT YOU CAN BE PART OF IT.
>> WE'VE BEEN MISSING BOARD MEMBERS AND IT JUST NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.