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>> CALLING THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION TO ORDER. AS ALWAYS THE ROLL CALL.
>> HERE. >> PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND VICE-MAYOR STURGES.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.
HAVE A SEAT. SO TODAY WE ARE HERE -- CALLING THIS SPECIAL MEETING TO SPEAK HOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR WHOLE CITY MANAGER SITUATION.
A LOT OF -- A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.
A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD. I AM GLAD THE COMMISSION HAS GOT TOGETHER FOR THIS. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS.
WE WILL WORK ON IT. ON MY AGENDA START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY REQUESTS TO SPEAK OR ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK? NO REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THAT.
WOULD ANYONE IN THE ROOM LIKE TO ISSUE PUBLIC COMMENT.
DID YOU COME TONIGHT TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD?
[5.1 CITY MANAGER PERFORMANCE - This item is placed on the agenda at the request of Commissioner Antun and Commissioner Ross as directed at the December 5, 2023, City Commission Regular Meeting, in accordance with City Commission Rules of Procedure Section 2.2: Special Meetings.]
ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND JUMP DOWN TO 5.1, CITY MANAGER PERFORMANCE. OOH. >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO HEAR WHAT YOU -- SOME OF YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY OF THE MATTER
FOR US TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT.
AT THE END OF THE MEETING WE WILL SEE HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE LEFT. THIS DISCUSSION COULD BE A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND ALSO MIGHT BE SHORT ALONG WITH OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT BUT WE WILL GET READY FOR OUR 6:00 REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AS WELL. THANK YOU, MISS COOK.
DISCUSSION. CITY MANAGER PERFORMANCE.
AND THIS ITEM PLACED WITH COMMISSIONER ANTUN AND COMMISSIONER ROSS. SEEING THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, NOT EXTRA NTHLY WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.
BECAUSE YOU PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, I WILL PUT THE FLOOR FIRST TO COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>>. >> I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK MUCH THIS EVENING. BECAUSE I THINK THE EASIEST THING TO SAY IS I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED IN THE PAST IS IN THE PAST AND I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD AND LIKE TO HEAR HOW YOU PROPOSE TO DO THAT SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR THE
WELL, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ANTUN.
>> WELL, GIVEN THAT, I THINK THERE IS NO SENSE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE. WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS EXTENSIVELY THE CONCERNS BEING WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AT.
I HAVE THREE OPTIONS THAT AT LEAST HAVE BEEN PROPOSED TO ME OR COME TO MIND AS FAR AS HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HOW MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT. OPTION NUMBER ONE IS TO CONTINUE STAYING WITH OUR CURRENT INTERIM CITY MANAGER FOR UP TO A YEAR.
AND THEN REINITIATE THE SEARCH FOR COLIN BAENZINGER AT THE COMPLETION OF AN ELECTION. THE COMMENT SUPPORTING THIS SUGGESTION WAS SUCH THAT THE NEW CITY MANAGER IN SUCH SHORT TIME COULD BE THE TARGET OF AN UPCOMING ELECTION.
OPTION NUMBER TWO, BEGIN SEARCHING FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE A RETAINER FOR THE TERM AND SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH CONSIDERING WHILE MR. GEORGE CONTINUES TO MANAGE OUR CITY. OPTION NUMBER THREE WOULD BE TO DISCUSS CONSIDERATIONS IF WE FEEL THAT MR. GEORGE IS WORTHY OF OUR PERMANENT CITY MANAGER POSITION AND, OF COURSE, HE NEEDS TO BE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT.
IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AS WELL, BUT WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO DISCUSS WHICH ONE OF THOSE WE ARE GOING TO START LEANING
TOWARD. >> CAN YOU REPEAT THE ONE, TWO
AND THREE BECAUSE HARD TO HEAR. >> NUMBER ONE TO CONTINUE WITH MR. GEORGE AS AN INTERIM FOR UP TO A YEAR AND REINITIATE A SEARCH AT THAT TIME AND WHAT MOVES TO TAKE.
OPTION NUMBER TWO, IMMEDIATELY REINITIATE THE SEARCH.
OPTION NUMBER THREE, TO PERMANENTLY PROMOTE MR. GEORGE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER -- NOW THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THAT. I CAN JUMP IN AND GO.
YES, COMMISSIONER ASCUE. >> FOR -- I GUESS POINT OF CLARIFICATION OR POINT OF ORDER, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CITY MANAGER'S RESIGNATION AND THE SEVERANCE PACKAGE OR IS THAT ON A SEPARATE RESOLUTION.
HOW SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT?
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I AM TRYING TO SAY WE SHOULD -- >> SO TY ROSS ESSENTIALLY PROPOSED HIS RESIGNATION IN EXCHANGE FOR WHAT -- WHAT IS PROVIDED TO ALL OF YOU AND I KNOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE IS A SEPARATION AGREEMENT AGREEING TO PAY HIM SIX WEEKS OF SEVERANCE, HIS ROW LOCATION EXPENSES THAT HE BARGAINED FOR WHEN HE SIGNED HIS EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT.
HAND THIS WITH THE SIX WEEKS OF SEVERANCE, THE WAY THAT IS HANDLED INCLUDES -- AND IT ENDS UP BEING, YOU KNOW, ADDED UP SIGNIFICANT IS FICA AND HEALTH BENEFITS.
EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR SOMEBODY, NOT JUST SIX WEEKS OF SALARY. THAT TOTAL AMOUNT IS $50,733.73.
AND SO I THINK THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WILL ACCEPT HIS RESIGNATION ON THOSE TERMS. HE DID SIGN THE AGREEMENT. AND IF THE COMMISSION VOTES TO ACCEPT IT, THEN I WOULD EXPECT THAT IN THE FORM OF A VOTE.
SINCE THERE WERE NO SPEAKERS. POINT OF POINT OF ORDER.
BEFORE YOU TAKE ANY VOTE, MAKE SURE YOU ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO, YES, I WOULD ASK THAT I THINK THE BEST THING IS TO APPROVE OR MODIFY OR DENY THE SEPARATION AGREEMENT AND THEN WHATEVER WE DECIDE ON, IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT OF SOME SORT WITH TY ROSS, THEN WE WOULD PUT THAT ON IN ITS FULL FORM ON THE JANUARY 2 AGENDA, PROBABLY UNDER CONSENT SO THAT THE PUBLIC -- WE DO THIS FREQUENTLY, WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING HERE AND VOTE.
WE USUALLY PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION.
NUMBER IT FOR TRACKING AND PUT IT ON THE FOLLOWING AGENDA, USUALLY CONSENT IF THERE IS DISCUSSION.
IT CAN ALWAYS BE PULLED. IT WILL COME BACK SO EVERYBODY
CAN SEE WHAT WAS SIGNED. >> THANK YOU, MISS BACH.
DO WE HEAR A MOTION OR FURTHER DISCUSSION TO BE HA HAD.
VICE-MAYOR STURGES. >> PARDON ME MAYOR.
I WILL MOVE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE ARE AT THAT STAGE.
I WASN'T UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW TO US WITH THIS SPECIAL MEETING, BUT I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT TY ROSS'S RESIGNATION FOR THE SIX-WEEK SEVERANCE PACKAGE THAT WAS DISCUSSED. I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT.
>> I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. >> I HEAR A MOTION AND SECOND.
NOW DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, A MOTION AND A SECOND. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT? I DO HAVE TWO REQUESTS TO SPEAK.
COME ON OVER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL UP MR.
RICHARD DEAN. >> GOOD EVENING, RICHARD DEAN, 4100 FERNANDINA BEACH. WE ALL WANT TO MOVE ON OPINION.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES HERE WITH SEPARATIONS AND HOW THEY CAN GO AWRY.
BUT TO ME, THE $50,000 PRICE TAG AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE LOADED IN THERE SENDS REALLY THE WRONG SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WENT THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS.
WE DIPPED INTO RESERVES TO MAKE THE BUDGET WORK.
AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO GIVE SOMEBODY A PACKAGE THAT LOOKS -- I AM SORRY, I AM A LITTLE FAT. AND I THINK THE $25,000 TO GIVE HIM WHAT HE NEEDS TO -- THAT IS BASED FOR GETTING HIS LIFE BACK ON TRACK. BUT THE -- THE VACATION AND ALL THIS STUFF, IT JUST LOOKS -- JUST WRONG TO IT THE COMMUNITY.
AND ALSO, I THINK NONE OF THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES -- I KNOW THEY ARE NOT CONTRACT EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY LOOK AT THAT AND, COME ON, I MEAN, THAT -- THEY WOULDN'T BE TREATED THAT WAY IF THEY WERE IN THOSE SHOES. SO I WILL STOP THERE.
>> MISS SHEILA COKEY. >> THANK YOU, SHEILA COKEY, 1523 STREET. I ACCEPT YOUR RESIGNATION OF MR. ROSS AND I APPRECIATE THAT FROM THIS COMMISSION.
I TOOK A LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND I ONLY HAD ISSUE WITH OF TWO THE NUMBERS ON THERE. I BEEN ATTED TO QUESTION THE VACATION ACCRUAL RATE. THE MATH DID NOT ADD UP TO ME.
BECAUSE "ACCRUAL," VACATION ACCRUAL SHOULD NOT BE OVER THE SIX WEEKS OF THE SEVERANCE, IT SHOULD BE OF THE SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS -- HOW MANY WEEKS HERE THAT HE WORKED.
THAT NUMBER LOOKED A LITTLE HIGH TO ME.
AND HAVING NOT MOVED HERE, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS WITH A
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RELOCATION PACKAGE IS THAT SOMEONE MOVES.AND THEN THEY ARE REIMBURSED AN AMOUNT UP TO WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS. HAVING SEEN THAT MR. ROSS DID NOT MOVE HERE. $7500 SEEMS EXCESSIVE.
SO I GET THE CONTRACTUAL PART. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SEPARATION AND WHEN YOU LOSE, LOSE FAST.
I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY, BUT LET'S -- I THINK THAT NUMBER IS A LITTLE SMALLER THAN WHAT WE SAW ON THE PROPOSED PACKAGE.
IF YOU CONSIDER THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU, MISS COKEY. VICE-MAYOR STURGES.
>> WE HAVE RELOCATED. >> I WILL REMEMBER EVERYBODY'S
NAME ON THE BOARD. >> ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT
>> I WILL LET YOU DO THAT. >> IT IS TRUE THAT MOST CITY EMPLOYEES ACCRUE VACATION STARTING OFF FOR ABOUT A WEEK.
FOR THE CHARTER OFFICERS, WE GET OUR VACATION IN A BUCKET ON OCTOBER 1. SO MR. ROSS HAD 120 HOURS OF VACATION TIME ON THE BOOKS THE FIRST DAY HE WAS HERE.
AND THE 96 HOURS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT THAT HE WOULD LEAVE WITH WHETHER HE RESIGNS, GETS FIRED, NO MORE THAN 9 HOURS, COMBINED SECOND VACATION.
>> ALL RIGHT, VICE-MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
>> WELL, CONTINUE, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> THANK YOU. I GUESS THE WAY I PUT IT, THE BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH.
IF THE CITY COMMISSION HAD DECIDED TO FIRE MR. ROSS, TY ROSS FOR CAUSE, THE PACKAGE WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN LARGER.
ELSE'S DECIDED -- HE SIGNED IT. IT IS A DONE DEAL.
OPENING UP THAT IS OPENING UP PANDORA'S BOX, IN MY VIEW.
AND I WOULD JUST RATHER MOVE ON INSTEAD OF QUIBBLING OVER.
AND IT IS -- IT IS A SIGNIFICANT MONEY.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT. IT ISN'T.
BUT I THINK UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I THINK IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON. AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THIS.
AND IT -- IT IS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT THAT IS WHAT HIS CONTRACT CALLED FOR.
IF WE HAD GONE FOR CAUSE, HE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING EVEN MORE. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO ENDORSE THIS. THANKS.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. VICE-MAYOR.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. TAMMY, BRIEFLY WE DISCUSSED SINCE ALL THESE OCCURRENCES. WE HAVE DISCUSSED SOME OF THESE TERMS AND CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS.
AND WOULDN'T WE SUGGEST THAT -- I DON'T THINK OUR CITY HAS EVER
BEEN PUT IN THIS POSITION. >> NO.
>> THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW. >> RIGHT.
>> CORRECT? >> IS HAVING SUCH A SHORT TERM.
>> SHORT TERM AND NOT EXPERIENCE CAN --
>> YEAH. >> BUT CURRENTLY, I BELIEVE, WE SHOULD ADD SOME CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT TERMS LIKE A GRADUATING CONTRACT SO THE NEW CITY MANAGER WHOEVER THAT MAY BE AND PREVIOUS CITY MANAGERS SORT OF OUR POLICY WE SHOULD HAVE A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT, ONCE YOU MAKE IT TO SIX MONTHS, ONCE YOU MAKE IT TO A YEAR, CERTAIN SEVERANCE PACKAGE GOES ALONG WITH IT. I WANT YOU TO KIND OF WORK ON THAT. I AM ASSUMING I WOULD SPEAK TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, BUT I ASSUME THEY WOULD WANT SOME KIND LANGUAGE IN OUR NEXT CONTRACT AGREEMENT THAT SAY IT IS YOU MAKE IT TO 25%. IF YOU MAKE IT TO 50%.
ONCE YOU MAKE IT PAST A PROBATIONARY PERIOD OF A YEAR OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WHATEVER WE DETERMINE, THEN WOULD YOU GET A FULL SEVERANCE PACKAGE IF SOMETHING WAS TO HAPPEN WHETHER WE PART WAYS AM MIABLY OR UNAM MIABLY.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THIS THAT IN OUR CONTRACT.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN A POSITION LIKE THIS, AT LEAST I KNOW OF. ANYWAY, THAT IS MY SUGGESTION ABOUT THAT PART. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE.
COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> MISS BACH, I WANT TO ADD ONE PIECE WHAT MR. ROSS MENTIONED TO ADDRESS MR. DEAN'S COMMENT ABOUT THE LEAVE PERIOD. HOW LONG THEORETICALLY IF THIS IS NOT -- WHAT WE WOULD BE FACING WITH LEAVE AND A
POTENTIAL HEARING? >> WELL, IF MR. ROSS HADN'T RESIGNED VOLUNTARILY, THEN THE TWO OPTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD WERE, ONE, TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WITH CAUSE OR WITHOUT CAUSE, PARDON ME, AS COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID AND THAT WAS 12 WEEKS OF SEVERANCE. AND SO ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS GET BIGGER. THE FICA, THE HEALTH INSURANCE.
ALL OF THAT. I CO-CALCULATE IT TO BE $90,000ISH, JUST A ROUGH CALCULATION.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DOUBLE WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING NOW.
THE OTHER WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROVISION IN THE CONTRACT FOR
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DERELICTION OF DUTIES OR FOR-CAUSE TERMINATION AND THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED THE CITY COMMISSION TO PROVIDE WHICH WOULD HAVE MEANT A PUBLIC MEETING LIKE THIS.IF YOU ALL DECIDE. YOU WOULD WISH TO DETERMINATE THE CITY MANAGER. YOU PROVIDE THE CITY MANAGER WITH NOTICE THAT YOU INTEND TO TERMINATE FOR DERELICTION OF DUTIES. AND THEN THE HEARING IS SET NO LESS THAN 20. NO MORE THAN 40 DAYS AFTER THAT LETTER. SO WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JANUARY, SECOND OR THIRD WEEK IN JANUARY HAVING A HEARING.
AND AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHEN TY ROSS, THE CITY MANAGER, WOULD HAVE HAD THEIR DUE PROCESS, THEIR HEARING, THEIR DAY IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION OR THE PUBLIC AND NO RULES SET UP FOR THAT. THAT WOULD BE QUESTIONS, ANSWERS, DISCUSSION. THEN AT THE END OF THAT MEETING, FOUR OUT OF THE FIVE CITY COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY VOTED TO TERMINATE, YOU WOULD TERMINATE AND NO SEVERANCE, BUT STILL THE 96 HOURS OF VACATION TIME THAT WOULD BE PAID JUST OVER $10,000.
THOSE WERE THE TWO -- THE TWO THINGS WE HAD TO FACE.
AND CERTAINLY -- I MEAN WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE TOWN HAS BEEN THROUGH OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS SINCE THIS CAME OUT.
FROM NOW UNTIL THAT JANUARY TIME, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED ONE ON ONE THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE OF THAT.
WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DRAMA AND THINGS LIKE GOING ON.
SO I THINK THAT MR. TY ROSS RECOGNIZED THAT.
AND SO HE HAS DECIDED TO RESIGN OR PROPOSE RESIGNING.
AND YOU ALL HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT. >> OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE HAVE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS.
ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENTS?
COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> IF YOU COULD CLARIFY ONE THING, TAMMI. EVEN IF WE DO THIS TONIGHT, TY ROSS HAS EIGHT DAYS TO ACCEPT, AM I CORRECT?
>> YES. HE CAN REVOKE HIS SIGNATURE.
IT IS A CONTRACT THINGS IN FLORIDA.
>> RIGHT. >> JUST SO WE ARE ALL CLEAR.
IT PROBABLY IS FINISHED TONIGHT, BUT IT COULD GO ON, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. NEXT TUESDAY IF NO REVOCATION,
THEN IT IS DONE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
OKAY, SO ANY FURTHER COMMISSIONER COMMENT ABOUT THIS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING --
>> QUESTION IS WHETHER TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION PACKAGE AS WRITTEN. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE MOTION RESTATE IS TO ACCEPT THE RECESS NATION AS PRESENTED IN YOUR PACKET.
I WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING I WISH MR. TY ROSS THE BEST FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY AS HE MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS TIME.
WITH THAT, LET'S CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.
WE HAVE ACCEPTED THAT PACKAGE. THANK YOU.
SO NOW WE ARE BACK -- LET'S GO BACK TO THE ITEM AT HAND WHICH IS NOW HOW WILL WE MOVE FORWARD. LET'S GO TO VICE-MAYOR STURGES.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I REALLY WANTED WITH OUR PROCESS PRIOR TO THIS. I THINK CHARLIE DOES A GREAT JOB. AND I THINK WE HAVE A KNOWN ASSET IN CHARLIE GEORGE. I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN STIPULATIONS AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT HE HAS MY VOTE. I WOULD -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM AS THE CITY MANAGER EVEN IF IT IS UNTIL HE DECIDES -- YOU KNOW, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, EVEN A YEAR-TO-YEAR BASIS OR EVEN A -- YOU KNOW, I -- I THINK HE IS THE PLAN FOR THE JOB.
I HAVE COMPLETE AND TOTAL SUPPORT.
AND I UNDERSTAND OR RESPECT HIS OPINION AND HOW HE LEADS IN A GENTLE BUT GODLY FASHION. I THINK THAT HE CAN LEAD US ON FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND THEN WHEN HE IS TIME TO HANG IT UP, THREE TO FIVE YEARS OR LESS, HOWEVER HE PLANS ON UNTIL RETIREMENT, I WOULD ASSUME THAT TIME, WE WOULD GO OUT FOR A SEARCH FOR A NEW CITY MANAGER. HAND THIS WILL GIVE US A STEAY KEEL FOR THE TIME PERIOD AND THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.
WE MAY HAVER WHO OPINIONS AND IDEAS.
AND I AM WELCOME TO HEAR THEM. THANK YOU.
>> OF COURSE, COMMIS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. RIGHT NOW I AM NOT IN ANY POSITION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A PERMANENT DECISION OR EVEN A PERMANENT RECOMMENDATION. I KNOW THAT CHARLIE LAST NIGHT DID A FANTASTIC JOB. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM APPOINTED IN THE INTERIM RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THIS COMMISSION CAN DO.
I THINK COMMISSIONER ANTON BRINGS UP REALLY GOOD SUGGESTIONS. WHEN I LOOK AT IT, COLIN BAENZINGER, THEY ARE GOING TO GIVEN US ANOTHER SHOT OF AT THIS IF THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. CHARLIE WILL HAVE THE
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OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. OF COURSE, THE OTHER SUGGESTION OF THERE BEING A LONGER INTERIM PERIOD TO GET THROUGH THE BUDGET SEASON AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ALL OF THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS, BUT JUST RIGHT -- I AM NOT IN A GOOD POSITION RIGHT NOW TO BE ABLE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN PERMANENTLY.I WOULD LIKE HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS. MR. WILLIAMS FROM -- FROM COLIN BAENZINGER CALLED YESTERDAY. I NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO GET BACK TO HIM. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. CAN WE DEFER THIS SIX MONTHS? WILL THEY ALLOW US TO DEFER THIS A YEAR? DO THEY HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY? THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT I KIND OF WOULD LIKE TO SEE ANSWERED.
AND THEN SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE GOING FORWARD.
BUT I AM CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF HAVING MR. GEORGE IN PRESIDENT INTERIM POSITION RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS ALL SQUARED
AWAY. >> GOOD POINT, COMMI COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. CAN YOU SAY THAT IN THE FORM OF
>> POINT OF ORDER, MAYOR, BEFORE THE MOTOR VEION IS MADE.
THE CHARTER REQUIRES THAT THE CITY MANAGER -- WE WILL DO THIS FORMALLY IN THE SECOND. WE DIDN'T REALLY NEED A PRO TEM.
WILL NOT USE IF ON OUR DOCUMENTS.
WE WILL USE INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
IF YOUR MOTION TO APPOINT A CITY MANAGER PROTEM.
THAT WILL BE GREAT TO USE THAT TERMINOLOGY.
>> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT CHARLIE GEORGE AS THE CITY MANAGER PRO TEM UNTIL SUCH TIME WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE RESOLUTION FOR THE INTERIM.
>> SECOND. >> I HEAR THE MOTION.
I HEAR THE SECOND. A NEW MOTION AND A SECOND NOT ON THE AGENDA. I WILL ASK THE PUBLIC, DO WE WISH TO HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION AT HAND?
MISS COKEY, COME ON DOWN. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN I ASK
COMMISSIONER ROSS -- I ALREADY CALLED HER DOWN.
I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THIS PROCESS.
COMMISSIONER ROSS, GO AHEAD, SIR.
>> CAN CAN YOU EXPLAIN TOO ME AGAIN WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.
I DON'T THINK I GOT IT. >> ALL I AM TRYING TO DO IS COPY WHAT MADAM ATTORNEY IS SAYING WE NEED AN INTERIM CITY MANAGER BEFORE WE APPOINT THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER IN THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. SO WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE -- WE ARE GOING -- WE ARE GOING TO KEEP MR. GEORGE AS A CITY EMPLOYEE, NOT A CHARTER OFFICER. THAT HE WILL BE SERVED AS THE INTERIM OR PRO TEM THAT COMES OUT OF THE CHARTER, THAT WORD TO, INTERIM CITY MANAGER UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY WHEN WE WILL ONCE AGAIN MEET AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING?
>> I AM JUST ASKING WHY WE NEED TO WAIT UNTIL -- WHAT IS IT -- WHAT MORE INFORMATION DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT? BASICALLY THREE OPTIONS HERE. I THINK VERY CAPABILITY COVERED
THE THREE OPTIONS. >> POLICE BACH, CAN YOU -- IF I CAN -- I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH.
COMMISSIONER AYSCUE SAID HE WAS FINE MAKING CHARLIE GEORGE THE
PROTEM IS THE CINNAMON FOR INTERIM.
WE NEED TO TRACK THE CHARTER AND MAKE SURE IT IS IN PLACE SO NO QUESTIONS. APPOINTING CHARLIE GEORGE AS AN INTERIM. BUT -- AND THERE IS A BUT.
YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE AND MR. GEORGE MAY WANT TO HAVE TERMS AND CONDITIONS IN AN AGREEMENT LIKE WE DID CAN MARK FOXWORTH WHAT WE WILL SUGGEST ON JANUARY 2, FORMALIZING THE TERMS OF MR.
GEORGE'S INTERIM STATUS. >> POLICE BACH, TO ASK -- THIS MOTION TONIGHT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS APPOINT MR. GEORGE FORMALLY BY THIS BOARD. APPOINT HIM OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND THE FIRST MEETING OFFICIAL TERMS AND CONDITIONS
THAT MR. GEORGE HAS AGREED TO. >> YES.
>> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> FROM NOW UNTIL THEN HE WILL WILL BE WORKING UNDER HIS
EMPLOYMENT SITUATION. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, DOES THAT
ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS? >> AT THAT MEETING IN JANUARY WE WILL TALK HOW INTERIM INTERIM IS.
SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR. WE WILL TALK ABOUT SALARY AND
AND JUST REMEMBER, EVEN IF WE DO, IF -- AND I AM GOING TO -- I JUST -- I SAID CHARLIE, CAN YOU NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT WITH ME IN THE LAST WEEK, AND HE SAID YES. TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR YOUR
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APPROVAL. HE IS GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME CONDITIONS HE WANTS TO PROPOSE TO THE CITY COMMISSION.SUCH AS, CAN YOU JUST FIRE ME LIKE THAT OUT OF CITY EMPLOYMENT? I MEAN A LOT OF THINGS --
>> I MADE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN BE A CHARTER OFFICER AND
>> PERFECT THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISS BACH.
COMMISSIONER ROSS, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> JANUARY 2 MIGHT ANSWER MORE. >> EXCELLENT.
WHAT I AM ASKING, ARE YOU GOOD? BECAUSE I AM GOING TO CALL
MISS COKIE UP. >> I ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR
AND THEN A QUESTION FROM THE VICE-MAYOR.
>> SEAL HAD SLA COKIE, INI DID GO STREET.
I WILL ASK YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER THE STABILITY.
THIS IS A YEAR OF A LOT OF UPHEAVAL.
AN ELECTION NEXT YEAR THAT WILL BRING MORE UPHEAVAL.
I THINK IT WILL BE PRUDENT TOP THIS GROUP TO CONSIDER -- I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFULNESS OF THINKING OF MR. GEORGE, WHERE HE IS IN HIS CAREER, HOW HE CAN SERVE US AND WE CAN DO AN IN-HOUSE SEARCH THROUGH CITY HUMAN RESOURCESES TO FIND A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER THAT CAN HELP CHARLIE AND LEARN THE CITY TO GROW. WHEN CHARLIE RETIRES WE WILL HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH OUR CITY THAT WILL BE THE RECRUITING GROUND FOR OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER.
I THINK OUR CITY DESERVES THAT STABILITY AND LONGEVITY.
>> THANK YOU, POLICE COKIE. I SEE THE VICE-MAYOR PUT IN A REQUEST TO SPEAK. VICE-MAYOR, COMING DOWN, I KNOW
OFF QUESTION FOR MISS BACH. >> TAMMY, MY REQUEST QUESTION IS -- AND I WANT TO KNOW BEFORE THE JANUARY -- I AM NOT AFRAID TO GO OUT TO COLIN BAENZINGER AND ALL THE REST -- I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT THAT DARREN BROUGHT UP, BUT MY QUESTION IS TWO PHASED AND I KIND OF WANT TO YOU RESEARCH IT AND FIGURE OUT THE ANSWERS FROM COLIN BAENZINGER. NUMBER ONE, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE A WARRANTY FOR AN ADDITIONAL SEARCH FOR WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO DO. AND NUMBER TWO, MOSTLY THAT IS THE MAJOR QUESTION. NUMBER TWO, WHAT QUALITIES AND GUARANTEES ARE THEY GOING TO GIVE US, BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED.
>> MY THOUGHT -- JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE BECAUSE NOBODY HAS ASKED ME TO CONTACT COLIN BAENZINGER.
I HEARD THAT COLIN BAENZINGER HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF YOU. I WOULD THINK THAT ALTHOUGH WE KNOW FROM THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT THAT WE DID EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH THEM THAT THEY PROVIDE A ONE-YEAR IT WAS RAN TEE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS SPELLED OUT.
SO THEY PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE US SOME PROPOSAL ON HOW THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO HONOR THAT WARRANTY.
AND THAT YOU ALL CAN CONSIDER IN JANUARY.
IF YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IT IN JANUARY, EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT SAYS, WE WILL HOLD THIS -- JUST LIKE YOU ARE HOLDING PRICES OR WHATEVER. WANT TO KNOW IF THEY ARE -- NOT JUST VERBALLY BUT IN WRITING IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES AN OPTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION AND THE BUDGET IS DONE, SO BASICALLY A YEAR FROM NOW IS -- IS COLIN BAENZINGER WILLING TO WAIT FOR THE CITY TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR ANOTHER SEARCH UNDER THAT WARRANTY.
>> TAMMY, THAT IS MY EXACT QUESTION.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.
>> I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING IN WRITING FOR US IF
THAT IS OKAY WITH YOU. >> THAT IS PERFECT.
THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR. TWO LIGHTS ON.
VICE-MAYOR BEFORE YOU COME DOWN, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? >> I DO.
ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES OF COLIN BAENZINGER WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE -- ABOUT A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER IS I THINK THEY WILL BE WILLING TO DO THAT SEARCH IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING A FULL SEARCH FOR ANOTHER CITY MANAGER. THAT IS ANOTHER POSSIBILITY TOO.
IF YOU CAN EXPLORE THAT WITH THEM, TAMMY, WHEN YOU --
>> EXCELLENT IDEA, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
AND FRANKLY, I WOULD AGREE THAT -- IF WE ARE GOING TO EXPLORE FOR A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, I WANT TO EXPLORE IN-HOUSE OPTIONS. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY AND I DON'T WANT TO LOOK ANYBODY EVERY IF WE ARE GOING TO PICK SOMEONE TO BE NEXT IN LINE FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
COMMISSIONER ROSS, I THINK YOU HAVE BOTH LIGHTS ON.
ON EITHER SIDE -- >> NO, I THINK YOUR -- I COULD
>> IT'S ON. >> YOU HAVE BOTH OF THEM ON.
>> HOW DID THAT COME ON? [LAUGHTER]
I THINK I WENT TO THAT ONE. >> IS THAT ONE YOURS RIGHT
>> THAT IS MINE? >> IT HAS YOUR SWITCH LABELED.
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>> ARE WE GOOD? THEN ONE OF YOU GUYS --
COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> WE WERE TALKING OF THE WARRANTY. I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
FOUR VAGUE TERMS. ONE IS NOT APPROACHING A CANDIDATE FOR ANOTHER POSITION. ONE IS THE ONE-YEAR WARRANTY.
ONE IS IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED THEY WILL REPEAT THE SEARCH PERIOD. BROUGHT US CANDIDATES AND WE DIDN'T PICK ONE OF THE LAST ONES.
I THINK IT DOES REQUIRE US TO REACH OUT.
MR. WILLIAMS, I SPOKE TO HIM ON THE PHONE TODAY AND HE SAID THEY ARE EAGER TO SEE THE END OF THIS MEETING AND SEAT RESULTS AND WHAT THEIR DIRECTION WILL BE. SO, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
>> ALL RIGHT. JUST TO KEEP IN MIND THE MOTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS THE ONE TO OFFICIALLY MAKE CHARLIE CHARGE THE NEXT INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
NOW WE BRING UP VICE- VICE-MAYOR LEN KRIEGER TO THE
PODIUM. >> LEN KRIEGER, 1313 HICKORY.
THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF DEALING WITH MAJOR RESILIENCY RENOURISHMENT HARMONIZATION ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
WHAT YOU HAVE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
WE ARE INTO A YEAR OF KIND OF TURMOIL.
I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE ME AND I WAS IN CHARLIE'S SHOES, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT SOME KIND OF POSITIVE ENDORSEMENT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOOD UNTIL JANUARY. I THINK -- I THINK WHEN YOU MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, JUST MAKE HIM CITY MANAGER.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND ALL.
THEN YOU CAN DEAL WITH HIS PERFORMANCE -- WHERE HIS PERFORMANCE IS AT. I THINK AS THIS GETS PROLONGED AND YOU KEEP DOING THIS MORE. WE HAVE A RELATIVELY INEXPERIENCED COMMISSION, AND WE NEED -- AS FAR AS YEARS ARE CONCERNED. WE NEED -- WE NEED SOMEBODY WITH SOME CONTINUITY. I THINK CHARLIE COULD DO THE JOB. SO I -- I THINK YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, STROKE HIM AND GIVE HIM THE JOB.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
ALL RIGHT, TAMMY, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO JUST A CLARIFY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS VERY CLEAR.
THAT WITH THIS VOTE RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE MOTION THAT WAS
>> THIS DOES MAKE CHARLIE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER UNTIL JANUARY. BECAUSE THE INTERIM CITY
MANAGER, THAT'S CORRECT? >> IT WOULD GO BEYOND THAT.
JANUARY 2, I WOULD LET YOU GUYS -- EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT YET OR SOMETHING ELSE CAME UP WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. HE WOULD STILL BE THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER UNTIL MU REMOVE HIM.
>> GOT IT. WE ARE MAKING HIM THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER INDEFINITELY. THE ONLY REASON WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER VOTE IS CHARLIE WILL WANT TO HAVE TERMS AND
>> SOME CERTAINTY HOW LONG IT WILL LAST.
>> OF COURSE. WE WILL HAVE A CONTRACT IN JANUARY. BUT RIGHT NOW, IT IS PRUDENT THAT WE FORMALIZE THIS. MISS BACH THANK YOU.
A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE ONE MORE ASK TO SPEAK
FROM COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER POSITION IS AS AN EMPLOYEE AND NOT AS AN OFFICER
BECAUSE THERE ARE RAMIFICATIONS. >> I UNDERSTAND, YES.
WE WILL ADDRESS NAH THAT IN THE CONTRACT WITH THE HIRING, FIRING. THE CITY COMMISSION IS IN MY -- IN MY VIEW OF THE CHARTER IS IN ENTITLED TO HAVE A PERSON THAT IS NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY CLERK THAT YOU ALL CONTROL AND DIRECT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT ANY OTHER CITY STAFF. SO WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT EXTREMELY CLEAR. BRIGHT NOW HE IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY AND IF THAT CHANGES, I WILL HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THAT MORE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS PROTECTED. RIGHT NOW IF -- CHARLIE DOES SOMETHING -- [BEEPING] -- I AM DONE TALKING.
[LAUGHTER] IF CHARLIE DOES SOMETHING NOT GOOD, THAT YOU ALL DON'T WANT HIM TO BE THE INTERIM ANY LONGER, THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY APPOINT SOMEBODY ELSE TO BE THE INTERIM.
WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN FIRE HIM, THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION I HAVEN'T ANSWERED. I WILL HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT IN OUR ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS.
>> SO YOU -- WE PROBABLY CAN'T FIRE HIM BUT DEMOTE HIM BACK --
>> YOU CAN PREMOVE HIM FROM YOUR PERSON.
>> HE BECOMES OF BECOMES THE ENGINEER.
>> HE BECOMES THE ENGINEER AND YOU APPOINT SOMEBODY ELSE.
RIGHT NOW IF YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THIS MOTION, HE WILL BE YOUR
PERSON. >> HE STEP INTO THE SHOES OF THE CITY MANAGER, BUT STILL AS AN EMPLOYEE?
>> YES. THAT'S HOW I AM SEEING IT RIGHT NOW. YEP -- YES.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY YEP. IT IS INFORMAL AND NOT NICE.
>> YOU ARE EXCUSED. >> I HAVE TO DO IT EVERY DAY
COMMISSIONER ROSS, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE.
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I PERSONAL ME AM LOOKING VERY FORWARD TO HAVE CHARLIE GEORGE BACK. CHARLIE, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB FOR US IN THE PAST AND THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO DO THIS AGAIN FOR US IN THE FUTURE.AND WITH THAT, LET'S CALL THE VOTE.
>> COULD YOU STATE THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME SO WE ARE ALL
CRYSTAL CLEAR? >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
IN CASE -- IN CASE YOU LOST TRACK BACK HOME, THIS IS A VOTE TO MAKE CHARLIE OUR OFFICIAL INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
ON PAPER WE ARE CALLING IT THE PROTEM CITY MANAGER.
THIS MAKES CHARLIE GEORGE OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
YES VOTE DOES THAT. MISS BEST, GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU, WELCOME BACK MR. GEORGE.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, WHAT ELSE SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT DO YOU HAVE
COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO -- TO MAKE -- POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO MAKE MR. GEORGE THE PERMANENT CITY MANAGER.
DOES THE CHARTER NOT STATE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? IS THAT NOT CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT?
OR -- >>I -- I HAVEN'T CHECKED IT SINCE WE TALKED TODAY, M MR. AYSCUE.
I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. >>THE ANSWER IS YES.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. THE MORE NUANCED ANSWER IS THAT I THINK WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF APPLICANTS HERE.
AND WE ARE STILL IN THE SAME PROCESS.
DEPENDS HOW YOU WANT TO INTERPRET IT.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST -- I DON'T WANT -- IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF THE COMMISSION WAS GOING TO GO, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE CHARTER. THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP.
>> WE STILL HAVEN'T REALLY FILLED THE SLOT -- WE HAD LOTS
OF APPLICANTS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AGAIN, TRYING TO STAY WITHIN THE CHARTER?
>> SURE. >> ASKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT COLIN BAENZINGER CAN -- NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE START THAT IN A WEEK. NO, YOU CAN START THAT WITHIN A YEAR. ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CHARLES LEAVE AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROCESS. I NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING THE PROCESS CORRECTLY AND WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW THAT LOOKS GOING FORWARD BEFORE I CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO SAY WE WILL GO WITH COMMISSIONER ANTUN'S ONE, TWO AND THREE.
THAT'S WHERE I'M. THE ONLY REASON I WANT TO STATE IT. I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE IN MR. GEORGE BEING ABLE TO DO THE JOB. HIM AND STAFF TOOK US THROUGH A GREAT BUDGET SEASON LAST YEAR. I THOUGHT THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB. JUST AWESOME.
I HAVE FULL CONFIDENCE. I LIKE A LOT OF THE IDEAS THAT DEPUTY, CITY MANAGERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
ALL OF THESE ARE GREAT IDEAS, I AM JUST NOT IN THE POSITION TONIGHT TO MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL SOME MORE INFORMATION.
I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT STATEMENT.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. A POINT WELL TAKEN.
AND I ECHO THAT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO RUSH -- WE DON'T NEED TO RUSH BEFORE WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION BUT I WILL ECHO WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND YOU JUST SAID.
I HAVE FULL FAITH OF CHARLIE GEORGE AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER AND LOOK FORWARD TO HIS SERVICE TO THE CITY.
COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> ONE OTHER LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION WE NEED TO GLEAN. AND THAT WOULD BE CHARLIE GEORGE HAS WANT TO BE THE -- WANT TO BE THE CITY MANAGER GOING FORWARD AS A CHARTER OFFICER OPPOSED TO BEING AN INTERIM EMPLOYEE WHO IS KIND OF GUARANTEED A JOB. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE --
>> THAT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT. >>.
>> I THINK WE -- I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT THAT IS FOR
WELL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> ONE OTHER NUANCE, SINCE WE ARE BRINGING UP ALL THOSE THINGS IS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY MANAGER TO LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE TO -- HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OF THINGS.
SO JUST -- AGAIN, MORE -- MORE DISCUSSIONS THAT I NEED TO HAVE WITH CHARLIE AND WITH STAFF JUST PERSONALLY BEFORE I AM COMFORTABLE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
>> OF COURSE. THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL.
JUST TO FILL EVERYBODY IN. RIGHT NOW IN OUR CITY'S CHARTER DOES SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
SOMETHING THAT SHOULD REMAIN? THAT IS WHAT COMMISSIONER AYSCUE ASKING. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER DOES NOT.
>> AND SO THAT IS THAT. WE DISCUSSED -- I THINK EVERYONE ON OUR AGENDA. ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT WE WISH TO
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DISCUSS? WE HAVE 20 MORE MINUTES.I HAVE ONE. I WAS GOING TO USE IT DURING MY MAYORAL COMMENTS AS THE MAYOR. I WANT EVERYBODY COMPLETES THEIR END OF THE YEAR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS.
CAROLINE SENT OUT AN E-MAIL -- MISS BEST SENT OUT AN E-MAIL ABOUT THAT. BUT PLEASE WITHIN THE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY, SET UP A TIME WITH EITHER CHARTER OFFICERS. YOU CAN DO CHARLIE IF YOU WANT.
HE TECHNICALLY AS COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS.ED OUT, CITY EMPLOYEE.
BUT SET UP TIME WITH MISS BEST AND MISS BACH TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY DID IN GEE. SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO DO DISCUSS IT IN JANUARY.
TWO WAYS TO DO IT WRITTEN AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD OR DO IT VERBAL. THAT WILL BE BETWEEN YOU AND THE
CHARTER OFFICER. >> I ALREADY DONE TWO OF THEM.
>> EXCELLENT. COMMISSIONER ROSS IS AHEAD OF THE CURVE. WE WILL BE READY AT THE TOP.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT IN JARN AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE A CHANCE DO THAT FIRST.
OKAY. WITH NOTHING ELSE ON THE -- THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS FOR BEING AHEAD OF THE CURVE.
WITH NOTHING ELSE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, WE WILL ADJOURN AND COME RIGHT BACK FOR OUR 6:00 REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.