[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
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>> CALL TO ORDER THIS MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING.
THIS IS NOVEMBER 16TH, AND IT'S 5:00 PM, AND IT'S DUE, PLEASE. [INAUDIBLE] CALL THE ROLL.
>> HERE. NOW, IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
I DON'T NEED TO SEE ANYBODY TONIGHT.
OR WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WHO HAS TO RECUSE AS A RESULT ANY CASES, CORRECT?
>> OF COURSE. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS DISCUSSION [INAUDIBLE] . THAT'S WHAT I FORGOT.
OBVIOUSLY, MS. KOSACK WILL BE RECUSED FROM THAT ITEM, AND WE'LL SEE ARLENE FILL UP FOR THAT ITEM.
>> ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE, MS. FILKOFF IS SEATED FOR ITEM NUMBER 7.
I'M GOING TO START WITH ARLENE AND ASK IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY NEED TO DISCLOSE.
>> I SPOKE TO THE CITY ENGINEER, MR. GEORGE, AND I SPOKE TO JAKE IN THE CITY. THAT'S IT.
>> JUST LIKE ARLENE, I SPOKE WITH JAKE PLATT WITH THE CITY AND I ALSO SPOKE WITH KELLY GIBSON WITH THE CITY.
>> I'VE PRETTY MUCH, TALKED TO EVERY STAFF PERSON IN THE CITY THIS WEEK REGARDING THESE CASES, CHARLIE, JEREMIAH, JACOB, CATHERINE, KELLY, AND JACOB.
DO I NEED TO SPECIFY THE CASES, COUNCIL?
>> IT WOULD BE HELPFUL? I SPOKE WITH THEM REGARDING: LET'S SEE.
CASE [NOISE] 99, CASE 100, CASE 101, CASE 103, CASE 106, AND CASE 102.
I COULD HAVE JUST SAID ALL OF THEM.
>> I SPOKE WITH JAKE, ON CASE 106 AND STAFF ON MY CASE.
>> WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? [INAUDIBLE]
>> I SPOKE WITH JAKE REGARDING 106, AND I SPOKE WITH KELLY ABOUT 99.
>> COUNCIL, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY VARIANCES TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE DISCUSS THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES.
>> YOU HAVE SEVERAL CASES ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
EACH ONE, YOU WILL BE CONDUCTING A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING TO TAKE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE, DELIBERATE, MAKE A DECISION.
IN EACH CASE, FIRST CITY STAFF, MS. GIBSON, WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD.
BY THE RECORD, THE CITY IS KEEPING AN AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDING OF THE PROCEEDINGS, BUT THERE IS NO COURT REPORTER AND NO TRANSCRIPT BEING TRANSCRIBED THIS EVENING.
AFTER CITY STAFF MAKES A PRESENTATION, INTRODUCES EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD, THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER AND OR THEIR AGENT WILL COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD.
AFTER THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THEIR AGENT MAKES PRESENTATION, INTRODUCES EVIDENCE THEN THE CHAIR WILL CALL ANY AFFECTED PARTIES TO TESTIFY WHICH MEANS THAT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A NEIGHBOR TO BE AN AFFECTED PARTY UNDER OUR CODE.
IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS AN AFFECTED PARTY.
YOU'RE NOT LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GET TO SPEAK.
YOU ARE ALSO PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IN THE RECORD.
THE PARTIES IN THE CASE WHEN WE SAY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, THOSE ARE COMMUNICATIONS WITHOUT THE OTHER PARTY PRESENT.
THE PARTIES ARE THE CITY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE AFFECTED PARTIES, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CLASS, BUT YOU ARE TREATED THE SAME IN THE HEARINGS AND WHAT I MEAN, BESIDES INTRODUCING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IN THE RECORD, YOU'RE ALSO ALLOWED TO CROSS-EXAMINE BOTH THE PARTIES,
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CITY PROPERTY OWNER, AND AFFECTED PARTIES ARE ALLOWED TO CROSS-EXAMINE AND CALL WITNESSES.BY CROSS-EXAMINE, I MEAN, A RESIDENT WHO COMES UP, IDENTIFIES YOURSELF AS AN INDEPENDENT PARTY.
YOU COULD ASK CITY STAFF QUESTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE YOU'RE HERE AT THE PODIUM.
AFTER AFFECTED PARTIES ARE FINISHED PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY, DURING ANY PART OF THE TESTIMONY, THE BOARD MEMBERS CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CITY, OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S AGENT, OR AFFECTED PARTIES OR WITNESSES.
AFTER ALL OF THAT IS DONE, THE CHAIR WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THAT TIME, THE BOARD MAY STILL ASK QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF OR THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THEIR AGENT, AND IF IT'S UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER OR NOT IF AFFECTED PARTIES ARE SAYING, "I HAVE MORE TO SAY." IT'S UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER OR NOT YOU DECIDE TO CALL THEM BACK.
AFTER ALL OF THE EVIDENCE, YOU ALL WILL DELIBERATE AND MAKE YOUR DECISION.
YOU SAID THERE'S NO VARIANCES.
>> A MOTION PASSES WITH THREE VOTES.
THREE OUT OF THE FIVE VOTING MEMBERS CAN PASS A MOTION TO APPROVE, DENY, MODIFY.
>> THERE'S SO MANY, BUT IT'S OKAY.
>> IF ANYBODY MAKES AN APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT COURT, THOSE APPEALS THAT GO STRAIGHT TO COURT, NOT TO THE CITY COMMISSION ANY LONGER, AND THAT HAS TO BE FILED WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE BOARD'S WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT.
THE CHAIR USUALLY SIGNS THOSE WITHIN THREE TO FIVE BUSINESS DAYS.
ABOUT 35 DAYS, THAT'S THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS.
THERE'S NO RIGHT TO APPEAL AFTER THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ASK THAT ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY THIS EVENING WITH REGARDS TO OUR SEVEN CASES WOULD PLEASE RISE AND BE SWORN IN. THAT INCLUDES STAFF.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND, OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU ALL. WE WILL PROCEED.
BOARD MEMBERS, HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
THE MINUTES OR DO YOU HAVE ANY CHANGES?>> REVIEWED. NO COMMENTS FROM ME.
>> ARLENE, WE GOOD? SOMEBODY MOVE THOSE, PLEASE.
>> [OVERLAPPING]. MEMBER KOSACK, SECONDED ESCLUSA, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. [NOISE].
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS.
[5.1 HDC 2023-0098 - SALTY AF POOLS, AGENT FOR STEVE SKIDMORE, 327 N. 4TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to install a swimming pool. (Quasi-Judicial)]
SO WE WILL START WITH 2023-0098 SKIDMORE, 327 NORTH 4TH STREET.>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD ALL THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN RECEIVED, ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, AND ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID.
WE WILL MAKE THE STAFF REPORT AND BACKUP MATERIALS PART OF THE RECORD FOR THIS EVENING'S HEARING.
THIS EVENING, THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 327 NORTH 4TH STREET IS INTERESTED IN REPLACING AN EXISTING SPA WITH A 10 BY 20 POOL.
THE INTENT IS TO KEEP ALL OF THE EXISTING TILE, BRICK WALKWAYS THE SAME AS THEY ARE.
JUST CHANGING THE SHAPE OF IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW POOL LOCATION.
THE STAFF REPORT HAS BEEN EVALUATED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE OF SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE HAVE FOUND THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH ALL OF THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS AND STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
I KNOW REAL QUICKLY IN THE PAST, SOME QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE BOARD, ASSOCIATED WITH LIGHTING FOR POOLS AND THE LIGHTING PACKAGE HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR YOUR REVIEW AS PART OF THE MATERIALS.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR GIBSON?
>> I HAVE JUST A CLARIFICATION, MS. GIBSON.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SAYS THAT THE IMPERVIOUS AREA REMAINS AT 57, BUT THE CALCULATIONS IN THE DRAWING SAY 60 PERCENT.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT EVEN 60 PERCENT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.
>> ON YOUR POINT, FROILAN, I SAW THAT TOO.
IT SAYS COVERAGE IS 60.43, SO I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT AGAIN.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN DO A TINY REDUCTION TO GET IT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF 60 PERCENT BEING THE MAXIMUM? JUST SAYING THAT AS A SEGUE. DIRECTOR?
>> WE HAD ANALYZED THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT, AND BASED ON HOW WE ALLOW FOR PAVER'S SET AND SAND, WE CALCULATED NOT AS IMPERVIOUS IT STILL REMAINS AT 57 PERCENT AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO CALCULATIONS THAT YOU'RE FINDING.
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>> THE REASON THIS FITS ON THIS LOT IS BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG LOT.
WE APPROVED HIS HOUSE A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE SIZE OF THIS LOT.
IT'S AT LEAST 100 ON THE 4TH STREET SIDE?
>> IT'S A 50 BY 100-FOOT LOT ON THE DATE STREET SIDE.
THERE IS A PORTION OF THE LOT ON THE 5TH STREET SIDE.
NO, 4TH STREET SIDE, NORTH 4TH STREET SIDE.
THAT IS A 25 BY 100 FOOT LOT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE FOLKS NEXT TO JASON BUILT A LITTLE HOUSE NEXT TO IT, RIGHT?
>> THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH ROOM FOR THIS 10 BY 20 POOL ON THIS PROPERTY?
>> I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING, BUT I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT FOR THE APPLICANT.
I'M SURE TAMMI HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
HEARING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE DIRECTOR, I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT, WHOEVER THAT IS.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, NAME, AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> STEVEN SKIDMORE, 327 NORTH 4TH STREET.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, STEVEN.
>> I THINK THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS ABOUT THE LIGHTING.
THE LIGHTING PACKAGES PROVIDED JUST SHOW US THE POOL LIGHTING.
YOU'RE NOT ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR LIGHTING WITH THIS PACKAGE, ARE YOU?
>> OKAY. I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT MOST FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS LIGHTS SPILLING OVER INTO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S YARDS.
>> I HAVE ONE, DAN. I DIDN'T SEE ON THE SITE PLAN WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE LOCATED AND IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF SCREEN TO GO AROUND IT.
>> ON THE LOT WE HAD PUT AN OUTDOOR SHOWER AND IT'S IN A WOODEN ENCLOSURE.
SO IT WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN SIDE OF THAT AREA.
>> IS THAT THE AREA THAT'S BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AROUND THE HOUSE [OVERLAPPING]?
>> IT'S ADJACENT TO IT, IT'S LIKE ATTACHED TO THE GARAGE.
>> SO THE EQUIPMENT'S GOING IN WHERE THE URINAL AND THE SHOWER IS?
>> IT'S GOING INSIDE THAT? OKAY. YOUR PROPERTY IS WELL FENCED SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANY OF YOUR FENCING AROUND THE POOL BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN ENCLOSED, SO YOU LEAVE EVERYTHING THERE.
>> STEVE, WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THE POOL?
>> I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE FIVE FEET THAT THE DEEPEST MIGHT BE FIVE-AND-A-HALF.
IF IT'S SPECIFIED ON THE PLAN I'M NOT SURE.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT DETAIL WAS CORRECT.
>> I THINK IT'S LIKE FIVE, FIVE-AND-A-HALF AT THE DEEPEST PART.
>> THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE ALARMS IN IT NOW IN CASE THERE WAS AN ACCIDENTAL OR A FALL.
>> CORRECT, THE THING SITS IN THE SWIMMING POOL IN IT.
>> SO THAT'S AN ADDITION TO THE FENCE? BECAUSE WHEN THAT LONG DOES IT HAVE.
>> SO IF A SMALL CHILD FALLS IN THEY HAVE AN ALARM THAT GOES OFF IF ITS UNMONITORED.
>> ALL THE LITTLE SKIDMORE BRANCH, BABIES THAT COME UP WITH SPRING BREAK.
>> WE'LL TEACH THEM HOW TO SWIM.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SKIDMORE? THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY WITH REGARDS TO THE CASE 2023-0098 327 NORTH 4TH STREET? SEEING NO ONE SITTINGS THERE. THANK YOU.
>> SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOVING TO BOARD DISCUSSION, BOARD MEMBERS WHAT'S YOUR PRIVILEGE?
>> I'VE GOT A MOVE TO APPROVE IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION I'LL ENTERTAIN A SECOND.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT LISA SARAH MADE ONCE WHICH WAS I THOUGHT BRILLIANT.
WHEN WE ASKED HER ABOUT LIGHTING FOR THEIR POOL UP IN OLD TOWN, SHE SAID, "WE'LL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.'' I THINK THAT'S ALL WE EVER ASK OF OUR NEIGHBORS IS JUST BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.
SO IF WE COULD FOLLOW ON THAT STEVE, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE PRETTY HAPPY.
>> THE LIGHTING PACKAGE WAS ONLY ALARMING WHEN I GOT TO THE PROGRAM THAT WAS CALLED MARDI GRAS OR FLAMINGO.
>> BUT THAT'S IN THE POOL, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S IN THE POOL. IT'S NOT ON THE WALL.
IN THAT CASE WE HAVE A MOTION BY POYNTER AND A SECOND BY ESCLUSA.
AND MS. SYLVIA WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL IT? I MEANT YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ THE MOTION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I MOVED TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2023-0098 WITHOUT CONDITION AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE
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THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AS PART OF THE RECORD.AT THE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0098 HAS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THEIR COVENANTS PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO MARK FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES AND IF YOU ALL WOULD DO WHAT I JUST DID, SILENCE YOUR PHONE.
SURE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. MOVING ON TO CASE 2023-0099.
[5.2 HDC 2023-0099 - NOCCA CONTRACTING LLC, AGENT FOR ASHLEY & COREY FURMAN, 103 N. 6TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 1-story addition. (Quasi-Judicial)]
THIS IS AGENT FOR ASHLEY AND COREY FURMAN AND THE ONE OUT OF 103 NORTH 6TH STREET AND OF COURSE THIS IS THE HEARTH HOUSE.A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC STRUCTURE IN OUR COMMUNITY DESIGNED BY ROBERT SCHULLER.
THEY CALL IT HALF A HOUSE IN OUR MATERIALS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR?
>> YEAH, I SAW THAT NOTE THAT IT WAS CALLED HALF A HOUSE ANTICIPATING THAT THERE WOULD BE A FUTURE HALF CREATED.
>> RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] BUILT 1880?
>> YEAH, ESTIMATED 1880 I BELIEVE.
SO THIS EVENING THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING A CASE AT 103 NORTH 6TH STREET.
IT SAYS HDC CASE 2023-0099 AND THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN PAID FOR, ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND THE STAFF REPORT AND ALL APPLICATION MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED AS PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE CASE THIS EVENING.
THIS EVENING, THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A ONE STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WITH A DESIGN VISION TO MATCH THE CURRENT HOUSE.
THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS ESTIMATED TO BE JUST OVER 19 FEET, CLOSE TO 20 FEET, WITH A FOOTPRINT OF 654 SQUARE FEET.
IT IS DESIGNED TO MEET ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SETBACKS.
HOWEVER, UNDER THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDANCE THERE IS PROVISION THAT IN ADDITION TO A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SUCH AS THIS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BE LOCATED TO THE SIDE OR REAR.
IN THIS CASE COMPLIANCE WITH THAT GUIDELINE COULD NOT BE ACHIEVED BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING AMENITIES THAT ARE PROVIDED.
IN PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEW POOL THAT WAS APPROVED WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
SO THERE'S NO OTHER SPACE EXCEPT TO PUT IT ON THAT FRONT ELEVATION ON NORTH 6TH STREET.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE GRAPHIC PROVIDED, BUT ALSO IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS OR ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
YOU'LL SEE THE INTENT THERE IS TO MATCH THE SAME MATERIALS THAT YOU WOULD FIND ON THE ORIGINAL SCHULLER STRUCTURE AND AGAIN IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT STRUCTURE THAT IS NOTEWORTHY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
BUT THE INTENT TO DESIGN CONSISTENT WITH THAT ALTHOUGH I THINK COMING FROM A PLACE OF WANTING TO HONOR IT, UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR GUIDANCE FOR REHABILITATION AND RESTORATION OF STRUCTURES.
IT DOES INDICATE THAT WE SHOULD DIFFERENTIATE NEW IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THIS.
HOW WE DO THAT CAN COME IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND SO STAFF IS LOOKING TO THE BOARD TO PROVIDE SOME SUGGESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE SOME ALTERNATIVES AFTER IF THE FINDING WAS RELEASED WITH THE STAFF REPORT LAST WEEK THAT THEY MAY WISH TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THIS CASE BECAUSE IT IS REQUESTING TO REALLY NEAR THE CURRENT DESIGN, WE DO HAVE TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL FOR THAT REASON.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, KELLY.
DID I SEE IN THE APPLICATION THAT THERE HAD BEEN A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH STAFF AT SOME POINT?
>> AND DO WE KNOW THE RESULTS OF THAT MEETING AND THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WERE GIVEN?
>> I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL DESIGN REVISIONS PROVIDED BEFORE THIS ONE CAME AT ME.
SO I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN REVISED AT LEAST ONE TIME PRIOR.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR?
>> THE DIRECTOR AND I DISCOVERED IN SOME LITERATURE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY TODAY THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED WITH THE INTENTION THAT THERE WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE NORTH SIDE.
SO WHEN YOU STAY IN AND YOU LOOK AT IT, DIRECTOR, PERHAPS YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE HALF A HOUSE, IT PRESENTS US HALF A HOUSE.
THEY NEVER BUILT THE ADDITION SO HERE WE ARE NOW I GUESS, BUILDING THE ADDITION.
>> I THINK ORIGINALLY, WASN'T IT A MIRROR IMAGE OF THIS?
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I THOUGHT THE ORIGINAL PLANS WERE FOUND AND THE INTENT WAS TO MIRROR IT, SO THAT'S ALMOST LIKE THE CUT IN HALF.>> [OVERLAPPING] ANYBODY HISTORIC?
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT IS CHALLENGING BECAUSE IT CREATED A FLAT FACADE OF THAT SIDE.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NORTH 6TH.
THE HOUSE PRESENTS ITSELF TO NORTH 6TH EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THEIR CORNER.
>> NO BUT WHAT I MEAN IS THE FACADE WHERE THE ADDITION WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT IS COMPLETELY FLAT, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THESE CORNER.
>> I SEE. I SEARCHED IT. VERY IMPORTANT HOUSE AND SCHULLER POPPING UP A LOT THESE DAYS ESPECIALLY AS THE RENOVATIONS, THE [INAUDIBLE] GO AND GO FORWARD.
>> KELLY, SO IN THE MEETING DID THEY ON THE ALTERNATIVES? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TRYING NOT TO CONFUSE A OLD HOUSE AND MAKING IT LOOK LIKE NOW.
>> I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT WAS A POINT OF DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
>> I THINK TIM, YOU'RE DEAD ON HERE.
WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND EVERY TIME WE DEAL WITH THIS SORT OF PROBLEM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT CONFUSING.
IT FITS TOGETHER BUT NOT SO WELL THAT YOU CAN'T TELL WHICH IS WHICH.
I'LL NOTE THAT THIS HOUSE HAS SOME REAL INTERESTING SITING.
THERE'S NOVELTY UP AND LAUGH DOWN.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL BEEN LAID OVER THE ORIGINAL SITE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WINDOW REVEAL LEFT WHICH IS FASCINATING.
IF FOLKS ARE IN AGREEMENT I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE AGENT FOR THE FURMANS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU COME UP IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> YOU'VE BEEN HERE HAVEN'T YOU?
>> ONCE OR TWICE. MY NAME IS AARON SWEAT, 85105 WESLEY ROAD YULEE FLORIDA.
WE HAD MET WITH SAL ABOUT THE PROJECT.
ORIGINALLY HE CAME BACK WITH NOTES STATING ON OUR PLANS THAT WERE MISSING.
ITEMS LIKE WHAT KIND OF SIDING WE'RE GOING WITH AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
HE READ NOTED OUR PLANS AND SENT IT OVER TO US.
I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THOSE COPIES WITH ME TONIGHT.
WE'VE MADE THOSE REVISIONS AND THAT'S WHY WE RE-SUBMITTED IT THE WAY THAT YOU ARE SEEING IT NOW.
I LOOK AT THE STAFF NOTES AND CAME UP WITH A FEW ALTERNATIVES, CHANGES TO DELINEATE THE NEW FROM THE OLD AND HAD THEM DRAWN UP AND I HAVE SOME COPIES IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE THEM OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. SO THAT WAY WE CAN DO THAT AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THOSE [OVERLAPPING]?
>> YES WE'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE AND THEY CAN BECOME PART OF THE RECORD.
MR. SCHWEITZER, WE CAN [INAUDIBLE]
>> THEN WALK US THROUGH JUST A FEW BASIC CHANGES.
>> WE CHANGED A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE MAIN EXTERIOR FINISH INSTEAD OF GOING WITH THEM, CITING THAT MATCH.
WHAT'S ON THERE NOW IS A DUTCH LAUGHED THAT'S ON THE EXISTING HOME AND WE HAD SPECIFIED A HEARTY LAUGH FORM OF EXTERIOR, SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.
THE ORIGINAL DRAWING SHOWED THAT IT WAS LAP SIDING ON THERE, IT IS A LAP, BUT IT'S A DUTCH LAP, SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE IN THE PROFILE THAT YOU WILL SEE.
>> SORRY, IS THIS STUCCO NOW THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, WE CHANGED IT. A WHOLE DIFFERENT TEXTURE SO THAT WAY IT SHOWS THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, I WAS JUST THINKING SOMETHING SMOOTH [OVERLAPPING] NOTHING WITH ANY HEAVY TEXTURE, ANY SHELL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT BRICK AROUND THE BOTTOM SO THAT WAY IT CARRIED THROUGH.
>> ARE YOU PROPOSING THEN THE STUCCO-TYPE THING?
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THAT WAS ANOTHER OPTION.BUT THE ORIGINAL CITING THAT WE ORIGINALLY DREW AROUND THERE WAS A HEARTY LAUGH, JUST THE BASIC LAP SIDING WITH 5 OR 6, 7 INCH EXPOSURE, WE'RE OPEN VARIATION THERE, WHICH WAS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE NOW WHICH IS DUTCH LAP WHERE IT DOESN'T STICK OUT AS MUCH IT JUST HAS A NICE LITTLE CURVE AT THE TOP NICE SIMPLE DETAIL.
ANOTHER THING WE DID WAS REMOVE THE ARCHES THAT WERE ON THE WINDOWS AND JUST SQUARED THOSE OFF SO THAT WAY IT DOESN'T MATTER EXACTLY.
THEN I ALSO THOUGHT THAT POSSIBLY THAT CUPOLA AT THE TOP THAT WE HAD THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A NICE MIRROR, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SO [LAUGHTER] THAT WE REMOVED THAT OFF SO THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
>> DID THEY HAVE ANY PURPOSE THE GROUPON?
>> ORIGINALLY, YES, BUT NOW IT DOES NOT HAVE IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE LAYS OUT, IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK WITH THE FLOOR PLAN.
>> THE SIDE AND DIFFERENCE IS TO SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL AND THE NEW.
DO WE ALSO HAVE TO DO THE WINDOW CHANGE?
>> NO. I JUST DID THAT AS A MAXIMUM AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS FROM THERE AND LEAVE THE CURVED WINDOWS ON THERE LIKE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE HAS THE ACTUAL WINDOW IS CURVED.
WHAT I HAD ON THE ADDITION WAS A SQUARE WINDOW WITH A STUCCO BAND OVER THE TOP.
IT GAVE YOU THE ILLUSION OF IT.
>> YOU WENT AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE?
>> I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
I KNOW IT MIGHT BE THIS OR IT MIGHT BE THAT OR I DID THE MINIMALIST BUT I'M HERE TO TALK.
>> YOU WANT SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE.
>> I WANT SOMETHING THAT IMPROVE BUT [OVERLAPPING] NOT JUST INTERPRETATIONS.
>> I THINK I LOOK AT THESE AS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL, WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE THIS IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.
>> WHAT I HEAR, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TOWARDS CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH SOME GUY BECAUSE IT'S UNFAIR TO SEND HIM AWAY AND START TO FIGURE IT OUT.
>> CAN I STILL ASK A QUESTION?
>> AARON, ON THE PLANS, IT APPEARS THAT THE ADDITION IS, I'M ASSUMING IT'S A SLAB?
>> THE ELEVATION DOES NOT LOOK CORRECT AS I THINK THAT HOUSE SITS UP A GOOD 36, 38 INCHES?
>> RIGHT. WHICH IS WHY WE CARRIED THAT BRICK ACROSS THE FRONT TO MAKE IT LOOK IT WAS ELEVATED,.
>> NOT EXACT, IT'S JUST ABOVE GROUND LEVEL WHERE YOU CAN STEP FROM THE MASTER BEDROOM ONTO THE POOL DECK [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY THE WINDOW LOOKS SO LOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST AS A SUGGESTION, ANOTHER WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE WOULD BE IF YOU CHANGE THE ROOF MATERIAL, YOU CAN GO WITH THE STANDING SEAM OR METAL ROOF ON THE ADDITION OR CHANGE THE STYLE OR COLOR OR TYPE OF SHINGLES TO REALLY SHOW THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING ELSE AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WOULD THROW IT OUT THERE.
>> IN REGARDS TO THAT CUPOLA ON THE TOP, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEW EDITION IF WE'RE LEAVING, BUT IS IT TOO MUCH IN REGARDS TO THE TOWER, THIS ON THE EXISTING HOME.
>> I HAD CONCERNS WITH THREE ELEMENTS ON THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
ONE WAS THE CUPOLA, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE TOWER IS SUCH A BIG ELEMENT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT TRYING TO MIMIC IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
THE SECOND WAS THE SITING OF THE WINDOWS WHICH YOU HAVE ADDRESSED AND THE THIRD ONE TO ME IS A NUMBER OF BRACKETS THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IN THE EDITION.
IF YOU LOOK ALSO ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, THE BRACKETS ACCENTUATE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, AND THE LOWER PORTION, YOU DON'T SEE THEM.
THAT'S ONE ITEM THAT I WOULD MAYBE YOU MAY WANT TO EVALUATE, MAYBE HAVE LESS NUMBER OF BRACKETS.
I THINK IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT I AGREE WITH TAMMI THAT MAYBE THE ROOFS, I LOOKED AT IT FOR A LONG TIME AND IT IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THAT FLAT FACADE ON THAT SIDE, IT IS DIFFICULT TO HOW YOU TIED TO THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
BUT I THINK IT'S GOTTEN INTO, I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION AS WE'RE ONLY SEEING THE FRONT FACADE WE'RE NOT SEEING THE BACK FACADE SIDE EITHER, BUT JUST GOES OUT.
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>> THERE'S NOT A FILE OR SHOW, THERE'S NOT THE PLANS, THE EXISTING PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED ON YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE.
>> THE SAME WITH THE REVISION [OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE
>> WE DO HAVE THE WHOLE SET FOR THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL BUT NOT FOR THE ALTERNATE.
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON FOR THEM.
I THINK, FIRSTLY I WOULD LIKE TO PAY SOME COMPLEMENTS AND SOME OF THE DECISIONS YOU MADE THAT I THINK ARE SUCCESSFUL.
ONE IS THE NEW ADDITION IS ONLY TOUCHING THE EXISTING HOUSE IN THE MINIMUM WAY POSSIBLE AND I SAY THAT'S REALLY NICE.
THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK FOR, IS IT YOU'RE AFFECTING THE HISTORIC HOUSE TO THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO WALK INTO YOUR NEW SPACE? THAT'S REALLY GOOD, I LIKE THAT PART.
I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THE EXISTING HOUSE AND I'M ADDRESSING THE BRACKET ISSUE RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE LANGUAGE OF THE HOUSE HAS BRACKETS UP HIGH IT'S SECOND FLOOR OR IN THE TOWER AND YOU'RE PUTTING THEM ON THE FIRST FLOOR BIT AND I THINK FOR ME ANYWAY, IT'S A LITTLE DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND NOW THE LANGUAGE ON THIS ONE.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR THOUGHT THAT YOU WANT TO BRING IN SOME DETAIL INTO THE NEW PART, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STRATEGY TO GO FOR.
>> I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO BUILDING THOSE [LAUGHTER]
>> I'M NOT TOTALLY SET AGAINST THEM, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS AN ACTUAL DETAIL OF WHAT THAT BRACKET IS.
>> MAYBE THERE'S FEWER, MAYBE IT'S JUST AROUND THE ENTRY AROUND IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE MAY BE A WAY TO FINESSE IT IN THERE AND MARK A SPOT AS SPECIAL WITH THE BRACKETS WITHOUT HAVING SO MANY BRACKETS.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON TRACK WITH THE THOUGHT THAT YOU WANT TO BRING SOME DETAIL INTO IT AND BRACKETS ARE A GREAT WAY TO DO IT.
BUT I THINK THIS BOARD, WE WANT TO SEE MAYBE YOU CAN SUPPLY A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING BRACKET AND THEN A DETAIL OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR THE NEW BRACKET SO WE CAN SEE THEM AND I DON'T THINK WE'D WANT YOU TO MATCH BUT SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THE ORIGINAL BRACKETS.
>> MAYBE [INAUDIBLE] SOMETHING.
>> WELL, MAYBE A BIGGER BRACKET ON THE CORNERS PUT ONE ON THE NORTH WALL AT EACH CORNER, ONE ON THE SOUTH WALL, OR EXCUSE ME, THE EAST WALL SO ONE ON EACH CORNER AND HOLDS IT UP, BRINGS SCOTT THAT PLATE TO IT.
>> I AGREE, I THINK YOU CAN INVESTIGATE IT AND I THINK YOU SEEM TO BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH A LOT OF YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES THAT YOU'LL GET THERE, I THINK FOR SURE.
JUST YOUR DECISION ON THE WINDOW TRIM, I FELT THE ARCH WINDOW TRIM IS ONLY HAPPENING ON THE TOWER ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND THAT MARKS THAT AS THIS IS SPECIAL, THE TOWERS ARE SPECIAL THING, IT GETS SPECIAL TRENDS, SPECIAL WINDOWS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ARCH TRIM REALLY HAD A PLACE ON THE ADDITION EXCEPT MAYBE IN THE CUPOLA IF YOU KEPT THE CUPOLA AND PUT WINDOWS IN THERE.
>> ARCH TRIM SHOULD BE AROUND ARCHED WINDOWS.
ARCH TRIM SHOULD NOT BE A SUPERFLUOUS DECORATIVE ELEMENT TO LOOK LIKE THERE SHOULD BE NORTH WINDOW THERE.
>> I THINK WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD, WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS AND I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU LOTS OF GOOD IDEAS AND DIRECTION AND LIKE JIM SAID, YOU'RE MOVING ALONG IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
ONE THING I WILL ADD THAT I HAD IN MY NOTES ABOUT TOUCHING THE BUILDING AS LIGHTLY AS POSSIBLE WHERE THAT ADDITION DOES ADJOIN THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE HAD SIMILAR SITUATIONS OF OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ONLY CUT OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL OPENING WILL BE AND THEY'VE LEFT THE SIDING MAYBE BEHIND THE DRYWALL OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY DO.
IN A 100 YEARS, WHEN SOMEBODY'S RENOVATING THIS BUILDING, THEY TAKE DOWN THE DRYWALL, THEY GO OH MY GOSH, THE SIDING ACTUALLY GOES BACK HERE.
SO THEY REALLY KNOW THAT IT WAS NEW SO YES, AS LIGHT AS POSSIBLE.
THEN THE ONLY THING I WOULD CAUTION YOU THAT AS AS WE DIFFERENTIATE THIS, LET'S NOT STRIP IT DOWN TO LOOK LIKE A NURSING HOME ADDITION STUCK ONTO IT.
IT'S THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
>> MAY I JUMP IN HERE BECAUSE I THINK I WILL BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LAP.
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REDUCE THE NUMBER OF BRACKETS, REMOVE THE CUPOLA THEN I THINK THE LAP STARTS TO WORK BETTER.>> PERHAPS DIFFERENT EXPOSURE WE LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND YOUR CLIENT.
BUT YOU'RE DEFINITELY MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
OUR GOAL IS TO GET THIS NEXT MONTH.
IF YOU CAN GET IT BACK TO KELLY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS NEXT MONTH.
I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS MR. POZZETTA IS GOING TO ARTICULATE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE. HOW'S THAT SOUND?
>> LET ME INTERRUPT YOU THERE, SO OUR OWN IS CLEAR.
I'M NOT PARTICULARLY AGAINST THE LAP SIDING.
I THINK A DIFFERENT EXPOSURE OR LIKE TAMMI IS SAYING WOULD START WORKING BETTER WITH THE NEW DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE.
I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO GO THE STUCCO ROUTE OR THE LAP SIDING.
IT JUST HAS TO LOOK AND FEEL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULDN'T BE COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THE LAP SIDING JUST BECAUSE.
>> I THINK THE LAP SIDINGS IS PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE THAN THE STUCCO.
>> DO YOU ALL PREFER TO SEE THE TWO-AND-A-HALF INCH SMALLER?
>> WE'LL LET YOU FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> MAKE IT WORK WITH THE BUILDING. MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
>> LAP BUT ENOUGH OF THE DISTINCTION THERE.
>> I THINK PENDING THE MATERIAL CHOICE YOU MAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT HARDIE LAP SIDING, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO USE CORNER BOARDS.
KNOWING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE THEM, LET'S SEE THEM ON THE DRAWING.
>> IN COLUMN OUT TO THE SIDES.
ONE THING I FOUND A LITTLE HARD TO REVIEW ON THAT DRAWING THAT'S BEHIND YOU WAS, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S FULLY RENDERED.
THE WALL SECTIONS WERE LACKING.
AT THE NEW ADDITION, YOU'RE TRYING TO SHOW THAT IT HAS A HIGHER FLOOR HEIGHT, BUT THE FLOOR IS REALLY LOWER AT POOL LEVEL, NOT UP AT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE LEVEL AND YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR A WAY TO DISGUISE THAT WHICH IS FINE THAT'S WHAT THE BRICK IS.
BUT YOUR WALL SECTION DOESN'T SHOW HOW THAT BRICK IS APPLIED.
IT DOESN'T EVEN SHOW BRICK IN THE WALL SECTION.
IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT IS THAT BRICK.
IS IT REAL BRICK WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME VERSUS VENEER? WHAT IS THAT TRANSITION BETWEEN SIDING AND BRICK HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT? THAT I THINK WOULD SHOW UP WELL IN THE WALL SECTION SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IT REALLY GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S DONE.
I COULD ALSO SEE IN SOME OF THE WALL SECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE VINYL SOFFIT AND ALUMINUM FASCIA.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HOUSE.
JUST FROM WHERE I'M SITTING, IT LOOK LIKE MAYBE THAT'S JUST THE BOILERPLATE DETAIL THAT GOT DROPPED ON THESE DRAWINGS.
I WOULD SAY AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, REALLY SCRUTINIZE THOSE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE DETAILS THAT ARE ON THE DRAWINGS ARE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY PROPOSING TO BUILD IN THE FIELD ON THE HOUSE.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU COULD DO SOME REALLY SPECIAL THINGS ON THERE AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THE DETAILS OF IT FOR SURE.
>> IS THAT ENOUGH? YOU FEELING PRETTY GOOD? YOU GOT ENOUGH FROM US?
>> THEN WE WILL CLOSE OUR SECTION MOVING TO EVERYBODY AND THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0099.
IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
JIM, I THINK YOU SUMMARIZE THAT PRETTY WELL.
MOVING AT THIS PUBLIC FOR A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? HOPEFULLY, WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS APPLICATION WITH NEW DRAWINGS FOR FINAL NEXT MONTH.
DIRECTOR, YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE? WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL? I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE RECORD.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. THANK YOU JIM.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0099, WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE SPOKEN ABOUT DURING BOARD CONSTRUCTION DISCUSSION.
I MOVE THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2023-0099 AS PRESENTED.
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WHERE IS THIS PART THAT SAYS CONCEPTUAL?>> HE'S COMPLIANT BUT IT WOULD BE FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
>> AS PRESENTED IS COMPLIANT FOR CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT SORRY, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. THANKS FOR BEARING WITH ME.
SECOND KOSACK. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ON OWNING.
NOT YOU? OKAY. WHOEVER THEY ARE.
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE THIS IS AN AMAZING PIECE OF OUR HISTORY HERE FOR A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS.
NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH IS PETER SCHUYLER.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TWO PROPERTIES LEFT WITH HIS PARTICULAR ITALIANATE BRAND ON IT.
WE JUST NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROPERTY IS STILL CELEBRATED AND ENDURES.
IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT WE HAVE THAT LEFT AND CALLING IT HALF A HOUSE.
I JUST THINK IT SAYS SO MUCH ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE AT THAT TIME.
SCHUYLER, I THINK WHEN HE DID THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN CITY CLERK AT THE TIME.
>> PRETTY BUSY. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
2023-0100, COTNER FOR YOUNG 803 WHITE STREET.
[5.3 HDC 2023-0100 - COTNER & ASSOCIATES, AGENT FOR JEFF HOLLIS + KATHRYN YOUNG, 803 WHITE STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a new 2 1/2 story single family residence with a detached accessory structure. (Quasi-Judicial)]
>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, ALL REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID, AND ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THE CASE TO BE HEARD THIS EVENING.
THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS THE PRESENTATION AND BACKUP MATERIALS, ARE MADE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE CASE.
TONIGHT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING FINAL APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A TWO-AND-A-HALF-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A DETACHED GARAGE LOCATED AT 803 WHITE STREET.
I BELIEVE THIS IS BLOCK 5, LOT 8 A FULL PEONIA IN OLD TOWN AND IT IS AN INTERIOR LOT PEONIA WITH DEVELOPMENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SITE, WHICH MAKES IT UNIQUE AND DIFFICULT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS CONSTRUCTION-WISE THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN ADDRESS HERE THIS EVENING.
HOWEVER, THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE DOES MEET THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES AND SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE APPLICATION THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCY AND I KNOW QUESTIONS WERE RAISED ABOUT THE OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHT AND ITS COMPLIANCE WITH IT.
IT IS INDICATED THAT IT'S NO GREATER THAN 35 FEET TALL FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE AND THE SUBORDINATE STRUCTURE WILL BE 25 FEET TALL, CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDANCE WITHIN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THE DISCREPANCY CAME FROM THE HEIGHT BEING MEASURED FROM THE SEA LEVEL AND SO JUST THAT OVERALL HEIGHT DIMENSION WAS PROVIDED.
I THINK THAT CAUSED A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION.
OTHERWISE, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CASE 2023-100.
I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
>> NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY? THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR WE'LL MOVE ON TO MS. PITTMAN WHO'S HERE.
I TOLD HER ON THE WAY IN HOW MUCH I LIKED THESE DRAWINGS.
THEY'RE REALLY GOOD AND REALLY GIVES US A SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THANK YOU. ANN PITTMAN FROM COTNER ARCHITECTS, ADDRESS IS 15 NORTH 18TH STREET.
>> ONE NOTE THAT I DID MAKE ALSO WAS TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGHNESS.
THE DRAWINGS, THE CALL-OUTS, THE DETAILS, AND ON THE APPLICATION TOO.
IT REALLY DOES MAKE IT EASIER FOR US.
ONE CLARIFICATION, KELLY, THERE WASN'T A DISCREPANCY WITH THE HEIGHTS, WAS IT JUST SOMEBODY THAT I WAS READING IT INCORRECTLY BECAUSE IT WAS BASED OFF, BECAUSE THE HEIGHT HASN'T CHANGED.
IT MEETS EVERYTHING. IT JUST HAPPENED.
>> THE NON-ARCHITECT ON THE BOARD GOT IT WRONG.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE WERE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT POINTED THAT OUT AND HAD ISSUED CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING TOO TALL.
>> IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THERE ARE ALL THE FLOORS IN.
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QUESTIONS FOR ANN?>> I THINK IT TICKS ALL THE BOXES, SETBACK IS APPROPRIATE, ARTICULATED FOUNDATION. IT LOOKS LIKE IT FITS IN.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT ARTICULATION OF THE FOUNDATION.
I KNOW MANY TIMES WE'VE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HAVING PORCHES ON PIERS.
BUT I THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, YOURS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT FASCIA BOARD THAT WRAPS AROUND THAT PORCH ELEMENT ON TOP OF THE BRICK.
IT GIVES IT A LOOK OF A TRADITIONAL PORCH.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE SLAB ON GRADE.
SOMETIMES WE'VE DONE THE DEAL WHERE YOU INSERT AND DO THE FAKE LOUVER DEAL.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU DID THERE IS EFFECTIVE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS LIKE A WATER TABLE OR SOMETHING THAT EVOKES THE IMAGE OF A PORCH.
>> IT'S A BIG STRUCTURE SO THIS REALLY GIVES IT A SOLID VISUAL BASE.
>> THE PIERS WOULD HAVE LOOKED A LITTLE BIT WEAK IF YOU [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU, ANN. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0100803 WHITE STREET? THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAYBE FOR PUBLIC EDIFICATION, DISCUSS THAT REALLY OUR PURVIEW IN OLD TOWN IS PRESERVING THE GRID.
THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE AND ALMOST OUR ONLY THING.
WE CAN SUGGEST, WE CAN TALK ABOUT MATERIALS.
THIS IS A BIG STRUCTURE BUT IT FITS.
IT FITS ALL THE LDC, IT FITS EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE.
EVEN IF THE STRUCTURES FLANKING IT ARE SMALLER, WE HAVE NO SAY OVER THAT AND WE HAVE NO GUIDANCE TOWARDS THAT.
I THINK THAT THE STYLE OF IT LOOKS GREAT EVEN THOUGH WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS THAT'S NOT OUR PURVIEW.
AS LONG AS IT FITS THE SETBACKS AND THERE'S NO [INAUDIBLE] PROBLEMS, THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS HERE.
THAT'S JUST BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS AND LETTERS FROM PEOPLE IN OUR OLD TOWN THAT TALK ABOUT HOW DID WE ALLOW THE STRUCTURE TO GO IN, THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, OR THE LOCATION AND AS LONG AS IT HITS THE GUIDELINES OUR HANDS ARE PRETTY MUCH TIED ON THAT.
>> WE HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THIS HOSPITAL FOLLOWS, AND SO WE WALK AWAY FROM THOSE AND JUST REDUCE IT TO A GRID DISCUSSION EXCLUSIVELY.
THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF REVIEW.
>> TO TAMMI'S POINT, I THINK THIS PROJECT DOES A GOOD JOB OF TAKING A VERY LARGE BUILDING BUT THROUGH THE DETAILING IN THE ARTICULATION OF THE WALLS AND ROOF FORMS AND THINGS, IT BREAKS DOWN THAT SCALE.
ALTHOUGH IT'S A LARGE STRUCTURE IT HAS A PERCEPTION OF BEING SMALL.
>> IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION COULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I'VE GOT IT UP. I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC 2023-0100 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT IN CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE HDC 2023-0100, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, AND THE OLD TOWN PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WORK THROUGH THE LAB THIS TIME.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. MOVING ON TO HDC 2023-0101.
[5.4 HDC 2023-0101 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 102 CENTRE STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to remove "Fernandina Pirate" Sculpture and Replace with new "Peg Leg Pete" Sculpture and Base. (Quasi-Judicial)]
THIS IS THE CITY'S APPLICATION FOR PEG LEG REPLACEMENT AT 102 CENTER STREET. DIRECTOR?FOR THE RECORD, APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, PAID FOR.
NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE, AND THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS ALL APPLICATION MATERIALS, ARE MADE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE HEARING TONIGHT.
TONIGHT WE ARE LOOKING TO REPLACE THE BELOVED PEG LEG PETE OR FERNANDINA PIRATE CREATED IN 1978.
RIGHT NOW HE IS FALLING APART FROM WITHIN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
A DESIGN HAS BEEN PROPOSED AS CREATED BY A LOCAL ARTIST TO CONSIDER THE REPLACEMENT.
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THE ART AND CULTURE NASSAU COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THIS AS A PERMANENT ART FIXTURE AND PERMANENT ART INSTALLATION TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE CITY AND HAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT GOES BACK IN THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE EXISTING PEG LEG PETE.THAT'S WHY I'M SHOWING YOU THE CURRENT AND THE PROPOSED IN THAT LOCATION.
THE PAINTING WAS COMPLETED OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF BY A LOCAL ARTIST AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO PEG LEG PETE BEING REPLACED HERE, THERE'S A REQUEST FROM THE FERNANDINA PIRATES CLUB TO ALSO CONSIDER A NEW LITTLE LIBRARY LOCATION THAT WOULD HAVE A MURAL DESIGN PAINTED IN PIRATE THEME, ALSO COMPLETED BY A LOCAL ARTIST TO OCCUR ALONGSIDE PEG LEG PETE.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THE LOCATION, BUT ALONG THAT PUBLIC AREA.
WITH VERY LITTLE TO RELY ON OTHER THAN IT BEING ART THERE'S NO OBJECTIVE CRITERIA FOR STAFF TO REALLY PROVIDE TO YOU AS GUIDANCE THIS EVENING, IT IS REQUIRED THAT IT GO TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL THROUGH THE ART AND CULTURE NASSAU ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S ACCEPTING PERMANENT ART WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING IT HERE THIS EVENING.
>> LET ME UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THEN, SO WHO IS THE APPLICANT?
>> THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY AS SPONSORED BY THE PIRATES CLUB AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
>> WHO COMPLETED THE APPLICATION?
>> CITY STAFF. I DID PERSONALLY.
I PUT THE APPLICATION PACKAGE TOGETHER.
>> BECAUSE YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS.
>> THEN IF WE APPROVE THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT'S THE FINAL?
>> PEG LEG'S BEEN ON-SITE FOR 45 YEARS.
THE PIRATES DID THE ORIGINAL ONE WITH A BROAD BASE OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THERE ARE 21 SPONSORS ON THE GRASS PLAQUE UNDER THE CURRENT PEG LEG WHICH MEANS TO ME THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED, A LOT OF PEOPLE SUPPORTED THE ORIGINAL PEG LEG.
>> HE WAS JUST RESTORED BY THE PIRATES ALSO, NOT TOO LONG AGO.
>> I'M NOT CERTAIN [OVERLAPPING]
>> BEFORE THAT I HAVE A QUESTION [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE GOING TO GET TO YOU IN A MINUTE, MARIAN. THANK YOU.
>> WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A MINUTE. THANK YOU.
>> PARDON ME IF I MISSED IT FROM THE APPLICATION.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BASE? IS THE BASE REMAINING AS IS?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BASE STAYS AS IS.
>> IS THAT WHERE THE TIME CAPSULE IS?
>> RIGHT AND THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION.
>> COOL. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL WITNESSES TONIGHT, INCLUDING THE CITY ENGINEER [INAUDIBLE] AND THE PARKS DIRECTOR.
WE'RE GOING TO ASK MARIAN FOR SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE HERE FROM PIRATES WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO, AND YOU'RE FROM ART AND CULTURE NASSAU.
>> MR. SPINO, I'LL NEED TO BE SWORN IN BECAUSE I DIDN'T SWEAR IN.
>> WE'LL GET YOU THERE MARIAN.
ALTHOUGH I KNOW YOU'D TELL THE TRUTH. WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN.
GO SIT DOWN. WHO DO WE GO WITH FIRST HERE DIRECTOR IS THAT MY CALL?
>> THAT IS UP TO YOU TO CALL A WITNESS.
>> I WOULD ASK CITY ENGINEER TO COME FORWARD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS UPON THE PROPOSED SCULPTURE AS A PERMANENT INSTALLATION AT THE WELCOME CENTER?
>> CHARLIE GEORGE, CITY ENGINEER.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS PURELY FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT FOR STABILITY AND SAFETY.
LOOKING AT THE STRUCTURE I'VE LOOKED AT IT IT'S REAL TOP-HEAVY.
I THINK THERE'S A STABILITY ISSUE THERE.
ALSO, THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT A ONE-PIECE MONOLITHIC STRUCTURE.
IT'S GOT PARTS THAT HAVE BEEN ATTACHED AND AS WE KNOW, KIDS WILL CLIMB ON THIS THING AND IF THEY GRAB THE WRONG ONE NOT THAT I'VE LOOKED INTO THE DETAIL OF THE CONNECTIONS, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT IT COULD BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S A MYRIAD OF COMPONENT NOT A ONE-PIECE STRUCTURE.
FROM THE CITY ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY AND STABILITY.
>> LET ME BACK THIS UP. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR.
MANY OF THE COMMUNITY AND MYSELF INCLUDED REALLY LIKE THE ORIGINAL PEG LEG. IT'S A BIG DEAL.
EVERY FAMILY MEMBER OF MY FAMILY HAS A PICTURE WITH PEG LEG.
IF IT HAS TO GO, I KNOW WE'RE SEEKING A REPLACEMENT AND WE WANT TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE FOUND THE ONE THAT WE WANT TO USE ON THAT WELCOME CENTER SITE.
>> FROM AGAIN, ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, I'VE GOT CONCERNS ABOUT STABILITY AND SAFETY.
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>> SOMEBODY WAS CLIMBING ON IT I'D SAY AND THEY FELL THEY BUSTED THEIR HEAD OPEN.
>> CHARLIE IS THE ORIGINAL ONE.
>> YEAH. IT'S IT'S MONOLITHIC AND IT'S ALSO TO SCALE, IT'S NOT A HEAVY TOP PART OR A HAVING BOTTOM PART, IT'S FROM A PERSPECTIVE STANDPOINT, IT'S UNIFORM, SO IT'S LESS LIKELY TO BE UNSTABLE.
>> THANK YOU. MR. GEORGE, I'M GOING TO ASK MS. MARION IF YOU GIVE US A MINUTE ON THE RENOVATIONS, COME ON UP, WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN, AND THEN WE WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RENOVATIONS THAT WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY.
MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE SWEAR MS. MARION.
>> MS. MARION PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE WHOLE AND WHOLE WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> IF YOU COULD SIGN YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE ROUTE.
>> I WILL. THANK YOU. MARION PHILLIPS, I LIVE AT 724 SOUTH 6TH STREET, FRONT OF DANIA BEACH, FLORIDA.
>> YOU'VE RENOVATED THIS PIECE AT ONCE?
JUDY MACKEY AND LAWRENCE MACKEY ARE ALSO HERE AND THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE POWER CLUB, SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
I'M ALSO GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU AS A POWER CLUB MEMBER.
I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO GET RID OF THE OLD PEG LEG PETE BECAUSE I SAY IT'S ROTTEN AND MESSED UP AND ALL OF THAT.
THE POWER CLUB DID IN 2016, I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE I JUST HAD THIS QUESTION POSED TO ME THIS WEEK.
HAD THE THING WHENEVER THE MARITIME MUSEUM WAS OPENED AND IT WAS IN THERE BEING RENOVATED AND WENT THROUGH.
I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE OLD PEG LEG PETE.
PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PICK MY BRAIN AND ASK ME QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST ALL OF MY LIFE AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE OUT MY INFORMATION BECAUSE PEOPLE USE IT AND TWIST IT AROUND, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
IF YOU'RE FROM FOREIGN DANIA, YOU'RE FROM FOREIGN DANIA.
KEEP YOUR STUFF IN YOUR POCKET. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE NO, I AIN'T DOING IT, THEY WANT TO FIND OUT THEY BETTER GO FIND THAT THEMSELVES, GO TO LIBERIA, GO FIND OUT FROM SOMEBODY. I'M NOT DOING IT.
BUT ANYWAY, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING THE OTHER PIRATE BUT THAT PEG LEG PETE WAS CHISELED OUT, THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO IS HERE NOW THAT HELP BUILD IT AND I KNOW WHO THAT PERSON IS.
I'VE HAD SOME STUFF GOING ON IN MY FAMILY, I COULD NOT GO MEET WITH HIM, BUT I DID WANT TO GO TALK TO HIM BECAUSE I WAS YOUNG WHEN THAT WAS BUILT AND 78, I GRADUATED IN 79, SO I REMEMBER WHEN ALL OF THAT WAS HAPPENING.
WHAT QUESTION DO YOU HAVE FOR ME THAT I CAN ANSWER?
>> LET ME JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, SO WHO IS TELLING US IT HAS TO GO?
>> SOMEBODY I'VE HEARD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO GET RID OF IT THAT THEY WANT BECAUSE WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY WAS UNSTABLE? I DON'T LIKE NOT TALKED TO THE CHAIR.
[OVERLAPPING] THE NEW ONE? GROOVY, YEAH IT IS, IT'S BIG IT'S BIG.
>> BUT MARION, WHO'S TELLING US THAT THE ORIGINAL 1970S ARE PAYABLE
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY WANT TO GET RID OF IT.
I HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. I GOT.
I'LL HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. [OVERLAPPING] I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF.
THE REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ALL, IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAVED, IT'S A PART OF HISTORY, AND THE OTHER THING WAS THAT LITTLE LIBRARY, AND I WANT TO DISCUSS THAT WITH Y'ALL BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED WAS I'M AN NEA MEMBER OF THE UNION AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE NASSAU EDUCATIONAL SUPPORT PERSONNEL ASSOCIATION, SO THIS SUMMER WE HAD OUR CONVENTION IN ORLANDO AND THOSE OF US WHO WERE FROM FLORIDA GOT TO BUILD AN AUTHENTIC LITTLE LIBRARY.
BECAUSE WE COULD BRING THEM HOME, PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES CAN TAKE THEM HOME, BUT WE COULD, SO I'VE GOT IT IN MY LIVING ROOM, SITTING THERE WAITING, AND THEN THE POST WAS BUILT BY AMISH PEOPLE AND IT CAME SHIPPED SEPARATELY.
I HAVEN'T EVEN THEN BOX THAT, SO I THOUGHT WHAT A GREAT IDEA FOR AN AUTHENTIC LITTLE LIBRARY, BECAUSE THIS STUFF PEOPLE ARE POPPING UP ALL AROUND HERE THEY'RE NOT AUTHENTIC LITTLE LIBRARIES.
THIS ONE HAS A TAG ON IT, SO SOMEBODY WITH THE APP ON THEIR PHONE CAN FIND IT IN FRONT OF DATA BEACH, AND I THOUGHT HOW COOL WOULD IT BE TO PUT IT NEXT TO PEG LEG PETE, SINCE I'M IN THE CLUB AND I'M A PIRATE, BUT REALLY AND TRULY SO PUT IT THERE SO THE CHILDREN CAN GO GET BOOKS BECAUSE THE CHILDREN [OVERLAPPING] HAVE SOME POWER.
I'VE GOT SOME BOOKS READY TO GO IN IT.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT THE CHILDREN COULD, THEY'RE GOING THERE TO SEE PEG LEG PETE, HEY, I'M GETTING A BOOK AND READ, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THAT.
>> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY ORIGINAL PEG LEG HAS TO GO AWAY BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF THE COMMITTEE.
>> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT SHALL, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANTED TO DO IT OR NOT, BUT I'VE HEARD.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE SAID TO ME IS, LITERALLY ONE OF MY HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDS WHILE HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER SAID, YOU MEAN WE CAN'T JUST FIX PEG LEG? THAT WAS A LITTLE LATE LAST YEAR.
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>> WE'VE WORKED ON IT. WE WORKED ON IT.
WE HAD IT IN THERE AND WE DID SOME OF THE WOODEN STUFF IS SOME OF IT'S BAD, BUT JUDY AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO DISCUSS LAWRENCE WITHIN.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY LIKE YOUR LIBRARY, I DID AND I REALLY HOPE WE CAN FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
>> I HOPE Y'ALL LET ME KNOW AND I'LL COME BACK TO [INAUDIBLE]
>> MR. GEORGE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE FROM CITY STAFF HAS SAID THAT IT NEEDS TO GO.
I THINK THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL BUT SOME LIKE TO GO TO A MUSEUM BECAUSE IT WAS DETERIORATING.
THIS IS NOT A CITY STAFF SAYING IT NEEDS TO GO.
>> I THINK THAT'S NEWS TO OUR FRIENDS AT ARTS AND CULTURE, NASA AS WELL, SO THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE.
OMUS RESSIANA, COULD YOU COME UP PLEASE?
>> CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU GOT HERE?
>> I WAS ASKED TO SHOW UP TONIGHT BECAUSE JOE BROWN, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE PIRATES CLUB, SAID I CAN MAKE IT, WHAT I COME UP, SO OUR JOB AS THE AGENCY OF PUBLIC ART WAS TO ACCEPT JOE BROWN'S APPLICATION WHICH I DID GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING WITH HIM, OUR POSITION WAS OKAY, YOU'RE SAYING TO YOUR POINT THE OLD PEG LEG HAS HAD IT AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE TO IT, SO HERE'S THE SOLUTION YOU PUT FORWARD.
OUR APPLICATION JUST SAYS, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WE PUT IT BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD APPROVED IT IN OCTOBER.
WE EVEN HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S PUT IT ACROSS THE STREETS.
LET'S PUT IT BACK BY THE ANCHOR WHILE THAT WAS IN THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE WORKED FROM THE ASSUMPTION THAT JOE BROWN BROUGHT FORWARD HIS CONTENTION THAT THIS WAS NOT REPAIRABLE.
[OVERLAPPING] IS THERE ANOTHER PART OF THIS?
>> WE JUST ASSUMED THAT THAT WAS WALKING FORWARD.
JULIE DELSON ART STUDIO WHO WAS KIND ENOUGH TO DO THE PAINTING AND A SCULPTOR WAS FOUND FROM LAST YEAR'S SHRIMP FESTE, MAYBE YOUNG MAN FROM THE TOWN WHO ACTUALLY JUST CARVED THE WHOLE THING OUT OF A PIECE OF WOOD.
MY CONTENTION THROUGH THE SUPPORT PIECES, IT'S CORRECT, THE ARM IS ADDED BOTH SIDES BUT THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH SAL, JOE AND I WENT DOWN THERE AND SAID, THE BASE ALLOWS PEOPLE TO CLIMB UP ON IT.
WE DON T THINK THE BASE CAN STAY THE WAY IT IS IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, IT HAS TO HAVE AN ORB OF PITCH THAT YOU CAN CLIMB ON IT.
COULD PERHAPS HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE AROUND IT.
BUT IF YOU SIT ON THAT THING, IT'S GOING DOWN, SO WE AGREE WITH THAT AND WE THOUGHT THAT'S THE MESSAGE WE LEFT AT SALES OFFICE.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S STILL GOT A COUPLE OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. GRASSIA.
>> THIS IS A PRETTY MATURE IT'S LIKE IT'S COMPLETELY PREMATURE.
THIS THE BASE CHANGING IS THE BASE NOT CHANGING.
>> WE ARE UNDOUBTEDLY GOING AND CONTINUE THIS, BUT SINCE THE MACKEY'S HAVE COME HERE, I JUST WANTED TO REACH OUT AND SEE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS CONVERSATION, MR. MACKEY, MS MACKEY?
>> WOULD YOU COME ON UP PLEASE AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, AND IF SO, IS THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS HERE TONIGHT ARE GOING TO WISH TO TESTIFY WITH REGARDS TO THIS CASE? WE'LL CONSIDER THIS THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, SIR. GO AHEAD.
>> NO PROBLEM. MY NAME IS LAWRENCE MACKEY.
I LIVE AT 1011 BROOM STREET, BERNARDINO.
I'VE GOT A PIRATE FOR 33 YEARS.
WE HAVE REDONE THE ORIGINAL PEG LEG PETE, WHICH WAS BUILT BEFORE WE MOVED HERE.
WE MOVED HERE IN 1990 AND BECAME PIRATES RIGHT AFTERWARDS.
WE HAVE REPAIRED HIM THREE TIMES.
THERE IS ACTUALLY ASHES FROM ONE OF OUR GOOD PIRATES INSIDE PEG LEG PETE IN THE FILM CANISTER.
HE IS DUE TO WEATHER AND WHAT HAVE YOU AFTER THREE TIMES WE CAN'T REPAIR THEM AGAIN, AND WE HAVE REPAIR THEM AT OUR COST EVERY TIME, WHICH TO HELP ABOUT ONE YEAR, THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION CHIPPED IN SOME MONEY TO HELP.
WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM GO AWAY WHERE THE MUSEUM WANTS TO PUT THEM IN THE MUSEUM TO SAVE HIM THERE.
THE NEW ONE, WHICH IS BUILT PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY THE WAY THE OLD ONE WAS.
IT'S CUT OUT OF ONE PIECE OF WOOD, THEN FIBERGLASS AND WHATEVER, WHAT'S YOUR ORIGINAL ONE I DON'T THINK WAS, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO ERODE LIKE THE OTHER ONE.
WATER'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET INTO IT LIKE THE OLD ONE.
THAT'S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE OLD ONE, THEY'VE GOT WATER AND IT'S WOOD, IT'S DETERIORATING.
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WE'VE PAID TO HAVE THIS NEW ONE BUILT.AGAIN, THE PIRATES CLUB, NOT ANYBODY ELSE, AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM PUT BACK THERE, I AGREE IN PART THAT THE STRUCTURE IS NOT PERFECT FOR HIM TO GO BACK.
IT NEEDS SOME REDESIGN A LITTLE BIT BUT THAT LITTLE PIRATE IS THE NUMBER ONE THING PHOTOGRAPHED IN THE CITY OF FREDERICK NITA.
WE DO NOT WANT TO MOVE HIM OR GET RID OF HIM.
PEOPLE COME TO SEE PEG LEG PETE, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO ADD.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M SURE I CAN PROBABLY ANSWER.
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU GUYS THINK IT'S DETERIORATING AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
>>IT IS DETERIORATING, IT HAS DETERIORATED BAD THE LAST TIME WE DID IT AND WE THOUGHT WE TRIED SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO LAST A LOT LONGER, IT'S LASTED SEVEN YEARS BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT AGAIN.
>> CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE THE TYPE OF DETERIORATION AND WHERE IT IS?
>> THE INTERIOR DETERIORATION IS INSIDE.
WATER GOT INTO THE HEAD OF IT.
THERE WAS A HOLE CREATED IN THERE AND SO ONCE WATER GOT IN IT, IT'S WHAT IT WAS MADE OUT OF, A SOLID PIECE OF OAK AND IT WAS CARVED WITH CUT WITH A CHAINSAW ON THE STREETS DURING SHRIMP FESTIVAL.
THIS WHOLE THING WAS DONE. THAT THE NEW GUY THAT'S DOING IT AS A KID, HOW OLD IS HE?
WHO READ DID THE NEW, ROOMMATE KNEW AND WE'VE GOT A SOLID PIECE OF, I THINK CEDAR THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S MUCH IT'LL LAST LONGER.
HE READ DID IT THE SAME WAY WITH A CHAINSAW AND SOME OTHER TOOLS THAN WE HAD ARTISTS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE THE THE HIGH SCHOOL COME IN AND HELP FINISH IT UP, FINISHING TOUCHES AND THE FINE TUNE ALL WE HAD THE ARTISTS THAT HIGH SCHOOL AND WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO GET HIM BACK.
NOW, PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE OLD ONE IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE COULD CAN CLIMB UP ON THAT STRUCTURE, WELL, THEN THEY CAN LEAN ON HIM AND JAB HIM AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO AND THAT'S PROBABLY HOW WE GOT TO HOLD HIS HEAD.
IF WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK TO MAKE IT SO THAT IS BACKUP ON THAT BUT CAN'T GET PEOPLE CAN'T STAND THEM AND THEY CAN TAKE THEIR PICTURE FROM THREE FEET AWAY.
>> JUST REMIND ALL THAT SHE'S A ART IS THE KID THAT GOES TO INTO THE FARMER'S MARKET?
>> LADIES UP INTO FARMER'S MARKET WITH MY WIFE, FRIENDS AND FARMERS MARKET.
>> WE WILL WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE'S ANYONE ELSE, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> SEEK COUNSEL. WE REOPENED IT INTO CLUBS AND I WILL ENTER INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE REACHED OUT TO MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.
WELL, LET ME READ YOU A QUOTE FROM A FRIEND OF MINE, A CENSUS TODAY, MAYBE JUST POINT OUT THAT THE NEW ONE REALLY DOESN'T LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE ONE THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS COME TO LAB OVER THE YEARS.
I THINK THAT SUMS IT UP RIGHT THERE THAT PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THEY JUST [NOISE] EXISTING LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE EXISTING PEG LEG REPLAY IF HE HAS TO BE REPLACED.
>> MR. POYNTER, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO TABLE IT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION?
>> WHY WAS IT SAYS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING ABOUT THIS BACKWARDS.
LIKE IT'S FIRST OFF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING APPROVED BY US AND THEN THE COMMISSION, THE CITY THEN TAKES OWNERSHIP OF THIS AND THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE [NOISE] OF THIS.
EVEN MAYBE THE PIRATES, WE'D COME FORTH AND SAY, YEAH, WE'LL DO IT, BUT TECHNICALLY THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE.
IF I'M GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING, I WANT TO NOW AND HAVE A PART IN HOW IS THIS THING MADE? WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS? IS IT UV RESISTANT PAINT? WHAT IS THIS THING THAT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR TO MAINTAIN OVER TIME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS JUST HAPPENED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S LIKE IT JUST POPPED UP.
>> WHEN SOMEONE'S IS IT'S ORGANIC CREDIT.
I MEAN, THE PROCESS AND 1970S, IT'S PROBABLY VERY SIMILAR. HAVING SAID THAT.
>> THERE ARE 21 NAMES UNDER THE EXISTING BUSINESSES AND SUPPORTERS, INDIVIDUALS AND BUSINESSES WHO SUPPORT THAT INSTALLATION.
I'M NOT SEEING THAT GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED SCULPTURE.
>> DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVEN BEEN POSITED TO THE PUBLIC.
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LIKE I JUST LEARNED ABOUT IT AND WHEN I GOT THE AGENDA.>> I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE, IS IT THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ICON FOR OUR CITY THAT IF THE ISSUE WAS PUT FORWARD, THAT TABLE HAS GOT A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, AS A AS A RESTORATION THIS THERE ARE WAYS THAT ONE CAN BE DRY CLEANED PRESERVED STRUCTURAL EPOXY KIDNEYS.
THERE'S SO MANY WAYS AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME MONEY.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE BORN? I GIVE A BUTTON.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I MEAN I DO WHAT.
>> WE'RE ASKING THE CITY ENGINEER TO PUT AN EYE ON IT.
THE CITY MANAGER WILL SUPPORT THE CITY ENGINEER.
WE GET OUR JEREMIAH WAS JUST DOWN THERE.
>> BUT WE'RE PROBABLY MOVING TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS, COMMUNITY CONSENSUS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSERS. WE SEE IT.
>> MY ONLY POINTLESS WITH FLIP TAMMY WAS SAYING THAT I'VE SEEN THINGS IN A LOT WORSE SHAPE THAT ARE ABLE TO GET FIXED AND RESTORE.
EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANTED SO MUCH, YOU CAN LITERALLY MAKE A CASTING OF IT.
THEN PUT IT IN CONCRETE AND THEN PAINT IT UP SO IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER ONES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ENOUGH HAS BEEN INVESTIGATING ON THIS.
>> I THINK IF YOU'D COMES BACK TO US, AT LEAST IT HAS TO HAVE THE OXYGEN, HAS TO HAVE AN OWNER RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE I DON'T WHO THE OWNER OF THE ACTION, HE'S A PROPONENT OF THE ACTION.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'D BE MISSING.
>> MAYBE NOT. HAVING SPONSORED WHEN I WAS FIRED.
MAINSTREAM HAVEN'T SPONSORED PEG LEGS BIRTHDAY.
WHAT? HIS 50TH BIRTHDAY OR WHATEVER?
[LAUGHTER] THE RESEARCH THAT I DID ON IT INDICATED THAT MR. LANDON WAS WHO TOOK THE LEAD WHOSE DAUGHTERS NOW HOME, SHIPS LANTERN ON CENTER STREET AND A COUPLE OF OTHER STORES, CJ AND CORNUCOPIA.
HIS DAUGHTERS ARE STILL HERE, AND DAD PLAYED A BIG PART IN THE BIRTHDAY PARTY.
I THINK THOUGH THAT THIS IS THIS PIECE OF OUR HISTORY HAS GOTTEN, I'LL USE A TECHNICAL TERM, SCREWED UP WITH WHO'S THE OWNER.
>> BECAUSE IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN MY MIND, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE DAVID USUALLY STATUE WHICH WAS DONATED TO THE CITY, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DIFFERENT.
NOW I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE PAST THAT THE CITY DOESN'T BELIEVE IT'S THERE TO MAINTAIN AND THE SAME WAS TRUE WITH THE FOUNTAIN IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE, WHICH WAS DONATED TO THE CITY.
THIS ACTUALLY BY MR. LANDON WAS DONATED TO THE CITY AND ALL OF THE BUSINESSES WHO SUPPORTED IT AND IT WAS AFTER THE RENOVATION OF DOWNTOWN AND LET'S SHOW OUR PEOPLE, LET'S SHOW OUR VISITORS WHAT OUR HISTORY CONSISTED OF, WHICH WAS PIRACY AND SMUGGLING AND ALL THAT POSITIVE STUFF.
I DO THINK THAT IT'S AN EXTREMELY POPULAR ICON IN THE CITY, THE WAY IT LOOKED WHEN IT WAS IN GOOD HEALTH AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IF THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE OVER MAINTENANCE OF IT, WHICH IS TO ME, IT'S THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING QUESTION.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED AND I THINK THE EFFORT TO EITHER FIX HIM OR REPLACE HIM, WHATEVER THE RIGHT ANSWER ENDS UP BEING NEEDS TO INCLUDE CITY PERSONNEL IN THAT BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF SOMEBODY FALLS OFTEN POPS HER HEAD OPEN, IT'S THE CITY THAT GETS SUED IT'S NOT THE PIRATES CLUB.
>> I THINK ARLENE IS RIGHT ON TRACK THIS WAY.
I'M THINKING, REGARDLESS OF WHICH PIRATE ENDS UP ON TOP OF THAT PEDESTAL, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE REVEALED TONIGHT ARE THAT THE PEDESTAL NEEDS SOME WORK TO HELP TOWARDS THE LONGEVITY AND THE SAFETY OF THE WHATEVER ENDS UP ON TOP OF IT.
THERE'S VALUABLE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPPED UP TONIGHT AND THEN LIKE THE LITTLE LIBRARY IDEA WHICH I HAPPEN TO LOVE THAT I THINK DESERVES SOME ATTENTION TO DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE CONTINUE IT.
LIKE, WHERE'S THE LIBRARY GO? HOW WAS THAT?
>> I'M ALSO NOT SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING THEIR PICTURES WITH HIM REALIZE THAT SOMEBODY ITS FINAL RESTING PLACE, WHICH- [OVERLAPPING]
>> MR. JORDAN, LET ME PROPOSE SOMETHING AS A CITY ENGINEER.
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LET ME TALK TO THE PARK CLUB GUYS THAT DID THE REPAIR AS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.I MEAN, THERE'S NEW PRODUCTS OUT THERE.
LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT IT SEE IF IT CAN BE RENOVATED ANOTHER TIME AND A GIVE A SHOUT OUT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE SURE APPRECIATE THAT.
>> TABLE. I BELIEVE IN OUR WORLD IT'S A CONTINUATION.
>> IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT BACK, YOU CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN OR IF YOU DON'T INTEND FOR IT TO COME BACK UNLESS THERE'S SOME EFFORT BY STAFF TABLE THAT.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
MR. FOREIGNER IS MOVING TO TABLE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS, EVERYONE. WE SURE APPRECIATE IT.
SOMETIMES IT'S THE SMALLEST SENSE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT. MOVING ON.
CASE 2023-0103. MY EYESIGHT IS FAILING,
[5.5 HDC 2023-0103 - FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY FERNANDINA BEACH, 25 N. 4TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to create a public seating area with landscape changes at the entry to the Fernandina Beach Public Library (Quasi- Judicial)]
SO IF I READ THE WRONG ITEM, PLEASE CORRECT ME.THIS IS FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY 25 MORE FOUR STREET.
YES. KELLY, DIRECTOR, WOULD YOU PLEASE?
>> YOU DON'T GET TO WALK ON DRIVING.
>> AGAIN, THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED, ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID, ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS THE BACKUP MATERIALS HAVE BEEN MADE PART OF THE RECORD THIS EVENING ALONG WITH THE PRESENTATION PROVIDED TONIGHT.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION INITIATED BY THE CITY ON BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS OF THE FRONT OF THE LIBRARY WHO ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK TO THEIR REQUESTED PROJECT.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROJECT IS LOOKING TO REFRESH THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE AREA THAT FRONTS THE ENTRY OF THE LIBRARY TO PROVIDE FOR A BRICK WALKWAY AND PAVER AREA, SOME UPDATED BENCHES AND SEATING, AND SOME NEW LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD HELP TO PROVIDE FOR MORE OF AN AMENITY OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY.
I KNOW THAT THE FRIENDS HAVE MORE DETAILS ON THE PRESENTATION AND THEIR THOUGHT BEHIND THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU.
AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE PUBLIC ART PIECE OF IT, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYTHING WE CAN RELY ON HERE TO PROVIDE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA.
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, THE MATERIALS PROPOSED AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED THROUGH BOTH MAIN STREET AS WELL AS OUR CITY MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, AND STORMWATER DEPARTMENT, FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE PROJECT ITSELF AS WELL AS WORKING TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THE TIMING OF IT WOULD WORK WELL WITH OTHER CITY PROJECTS.
WE'LL THROW THAT TO THE BOARD FOR YOUR DIRECTION.
>> THE VICE CHAIR SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE OVER.
>> SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. KELLY? [LAUGHTER]
>> KELLY, I JUST HAVE ONE TECHNICAL QUESTION.
I'M ASSUMING THAT ARE THERE PERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS REQUIREMENTS AND RIGHT-OF-WAY OR CALCULATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE DIRECTOR? WHOSE STAFF PERSON REPRESENTING? ARE YOU IN?
>> BUT YOUR STAFF THAT IS WE WON'T CALL ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE YOU'RE THE APPLICANT.
>> WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR [OVERLAPPING] HERE TO SPEAK TO THE MAIN AND PROVIDE A PRESENTATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> PLEASE COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
WE'RE GOING TO TREAT YOU AS THE APPLICANT TONIGHT.
>> THAT HAD FALLEN. [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]
>> JULIANA PINO, LIBRARY DIRECTOR, ADDRESS IS 910 VERNON STREET, FERNADINA BEACH.
THE WHOLE REASON THAT THIS CAME, FACE MY POWERPOINT, SORRY.
THE WHOLE REASON THAT THIS CAME TO BE IS WE HAD A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE INITIATED TWO YEARS AGO, WHERE IN THE SECOND YEAR OF THAT PLAN AND THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AND OVERARCHING LOOK OF OUR FACILITIES AND THE EXTERIOR LOCATIONS.
I GUESS IN THE OLD THIS WAS PRIOR TO MY TIME, BUT WHEN THE ORIGINAL LIBRARY WAS THERE, THERE WERE SOME LITTLE OUTDOOR SEATING SPACES THAT PEOPLE COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, ALL COURTYARDS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
WE STARTED LOOKING AROUND THE BUILDING STRUCTURES AND JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE MAYBE WE COULD FIND SOME MORE SPACE FOR COMFORTABLE PLACES WHERE PEOPLE COULD SIT.
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THEY COULD USE OUR WIFI THAT CAME UP WITH DURING COVID WHEN THE LIBRARY WAS CLOSED AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE NOT ABLE TO ENTER THE BUILDING.THAT'S WHERE THE BACKGROUND OF WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
IT WAS COMMUNITY REQUESTS FOR THEM.
I CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE IF YOU WANT TO KILL IT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT IT RIGHT THERE.
AFTER WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, WE WERE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS AND WHAT WE DECIDED TO FOCUS ON WAS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE WE FELT LIKE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT COMFORTABLE SPACE.
THEN ALONG THE LATERAL WALL STREET SIDE, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT COMPLAINTS FROM PATRONS, NOT ONLY OUR LIBRARY PATRONS, BUT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE ABOUT EXITING THEIR VEHICLES.
I'LL ACTUAL STREET WE HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT I CAN SHOW YOU.
THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE TO ACTUALLY THANK YOU.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE FRONT OF THE LIBRARY RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S ALL HELL FORGOTTEN OVERGROWN.
WE'VE DONE SOME CLEANING UP BALLS IT ALREADY.
BUT THIS IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THE NEW SEATING AREA GOES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MAINTAINING A LOT OF THESE BENCHES WERE DONATED DURING I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY I WASN'T HERE, BUT I THINK IT WAS DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION ON THE LIBRARY 10 YEARS AGO.
OUR INTENT IS TO EITHER REFURBISH THEM OR TO KEEP THE NAME PLAQUES AND MOVE THOSE INTO THE EXISTING NEW SPACE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE KELLY, THANK YOU.
HERE'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT COMING OUT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S A DRAIN, STORMWATER DRAIN, I BELIEVE IS HERE.
WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE PUT SOME A WALKWAY OVER THAT WITH THE TERMS. THE WOOD IT'S NOT REALLY WOOD, I WROTE THE COMPOSITE.
THANK YOU, YES. COMPOSITE OVER THERE LEADING INTO THE SEATING AREA.
WE THEN HAVE BREAKS IN THIS AREA TO MIMIC WHAT THE LIBRARY BUILDING.
TRY TO MIMIC THAT LOOKS SO IT MATCHES THE LIBRARY.
THE BIG TREE OF COURSE, WOULD STAY IN PLACE AS WITH THE CREPE MYRTLE, WHICH IS ON THIS SIDE.
THEN JUST MAYBE A COUPLE OF BENCHES HERE AND HERE ALONG WITH A LITTLE TABLE HERE AND HERE.
THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT USING SOME A HOLLY.
YOU PAN HOLLY AND MAINTAINING IT TO ABOUT THREE.
YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT A GARDENER CAME TO.
I KEEP LOOKING AT MARGARET, MY MASTER GARDENER OVER THERE.
THAT WOULD BE KEPT TO THREE-FOOT AND HEIGHT JUST TO CREATE A LITTLE VISUAL BREAK FROM THE STREETS SO PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE ON THE STREET.
THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE LIBRARY.
BEFORE MAYBE WE GO ONTO THE NEXT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, BUT DID YOU WANT TO HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE BEFORE WE LOOK AT THE LATCH WILL SIGN, IS THERE SOME QUESTIONS?
>> QUESTIONS? PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
>> YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION FROM THE SIDEWALK INTO THE BRICK? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DRAIN.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE LEVEL. ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
>> THERE'S NO RAMP. IT WILL JUST BE FLAT, JUST HOVERING BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO WITH THAT DRAIN THAT WAS THERE BECAUSE OF ROOF DRAINS INTO THAT.
YEAH, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT ERIC SIGN ON [OVERLAPPING].
HE SAID HE'S ON HIS OTHER TWO JUSTICES POYNTER, BY THE WAY. [LAUGHTER]
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE FURNITURE PIECES.
YOU'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THE BENCHES AT LEAST?
>> ARE THE LIKE THE TABLE AND THEN THE OTHER LITTLE SEATING GROUP ON THE OTHER SIDE OR THOSE PENDING DECISIONS DOWN THE ROAD?
>> THEY'RE PENDING, BUT WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GOING TO BE CONCRETE SO THAT WE HAVE CONCRETE TABLE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EASILY AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT IT TO WALK OFF.
THE INTENTION IS TO HAVE IT BE CONCRETE AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ABOUT THAT PART IS THAT IT HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE CONCRETE.
>> I LIKE THAT YOU'VE ESSENTIALLY CREATED SOME LITTLE ROOMS OUTSIDE.
I THINK IT PROBABLY IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA FOR USING THIS [INAUDIBLE]
>> THANK YOU. WE'RE HOPING SO AND ERIC WAS A HUGE PART.
WE HAD THE VISION ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO ACHIEVE BUT FROM WHAT THE PATRONS AND THE PUBLIC WERE SAYING, BUT WE WEREN'T SURE EXACTLY HOW TO GET THERE.
>> YES, BECAUSE IT'S WASTED SPACE.
[NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ANYMORE.
>> IT DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING AND IT REALLY DOESN'T NECESSARILY SIGNIFY THAT THIS IS A LIBRARY SPACE.
A LOT OF TIMES IN THE BIGGER CITIES WHEN YOU GO, AND WE HAVE THESE BIG SIGNS IN PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND WE HAVE A GREAT SIGN ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL BE A GREAT SPACE FOR OUR PATRONS TO BE ABLE TO GO AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE ALSO.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS GOOD THOUGHT OF MAINTAINING THE EXISTING DRAINAGE COLLECTION BOX THERE.
I'M ASSUMING, ERIC, THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY DRAINAGE FROM ALL OF THAT NEW SURFACE AREA WON'T PUDDLE OR POOL ANYWHERE AND IT WILL POSITIVELY FLOW INTO THE BOX.
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>> YES. WE DID HAVE ON THE CITY CAME OUT, WE HAD SOME WATER THERE AND THEY ALL CAME AND WE WENT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WENT OVER THAT WE'RE GOING OVER WITH YOU TONIGHT AND WE GOT THE BUY-OFF [NOISE] FROM THAT.
>> BEEN TO TRC? WE'RE NOT THAT FAR.
>> IT HAS NOT BEEN TO TRC. THIS PROJECT IS NOT [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL, SO IT DOESN'T GO. COOL.
>> I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT ON THIS, IT RELATES TO THE OTHER AREAS.
THERE'S ONE AREA THAT I NOTED THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING IN COONTIE PALMS. THEN IN THIS AREA, YOU RECOMMEND TAKING UP THE COONTIE PALMS. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, BUT CAN THEY CAN THEY BE TRANSPLANTED? CAN YOU REUSE THEM?
>> THE INTENTION IS IF MARGARET WANTS TO COME UP, SHE CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN ME, BUT THE PLAN IS TO USE THE COONTIE IN ANOTHER AREA AND TO MOVE IT.
>> BECAUSE THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL.
>> THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TOO.
>> NO. BECAUSE THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, THEY JUST ARE SO BIG.
THEY JUST CAN'T STAY WHERE THEY'RE AT.
>> YOU WERE GOING TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATERAL?
>> YES, IF YOU WOULD. THIS ONE, OF COURSE, IS GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT YOU DECIDE ON MAIN STREET AS FAR AS THE SURFACING GOES.
THIS ONE IS JUST A HEADS-UP THAT THIS MIGHT BE COMING.
YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, ON THE COURSE, OR THE PARALLEL PARKING HERE.
>> TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE CAR.
>> YEAH. WHEN PEOPLE ARE STEPPING OUT OF THEIR CAR, REALLY THERE'S NOTHING BUT DIRT AND MUD THERE ALONG WITH THE PALM TREES.
WHEN IT'S RAINING, IT'S REALLY QUITE A MESS.
>> BUT CHARLIE JUST GAVE ME THE HEADS UP THAT THE REDESIGN FOR DOWNTOWN WILL INCLUDE.
I'LL LOOK AT THAT STREET AND WILL SHARE THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> JUST REAL QUICKLY. THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION OR A REFRESHMENT, HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH STRUCTURED AVENUES GOING FROM PARKING TO THE SIDEWALKS.
PART OF THE PLAN IS TO GET ALL OF THOSE WORKED OUT.
>> THAT'S WONDERFUL. WE WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER IF IT WORKS INTO THE LOOK OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AREA, IS DOING SOME TYPE OF BRICK LAYER.
JUST SO WE HAVE THAT CONTINUITY OF ARCHITECTURE BETWEEN THE FRONT WALKWAY IF THAT GETS APPROVED AS WELL AS THE LIBRARY BUILDING.
>> WE WILL ADVISE YOU TO KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THE INITIAL DESIGN PLAN THAT COMES OUT OF THE CITY'S CONSULTANT FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION.
SAY FORGET YOUR BRICK OR TO MANAGE YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU REMIND THEM TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
>> QUESTIONS? [OVERLAPPING] YES PLEASE ARLENE.
>> AGAIN, THANKS TO THE LIBRARY FOR RAISING FUNDS FOR BRICKS TO GO DOWN.
ANOTHER GIFT TO THE CITY, IS THIS AN AREA THAT WOULD BE CONTINUED TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OR WOULD THAT BE?
THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE LIBRARIES.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0103, FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY.
HEARING NO ONE, WE'LL GO INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU, ERIC. MUCH APPRECIATED. BOARD MEMBERS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0103 WITHOUT CONDITIONALS, AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, PART OF THE RECORD, HDC CASE 2023-0103.
I PRESENT THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD JUST ADD PROBABLY BE A GOOD PLACE FOR A LITTLE LIBRARY.
>> THE LIBRARY NEXT TO THE BIG LIBRARY? [LAUGHTER]
>> THEN ROLL CALLING. MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
[5.6 HDC 2023-0106 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 0 FRONT STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to improve waterfront lots C + D. (Quasi-Judicial)]
2023-0106, THIS IS THE PARKING LOTS C&D DISCUSSION WHICH AS I UNDERSTAND HAS BEEN THROUGH TRC.IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE CRA BOARD, AND WE'RE GETTING A REPORT BACK ON HOW THIS PROCESS IS GOING FORWARD. DIRECTOR.
AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, OUR FEES HAVE BEEN PAID, ALL NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE AND THE APPLICATION HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE COMPLETE.
THIS EVENING, THE BOARD IS BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER IMPROVEMENTS FOR PARKING LOT AREAS LOCATED WITHIN OUR CRA REDEVELOPMENT AREA ALONG LOTS IDENTIFIED AS WATERFRONT LOTS, C&D AS PEOPLE TYPICALLY SEE THEM.
BUT OFTEN THE TERMINUS AREA BOAT RAMP OVER TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
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THE PLAN IS TO CONSTRUCT SOME ADDITIONAL BOAT TRAILER PARKING AS WELL AS GOLF CART PARKING AND ADDITIONAL DELINEATED AUTO VEHICLE SPACES FOR THIS AREA, PICKING UP SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE IN AS PART OF THE DESIGN AND RECONFIGURATION AND ADDING IN CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONCEPTUALLY REVIEWED BY BOTH THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD AND OUR PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AND DETERMINED TO BE FAVORABLE.I KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS OF CERTAIN AREAS HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY FLESHED OUT, BUT WITHIN THIS PLAN IS THE GENERAL ALIGNMENT, THE LOCATION OF THAT PARKING, AND PREDOMINANTLY, THE CURBING THAT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED TO SUPPORT THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE AREA.
IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL AS THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES PROVIDED.
WE ISSUE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
>> I'M NOTING HERE ON PAGE 3 OF THE APPLICATION THAT IT RETAINS ITS DESIGNATION AS INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT LAND-USE AREA, IT CONSERVES PANORAMIC VIEWS OF THE RIVER, IT GUARANTEES PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE RIVER, AND IT SUPPORTS MARINE FUNCTIONS, DAILY PUBLIC USE ESPECIALLY.
BOARD MEMBERS, QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.
>> I HAVE ONE. KELLY, ON THE BOAT RAMP, THE ACCESS TO THE BOAT RAMP, DOES IT ASSUME THAT THE PARKING SPACES NEXT TO THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, DO THEY GO AWAY?
>> I'LL ASK MR. GEORGE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'LL ASK MR. GEORGE TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HIMSELF ON RECORD.
>> GEORGE, CITY ENGINEER OF THE BOAT RAMP AREA.
AS FAR AS THE WATERFRONT RESERVE REDESIGN IT'S GOING TO OCCUR, WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM THREE LANES TO TWO WIDER LANES, AND THEN SOME OF THAT PARKING WILL BE REDISTRIBUTED INTO THIS AREA.
>> THE PARKING SPACES RIGHT NEXT TO THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, THEY WILL BE ELIMINATED.
>> THAT WOULD BE THE LENGTH OF THE BOAT RAMP.
>> YOU'LL STILL HAVE FIVE ON THEM.
>> YOU HAVE THE GOLF CARTS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE?
>> I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS, CHARLIE.
DOES THIS PLAN REFLECT THE TRC NOTES AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY PUT FORTH?
THEN KELLY MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL BOAT TRAILER PARKING, BUT ON THIS PLAN IT SAYS THAT IT STAYS THE SAME.
IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE FLATNESS?
>> THE ORIENTATION STAYS THE SAME BUT WE ARE ADDING SOMETHING.
>> YES. IT COULD BE A BOAT RAMP, IT COULD BE TRAVEL DOCK.
>> THEN LASTLY, IT SAYS EXPANDS USABLE PUBLIC GREEN SPACE BY 27%.
CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THAT WOULD BE?
>> WELL, BASICALLY WALKS YOU RIGHT NOW IS YOU COULD PARK UP IN HERE, SO WE'RE PULLING THIS BACK.
SOME OF THIS AREA, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAN THIS UP, SO IT WILL BE MORE DESIGNATED GREEN SPACE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT.
>> WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR OWN TIME.
>> I DID HAVE ONE OTHER THINGS THAT I KNOW A LOT OF THE VOTERS HAVE HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
THE TURNAROUND WITH A TRAILER WAS NOT POSSIBLE.
DO WE HAVE A WIDER TURNING RADIUS?
>> YES. IF YOU LOOK. RIGHT NOW THIS STUFF GOES THAT WAY, CLEANING THIS UP, SO WE HAVE MUCH MORE ROOMS GO OUT OR COME THIS WAY AND [INAUDIBLE]
>> MOTOR MYSELF, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THE EXISTING FACILITIES AT THE BOARD, THE PARKING SPACES FOR THE TRAILERS ARE ALWAYS TAKEN BY TWO CARS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SIGNING.
>> YOU CAN'T HAVE A VOTE AT [INAUDIBLE]
>> WHAT DOES THE FUTURE OF ATLANTIC SEAFOOD? WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THIS PLAN?
>> IT'S NOT GOTTEN VERY FAR, BUT THE GOAL IS THAT IT WOULD BE OVER IN THIS AREA SOMEWHERE, SO YOU HAVE A MINIMAL EFFECT ON THE WHOLE THING.
>> YES. IT WAS GIVEN HAPPENS IT GOES THAT WAY.
>> IS THEIR BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT?
>> WE STILL GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE BECAUSE THERE'S FEATURES THAT BOTH CRAB AND PARKS AND REC DONATED.
WE HAVEN'T RUN THE ESTIMATES ON THAT YET.
THERE'S MONEY IN DIFFERENT FUNDS, WE JUST GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.
>> DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT THE PRIORITY OF THIS WORK IS?
>> RIGHT NOW, THE COMMISSIONERS INSTRUCTED STAFF TO GET THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING DONE.
THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT THIS WEEK, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE AS FAR AS WHERE THE NEXT STEP IS.
>> THERE'S BEEN NO DECISION MADE ABOUT ANY FURTHER ENHANCEMENTS TO THIS AREA?
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>> THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION BY OUR NEW CITY MANAGER FOR A NAME AND I THINK WE SHOULD CALL OUT ONE PIGS FLY PARK.
>> WE'RE MOVING ON. ACTUALLY, THESE INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS SEEMED TO BE HAPPENING SINCE MR. GEORGE GOT HERE.
I WAS ON THE RIVER WALK YESTERDAY.
ANY OTHER? IF NOT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THAT FAIR? IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 0106, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME.
PERIOD KNOWN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOVING TO BOARD DISCUSSION BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
EVERYBODY HAS WORKED HARD ON THIS.
I'VE WATCHED THEIR MEETINGS AND THEIR BACK-AND-FORTH AND NORMALLY I LIKE A BIG PLAN AND THEN YOU BITE OFF A LITTLE AT A TIME BUT THESE ARE SMALL, INCREMENTAL CHANGES THAT I THINK ARE IMPROVEMENTS AND I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN ANY MAJOR PUSH BACK FROM DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY ON THIS.
THERE'S NOTHING MAJORLY CONTROVERSIAL, SO I'M GOOD.
>> THAT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE LEADING UP TO MOTION.
>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? [NOISE] LET'S SEE.
>> THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US IN A LOOP, DIRECTOR.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC CASE NUMBER 2023-0106 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I KNOW THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS A FACT IN CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THAT HDC CASE 2023-106, AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LABELED OUT IN CODE AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
POZZETTA, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>>MS. SILLY, PLEASE CALL THE ROW
[5.7 HDC 2023-0102 - TAMMI KOSACK, 322 N. 3RD STREET Historic District Preservation Property Tax Exemption (Part 3). (Quasi-Judicial)]
KOSACK 322 NORTH THIRD STREET.WE PREVIEWED THIS CASE LAST MONTH WITH THE DOCUMENTATION RELATIVE TO WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? TAX EXEMPTION?
>> IT'S A CREDIT AGAINST ONLY YOUR CITY TAXES UP TO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU WOULD OWE BASED UPON THE CHANGED EVALUATION AS A RESULT OF THE CALCULATIONS SET MS. KOSACK HAS PROVIDED. DIRECTOR?
>> YES. I'LL BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE.
THIS IS FOR A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR A LONG TIME.
>> AT 322 NORTH THIRD STREET AND THE APPLICATION AND FEES AND NOTICES IF ALL BEEN COMPLETED, CONSISTENT WITH THE CITIES ORDINANCES ESTABLISHING THE ABILITY TO APPLY FOR A TENURE PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION ON THE SITE IN EXCHANGE FOR PROTECTIVE COVENANT ON THE PROPERTY FOR THAT SAME 10-YEAR TIME FRAME.
THE STRUCTURE HAS TO BE FOUND TO BE WITH A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT IT IS.
IT DOES MEET ALL OF THE STATUTORY AND MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING HAVING COMPLETED OUR PRE APPLICATION MEETING UNDER PART 1, AND THE DESCRIPTION OF ALL VERY DETAILED IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED BOTH INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE, AND THAT THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE TAX EXEMPTION.
AS PART OF THE PROCESS, IT DOES GO TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL FIRST FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THEN IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE REVIEWED FOR CONSIDERATION AND ACCEPTING OF THE COVENANT THAT WILL BE TIED TO THIS PROPERTY FOR THAT TIME FRAME.
THIS EVENING, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN SPEAK IN GREAT DETAIL TO IT.
WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A LOT OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS TOGETHER AT OUR LAST MEETING.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE DIRECTOR.
>> I THINK I JUST HAD A COMMENT THAT I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW THOROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTATION IS IN HERE AND THE VALUE I SEE AND THAT IS IN THE FUTURE WHEN SOMEBODY LOOKS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND THIS IS HOW YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AND DOCUMENT AND PRESENT IT.
I'VE FOUND A LOT OF VALUE IN THAT FOR FUTURE PEOPLE WHO MAY WANT TO DO THE SAME TYPE OF THING.
>> YEAH. EXHAUSTIVE DOCUMENTATION IS MOST HELPFUL TO JUSTIFY THE EXEMPTION,
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AND I CHECKED YOUR MATH [LAUGHTER] AND I GOT TIRED.THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
BUDGET GUY WANTS TO KNOW THE NUMBERS YOU'RE WRITING. TIM.
>> I JUST SAY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS.
>> WE'RE GOOD. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST APPROVE THIS.
>> WE SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COMMENT UPON CASE HDC 2023-0102.
SEEING NO ONE ARISING, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
LET'S SEE HERE, DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE PACKAGE?
>> THERE IS NOT EMOTION WITHIN THE PACKAGE.
THIS EVENING, YOU WOULD BE ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION.
>> TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO APPROVE DRAFT RESOLUTION KOSACK TAX EXEMPTION?
>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
>> COME UP. YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> TAMMI KOSACK, 322 NORTH THIRD.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION OUT THERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE I'M NOT PAYING TAXES ON THIS.
IT'S REALLY TINY BIT UP THE CITY TAXES, IT'S FRANKLY NOT WORTH THAT.
IT'LL BE THE FIRST STRUCTURE AND I DID IT FOR POSTERITY TO REALLY PRESERVE THIS.
IF ANYTHING, IT'S A BURDEN ON MY HEART BECAUSE IT PUTS A 10-YEAR CLOUDED DEED ON IT.
BASICALLY, IF I SELL IT, [NOISE] THAT MEANS I'M GOING TO KEEP IT JUST THE WAY IT IS.
WITH PRESERVING ITS LIKE LITTLE TIME CAPSULE SO IT'S REALLY FOR THE CITY AND FOR OUR HISTORY THAT I DID THIS.
>> SAVING, WHAT SHE'S GETTING WOULDN'T PAY FOR A WINDOW.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND. I SAID THAT IN A SECOND.
THAT'S ESCLUSA, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE MS. SILLY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> THANK YOU. DIRECTOR, WE'RE MOVING INTO BOARD DISCUSSION ON SOMERUELUS AS POSSIBLE, NOT SOMERUELUS STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND MAYBE BEFORE WE'RE DONE, WE'LL ALL KNOW HOW TO SPELL SOMERUELUS DESIGN [OVERLAPPING].
>> DIRECTOR, ARE YOU LEADING THIS DISCUSSION OR [OVERLAPPING]
[6.1 BOARD DISCUSSION]
>> ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO RELY ON [OVERLAPPING]
>> JEREMIAH, PLEASE [INAUDIBLE]
>> JEREMIAH [INAUDIBLE] OPERATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY AND WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES HERE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BY THIS VISUAL SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
OF COURSE SOMERUELUS STREET WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS LITTLE PORTION HERE THAT'S UNIMPROVED ROAD WITHIN THE OLD TOWN GRID, IT'S THAT NARROW LITTLE PIECE THAT SPARKS THERE.
WHAT WAS MINIMAL TRAFFIC UP UNTIL RECENTLY SO THE ROAD IS THE STANDARD WIDTH, THE REST OF SOMERUELUS HEADING TO THE WEST AND WE HAVE THIS ONE LITTLE PORTION HERE THAT WE WOULD LIKE SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT TONIGHT.
>> CORRECT. YES, EASTERN NEW STREET.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PLAN ON DOING AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA IS TO REGRADE AND BRING THAT WHOLE MUDDY DIRT ROAD INTO THE SAME MATERIAL THAT WE USE IN THE REST OF OLD TOWN COQUINA SHELL.
THAT'D BE ONE AREA THERE THAT WE WOULD DO THAT TOO BECAUSE OF THAT NARROW WIDTH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
SOME OF THE THE OWNERS THERE HAVE A BOAT, FULL OF TRAILER, AND IT'S NARROW AS IT IS.
YOU'VE GOT A 12 FOOT WIDTH IN SOME PLACES.
NOT ALLOWING THAT PORTION TO BE TWO-WAY LIKE THE REST OF OLD TOWN, BUT TO CONVERT THAT TO ONE WAY, PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE A CHANGE TO THE TERMINATION POINT THERE WHERE IT ENDS AT THE EASTERNMOST POINT NEAR THE CEMETERY AND WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT WORK HERE.
NOW WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE HERE NEXT MONTH. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
JUST UP OR ANOTHER VISUAL HERE, THIS IS SOMERUELUS LOOKING EAST AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU GO FOR YOUR STANDARD 20, BUT WIDTH TO A MEANDERING, LIKE I SAID, 12-14, 16 FOOT WIDTH THERE, WHERE IT COMES OUT RIGHT THERE BY 14TH STREET AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW YOU JUST THAT.
WE HAVE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING HERE.
OF COURSE, WE'VE SEEN NEW CEMETERY FENCE AND GOING IN AND LOOKS GREAT.
THE LAST PIECE, SOME OF THE GATES WILL BE GOING ALONG THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT THAT WELL, BUT OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE THAT'S WHERE IT'S A DIGITAL RENDERING WHERE THAT FENCE WILL CONTINUE.
DUE TO THE LIFT STATION THAT WAS PUT THERE YEARS AGO IN THAT RIGHT-OF-WAY.
THE ROAD NOW PRETTY MUCH RUNS OVER IT SO THE INTENT IS TO PULL THAT OVER,
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TRYING TO WORK AROUND THAT TREE BEST WE CAN, AS WE'LL DISCUSS, WE'VE GOT BOATS AND TRUCKS AND TRAILERS, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THAT TREE THERE.WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT ONCE THAT FITS GOES IN, WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT EXIT POINT THERE IN THE LIFT STATION, KEEP THE TRAFFIC OFF THAT, PULL IT OVER FURTHER TOWARD THE DEFENSE THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN SO WE'LL REMOVE THAT TREE AS THE LAST RESORT IF WE HAVE TO, BUT WE'RE TRYING NOT TO.
THIS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE ALONG SOMERUELUS, WE HAD THIS CURRENTLY EXISTING UNPERMITTED PARKING PAD ENCROACHING INTO THE TRAVEL LANE AND THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE BOARD IS GUIDANCE ON WHERE TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF ON RIGHT-OF-WAY BUMP OUT PARKING.
YOU HAVE DELIVERIES, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING FROM AMAZON, UPS DELIVERY, A VISITOR MAY STOP BY.
THE NEXT SLIDE WE'LL PROVIDE SOME IDEAS THAT HAVE COME TO THAT STATUS GENERATED TO BRING TO YOU TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE.
AS I MENTIONED, THE SOMERUELUS STREET BE GRADED IMPROVED WITH COQUINA AND MATCH REST OF OLD TOWN.
THERE'S CONCERN THAT THE STREET IS NARROW AND THERE'S NO ON STREET PARKING THAT EXIST.
YOU CAN'T PARK IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PER SECTION 78-73 BUT A POTENTIAL SOLUTION WOULD BE TO UTILIZE CLEARED SPACES FOR ACCOUNTS STRATEGIC BUMP OUTS THERE TO THE SOUTH OF SOMERUELUS, PRETTY MUCH WHAT BORDERS CEMETERY PROPERTY FOR TEMPORARY PARKING AND THE NEXT SLIDE.
>> YOU MEAN SHORT-TERM PARKING?
>> YOU GET BACK TO BACK. THIS IS APPLICABLE ORDINANCES THAT NEED TO BE REFERENCED.
GO BACK KELLY, THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLE WHEN WE HAVE A FEW OF THESE OF SOME CLEARED AREAS THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THERE HAVE MAINTAINED.
DONE FOR OVER THE YEARS KEPT KNOCKED DOWN SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE.
IT'S BEEN INVOLVED THIS PROJECT AND THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR HERE AS WELL, SHOULD WE HAVE HAVING QUESTIONS ON WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE TO FILTER THROUGH TO HDC AND WHAT WE CAN DO SO SENSITIVE AREA AND HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE IT WORK BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
>> JEREMIAH, WHAT'S THE NEW WIDTH THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING?
>> YES, NOT [OVERLAPPING] WIDENING.
KEEPING THAT AS IS JUST PROVIDING IMPROVED LITTLE BUMP OUT PARKING IS AN OPTION.
>> WHEN YOU SAY PUMP OUT, IT'S WHERE THE ROAD ACTUALLY.
>> IT WOULD GET WIDER AT THE BUMP OUT?
>> THE TRAVEL LANE IS NOT GOING TO GET- THE RECENT MEANDERS IS A LOT OF ESTABLISHED TREES THERE.
TO WIDEN IT AND TO STRAIGHTEN IT LIKE THE REST OF THE OLD TOWN GRID, YOU'RE GOING IN THERE AND RIPPING OUT A LOT OF ESTABLISHED TREES AND WE DON'T WANT DO THAT.
>> FOLKS WILL BE PAID JUST LIKE THE STREET WITH A COCONUT.
>> THAT'S AN OPTION AS TO WHERE IT'S ALREADY BEEN TRAMPLED DOWN FROM CONTRACTORS AND WHATNOT TO PROVIDE THAT [INAUDIBLE] MACHINE THERE, LEAVE IT AS IS, JUST KEEP IT MOWED DOWN.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE HERE.
>> THE ADVANTAGE OF PUTTING SHELL DOWN IS IT TELLS PEOPLE THIS IS A SPOT WHERE YOU CAN PUT.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH DID YOU TALK TO THE COMMUNITY? DID I SEE SOMEONE HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY?
>> YEAH. EVERYONE HERE ON THIS THIRD ROW WE'VE TAUGHT YOU AND MET WITH AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH.
[LAUGHTER] I KNOW THEY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON DISCUSSION.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THAN OUR PRIMARY AND A NUMBER ONE RESPONSIBILITY IN GOVERNMENT IS TO TAKE CARE OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WHEN I'M OVER TIM'S DRINKING A BEER IN A HEART ATTACK ON THE PORCH, THAT THE EMS AND GET THE BUS DOWN THE LINE.
CAN EMS HIT THE BUS DOWN THE LINE?
>> AS IS WITH THE 12TH FOOT WIDTH? YEAH. YES. IT'S THIS TIME.
>> WHEN YOU'RE DONE WILL THEY BE ABLE TO [INAUDIBLE]?
>> YES, THAT'S THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS TEMPORARY PARKING THAT'S ALLOWED, IT'S NOT GOING TO THE EFFECT OF TRAVELING BECAUSE WITH VEHICLES IN THAT PAD THAT WAS THERE EARLIER THAT RIGHT NOW, [OVERLAPPING] YOU GOT GARBAGE TRUCKS, YOU GOT AMAZON UPS DELIVERIES, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL COME THROUGH THERE.
>> DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DRIVING OVER THE LIFT STATION OR A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO THE LIFT STATION?
>> IT'S OVER THE YEARS THAT HAS HAPPENED, THERE'S SOME SUPERFICIAL DAMAGE TO THE LIFT STATIONS.
>> THAT'S THE OLD TIME LIFT STATION?
>> OKAY. CAN YOU GUESS IT COMES OUT THERE?
>> AS SOON AS WE START THIS, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THAT.
THE LOCALS, THEY SAY AWAY FROM IT, THOSE THAT ARE OUT THERE.
>> THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> EXPLORING, OR THEY MAY NOT.
>> WELL, BECAUSE IT TERMINATES IT SEPARATELY.
[OVERLAPPING] BY THE WAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE STREET IS NOT ON THE ORIGINAL 18, 11 FLAT.
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IT IS ON THE MAP THAT WAS DONE IN 1937.BUT IT SHOWS IT AS A STRAIGHT LINE, WHICH LEADS ME TO THINK THAT IT REALLY WASN'T THERE. THEY JUST DREW IT IN.
YES, IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE GRID IN OLDER TOWN.
BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL SPANISH GROUP, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. I CERTAINLY COULD BE WRONG.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, JEREMIAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT AND ATTEMPTS HERE.
ANDREA IS HERE. OTHERS MAY WISH TO COMMENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO BE TIMED TO COME ON UP.
>> DO YOU WANT ANYTIME YOU WANT HE KEPT MR. CHAIR?
>> TIM, GRADE 11, 19, SOMEWHERE ELSE STREET.
FIRST OF ALL, I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL BEEN THROWN UNDER THE TABLE ON THIS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, UNTIL I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
WELL, NOT ME MY WIFE IS THE RESEARCHER.
BUT I ACTUALLY WENT DOWN TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND SPOKE WITH HIM AND I ASKED TO TALK TO SOMEBODY IN CHARGE AND GUY I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS RIGHT WAS BUT I EXPLAINED AS PARKING PAD TO HIM AND I SAID, THERE WAS THREE CITY EMPLOYEES AND THERE WAS TWO VEHICLES PARKED IN HIS PAD AND YOU COULDN'T GET AN F250 THROUGH LET ALONE FIRE TRUCK.
ANYWAY, MAKE LONG STORY SHORT, HE COME OUT AND I PARKED MY TRUCK TO IN-DEPTH PAD ON THE EAST SIDE AND I SAID TO HIM, HERE IT IS CAN YOU GET THROUGH THERE? I SAID IF IS NO GOOD WHEN MY HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
I THINK AT THE TIME, THE FELLOW THOUGHT THAT THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER.
WHEN HE FOUND OUT THAT IT WAS OWNED BY THE CITY, HE STARTED TAKING PICTURES AND HE SAID I'M SENDING THIS TO THE FIRE MARSHAL, SO THAT DEAL RIGHT THERE.
>> I THINK WE HEARD JEREMIAH SAYING HE IS GONE AWAY BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.
[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] THAT'S GOING AWAY.
YES. BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS RIGHT HERE.
I GOT A BUNCH OF PICTURES ON MY PHONE.
JUST LOOK AT THAT, YOU DON'T SEE ANY MORE GREEN THERE. IT LOOKS AWFUL.
BUT ANYWAY, THE OTHER PICTURE THAT YOU HAD UP THERE BEFORE THAT SHOW DOWN SOMERUELUS STREET IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'VE CUT THAT FOR LIKE THE PAST 4.5 YEARS. I TOOK CARE OF THAT.
I NEVER ASKED THE CITY TAKE CARE, I TOOK CARE OF IT.
EVERY TIME THAT GARBAGE TRUCK WOULD COME IN AS ROAD AND TEAR IT UP.
WHO WENT DOWN, YOU'RE FIX THIS? ME. I NEVER CALLED THE CITY, I WENT DOWN THERE AND FIXED IT.
I DON'T MEAN TO STEP ON ANY TOES, BUT THERE'S ONLY TWO HOMES ON THAT ROAD THAT USE THAT ROAD AS ACCESS TO GET TO THEIR HOMES.
THAT'S MYSELF AND MY NEIGHBOR.
I REMEMBER THIS PARTICULAR HOME THAT PUT THE PARKING PAD IN [INAUDIBLE] CAMILLO SAYING YOU WILL ACCESS THE PROPERTY FROM THE BACK THROUGH AN EASY [OVERLAPPING] REMEMBER THAT?
>> AS FAR AS THE BUMP OUT PARKING, I GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT FOR IT.
I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT FOR IT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I'M FOR, I'M FOR MAKING NO-PARK.
THERE'S TWO HOMES ON THAT ROAD, THAT'S IT.
I'D LIKE TO READ SOMETHING HERE, THE LAST SENTENCE OUT OF THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES, OFF STREET PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTS PER THE LDC.
I CAN'T HELP IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PARK, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU BUY THAT LAW.
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YOU NEED TO WORK WITH THE CITY 100% AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SCREEN.
>> TELL US WHEN YOU GET TO THE RIGHT ONE, SIR.
THIS IS WHAT USED TO BE ALL UP AND DOWN SOMEWHERE ELSE UNTIL TRAILER WAS JUST BACKED IN THERE.
AND I ASKED THE CITY IF I COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST BACK A TRAILER AND ERROR, JUST CAVE EVERYTHING OVER, MAKE MYSELF A NICE PLACE OVER THERE AND ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND WHOEVER ELSE, I'M NOT A TREE HUGGER, BUT I GOT TO LOOK AT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR FOR ANY DEVELOPER, ANY DEVELOPER, TO COME INTO AN AREA, BUILD A HOUSE TO SELL.
THEN THE RESIDENTS HAS TO PUT UP WITH WHAT IS LEFT. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THIS WHOLE THING, AND LET'S JUST TELL IT LIKE IT IS, THIS WHOLE THING IS COMING TO LIGHT BECAUSE OF THIS PARKING PAD.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT FOR BUMP OUT PARKING.
ONCE AGAIN, OFF STREET PARKING IS REQUIRED FOR RESIDENTS PER THE LDC.
>> EXCUSE ME, BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOESN'T HAVE ANY PARKING OTHER THAN THAT BUMP THAT UP PARKING BEHIND THE HOUSE?
>> BEHIND THE HOUSE. THAT'S FAIR PARKING BECAUSE YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT THAT LAND.
>> YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU BOUGHT THAT LAND.
LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT FOR BUMP OUT PARKING AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON OUR STREET IS UNREASONABLE.
IF SOMEBODY WAS ONE TO RUN THEIR GROCERIES IN THE HOUSE, SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING THEM ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BACK, BECAUSE I WANT TO TELL YOU, WE PUT UP WITH A LOT ON THAT STREET IN THE PAST YEAR.
TRUST ME. WE'VE PUT UP WITH A LOT.
WE'VE PUT UP WITH OUR TRASH NOT BEING PICKED UP BECAUSE THE ROADS BLOCKED. BECAUSE THE ROAD'S BLOCKED.
JUST WITHIN THE PAST PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, THREE WEEKS OR SO A MONTH.
I TOLD MY WIFE I WAS GOING TO AUTO PARTS STORE, GO OUT TO GO OFF THE ROAD, THE ROAD'S BLOCKED.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE BAD PART IS? TO COME OUT THERE WITH HER ATTITUDE, BACK THEIR VEHICLE UP IN THEIR TRAILER? I WANT TO GO DOWN AND THE AUTO PARTS STORE AND WHEN I COME BACK IT'S BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
>> LET ME ASK YOU, TIM, IS YOUR CONCERN THAT IF WE PUT BUMP OUT PARKING, THEIR SHORT-TERM TEMPORARY PARKING, THAT IT'S GOING TO TURN INTO FULL-TIME PARKING.
>> CAN I SHOW YOU MY CONCERN HERE.
>> WE'RE NOT IN A QUASI JUDICIAL FORMAT RIGHT NOW.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU MY CONCERN.
HERE'S SOME OF MY CONCERN FOLKS.
>> THAT'S HAPPENING WITHOUT BUMP OUTS.
WHAT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE IT ONCE THE HOUSE IS FINISHED?
>> WAS THERE ANY OTHER VACANT PROPERTY ON THAT STREET THAT CAN BE BUILT OUT AT THIS TIME?
>> TIM, WE GET YOU. I THINK WE UNDERSTAND YOU.
ARE THE ANY OTHER CONCERNS OTHER THAN THE BUMP OUT GROUPS?
>> THERE'S ONE OTHER CONCERN IS THAT DITCH BEING FILLED IN? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THIS OR NOT.
>> WE DIDN'T DISCUSS IT. JIM. WRITE THAT ON THE TABLE TONIGHT.
>> IS THAT GOING TO BE DISCUSSED?
>> THAT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE CLEAR THAT THOSE THAT NEEDS TO BE RETURNED TO ITS ORIGINAL [OVERLAPPING], THIS IS THE NEW ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THEY TOOK OVER THE RIGHT ONE.
>> WE EVEN ADDRESSED THAT DRAINAGE DITCH WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE US TO MAINTAIN.
>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I'M NOT OPPOSED TO MAKING A BIG FRENCH DRAIN.
I'M NOT OPPOSED TO I'M NOT TRYING TO I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY DOES ON HER PROPERTY.
BUT ONE OF THE EFFECTS THAT I CAN SHOW YOU A FEW MORE PICTURES OF THE RAIN, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE POOLING, BLOW YOUR MIND.
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ME PERSONALLY, I'M UP TO THE BUMP OUTS.IT'S A UNIQUE STREET IN OLD TOWN.
IT SAYS RIGHT HERE YOU NEED TO WORK ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
>> YES, YOU DO, TIM. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER.
ANYBODY ELSE, ANDREW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TESTIFY? GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> I'VE NOT TESTIFIED, HAVE I?
>> ANDREW, 1127TH [INAUDIBLE].
I DON'T SUPPORT THE BUMP OUTS.
I DO SUPPORT TURNING THE STREET ONE WAY AND PUTTING ON THE SAME MATCHING SURFACE THAT'S IN THE REST OF THE DIRT ROADS IN OLD TOWN.
I'M AFRAID THAT A BUMP OUT WILL BECOME PERMANENT PARKING. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, ANDY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ALSO, ON THE ONE-WAY THING, OUR TWO DRIVEWAYS ARE THE ONLY TWO DRIVEWAYS THAT ACCESS HOMES.
WE HAVE TO GET BOATS IN AND OUT OF THOSE.
WE CAN ONLY GO IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.
SHOULD GET OUR BOATS OUT BECAUSE OF TELEPHONE POLES, GATES, TREE LOCATIONS, AND ALL THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK IF THE ONE-WAY IS THE WRONG WAY.
WHICH WAY DO YOU GO? DO YOU FIX IT TO 14TH?
WE LEAVE OUR [INAUDIBLE] AND HEAD WEST TO NEW STREET.
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY WANTED TO MAKE IT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
BUT IF WE CAN SOMEHOW FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
>> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
>> MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT HAVING A WESTBOUND ONE WAY IS IF I'M THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I'M LOOKING FOR THAT STREET, I NEED YOU TO FIND OFF A NEW WELL, I GUESS THEY COULD GO [INAUDIBLE] COULD GO WRONG WAY [OVERLAPPING].
>> MAYBE WE COULD JUST GET IT.
>> I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO ALWAYS ONE WAY AT EVERY TIME, SO YEAH.
THANK YOU, ANDREW. I APPRECIATE.
>> I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FOLKS IS THE COMMUNITY WOULD PREFER GRAVEL IT.
WHY YOU CAN NO BUMP OUTS AND THE ONE-WAY GOES WESTBOUND.[OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE IF I'M UPS AND I'M RUNNING UP THE PACKAGE UP TO THE HOUSE AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE THERE ALL DARN DAY. I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
>> I'M JUST WONDERING. IS THERE ANY CURBING?
>> THERE'S DRIVEN CURVE AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS RIGHT.
>> NO, I GUESS MY POINT WAS IF YOU PUT SOME CURVING AROUND THE SIDES, THEN IT WOULD ELIMINATE PEOPLE PARKING THERE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE POPPING OVER OCCUR ON TODAY.
>> THERE'S NO PLAN TO PUTTING YOUR RIBBING CURB GAME LIKE THE REST OF ALL TIME ASPECT.
AS FAR AS THE ONE-WAY DIRECTION, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT WORK, WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THOSE THAT GO TO YOUR NETWORK.
THEY LIVE, THEY'RE JUST A MATTER OF WHAT SIDE YOU PUT THE SIGN ON. THAT'S IT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR I HOPE THAT WAS HOPE IT GAVE YOU SUFFICIENT CAN PUT AND EVERYBODY ELSE FEELS LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT, THEN WE WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM AND MOVE ON TO THE STAFF REPORT.
[7. STAFF REPORT]
DIRECTOR, YOU ARE GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE AND THANK YOU FOR THE MATERIALS.THAT ST. PETER DOCUMENT A REALLY INTERESTING.
>> ACTUALLY, IT'S THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINE.
>> THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINES UPDATE IT.
I PRESENTED TO YOU AT THE LAST MEETING.
THERE IS A DRAFT FOR THAT REQUEST FOR QUOTE TO GO OUT.
I'M HOPING TO GET THAT PROCESS STARTED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK OR COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO OFFER ON THAT REQUEST FOR QUOTE, PLEASE PROVIDE THEM TO ME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
>> CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? WHAT'S YOUR TIME FRAME FOR COMPLETION ON THIS?
>> IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BY JUNE.
>> IS THAT GOING TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THE DOWNTOWN RENOVATIONS?
>> THE WORK THAT CHARLIE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
>> BLENDING IN CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING, I THINK THAT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THAT INTO THE DOCUMENT WHERE IT REMAINS UNADDRESSED.
WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO LATER ON.
>> IT'S JUST THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SLOW IN HERE IS AS FAR AS THE WORLD IS CONCERNED, THE WORLD THAT WE KNOW HERE, THERE IS NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN DOWNTOWN, HISTORIC, AND CRA.
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THAT'S AN ARTIFICIAL REALLY.I KNOW IT'S NOT OPERATED THAT WAY, BUT IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL DIFFERENCE.
AS FAR AS THE WORLD IS CONCERNED.
I KNOW THAT THE THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE CRA HAD BEEN MUCH MORE RELATED TO INDUSTRIAL LOOK AND FEEL THAN THEY HAVE HISTORIC.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO HAVE SUCH A BREAK BETWEEN THOSE TWO AREAS.
I'M JUST MAKING AN APPEAL THAT THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES.
>> WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN [OVERLAPPING].
>> YES, WE ARE. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE ALSO HAVE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND I WOULD JUST MAKE AN APPEAL THAT WE NOT FORGET THAT THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT WE CAME UP WITH IT.
A WATERFRONT SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES AS OPPOSED TO AS STAR.
WHILE I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT INCREASE YOUR SCOPE, I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE NOT FORGET THAT NEED TO INTEGRATE.
IF I LOOKED AT DEWAR YI AND WHEN HE WAS BUILDING THE MARINA BUILDING AS WE KNOW IT NOW, HE DIDN'T MAKE THAT DISTINCTION.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT I THINK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
I'M JUST MAKING AN APPEAL THAT WE NOT FORGET THOSE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AND HOW THEY SHOULD FIT IN TO THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES.
>> I THINK THE TRICKY PART THERE IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS ALMOST LIKE AN MU1 WHERE IT'S A SOFTENING BETWEEN TWO ZONING ISSUES WITH TWIN, SAY INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE ANYONE TO BUFFER AND BRIDGE THOSE TWO AREAS.
>> IT DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.
BECAUSE THE CRA HAS BEEN OVERLAID.
>> I THINK IT REALLY FALLS THEN TO US IF WE HAVE SOME, [OVERLAPPING] CRAZY INDUSTRIAL DESIGN.
>> BUT OUR ROLE IN LOOKING AT THE CRA IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN IT IS AN OLD TIME.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR NOT.
I'M HOPING THAT THE GUIDELINES HELP US WITH THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD COME ALONG WITH A BOUTIQUE HOTEL MAY CONTAINERS AND THINK THAT'S OKAY. KELLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> BUT IN THIS OCCASION THE CRA AND THOSE BOARD APPROVED IT.
>> CAN I JUST SPEAK TO THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT?
>> WHAT MEMBER FEL COUGH IS RAISING IS SUCH AN EXCELLENT POINT AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO DISCUSS AS A BOARD.
THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE IS PROVIDED AND THEY EXIST IN CRA GUIDELINES, THAT SAYS HOW TO TREAT THOSE IN-BETWEEN AREAS AND QUALIFY AS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC TO A CERTAIN VIEW.
IT IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHERE WE ARE TO TREAT IT AS THE INDUSTRIAL VERNACULAR THAT IT'S CALLING FOR ALONG THE WATERFRONT AREA.
BUT YOUR POINT BEING THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME MORE DIRECTION PROVIDED INTO THE BOARD ON HOW TO NAVIGATE THAT AREA, WHERE IT IS TRANSITIONED BETWEEN THE TWO AND PERHAPS WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY IN THE GRANT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US.
NOT BUNDLE IT WITH THE GRANT, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO SEPARATE IT.
BUT MAYBE YOU REQUEST A QUOTE FOR ALSO AMENDING THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AT THE SAME TIME FIND OUT THE COST AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT PERHAPS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE AND HAVE THE SAME CONSULTANT LOOKING AT THOSE TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME DIRECTION THAT HELPS SUPPORT THE BOARD AS IT CONTINUES TO LOOK AT DECISIONS FOR BOTH THE CRA AND DOWNTOWN.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
[OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART FOR US TO CONTINUE TO REMEMBER.
IF YOU LOOK BACK AND TALK TO MR. JERRY A., HE WILL TELL YOU THAT HIS BUILDING, WHICH WE SEE AS IT START DISTRICT, WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT.
COULD SOMEBODY OR LINNA OR KELLY COULD YOU TELL US HOW WE GOT TO A SEPARATE SET OF GUIDELINES FROM THE SERIES BECAUSE IT'S A SEPARATE TAXING DISTRICT.
>> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE DOWNTIME DESIGN GUIDELINES HAD BEEN WELL-DEVELOPED AND IN PLACE A LONG TIME BEFORE THE CRA WAS ESTABLISHED.
THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE PUT TOGETHER AS PART OF THE WATERFRONTS FLORIDA PARTNERSHIP THAT THE CITY RECEIVED SOME SEED MONEY TO SUPPORT THE CRA AND IT'S THE USE OF THOSE DOLLARS WENT TOWARDS THE CREATION OF THE CRA DESIGN GUIDELINES AS PART OF OUR PARTNERSHIP EFFORTS AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE TWO DOCUMENTS.
THAT DOCUMENT FROM 2000 I KNOW IT WAS REALLY DEVELOPED IN 2006 AND INTO 2007 AND THEN GROW CODIFIED IN 2008.
THAT PORTIONS OF IT THAT RELATE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WERE PUT IN PLACE IN 2008,
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BUT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF WAS FINISHED IN 2007.WE'VE FOUND WHERE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT JUST AREN'T WORKING OUT WELL AND WE HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW TO NAVIGATE THEM. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, ARE ALL CRA SUN SETTING FAIRLY SOON? I THOUGHT THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> NO IT'S THE OPTION OF THE COMMUNITY TO SUN SETTING.
>> THERE WAS A THREAT BY THE STATE A FEW YEARS AGO.
>> THERE ARE SO MANY SEQUENCE.
ANYTHING ELSE? IS THAT SUFFICIENT?
>> YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU TO STAY BACK.
I THINK IF WE CAN DO THAT AS AN OPTION AND MAYBE FIND OUT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE DETERMINE IF WE COULD COVER IT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
>> I THINK IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE THAT COMMENT YOU HAD ABOUT WHOEVER WINS THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR THE DOWNTOWN, IF THEY COULD BE THE SAME ONE TO LOOK AT THE CRA THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTINUITY OF CONSENT.
>> WITHIN THAT CONVERSATION, MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT CHARLIE'S MOVING FORWARD WITH REVALUATION DOWNTOWN.
WE DON'T WORK AT CROSS PURPOSES OR LEADS RIGHT.
>> I THINK THE TIMING OF IT ACTUALLY WORKS OUT REALLY NICELY BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION INTO THE DOCUMENT.
EVEN IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE INCORPORATE FULLY LATER ON, I AM GETTING IT ADDED INTO IT FOR SURFACES OF THE GRANT GOES OUT.
I THINK WE'LL GET SOME LEVEL OF IT PROVIDED.
>> DIRECTOR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OF COURSE TO SAY?
>> I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON STAFF APPROVALS.
ONE ON 309 SOUTH 6TH, A TON OF STAFF AND IT'S ALL ADMIRABLE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT WHAT WAS A LITTLE CONCERNING IS ALL THESE THINGS ARE LISTED INCLUDING BUT MAY NOT BE LIMITED TO.
DO WE NEED SOME GUARDRAILS ON THAT COULDN'T THEY JUST SAY, WE'RE NOT LIMITED TO THESE, SO WE COULD DO IT AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ON THAT UP FOR US DOWNTOWN. [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHO'S THE CONTRACTOR? THAT'S THE FERGANA HOUSE, RIGHT?
>> I CAN SEE IT FROM MY HOUSE.
>> YEAH. THERE WAS SO MUCH THAT THEY'RE DOING.
[OVERLAPPING] SEVERAL TIMES IT SAYS INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHO DETERMINES WHAT IS IT LIMITED TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> TO TRY TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T REALLY STOP. WHO'S THE CONTRACT?
>> IT'S THIS OWNER AND ADVOCATE.
>> SOMEBODY CAN DO SOME STUFF.
>> IT MAY NOT BE LIMITED TO DECIDING TRIM THE WINDOW SILLS.
THAT'S ALL STUFF THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT SERVING AND TRIMMING WINDOWS AND WINDOWS CELLS.
>> THEN MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ON 612 BEACH, THEY'RE RENOVATING A REAR ADDITION.
DID WE NOT APPROVE RARE EDITIONS ANYMORE?
>> IT'S THE GUYS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THIS ADDITION.
IT'S A KITCHEN RENOVATION THAT JOSE DREW FOR [INAUDIBLE].
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY 6-7 SOUTH SIDE STREET.
>> WHY THEY NEEDED [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK THEY'RE RENEWING IT.
>> I WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO BOTH TO FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION FOR YOU.
>> WE APPROVED THAT A WHILE BACK.
MY INSTINCTS TELL ME WE'RE RENEWING WHAT WE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
>> DIRECTOR, THAT FERGANA APPLICATION LOOKS LIKE A BIT OF ADMINISTRATIVE OVERREACH FROM WHERE WE SIT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WOULD BE IN FRONT OF US.
>> I COULD PROVIDE TO YOU THE DETAILS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US.
>> BECAUSE AS LONG AS THEY'RE JUST RENOVATING EXISTING AND THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY WITH THAT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] NOT LIMITED TO.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REVISIT THAT GIVING YOU DID IT A MONTH AGO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD REALLY MAKE YOURSELF FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WOULD BE TO KNOW WHO IS DOING THE WORK.
IT'S ROB OR SOMEBODY WHO KNOW.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER TO STOMACH THAN IF IT'S SOMEBODY FROM JACKSONVILLE WHO'S GOING TO BLOW IN, DO A BUNCH OF STUFF THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO AND THEN COME BACK [OVERLAPPING].
>> TEAR ALL THE WOODEN WINDOWS, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY OOPS.
>> I WILL PULL ALL OF THE DETAILS THAT SECEDED FOR STUFF APPROVAL AND SEND THEM.
>> WITH AN ANALYSIS FOR YOUR REVIEW.
>> I SEE MR. FERGUSON AND ERIC ARE HERE, SO ANYBODY WHO WISH TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER, THEN I BELIEVE THAT IS ADJOURNING. [NOISE]
>> I'VE GOT TO GET TO THE BARBER AS I'M GETTING TO THEM.
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