Nov 14, 2023 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023 AT 5:00.

CALL TO ORDER.

ROLL CALL.

GUYS, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

COCCHI. GO AHEAD.

ITEM 4-1, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, OCTOBER 23RD, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

IN 6.1 WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE NOTED, UM, MAYBE SOME OF THE I FEEL LIKE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT, I KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FACTS AND VERY SUCCINCT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S CONVEYED STRONGLY ENOUGH. THE PUBLIC, THAT THE PUBLIC DID NOT WANT ANY CHANGES AT PECK FIELD, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT MIGHT BE WORDED, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR VOTE WAS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT WAS NOT REFLECTED FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF THEY ADDED SOMETHING LIKE EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE WAS AGAINST IT OR SOMETHING.

DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD.

BECAUSE THERE WAS NO. YEAH.

LIKE IF THERE WAS LIKE A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, ALL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY THAT SPOKE ON THIS ITEM WERE AGAINST IT OR SOMETHING, JUST TO NOTE THAT THERE WAS NOBODY WHO SUPPORTED IT HERE.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY.

OKAY. SO A MOTION TO AMEND 6.1 IN THE MINUTES TO INCLUDE THAT ALL PUBLIC COMMENT WAS IN OPPOSITION TO CHANGES AT PEC. PERFECT.

IS THERE A SECOND I CAN MAKE A SECOND? ANY OTHER. OKAY.

WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO CALL THE ROLL.

OKAY.

OTION FOR NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING ANY ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA? PUBLIC COMMENTS CLOSED.

PRESENTATION, SIX ONE, CITY MANAGER INTRODUCTION.

[6.1 City Manager Introduction ]

MR. TY ROSS MIGHT WALK IN, HE WAS AT ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT EARLIER.

SO WHEN HE DOES, WE'LL INTRODUCE HIM THEN.

IS THAT OKAY? OKAY, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

THANK YOU. SIX TWO, THE SUNSHINE LAWS BOARD RULES AND DUTIES.

[6.2 Sunshine Laws, Board Roles And Duties (City Attorney Tammi Bach To Present)]

I'M TAMMY BACH. I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND MR. TY ROSS, I WAS JUST THERE, TOO, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS THE DEDICATION OF THE GREENWAY, AND IT'S BEING NAMED THE RON SAPP EGAN'S CREEK GREENWAY. SO RIGHT NOW THE WOMEN'S CLUB IS FULL, STANDING ROOM ONLY WITH PEOPLE JUST HONORING MAYOR SAPP AND ALL THAT HE'S DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S RELEVANT TO YOUR BOARD.

SO THE GREENWAY, THE BEACH ACCESS IS THE LOVE OF THE ENVIRONMENT, PROTECTION OF TREES, NO COMBINING LOTS ON THE OCEANFRONT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE HUGE, HUGE COMPOUNDS, NO CONDOS, HEIGHT LIMITS, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT HE WAS PART OF.

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SO I GOT SOME TEARS AND IT WAS VERY MOVING.

SO AND IT'S STILL GOING ON.

SO I RUSHED OVER HERE BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO IMPORTANT.

AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO ARE JUST THREE THINGS.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE BRIEF.

SUNSHINE LAW, YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THAT IS BUT I'LL BRIEFLY GO OVER IT.

AND KATIE'S GOT MY POWERPOINT.

I ALSO HAVE IT PRINTED FOR YOU.

AGAIN, IT'S AN ABRIDGED VERSION OF WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET SO WE CAN GO THROUGH IT.

GO AHEAD NEXT SLIDE.

AND THEY'RE DOUBLE SIDED PAGES, SO FLIP OVER.

TRAINING REQUIREMENTS.

THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS ONLY.

THIS IS THE ETHICS AND SUNSHINE LAW TRAINING.

EACH ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS TO GO THROUGH FOUR HOURS OF SUNSHINE LAW AND ETHICS TRAINING.

THAT'S A COMBINED FOUR HOUR COURSE AND IT IS ONLY REQUIRED OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS.

BUT I DO THE TRAINING EVERY YEAR IN MARCH BEGINNING OF APRIL, AND WE INVITE ALL OF YOU ADVISORY MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO LEARN.

IT'S NOT JUST SUNSHINE LAW, BUT ETHICS ALSO.

NEXT SLIDE. WHAT IS THE SUNSHINE LAW? IT'S PART OF THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION, AND IT MAKES UP A COUPLE OF CHAPTERS IN THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

IT PROVIDES A RIGHT OF ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENTAL PROCEEDINGS.

AND IT IS, AS I SAID, PART OF THE CONSTITUTION.

NEXT SLIDE. WHAT ARE THE OPEN MEETINGS REQUIREMENTS? THIS IS REALLY WHERE THE SUNSHINE LAW GOT ITS NAME.

WE DO OUR GOVERNMENT WORK IN THE SUNSHINE IN FLORIDA.

AND THERE ARE THREE REQUIREMENTS.

ONE, THE MEETINGS HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT MEANS REASONABLE ACCESS TO EVERYONE.

SO YOU CANNOT HAVE A BOARD MEETING, THAT IS A SUNSHINE LAW BOARD THAT IS GUIDED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW AND HAVE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, UPSTAIRS IN A HISTORIC BUILDING WITH NO ELEVATOR, BECAUSE THEN FOLKS THAT CAN'T WALK UP THE STAIRS AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR MEETINGS.

SO THEY HAVE TO BE ACCESS TO EVERYONE.

REASONABLE NOTICE OF EVERY PUBLIC MEETING HAS TO BE GIVEN WHAT IS REASONABLE NOTICE IN FLORIDA BY CASE LAW AND ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS.

IT'S BEEN DEEMED TO BE 24 HOURS.

WE HAVE A PRACTICE IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE SEVEN DAYS.

WE PUBLISH OUR NOTICE IS THE AGENDA, AND THEN OFTEN WE HAVE BACKUP MATERIALS.

NONE OF THAT IS REQUIRED.

SO I HAVE HEARD FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED ON AN AGENDA.

SO EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS COURTEOUS TO PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC EVERYTHING.

THE BACKUP THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AND TALK ABOUT AT THE MEETING.

THE THIRD REQUIREMENT IS MINUTES.

YOU JUST APPROVED YOUR MINUTES.

THOSE ARE REQUIRED AT EACH MEETING, WHETHER OR NOT YOU TAKE VOTES, THE MINUTES OF A MEETING, WHAT YOU HAVE UP THERE IS MUCH MORE DETAILED THAN THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT. THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR MINUTES ARE SIMPLY THE START OF THE MEETING, THE END OF THE MEETING, AND THE VOTES TAKEN DURING THE MEETING.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DISCUSS IN DETAIL WHAT'S TAKEN PLACE AT THE MEETING, THE SUBSTANCE OF THE DISCUSSIONS.

SO THOSE ARE THE OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS.

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UNLESS THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, MEMBERS OF THE SAME BOARD, TWO OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE SAME BOARD CANNOT MEET TO DISCUSS THE BUSINESS THAT THIS BOARD TAKES CARE OF PARKS AND RECREATION, THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU MEET, IF YOU RUN INTO EACH OTHER AT THE COFFEE SHOP AND YOU SAY, HEY, I SEE THAT THERE IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT SEASIDE PARK ON THE AGENDA.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.

AND VIOLATIONS OF THE SUNSHINE LAW ARE TECHNICALLY CRIMINAL VIOLATIONS.

SO ANYBODY COMPLAINS, THEY COMPLAIN TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL DO A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

ALL RIGHT, WHO'S COVERED? YOU'RE COVERED. WHO'S COVERED UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW? ELECTED BOARDS.

APPOINTED BOARDS.

TWO OR MORE BOARDS.

TWO OR MORE MEMBERS OF THAT BOARD IS CONSTITUTES A MEETING.

PRIVATE COMPANIES, CONTRACTORS THAT DO BUSINESS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

THEY CAN BE BOUND BY THE SUNSHINE LAW, PARTICULARLY PUBLIC RECORDS.

SO THEIR RECORDS JUST BECAUSE THE CITY SENDS A RECORD TO THEM AND SAYS, HEY, DON'T LET ANYBODY KNOW YOU HAVE THIS.

IT'S STILL A PUBLIC RECORD.

AND A PERSON THAT'S ACTING ON BEHALF OF A BOARD OR COMMISSION.

SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS ONE PERSON CAN'T CARRY MESSAGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THAT'S NOT OKAY.

THAT'S THE SAME THING AS YOU GUYS TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

SO YOU'RE COVERED.

YOU'RE COVERED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS MEMBERS ELECT.

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AND THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU'RE COVERED BY THE SUNSHINE LAW.

AS SOON AS THE COMMISSION TAKES THAT VOTE TO APPOINT A MEMBER SO NEW MEMBERS DON'T RUN INTO THEM AT THE COFFEE SHOP BEFORE THEY COME TO THEIR FIRST MEETING, AND TELL THEM ALL THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THEM TO AGREE WITH YOU ON.

THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW ABOUT PARKS AND REC.

OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. CAN TWO MEMBERS OF THE SAME BOARD SOCIALIZE? WHAT IF TOM WANTS TO INVITE YOU TO HIS CHRISTMAS PARTY? CAN YOU GO? YES, YOU CAN GO.

PLEASE GO TO TOM'S PARTY.

YOU CAN SOCIALIZE.

BUT DON'T TALK ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'LL SAY SOMETHING THAT IS FORESEEABLY GOING TO BE COMING BEFORE YOU.

DON'T TRY TO GUESS.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T THINK COULD COME TO THIS BOARD.

COULD. AND SO JUST BE CAREFUL IN GENERAL.

CERTAINLY TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING PARKS AND REC OUTSIDE OF THIS CHAMBERS.

AND REALLY BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT WITH OTHER MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD REGARDING THE CITY.

YOU CAN TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS CITY, ANY CITY COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER, WITHOUT VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE LAW, JUST NOT YOUR OWN BOARD MEMBERS OR YOUR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY, BUT PLEASE SOCIALIZE.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WHAT ARE THE SANCTIONS OR THE PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW? AN UNINTENDED THANK YOU, KATIE.

AN UNINTENTIONAL VIOLATION IS A NON CRIMINAL INFRACTION.

SO IF IT'S AN OOPSIE WE DIDN'T REALIZE IT THEN YOU COULD GET A FINE UP TO $500.

IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE LAW YOU HAVE INTENT TO VIOLATE IT.

IT'S A SECOND DEGREE MISDEMEANOR.

YOU CAN SERVE UP TO 60 DAYS IN JAIL AND PAY A $500 FINE.

AND ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS IN FLORIDA HAVE SERVED TIME IN JAIL AND PAID FINES.

SO DON'T THINK THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

IT DOES HAPPEN.

SUSPENSION OR REMOVAL FROM OFFICE AND THAT BIG PAYCHECK.

DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT. AND THEN ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS.

YOU CAN BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS TO THOSE THAT IF THEY FILE A COMPLAINT, THEY CAN GET ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS POTENTIALLY. SO BE CAREFUL.

THAT'S PROBABLY WORSE THAN JAIL.

OKAY. MOVING ON TO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT OPEN MEETINGS.

NO OKAY.

I'M GOING TO GET TO EMAILS AND TEXT MESSAGES AND ALL THAT.

SO DON'T WORRY IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT.

FLORIDA PUBLIC RECORDS LAW.

AGAIN IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

ALSO CHAPTER 119 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

NEXT SLIDE. WHAT IS A PUBLIC RECORD? EVERY DAMN THING.

THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT HAS DETERMINED THAT PUBLIC RECORDS ARE ALL MATERIALS MADE OR RECEIVED BY AN AGENCY IN CONNECTION WITH OFFICIAL BUSINESS.

THAT'S EVERYTHING.

THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF.

BUT THEN I DON'T HAVE MY BOOK, MY PROP.

BUT THERE'S A BOOK CALLED THE SUNSHINE LAW MANUAL, WHICH COVERS OPEN MEETINGS AND PUBLIC RECORDS.

AND IT'S ABOUT THAT THICK.

AND THE LAW ITSELF IS THIS THICK, AND THE EXCEPTIONS ARE THIS THICK.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE EXCEPTIONS.

THERE ARE A FEW. YOU HEAR ABOUT THEM IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS SOMETIMES SHADE MEETING EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I HAVE WITH THE COMMISSION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

AND THAT IS FOR WHEN WE HAVE LITIGATION.

THE THE BOARD COULD MEET WITH MYSELF, THE CITY MANAGER AND A COURT REPORTER WHO'S TAKING DOWN EVERY WORD WE SAY.

AND THAT TRANSCRIPT IS AVAILABLE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE LITIGATION.

SO IT ULTIMATELY BECOMES EVERY WORD BECOMES PUBLIC.

BUT THAT'S A LIMITED EXCEPTION.

AND THERE ARE SOME OTHERS PUBLIC RECORDS.

YOU CAN IMAGINE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH HIPAA AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT SHOULD BE.

SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS.

WE HAVE TO TAKE THOSE OUT OF RECORDS, ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS FOR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE THREATS AGAINST THEM FOR DOING THEIR JOBS.

THEY HAVE THEIR ADDRESSES, PHONE NUMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE NOT PUBLIC RECORDS.

NOW, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IF YOU WANT YOUR ADDRESS TO BE YOUR FIREFIGHTER, POLICE OFFICER, CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, YOU WANT YOUR ADDRESS TO NOT BE PUBLIC. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO TELL THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND TAX COLLECTOR THAT YOU WANT THOSE NOT TO BE PUBLIC OR THEY'RE MADE PUBLIC.

ANY QUESTIONS? EVERYTHING. TEXTS, EMAILS, ALL OF IT IS VOICEMAILS.

WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IS NOT YET A PUBLIC RECORD.

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ANYWHERE YOU GET YOU RECEIVE THEM OR SEND THEM.

I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF DEVICE THAT IS ON PRIVATE, PUBLIC, WHATEVER YOUR PHONES, THOSE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.

AND IF THEY HAVE TO DO WITH IF YOU'RE TRANSACTING OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS, THAT MEANS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION, NOT JUST WITH REGARD TO YOUR MEETINGS.

SO IT COULD BE ANYTHING.

AND I'M LOOKING AT YOU, TOM, AND THINKING OF SPECIFICS.

SO WE HAVE COMING UP ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COMMISSION NEXT TUESDAY.

THE. YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES HAVE THEIR AGREEMENTS OR ANNUAL AGREEMENTS ARE BEING RENEWED.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S COMING HERE, RIGHT? THE CITY COMMISSION IS GOING TO APPROVE THAT.

TOM, IF YOU TALK TO SHEILA AT THE COFFEE SHOP ABOUT THE BABE RUTH AGREEMENT, I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SEEN AS A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DON'T TRY TO SLICE AND DICE.

WHAT? I MEAN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOUR AGREEMENTS APPROVED.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE GAME ON SATURDAY IF YOU WANT TO TELL SHEILA ABOUT THE GAME, BUT DON'T TALK ABOUT THE AGREEMENT.

AND SO SEE HOW I'M.

I'M ALL RIGHT. I GOT I COULD COME TO YOU.

IT COULD COME HERE IF IF CATHERINE AND SCOTT SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT BABE RUTH.

SORRY. WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT BABE RUTH.

TOM. BABE RUTH IS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES, AND I'M LETTING YOU KNOW IT'S CATHERINE OR SCOTT OR STAFF TELLING YOU.

YOU SEE, NOW THAT I JUST TALKED TO SHEILA ABOUT THIS AGREEMENT, THEY'RE CHARGING $4 A KID NOW.

THAT COULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW IF IT COMES TO THIS BOARD IN TWO YEARS, Y'ALL ARE ON THE BOARD.

YOU VIOLATED THE SUNSHINE LAW, AND THERE'S REALLY SOMEBODY CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT COFFEE SHOP DISCUSSION.

THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL.

EMAILS. THIS SLIDE BASICALLY SAYS ALL YOUR EMAILS HAVING TO DO WITH PARKS AND REC, YOUR BUSINESS ON THE BOARD.

AND I SUBMIT TO YOU POTENTIALLY CITY BUSINESS IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, THINK ABOUT WHAT PARKS AND REC ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH IN THE CITY. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE NEW POLICE RADIOS, GO FOR IT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY THINK WHEN YOU SEE SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD.

EMAIL, TEXT, CONVERSATIONS.

THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY FOR COMMUNICATIONS THAT YOU MAKE ON A GOVERNMENT OWNED COMPUTER.

AND I DON'T KEEP GOING OR ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER OR ON YOUR PHONE IF IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR BUSINESS HERE, IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD AND THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO IT IF THEY REQUEST IT.

OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. TEXT MESSAGES, SOCIAL MEDIA, SAME THING.

TWEETS, FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, ALL THAT STUFF I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY MORE OF THOSE THINGS.

I DON'T KNOW ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIA SITES, BUT ANY OF THESE, IF YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR WORK HERE, YOU TALK ABOUT PARKS AND REC HERE, YOU MAKE A POST ON FACEBOOK AND THAT POST GOES AWAY.

THAT COULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW, ESPECIALLY IF YOU IF YOU HAVE FRIENDS THAT ARE FACEBOOK FRIENDS THAT COULD READ YOUR POST, KNOW HOW YOU FEEL, THEY POST ON THEIR PAGE AND THOSE POSTS WE DON'T HAVE.

MOST OF US DON'T HAVE SOFTWARE THAT ARCHIVES OUR POSTS.

THEY JUST GO AWAY AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME.

THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW.

SO BE CAREFUL.

IF YOU HAVE POSTS THAT COME IN FROM THE PUBLIC OR FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR SERVICE HERE.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTACT IS TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT.

DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT IS? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT LONG AGO, SO DON'T LAUGH.

SCREENSHOT. YOU'RE TAKING THAT POST AND MAKING A COPY OF IT BY TAKING THE PICTURE ON YOUR PHONE OF WHAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN, OR TAKING A PICTURE OF YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN WITH YOUR PHONE, THAT'S A WAY TO DO IT.

DON'T FREAK OUT, THOUGH, AND I'LL TELL YOU IN JUST A SECOND.

YOU'RE MOST LIKELY NOT GOING TO EVER GET IN TROUBLE FOR THIS, OR EVER GET CAUGHT IF YOU DO AN OOPSIE I'VE DONE OOPSIES, I'VE DELETED PUBLIC RECORDS AND I HAVEN'T VIOLATED THE SUNSHINE LAW THOUGH THAT I KNOW OF.

BUT IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US.

SO IF YOU DELETE A POST OR YOU DELETE SOMETHING, THE BEST THING TO DO IS CALL ME OR CALL CAROLINE.

AND IF NOTHING ELSE, YOU'LL FEEL GOOD THAT YOU CONFESSED IT BECAUSE WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET IT BACK, BUT WE'LL SAY IT'S OKAY AND IT'S PROBABLY NO BIG DEAL.

SO TEXT MESSAGES, SOCIAL MEDIA.

OH, THE NEXT ONE IS GOOD.

NOTES. NOTES.

ARE THEY PUBLIC RECORDS? DEPENDS IF YOU MAKE A NOTE.

IF YOU'RE MAKING YOUR GROCERY LIST, I DON'T CARE.

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HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR YOUR BUSINESS.

IF YOU'RE TAKING A NOTE JUST TO REMIND YOURSELF TO DO SOMETHING, TO REVIEW A REPORT OR SOMETHING, ONLY YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THAT NOTE OR WHAT IT COMMUNICATES. THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC RECORD.

THAT'S YOURS.

IF IT'S A NOTE THAT SAYS ASK CATHERINE OR ASK SCOTT TO GET ME WHATEVER DOCUMENT, THAT'S A PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE IT'S INTENDED TO COMMUNICATE KNOWLEDGE, EVEN IF IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH LATER, IT'S STILL INTENDED TO COMMUNICATE KNOWLEDGE, AND IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD.

YOUR PERSONAL NOTES, DRAFTS.

IT'S NOT IN MY SLIDES.

SAME THING.

IF YOU CREATE A DRAFT OF A DOCUMENT, DRAFT OF A DOCUMENT, AND I'VE HEARD THIS FROM PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND STAFF, NOT JUST HERE IN OTHER PLACES, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, IT'S JUST A DRAFT. IT'S MY DRAFT.

IT'S NOT DONE. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC RECORD.

IT IS A PUBLIC RECORD, TECHNICALLY.

AND BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU PUT IN A DRAFT.

BE CAREFUL WHAT LITTLE NOTES AND DOODLES YOU DO ON DRAFTS BECAUSE THEY COULD BECOME PUBLIC RECORDS.

SO YES. SO NOTES ARE COMING IN FOR A LANDING.

NOTES ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.

AND THEN AT THE END IS THE SUMMARY OPEN MEETINGS, PUBLIC RECORDS, QUESTIONS.

CAN SOMEONE WITH A CAMERA GO IN TO MAKE A.

THERE'S FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITORS OUT THERE EVERYWHERE.

NOW GO IN WITH A CAMERA AND FOIA REQUESTS AND DO THE WHOLE PROCESS WITH A CAMERA IN THEIR HAND.

YEAH. SO WHAT WE HAVE AT JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND IT HAS HAPPENED AT CITY HALL, SOMEBODY COMES IN.

IF WE WE THE CITY, YOUR CITY STAFF, YOUR CITY EMPLOYEES ARE AT AN OPEN WINDOW THAT IS INTENDED TO INVITE THE PUBLIC THERE TO DO BUSINESS.

YOU CAN HAVE A CAMERA ALL DAY LONG.

WE'VE HAD THAT.

I GET THE CALLS FROM STAFF THAT ARE HIDING IN THE BACK THAT SAY THEY'RE HERE WITH THE CAMERA.

WHAT DO I DO? AND I SAID, WELL, YOU CAN STAY HIDING OR YOU CAN TALK TO THEM WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, BUT YOU'LL BE ON CAMERA.

WE CAN'T. THAT'S WHAT WE WE SIGNED UP TO DO.

THE CITY PASSED AN ORDINANCE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE THERE WERE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND LAWYERS DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THEM.

THAT SAID, I PAY TAXES, THIS IS MY CITY HALL, AND I WILL GO UP BEHIND THAT LOCKED DOOR RIGHT INTO YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE, BECAUSE THIS IS MY CITY HALL AND I PAY TAXES.

SO THE CITY PASSED AN ORDINANCE.

THERE WAS SOME LEGISLATION THAT SAID, IF WE ADVISE THE PUBLIC THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY'RE PUT ON NOTICE BY PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, THEN YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT THEY CAN'T GO THERE, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN'T VIDEO THERE THINGS LIKE THAT.

THERE SHOULD BE A SIGN THAT SAYS RESTRICTED.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A SIGN.

WHAT THE LAW SAYS IS WE HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE, WHICH WE DID, THAT SAID THAT WHERE THERE ARE LOCKED DOORS RIGHT NOW IN CITY HALL, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO GO THERE.

OR IN OTHERS LIKE ATLANTIC REC, YOU CANNOT GO BACK IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AREA IF YOU'RE JUST A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

THOSE ARE MEANT TO PROTECT STAFF BECAUSE OF THE VIOLENCE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR SOCIETY.

SO THAT'S ALLOWED NOW, AND WE CAN TRESPASS PEOPLE THAT DECIDE THEY'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP ON WALKING OR TRY TO WALK THROUGH AN OPEN DOOR AND TRESPASS MEANS THE POLICE COME GIVE THEM A WARNING. IF THEY COME BACK, THEY GET ARRESTED.

WHAT IS THE PENALTY FOR NOT TURNING OVER THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTED? WELL, THE PENALTY IS IF YOU DON'T TURN OVER A PUBLIC RECORD THAT IS A CIVIL SOMEBODY CAN FILE A CIVIL LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU, AGAINST IF IT WAS YOU AS YOUR BOARD MEMBER.

THE YOU WOULD BE NAMED, THE CITY WOULD BE NAMED IN THE LAWSUIT.

AND THEN WE WOULD GO ON DEFENDING.

IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU SAID, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC RECORD.

AND THEY SUED, THEY WOULD AT LEAST GET A HEARING.

AND THE HEARING WOULD BE WHAT WE CALL IN CAMERA IN THE JUDGE'S CHAMBERS.

AND THE JUDGE WOULD ASK YOU TO TURN OVER THOSE TEXT MESSAGES TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN LOOK AND DETERMINE IF IT'S PUBLIC RECORD OR POTENTIALLY PUBLIC RECORD, AND THEN THEY DECIDE IF IT IS OR IT'S NOT.

IT'S USUALLY JUST A JUDGE DECISION, WHETHER THEY'RE PUBLIC RECORDS.

BUT YOU CAN DENY TURNING THOSE OVER AND THEN SOMEBODY CAN DECIDE WHETHER THEY'RE FILING A LAWSUIT OR NOT.

THANK YOU. AND THEN REMEMBER THE ATTORNEY'S FEES, POTENTIALLY.

IT USED TO BE REALLY EASY FOR SOMEBODY THAT FILED A PUBLIC RECORDS LAWSUIT TRYING TO GET PUBLIC RECORDS TO GET ATTORNEY'S FEES.

IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF LAWSUITS.

WE HAD PEOPLE ONE PERSON WAS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WENT DOWN TO THE MARINA ON A SATURDAY WITH A CELL PHONE CAMERA AND SAID TO THE

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AND THE DOCK MAN SAID, WELL, I CAN'T GET THAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE ON MONDAY AND REQUEST THE RECORD.

THEY FILED A LAWSUIT AND IT WAS FIVE, 5000 OR $8000 TO SETTLE THE LAWSUIT.

AND THAT'S ALL THESE LAWYERS WANTED.

THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS 5 OR $8000 TIMES 100 CITIES IS NOT A BAD PAYDAY.

SO THEY WOULD DO THAT.

THEY'D GET THEIR SETTLEMENT.

AND THE LEGISLATURE RESPONDED WITH, IT'S MUCH, MUCH HARDER TO GET ATTORNEY'S FEES.

SO WE REALLY HAVE TO BE TRYING TO THWART THE LAW IN ORDER FOR SOMEBODY TO GET ATTORNEY'S FEES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE, JUST AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU GUYS AS YOU'RE RUNNING YOUR MEETINGS.

WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE ORDER OF BUSINESS SLIDE WILL BE THE OTHER.

IT'S A NEW FILE.

YEAH. OKAY, SO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, NOT THE DECISION TONIGHT OR ANYTHING.

GENERALLY OUR BOARDS AND THIS BOARD IS NO DIFFERENT FOLLOWS ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, WHICH WE ALL GENERALLY KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.

THE CITY COMMISSION FOLLOWS ROBERT'S RULES ALSO, EXCEPT THEY'VE ADOPTED THEIR OWN WRITTEN RULES OF PROCEDURE, THAT CHANGES IT A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE ORDER THAT MOTIONS ARE MADE, DISCUSSION HAPPENS, PUBLIC SPEAK, PUBLIC COMMENT IS ASKED FOR.

SO IF YOU ALL HAVE THOUGHT AT ALL ABOUT, WELL, WHAT'S OUR ORDER OF BUSINESS? OR EVER STRUGGLED WITH THAT, YOU CAN USE THIS AS A GUIDE.

YOU CAN ADOPT YOUR OWN ORDER OF BUSINESS, OR YOU CAN FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES.

AND ROBERT'S RULES IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE MOTIONS BEFORE THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION.

SO THAT'S THE MAIN DIFFERENCE.

SO THIS ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE DISCUSSION FIRST AND PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THERE'S A MOTION.

OKAY. LAST THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE DUTIES OF THE PARKS AND REC.

I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE FOR THIS.

DUTIES OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD.

AND YOUR DUTIES AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BOARD IS SET UP BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND I THINK IT'S BEEN CHANGED 2 OR 3 TIMES SINCE I STARTED WITH THE CITY.

I DID THIS SAME TALK WITH THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD.

THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD IS SET UP AS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

SO WHATEVER YOU ALL ARE DOING AND DECIDING HERE ULTIMATELY SHOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF IT SHOULD BE TO COMMUNICATE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION.

THE CITY STAFF IS I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR RESOLUTION.

I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK CITY STAFF TO PRODUCE FOR THIS BOARD.

IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON.

THERE'LL BE TIMES IN THE FUTURE THAT THERE'LL BE PROJECTS GOING ON THAT YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT.

IT'S FINE TO ASK FOR UPDATES ON THE PROJECTS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD TO ASK FOR STAFF TO DO WORK OR CREATE A WORK PRODUCT.

IF THAT'S GOING TO COME HERE AND YOU ALL ARE GOING TO SAY, OH, THANK YOU, THAT THAT SOUNDS GREAT, LOVE IT.

AND THEN IT DIES.

BECAUSE WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE? THERE WAS NO NEXT STEP TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

SO STAFF HAS AND THERE'S NO OFFENSE TO YOU ALL CERTAINLY.

BUT STAFF HAS THEN DONE THIS WORK FOR YOUR OWN EDIFICATION.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

THAT'S PROBABLY MORE WORK THAN STAFF NEEDS TO DO.

AND SO MAKE SURE IF YOU ASK FOR WORK FROM STAFF, THAT IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT YOU ALL DO HAVE THE ABILITY AND AUTHORITY TO IF YOU HAVE NEW IDEAS, YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO REACT.

YOU'RE NOT. I DON'T THINK YOUR JOB IS JUST TO SIT HERE AND REACT TO WHATEVER STAFF DECIDES TO SERVE YOU THAT MEETING, IF YOU HAVE IDEAS ABOUT THINGS YOU WANT CHANGES MADE, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS IT WITH THE BOARD.

COME UP WITH SOMETHING YOU CAN AGREE ON AND ASK STAFF TO BRING THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU TAMMY. YOU'RE WELCOME.

I TRULY APPRECIATE IT.

YES, ANYTIME. THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

THANKS. MY KIDS LOVE PARKS AND REC.

YEAH. OKAY.

SORRY I'M LATE. I WAS AT THE CEREMONY THAT WAS HELD FOR FORMER MAYOR RON SAPP IN THE REDEDICATION OF THE GREENWAY IN HIS NAME, SO

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I GOT TO HEAR A LOT OF HISTORY ABOUT HIM, FROM HIS LOVED ONES, FORMER STUDENTS AND AND FAMILY.

SO I'M HERE AS YOUR NEW CITY MANAGER.

I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT A MONTH.

IT'S IT'S VERY GOOD TO BE HERE.

I'M VERY PROUD TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY.

AND I HOPE TO HELP YOU ALL AS BEST I CAN IN MY ROLE AS CITY MANAGER, TO HELP MOVE THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT FORWARD IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU SEE FIT.

I THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT.

I READ THE AGENDA AND THE NEXT ITEM WHICH WHICH MISS LISA WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU IS, AS I THINK, A REAL OPPORTUNITY, I HAVEN'T I'VE BEEN WATCHING THIS FILM FOR A WHILE HERE IN FERNANDINA, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AS MANY TIMES AS YOU HAVE, BUT I'VE PICKED UP A LOT JUST IN THE PAST MONTH, AND I THINK THERE'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY NOW IN THE ON THE TOPIC THAT'S ABOUT TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU.

NOW, THIS WOULD BE AN INSIDE JOKE WITH TAMMY BECAUSE SHE TALKED ABOUT A SLIP AND FALL CASE SHE ONCE HAD, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE ABRASION COEFFICIENT THAT BUTCHER, THAT FRICTION, THE FRICTION, THE FRICTION COEFFICIENT.

SO WHEN THESE AND THIS IS LIKE YOU CAN THROW SUNSHINE LAW OUT THE WINDOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE PLAYPEN.

WE CAN SAY WE CAN SAY WHATEVER WE WANT BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.

SO BUT THE FRICTION FRICTION COEFFICIENT MIGHT BE WHEN, WHEN WHEN IDEAS RUB TOGETHER AND MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE DON'T CATCH TRACTION.

AND SO I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR SOME, SOME GOOD IDEAS FROM ANOTHER BOARD ABOUT A POSSIBLE NEW PARK IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHAT I'M PICKING UP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE IS SOME FRUSTRATION IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW NOTHING'S BEEN DONE IN THIS AREA FOR FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING MOVE FORWARD.

SO, SO, SO NOW WE'VE GOT TWO, TWO PUBLIC BODIES BUMPING TOGETHER, SHARING INFORMATION.

I THINK IT'S A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE GATHER SOME SYNERGY.

SO TAKE IT IN AND DO WHAT YOU WILL.

THANKS. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. EXCUSE.

I DIDN'T GET HIS NAME.

I'M SORRY I DID NOT.

I DID NOT GET YOUR NAME.

SORRY, I DO APOLOGIZE, TY ROSS.

THANK YOU SIR.

[6.3 Waterfront Concept Presentation By CRAAB (Community Redevelopment Agency Advisory Board)]

THE WATERFORD CONCEPT.

PRESENTATION BY CRAB.

LISA FINKELSTEIN, I AM THE CHAIR FOR THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD, ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR FERNANDINA BEACH MAIN STREET.

AND THAT WAS QUITE A QUITE A BUILDUP.

SO WE'LL SEE.

BACK ON OCTOBER 16TH.

THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD PRESENTED A PARKING PLAN TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD, WHICH IS THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THIS WAS FOR LOTS C AND D AT THE WATERFRONT.

SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN BEHIND ME.

NOW THIS THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR THIS PARKING PLAN WERE REALLY IT WAS A FORMALIZATION OF THE PARKING AREA THAT WAS ALREADY THERE.

WE WERE LOOKING TO MAKE THE SPACES CODE COMPLIANT WHEN WE COUNTED THE CODE COMPLIANT SPACES THAT WOULD HAVE THAT WERE THERE.

ORIGINALLY THERE WERE 74 WHEN WE WERE FINISHED WITH THIS DESIGN, THERE ARE ALSO 74, SO THERE WAS NO LOSS OF SPACES.

AND IN FACT THERE ARE SEVEN ADDITIONAL SPACES THAT CAN BE USED.

YOU'LL SEE THEM HERE.

THAT CAN BE USED AS FLEX SPACES, SO IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL BOAT TRAILER PARKING OR LARGER VEHICLE PARKING, LIKE AN RV OR A LARGE BUS.

AND SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.

AND THEN IT ALSO STILL PROVIDES THE ABILITY FOR THE THE CITY TO ADD TEMPORARY PETANQUE COURTS TO HOST THE INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT THAT WAS JUST HELD THIS PAST WEEKEND, BECAUSE THE PARKING AREA STAYS THE MATERIAL THAT IT CURRENTLY IS, IT IS NOT A PAVED PARKING AREA.

IT STILL IS THE I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MATERIAL IS, BUT.

SO THIS WAS PRESENTED ON OCTOBER 17TH TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD.

AT THAT TIME, THEY APPROVED THAT STAFF WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LARGER SPACES THAT ARE NOT ADJACENT TO THE THE GREEN SPACE, AND THAT THEY WOULD START THERE AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO THEM.

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SO THAT WAS WHAT WE AS A BOARD WERE TASKED WITH.

WE'VE HAD ONE MEETING SINCE THAT, THAT MEETING.

AND WE DID HAVE WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION.

AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT WAS REALLY WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION AND WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION AS A BOARD IS, AND HOPEFULLY TO SHARE THAT BACKGROUND WITH YOU AND THE RECOMMENDATION AND, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE, CONCERNS, ANYTHING WITH WHAT WE HAD TO SAY AS A BOARD. WE LIKE I SAID, WE'LL TAKE THIS BACK TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD IN JANUARY.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE IS A PLAN THAT MANY OF YOU MAY REMEMBER.

THIS IS FROM A 2020 MARQUIS AND LATIMER DESIGN.

IT'S A IT'S JUST THAT PORTION OF IT.

BUT THERE WAS IT WAS A DESIGN FOR THE ENTIRE WATERFRONT.

IT WAS DONE BY THAT FIRM.

IT WAS THEN PUT OUT INTO THE PUBLIC, SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC.

THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT.

THOSE COMMENTS WERE TAKEN AND AND THE PLAN WAS ADJUSTED AND CHANGES WERE MADE.

AND SO THIS WAS THE FINAL RENDERING AT THAT TIME.

AND THIS WAS IN 2020.

SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS PLAN TO START OUR DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST RECENT PLAN WE HAD.

AND THERE WAS PUBLIC INPUT INTO THIS PLAN.

AND THAT WAS WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

SO WE FELT THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT WHAT CAME OUT OF THAT AS FAR AS A PUBLIC COMMENT GOES.

AND WHAT CAME OUT OF IT WAS THE RIVER IS THE ATTRACTION.

GREEN SPACE IS IMPORTANT.

CONNECTIVITY TO DOWNTOWN IS IMPORTANT FROM THIS AREA.

AN INFORMAL PLAY AREA WOULD BE NICE, A BANDSTAND, VIEWS OF THE SUNSET AND RESILIENCY.

SO WE TOOK ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE HAD OUR DISCUSSION.

OBVIOUSLY THE RESILIENCY HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA WITH THE SEAWALL AND THE WALKWAY THAT'S THERE.

SO NOW WE WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS A GROUP WAS RATHER THAN COME UP WITH A NEW PLAN, WE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ELEMENTS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS OPEN SPACE AT THE WATERFRONT AND RECOMMENDING THAT THOSE ELEMENTS BE INCLUDED, AND THEN ALSO PROVIDING SOME GUIDELINES FOR THOSE ELEMENTS. SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE FIRST THING THAT'S LISTED IS A MULTI USE PAVILION WITH A STAGE.

SO THERE WAS A CALL FOR A BANDSTAND OR A PLACE THAT WE COULD HOLD SPECIAL EVENTS SOMETIMES.

NOW THE ISSUE WITH A BANDSTAND IS WHEN YOU'RE USING IT AS A BANDSTAND, IT'S GREAT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE NOT IT'S SITTING EMPTY.

SO THE IDEA OF A MULTI USE PAVILION MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE BECAUSE IT CAN HAVE A STAGE ELEMENT, BUT IT CAN ALSO BE USED AS A RENTAL FOR EVENTS.

IT CAN BE USED JUST BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SIT UNDER TO WATCH THE SUNSET.

SO IT HAS A LOT MORE USES AND WHAT WE WOULD DO.

AND AGAIN THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT ELEMENT BE PART OF THIS DESIGN WHERE IT WERE PLACED, WHERE IT WAS PLACED, OR EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE OR HOW IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WOULD BE YET TO BE DETERMINED.

SO THE SECOND ELEMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ARE SIDEWALKS FOR CONNECTIVITY.

AND THIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL COMMENTS.

WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THAT.

THIS AREA HAS A CLEAR WAY TO TRAVEL FROM LOT C AND D INTO.

TO THE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S WALKING THROUGH A PARKING LOT.

YOU'RE NOT QUITE SURE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING OR WHERE YOU SHOULD BE WALKING, AND IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING EVEN WHEN YOU GET TO FRONT STREET.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL.

THEY'RE PAVED SO THAT PEOPLE WITH STROLLERS OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES CAN USE THEM, AND THAT THERE ARE ALSO ADA COMPLIANT PARKING SPACES SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE HANDICAPPED CAN VISIT THESE SPACES AS WELL.

WE ALSO FELT RESTROOMS IN THIS AREA WERE IMPORTANT.

IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED TO USE THE AREA FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, OR EVEN TO HAVE THEIR CHILD PLAY, OR TO GO DOWN AND PLAY A GAME OF PÉTANQUE.

IT'S AWFULLY FAR TO WALK TO THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS THAT ARE BEHIND THE WELCOME CENTER.

SO LOOKING AT RESTROOM FACILITIES HERE, WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT.

AND THEN A NON TRADITIONAL PLAY AREA.

AGAIN, NOT LOOKING AT A LARGE PLAYGROUND WITH PLAY EQUIPMENT, TRADITIONAL PLAY EQUIPMENT LIKE YOU SEE AT CENTRAL PARK, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THAT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY,

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BUT MAYBE WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT IS HAS A NOD TO WHAT THE HISTORY OF THE WATERFRONT IS NOW.

EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

I'M NOT SURE.

COULD IT BE ROPES THAT MIRROR THE ROPES ON A SHIP? ON A SHRIMP BOAT? POSSIBLY. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST IDEAS YET TO BE DETERMINED.

BUT THE GOAL IS THAT IT IS NOT A FORMALIZED PLAY AREA, BUT MORE CASUAL, BUT WITH AN HISTORIC NOD.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SINCE COME ACROSS IS IN TALKING WITH LORELEI JACOBS, WHO'S THE GRANTS PERSON FOR THE CITY, THERE IS T-MOBILE HOMETOWN GRANT THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WOULD COME ALONG WITH PIECES OF THIS DIFFERENT, THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

AND THEN FINALLY SHADE.

THAT WAS THE THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT EVERYONE FELT WAS IMPORTANT.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A WIDE OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT SHADE IS ALSO NICE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOWN THERE IN THE IN THE SUMMER ESPECIALLY.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PLANTING FOR THE FUTURE AND FOR THE PRESENT THAT WE WOULD PLANT SOME TREES THAT WOULD PROVIDE SHADE NOW, BUT THEN WE WOULD PLANT WITH A VIEW TO THE LONG TERM WHEN WE'RE NOT HERE ANYMORE.

BUT THESE PLANTS, THESE TREES WOULD WOULD PROVIDE SHADE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

SO ONE OF OUR, OUR CRA ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS IS YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, IS EXTREMELY TALENTED AND HE PROVIDED A RENDERING. I WILL PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THIS RENDERING BEHIND ME WAS PROVIDED BY HIM PRIOR TO US HAVING OUR DISCUSSION ON THESE ELEMENTS.

SO THIS IS A DRAFT FORM.

THIS IS IN NO WAY MEANT TO CONVEY ANY FINAL PLAN, BUT WE DID USE IT AGAIN AS A TALKING POINT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE MULTI USE PAVILION, WHICH WOULD BE NUMBER FIVE KIND OF IN THE CENTER THERE THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A MULTI USE PAVILION WITH A STAGE OPTION.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE IS CONSIDERATION FOR WHERE IT'S PLACED BASED ON NOISE.

SO IF THERE'S GOING TO BE MUSIC IT IT POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW IS PROJECTING THIS WAY.

AND THEN ALSO FOR THE SUNSET AGAIN THAT YOU KNOW WHETHER IT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE PAVILION BE ADEQUATE SO THAT IT DOESN'T BLOCK THE VIEW SO THAT PEOPLE CAN STILL ENJOY THE NATURAL ELEMENTS THERE.

SO THE SAME WITH THE SIDEWALKS WHEN YOU SEE NOW TO WALK DOWN THERE, IT'S KIND OF A DEAD END.

YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN ALONG THE WATERFRONT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

I MEAN, THERE ISN'T THERE'S NOT A LOOP.

SO WITH THIS, WITH BETWEEN THE PARKING PLAN AND THEN ALSO SOME INTERIOR WALKWAYS, THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A WALK AND GO DOWN AND MAKE A WHOLE CONTINUOUS LOOP.

AND IT WOULD HAVE MORE OF A DESTINATION FEEL.

SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THAT BE INCLUDED.

AND THEN ALSO ON THIS PLAN YOU CAN SEE A LARGE MIX OF LARGE CANOPY SHADE TREES, PINE TREE GROVE, STRATEGICALLY PLACED PALM TREES AROUND PÉTANQUE.

AGAIN, THIS WAS ALL JUST SUGGESTIONS AND A RENDERING.

IT'S NOT MEANT IN ANY WAY TO BE THE FINAL DESIGN, BUT IT GIVES YOU SOME IDEA OF HOW YOU MIGHT INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT PLANTINGS TO TO PROVIDE SHADE.

AND THEN.

THE. WHAT WE'RE.

WHAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IS DO YOU AGREE WITH THESE FIVE ELEMENTS AS BEING PART OF THIS? IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU DON'T THINK SHOULD BE THERE BASED ON THOSE FIVE ELEMENTS? AND THEN WHAT WILL WORK ON AT OUR NEXT MEETING ARE DEVELOPING MORE SPECIFIC, MORE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES WITH EACH ELEMENT. YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT WE FEEL THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN THEY'RE MAKING APPROVING IT AND THEN RECOMMENDING IT TO STAFF. AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO ASK THAT STAFF DETERMINE THE TIMELINE AND THE FUNDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROJECT.

SO THEY WOULD GO OUT AND GET, YOU KNOW, THE COST ESTIMATES AND ALL OF THAT.

THEY WOULD WORK WITH WHATEVER DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ARE NECESSARY FOR THE OVERALL LAYOUT.

THE DESIGN FOR THE PAVILION ITSELF WOULD PROBABLY WANT AN ARCHITECT TO TO DEVELOP IT SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT FITS IN WITH THE INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT LOOK

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SO THIS IS REALLY WHERE OUR DISCUSSION LED IN ONE MEETING AND AGAIN, WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOU.

AND JUST TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND INPUT SO THAT WHEN WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION LATER IN DECEMBER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO.

OH, AND BEFORE I FORGET TOO, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE WERE CHALLENGED BY OUR NEW CITY MANAGER TO COME UP WITH A NAME FOR THE SPACE TO GIVE IT A NAME.

SO WE HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT SUGGESTION CAME AT THE END OF OUR MEETING.

BUT THE FEELING THAT GIVING A NAME TO THE SPACE WOULD HELP US TO KIND OF RALLY AROUND IT.

SO GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT AS WELL.

SO. OKAY.

THANKS, LISA. SURE, SURE.

I THINK THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS.

YES. GO AHEAD.

THANKS, LISA. SURE IS NICE.

AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU WERE ON THAT BOARD BECAUSE YOU DO A LOT OF STUFF.

SO THANKS FOR ALL THE STUFF YOU DO FOR US.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO YOU MENTIONED IN THAT PARKING LOT WHERE THERE COULD BE LIKE FLEX PARKING, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE BOAT TRAILERS DOWN THERE TRYING TO ACCESS THE MARINA, BUT YOU MENTIONED RVS AND.

I'M CONCERNED.

FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE WE HAVE SOME RULES AGAINST OVERNIGHT PARKING FOR THINGS LIKE THAT SO THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A PLACE THAT THAT IS ENCOURAGED, BECAUSE TO TAKE UP THAT MANY PARKING SPACES FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BOTHER ME.

I DO LIKE THE FLEXIBILITY OF IT, AND I'M CONCERNED.

I'M ASSUMING THAT THESE DRAWINGS ABOUT THE ACTUAL MARINA AREA ARE NOT CORRECT OF HOW THEY ACTUALLY FIT INTO THIS PARK SPACE, RIGHT? BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE.

RIGHT. SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON THIS.

LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS A DRAFT BROUGHT BY ONE MEMBER OF OUR BOARD FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.

THAT WAS THE SOLE REASON BEHIND IT.

SO FOR OUR MEETING, HE'S BEEN ASKED TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE ELEMENTS WE SPOKE ABOUT AND AND WHATEVER OTHER CONCERNS AND SUGGESTIONS OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAD SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT ONCE AGAIN AT OUR DECEMBER MEETING.

BUT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OUT IN THE WATER AND EVERYTHING IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT REALLY THAT OPEN SPACE BETWEEN THE WATERFRONT AND THE PARKING AREA.

SO I MEAN, TO ME IT LOOKS REALLY COOL AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THERE, BUT I ALSO KIND OF FEEL LIKE THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S AN OPEN SPACE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM AND THEN YOU START ADDING THINGS AND IT STARTS FILLING IN VERY QUICKLY.

SO I'M, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL OF THESE THINGS.

I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT OF LIKE A PERFORMANCE STAGE IS BEING CONSIDERED OR A PAVILION IN ANY KIND OF WAY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S SORELY NEEDED AND I'M GUESSING JUST THE WAY THAT THAT IS DRAWN.

IT'S SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S UP IN SAINT MARY'S OR IN BEAUFORT, MAYBE BUFORD BEAUFORT.

YES. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS GIVEN TO US AS AN EXAMPLE TO LOOK AT.

AND I DID LOOK THAT UP.

I HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE A PICTURE OF IT.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK OUR DESIGN WOULD BE WE WOULD WANT IT UNIQUE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT YES, THAT IS THE IDEA OF YES.

THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU WOULD, IF THAT WERE A PAVILION FOR MUSIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE FACING THAT WAY. AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THERE'S A HOUSE THERE.

DON'T PEOPLE LIVE RIGHT BY BEYOND THE SHRIMP BOATS? ISN'T THAT SOMEONE'S HOUSE? NO ONE LIVES THERE. OKAY.

MY BAD. AND THEN MY NEXT THING ABOUT MY QUESTION ABOUT THE PATENT COURTS.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THAT.

IS IT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO BE SO WIDE OPEN ON THE TOP? LIKE, WOULD IT NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE TREES THAT ARE MORE SHADY THAN JUST PALM TREES, OR IS THAT A NEED FOR THE GAME? AGAIN, BEYOND MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, AS FAR AS WHAT PATENT NEEDS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S TREES OVER THE COURTS AT CENTRAL PARK, SO CLEARLY THAT'S AN OPTION. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, REALLY A RENDERING JUST TO SHOW THE POSSIBILITY.

SO ALL OF THAT WOULD BE STILL TO BE DETERMINED AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, EXACTLY HOW ONCE I THINK WE HAD A LAYOUT, THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO PLACE TREES AND EVERYTHING. BUT FOR NOW IT JUST REALLY IT'S SUPER HOT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. NOT BE ABSOLUTELY EXPOSED.

AND THEN MY LAST POINT WOULD BE, I LOVE THE IDEA ABOUT HAVING A SIDEWALK THAT KIND OF MEANDERS AROUND AND THAT YOU CAN KIND OF GO MORE PLACES BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT TOTALLY

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REALLY, IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE YOU CAN STEP OFF INTO, LIKE, A SOFT GRASS TO PASS SOMEBODY.

SO TO HAVE IT JUST WIDER, BECAUSE YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE DRAWING A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE AT ONE TIME AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT'S MORE OF A WIDER WIDTH THAN A SIDEWALK WOULD BE MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION.

PERFECT. THANK YOU.

UM, I THINK THAT MOST OF THIS LOOKS GREAT AND I AM EXCITED FOR ALL THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE BANDSTAND AND EVENT SPACE DOWN THERE.

MY MAIN CONCERN WITH THIS WOULD BE REGARDING THE PLAYGROUND.

I DISAGREE WITH HAVING IT AS KIND OF A NON TRADITIONAL.

I THINK THAT I LOVE CENTRAL PARK, I'M THERE A LOT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY LOGISTICAL TO COME DOWNTOWN, HAVE DINNER, TRY AND GET ICE CREAM, AND THEN TAKE A TWO YEAR OLD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THERE TO THE PARK.

WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO HANG OUT DOWN HERE, THERE'S A BAND, THERE'S AN EVENT.

IT'D BE REALLY GREAT IF THERE WAS MORE OF AN ACTUAL PLAYGROUND WHERE KIDS CAN GO AND PLAY, AND SOME OF THE NON TRADITIONAL STUFF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT KIDS COULD REALLY PLAY AND CLIMB.

AND SO ARE YOU CONCERNED MORE ABOUT LIKE AGE APPROPRIATENESS LIKE.

YEAH. SO THAT LIKE A RANGE OF KIDS CAN PLAY ON IT.

KNOW IF IT'S GEARED TOWARDS OLDER KIDS, THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO COME IN WITH KIDS, AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYWHERE DOWNTOWN FOR THE KIDS TO JUST LIKE, GO PLAY.

I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, CENTRAL PARK IS GREAT, BUT IT IS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO COME DOWNTOWN FOR THE EVENING, IT'S A PRETTY FAR WALK TO GET BACK DOWN THERE AND THEN BACK DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH.

AND THEN REGARDING THE PLAYGROUND, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT PLACEMENT FOR LITTLE KIDS..

WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

I WAS LIKE, IT'S RIGHT ON THE PARKING AND THE TRAIN TRACKS, LIKE ALL OF THAT.

LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MAYBE EVERY YEAR, THE NUMBER THREE OR THE NUMBER 14 ON HERE.

YEAH, I THINK MAYBE IF YOU COULD GET IT OFF THE PARKING WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE THAT SEEMS A LITTLE DANGEROUS.

YEAH. NO.

AGREED. WE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING GUIDELINES, I THINK EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP ABOUT THE AGE RANGE THAT, THAT THE PLAYGROUND WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR. AND WE WOULD DICTATE THAT AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT IT TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AGE RANGE.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FOR YOUNGER FAMILIES, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN THAT.

SO THERE'S PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, THREE STORIES TALL, LIKE CENTRAL PARK, WHICH I GET KIND OF TAKES AWAY FROM SOME OF THE ESTHETIC IDEAS FOR THIS ONE. BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S KIND OF ENOUGH THINGS THAT YOU COULD TURN THE KIDS LOOSE ON AND THEY CAN KIND OF PLAY AND IT'S NOT JUST RIGHT, KNOW SOME OF IT, I FEEL LIKE YOU KIND OF HAVE TO WATCH THEM A LOT ON, SO THEN THEY'RE NOT HURTING THEMSELVES.

SO YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. GO AHEAD.

I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE NUMBERS.

AND NUMBER ONE HAS CONNECTS TO WALL TO RYANAIR I THINK THERE'S 2 OR 3 PROPERTIES BETWEEN PARKING LOT.

ARE YOU WORKING WITH THOSE OWNERS THROUGH RYANAIR.

THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES.

ONE OF THE OWNERS, DAVID COOK, IS HERE.

YES THERE.

AND ALSO ON THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD.

HE'S A MEMBER. SO I MEAN, CLEARLY WE ARE WORKING WITH HIM.

THE OTHER AS FAR AS DEVELOPING THAT SIDEWALK THAT WOULD GO DOWN THERE.

WE JUST HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED TO ADDRESS THAT.

WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED IT YET.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY ON THE PLAN WAS THAT A SIDEWALK WOULD CONTINUE DOWN THERE.

THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY, THEN TO WORK WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, I THINK.

AND MY. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE IT'S BEYOND MY PAY GRADE, BUT TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, IF IF THEY NEED THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK IN THAT AREA, I'M SURE THAT IT WOULD BE THE CITY THAT WOULD WORK WITH THEM, NOT OUR BOARD.

SO THE BAND SHELL ON THIS ONE HERE, TO ME, I THINK ON THE ORIGINAL 1 IN 2020 MADE MORE SENSE FACING THE OCEAN BECAUSE THERE IS PROPERTIES ACROSS THAT RAILROAD TRACK THAT I KNOW THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN RIGHT ACROSS THAT RAILROAD TRACK FROM THERE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE FACING THE OCEAN WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, IS HAVING THAT BAND SHELL ON THE ORIGINAL 2020 VERSION FACING THE OCEAN.

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AND AS FAR AS SHADE IS CONCERNED, I THINK THE BAND OR WHATEVER IS PERFORMING UP THERE WOULD BE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE THE SUNSET VIEW, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THAT THE BAND SHELL ON THAT SIDE WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE.

HAVING THE NOISE GO WHERE IT WOULD DROWN OUT EVENTUALLY IN THE RIVER.

UM, SO AS MISS BOATWRIGHT SAID, THERE IS NO PLACE TO TAKE KIDS DOWNTOWN TO GO PLAY.

AND TIMOTHY'S IS THE ONLY THING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, HEY, LET'S GO DOWN THERE BECAUSE THEY GOT A LITTLE PLAYGROUND IN THEIR BACK SPOT THAT THE GRANDKIDS CAN RUN AROUND AND PLAY, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE TO GO.

I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE GOLF CART PARKINGS AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THAT IN THERE OR..

WE DO, THERE IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE.

OKAY. RIGHT THERE.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S ABOUT ON MY PART THERE.

I DIDN'T SEE THAT. I DIDN'T POINT IT OUT.

SO NO BAD ON YOUR PART.

AND AS FAR AS SHADE I THINK IT'S VITAL I THINK IT'S AND WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT TO HAVE IT FOR YEARS TO COME, I WAS PART OF THE BABE RUTH LEAGUE AND WE PUT PALM TREES OVER ALL OF THE DUGOUTS, THINKING IN THE FUTURE THAT IT WOULD PROVIDE SHADE FOR THE BRICK PLACES THAT THE KIDS WERE IN.

AND TO THIS DAY, THEY'RE STILL UP AND I THINK IT WORKS REALLY WELL.

YOU MIGHT HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THAT.

SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO GET AS MUCH SHADE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN DOWN THERE.

AND AS FAR AS NAMES, I MEAN, WE HAVE MAIN BEACH PARK, RIGHT? IS THAT THE NAME OF IT? WE HAVE CENTRAL PARK.

THE NAME SHOULD BE DOWNTOWN PARK, JUST..

WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SUNSET PARK, SUNSET PARK.

SO I DON'T KNOW I'LL FLOAT THAT OUT THERE.

WE HAVE ONE ALREADY CALLED SUNSET PARK.

NO SUNRISE.

SUNRISE. YOU COULD START YOUR DAY THERE AND FINISH IT HERE.

SO MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.

I MEAN, NORTH BEACH IS NORTH BEACH.

RIGHT. IT'S MAIN BEACH IS MAIN BEACH AND CENTRAL PARK IS CENTRALLY LOCATED.

SO I THINK A GOOD QUICK NAME WOULDN'T HURT.

DOWNTOWN PARK IS MY SUGGESTION.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

AND ONE MORE.

I LOVE THAT YOU'VE GOT A POLLINATOR GARDEN IN THERE.

YEAH, I KNEW YOU WOULD.

AND I WOULD ALSO, NOT A SURPRISE, RECOMMEND NATIVE TREES WHEREVER POSSIBLE.

THEY WILL LAST.

AND I THINK YOU COULD FIND PEOPLE THAT WOULD HELP TAKE CARE OF THEM TO MAKE THEY MAKE SURE THEY GET A GOOD START.

UM, ARE THERE BENCHES ALONG? I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GREAT.

I'M SURE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

BENCHES ALONG UNDER THE TREES LOOKING OUT.

YEAH. I THINK THIS AREA WAS INTENDED KIND OF AS THAT MAIN INNER WALKWAY, AND IT COULD CERTAINLY HAVE BENCHES ALONG.

YOU COULD YOU COULD ALMOST TRADE THE BANDSTAND PAVILION FOR THE PLAYGROUND AND PUT THE PLAYGROUND RIGHT.

WITH WALLY'S THOUGHT OF MOVING THAT BANDSTAND I CAN'T RUN INTO THE RIVER TO HAD A WALL.

THEY WOULD HAVE THE WALL. YOU'LL HAVE THE WALL.

I ASSUME THERE WOULD BE A WALL.

I THOUGHT THAT THERE IS A WALL.

I'M GUESSING THERE'LL BE A WALL FOR ALL THIS, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT.

AND THEN THE BANDSTAND WOULD BE BEHIND THE VIEW.

YEAH, PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THE BANDSTAND.

MAYBE, BUT IT LOOKS GREAT.

GOOD. THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK.

THANKS. I JUST HAD ONE MORE COMMENT.

BASED ON WHAT WALLY SAID ABOUT TIMOTHY'S.

I MEAN, MAYBE YOU COULD COMMISSION SOMETHING LIKE A SHRIMP BOAT STRUCTURE.

KIND OF LIKE THE ONE AT TIMOTHY'S.

I'M THINKING THAT TOO, TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO TIE BACK INTO THE HISTORY OF OUR TOWN.

YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD RELATE IN A, IN A WAY THAT CHILDREN WOULD ENJOY BUT RELATE TO REALLY WHAT THE HISTORY OF THAT SPACE IS.

SO AND YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY AS YOU WALK ALONG THAT WALKWAY TO SEE THE SHRIMP BOATS THAT ARE STILL DOCKED AT DAVID COOK'S PROPERTY AND TO SEE THE OTHER BOATS. SO IT REALLY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT'S THEMED THAT WAY.

HAVE YOU YOU MIGHT HAVE HAVE YOU VISITED? I THINK IT'S CALLED SOUTH BEACH PARK AT JAX BEACH.

SUNSHINE. SUNSHINE IS THE PARK WHERE THE WHOLE THING IS CALLED SOUTH BEACH.

IT SOUNDED JAX BEACH NEAR BUTLER, I THINK, BUT IT'S IT'S REALLY COOL AND IT'S WORTH A VISIT.

THEIR PLAYGROUND I JUST WENT RECENTLY FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THEY HAVE LIKE A WHALE THAT KIDS CAN LIKE GO IN AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PLAY THINGS.

IT'S REALLY COOL. AND THEY HAVE A ROCKET SHIP, BUT IT'S ALL REALLY NICE LOOKING AND WELL DONE.

SO IT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS FOR HOW TO.

THEY'VE GOT LIKE A WHOLE TIKI AREA FOR LITTLE KIDS.

IT'S KIND OF BEACH THEMED.

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SO IT MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS FOR SOME NON TRADITIONAL THINGS THAT WOULD KIND OF LOOK GOOD.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE VISITED THERE CATHERINE, BUT IT'S A REALLY COOL PARK.

YEAH IT'S NICE.

IT REALLY IS GOOD. THAT'S GOOD.

A REALLY COOL SKATE PARK RIGHT NEXT TO THE PARK AND THEY HAVE LIKE A SPLASH PAD AND BEACH VOLLEYBALL AND TRAILS.

I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED. THEY HAD A LOT OF STUFF THERE.

SO THE BEST SKATE PARKS.

AWESOME. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? OKAY. I JUST HAVE ONE THING.

SURE, TOM. FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE MULTI USE PAVILION WHERE WE JUST DON'T USE IT THERE, BUT WE CAN USE IT ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH TO ME IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE MORE CULTURAL ARTS AND CRAFTS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, PLAYING ACROSS THE CITY.

AND IT GIVES US ANOTHER AVENUE OF, IN THEORY, I THINK, MORE PROFESSIONALLY LOOKING ACROSS THE CITY. SECOND OF ALL, I REALLY LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE ABILITY TO USE THAT AREA IN A VERY PRODUCTIVE WAY ON A STEADY BASIS BECAUSE OF OUR WEATHER HERE.

WE CAN HAVE THAT BEING USED QUITE A BIT DURING THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO THIS IDEA OF INVESTING INTO THIS AREA IS A WELL THOUGHT PROCESS AND I REALLY ENJOY IT.

THE IDEA OF THIS MAY COME TO FRUITION AT SOME POINT.

AND DO YOU HAVE A YEAR FOR US? PLEASE? DO I HAVE A YEAR AS TO WHEN WE MIGHT DO THIS? YES. WELL, LET'S HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THIS THROUGH THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD IN JANUARY AND THEN STAFF CAN START MOVING FORWARD.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO ESTABLISH A TIMELINE BASED ON DESIGN AND FUNDING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

BUT YEAH, SO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WE'D LIKE TO JUST KEEP SEE IT, KEEP GOING.

WOULD THIS BE A PROJECT THAT'S FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES BECAUSE IT'S IS IT NEW OR IS IT A REDO? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE FINAL DESIGN.

YEAH, YEAH.

BUT I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ISN'T A NEED BASED ON THE GROWING POPULATION.

SO IT'S PRETTY.

THE OTHER THING, TOM, TO YOUR COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AND WALLY, YOU'LL KNOW THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN ARE THE STREET CLOSURES FOR NEW EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

SO THE COMMISSION IS GRANDFATHERED, YOU KNOW, EVENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING AND INVOLVE STREET CLOSURES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES TO THAT.

AND IT'S YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WHEN WE GET SOMEBODY THAT COMES BEFORE THE SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE LOOKING FOR APPROVAL, IF IT'S A NEW CLOSURE OF CENTER STREET, WE'RE REFERRING THEM TO CENTRAL PARK OR LOOKING AT MAIN BEACH.

BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A DOWNTOWN LOCATION TO SAY, HERE'S A PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY IS MADE TO ACCOMMODATE MUSIC OR A CRAFT AND ART SHOW OR WHATEVER IT WOULD BE. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT SPACE AVAILABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND HAVING THE PETANQUE COURTS THERE, WHILE THEY COULD BE USED FOR PETANQUE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME IF WE HAD A SPECIAL EVENT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD STOP US FROM USING THEM AT THAT TIME EITHER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THEY HAVE A FENCE AROUND THEM.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE OPEN.

SO SO IT'S FLEXIBLE.

DOES IS THERE A NON PROFIT FOR FOR THE BATON THAT IS THINKING ON POSSIBLY PUTTING A PORTION IN TO HELP THIS INTO FRUITION TO MAKE IT? I DON'T HAVE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

BUT MAKE A NOTE.

JUST CHECKING TO SEE.

JUST WONDERED IF THERE MIGHT BE THAT INTEREST ON THEIR BEHALF TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS HAPPENS, THAT THOSE, YOU KNOW, IF TREES NEED TO BE THERE OR FOR SHADES OR.

RIGHT. AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WHEN THE INITIAL PARKING DESIGN WAS DONE, THE GROUP WAS CONSULTED TO MAKE.

MAKE SURE THAT WE KNEW HOW MANY COURTS THEY NEEDED FOR THE TOURNAMENT, THAT THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO FIT THEM IN WITH THIS CONFIGURATION.

SO ALL OF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WITH THE PARKING PLAN, THE ORIGINAL SLIDE THAT WE SHOWED.

SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED THEM TO WORK WITH THEM OR ANYTHING ON FUNDING.

SO BUT REALLY I THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR COMMENTS.

THIS WAS GREAT FEEDBACK.

I MADE A BUNCH OF NOTES, SO I APPRECIATE IT.

LISA. IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

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OH, SO CHIP ROSS TO TEN NORTH THIRD STREET.

AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, NOT FOR ANY OTHER AUGUST BODIES.

SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE HIGH BACK CURVES.

YEAH. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THOSE WERE PUT IN? WELL, LET ME EXPLAIN. THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MIND.

THOSE CURBS WERE PUT IN BECAUSE THE RAILROAD DEMANDED NOBODY GO ON THEIR PROPERTY.

AND INSTEAD OF PUTTING A FENCE THERE, THOSE CURVES WERE DEVELOPED.

SO THERE'S NO FENCE NOW, BUT IT KEEPS IT'S DOING EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO TO KEEP CARS FROM GOING ONTO THE RAILROAD PROPERTY, BECAUSE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS PEOPLE WOULD VEER OFF ONTO THE RIGHT, ONTO THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY, AND IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE.

SO THAT'S WHY THOSE HIGH BACK CURVES ARE THERE.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN PRETTY EFFECTIVE KEEPING PEOPLE OFF THERE.

AND PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED NOT TO HIT THEM.

SECOND, ABOUT A SIDEWALK GOING DOWN SOUTH FRONT STREET.

THERE'S A SEAWALL THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE RESILIENCY WALL, AND CERTAINLY A SIDEWALK COULD BE PART OF THAT.

BUT THAT'S FOR A DIFFERENT DESIGN.

THAT'S GOT REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

I THINK THOSE WERE.

THE TWO THINGS THAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANKS. THANK YOU.

OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? FOR TOM. CAUGHT THE BATON.

CAUGHT THE BATON. GROUP IS TAKEN CARE.

THERE IS A NON PROFIT.

THE PRESIDENT'S RIGHT HERE.

BATON GROUP.

THE BATON CLUB'S OVER 100 PEOPLE.

IT'S A NON PROFIT.

AND THEY THE ONES WHO PUT IN MOSTLY PUT IN THOSE BATON COURTS THAT ARE THERE NOW WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY.

AND THEY'VE PUT MONEY INTO IT.

SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

OH I THINK THANK YOU.

I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU ALL WOULD SHOW CONSENSUS ON THE FIVE, THE FIVE ELEMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THEM AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR BOARD MEETINGS.

SO NOT NECESSARILY A VOTE, BUT JUST KIND OF SHOW CONSENSUS.

THANK YOU. YES, I SUPPORT OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A MOTION.

WE NEED A MOTION. YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST IF.. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE THAT WE SUPPORT THE FIVE ELEMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US ? I THINK WE DO. I LIKE ADDING THE NON TRADITIONAL.

YEAH. I'D LIKE TO HAVE NON TRADITIONAL REMOVED FOR SUPPORT BECAUSE TO ME IT JUST FROM THE DESCRIPTION SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T GOING TO BE AS MUCH OF A PLAY AREA.

SO I AGREE, IF IT WAS JUST A PLAYGROUND AREA THEN I WOULD SUPPORT THAT ONE.

BUT THE SIMPLE NON TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND AREA SEEMS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, MAKE IT NOT AS MUCH OF A PRIORITY.

WOULD THAT BE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD AS A WHOLE WITH.

SO BASICALLY THE BANDSHELL MULTI USE PAVILION WAS STAGE SIDEWALKS FOR CONNECTIVITY, RESTROOMS, SHADE AND THEN CHANGING THE IDEA OF THE PLAYGROUND PLAY AREA TO BE MORE TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND.

WOULD THAT BE CONSENSUS FOR ALL OF YOU? WOULD YOU SAY THE WORD SIMPLE PLAYGROUND AREA WITH THE WORD NON TRADITIONAL? YES. JUST TAKE NON TRADITIONAL OUT OF THAT.

WOULD THAT IS THAT HELPFUL TO YOU TO KNOW ANYTHING ELSE.

ANY ANYTHING ELSE. CLARIFYING OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR READING.

NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE'RE STILL GOING. OKAY.

NUMBER EIGHT. NUMBER EIGHT, STAFF REPORT.

[8. STAFF REPORT]

IF YOU'VE DRIVEN DOWN FLETCHER AND LOOKED TOWARDS THE OCEAN, YOU'LL SEE BEACH ACCESS.

1640 AND SEASIDE ARE BEING WORKED ON RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED.

HOPEFULLY THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

WE'LL KEEP UPDATING YOU ALL ON THAT.

ALSO, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO SIMMONS PARK LATELY, OUR PARKS DIVISIONS DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB OUT THERE INSTALLING THE SIX DIFFERENT NATURE STATIONS FOR THE NATURE TRAIL. THE LEAF SIGNS AND THE BENCHES SHOULD BE IN FOR ALL SIX STATIONS.

AND THEN WE'RE WORKING WITH WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A TRAIL MAP.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT INSTALLED AND ALSO IDENTIFY SOME REALLY COOL APPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING OUT THERE, LIKE A BIRDING APP.

AND ALSO AGENTS OF DISCOVERY.

IF ANYONE'S BEEN TO THE ZOO WITH THEIR WITH THEIR KIDDOS, THERE WE HAVE.

WE'RE GETTING THE SAME APP THAT THEY HAVE OUT THERE AT THE ZOO.

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IT DOES IT. WE DO IT EVERY YEAR.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, KATIE, IF I CAN PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

KATIE'S GOT SOME EXCITING NEWS ABOUT THE HOLIDAYS.

SHE IS IN CHARGE OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS, HER AND HER TEAM.

AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THE FLIER UP, AREN'T YOU? YEP. NICE. OF COURSE, YOU MAY KNOW ME AS KATIE RIVERA, PARKS AND RECREATION MANAGER, BUT THIS TIME OF YEAR, I'M KATIE CHRISTMAS.

SO I GOT TO THROW ON A JOKE, YOU KNOW? SO STARTING TOMORROW, YOU WILL SEE OUR CHRISTMAS TREES GOING UP DOWN CENTER STREET.

YOU WILL SEE OUR CHRISTMAS TREE DOWN IN PARKING LOT A BEING INSTALLED.

AND THEN NEXT WEEK WE'LL WRAP THAT UP WITH THE POCKET PARK CHRISTMAS TREE, THE LIVE ONE THAT WE PUT DOWN AND DECORATE.

ALL OF THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE EVENT THAT WE ARE HAVING ON FRIDAY, THE FRIDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.

TYPICALLY IN YEARS PAST WE HAVE HAD THESE TWO EVENTS SEPARATED.

SO THE PAJAMA PARTY WAS A MAIN STREET EVENT ON THE FRIDAY AFTER THANKSGIVING, AND THEN THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING WAS SATURDAY.

WE DECIDED WHY NOT COMBINE AND MAKE IT A BIGGER AND BETTER EVENT? SO THERE'S A BLACK FRIDAY PAJAMA PARTY WHICH IS DOWN CENTER SECOND STREET.

THERE'LL BE MUSIC AND YOU KNOW ALL THE THINGS MAIN STREET DOES.

THAT WILL END AT 4:00.

AND OUR EVENT, THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING WILL START RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

SO WE PLAN TO HAVE SANTAS IN SOME WAY MARCH PEOPLE DOWN FROM SECOND STREET TO PARKING LOT A ESCORTED BY THE POLICE, OF COURSE. SO IT'S SAFE.

AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE RAD DANCERS DO A LITTLE PERFORMANCE LIKE THEY DO EVERY YEAR.

AND THEN THE NASSAU COMMUNITY BAND WILL PERFORM, AND THAT WILL LEAD US INTO THE LIGHTING RIGHT AT 6:00.

SO THERE'LL BE A SING ALONG AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF, AND SANTA WILL BE THERE TO TAKE PICTURES LIKE HE DOES EVERY YEAR.

AND THE PIRATES WILL BE DOING THEIR S'MORES LIKE THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

SO THAT IS US.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, ONLY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO DO IT ON THAT DAY, BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S KIND OF LOUNGING AROUND AND ALREADY DOWN THERE AND SO MUCH COOL STUFF GOING ON.

BUT HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE COMMUNICATED? BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USED TO DOING IT ON SATURDAY FOR IT.

YEAH. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA A LOT, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN DO A VIDEO, ASK THE MAYOR TO POST THE VIDEO HIMSELF, JUST GET IT OUT THERE.

BUT WE CAN UP OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, MAYBE AT NEWSPAPER POST, WHICH I'M SURE MARY'S ALREADY ON.

IT MIGHT BE GOOD, LISA, TO MAYBE TALK TO YOUR MAIN STREET OR PUT IT ON YOUR MAIN STREET STORE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TELLING PEOPLE TOO, BECAUSE LIKE WHILE PEOPLE ARE IN THE STORES ON FRIDAY REMINDING THEM THAT IT IS ON THERE.

AND YEAH, WE HAVE DISTRIBUTED LIKE 100 OF THESE POSTERS.

SO THEY'RE NOW ALL NO POSTERS DOWNTOWN.

YEP. THERE'S POSTERS DOWNTOWN AND ALL THE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN THE BLACK THE PAJAMA PARTY EVENT WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING THAT DAY.

AND WE PLAN PARKS AND RECREATION WILL HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE BOOTH THERE.

SO. NICE. GOOD.

THANK YOU. THAT SOUNDS FUN.

SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU.

SO, SECOND STREET CLOSED AND DOWN TO THE END.

OKAY. OKAY.

BOARD. MEMBER. COMMENTS.

[9. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS]

SO THERE WAS A RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL, AND THEY COMBINED FRIENDS AND FERNADINA SKATE PARK TO HAVE A SKATE COMPETITION. THERE WAS CLOSE TO 40 KIDS OUT THERE, AND THE RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL CAME UP AND TOLD US THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS LONG TIME AGO.

SO IT WAS A GREAT TIME OUT THERE.

AND IF EVERYBODY WENT ON SATURDAY, BUT SATURDAY WAS THE DAY TO BE THERE, AND I WAS VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT.

AND THE RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL HAS ASKED US TO JOIN THEM AGAIN FOR NEXT YEAR.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

I'M NEW ON THE COMMITTEE.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHO WHO WHAT PART OF THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LANDSCAPING ON CENTER STREET? IS IT PARKS? REC? SO THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DISCUSSED NOW, IT'S KIND OF A JOINT EFFORT RIGHT NOW, BUT IS THERE A SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU HAVE REGARDING THE LANDSCAPE?

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WELL, YOU KNOW, WASTE MANAGEMENT DOES A REAL GOOD JOB PICKING UP THE TRASH.

YEAH. I'M ONE OF THE GUYS THAT WALKS HER DOG AT 7:00 IN THE MORNING.

THERE'S A GROUP DOWN THERE, AND WE USED TO HAVE A COUPLE GUYS PICKING UP, PICKING UP THE TRASH THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE TRASH CANS, AND IT SEEMS TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF TRASH NOW DOWN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP.

AND NOBODY'S DOING THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE JOB FOR.

THE CITY AND OR IF IT'S A JOB FOR THE PARKS.

BUT WHO USED TO SUPPLY THE GUYS THAT PICKED UP THE TRASH? I'M NOT SURE WHO EXACTLY YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT, BUT WE DO HAVE STAFF THAT THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO DOWNTOWN.

AND THEY THEY DO GO BY AND CHECK IT.

NOBODY'S PICKING UP THE TRASH THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE GARBAGE CANS.

OKAY, WELL, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.

WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.

IT'S ALSO WE HAVE TWO CONTAINERS FOR POOP BAGS FOR DOGS.

THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY BAGS IN THERE FOR MONTHS.

I KNOW, IT'S VERY INTERESTING.

WE FILL IT UP IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO DAYS LATER, THEY'RE ALL GONE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

SO WE'RE TAKING THAT MONEY.

I KNOW THERE AREN'T THAT MANY DOGS IN A FEW DAYS.

THIS IS A VERY DOG FRIENDLY TOWN.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'S A LOT OF DOGS DOWN THERE.

YEAH, MOST PEOPLE HAVE THEIR.

YES. NO, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK.

LOOK INTO IT. YOU'RE TAKING ALL OF THEM.

DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? YEAH.

READY FOR NEXT TIME? I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T.

TRACKING DEVICES ON CAMERA.

DID I MISS THE NOVEMBER KIDS CALENDAR OR DID YOU DO ONE? YEAH I DID.

OKAY, I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU.

THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE I LOOKED FOR IT.

AND IN REGARDS TO THAT, ARE WE STILL DOING THE TODDLER PLAYTIME ON WEDNESDAY MORNINGS? WE HAVE.

SO WE SWITCHED IT UP FOR NOVEMBER A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU DON'T MIND ME GOING AHEAD, WE NOW HAVE.

I WISH I COULD PULL IT UP, BUT I CAN'T.

OKAY, BUT WE NOW HAVE ON MONDAYS WE HAVE PLAY AND CREATE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A FREE SPACE.

IT'S AT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING RECREATION CENTER.

WE HAVE A FREE SPACE FOR KIDS TO PLAY.

WE HAVE LITTLE THINGS FOR TODDLERS TO CLIMB ON.

AND THEN WE DO AN ART PROJECT SO SIMILAR TO ART IN THE PARK, BUT A LITTLE MORE CONDENSED.

OKAY, WEDNESDAYS IS STORYTIME, WHICH IS OPEN TO ALL, ALL AGES.

AND THEN FRIDAYS IS STILL RHYTHM AND MUSIC.

MOLLY. SO BECAUSE I WENT IN OCTOBER ON ONE OF THE DAYS, THAT WAS THE TODDLER PLAYTIME AND I WAS THE ONLY PERSON AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, THERE HASN'T REALLY BEEN ANYBODY.

SO I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WE TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

AND THEN I WENT THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER AND THERE WAS NOBODY, WHICH MAKES SENSE, THAT YOU SWITCHED IT UP BECAUSE I BROUGHT FRIENDS THAT WEEK.

WE JUST PLAYED ON THE PLAYGROUND STILL, AND THERE WAS NOBODY WHO WORKED FOR THE CITY THERE.

SO I WAS LIKE, I THINK I MISSED SOMETHING.

WE PIVOTED A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GETTING WHAT WE WANTED.

YEAH, SO WE HAVE A SMALLER SPACE WITH MUCH MORE TO DO IN THAT SPACE.

YEAH. SO MAKES SENSE.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS TIME.

IF IT DOESN'T WORK THIS TIME, WE'LL GO A DIFFERENT WAY, OKAY.

UNTIL WE FIND SOMETHING THAT STICKS.

BUT WE DID. WE HAVE HAD EIGHT TO THIS PAST ONE WE JUST HAD WAS EIGHT PEOPLE.

OKAY. SO THAT'S GREAT.

YEAH. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

GO AHEAD. UM, I WAS AT THE RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL ALL DAY SATURDAY, ALL DAY SUNDAY FROM START TO FINISH.

IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT.

YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB.

THERE WAS NO IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WENT WRONG, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE BEEN THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNEW IT BECAUSE IT WAS SEEMINGLY JUST VERY, VERY GREAT AND IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.

AND IT'S FUN TO SEE THAT THING GROW YEAR OVER YEAR.

SO THANKS FOR THAT AND EVERYBODY DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT.

SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR THAT.

AND THEN I HAVE ONE QUESTION ONLY BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED TO ME, I USUALLY DO THE GREENWAY LIKE FROM HICKORY STREET OVER TO THE REC CENTER. SO I GUESS THAT'S THE NORTH SIDE.

BUT I VENTURED OUT TO THE SOUTH SIDE AND TRIED TO FOLLOW THE SIGN AND GOT LOST.

SO I THINK THERE'S A SIGN OVER THERE THAT IS NOT REALLY CLEAR, AND I'LL GO OVER THERE WITH YOU GUYS ON A BIKE IF YOU WANT TO, BUT I'M NOT WALKING BECAUSE THAT WAS A LONG WAY. I WAS LIKE, STUCK.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, I WILL BE BETTER AT TAKING A PICTURE OF WHERE IT IS AND MAYBE DROPPING A PIN TO YOU ABOUT WHERE IT IS, BECAUSE IF I WAS CONFUSED AND I KIND OF KNEW WHERE I SHOULD HAVE ENDED UP, I BET THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THERE MIGHT BE CONFUSED.

AND THERE'S A BIG ALLIGATOR OVER THERE, SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE LOST WITH THAT.

AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS WHAT?

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AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT THAT'S LOOKING LIKE OUT THERE FOR YOUR PROGRESS.

OH FOR YOUR. YEAH, YEAH.

SO WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DOING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OR COMPLETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FAA AS WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY AND CHANGING THAT LAND FROM SOFTBALL TO SOCCER AND ALSO FROM SOCCER TO AIRPORT.

SO WE'RE STILL WITHIN THE PAPER SHUFFLE OF ALL THAT.

HAVE THERE BEEN ANY LIKE PRELIMINARY DESIGNS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OR.

OH, DEFINITELY NOT. DEFINITELY NOT THERE YET.

WE'RE JUST THROUGH THE BORING PAPERWORK PART.

OKAY. THE NO, NO DESIGN CONCEPTS HAVE BEEN DRAWN UP OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT YET.

SO BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND STUFF OUT THERE THIS, THIS YEAR, LIKE I WAS TOLD THAT LIKE ONE RAIN AND THEY COULDN'T PLAY FOR FOUR DAYS, THAT IT WAS THAT DRASTIC.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME IS WE'RE I UNDERSTAND WE GOT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND WORK OUT THOSE LOGISTICAL THINGS, BUT WHAT SEASON, HOW MANY SEASONS ARE WE LOOKING FORWARD TO THINKING THAT MIGHT BE A REALITY FOR THE NEW OH TWO? HOW LONG UNTIL IT'S CHANGED? IS IT LIKE NOT? IS IT NEXT YEAR? IS IT THE 2025? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA LIKE I KNOW, I KNOW THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN NOW.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IF I HAVE THIS WRONG.

BUT THE PAPERWORK PROCESS IS A 9 TO 10 MONTH PROCESS.

JUST THE JUST THIS WORKING WITH THE FAA AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO HAVE FOR THE THE LAND SWITCH.

SO PROBABLY DEFINITELY WITHIN YEAR AND A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD I WOULD THAT'S KIND OF THE FEEL I'M GETTING.

BUT THAT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW.

THANK YOU. YEAH THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING I DON'T I GOT ONE MORE I GOT ONE MORE.

GO AHEAD. ONE MORE ITEM IS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF LOSING OUR POCKET PARK DOWNTOWN BY THE COFFEE SHOP.

AND THERE'S TWO OTHER VACANT LOTS DOWNTOWN.

ONE BY LINDY'S IS FOR SALE.

SIGN ON IT, BUT THE OTHER ONE'S BETWEEN C 21 AND PEPPERS RESTAURANT.

AND I WONDER IF ANYBODY IN THE CITY IS IN CONTACT WITH THAT OWNER TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT A POCKET PARK DOWN THERE.

I AM NOT AWARE, NOR AM I INVOLVED IN ANY OF ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HERE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU AND FIND OUT.

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FIND OUT IF THE CITY IS PURSUING PURCHASING ANY OF THOSE PROPERTIES? WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PURCHASING.

WE DIDN'T PURCHASE THE OTHER ONE EITHER.

ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A LEASE CURRENTLY WITH THAT.

WITH THE POCKET PARK LOCATION.

WE ARE IN A WE ARE IN A LEASE WITH THEM.

DOES ANYBODY COME IN CONTACT WITH THAT OWNER? WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH THAT OWNER.

OKAY. YES.

YES. WE JUST RE SIGNED THE LEASE.

DO THEY HAVE ANY FEELING ABOUT IT? I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT.

I'VE NO IDEA.

WE DID SEND THEM. WE RENEWED A LEASE FOR THE POCKET PARK.

YES. FOR HOW LONG? IT WAS A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE YEAR.

JUST ONE. OKAY. ONE YEAR.

YEP. SO ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEW BOARD MEMBER OR THE APPLICATION ABOUT, DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR BOARD MEMBER FOR.

YEAH. WHICH BOARD WAS THERE? ONE MORE. WE DO HAVE A VACANCY.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE I THINK WE DO HAVE ONE.

YOU WERE SPEAKING TO THAT. YEAH.

SO SCOTT MICHAELSON DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND.

YEAH. SO MR. NORRIS IS IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. NORRIS WILL BE NOT SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE ONE VACANT SPOT AFTER THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

AND WITH THAT, THERE IS WE DO HAVE ONE CURRENT APPLICATION THAT IS INTERESTED IN THE BOARD FIRST AND THEN WITH THE POSSIBILITY IF THERE IF THAT POSITION WOULDN'T OPEN UP, THEN THEY WOULD ARE INTERESTED IN ARTS AND CULTURE, WHICH IS ANOTHER BOARD THAT WE, OUR STAFF LIAISONS FOR.

SO YES, WE WOULD HAVE ONE SPOT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS OF NOW, BECAUSE MR. NORRIS WILL NOT BE SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT.

AND WHEN DOES THAT END? AND THAT WOULD END AT THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR.

OKAY. YEAH. SO VERY SHORTLY.

SO I'M GOING TO CONFIRM WITH MR. NORRIS THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO SEEK REAPPOINTMENT.

AND THEN WE WOULD PRESENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, POSSIBLY SOMETIME IN DECEMBER WITH THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL.

OR IF WE GET OTHER APPLICANTS THAT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION THEN FOR REAPPOINTMENT ON THIS BOARD.

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WELL, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 5TH.

OH, IS IT THE. YEAH.

YEAH. SORRY.

MY BAD. YOU'RE RIGHT. DECEMBER 5TH.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE TOO LATE AT THIS STAGE TO GET AT LEAST THE ONE INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE I NEED TO CONFIRM WITH MR. NORRIS. SO IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYBODY ELSE, THEN YOU KNOW WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW.

AND THE WAY TO FIND OUT ABOUT THAT IS JUST TO GO TO THE..

THE WAY TO FIND OUT ABOUT OPENINGS OR? YEAH, I MEAN, IS IT ADVERTISED ANYWHERE.

YEAH. IT'S IT'S ADVERTISED MAINLY ON THE, ON THE CITY CLERK'S PORTION OF THE CITY WEBSITE.

YES. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. MY COMMENTS ARE REAL.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK CITY MANAGER MR. ROSS FOR BEING PRESENT TODAY.

YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME AT ANY OF THE PRAC MEETINGS.

THEY ARE QUITE INTERESTING AND I THINK HOLD A VERY IMPORTANT PART IN GIVING THE CITY COMMISSIONERS A MEANS OF HOW WE LOOK AT THINGS AND GOING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE.

SECOND OF ALL, THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PARKS AND REC HAD DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN KEEPING UP WITH THE PARKS.

I AM TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY WHEN I GO BY AND I SEE THE PARKS BEING MAINTAINED.

THEY HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALMOST, I THINK, A COMPLETE FULL STAFF, AM I CORRECT? ALMOST THERE, ALMOST THERE.

AND THESE GUYS HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF HOURS, AND THEY HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN KEEPING UP.

THIRD, ON BEHALF OF THE BABE RUTH, WE WILL BE HOSTING PROBABLY THE DISTRICTS AGAIN NEXT YEAR IN FERNANDINA FOR THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR.

AND I'VE PUT THE PAPERWORK THROUGH FOR BABE RUTH.

BUT I THINK OUR PARKS DEFINITELY SHOW BETTER THAN ANY OTHER PARK.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN SO MANY GOOD COMMENTS WHEN WE HELD THE DISTRICTS THERE LAST YEAR.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.