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>> LET ME CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL.
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
THIS IS OCTOBER THE 19TH.MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> IF YOU ALL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
RIGHT, MS. SYLVIE? WE'RE FULL.
>> MR. NORMAN IS ACTING AS AN ALTERNATE.
BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND, PLEASE DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS RELATIVE TO THE CASES THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT.
>> I DID ASK MR. MORRISON IF HE WAS DESIGNING THE REAR PART OF THE POCKET PARK PROJECT. HE INDICATED NO.
>> I JUST HAD A GENERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH PUBLIC REGARDING THE POCKET PARK CASE.
>> ACTUALLY, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT.
SO QUASI-JUDICIAL, PROBABLY DISCLOSE IT IS OKAY, BUT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO. TAMMY.
>> I RAN INTO HARRISON TODAY AT TIMOTHY'S, AND WE JUST DISCUSSED THE AGENDA, BUT NOTHING SPECIFIC AND NON-SPECIFIC CASES.
>> OKAY. MR. NORMAN, ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?
>> I JUST WANT TO DISCLOSE THAT I CAN SEE 501C DISTRICT FROM MY LIVING ROOM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT BUILDING, AND I HAVE TALKED VERY BRIEFLY WITH [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT THAT RENOVATION.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ANY SPECIFICS OF THE CASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. LET'S SEE.
COUNSEL, WOULD YOU BE SO KIND AS TO PRESENT THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES?
>> OF COURSE. HARRISON POOLE HERE FILLING IN TAMMY BACH, THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHO IS AWAY AT A CONFERENCE.
FOR ITEMS NUMBERS 4.1, 5.1 ON THE AGENDA, BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE QUASI-JUDICIAL, AND THAT MEANS THAT WE WILL BE SIMPLY RECEIVING EVIDENCE.
THE ORDER THEY'LL GO INTO IS INITIALLY STAFF WILL PRESENT THEIR REPORT WITH IT.
YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION APPLICATION ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN PUT IN PART OF THE RECORD AS EVIDENCE.
BUT STAFF WILL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN APPLICATION OR THEY CAN, OF COURSE, RELY ON STAFF'S REPORT AND ANALYSIS.
ANYONE THAT'S AFFECTED MAY ALSO TESTIFY DURING THE HEARING.
ANY TESTIMONY FROM ANYONE IS GOING TO BE UNDER OATH.
SO IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, WHEN ASKED BY THE CLERK, TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO ADMINISTER THE OATH.
IF LATER DURING THAT HEARING, YOU JUST CHANGE YOUR MIND AND DECIDE YOU WANT TO SPEAK, THAT'S OKAY.
JUST RAISE YOUR HAND, AND THE CHAIR WILL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AND WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH AT THAT TIME.
ONCE THE HEARING AT THAT POINT IS CLOSED, THEN THE BOARD WILL BEGIN THEIR DELIBERATIONS.
THERE'S NO VARIANCE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, SO A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO APPROVE A MOTION IS ALL REQUIRED.
ANY AGGRIEVED PARTY THAT WISHES TO APPEAL THE DECISION, WE WILL HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPEAL TO THE NASSAU COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT, AND THAT 30-DAY CLOCK STARTS WHEN THE ORDER OF THE FINDINGS OF FACT ARE SIGNED BY THE CHAIR.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS THIS EVENING?
ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY, PLEASE STAND UP NOW.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ONE-PERSON PRIVILEGE TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE OUR NEW CITY MANAGER TY ROSS, IS HERE AND HIS TWIN BROTHER, STATE COMMISSIONER JIM ROSS IS HERE.
[LAUGHTER] JEREMIAH IS HERE, AND I KNOW THIS IS OVERTIME FOR YOU, SO WE'LL TRY TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE I SHOULD BE RECOGNIZING, MS. SYLVIE? SHE KEEPS ME STRAIGHT UP.
>> THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] I LIVE TO SERVE, MA'AM.
WE'LL GO AHEAD THEN AND ASK FOR
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 21ST.I WASN'T HERE, SO I HOPE YOU ALL RUN, THEY GOOD? ANY CHANGES?
>> MOVED BY POYNTER, SECONDED BY?
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MS. SYLVIE, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES. NOT EVER SURE I SHOULD ROLL ON SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T WITNESS PERSONALLY, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD.
COUNSEL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
>> ALL RIGHT. IN THIS CASE. WE WILL BEGIN WITH OLD BUSINESS.
LET ME JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS TONIGHT, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE.
I'VE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT WITH JULIA, AFTER ALL.
THE FIRST TWO CASES ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO A VOTE OF THIS BOARD AND SUBJECT, AS COUNSEL SAID, TO APPEAL THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM.
WE WILL BE IN DISCUSSION OF OLD TOWN, WHICH INCLUDES THE MARINE STREET IMPROVEMENTS, AND MR. [INAUDIBLE] WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THAT.
WE ARE HERE STRICTLY TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY STAFF ON THAT PROPOSAL AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT COMES UP.
MR. CUMELLA, IF THAT PROJECT WAS TO GO FORWARD, WOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL OR WOULD THAT BE AT THE STAFF LEVEL, MARINE STREET?
>> THAT WOULD REQUIRE A COA FROM THE HDC, SO IT WOULD COME BACK FOR AN ACTUAL VOTE.
>> OKAY THEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
THEN WE WILL GO TO MR. CUMELLA AND HDC CASE 2022-0076,
[4.1 HDC 2022-0076 - BASHAM & LUCAS DESIGN GROUP INC, AGENT FOR CENTRE & THIRD, LLC, 209-211 CENTRE STREET 2ND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL for Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 1-Story commercial building. (Quasi-Judicial)]
BASHAM & LUCAS DESIGN FOR 209 AND 211 CENTER STREET, AND WE WILL RECOGNIZE FORMER HDC MEMBER AND A GUY WHO DESIGNED PART OF MY HOUSE, BENJAMIN MORRISON.>> NOT JUST YET, BUDDY. [LAUGHTER] SORRY, MY BAD.
>> [INAUDIBLE] WAIT, I FORGOT. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE LET SAL DO HIS THING FIRST.
>> I'M SITTING OVER HERE TONIGHT SO IT'S THROWN EVERYTHING OFF A LITTLE BIT.
>> NO, YOU'RE GOOD. WE LIKE YOU AT THAT DISTANCE.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M SAL CUMELLA, THE CITY'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER.
AS WE SAID, THIS IS FOR SECOND CONCEPTUAL.
WE HAVE SEEN THIS ONCE BEFORE IN A PREVIOUS CONCEPTUAL VERSION.
IT'S A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 209-211 CENTER STREET AND 99 NORTH, 3RD STREET.
IT'S A VACANT LOT, CURRENTLY USED AS A POCKET PARK.
THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL IS TO CONSTRUCT, IT'S IN TOTAL TWO BUILDINGS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS JUST THE MAIN BUILDING, WHICH IS A ONE STORY WITH A SMALL TWO-STOREY SECTION COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
3[NOISE] THIS IS THE AERIAL OF IT.
IT IS RIGHT NOW THREE PARCELS.
AS WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST, HISTORICALLY, THERE WAS A BUILDING THERE THAT WAS THE SAME SCALE AND MASSING AS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
THERE'S A VERY UNIQUE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO IT WITH THAT TURRET ON IT.
THE NEW BUILDING HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT AND FIT INTO THE STREETSCAPE THE WAY THE PREVIOUS BUILDING HAD FIT IN THAT STREETSCAPE.
THAT IS THE PICTURE OF IT THERE.
THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION, AS I SAID, IS INTENDED TO READ AS A CONTEMPORARY VERSION OF THAT BUILDING THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS THERE.
THE STRUCTURE BEING ONE STORY IN HEIGHT, IT DOES MEET ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR SETBACK, MASSING, HEIGHT, RHYTHM OF OPENINGS, AND MATERIALS.
STAFF DOES STILL FIND THAT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IS IN KEEPING WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SECOND CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF HDC 2022-0076. THANK YOU.
>> THIS PARTICULAR LAW, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT, RIGHT? THEY COULD HAVE GONE TWO STORIES LIKE THE BUILDINGS NEXT TO THEM?
>> CORRECT. YEAH. IT COULD HAVE BEEN TWO STORIES, BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP IT IN SCALE WITH WHAT WAS THERE, AND AGAIN, THAT TURRET, THEY'VE GONE ONE STORY, BUT THIS NEW VERSION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT DOES HAVE, IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, A SMALL SECOND STORY ADDITION. THANK YOU.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CUMELLA? SAL, WE DID THIS IN JANUARY, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY?
>> OF THIS YEAR. A DIFFERENT CONCEPTUAL WHICH HAD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ROOF LINE, PROBABLY MORE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY, BUT [INAUDIBLE].
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IF THERE AREN'T ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR SAL, I WOULD GO AHEAD AND CALL MR. MORRISON UP.IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD WITH YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> BENJAMIN MORRISON, BACHELOR LUCAS DESIGN GROUPS 7645 GATE PARKWAY, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
I THINK SAL DID A GOOD JOB AS A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT.
JUST AS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW WHEN IT WAS FIRST APPROVED CONCEPTUALLY BACK IN JANUARY OR WHATEVER THAT WAS.
THERE WASN'T REALLY ANY ANTICIPATED TENANT OR USE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING.
NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF STARTING TO WORK THROUGH WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THE PATTERNS OF FENESTRATION, THE OPENINGS, ALL THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE TAILORED TO WHAT THAT IS INTENDED TO BE, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN LOOKING AT SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE FENESTRATION OF THE BUILDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT THE OVERALL MASSING OF THE BUILDING AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT THAT THE PARAPET WALLS, ALL THAT STUFF IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS AS PROPOSED ORIGINALLY.
WE HAVE SUGGESTED YOU GO TO MORE OF A GABLED PARAPET IN THE FRONT INSTEAD OF THE ARCHED PARENTHOOD THAT WE'VE SHOWN THE FIRST TIME.
PRIMARY REASON FOR MY RATIONALE AND DOING THAT IS JUST FROM HISTORIC PRESERVATION STANDPOINT.
I TEND TO THINK THAT IT'S THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY FAVOR TRYING TO REPLICATE SOMETHING THAT WAS THERE IN THE PAST.
TO LITERALLY, I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT DOES A LITTLE BIT OF A DISSERVICE SOMETIMES.
I FELT LIKE IT WAS BETTER TO JUST KEEP WITH THE SAME MASSING.
ALSO, I FELT LIKE THE GABLED REFORM DIDN'T COMPETE WITH THE UNIQUE ARCHED ROOF THAT YOU SEE IN THE BUILDING THAT'S NEXT TO IT TO THE EAST.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE HAD ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE LAW ON THIRD STREET AND THE ANSWER TO THAT, IF IT WASN'T, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY CLEAR IN THESE DOCUMENTS, BUT THAT THAT BUILDING WAS APPROVED IN JANUARY AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN JANUARY AT THIS POINT IN TIME, AND ASSUMING THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING ON CENTER STREET GOES FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE USED AS A STAGING AREA DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING SO IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAPPEN AS A LATER PHASE EITHER WAY. MOST LIKELY.
>> QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORRISON PLEASE.
>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I'M MAYBE WRONG WITH THE REGULAR COURSE HAVE ALSO HAD A SETBACK FROM CENTER STREET.
>> IT WAS ALWAYS TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> THE THIRD STREET AND HAD A SETBACK. DIDN'T IT?
>> THERE'S AN EASEMENT ALLEY THAT GOES ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THIRD STREET THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING, TO THE COURTYARD BEHIND IT, AND ALSO PROVIDES A SECONDARY MEANS OF EGRESS FROM THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT AND AROUND TO ANOTHER RIGHT-OF-WAY.
>> THERE'S NO ACCESS, NO ALLEYWAY ACCESS FROM CENTER.
ALL THE ACCESS TO THE CORNER WOULD BE PROVIDED VIA THIRD.
>> BENJAMIN I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE I'M WRONG, BUT CORRECT ME IF I AM.
I THOUGHT I SAW IN SOME OF THE BACKUP MATERIALS FOR THE PROPOSED WINDOWS SYSTEM FOR YOUR INDOOR OUTDOOR DINING TO OPEN UP LIKE A BIG AWNING?
>> THEY'RE LIKE A HYDRAULIC BIFOLD WINDOWS SYSTEM THAT OPENS UP VERTICALLY SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE IN AN OPEN POSITION, THEY FORM LIKE AN AWNING OVER THE OPENING AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE IN A FIXED POSITION, THEY HAD THE APPEARANCE OF LIKE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS OR A STOREFRONT WINDOW SYSTEM.
SIMILAR CONCEPT TO SOME OF THE GARAGE DOORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE ON CENTER STREET RECENTLY, BUT WITH THE ADVANTAGE OF NOT HAVING ALL THE GARAGE DOOR TRACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE VISIBLE ON THE INSIDE.
>> DOES THAT CELL HAS THE IMAGE BEHIND YOU? DOES THE FACT THAT IT'S GOT TO PROJECT A STREET, DOES THAT OR THE SIDEWALK, DOES THAT HAVE ANY ISSUE FOR ZONING OR ANYTHING?
>> I JUST CONSIDER IT THE SAME AS IT WOULD AN AWNING, BUT MAYBE LESS PERMANENT THAN AN AWNING.
I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP MY HEAD BUT I WANT TO SAY IT'S ALMOST 10 FEET UP IN THE AIR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT A SAFETY HAZARD THING FOR PEOPLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT BECAUSE YOU ALSO SHOW THE FABRIC AWNING SO WHEN THAT DOOR IS OPEN WOULD BE UNDER THE FABRIC AWNING?
>> THEY WOULD PROJECT AS MUCH AS THE FABRIC AWNING PROBABLY?
>> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND BUILDING.
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IT IS POSSIBLE THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'VE SEEN CONCEPTUALLY THE TWO BUILDINGS TOGETHER, THEY WILL BE ON TWO SEPARATE PARCELS I BELIEVE.THEY COULD COME IN AS TWO SEPARATE CASES IF THAT'S EASIER.
>> I THINK WELL, WHEN WE COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL, I THINK THAT WOULD ALMOST BE WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE INVESTING ANY MORE DESIGN TIME AND THE BUILDING ON THIRD STREET ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE, SO YES.
I'M CLOSING THAT GAP IN THE TEETH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MORRISON. MERLIN
>> COULD YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THERE WILL BE SPACE BETWEEN THE TORAH BUILDING?
>> IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COMPOSITE ELEVATION FOR THE STREETSCAPE, THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THIS FOR THIS PROJECT, WE'RE BUILDING RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT THERE'S JUST A GAP BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY LINE AND THE ACTUAL BUILDING WHERE THE COFFEE SHOP IS AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT DIMENSION IS.
WHAT MAYBE TWO-AND-A-HALF, THREE FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT SO.
JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THE LOCK CONFIGURATION, IT'S CREATING A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE TWO.
>> IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY, SO WE DON'T CONTROL IT.
>> I THINK IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE WIDTH OF THAT IS?
>> IT'S NOT ANY MORE THAN THREE FEET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S PRETTY NARROW.
>> WHILE IT WAS BEING USED AS POCKET ART BY THE CITY, WE HAVE SOME MONUMENTS AND SHOES, ETC IN THERE HAS ACIDIC TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THOSE ITEMS.
>> I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON ANY OF THAT STUFF JOHN.
>> JOHN ONCE YOU COME ON UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> JOHN SARAH, 960185 GATEWAY BOULEVARD [INAUDIBLE] REPRESENT THE OWNERSHIP CENTER AND THIRD LLC, AND THE LEASE ADDRESSES THAT.
WHAT'S TO BE DONE WITH MATERIALS THAT ARE ANYTHING THAT'S LEFTOVER.
THE CITY HAS RIGHT TO REMOVE IT ALL.
IF THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T, THEN WE CAN REMOVE IT.
>> BUT LET ME JUST INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT AND JUST SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEND, WE WANT TO SEND OUR THANKS TO YOU, THE OWNERS PAST SHAPE FAMILY FOR ALLOWING THE CITY USES AS A POCKET PARK FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS TO ITSELF.
THAT'S PRETTY COOL. THAT'S A GREAT USE OF SPACE WHEN WE LOST THE BUILDING BACK IN '75 WASN'T.
BUT WE DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT ARCHITECTURE AND ART HISTORIANS LIKE MYSELF TEND TO THINK ABOUT THE GAP IN THE FACADE THERE.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT FILLED IN IF THAT WAS A GREAT USE IN THE INTERIM TIME.
>> FOR YOUR QUESTIONS FOR MRS SUZZIE.
>> JOHN WE HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] CHRISTMAS TREE THIS YEAR.
>> I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THIS WOULD THIS PROJECT WOULD COMMENCE ANY SOONER THAN AFTER SHRUNK VESPER.
WE JUST RENEWED THE LEASE ALL THE WAY THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE AN OPTION TO TERMINATE IT.
WE HAVEN'T SERVE THAT NOTICE YET AND WE WON'T FOR SIX MONTHS OR LONGER OR THERE ARE RESERVATIONS FOR THE USE OF THE PARK IS EARLY AS I KNOW.
THERE'S ONE FOR DECEMBER 2 AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY STILL ONLINE.
>> ANYBODY THAT'S WORKED WITH BENJAMIN KNOWS IT'S GOING TO TAKE THAT LONG TO GET THE DRAWINGS.
[LAUGHTER] YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION BECAUSE I SEARCHED THE DRAWINGS JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE SECOND FLOOR ELEMENTS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
QUITE CLEARLY HAVE SHOWN WITH THAT PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE ANY OF THE AIR QUOTES, SECOND FLOOR ELEMENTS FROM THE STREET.
>> WHETHER YOU COULD SEE IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY, IT'S INTENTIONAL THAT WE'RE KEEPING ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND THE PARAPET WALL.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU KEEP THAT ONE STORY SCALE ON THE STREET AND YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE ANY LOOSE, TALLER ELEMENTS, BUT MINE.
I ALSO WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT A BIT LIKE ABOUT THE DESIGN IS THOSE INDOOR, OUTDOOR DINING AREAS ON THE FRONT, BECAUSE IT ALMOST GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE POCKET PARK DOES WHERE YOU LET PEOPLE EAT AND ENJOY THEMSELVES AND STILL BE CONNECTED TO THE PEDESTRIANS GOING BY AND SAY HI TO YOUR FRIENDS AND THAT STUFF AS YOU'RE WALKING BY.
THAT'S A FEATURE I LIKE BECAUSE IT HEARKENS TO THE POCKET PART IN A WAY SLIGHTLY SO I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT.
>> IT IS BECOMING A FEATURE OF MAYFIELD.
LOOK AT OUR ACID AND OUR DOWNWARDS.
>> IT PUSHES THE FACADE BACK SO YOU DON'T
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FEEL LIKE THERE'S A BUILDING RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SIDEWALK.>> BUT THAT WAS JUST A COMMENT THAT THOSE WINDOWS IS BAFFLED WINDOWS ARE ABOUT SHOULD NOT BE TOO HAPPY IT OFF THE GROUND.
IF YOU'RE SITTING AT A TABLE, IT'LL BE YOU'RE RIGHT EYE LEVEL, NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE PUBLIC, I THINK IT'S A VERY NICE FEATURE.
THE REASON WHY I SAID THAT IS THE PICTURE THAT WAS JUST I'VE HAD THEM GOING ALL THE WAY.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2022-0076 IS 209 TO 11 CENTER STREET.
THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
>> WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING, GO INTO MORE DISCUSSION.
BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR LEAN YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS BETTER THAN ANYBODY.
I KNOW THERE'S A MONUMENT IN THERE THAT [INAUDIBLE] DID THE BRIC.
WHAT ELSE IS IN THERE OF IMPORTANT?
>> WELL, THERE ARE BENCHES THAT ARE THERE IN THEIR FLOWER POTS, ETC.
IT'S MOSTLY THAT MONUMENT BECAUSE IT WAS NAMED REVO PARK AND THE PLAQUE WENT THERE.
IF THE CITY COULD FIND ANY PLACE TO STILL CAPTURE THAT.
>> DO YOU THINK FOR THE BOARD WE SHOULD WE HAVE A LETTER TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT IDENTIFIES WHAT'S IN THERE AND THEN IT WOULD BE A NICE IDEA FOR THEM TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
>> OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHAT DO YOU THINK?.
>> I THINK TOSSING IT AND JUST FORGETTING THAT HAS EVER EXISTED, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> I THINK WE NOW HAVE A NAME FOR THE RESTAURANT.
>> CAN YOU HELP DRAFT THIS LETTER BECAUSE I'M NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONTENT.
MAYBE YOU TAMMY CAN WORK ON THAT?
JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS PAY MUCH MORE ATTENTION, WHAT'S THE NETWORK THAT I AM?
>> ALRIGHT THEN. ANYTHING ELSE FOR MEMBERS? THEN MOTIONING?
>> MY ONLY COMMENT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR BENJAMIN WAS GOING TO BE, WHY DID WE GO FROM THE VOLTAGE AROUND THEM? I THINK.
I MEAN, I FELT THAT WAS GOING THROUGH [INAUDIBLE] ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO YOUR PROGRAMMING THAT YOU'RE BUILDING RESPONSE TO IT. THAT'S ONE COMMENT.
GENERALLY FOR OUR DISCUSSION I WISH YOU COULD HAVE STATUS OF BARAK WAS ANOTHER FEATURE BUT IF YOU WERE TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS VERY APPROPRIATE, SCALE APPROPRIATE, FITS THE FACADES.
>> YEAH, AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT RELATIVE MERITS OF REFLECTING A PREVIOUS DESIGN STYLE VERSUS CALLING OUT A DIFFERENT ONE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A 50,000 FOOT CONVERSATION AND ONLY BENJAMIN AND I CARE ABOUT.
OTHER THAN THAT IT'S WHAT WORKS WITHIN THAT BLOCK.
>> ANYTHING ELSE IF NOT SO I CAN MAKE A MOTION? JIM
>> DO YOU GUYS FEEL THAT WE SHOULD AS PART OF THE MOTION YOU SHOULD MENTION THE LETTER?
>> NO. THAT'S UP TO ME TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS TO TAMMY AND SELL HEALTH.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE HTC CASE NUMBER 2022-0076 WITHOUT CONDITIONS.
I MOVE THAT HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HTC CASE 2022-0076 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME?
>> WILL PRESENT A SECOND POINTER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE [INAUDIBLE], PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS, HTC CASE 2023-0097.
[5.1 HDC 2023-0097 - JAMES & KATHERINE GALLI, OWNERS. 501 CEDAR STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to remove/replace front porch flooring, in-kind; demolish infill enclosure of wrap around porch to bring porch back to original configuration; and demolish latter addition at northeast corner of property. (Quasi-Judicial)]
WOW, WE'VE DONE 97 CASES.THIS IS EMOTIONALLY DEMO AT THIS POINT. MR. CAMELLO.
>> THIS IS HTC 2023-0097, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 501 CEDAR STREET, ZONED R2.
IT IS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE CONSTRUCTED PRE 1909.
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THE REQUESTED ACTION IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO REMOVE AND REPLACE THE FRONT PORCH FLOORING IN KIND TO DEMOLISH AND FILL ENCLOSURE OF A WRAPAROUND PORCH TO BRING IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION AND TO DEMOLISH A LATER EDITION AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.THIS IS THE AREA OF THAT PROPERTY HERE WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE MUCH OF BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME TREES PREVIOUSLY THAT COVERED THE ENTIRE LAWN.
THE SCOPE OF WORK REALLY AS YOU SAID IS JUST DEMOLITION AT THIS POINT.
THE PROPERTY WILL UNDERGO A FULL REHAB BUT AS PART OF THEIR PLANNING FOR THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DEMO THAT LATER EDITION WHICH IS OF COURSE A PORCH THAT WAS INFILLED AND QUALITY-WISE IS NEVER AT THE SAME QUALITY AS THE HOUSE.
ALSO THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY FEATURED A WRAPAROUND PORCH.
FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, A WRAPAROUND PORCH HAS BEEN CLOSED IN AND USED AS A CLOSET ON THE SIDE OF THE PORCH SINCE AT LEAST 1985.
OPENING IT BACK UP WILL REVEAL ITS ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT AGAIN AND AGAIN, DEMOLISHING THAT ADDITION AT THE REAR CORNER TO MAKE WAY FOR A NEW EDITION.
STAFF DOES FINDING THAT THE POST DEMOLITION IS IN KEEPING WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, THE FRONT OF DANA BEACH DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE REMOVAL OF THE LATER NON-HISTORIC FEATURES AS I SAID OUR PHASE 1, A LARGER REHABILITATION PROJECT THAT WILL REHABILITATE THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND ADD A SENSITIVE NEW EDITION.
THE SCOPE OF THE REHABILITATION PROJECT WILL BE REVIEWED UNDER A SEPARATE COA AT A LATER TIME.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF HD C2023-0097. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE ONE, SO JUST FOR MY CLARITY, I WASN'T VERY CLEAR ON THE PACKAGE.
ON THE FRONT PORCH WE'RE ONLY DOING THE FLOOR, RIGHT?
>> ON THE FRONT PORCH REPLACING THE FLOORING OF THE PORCH IS NOT ORIGINAL BUT HERE'S SOME PHOTOS.
>> CAN YOU BRING UP THE SLIDE FROM CEDAR STREET SIDE PLEASE?
>> YEAH. THE RAILINGS ARE OF COURSE NOT ORIGINAL.
THE FLOORINGS ARE NOT ORIGINAL BUT THE COLUMNS ARE THE ORIGINAL CHAMFER COLUMNS, SO THOSE WILL STAY.
THE LATTICE INFILE IS NOT SO THAT EVENTUALLY IT WILL GO AWAY.
THIS SECTION HERE TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT DOOR, THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THE HOUSE SHOWING ON OUR SANBORN MAPS, THE PORCH ACTUALLY WRAPS AROUND THIS SECTION AND THIS HAS BEEN FILLED IN AS I SAID SINCE AT LEAST IN THE PHOTOS FROM 1985 WE'VE SEEN IT FILLED IN, REMOVING THAT WHICH IS USED AS A STORAGE ROOM NOW WILL OPEN THE DOOR THAT OPENS THE FRONT PORCH.
>> THAT MAKES IT A LOT MORE CLEAR.
>> I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT HAS AN ADDITION.
YES, THE ANGLE OF IT AND ITS NOVELTY SIDE COMPARED TO THE LEFT, THAT'S IN MUCH OF THE OTHER.
>> FROM THE INTERIOR AND ALSO VERY MUCH SO LEADS US FROM THE ORIGINAL FRONT PORCH.
YEAH. THE NORTHEAST CORNER IS ANOTHER EDITION, SIMILAR QUALITY.
>> YOU CAN SEE HERE THE TOP ROOF LINE IS THE ROOF LINE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
THIS SECTION OUT HERE IS WHAT WAS A PORCH THAT WAS THEN INFIELD AND TURNED INTO A ADDITION IN THE '60S.
WE HAVE SOME INTERIOR PHOTOS TOO BUT IT IS UP HERE BUT IT'S NOT A GREAT QUALITY EDITION.
THEY ARE PLANNING ON REMOVING THAT.
ANY NEW EDITION WORK IS GOING TO HAPPEN BACK IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE BACK THERE.
>> DID I UNDERSTAND CELL THAT THESE FOLKS WANTED TO OPEN THIS UP TO C IN PART SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH?
>> CORRECT. AS PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE REHAB, THEY REALLY WANT TO GET IN AND SEE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE DEALING WITH AS FAR AS TAKING OFF THESE ADDITIONS, HOW THAT WILL AFFECT THE NEW DESIGN ADDITIONS.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMELLO?
>> IF THEY GET IN THERE AND DISCOVER ALL SORTS OF THINGS, IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE WOULD BE DEEMED DEMOLISHABLE?
>> I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EASILY REMOVED FROM THE MAIN BODY OF THE HOUSE.
>> WELL, GIVE MR. SULCUS GOOD LUCK ABOUT TAMMY.
MY INSTINCTS ARE THE REST OF THIS PLACE IS TRADITIONAL VERNACULAR COTTAGE, SIMILAR TO FIVE OR SIX OTHERS HAS BEEN RENOVATED WITH INSIDE OF THIS ONE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FAIR WITH SOUND.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THEY CAME BACK TO TAKE OFF THAT SHADOW ON THE BACK AND GO THIS WAY.
>>ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR THE ADDITION?
>> THAT ADDITION IS ACTUALLY A VERY EARLY EDITION AND GOT ME YEAH [OVERLAPPING].
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>> YEAH. IN THE 1920S IT WAS ADDED AS A KITCHEN. YES.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAMELLO I'LL ASK ROBINSON TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HIMSELF FOR THE RECORD AND SEE IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ROBIN, I TALKED TO HER TODAY ABOUT HOW THE PROPERTY WILL BE SECURED ONCE THESE LATER ADDITIONS COME OFF NAMED.
>> ROBCELL COUNT SQUEEZE 710 BEAT STREET, BUILT PLANTS CONSTRUCTION.
>> ROCKS. TELL ME, WHEN WE TEAR OFF THESE LATER ADDITIONS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THE DIRT IS NOT FURTHER DAMAGE.
DOES IT FALL DOWN? HOW DO YOU PRESERVE THAT?
>> WELL, THE FIRST THING THAT MY SON DYLAN AND I WILL DO IS LOVINGLY REMOVE THE CHAMFER PORCH POSTS SUPPORT THE ROOF SO THAT WHEN THE DEMO GUYS COME IN THEY AT THE PORCH FOR.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE INTERIOR DEMO, NOTHING STRUCTURAL, JUST THE WALL COVERING.
MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT WE'VE TAKEN 310 SOUTH SIXTH STREET AND 232 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET BACK TO THE STUDS SO THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE REDONE, ANY DAMAGE CAN BE REPLACED, NOT TORN DOWN, AND THEN WALLS CAN BE INSULATED.
ALL THE OBVIOUSLY THE ELECTRIC GOES, THE PLUMBING GOES, EVERYTHING GOES.
THE FRONT DOOR WILL STAY IN PLACE, WE'LL EXPOSE WHEN THAT CLOSET COMES OFF ON THE FRONT PORCH.
THERE'S A DOORWAY THAT GOES INTO A ROOM.
THERE'S NO REAL, IT'S THE COLLECTION OF ROOMS RIGHT NOW. THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT YOUR FINGER ON WHAT IT IS.
BUT WE'LL PUT OSB OVER THAT ONE.
THEN IN THE BACK, I MEAN, I USE AND I THINK SAL SAID THAT THE PORCHES THE PORCH, IT HAS NO EFFECT.
THERE'S TWO DOORWAYS THAT GO INTO ANOTHER ROOM AND THEN MIKE, THAT THE SHED TYPE DORMITORY ADDITION ON THE BACK WHICH IS THE KITCHEN, THAT GOES INTO A LITTLE HALLWAY THAT GOES INTO THE KITCHEN.
THEN WE'LL DEMO THE INTERIOR AND THEN MIKE STALLFOR WHO WILL BE THE ARCHITECT, HE WILL HAVE THAT WHOLE INTERIOR KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE.
THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF BEAD BOARD INSIDE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE ANCIENT BEAD BOARD.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DOWN AND SALVAGE THAT, WE'LL PROBABLY LEAVE MOST OF IT ON THE CEILING.
THE SIDEWALLS HAS TO GO JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T INSULATE THE SIDEWALLS LIKE THAT AND YOU CAN'T RUN NEW NEW ELECTRIC AND SUCH.
>> ARE YOU STRIPPING THE EXTERIOR SIDING?
>> OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO SCAN IT FROM THE INSIDE.
>> LIKE I SAID, IT SAME WAY WITH 310 SOUTH SIX AND 232 SOUTH STREET.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHEN YOU SAID THERE'S NO STRUCTURAL DEMOLITION OTHER THAN THE BACK PORCH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. BUT INTERIOR IT'S JUST WALL AND CEILING FINISHES.
>> DO YOU THINK HE COULD SALVAGE SOME OF THAT NOVELTY SIDE? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN PRETTY DECENT SHAPE.
>> I DON'T KNOW TAMMY [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH, I KNOW THAT. THE MARGINAL.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT'S REALLY WORTH IT BECAUSE OF THE TIME PERIOD THAT WAS PUT ON.
I CAN GO TO RPM AND GET THE SAME. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SIKORSKI.
>> I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A BEEF WITH SPECIALISTS AT THIS POINT SIR.
>> IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE WHETHER.
>> WE HAVE A WINDOW SPECIALISTS.
>> YEAH, WINDOWS SPECIALISTS AND TO BEAT BOARDS QUESTIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE [NOISE] PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION IF IT'S AN INTERESTS, THE BOARD.
MRS. GALLEY, THE APPLICANT, HER MAIDEN NAME IS BURBANK.
SHE IS AN ALUMNA FOR INDIA BEACH HIGH SCHOOL, ACTUALLY WERE CLASSMATES.
>> WHO HAS RELOCATED OUT OF THE AREA AND IS RE-INVESTING BACK HIGH.
>> WELL, THIS ISN'T A BLOCK THIS IS A HOUSE.
IT'S GOING TO NEED A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN WATCHING IT DETERIORATES FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW.
THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO HTC CASE 2023-097,501C3 OR STREET, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME.
JOHN ROBERTS DOES NOT WORK ON CEDAR STREET THAT HE PROBABLY KNOWS THIS OUT PRETTY WELL.
>> [NOISE] ALL RIGHT HEAD HOUSE.
>>THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] SEE NO ONE RISE WITH THE SIGN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
MOVING TO BOARD DISCUSSION BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLUGGING?
>> I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY IT SO EXCITED TO SEE A HOUSE THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE MINE DID.
[LAUGHTER] FROM WORKING WITH ROB AND USING HIM, HE'S GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB ON THIS. I KNOW.
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>> YEAH. IF YOU PUT BY 230 TO SELL SEVENTH STREET RECENTLY WITH THE WINDOWS AND IT'S REALLY SHAPING UP NICE.
>> ANY OTHER BOARD COMMENTS BEFORE WE.
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY THANKFUL THAT THEY ARE THE NEW OWNERS BECAUSE THERE WAS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES, AND KNOCKING THEM DOWN AND WHAT IF SOMETHING BIG, [BACKGROUND] AND INAPPROPRIATE UPSET.
THIS IS A HUGE WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THEN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
>> I HOPE YOU'LL PASS THAT ON ROB TO YOUR CLIENT.
>> BECAUSE MOST APPRECIATED. IN THAT CASE, SO SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> [BACKGROUND] I MOVE TO APPROVE THE HTC [OVERLAPPING].
>> 97, [OVERLAPPING]. 2023 DASHES.
>> 2023 IS YOUR THROUGH 97 [NOISE] WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HTC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT, AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THAT HTC CASE 2023, 0 THROUGH 9, AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARREN.
>> JUST A FINAL APPROVAL FOR THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] ALL RIGHT. CAN I GET A SECOND?
>> MOVED EXCLUDES THE SECOND KOSACK ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE APPROVING THIS LIMITED DEMOLITION OF LATER ADDITIONS. THAT'S IT.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONCE THEY CLEAN UP OR THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE, MIKE STAFFO WILL COME BACK WITH CO SEXUAL OR FINAL PACKAGE.
>> CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING] OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT. HEARING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MISS.
>> YES. THANK YOU A LOT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THANK YOU. EXCELLENT STYLE [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT FINAL WORD THAT [INAUDIBLE]
>> IN THAT CASE, [NOISE] WE WILL MOVE INTO THE BUSINESS,
[6.1 Old Town - Marine Street Improvements Discussion]
AND OUR FIRST ITEM IS MARINE STREET IMPROVEMENTS DISCUSSION.I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE ON THIS.
WE CAN ONLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOR THE FUTURE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MR. JEREMIAH [INAUDIBLE] HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
CELL THAT IS WHAT YOU INTEND TO TEST OUT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] MIKE LISTEN. CITY OF BERNARDINO BEACH, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR.
YEAH, THANK YOU FOR REVIEWING THIS ITEM.
WE WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE HTC ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THIS AREA OF THE BLUFF.
SO AS I'VE MENTIONED, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REQUESTS TO ONE OR RESTORE ELEMENTS OF THE OLD TOWN GRID.
OF COURSE, WITH MARINE STREET BEING THAT ELEMENT.
THAT'S ONE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED.
DIFFERING REQUEST ON WHAT TO BE DONE.
SOME DOESN'T WANT IT, SOME DON'T WANT ANYTHING DONE, SOMEWHAT LEFT AS IS.
AND TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW STAFF SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
THOUGHT BEST OF BRAIN TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION SO WE CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON HOW BEST TO IMPROVE OR NOT THIS AREA.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATION.
WE HAVE SOME VISUAL GRAPHICS FOR YOU TO LOOK AT, AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> GO AHEAD AND WALK US THROUGH THAT. [LAUGHTER] GO AHEAD AND WALK US.
>> OKAY. YEAH. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT'S EXISTS NOW IS DO YOU HAVE THAT SOUTH OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW? MAYBE WOULDN'T BE MUCH TO SHOW.
IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THAT, BUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I CAN BRING UP THE STREET VIEW.
>> WELL, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S THERE NOW AND WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO EXTEND MARINE STREET [NOISE] FURTHER TO THE NORTH TO RESTORE THAT OLD TOWN GRID AND PROVIDE A PATH TO THE SOUTH FURTHER PAST THE WELLS WILLIS, WHICH WE PULLED UP HERE.
>> OKAY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE COCKINESS SHELF ROAD, IF YOU WILL, THAT'S THERE.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT MUCH TO RESTORE THAT GRID, CONTINUE THAT TO THE NORTH.
THERE'S TWO HOUSES THERE HAS BEEN RENOVATED, THAT'S OFTEN USED AS A WALKING TRAIL NOW.
THERE WAS INTEREST IN PROVIDING A COCKINESS SHELL PATH, IF YOU WILL,
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TO COMPLEMENT THAT GRID AND TO PROVIDE SOME WALKABILITY THERE FOR ALONG WITH THE BLUFF, THE MATERIAL WOULD BE WHAT IS USED THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE OLD TOWN OF COCKINESS SHELL MIX.THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF COULD PUT IN, COULD PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN.
BUT OF COURSE, WE WANT FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S INTERESTS IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
THERE HAS BEEN OTHER DISCUSSIONS TO IN SOUTH, PLEASE CHIME IN AND [OVERLAPPING] CORRECT ME HERE OF UPGRADING A WALKING PATH TO THE SOUTH ADJACENT TO THE STATE PLAZA TRACK THERE, RIGHT THERE WHERE THE SIGNS ARE AT.
NOW, ALSO, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR WITH SOME OF THE NEW SIGN THAT WAS PUT IN AND DEBENTURES THERE.
IT'S A DRAWING PEOPLE TO THAT POINT OF BLOCKING ACCESS TO THE NORTH.
BRINGING THOSE ELEMENTS FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, EXACTLY WHERE THE MOUSE, THE CURSOR IS.
THERE NOW WOULD ELIMINATE OR DISCOURAGED TRAFFIC, PREVENTING ACCESS TO LOT 11 RIGHT THERE.
>> BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TWO PARKING SPACES THERE AND I SAW IT THIS MORNING.
FOLKS LITERALLY PULL UP AND BLOCK MARINE STREET TO READ THE HISTORICAL MARKER, WHICH WASN'T A BIG DEAL UNTIL WE STARTED RENOVATING HOUSES ON SAN FERNANDO AND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S MERIT IN JUST MOVING THE SIGN AND THE BATCH SOUTH, THAT WOULD SEEM TO ELIMINATE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE ROAD RIGHT THERE.
AND YOU MIGHT INSTALL UP, DON'T STOP HERE, SIGN OR SOMETHING VERY SUBTLE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS DON'T DO THAT.
DO WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT WE'D BE MOVING IT INTO A STATE PARK PROPERTY OR WOULD WE STILL HAVE RIGHT AWAY ACCESS THERE?
>> THIS IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE RIGHT HERE.
>> OKAY. NOT THAT WE COULDN'T GET TO SAFETY GO LONG OR IT'S JUST THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE IT INTO THE PLAZA, WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN RIGHT AWAY.
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STATE PARTNERS ARE AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT BE DOING BECAUSE WE ARE [INAUDIBLE]
>> CONSIDERING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TAKING MARINE SCREENING FOR THEM ALL THE WAY TO SAN FERNANDO NINA GO STRAIGHT OR IS IT YOU'RE JUST MAKING A DEAD END? A LONGER DEAD END STREET.
>> SO LET'S LOOK DOWN [OVERLAPPING].
>>THIS IS ONE CONCEPT HERE AND THAT HOOPLA BACKUP WAS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING WIDTH OF RINGS STREET TO 16 FEET AND MOVE IT A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE NORTH TO THAT FIRST HOUSE HAS BEEN RENOVATED.
THEN PROVIDE A WALKING TRAIL ON THROUGH PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY TO THAT POINT.
>> SO THAT WALKING THROUGH TOWARDS DEAD ENDS.
WHAT IS IT DEAD IN THAT CONCEPT BOARD IS, WHAT DOES IT DEAD END INTO?
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING? IS IT GOING ON ALL THE WAY TO SAN FERNANDO MAIN STREET OR NOT? [OVERLAPPING].
>> SAN FERNANDO DOESN'T GO THAT FAR.
>> IT'S NOT PAVED. THERE IS A VERY STEEP GRADE CHANGE HERE.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PAVE IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THERE.
THERE ARE [INAUDIBLE] UP HERE.
IF MARINE STREET IS WIDENED AND IMPROVED WELL, TO OLD TOWN STANDARDS IMPROVED, IT WOULD ALMOST BECKON PEOPLE TO PARK ON THAT AND JUST STACK UP PARKING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIND SPOTS ANYWHERE ELSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE HOMEOWNERS WOULD FEEL ABOUT THAT.
FEELS PROPERTY YOU ACCESS FROM THE OTHER SIDE, RIGHT?
>> YEAH. BUT THEY'RE USING IT.
THEY'RE USING MARINE STREET FOR ACCESS TO THAT, RIGHT? [OVERLAPPING].
>> NOW. YEAH FOR THE CONSTRUCTION SITE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THEY DON'T CONTINUE TO USE.
>> THEN DON WE WANT A BUNCH OF CARS PARKED UP IN THERE.
>> AND EVENTUALLY THERE WILL PROBABLY BE ANOTHER HOUSE ON THIS LOT HERE, RIGHT?
>> AND IT'S MORE MAINTENANCE FOR THE CITY TOO.
>> I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEM, THE GRAIL FIXING IT.
I WALKED IT TODAY, IT'S NOT SAFE TO BE WALKING THROUGH THERE.
>> YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY IF YOU WOULD SCROLL BELOW AT THE SOUTH TO NORTH A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S WHY THE TRAIL WOULD HAVE TO TERMINATE THERE BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO COME BACK UP TO THE EAST, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE EROSION THIS, YEAH.
>> SO WE'LL GIVEN A TRAIL TO DO A DANGEROUS SITUATION.
>> WHICH END AT NIGHT. [NOISE] [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] AT NIGHT? OH, [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S A ROWDY KID OR WHENEVER THAT LAST LITTLE DRINKING SPOT.
>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, MIDDLETOWN LESS IS MORE.
[NOISE] [BACKGROUND] YEAH. I'M NOT FEELING IT.
IF YOU NEED TO GO TO SHELL MARINE STRINGS SO THAT THOSE FOLKS HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, YOU SHOULD DO THAT.
SETH AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MAPS TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT [INAUDIBLE] ACTUALLY EVER WENT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO SAN FERNANDO.
IT'S A QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT IT ACTUALLY DOES.
IT WAS LAID OUT THAT WAY IN THE 1811 MAP, BUT I CAN'T FIND ANY FUTURE MAPS IT ACTUALLY SHOWED WITH GOING THROUGH.
AS THE BANK IS YOUR ROAD, [OVERLAPPING].
>>YOU GET IT? IT'S LIKE 99% OF THE GRID OLD TOWNS, EXACTLY WHERE IT SHOULD BE AND WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT.
BUT PUTTING IN A PATH TO SOMEPLACE THAT MIGHT BE DANGEROUS.
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I'M NOT THERE. I APOLOGIZE IF I'VE STEPPED ON WORK THAT YOU'VE TRIED TO DO HERE.>> WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I RESPECT TO WORK BUT IN THIS CASE,
>> WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF WORK. [LAUGHTER] WE DO NOT NEED [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE JUST DID ON OTHER STUFF.
THINK ABOUT THE LUXURY PAD THAT WE JUST DID, DIDN'T HAVE UNIVERSAL SUPPORT.
CITY STAFF AND USING CYCLISTS USE AT WALKER'S YOU'RE USING. I'M NOT THERE OBVIOUSLY.
>> WELL, THINK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] GULLIES AND WE'RE GOING TO CREATE HAZARDS AND MORE THINGS.
YOU'LL BE UP THERE CONSTANTLY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THESE RIVETS AND YOU GOT TO INDIVIDUALLY.
>> I THINK THERE IS, LET ME SEE IF THERE IS SUPPORT THOUGH, FOR MOVIE PUTS HAVING PEOPLE ARE PULLING UP TO READ THE SIGN AND BLOCKING MARINE STREET.
WHICH WASN'T A PROBLEM BEFORE MARINES YOU GOT REDEVELOPED.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE THE SIGNAGE SOUTH INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, GET IT SO THAT YOU HAVE TO PARK IN ONE OF THOSE TWO SPACES RIGHT THERE AND THEN WALK DOWN AND READ THE SIGN.
LET'S GET THOSE FOLKS OFF OF THE WHITE STREET, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
IS THAT FOLKS WE GOOD WITH THAT?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S ONE OTHER PIECE.
>> WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO FEEDBACK ON AT THIS END OF THE PLAZA? THERE'S NO LONGER A STREET SIGN THAT SAYS MARINE STREET.
SO WE'D LIKE TO PUT THE STREET SIGN BACK THAT SAYS MARINE STREET.
SO WE ARE HONORING THE GRID AND THE FACT THAT HE'S A MARINE STREET.
>> IT'S A HISTORICAL MARKER BOARD FOR ALL INTENTS PURPOSES.
>> AT THE INTERSECTION, [OVERLAPPING] THE OLD INTERSECTION.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DOWN THE [OVERLAPPING] OBJECTS RIGHT \SO.
>> I THINK I TURNED ONTO THE COW PATH AND THIS IS MARINE STREET.
>> THIS IS WHERE A MARINE STREET USED TO BE.
IT COULD BE A SIGN ACKNOWLEDGING IT BUT NOT LOOKING LIKE A SCREEN.
>> SO SOMEONE DOESN'T GET CONFUSED.
>> WE CAN EVEN DO AN INTERPRETIVE SIGN.
>> TODAY IF YOU SLIDE DOWN SO DOWN, IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT? WHERE IT'S SHOWING MARINE STREET GOING FURTHER NORTH, THEY'RE PASSED THE HOUSE THAT'S BEEN RENOVATED.
[BACKGROUND] WHERE'S THE DRIVEWAY TO THAT HOUSE NOW? IS THAT WHAT'S SHOWING?
>> IT'S A SAN FERNANDO ADDRESS.
>> IT IS IN SAN FERNANDO, IF THE ACCESS THE GARAGE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF SOMEBODY BUILT TO THE LOCK TO THE SOUTH THEIR CELL NUMBER 11, THEY WOULD ACCESS THAT OFF A WHITE [INAUDIBLE]
>> WHITE WOULD BE THE ORIENTED [OVERLAPPING] OR IS THAT A REGULAR OPINION?
>> THERE ARE EIGHT MILLIMETER AND THEY BOTH TWO FULL DAY ON HERE.
THEY COULD ACCESS FROM MARINE STREET THOUGH, IF THEY HAVE A GARAGE BACK HERE? IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD NEED TO ACCESS IT FOR MARINE STREET.
>> AND WOULD THEY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THAT DRIVEWAY THERE IF THEY WERE FACING MARINE STREET? IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, IF THE CITY DOESN'T [OVERLAPPING] LEAVE THE DRIVEWAY THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
>> IT WOULD STAY THE WAY IT IS UNLESS THEY REQUESTED THAT WE IMPROVE IT UP TO LOT 11.
>> WELL, THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THERE AT YOUR MOM FOR JUST WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND KEEP YOUR SHELL DRY.
ROLL THAT OUT WHEN YOU NEED TO BECAUSE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
>> AS I GET STARTED WITH CONSENSUS THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH MOVING THESE ELEMENTS TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I KNOW ALL THE EMAIL IF I'VE GOT TODAY IS POSITIVE.
I HOPE THIS IS THE WORD REBEL, HE HAS COME TO DIE.
>> CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING ABOUT MOVING THAT TIME SOUTH, SHOULD WE JUST HAVE JEREMIAH OR WHOEVER GET WITH THE STAFF, MAKE SURE ANYMORE THE STATE OR ANYTHING JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN A GOOD LOCATION, IT DOESN'T POP UP SOMEPLACE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> ALL RIGHT. IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COMMENT ANY FURTHER.
I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IS THAT YOU'VE SEEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THERE.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THIS A GOOD TIME TO DO.
PODCASTS. COME ON UP. THIS IS JUST AN OLD TOWN FOR THEM NOW, YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
>> WHERE YOU AGREE AND WE DISAGREE.
>> PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
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801 WHITE STREET, OLD TOWN.I'M THINKING THAT PERHAPS WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS HAVE A HISTORY LESSON.
IN 1974, I MOVED TO OLD TOWN AS A NEWLYWED, HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 48 YEARS.
FOUGHT TO GET THE TO GET THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER, NATIONAL REGISTER, SUCCEEDED.
FOUGHT TO GET IT IN THE HTC AND SUCCEEDED THINKING THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND IT, MY NEIGHBOR JOAN ALTMAN AND I WAS TO PRESERVE THE GRID.
BECAUSE THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING ELSE TO SAVE.
THERE WERE A FEW OLD BUILDINGS, BUT THEY WERE FALLEN DOWN FASTER THAN WE CAN COUNT.
IF YOU COULD JUST SAVE THE GRID.
FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED IS LU GOLDMAN WENT IN AND PUT AN ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE TRAILER PARK.
MESSED UP THE GRID RIGHT AWAY.
SECOND THING THAT HAPPENED WAS JIM HIGINBOTHAM, WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF PUBLIC WORKS, DECIDED TO PUT A LIFT STATION IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER RAWLS RIGHT THERE AT COMMON DOOR.
AFTER A BIT OF DISCUSSION THAT WAS REMOVED.
I HAD NO IDEA HE PUT IT IN SOMEWHERE ELSE DOWN THE ROAD.
IT HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE FOR ALL THESE YEARS TO MAINTAIN, AND WHAT WE REALLY THOUGHT WE WERE DOING WAS PUTTING A HOLDING PLACE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DID NOT NEED TO BE FORGOTTEN.
WE KNEW YOU WOULD COME IF WE JUST HUNG ON LONG ENOUGH AND WE DID.
IT DIDN'T WORK OUT QUITE THE WAY WE HAD HOPED.
THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES CAME ALONG.
WITH THAT, WE HAVE GOT CONGESTION, WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO PARK, WE'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION PUT IN THE ROADWAY IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DUMPSTERS, PORTAL LIDS.
THE THING IS WE HAVE LIVED THROUGH AND TRYING TO BE NICE.
I'M ABOUT TIRED BEING A NICE FOLKS [LAUGHTER].
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS SUMMERALSE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO SUMMERALSE, EITHER A, MAKE IT HISTORICALLY CORRECT.
REMOVE THE TREES, MAKE IT STRAIGHT, MAKE IT HISTORICAL.
IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN LEAVE IT DIRT.
JUST LEAVE IT ALONE OR FIX IT PROPERLY, PLEASE.
THAT'S WHAT WE CAME TO YOU FOR, WAS TO PRESERVE IT.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY PUT A LIFT STATION IN THE STREET, BUT THEY DID SO WORK AROUND IT.
NEXT, FROM 1980-'88, WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TRYING TO GET IN THE HTC AND PRESERVE EVERYTHING.
IF YOU WILL LOOK AT ALL THE MAPS OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL NOTICE IS THAT DOWNTOWN HAS GOT A 50-BLOCK AREA, WHICH IS THE HTC, WHICH IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT'S IT. THERE'S NO MORE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT DOESN'T SAY A WORD ABOUT OLD TOWN.
GUESS WHERE IT STARTED, IN OLD TOWN.
ALL THE STUFF THEY TALK ABOUT THE MUSEUM, ALL THE STUFF THEY PARADE ABOUT WHAT THE PIRATES, IT WAS ALL IN OLD TOWN.
NOT THAT WE WANT ALL THOSE PEOPLE COMING OUT THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T.
BUT IT SHOULD AT LEAST BE ACKNOWLEDGED.
THEY CAN COME RIDE THROUGH AND LOOK AROUND.
THERE'S NOT MUCH TO SEE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE SPANISH GRID, IF YOU WILL LEAVE IT ALONE, AND NOT THAT PEOPLE CUT IT UP.
>> I THINK YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE'VE BEEN REALLY CLEAR AS A BOARD, I THINK SARAH AGREE, PRESUME GRID HAS GONE OUR PRIMARY MISSION.
>> I HOPE SO. THEN HOW MANY OF YOU HERE LIVE ON THOSE BEAUTIFUL [INAUDIBLE] STREETS? [LAUGHTER] ANY OF YOU? EVERYBODY WHO THINKS THAT SUCH A WONDERFUL, HISTORICALLY CORRECT THING TO DO DOESN'T LIVE ON THEM, DOESN'T LIVE WITH THE DUST.
DON'T LIVE WITH ANY OF THAT MESS.
WE DO. WE SAID IN THE BEGINNING WE DIDN'T WANT THAT.
BUT NO. THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH, WE HAD TO HAPPEN.
THEY HAVE TO COME FIX THEM, PUT MORE MONEY INTO THEM.
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USED TO BE I HAD TO DO WAS COME GREAT THE DIRT ROADS AND THAT WAS GREAT.WHEN IT GOT TO BUMPY AND TOO MANY HOLES, ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS WE HAD ABOUT THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES WAS THE RAINWATER RUNOFF.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO AS ALL THOSE RUNOFF? OH, NO. IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM, IT'LL ALL BE GOOD.
IT'S ALL THIS POROUS MATERIAL.
WE'LL COME OUT DURING THE BELLY WASHING AND WATCH ALL THE WHITE COCAINE AMISS FLY DOWN TO THE RIVER OR GO ON SOME RAWLS, WATCH IT ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN INTO THE MARSH.
EVERYTHING WE PREDICTED HAS HAPPENED.
POLICE PRESERVES A NEIGHBORHOOD.
YES, WE NEED MARINE STREET PRESERVED.
A PORTION OF IT HAS BEEN CLOSED, UNFORTUNATELY.
BILL, HAVE ENOUGH, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT BEST FRIENDS, DOES NOT NEED A PARADE OF PEOPLE WALKING IN FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY.
WE DON'T NEED A HOUSE AND WE DON'T NEED A BOARDWALK OR ANY OF THAT.
JUST THE CITY WAS SIMPLY MOMENT WHEN THEY DO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, RESIDENT IN OLD TOWN GO DOWN TO THE RIVERFRONT.
WE GO DOWN THERE AND FISH, WE GO DOWN THERE AND LOOK AROUND, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOREVER.
WHAT WE DON'T NEED, ARE TOURISTS DOING IT.
WHEN THE TOURISTS DO IT, EVENTUALLY CSX WAS GOING TO PUT UP A FENCE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD THE LIABILITY, AND WE THE CITY CANNOT AFFORD THE LIABILITY OF SENDING THEM DOWN THERE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY, LET'S DO A BEAUTIFUL PATHWAY ONTO THE HARRISON PROPERTY, IF THEY GOT BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, LET'S MAKE IT ADA ACCESSIBLE, REAL RIGHT AWAY AND LET EVERYBODY RIDE AROUND AND LOOK AT IT.
IT'S WONDERFUL. THAT MAKES AS MUCH SENSE AS ESCORTING TOURIST TO PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT CSX OWNS IT.
WE WILL BE LIABLE FOR SHOWING THEM HOW TO GET TO IT, AND WHEN PEOPLE GET HURT DOWN THERE ON THE OSTRICH SHELLS, ANYBODY EVER BEEN CUT BY AN OSTRICH SHELL, IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT.
THAT'S WHEN WE AND CSX, WE'LL GET INVOLVED IN THE LAWSUIT.
WE JUST WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO WAKE UP EVERY MORNING WONDERING, WHAT IS IT TODAY? WHAT DO WE NEED TO WATCH FOR? BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME LOOK AT THE SUNSET, COME PLEASE COME LOOK.
THERE'S PLENTY RIGHT AWAY TO WALK, TO PARK ON.
IN MY MULTITUDE, MAKING COMMENTS, I WANT TO, BUT IT'S MUCH MORE FUN TO SIT AT THE SALT PILLS CAN HAVE DRINK AND WATCH THE SUNSET.
PERSONALLY, THERE ARE NO NETS OUT THERE. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
>> WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR HISTORY ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PLANS AT THIS POINT TO DO ANYTHING ON SOME RULINGS AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
JEREMIAH IS NOT SIGNED BUT DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO COMMENT.
MY SENSE IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY GLOM ON SOME RULINGS, RIGHT NOW [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME WORK DONE TO KEEP THE TRACK TRAFFIC OFF THE LOOP STATION THAT SHE HAD REFERENCED.
WE HAD BEEN OUT THERE, THE CEMETERY FENCE IS GOING TO BE GOING UP.
THEY'RE GOING BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE, BUT IT'S NOTHING THAT'S BEEN [OVERLAPPING] DISCUSSED, OR FEARED.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME.
YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING. PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR RECORD.
>> GRADE 11,19 [INAUDIBLE] STREET.
NOT EVERYBODY AGREES ON EVERYTHING.
BUT ONE THING WE ALL CAN AGREE ON IN THIS ROOM IS THE SAFETY OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO GOT BACK HOME FROM ISRAEL.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT.
BUT [INAUDIBLE] STREET, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY IS.
IT DOES GET PUSHED OUT BY THE GARBAGE TRUCK.
I FIXED IT FOR THE PAST FOUR-AND-A-HALF YEARS OF MY TRACTOR TWICE A WEEK.
BUT THAT STREET FROM NEW STREET INTO CEMETERY, THAT STREET GOT A LOT OF CHARACTER THAT NO OTHER STREET IN OLD TOWN HAS REALLY.
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IT'S GOT ITS OWN LITTLE CANOPY AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE THAT GO AWAY.PLUS ISL WHEN I BOUGHT THE PLACE, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ANYTHING WHAT THE ROAD AND HE SAID, NO.
BUT I UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS HAS TO BE DONE.
>> MR. GREEN, PERHAPS YOU CAN WORK PROPERLY WITH WITH JEREMIAH BLANCHARD.
>> HE'S BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE WHEN I'VE ASKED HIM TO WORK WITH YOU.
>> HE HAS. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
IF YOU FUNNEL PEOPLE, YOU CAN TRUST ME, NOBODY USES THAT RIVERFRONT AS MUCH AS ME.
I THINK MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
IF YOU FUNNEL PEOPLE DOWN TO THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF I WAS A CEO, CSX, I'LL BE PUTTING UP A FENCE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE ARE NOT THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.
WE'RE NOT SPENDING $4 MILLION A YEAR ADVERTISING YOUR PLAZA IN GERMANY AND FRANCE AND ALL THOSE OTHER PLACES. WE UNDERSTAND.
>> THANK YOU, TIM. ANYBODY ELSE?
>> ANDREA POWER, 1127 SUMMER [INAUDIBLE].
I LIVE ON THAT END OF SUMMER [INAUDIBLE].
THAT IS THE CHARMING, UNIQUE LITTLE STREET IN OLD TOWN, AND I LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT I DO SUPPORT RESTORING THE GRID.
I WOULDN'T SUPPORT CUTTING DOWN TREES THERE.
I HOPE THAT IT GETS PRETTY MUCH [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT PRIVATE. IT'S JUST CITY STREET.
>> NO, I MEAN, ARE THE TREES ON PRIVATE BLOCKS?
>> NO, THE TREES ARE IN THE CITY RIGHT-OF-WAY.
>> SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM CUTTING DOWN THE TREES.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. BUT ALL THE LOTS ARE BUILT ON THAT STREET NOW.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK [OVERLAPPING] THINGS ARE GOING TO STAY LIKE THEY ARE UNLESS WE WANT TO DO A REAL TRUE GRID REHAB.
ANYWAY, AS FAR AS MOVING THE SIGN THAT COMMEMORATES THE MIDWEST PASSAGE, I SUPPORT THAT 100%.
I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT RUINING THE VIEW, THAT CLEAR VIEW OF THE BLUFF.
WE HAVE SOME SIGNS THAT ARE LIKE LOW-PROFILE NOW, AND THEY'RE VERY INFORMATIVE AND EVERYONE LOVES TO READ THEM.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THOSE TURNED AT AN ANGLE, SO THEY DIDN'T RUIN THE VIEW OF THE WAY THEY DO.
THE SIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE MOVED, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT LOCATED INTO A PLACE WHERE IT DOES NOT DISRUPT THAT BENCH AND THAT SIGN TO, I DON'T KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE CEDAR TREE OR BACK ONTO THIS EDGE OF WHITE STREET WHERE WE ALREADY HAVE A BUNCH OF SIGNS.
OR NOT WHITE STREET, IT'S STRATA STREET.
ANYWHERE OFF TO THE SIDE WHERE WE DON'T SEE THE SIGN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VIEW.
JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
>> THAT'S POWERFUL. THANK YOU.
>> I ALSO JUST WANTED TO KNOW, I KNOW THAT THIS WHOLE MARINE STREET, I LOVE WALKING ALONG MARINE STREET OCCASIONALLY.
THE GRASS IS HOLDING THE STABILITY OF THE LAND THERE, AND SAN FERNANDO IS THE SAME THING, IT'S A SAFE GRASSY PATH.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO WALK THE PERIMETER OF THAT BLOCK 1 CAN DO SO ON A VERY NICE GRASSY PATH.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU WANTING TO KEEP IT AS IT IS, AND THE CITY DOES DO A GREAT JOB OF FOLLOWING IT AND KEEPING IT CLEAR.
BUT THE WHOLE IDEA I KNOW WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE FERNANDINA OLD TOWN DINGHY CLUB AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
I KNOW A DIRECTOR GOT UP AND MADE A PRESENTATION, AND DURING THAT PRESENTATION SAID, AND I DON'T LIKE SAYING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT PLEASANT.
BUT THEY STATED IT WAS NOT MY WISH TO PUT THIS OUT THERE ASKING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE MONEY THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A SURVEY THAT WAS PUT OUT BY ANOTHER CITIZEN OR ACTUALLY A DIRECTOR OF THE CLUB.
THEY SAID, I KNEW IT WOULD BE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS. WELL, HOW DO WE STOP OPENING UP THIS CAN OF WORMS THAT KEEP GETTING OPENED.
>> WELL, WE'RE NOT HERE TO PUSH BACK AGAINST PUBLIC SPEECH.
WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO LET HIM SPEAK, JUST AS WE LET YOU SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? AT THIS TIME, THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
JENNIFER, PLEASE COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR REFERENCE IN YOUR TIME.
WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO CENSOR ANYBODY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO CENSOR ANYBODY.
>> JENNIFER HARRIS, 800 SUMMER [INAUDIBLE] STREET. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
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I HAVE THREE CONCERNS REALLY.FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY SOMETHING VERY POSITIVE.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF FOLKS WHO SPOKE TONIGHT.
THEY DID A GOOD JOB AND I AGREE WITH THEM.
THAT'S NICE WE HAVE TO SAY THAT.
WHAT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON TONIGHT IS THIS.
I AM GOING TO PASS THIS PHOTOGRAPH, AND THEN THIS OTHER ONE IF WE COULD JUST FEED IT THROUGH.
[INAUDIBLE] I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.
IF THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN'T SEE IT, IT'S A PHOTOGRAPH OF WHERE THE ROOTS ARE AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING DOWN WITH BLACK NOW.
THAT RAISES MY SECOND CONCERN.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S A SAFETY CONCERN, AND IT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED TONIGHT, AND I REALLY HONESTLY THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO FALLS DOWN THAT BLUFF SOMETIME THIS YEAR.
SO NEXT YEAR, FIVE YEARS, AND THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE, BECAUSE WHERE THE PATH GOES, THAT'S PART OF MARINE STREET.
THAT NEEDS TO BE EITHER MADE INTO A SAFE WAY DOWN TO THE BEACH OR WE NEED TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.
THAT IS, AS WE KNOW, THE BLOCK IS ERODING AT A CONSIDERABLE RATE.
THE TIDES NOW HIGH TIDE COMES RIGHT UP CLOSE AND IT'S GOING TO BE UNDERMINING THE BLOCK.
BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT PHOTOGRAPH HOW DANGEROUS IT IS FOR ANYBODY TO CLIMB DOWN THERE.
THERE ARE SMALL BRICKS AND ROCKS, AND THINGS AT THE BOTTOM, IF SOMEBODY DID FALL, THEY WOULD HAVE A VERY UNPLEASANT TIME OF IT.
AS REGARD TO MARINE STREET, I WALKED THROUGH THERE THIS MORNING WITH THE DOG. I ENJOY IT.
IT'S A NICE WALK THE WAY IT IS, QUITE HONESTLY, AS LONG AS IT'S KEPT MOWN.
THERE HAS BEEN A TIME WHEN IT WAS JUST HAD BRAMBLES AND OTHER THINGS AROUND IT, AND IT WASN'T A VERY NICE PLACE TO WALK.
IT'S BEEN MOWN AND IT'S VERY PLEASANT.
MIKE, I WAS A BIT SURPRISED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT THIS SEEMED TO BE SUCH A DANGEROUS THING FOR YOU TO DO.
>> I WALKED THERE TODAY. I WAS NOT COMFORTABLE.
>> YOU WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WALKING ALONG [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE NORTH OF MARINE STREET AND UP THE HILL ON SAN FERNANDO.
>> WELL, MANY OF US IN OLD TOWN MUST BE FITTER THAN YOU ARE BECAUSE WE DO [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE, JENNIFER.
>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY? NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE?
>> ERIC OLIVER, 700, 702,706 SAN MORELOS, 115, 117, ESTRADA, AND 1619 NORTH 14TH STREET.
>> BUT THEY WANT TO ADDRESS WITH YOU. [LAUGHTER]
>> I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MOST AS LONG AS MS. PAT, AND WE LOVE IT OUT THERE.
WE'RE THERE FOR THAT REASON OF WHAT IT IS, AND I'LL BE SHORT AND SWEET SO I DON'T GET WRAPPED UP IN LABS.
WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE CHANGES OUT THERE.
TRAFFIC IS OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM.
THE THING WHERE YOU CLIMB DOWN THE HILL AND YOU MIGHT FALL DOWN AND GET HURT, I'M PRETTY CERTAIN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, YOU'RE TRESPASSING ON CSX PROPERTY OR TWO OR THREE STEPS LATER.
THERE'S NO BEACH. YOU'RE WALKING ON OYSTER SHELLS.
I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE DAY I POPPED OUT OF THE WOMB AND I'VE BEEN CUT BY OYSTER MANY TIMES.
I'M IN THE BOAT BUSINESS AND YOU GO TO THE HOSPITAL, YOU GET STITCHES, AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU GET AN INFECTION.
WE'RE SAYING, HEY, PEOPLE, WE WANT YOU TO COME DOWN HERE AND THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LIABILITY GOING ON. THAT'S THAT PART OF IT.
THE OTHER IS THE MORE WE REV UP OLD TOWN AND IMPROVE THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC.
CALL THE GUYS AT THE FORT AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS CUT THE GRASS EVERY WEEK.
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU COME IN THERE? THERE'S DONUTS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
WELL, I LIVE RIGHT THERE AND I HAVE TO HEAR IT, JUST LIKE MS. PAT.
IT'S LOUD, AND IN THE NEXT MORNING THEY'RE PICKING UP TRASH.
WE REALLY DON'T WANT A DUMPSTER SITTING OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, BUT IF I DON'T PICK UP THE TRASH, I GOT TO LOOK AT THAT.
ALL OF THIS STUFF IS JUST RIDICULOUS.
MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC, WE NEED SOME MORE COPS.
CALL THAT FBPD AND SAY, HOW MANY TIMES DOES MR. OLIVER CALLED YOU GUYS THIS MONTH? THE PARK INTO THE PAPER MILL PROPERTY, WE RUN PEOPLE OUT OF THERE.
I DO PERSONALLY AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.
THEY'RE DOWN THERE SMOKING WEED AND DOING WHATEVER OR BEATING EACH OTHER UP.
SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS WATCHED THEM BURN.
IS THERE A PERSON IN THERE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO GET CLOSE.
>> WE THANK YOU. I THINK, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WHAT ALL OF US IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, HAVE SEEN A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR TRAFFIC.
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WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.>> IF YOU WALK AROUND DOWN THERE AND IT'S THIS NASTY STUFF TOO.
IT'S NEEDLES AND IT'S CONDOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT ON THE GROUND AND THAT OTHER PARK, AND OFTEN IN THAT PARK, IN THE PLAZA.
>> I TALKED WITH POLICE CHIEF TODAY AND HE UNDERSTANDS YOUR CONCERNS.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE EXTRA PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
>> IT'S DEFINITELY ON HIS RADAR.
>> THAT WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS. IT'S VERY HELPFUL.
FOR OTHER PROJECTS, WE'LL DO THIS AGAIN. IT'S NOT JUST BOARD.
THIS IS BY HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS USEFUL FOR HELPING US TO SHAPE PUBLIC POLICY.
WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO PROJECT UPDATE.
[6.2 Project Update - 322 N. 3rd Street_Kosack Residence]
VERY POSITIVE NOTE.YOU GOT SOME SLIDES FIRST-OUT?
>> THE FIRST SIDE OF THE ISLAND.
>> FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THIS PROJECT WRAPPING UP.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND IT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A HOUSE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED TO TEAR DOWN AND HAS BEEN BEAUTIFULLY RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.
>> THIS IS THE BEFORE. [LAUGHTER] ALSO UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS MS. KOSACK IS OUR FIRST PERSON TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TAX INCENTIVE, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS CAN BE A GOOD EXAMPLE TO SHOW AND GET MORE PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TAX INCENTIVE WHEN THEY'RE DOING FULL REHABS ON HOUSES LIKE THIS.
WITH THAT, NEXT MONTH, WE'VE SEEN THE PART 1 WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED FOR THE TAX INCENTIVE, WE WILL BE WRAPPING UP AND FINALIZING THE PART 3, AND THEN FROM THERE, IF THAT GETS APPROVED, IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS A RESOLUTION FOR THAT TAX INCENTIVE.
I BELIEVE MS. KOSACK ISN'T GOING TO BE WITH US NEXT MONTH AT THE MEETING, SO IF THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT AND JUST GIVE AN UPDATE AND SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE, SO TAMMY WOULD RUN US THROUGH IT.
>> DO YOU WANT TO JUST QUICKLY SCROLL THROUGH THAT BEFORE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> STOP ON ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR.
>> JUST THIS IS THE PART THEY CALL THE BANANA, PART OF THE HAMMOCK, [LAUGHTER] AND WHEN WE WERE LIFTING THE HOUSE, THE FRONT PORCH WAS TWO FEET BELOW STREET GRADE WHEN I BOUGHT IT.
WE LITERALLY HAD TO LIFT THE TWO STORY AND THE ONE STORY AND WHEN WE'RE LIFTING IT, THIS ENTIRE WALL STARTED FALLING BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING HOLDING IT BUT THE DRYWALL.
IT WAS COMPLETELY [INAUDIBLE] BUT WE PUSHED IT BACK UP AND THEN KEEP SCROLLING.
IT HAD BECOME A RENTAL OVER THE YEARS, IT WAS BUILT IN 1884, 1885, THERE WAS POWDER POST BEETLES, TERMITES, RATS, CARPENTER ANTS, AND IT WAS A PRETTY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR DEMOLITION, BUT IT HAD SOME VERY GOOD BONES AND IT HAD A LOT OF AMAZING STRUCTURE.
THE INSIDE HAD BEEN DRYWALLED OVER MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS AND IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, A RENTAL BUT IT WASN'T REALLY PROPERLY MAINTAINED SO THE DRYWALL WAS CONCEALED IN A LOT OF HIDDEN DAMAGE.
THAT'S HOW IT LOOKED WHEN I BOUGHT IT AND I LIVED IN IT FOR A YEAR WHILE I WORKED ON THE DESIGN FOR IT AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING THE REHABILITATION TAX CREDITS.
JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, IT'S REALLY NOT A HUGE MONETARY GAIN FOR ME.
IT WAS MORE THE REASONING BEHIND IT BECAUSE IT BASICALLY PUTS THE DEED AND THE COVENANT ON MY PROPERTY THAT WHAT I'VE DONE CAN'T CHANGE FOR 10 YEARS.
IF SOMEBODY CAN'T THEN COME IN AND JUST KNOCK IT DOWN OR STRIP IT OUT, AND IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME TO HONOR THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS THE MATERIALS THAT WERE USED.
IT WAS BUILT BY AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILY AND THEY [NOISE] CAME DOWN HERE AND BUILT THIS HOUSE.
IT'S A SIMPLE WORKMEN'S HOUSE, IT'S NOT A FANCY CAPTAIN'S HOUSE BUT THAT TO ME WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MADE THIS AREA OF TOWN.
THE DEMO, TWO LAYERS OF DRYWALL CAME OUT, ALL THE BILLBOARD CAME OUT, THEN ALL THE PLANTS CAME OUT.
ALL OF THAT WAS STORED ON MY PROPERTY, I TENTED THE HOUSE, I LIFTED IT 60 INCHES TO DO ALL THE WORK.
SIR, YOU CAN GO TO SOME OF THE AFTERS.
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THE WAY I DESIGNED THE HOUSE, I KNEW I WANTED TO REUSE A LOT OF THE MATERIAL SO ALL THE PIERS, I PUT 31 NEW PIERS BACK IN MATCHING THE BRICK, MATCHING THEM MORE IN THE EXACT SAME ORIENTATION THAT THEY WERE IN.THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF THE HOUSE WAS PRESERVED, AND THEN IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THIS IS AN AFTER, BUT WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS THE ORIGINALS NEWEL, THE STAIRCASE STRING OR THE NEWEL POST, AND THEN THE PLANKING BEHIND IT IS ORIGINAL WOOD WITH WALLPAPER FRAGMENTS ON IT.
THAT ALL STAYS AND WE WORKED THAT WALL FROM THE OUTSIDE IN SO NONE OF THAT GOT DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
THEN ALL THE OTHER ROOM WALLS WE WORKED FROM THE INSIDE OUT SO WE CAN INSULATE.
YOU CAN SEE ON THOSE STEPS, 7, 11, AND 14 ARE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN THE OTHERS BECAUSE THEY WERE REPLACED OVER TIME AND THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST WORN DOWN OVER THE YEARS FROM 130 YEARS OF PEOPLE WALKING ON THEM.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEATURES. FOR THIS TAX CREDIT, YOU HAD TO FIRST SEE IF YOUR PROPERTY QUALIFIED, SO YOU HAVE TO SHOW WHAT THE CONTRIBUTING THINGS MIGHT BE AND THERE WERE NINE AREAS THAT WERE CONTRIBUTING.
THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE SHOWS THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOUSE, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS PRESERVE HOW IT WAS ORIENTED.
HERE WHERE THIS WOOD PLANKING IS ON THE TOP THAT WAS THE END OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THEN WHERE THE FLOOR ORIENTATION THE BOARD'S TURNED, THAT WAS THE BACK PORCH.
I PUT THE MATERIALS BACK IN TO VERY SPECIFICALLY SHOW HOW THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AND HOW IT ENDED, AND YOU CAN TRACE OUT THE FOOTPRINT OF EVERYTHING ON IT AND THOSE WERE THE ORIGINAL SIDE AND PIECES THAT WENT BACK INTO IT.
THIS SURVIVED THE HURRICANE OF 1898 AND IT SHIFTS IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF MOST OF THE HURRICANE HOUSES AND IT'S OFF PLUMBED BY FOUR-AND-A-HALF INCHES FROM THE TOP FLOOR TO THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
EVEN THE DOORS ON THE INSIDE ARE PART OF THE HURRICANE, SO THAT DOOR WAS PRESERVED JUST LIKE THAT AND IT HAS THE ORIGINAL THRESHOLD UNDERNEATH IT RIGHT THERE AND 100 YEARS OF LEATHER BOOTS WORE THAT DOWN.
THAT'S WHERE THE SIDE, AND AGAIN, STOPS.
THE WINDOWS OR THE OTHER FEATURE THAT WINDOW THAT'S RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT OF THE FRIDGE WAS DISCOVERED BEHIND PANELING OR DRYWALL CELL.
I'VE RETAINED THE ORIENTATION OF IT, THE FENESTRATION IS THE SAME AND WHAT BACKWARDS AND SAY TRIM, REUSED TRIM MATERIALS, REUSED CITING THAT WAS DISCOVERED.
PUT THEM ALL BACK IN THE SAME PLACE, WENT BACK WITH THE ORIGINAL SIZE WINDOWS BASED ON THE FRAMING THAT I FOUND IN THE WALLS.
THEN AGAIN, REUSED AS MANY MATERIALS AS POSSIBLE.
THE NINE AREAS, I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT I HIT ALL OF THEM AND CAN SHOW PEOPLE WHAT THIS HAS FELT LIKE WHEN THEY BUILT IT.
CEILINGS, THERE'S 25 FOOT LONG CEILING BOARDS AND THAT THREE ORIGINAL PAINT THAT'S ON IT THAT'S BEEN SEALED WITH AN ARCHIVE SEALER ON IT SO IT WON'T CHIP OR PEEL ANYMORE.
THE FLOORS HAVE ALL BEEN REDONE, THAT'S ORIGINAL BEADBOARD AND THE SAME COLORS THAT THEY PAINTED THAT WENT BACK UP ON A CEILING.
THAT IS ORIGINAL BEADBOARD TOO.
IT'S LIKE PEELING THE LAYERS OF AN ONION WHEN YOU GO IN AND YOU CAN JUST SEE WHAT THEY DID OVER TIME BECAUSE THEY DID BEADBOARD THAT WAS IN THERE WAS ACTUALLY THE 1932 REMODEL FOR THE HOUSE.
MY INTENTION WHEN I DID THE DESIGN FOR THE HOUSE WAS TO STRIKE A BENEVOLENT TENSION BETWEEN THE CENTURIES AND HONOR THE HISTORY AND VERY CLEARLY SHOW WHERE THE NEW THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO IT.
THAT'S WHERE I AM NOW AND I'M GATHERING UP SEVEN YEARS OF RECEIPTS TO SEE WHAT [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] JUST STOPPING SECOND ONE THAT I DID BEFORE.
>> THIS IS FASCINATING QUESTIONS. COMMENTS?
>> IT'S GORGEOUS AND IT'S SUCH A COOL THING TO SEE HAS COME ALONG OVER THE YEARS.
WHEN MAIN STREET HAD FIRST DONE PRESERVATION TOUR, TAMMY WAS IN A DEATH RUSH [LAUGHTER] PULLING THINGS APART AND SHE GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED PEOPLE DID TRUCK THROUGH AND SEE WHAT SHE WAS DOING.
IT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR PART OF THAT TOUR.
>> SHE SAID IF PEOPLE JUST KEPT TALKING ABOUT IT FOREVER THEY WOULDN'T LEAD.
[LAUGHTER] TO HAVE A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT TAKES TO BRING AN OLD PROPERTY BACK LIKE THAT.
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I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL THAT THE GENTLEMAN WHO WERE UP THERE CAME TO VISIT. THAT'S VERY COOL.>> MR. HARRIS, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION?
>> ISN'T IT APPROPRIATE TO OFFER TAMMY A ROUND OF APPLAUSE?
>> I THINK [INAUDIBLE]. [APPLAUSE]
>> I ALWAYS LIKE TO SAY, BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS.
TEARS OF JOY, TEARS OF DISTRESS, DISLOCATED SHOULDER.
I ALMOST CUT MY FINGER OFF AND BROKEN BACK INTO PLACES AND I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ELSE IS.
>> IT SHOWS ITSELF. IT'S TRULY LINING.
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS. I KNOW DR. GIBSON HIS HOME WITH HIS LONG ENOUGH BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE UCC DESIGN GUIDELINES UPDATE.
I RECEIVED A GREAT, WONDERFUL GRANT FROM THE STATE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE THROUGH THE SMALL MATCHING GRANT SYSTEM.
INITIALLY, WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING SOME MODELING PROJECTS WITH THAT AND IT TURNS OUT WE NEVER WERE.
WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN JUST DOING A DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE.
WE WENT BACK TO THE STATE TO ADVOCATE FOR CONVERTING THE MODELING PROJECT INTO ONLY DOWNTOWN DESIGN GUIDELINE UPDATE AND FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THEY ALWAYS THOUGHT WE WERE JUST DOING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
IT WORKED OUT TO OUR BENEFIT IN THIS CASE.
BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A REQUEST FOR QUOTE, TO BRING IN A CONSULTANT TO HELP SUPPORT STAFF IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE UPDATED DESIGN GUIDELINES.
AS PART OF THAT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THE HUC MEMBERS ABOUT HOW WELL THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE WORKING, AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT AND REALLY THINKING FORWARD BECAUSE THESE, AS WE'VE EXPERIENCED, WILL LAST ABOUT 10 YEARS.
OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ITEMS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANTICIPATE NEEDING TO BE ADDRESSED? WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH MR. POSADA LAST WEEK JUST TO GET THIS KICKED OFF AND HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK AND IDEAS OF WHERE THIS IS LEADING TO HEAD AND SOME ADDITIONAL POINTS THAT SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO UPDATED DOCUMENTS.
BUT WITHOUT GOING INTO THEM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU AND AS PART OF THAT AND WHETHER WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE THIS EVENING.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A SURVEY TOOL WHERE YOU INDIVIDUALLY CAN PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT OFTEN, WE LIKE TO FEED OFF OF EACH OTHER AND CONVERSATION, WHICH IS NICE, BUT THE INDEPENDENT THOUGHT ABOUT HOW YOU'VE INTERACTED AND ENGAGED WITH THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES, AS WELL AS AREAS FOR BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS INDIVIDUALLY, I THINK COULD BE REALLY POWERFUL FOR US TO CONSIDER.
THEN WE CAN COME BACK TOGETHER, OF COURSE, AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THOSE WOULD THEN SERVE AS THE BASIS BEHIND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN PUTTING TOGETHER THAT REQUEST FOR QUOTE.
IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK PRETTY QUICKLY FROM YOU.
>> MY GUT TELLS ME THAT THAT HYBRID APPROACH OF PROVIDING A SURVEY THAT WE CAN REPLY TO AND THEN GETTING TOGETHER AS A TASK FORCE AND THEN AS A FULL BOARD TO REVIEW WHAT THOSE SURVEYS AND THE FINDINGS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST MOVE, INTROVERTS, EXTROVERTS, ALL THAT.
I THINK SAL TALKED WITH US HAVE PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF, I'M TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORD, MODEL-BASED, DESIGN-BASED BASICALLY.
>> FORM BASE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I THINK IT'D BE MOST HELPFUL FOR USERS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY TEXT HEAVY RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS THE STANDARD.
WHEN IT WAS DONE THAT'S HOW WE DID THINGS.
NOW ONE MORE FORM BASIN, SO THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> IS THE DESIGN LITTLE COMMITTEES NO LONGER?
>> I THINK IT CAN CONTINUE AND GUIDANCE.
THE INITIAL MEETING ONLY ONE MEMBER WAS ABLE TO ATTEND.
BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY CONVERTING OVER TO BRING A CONSULTANT IN.
>> IT'S STILL A VERY SHORT TIMELINE.
THIS IS LIKE JANUARY TO DECEMBER.
>> YES, IT IS. NO IT'S NOT JANUARY TO DECEMBER.
NO, WE HAVEN'T TOLD JUNE OF NEXT YEAR.
BUT WE HAVE ALSO NOT RECEIVED AN UPDATED CONTRACT FROM THE STATE AT THIS POINT, SO WE DON'T HAVE AN EXECUTED CONTRACT, ALTHOUGH WE THINK THAT'S FORTHCOMING BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT MODELING EXPERT THAT WE USE PREVIOUSLY FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IS NO LONGER WITH US.
YOU BELIEVE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND AN ALTERNATE?
>> WE'RE NOT DOING THE MODELING AT ALL.
ALL OF THE FUNDS ARE DEDICATED TO THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINE [OVERLAPPING].
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUST OUT ON THESE FUNDS ARE DEDICATED ONLY FOR DOWNTOWN.
>> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST US?
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SO IT'S $50,000 FROM THE STATE.
>> WAIT, THAT'S FOR THE CONSULTANT OR THAT'S THE WHAT THE GRANT IS?
>> THE GRANT WHICH WILL BE USED FOR CONSULTING SERVICES.
>> 100% YOU'D WANT [OVERLAPPING].
>> 100% AND THERE IS NO CITY MATCH.
>> MR. [INAUDIBLE] WE DISCUSSED AT THAT LITTLE MEETING WAS REALLY SOME OF THE BASIC ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE NICE TO PURSUE, LIKE BRINGING GRAPHICS INTO THE CODE TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IT'S REALLY TEXT HEAVY.
IT BE NICE TO HAVE GRAPHICS SO THEY CAN HELP CLARIFY FOR PEOPLE.
WHAT DOES THIS LANGUAGE ACTUALLY REFERRING TO AND HAVING AN IMAGE OR A SERIES OF GRAPHICS THAT SPELLS IT OUT VISUALLY SO THAT IT'S MORE ENGAGING AND EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> SOME WORK HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY.
IS THAT TRUE? HAVE WE HAD SOME FOUNDATION WORK DONE?
>> WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, BUT WE DIDN'T GET INTO IT.
WE HAD OUR FIRST TRAINING [OVERLAPPING].
>> DO YOU REMEMBER US SOME EXAMPLES THAT YOU GAVE US MONTHS AGO OR A FEW OTHER PLACES THAT WERE REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES.
BECAUSE THE THING I AGREE WITH JANE AS WE GO MORE FORM-BASED WITH SOME GRAPHICS IN THERE, I THINK IT'S THE DO THIS, NOT THAT, THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS.
SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE WHAT TO DO, AND SOMEBODY'S DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY THINK THEY'RE DOING RIGHT AND IT'S A MINOR DETAIL.
IF YOU HAVE THE KNOT THIS AND POINT OUT WHY THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE.
THAT REALLY HELPS PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I PERSONALLY AM ASKING THE CONSULTANT IS, YES, I WANT DO THIS, NOT THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BOTH GRAPHICALLY AND PHOTOGRAPHIC EXAMPLES.
IT IS CLEARER AND MUCH MORE EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
>> YOU WILL BE WORKING ON THIS EFFORT TOO?
>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. WE CAN ACTUALLY SIMULATE THEY UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
>> THE STEPS TRIBUTES WERE PROVEN.
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WE HAVE FIVE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO SAY ABOUT THOSE?>> IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD ME TOO.
>> THEN I THINK THERE'S LEFT AS PUBLIC COMMENT.
WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP PREVIOUSLY WANTED TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME?
AM I MISSING ANYTHING ELSE, SILDY? GIVE ME STRAIGHT.
I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE I READ THIS GOING THROUGH, WHO KNOWS, THE COMPUTER.
I SAW SOME PLACE ABOUT SOME GRANTS OR SOME DISCUSSION OR SOMETHING FOR OFF-SITE PARKING RELATED TO OLD TOWN.
>> THE STATE PARK. THEY'RE IN THEIR VIEW WAS THAT THE HAND OF THE MUSEUM.
>> THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING AS FAR AS WE KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE BACK-AND-FORTH THERE?
>> WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.