Oct 17, 2023 Regular Meeting

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>> GOOD EVENING I CALL THIS MEETING AT THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION TO ORDER. AS ALWAYS WILL START WITH A ROLL

CALL, CITY CLERK TAKETH AWAY. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> HERE. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> YOUR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> HERE.

>> PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY THE NEWLY

APPOINTED CITY MANAGER. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH THE

BEAUTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION DELIVERED TODAY BY REVEREND.

>> LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER, OUR GOD, WE HAVE COME TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY BLESSINGS.

WE THANK YOU RIGHT NOW FOR YOUR MULTITUDE OF TENDER MERCIES, FATHER HAD NOT BEEN FOR YOU BY OUR SIDE, WHERE WOULD WE BE RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR FOR OUR FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS. WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN THE CROWN JEWEL OF THE EAST COAST, FERNANDINA BEACH FOR THE PERIOD NOW LORD WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD LEAD AND GUIDE, WE GIVE YOU THE PRAISES AND THE HONOR.

GOD BLESS FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA AND GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THE PEOPLE OF GOD SAID AMEN.

>> THANK YOU REVEREND. >> PLEASE BE SEATED TONIGHT, WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, WHAT A GREAT TURNOUT. I TELL YOU EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR THE YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING.

THAT IS FORCED ON THE LIST. WE GET A GET READY FOR THAT.

AS WE GET STARTED YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A BRAND-NEW CITY MANAGER UP HERE WITH US, PLEASE WELCOME TY ROSS.

[4.1 YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE - PRESENTATION]

>> I AM VERY HAMBURG DIGITAL COMMUNICATION MANAGER FOR FERNANDINA BEACH AND THE STAFF LIAISON FOR THE YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL COMMITTEE. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, RESIDENTS, THEY ARE ELECTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND SERVE ON A VOLUNTARY BASIS. LAST MONTH WAS THE TWO-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE RESURGENCE. I BEEN BLOWN AWAY BY THE AMOUNT OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IS IS MADE AND ASKED HIM TO COME HERE TO SHARE THE COMPETENCES HE APPEARED WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OLIVIA ROGERS, SHE IS OUR CHAIR.

>> HELLO, GOOD EVENING. WEIRD THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE EVENING I AM THE CHAIR RUNNING FOR THIS MEETING AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR INVITING US HERE.

WE WILL GIVE A STATUS UPDATE SINCE WE SEEN YOU LAST INTAKE WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH US. BEHIND ME IS THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE AND I WILL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES.

>> I AM LIBBY ALVAREZ AND I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE YOUTH

ADVISORY COUNCIL. >> I AM ELIZA VALENTINE I'M THE

COMMITTEE SECRETARY. >> I AM ANGELA CYR I'M JUST A

MEMBER. >> I'M ETHAN JOHNSON AND I AM

ALSO JUST A MEMBER. >> I'M CHRISTIAN STOCKS AND I'M

ALSO A MEMBER. >> I AM ALSO JUST A MEMBER.

>> OUR MISSION OF THIS COUNCIL IS TO ACT AS A BRIDGE BETWEEN OUR CITIES USED IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT. WE DO THIS BY TALKING TO MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY WANT IMPROVED OR ADDED FOR THE FUTURE FERNANDINA BEACH WE LISTEN TO OUR YOUTH IN OUR

BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. >> THIS IS HER IMPACT SLIDE IS SUMMARIZES ALL THE THINGS WE'VE DONE SO FAR AS THE COMMITTEE.

THE FIRST AND FOREMOST THAT MOST PEOPLE RECOGNIZE IS OUR MOVIE NIGHTS WHICH WE WILL ESTABLISH MORE LATER IN THE SLIDESHOW.

>> WE HOSTED THE ONLY FORM THAT ALL CANDIDATES ATTENDED.

>> WE WERE TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO REPRESENT THE YOUTH IN THEIR SURVEY.

>> WE DID THE YOUTH RECREATION USE.

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>> ANDREW AND I MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE CLUB A WHILE

AGO AND THEY DONATED MONEY. >> WE WORK WITH THE NASSAU SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR THE VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE.

>> THE LAST ONE IS ONGOING OCTOBER 24 WERE HOSTING A VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE IN THE CAFETERIA THE HIGH SCHOOL TRYING TO ESTABLISH YOUTH PARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT.

>> HELLO I AM ALIVE I AM THE FORWARDER FOR THE MOVING SEPTIC.

WE'VE DONE WORK IN THE PAST IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FAMILIES SENT TO SO MANY PEOPLE IN FERNANDINA TO COME TOGETHER WITH HER YOUNG WAS A TEENAGE. IF THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON I KNOW WE HAVE FOOTBALL GAMES A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NOT THINGS TO PASS 6:00 O'CLOCK TEACHER. MOVIE NIGHT IS SET BY SOBER FUN.

WE HAVE FAMILY FRIENDLY AND ONE COMING UP THIS SATURDAY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL YOUR FACES WERE DOING IS PICKING MOVIE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THESE FACES YOU THAT WOULD BE SO EXCITING WE HOPE TO GENERATE. WE HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AND THEY ALSO CAME THE HOUR DRIVE THAT WAS FUN TO GET TO KNOW THEM AND WE ALSO HELP ENCOURAGE SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF OUR SPONSORS AFFORD EVERYTHING IN OUR FOOD TRUCKS WE HAVE JACK'S TACO AND WHEEZING FOR SENIORS SUNRISE AND I'M SO EXCITED TO ENCOURAGE AND UPLIFT SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN THAT WE RUN ON SMALL BUSINESS. ON AVERAGE WE PROBABLY ENTER INTO PEOPLE IN THE PAST FOR I CAN'T WAIT TO PUT ON THE TEXT TO AND HAVE MORE OF AN AUDIENCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> A YEAR AGO WE HOSTED A CANDIDATE FORUM FOR T THE TO OPN CHEERS ON THIS COMMISSION. WE ASK QUESTIONS RELATING TO TOURISM, OUTREACH, GOVERNMENT AND THE YOUTH.

JUST WHAT THEY THINK WOULD BE GOOD AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON AND OTHER THINGS. OUR FORM WAS ONLY FOR THE ALL

CANDIDATES WERE PRESENT. >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR FUTURE PLANS AS A COMMITTEE. WE WANT TO ADOPT THE PARK AT THE COMMITTEE AND CLEAN IT UP AND GO THERE FREQUENTLY AND MAYBE RAISE SOME MONEY AND MAINTAIN THE PARKS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY PUT A BENCH THERE. >> WE ARE ALSO COLLABORATING WITH THE 2 200 STEERING COMMITTE FOR A TIME CAPSULE.

WE KINDA WANT TO DO IT BEFORE WE GRADUATE, IT'S GOING TO ACT.

>> SORRY. >> IT'S GOING TO ACT, WHAT'S IT CALLED SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTS OUR TIME AND EVERYTHING LIKE

THAT. >> WE NEED TO HOST ANOTHER FORUM FOR THE 2024 CANDIDATE ELECTION. IN OUR COMMITTEE WE HAVE THE FOUR OF US GRADUATING SO WE NEED NEW REPRESENTATIVES FOR

COMMITTEE. >> CONTINUE HOSTING MORE MOVIE NIGHTS AS PEOPLE SEEM TO ENJOY THEM.

>> WE WANT TO INSPIRE WHAT MAKES FERNANDINA SPECIAL.

LIKE THEY MENTIONED EARLIER IS A BIG PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT REALLY MAKES US CLOSE AS A COMMUNITY AND I FEEL I HAVE GROWN UP HERE AND I FEEL I'VE MET A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THROUGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THAT THEY HAVE AND I THINK IT MAKES THIS TOWN SPECIAL AND I'M GLAD I HAD THAT AND I WANT TO SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE TO THIS COMMITTEE.

>> LAST BUT NOT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW WE CONTINUE TO PRESENT MORE COMMITTEES AND ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP.

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>> ALONG WITH ALL OF THAT WE HAVE SOME REQUEST FOR YOU GUYS TO HELP US AND WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER FOR US TO REALLY DO WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR CITY IN TERMS OF YOUTH AND THE OVERALL COMMUNITY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR REPRESENTATION AT EVENTS OR MEETINGS. IN SOME YOU HAVE TO SHOW UP TO MOVIE NIGHT, TEAM NIGHTS, JUST LIKE ANY OF OUR MEETINGS TO SPEAK AND GIVE YOUR INSIGHT ON WHAT IT IS WERE DOING AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE. WE WOULD ALSO ASK FOR THINGS LIKE SUGGESTIONS AND THAT PRETTY MUCH LOOPS AROUND TO WHAT I JUST

SAID. >> ALSO WE WOULD LIKE IT NOT JUST HAVING YOU GUYS COME IN AND GIVE US ADVICE AND PARTICIPATE IN STEP THAT YOU ARE DOING SO YOU CAN HAVE BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO

CITIZENS OF FERNANDINA BEACH. >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. WE WONDER IF YOU HAVE ANY

COMMENTS? >> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CHAIR ROGERS OR THE WHOLE COMMITTEE.

>> I'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> THE CANDIDATE FORM IS WONDERFUL INTERMEDIATED CANDIDATE IN THE FIRST POLITICAL ENDEAVOR OF TAKING IT WAS CERTAINLY NICE TO START WITH THE USE COUNCIL AND EASE INTO THINGS A LITTLE BEFORE.

>> MAYOR STURGES. >> THANK YOU MAYOR.

>> I THANK YOU DID A GREAT JOB, I COULD'VE NEVER ENVISIONED WHEN BRADLEY BROUGHT THIS BACKUP ABOUT REJUVENATING THE YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION.

I'VE BEEN TO THE MOVIE NIGHT I COULD'VE WORE MY SHIRT AND COME UP AND SPOKE AND I WOULD LOVE TO I HAVE BEEN TO THE MOVIE NIGHT AND UNFORTUNATELY I CANNOT COME THIS SATURDAY BUT THE NEXT ONE I CAN. I WILL BE OUT DOING BAND STUFF WITH FERNANDINA BEACH HIGH SCHOOL.

ANYWAYS, I THINK DOING A GREAT JOB AND ONTO SOMETHING AS FAR AS WORKING TOGETHER. TO BE GREAT FOR SOME OF YOU AS MEMBERS TO JOIN US IN EVENTS. THERE IS A LOT OF TIMES TO SPEAK AND PUT YOUR INPUT IN. ALL INPUT FROM ALL AGE GROUPS IS WHAT WERE LOOKING FOR, JUST NOT NORMAL WORKING PEOPLE, NOT NORMAL RETIRED PEOPLE USE THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT IT MAKES IT SO GREAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> WERE REALLY PROUD OF YOU GUYS THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE

TONIGHT. >> JUST IN CASE IT WAS NOT CLEAR FOR THE MOVIE NIGHT THESE KIDS GO OUT THERE AND RAISE ALL THE MONEY THEMSELVES COMMENTS ON TAXPAYER DOLLARS, THEY ARE USING AN APPROACHING BUSINESSES AND GETTING SPONSORSHIPS AND THEY DO IT ALL ON THEIR OWN. I WANT TO GIVE THEM A SHADOW FOR

THAT TO. >> THANK YOU.

[4.2 BUDGET SUMMARY]

>> ALRIGHT AS THEY FILTER OUT WE HEADED DOWN TO THE BUDGET

SUMMARY ITEM 4.2. >> GOOD EVENING CITY CONTROLLER.

YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THE REPORT.

THE SEPTEMBER REPORT IS PRELIMINARY AND THERE ARE TRANSACTIONS THAT ARE BEING REPORTED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR END, SEPTEMBER IS A 12 MONTH AND REPRESENTS 100% OF THE BUDGET AND FISCAL YEAR. FOR THE GENERAL FUND YEAR TO DATE REVENUE 100% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET, THE STUDENT PROPERTY TAX

AND STATE REVENUE RECEIVES. >> OVERALL YEAR TO DATE 80.4% BUT WE'RE STILL REPORTING SOME TRANSACTIONS IN THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT IS OVER THE SMART IS THE CITY COMMISSION AND THAT IS DUE TO THE SEARCH FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

IN THE BUDGET AMENDMENT IS THAT THE WORKS TO CORRECT THIS.

WHILE TRANSFERS FOR THE YEAR HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS PAYMENTS ARE MADE ON THE STUCCO PROJECT, THE NEW PAYROLL TIME AND ATTENDED, IT, COMPUTER, EQUIPMENT, WATERFRONT RESILIENCY DESIGN, PARK, FENCING, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. FOR THE GOLF COURSE, OUR FEES ARE UP COMPARED TO THE BUDGET BUT EXPENSES EXCEEDED REVENUES

HERE TODAY. >> THE MOST REVENUE SOURCES ARE AT OR SLIGHTLY ABOVE THE 100% MARK.

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DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU MAYOR.

THIS LAST STATEMENT ONE MORE TIME.

>> THE MARINA REVENUE IS UP YEAR TO DATE DESPITE.

>> DESPITE NOT HAVING FUEL SINCE FEBRUARY THE MARINA IS STILL IN

A POSITIVE AREA. >> EVEN WITH THE FUEL CELLS BEING DOWN THE COST OF THE FUEL IS DOWN ALSO.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD QUESTION.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, HEADING RIGHT ON INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE ONE ADDITION ON 6.1 I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT TO THE CONSENT AGENDA IF IT'S AMENABLE.

>> 6.1. >> NO OBJECTIONS ON THAT, WE HAD THE CONSENT AGENDA PLUS 6.1. DO I HAVE A MOTION.

>> MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING THAT I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, IT'S OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HOPE THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT EVEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IN THE BACK YOU FILL OUT ONE OF THE PUBLIC, INFORMED, TURNED IT INTO THE CITY CLERK AND WE WILL HEAR YOU, WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT TONIGHT. THE CONSENT AGENDA IS HERE TO SPEED THE MEDIA. IS THERE THINGS THAT WERE EXPECTING 5 - VOTES ON AND WILL GO AHEAD AND GET THROUGH THIS.

WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEE NINE,

[6.2 AWARD OF BID 23-29 - PROPUMP & CONTROLS, INC]

CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES AMERICA.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> MAYOR BEING.

>> YES. >> FIVE-POINT.

>> OUR CITY ENGINEER MR. GEORGE. >> CITY ENGINEER, AS WE HAVE TALKED IN THE PAST THE GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION PUMP SYSTEM IS PRETTY MUCH AT THE END OF HIS LIFE AND IT IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE GOLF COURSE SO WE HAVE GONE OUT TO GET REPLACEMENT SYSTEMS WERE READY TO GET THIS THING IN BEFORE THERE IS A PROBLEM.

WE WENT OUT AND GOT ONE BID FROM PRO PUMP CONTROLS AND THAT THE COMPANY THAT YOU WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH WIDOW BODY DISCUSSIONS WITH AND THEY DO WITH THEM IN THE PAST.

WE GOT A BID FOR 2,072,000 AFTER 200 AND WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE COST AND THINGS LIKE THAT WERE RECOMMENDED COMMISSION APPROVAL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT TO GET THAT GOING AND THE DELIVERY IS A 30 WEEK TIME. WE DIDN'T INTEND TO AWARD TO THE CONTRACT AND LET HIM HAVE SOME ASSURANCE TO A PLACE THE ORDER WE DID THAT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND WERE UP AND RUNNING ONCE WE

GET APPROVAL. >> POINT OF ORDER.

>> HER POINT OF ORDER. >> I WILL MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE RULES BY THE COMMISSION OPERATES AND WHY IT DID ADOPT CITY COMMISSION RULES AND PROCEDURE.

UNDER THE RULES OF PROCEDURE UNDER 6.2.

THIS IS ORDER OF BUSINESS, PUBLIC SPEAKING AND MOTIONS ON ITEMS OF THE AGENDA, THE ORDER OF THE BUSINESS TO BE ONE, THE CITY MANAGER WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AS IT IS OCCURRED.

STAFF PARTICIPATION AS APPROPRIATE IF OCCURRED.

THE NEXT ORDER SHOULD BE PUBLIC INPUT FOR SPEAKERS WHO REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA IN THE NEXT SHOULD BE DISCUSSION BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND THEN THE MOTION MADE BY THE COMMISSION MEMBER EXECUTIVE BY ANOTHER COMMISSION MEMBER AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, AMENDMENTS AND THE MAYOR ASKED FOR THE VOTE. ALL ASKED THAT WE FOLLOW OUR

RULES OF ORDER. >> IT WAS CHANGED BY THE MERE

LAST TERM. >> ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS OF WHEN THE MOTION SHOULD BE MADE WE NEED TO ADOPT THE RULES AND

BE MORE CLEAR. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT I AM A PART OF THAT I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THE ROBERTS RULES AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE

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WE NEED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. I THINK HAVING A MOTION AND A SECOND IN ORDER TO START THE PROCESS HOW WE SHOULD GO BUT

THAT IS JUST ME. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I WOULD DISAGREE. I THINK THE FOLLOWING REASON, FIRST OF ALL YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE MOTION THAT MAY BE MADE MAY BE DIFFERENT AND DIFFICULT TO CHANGE MOTIONS AND SOMEONE. NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE RIGHT UP THERE IN FRONT, THEY MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN THERE IS PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN THERE COULD BE DISCUSSION AMONG THE COMMISSIONERS AND THAT'S THE WAY EVERYONE OF THE BOARDS IN THE CITY OPERATES.

THEY GO TO AN ADVISORY BOARD I GO TO THOSE MEETINGS AND EVERYONE OPERATES USING THIS METHOD AND DISORDER.

I THINK IT WORKS VERY WELL. PEOPLE HAVE A TIME TO DISCUSS WHAT IT IS AND ADOPTED THE MOTION THAT IS MADE ORIGINALLY FOR THE THOUGHTS MADE ORIGINALLY HAVE CHANGED.

TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IS THE BEST TIME TO MAKE A MOTION ON WHETHER TO AMEND OR TO CHANGE IT, MEND IT IN A MOTION CONCERNING THAT.

I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ORDER THAT WAS TAKEN FROM

ROBERTS ORDER. >> THIS IS WHAT WE ADOPTED I WOULD ASK THAT WE FOLLOW THIS TONIGHT OR SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE COME BACK AND HAVE A WORKSHOP ON WHAT OUR RULES ARE, THERE ARE OTHER RULES IN HERE THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE WITH. VICE MAYOR.

>> OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN CONDUCTED IN A CERTAIN WAY WHETHER WE HAD TO CHANGE OR CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THE POLICY.

I THINK WE COULD DISCUSS THAT FURTHER IN ANOTHER MEETING INSTEAD OF THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW.

IS ANYBODY ELSE PREPARED TO GET INTO THIS OR TALK ABOUT THESE ORDERS OR ROLES. I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THIS AND

THIS MEETING. >> NOTHING STOPS.

>> I'M OUT OF ORDER. >> YOU ARE RECOGNIZED OR ON

TRANSFER. >> NOTHING STOPS YOU FROM BEING RESCINDED OR AMENDED AFTER COMMENT.

THERE IS OFTEN TIMES THAT THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.

TO BEGIN THE DEBATE, THIS AGAIN MANY MEETING MEETINGS OF GOING TO ROBERTS RULES THE MOTION AND THE SECOND IS WHAT KICKS OFF THE DISCUSSION IN THE DEBATE. AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO IT AND I'M FINE WORKSHOP IN THE ENTIRE ISSUE AND WE CAN DISCUSS ROBERTS RULES AND HOW THINGS ARE DONE WITH 100 FIREMEN AND WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE ORDER WITHOUT.

I'M USED TO A PARTICULAR WAY AND I NEED TO FOLLOW A DIFFERENT WAY FOR MEETING THAT WE CAN WORKSHOP AND FIND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME.

I'M BRINGING UP THAT POINT. >> WHAT IS THE NEXT AVAILABLE WORKSHOP SLOT THAT WE CAN USE FOR THIS.

>> IT WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.

>> THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

>> EXCELLENT. >> WERE MORE THAN THREE MEETINGS AWAY FROM THE FIRST MEETING CAN WE DO IT THEN.

>> LET'S PUT IT ON THE SECOND MEETING.

TO COMMISSIONER ROSS' POINT THAT OUR ADOPTED ROLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME. A BODY THAT FOLLOWS ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER CAN LAYER ANOTHER SET OF RULES ON TOP OF THE ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER THAT IS WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS IS REFERRING TO THE LATEST ADOPTED ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER ON TOP OF THE RULES. EVEN THOUGH TRADITIONAL ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER MAY NOT NOT AND SHOULD NECESSARILY FOLLOW THE EVENTS THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD SAY READ WE WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE WE WILL DISCUSS IT AND WE WILL VOTE ON WHAT OUR COMMISSIONS IN THIS COMMISSION SHOULD BE COMING UP SOON MID-NOVEMBER. TO THAT POINT DID WE GET A

MOTION IN THE SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> ON THIS ISSUE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> WE HAVE JUST A MOTION AND WE HAVE NO SECOND.

>> AS COMMISSIONER ROSS POINTED OUT LET'S OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE IS NO REQUESTED PUBLIC COMMENT. THEN LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION BEFORE THE MOTION. IT'S LIKE HAVING ICE CAN BEFORE

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COMMENTS ON THIS. >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> HERE MOTION AND A SECOND,

ONCE AGAIN ANY DISCUSSION? >> I WILL SAY SOMETHING I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR THE CITY GOLF COURSE I'M EXCITED TO SEE THE NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM, IT'S GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. IT'S EXCITING.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

[6.3 SOLE SOURCE APPROVAL - STRYKER CORPORATION]

>> YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> YOU. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER BEING. >> THAT PASSES 5 - 06.3 WE HAVE A FIRE CHIEF TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

>> IN THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN APPROVAL FOR A STRYKER CORPORATION TO ENTER IN AN AGREEMENT THAT WILL PROVIDE NEW EQUIPMENT AND SERVICE AND UPDATE ON THAT EQUIPMENT OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD WAY TO COVER

THE CAPITAL EXPENSES. >> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU.

>> ONCE AGAIN LET'S OPEN IT UP, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE NO REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS. ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> BASICALLY THIS IS NOT A LEASE BUT IT IS A LEASE FOR YEARS.

WE ARE COMMITTING FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THERE IS NO ESCALATION AND THEY REPLACE THE EQUIPMENT JUST ONCE

DURING THE CYCLE, AM I CORRECT. >> WE CURRENTLY OWN $2.4 MILLION OF LIFESAVING EQUIPMENT. NOT STRUCTURES CHAIRS THAT WE USED TO GET PEOPLE DOWN FROM THE SECOND FLOOR, 34, ROOMS THEY ARE MONITORED, THE 50 LEADERS THAT WE USE WHEN SOMEBODY IS IN CARDIAC ARREST AND WE HAVE ABOUT $2.4 MILLION OF THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WE USE. THIS CONTRACT WILL ALLOW US TO REPLACE ALL THAT EQUIPMENT WHICH A LOT OF IT IS NOT WITH BRAND-NEW LATEST TECHNOLOGY %-ÚT IT TO US OR AS SOON AS IS APPROVED. IN THE NEXT 4 - 5 YEARS WE CAN GO BACK TO STRYKER AND ASKED FOR ALL THAT EQUIPMENT TO BE REPLACED AGAIN. BASICALLY WE ARE LOOKING AT $4.8 MILLION WORTH OF EQUIPMENT THAT THE CITY CAN GET FOR

183,000 YEAR FOR 10 YEARS. >> I WANT TO COMMEND THE DEPARTMENT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DEAL.

I'M A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH MOST OF THE STUFF.

HE GETS BEAT UP PRETTY QUICKLY. >> YES.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION ... OTHER, SPIVAK NO FURTHER

COMMENT. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> C9, CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[6.4 STATEWIDE MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT]

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> LIES MAYOR STURGES.

>> YES. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> GUESS THAT PASSES 5 - 0. >> ITEM FOR STATEWIDE MUTUAL AID

AGREEMENT. >> THANK YOU MAYOR.

>> THIS IS A MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE, IT IS THE STATEWIDE AGREEMENT, IF THE CITY WERE TO EVER BE HIT BY A NATURAL DISASTER OR HURRICANE THAT CAUSES MAJOR DAMAGE AND ALLOWS US TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY IF YOU HAVE A HURRICANE OR MAN-MADE DISASTER ARE RESOURCES IN THE COUNTY RESOURCES WILL BE DEPLETED VERY QUICKLY. THIS ALLOWS US TO REACH OUT TO THE STATE AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL RESOURCES INTO THE CITY TO HELP MANAGE THAT AND IN TURN IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES TO REQUEST RESOURCES FROM MUSCALA AND WHEN WE RESPOND TO THE WILL MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT IT ALLOWS FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE COST QUICKER AND GET THE MONEY BACK TO THE CITY SOONER.

>> THANK YOU CHIEF I HAVE NO REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.

>> CHIEF, I HAVE A QUESTION THIS IS SIMILAR THIS IS THE EXACT SAME DEAL THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, RENEWING AN EXISTING

CONTRACT ESSENTIALLY. >> WE HAVE OTHER MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER REGIONAL ASSETS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THIS IS ONE THAT IS STATEWIDE. IT IS THROUGH THE STATE AND

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FOR. >> OF COURSE I AM FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS, THIS IS THE POTENTIAL, WE COULD BE CALLED TO

SEND DOWN TO MIAMI. >> WE CAN ABSOLUTELY BE REQUESTED BUT IF WE CAN'T DO IT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES

TO SEND. >> UNDERSTAND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEE NONE.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

[6.5 PEMT REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM PARTICIPATION]

>> VICE MAYOR STURGES. >> THAT PASSES 5 - 0.

>> HEADING DOWN THE LIST. ITEM FIVE PE NT REIMBURSEMENT FOR PARTICIPATION, ONCE AGAIN CHIEF.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR, THIS IS MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENT, IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO RECEIVE THE FULL COST OF OUR TRANSPORT SERVICES. SO BASICALLY WHEN WE TRANSPORT A PATIENT THAT HAS EXCUSE ME MEDICAID, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF OUR TOTAL COST TO TRANSPORT A PATIENT IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS AS MANY OF YOU KNOW MEDICAID IS REDUCING THAT TO SAY $100.

THIS PROGRAM ALLOWS US TO BE A PART OF ALL OF THE MONEY BACK THE ADDITIONAL $900 BACK FOR THE TAXPAYERS INSTEAD OF THEM HAVING TO FUND THE TOTAL TRANSPORT. THIS ALSO ALLOWS US WHEN THE TIME COMES TO FLOOD THE PAPERWORK WE CAN MOVE THE PAPERWORK FORWARD AND ALSO INCLUDES AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL TRANSFER AND WHICH IS MONEY A MATCH THAT WE PUT INTO THE STATE FUND. THAT MONEY COMES BACK TO US WHEN WE RECEIVE OUR PMT FUNDS BACK. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF AN IGT FOR THE CITY MAYBE $10000. ONCE WE PAY THAT MONEY INTO THE STATE FUNDS WE WOULD GET POSSIBLY $30000 BACK WE WOULD GET 10 PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 20 THAT WE WOULD NOT OF RECEIVED

OTHERWISE. >> THANK YOU CHIEF.

>> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FROM THE >> THINK YOU MAYOR.

>> DOESN'T THIS TYPICALLY PALE FOR US EVERY YEAR TYPICALLY WE FUND THIS AND TYPICALLY YOU GET BACK MORE MONEY THAN WE ACTUALLY

PUTTING. >> MANAGEMENT STYLE THAT YOU

BEEN USED TO USING. >> WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS PROGRAM NOW FOR THREE YEARS AND AS A MATTER OF FACT WHEN I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FLORIDA FIRE CHIEF ASSOCIATION I TRAVEL TO TALLAHASSEE TO TALK WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO FUND THE PROGRAM AT THE STATE LEVEL. THIS IS FEDERAL MONEY THAT FLOWS DOWN TO THE STATE AND DOWN TO THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS.

THEREFORE THE STATE HAS COMMITTED OVER $140 MILLION TO THIS PROGRAM. THAT ALLOWED'S EVERY TRANSFER AGENCY, CITY, COUNTY TO RECOUP THE MEDICAID FUNDS THAT WE WOULD

OTHERWISE NOT SEE. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT THING,

KEEP DOING A GOOD JOB. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I THINK INTIMATE QUESTIONS. >> IS THERE FEDERAL FUNDS.

>> YES. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO I

HEAR A MOTION. >> ALL MOVED APPROVE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> YES.

[6.6 PUBLIC ART PROGRAM PROCESS/GUIDELINES AMENDMENT]

>> VICE MINISTER TO. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> THAT PASSES 5 - 0, PUBLIC PROGRAM PROCESS/GUIDELINE AMENDMENT. THIS IS COMING FROM THE ARTS AND

CULTURE BOARD. >> CHARLIE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AND I WAS LIKE I WILL INTRODUCE IT.

>> CATHERINE ROSSI PARKS INDIRECT DIRECTORY WE SUPPORT THE ARTS AND CULTURE NASSAU BOARD, THEY WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO SEPARATE AND PERMANENT ART, THE DOCUMENTATION HAS BEEN UPDATED, WAS AN APPLICATION AND THEN A TEMPORARY ART PACKET AND A PERMANENT ART PACKET, IT IS ALL IN ONE, EASIER TO READ AND ADDRESS SO NOW IT IS ALL ONE IN EASY TO USE. I CAN STAY FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU

MIGHT HAVE. >> AT NO REQUEST TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC, ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.

>> VICE MAYOR STURGES. >> THANK YOU MAYOR.

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>> CATHERINE IN HER PREVIOUS PROCEDURES, YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY BEFORE. HOW MANY PERMANENT ART PROJECTS WERE PUT FORWARD WERE APPROVED, DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THE

INFORMATION. >> I KNOW WE HAD TO PERMANENT PIECES, TWO TEMPORARY PIECES THAT WERE RECENTLY REMOVED SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. THIS IS AMENDED THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THEY WANTED TO CLEAN IT UP A BIT. WE DID FOLLOW THE TEMPORARY ART PROCESS WITH THE TWO THAT WERE RECENTLY REMOVED.

>> THE LANGUAGE IS CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE.

>> THE ARTIST WERE FINDING IT DIFFICULT IN THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN, WHERE DO YOU LOOK IN THIS SECTION FOR TEMPORARY AND READY LOOK FOR PERMANENT SO NOW IT IS ALL IN ONE EASY TO REFERENCE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT AS YOUR GUIDE.

>> THANK YOU MR. ROSSI. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YOU TOOK THE TWO FORMS AND MELTED THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE AREN'T VERY MANY CHANGES AS YOU COMPARE THEM.

>> THERE ARE NOT. IT IS EASIER TO USE IN A

CONVERSATION. >> WERE REDOING WHAT WE ALREADY

DID. >> IT'S ALMOST A CLERICAL

UPDATE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALRIGHT, DO WE HEAR A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE THE MCKAY

HEAR A MOTION IN THE SECOND. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE ARTWORK FOR THEIR WORK. CITY CLERK CALLED THE ROLE.

[6.7 SOLE SOURCE PURCHASE APPROVAL - EMPIRE PIPE & SUPPLY]

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> MAYOR BEAN. >> THAT PASSES 5 - 0.

SOLE-SOURCE PURCHASE APPROVAL EMPIRE PIPE AND SUPPLY.

HERE IS ANDRE WITH OUR CITY STORMWATER AND UTILITY SPARK.

>> GOOD EVENING I'M THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR.

WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR OUR YEARLY PURCHASE WATER METERS, THE EMPIRE SUPPLIES, THE ONLY VENDOR FOR THE MASTER METER WHICH IS THE SYSTEM THAT WE TRANSITION TO, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH ALL METERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SYSTEM. THIS WILL HANDLE ALL OF OUR CHANGE OUTS AND METERS FOR THE YEAR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY DISCUSSION, NO PUBLIC REQUEST TO SPEAK, COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> BRIEFLY ANDRE, THIS IS FILLING OUR SUPPLY OF ALL CITIZENS EVERY TIME THEY PURCHASE A METER THAT IS GETTING CHARGED AND TAKEN AWAY FROM THIS

COST. >> YES WE ARE REPLACING 8 METERS AGED OUT OF THE SYSTEM. THEY HAVE A LIFESPAN OF AN INTERNAL BATTERY LASTED ABOUT 10 YEARS.

WE HAVE CHANGE OUTS OF THE EXISTING LEADERS AND NEW METERS.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I READ IN THE SYNOPSIS IS SAYS ENABLE THE CITY TO TRANSITION TO THE REMOTE READER MEETING, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON

WHAT THAT IS. >> I'M SORRY OUR PREVIOUS METER SYSTEM WAS ATTACHED READ, THE METER HAS A SMALL CAP ON THE TOP OF THE METER BOX THAT HER TECHNICIAN HAS TO PASS THE WAND OVER TO TAKE THE READING EVERY MONTH.

YOU MIGHT'VE SEEN AROUND TOWN ON THE SEGWAY THAT IS THE METHOD WE HAVE BEEN USING THE NEW SYSTEM, THERE ARE TWO CAPABILITIES WE USED TO METERS, AMR WHICH IS THE RADIO BECOME EQUIPMENT AND A VEHICLE THAT WE COULD DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IDEALLY IT READS FOR A 1 MILE RADIUS AND THE READ METER IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY. THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GO TO AN AMI WHICH IS WHAT WE INSTALL THE PETER STATIONS ON THE WATER TOWER AND SEVERAL OTHER PLACES AROUND TOWN THAT THE METERS WILL TRANSMIT INFORMATION CONSTANTLY KIND OF LIKE THE SMART METERS ALONG THE ELECTRIC UTILITIES THAT ARE GOING TO.

THAT WILL ENABLE US TO TRACK THEIR WATER USAGE REAL-TIME AND LEAK DETENTION UNDER DETECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS ULTIMATE GOAL. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRANSITIONING FIRST TO THE RADIO READ WHICH IS MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO RUN THE

ROUTES. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, DO I HEAR A MOTION.

>> MOVED APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> C9, CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

[6.8 PUBLIC LANDS INVENTORY]

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> MAYOR BEAN. >> YES, THAT PASSES 5 - 0.

MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT. I UNDERSTAND ITEM EIGHT IS AN ITEM THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY BE HERE TO SPEAK ON.

I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE WELCOME YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I HOPE THAT YOU COME SPEAK TONIGHT AND MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FILL OUT ONE OF THE FORMS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND TURN THE MEN AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS TONIGHT. AS THIS ITEM GETS PRESENTED.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE I MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS A LIST THAT IS MANDATED WE MAKE BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE STATE

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THIS IS NOT INTENDED AND WE WILL MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE GREAT WORK THAT AMERICA YOUTH DOES AND BY THE MLK CENTER, CHARLES ALBERT FIELD, THAT IS NOT THE INTENTION OF THIS.

WE WILL MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR LATER ON TONIGHT, THAT'S PRESENT IN YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR STORY TONIGHT. MS. GIBSON.

>> GOOD EVENING KELLY GIBSON PLANNING CONSERVATION DIRECTOR.

AS THE MAYOR SO PUT OUT ALREADY, THIS IS A LIST OF AVAILABLE PUBLIC LAND, CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES THAT CONTAIN RESIDENTIAL LAND USE OR ZONING. PROPERTY OF SUFFICIENT SIZE OR ACREAGE TO SUPPORT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.

THIS WAS A LIST MANDATED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND HIGHLIGHTED THROUGH THE RECENT ACT THAT THE CITY PREPARE ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS AND AN ANALYSIS BE PERFORMED TO ADDRESS AVAILABLE THAT HE OWNED LAND THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING USE. I PERSONALLY VETTED EVERY INDIVIDUAL CITY-OWNED PROPERTY CONTAINING RESIDENTIAL LAND USE OR ZONING AND EVALUATED IF THERE WAS PUBLIC AND FOR STRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SOMETHING THAT HAD TIE-INS TO IT AND DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE ONLY THREE AVAILABLE PROPERTIES THAT THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER ON ITS LIST.

THOSE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ON EIGHTH STREET, ONE CONTAINS ONE UNDERLYING RECORD LOCATED APPROXIMATELY INDIGO AND EIGHTH STREET. I SECOND AT INDIGO STREET AND IT DOES CONTAIN SOME IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING A BASKETBALL COURT AND SOME OTHER GAZEBO STRUCTURES AND BIKE RACKS BUT HAS A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

A THIRD PROPERTY LOCATED OFF OF ELM STREET ADJACENT TO THE BALLFIELDS CONTAINING 15 LOTS OF RECORD ON IT.

AND WITH THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.

I PUT THE INFORMATION AND THE RECORD OUT THERE BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU COULD DEVELOP THE FULL CAPACITY FOR ANY OF THE UNITS. I HAVE NOT FULLY ANALYZE THEM TO SEE HOW SETBACKS OR POTENTIAL HOUSING DESIGN MIGHT AFFECT THE STRUCTURES THAT WOULD EXIST THERE.

THE COMMISSION CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE ANY NUMBER OF ACTIONS.

THEY COULD REMOVE EVERY PROPERTY FROM THE LIST, THEY COULD DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE LAND USE AND ZONING DISTRICTS ASSIGNED TO THOSE PROPERTIES. OR THEY COULD ADOPT THE LIST AS PRESENTED. IT IS NOT BINDING ON THE COMMISSION THAT THEY ALLOW FOR THE POTENTIAL SALE OR USE OF THE PROPERTIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PURPOSES.

IT IS UP TO THEM TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH IT AND DIRECT STAFF AND HOW THEY WOULD LIKE THE REST TO PROCEED.

>> THANK YOU MS. GIBSON. WE WILL START BY CALLING PUBLIC COMMENT. NEVER BERNARD THOMPSON WILL

START US OFF. >> REVEREND BERNARD THOMPSON 13 BEACH FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA. I AM HERE TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM EXPLAINED EIGHT PUBLIC LAND SPECIFICALLY THE PROPERTIES DOWN INDIGO BETWEEN 11TH AND 10TH IN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE MLK CENTER BETWEEN ELM AND FIRING.

BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE AND THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. ON MARCH 28 OF THIS YEAR, GOVERNOR DESANTIS SIGNED THIS BILL, SB 102 WHICH IS A LOCAL LIVE LOCAL ACT. AMEN.

WHAT IT DOES, IT MANDATES LOCAL GOVERNANCE TO IDENTIFY AND AUTHORIZE AND DEVELOPMENT OF MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHILE THE SPIRIT OF THIS ACT IS REALLY GOOD, THE LETTER COULD HAVE FAR-REACHING CONSEQUENCES AND IT TAKES AWAY LOCAL CONTROL OF HOW THESE UNITS ARE BUILT. THERE ARE CITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT ARE PUSHING BACK AGAINST THIS ACT BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. THE ACT MANDATES THAT THESE HOUSES CAN BE BUILT UP TO THREE STORIES TALL AND THAT THEY MUST ALLOW THE HIGHEST ALLOWED DENSITY FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS. 40% OF THE UNITS WILL BE DESIGNATED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHICH IS DESCRIBED HERE AS A LOCAL AREA MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD

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IT WAS A LITTLE OVER $96000. 20% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSING WILL HAVE TO MAKE $100,000. THAT IS ONLY GUARANTEED FOR 30 YEARS, AFTER THAT THE PIPE CAN GO TO WHATEVER THE TRAGIC INCIDENT. AND THAT WILL ONLY ACCELERATE THE PROCESS WITH GENTRIFICATION OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLOATED, DRIVING UP PROPERTY VALUES AND TAXING PEOPLE OUT OF THE CITY.

SINCE THE 2000 CENSUS THE BLACK POPULATION IN FERNANDINA BEACH PORTA HAS DECREASED BY 28 PERCENTAGE.

WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING LIKE THIS FURTHER, FURTHER ACCELERATING THE EXODUS OF BLACK PEOPLE FROM FERNANDINA BEACH PORTA.

IS THAT ALL THE TIME I HAVE LEFT, THANK YOU.

TO TAKE THESE PROPERTIES OFF, WERE THINGS I SAY THAT IS A INJUSTICE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY DOWN BY AMERICA'S YOUTH THAT WOULD DECIMATE THAT PROGRAM WHICH IS DOING GREAT WORK AND IT'S AN INJUSTICE AND MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID THE JUSTICE ANYWAY WHERE AN INJUSTICE FOR EVERYWHERE AND BERNARD THOMPSON SAID IF ONE OF US I THREATENED ALL OF US ARE THREATENED.

>> THANK YOU REVEREND, WE WELCOME BRAD ANGUS.

MS. READ ANGUS TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT.

>> PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> I AM ANGUS I LIVE 822 PARKVIEW PLACE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO AMERICA'S YOUTH AND ASK THAT IT BE REZONED TO RECREATIONAL SO THIS WILL NOT COME UP IN THE FUTURE. THIS PROPERTY IS USED EVERY DAY BY THE CHILDREN OF AMERICA'S YOUTH.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT AMERICA'S YOUTH IT PROVIDES AFTERSCHOOL AND SUMMER CARE FOR CHILDREN, RIGHT NOW THERE IS CURRENTLY 40 - 45 CHILDREN SERVED EVERY DAY.

MEALS AND SNACKS ARE PROVIDED, THERE IS NO PAID STAFF, ALL OF THE STAFF INCLUDING THE DIRECTOR JOHN GILBERT, THE VOLUNTEERS.

THE SUPPORT OF THE PROGRAM IS THROUGH DONATIONS.

THE FAMILIES PAY NO FEES TO ATTEND AND THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD. THERE IS TUTORS PROVIDED, CHILDREN ARE TAUGHT STUDY HABITS THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK, HOW TO STUDY, THEY ARE TAUGHT MANNERS, THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO READ THAT THEY DO THEIR HOMEWORK BEFORE THEY PLAY.

THERE'S SO MUCH GOOD THAT IS DONE.

IF YOU EVER DRIVE BY 11TH STREET AFTER SCHOOL OR SOMEONE YOU SEE HOW MUCH THAT PROPERTY NEXT AMERICA'S YOUTH IS USED, THERE IS A BASKETBALL COURT, THERE IS BICYCLES, EVERY CHILD HAS A BICYCLE THAT THEY CAN RIDE, THERE ARE PICNIC TABLES WITH COVER SO THEY CAN EAT OUT THERE IN THE SUMMER.

THEY HAVE THE CHRISTMAS PARTY, THE FOURTH OF JULY PARTY, EVERY PARTY, BARBECUES ARE HELD ON THE PROPERTY.

THESE KIDS ARE NOT INSIDE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES OR WATCHING TV, THEY ARE OUTSIDE PLAYING, THEY ARE RIDING BIKES, THEY ARE RUNNING AROUND, THEY ARE PLAYING GAMES, VOLUNTEERS AT COMMON HAVE ORGANIZE GAMES. THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A PARK IN THE CITY IT IS ADJACENT TO AMERICA'S YOUTH AND PART OF THE AMERICA USE LOT SO THAT THE CHILDREN CAN BENEFIT FROM IT.

I ASKED THAT THIS PROPERTY BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF THE PUBLIC INVENTORY AND THAT IT BE CHANGED, THE ZONING BE CHANGED

TO RECREATIONAL. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE NO FURTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS. AM I MISSING ANY?

>> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON THIS

ISSUE? >> REVEREND.

>> , UP AS THE MAYOR I'M GETTING GIVE YOU PRIVILEGE TO COME BACK

UP. >> I DO WANT TO THANK MAYOR BEAN FOR YOUR COMPASSION AND YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING. IN THIS ISSUE.

FERNANDINA HAS A RICH HISTORY AND WE AS BLACK PEOPLE, WE WATCH

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WE WILL G WORK AT THE MEALS AND NOW THE DESCENDENTS CAME FORWARD TO THE FEAR. THAT IS VERY SAD OR IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, THE GENIE IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. COME ON DOWN SIR PLEASE START WITH THE NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> THOMAS MORRIS 1204 FIRST STREET.

>> I GOT THIS INFORMATION KIND OF LATE.

I REMEMBER HOW THE PIECE OF LAND GOT DONATED.

THEY ON THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WAS PART OF THE PIPELINE, THEY WERE PAYING TAXES ON AND THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO QUIT.

THEY WANTED TO DONATE THAT PIECE OF LAND AND THEY DONATED TO THE CITY AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AMERICA'S YOUTH AND CHAIRMAN OF THE PUBLIC HOUSING TWO.

AND WITH THE CITY CONSIDER DONATED NOT POSSIBLY TO THEM, PUBLIC HOUSING AND THE AMERICA'S YOUTH CONTINUE TO USE IT FOR THE

GOOD OF YOUTH IN FERNANDINA. >> COME ON DOWN.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> START WITH YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> 9248 POPULAR WAY FERNANDINA BEACH. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR PUBLIC LAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE TO FOLLOW HUD GUIDELINES BETWEEN 40 - 80% AMI WHICH ARE REVERENT SPOKE TO. WE ARE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILDING FOR HOMES ON SOUTH 11TH.

WE SUPPORT THE FACT THAT THERE IS RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY AND LAND AND THE PLACES THAT WE ARE BUILDING HOMES, WE ARE BUILDING IN THE AREA, WE ARE BUILDING IN THE STREETS, RIGHT NOW WE ARE FINISHING UP HOMES ON INVERTED AND WE HAVE SIX ON ELM WE HAVE THREE DUPLEXES AND PUTTING FAMILIES IN THOSE HOMES THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO GO TO BUY RENT OR AFFORD TO BUY A HOME.

THEY WORK HERE, THEY LIVE HERE AND THEY WANT TO STAY HERE.

THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE GENERATIONAL WEALTH FOR THEIR FAMILIES. I ASK THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER ANY PUBLIC LANDS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO CONSIDER DONATING TO NASSAU HABITAT OR CONSIDERING SOME TYPE OF PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR AFFILIATE.

EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE DO IT AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE 1993. THANK YOU.

>> CAN WE REQUEST TO SPEAK. >> ANYBODY ELSE, WE HAVE TIME.

LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION, VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION INTENDED TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE LANDS OTHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE INTENDED FOR, UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THIS CAME AROUND FROM THE STATE AS A MANDATE AND PUT IT ON OUR RAIN RADAR FOR IT TO BE TALKED ABOUT. IN MY OPINION I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THESE LANDS' END GIVE THEM TO WHAT THEY ARE, EITHER RECREATION OR AMERICA'S YOUTH IN THAT PARTICULAR LOT.

THE ONE ON EIGHTH STREET, THAT CAN BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT, THAT IS A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. I CANNOT SEE USEFUL RECREATIONAL LAND, HOWEVER, THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THEM OFFICE LIST AT A MINIMUM BUT OBVIOUSLY EITHER PERMANENTLY MOVE INTO RECREATION ESPECIALLY FOR ELM STREET.

I KNOW IN MY DISCUSSIONS, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS BUT IN MY DISCUSSION WE INTENDED TO APPROVE ELM STREET REC CENTER WITH THIS PROPERTY.

ONE OF THEM. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH AND SUPPORT THE BLACK COMMUNITY AS I ALWAYS

HAVE. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

>> MR. ROSS. >> THIS CAME FROM THE FLOOR TO STATUTE 166-0451. SAYS WITH THES AND LAND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR USES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALTHOUGH

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IF YOU GO TO THE FLORIDA SURPLUS LAND STATUTES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IS SAYS A GOOD FILTER TO USE IN DECIDING WHETHER CITY OR COUNTY ONLY AND IS APPROPRIATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TO ASK WHETHER APPROPRIATE FOR MARKET RATE HOUSING. THIS IS THE SAME TEST WE APPLY WHEN HEARING THE FLORIDA FAIR HOUSING STATUTE.

I DO NOT THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD'VE EVER UP AT THE TWO PROPERTIES, TWO OF THE THREE PROPERTIES ON THIS LIST.

I THINK ONE PROPERTY WHICH AS MR. MORRIS POINTED OUT BACK IN 2020 THAT THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY RAINIER THEY WERE APPROACHED AND THEY WANTED TO GET RID OF THE PROPERTY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEED FOR THE PROPERTY IT SAYS A QUIT CLAIM DEED TO THE CITY AND THEY GAVE IT FOR RECREATION AND CONSERVATION USE. I THINK IN HONORING THAT.

THE ZONING ON THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO RECREATION.

THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THE LAND AND KEEP A PERPETUITY TO AMERICA'S YOUTH TO USE IT. AS FAR AS -- AS FAR AS THE ELM STREET PARK GOES IF YOU LOOK AT WHEN THAT LAND WAS DONATED IT WAS DONATED FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE, THAT IS PART OF RECREATION.

I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT IT WAS OWNED R1 IT'S A THIRD OF THE PARK, THE ENTIRE PARK SHOULD BEK MADE ENTIRELY.

THAT IS THE SECOND THING. I DON'T THINK EITHER ONE OF THE PIECES OF PROPERTY SHOULD'VE SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY COMING ON THIS LIST. THAT IS MY OPINION.

AS FOR THE THIRD PROPERTY. IT IS A SMALL PARCEL NORTH OF THE GAS STATION ON EIGHTH STREET AND THE OTHER PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE OLD CLEANERS I BELIEVE.

I'VE KNOWN ABOUT THE PROPERTY FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.

I TRIED TO GET THE CITY TO SELL THE PROPERTY BACK THEN AND I COULD NOT FIND ANYBODY TO BUY THE PROPERTY.

IT IS NOT PARTICULARLY USABLE FOR MOST THINGS.

BUT I DID REACH OUT FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE IT OFF OUR HANDS AND MAKE IT INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK, NUMBER ONE WE SHOULD CONSIDER DONATING A PIECE OF PROPERTY.

NUMBER TWO, I AM BLI PLA NUMBERE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES WE MADE GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THE N BE CHANGED TO RECREATION. AND THAT WITH OUR CHARTER AND PRETTY MUCH PUTS IT INTO PERPETUITY FOR RECREATION.

YOU HAVE TO FOR CITY COMMISSIONERS TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE ELECTORATE.

I BELIEVE IT IS 75% OR 80% OF THE ELECTORATE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE TO SELL IT. THAT WOULD MUCH MAKE A PERPETUITY FOR RECREATION, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. ROSS.

>> ONE POINT OF INFORMATION, THE DONATION CAME FROM RAINIER ADVANCED MATERIALS WHICH IS THE MILL AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MILL GETS THE SHOUT OUT AND NOT THE LAND PEOPLE.

>> WE APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I WAS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT TALK TO YOUR MANAGER AND THAT GOT HIM TO DO IT AND GOT HIM INTERESTED.

IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND I APPLAUDED HIM AT THE TIME AND I APPLAUDED HIM NOW FOR DOING IT.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EITHER ONE OF THE TWO PROPERTIES THE ONE INDIGO WERE ELM STREET THAT THIS COMMISSION EVER BELIEVED THAT THEY SHOULD BE DEVELOPED INTO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE.

I UNDERSTAND THE STATE-MANDATED ASPECT OF THIS.

AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO BLAME STAFF FOR BRINGING FORTH THE IDEAS THAT WERE IN FRONT OF THEM.

THAT IS THEIR JOB, THEIR JOB IS TO BRING FORTH THE IDEAS AND THE COMMISSION'S JOB TO THAT EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US. SO HERE WE ARE, WE ARE BETTING VERY CLEARLY AT LEAST THREE OF US HAVE SPOKEN THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY ON INDIGO OR ELM STREET TO GO TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN RECREATION. I WILL SUPPORT THAT.

AND I DO APPRECIATE CITY STAFF'S HARD WORK ON THIS BUT HERE WE ARE AS A COMMISSION MAKING THE DECISION.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, WE HAVE THREE IN THAT MANNER.

THAT'S WERE I WOULD BE. >> VICE MAYOR.

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>> I MAKE A COMMENT. >> I REALLY BELIEVE THE BEST THING TO DO TO GO AHEAD AND WRITE IT UP, SEND IT BACK TO STAFF SO WE CAN APPROVE IT, WE CAN DO A CONSENSUS.

CAN WE VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING.

>> IF YOU VOTE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AMENDED TO INCLUDE ONLY THE SOUND LIKE THE ONE ON H STREET.

THIS IS TO BE OUT ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE.

COMMISSIONER ROSS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE WITH HIM TO DONATE THE LOT ON EIGHTH STREET, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU ALSO YOU WISH TO DONATE IT THAT IT IS JUST A DONE DEAL, YOU SAY THAT IS A PROPERTY TRANSFER, TITLE TRANSFER.

THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MENTION AS I DISCUSSED IT THIS MORNING WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS IS HABITAT FOR HUMANITY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN ANOTHER MEETING IT IS NOT AN PERPETUITY THAT IT REMAINS AFFORDABLE, THAT IS NOT THE MEETING FOREVER AND A DAY THAT IT STAYS AFFORDABLE. AT SOME POINT IT CAN BECOME MARKET BUT IT DEPENDS IF THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO ACCEPT THAT AT SOME POINT WE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE ALIVE BUT IT COULD BE SOLD AT MARKET RATE AND I'M NOT SURE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY I DO NOT BELIEVE WAS DONATED TO THE CITY SO IT IS TAXPAYER, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND I AM LETTING YOU KNOW IT DOES NOT MEAN IT STAYS AFFORDABLE FOREVER.

IF YOU DONATE TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, THEY HAVE THEIR RULES AND IT WILL STAY AFFORDABLE WHICH I THINK IS 25 OR 30 YEARS.

>> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED ESPECIALLY THIS EVENING WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS TO VOTE ON POSSIBLY TO AMEND IT AND VOTE ON THE RECREATIONAL PROPERTIES AND WE CAN RESEARCH FURTHER.

I DON'T OTHER ANY OF US KNOW THE COST THAT WOULD BENEFIT SO I'M NOT SLAMMING HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, I WILL BE THERE BUT I THINK IT COULD WORK OUT FOR THEM POSSIBLY BUT I THINK WE NEED TO RESEARCH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE AND THE OTHER TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY I THINK WE NEED TO DO OUR RESEARCH IN MY OPINION.

>> ABSOLUTELY VICE MAYOR. I'LL GO AHEAD AT THIS POINT AND SAY WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND THAT IS MAKING SURE THAT AMERICA'S YOUTH STAYS THE STRONGEST FOR THE KIDS TO GO PLAY AND WE SEEN THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY DO, IT IS A GREAT THING THAT WE HAVE VISITOR COMMUNITY, LET'S PROTECT THAT AND WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS, JUST BEHIND THE SCENES, WE ARE WORKING ON A NICE UPGRADE FOR CHARLES FIELD LET'S MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THAT AND THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR AS TO WHAT WE ARE DOING. THE MOTION I'M LOOKING TO HEAR TO APPROVE THIS LIST LET'S TAKE OFF THE TWO PROPERTIES IN LET'S SAY WE INTEND TO SEND THEM TO GET CHANGED FOR RECREATION.

WE CANNOT DO THAT ALRIGHT NOW BUT WE CAN APPROVE THE LIST

MINUS THAT. >> BEFORE YOU HAVE A MOTION WE

HAVE ONE MORE COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> ACTUALLY WITH THE LEGISLATION IT DOESN'T SAY PERPETUITY IS IS PERMANENT AND THERE IS A DISTINCTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

HABITAT FOR HUMANITY'S FINANCING AND THE DIFFERENCES IN THE PAST BUT THE WAY THAT THEY FINANCE THEY HAVE FIRST MORTGAGE AGAINST THE SECOND MORTGAGE AND HOLD THE SECOND MORTGAGE AND THE RIGHT OF REFUSAL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED.

BUT IT'S BASICALLY PRETTY PRIMITIVE.

AND I THINK. I LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY FOR FIVE YEARS AGO TO BEAT THE BUSHES TRYING TO SELL IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET MONEY FOR CONSERVATION LAND WERE TREES AND I CANNOT FIND ANYBODY TO BUY IT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING ORGANIZATION THAT WILL TAKE THIS ONE PARCEL AND PUT ONE UNIT ON IT. THAT'S NOT HOW THEY WORK, THEY DO BIG PROJECTS. I THINK THIS IS A COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION THAT IS DONE GREAT WORK IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY DO IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS A PIECE OF LAND THAT SAT THERE AND NOBODY HAS USED AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EMOTIONLESS AS WE GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THEM OVER THIS PIECE OF PARCEL AND THEN DIRECT THE PLANNING BOARD APPROPRIATE STAFF TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND ZONING MAPS FOR THE OTHER TWO PARCELS TO RECREATION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHTS.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE DO I HEAR THAT MOTION.

>> I GUESS I DON'T KNOW FOR STILL IN DISCUSSION.

>> I WAS WITH THE VICE MAYOR ON LEAVING THE FIRST PARCEL ALONE

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TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MY MOTION WOULD BE TO REMOVE AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE REMOVING PARCELS TWO AND THREE FROM CONSIDERATION, DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE PROCESS TO PUT THE TWO PARCELS INTO RECREATION INTO DIRECT STAFF TO RESEARCH MORE ON PARCEL ONE FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.

>> SECOND. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN THE SECOND. WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THIS IS DISCUSSION ROUND TWO IS LIKE DISCUSSION BROWN ONE BUT WE HAVE A MOTION TO COMMISSIONER ROSCOE AHEAD.

>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AMEND YOUR MOTION SO THAT STAFF HAS TO COME BACK IN A MONTH WITHOUT REPORT ON THE PROPERTY?

>> WE NEED A TIMEFRAME I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT.

I AMEND THAT MOTION TO SAY ONE MONTH.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> THE SECOND HAS BEEN SECONDED.

ALRIGHT FOLKS SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

RIGHT BEFORE WE VOTE I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT WE DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY FOR MAKING YOUR VOICE HEARD AND STICK AROUND WE HAVE A LOT MORE GREAT DISCUSSION COMING UP.

THERE IS A LOT OF ANNEXATIONS COMING, IT'S GOOD TO BE GOOD.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL BEEN A COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> VICE MINISTER JUST BE MY GUESS.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES. >> THAT PASSES LIKE .

WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN FOR A QUICK FIVE

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY BACK TO YOUR SEATS. RECONVENING THE CITY COMMISSION

[6.9 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - YBOR ALVAREZ SPORTS COMPLEX LAND RELEASE]

WE ARE WORKING WITH NASSAU COUNTY TO DO THIS IS A REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX. WE HAVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY FROM THE AIRPORT WITH APPROVAL BY THE FAA, PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH THE FAA REQUIRES US TO DO AN EVALUATION.

REDOING THE 4F EVALUATION IN-HOUSE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE DEEPEST STUDY IS A NATIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY ACT THE FEDERAL ACT WE HAVE TO DO IN ENVIRONMENTAL AND CULTURE RESOURCE ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY TO SEE IF IT'S PRUDENT TO PUT WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT THEIR IN LOOKING AT SOIL, GROUNDWATER, ANY KIND OF CONTAMINATION, WEAPONS, ALL OF THOSE FACTORS, WILL BE DONE IS GONE TO THE ASSOCIATES IT WAS A LONG TIME AIRPORT CONSULTANT AND THE FAMILIAR WITH WORKING WITH FAA TO GET THE DOCUMENT PUT TOGETHER THAT THE FAA WILL APPROVAL. THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO APPROVE THE ASSOCIATES FOR $65460 TO DO THE NEPA EVAL EVALUATION. ONCE THAT'S DONE WILL SOMEBODY TO THE FAA FOR THEIR APPROVAL. THAT MAY TAKE A FEW MONTHS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH, BASED ON THE WAY THAT THEY OPERATE, FROM THERE, WE WILL START WORKING TOWARD THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANS AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW SOFTBALL -- SOCCER FIELD COMPLEX AND BY ALSO DOING THAT, WE WILL MOVE THE TWO SOFTBALL FIELDS TO THE MLK SITE TO CREATE THE EQUIVALENT

ATHLETIC COMPLEX. >> INC. MR. GEORGE.

>> I'M NO REQUEST TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS.

>> COME ON DOWN. >> GOOD EVENING.

I AM BEVERLY DAVIS, IRVINE STREET AMERICA BEACH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT I'M HEARING.

IS THIS PROPOSING TO MOVE THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES ON SADLER TO THE AIRPORT? I AM NOT FOLLOWING WHAT HE

SAYING, I'M KINDA CONFUSED. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY PLEASE.

>> WHAT WE ARE DOING WE ARE GOING TO RELOCATE THE EXISTING SOCCER FIELD ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THEY ARE NOW IN AIRPORT TO WHERE THE SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE AND NEVER GET UP AT THE SOFTBALL

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OF THE AIRPORT. >> AIRPORT ON AMELIA ISLANDS.

>> GREAT CLARIFICATION, THANK YOU.

>> WITH THAT, ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION?

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

REAL QUICK MR. GEORGE DO YOU KNOW IF THE COUNTY'S HABITATS NOT NECESSARILY WITH THIS PROCESS BUT ARE THEY COMMITTED.

>> THE COUNTY IS VERY EXCITED TO PARTICIPATE WITH US, THE GOOD CONTRIBUTE HALF OF THE FUNDS FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT TO HELP US OUT. IT IS GOING TO BE A REGIONAL ATHLETIC COMPLEX, IT'LL INCLUDE NASSAU COUNTY AND THE CITY ALL THE PROJECTS WHICH IS A GREAT THING.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHARLIE, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION I THANK YOU MENTIONED IN MY MEETING AND IN OUR DISCUSSION ON JUST BEGIN THIS TO THE ATTENTION YOU WHITTLED THE PRICE DOWN FROM WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD.

IT WAS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. >> CATH.

>> I WANT TO COMMEND YOU AS USUAL FOR DOING YOUR GREAT WORK FOR OUR CITY, THAT IS BASICALLY WHY I WANT TO BRING THE COMMENT UP BECAUSE YOU DO A GREAT JOB AND EVERYWHERE YOU CAN CUT WE GET CATS AND I APPRECIATE IT AND I'M SURE OUR CITIZENS DO BECAUSE IT HELPS OUR DOLLARS GO FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE AIRPORT DIRECTORS, MR. CARVER I MET WITH HIM, HE REALLY GAVE ME A DETAILED EXPLANATION ON WHY WE NEED TO GO TO THE FAA AND WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IS A OBLIGATED PROCESS BUT THE GOOD GET US THERE WITH THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO I HEAR A MOTION?

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> C9, CITY CLERK CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

[7.1 (Quasi-judicial) - VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - 2194 SADLER ROAD]

>> YES. >> VICE MINISTER TO.

>> A. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> YES. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES. >> THAT PASSES 5 - .

>> ORDINANCE 7.1 QUASIJUDICIAL AND ANNEXATION OF 2194 SADLER

ROAD. >> I'M TO GO AHEAD IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS UNDER FIRST READING THAT ARE LISTED AS QUASIJUDICIAL SO I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS WILL BE TAKEN UP SEPARATELY AS A SEPARATE HEARING, AND BETWEEN UC LEGISLATIVE THAT MEANS THE CITY COMMISSION WILL DO AS IT USUALLY DOES AND VOTE TO APPROVE OR DENY ON FIRST READING. WHEN IT COMES BACK ON SECOND READING IT IS APPROVED. FOR THE QUASI-JUDICIAL, THE FIRST THING THAT YOU WILL NOTICE THE CITY COMMISSION DOES NOT VOTE, THESE ORDINANCES AND WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS INTO READINGS, SO ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK ON THESE ITEMS BUT THE COMMISSION DOES NOT VOTE.

THAT MAY LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THEY CONSIDER THE EVIDENCE THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN ON THE RECORD FIRST. I WILL EXPLAIN THAT THE STAFF REPORT WHICH COMES FROM THE CITY'S PLANNING STAFF IS INCLUDED IN EVERYBODY'S PACKET AND INCLUDED AS PART OF THE RECORD. ANYBODY THAT IS COMING UP FIRST WOULD BE THE APPLICANT INVITED TO COME UP AND SPEAK AND PRESENT EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY ON THE RECORD.

AFTER THE APPLICANT IN THE CITY COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS ACTING LIKE A PANEL OF JUDGES. AS A PANEL OF JUDGES, THEY ARE HERE TO GET AN UNBIASED MANNER TO LISTEN TO THE EVIDENCE, WEIGH THE EVIDENCE AND WHEN WE COME BACK THE SECOND TIME, THEY WILL THEN VOTE, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DISCUSS THE ITEM, THERE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING IN THE NEXT MONTH THEY ARE CONSIDERING WHAT THEY HEARD HEARING WHAT THEY WISH TO DO WHEN THEY COME BACK TO THAT MEETING. ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE CITY IS AN AFFECTED PARTY. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT WITHOUT ME TIME IN YOU AND A TIMER GOING OFF TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, THE CITY RESIDENTS ONLY AND YOU WERE ABLE TO INTRODUCE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY ON THE RECORD YOURSELF, YOU ARE ALSO ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CITY STAFF, THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT AGENT AND ANY WITNESSES THAT MUST BE CALLED TO THE PODIUM.

THAT IS BASICALLY HOW THE HEARING GOES ONCE THE MAYOR CLOSES THE HEARING. AT THAT TIME THE CITY COMMISSION CAN ASK ANY PARTY, THE MAIN PARTY IS THE CITY AND THE

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THAT IS WHY IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAKING ON THE RECORD WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ARE ASKING QUESTIONS IF THEY CHOOSE TO AFFECTED PARTIES ARE NOT NECESSARILY INVOLVED IN THAT PART OF THE HEARING. AT THE END OF THE DISCUSSION, THE CITY COMMISSION AGAIN IS NOT GOING TO VOTE TONIGHT, THEY ARE GOING TO FALL SILENT AND FINISH THE DISCUSSION AND YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT MONTH TO FIND OUT THE NEXT TIME.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT AN APPEAL IN JUST A MINUTE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY COMMISSIONER, STAFF, AGENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE CONSIDER GIVING TESTIMONY ON THE RECORD.

ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK YOU TO BE ASKED TO STAND IN THE CITY CLERK IS GOING TO ADMINISTER AN OATH.

THE OATH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO AGREE THAT YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH AT THIS HEARING AND YOU ARE UNDER OATH AND ALL OF THAT AGAIN IS BEING KEPT AT THE RECORD. WHEN I SAY RECORD REMAKING AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDING OF THE MEETING TONIGHT.

APPEALS, THE DECISION THAT IS ULTIMATELY VOTED ON AND MADE AT THE NEXT MEETING 30 DAYS FROM NOW, THAT DECISION THAT THE PUBLIC HAS OR ANY AFFECTED PARTY AND THOSE WITHSTANDING HAVE 30 DAYS AFTER THAT TO APPEAL THE BOARD'S DECISION.

60 DAYS FROM NOW APPROXIMATELY WOULD BE THE END AND THERE IS NO MORE APPEAL, KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF ANYBODY HERE TONIGHT HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEARING PROCEDURES AND ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE MIGHT DO THE NEXT TIME YOU COULD ALWAYS FIND MY CONTACT INFORMATION ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HEARING DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS TONIGHT, DON'T BE SHY, RANGER HAND WILL ASK YOU TO

COME UP I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN IT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> DO WE SWEAR THEM AND NOW. >> SWEAR THEM AND NOW AND EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. WHAT THAT MEANS ASK PERTAIN MEANS WITHOUT BOTH PARTIES ARE ONE PARTY ABSENT THEY ARE THE CITY IN THE APPLICANT OR THE PROPERTY.

>> MS. BLACK TERRIFIC DO A SEPARATE OATH OR CAN WE SWEAR

AND EVERYBODY. >> ALL CASES COMING UP THAT WOULD WORK. IF YOU INTEND, OBVIOUSLY LATER ON IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK OR JUMPING WILL DO A UNDER OATH, LET'S GO AHEAD RIGHT NOW IF YOU ARE INTENDING TO SPEAK TONIGHT WHETHER ON 2194 SOUTH FAMILIAR ROAD, EITHER ONE OF THOSE, PLEASE RISE AND WE WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH OF OFFICE TO

YOU. >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE FACTUAL STATEMENTS AND REPRESENTATIONS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO PRESENT HIS COMMISSION DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE.

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> EDDIE AFFECTED PARTIES ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING THE HEARINGS YOU ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE AN OATH.

WE DID NOT SEE ANY CITIZENS WERE AFFECTED PARTIES WHICH MEANS YOU CAN GET UP AND SPEAK AND SAY YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST IT.

BUT YOUR TESTIMONY IS NOT TO BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD.

>> ON 7.1, VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. >> EX PARTE.

DO WE HAVE TO PRESENT THE ITEM AND THEN READ EX PARTE.

>> HOWEVER, YOU WANT TO DO IT. IF YOU WANT TO PRESENT EXPERT TO AFTER EVERY TITLE. WE DO WANT TO PRESENT EX PARTE WITH EACH ITEM AND NOT AS A WHOLE.

>> WE DO NEED TO PRESENT THE ITEM AND THEN GO TO EX PARTE THEN WE KNOW WHAT ITEM. THERE IS TWO SEPARATE ITEMS THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE DIFFERENT EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, LET'S PRESENT THE ITEM VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION 241 AND EXPERT.

>> AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF FERNANDINA BEACH PORTER, ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 1.41 ACRES OF LAND, LOCATED AT 2194 SADLER ROAD, CONTINUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> ALRIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD I'M GOING TO ASK FOR EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS HERE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY TO DISCLOSE, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> MY RECOLLECTION, SEVERAL YEARS AGO I MET WITH THE PETITIONER DISCUSSING THIS PROPERTY.

HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH THIS ATTORNEY THIS EVENING.

>> EXCELLENT. >> VICE MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MET WITH APPLICANT FOR THIS PROPERTY SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND I MET WITH APPLICANT MOST RECENTLY

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TIMES. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> YES, SIR. >> I HAVE NOT MET BUT I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH APPLICANT AND STAFF AS WELL.

>> I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY AND WITH MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND OF COURSE I TALKED TO STAFF.

WITH THAT I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. >> THAT CAN INCLUDE YOU

MS. GIBSON. >> GOOD EVENING KELLY GIBSON PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS EVENING YOU'RE CONSIDERING AN ANNEXATION FOR THE PARCEL OF LAND TOTALING 1.41 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT SADLER ROAD AND RYAN ROAD JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING.

AT THE INTERSECTION IT IS CONTINUOUS IN THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY AND IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATE LAW WITH THE CITY'S LIEN DEVELOPING CODE A CONFERENCE A PLAN, IT IS READY TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY.

I WILL SUBMIT INTO THE RECORD THE CITY STAFF REPORT AND ALL THE MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ITEM AS PART OF THE RECORD.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> THANK YOU MS. GIBSON. >> WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, COMMISSIONER ROSS ALLOW PUBLIC, FIRST.

>> I THOUGHT SHE ASKED FOR QUESTIONS.

>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH QUESTIONS.

>> THIS IS FOR THE RECORD. I LOOK THROUGH IT AND IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.

>> YES, SIR. >> THIS IS NOT CONTINGENT ON THE ANNEXATION IS NOT CONTINGENT ON BEING ASSIGNED THE FUTURE LAND

USE MAP, CORRECT. >> YES, SIR.

>> IT'S NOT CONTINGENT OF A ZONING CONTINGENT, CORRECT.

>> NO, SIR. >> WINDOWS THE ANNEXATION BECOME

FINAL? >> I BELIEVE IMMEDIATELY AFTER

SECOND READING. >> 30 DAYS AFTER SECOND READING.

>> WHEN CAN THE PETITIONER WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION.

>> AT ANY POINT PRIOR TO SECOND READING.

>> THANK YOU. FINALLY ACCEPTING THIS IN THE APPLICATION AND THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION IS NOT CONTINGENT ON

IMPROVING ANY SITE PLAN. >> THE ANNEXATION IS NOT SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF THERE IS NO FURTHER QUESTION, MS. GIBSON LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL ANY REQUEST TO

SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOHN LUCERO 9185 GATEWAY BOULEVARD, FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA WE ARE THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH THE MANAGEMENT LLC AND SARAH BUCHANAN. I WOULD RELY ON STAFF REPORT TESTIMONY AND WERE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY

HAVE OR THE PUBLIC MAY OPPOSE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

AT THIS TIME, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M DOING THIS BY THE BOOK, SHOULD WE HEAR FROM EVERYONE AND THEY GO TO QUESTIONS AS YOU SAID

BEFORE. >> THAT IS UP TO YOU, THE COMMISSIONERS CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY POINT DURING THE HEARING AND CERTAINLY AFTER THE PUBLIC GETS TO SPEAK.

>> TAKE YOU FOR THE CONFRONTATION, I SEE NO LIGHTS ON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. MR. LUSSIER.

WITH THE APPLICANT, HAS HE DONE ANY PRELIMINARY PLANNING FOR SAVING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE FOR THIS LOCATION.

>> YES YOU CAN SEE ALL THREE OF THE APPLICATIONS THERE IS AN ARBORIST REPORT INCLUDED WITH ALL THREE OF THEM.

IT IS PART OF THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU, THAT WAS MY

BIGGEST CONCERN. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

>> ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY OTHER AFFECTED PARTIES WHO WISH TO

SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? >> LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION. SHOULD WE GO TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION OR PARTIAL RESPONSIBLE.

>> YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO DISCUSS IF YOU HAVE THINGS TO DISCUSS. BUT I -- THE HEARING IS CLOSED NOW IS AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.

>> UNLESS THERE IS ANY OTHER FOR THE REQUEST TO SPEAK, SEEING NONE. THE HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> NOW A DISCUSSION AND IF YOU COME UP WITH QUESTIONS THAT YOU

STILL WISH TO ASK YOU CAN. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

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I WOULD LOVE TO HOPEFULLY HELP THIS APPLICANT AND I'M NOT SHOWING ANY BIAS I'M JUST SAYING HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND A WAYÚTHRS HAPPENING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY WALKS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD,

COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU GO AHEAD. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS FULLY AWARE THAT ANNEXING THIS PROPERY IS NO PROMISE THAT WE WILL APPROVE THE SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AS PART OF THIS THAT THEY ARE TWO ENTIRELY SEPARATE THINGS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS A DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDING THEY WOULD SPEAK

NOW. >> MS. BONNETT.

>> I DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE THAT HANGING, LEGALLY AS SITE PLAN IS APPROVED OR A DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND TONIGHT THERE ARE NO DEVELOPMENT ORDERS BEING ISSUED OR CONSIDERED.

AND ANNEXATION OF THE ZONING CATEGORY WHICH OF COURSE WILL NOT BE DONE UNTIL WE HAVE SECOND READING AFFAIR PROOF TONIGHT.

DEVELOPMENT ORDER SITE PLAN REVIEW AND A NUMBER OF PERMIT APPLICATIONS THAT WERE NOT SEEN. NOTHING IS BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT WILL GO HERE. OBVIOUSLY THE ZONING THAT IS A SIGN THAT WILL DICTATE WHAT MAY GO.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF I WALKED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I AM EXCITED THAT THIS IS GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE.

I AM IN LAKEWOOD, I GUESS I CAN THROW THAT OUT AS SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S WHERE MY HOUSES, AND BY 1.6-MILE LOOP I PASS BY THE SUBJECT PARCEL AND MANY NEIGHBORS IN ONE THING IF YOU BEEN TO PIRATE BAY, RYAN ROAD WERE LAKEWOOD RECENTLY, YOU HAVE SEEN THE SIGNS, THE YARD SIGNS THAT SAY NO RV IN THE HAVE A BIG NOTE ON THEIR. IT IS THE WILL OF THE PUBLIC THAT I BELIEVE BASED ON MY KNOWLEDGE IN MY CONVERSATIONS AVOID DIRECT NEIGHBORS. SOMETHING BESIDES AN RV PARK SHOULD BE PRESENT AT THIS PROPERTY.

THAT IS WHAT THIS PROCESS CAN ESTABLISH FOR THAT PROPERTY.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING I'M GLAD THE CITY IS ABLE TO HELP OUT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMEBODY DO CLOSE.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> IT SOUNDS ANTI-CLIMATIC BUT

[7.2 (Legislative) - FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT - 2194 SADLER ROAD]

>> ALRIGHT, I SEE REQUEST TO SPEAK, WHAT IS FROM KELLY

GIBSON, PLEASE TAKE US AWAY. >> ELLIE GIBSON PLANNING CONSERVATION YOU ARE CONSIDERING ASSIGNMENT OF THE MIXED FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY FOR SADLER ROAD AND RYAN ROAD.

THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS CONDUCIVE TO MIXED USE AND IS LOCATED ALONG A HEAVILY TRAVELED COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT LEADS BETWEEN EIGHTH STREET AND 81A OUT TO OUR BEACH.

WITHIN THAT AREA YOU SEE A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SOME MIXED-USE PROPERTIES AND ENTRYWAYS LEADING INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THE APPLICATION OF MIXED-USE SERVES AS A TRADITIONAL LAND USE CATEGORY INAPPROPRIATE WHERE YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ABUTTING EACH OTHER. THE MIXED USE AS A CATEGORY ALLOWS FOR BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE MIXED-USE STRUCTURES.

GIVES OPPORTUNITIES FOR STANDALONE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND A MIXTURE FOR THE SAME BUILDING OR ON THE SAME PARCEL. BUT AGAIN IT IS NOT REQUIRED IT IS ONLY AN OPPORTUNITY. THE STAFF REPORT AND BACKUP MATERIALS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE RECORD ARE MADE PART OF THIS RECORD AND WE WILL RELY ON THAT TO SERVE AS EVIDENCE FOR THE HEARING TONIGHT. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU MS. GIBSON.

ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS.

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>> SCENE NINE, COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? IS ANY COMMISSIONER WISH TO SPEAK ON THE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> AND YOU PUT THE POWERPOINT

OUT PLEASE. >> WE WILL GO TO THE FIRST SL

SLIDE. >> ACTUALLY THE SECOND SLIDE.

THIS IS THE PARCEL RIGHT HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT IT IS SADLER ROAD, THIS IS RYAN ROAD, THIS PARCEL IS IN THE COUNTY, IT IS COMMERCIAL, THIS PARCEL IS IN THE COUNTY, IT IS COMMERCIAL. THIS IS IN THE COUNTY AND HAS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF COMMERCIAL BUT IT HAS SOME OVERLAY THAT I DID NOT UNDERSTAND AND THEIR HOUSES BUILT ON THAT. WITH THE ZONING CATEGORY FOR LOW DENSITY HOUSING. I THINK IT IS 40.

THIS IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND THIS IS PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL ZONING AND ONE OF THE CITY WELLS IS THERE.

ALL THIS BACK IN HERE IS LOW DENSITY ARE ONE WITH A POD ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR UNITS OF ACRE.

GO TO THE NEXT LINE PLEASE. THAT'S WHAT RYAN ROAD LOOKS LIKE, A MAGNIFICENT OLD OAK TREE AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THIS IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE WELL, THE CITY PROPERTY IS RIGHT OVER HERE.

NEXT ONE PLEASE, YOU CAN SEE THE ZONING THIS IS COUNTY, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS THE PROPERTY, THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL.

THE BLUE SIGNIFIES FOR THE WELL IS PUBLIC PROPERTY.

ALL OF THIS IS OUR ONE ZONING CONSERVATION THAT THE FUTURE ZONING. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE HERE IF YOU GOING TO CHANGE THE ZONING IS MIXED-USE, I WILL SAY MIXED-USE BECAUSE IF YOU PUT ANYTHING ELSE IN HERE IT CAN BASICALLY BE CONSTRUED AT SPOT ZONING AND THEN WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOW DENSITY.

IF YOU CONSIDER THIS TO BE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BY ITS ZONING. THE NEXT ONE PLEASE.

THIS IS THE ZONING MAP WHICH AGAIN THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS UNDERLYING COMMERCIAL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNTY DID THAT. IT IS COMMERCIAL BUT THE COUNTY, THAT IS THE ZONING THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL AND THIS IS LOW DENSITY ARE ONE MEANING YOU CAN HAVE FOUR UNITS PER ACRE.

THE NEXT ONE. THAT IS OUR TWO WHICH PERMITS SINGLE FAMILY THE PART IN THE COUNTY HAS A MINIMUM OF 75 FEET AND THE MAXIMUM LOT DENSITY IS FIVE UNITS PER ACRE.

IN THE NEXT ONE PLEASE. THE CITY LOW DENSITY ALL THE YELLOW IS BASICALLY SINGLE DETACHED HOMES IT IS 40 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT IS THE SURROUNDING HOUSING.

THE NEXT ONE PLEASE. THIS IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR MIXED-USE, MIXED USES THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARCEL OR STRUCTURE WITH TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT LAND USES SUCH AS A COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE.

IT'S BASICALLY MIXED USE AND YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT USES AND THEIR COMBINED ON THE PARCEL. NEXT ONE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH IS MORE SPECIFIC WHICH SAYS THE DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF ACCOMMODATION OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND, NOT WAR, LIMITED NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.

THE MIXED-USE WOULD REQUIRE TWO DIFFERENT USES ON THE LAND.

AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE MIXED-USE BUILDING ON NORTH SECOND STREET. THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL UNDERNEATH AND ALL OF THESE ARE APARTMENTS, THIS IS A COUPLE OF BLOCKS ON MY HOUSE, THAT IS A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT.

IF YOU GO TO PLACES LIKE RICHMOND OR BALTIMORE OR A LOT OF THE NORTHERN CITIES, THESE ARE BROWNSTONES IN THE FIRST FLOOR OFF OF THE COMMERCIAL AND THE SECOND FLOORS HOUSING.

THAT IS WHAT ENVISIONED IN A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD, ALSO IF YOU GO TO EUROPE AND PARIS AND MOST OF THE EUROPEAN CITIES IS TRADITIONAL ACRES, BUSINESS IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT IS WHAT MIXED USE

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. >> VICE MAYOR.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR HALEY. >> ARE WE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE

GETTING OUR OPINIONS. >> THIS ONE IS OKAY IT IS LEGISLATIVE. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND-USE MAP AMENDMENT. THE NEXT ONE IS ZONING AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL NOT BE GIVING OUR OPINIONS.

>> OKAY. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE MY OPINION,

THANK YOU. >> I HAD TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE.

>> IT SHOULD BE ANYONE, WHERE'S KELLY GIBSON.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THAT MANDATORY THAT HIM YOU WANT OR IN YOU A BE SOLELY RESIDENTIAL AND SOME OTHER USE

IS THAT MANDATORY. >> EVERY MIXED-USE CATEGORY FROM THE CITY ALLOWS FOR A MIXTURE BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE A MIXTURE USE THAT IS IN YOU ONE, AND YOU EIGHT OR C3.

ADDITIONALLY THE MIXED USE CATEGORY AS DEFINED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EXPLICITLY STATES THAT IT ACCOMMODATES A MIXED USE OR STANDALONE ANGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY

RESIDENTIAL UNITS. >> IN YOUR OPINION, MIXED-USE WOULD WORK BUT WOULD MIXED-USE BE THE PROPER USED TO HAVE AN OFFICE WORK ENVIRONMENT UNDERNEATH OF A RESIDENTIAL UNIT

ABOVE IT. >> THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AS LONG AS YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE FOR THE PARKING AS ASSOCIATED WITH A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IN THE OFFICE SETTING THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM TO HAVE WITHIN THE LOCATION.

>> IT MIGHT DEMAND MORE PARKING TO DO THAT.

>> YES. >> MORE PARKING WOULD BE MORE

CARS. >> IT WOULD HAVE BOTH USES AVAILABLE AND IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE USE ITSELF SO THE PARKING

REQUIRED FOR. >> IN MY OPINION WHAT I'M HEARING MORE CONCRETE, LESS GRASS AND LESS TREES.

>> POTENTIALLY. >> AND I THINK THAT IS THE CASE.

>> AMELIA GREEN THAT IS A FEW BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT IS IN

THE CITY? >> YES, SIR.

>> IS SOLELY RESIDENTIAL IN HIGH DEMAND RESIDENTIAL, WOULD YOU

CALL THAT MEDIUM DENSITY. >> IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

>> WHAT IS IN FRONT OF IT? >> COMMERCIAL.

>> NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL, THE WHOLE AREA IS NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL EXCEPT FOR ONE POCKET IN THE COUNTY WHICH IS THE GOLF

COURSE, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THESE ARE JUST MY POINTS. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CORRECT USE TO BUILD THIS RESIDENTIAL ONLY AND NOT AT MIXED-USE FOR TWO REASONS. I THINK WHEN YOU DO THAT YOU WILL ASK FOR MORE PARKING SPACES, IT'S GOOD TO REDUCE GRASS AND TREES BY DEMANDING SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT CAN DETERMINE THAT LATER.

>> CORRECT. >> IT IS UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO DECIDE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT THEM A LOT.

IT CAN BE RESIDENTIAL, IT CAN BE COMMERCIAL.

AS LONG AS IT FITS IN THE RANGE OF USES FOR THE DISTRICT OR BE

MIXED. >> ALL OF THIS COMING FROM THE

BOARD LATER, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU, YOU ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> AND YOU EXPLAIN THE PARKING

ON THE MIXED-USE. >> IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO THE MIXED-USE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE TIED TO THE USE.

IF YOU DID AN OFFICE STRUCTURE, FOR EXAMPLE ON THE FIRST FLOOR ON A RESIDENTIAL UNIT ABOVE AT ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 300 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA DEDICATED TO THE USE.

IT WOULD DEMAND ADDITIONAL PARKING BEYOND THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT WHICH REQUIRES TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT.

>> OKAY. IF I'M LOOKING BACK AT THE MAP, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT, IF THIS MAP IS CORRECT, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MIXED USE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.

>> ADJACENT TO OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT WITHIN OUR SIERRA AREA YOU WILL SEE AREAS FOR MU ONE AND MIXED USE.

>> IF COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS CORRECT AND THAT IS ALL YOU COULD DO, WE WOULD HAVE BUSINESSES SITTING RIGHT THERE PARKING AND EVERYTHING IN THE MIXED-USE WITH THE PARKING UP

TOP. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT IS IT. >> ALRIGHT.

>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR

MIXED-USE, IS THAT CORRECT. >> YES MIXED-USE LAND USE IN THE

[01:40:02]

UNDERSTOOD. >> WITH THAT DO I HEAR A MOTION.

>> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> IN HERE MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

[7.3 (Quasi-judicial) - ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - 2194 SADLER ROAD]

>> YES. >> ICE MINISTER TO.

>> YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES. >> 5-0.

>> PACKET QUASIJUDICIAL ZONING MAP 214 SADLER ROAD, PLEASE

PRESENT. >> AS I SAID EARLIER, THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING RULES APPLIED TO SABIA BECAUSE I JUDICIAL ORDINANCE 2023-43, THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA ASSIGNING A ZONING CATEGORY OF MIXED-USE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2194 SADLER ROAD TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 1.4G FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE HEARINGS.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN AND ONCE AGAIN WE WELCOME MS.

MS. GIBSON. >> GOOD EVENING KELLY GIBSON PLANNING CONSERVATION, TONIGHT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A ZONING MAP OF MU ONE PARCEL LAND IDENTIFIED AT SADLER ROAD AND RYAN ROAD, THE STAFF IS IN A LIKE THIS FOR CONSISTENCY AND THE ABILITY TO DEVELOP THE LAND CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT HAS DETERMINED THAT IT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS WELL AS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, SUBMITTED INTO THE RECORD THE STAFF REPORT AND ALL BACKUP MATERIALS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE HEARING. THE LAST ITEM I WANT TO COVER IS PART OF THE ZONING OUT OF YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IN THE ZONING WITHIN THE MIXED USE OR MU ONE DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR SITE DESIGN FLEXIBILITY SO YOU CAN BETTER ACHIEVE FLEXIBILITY AND THE SIDING STRUCTURES TO REDUCE TREE LOSS AND PROTECT THE CANOPY AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF

LOOKING AT H MU ONE. >> IN QUESTION.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> WE PASSED, WE DID NOT PASS BUT THE ONLY CONSIDERATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS

MIXED-USE. >> CORRECT.

>> YES, SIR. >> THERE'S ONLY ONE ZONING THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO THIS AND THAT IS MIXED-USE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE

CORRECT. >> WE HAVE MATCHING ZONING AND

LAND USE CATEGORY HERE. >> AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL REAL OR FOUR DIFFERENT KINDS OF ZONING BUT WITH THIS THERE IS

ONLY ONE CHOICE MIXED-USE. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN DISCUSSION.

>> ALRIGHT. SEE NO CITIZEN DISCUSSION THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE WE OPENED IT UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO DISCUSS.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> TAMMY.

>> CAN I SPEAK ABOUT THIS OR IS THIS NOT ONE I SPEAK ABOUT.

>> IS IT YOUR QUESTION. >> MY QUESTION CAN I SPEAK MY

OPINION WERE NOT. >> NO.

[LAUGHTER] >> I WILL NOT SPEAK MY OPINION ON THIS. I AM NOT HIM I'M ONLY GOING TO GET FACTS, THE FACT IS THIS. BY DOING THIS PROCESS WHAT WE ARE DOING WE ARE SOLVING CAN MOVE OVER HERE THE PROBLEM OF THE RV PARK, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN REPORTED OR TALKED ABOUT BY MANY NEIGHBORS, THAT IS AN ISSUE AND THAT'S WHAT THIS

WAS TALKED. >> AND THAT IS A MONTH FROM NOW AND WITHOUT SEEING ANY FURTHER OPINIONS THAT IS CERTAINLY THE

UPSIDE. >> ALRIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> TO MAKE PERFECTLY CLEAR, YOU MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR BEFORE BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND DOES NOT COMMIT US TO

ANY SITE PLANNED. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THE SOLID DEVELOPMENT ORDER OR A REQUEST.

THIS APPLICATION AT THE NEXT HEARING WITH THE COMMISSION APPROVES THE REZONING. NONE OF THE APPLICATION MATERIAL WITH THE SITE PLAN BY ANY OF THE PHOTOMETRY ITEMS THE ANNEXATION OF THE ZONING IN THE FUTURE USE DOES NOT GUARANTEE ANY TYPE OF

DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY? >> THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS

TOTALLY SEPARATE. >> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROSS. WE CANNOT WELCOME YOU TO THE CITY YET, IT'S ANOTHER MONTH AND WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

[7.4 (Quasi-judicial) - VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - AMELIA ROAD]

>> THERE IS NO VOTE. WE HAD ONTO ITEM 7 .4 ANOTHER QUASIJUDICIAL BUT A NEW PARCEL. VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION MOU ROAD.

>> PLEASE PRESENT. >> ORDINANCE 2023-24 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY FERNANDINA BEACH PORTA, ANNEXING

[01:45:01]

HEARING. >> QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING IS OPEN. A PRIEST PRESENTER MS. GIBSON.

>> KELLY GIBSON PLANNING. >> AND INNOVATION FOR PARCEL LAND OFF OF AMELIA ROAD THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOUNDED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA LAW THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND DEVELOPING CODE AND WELL AS THE ADVISORY BOARD, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU MISS GIVES IN, ANY

QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOUR LIGHT

IS ON. >> EXCUSE ME.

>> SEEING NONE, WITH ANY OTHER AFFECTED PARTIES AND ANY CITIZENS WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME ON UP.

PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> GOOD EVENING BETH MOORE WITH THE LAW FIRM I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT IT'S 1617 SAN MARCO BOULEVARD IN JACKSONVILLE MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT ARE HERE THIS EVENING AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THE STAFF FOR THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> EDDIE QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, WE OPENED IT UP FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION. VICE MAYOR THIS IS A NON-

[7.5 (Legislative) - FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT - AMELIA ROAD]

WE WILL SEE YOU RIGHT BACK. LET'S GO TO ITEM 7 .5.

THIS ONE IS A LEGISLATIVE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNED TO AMELIA ROAD. PLEASE PRESENT.

>> OPINIONS ARE WELCOME, ORDINANCE 2023-45.

IT ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA ASSIGNING FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON AMELIA ROAD TOTALING A PROXIMALLY 1.33 ACRES OF LAND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

JUST LIKE THE LAST APPLICATION, THESE ARE LAND USE CATEGORIES AZONING CATEGORIES REQUESTED BY THE APP GET.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

>> POINT OF ORDER. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> EXPERT TAKEN MEDICATION. >> LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO WITH ANY EXPERT TO COMMUNICATION THAT YOU HAVE WITH THIS OTHER PROPERTY. AMELIA ROAD.

>> WE ARE NOT THERE YET. >> I WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE DID.

I MISS THE ONE RIGHT BEFORE THE. >> THAT YOU DIDN'T.

>> IT IS THREE ITEMS. >> I'M WATCHING.

>> I WILL KICK YOU UNDER THE TABLE.

>> WITH EXPERT TAKEN MEDICATION TO REMEMBER YOU TALK TO A LOT OF

STAFF, THEY. >> THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS.

>> THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS PARCEL, BEFORE THIS PARCEL ON VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, I AM ASSUMING NOBODY HAD EX PARTE TAKEN MEDICATION

BECAUSE YOU DID NOT DISCLOSE. >> I HAD EX PARTE TAKEN MEDICATION. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CURE IT.

AMELIA ROAD EX PARTE TO COMMUNICATION, VICE MAYOR WOULD

YOU LIKE TO START WITH THAT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT, I SPOKE WITH APPLICANT BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THEY CAME ACROSS AND THAT'S ALL THE COMMUNICATION THAT I HAD.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> MISSION ASK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND I SPOKE WITH SOME NEIGHBORS THAT IS A GOOD EX PARTE.

>> NOW LET'S GET BACK TO THE ACTUAL MEETING.

THE POINT OF ORDER. >> WERE TO GO JUMP ON IN AND MS.

>> AND EVEN KELLY GIBSON PLANNING CONSERVATION IN THIS EVENING I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE BACKUP MATERIALS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE RECORD AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE HEARING. THIS EVENING YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY TO THE PARCEL LAND PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED.

THIS IS THE LOWEST AVAILABLE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA GIVEN THE SURROUNDING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY AND THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE WITHIN AMELIA ROAD ON THIS PORTION OF THE MILIEU ROAD, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE LOT ASSIGNMENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND I AM

AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU MS. GIBSON.

>> LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> THE CURRENT ZONING IS? >> I BELIEVE IT IS LOW-DENSITY

[01:50:01]

RESIDENTIAL. >> IT IS THE EQUIVALENT IN

NASSAU COUNTY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. IS THIS JUST QUESTIONS OF KELLY.

>> ASK AWAY. >> IS THIS THE EQUIVALENT, HAS APPLICANT SUBMITTED ANY PLANS OR DESIGNS FOR THIS.

>> THE APPLICANT HAS DONE A MEETING WITH OUR TRC AND RECEIVED INITIAL COMMENTS BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FORMAL

UNDERWAY WITH THIS PROPERTY. >> THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING.

>> THIS IS A PART OF THE SHOW WHERE WE OPENED IT UP TO THE FLOOR. ANY PUBLIC MEMBER WISH TO CALM AND SPEAK ON THIS. SEE NINE, GENERAL DISCUSSION, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR OPINION IF YOU SO WISH.

>> VICE MAYOR, I WANTED TO STAND UP.

THIS IS ANOTHER ANNEXATION. I COULD STAND A PATHWAY.

GOOD GOSH, WE MODEL THIS ANNEXATION, THAT IS TAX DOLLARS COMING TO OUR CITY. NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT REGARDLESS, THE OWNER OR THE PREVIOUS OWNER WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTIES ALL AROUND WHETHER WE GIVE THE TAXES WERE NOT AND WHETHER WE DECIDE TO CONTROL WHETHER THEY DEVELOP THE PROPERTY OR WE ALLOW THEM TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND LET THEM DECIDE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO CONTROL THE PROPERTY.

I THINK IT'S NOTHING BUT A BENEFIT.

>> THAT YOU VICE MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE BENEFITS OF TAXATION OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VERSUS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

WHEN YOU ANNEX RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY YOU'RE PROBABLY GETTING 70% COSTING YOU ABOUT 20 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR IN SERVICES THAT WILL HAVE TO BE PROVIDED IN THE FUTURE.

WHEN YOU ANNEX COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, YOU ARE GETTING 30 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR. I AM NOT QUITE AS EXUBERANT ABOUT ANNEXING THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE I DID NOT THINK IT IS A NET LOSS ON TAXES. WE CAN ARGUE THAT FOREVER AND

EVER. >> I WILL GO BACK MR. STURGES.

>> I WHATEVER BUT IS, ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY AND SAY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALSO HAVE MORE ASPHALT, THE HAMMER CARS AND I THINK THET SAVES MORE TREES. THERE ARE MANY PROPERTIES OUT HERE IF THEY GO OR STAY COMMERCIAL THEY ARE GOING TO BE

HIGHER DENSITY. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.

>> I HAVE A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON EX PARTE TAIL WE CAN.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT THE AGENT WAS FOR AND I'M JUST SEEING IT.

I HAVE HAD EX PARTE TAKE COMMUNICATIONS WITH APPLICANT.

>> I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, I'VE NEVER MET THE APPLICANT BEFORE I'VE ONLY SPOKEN WITH THEM I HAD NO IDEA WHO THEY WERE. I APOLOGIZE.

>> GREAT, THAT WAS ALL THE COMMISSION DISCUSSION.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE? >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> I HEARD THAT, ANY FOR THE DISCUSSION, CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[7.6 (Quasi-judicial) - ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - AMELIA ROAD]

>> GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> YES. >> MISSION ASK YOU.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES, THAT PASSES 5 - 0. ONE MORE QUASIJUDICIAL IS ZONING MAP AND AMELIA ROAD. PLEASE PRESENT.

>> ORDINANCE 202346 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH QUARTER, ASSIGNING A CATEGORY OF LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ON AMELIA ROAD TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 1.33 ACRES OF LAND, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

PLEASE OPEN THE QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. MS. GIBSON ONCE AGAIN.

>> KELLY GIBSON PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.

I WILL BE RELYING ON THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED ON THE BACK OF THE MATERIALS FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM TO COMPLETE THE RECORD.

STAFF IS ANALYZED THE R1 ZONING DISTRICT AND FOUND IT CONSISTED WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME. THE PLATED ADVISORIES ISSUED AN RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS

THAT YOU HAVE. >> THANK YOU. OTHER ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GIBSON. IS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC AND THE AFFECTED PARTIES WISHING TO SPEAK? SEEING DON, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? >> SEEING DON, VICE MAYOR.

>> CENSUSES QUASIJUDICIAL I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING.

I WAS JUST SAYING THAT. >> WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING

[8.1 FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT - UNIMPROVED N. 7TH STREET AND CALHOUN STREET]

THAT MOVES US ONTO ITEM 8.1, FUTURE LAND USE, NOW OR IN THE SECOND READING. FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT UNAPPROVED NORTH SEVEN IN CALHOUN STREET.

>> ALL OF THESE ITEMS UNDER SECOND READING WE WILL BE VOTING ON EACH ONE THIS IS ORDINANCE 2023 E- 34 AND ORDINANCE OF THE

[01:55:06]

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK.

>> SEEING NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE, DO I HEAR A COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. DO I HEAR A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO PROVE. >> SECOND.

>> TO I HEAR ANYMORE DISCUSSION. CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[8.2 ZONING MAP AMENDMENT - UNIMPROVED N. 7TH STREET AND CALHOUN STREET]

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> YES.

>> VICE MAYOR STURGES. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> YES.

>> MISSION ASK YOU. >> YES.

>> MAYOR BEAN. >> YOU.

>> LIKE - . >> UNAPPROVED NORTH STREET NORTH SEVENTH STREET IN CALHOUN STREET.

>> ORDINANCE 2023 E- 35, AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNIE DATA BEACH PORTA ASSIGNEE THE ZONING CATEGORY OF CONSERVATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED ABOVE UNIMPROVED NORTH SEVENTH STREET IN CALHOUN STREET AND THE MID BLOCK OF UNIMPROVED NORTH SEVENTH STREET.

TOTALING APPROXIMATELY .46 ACRES OF LAND.

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN,

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? >> SEEING NONE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE, ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION ON THIS.

VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT CONNECTS TO ESCAMBIA'S. I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS BRIEFLY AND I THINK AS A COMMISSION WE SHOULD REMOVE THE STREET AT ESCAMBIA AND CREATE MARSHLANDS.

I'VE CURRENTLY BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON THIS BEHIND-THE-SCENES AND I THINK THAT THIS SEEMS TO BE WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS IN THE CHAMBERS ABOUT THIS CONNECTING LOCATION AND I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO SET SOMETHING UP IN THE FUTURE AND WORK ON THIS FASTER, THERE IS NOTHING THAT STOPS US IT'S NOT GOOD TO BE A GRAND EXPENSE. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY BUT IT CONNECTS TO ESCAMBIA WHICH IS CONNECTED.

I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS SPECIFIC CONSERVATION FOR THIS LAND BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONSERVATION IN-STATE CONSERVATION. THAT'S WHY I SUPPORTED BEING PURCHASED BY THE CITY MOST RECENTLY BEFORE US CHANGING.

AS PREVIOUS CITIZENS HAVE SENT E-MAILS TO ME DISCUSSING THIS AND I HAVE REPLIED ABOUT CERTAIN SCENARIOS WERE WHAT I THINK WE COULD MAKE MORE CONSERVATION AREA IN THIS AREA AND I THINK THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO IT AND WE SHOULD DO IT.

THAT IS IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER STURGES AND I AGREE ON SOMETHING.

LORDY LORDY. >> I BEEN OUT OF THIS FOR YEARS THAT WE ABANDONED ESCAMBIA STREET AND TURN THE AREA INTO CONSERVATION THERE IS A RECRUITER EITHER AND IT'S AN AREA THAT WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH CONSERVATION AS POSSIBLE. AND I WOULD HOPE WE COULD PULL THAT OFF WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, BEFORE I LEAVE THE COMMISSION, THAT IS ONE OF THE GOALS THAT I HAD ACTUALLY.

TO SEE IF I COULD PULL THAT OFF. I'M GLAD TO HEAR COMMISSIONER

STURGES IS AT LIKE MIND. >> I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. GIBSON IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE FOR THIS.

I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME NUMBERS, YOU GAVE ME SOME FACT THAT THE PROPERTY TOGETHER AND TO FAX IN PARTICULAR, NUMBER ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY WITH THIS, WE ADDED THE STORE CONSERVATION BUCKET AND THAT IS A GREAT NUMBER, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CONSERVATION/RECREATION LAND ARE

WE OUT TODAY. >> WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO 46% WHEN YOU COMBINE CONSERVATION AND RECREATION OPEN SPACE LAND AREA IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY UNIMPROVED LAND.

THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND SOME RECREATIONAL ZONED PROPERTY WITH THAT AND IT. IT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT THE LAND USE AND ZONING ANALYSIS PREVIOUS A MAP EXERCISE.

WE ARE GETTING CLOSER TO 46%. >> WITH THIS ADDED TO BIG THING.

ANOTHER QUESTION, WAS THAT YOU I WAS TALKING TO ABOUT THE TREE

[02:00:04]

>> BASED ON PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS, I HATE TO STEAL THE THUNDER OF MY STAFF ON THIS BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A TREE CANOPY IS GROWING SLIGHTLY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS BUT WE WILL HAVE THE FINAL ANALYSIS TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE IN THE SUMMER.

>> WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> THAT INCLUDES A STATE PARK WHICH IS A LARGE PORTION.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ALL THE WAY THINK IT IS A

GREAT NUMBER IT IS SOMEWHAT. >> IT'S A WONDERFUL AMENITY.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. IT'S A FINE CONSERVATION

MANAGEMENT. >> OF COURSE, NOT EVERY CITY HAS A STATE PARK IN IT. WHICH WE DO AND NOT EVERY CITY HAS A GREENWAY WHICH IS THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR BESIDES THE

STATE PARK. >> VICE MAYOR ROSS LAID OUT.

>> I AM SO SORRY. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES GO AHEAD.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE HIS LIGHT WAS ON.

>> I HAD A TERRIBLY LONG EVE EVENING, THE DEBATE OF THE TOPIC OF ESCAMBIA CAME UP, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DISCUSS NOW OR PUT ON A WORKSHOP WE HAVE IT BY DISCUSSING IT OR SHARING IT BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS IT ANOTHER TIME. IT CONFUSED ME A LITTLE BIT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WENT WITH THIS AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH

ESCAMBIA. >> COMMISSIONER ALL CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT. LIKE-MINDED LIKE COMMISSIONER ROSS I THINK WE NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT LET'S PUT IT ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE WORKSHOP IT'LL BE A EXCITING THING TO DISCUSS.

LET'S HAVE THAT ON THERE, TONIGHT THE VOTING IS JUST FINALIZING THE CONSERVATION LAND ON SEVENTH STREET AND CALHOUN.

THANK YOU. >> VICE MAYOR.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE TO CLARIFY I JUST BROUGHT IT UP, THIS IS CONNECTED. ENVIRONMENTALLY THIS IS

CONNECTED. >> THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP AND I'M NOT QUITE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS ON IT AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER ROSS, THAT WASN'T ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

>> ESCAMBIA CAME IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND I WAS LIKE ARE WE

VOTING ON ESCAMBIA. >> I JUST BROUGHT IT UP.

>> I WANT TO KEEP IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE LATER. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> WITH THAT, THE CITY CLERK

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> I DON'T HAVE A MOTION IN THE

SECOND. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE

APPROVE THIS. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN MADE THE

MOTION. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> WE GOT IT. CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

[8.3 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - 123 HIRTH ROAD AND 96030 SOMERSET DRIVE]

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> YES.

>> VICE MINISTER TO. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES THAT PASSES 5 - 0. >> AUTOMATE PRINTER INVOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND 96030 SOMERSET DRIVE.

>> ORDINANCE 202336 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA ANNEXING 20.89 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 123 EARTH ROAD AND 963 SOMERSET DRIVE, TO THE CITY LIMITS PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, DOES ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK.

>> SCENE NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED,

ANY COMMISSION DISCUSSION? >> VICE MAYOR.

>> THINKING MAYOR. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING.

I SAID AT THE FIRST READING AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN NOW.

THIS TAKES A LARGE AMOUNT OF SEWER THAT WOULD BE GOING INTO OUR AQUIFER OR GETTING CLOSE TO IT OUT OF IT BY REMOVING A LARGE SYSTEM. WE ARE PROVIDING SEWER SERVICES

ONLY AT THIS TIME, CORRECT? >> CORRECT, WATER IS 10 YEARS

FROM NOW. >> I THINK THIS IS AWESOME THAT WE ARE REMOVING A LARGE SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT IS GOING INTO OUR GROUND. I THINK THIS IS AWESOME AND I'M GLAD THEY'RE GOING TO THE CITY AND GETTING OUR SERVICES.

THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT, WITH THAT, DO I HEAR

A MOTION. >> MOVED TO PROVE.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECRETARY WE MAKE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEE NONE, CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL SPIRIT COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

[8.4 FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT -123 HIRTH ROAD AND 96030 SOMERSET DRIVE]

>> YES. >> VICE MINISTER TO.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> YES. >> MAYOR ROSS.

>> YES THAT PASSES 5 - 0. FUTURE LAND USE 123 EARTH ROAD

AND 96030 SOMERSET DRIVE. >> ORDINANCE 2023-37 AND

[02:05:02]

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN WOULD ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK, SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE.

ANY COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION? >> ONLY THING I HAVE IS TO REMIND EVERYONE WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT IS APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND, IF YOU'RE WATCHING AT HOME WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT REALLY BUILT APARTMENT COMPLEX JOINING THE CITY. DO I HEAR A MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> I HEAR THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE

CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

[8.5 ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT]

>> YES. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> MAYOR DEAN.

>> YES THAT PASSES 5 - 0. >> WE HAVE A ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT 123 HIRTH ROAD AND I 6030 SOMERSET DRIVE.

>> ORDINANCE 2023-38 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF CITY OF FERNIE DATA BEACH FLORIDA ASSIGNING HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ARE THREE FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 123 HERTZ ROAD AND 963 SOMERSET DRIVE. TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 20.89 ACRES OF LAND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, WOULD ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK.

, SEEING NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE, ANY

PUBLIC DISCUSSION. >> SEEING NONE, DO I HEAR A

MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND, I HEAR THE MOTION IN THE SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, SEE NONE PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS BE BACK AT. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

[8.6 CAPACITY FEES - WATER & WASTEWATER]

>> YOU. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES. THAT WRAPS THAT UP, THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US AS WE GET TO THE TEDIOUS ITEMS, RAN TO 8.6, CAPACITY FEES, WATER AND WASTEWATER --

>> THAT IS MR. DESOLATE I AM COMING TO READ THE TITLE IF THAT

IS OKAY. >> ORDINANCE 2023-39.

IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THIS FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA AMENDED ORDINANCE CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION, ARTICLE SEVEN, FINANCE DIVISION FOUR BY REPLACING IMPACT FEE WITH CAPACITY FEE IN THE TITLE AND THROUGHOUT THIS ARTICLE, BY REPLACING LEGAL LEASE TERMS SUCH AS SHALL BY PLAIN ENGLISH MUST OR MAY FOR REQUIREMENTS CONTAINED IN CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE ARTICLE, BY SPECIFICALLY AMENDING SECTION TWO-475 LEGISLATION'S FINDINGS TO STATE INTENT TO SATISFY DUAL RATIONAL AMENDED SECTION TWO-476 DEFINITIONS BY ADDING DEFINITION OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AMENDING SECTION TWO' TWO-477 TO REQUIRE PAYMENT OF CAPACITY FEE AMOUNT JUNE AMONG ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. REPEALING TWO-4681 AND RELATED TO REPAYMENT OF SAY FLORIDA GRANTS AND NOT JUST FOR GRANTS THAT ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT. AMENDING SECTION TWO-482 BY ESTABLISHING A SEWER SYSTEM CAPACITY BASED UPON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA AND BASED ON EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS BY CREATING SECTION TWO-483 PROVIDING FOR A SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY TRUST FUND, DEPOSITED FEES, USE OF FUNDS IN AMENDING DIVISION SEVEN, WATER CAPACITY FEE AND TRUST FUND BY AMENDING SECTION TWO-540 PROVIDING FOR LEGISLATIVE FINDINGS AMENDING SECTION TWO-542 BY ESTABLISHING A WATER SYSTEM CAPACITY FEE BASED ON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA AND BASED ON EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS, AMENDING SECTION TWO-544, BY ADDING DEFINITION OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN AMENDING TWO-547, CLARIFYING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, PROVIDED FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK

WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT FIRST. >> I WISH TO SEE FOR ANY

QUESTION. >> WELCOME MR. DEAN TO THE

PODIUM. >> GOOD EVENING RICHARD DEAN 414 FERNANDINA BEACH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY.

I ATTENDED THE JULY PRESENTATION WITH THIS ISSUE SURFACED IN THE FLORIDA RURAL WATER ASSOCIATION AND YOUR STAFF PRESENTED THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ADOPT, YOU WENT WITH LOWER FEES AND I UNDERSTAND WE WANT TO HOLD FEES DOWN BUT YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD STEWARD, THERE WAS INFORMATION PRESENTED BACK IN JULY AND THEN WE HAVE SOME COSTS COMING DOWN THE ROAD

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THE FEES THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, THAT LEVEL IS NOT GOING TO COVER THOSE KINDS OF COST. WE HAVE HISTORY IN THE CITY OF KICKING THE CAN ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND I THINK I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO REVISIT THE ISSUE.

WE CONSIDER, ADOPT OPTION B. THOSE FEES WILL COVER THE COST AND I THINK THE FAIRWAY FOR THE TAXPAYERS HAVE BEEN BEARING THE COST OF THE SYSTEM THE PEOPLE WANT TO CONNECT TO AND I THINK THAT'S THE CASE AND I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO HAVE FEE INCREASES THESE WERE SUBSTANTIAL BUT AS YOUR STAFF RECOMMENDED THEY CAN BE PHASED IN OVER TIME BUT THE KEY IS TO CHANGE THE COURSE THAT WE'VE BEEN ON OF NOT HAVING THE CAPACITY TO MAINTAIN HER INFRASTRUCTURE. WHEN THOSE BILLS COME TO THE GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY TO THE TAXPAYERS.

>> IS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> SEEING NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, GO WED. >> OF A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS OF

THE STAFF. >> MY FIRST QUESTION WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE TRUE, THE PROPOSED CAPACITY FEES WILL ONLY AFFECT NEW USERS AND THEY DO NOT INCREASE THE FEES OF THE CURRENT USERS. IS THAT CORRECT.

>> I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS WORKS.

THERE WE GO. >> CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE?

>> I GOT THESE NUMBERS FROM YOU THE TOTAL NUMBER IS 9771 OF THE CURRENT NUMBER OF WASTEWATER IS 843 AND THAT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, CORRECT.

>> CORRECT AND THESE ARE NOT TAXPAYERS, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT PAY FOR THE FEES, THEY MAY BE TAXPAYERS, THEY MAY BE NOT, IS PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE SYSTEM. IT INCLUDES THE COUNTY PEOPLE AS

WELL AS THE CITY PEOPLE. >> IT IS THE RATEPAYERS.

>> CORRECT. IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART IN THE UTILITIES IF THERE IS NO UTILITY PUTTING A FIGURE TO DEVELOP A NEW PROPERTY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THEN IT WILL COST YOU $20000 BECAUSE IT'S $5000 FOR A

WELL AND $5000, MORE OR LESS. >> 5015 THAT WAS FOR DISCUSSION

PURPOSES. >> THOSE ARE JUST BALLPARK

NUMBERS. >> UNDER THE CURRENT FEE WE CHARGE $959 FOR WATER IN $2321 FOR WASTEWATER WHICH COMES OUT TO $3280, THAT IS THE CURRENT FEES, CORRECT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OF GO TO OPTION A $520 FOR WASTEWATER AND WASTEWATER 2480 FOR A TOTAL OF $3000 SO THAT IS $200 LESS PER NEW USER THAN WE ARE CHARGING NOW, CORRECT.

>> CORRECT. >> IF WE GO TO OPTION B IT WOULD BE 2764 WATER, 7280 FOR WASTEWATER, TOTAL OF 10044 IN ADDITIONAL $6660 OVER WHAT PEOPLE CURRENTLY PAY TO TAP INTO

THE SYSTEM, IS THAT CORRECT. >> YES.

>> IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT LINE. THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF THE NEW USERS PER YEAR THE NUMBER THAT YOU GAVE ME THE OTHER DAY WAS APPROXIMATELY 70 FOR WATER IN 70 FOR WASTEWATER, THAT IS 140 NEW

USES A YEAR. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT'S PROBABLY LOW END. >> IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT

MORE. >> IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT ONE. WE HAVE A DEBT CURRENTLY OF $25 MILLION AND THAT IS TO FINANCING THE CURRENT REQUIRED NEW FUTURE CAPACITY. WE ALREADY PAID FOR THE NEW FUTURE CAPACITY AND WE'RE FINANCING AND IT WE OWE

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>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I WANT TO STAY ON THAT SIDE.

THE ADDITIONAL CURRENT REVENUE PER YEAR CURRENTLY, WHAT WE GET FOR NEW USERS IF YOU MULTIPLY 140 TIMES THE NUMBERS IT COMES DOWN TO $460,000. IF YOU GO TO OPTION A IT WILL GO TO 420. UNDER OPTION A WE WILL GET ALMOST $40000 LESS MORE OR LESS PER YEAR IF WE ADOPT OPTION A.

WE WILL BE GETTING LESS MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN YET WE STILL HAVE ALL THE DEBT TO PAY.

FOR OPTION B ADDITIONAL REVENUE ESTIMATE IF WE OPTED THAT $1.4 MILLION AND THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE GETTING ADDITIONAL A MILLION DOLLARS, $950,000 PER YEAR.

ADOPTING OPTION A WE LOSE 40000. BY ADOPTING OPTION B THE CITY GETS CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO HELP PAY DOWN THE DEBT FOR THE CAPACITY. I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS I WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER POINT, THE ESTIMATED COST PER CURRENT RATEPAYER IF YOU DIVIDE THE CURRENT RATEPAYER BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THE MONEY SO EACH RATEPAYER IS SUBSIDIZING THE FUTURE RATEPAYERS BY ABOUT $53 A YEAR, $54 A YEAR SO ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THE PAPER SEWER AND WATER ARE KICKING IN $54 A YEAR IF WE GO WITH OPTION A FOR THE NEW RATE USES. A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.

THE CITY HIRED THE RURAL WATER ASSOCIATION GIVEN AN EX PARTE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CAPACITY OF THE CITY SHOULD ADOPT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WAS A CONSULTANT WELL

QUALIFIED TO GIVE AN OPINION. >> YES, SIR.

>> THE CONSULTANT HAS DONE OVER 1000 OF THESE STUDIES, IS THAT

CORRECT. >> I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THEY NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH THE FINDINGS BEING CHALLENGED OR ANYBODY FINDING THEM INACCURATE IS THAT CORRECT.

>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. >> DID THE CONSULTANT RECOMMEND OPTION B FOR THE REPLACEMENT VALUE LOSS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ALREADY PAID FOR THE CAPACITY AND OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE GENERATED THAT WOULD BRING ON THE CAPACITY, IS THAT CORRECT.

>> YES THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT WAS OPTION B.

>> TO YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS OF THE CITY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> YOU ARE THE CITY EX PARTE ON

THIS I WOULD ASSUME. >> YES, SIR.

>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WHETHER THE PROJECTED COST TO REQUIRE NEW CAPACITY OF THE WASTEWATER AND WATER SYSTEM, CORRECT.

>> YES, SIR. >> YOU ARE RECOMMENDING OPTION

B. >> THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION.

>> I BELIEVE IT IS MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LONG-TERM HEALTH AND LIABILTY OF THE UTILITY.

IT HELPS TO OFFSET THE NEW YEAR'S OF THE SYSTEM AND ACCURATELY VALUES THE CAPACITY THAT THEY WILL BE UTILIZING THE

SYSTEM. >> ONE LAST QUESTION, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY EX PARTE OPINION THAT RECOMMENDS IT ADOPT

OPTION A AND NOT OPTION B. >> NO, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MR. ROSS.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

CAN YOU MOVE THE SLIDE UP I HAVE ONE QUESTION, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. LET'S GO WITH COMMISSIONER AN

ANTUN. >> HE BROUGHT TWO OR THREE OR FIVE YEAR PHASES AND IF THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION CLEARLY UPON THE LAST ONE WAS NOT TO GO WITH OPTION B CAN WE WORK OUR WAY TO OPTION B IS THAT A FAIR COMPROMISE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. COULD YOU GO TO ONE SLIDE BEFORE THIS, THIS MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE EQUAL SAYING IF SOMEONE HOOKS UP TO WATER AND WASTEWATER WE CONSIDER THEM TO CUSTOMERS NEW.

>> I DON'T THINK WE TYPICALLY WOULD.

MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE ARE CONNECTED TO BOTH, A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT IS ALREADY WATER AT THE TIME OF THE SEWER. GENERALLY I THINK THE NUMBER OF AVERAGE IS CLOSER TO 120 NEW CONNECTIONS PER YEAR, THAT WOULD

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>> YOU'RE TELLING ME SOMEBODY CONNECTS TO WATER AND WASTEWATER, THIS WOULD INDICATE THAT THEY PAID TO FEES BUT THEY

ONLY PAY ONE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THEY PAY WATER AND WASTEWATER

CAPACITY FEE. >> WHAT.

>> THE COMBINED TOTAL FOR OUR PURPOSES OPTION A IS $3000 COMBINED WATER AND SEWER. WE PAY $3000 IN OPTION A, OPTION B COMBINED WATER AND WASTEWATER WAS 10040.

>> OKAY I GOT IT. >> TO YOUR POINT FOR THE INFORMATION IS PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE TO USE NUMBER 70 FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF NEW USERS WHEN YOU COMBINE DID YOU TOTAL THE NUMBER OF WATER AND WASTEWATER SEPARATELY AS WELL.

>> BASICALLY YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT YOU UNDERESTIMATED WAS 120 SO I'M OFF BY ABOUT 20, CORRECT, COMBINE.

>> 120 NEW CUSTOMERS, 120 NEW RATEPAYERS.

>> MY EAR AND ESTIMATE WHAT YOU END UP TO IS CLOSER WHERE WE ARE WE AVERAGE 10 OR 12 A MONTH FOR THE PAST YEAR.

>> VICE MAYOR STURGES. >> WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS THE FIRST TIME WE DID DISCUSS POSSIBLY GOING BACK OUT FOR ANOTHER SURVEY IN A YEAR OR TWO BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION THE FIRST TIME.

WE ARE NOT MATCHING THE SAME SURVEY APPLES TO APPLES.

WE HAD A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SURVEY THAT WE GOT THE NUMBER FROM THE PREVIOUS NUMBER THAT WE ARE BASING OUR EXPENSES ON, IS

THAT CORRECT. >> AM I MISTAKEN AND THAT.

>> NO, THERE WAS A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY USE.

THE STUDY THAT FLORIDA WATER ASSOCIATION DID THE QUÉBEC WITH OPTION A AND OPTION B THOSE WERE THE RESULT OF TWO DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY. ONE WAS A NEW REPLACEMENT VALUE, THAT WAS OPTION B WHICH WAS THE COST OF REPLACING THE SYSTEM 100%, THE NEW REPLACEMENT COST OF THE SYSTEM IN THE GENERATED THE NUMBERS B, OPTION A WAS EQUIVALENT CURRENT VALUE OF THE SYSTEM AND THAT GENERATED THE NUMBERS FOR OPTION A.

AND THEN THE ORIGINAL REPORT OUR CURRENT FEES WERE BASED ON WAS ANOTHER METHOD IT WAS A BLEND BETWEEN THE TWO.

NOT ONLY DID THEY USE A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY, THEY USED DIFFERENT DATA, THE WAY THEY EVALUATED THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM WAS DIFFERENT. THE WAY THAT THEY EVALUATED THE REPLACEMENT COST IS DIFFERENT. I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT

APPROACH TO THE STUDY. >> I APPRECIATE IT, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION EXACTLY LIKE I KNEW IT WAS, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A TIME. PREVIOUSLY WORKING THROUGH DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES AND TRYING TO MAKE SENSE LIKE IT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN LINE APPLES TO APPLES THERE'S AN ORANGE AND A KIWI AND A PINEAPPLE AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY CANNOT UNFORTUNATELY. THAT'S WHY I WENT WITH OPTION A DURING THE FIRST VOTE BEFORE WE GOT TO THE SECOND.

IF WE WERE LOOKING TO ORANGES TO ORANGES THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE HIGHER TODAY, NOT LOWER. WOULDN'T YOU BASE THAT.

>> YES I WOULD. >> BECAUSE OF INFLATION IN

DIFFERENT THINGS. >> IT'S AN EXTREME AND COMPLEX VERY SUBJECTIVE ANALYSIS. THERE IS A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT THE ENGINEER THAT IS DOING THE STUDY CAN APPROACH THEM DIFFERENT LEE. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE WAY THAT FLORIDA WATER APPROACHES THEM WHICH IS ONLY ONE THAT I GET DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH, I AGREE WITH THE WAY THEY APPROACHED IT. IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS BETWEEN THEM AND OUR STAFF, THESE WERE NOT THE FIRST NUMBERS THAT CAME BACK, INITIALLY WE CAME BACK AND FORTH, THE NUMBERS CME BACK HIGHER, OPTION B WAS HIGHER, WE GO TO DRILL DOWN AND FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT DATA MIGHT'VE BEEN OFF AND GIVE THE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION. AT THE END OF THE DAY I THINK WE

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>> IF THE OPTION A WAS ALSO YOUR FIRST NUMBER THAT CAME BACK, DID

IT COME BACK HI. >> I THINK IT WAS.

THEY WERE BOTH HIGHER. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY THE NUMBERS WERE NOT WHAT I EXPECTED EITHER BUT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AN OBJECTIVE AND IMPARTIAL ANALYSIS.

AND NOT TRY TO JUSTIFY A CERTAIN NUMBER.

SO THAT IS THE WAY THIS WAS APPROACHED WE WIPED THE SLATE CLEAN AND STARTED OVER WITH NEW DATA.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE ARRIVED AT AS AN IMPARTIAL ANALYSIS FOR

OUR SYSTEM. >> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK, YOU ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB AND I THINK YOUR DEPARTMENT IS SUPERIOR. I HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH OTHER STUFF THAT THEY HAVE NEVER COME UP AND THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN

GREAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU.

I SAW AN COMMISSIONER ROSS' REPORT THIS WILL COST EVERY

RATEPAYER $54 A YEAR ADDITIONAL. >> COMMISSIONER YOU DID NOT SAY

THAT. >> IF I DID I APOLOGIZE THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

WHAT I SAID THE MILLION DOLLARS IS THE MONEY THAT WERE GETTING NEED TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY SOMEWHERE.

EITHER THE NEW RATEPAYERS ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE WHERE THE CURRENT RATEPAYERS ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH.

THE NEW RATEPAYERS COME UP WITH IT THE NUMBER IS THERE.

IF THE CURRENT RATEPAYERS COME UP WITH A, AB IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT IF YOU USE THE NUMBER 120, THAT NUMBERS GOING TO GO UP, THAT IS IN THE FUTURE THE CURRENT RATEPAYER WILL HAVE TO MAKE UP THAT NUMBER. IN OTHER WORDS WE ARE NOT CHARGING THEM, WERE NOT GIVING AWAY WERE NOT COLLECTING $1 MILLION WORTH 950,000 MORE OR LESS REVENUE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE MONEY. WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO REDO THE SYSTEM. WE KNOW A LOT OF THE WEIGHT STATIONS ARE 45 YEARS OLD AND AT THE END OF THE USEFUL LIFE, CORRECT AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO START.

THE MILLION DOLLARS I SAID IF THE NEW RATEPAYERS ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT, THE OLD RATEPAYER AIR GOING TO PAY FOR THATCHED JUST AN ESTIMATE THEY'RE NOT TO WRITE A CHECK FOR $54, I GET THAT. I AM SAYING SOMEBODY IS GOING TO PAY FOR AND IS GOING TO BE THE CURRENT RATE USERS AND THAT THE MAGNITUDE OF $54 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE LESS OR MORE BUT IT'S IN THE BALLPARK, THE CURRENT RATEPAYERS ARE SUBSIDIZING THE CAPACITY FOR THE NEW RATEPAYERS IN THE NEW RATEPAYERS ARE NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE.

I THINK IT IS COME BACK TO THE EX PARTE OPINION OF THE CONSULTANT WE HIRED AND OUR OWN STAFF THAT THE MORE FAIR FOR THE RATEPAYERS TO PAY AN INCREASE COST WHICH I WILL POINT OUT WHICH IS LESS MONEY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MONEY THAN THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS UTILITY THAT'S WHY I USE THE NUMBER 20000 AND DID WE PAY THEM 10000 IS NOT QUITE APPLES TO APPLES AS WE LIKE TO SAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE HOOKUP FEES BUT IT'S STILL ABOUT $5000 LESS FOR THE CITY TO PRODUCES EVEN WITH THE NEW CAPACITY FEE.

>> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I FEEL LIKE I MADE MY POINT CLEAR THIS LAST MEETING AND WHAT VICE MAYOR STURGES SAID WE APPRECIATED. WITH NO FURTHER COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION WE WILL CALL THE VOTE.

>> NO MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION

THAT WE ADOPT BE. >> SECOND.

>> NOW WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND ON THE TABLE, CITY CLERK CALLED THE VOTE. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WERE VOTING ON, NOT WHAT WE VOTED ON LAST TIME.

COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS A MOTION FOR B.

IF YOU LIKED A YOU WOULD KNOW VOTE THIS.

>> GO AHEAD. >> EDITION OF RAW.

>> A. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ASCII.

>> NO SPIVAK VICE MAYOR STURGES NO.

>> MAYOR BEAN. >> NO.

>> THAT MOTION FAILS DOING HERE ANOTHER MOTION.

>> MOVED TO PROVE. >> I HEAR A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO APPROVE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE AS TO WHY WITH NO EX PARTE OPINION THAT HAS GENERATED FROM ANY EX PARTE, WHAT IS THE SUBSTANTIAL RELIABLE EVIDENCE THAT YOU'RE RELYING UPON TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS, THERE IS NO EX PARTE THAT SAYS THIS IS THE WAY WE SHOULD GO AND STAFF DOES NOT SAY TO GO, ALL OF YOU HAVE GIVEN THE ACCOLADES, HE DESERVES THEM. WERE NOT FOLLOWING WHAT THEY

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THE EX PARTE AND NOT FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND WHAT EX PARTE ARE THEY RELIED UPON TO COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. I GUESS YOU HAVE AN EX PARTE, I'M NOT AN EX PARTE SO I RELYING ON EX PARTE OPINION.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR EX PARTE OPINION IS THAT YOU ARE BASING THIS IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR OUR RATEPAYERS AND IN THE PRINTING TO KEEP OUR SYSTEM VIABLE.

WHAT WE DO YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, WE UNDERFUND MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR THE SYSTEMS. HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY YOU BELIEVE WHAT EX PARTE YOU RELYING UPON AND WHAT IS THE BASIS OF YOUR OPINION I THINK THAT IS A FAIR QUESTION TO ANSWER THE TAXPAYERS IN THE

RATEPAYERS. >> THINK I'M NOT A BONSAI JUDICIAL EVENT SO WE DO NOT PROVIDE, IT DOES NOT RELY ON COMPETENCE OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE IN THIS CASE. SEE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE

CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ASCII.

>> YES. >> VICE MAYOR STURGES.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> NO. >> MAYOR BEAN.

>> YES. >> THAT PASSES 3 - 2.

>> I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT, NOW THAT THIS IS PASSED, THE ORDINANCE OPTION A IS BASED ON AN EX PARTE OPINION, BASED UPON, I'M NOT TRY TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE CAPACITY THAT ARE BASED ON A STUDY THAT IS RECENT AND BASED ON LOCALIZED DATA. SO THIS STUDY MEETS THE NEXUS TEST AND WERE GIVEN UNDER THAT STUDY IN JULY, TWO OPTIONS, THEY WERE BASED UPON DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE SYSTEM AND HOW YOU GO FORWARD AND HOW YOU PAY TO MAINTAIN IT AND REPLACE IT BUT IT IS BASED ON AN EX PARTE OPINION, FLORIDA RURAL WATER IN ITS MID ASSOCIATION OF WATER ASSOCIATION, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE HAVE A VALID STUDY THT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED VIA THIS ORDIE IN ITS OPTION A THAT WAS UNDER THE STUDY AS ONE METHOD.

[9. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

THAT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED TONIGHT. >> PERFECT, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. WE NOW GO ONE THE PUBLIC, FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA READ WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE REQUEST FOR MS. COMEY, COME ON

DOWN. >> WELCOME.

>> SHEILA COKIE 1553 INDIGO STREET.

FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME TO THE NEW CITY MANAGER.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR REMOVING THE PROPERTY AT ELM STREET.

WE SAT HERE AND WATCH THE CELEBRATION OF ADDING PEOPLE ONTO HER STORMWATER SYSTEM SO WE ARE CONSISTENTLY BRINGING PEOPLE IN AND BRINGING THEM IN. AND WE'RE BEARING THE BRUNT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE. SO WHEN WE ARE NOT, WE ARE ABOUT TO BRING ON A SOCCER FIELD WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT HALF OF THAT WILL BE PAID BY THE CITY AND HALF IS BY THE COUNTY BUT WE ALSO LIVE IN THE COUNTY TO SOBER PAIN THAT ABOUT OF MONEY. WHEN WE HAVE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MAINTAIN JUST LIKE HER STORMWATER WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FUND THIS SOME WAY.

I HAVE SEEN THIS DISCUSSION BOTH TIMES IT IS HAPPENED AND IS DISAPPOINTING THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT YOU LISTEN TO PLANNING WHEN THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU LISTEN TO CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS AND WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THINGS THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT, I ASSUME PEOPLE COME TO YOU FOR FIRE ADVICE, PEOPLE COME TO YOU, DOCTORS, BUILDING. IT SEEMS TO BENEFIT A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE OR COMPANIES IN OUR AREA THAT SOME OF THESE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE BUT NOT THE TAXPAYERS.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE.

I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'M NOT ALWAYS COMPLAINING I APPRECIATE YOUR VOTE ON THE LAND PROPERTIES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MRS. COKIE.

ANY FURTHER REQUEST TO SPEAK ON ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

[10. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

MANAGER REPORT. >> I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE MR. MAYOR, IT WAS A WONDERFUL LEARNING EXPERIENCE TONIGHT TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY ON VARIOUS ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

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[11. CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS]

FUTURE. >> THANK YOU MR. ROSS.

CITY ATTORNEY. >> NO REPORTS, I WANT TO WELCOME MR. TY ROSS. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> IT IS CONFUSING THERE ARE TWO ROSS'S.

>> DID YOU SAY MS. >> I'VE BEEN CALLED A LOT OF THINGS IN MY LIFE BUT THIS WAS NEVER ONE.

>> MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'M WEARING A PINK SHIRT.

>> IT LOOKS NICE. >> WOULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH OPEN.

>> I HAD A CONVERSATION THAT WAS BRIEF WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR OPERA AND THE REPORT ON WHERE WE STAND WITH THE LAST SETTLEMENT OFFER AND HE INDICATED TO ME THAT THE BOARD WAS DISCUSSING A COUNTER OFFER HE DOES UNDERSTAND THAT WE STATED THAT THIS WAS OUR FINAL LAST OFFER. IF WE RECEIVE A COUNTER OFFER THEN I DO HAVE TO BRING THEM TO YOU AND WILL MOST LIKELY DO THAT AT A SHADE MEETING. I DON'T HAVE THAT SO I'M NOT GOING TO ANNOUNCE, FOR EXAMPLE A FIVE SOMETHING BACK BY OCTOBER 25 WHEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING WHICH IS A JOINT

MEETING THEN I ANNEXED THAT. >> IS A TRIAL DATE BEEN SET.

>> NOT EXACTLY WERE STILL BOUNCING AROUND DATES.

[12. CITY CLERK REPORTS]

>> THANK YOU CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK.

>> IF YOU WILL MARK YOUR CALENDARS FOR JOINT SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD ON OCTOBER 25.

THEY HAVE OFFERED 5:00 P.M. AS A MEETING DATE, KNOWING THAT SOME

[13. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

OR WOULD 530 BE BETTER. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT IS OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION IN TOWN AND I BELIEVE THAT IS AT THREE AND I'M SURE WILL BE FIRST UPON THE DOCKET BUT I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT WE DO HAVE THAT SCHEDULING CONFLICT JUST IN CASE THERE WAS TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING.

I AM FINE WITH 5:00 O'CLOCK, I THINK WE WILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE DELEGATION. NORMALLY MR. JACOBS GETS US UP AND OUT THAT I WANT TO MENTION WE DO HAVE THE DELEGATION.

>> LAST YEAR WE WERE DONE BY 4:00 P.M. WHICH WAS OUR PORTION

P COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> 6:00 O'CLOCK WOULD PROBABLY BE THE EARLIEST TIME I'M AVAILABLE IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS OKAY WAITING FOR ME TO GET OFF WORK.

>> I DO THINK WE SHOULD WAIT FOR COMMISSIONER ANTUN TO GET OFF

WORK. >> WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR 6:00 P.M.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS. >> 6:00 P.M. IS PERFECT.

>> I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THIS GENTLEMAN STANDING IN THE DOORWAY. I HAVE KNOWN HIM AND HE'S BEEN IN OUR FAMILY FOR DECADES AND DECADES HE'S WONDERFUL AND RETIRED UNITED STATES POSTAL WORKER AND IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU HERE THIS EVENING SIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER

COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> THANK YOU I THINK I SAID ENOUGH BUT ONE THING WELCOME ABOARD TO THE NEW CITY MANAGER.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>> I WILL ECHO THAT WELCOME ABOARD MR. ROSS.

I WANT TO SAY DESPITE YOU TRYING TO REMAIN INCOGNITO, HOLDING UP THE CROWD THERE, THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR OF THE AIRPORT MR. CARVER, WE APPRECIATE TALKING ABOUT PLANS AND THINGS THAT HE HAS HAD IN MIND THIS YEAR.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO HALLOWEEN. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER P

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >> WELCOME TODD, THAT'S ALL I

HAVE MAYOR. >> VICE MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO SAY BRIEFLY, I BROUGHT SOME TOYS IN THIS EVENING.

SUPPORT OUR LOCAL -- THEY HAVE AWESOME TOYS FOR KIDS YOU SHOULD GO SUPPORT THEM, THEY ARE COOL. WHO DOES NOT WANT A GUMBY.

SERIOUSLY, THAT IS AWESOME. THEY HAVE A LITTLE ROBOT, KIDS PLAY WITH THEM, THEY CAN STRETCH INTO THEM, PLEASE SUPPORT OUR BUSINESSES. I WENT OUT BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND GOT A COUPLE OF TOYS I'M SURE MY KIDS WILL LOVE IT.

SECONDLY, EVERYBODY LOOKS AWESOME AND I APPRECIATE YOU

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ALSO THE BACK IT'S VERY AWESOME IT HAS PINK.

IT'S VERY SUPPORTIVE OF ALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

>> THANK YOU, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.

>> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. I WOULD GIVE CONDOLENCES TO THE LONG FAMILY. MR. BERNARD LONG PASSED AWAY AND I'M GOING TO READ THIS TO MAKE SURE I DO NOT MISS IT, HE AND HIS WIFE MOVED TO FERNANDINA IN 1973 AND OPERATED A VERY SUCCESSFUL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WHICH WAS RENOWNED FOR THE HISTORIC RENOVATION AND RESTORATION PRICES THAT DID NOT PLEASE HIS CLIENTS, HE IS KIND AND COMPASSIONATE AND MISSED BY ALL WHO HAD THE PLEASURE OF KNOWING HIM.

REST IN PEACE MR. LONG. IF YOU CAN.

I WOULD GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT FOR HOW GREAT THE CITY HALL LOOKS, THE STUCCO LOOKS BRAND-NEW.

IT ALL LOOKS LIKE A BRAND-NEW BUILDING, I WON'T GO THAT FAR BUT IT LOOKS VERY GOOD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER ANTOINE THANK YOU FOR ISLAND HOP FOR HAVING ME FOR THE THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR AS YOUR MC IT'S A GREAT TIME AND HELP MAIN STREET IN THAT WAY AND IT WAS A GREAT TIME. IF YOU DID NOT GO TO IT THIS YEAR, YEAR FOUR IS COMING UP REAL SOON GET YOUR TICKETS EARLY IT IS SOLD OUT IN LITTLE SOLID AGAIN MOST LIKELY.

THE HISPANIC FOOD FESTIVAL WENT SO WELL SATURDAY AND THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT TIME. THANK YOU TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED AND WALLY WHO MADE THE HABITED EVERYBODY ESTIMATED A GREAT DAY. WELCOME TO A CITY MANAGER, TY ROSS IT'S SO GREAT TO HAVE HIM HERE.

DAY ONE WENT WELL, WE HOPE HE SHOWS UP FOR THE THIRD DAY.

THE THIRD DAY IS THE CHARM. WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

I HAVE TO SAY ONE MORE TIME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO MR. GEORGE FOR STEPPING IN AS WELL IS OUR CHIEF FOXWORTH FOR STEPPING IN. WE HAD SOME GREAT PEOPLE GET US TO THAT TIME AND I'M EXCITED MRG FORWARD TO THAT.

WITH THAT WE WILL SEE EVERYBODY I'M SURE EVERYBODY IS COMING TO THE SPECIAL MEETING ON THE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.