Oct 11, 2023 Golf Course Advisory Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING OF OCTOBER 11TH, 2023, 9 A.M.

AT THE CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS.

THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER ITEM TWO.

ROLL CALL. PAM, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? AWESOME. CAN WE STAND NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

ITEM FOUR.

WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

I HAVE TWO SHEETS.

OKAY, I'LL LET THE PUBLIC COMMENT OCCUR DURING THE PARTICULAR ITEM.

THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON.

IF I FORGET THAT, PLEASE REMIND ME.

ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WHO HASN'T PUT A SHEET UP YET? ITEM FIVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

NONE PROVIDED PRIOR TO AGENDA PUBLICATION.

THAT IS TRUE. I THINK WE'RE BEHIND ON THE MINUTES.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY MINUTES WE'RE OVERDUE? I HAVE GOT AFTER THE AGENDA WAS DISTRIBUTED.

I THINK ALL THE OUTSTANDING MINUTES, GIVEN THAT WE'VE HAD A FEW LESS MEETINGS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT EASIER.

OKAY. BUT I'VE GOT TWO AND I THINK I ASKED CAROLINE IF THERE WERE.

I'M ASSUMING CAROLINE IS THE KEEPER OF THE OF THE MINUTES.

I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE AT SOME POINT, PAM, CAROLINE, AND THE GENTLEMAN FROM PARKS AND REC WHOSE NAME ESCAPES ME.

SCOTT WAS ASKING FOR THOSE, AND I SENT STUFF OUT AND I ASKED CAROLINE JUST TO CONFIRM THAT WITH THE TWO I SENT HER.

SHE'S GOT ALL THE MINUTES, SO I'LL WAIT TO HEAR BACK FROM HER.

WELL IF YOU NEED HELP.

NO. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WILLING TO DO ONE OF THE MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE TAPE AND COME UP WITH SOME MINUTES.

IT'S A FASCINATING PROCESS JOHN, AND ONE THAT I THOROUGHLY ENJOY.

SO I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO DO IT.

I'M NOT VERY SKILLED IN THE THE COMPUTER.

OKAY, GREAT. WE'LL MOVE ON FROM TO ITEM 6.

[6.1 MEMBER INTRODUCTION - Charles N. Corbett]

I'LL MAKE A BRIEF INTRO AND THEN HE CAN SPEAK.

I'VE KNOWN CHARLIE FOR OVER TEN YEARS, I BELIEVE, AND I COME ACROSS HIM NOW AND THEN.

AND I MENTIONED THAT WE HAD TROUBLE FILLING A SLOT ON THE BOARD THAT HAD GONE EMPTY FOR A FEW MONTHS, AND HE STEPPED UP AND DECIDED THAT HE WAS WILLING TO DEVOTE THE TIME AND ENERGY TO TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE GOLF ADVISORY BOARD AND THE GOLF COURSE.

WITH THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? WELL, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY BECAUSE WE WANT TO KEEP THIS MEETING SHORT, RIGHT? SO ANYWAY, I'M FROM FERNANDINA BEEN HERE QUITE A WHILE.

I KNOW A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE GOLF COURSE.

I'VE PLAYED DOWN THERE MANY TIMES.

I DON'T PLAY NOW, FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE I GOT A BAD BACK.

BUT ANYWAY, I THOUGHT I COULD ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING.

I WAS A COMMISSIONER 2012, 13 AND 14, SO I KIND OF KNOW HOW IT WORKS DOWN HERE.

SO ANYWAY, WE'LL GO FROM THERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WELL WELCOME ABOARD. WELCOME, WELCOME.

ITEM 6.2 RESOLUTION 2017-82.

[6.2 RESOLUTION 2017-82 - Review Golf Course Advisory Board enabling legislation; role, powers, duties, and meeting frequency.]

I BELIEVE EVERYONE THAT'S GONE ON THE BOARD HAS GOT A COPY OF THAT AND IS WELL FAMILIAR WITH IT.

WHAT PROMPTED THIS IN THE AGENDA WAS ACTUALLY WHEN MR. DEMAY CANCELED THE PREVIOUS MONTH'S MEETING, AND I DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS THE PROPER THING TO DO, SO I INVESTIGATED IT, AND I STILL DON'T THINK IT WAS THE PROPER THING TO DO.

BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR MR. DEMAY'S TAKE ON IT.

AND AND MAYBE WE CAN JUST RESOLVE THIS SIMPLY, OR WHETHER IT GETS EXTENDED OUT SOMEHOW.

WELL, CAN I JUST INTERRUPT WITH ONE QUESTION?

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THERE WEREN'T ANY SUBSEQUENT AMENDMENTS OR NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

NEVER. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS SET OUT IN THE OPEN.

WHY WAS THE MEETING CANCELED? YEAH. SO DAVE DEMAY, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH GOLF CLUB.

I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THIS, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THIS RESOLUTION, BECAUSE I THINK THE DIRECTION OF THESE MEETINGS HAVE GOTTEN OFF TRACK.

I THINK AFTER READING THE RESOLUTION AND REALLY DIGGING DEEP AND LOOKING AT THE KEY POINTS.

I FEEL LIKE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS A BOARD OPERATIONALLY.

AND RIGHT NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION, YOU KNOW, I CAN JUST READ A COUPLE OF THE KEY POINTS.

THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD WILL SERVE AS AN ADVISORY CAPACITY ONLY, WITH NO AUTHORITY OR CONTROL OVER THE GENERAL MANAGER MAKING [INAUDIBLE] THEIR SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION THROUGH THE GENERAL MANAGER.

SO THIS ADVISORY BOARD IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, BIGGER ISSUES, BIGGER CHALLENGES, THINGS AT THE GOLF COURSE TO THE COMMISSION.

THEY'RE NOT TO ADVISE ME ON OPERATIONAL ISSUES.

THE COMMISSION IS FULLY BEHIND ME.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE.

THEY'VE THEY'VE GOTTEN ME EVERYTHING I'VE NEEDED FOR FOR THE GOLF CLUB, EVERYTHING I'VE ASKED FOR THEY'VE SUPPORTED ME.

AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS BEHIND WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE GOLF CLUB.

WE'RE MOVING IN A GREAT DIRECTION, VERY POSITIVE DIRECTION WITH, YOU KNOW, COURSE CONDITIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

SO WHEN THERE ISN'T AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT IS COMMISSIONABLE, MEANING THE BOARD HAS A DISCUSSION FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION, THEN I DON'T FIND A REASON TO HAVE A MEETING.

IF THERE'S AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE UNHAPPY WITH OPERATIONALLY THAT'S HAPPENING INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A MEMBER OF THE CLUB OR AS A PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC, THEY CAN COME SEE ME AND TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALLY, WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS.

BUT THIS RESOLUTION SPEAKS TO THIS BOARD.

IF YOU WANT INFORMATION, NOT TO JUMP AHEAD.

BUT REGARDING TOPTRACER OR SOMETHING TO DISCUSS, THEN SOMEONE SHOULD COME TO ME AHEAD OF TIME, GET ALL THE INFORMATION, THEN THIS BOARD CAN DISCUSS IT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS THIS, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT OPERATIONS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT'S GOING ON.

AND ME REPORTING TO YOU IS NOT HOW THIS IS DESIGNED BY WHAT THIS SAYS, EVEN IF IT'S A STAFFING ISSUE OR EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDER SECTION 6 WHERE IT SAYS POWERS AND DUTIES, THAT STILL IS SOMETHING WE WOULD TAKE TO THE COMMISSION.

SO IF YOU THINK YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING WITH STAFFING OR SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THAT, YOU CAN COME TO ME, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. IF I FEEL WE ALL FEEL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN, THEN THIS BOARD CAN THEN DECIDE AS A BOARD TO EITHER TAKE A VOTE OR TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS WHATEVER THE THE ITEM IS.

SO I THINK IT'S GOTTEN WAY OFF TRACK WITH ME REPORTING TO YOU ON DAILY OPERATIONAL THINGS, OR WHEN REALLY, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S REALLY DESIGNED.

I HAVE I HAVE LEADERS AND BOSSES IN THE CITY THAT I REPORT TO.

WELL, I DON'T SEE YOU AS REPORTING TO US AS MUCH AS REPORTING ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE.

IT'S NOT LIKE LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE NOT YOUR SUPERIOR OR ANYTHING, BUT WE ARE OUT THERE AS.

I THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SEEK AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE AND HOW WELL IT'S DOING AND WHAT IT'S DOING.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T REPORT TO US, BUT WE NEED INFORMATION.

AND SOME OF THAT INFORMATION WAS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN IN THE PAST THAT THESE STUFF LIKE NUMBER OF ROUNDS PLAYED.

AND, I MEAN, I HAVE A HUGE CURIOSITY NOW OVER A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING.

BECAUSE WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR FEEDBACK OR CHANGES, WE KIND OF NEED THAT.

LIKE JUST AN EXAMPLE OF YOU CHANGED THE GREENS FEES AND HOW IT'S USEFUL INFORMATION MAYBE TO KNOW LIKE IF, IF AN INCREASE WAS TOO HIGH AND YOU SAY YOU SELL VERY FEW ROUNDS OVER $50 AS AN EXAMPLE OR HIGHER, AND THAT TO ME

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YEAH. AND TO YOUR POINT, IF YOU WANT THAT INFORMATION, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT ROUNDS, EVERYTHING'S PUBLIC RECORD.

SO YOU CAN COME TO ME IN MY OFFICE AND I CAN GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION.

BUT THIS BOARD IS NOT TO GATHER INFORMATION.

THIS BOARD IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION ON ITEMS. SO IF THERE IS A FEE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE, YOU AND I CAN DISCUSS IT.

HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BRING UP.

THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE FEES.

SO THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT.

AFTER LOOKING AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS OR THE FEES OR THE FINANCIALS, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME.

YOU CAN BRING IT HERE.

WE CAN DISCUSS. AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION.

BUT US TALKING ABOUT IT HERE, WHERE I'M BLINDSIDED OR I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION OR ALL THE NUMBERS WITH ME, OR THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW THIS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE A WORKING TOGETHER TO OBVIOUSLY IMPROVE THINGS.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IS YOU ALL FEEL NEEDS TO CHANGE OR SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE, WE GET THE INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME, YOU BRING IT TO ME, WE DECIDE IF IT SHOULD GO ON THE AGENDA.

IF IT DOES, THEN YOU CAN TALK AMONGST THE BOARD AND THEN WE MAKE A DECISION TO PRESENT IT TO THE COMMISSION.

BUT INFORMATION CAN BE YOU CAN COME TO MY OFFICE AND GET INFORMATION.

YOU CAN SET UP A MEETING WITH ME OR COME TO MY OFFICE.

I'M THERE OFTEN.

SO THAT'S HOW I'M SEEING IT.

AND IT'S REALLY HAS GOTTEN OFF TRACK EVEN WHEN I FIRST STARTED, YOU KNOW, ME GIVING ALL THIS INFORMATION, IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE GETTING A LOT OF INFORMATION.

YOU KNOW, THE OPERATIONAL INFORMATION THROUGH THE NEWSLETTERS AND ALL THE EMAILS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE PROVIDE.

SO THIS MEETING SHOULD BE MORE ON WHAT I JUST EXPLAINED.

AND THAT'S WHY I CANCELED THE OTHER MEETING, BECAUSE THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN SUPER SUPPORTIVE.

I DON'T REALLY NEED ANYTHING RIGHT NOW FROM THEM.

THEY'VE GIVEN ME EVERYTHING I'VE NEEDED FOR RIGHT NOW, JUST STARTING THE FISCAL YEAR TO MOVE FORWARD.

NOW, SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD WE MIGHT NEED SOMETHING, OR THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THEM.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON A GOOD TRACK.

ALL I GET IS PRAISES ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE, THE DIRECTION ALL OF YOU HAVE TOLD ME THAT HOW HAPPY YOU ARE WITH THE DIRECTION, EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING OR WANT SOMETHING CHANGED OR YOU DON'T SEE THAT I'M DOING SOMETHING CORRECTLY, THEN YOU CAN COME TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.

OR YOU CAN GO TO THE COMMISSION DIRECTLY YOURSELF.

SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M SEEING THESE MEETINGS.

IT SHOULD BE COLLABORATIVE ON THINGS TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION.

AND THAT'S HOW THIS RESOLUTION READS.

I GOT A QUESTION. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE FACT THAT THE ONLY TIME THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THE GOLF COURSE IS AT THIS MEETING, LIKE THIS.

AND IF YOU CANCEL IT, WE CAN'T COME IN AND DISCUSS DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WE MAY ALL OF US MAY GO TO YOU AND ASK YOU FOR INFORMATION, BUT I CAN'T DISCUSS IT WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WITHOUT BREAKING THE SUNSHINE LAW.

SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS MONTHLY, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE ANYTHING PARTICULAR ON THE AGENDA.

BUT WE NEED TO COME IN AND DISCUSS IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A QUESTION ABOUT SOME OF YOUR INFORMATION.

THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN DISCUSS IT WITH ME IS HERE AT THIS, AT THIS MEETING.

SURE. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY POINT ON WHY WE NEED TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS.

NOT SO MUCH IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR PART, IF THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ON THE AGENDA.

BUT WE WE STILL NEED TO COME IN AND SO WE CAN DISCUSS THINGS THAT MAYBE AREN'T ON THE AGENDA.

SO A RUMOR, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY FOUND SOMETHING AND WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S THE TRUTH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE REASON TO HAVE A MEETING EVERY MONTH, NOT QUARTERLY OR EVERY OTHER MONTH OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN DISCUSS THIS STUFF IS HERE BETWEEN US.

I CAN COME TO YOU AND ASK YOU FOR SOME INFORMATION, BUT I CAN'T CONVEY IT TO ANY OF THESE OTHER PEOPLE.

AND IF THEY ARE GONE OR DON'T, DON'T GET THE INFORMATION.

I MEAN, I SUPPOSE YOU COULD PUT I DON'T YOU PUT OUT A NEW REGULARLY NEWS WEEKLY BULLETIN.

YOU COULD PROBABLY GET IT FROM THERE.

BUT STILL WE CAN'T DISCUSS ANYTHING WITHOUT THAT.

SO THAT'S MY POINT ON WHY WE WE NEED TO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

SURE. YEAH. AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, A RUMOR, WELL, I'M GOING TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE RUMOR.

I'M GOING TO HAVE THE ANSWER FOR YOU.

SO IF YOU COME TO ME, THERE WON'T BE A NEED TO DISCUSS IT HERE.

THERE WILL BE. IF YOU COME TO ME, I'LL HAVE THE ANSWER, OR I'LL FIND THE ANSWER FOR YOU.

IF IT'S AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE OR A RUMOR ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENING SO.

BUT IF ONE OF THE PEOPLE DOESN'T GET THAT AND COME TO YOU, THERE'S NO WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW UNLESS WE HAVE A MEETING HERE.

AND ASK CAROLINE, THAT'S THE SUNSHINE LAW, UNFORTUNATELY.

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SURE. MR. DEMAY, GOOD MORNING, CAROLINE BEST, CITY CLERK, IT'S A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU ALL JUST IN YOUR IN YOUR POINT, VICE MAYOR CORBETT, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT AND MR. DEMAY RESEARCHES THAT MATTER, HE CAN EMAIL THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD AS A WHOLE AND DO NOT REPLY TO ALL AND SAY, MEMBER CORBETT, YOUR RECENT INQUIRY, HERE'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR RECENT INQUIRY, SO THAT ALL OF THE MEMBERSHIP HAS THE BENEFIT OF THE ANSWER.

WE DO THAT FREQUENTLY WITH THE CITY COMMISSION.

HE CAN GO THROUGH YOU IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.

NO, NO, NO, HE CAN. HE CAN DO THAT HIMSELF.

HE CAN FIND THE INFORMATION.

NO. BUT HE WOULD GO THROUGH YOU, GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION, YOU WOULD GIVE IT TO US.

CORRECT. OR DOES HE GIVE IT STRAIGHT TO US? NO. HE CAN GIVE IT STRAIGHT TO YOU.

HE CAN. HE CAN EMAIL YOU ALL INFORMATION.

THAT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE LAW.

THE VIOLATION OCCURS WHEN YOU AMONGST YOURSELVES START COMMUNICATING ELECTRONICALLY VIA EMAIL, TEXT MESSAGING OR ANY OTHER.

AND WHY IS THAT, CAROLINE? BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET TOGETHER.

WELL, THE VIOLATION.

OUR MEETINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE OPEN.

YES. AND THEY ARE.

OKAY. SO WHEN THE RESOLUTION SAYS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD SHALL REVIEW WITH THE GOLF COURSE AND HAS THESE POWERS OF DUTY, POWERS AND DUTIES, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY BOARD.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE ADVISORY BOARD AS A BODY? THAT'S CORRECT. SO I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING.

I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION AND WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT THE ROLE IN SECTION FIVE, IT SAYS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD, AND IT'S AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD SHALL REVIEW ACTIVITIES OF THE GOLF COURSE WITH THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TO ASSURE THE BEST POSSIBLE MANAGEMENT.

SO IT DOESN'T SAY MEMBERS SHALL REVIEW WITH THE GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT TEAM.

IT SAYS THE ADVISORY BOARD.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OKAY, WELL THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

I WAS RESPONDING TO VICE MAYOR CORBETT'S QUESTION REGARDING POSSIBLE ROOM.

YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD ANSWER THAT. I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS. I'LL WAIT THEN.

SO SO I WAS JUST EXPLAINING THAT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH, REGARDING, YES, YOU YOU SERVE COLLECTIVELY.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE IF THERE IS A MATTER THAT THIS BODY WANTS TO DISCUSS AT THE COMMISSION OR PROMOTE IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE MAJORITY OF YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT.

SO YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THREE OF YOU THAT WOULD WANT TO DO.

WOULD WANT TO DO. WELL. I'M SORRY.

WELL, WHATEVER. WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WANT TO BRING FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION, RIGHT.

SO THE ONLY WAY WE COULD MAKE A DECISION ON THAT WOULD BE TO BE PRESENT AT THIS MEETING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IN THE RESOLUTION, JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING, IT SAYS WE HAVE TO MEET MONTHLY WITH THE GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT TEAM AND WE HAVE TO MEET AS A BOARD MONTHLY.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE.

AND MAYBE MR. DEMAY WANTS TO PROPOSE SOME CHANGES TO THESE RESOLUTIONS, WHICH IS WHAT I'M REALLY HEARING.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS, I HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN DOCUMENTS GET ENACTED OR AGREED TO, THEY TEND TO GET IGNORED AFTER A WHILE AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM AND JUST TEND TO IGNORE THEM.

AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT.

BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT TEAM IS NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT ATTENDING MEETINGS AND NOT HAVING SMOKE BLOWN AND, YOU KNOW, BEING TOLD HOW WONDERFUL THINGS ARE AND HAVING PROBING QUESTIONS BE MADE ABOUT SPECIFIC ACTIVITIES THAT THIS BOARD IS CHARGED WITH DOING.

IS IT A POSSIBILITY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS THAT ARE RUN, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE MANAGEMENT TEAM HERE, AND WE CAN DECREASE THE FREQUENCY OF THOSE MEETINGS, AND WE CAN RAISE QUESTIONS AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS HERE.

BUT THAT'S THAT WOULD THAT'S THAT'S NOT IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD WAS ESTABLISHED FOR.

WELL, I'M READING WHAT'S THE SPIRIT COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.

IS TO COLLABORATE, FIND INITIATIVES THAT WILL PROMOTE THE GOLF COURSE, INCREASE REVENUE AT THE GOLF COURSE.

AND YOU'RE READING THAT BY VIRTUE OF THESE, IS THAT IN THE IS THAT IN THE INTRODUCTORY CLAUSES SOMEWHERE, IN THE SPIRIT OF OF OF ENABLING LEGISLATION OF NOT JUST THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD, BUT ALL OF THE CITY'S ADVISORY BOARDS, THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION, THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD, THE PEG CHANNEL COMMITTEE.

SO THE SPIRIT OF OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS TO HAVE COLLABORATION AMONG, YOU KNOW, THE VOLUNTEERS THAT WE APPRECIATE GREATLY.

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SO WE'RE OKAY. WE APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL ARE HERE AND THAT YOU'RE GIVING US YOUR TIME AND YOUR TALENTS AND AND YOUR PERSPECTIVES, RIGHT? AS AS A BOARD, NOT AS INDIVIDUALS.

RIGHT? YES. SO HOW DO WE COLLABORATE THEN, IF WE DON'T MEET? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU DON'T MEET.

I'M NOT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT AT ALL.

SO WE'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH REVIEWING THESE THINGS AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN COLLABORATION WITH THE GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT.

BUT THE GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT IS SAYING, YOU CAN MEET WITH ME INDIVIDUALLY AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THESE THINGS.

THEY'RE ALL PUBLIC RECORDS.

WHAT MR. DEMAY IS TRYING TO CONVEY IS, IS, IS THAT SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT THAT ARE COMING TO HIM, AREN'T THEY DON'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF HAVING A MEETING, I THINK IS WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SAY AND IN A PROFESSIONAL WAY, AND NOT TO NOT TO OFFEND ANYONE, BUT SOME, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYTHING RISES TO MEETING TO CONDUCT A MEETING.

OKAY. SO WHEN IT SAYS WE SHALL REVIEW THE ACTIVITIES OF THE GOLF COURSE WITH THE MANAGEMENT.

AND HOW DO WE REVIEW THE ACTIVITIES IF WE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ACTIVITIES? NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU DON'T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ACTIVITIES, BUT SOME NOT ALL ACTIVITIES REQUIRE A MEETING.

SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AN ACTIVITY, SAY IT'S ABOUT SAY ABOUT THE ABOUT THE RATES BEING SET.

OKAY. SO THAT THAT WOULD BE A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION.

DID WE HAVE THAT COLLABORATION? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DID OR NOT.

YEAH WE DID. THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO PRESENT THE FEES AND RATES TO YOU FOR YOUR COLLABORATION AND YOUR APPROVAL.

AND WHEN DID WE GET THOSE FINAL RATES? WHEN DID WE GET THOSE RATES PRESENTED? THOSE RATES WERE SET.

BUT WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.

OKAY. I WAS I PROBABLY WASN'T AT THAT MEETING.

MY APOLOGIES. YEAH, I PROBABLY ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS OF SEPTEMBER.

SO MY GAPOLOGIES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE RIGHT AT ONE OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE THE COMMISSION ASKS THAT THE GOLF ADVISORY REVIEWS THE RATES AND GIVES THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE RATES BEFORE THEY'RE APPROVED.

OKAY. SO WITH THE PROPOSAL GOING FORWARD, ONE CONSIDERATION, BE THAT INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS, SINCE WE CAN'T COMMUNICATE COLLECTIVELY EXCEPT AT THESE MEETINGS, I MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU GUYS SAYING IS WE ONLY NEED TO HAVE A MEETING IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING, WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE WHO DECIDES IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MEETING? SHOULD IT NOT BE US JUST TO DECIDE WHETHER WE NEED A MEETING OR NOT.

OR IS THAT CITY WE'RE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

RIGHT, CAROLYN? YES, SIR.

OKAY. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, ONLY THE CITY COMMISSION, EITHER THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER OR THROUGH THEY CAN CANCEL A MEETING.

WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT HE CAN CANCEL THE MEETING? IS THAT WRITTEN ANYWHERE, OR IS THAT JUST ONE OF THESE CITY RULES THAT WE JUST ADOPTED, OR IS THAT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE RESOLUTIONS? THAT'S THAT'S MURKY.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANY.

WELL, I DON'T CAROLYN, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

I READ IT AND IT SAYS THEY SHALL MEET MONTHLY.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AFTER THAT SAYS EXCEPT.

ALL RIGHT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.

RECENTLY, I CANCELED A CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP BECAUSE THERE WERE NO OR NO ITEMS FOR UP FOR DISCUSSION.

AND THE CITY COMMISSION ACCEPTED THAT, THAT I'M A PROFESSIONAL AND THAT I'M AWARE OF OF COLLECTIVELY WHAT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OR NOT DISCUSS.

AND NOBODY BROUGHT FORTH ANY, ANY MATTERS THAT WERE THAT WERE WORTHY TO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF BEING DISCUSSED COLLECTIVELY.

SO SO I CANCELED THE MEETING.

WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY.

I DON'T HAVE ANY WRITTEN AUTHORITY TO DO THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, YOU KNOW, BEING ON THE JOB.

AND WE MAKE THOSE PROFESSIONAL DECISIONS FROM TIME TO TIME.

HAVE ANY OTHER ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS THAT ARE SET TO OCCUR ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND CANCELED? THE MARINE ADVISORY BOARD HAS HAD A COUPLE OF CANCELLATIONS, MOST RECENTLY DUE TO LACK OF A QUORUM.

WELL, I GET THAT. AND AND BUT YES.

BUT I MEAN, FOR LACK OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR LIAISON DECIDING THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS.

WELL, LACK OF DISCUSSION ITEMS. YES. OKAY. SO WOULD THE ONUS BE ON INDIVIDUAL ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS TO PRESENT ITEMS IN ADVANCE OF THE AGENDA BEING DISTRIBUTED FOR EACH MONTH? IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AND WITH THE GROUP COLLABORATIVELY? BUT WHAT MR. DEMAY IS SAYING, THOUGH, IS A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU COME TO THEM WITH, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS, IT'S MOST OF THE TIME IT'S A QUESTION THAT CAN BE ANSWERED AND DISTRIBUTED TO ALL OF YOU IN AN EMAIL.

THAT'S THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL HE'S SAYING.

OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

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SO WHAT HAPPENS IF, I MEAN, MR. MEADOWS DOES PRESENT OFTEN, BUT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PEOPLE AND THAT AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S A MEETING AT A CERTAIN TIME THAT MAYBE THEY'RE SEASONAL PEOPLE, THEY'RE ONLY HERE MAYBE OCTOBER THROUGH APRIL.

I JUST, YOU KNOW, WONDER.

YOU'RE CUTTING OFF A TIME WHERE THEY MIGHT GIVE COMMENT.

I MEAN, WE MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AT SOME TIME.

I REMEMBER THERE WERE TIMES WE HAD 3 OR 4 PEOPLE LINED UP TO GIVE COMMENT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING, THEY'RE NOT.

THAT'S TRUE, THAT'S TRUE.

OR IT COULD BE TABLED, OR IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE VALIDITY AT AT THAT PRESENT TIME AND TO WAIT TWO MONTHS, YOU KNOW, AND AS I SAID, I'M JUST THINKING THAT WAY BECAUSE HAVING BEEN TO SOME OF THE PARKS AND REC ONES AND THEY CAN GET PRETTY HEATED SOME OF THE TIMES AND THERE'S CHANGES.

SO YEAH, THEY ABSOLUTELY DO.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST THIS IS JUST PART OF IT.

THIS IS JUST PART OF HEALTHY DISCUSSION.

AND AND I KNOW ON THE AGENDA MEETING FREQUENCY IS ON THE AGENDA.

AND I THINK WE'RE SKIPPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT AND THAT'S OKAY.

BUT BUT YOU KNOW THESE ARE ALL COGENT POINTS THAT YOU BRING UP AND ARE INTERESTED IN REDUCING THE MEETING FREQUENCY.

THAT'S OKAY. BUT AS STAFF, WE BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LAZY AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ACCOLADES, AS YOU SUGGESTED EARLIER.

WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, BE DO A GOOD JOB AND BE EFFICIENT.

AND, CAROLYN, WHEN DID I SUGGEST YOU WERE LOOKING FOR ACCOLADES? I'M SORRY YOU SUGGESTED THAT MR. DEMAY WAS NOT HAPPY UNLESS PEOPLE WERE BLOWING SMOKE.

WELL, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY I'VE BEEN TOLD THE MEETINGS ARE TOO NEGATIVE.

OH, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, I'VE NOT I'VE NOT HEARD THAT.

WELL, MYSELF.

PREVIOUSLY I THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO MEET ONE ON ONE ON ISSUES.

AND I'VE SINCE CHANGED MY MIND BECAUSE IT'S THEN IT'S JUST ONE PERSON.

AND I THINK WHATEVER I SAY THAT I'M WILLING TO SAY TO YOU, IF I'M GOING TO SAY IT, I'LL SAY IT PUBLICLY.

AND IF IT HASN'T, I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE VALIDITY, IT'LL DIMINISH ME.

AND IF IT'S A VALID POINT, IT'S OPEN OR, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF WAYS TO HANDLE A COMMENT OR A NO COMMENT OR THAT'S WRONG OR WE DISAGREE.

BUT I JUST THINK WHEN IT'S JUST A ONE ON ONE, IT'S EASY TO GET SIDELINED BECAUSE IT'S JUST ONE PERSON'S OPINION ON THE BOARD AT THAT POINT.

WHEREAS IF AT A MEETING THEY CAN SAY, WELL, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.

THERE'S THREE OF US OR FOUR OF US BELIEVE THE SAME THING.

AND WITHOUT THAT PUBLIC AIRING OF IT, AND IT HAS TO BE FAIR.

NO, IT'S ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO SABOTAGE AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT.

IF I BELIEVE THAT IF ALL OF YOU LOOKED AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, INCLUDING MR. DEMAY AND EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, EVERYBODY AND PEOPLE WATCHING, EVERYBODY WANTS THE GOLF COURSE TO SUCCEED, AND THEY WANT IT TO BE A CROWN JEWEL AND SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS PROUD OF AND THE VISITORS ENJOY COMING TO.

AND IF YOU LEAD FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK I THINK THE NEGATIVITY KIND OF GOES AWAY WHEN WHEN EVERYBODY IS, EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME END END GOAL IN MIND.

YOU MIGHT NOT ALWAYS AGREE ON HOW HOW YOU GET THERE, BUT IF THE GOAL IS THE SAME AND I KNOW IT IS FOR ALL OF YOU THAT YOU WANT THE GOLF COURSE TO BE SUCCESSFUL OPERATION AND SOMETHING THE CITY IS PROUD OF.

YES. AND THE GOLF COURSE HAS MADE TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENTS.

AND TO THE EXTENT WE STILL SEE ITEMS OF CONCERN, THAT'S NOT US NOT PRAISING THE GOLF COURSE.

THAT'S US STRIVING TO, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, SUGGEST ITEMS FOR IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY. AND THAT'S GREAT.

AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, YOU CAN CONTACT MR. DEMAY, CONTACT ME.

HE AND I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN FOR YOU.

AND I'M VERY SINCERE IN MY AND I'VE MADE THE STATEMENTS WITH THE PRIOR MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT IF I QUESTIONED WHETHER THIS IS THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM'S TIME TO ENGAGE IN A TWO HOUR MEETING ONCE A MONTH, I GET THAT.

AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY COMMISSION THINKS US, YOU KNOW, HAVING MONTHLY MEETINGS IS STILL APPROPRIATE WITHOUT THE MANAGEMENT TEAM HERE, THAT MAY BE ONE APPROACH TO TAKE AND MEET WITH HIM QUARTERLY.

I MEAN THIS AS FAR AS THE IMPORTANCE AND I'M NOT BEING CYNICAL ABOUT US, BUT THIS HAS GOT TO BE WAY LOW ON THE PRIORITIES OF THINGS THAT DAVE DEMAY HAS TO ACCOMPLISH EVERY MONTH IS TO SET AN AGENDA AND REPORT TO FIVE

[00:30:10]

NO, NO, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT.

I KNOW WE'RE JUST TALKING.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. I'M NOT ACCUSING YOU OF ANYTHING AT ALL.

BUT HE RESPECTS EACH OF YOU VERY MUCH AND APPRECIATES THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS.

SO I KNOW HE'S NOT HE'S NOT BEING DISMISSIVE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, BUT IT IS HIS ATTEMPT TO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.

AND IF YOU DECIDE THAT MONTHLY MEETINGS ARE WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO.

AND WE'LL DO IT GLADLY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE CHIPS ON OUR SHOULDERS AND AND ARE GOING TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, WE'RE PROFESSIONALS AND WE'LL DO WE'LL DO AS, AS.

NO, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

YEAH. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, THE THE REASON FOR THESE MEETINGS, FOR THE MOST PART, IS THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION CAN PRESENT ANY PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE TO THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE, AND THEN WE CAN PREVENT THEM, PRESENT THEM TO THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S THE LIAISON.

EVERYBODY HERE IS WORKING FOR THE SAME THING.

I'M NOT. BUT DO WE EVEN HAVE A LIAISON ANYMORE FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE GOLF COMMITTEE? IS DR. LIAISON.

[INAUDIBLE] COMMISSIONER ROSS IS HERE BECAUSE HE ATTENDS ALMOST ALL THE ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS, NOT JUST YOURS.

AND DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE A LIAISON ANYMORE? NO, SIR. THE LIAISONS, THE COMMISSION, PROBABLY 3 TO 5 YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE FROM FROM THE ADVISORY BOARDS.

AND THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT WAS BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT ANYBODY CAN ATTEND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, INCLUDING COMMISSIONERS.

SO. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PRESENT SOMETHING TO IT IS THE WHOLE COMMISSION AT A CITY COMMISSION MEETING? YES, SIR. AT 10:00 AT NIGHT? NO, SIR. NO, SIR.

DEMAY A CALL. YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AS WELL.

YEAH. NO, BUT I THINK MONTHLY.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED MONTHLY MEETINGS FOR THIS.

I MEAN, IF MR. DEMAY HAS SOMETHING ELSE HE NEEDS TO DO THAT DAY.

I MEAN, I'M TALKING FOR ME, NOT THE OTHER PEOPLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE TO DO, MORE IMPORTANT, HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE TO TAKE TIME OUT OF HIS OWN, YOU KNOW, TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THEM ONCE A MONTH.

SO SINCE I'M THE ONE HERE, JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, EVERYBODY HERE CAN HEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING AND OR WE CAN.

WELL, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, TOO, SINCE I'M THE ONE THAT RAISED IT, I HAVE GOTTEN NO INDICATION FROM DAVE THAT HE DOESN'T VIEW THIS AS BEING IMPORTANT.

I'M THE ONE THAT SUGGESTING THIS, NOT DAVE, THAT THIS MAY NOT BE THE BEST USE OF HIS TIME TO BE HERE EVERY MONTH.

THAT'S JUST ME SPEAKING.

I HAVE GOT NO INDICATION OF THAT FROM ANYBODY ELSE.

YEAH, YEAH. AND FOR ME, YOU KNOW I'M NOT ANTI MEETING YOU KNOW I THINK SOME MEETINGS ARE IMPORTANT.

IF THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP.

IF WE DID QUARTERLY MEETINGS LET'S SAY, AND THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE AN, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL MEETING THAT WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS IN BETWEEN THE QUARTERLY MEETINGS. AND THAT TENDS TO NOT, WE DO QUARTERLY YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET RID OF THE BOARD.

I MEAN, THAT'S MONTHLY IS WE NEED TO DO IT MONTHLY TO BE ABLE IF SOMETHING COMES UP AND WE GOT A QUARTERLY MEETING, I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID.

BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE HAVE OTHER LIVES.

AND I MEAN, IF WE CALL A MEETING AT THE LAST MINUTE FOR SOMETHING, WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET A QUORUM IF WE GOT SOMETHING SCHEDULED, MOST PEOPLE WILL MAKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME OR OR BE HERE.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER POINT I'M MAKING.

YEAH.

WHAT I'M HEARING EVERYBODY HERE WANTS A MONTHLY MEETING.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND IF THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU CAN'T ATTEND, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE IS GOING TO PUT A BLACK MARK BY YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED MONTHLY MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH.

THAT'S 12 MONTHS. 12 TIMES A YEAR.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SORRY.

GO AHEAD. GO FROM THERE.

AND NOT NOT QUARTERLY.

QUARTERLY IS LIKE I SAY, JUST, YOU KNOW, CLOSE THE PLACE DOWN AND FORGET ABOUT IT.

WE'RE ALL HERE TO HELP OUT WITH THE GOLF COURSE.

BUT A LOT OF US PLAY AND A LOT OF US ARE OUT THERE AND WE HEAR THINGS OUT THERE.

YOU MAY NOT HEAR FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A PLACE TO PRESENT IT.

AND IF WE GOT ENOUGH TO DO IT, SOMEBODY CAN PRESENT IT TO THE USED TO BE LET THE LIAISON KNOW BUT NOW I GUESS WE GO TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION, WHICH MAY BE BETTER

[00:35:06]

YEAH. AND AGAIN I'M NOT ANTI MONTHLY MEETINGS.

I'M JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RESOLUTION.

MEANING THAT YOU'RE GIVING ME THINGS FOR THE AGENDA.

WE'RE DISCUSSING THEM.

THEY NEED TO BE COMMISSIONABLE ITEMS. MEANING IF SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TAKE TO THE COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW THIS READS.

SO IF IT'S A SOMETHING THE OPERATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE THAT YOU WANTED TO CHANGE OR SOMETHING IN SOME AREA OF THE CLUB, THEN YOU WOULD GET WITH ME AHEAD OF TIME.

WE WOULD LOOK AT IT, WE WOULD SAY, OKAY, LET'S GET IT ON THE AGENDA SO YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS IT AND EITHER VOTE ON IT OR DECIDE IF WE WANT TO TAKE THAT TO THE COMMISSION. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BROADER THAN THAT TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, THAT I THINK PART OF OUR JOB IS JUST STAYING TOTALLY ON TOP OF THE GOLF COURSE.

AND EVEN IF THERE'S NOTHING ACTIONABLE, JUST BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE, HAVING, KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON, THE SENTIMENT, THE FINANCES.

IT MAY COME A TIME I MAY JUST SIT THERE IDLE.

BUT PEOPLE COME AND GO ALL THE TIME, WHETHER IT'S A SUPERINTENDENT OR A MANAGER.

THEY GET A BETTER OPPORTUNITY SOMEWHERE.

THEY'RE GONE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, THE CORPORATE KNOWLEDGE OR THE OF HOW THINGS ARE GOING THAN JUST, OH, WHAT DO WE DO NOW.

YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THAT.

AS MUCH AS WE CAN KNOW, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO SHARE IT ALL.

AND SOME STUFF YOU CAN SAY, I PREFER NOT TO SHARE THAT.

IT'S INADVISABLE TO SHARE THAT PUBLICLY.

I MEAN, GO FROM THERE.

BUT I THINK IT'S AND IT IS IN NO WAY INVOLVING PERSONNEL DECISIONS OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST TO HOW THE OPERATION IS GOING.

THE MORE WE KNOW, I THINK, THE BETTER.

YEAH. AND I'LL JUST JUMP IN AGAIN, MAYBE BECAUSE I'M A LAWYER, I JUST LIKE TO ACTUALLY READ THE WORDS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE SPIRIT IS.

BUT WHEN IT SAYS THE ROLE, IT SAYS THE ROLE OF THE BOARD IS TO REVIEW ACTIVITIES AT THE GOLF COURSE WITH THE MANAGEMENT TEAM.

A REVIEW IS A PLAIN MEANING TO ME MEANS REVIEW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHICH IS MORE THAN HAVING AN AGENDA ITEM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET AN AGENDA ITEM UNTIL YOU REVIEW WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY. I'M JUST.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE A VOTE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND QUARTERLY MEETINGS BASED ON WHAT I'VE JUST STATED.

SO IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO, WE CAN HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO KEEP IT MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY.

WE'LL DO THAT SHORTLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. MEADOWS ON THIS ISSUE.

COULD I LET HIM COME AND SPEAK ON IT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, MR. MEADOWS.

MY NAME IS MIKE MEADOWS.

I LIVE AT 2601 VIA DEL RAY.

I HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I'M SO.

I AM SO HURT BY WHAT I JUST HEARD THESE TWO CITY EMPLOYEES SAY.

IT WOULD BE BEST IF I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING HURT STARTED OFF REALLY, REALLY MAD.

DAVID ASKED FOR OUR SUPPORT.

WE WERE SUPPORTIVE.

HE SAID, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING SOMEBODY SAID AT THE GOLF COURSE SAID SOMETHING.

HE ASKED ALL OF US TO SAY, HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE TO SAY.

WE'VE DONE THAT.

YOU'VE DONE THAT.

AND THAT MAY BE WHY THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN SO DAMN SUPPORTIVE OF HIM.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS.

THEY BROUGHT THIS UP LAST NIGHT AT THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE, AND THEY VOTED SOLIDLY NOT TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO CONTINUE HAVING MONTHLY MEETINGS.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL OF YOU TO CONTINUE, BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT OUR CITY EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

YOU NEED A MOTION, JOHN.

YES, SIR. MAKE A MOTION.

[00:40:01]

YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION FOR QUARTERLY MEETINGS? SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR QUARTERLY MEETINGS.

I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR QUARTERLY MEETINGS.

I WANT YOU TO VOTE ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE TO QUARTERLY OR STAY MONTHLY, BECAUSE MANY OF THE OTHER BOARDS ARE VOTING ON THIS SO.

SO WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE TO QUARTERLY OR YOU WANT TO STAY MONTHLY, WELL, WE CAN DO ONE OF TWO WAYS.

YOU CAN VOTE ON A QUARTERLY UP OR DOWN VOTE ON A MONTHLY UP OR DOWN, OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

WE HAVE MEETINGS MONTHLY 12 TIMES A YEAR.

IS THAT YOUR MOTION? YES.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

HERE A SECOND. GIVE A VOTE.

ANY COMMENT? MY ONLY COMMENT IS MY VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION IS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY COMMISSION HAS REQUIRED.

AND UNLESS AND UNTIL THE CITY COMMISSION SAYS YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS, I'M IN FAVOR OF HAVING MONTHLY MEETINGS.

ABSOLUTELY. COMMENT.

OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. LET'S TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR? DO YOU HAVE YOU'RE GOING TO CALL OUT OR DO WE DO THAT NOW? I'M NOT SURE. YOU CALL A VOTE.

HOW DO WE JUST YAY OR NAY? HOW DO WE DO THAT, CAROLINE? IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S AT THE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CHAIR.

SO YOU CAN SAY, ALL IN FAVOR, OR YOU CAN TAKE THE ROLL.

OKAY.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR.

I JUST MADE A MOTION WE HAVE QUARTERLY I MEAN, MONTHLY MEETINGS.

SECOND. AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED.

AND NOW WE NEED TO VOTE.

VOTE ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. AYE SO IT'S 4 TO 1.

IS THAT IT? YEAH. OKAY.

IT'S 4 TO 1 VOTE.

OKAY. ITEM 6.

[6.3 LIGHTHOUSE DRIVING RANGE - TopTracer amenity review.]

THIS ITEM WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA AT MY REQUEST.

IF WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, MR. DEMAY OR YOU JUST WANT ME TO DIG IN AND MAKE MY COMMENTS FIRST? YEAH, I SAW THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT NOTHING WAS BROUGHT TO ME ON WHAT YOU WANTED.

FOR INFORMATION ON LIGHTHOUSE DRIVING RANGE REVIEW.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.

SO OKAY, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF MEETING AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN DISCUSSING IT AND THEN PRESENTING IT.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL JUST DIG IN.

AND LIKE I SAID, IF ANY OF THESE POINTS ARE INVALID, THEY'LL BE NOTED AS SUCH AND TO MY DETRIMENT.

IN SEEKING TO BE RELEVANT, PRETTY MUCH AFTER THE CANCELLATION OF THE LAST MEETING, I LOOKED AT THE BROCHURE WE PUT OUT VERY PROFESSIONAL.

IT'S NICE, BUT I NOTICED IN THERE I DIDN'T DETECT ANY REAL MENTION OF TOPTRACER, SO THAT CONCERNED ME BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN A MAJOR LITTLE POLITICAL ISSUE HERE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND I BELIEVE I'VE BEEN FAIRLY SUPPORTIVE OF IT, EVEN THOUGH I REALLY HAVEN'T USED IT.

BUT I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK THROUGH THE MONTHLY FINANCIALS OF IT, AND IT'S MY BELIEF THAT IT'S DOING ABOUT THE SAME AS IT DID ITS FIRST YEAR, DESPITE IMPROVEMENTS TO IT.

I BELIEVE IN ITS FIRST YEAR IT LOST ABOUT $20,000.

AND I THINK THIS PAST YEAR WE JUST FINISHED.

THE FINAL NUMBERS AREN'T IN, BUT IT LOST ABOUT $15,000 AND I DON'T TOTALLY UNDERSTAND ALL THE NUMBERS.

I WENT THROUGH IT AS BEST OF MY ABILITY, AND EVEN IN THAT FIRST YEAR NUMBERS THEY HAD THEY SPENT ON PROMOTIONS SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO IT'S FAIRLY CLOSE.

AND EVEN IF THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF DISCUSSION, I'M NOT WILLING TO THROW THE TOPTRACER OVER.

BUT I THINK IT'S RIGHTFUL TO EXAMINE HOW WELL IT'S DOING, HOW COMMITTED YOU ARE TO KEEPING IT.

YOU WEREN'T ONE OF THE MIDWIVES OF IT, AND THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE MIDWIFE REMAINING.

THE CITY MANAGER HAS CHANGED.

MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE CHANGED.

SO THERE'S NOBODY WITH A REAL STAKE IN IT AS FAR AS HAVING STARTED IT.

SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D GO FROM THERE.

AND IF THERE WERE POSSIBLY BETTER ALTERNATIVES TO IT.

BUT AGAIN, IT PROBABLY DIDN'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TRY TO SUPPORT YOUR CASE.

[00:45:03]

DOES THAT ADD TO THE GOLF COURSE OR IS IT NOT? AND SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.

AND THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION.

THERE'S NO VOTING, BUT PEOPLE CAN GIVE THEIR OPINIONS AND JUST SEE WHAT YOU YOUR OPINION WILL CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION.

JUST IF YOU'RE IF THE STUFF I SAID IS WRONG OR YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT'S TELLS THE WHOLE STORY, HOW HOW BIG A PART IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE WHOLE THE WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, PRESENTATION OF THE GOLF COURSE OR IT'S TOTALITY.

WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THOSE COMMENTS? SURE. YEAH.

SO WHAT I WALKED INTO NINE MONTHS AGO WAS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, NOTHING WAS PROMOTED PROPERLY.

TOPTRACER INCLUDED THE CONDITIONS AROUND TOPTRACER, AROUND THE GOLF COURSE, AROUND THE CLUB, VERY POOR CONDITIONS.

SO IT'S A PROCESS TO WE HAVE TO HAVE A PRIORITY LIST GOLF COURSE IS NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN TOPTRACER WE'VE DONE SEVERAL THINGS TO IMPROVE IT, WHETHER IT'S THE NETTING AND OTHER THINGS, THE ESTHETICS, THE AROUND THE BUILDING AND THE RANGE ITSELF.

SO THERE THERE IS A PROCESS TO PROMOTING IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO PROMOTE IT WHEN IT'S READY TO BE PROMOTED, FULLY PROMOTED.

SO WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT WITH TOPTRACER.

IT IS TRENDING UP AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS, JUST LIKE YOU JUST STATED.

SO WELL, BASED ON BASED ON THE NUMBERS, IT IS IT IS THE TOTAL FOR THE YEAR.

RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE.

SO AND THAT'S WITHOUT HEAVY PROMOTION OR HEAVY MARKETING, HEAVY MARKETING EFFORT BASED ON THE FACILITY ITSELF.

SO TOPTRACER IS AN AMENITY.

YOU KNOW, TOPTRACER IS SOMETHING THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE CLUB, NOT JUST A FINANCIAL AMENITY OR A FINANCIAL RESOURCE.

IT AGAIN, ONCE WE HAVE IT FULLY WHERE WE WANT IT, AS FAR AS THE WHOLE AREA THERE, I FEEL IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

IT WE ALSO, AS YOU'RE AWARE, I STATED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, THE STRUCTURE OF IT WAS NOT SET UP PROPERLY.

HOW WE HOW THEY WERE DOING, YOU KNOW, A BUCKET OF BALLS AND THEN TOPTRACER SEPARATE.

SO HOW WE STRUCTURED IT BASED ON THE TOPTRACER CORPORATE TEAM AND HOW OUT OF 117 CLUBS, THEY LOOKED AT OUR FACILITY AND SAID, WELL, YOU SHOULD BE STRUCTURED THIS WAY.

MAKING IT AN ALL INCLUSIVE TOPTRACER IS INCLUDED WITH THE BUCKET SALE AND THE BAY RENTAL.

SO THAT'S JUST GONE INTO PLACE THAT THAT NEW FEE STRUCTURE THAT WAS PART OF THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT YOU ALL LOOKED AT.

AND SO THAT WENT IN OCTOBER 1ST.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY METRICS ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE FEEL THAT THAT STRUCTURE, BASED ON THE ANALYTICS AND METRICS FROM THE TOPTRACER CORPORATE TEAM, WILL HELP US TO SEE MORE SUCCESS AT TOPTRACER, ALONG WITH PROMOTIONS TO THE HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I'VE ALREADY PUT INTO PLACE.

WE JUST BOOKED A BIRTHDAY PARTY.

THEY BOUGHT OUT THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND THAT CAME FROM OUR AD THAT I PUT IN THE PAPER.

HAVE YOU SEEN US LATELY WITH TOPTRACER IN THE AD THAT'S IN THE LOCAL PAPER.

SO THOSE THINGS WILL HELP MOVE US IN A GOOD DIRECTION WITH TOPTRACER, AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT HOW IT GOES.

BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL.

IS IT GOING TO BE HARD TO SEPARATE IT NOW THAT YOU'VE CHANGED THE STRUCTURE, WILL IT BE ABLE TO TELL HOW TOPTRACER ITSELF IS DOING SINCE IT'S INCLUDED NOW? YEAH, BEHIND THE SCENES WE'LL HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

BECAUSE THE OTHER THING I WAS CONCERNED, LIKE IF YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACQUIRE METRICS OF WHO USES IT AS FAR AS THE REGULAR USERS, AS FAR AS I FEAR THAT I FEAR, I HOPE I'M WRONG, THAT JUST THE LOCAL MARKET MAY NOT BE BIG ENOUGH FOR IT TO BE PROFITABLE, AND IT COULD STILL BE USEFUL IF IT'S NOT TOO LONG, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT TOO UNPROFITABLE.

BUT YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE YEAR, EVERY DOLLAR CAN MEAN A LOT.

SO IT'S CORPORATIONS DO THAT ALL THE TIME.

THEY THEY CUT OFF BUSINESSES THAT THEY JUST ACQUIRED A FEW YEARS BEFORE FOR A LOT OF MONEY.

AND SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST TOO SOON TO TELL, YOU KNOW.

OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT IT?

[00:50:01]

MAYBE I'M A LITTLE BEHIND, BUT WE DO HAVE IS THERE MONEY IN THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY FOR THINGS LIKE HAVE WE ADDED? I GUESS ONCE UPON A TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER DOWN THERE.

WE ADDED WATER DOWN THERE? NO SIR. IS THERE ANY FUTURE THINGS TO ADD THAT MAYBE IN MORE FOOD DOWN THERE INSTEAD OF COMING FROM THE KITCHEN? YEAH, BASED ON OUR PRIORITY LIST FOR THE CLUB AS A WHOLE, THAT IS ON THE 3 TO 5 YEAR PRIORITY LIST, A KITCHEN, RESTROOMS AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST ASKING FOR INFORMATION.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE WHERE WE ARE ON THAT SINCE IT'S JUST COMING IN TODAY.

IS THERE ANY IS THERE MONEY IN THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, OR IS IT JUST MONEY OVERALL THAT YOU CAN SPEND WHERE YOU NEED IT? WELL, RIGHT NOW FOR ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THAT, IT HAS NOT BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THIS YEAR.

OKAY. THE CITY COMMISSION HADN'T ALLOCATED FOR THIS YEAR FOR THIS YEAR.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.

BASED ON OUR NEEDS FOR THE ENTIRE CLUB.

OKAY, JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION.

THE FIXED COSTS THAT YOU'RE PAYING TO TOP GOLF EACH MONTH.

WHAT'S THE ANNUAL PUBLIC INFORMATION? I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK THAT HERE.

THAT'S IT? AND THAT'S REALLY IF WE SHUT IT DOWN OTHER THAN THE ATTENDANT THERE, THAT WOULD BE THE COST AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COMPUTERS.

SO. GOTCHA.

I CAME ACROSS SEVERAL OR AT LEAST ONE MONTH WHEN I WAS DOUBLE THAT EXPENSE FOR THE RENTAL.

AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? NO SIR. IT WAS JUST A MISSED MONTH FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTH.

OKAY. WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY IT WAS LIKE THREE MONTHS PRIOR THAT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE AN INVOICE.

OKAY. ENOUGH.

THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT.

OKAY. THAT'S. JUST WANTED TO BRING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HURT TO SHINE A LITTLE LIGHT ON IT.

SO YOU HADN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT IT LATELY? OKAY. THANK YOU.

SIR. THANK YOU. UH OH.

I'M SORRY. MR. MEADOWS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT 6.3? THE DRIVING RANGE. MY NAME IS MIKE MEADOWS.

I LIVE AT 2601 VIA DEL RAY.

I HAD SOMETHING I WANTED TO SAY HERE THIS MORNING ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN TO A MEETING THAT I ALMOST CRIED, BEEN SO DISAPPOINTED, I ALMOST CRIED.

I HAD A QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK HERE, A PRETTY SIMPLE QUESTION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL DO ANY GOOD.

I DON'T THINK I'LL GET AN ANSWER TO IT.

THANK YOU FOR.

I THINK I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THIS BOARD.

THANK YOU SIR.

THAT CONCLUDES 6.3.

ITEM 7 MEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION UPDATE.

[7. MGA UPDATE]

THAT WAS INVESTED IN OUR OCTOBER 4TH MEETING AND INCLUDING THE TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE, WHICH THE NEW TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR IS WORKING WITH MR. DEMAY TO ALIGN THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROPER TOURNAMENT SETUP AND IMPLEMENTATION AND FOLLOW UP. AND OUR MEMBERSHIP RIGHT NOW IS, I THINK, AT 101 MEMBERS.

VERY GOOD. AND I THINK THIS IS A DEPARTURE FROM THIS UPDATE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE MOST VOCIFEROUS CRITICS OF ANYTHING AT THAT CLUB COME OUT OF THE MGA MOST OF THE MANY OF THOSE MEMBERS, THE ONLY EXERCISE THEY GET IS JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.

WOULD YOU SPEAK UP, PLEASE? SURE. AND SO THE LEVEL OF NOISE IN TERMS OF CRITICISM OF THE DIRECTION OF THE COURSE AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED RIGHT NOW HAS LESSENED CONSIDERABLY.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMISSION TO RETAIN SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

AND I'VE TALKED WITH, WITH MIKE AND OTHERS ABOUT THIS.

WE'RE CLIMBING OUT OF A 12 YEAR HOLE AND THERE'S A LOT TO DO.

THIS COURSE WAS SLIGHTLY ABOVE BERLIN AFTER WORLD WAR TWO.

IT WAS A FREAKING DISASTER.

AND WE HAVE TWO NINES THAT ARE VERY PLAYABLE NOW.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S STILL A LOT TO DO.

PERSONALLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOUTH COURSE.

NOT THAT IT'S NOT VIABLE.

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SO I THINK WE'RE VERY MUCH HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND I'M NOT BLOWING SMOKE.

I'M THERE EVERY DAY AND I SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT TOPTRACER, REMEMBER WHAT THAT DRIVING RANGE LOOKED LIKE AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIX.

NOW WE EVEN HAVE DRAINAGE.

WE HAD THREE DROPS OF RAIN.

THE RANGE WAS CLOSED.

THAT'S NOT TRUE ANYMORE.

AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE NETTING IN THAT IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.

THAT'S NOT A SCOOP BUT IT'S BEING ADDRESSED.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT WATER AND FOOD.

IT WAS INCREDIBLY STUPID OF THE PRIOR MANAGEMENT NOT TO RUN WATER OUT THERE.

HOW DO YOU GO TO THE RESTROOM? YOU HOPE YOU RUN A 100 YARD DASH AND MAKE IT IN TIME INSIDE.

AND IF YOU DID HAVE FOOD, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO WASH YOUR HANDS? YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOME BIG ITEMS HERE THAT I THINK AS A BOARD WE SHOULD CONSIDER.

AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT IS ONE OF THE, I THINK, PERSUASIVE REASONS TO CONTINUE THE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

AND, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE CHANGE THE CHARTER, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE MONTHLY MEETINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST MOVE ON AND LET'S TRY TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND NOT NOT GET IN THE HABIT OF GOTCHAS, BUT GET IN THE HABIT OF FINDING THINGS THAT WE CAN REALLY HELP MOVE THE CLUB FORWARD.

AND I THINK THE MGA IS TAKING A MORE PROACTIVE ATTITUDE THAT WAY.

LOOK, THERE ARE ALWAYS PROBLEMS, BUT PROBLEMS CAN BE ADDRESSED AND DEALT WITH.

SO THAT'S THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

THANK YOU JOHN. ANY COMMENT ON THAT FROM ANYBODY.

MOVE ON TO ITEM 8 THE WOMEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION UPDATE OKAY.

[8. WGA UPDATE]

I DON'T REMEMBER. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR ACTUALLY THIS EARLY IN THE YEAR, WE STARTED WITH 50 MEMBERS, WHICH IS THE MOST MEMBERS WE'VE HAD IN A LONG TIME. IT HASN'T BEEN THAT HIGH SINCE I FIRST JOINED FIVE YEARS AGO.

WOMEN HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE UPDATES ABOUT THE COURSE.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUNKERS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP YESTERDAY AFTER PLAY.

I GUESS THERE IS NO SAND IN MANY OF THEM, SO I'M JUST BRINGING THAT TO THE ATTENTION.

AND ALSO, SOME OF THE WOMEN DID COMMENT YESTERDAY THAT MOST OF THE WOMEN RELY ON ROLL TO GET THEIR BALL ANYWHERE. THEY DON'T HIT THEM HIGH.

AND SO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO SOLVE NOW, BUT JUST BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE GRASS CUTTING SCHEDULE.

AND THIS MAY BE DUE TO LABOR NOT HAVING SUFFICIENT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GRASS LEFT ON THE FAIRWAYS WHICH WHEN THEY'RE WET STICKS TO YOUR BALL, STICKS TO EVERYTHING.

SO THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP BY THE WOMEN YESTERDAY.

EITHER THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COULD BE DONE ABOUT THAT, EITHER THE GRASS BEING SOAKED UP A LITTLE BIT MORE OR A MORE FREQUENT CUTTING SCHEDULE.

SO THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS THEY BROUGHT UP.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD AS THE LADIES LEAGUE TO HAVING OUR 27 HOLE INVITATIONAL ON NOVEMBER 7TH.

THE INVITE WENT OUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT 60 SIGNED UP WITH MORE COMING IN.

SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY POSITIVE AND PRODUCTIVE EVENT.

REGISTRATION CLOSES OCTOBER 25TH, SO WE'RE HOPING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD SEASON WITH EVERYTHING WITH INCREASED MEMBERSHIP, INCREASED INQUIRIES INTO IT.

YOU KNOW, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE OUR LADIES LEAGUE GET UP THERE.

SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE ENCOURAGED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

THANK YOU. ITEM 9 MARKETING UPDATE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING? NOTHING AT THIS POINT. OKAY.

HOW ABOUT THE AGRONOMY UPDATE? ANYTHING TO ADD?

[10. AGRONOMY UPDATE]

THE YOU KNOW WE AGAIN GOT RID OF BUGS, GOT RID OF WEEDS AND NOW WE HAVE GRASS GROWING.

SO WE ARE COMING OUT OF GROWING SEASON.

AND NOW THAT WE ARE GETTING HEALTHIER FAIRWAYS, YOU'LL START TO SEE THE LOWERING OF THE HEIGHT A LITTLE BIT ON THE FAIRWAYS.

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AND SO WE HAVE HIRED MORE PEOPLE FOR OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND THROUGHOUT THE CLUB.

SO THAT WILL HELP WITH ADDRESSING THAT.

ANYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS THE AGRONOMY.

EVERYTHING'S MOVING IN A REALLY GOOD DIRECTION.

WE'RE DOING A LOT OF PRE-EMERGENCE, WHICH IS BASICALLY PUTTING OUT FERTILIZER TO TAKE CARE OF WEEDS AND THINGS SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, WHICH WE WEREN'T THAT WASN'T BEING DONE BEFORE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH UP WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT SEE.

YOU KNOW, GOOSEGRASS ON THE GREENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WEREN'T TREATED PRIOR TO IT JUST SHOWING UP.

AND I KNOW THE WEST SEEMED PARTICULARLY WELL GROOMED YESTERDAY.

YOU KNOW, CLOSE CUT AROUND SOME OF THE GREENS AND EVERYTHING.

IS THAT AN UPCOMING TOURNAMENT OR IS THAT JUST A CHANGE TO JUST ADDING MORE STAFF? YEAH, ADDING MORE STAFF.

AND AGAIN, NOW THAT THERE'S GRASS GROWING WE CAN GROOM IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE ALL THREE NIGHTS.

SINCE YOU'RE STANDING HERE AND WE'RE GETTING TOWARD THE END, COULD I ASK YOU HOW THE MEMBERSHIP RENEWAL IS DOING? GOOD. VERY WELL, VERY POSITIVE.

YEAH. A LOT OF POSITIVE COMMENTS.

BASED ON THE DIRECTION OF THE CLUB, I'LL MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT, IF I MAY.

WOULD YOU THINK ABOUT GIVING SOME TRAINING TO THE PRO SHOP STAFF TO TRY TO PROMOTE MEMBERSHIP SALES WHEN THEY GET PEOPLE THERE THAT ARE NOT A MEMBER? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'VE INTRODUCED THAT WHERE THEY SAY, HEY, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME SPIEL YOU COME UP WITH AND THEN SOME QUICK DATA.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU PLAY, IF YOU RIDE A CART, YOU KNOW, 100 TIMES A YEAR, A FULL MEMBERSHIP OR WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU OR REGULAR MEMBER, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME THINGS TO COAX SOME PEOPLE AT OVER INTO MEMBERSHIP THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO GET THEIR ROUND PAID FOR AND AND GET OUT ON THE COURSE. BUT SOME PROMOTION RIGHT THERE AT THE AT THE POINT OF SALE.

YEAH. SO TWO THINGS WE'RE DOING, WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN PLACE AS WE SPEAK, YOU KNOW, CAPTURING INFORMATION FROM EACH PUBLIC PLAYER EMAIL, PHONE NUMBER.

AND THEN ALSO WHEN SOMEONE DOES CHECK IN, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AWARE WE OFFER MEMBERSHIPS HERE.

WE HAVE NEW MEMBERSHIP RATES.

HERE'S WHAT IT OFFERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

NOW THAT I HAVE STAFFING, YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE PRO SHOP.

WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT MORE.

YOU KNOW, BEFORE IT WAS ONE PERSON.

THERE'S A LINE OF TEN PEOPLE.

IT'S HARD TO TALK TO EVERYBODY.

SO NOW WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHICH WE'LL BE ABLE TO MARKET IT MORE OKAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

IF I COULD, I THINK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS NEXT. WAS IT STAFF COMMENTS OR BOARD COMMENTS? UH, LET ME SEE.

STAFF COMMENTS FIRST, THEN BOARD MEMBER.

OKAY, SO THAT WAS YOUR STAFF, RIGHT? RIGHT. YOUR MANAGEMENT.

OKAY. CAN WE GO AHEAD AND DO YOU HAVE ANY.

I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

OKAY. AS MANY THINGS AS YOU'D LIKE.

NO. NO PROBLEM. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THIS, THIS BOARD AND THE COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME, AND HOW YOU'VE SUPPORTED ME AND HOW THE COMMISSION HAS SUPPORTED ME.

AND I APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC COMING HERE TO SPEAK, COMING TO MY OFFICE AND TALKING TO ME ABOUT THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS REALLY FILTERED INTO US BEING SUCCESSFUL.

YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE POSITIVITY AROUND THE CLUB, ALL THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.

EVEN WITH ALL THE CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD, WHAT WE STARTED WITH AND WHAT WHAT WE'VE HAD TO GO THROUGH, HAVING YOU ALL THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC SPEAKING HERE AND COMING TO ME HAS BEEN A HUGE HELP AND I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SOUND UNGRATEFUL, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M SUGGESTING THINGS OR SAYING THINGS I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR, FOR EVERYTHING.

SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING REGARDING THE GOLF COURSE, NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE OR ON THE COMMISSION, COME TO MY OFFICE, TALK TO ME, CALL ME.

YOU KNOW, SET UP A MEETING. HAPPY TO HAPPY TO MEET WITH ANYBODY REGARDING ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE GOLF COURSE.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE.

BUT IT'S REALLY I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE.

YOU DIDN'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE EASY DID YOU.

NO, SIR. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR.

THANK YOU. UH, LAST ONE OF THE LAST ITEMS. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS.

[INAUDIBLE] FIRST THING, I WANTED TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY COMMENT ABOUT BLOWING SMOKE.

MY FILTER GOT OFF.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO SUGGEST THAT MANAGEMENT IS NOT RECEPTIVE TO CRITICISM.

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AND THIRDLY, I WILL REITERATE OR NOT REITERATE, BUT FOLLOW UP ON DAVE WANTING IN AN OFFERING TO MEET WITH PEOPLE.

WHEN THE LAST MEETING WAS CANCELED, I SENT HIM A AN EMAIL AND HE SAID, WELL, LET'S GET TOGETHER AND TALK.

AND HE WAS VERY AMENABLE AND WAS WILLING TO TALK.

SO I THINK MANAGEMENT IS DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB.

WE MAY DISAGREE ON CERTAIN THINGS, BUT I THINK AS AS WE'VE SAID, EVERYBODY IS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE COURSE AND THE GENERAL CLUB.

THANK YOU. WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY HERE IS IN IT FOR THE SAME THING THAT'S TO IMPROVE THE GOLF COURSE. BUT WHAT THIS BOARD DOES REPRESENT SOMETHING MAYBE THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S RUN AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MONEY'S WORTH, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF THEM DON'T, DON'T PLAY GOLF.

SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS, FOR THIS BOARD.

LIKE I SAY, THE MEN'S AND WOMEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION CAN BRING ANYTHING HERE AND THEN WE CAN TAKE IT TO THE COMMISSION IF NEED BE.

SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S WORKING FOR THE SAME THING.

AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THAT I DON'T I BELIEVE EVERYBODY IS DOING THAT.

SO ANYWAY I'M GOING TO GO WITH THAT.

THANK YOU MAN.

ANYTHING. NO NOT MUCH.

IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SEE ALL THE POSITIVES THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE GOLF COURSE.

IT'S NICE. THIS IS WHAT I'M FEELING.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED WHEN I RETIRED WAS TO BE PART OF A GOLF COMMUNITY.

AND I EVEN KNOW WE HAVE WOMEN WHO JOIN OUR LEAGUE WHO MAYBE PLAY TWICE A YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE PHYSICALLY, BUT THEY DO IT FOR THE CAMARADERIE AND THE GOLF COMMUNITY. AND IT'S THE DINNERS.

EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING IS CREATING MORE OF THAT.

WE'RE A GROUP THAT ALL BELONGS TOGETHER, LIKES TO GET TOGETHER.

SO I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOING IN THE GOOD DIRECTION I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, GOING FORWARD, A LITTLE MORE COMMUNITY EVENTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST GOLFERS THAT COME TO FERNANDINA. THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE PREVIOUS GOLFERS THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP.

SO I THINK EVERYTHING'S BEEN GOING IN A GOOD DIRECTION.

I AGREE MEETING MONTHLY IS PROBABLY VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S SO EASY TO GET OFF TRACK WITH THINGS OR FORGET THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHY YOU'RE HERE.

SO OVERALL, I JUST THINK SINCE DAVID'S BEEN HERE, IT'S BEEN SUCH A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR THE GOLF COURSE.

SO. AND EVERYBODY HERE, YOU KNOW, AGREEING WITH EVERYBODY.

WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW.

SEE BETTER CONDITIONS.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK YOU LYNN.

NO, THANKS. I'M DONE. I'LL REITERATE THE COURSE LOOKS VERY PRESENTATION AROUND THE CLUBHOUSE AND EVERYTHING LOOKS VERY PROFESSIONAL, BUT THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS I THINK ABOUT FOR NEXT MONTH AND I'LL JUST THROW THEM OUT.

NOW, PEOPLE CAN EITHER VALIDATE WHAT THEY BELIEVE IT'S GOOD OR NOT.

I BELIEVE YOU CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OF THE NEW CART DEAL.

AND WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THAT IN PUBLIC, OR DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THE WHOLE STRUCTURE WENT FROM A STRAIGHT I BELIEVE IT WENT FROM A STRAIGHT LEASE AGREEMENT TO A CITY LOAN.

AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE LATEST DOCUMENT FOR THE FINAL DETAILS, BUT PART OF THAT INVOLVES VARIABLE PAYMENTS ON THAT LOAN.

AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S GETTING TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS AS FAR AS KNOWING ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE PAYMENTS GET FAIRLY LARGE, AND WHEN THINGS ARE GOING GOOD, YOU WON'T NOTICE THAT IF THINGS TAKE A DOWNTURN, THAT CAN BE NOTICEABLE AS FAR AS MEETING THOSE PAYMENTS.

SO THAT WAS ONE ITEM.

AND SINCE THE FISCAL YEAR JUST ENDED, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FRUITFUL TO LOOK AT HOW THE 2022-2023 BUDGET RESULTS AND THEN COMPARE THEM TO WHAT WE PUT IN PLACE FOR 23-24 AND JUST LOOK IT OVER.

IF YOU HAVE BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IT'S SET IN STONE, I GUESS AT THIS POINT IT IS THE APPROVED BUDGET, BUT TO TALK IT OVER AND SO IF ANYBODY'S AGAINST THAT ON THE BOARD, COULD YOU THROW THAT OUT NOW AND THEN? MAYBE WE DON'T EVEN TRY TO PUSH IT FORWARD INTO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.

[INAUDIBLE] I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT TO BE.

OKAY WITH THAT NO FURTHER COMMENT.

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ITEM 11, I MOVE FOR ADJOURNMENT.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.