[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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OKAY. THIS IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT APPEALS BOARD HEARING FOR OCTOBER 5TH, 2023.WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? CALL] WE HAVE A QUORUM.
WE DON'T NEED TO SEE ANY ALTERNATIVES.
OKAY. CAN WE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 3RD? I WASN'T PRESENT AT THAT MEETING.I WAS IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS.
THAT'S IF YOU DON'T SEE ANY MISTAKES THAT ARE GLARING.
I ANYBODY HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE.
MOTION TO APPROVE BY THE VICE CHAIR.
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION CARRIES.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? NO, SIR. WE ONLY HAVE ONE CASE TONIGHT.
COULD THE BOARD ATTORNEY JUST DESCRIBE? I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS HERE TO TESTIFY, BUT QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING?
[5.1 CASSIDY OR RONDA SHAW, 107 ESTRADA ST., CODE-2022-0966. ]
SURE. TONIGHT, THE CASE WILL BE THE BOARD IS GOING TO CONDUCT THIS HEARING AS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING.WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THESE BOARD MEMBERS, THERE'S FIVE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WILL BE VOTING.
AND SO ALL SEVEN ARE VOTING TONIGHT.
OKAY. ALL SEVEN ARE VOTING BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES.
SO THE CASE TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE HEARD THROUGH EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IN JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
THE RECORDING SECRETARY, MRS. RIMES, IS GOING TO ASK FOR AN OATH AND YOU'LL STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND IF YOU'RE GOING TO TESTIFY OR SPEAK.
WE'RE KEEPING THIS ON THE RECORD.
THE RECORD IS A VIDEO AND AUDIO RECORDING OF TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS.
AND FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER ON THIS CASE.
YOU CAN CALL WITNESSES IF YOU LIKE.
IF THE DECISION OF THE BOARD, THE BOARD IS GOING TO ONCE THEY'RE DONE TAKING THE EVIDENCE AND ASKING QUESTIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE CHAIR WILL CLOSE THE HEARING, AND THEN THE BOARD WILL DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE.
THEY MAY STILL ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
IT'S NOT QUITE AS FORMAL AS A COURT OF LAW.
THE RULES OF EVIDENCE DO NOT APPLY HERE, SO THERE'S NO HEARSAY OBJECTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE ALLOWED INTO EVIDENCE IF YOU WISH TO APPEAL THE DECISION MADE BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD TONIGHT, THE APPEALS FILED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT HERE IN NASSAU COUNTY WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE BOARD'S DECISION.
SO THE CHAIR SIGNS THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW WITHIN A COUPLE OF BUSINESS DAYS.
SO WITHIN ABOUT 30 DAYS, YOU'D NEED TO APPEAL OR YOU HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL.
IS ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAD ANY EX PARTE CONVERSATIONS CONCERNING THIS MATTER? NO, NO, NO. AND JUST FOR NEW MEMBERS TO AND THE PUBLIC EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ARE COMMUNICATIONS WITH A PARTY.
THE PARTIES IN THE CASE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE CITY.
THE BOARD SECRETARY SWEAR IN ANY WITNESSES? HEY, SAM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TESTIFY, STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OKAY? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY OR EVIDENCE YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE AND OR PRESENT IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. YES. OKAY.
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FIRST CASE OR ONLY CASE.MY UNDERSTANDING IS 42 116 HAS BEEN RESOLVED, AND THE VIOLATION IS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 5.01.09.
WILL THE CITY PROCEED WITH ITS CASE? AND MR. WELLS, CAN YOU HELP ME AS WE GO THROUGH THIS? WHAT SUBSECTION OF 501.09 IS IN VIOLATION? OUTSIDE STORAGE.
IS THAT F? THIS HAS TO BE NEAT.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I'LL HAVE THAT DOWN.
MISS SHAW, ARE YOU RHONDA OR CASSIDY? I'M RHONDA. OKAY, GOOD.
50109. ACTUALLY, WE'RE DEALING WITH A A IS FOR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT. ALSO, IT SPEAKS ABOUT MATERIALS FOR CONSTRUCTION OR DISTRIBUTION.
IT GIVES A COUPLE SOLIDS THAT IS PERMISSIBLE, BUT THIS IS NOT BAD.
ALSO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT C WELL, AND ALSO OKAY.
A SAYS CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS IS PERMISSIBLE IN THIS CATEGORY.
A LIMITED TO LUMBER OR GARDENING SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT, PLUMBING SUPPLIES AND AND SIMILAR MATERIALS.
RIGHT AS IT PERTAINS IN THAT SEE TO THAT I ONE AND I A AS I READ IT AND SEE IS OUTSIDE STORAGE SHOULD BE LOCATED ONLY WITHIN A REAR YARD AND THEN F IS OUTSIDE STORAGE OF PARTS MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH SERVICE AREAS OR WORK ACTIVITY SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY MANNER.
CORRECT. WE'RE THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND AS MY RECOLLECTION, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 207 YEARS OLD WHEN IT GOT DEMOLISHED.
THE TWO ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT I SAW SAID THAT THE ONLY THING THAT WAS SALVAGEABLE WAS FROM THE RAFTERS UP, EVERYTHING FROM THE RAFTERS TO THE GROUND EITHER ROTTED, GOT IT, OR TERMITES HAD JUST EATEN IT, TOO.
SO WHEN IT WENT BEFORE THE HTC FOR DEMOLITION, THEY REQUIRED TWO THINGS.
THEY WANTED AN AS BUILT SET OF DRAWINGS.
THEY ALSO WANTED A FORENSIC DEMOLITION BY SOME SCHOOL COLLEGE, AND THEN THEY WANTED A REPORT BACK OF WHAT MATERIALS THAT WERE SALVAGEABLE AND WHAT THEY ACTUALLY KEPT.
WE WERE HOPING THAT MR. COMELLA WOULD BE HERE TONIGHT TO FILL IN ALL THESE GAPS, BUT HE'S NOT ABLE TO BE PRESENT TONIGHT.
SO LIKE I TOLD MISS SCHALL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO GO AND WING IT WITH WHAT WE KNOW.
AND IF PEOPLE HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE, THEY CAN PUT IT IN THE REAR YARD AND IT'S SCREENED BY A PRIVACY FENCE WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR ADJOINING PROPERTIES. SO SINCE THERE'S NO STRUCTURE THERE, YOU'RE REALLY NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTSIDE STORAGE TO BEGIN WITH.
THIS IS JUST A VACANT LOT NOW.
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I AIN'T GONNA SAY ALL THE MATERIALS.I WILL SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES IN A FEW MINUTES.
I WOULD SAY HALF OF THE MATERIALS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
THEY HAVE. NOW, YOU ASK US TO COME, KIND OF CONSOLIDATE AND PICK IT UP.
I DON'T KNOW. I'LL STAND UP HERE AND TELL YOU A FEW THINGS.
WELL, LET ME LET ME JUST SHOW SOME PICTURES HERE.
AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
DIDN'T TURN THOSE LIGHTS OFF. CRYSTAL.
THERE YOU GO. THIS IS THIS IS THE LOT.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW OVERGROWN IT IS.
AND WHEN I GET A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN IN THIS, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE MATERIALS HERE.
BUT WHEN I GET DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, WOW, MORE OVERGROWTH.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY GOT WRITTEN UP INITIALLY FOR THIS OVERGROWTH AND FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
NOW, THIS WAS A PICTURE FOR TODAY AND THIS IS WHAT'S LEFT THERE NOW.
THIS IS WHAT THAT'S ANOTHER PICTURE OF TODAY.
AND THERE IS A FOR SALE SIGN HERE.
NOW, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS WHAT THE OVERGROWTH COVERED.
SO. IT'S JUST PICTURES OF BEING FOR SALE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT YOU DON'T SEE HERE.
SO SHE HAS BEEN AFTER MY URGING HER TO KEEP THE PLACE CUT.
SHE HAS COME INTO COMPLIANCE SEVERAL TIMES, YOU KNOW, WITH ME ASKING HER TO CUT IT.
HE TRIES TO GO EVERY TWO WEEKS TO CUT.
IT KIND OF GETS OUT OF HAND, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE.
JUST AS AS WE PROCEED, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, WHY DON'T YOU AT LEAST GO TO THE PODIUM NOW? IS THAT OKAY? STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
OKAY. SO YOU FINISH THIS? YES. I JUST WANT. I WON'T TALK.
BUT THERE'S CROSS CONVERSATION AND I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO SHOW WHO IT IS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU THOSE PICTURES.
WE OPENED THIS CASE, AND LIKE I SAID, SEPTEMBER 20TH, 2022, I OBSERVED THIS VACANT LOT.
IT WAS OVERGROWN AND ALL THE STORAGE OF THE MATERIALS.
THE NEXT DAY, WE MAILED A CERTIFIED LETTER TO MISS SHAW, GIVING HER 30 DAYS, WHICH THAT'S NORMAL.
OUR NORMAL PROCEDURE, 30 DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS.
THE RETURN RECEIPT WAS RETURNED WITH HER SIGNATURE, GIVING US PROPER SERVICE.
SO THEN THERE WAS SOME TIME THAT WENT BY.
1026 WE PERFORMED AN INSPECTION.
THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
AT 1128 OF THAT SAME YEAR, 2022, I PERFORMED ANOTHER FIELD INSPECTION.
THE PROPERTY WAS CUT AND OF ALL THE OVERGROWTH, THE OUTSIDE STORAGE WAS STILL THERE.
SO THEN 425 OF 23 I CONDUCTED A FOLLOW UP INSPECTION BECAUSE I HAD BEEN WORKING WITH MISS SHAW TRYING TO GET THIS THESE ITEMS REMOVED AND THIS LOT CLEANED.
AND BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE DEMOLITION HAS NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN FINALIZED.
SO THE BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE DEMOLITION IS ACTUALLY EXPIRED AND IT AND IT WAS NEVER FINALIZED.
SO APRIL 25TH, I CONDUCTED A FOLLOW UP INSPECTION.
THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION OF THE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
ON JULY 12TH, ANOTHER INSPECTION WAS CONDUCTED TO FIND OUT THE SAME VIOLATION.
721 WE GOT THE RETURN RECEIPT BACK SHOWING THAT WE HAD PROPER SERVICE.
WE DID AN INSPECTION ON SEVEN 2423 AND THE PROPERTY, THE OUTSIDE STORE WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
829 WE PERFORMED A PRE AGENDA INSPECTION SHOWING THE PROPERTY STILL AT THAT TIME I THINK IT WAS STILL OVERGROWN, IT WAS OVERGROWN AGAIN AND THE DEMO ITEMS WERE STILL ON THE GROUND. SO THEN IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, SIX MISS SHAW, I CALLED MISS SHAW, THE FORMER, THAT THE HEARING WAS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WAS SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE AGENDA NEXT OR LAST MONTH.
BUT WE WERE TRYING TO GET SAL DURING THAT TIME PERIOD TO COME TESTIFY.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE RECORD, CAN WE IDENTIFY WHO SAL IS? SAL CARMELA IS OUR HISTORIC HCC PLANNER, AND HE WAS UNABLE TO COME TO THAT MEETING.
SO WE WE POSTPONED THAT MEETING UNTIL TONIGHT.
AND AS OF LAST WEEK, WE HE WAS COMMITTED TO COMING TONIGHT.
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BUT LIKE I SAID, FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER, HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT.I GUESS THAT WAS ONE OF HER CLERKS RIGHT AT THE FRONT.
LET ME ASK YOU, MR. WELLS, WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF MR. CARMELA'S TESTIMONY? WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT WAS SAID IN THE INITIAL CONVERSATION.
WHICH INITIAL CONVERSATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY WENT FOR THE HCC PREVIOUSLY.
BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I SEE NO MENTION OF ANYTHING ABOUT OUTSIDE STORAGE OF ANY OF THESE MATERIALS.
DID SAY IN THE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WANTED THE STUFF SALVAGED OR RECYCLED, BUT THEY ALSO WANTED A BUILDING PERMIT IN PLACE ALSO.
SO SO BUT HIS TESTIMONY, MR. CAMILLO, WOULD HAVE TESTIFIED AS TO WHAT WENT ON AT THE HDC MEETING.
AND THEN I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR MICHELLE ABOUT THE WHAT HER INTENTIONS WERE WITH THE PROPERTY AND DID THEY CHANGE OVER OVER THE TIME PERIOD BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OR ANY OF THESE MATERIALS FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND HAVE SOME HISTORIC VALUE? WELL, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ALL THESE ALL THESE MEMBERS ARE FROM THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
IT WAS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
IT'S HOW CAN WE VOTE ON THIS OR SHOULD WE DEFER THIS TO WHEN MR. CAMILLA CAN? WELL, WHY DON'T WE HEAR WHERE WHERE WE ARE? AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT YOU WANT TO NEED MORE EVIDENCE OR YOU NEED HIS TESTIMONY, THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS I THINK IT'D BE PRUDENT TO HEAR MORE EVIDENCE AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO GO ON MY.
OKAY. I THINK YOU KNOW WHERE I'M HEADED, BUT GO AHEAD.
OKAY. YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? YES. I'M RHONDA SHAW AND MY HOME ADDRESS IS 1011 SOUTH FLETCHER AVENUE.
WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE FOR MY DAUGHTER AND HER HUSBAND ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 2018.
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A HOUSE, A HISTORIC HOME.
I HAD RESTORED A HOUSE AT 215 AMELIA STREET AND LIVED THERE FOR A TIME PERIOD.
AND WE ALL LOVED OLD TOWN AND HAD HOPED TO DO THE SAME WITH THIS HOUSE.
BUT AFTER WE GOT IN THERE, WE WE KNEW THAT IT WASN'T A GREAT HOUSE, BUT IT WAS REALLY, REALLY OLD AND HAD A REALLY CUTE FACADE, IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER IT FROM THE OUTSIDE. BUT IT WAS COVERED WITH AS THEY WERE MODERNIZED WITH CARPET AND PANELING INSIDE AND SO FORTH.
AND SO AFTER WE TOOK OFF, PULLED UP THE CARPET AND STARTED TAKING DOWN THE PANELING, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ROOF HAD LEAKED OVER THE YEARS AND THE TERMITES HAD GOTTEN IN AND THEY LITERALLY HAD EATEN RIGHT UP TO THE EDGES OF EVERYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE IT WAS DISAPPOINTING AND WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE WHAT TO DO, BUT WE GOT SOME JOHN COTNER WAS LIVING AT THE TIME AND WE GOT AN ENGINEER AND SOME PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT COULD BE DONE, WHETHER IT COULD BE SAVED.
AND THE COST WAS ASTRONOMICAL AND IT WAS JUST MORE TO DO THAN TO SAVE THE HOUSE.
I'M NOT A TEARDOWN PERSON, BUT WE HAD TO.
SO IT TOOK A WHILE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, COVID HAPPENED.
AND HIS REQUEST WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT COULD BE SAVED TO REBUILD INTO A NEW STRUCTURE BE SALVAGED.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST PILE A BUNCH OF STUFF ALL OVER THE LOT.
MY SON IN LAW LITERALLY WENT THROUGH EACH PIECE AND CHECKED IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A TERMITE DAMAGE OR IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, OLD HEART PINE OR WHATEVER, IT COULD BE SAVED.
OR THEY USE SOME OF THE RUSTY METAL INSIDE.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT COULD BE CUTE IN SOME OF THE INSTANCES.
BUT WE FINALLY THREW ALL THAT AWAY BECAUSE WE DECIDED TO KEEP JUST THE VERY NECESSITIES.
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SO WHAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE? WHAT WE HAVE NOW ARE SOME ONE STACK IN THE BACK, WHICH I THINK MAYBE WE CAN SEE.THIS IS WHEN IT WAS THAT WAS OUR I HAVE TO GIVE ONE THING.
MY SON IN LAW IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS CUT HIS FINGER OFF.
SO SOME OF THIS WAS DURING THAT, BUT THIS WAS INITIALLY WHEN THE HOUSE WAS FIRST TAKEN DOWN.
RIGHT NOW TO MY WHAT I THINK IS WE HAVE ALL THESE HEART PINE BEAMS STILL SAVED.
SO THEY FOUND A HOUSE ON THE SOUTH END THAT THEY EVENTUALLY BOUGHT.
WE THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT GO AHEAD AND BUILD A HOUSE THERE.
WE STILL AREN'T OPPOSED TO IT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE AND THEY HAD A SECOND BABY AND THEY JUST COULDN'T WAIT FOR ALL THIS TO KEEP HAPPENING, THEY WE PUT A SIGN OUT THERE.
I THINK WE PUT IT OUT THERE ABOUT 3 OR 4 MONTHS AGO.
I HAVE HAD A LADY FROM BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS, VERY INTERESTED.
SHE LOST A LOT IN OLD TOWN LAST YEAR AND SHE'S BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN IT.
BUT SHE SAID SHE WAS INTERESTED IN REUSING THE BRICKS FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH OF IT FOR A HOUSE BECAUSE IN BOSTON THEY APPRECIATE THE OLD MATERIALS AND SHE WOULD TRY TO RECYCLE IT.
I'M NOT WAITING FOR HER BECAUSE SHE'S TRYING TO SELL PROPERTY UP THERE.
BUT IF SOMEONE ELSE CAME ALONG AND WANTED TO USE IT.
THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION.
NOW, WHEN WE GOT THE LETTER ABOUT COMING TO THIS THE FIRST TIME, WHICH WAS POSTPONED, I WENT TO SAL AT HIS OFFICE AND I SAID, SAL, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THE ONE WHO WANTED US TO SAVE ALL THIS MATERIAL, AND NOW WE'RE BEING ASKED TO JUST GET RID OF IT ALL.
AND HE SAID, HE SAID TO ME AND THAT'S WHY I WAS HOPING HE'D BE HERE, BECAUSE I NEED HIS TESTIMONY THAT HE WAS OKAY WITH IT STILL BEING THERE IF IT WAS NEATLY STACKED AND SO FORTH. AND UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE TO VERIFY THAT.
BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO JUST BLATANTLY STORE A BUNCH OF STUFF ON A LOT.
WE COULD HAVE THROWN IT ALL AWAY.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO HONOR WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY ASKED TO DO.
OKAY. AND WHAT YOU WERE ORIGINALLY ASKED TO DO AT THE HPC HEARING WITH SAL SALVAGE AS MUCH OF THE MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE TO REUSE IN A STRUCTURE, WE HAVE A DRAWING OF A STRUCTURE WHERE IT COULD BE REUSED.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO REASON TO THROW THOSE 200 YEAR OLD BRICKS AWAY.
EXCUSE ME, MA'AM. WHO DETERMINES WHETHER THE WOOD IS SALVAGEABLE? WELL, I MEAN, IS IT TERMITES OR NO TERMITES? I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT.
MY SON IN LAW'S A CONTRACTOR, SO HE PRETTY MUCH KNEW.
AND AND THEY JUST MADE STACKS IN THE BEGINNING.
BUT THEN WE JUST STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND REALIZING THAT IT PROBABLY WASN'T.
SO IT'S REALLY THE LONG BEAMS. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER STACK OF OF WOOD THAT IS PROBABLY SIDING BECAUSE, AS HE SAID, AS THE THE MOST OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS STILL USABLE WAS REALLY FROM THE ATTIC UP REALLY.
BUT IT WAS BEAUTIFUL UP THERE.
IF YOU LOOKED IN THE ATTIC, IT WAS GORGEOUS.
MR. CAMILLA BEEN OUT AT THE SITE? YES, HE WAS OUT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S BEEN THERE LATELY, BUT HE WAS THERE MANY TIMES.
WE USED TO HAVE WHEN IT WAS BEING TAKEN DOWN FORENSICALLY.
MR. TILSON, I THINK, IS HE STILL WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, WAS COMING TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT HE WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING REALLY SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE.
IT WAS REALLY KIND OF LIKE A BARN INSIDE WHEN IT GOT TAKEN DOWN, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME BEAMS. BUT EVEN MOST OF THE REALLY COOL NOTCHED ONES WERE ALL TERMITE INFESTED.
SO THOSE WEREN'T THE ONES THAT WERE SAVED.
THOSE PEOPLE WHO KNOW. BILL TILSON IS A RETIRED PROFESSOR FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WHO.
HIS AVOCATION IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
EXACTLY. AND HE CAME MULTIPLE TIMES AS THE HOUSE WAS BEING TAKEN DOWN, LIKE THROUGH DIFFERENT PHASES TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT AND I'M SURE HE HAS NOTES ABOUT THAT THAT I THINK HE WAS GOING TO PASS ON TO SAL THAT, THAT I'M NOT SURE.
BUT THAT WAS WHAT WE DID WAS JUST HE WOULD COME.
JUST TO RECAP, OBVIOUSLY SAL REQUESTED THAT YOU SAVE TO RECYCLE THIS, WHICH THAT'S AWESOME.
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I LOVE THAT. BUT IN THAT EFFORT, WHY WAS NO COVERINGS OR ANYTHING USED TO TRY TO COVER THE WOOD OR ANY OF THE HARDWARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, IT'S JUST WOOD. I MEAN, IT'S WOOD BEAMS AND I GUESS WE COULD COVER IT WITH SOME TARPS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.IT SITS ON, THEY'RE SITTING ON THEY'RE NOT LAYING RIGHT ON THE GROUND.
THEY'RE ON, HE HAS THEM ON BLOCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY'RE NOT SITTING RIGHT ON THE GROUND, BUT THEY'RE WERE AS.
IS THIS ALL THAT'S LEFT NOW? YEAH, THIS IS WHAT'S LEFT.
OTHER THAN THE BRICK. YEAH, THIS IS ALL.
BUT THESE ARE THE REALLY LONG BEAMS BACK HERE.
AND THIS IS BASICALLY SOME SIDE.
I GUESS WE COULD MOVE IT ALL TO THE VERY BACK.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE.
I DO HAVE A PLACE THAT I CAN MOVE IT TO STORAGE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BE OUTSIDE STORAGE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT I DON'T HAVE A BUILDING TO PUT IT IN.
FOR ONE THING. DOES IT HAVE TO REMAIN IN OLD TOWN OR CAN ANY BUILDER WHO'S BUILDING A HOME ON THE ISLAND USE THIS PRODUCT? I MEAN, IT FEELS IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE RESTRICTING THE USE OF OF THIS MATERIAL, WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I MEAN I MEAN, I HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT WOULD TAKE ALL THE THE BRICKS IF WE DECIDE THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE, THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY THERE, SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD TAKE ALL THE BRICKS EASILY.
BUT I DON'T I MEAN I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHETHER THEY WOULD CARE IF IT WENT TO ANOTHER PLACE.
ALL ITEMS GET REPURPOSED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
THEY WANTED IT TO BE ALLOCATED TO THE SIDE AND LEFT FOR FUTURE USE.
BUT NOWHERE DID I SEE THAT IT THAT IT HAD TO BE ON THIS SITE HERE.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT WHEN IT GETS OVERGROWN, IT BECOMES A NUISANCE.
CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ON EACH SIDE HAD TO LIVE WITH? WITH THIS THING BEING THREE AND FOUR FOOT TALL? IT'S GRASS.
AND YOU KNOW, ALL THAT MOISTURE IN THAT GRASS WITH ALL THIS STUFF BEING COVERED AND THEN NOT THERE'S NONE OF THIS WOOD IS PROTECTED, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WEATHERED EVEN FURTHER THAN WHEN IT WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST TAKEN OUT OF THE HOUSE.
SO MY BIG TURNING POINT IN THIS CASE WAS WHEN SHE PUT IT UP FOR SALE, WHEN SHE PUT IT UP FOR SALE, THAT KIND OF INDICATED TO ME THAT HER PLANS TO BUILD A STRUCTURE THERE WAS KIND OF OVER AND DONE.
YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT BE MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENTION EVER WAS.
SO WE WERE GOING TO SELL THE LOT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO COULD DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF THE MATERIALS WERE THERE FOR THEM TO USE FOR IT, THAT'S FINE.
AS I SAID, WE WE JUST HONORED, BELIEVE ME, WE WOULD HAVE REALLY LOVED TO COME IN THERE WITH THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE LOVED TO DO THAT.
WE HAD TO DO THIS IN, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO IT.
WE KIND OF WERE CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE STRUCTURE WAS GOING TO LOOK WHEN IT WAS TAKEN APART, TOO.
BUT IT WAS A LOT MORE TIME, A LOT MORE MONEY AND A LOT MORE DUMPSTERS TO DO IT THAT WAY.
SO LET ME ASK MR. WELLS A QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT 50109F, IF MY HEAD WAS BEFORE.
WHICH IS OUTSIDE STORAGE, ETCETERA, SHALL BE MAINTAINED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY MANNER.
IS THERE A WAY TO CONSOLIDATE THIS MATERIAL ON THE PROPERTY? SO IT IS NEAT AND ORDERLY, WHATEVER THAT MAY MEAN.
[INAUDIBLE] SHE IS OR HER WHOEVER DID THE WORK.
ACTUALLY, HE HAS DONE A DECENT JOB WITH WITH ORGANIZING THIS.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST STROLLING AROUND, BUT ONE OF MY BIGGEST APPREHENSIONS IS THIS IF SHE WAS TO SELL THIS PROPERTY AND LET'S JUST SAY SOME AND WE DON'T KNOW, HAVE ANY IDEA WHO'S GOING TO BUY IT, BUT IF SOMEBODY BUYS IT, SO WHAT IF THEY BUY IT AND THEY WANT TO USE IT FOR INVESTMENT AND THEY SIT ON IT FOR 15 YEARS? WE DON'T WANT THIS LOOKING LIKE THIS FOR 15.
THE PRESERVATION OFFICE AND THE HTC WANTED TO PRESERVE ALL THESE MATERIALS.
AT LEAST IN THE SHORT TERM, IF THAT'S ORGANIZED.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THAT WOULD IS PROBABLY WHAT THE INTENTION WAS.
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I DON'T THINK THAT THIS THING WAS WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO FIGURED IT WOULD GO ON THIS LONG.WELL, SAL'S NEVER MADE A PIECE OF HEART PINE THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW.
ACTUALLY, SAL SAID HE MIGHT WANT SOME OF IT.
WE GAVE ALL THE WE GAVE ALL THE FRONT PORCH BEAMS AND ALL THAT TO THE.
I THINK WE GAVE THEM TO THE CITY TO USE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.
AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE SALVAGE ABILITY OF OF THESE HISTORIC ITEMS. I DO, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE HISTORIC VALUE, BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
BUT MY LIKE I SAID, MY APPREHENSION IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE STILL IN VIOLATION OF THE LDC BECAUSE THIS IS OUTSIDE STORAGE AND IT'S NOT CONCEALED FROM VIEW.
BUT WHEN THE CASE WAS OPENED, IT IT LOOKED A LOT, LOT, LOT WORSE.
MR. WELLS, WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS YOUR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE MATERIALS BECAUSE WE GO BACK TO THE PERMIT FOR THE PERMIT.
IT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE ALL THE DEMO DEBRIS REMOVED AND GRADED.
THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REQUIRES.
AND THAT AND THAT FINAL FOR THAT DEMOLITION ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE REOPENED AND AND THEN THE FINAL BEING DONE.
SO THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ALL THAT STUFF TO BE REMOVED ANYWAY.
AND BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC AND WE'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION, DOES IT HAVE TO STAY WITH THAT PROPERTY OR WHERE IS HE SUPPOSED TO PUT IT? WELL, EVERYTHING THAT I LOOKED AT AS FAR AS THE THE PAPERWORK, I LOOKED AT IT.
I NEVER SAW ANYTHING THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT IT HAD TO STAY ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO DO YOU THINK THEY THEIR INTENTION WAS FOR US TO DEMOLITION IT AND PUT IT ON TRAILERS AND TAKE IT SOMEWHERE AND STORE IT? WELL, I THINK THAT THE ORIGINAL IF YOU WERE AND I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THERE AND LIKE IN HIS STAFF REPORT, HE HE DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT UNTIL A BUILDING PERMIT WAS IN PLACE.
BUT THAT'S BUT BUT ONE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS WE I THINK HIS INTENTION WAS THAT, OKAY, WE DEMO THE PLACE, WE SAVED THESE MATERIALS.
SHE GETS A SOME PLANS AND GETS THEM APPROVED.
THESE PRODUCTS CAN BE USED IN THE HOUSE AND WE CAN GO FORWARD.
AND SO WE'RE AT THIS POINT YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THAT WE HAVE A NUISANCE AND OUTSIDE STORAGE.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR HER TO TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY SOMEWHERE.
TO DO THAT, I'M GOING TO JUST GET RID OF IT.
I MEAN, IT WON'T BE IT WON'T BE RECYCLED.
WE'LL SELL IT TO SOMEBODY OR GET RID OF IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE WON'T RECYCLE IT INTO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE'RE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO GO RENT A STORAGE BUILDING FOR THIS MATERIAL AND.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE LIKE WHEN I RESTORED MY HOUSE AT 215, AMELIA STREET, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME WAS A CONTRACTOR THAT STORED MATERIALS ON HIS LITTLE LOT.
BUT NOW THAT'S NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT WORKING WITH US.
IT'S JUST THAT I FELT SORT OF AT ODDS AS TO WHERE TO PUT THE STUFF IF WE DIDN'T IF WE DIDN'T USE IT THERE, WHERE WOULD WE DO IT? JUST LOAD IT UP AND TAKE IT WHERE? YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S VERY COMMENDABLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE.
I REALLY DO. AND AND I THINK IT, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM SAL OR ELSE JUST CALL LIKE, ECO RELICS IN JACKSONVILLE.
WELL, THAT'S TRUE. I DID THINK ABOUT THEM AND SEE WHETHER THEY WANTED TO JUST COME TAKE IT ALL AWAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY DID MY PRICE FOR IT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, RIGHT? 16 FOOT LONG HEART PINE BEAMS, AND IT'S A PERFECT PLACE TO TAKE THEM.
AND THEY PROBABLY WOULD FIND PEOPLE TO USE IT.
OKAY. BUT WOULD JUST ALLOW THE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT TO BE CLOSED OUT.
ALL THE ITEMS WERE REMOVED AND THEN GRADED, WHICH IT DON'T NEED A LOT OF GRADING, BUT A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN LET ME LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
WHEN WAS THE WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU AND SAL HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, WELL, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO I WENT TO HIM A FEW WEEKS BEFORE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO COME LAST TIME AND ASK HIM IF HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE MATERIALS STILL BEING THERE.
AND AT THAT POINT, HE SAID HE. DID NOT.
SO I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO COME TO TALK WITH ME THE LAST MEETING, AND THEN HE COULDN'T MAKE IT.
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SO I WAS KIND OF COUNTING ON HIM TO BE HERE THIS TIME.AND IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HDC HEARING, THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS FORENSIC TAKEDOWN WAS GOING TO KEEP THE WHATEVER WAS FORENSICALLY GOOD? NICELY SAID, YES, IT WAS GOING TO JUST BE MAINTAINED AT THAT PROPERTY.
IF THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN OBVIOUSLY I WOULD HAVE TRIED TO.
BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU JUST CAN'T PUT ANY MATERIALS.
I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS OLD TOWN AND ITS HISTORIC.
AND THE OTHER ONE I HAVE IS NOT HISTORIC.
AND BUT APPARENTLY YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON A LOT ANYWHERE.
SO IT'S JUST I FEEL BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
I HATE TO JUST GET RID OF IT, BUT MAYBE CALLING SOMEBODY LIKE YOU GO RELICS WOULD BE THE THE ANSWER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THE STUFF WILL STAY ON THAT LOT.
BUT NICOLE, YOU HAD A MOTION AT ONE TIME.
I DID. I HAVE A MOTION THAT WE DELAY THIS UNTIL SAL CAN BE PRESENT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION.
AND I PERSONALLY SUGGEST YOU REACH OUT TO HIM IN THE MEANTIME TO RESOLVE THIS.
WELL, COME ON, LET'S BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARTICULAR.
BUT MISS TAMMY, HOW DO WE KNOW WHEN SAL'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE? I MEAN, WHY DOES COUNCIL HAVE TO COME? WHY CAN'T HE JUST GO BEFORE THEM WITH SOMETHING IN WRITING? HE CAN DO THAT. WELL, I THINK PART OF NICOLE'S MOTION.
SHOULD WE. BUT SHOULD WE TAKE A RECESS? NO, NO, NO.
WE DON'T NEED IF SHE WOULD COME TO THE PODIUM.
BUT I'D LIKE TO TRY TO HELP FIRST, IF THAT'S OKAY.
OKAY. I HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE. SO THERE ARE TWO THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT MS..
BACH HAS SUGGESTED FOR THE MOTION, WHICH IS ON THE FLOOR, FOR THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
EITHER WE MOVE AND POSTPONE THIS HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN WHEN WE EXPECT MR. CAMILLO TO BE HERE, AND THAT WOULD BE COMMUNICATED TO HIM, OR WE MOVE TO TABLE AND THE NEXT TIME THAT COMES UP IS WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO OR WE BRING IT, WE, WE CAN ASSIGN A NEW CASE NUMBER AND IT CAN COME BACK TO YOU THAT WAY.
WE HAVE OUR WAYS TO WE HAVE OUR WAYS OF IGNITING THINGS.
THAT WAS MY PERSONAL RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH, BUT WHAT IF MR. SAL HAS SOME THOUGHTS THAT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE HOMEOWNER, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT HAS TO STAY. CAN MS..
CRESSY WITHDRAW HER MOTION WHILE I WITHDRAW? MY MOTION CAN ALWAYS BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS WERE YOU SPEAKING? I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT.
AND I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY, MORE SO THAN I REALLY HAVE EVER DONE BEFORE, IS TO SAY I DO NOT THINK EVEN IF YOU ALL WERE GOING TO FIND A VIOLATION AND THEN PUT FINES IN PLACE, WHICH ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
WE KNOW OUR BOARD AND CAN HEAR FROM YOUR DISCUSSION.
I WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD NOT FINE HER ANYTHING TONIGHT.
AT MOST YOU COULD FIND A VIOLATION.
LET ME PLEASE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
YOU HAVE TO READ AND I KNOW THIS TOO, FROM PRACTICE IN THE CITY HERE FOR 16 YEARS.
OUTSIDE STORAGE IS NOT ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, PERIOD.
AND THEN HERE IT ALLOWS IT IN COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES.
AND I KNOW YOUR CASE IS VERY SPECIAL.
I'LL GET TO THAT. SO WHAT IT'S SAYING HERE IS THAT IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STORING OUTSIDE THESE MATERIALS, OUTSIDE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND IF IT WERE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL, YOU COULD STORE IT WITH SCREENING.
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THAT'S WHAT THE SCREENING MEANS.IF YOU ARE NEXT DOOR TO RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
NOW, IN YOUR SPECIAL HISTORIC CASE, IT WAS NEVER INTENDED.
I ATTEND ALL THOSE HPC MEETINGS TO HAVE THINGS STORED OUTSIDE INDEFINITELY OR FOR YEARS.
THAT'S THAT'S HOW THIS WORKED OUT.
SO HERE WE HAVE HISTORIC DISTRICT HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
PARTS OF OUR CODE ARE KIND OF IN CONFLICT WITH THIS PART OF OUR CODE ABOUT OUTSIDE STORAGE.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY A VIOLATION OF THESE OUTSIDE STORAGE, BUT IT WOULD NOT BE FAIR TO PROCEED THAT WAY BECAUSE SHE IS RELYING ON THE CITY STAFF DIRECTING HER WHO IS NOT HERE TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, THAT THESE MATERIALS NEED TO BE KEPT.
BUT IF HE DOESN'T RESPOND, WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN.
WE'RE BACK HERE AGAIN. AND I THINK HE NEEDS A WRITTEN RESPONSE.
BUT AND THERE COULD BE A TIME AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH SAL.
BUT IF WE HAVE THE CASE WHERE THE CITY STAFF JUST DIDN'T SHOW UP, GOT HIT BY A BUS, WHATEVER IS.
I THINK THE OVERRIDING THING THAT YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS THERE COMPLAINING THESE GUYS AREN'T GOING AROUND LOOKING FOR THIS STUFF, OKAY? THEY DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT IT AND THEY WANT IT GONE.
RIGHT. OLD TOWN IS JUST ABUZZ WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT AND NEW RESIDENTS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. SO WHAT DO WE DO? WELL, THE HDC INTENDS FOR THESE THINGS TO BE KEPT, BUT THEY COULD BE REALLY KEPT ANYWHERE.
IS THERE SUPPOSED TO BE REUSED? AND I WOULD THINK SAL WOULD SAY, AND YOU HAVE A HISTORIC HOME, ADAM.
THEY NEED TO BE REUSED IN OUR TOWN, OLD TOWN PREFERABLY, AND MOST PREFERABLY ON THAT SITE.
BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR SAL.
WHAT WAS IN THE MINDS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HPC OR SAL DURING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A CHARACTER TO THE OLD TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE LIKE THINGS CERTAIN WAYS, BUT.
SO WE'RE BACK. WE'RE BACK TO THE TWO MOTIONS.
WE POSTPONED THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING AND MAKE A SPECIFIC REQUEST THAT SHALL COME BEFORE US.
CAN CAN I ASK A QUESTION OF THE CITY? BECAUSE I THINK THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM HAS DONE THIS IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WOULD BE HERE.
AND IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT HE'S NOT WHAT IS EASIEST FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AND IF NOT, IT'S ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM TO DEFER TO A LATER DATE.
MICHELLE FORSSTRÖM CODE ENFORCEMENT ROOM.
CODE ENFORCEMENT. CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPUTY DIRECTOR.
SO AFTER OFFICER WELLS HAD TALKED TO MISS RHONDA, WE HAD A MEETING WITH MR. CARMELA WANTING TO KNOW WHAT TOOK PLACE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.
AND I KNOW THIS IS HEARSAY, BUT IT'S ALLOWED.
SO HE SAID THAT WHAT HE STATED WAS THAT, YES, HE WANTS IT TO BE SALVAGED, BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TELL YOU THAT YOU COULD KEEP IT ON YOUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS TRUE.
SO THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH HIM.
AND AT THAT POINT, OF COURSE, HE WAS GOING TO BE HERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU IF, WHEN OR LIKE I SAID, IF HE WILL, HE WILL BE HERE.
WE HAVE HAD ISSUES IN THE PAST TRYING TO GET HIM HERE TO TESTIFY ON OTHER THINGS.
SO THERE JUST BECOMES UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
THE BOARD HAS SUBPOENA POWERS AND THEY DO.
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BUT YOU HAVE TO ISSUE THE BOARD SUBPOENA HERE.AND BEFORE WE GO, THIS IS A SMALL TOWN.
SO HE'S NOT DOING IT TO BE MEAN OR TO BE OBSTRUCTING OR ANYTHING.
IT'S JUST THINGS JUST KEEP HAPPENING TO.
TO PREVENT HIM FROM BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE HIS WORKLOAD.
I KNOW HIM AND I KNOW BILL TILSON AND I KNOW THOSE FOLKS.
BUT IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH OTHER THINGS.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU WILL FOR SURE GET HIM HERE.
MISS RHONDA IS ON THE HOOK UNTIL WE GET MR. SELL SO WELL.
AND THAT COULD. THAT COULD BE A LONG TIME.
WELL, THAT'S AGGRAVATING FOR IT IS.
AND IT'S AGGRAVATING FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
IS IT? THE WILL OF THE BOARD? AND LOOK, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
HE CAN ASK HIM IF HE CAN BE HERE.
AND IF HE REFUSES TO BE HERE, THEN WE CAN ISSUE A SUBPOENA SOMEHOW.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S RIGHT THERE NEXT DOOR.
CAN HE ZOOM IN DIRECTLY THIS WAY? YEAH, HE CAN ZOOM IN.
ZOOM IN. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO SET IT UP.
IF YOU WANT A VIRTUAL APPEARANCE, THAT WOULD BE.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOO MUCH.
OR IF NECESSARY, I'LL ASK THE BOARD IF SINCE MR. KELLY'S WORKDAY TENDS TO END AT 5:00, IF WE NEEDED TO MEET AT 4:00 TO RESOLVE THIS ONE, WOULD ANYBODY OBJECT TO THAT QUESTION? CAN YOURSELF AND TAMMY AND YOU TO SIT WITH HIM TO DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT ALL OF US SO THAT CAN BE DONE QUICKER? COWARD.
YOU CAN ACCEPT A WRITTEN STATEMENT.
I CAN'T GO INTO ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL THE HISTORIC ASPECT KIND OF NEW TO ME.
SO WHAT IF MISS RHONDA JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE? SHE LEAVES THIS MEETING AND SAYS, I'VE HAD IT.
I'M GOING TO HAVE THAT STUFF OUT OF HERE, WHETHER IT'S ECO RELICS OR WHATEVER.
IS DOES SHE FACE ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR DOING THAT? NO, SHE GETS I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
SHE'S DONE EVERYTHING THAT SHE'S BEEN ASKED TO DO.
YOU KNOW, TO ME, SHE'S GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS GUY, SAL.
BUT IF HE ISN'T AS INTERESTED AS HE MADE IT SEEM LIKE HE WOULD BE, AND SHE'S KEPT THIS STUFF.
AND NOBODY'S HELPING OUT ON THIS, YOU KNOW.
LET THE HOMEOWNER DO WITH THE MATERIAL WHAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO DO.
BUT HE REALLY WANTED TO SAVE IT.
NOW, SHE SAID THAT'S WHAT HE SAID TO ME IN THOSE WORDS.
BUT HE'S THE ONE WHO REQUIRED US TO SAVE IT ORIGINALLY.
WE'VE BEEN SAVING IT, NOW APPARENTLY WE'RE IN THIS VIOLATION.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS, AND I DON'T WANT HIM TO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT IT TO SEEM AS IF HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB BECAUSE HE DOES A JOB VERY WELL AND HE DOES CARE AND HE DOES CARE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'LL BE. THERE IS A IN THIS COMMUNITY, THERE IS A WANT AND A DESIRE TO SUPPORT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THOSE MATERIALS AND THE BRICK, ETCETERA ARE VALUABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
I AGREE. AND SAL'S OFFICE AND THE BOYS AND GIRLS ON THE MAYBE ONLY BOYS AT THIS POINT ON THE HDC ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND RATHER THAN GOING OFF HEATED AT THIS POINT AND SAY, LET'S JUST TOSS ALL THIS STUFF, THERE OUGHT TO BE A WAY TO WORK IT OUT.
TO KEEP IT. OR AT LEAST TO ATTEMPT TO KEEP IT IN.
IN OUR CITY, WE HAVE A LOVELY LADY, MARY HAMBURG, WHO DOES OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.
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AMONGST OTHER THINGS, WE HAVE WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION IN THE PAPER THAT IS AVAILABLE TO US.SO WHY DON'T WE PUT IT OUT THERE THAT THESE MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE TO STAY WITHIN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, TO BE TO BE USED IN CONSTRUCTION OR.
WELL, ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY WOULD WOULD THAT I THINK I MEAN, IT'S WORTH A SHOT.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.
RONDA HAS GONE THROUGH EXPENSE TO SAVE THIS WOOD.
BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
I MEAN, I HAVE SOMEONE THAT WOULD TAKE ALL THE BRICK.
AND SO THERE'S ENOUGH FOR THAT TO HAVE A MARKET FOR HISTORIC.
I MEAN, SO BUT I MEAN, I KNOW SOMEONE WHO DOES LIVE IN THE CITY, NOT IN A HISTORIC HOME, BUT WHO WOULD END UP WITH ALL THE BRICK AND IT WOULD STAY IN THE CITY SO THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. IT'S JUST THE BEAMS. OF COURSE, THOSE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY PLANE IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK.
SO DON'T YOU NEED ANY HISTORIC STUFF? I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD A THIRD PLACE.
DID YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE? WELL, COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.
COME TO THE PODIUM. I MEAN, JUST I THINK HE SAID WHAT HE HAD TO SAY, THOUGH.
YEAH. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ON THE RECORD.
NO. WHAT'D HE SAY? HE SAID, I AM VERY INTERESTED IN THIS STUFF.
THAT'S A NICE THING. SO I'M GOING TO.
YOU DON'T NEED ME. NO, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD OR CITY POTENTIALLY HAVE ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? FOR WHERE THIS MATERIAL COULD GO JUST IN CASE.
VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE STARTED HERE TO TO ENSURE THAT IT FINDS A HOME HERE.
ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS WITH SOME OF OUR.
I'VE LISTENED AND LISTENED AND LISTENED.
UH, THIS THESE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE VERY VALUABLE.
IF THE CITY IS SO BENT ON KEEPING THIS STUFF HERE, IS THERE A PLACE THAT THE CITY COULD STORE THIS? THERE ACTUALLY IS.
IT'S WHERE THE BRICK FROM CENTER STREET WENT.
YEAH, THERE'S DEFINITELY MISS RHONDA.
CAN YOU SELL IT? WELL, I HAVEN'T.
WE HAVEN'T ATTEMPTED TO SELL IT.
BUT, I MEAN, WE WE DONATED SOME THINGS TO THE CITY, SO IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD JUST DONATE THAT MATERIAL TO THE CITY IF THEY HAD A PLACE TO KEEP IT. THAT'S MY PROBLEM, IS THAT I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO JUST TAKE IT.
BUT THE CITY, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE A SPOT FOR IT ALL.
WELL, THINK CAN I MAKE A MOTION? A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS ON THIS.
THE CITY COULD EASILY TAKE CARE OF THE TIMBERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE JUST MOVING THEM TO ANOTHER PILE.
MATTHEW SELLS NAME IN VAIN IN THIS THING, POSSIBLY SELL.
AND BILL TILSON, BY THE WAY, MAY HAVE A PLACE FOR THOSE TIMBERS TO GO.
I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING IT UP AS WE GO ALONG RIGHT NOW.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION? WE HAVE TO TRY ANOTHER MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT MISS ARANDA DISPOSE OF THIS THESE ITEMS, EITHER BY SELLING OR DONATING TO WHOMEVER SHE WISHES IN ORDER FOR HER TO CLOSE OUT THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
I DON'T THINK I'M HAVING SAL HERE WOULD WOULD HELP.
SO I DON'T THAT'S NOT A MOTION, BUT I DON'T THINK THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE IT TWO MONTHS AND FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO USE HER BEST DEVICES TO DISPOSE OF THE MATERIALS SO SHE CAN CLOSE OUT THE DEMO PERMIT.
AS FAR AS THE CITY STANCE AND MY BOSS, SHE CAN OVERRIDE ME IF I SPEAK OUT OF TURN.
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I WOULD LIKE FOR THE BOARD TO FIND HER IN VIOLATION OF THIS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THIS OUTSIDE STORAGE.THEN YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE DO THAT, WHATEVER AFTER THAT POINT BECAUSE IT IS IN VIOLATION.
SO I'LL ADD THAT TO MY MOTION.
SO I HEARD HIM SAY SOMETHING CONTRARY TO THAT.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM, I SAID.
IT IS MY OPINION, A LEGAL OPINION.
IT IS A VIOLATION OF OUR OUTSIDE STORAGE, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND IT'S BORDERED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ANY FINES ON ANY OF THE MOTIONS.
DO I HAVE TO ADD THAT TO MY MOTION? NO. FINES? YES. NO FINES.
OKAY. SO NO FINES, NO ADMINISTRATION FEES AS WELL.
IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD? AND THEN IF IT'S NOT RESOLVED IN TWO MONTHS, YOU'LL BE BACK HERE.
THIS MOTION IS STILL OUT THERE.
AND WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO SAL.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTS WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS MATERIAL.
TWO WOODWORKERS WILL BE THERE TOMORROW.
ALL THOSE BEAMS. WE HAVE TO VOTE.
DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO MOVE? MOTION HAS BEEN MADE TO POSTPONE THIS FOR TWO MONTHS WITH NO ADMINISTRATIVE FEES OR FINES AND TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION. DECEMBER 7TH.
WE ARE. THAT WOULD BE THE MEETING.
THAT'S THE DAY WILL LIVE IN INFAMY.
WILL THAT GIVE HER ENOUGH TIME TO CLOSE OUT THE DEMO PERMIT AS WELL? WELL, IT WILL BE HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED.
AND THEN AND THEN SHE'LL HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR THAT PERMIT SINCE IT'S ALREADY CLOSED.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE CODE VIOLATION.
THAT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING USUALLY, THOUGH, THAT THE CODE BOARD IS GOING TO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
WHEN YOU GO TO SELL IT, YOU WANT THAT CLOSE.
THE DEMOLITION PERMIT, WHEN YOU DO A DEMOLITION, IT HAS TO GO BACK.
THE PROPERTY HAS TO GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE.
SO EVERYTHING HAS TO HAS TO BE GRADED AND IT HAS TO GO BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE.
AND OF COURSE, THAT ALL THAT STUFF.
SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT TWO MONTHS OF TIME.
YEAH. YEAH. WELL, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT IS HOW LONG IT'S TAKING TO GET PERMITS.
I MEAN, THE DEMO, THE DEMO PERMIT AND THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEMO PERMITS.
NOT BEFORE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
OKAY. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE WEEKS AND WEEKS.
ARE YOU GOING TO DO IS DO AN EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT.
AND THEN SINCE YOU DO ALL THAT, JUST YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A INSPECTION THE NEXT DAY.
OKAY. YEAH. SO FOR THE BOARD THAT'S COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH MEANS THAT BUILDING MATERIAL IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY ANY LONGER. AND THE SHRUBBERY.
LANDSCAPING, GRASS, WHATEVER IT IS, IS THAT LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK BELONGS TO THE NEIGHBOR.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT IS COMING BEFORE US NOW.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED PARTIES IN THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP THIS MATERIAL HERE.
SO MAYBE PEOPLE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
OKAY, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WILL THE CLERK JUST READ THE MOTION SO THAT THEY'RE HEARD? CRYSTAL YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTION.
SO SO THAT'S REFLECTED CORRECTLY ON THE VOTE.
ALL RIGHT. SO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 5.010.09, OUTSIDE STORAGE OWNER DISPOSE OF HISTORICAL ITEMS AS SHE PLEASES. POSTPONE THE HEARING FOR TWO MONTHS, NO ADMIN FEES OR FINES.
RETURN TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD ON DECEMBER 7TH, 2023.
THAT SOUNDS GOOD. IT'S KIND OF SHORT.
ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MOTION? OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK.
HOW MANY YEARS HAS IT BEEN? TWO. THREE. IN 2018.
BUT WE TOOK IT DOWN AND FINISHED IT IN 2020.
YEAH. HOW'S YOUR STINGER? IT'S GONE. IT'S GONE OUT OF SIGHT AS THEY WERE LAUGHING.
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IT'S BEEN EASY FOR US TO LAUGH ABOUT THAT.SOMEONE BOUGHT HIM A FUNNY SHIRT THAT HAS THE FINGER REMOVED, BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
SO AS I SAID, THAT WORST PART OF IT WAS DURING THE FINGER REMOVAL PERIOD.
DID THAT HAPPEN? DID THAT HAPPEN WHEN HE WAS.
THANK YOU. GETTING BACK TO THE AGENDA.
THANK YOU, MISS RHONDA. THANK YOU.
I DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. CORRECT.
JUST LET US KNOW. [INAUDIBLE] AND I KNOW IF EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
YOU HAD OTHER PLANS FOR THIS, AND I KNOW YOU DID.
IT WAS COMPLETELY NOT THE INTENTION TO DO ANY OF THIS.
AND I KIND OF HAD HOPED THIS ONE WOULD TURN OUT LIKE THAT, BUT SADLY, THAT HAPPENS SOMETIMES.
IS THERE ANY.. ARE Y'ALL DONE WITH ME? YES, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY BOARD BUSINESS TO BE ADDRESSED? OKAY. ALL ON THE AGENDA.
MAY I ASK FOR A STATUS ON PEPPERS? HOW DID THAT CLOSE OUT? OR IS IT CLOSED OUT? NO.
YOU ASKED FOR IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK NEXT MONTH.
YOU CAN GET STATUS IF YOU WANT.
OH, THEY HAVE CUT THE LIGHTS OFF OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, BUT THE TWO LIGHT FIXTURES THAT ARE ON THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ARE STILL AS THEY ARE. MISS FORSSTRÖM HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE MANAGER WHAT SHE THOUGHT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PASS, AND IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO HER RECOMMENDATION AND SHE CAN SPEAK TO WHAT WHAT WAS SAID IN THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AS OF TODAY.
THOSE TWO LIGHT FIXTURES STILL BEAMING ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY STILL HAVE TIME TO DO WHAT THEY DO, BUT IT'S PAST THE COMPLIANCE.
YEAH. IS HE REACHING OUT TO YOU? NO, WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEM.
THEY KNEW THAT THOSE TWO LIGHT FIXTURES WERE AS THEY ARE THERE NOW OR NOT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER.
WRONG WAY. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN. PAUL, DO YOU WANT TO? YEAH, I REALLY HAVE.
JUST A VERY QUICK. OKAY, I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I HEAR IT.
COME ON. WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'LL BE COMPLICATED FOR YOU GUYS.
PAUL LAWRIE, 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET, THOMPSON HOUSE.
SO ALL I WAS REALLY WANTING TO DO SINCE EVERYBODY WAS HERE, I WAS UP ON THE LADDER THE OTHER DAY AND WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I TOOK A SPOT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT BIG FROM SCRAPING PAINT, YOU KNOW, FIXING AND PRIMING AND ALL THAT.
THAT'S ALL KIND OF BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST LITTLE WHILE.
BUT WHAT TRIGGERED MY EMOTION TO BE HERE TODAY IS I TOOK A VERY SMALL SPOT THAT WAS LIKE TWO INCHES.
AND NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I WANT TO SAY AT LEAST 30IN, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM ALL THE PAINT THAT JUST WAS CONTINUOUSLY PEELING. SO I'M JUST KIND OF JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE GOALPOST IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE HOME SO THAT I'M NOT CHASING SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S LIKE TO ME, I COULD JUST TAKE PRIMER AND JUST HAVE STUCK IT ON THAT TWO INCH SPOT, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE JUST HELD AND BEEN DONE.
BUT IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE RIGHT INTEREST OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S LIKE IT COULD GO ON FOREVER ALMOST IF I JUST KEEP HACKING AT IT.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE MADE REALLY GREAT PROGRESS WITH THE HOME.
BUT I WAS TOLD AGAIN, IT'LL BE DONE, IT'LL START THIS MONDAY.
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GOALPOST HAS MOVED A LITTLE BIT.AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S STEADFAST BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE WORKING ON THE PORCH BALUSTERS AND THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME.
I DON'T THINK YOU WERE COMING BACK UNTIL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR OR SOMETHING, LIKE I WASN'T.
BUT I WANT TO BE. I WANT TO BE.
YEAH. I JUST WANT TO BE IN GOOD STANDING.
SO YOU'VE GOT TILL JANUARY THE 1ST, THE FIRST DAY OF JANUARY.
SO THE RECOLLECTION IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD.
BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY AT THAT TIME YOU FEEL YOU NEED MORE TIME OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AND WOULD BE IT TO THEM.
OKAY. BECAUSE I'M A DUE DILIGENCE GUY, AND WHEN I WENT BACK AND LISTENED TO ALL THE VIDEOS AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I CAUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S JUST NOT JUST THE PAINT, BUT IT WAS LIKE REALLY THE ROTTEN WOOD.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MYSELF AND MISS RUTH AND ALL OF US REALLY AT A POINT WHERE THERE'S AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS PHRASE RIGHT, BUT JUST WITH HIS COMMON SENSE OR COMMONALITY, THAT RIGHT NOW I'M IN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BRAND NEW ROOF.
WE HAVE A CHIMNEY. WE'RE GETTING A BRAND NEW ROOF ON THE GARAGE.
WE'VE DONE ALL THE PIERS ARE ALL THE FOOTINGS ARE IN PLACE.
ALL THE FOOTINGS ARE IN PLACE.
YEAH, THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
ALL THE ALL THE FOOTINGS ARE DONE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
WE'RE GETTING A BID FOR THE SIDE PORCH.
NEXT, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IS GOING TO START GETTING A BID.
I MEAN, THINGS ARE REALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVING REALLY GOOD.
AND REALLY NOW WE'RE SANDING IT AND WE'RE PRIMING IT.
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO START OPENING UP MORE CYCLES.
AND THAT'S ALL THE REASON I WAS JUST HERE TODAY.
JUST WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT UP AND JUST COMMUNICATING MORE.
I JUST WANT TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE OF THE PROCESS.
SO KEEP ON KEEPING ON, AS THEY SAY IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I KNOW YOUR STANDARD IS A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT OUR MINIMUM STANDARD WILL BE.
BUT AS FAR AS THE PEELING PAINT, WE JUST WANT IT SCRAPED SO THAT THE LOOSE PAINT AND THE PEELING PAINT IS REMOVED AND THEN ALL UNPROTECTED WOOD IS IS PROTECTED WITH PAINT OR STAIN OR SOME OTHER PROTECTIVE SUBSTANCE THAT WILL PROTECT THAT WOOD FROM FURTHER DECAY.
I KNOW YOUR STANDARDS FOR THIS HOUSE IS VERY HIGH.
AND LIKE I SAID, OURS IS JUST MINIMUM STANDARDS.
WE WANT THE PEELING PAINT AND THE LOOSE PAINT TO BE SCRAPED OFF AND IT TO BE RESEALED AND REPAINTED AND ALL THE ROT WOOD REPLACED AND AND THAT NEW WOOD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PAINTED AND TREATED OR IT'S TREATED OR WHATEVER AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED.
YEAH. THANK YOU. YOUR NEXT ADVENTURE.
SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WE'RE GOING TO DO THE INDIAN OCEAN.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE BOAT TO LA GOMERA.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS 1 IN 1 FELL SWOOP.
I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, PAUL.
OKAY. THERE'D BE MOTION TO ADJOURN.
MOTION TO ADJOURN HAS BEEN ADOPTED.
NO OTHER CONVERSATION? WELL, IT IS NICE TO SEE A FULL BOARD FOR THE FIRST TIME.
LIKEWISE. AND IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU.
AND HAVE YOU ABOARD. GLAD TO BE HERE.
WE DO LIKE A FORMAL INTRODUCTION OR WHAT WAS OFF THE RECORD.
GO AHEAD, JOSH. OH, JOSHUA JENNINGS, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
I'M GLAD TO BE PART OF THE BOARD AND I'M GLAD TO BE SERVING.
SO THANK YOU. THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
YOU CAN RESERVE JUDGMENT IF YOU WANT TO.
AND WE DO HAVE CASES THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS LIKE THIS.
THIS IS WHY WE DO HAVE SOME CASES THAT ARE KIND OF CUT AND DRY.
BUT JOSH IS AN ATC AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL AND HIS WIFE IS DUE OUT IN HILLIARD.
SO WE DO HAVE FINALLY A FULL BOARD AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATES.
JUST TO LET YOU KNOW. THE ALTERNATES AND WE WILL HAVE TO INCREASE THE PAY.
WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE PAY. THAT'S GOOD.
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JUST WHEN THAT OPTION IS UP.VERY NICE TO MEET YOU, TOO, DANNY.
WHEN'S YOUR NEXT TRIP? WELL, FOR A WHILE.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.