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>>> I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
>>> OKAY, LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> WE'RE GOING TO MIX THIS UP -- WE'LL AT LEAST APPROVE THE
[4.1 SEPTEMBER 14, 2023 MEETING MINUTES]
MINUTES. DID EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE, DID WE GET THE MINUTES? THEY WERE IN THE AGENDA PACKET, THAT'S RIGHT. I DID SEE THEM THERE.DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM AND ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR ARE THERE ANY CHANGES?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
[7.1 ATLANTIC SEAFOOD APPRAISAL]
>> OKAY PUBLIC COMMENTS, SEEING NONE, MOVING ON.
TAMMY IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE QUESTIONS WE HAD LAST TIME REGARDING THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD LEASE AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SUCH. SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD START WITH HER SO THAT WE'RE NOT KEEPING HER HERE FOR EVERYTHING.
>> DON'T FEEL BAD IF I STAY A LITTLE BIT FOR YOUR OTHER DISCUSSION. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY
>> SO DO YOU WANT TO START WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT QUESTIONS
>> I'LL ANSWER WHAT I CAN. >> AT THE LAST MEETING, COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS HERE AND I GUESS I RAISED THE QUESTION ABOUT A PERSON THAT IS IN AS BAD A CONDITION AS THAT.
WHAT IS THE CITY'S ROLE IN ADDRESSING THE CONDITION AND I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT YOU CAN'T
REALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. >> OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT DOES ENFORCE WE HAVE MAINTENANCE OF PROPERTY AND MAINTENANCE OF STRUCTURES. AND I THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD IF ASKED, THIS IS A SPECIAL SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S A CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, IT'S LEASED.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT, BUT THEY COULD UNDER THE LEASE, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IS SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND KEEP EVERYTHING IN GOOD CONDITION. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE -- CODE ENFORCEMENT ISN'T GOING TO GO OUT.
BECAUSE THE DIRECTION FROM THE CITY COMMISSION IS AND OUR CITY ENGINEER AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THERE HASN'T BEEN AN UNSAFE BUILDING CASE BROUGHT AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT WOULD BE.
MAINTENANCE OF STRUCTURES IS A CHOICE AT THE DISCRETION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO.
AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION. MEANING NOT THAT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WE WOULD HAVE HEARD IT HERE, BE YOU THE CITY COMMISSION HASN'T EXPRESSED ANY CONCERN AND IF SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE A COMPLAINT, NO MORE ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT, SOMEBODY COULD CALL AND MAKE A COMPLAINT AND THEY WOULD SAY THAT THEY COULD GET BACK TO THEM OR LOOK INTO IT.
AND I'M SURE THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD GO TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE CITY MANAGER WOULD PROBABLY SAY TO LEAVE IT ALONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ARE WAITING FOR A NEW PLAN. AND YOU MAY ASK HOW LONG, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR CITY COMMISSIONERS. I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD ANSWER, HOWEVER WE GET THIS BUILDING GONE, MOVED, IMPROVED, IT'S GOING TO BE THROUGH DEMOLITION AND A NEW STRUCTURE.
IN ABOUT 18 MONTHS, THE CITY IS GOING TO BE, WE THINK
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APPROXIMATELY, READY TO AND NEED TO DEMOLISH THE STRUCTURE SO THAT THE SEAWALL CAN BE CONSTRUCTED IN THAT LOCATION.AND AT THAT TIME WE PLAN TO TAKE THAT UP.
UNDER THE LEASE THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THE BUILDING.
SO IF THERE IS NO PLAN AND NO PLACE TO GO, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD UP TO 1200 SQUARE FEET. WE KNOW THAT MR. SALTMARSH IS LOOKING FOR MORE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HE HAD A FAMILY MEDICAL EMERGENCY HE WAS TENDING TO FOR ABOUT A MONTH AND SO IT WAS HARD TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM, BUT HE'S BACK ON THE SCENE AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE IS TALKING INDIVIDUALLY WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT A NEW PLAN.
I GUESS IT'S SCALED DOWN ABOUT 500 SQUARE FEET.
IT WAS ABOUT 4600 MAYBE A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT.
SO IT'S STILL OVER 4,000 AND THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY
HEAD FROM A CONVERSATION. >> OKAY.
I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS ALSO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THAT BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE --
>> THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD BE THERE FOR A STRUCTURAL ISSUE.
IF THERE'S A STRUCTURAL ISSUE TO THE BUILDING, THEN UNDER STANDARD ABATEMENT CODE, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GO OUT AND INSPECT THE STRUCTURE.
IF HE FINDS THAT IT IS NOT SAFE AND UNSAFE UNDER THE ABATEMENT CODE MEANS LIKELY TO PARTIALLY OR TOTALLY COLLAPSE.
SO THAT IS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL'S DECISION IF THEY WANT TO GO OUT THERE. AND THAT'S AGAIN STRUCTURAL.
THE MAINTENANCE OF STRUCTURE, THAT'S REALLY AN AESTHETIC THING THAT WE USE UNDER OUR CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES.
>> I'M NOT ASKING -- >> NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE, YOU CAN ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS AS YOU LIKE.
>> I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THINGS MOVING.
>> IT TAKES MONEY AND IT TAKES AN APPROVAL OF A PLAN.
AND MR. SALTMARSH HAS MADE IT CLEAR I THINK BOTH PUBLICLY AND IN INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS THAT BETWEEN HE AND HIS ARCHITECT, HE NEEDS TO FIT AT LEAST 150 SEATS IN THAT RESTAURANT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.
AND BY DOING THAT, HE IS TRYING TO FIND A DESIGN THAT IS GOING TO FIT ALL OF THE ADA ACCESSIBLE BATHROOMS, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN HE'LL WANT THE SECOND STORY OF SOME TYPE EVEN IF IT'S JUST A DECK. HE'LL NEED AN ELEVATOR, MAKING ROOM FOR ALL OF THOSE 150 SEATS AND A KITCHEN AND STORAGE IS I THINK WHAT HE'S STRUGGLING TO DO.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I THINK PART OF THE DISCUSSION CAME FROM THE FACT THAT THERE HADN'T BEEN COMMUNICATION FOR SO LONG. AND THERE WAS A WONDERING IF THAT PROJECT WAS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD OR WHAT HAPPENED IF THIS
IS JUST WHAT REMAINED. >> RIGHT.
>> SO I THINK THERE IS CONCERN. >> AND YOU KNOW AS STAFF, INCLUDING ME, WHEN THE LAST THING WE REMEMBER, WE SAW MR. SALTMARSH HERE AT A PUBLIC MEETING AND THE COMMISSION WAS NOT GOING TO APPROVE OR EVEN GIVE A NOD TO THAT PLAN, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS TOO BIG WAS MY MEMORY.
THEN WE HEAR NOTHING. I CAN TELL YOU THAT CITY STAFF, WE MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THE PILE, RIGHT. SO THAT GOES TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE AND NOT UNTIL WE'RE ASKED AGAIN OR GOOD OLD COMMISSIONER ROSS POKES US AGAIN.
I DID REACH OUT TO HIM IN AN EMAIL AND THAT'S WHEN HE WAS
DEALING WITH HIS FAMILY ISSUE. >> THANK YOU.
>> SO THE, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT HERE, THE
APPRAISAL THAT WAS DONE. >> YES.
>> DOES THAT HAVE A SET TERM THAT IT'S VALID OR DOES IT
IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MARKET. SO WHAT IS THE MARKET AND THE MARKET CHANGES, RIGHT. SO AS REAL ESTATE VALUES CHANGE, THAT'S HOW LONG AN APPRAISAL IS GOOD FOR.
AND IT'S ALSO BASED UPON THE PARTY.
SO ONE PARTY IS THE CITY IN THIS LEASING SCENARIO, THE OTHER WOULD BE MR. SALTMARSH MOST LIKELY.
IF MR. SALTMARSH IS WILLING TO, I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE ACCEPT THAT IN TWO YEARS AS THE APPRAISAL AND THE CITY IS, THEN WE'RE FINE. IF NOT, THEN WE'LL GET AN UPDATED APPRAISAL. BUT THERE'S NO LAW THAT SAYS HOW
LONG. >> IT'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY
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AND YOU HATE TO SEE IT HAVE TO HAPPEN AGAIN.WHAT WAS IT $8,000? THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HERE WAS THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID THE APPRAISAL ALSO WENT THROUGH A WATERFRONT RENOVATION AS THEIR CITY COMMISSIONER OR I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT OFFICE FOR THEIR TOWN. BUT HE WAS ABLE TO SHARE A COPY
>> THAT THEY'VE USED FOR A WATERFRONT RESTAURANT ON CITY PROPERTY, BUT WITH A PRIVATE OWNER FOR THE RESTAURANT.
SO JAKE HAD SHARED IT WITH THE BOARD, BUT I WOULD LIKE HIM TO SHARE IT WITH YOU BECAUSE THERE MAY BE THINGS IN IT THAT ARE HELPFUL AS YOU GO INTO THAT PROCESS.
>> YEAH, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT ON THESE LONG-TERM, REALLY IMPORTANT HIGH PROFILE LEASES, I SEEK OUTSIDE COUNSEL BY MYSELF WITH ALL WE HAVE TO DO, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE CITY TO JUST RELY ON ME. IT'S BETTER IF WE HAVE A SECOND SET OF EYES. SO PREFERABLY SOMEBODY THAT HAS COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE EXPERIENCE IN CONTRACTS.
>> JUST A SIDE NOTE, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING THOUGH IN THE APPRAISAL THAT THE END VALUE FOR THE RENTAL OR THE LEASE WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME NUMBER THAT WAS IN THE OTHER
BEACH LEASE. >> YEAH, IT IS INTERESTING.
>> HE WORKED ON THE APPRAISAL HERE, BUT STILL IT WAS SIMILAR ALTHOUGH THEIR STRUCTURE WAS DIFFERENT IN THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IT INCLUDED A PERCENTAGE IN THE REVENUE, BUT IT DID INCLUDE AN ESCALATION. BUT IT WAS IN THAT 200 TO 250
RANGE. >> I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA OF FLORIDA, I HAVE LOTS OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS THERE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT REAL ESTATE PRICES, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO HERE SO I'M
NOT SURPRISED. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR
OUR CITY ATTORNEY? >> HOW LONG --
>> 2026. I THINK IT'S AUGUST 2026 IS WHEN
>> ON ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. THE ORIGINAL 2008 LEASE IS UP IN
2026. >> SO HE'S GOT TO MAKE UP HIS MIND WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
>> YEP. >> HE COULD ASK FOR AN
SURE. >> I WAS JUST WONDERING IF --
>> 2028. >> IS IT? OH YEAH, MAYBE. THERE IS, THERE'S SIX MORE YEARS. THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S A LOT. >> YEP, SORRY.
I WAS THINKING OF SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT THE CITY AS YOU KNOW IS DOING WORK OUT THERE AND THAT'S PART OF THE LEASE IS THAT BUILDING HAS GOT TO BE GONE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD COME DOWN BEFORE 2028 ANYWAY.
>> WE HAVE TO BUY OUT THE REMAINDER OF THIS LEASE WHEN WE
MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT? >> THAT IS AN OPTION THOUGH FOR THE CITY, ISN'T IT? TO BUY OUT THE LEASE.
>> I KNOW HOW MUCH HE PAID FOR IT THOUGH WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO DISCLOSE. AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD
IT. >> SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE APPRAISAL FOR THAT PROPERTY THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT, ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PACKET. IS THERE ANYTHING --
>> AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE APPRAISAL, IT LOOKS REALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE APPRAISAL WE HAD DONE BEFORE BY MR. DRIGGERS AND I THINK THAT WAS EXPECTED. COMMISSIONER ROSS REALLY PUSHED FOR MR. DUPE TO DO THE APPRAISAL AND FOUND HIM I GUESS IN CONVERSATIONS THAT HE WAS MOST FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF APPRAISAL AND THIS TYPE OF PROJECT AND LEASE.
SO I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO COMMISSIONER ROSS ABOUT IT BUT HE'S PROBABLY PLEASED TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE IN THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE HE EXPECTED THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD GET FROM A RESTAURANT THAT BRINGS IN $2 MILLION TO $4 MILLION A YEAR
IN SALES. >> SO THE BASE RATE WAS TWICE AS
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MUCH AS THE DRIGGERS REPORT AND THEN IT INCLUDED THE PERCENTAGE OF SALES WITH ESCALATION THROUGH THE YEARS.THAT'S VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL APPRAISAL.
>> RIGHT. >> SO HAS THAT APPRAISAL BEEN
>> OKAY. >> NO, AND IT ACTUALLY THE APPRAISALS THAT WE HAVE LIKE THAT, THERE'S REALLY NOT A REASON FOR US TO KEEP IT SECRET AND WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP IT SECRET, BUT THEY'RE GENERALLY NOT PUBLIC RECORDS.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL GOT THEM AND IF ROW -- YOU SHARED THEM, IT'S FINE. AGAIN IT'S USUALLY WHEN THE CITY IS TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY SO WE DON'T GET OUT BID, THE APPRAISALS ARE ALWAYS CONFIDENTIAL.
WHEN WE ARE SELLING OUR LEASING, THE MORE THE MERRIER.
THIS IS THE FLIP. SO IT'S NO PROBLEM --
>> THAT THE APPRAISAL IS ON THE AGENDA?
>> NO, I WANTED TO BRING IT UP THAT THEY CAN BE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE FINE. YOU'RE GOOD.
>> AWESOME. >> DO YOU HAVE MR. SALTMARSH'S CONTACT INFO? CAN YOU SEND THAT APPRAISAL TO
>> IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT DIRECTLY, THEN I'LL DO IT.
>> YOU'LL SEND TAMMY THE LEASE? >> I HAVE THE LEASE RIGHT HERE,
I JUST HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT. >> NO, NO, NO, THE DANIA BEACH
ONE. >> AND IT'S PRONOUNCED JUST BECAUSE I'M FROM THERE DANE-EYA BEACH.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR ME I'M GOING TO SIT AND LISTEN?
[6.1 OBJECTIVES & STRATEGIES FINAL DRAFT]
>> NO, SIT AND LISTEN. MOVING ON TO THE OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES. SO GIVE US THE RUN DOWN HERE BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE LOOKS THE SAME AS WHAT WE HAD BEFORE,
AND I'VE GOTTEN STILL YET THAT TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
THAT'S SQUARELY ON MY SHOULDERS. I KNOW WE INTENDED TO HAVE THAT WITH THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING ON THE 17TH.
I'M WORKING ON GETTING IT COMPLETED WHICH AS SOON AS I DO, WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU VIA EMAIL AND IF THE BOARD DESIRES, IF IT'S UP TO SNUFF WE'LL SHARE IT WITH THE EXECUTIVE BOARD AT THAT 17TH MEETING UPDATING THEM THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER THE SUMMER AND INTO THE FALL AND KIND OF PROVIDE THEM WITH THE REASONS BEHIND WHERE WE LANDED WITH THE OBJECTIVES, HOW WE WENT ABOUT REVIEWING THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND REALIZING IT WAS A GOOD PLAN WITH JUST MAKING SOME MINOR QUALIFICATIONS AND UPDATES. INCORPORATING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE BACK IN JANUARY INTO THE PLAN SO THAT WE COULD THEN CONTINUE TO WORK THAT PLAN.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE OBJECTIVES AND
STRATEGIES. >> SO THE MEETING IS THE 17TH SO THAT'S ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS FROM YESTERDAY.
>> WITH THE AGENDA GOING OUT NEXT TUESDAY.
>> SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> ODDS HAVE HAVING IT DONE THIS WEEK BEFORE THE AGENDA GETS PUBLISHED ON TUESDAY IS MY GOAL.
>> OKAY. AND IF YOU NEED ANY NOTES OR, I HAVE MY COPY WITH NOTES IN IT FROM THE LAST -- SO.
[6.2 PARKING LOT C & D]
ALL RIGHT, HOW ABOUT PARKING LOT C AND D, THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD ON THE 17TH. SO TO BE CLEAR WOULD ERIC BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT OR WOULD I PRESENT IT OR WOULD YOU PRESENTIT? >> HOWEVER THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO DO IT, HONESTLY I PREFER THE BOARD TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION PREFERABLY THE BOARD CHAIR IS FINE WITH THAT.
>> SURE. >> EITHER WAY, I'M FINE WITH IT TOO. BUT JUST IF YOU WERE THERE FOR
QUESTIONS. >> YEAH, I CAN BE HELPFUL IN
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TERMS OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.MAYBE AS THE CHAIR YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE IT AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING? I THINK AT LEAST ONE OR AT LEAST TWO OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE THAT WE'VE DONE THIS.
SO THIS WON'T BE COMPLETELY NEW. BUT THERE ARE JUST SOME DETAILS THAT THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT.
>> OKAY. >> SO THIS PLAN THAT'S UP HERE NOW IS THE REVISION TO THE REVISION.
>> YES, SIR. >> AND THIS IS KIND OF LIKE THE FINAL VERSION. THE PREVIOUS VERSION SLIGHTLY UNMODIFIED FROM THIS WENT TO TRC AND I THINK THEY WERE OKAY WITH IT EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF SMALL ISSUES.
ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS RIGHT HERE.
THERE WAS A ADA PARKING SPACE WITH THE ACCESS SPACE NEXT TO IT WHICH I DOUBLED UP AND USED THAT AS A VEHICLE ENTRY FOR MAINTENANCE VEHICLES AND EVENT SET UP AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME MUSIC PERFORMANCE OR SOMETHING.
SOMEBODY AT TRC SAID YOU'LL GET SUED BY HAVING THAT BE A MULTIPURPOSE THING. SO JACOB SUGGESTED AND IN THAT PLAN THERE WERE FIVE ADA PARKING SPACES WHEN ONLY FOUR ARE REQUIRED. SO WE REMOVED ONE AND MADE THAT A -- WE HAD TO GET A LANDSCAPE ISLAND IN.
SO THERE'S A LANDSCAPE ISLAND IN THERE.
AND THE VEHICLE ACCESS IS STILL JUST A VEHICLE ACCESS.
IT'S NOT ADA. SO IT MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE CODE ISSUES AND ALL OF THAT.
PLUS IT STILL ALLOWS THE TOURNAMENT IN THE FALL TO BE ABLE TO SET UP 70 OR TEMPORARY COURTS.
SO THEY CAN CONTINUE. SO I THINK IT'S AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S AT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER WE WANT
TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DO IT. >> AND THIS ALSO NEEDS TO GO
>> THERE'S A TABLE THAT OUTLINES WHAT PROJECTS GO TO HTC AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE IN THE MATRIX TO GO BEFORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL. BUT WE WANTED TO GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE EXECUTIVE BOARD FOR THEM TO WEIGH IN WHETHER THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO PROCEED DOWN THIS PATH BECAUSE IF THEY SAY THIS IS A GREAT PLAN, WE LIKE IT, BUT WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT THEN I WASN'T GOING TO, WE WEREN'T GOING TO WASTE OUR
TIME. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I WOULD WELCOME HDC TO SEE IT. I THINK THE MORE EYES THAT SEE IT AND CAN COMMENT ON IT, THE BETTER.
MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO MAKE IT AS IRONCLAD AS POSSIBLE.
>> SO WOULD YOU CARE IF I REACHED OUT AND ASKED IF I SHARED IT WITH HIM IF HE WANTED TO SHARE OR IF CITY STAFF COULD
SHARE IT WITH HIS BOARD? >> MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
>> THE CITY COMMISSION COMMIT TO USING THE PLAN -- SO THIS IS
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE. >> THIS IS NOT IN THE BUDGET,
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BUT THERE IS POTENTIAL FUNDING TO PAY FOR IT WHICH IS SORT OF TIF FUNDS OR IMPACT FEES. THERE WAS ANOTHER PAGE TO THIS.IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY THEORETICALLY NEED TO BE IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE THERE IS FUNDING. YOU DON'T HAVE THE OTHER TWO PAGES, DO YOU? REASONS TO PROCEED AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PAGE WHICH IS FUNDING.
THERE WE GO. IMPACT FEES, TIF FUNDS.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK FUND. MAYBE SOME SORT OF GRANT
FUNDING. >> ANY CRA MONEY LEFT?
>> THAT WOULD BE IN THE TIF FUND.
YEAH, THERE'S MONEY IN THERE. THE ESTIMATED COST IS ABOUT
$100,000. >> ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT.
[8.1 BOARD MEMBER TERMS]
AND THEN BOARD MEMBER TERMS, WE TALKED RIGHT AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING, I THINK LOGAN BROUGHT IT UP.SO JAKE INCLUDED THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FRANK AND LOGAN THAT WOULD BE UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> CLERK'S OFFICE EMAILED THEM BACK IN THE SUMMER AND I REMINDED THEM THAT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION BY NOVEMBER 15TH IN ORDER TO GET RENEWED FOR THEIR NEXT TERM.
[9.1 CRA PROPERTY/PROJECT MATRIX]
>> AND THEN JUST THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE PROPERTY PROJECT
MATRIX. >> YEAH, SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ACTIVITY. THE PROJECT NORTH OF MCGREGOR HAS BEEN APPROVED. IT SHOULD BE ISSUED ANY DAY NOW, AND THAT'S EXCITING ON THAT PROJECT.
>> PAVILION, WHAT IS IT? I KNOW WHERE IT IS.
>> IT STARTED OUT AS KIND OF A MULTIUSE VENUE.
INITIALLY THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE PICKLEBALL COURTS UNDER A CURVED CANOPY PAVILION. THE PICKLEBALL, THERE WERE CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORS TO THE EAST AS FAR AS THE NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH PICKLEBALL.
SO THAT PIECE KIND OF GOT TAKEN OUT OF IT.
AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE A GARDEN PAVILION, MULTIUSE VENUE. IT WILL HAVE A COVERED CANOPY, COMMERCIAL KITCHEN, GARDENS, AREAS FOR ROOMS TO GET READY.
REALLY JUST A MULTIUSE VENUE DOWNTOWN THAT I THINK IS GOING
TO GET A LOT OF USE. >> THAT'S GREAT.
>> SO THEY GOT THEIR PERMIT, SO THAT'S GOOD.
THE LAST FEW HOMES IN HARBOR VIEW WERE COMPLETED SINCE WE UPDATED THIS. SO ALL OF THAT TAX REVENUE SHOULD START ROLLING IN IN THE TIF FUNDS.
WITH THAT BEING THE PCRA WHICH 2017, IT'S NICE TO SEE ALL OF THAT IS COMPLETE WITH ALL OF OUR NEW NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS THERE IN THE HARBOR VIEW SUBDIVISION.
THAT IS WRAPPED UP, ALL OF THEIR PERMITS ARE CO'ED.
AND THEN INTO THE PUBLIC PROJECTS AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME WE'RE IN CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WITH KIMBERLY HORN ON THE
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RESILIENCY WALL ALONG THE WATERFRONT.WE'VE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM WHERE THEY SHARED THEIR CONCEPTUAL PLANS, THEY GATHERED ALL OF THEIR FIELD WORK.
SO THEY'VE GOT ALL OF THE DATA THEY NEED TO COMPLETE THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN. THE GOAL, I BELIEVE IN NOVEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER TO BRING THAT CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OR PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH THOSE DESIGN CONCEPTS WHICH WILL HAVE THE LAYOUT ALONG WITH EACH SEGMENT'S INDIVIDUAL DESIGN.
BECAUSE EACH SEGMENT OF THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AS FAR AS THE CHARACTERISTICS WITH THE DEPTH OF THE MARINA.
YOU HAVE YOUR BOAT RAMP, THE NORTHERN SEGMENTS AND THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. SO THAT PRESENTATION WILL GET MADE TO THE CITY COMMISSION. HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE CONSENSUS THAT THOSE DESIGN CONCEPTS ARE ACCEPTABLE AND GET THE BLESSING OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE DESIGN. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT
WITH THE RESILIENCY WALL. >> DO WE KNOW WHICH SECTION
WOULD GO FIRST? >> YEAH SO MR. GEORGE AND I HAVE TALKED JUST KIND OF SPITBALLING WHETHER IT'S SEGMENT ONE SOUTH OF LOT C AND D WHICH MORE EARTH AND BERM TYPE SYSTEM.
OR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD THREE WHICH IS A SMALL SEGMENT MATCHING WHAT IS EXISTING. AND THEN A REDUCTION OF THE BOAT RAMP AND KIND OF FLOOD WALL, THAT WOULD BE ONE SEGMENT, THEN YOU GET PARKING LOT B, PARKING LOT A, AND THEN THE NORTHERN SEGMENT. THERE'S COST ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IT ALSO RELATES TO FUNDING.
SO I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE WOULD START WITH THAT.
BUT THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
>> IS THERE PREFERENCE GIVEN TO THE PART THAT REGULARLY FLOODS
LIKE NORTH OF CENTER? >> CERTAINLY WE WANT TO STOP THAT FLOODING. OBVIOUSLY THAT NORTHERN SECTION IS THE LOWEST POINT ON THE WATERFRONT.
AS WE ALL KNOW PART OF THAT PROBLEM IS THERE'S A MISSING LINK THERE. SO IDEALLY YES, THAT WOULD BE
WHERE YOU WOULD START. >> OKAY, BUT THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION. IS THERE STILL A MISSING LINK?
>> YES. >> I WAS HOPING MAYBE SOMEHOW
THERE WASN'T. >> SO THEY DO HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THAT MISSING LINK WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL?
>> THERE'S TALKS OF WHAT YOU DO IF THAT MISSING LINK STAYS.
BUT NO, THEIR WORK DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT DESIGN.
YOU MAY STILL WONDER WHY THERE'S THESE LITTLE METAL PLATES SITTING AT CENTER STREET AND HERE AT ASH STREET, THE RAILROAD SIGNALS AND YET PEDESTRIAN GATES THAT ARE PART OF THE RAILROAD SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING IT WAS SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES. OUR RAILROAD CONSULTANT IS REGULARLY CHECKING UP WITH THEM. NO DATA ON WHEN THOSE LAST PEDESTRIAN GATES WILL GET INSTALLED NEAR ASH AND CENTER STREET. HOPEFULLY SOMETIME SOON.
WE PUSHED FOR THE STREET SCAPE AND RAILROAD COMPONENT TO OPEN NEXT MONTH. WE WERE GOING TO OPEN THAT LAST MONTH, BUT WE HAD TO PUSH THAT BACK.
HOPEFULLY AT OUR NOVEMBER MEETING, I'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON NUMBER OF BIDS WE'VE GOT AND AN UPDATE ON THAT.
I'VE GOT THE APPRAISAL WHICH APPARENTLY I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO SHARE, WHICH I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
AND THAT'S REALLY IT FROM A PUBLIC PROJECT PERSPECTIVE AT
THIS POINT. >> SORRY, I HAVE TO ASK EVERY
MONTH. >> I'M MEETING CHARLIE ON MONDAY. I SAID ANY UPDATE BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOARD ARE GOING TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.
STILL WAITING ON THE SUBCONTRACTOR TO SHOW UP.
YEAH. ONE THING THAT I ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE IN HERE ON THE PUBLIC PROJECT IS WE'RE WORKING SO THE UNDERGROUND FOR FRONT STREET FU HAS INSTALLED THEIR UNDERGROUND
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LINES. WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH AT&T ON THAT LINE. BUT THE CITY'S DESIGN AND PERMITTING WITH THE RAILROAD BECAUSE THEY'LL SET A BIG TRANSFORMER ON THE WEST SIDE OF FRONT STREET.IT WILL HAVE TO GO UNDER THE TRACKS TO FEED THE SALTY PELICAN AND THE THREE BUSINESSES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CENTER STREET.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT DESIGN, PERMITTING TO GO UNDER THE RAILROAD THERE. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> YEAH ONE ON THE MATRIX HERE. THE HOTEL --
>> AH, I SKIPPED THAT. SO THAT HAS NOT COME TO PERMITTING YET. AND CASUAL CONVERSATIONS PASSING, I KNOW HE'S WORKING ON SOME APPROVALS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR THE TYPE OF MANUFACTURED UNITS THAT HE'S GOING TO NEED TO INSTALL. BUT I ANTICIPATE THAT COMING ALONG HERE QUICKLY, SHORTLY. AND I'LL AGAIN APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING THE OBJECTIVES AND STRATEGIES, THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE ON MY PART SO I APOLOGIZE. WE'LL GET THERE.
>> YEAH? >> I'LL BRING UP ONE NEW PIECE OF BUSINESS. AND I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT DOING THIS, BUT AS PART OF THE WATERFRONT PARK AREA, GOING WAY BACK TO LIKE 2005, IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR THAT, THERE WAS A SHRIMP BOAT INCLUDED IN THAT.
AND SO I KIND OF AND I'M THE PERSON WHO PUT THAT IN THE PLAN THAT IT KIND OF STAYED THERE. NOBODY SAID NO TO THAT.
SO IT KIND OF KEPT GOING FORWARD.
IT WAS IN THE 2012 PLAN THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT NOBODY REALLY SORT OF TALKED ABOUT IT OR DID ANYTHING WITH IT.
SO I'VE BEEN KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THAT MORE AND MORE.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE STRATEGIES AND OBJECTIVES IS EDUCATIONAL AND HISTORIC ELEMENTS. AND SO THE IDEA WAS TO FIND A OLDER SHRIMP BOAT THAT COULD BE EITHER DONATED OR PRIVATE FUNDING RAISED TO ACQUIRE IT. AND MR. COOK KNOWS WHERE EVERY SHRIMP BOAT IS IN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE.
AND SO I'VE LOOKED DOWN THERE UNDER MANY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.
LIKE ONE CONDITION IS EXTREMELY LOW TIDE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A BOAT IN A PLACE THAT'S BEEN -- I'VE ALSO LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING IT ON LAND AND DOING IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT BECOMES LIKE A SCULPTURAL ELEMENT.
AND THERE WERE DIFFICULTIES WITH EACH OF THOSE KIND OF APPROACHES. BUT I HAVE HOPED FOR A WAY TO DO IT WHERE IT'S IN THE WATER AND A PLACE TO DO IT.
SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT THERE'S SOME THOUGHT.
AND I CAN SHOW YOU WHERE IT IS. JACOB, COULD YOU BLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT? SO THIS DOCK STOPS, OKAY.
AND THERE'S AT LOW, LOW, LOW TIDE, THERE'S THE EDGE OF THE WATERLINE IT'S KIND OF LIKE RIGHT ALONG HERE.
SO YOU COULD TAKE THAT SHRIMP BOAT AND MOOR IT TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE DINGY DOCK. THERE'S NO RAILINGS ON HERE, IT'S A DINGY DOCK. SO WHAT YOU COULD DO IS EXTEND
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THIS STUFF OUT TO ABOUT THERE. SO YOU COULD WALK OUT HERE AND MAYBE THERE'S A T ON THE END AND THERE COULD BE INFORMATIONAL GRAPHICS TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE SHRIMP BOAT IS RIGHT THERE.>> SO HOW WOULD THAT INTERFERE WITH THE BOATS THAT USE THAT
>> IT WOULDN'T? >> THE BOATS THAT USE THE DINGY DOCK TIE UP ON THIS SIDE. NOBODY USES THE BACKSIDE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY DEEP ENOUGH OR MAYBE IT IS, I DON'T KNOW.
SO ANYWAY PART OF THE ISSUE IS I CAN'T TALK TO DAVID OTHER THAN IN THIS MEETING ABOUT THIS ISSUE BECAUSE HE'S THE MAN WHO REALLY KNOWS THIS WHOLE THING AND HOW TO DO THAT.
SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO BORE YOU WITH CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AT
FUTURE MEETINGS. >> I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH
TALKING ABOUT. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
INSIDE THE BACK COVER OF THE, WHAT IS IT, THE LARGER FORMAT AMELIA MAGAZINE HAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY AND A PICTURE OF THE PERFECT SHRIMP BOAT FOR THIS.
IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT 60 FEET LONG AND FIBERGLASS HULL SO IT WILL HOLD UP AND NOT ROT. THERE WOULD BE CONTINUING MAINTENANCE MONEY REQUIRED. BUT MAYBE THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRIVATE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PROMOTE THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY AND WOULD BE WILLING TO RAISE SOME FUNDING FOR THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO ITS INTENTION IS TO EDUCATE AND TO BE A DRAW TO GET PEOPLE
TO COME DOWN HERE. >> I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS AS PART OF OUR WAYFINDING PROGRAM WITH MAINSTREAM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE TABLE MAPS THAT ARE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT TOWN, BUT WOULD BE INFORMATIONAL IN NATURE. AND SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE ALONG THE WATERFRONT FOR WHAT COULD BE A VARIETY OF REASONS, THE MILLS AND THE HISTORY THERE, IT COULD BE THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY COULD BE PART OF THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WAS THE FIRE FROM I THINK IT WAS 1878 WHEN NORTH 2ND WAS A PRIMARY STREET AND THEN IT BECAME CENTER STREET BECAUSE SOME OF THAT HISTORY.
BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT THAT WALKWAY, ONCE IT'S THERE IS GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT EDUCATIONAL OR INFORMATIONAL COMPONENT TO IT.
>> AND WITH THE SHRIMP BOAT THING, WE HAVE THIS DOCK THAT
>> AND PEOPLE LIKE TO WALK OUT THERE AND LOOK.
LET'S LET THEM WALK OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND LOOK AND GET EDUCATED ABOUT THE THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY.
THERE'S GREAT HISTORY ABOUT THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY HERE.
>> TAKE A PICTURE WITH THE SHRIMP BOAT IN THE BACKGROUND.
>> GET THE JUMBO SHRIMP BASEBALL TEAM TO BECOME THE SPONSOR.
>> THERE YOU GO. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ONE COULD DO TO REALLY BRING THE SHRIMPING THING INTO THE
SPOTLIGHT. >> WELL, I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS FOR US TO HAVE BECAUSE PART OF OUR PURVIEW AS A BOARD IS THEN HOW DO YOU MARKET THE CRA? AND SO I THINK THAT TIES RIGHT IN.
THAT'S WHAT KIND OF SETS IT APART IS THAT CONCEPT OF THE WORKING WATERFRONT THAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
BUT THAT'S THE HISTORY THAT'S THERE.
SO BY HONORING IT, I THINK THAT'S --
>> THE ALTERNATIVE WHICH SOME FOLKS HAVE EXPRESSED, MARYANN
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PHILLIPS BEING ONE, IS TO BRING BACK SHRIMP BOATS TO THE DOCKS.BUT IT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, ECONOMICALLY IT JUST WON'T WORK, RIGHT. I MEAN IT WAS NICE, I REMEMBER IT YEARS AND YEARS AGO VISITING HERE AND SHRIMP BOATS TIED UP IN THE DOCK. AND IT WAS COOL.
BUT THEY AIN'T COMING BACK. >> NO.
>> MAYBE WE CAN BRING ONE BACK. THAT'S A START.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN FERNANDINA THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS THAT NEED TO BE SHOWN TO PEOPLE THAT COME.
BEFORE THE MILLS CAME, YOU HAD LUMBER, YOU HAD FISHING, AND YOU
HAD OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW. >> A LOT OF HISTORY.
>> THERE'S GREAT PHOTOGRAPHY AND THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED WITH
THE BOAT. >> I'M SURE THE HISTORY MUSEUM WOULD LOVE TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.
>> AND THE SHRIMP FEST. >> RIGHT.
>> WELL RIGHT, THE SHRIMP FEST IS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THEIR NEW CHAIRPERSON IS LOOKING TO REALLY BRING BACK THE SHRIMP PART OF THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THEM TOO IN TERMS OF FUNDING FOR SOME OF THAT INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE OR WHATEVER BECAUSE THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN THAT AS WELL.
OKAY, WE'LL PUT THAT ON OUR AGENDA FOR TAKE BABY STEPS.
ONE THING AT A TIME. >> SOUNDS GREAT.
>> ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN MOTION TO
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ADJOURN? >> WHAT ABOUT OUR NEXT MEETING?
>> NEXT MEETING -- >> NEXT MEETING I DIDN'T INCLUDE ON THE AGENDA THE DATE, BUT IT'S NOVEMBER 1ST IS THE NEXT MEETING. ARE BOARD MEMBERS GETTING THE CITY CLERK EMAIL BLAST WITH THE AGENDAS?
>> I HAVEN'T BEEN. NOT THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES.
>> I CAN'T REMEMBER IF I GET IT JUST FROM YOU OR, I KNOW I GO ONLINE AND LOOK AT IT. BUT I CANNOT RECALL.
>> THAT'S ALL I DO. >> SOMETIMES I WAS SITTING ON AN EMAIL WITH THE LINK, YOU SHOULD BE GETTING THE LINK FROM CITY CLERK THAT AUTOMATICALLY COMES OUT.
>> I USED TO. >> WILL WE GET TO MEET THE NEW
CITY MANAGER? >> CINDY WILL BE ON THE 16TH BE AT THAT CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON THE 17TH.
>> I'M SHARING JUST SOMETHING THAT MAIN SHEET IS TALKING ABOUT FOR SIDEWALKS THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE SHRIMPING INDUSTRY.
>> THAT HAD TO DO WITH WHAT? >> SHRIMPING INDUSTRY.
LIKE A MEDALLION THAT WOULD BE INSET INTO THE SIDEWALK THAT WOULD HONOR THAT AND MAKE OUR SIDEWALKS JUST A LITTLE BIT SPECIAL IF WE END UP HAVING, THOSE ARE SOME OPTIONS.
THIS IS A FIRST DRAFT. >> ARE WE STILL ON THE RECORD?
>> WE ADJOURNED AT -- >> YEAH.
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