Aug 15, 2023 Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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CALL THIS MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH.

AND WE WILL START WITH A ROLL CALL.

>>MAYOR BEAN: HERE. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: HERE. >>MAYOR BEAN: PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE

BY MARY HANDLER. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>MAYOR BEAN: THE INVOCATION BY PASTOR TIFFANY GULAMA OF THE PRINCE CHAPEL AME CHURCH.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. >>PASTOR TIFFANY GULAMA: THANK YOU, MAYOR DEAN AND EVERYONE. APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH.

LET US PRAY. HOLY ONE OF LOVE AND JUSTICE, WE PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD THIS DAY.

PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING AND STRUGGLING IN OUR MIDST.

WE PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTY AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND OUR COUNTY JUDGES. WE PRAY FOR WISDOM, COMPASSION FOR ALL OUR LEADERS AND PRAY FOR HEALTH, ENCOURAGEMENT AND LASTING IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PEOPLE OF OUR ACCOUNT WHO ARE STRUGGLING. WE ASK YOU, HOLY ONE, TO BE OUR SHEPHERD. WALK WITH US THROUGH THIS VALLEY OF SICKNESS AND DEATH, OF FRUSTRATION AND FATIGUE, OF OVERWHELM. AND REMIND US THAT WE CAN BE FAITHFUL. AND HELP US TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER TO REACH OUT TO YOU AND OTHERS AS WE CONNECT.

TO SEE THE HOLY AND THE SACRED IN THESE DAYS.

GIVE US THE COURAGE AND STRENGTH TO FOCUS ON LOVE.

TO FIND NEW WAYS TO WORK FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE.

TO MEET THE ONSLAUGHT OF THESE CHALLENGES.

WE PRAY THIS DAY FOR OUR WORLD, FOR OUR COUNTRY, FOR OUR COUNTY, FOR OUR COMMUNITIES, AND EVEN FOR OURSELVES.

WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE ILL. WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO GRIEVE.

FOR OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS, OUR GROCERY STORE WORKERS, OUR NOW UNEMPLOYED WORKERS AND ALL THOSE WORKING TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON, THE WATER CLEAN, THE ROADS READY.

WE PRAY FOR THE SANITATION WORKERS AND MAIL CARRIERS.

WE PRAY FOR STUDENTS AND TEACHERS ADJUSTING TO SO MANY CHANGES. WE PRAY FOR THOSE ALONG THEIR HOME AND THOSE WHO FEEL ISOLATED.

WE PRAY FOR THE RELATIONSHIPS OF THOSE THAT HONE TOGETHER.

WE PRAY FOR PATIENCE, EMPATHY, KINDNESS AND TO REMAIN CALM.

WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHOSE SAVINGS ARE DISAPPEARING.

THOSE WHOSE JOBS ARE NOW UNSTABLE.

WE PRAY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO SAVINGS WHO WERE ALREADY BARELY MAKING IT AND NOW OPPONENT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO.

WE PRAY FOR OURSELVES AND EACH OTHER.

WE PRAY THAT WE WILL CARE FOR EACH OTHER BY MAKING DECISIONS WITH THE HELP OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MINDS. WE PRAY FOR WISE AND KIND AND JUST DECISIONS FROM OUR GOVERNMENT LEADERS.

WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR SCIENTISTS AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WHOSE EXPERTISE GUIDE LEADERS AND MAKING DECISIONS THAT IMPACT SO MANY LIVES. WE PRAY FOR SAFETY, STRENGTH, EMPATHY, CREATIVITY TO REMAIN CALM AND CAREFUL IN OUR DECISION MAKING. BE OUR SHEPHERD.

LEAD US IN A PRAYER FOR PEACE. AMEN.

[4.1 PROCLAMATION - PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT]

>>MAYOR BEAN: AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR.

WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH OUR PROCLAMATION.

A BIG DAY, 135 YEARS OF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

IF YOU WERE WITHIN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, PLEASE COME ON DOWN. I SEE THE BACK ROW.

EVERYBODY COME ON DOWN. JEREMIAH IS HERE.

IF YOU WERE TANGENTIAL RELATED TO MAINTENANCE.

COME ON DOWN. ANYBODY MAINTENANCE -- IN MY OTHER JOB I AM IN THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.

I AM VERY MUCH WITH THE MAINTENANCE.

IS 35 -- IT IS 136TH. SLIGHT CORRECTION.

136 YEARS OF OUR MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT.

WOW, TIME FLIES. PUBLIC WORKS.

THANK YOU, GUYS FOR BEING HERE -- GUYS AND GALS.

PROCLAMATION, FOUNDED IN 1887, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT EMPLOYED THREE PEOPLE WHOSE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES INCLUDED WATER WORKS, ILLUMINATION, DRAINING LOTS, CONSTRUCTION OF ROADS, A CITY MARKET AND PUBLIC WHARFS.

WHEREAS 136 YEARS LADE LATER, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS COMPOSED OF WATER, WASTEWATER, STORMWATER, WASTEWATER, FLEET, SANITATION DIVISIONS. COLLECTIVELY THEY EMPLOY OVER 60 HARD-WORKING EMPLOYEES WHOSE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED SINCE 1886. THE PUBLIC WORKS OF THE TREATMENT AND DISTRIBUTION OF WATER, PROCESSING AND TREATMENT

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WHEREAS PAR, AS FIRST RESPONDERS THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY PUBLIC WORKS MUST BE PROVIDED 24 HOURS A DAY.

PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES WORK DURING NATURAL DISASTERS IN ORDER TO HELP MAINTAIN AND RESTORE ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

THEY ARE MULTIJURISDICTIONAL. THEY COORDINATE ACTIVITIES AND HELP ENSURE CITY RESIDENTS SAFE COMMUNITY AND A HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE. SO, WHEREAS, WHERE MOST WORK OCCURRING BEHIND THE SCENES, THE MULTITUDE OF SERVICES PROVIDED BY PUBLIC WORKS EXECUTED EFFICIENTLY AND PROFESSIONALLY IS THE CORE OF THE CITY'S PERSISTENT WORK TO PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT EXCEEDS OUR RESIDENTS' EXPECTATIONS ALIKE. VIRTUE AS MAYOR OF FERNA BEACH DO EXPRESSLY GIVE SINCERE GRATITUDE TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING DEDICATION IN THE LAST 136 YEARS.

I AFFIX MY SEAL TO THIS AND PUT OUR HANDS TOGETHER FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

WE WILL GET A PICTURE. STAND OVER TO THE SIDE.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS, GUYS. APPRECIATE YOU.

JEREMIAH OR ANYBODY FROM MAINTENANCE.

>> MY, A LOT HAS CHANGE IN 136 YEARS.

YOU WERE THERE ON THE FIRST DAY. >> THREE EMPLOYEES STARTED THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT 136 YEARS AGO AND WHAT A CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH WHAT HAPPENED STARTED THEN AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW. WHAT THEY DID DO IS CREATE A FRAMEWORK. A FRAMEWORK OF WHICH IS INFRASTRUCTURE IN WHICH COMMUNITY -- COMMUNITY CAN EXIST. SO I AM PROUD OF THE EMPLOYEES HERE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND A LOT THAT WORK BEHIND THE SCENES. AS MENTIONED A LOT OF THESE DUTIES ARE PERFORMED IN THE DARK OF NIGHT.

A LOT OF THESE DUTIES ARE PERFORMED AND YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THEM UNTIL YOU NEED THEM. PROCESSING MILLION OF DOLLARS OF WATER A YEAR AND DISTRIBUTION TO KEEP THE CITY RUNNING, THAT IS WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES. FROM THREE EMPLOYEES TO 56.

AND, YOU KNOW, HANDLING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS THE VICE-MAYOR MENTIONED 1.6 MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR TAKES A LOT OF WORK.

A LOT CAN BE SAID WITH WHAT THIS TEAM DOES AND PROUD TO WORK WITH

ALL OF THEM. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, JEREMIAH.

[4.2 BUDGET SUMMARY]

>>MAYOR BEAN: APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO WITH THAT, WE WILL HEAD TO 4-2, WHICH IS THE BUDGET SUMMARY.

OUR COMPTROLLER MISS TESTAGROSE. >>COMPTROLLER TESTAGROSE: THANK YOU, I AM PAULINE TESTAGROSE. FOR THE GENERAL FUND YEAR-TO-DATE REVENUES AT 97.9% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

IN IS DUE TO THE TIMING OF THE PROPERTY TAX, FRANCHISE GUYS AND STATE REVENUE RECEIPTS. OVERALL YEAR-TO-DATE IS BELOW THE 83.3% AT 69% OF THE BUDGET. SOME DEPARTMENTS MAY BE OVER IT DUE TO THE ANNUAL SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS.

FOR SOME OF THE OTHER FUNDS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND ENCUMBRANCES AND PAYMENTS ON THE FIRE TRUCK, REPORTING PROJECT, THE NEW PAYROLL SYSTEM, LIBRARIES, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. FOR THE GOLF COURSE, MEMBERSHIP REVENUES UP 17,000 OR 10% VERSUS LAST YEAR.

THE AIRPORT, MOST REVENUE SOURCES ABOVE THE 83.3% MARK.

WATER AND WASTEWATER, THE BUDGET ANTICIPATED EXPENSES DUE TO THE LARGE PROJECTS. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>>MAYOR: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS TESTAGROSE.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM ON THE CONTENT.

5.1, BEACH RENOURISHMENT. AND WE WILL SPEAK THAT LATER BECAUSE WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THAT. WE WILL LET HIM DO THAT.

A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE.

CITY CLERK. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

[5.1 BEACH RENOURISHMENT - CITY EXPRESSION OF SUPPORT]

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0. WE WILL NOW ADDRESS ITEM 5.1, BEACH RENOURISHMENT. CITY EXPRESSION OF SUPPORT.

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PUBLIC COMMENT. >>CHARLES GEORGE: AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE CORPS OF ENGINEER IS IN THE PROCESS OF A SHORE PROTECTION PROJECT IN 2024 LATE FALL.

SO THIS -- THIS EXPRESSION OF SUPPORT WILL JUST VERIFY THAT WE WERE ON BOARD WITH THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE NUMERICAL PART OF IT.

THE CITY'S CHAIR OF THE $29 MILLION OF BEACH RENOURISHMENT 5.6% OR 5.16 MILLION, MATCHES THE SAME NUMBER FOR THE COUNTY AND THE STATE ABOUT 11.9%. SO THE MONEY FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IS GOING TO COME FROM THE MSTU.

THOSE ARE WHERE THOSE NUMBERS WILL COME FROM.

THEY HAVE MORE THAN THAT AMOUNT IN THEIR MSTU FUNDS.

SO WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO. DESIGN ON THE PROJECT WILL START IF IN LATE MAY AND HOPEFULLY CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT IN NOVEMBER OF 2024.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE.

APPRECIATE THAT. HEAD TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

VICE-MAYOR LEN KRIEGER TO THE POD

PODIUM. >> LEN KRIEGER, 1313 BEACH STREET. WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I THOUGHT I WOULD TALK ABOUT IT.

SEVEN YEARS ON THE COMMISSION AND SIX YEARS ON THE P.A.B.

RENOURISHMENT WAS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE.

SINCE 2008, $70 MILLION OF RENOURISHMENT ON OUR BEMAS.

THE CONDITIONS OF OUR BEACHES. ANYBODY -- IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW GO TO NORTH BEACH PARK. WHERE THE WALKOVER STOPS IS THE DUNE AS A RESULT OF THE RENOURISHMENT.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.

THIS IS THRILL THE SECOND 2008 SHORE PROTECTION PROJECT WHICH IS CITY SPONSORED, NOT COUNTY. THE ORIGINAL IS $15 MILLION.

AND LOCAL SHARE WAS $175 MILLION.

IN 2015, WE ESTABLISHED THE MSTU WITH THE GOAL OF RAISING THE $1.5 MILLION EVERY YEAR. THEY DIDN'T DO THE SECOND ONE WE ARE AT IT NOW AND PROBABLY $3 MILLION SOMETHING.

THE FUNDING FOR BEACH RENOURISHMENT, WE NEVER USED THE MSTU EXCEPT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.

THE LARGE 2017 TO 2018, $32 MILLION PROJECT, WE USED TDC MONEY. ORIGINALLY $700,000 AND ALL BUT THE TWO NEW GUYS. THEY TALKED ABOUT IT.

A HYBRID PROJECT WHICH GETS US -- THIS COULD IN FACT -- THIS IS A $21 MILLION PROJECT WHERE WE WOULD -- THEY PAY OUR FAIR SHARE. IT WOULD BE 6%.

AND THE COUNTY 6%. BUT WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE 9% FROM THE STATE SO IT COULD BE 4 MILLION.

THAT MONEY IS NOT IN THE MSTU WHICH GETS US TO WHERE WE ARE GOING, YOU KNOW. END RESULT, THIS COULD -- THIS COULD BE A FREE PROJECT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NAVY IS DOING AND DEPENDING ON ANY HURRICANE MONEY.

IT COULD BE LESS OR COULD BE EXPOSURE AND COULD BE MORE.

THAT BEING SAID, AND THE BACKGROUND -- THIS GOES BACK -- PLENTY OF TIME. TO 1998 AGREEMENT WITH THE NAVY AND 2008 WITH US. WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS.

AND MY LAST 43 SECONDS IS, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE SIX MONTHS INTO THE COMMISSION AND WAITING TO GET MONEY FROM THE TDC. WE WILL OPEN A BID FOR SEASIDE WALKOVER, I BELIEVE, ON THE 24ST.

WE APPROVED THE AUTHORIZATION. THAT MONEY IS SITTING THERE -- MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS.

AND THEY HAVE NEVER OFFICIALLY COMMITTED FOR THIS, WE NEED TO START GOING ON THAT. YOU LOOK AT SEASIDE PARK AND NORTH PARK. THEY ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE CITY AND NOT TO MENTION THEY ARE UNSAFE IN SOME CASES.

I AM ENCOURAGING AND PIGGYBACKING AND GETTING THE

HARMONIZATION GOING. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR. APPRECIATE THAT.

IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW THE VICE-MAYOR WAS INSTRUMENTAL -- A WORKHORSE TO GET THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE HAVE VICE-MAYOR.

WITH THAT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THIS IS POSSIBLY THE BEST RETURN WE COULD POSSIBLY ME GET ON TAXPAYER DOLLAR WITH THIS KIND OF MATCH COMING IN FROM DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

I LOOK FORWARD TO VOTING YES ON THIS.

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>> NO MOTION AND SECOND. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: CITY CLERK, PLEASE

CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

[6.1 CHANGE ORDERS 1 & 2 - C.C. BORDEN CONSTRUCTION, INC. & BUDGET AMENDMENT]

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0. HEADING TO 6.1, RESOLUTIONS, CHANGE ORDERS 1 AND 2, C.C. BORDEN CONSTRUCTION AND BUDGET AMOUNT. TAKE US AWAY.

>> RESOLUTION FOR CHANGE ORDERS 1 AND 2 OF THE GOLF COURSE CLUBHOUSE AND INTERIOR REMODEL PROJECT.

WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY WITH UNKNOWN REPAIRS.

WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE ISSUES WITH THE CEILING AND OVERAGE OF $900. WE NEED COMMISSION APPROVAL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE INVOICE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

>> MAKE A FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

[6.2 BOSQUE BELLO FENCING PROJECT]

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. THAT PASSES 5-0.

ITEM 6-2, BOSQUE BELLO FENCING PROJECT.

>> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS BEFORE YOU THE NEXTING FOR BOSQUE BELLO CEMETERY. SINCE WE -- SINGS I HAVE BEEN OUT HERE MET WITH THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO, WITH THE AMELIA ISLAND FOUNDATION AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE FUNERAL HOME. WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE DESIGN AND CONCEPT. CAROLINE, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE DESIGN CON STYLE FILE FOR US.

A SIX-FOOT BLACK FENCE WITH PRESS POINT TIPS.

TWO DECORATIVE GATES AND THREE STANDARD GATES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS WELL. PRICE IS APPROXIMATELY $78,000.

MIGHT BE SOME SAVINGS THERE OF ABOUT $2,000, BECAUSE WE ARE ONE LESS STANDARD GATE THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.

BEHIND ME, YOU WILL SEE EXAMPLES OF A STANDARD ALUMINIUM STYLE GATE WITH PRESS POINT TIPS. DECORATIVE.

TWO OF THOSE ONE IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND ONE IN THE NORTH ENTRANCE. A SMALLER PICTURE OF A WALK-IN GATE BUT BASICALLY STAYS WITH THE DESIGN OF THE FENCE.

THE STANDARD GATES LOOK VERY SIMILAR.

IF YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THE LAYOUT, OPTION TWO, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. OPTION TWO IS WHAT WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT AND I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. THERE IS ONE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE MENTION. THE NORTH GATE FOR THE CEMETERY WILL EITHER BE AT HOLLY OR PINE. WE WANT TO DO GROUND MONITORING AND RADAR IN THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THE LOCATION FOR THE GATE IS APPROPRIATE. SO THE WHY HE WILL LOW LINE DELINEATES THE FENCE ALL ALONG 14TH STREET.

YOU CAN SEE THE WORD "GATE" IN PURPLE FROM BOSQUE BELLO.

UP TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE IT AT HOLLY BUT MIGHT BE AT PINE.

SO CITY WILL STILL FIGURE THAT OUT.

OH, CAN YOU GO TO OPTION 2, SORRY, CAROLINE.

AND ONE BACK UP. THERE WE GO.

IS THE RECOMMENDATION. SO NOW YOU WILL SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. TWO GREEN GATES AT PINE AND K57 CEDAR. WHAT IS HAPPENING CLOSE OFF SOME OF THE INTERIOR ROWS OF THE CEMETERY HOLLY WILL BE CLOSED TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC BOTH WAYS. OAK AS WELL AND COOPER AS WELL.

NASSAU, BOSQUE BELLO, CEDAR AND PINE.

WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS FROM ALL FOUR GROUPS AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: BEFORE WE DISCUSS. CAN I HEAR A MOTION.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY QUESTIONS FOR KATHERINE.

I HAVE ONE. AS YOU SAID BOTH THE STYLE, DESIGN AND PLACEMENT, ALL ASPECTS CONSENSUS, PARKS AND REC, THE FUNERAL HOME. EVERYBODY AGREES.

IT'S GREAT? >> YES, IT IS GREAT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: VICE-MAYOR, GO AHEAD.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

KATHERINE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

THE YELLOW OUTLINED PART, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE SHOOTING FOR THE FENCE ALL ACROSS THE FRONT, CORRECT?

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: BY CLOSING THESE ROADS, THAT WON'T CAUSE A PROBLEM.

I KNOW YOU SAID YOU HAVE CONSENSUS FROM EVERYBODY AS FAR AS THE FEW REMAINING GRAVE SITES FOR THEM TO GET EQUIPMENT IN

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>> YES, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FUNERAL HOME.

AND, YES, THEY ARE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THAT IS REALLY MY ONLY CONCERN.

THE REST OF IT IS DOWNHILL. IF WE APPROVED THIS CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT IT OUT TO BID?

>> WE ALREADY HAVE A FENCING CONTRACTOR.

IF THIS GETS APPROVED TODAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT FOUR TO FIVE WEEKS OF DELIVERY OF THE FENCING AND WILL BE INSTALLED ONCE IT IS

DELIVERED. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: GREAT.

YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE THAT IS APPROVED?

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: IN OTHER WORDS, AN APPROVED CONTRACTOR OF THE CITY.

>> ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS, YOU APPROVED THE CONTRACTOR.

WORKING ON CENTRAL PARK FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, ALL THAT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE APPROVED THE FENCE CONTINGENT OF SEEING THE DESIGN COME BEFORE US.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I PERSONALLY LOVE HOW IT LOOKS.

A GREAT MOVE. ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT. LET'S CALL UP MISS JULIE GUERRA.

>> CAN YOU LEAVE THAT PICTURE U

UP? >> JULIE FERARRA, 501 DATE CACHE STREET. MY QUESTION IS IN DOING THESE FENCES AND BLOCKING OFF TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.

-- WHEN I DIE OR WHEN OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAMILY PLOTS DIE THAT ARE IN THE OLD PART OF THE CEMETERY, WHAT IS THE ACCESS GOING TO BE FOR CEMETERY AND GRAVE SIDE SERVICES? BECAUSE WHEN I AM 120 AND DIE AND ALL YOU GUYS ARE 105, I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND WALK TO THAT SITE, WHICH IS -- RIGHT THERE. SO I AM JUST WONDERING WHAT IS THE ACCESS GOING TO BE FOR ACTIVE GRAVE SITE SERVICES?

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT QUESTION DOES NOT AFFECT --

>>MAYOR BEAN: GO AHEAD, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: IT DOESN'T

AFFECT THE OLD CEMETERY AT ALL? >> DOESN'T AFFECT PEOPLE GETTING BACK THERE WITH CARS TO PARK TO GO TO --

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU CAN CORRECT ME AND THE CITY MANAGER CAN CORRECT ME. I HAVE BEEN TO ALL THESE MEETINGS. NO DISCUSSION OF THIS OLD CEMETERY AND BLOCKING IN ANY WAY.

>> NO, I AM WONDERING HOW PEOPLE PARK ALONG THE ROADS TO GET TO -- TO GET TO GRAVE SIDE BURIALS, AND I AM JUST WONDER GOING THAT IS BLOCKED OFF NOW. THAT IS MY ONLY QUESTION.

>>MAYOR BEAN: I WILL JUMP IN REAL QUICK AND I DON'T NECESSARILY TO HAVE A BACK AND FORTH HERE.

MISS FERARRA, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT IS NOW.

MAIN ROADS ARE OPEN AND OPERATIONAL AND THE BACK WILL HAVE SIMILAR IF NOT THE SAME ACCESS AS IT DOES CURRENTLY.

>> OKAY. JUST A QUESTION.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU. MR. GEORGE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

CLARIFY -- OR ELABORATE. >>CHARLES GEORGE: JUST A POINT OF ORDER. VOTING ON OPTION 2.

JUST FOR THE RECORD. BECAUSE IT REALLY WASN'T STATED

THAT WAY. >>MAYOR BEAN: PERFECT.

THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE. APPRECIATE THAT.

OPTION 2. WE SAW THE PICTURE.

A MOTION AND A SECOND AND WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING OUT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

[6.3 IMPACT FEE WITHHOLDING - JOSEPH J TAYLOR + DOROTHY A MARTIN (ET AL)]

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. THAT PASS 5-0.

6-3, IMPACT FEE WITHHOLDING. JOSEPH J. TAYLOR AND DOROTHY A.

MARTIN. WE WILL HEAR FROM MISS GIBSON ON

THIS ONE. >> GOOD EVENING, TONIGHT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF A IMPACT FEE OR REFUND IN THE AMOUNT OF $1813.97. MR. AND MRS. MR. TAYLOR AND MISS MARTIN A 5010-SQUARE-FOOT DWELLING UNIT.

AN OBLIGATION THROUGH AN AFFIDAVIT THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE FILED WHENEVER YOU DECIDE TO BUILD AND DEVELOP AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT YOU WILL RENT IT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PUR PURPOSES.

RECOGNIZING THAT ALONGSIDE OUR 2009 RESOLUTION WHICH ESTABLISHED THE PROCEDURE FOR FILING WITH -- FOR IMPACT FEE WITHHOLDINGS OR REFUNDS. MR. TAYLOR HAS APPROACHED THE CITY AND QUALIFIED THROUGH DEMONSTRATED EVIDENCE IN THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED BREAKING DOWN HOW THEY QUALIFY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT POLICY AND IS REQUESTING A REFUND.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS GIBSON.

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VICE-MAYOR STURGES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU. KELLY, PER OUR CONVERSATION, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANYONE HAVE EVER ASKED FOR IMPACT GUYS BACK FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING IN OUR CITY, CORRECT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: I APPLAUD THEM FOR LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR ANY WAY WE CAN DO IT THESE DAYS.

I AM JUST MANAGING THAT POINT. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WILL VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I JUST UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE HAVE ASKED FOR THIS REGULARLY RUN -- AND NOT THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND NOT A GOVERNMENTAL BODY.

JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS SO THEY UNDERSTAND. THAT'S IT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS GIBSON.

I HAVE ONE, MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.

WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER AND FROM EARLIER TALKS ABOUT THIS, WE ARE OBLIGATED BY STATE LAW TO DO THIS WHEN ASKED.

IS THAT CORRECT IN THIS CASE? >> NO, THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED A POLICY TO ALLOW FOR A REFUND WHEN PEOPLE MEET THE CRITERIA.

AND THAT IS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE RESOLUTION ITSELF.

AND HOW THIS APPLICANT HAS ACHIEVED THOSE CRITERIA IS ALSO PROVIDED FOR IN THE BACK-UP. THE STATE HAS MANDATED THAT WE REQUIRE ANYONE WHO IS DEVELOPING AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT IF WE ARE TO RENT THAT, THEY WILL RENT IT TO SOMEONE -- OR A RANGE OF EITHER MODERATE INCOME TO

EXTREMELY LOW INCOME. >>MAYOR BEAN: UNDERSTOOD.

THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT IF YOU BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING IT WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSE GOING YOU ARE GOING TO RENT IT.

>> CORRECT. >>MAYOR BEAN: NUMBER TWO OUR CITY POLICY, THAT IS WHAT CURRENTLY SAYS WE SHOULD TRY TO ENCOURAGE SUCH THINGS AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> CORRECT. >>MAYOR BEAN: UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR MISS GIBSON? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS OR DISCUSSIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: FLOSS MOTION, IS THERE?

>>MAYOR: I DO NOT HAVE A MOTION. >> MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND SECOND.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, COMMENT? >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I TOTALLY SUPPORT WITHHOLDING IMPACT GUYS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THAT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISN'T HELD THAT WAY IN PERPETUITY WHICH THIS IS NOT.

NUMBER TWO, THERE IS A MECHANISM FOR ENFORCING TO MAKE SURE IT IS RENTED OUT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS NOT.

AND NUMBER THREE, IT IS REQUIRED TO BE RECORDED WITH THE PROPERTY, SO WHEN THE PROPERTY GETS SOLD, THE NEXT PERSON KNOWS THEY HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH THIS DOES NOT.

AND THAT IT TRULY WILL BE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS UP TO -- FOR MODERATE HOUSING, WHICH YOU CAN RENT THAT FACILITY FOR $1100.

WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE IS AFFORDABLE SHOWING FOR A 500-SQUARE-FOOT APARTMENT. SO I AM OPPOSED TO THIS, REFUNDING THIS IMPACT FEE WITHOUT MEETING THOSE REQUIREMENTS. IF YOU WANT TO ATTACH THESE REQUIREMENTS TO IT, I WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM SUPPORTING IT.

BUT AS WRITTEN, SOMEONE GETS THE BENEFIT OF THE IMPACT FEE.

AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED OR ENFORCED TO FOLLOW THAT.

I AM SURE THESE PEOPLE WILL, BUT THE PEOPLE COMING AFTER THEM, WHO KNOWS. THAT IS MY THOUGHT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: CAN I CALL MISS GIBSON UP, IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE.

WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS -- I DON'T WANT TO STEAL YOUR THUNDER IF YOU WANT TO GO FIRST. I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE POINTS. SO WHAT DOES -- YOU SAY THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS WHAT OBLIGATES IF YOU BUILD SUCH AN ACCESSORY DWELLING, THE STATE OF FLORIDA -- FLORIDA IS OBLIGATED .WHAT IS THE MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT IT STAYS AFFORDABLE

HOUSING. >> WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO OBLIGATE THEM. AS COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID, NOTHING IN YOUR RESOLUTION FOR WITHHOLDING OR REFUNDING THOSE GUYS. PUTTING IT ON THE HOOK IN PERPETUITY. NO OVERSIGHT OF IT.

WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR LEASE AGREEMENTS OR NORTH CAROLINA STATEMENTS OF THOSE WHO ARE RENTING TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE MEETING THIS. THE OBLIGATION ON THE STATE SIGN, SIMPLY THAT YOU FILE AN AFFIDAVIT WITH US THAT WHEN YOU BUILD THIS, YOU WOULD RENT THIS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PURPOSES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: NOTHING FROM THE STATE LEVEL EITHER?

>> NO. >>MAYOR BEAN: ALL RIGHT,

COMMISSIONER ASYCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: MY STATEMENT HAS A COMMISSION, CAN WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION NOW.

>> YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND YOUR POLICY.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: SPECIAL MEETINGS AND P.A.B.

>> THIS IS RESOLUTION BY THE COMMISSION AT THE PRESENT TIME.

TO CHANGE IT WILL BE MODIFYING THE 2009 RESOLUTION TO ADD

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TO SEE THAT BOUND IN THE FUTURE. >>MAYOR BEAN: IF WE ARE DOING THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS FROM THAT -- IF THAT IS AMENABLE TO THE COMMISSION. WHAT DO YOU THINK ON THIS? DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN OPINION? AT THIS POINT IN TIME, MY CURRENT THOUGHTS -- I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING.

WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING UNDER THE PRETENSE THERE SHOULD ALWAYS BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE.

I AM NOT SURE -- I AM SURE IT IS SOME WAY AND THAT'S IT.

VICE-MAYOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THIS AS A BUILDER THAT I SEE ARE TROUBLING -- NOT NECESSARILY TROUBLING BUT THERE ARE ALL THESE DIFFERENT POSITIONS THAT YOU ARE INTO. SO NUMBER ONE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT OUR PROPERTY OWNERS AND EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY WANT TO VOTE ON AN ACCESSORY DWELLING, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT ACCESSORY DWELLING; HOWEVER, IF THEY ARE GOING TO GET SOME SORT OF REBATES OR SOME SORT OF THING OFF OR ASK FOR THEIR IMPACT GUYS, I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW CRITERIA OF SOME NATURE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT SECONDLY, IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE AND WE ARE GOING TO -- AFFORDABLE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF -- THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I BROUGHT UP IN MY MEETING AND DISCUSSED WITH KELLY AT ONE POINT, WAS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT STIPULATIONS ARE YOU GO GOING TO PUT IN? BECAUSE WE HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS RENTED FOR MARKET RATE OR CLOSE TO MARKET RATE.

AND I LIKE THE WHOLE ACCESSORY DWELLING BECAUSE GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE MORE HOUSE IN OUR AREA.

AND KEEP THE PARAMETERS SMALL SO WE ARE NOT TAKING ADDITIONAL TREES OUT AND NOT ALTERING ALL THE TREES IN OUR SYSTEM AND STILL PROVIDING HOUSING. THAT IS THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS. SO THERE IS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WITH THIS TO TRY TO SAY, OKAY, EVERYBODY HAS TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE ACCESSORY DWELLING AFFORDABLE.

SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW -- I JUST DISH DON'T KNOW.

IT IS A COMPLEX -- IT IS MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST SAYING WE ARE GOING TO PUT THESE TWO REGULATIONS ON THIS AND THAT'S IT. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT MORE MOVING PARTS IN IT. WE MIGHT WANT TO RELOOK AT IT IF WE DO IT TODAY AND APPROVE WHOEVER THESE OWNERS ARE IMMEDIATELY NOW AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AND SAY, OKAY, THEY AE -- THEY DO HAVE THIS AND THEY ARE APPROVED; HOWEVER, IF WE APPROVE THEM TODAY, IF WE BRING A NEW RESERVATION FOR EVERY PERSON RENTING AND WHAT IS THEIR AFFORDABILITY IN HOW THEY ARE RENTING IT. THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT -- OBVIOUSLY TAMMY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, BUT I BELIEVE IT TWO BE ORDINANCES AND WOULD HAVE TO BE REWRITTEN TO

FOLLOW THIS IT. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: GIVING THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS MADE, TO FIND A WAY FOR SOME KIND OF REGULATION TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T GET ABUSED IN THE FUTURE. WITH THAT SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS OF TABLING THIS AND UNTIL WE GET MORE INFORMATION. I AM QUITE COMFORTABLE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I AGREE WITH FUTURE REGULATIONS ON IT.

COMMISSIONER ROSS BRINGS UP GOOD POINTS.

A LONG PROCESS TO GET THROUGH THAT.

UP DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS NOW.

IF IT IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION TO TABLE IT, SO TO SPEAK AND HAVE STAFF BRING BACK A RATHER LARGE SERIES OF CHANGES THAT WILL GO THROUGH PLANNING, P.A.B. ORDINANCES AND READINGS, I AM OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL.

I AM LOOKING OUT FOR THE -- IT SEEMS LIKE THE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS DOING THE RIGHT THING HERE.

THAT IS WHERE I AM WITH IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I COULD SEE ABUSE

IN THE FUTURE. >>MAYOR BEAN: EXCELLENT POINT,

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I AM

FOLLOWING LOOK AT THAT. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER ROSS,

WHAT DO YOU THINK. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE STATE REQUIRES ALL ACCESSORY UNITS -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, M MISS BACH. REQUIRES IF YOU BUILD AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND YOU WANT TO RENT IT ROAR YOU NEED TO FOLLOW WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WITH THAT BEING SID, FLORIDA HOUSE RENTING LIMIT AND THE LAST PAGE AND YOU LOOK AT THERE AND NICE LITTLE TABLE THERE, BECAUSE THE MEDIAN INCOME IN NASSAU COUNTY IS $96,000, WHICH IS HEAVILY -- HEAVILY WEIGHED

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SO YOU LOOK AT THE TABLE, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT FOR MODERATE LOO RATLEY -- MODERATE INCOME HOUSING IS NOT EVEN HIGH INCOME, BUT MODERATE INCOME HOUSING IS $1300 BUCKS. THAT IS NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. I MEAN THAT IS MARKET RATE HOUSING -- A LITTLE UNDER MARKET RATE HOUSING BUT TREMENDOUSLY UNDER. FOR A 500-SQUARE-FOOT UNIT, YOU CAN CHARGE HERE $1240 FOR A 500-SQUARE-FOOT UNIT.

I THINK THAT IS PRETTY -- WELL, WHATEVER.

SO I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THIS BEING AMENDED AND POSTPONE D UNTIL THE STAFF CAN COME BACK TO WITH THE COUNTY ORDINANCE CHANGED TO MAKE IT MORE ENFORCEABLE AND IF THE HOMEOWNERS WHICH TO, IF THIS POSSIBLE LEGALLY, IF THE HOMEOWNERS WISH TO STILL PARTAKE, I WOULD GRANT THEM IF

THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. >>MAYOR BEAN: WE WILL HEAR FROM TAMMY -- BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST, MISS BACH.

I THINK AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER AYSCUE SAID, WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE RIGHT THING.

CURRENT REGULATIONS. THEY TRY TO CHECK THE BOXES.

WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT IS REQUIRING ACCESSORY DWELLINGS TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. NOT UP TO US.

IF YOU BUILD A ACCESSORY DWELLING ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA STATE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS. THAT IS THE RULE .WHAT WE ARE DOING IS LOOKING AT CITY POLICY WHICH IS TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THE BUILDING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A WAY THAT I DON'T THINK DISRUPTS OUR CANOPY AS OTHER WAYS.

THIS IS HONESTLY A GOOD INCENTIVE OF WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING INTO HOW TO ENCOURAGE AFFORDABLE HOUSE TOCK ENCOURAGED. AND I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE.

DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN INCENTIVE THAT THEN CAN BE ABUSED, RIGHT, SO I DO THINK THAT THESE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT ASKING FOR THIS. THEY ARE TRYING TO USE THIS INCENTIVE THE RIGHT WAY. THESE FOLKS ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND THEY ARE MAKING SURE -- I AM INTERESTED AS COMMISSIONER ANTUN, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, COMMISSIONER STURGES AND ROSS. YOU HOW WE CAN TAKE THIS INCENTIVE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW AND -- TONIGHT, LET'S NOT KEEP THESE PEOPLE WAITING. MISS BACH WHAT DO YOU SAY?

>>TAMMI BACH: PARTIALLY WHAT GIVING TO SAY.

I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WE TAKE THESE CONDITIONS AND RETROACTIVELY APPLY IT TO THIS FAMILY WHO APPLIED.

IF YOU OPEN TO APPROVING IT, YOU APPROVE IT -- WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR NASSAU HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THOSE PROPERTIES ARE RESTRICTED FOR THE HOMEOWNER WHO PURCHASE THOSE PROPERTIES.

BUT THEY ARE NOT RESTRICTED FOREVER.

EVEN WHAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY, THOSE HOMEOWNERS AT SOME POINT ARE RELEASED FROM THOSE RESTRICTIONS. SO NASSAU HABITAT FOR HUMANITY HAS RECEIVED THESE REFUNDS IN THE PAST.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS ASKING FOR THE REFUNDS. SO I HAVE TO TREAT THEM THE SAME, IF THEY ARE SAYING THEY SIGNED AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING IT WILL BE AFFORDABLE. AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. I LIKE BETTER THE ORDINANCE OPTION SO WE CAN SET UP AN APPEAL AND ALL THAT.

IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE OF THESE NOT TO NEXT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. WE WILL HAVE THIS ON A BIGGER SCALE WITH MULTIPLE UNITS, THEY WILL BE ASKING FOR REFUNDS FOR UNITS. REFUNDS ON PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT IF ONLY PART IS AFFORDABLE.

SO ANYWAY, I THINK WE DO -- WE GO FORWARD WITH AN ORDINANCE NOT JUST AMENDING THE RESOLUTION THAT IS ON THE BOOKS NOW.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MISS BACH, DO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION TO WORK ON

SAID ORDINANCE. >> I DO.

AND IT WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING AND ADVISORY BOARD.

IT IS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD PUT

IT. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU FOR THAT MISS BACH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

VICE-MAYOR. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU. TAMMI, REBRIEFLY.

I KNOW YOU WERE RETURNING TO YOUR SEAT.

AND I WANTED TO CATCH YOU BEFORE YOU TURNED AROUND.

IF WE DECIDE TO ALTER IT, YES IT HAS TO BE OFFERED BECAUSE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY GETS THESE DISCOUNTS AT SOME POINT WHEN THEY PAY THEIR MORTGAGE OFF 10, 15 YEARS LATER THEY BASICALLY

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>>TAMMI BACH: CORRECT. YEP.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: IF WE ARE GOING TO OFFER THIS AND SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE IT. AT SOME POINT THAT WE HAVE A REGULATION SET FOR SO MANY YEARS IF SOMEONE BUILDS ONE OF THESE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS, TEN YEARS, 15 YEARS, YOU HAVE TO DO IT AT

MARKET RATE. >>TAMMI BACH: ESSENTIALLY THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS, THE CITY LIKE WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH GRANT MONIES. THE CITY HAS GIVEN OUT GRANT MONIES FOR HOUSING REHABILITATION AND OTHER THINGS WHEN YOU PUT THE TYPE OF MORTGAGE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR HOW MANY YEARS AND PERPETUITY.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT. THE PROPERTY MUST BE AFFORDABLE FOR X AMOUNTS PLUS INTEREST NEED TO BE PAID BACK.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AT SOME LATER

DATE. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU,

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WHEN I PROPOSED THIS BEFORE FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. THIS IS NO NEW ISSUE.

IF THEY DO SELL IT AT MARKET RATE, YOU CAN PUT A PROVISO, PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. AT THIS TIME IF THEY SELL IT, THEY PAY THE CITY THE IMPACT FEE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

IF THEY SELL IT NOT AT MARKET RATE OR DO WHAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOES WITH THEIR PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT. CORRECT?

>>TAMMI BACH: THAT'S RIGHT. >>MAYOR BEAN: LATER TIME WE WILL IF LOOK AT THE DETAILS, THE NITTY GRITTY.

WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE TAYLOR AND MARTIN FAMILY FOR THEIR WORK TO HELP PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSE HERE IN FERNANDINA. WITH THAT CALL THE VOTE.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. THAT PASSES 4-1.

[6.4 BUDGET AMENDMENT - GOLF DEPARTMENT]

6.4, BUDGET AMENDMENT, GOLF DEPARTMENT.

MR. DAVID DEMAY IS HERE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT ALLOWS US TO TRANSFER FUNDS INTO OUR OPERATIONAL ACCOUNT SO WE CAN PAY OUR MONTHLY BILLS.

>>MAYOR BEAN: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. HEAR A MOWING.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY DISCUSSION SEEING NONE. CLERK, CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO -- YES.

I HAVE BEEN TO THE DERMATOLOGIST AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY MY HEAD IS RED AND SOMETIMES I LOSE ATTENTION.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. YES, OF COURSE.

[LAUGHTER] WAS I THE LAST ONE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: AND YES. [LAUGHTER] AND YES. THAT'S GOOD.

THANK YOU, THAT PASSES 4-1 ALMOST.

REALLY WENT 5-0. 657, GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE

[6.5 GRANT APPLICATION - FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION RESILIENT FLORIDA]

JACOBS. >> GOOD MORNING GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT RESILIENT GRANT. BEFORE YOU CAN QUALIFY IN THE FUTURE FOR RESILIENCY YOU NEED A JURISDICTION-WIDE RESILIENCY.

WE HAVE THAT. AND THE VERY LAST LEG IS THE ADAPTATION AREA STUDY. SO IT DOES THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE ELEMENTS A NEW NEED BEFORE YOU HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

IT PUTS IN PLACE VARIABLES LIKE PLANNING FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION, CONSTRUCTION PLANS, IF YOU NEED LAND CODE ADJUSTMENTS.

JUST GETS YOU READY TO BE SHOW READY.

NO MATCH AND ASKING FOR $95,000. >>MAYOR BEAN: GREAT.

>> MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MISS JACOBS, DO WE HAVE A GOOD SHOT AT THIS GRANT?

>> I AM GLAD YOU ASKED. BECAUSE IT IS NICE TO MANAGE

EXPECTATIONS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WILL TAKE THAT AS A NO. [LAUGHTER]

>> IDEALLY -- THIS GRANT IS DUE SEPTEMBER 1, AND IDEALLY THEY ARE REALLY WANTING TO GIVE THIS GRANT TO PEOPLE WHO COMPLETED THEIR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. WE WON'T BE COMPLETE WITH OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. WE WILL BE FOUR MONTHS' SHY OF THAT AND WE WILL BE APPLYING SAYING DURING THE GRANT IMPLEMENTATION THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT DONE, BUT I AM A

LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS JACOBS. MOTION AND A SECOND.

NO MORE DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

[7.1 MASTER FEE SCHEDULE]

WE ARE IN OUR ORDINANCES. FIRST READING OF OUR MASTER FEE

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CITY ATTORNEY. >>TAMMI BACH: ORDINANCE 2023-31 ESTABLISHING AND AMENDING GUYS FOR THE AIRPORT BUILDING, CODE ENFORCEMENT, CEMETERY, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, FIRE, GOLF COURSE, MARINA, PARK AND RECREATION, PLANNING, POLICE, SANITATION, STORMWATER, INSTEAD OF IMPACT, SHOULD SAY WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY GUYS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT ANY PLACE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WATER AND SEWER AND WATER SHOULD SAY CAPACITY GUYS NOT IMPACT GUYS.

I WILL EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE LATER.

THE OTHER IS STAFF WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND -- ALTHOUGH NOT IN FRONT OF YOU? OTHER COMMISSIONER BROUGHT THIS UP COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, A GOOD POINT.

FALSE ALARGES WHEN SECURITY ALARM ON A PROPERTY'S HOME AND BUSINESS GOES OFF ACCIDENTALLY AND IS A FALSE ALARM AND POLICE AND OR FIRE DEPARTMENT RESPOND, MANY COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING OURS, HAVE A PENALTY. YOU GO EIGHT COUPLE OF FREEBIES.

WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME YOU THEN GET A FINE.

IN OUR CASE, THAT IS WITHIN A SIX-MONTH PERIOD YOU GET THREE FREEBIES AND THEN A $20 FINE UP TO 12 IN THAT SIX-MONTH PERIOD.

AFTER THAT $100. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE -- WE WERE REMISS NOT INCLUDING THAT AND THIS WILL COME IN.

THIS MASTER FEE SCHEDULE INCLUDING SOME FEES THAT ARE UNDERLINED AS IF THEY ARE BRAND-NEW FEES.

ER IN NOT BRAND-NEW. THEY ARE CONTAINED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. WE DISCUSSED THAT WE WANTED THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE AND ONE WE MISSED.

FALSE ALARMS, THAT SHOULD GO IN THERE AND BE EXACTLY LIKE IT IS IN 38-40 OF THE CITY CODE AND WE WILL PUT THAT AND WILL BE SEEN

FOR SECOND READING. >>MAYOR BEAN: EXCELLENT.

START WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND AND THEN INTO DISCUSSION.

AND COMMISSIONERS, SKILL CAN THAT WE TAKE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND FIRST. WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE SOME

AMENDMENTS HERE. >> MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: I HEAR THE MOTION AND A SECOND. GO TO DISCUSSION.

START WITH COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I HAVE A FEW THINGS. I DID A PRETTY DEEP DIVE INTO THE FEE SCHEDULE. AND REALLY JUST A HANDFUL OF THINGS THAT I SAW THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP.

I WENT THROUGH AND STARTING AT THE MARINA, THE ONLY CHANGE IS I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE COMPARISON OF WHAT THE RATES WERE LAST YEAR AND WHAT THEY WERE THIS YEAR, BUT IF THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN RATE IN THE COMMISSION, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ASK TO SEEK IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE WAS OUR COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN OR CHARTER FISHERMEN.

THEY ARE GETTING READY TO GO INTO THEIR OFF-SEASON AND OFTENTIMES, THEY WILL HAVE TO PLAN OUT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS.

SO FOR US TO SET THIS FEE SCHEDULE, I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND SAY, HEY, NEXT YEAR WE WILL GO UP ON RATES. BUT THIS YEAR WE WILL PAUSE, JUST SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND BECAUSE I KNOW THEIR INDUSTRY A LITTLE BIT. I DIDN'T KNOW ANY APPETITE FOR THAT. IF THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE

CHARTER FISHERMAN. >>MAYOR BEAN: ABSOLUTELY, COMMISSIONER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

DISCUSS YOUR ISSUES OR GO THROUGH THE ALBUM.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: DISCUSS THEM ONE BY ONE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: OPINIONS ON THE MARINA FEE SCHEDULE.

I WILL GO TO THE VICE-MAYOR FIRST.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

DARREN, WHAT ARE ARE THE DIFFERENCES THAT ARE PRO PROPOSED VERSUS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR.

>> IF THE COST WAS INCREASED OR WHAT REVENUE WILL BE LOST

BECAUSE OF IT. >> KATHY CHAPMAN, MARINA MANAGER. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE INCREASE FROM THE CURRENT RATE TO THE PROPOSED RATE FOR

COMMERCIAL OPERATORS? >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES,

MA'AM. >> SURE.

WE HAVE A RATE FOR OUR ANNUAL LONG-TERM $25 PER FOOT PER MONTH. THE PROPOSAL FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS WAS PROPOSED -- I SHOULD BACKTRACK AT THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD MEETING TO INTRODUCE A $30 PER-FOOT PER-MONTH RATE FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS .WEIGH TOOK COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE AND THE TWO MARINA ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS WHO EXPRESSED THE SUGGESTION TO INTRODUCE $27.50 FOR COMMERCIAL OPERATORS. THAT REPRESENTS A 10% INCREASE OVER THE CURRENT RATE AND THAT MORE OF AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE AND WE TOOK THOSE COMMENTS TO HEART AND WHAT WE SUGGEST $27.50

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FOOT. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MISS CHAPMAN WHILE SHE IS HERE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS CHAPMAN.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON MARINA. VICE-MAYOR SPOKE GOING TO YOU

NEXT, COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: LET ME FINISH MY POINT. DARREN, BASICALLY YOU ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP IT $25 FOR THE COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN FOR A TIME

PERIOD OR FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. >> FOR THE UNDERSTANDING THAT NEXT YEAR IT WILL INCREASE. AND EVEN IF IT WAS $2.50 OR $3 OR $4, BASICALLY GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF LEAD TIME TO GET -- GET IT IN ORDER IN ORDER TO --

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: SO CURRENTLY, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, I DON'T WANT KATHY TO GO ALL THE WAY UP, OR MAYBE SHE CAN NOD.

EVERYTHING IS 25 OR A FOOT IF IT IS COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL LEASE RATES? YEAH OKAY.

THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENTIAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE PERSON THAT IS JUST LEASING THERE. I DON'T MIND THAT.

I THINK THAT IS FINE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO DO IT -- YEAH, SO I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION. IT IS INTERESTING THAT SHE BROUGHT THAT UP AND SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP AT THE MEETING BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE SAID LET'S GO INCREMENTALLY TO $28 OR $26 OR SOME OTHER NUMBER TO DO IT IN BABY STEPS.

BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS WE LIMP ALONG AND SEE THE INFLATION AND THE DIFFERENT COSTS -- I CAN GO ALL NIGHT LONG TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT THE REALITY IS COSTS ARE GOING UP AND EVERYTHING IS GOING UP.

WE DON'T WANT TO HIT OUR RESIDENTS AND OR OUR COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN ALL AT ONE TIME. CHARLIE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING

TO SAY? >>CHARLES GEORGE: YES, I THINK -- BECAUSE THAT RATE IS IN A CLASSIFICATION, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PULL OUT CHARTER FISHERMEN AND -- YOU NEED TO DO IT FOR ALL COMMERCIAL -- YOU JUST CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T -- SPURRIER SPURRIER CHARTER FISHERMEN, I UNDERSTAND.

>> I KNOW I BROUGHT CHARTER FISHERMEN INTO IT, BUT BECAUSE THE CHARTER -- THE WAY THE BUSINESS OPERATES, THEY DO HAVE

DOWNTIME. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> THE SIMPLE STANDPOINT SAYING IT IS TOUGHER OR THE THEM IN IN

THE WINTER. >>MAYOR BEAN: BEFORE WE GO TO COMMISSIONER ROSS, ONE QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER AYSCUE SO I

UNDERSTAND YOUR PROPOSAL. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: WE COME BACK WITH THE RATE FEE SCHEDULE. THE FOLLOWING YEAR, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. IT IS GOING UP.

>>MAYOR BEAN: LETTING THEM KNOW AND GIVE THEM A HEADS UP.

>>CLERK: I WAS GOING TO ASK WHAT THE DATE WAS, THE CALENDAR YEAR

OR THE FISCAL YEAR OF THE RATES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: BRING

BACK THE FEE SCHEDULE NEXT YEAR. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS BEST. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU ARE ASKING THE CITY TAXPAYERS TO SUBSIDIZE THE FISHERMEN. AND FUEL HAS GONE DOWN -- AND REDESIGN AND WITHOUT FUEL FOR TWO MONTHS.

THE MARINA WILL BE SHY -- AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, $700,000 THIS YEAR THAT WE WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH.

WE ARE ALREADY SUBSIDIZING COMMERCIAL RATES AT THE MARINA.

WE ARE SUBSIDIZING THE BUSINESS. SO YOU ARE ASKING THE CITY TAXPAYERS TO -- TO SUBSIDIZE FURTHER COMMERCIAL USERS OF THE MARINA. I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THAT.

I HAVE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THAT THE CITY -- THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. WE SHOULD RUN IT LIKE A BUSINESS. IT NEEDS TO SUPPORT ITSELF.

WE SAID ALL THOSE THINGS. A BUSINESS WOULD NOT BE DOING THIS. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND THE CITY MARINA, WE TAKE THAT OUT OF THE FEE SCHEDULE AND MAKE THAT THE PURVIEW OF THE MANAGER -- THEY ARE RUNNING IT AS BUSINESS. YOU ASK THEM TO RUN IT AS A BUSINESS, GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO SET THEIR RATES.

IF THEY WANT THE RATE TO GO UP BECAUSE WHATEVER IS GOING ON AND THEY CAN MAKE MORE MONEY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

IF THEY WANT TO GIVE A RATE DECREASE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND RUN IT LIKE A BUSINESS.

THAT GOES WORTH FOR THE CITY GOLF COURSE AND CITY MARINA.

WE ARE NOT DOING THAT. I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN THE RATE OF MARINAS, AND PERHAPS THE REST OF YOU ARE, BUT THAT IS THEIR BUSINESS. THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR BUSINESS IS. WE ARE ASKING THEM TO RUN A BUSINESS. AND THEN WE ARE INTERFERING WITH THAT BUSINESS. SO I JUST HAVE A REAL PROBLEM

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TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE DOING THAT AND I AM NOT FOLLOWING WAIT ANOTHER YEAR. WE ALWAYS WANT TO WAIT A YEAR.

WAIT A YEAR. WE HAVE OUR BILLS TO PAY AND THEY ARE ALWAYS -- AS I POINTED OUT CLOSE TODAY 700,000 SHORT.

YEAR. SO I AM OPPOSED TO THAT.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER TAKING THE MARE ROBE THAT FEE. SETTING THE MARINA GUYS AND GOLF COURSE GUYS OUT OF OUR SCHEDULE AND GIVE THAT TO THE PURSUE OF THE PEOPLE WE ASKED TO RUN OR TRUSTED.

THEY ARE GOING TO A BIG JOB. DAVID MAY IS RUNNING AN EXCELLENT JOB RUNNING THE COURSE.

AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET THEIR RATES.

THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, GO AHEAD.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

I KNOW I HEAR TIME AND TIME AGAIN FROM OUR CITIZENS THAT THEY WANT A WORKING MARINA. RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE LEFT OF OUR WORKING MARINA IS OUR COMMERCIAL BOATS.

THAT IS WHAT IS THERE. SO I AM SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS TO SAY, LOOK, WE KNOW THESE RATES ARE GOING UP AND THEY ARE GOING TO GO UP AND WE PLAN FOR THEM TO GO UP.

THEY MAY GO UP MORE THAN THE $2.50 THAN IT IS NOW, BUT GIVING THEM THE PAUSE TO UNDERSTAND. WE CAN CONTINUE TO GO UP.

IF YOU WANT TO SAY "SUBSIDIZE." WE CAN USE THE WORD AND TAKE THE "SUBSIDIZE" WORD OUT OF THERE, RUN UP THE COST AND RUN ALL OF THEM OUT OF THERE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IF WE KEEP DOING THAT. RUNNING THE BUSINESSES OUT OF TERE. THEY WILL RUN IT OUT OF THE YACHT BASIN OR TIGER. AND ASK FOR A SIMPLE AGREEMENT THIS YEAR. IF THE COMMISSION DOESN'T AGREE THAT, I CAN PERFECTLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

HOLD ON ONE YEAR AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

THAT'S IT. WHAT I AM ASKING FOR.

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK THAT IS A FINE ON THING. IF I HEAR SUPPORT FROM ANOTHER COMMISSIONER, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

I AM ALSO AMENABLE TO DO A DELAY.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN AUGUST. OR GIVE THEM FIVE MONTHS AND GO TO THE $27.50 AS RECOMMENDED, THAT WILL BE -- GET THEM THROUGH THE SLOW SEASON A LITTLE BIT. LET THEM KNOW IT IS COMING.

NOTICE IS ALWAYS BETTER WHEN IT COMES IT THIS KIND OF THING.

IF I HEAR A SUPPORT FROM ANOTHER COMMISSIONER I CAN DO THAT.

VICE-MAYOR. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I CAN SUPPORT THAT AND THE CALENDAR YEAR WILL BE BETTER AND KIND OF WHERE I WAS HEADED THAT DIRECTION TALKING AND ASKING THE QUES QUESTIONS; HOWEVER, I KNOW GAS BEING DOWN IS NOT ANYONE'S FAULT OTHER THAN OUR SYSTEM. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

THAT DOESN'T EFFECT THE BUSINESS PEOPLE.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE FACT THAT WE MISSED $700,000 WORTH OF SALES AND HAS BEEN DOWN FOR A LONG TIME.

>> SILL WEIGH IN ON THAT. NOT OUR MARINA PEOPLE'S FAULT.

THEY ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. I AM NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IS THE DEBT THAT IS CARRIED FORWARD, IT IS NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE AND FORM.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: TO VERBALIZE OUR GOLF COURSE AND ARENA HAVE BEEN ANCHORS AT ONE POINT AND WITHER TRYING TO RECRUIT ALL THESE PROBLEMS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH WITH THEM IN AND GET THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE. AND WE ARE WELL UNDER WAY WITH BOTH OF THEM AND I THINK THEY ARE BOTH GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR.

I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SUGGESTION FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR. A HAPPY MEDIAN.

TAKE SOME ADVICE FROM OUR PEOPLE.

AND WE ARE GOING TO HOPEFULLY GIVE PROPER NOTICE TO THESE -- TO THESE COMMERCIAL SMALL BUSINESSES THAT WE ALL APPRECIATE. COMMISSIONER ANTUN, WHAT DO YOU

THINK? >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: I THINK COMMISSION YOU ARE AYSCUE AND COMMISSIONER ROSS HAVE GOOD POINTS. IN MYSELF AS A SMALL BUSINESS HAVE OUR KNEES CUTTING OFF, IT IS NOT GOOD TO BE A MANAGER.

AND NOT RUNNING OUT OF BUSINESSES.

I WOULD BE FOLLOWING SUGGEST IF WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR THE PAUSE, WHEN WE GO BACK TO IT, WE LEAVE THESE FEES IN THE PURSUE OF THE PEOPLE MANAGING THE VENUES.

THEREFORE, THE MARINA WILL CHOOSE WHAT THAT FEE WILL SET TO AND SIMILARLY FOR THE GOLF COURSE.

GIVE THE MANAGERS THE POWER TO HAVE THOSE BUSINESSES THE WAY

THEY SHOULD. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONERS? I WILL LET COMMISSIONER ROSS TALK FIRST.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WAS GOING TO ASK, IS THERE SUPPORT WHAT I

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RUB IT LIKE A BUSINESS. IN A BUSINESS, YOU GIVE THE MANAGER TO RISE AND FALL WHAT THEY CAN DO AND PART OF THAT IS

INVESTIGATE THE QUESTION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS THAT LEGAL? ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT?

>> YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONERS, SINCE WE ARE HAVING THIS DEBATE NOW, I WOULD BRING UP A POINT HERE. AND THAT POINT IS WHAT IS THE POINT OF OUR MARINA AND WHAT IS THE POINT OF OUR GOLF COURSE.

THAT IS A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.

WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT. WHY IS THE CITY IN THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING THE MARINA. WAS IT JK ROWELLING'S BOAT HERE.

I HAVE SEEN VERY NICE YACHTS PARKED PARKED HERE AT THE MARINA. COMMISSIONERS, I WILL POINT TO YOU THAT THE POINT OF THE MARINA IS NOT TO HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH MILLIONAIRES' YACHTS PULL UP. NOT THE POINT OF THE MARINA.

IF WE LET IT TO SIMPLY GO TO MARKET RATE, I THINK WE WILL SLOWLY SEE MORE AND MORE OF THAT.

NOT THE POINT OF THE MUNICIPAL MARINA.

THE POINT IS -- NOT OUR GOAL TO BE PROFITING MONEY.

OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE A HOMETOWN ATMOSPHERE AND THE SAME FOR THE GOLF COURSE, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO HIRE A RITZ-CARLTON GOLF COURSE MANAGER. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO RUN THE RITZ-CARLTON GOLF COURSE BUT THE CITY GOLF COURSE.

WE WANT IT TO BE NICE BUT OUR GOAL IS NOT TO CHARGE AN ARM AND A LEG. OUR LOCAL TEENS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEY PLAY THERE. THAT IS WHERE THEY PLAY.

I SUBMIT TO YOU IF WE LET IT JUST GO TO MARKET RATE, I FORESEE THAT HAPPENING. I THINK THE WHOLE POINT IT IS WE KEEP THOSE RATES -- IT IS NOT ARTIFICIAL.

IT IS FAR FROM IT. IT IS PURPOSEFUL.

WE KEEP THEM PURPOSELY AT THE PLACE WHERE OUR COMMUNITY GETS TO USE IT AND. AND I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP IT WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COMMISSION WHAT THOSE RATES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS ANOTHER OPINION.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

ZERO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT THEN YOU NEED TO COMMIT TO SUBSIDIZING THOSE FACILITIES. THEY CAN'T MAKE IT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO WE PUT NO MONEY IN SUBSIDIZING THING.

THEY CALL IT WHAT IT IS. WE ARE -- YOU ARE ASKING THE TAXPAYERS TO SUPPORT THAT. AND IF THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THAT'S FINE. BUT DON'T SAYS IT AN ENTERPRISE FUND. IT HAS TO BE A BUSINESS AND ALL THIS STUFF. COME BACK AND SAY -- OH, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A SUBSIDY. WE ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING THE GOLF COURSE THIS YEAR AND TRYING NOT TO SUBSIDIZE THE MARINA.

A BIG PUSH AND WENT BACK TO THE ROLL BACK RATE.

PART OF THAT GOING BACK TO THE ROLL BACK RATE NOT HAVE EXTRA MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE THESE THINGS. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THAT IS FINE. I ACTUALLY FOR YEARS SAID IT SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

THAT MY POINT. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I THINK WHEN SAUL SAID AND DONE,.I HAVE NO PROBLEMS PULLING THAT SUGGESTION AND JUST ALLOWING IT.

I MEAN I HONESTLY DON'T. WE MADE THE POINT THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE, I GUESS, IN GOING THROUGH THE MARINA THING.

IN GOING THROUGH THE CHANGES. THE POINT THAT I THINK WAS MADE WELL ENOUGH TO STATE THAT WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH THESE BUSINESSES. I AM SIMPLY JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT FOR THEM WHEN IT COMES TO A SUDDEN RATE INCREASE.

I KNOW THEY CAN SEE IT, BUT THEY HAVE SLOW TIMES NOW.

AND THAT IS ALL I WAS LOOKING OUT FOR.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO MAKE OR BREAK ANY OF THEM.

JUST TRYING TO GIVE THEM ALL PAUSE FOR FIVE MONTHS AND A, HEY, LET'S GO BACK TO IT. BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM FALLING IN SUGGESTION. IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ONE REQUEST TO SPEAK ON THIS FROM MISS MARY PHILLIPS.

PLEASE COME DOWN ON THIS. MISS PHILLIPS.

LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. MIRIAM FBI PHILLIPS.

I SIT ON THE MARINA ADVISORY BOARD.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE WORKING DOWN THERE AT THE MARINA. SOMEBODY ELSE -- I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE SAID THAT TONIGHT, THAT IS A WORKING WATERFRONT AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

THE LAST MARINE ADVISORY BOARD MEETING I MADE A STATEMENT THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM THAT SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO DESTROY US

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WE HAVE CITY RESIDENTS THAT GET ON THOSE BATES THAT FISH.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE. I CAN GIVE A RIP LESS ABOUT THOSE YACHTS THAT INTEREST COMING IN HERE.

I REALLY COULD CARE LESS. WE NEED TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE. THE TOURIST PEOPLE.

PEOPLE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY. WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE SO THEY CAN KEEP THEIR BUSINESSES AND I CAN ASSURE IF THOSE RATES INCREASE, THEY ARE OF PULL THEIR BOATS AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WILL SAY OF THE SHRIMP BOATS.

WE NEED FOR THOSE BOATS BACK IN HERE.

THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DOCK HERE.

WE NEED WOODEN DOCKS BUILT. I KNOW SOMEONE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT IN THE FAR END. DEEP THAT IN MIND.

WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT GOLF COURSE.

BECAUSE THOSE TWO THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS CITY.

THEY ARE GROUNDED IN THIS CITY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS

PHILLIPS, VICE-MAYOR STURGES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, DARREN. I LIKE YOUR SUGGESTION.

IF WE WANT TO TALK AND VOTE ON MOVING IT TO THE CALENDAR YEAR.

GIVING THEM A PAUSE BUTTON. I BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN'T BACK OFF OF THAT. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION.

I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE FOR A PAUSE BUTTON.

>>MAYOR BEAN: WE DON'T NEED TO VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS NOW. THREE THAT ALL AGREE WE ARE NOT GOING TO RAISE THESE RATES UNTIL THE CALENDAR YEAR.

WE WILL HOLD IT BACK AND GIVE THEM A FEW MORE MONTHS OF RELIEF UNTIL THAT -- BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION, I KNOW THERE ARE NEEDS FOR THE MARINA AS WELL.

CERTAINLY AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. BACK TO COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE UNHAPPY WITH THE, QUOTE, YACHTS.

TRANSIENT RATES MAKE UP WHAT PERCENT OF OUR INCOME?

>> THEY MAKE UP 57%. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: 75%.

SO THOSE YACHTS THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE UNHAPPY WITH ARE CARRYING THE FREIGHT. SO THE CITY TAXPAYERS AREN'T PAYING FOR IT. SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE VERY

NICE TO THOSE YACHT PEOPLE. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS. I DON'T THINK OUR PROBLEM IS IT IS 75% YACHTS. OUR PROBLEM IS WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE 100% YACHTS. OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP THE WORKING PEOPLE HERE. COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHERE WITH THE YACHTS.

THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK AT. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR.

AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION. WE HAVE A COPY OF AN AMENDMENT.

THE FIRST AMENDMENT. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THE NEXT ONE UNDER THE PARKS AND REC, IT COMES UNDER STREET CLOSURES.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP WHILE WE WERE HERE. WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER ABOUT STREET CLOSURES AND HOW IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY EASY TO GO DOWN FOR A FEE AND SAY I WANT TO CLOSE NORTH 3RD A LITTLE BIT.

ARE WE GOING TO BRING BACK THAT DISCUSSION WHERE WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN FESTIVALS, SHRIMP FESTIVALS, SOUNDS AND DICKENS. I ONLY BROUGHT THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION IF WE WANT TO REVISIT THAT.

AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE.

THAT IS ARE JUST PART OF IT. BROUGHT F BROUGHT BACK IN MY ATTENTION, YOU CAN GO PAY A FEE AND SHUT DOWN A STREET.

THAT IS JUST THE DISCUSSION I WANTED TO HAVE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT.

AN EARLIER ISSUE, A TO-PROFIT INCIDENTS TEE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION. A REAL NOMINAL FEE, $300.

>> TO CLOSE CENTER STREET $1,000.

ANY OF THE SIDE STREETS $500. >> LESS THAN BE FOUR FIGURES, YOU CAN CLOSE A STREET. A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY WAS ATTEMPTED TO CLOSE A STREET IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

OUR POINT -- QUESTION DIDN'T ALLOW THAT ONE TO GO THROUGH.

I WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC ONE MORE TIME THAT THERE ARE CITY PARTNERS, SOUND ON CENTER AND WE ARE TALKING OF THIS PARTICULAR FEE INCREASE. NOT DICKENS STREET FESTIVAL OR SOUNDS ON CENTER. NOSE FESTIVALS WE WAIVE ALL FEES. THIRD-PARTY BUSINESS, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO CLOSE DOWN CENTER STREET.

THE PRICE IS $1,000. THAT SEEMS PRETTY LOW.

>> GETTING TO A POINT DO WE WANT TO CLOSE STREETS FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN FESTIVALS ANYWAY? I THINK I WAS LOOKING AT IT FROM

THAT STANDPOINT. >>MAYOR BEAN: I CAN SEE THAT.

IF -- I COULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING AT ALL.

IF WE WERE -- IF THEY WERE GOING TO OFFER US $50,000 OR

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SOMETHING, I WOULD SAY MAYBE. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I CAN SEE

THAT POINT. >>MAYOR BEAN: WHAT DO YOU HAVE

VICE-MAYOR. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: MAYOR, I WANT TO DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO CHARLIE.

CHARLIE? SO WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND CLOSING CITY STREETS SOMETIMES FOR CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVE TO PAY AND CLOSE PART OF THE STREET FOR PART OF THE TIME

BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION. >>CHARLES GEORGE: IN IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THEY WOULD NEED A PERMIT.

SPECIAL EVENTS. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: SPECIFICALLY TALKING OF SPECIAL EVENTS.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT, SPECIFICALLY SPECIAL EVENTS.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: CORRECT. >>MAYOR BEAN: WE ARE ENVISIONING A FOR-PROFIT ARTS FESTIVAL TRYING TO CLOSE THE ROAD.

I WOULD AGREE, I DON'T THINK THOSE WILL BE HAPPENING WITHOUT COMMISSION APPROVAL. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE CLOSING STREETS. SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT FEE, BECAUSE IT IS GOING AWAY.

EXCEL EXCELLENT.

>> THE NEXT UNDER PLANNING AND CONSERVATION.

THIS ONE KIND OF CAME OFF AND CAUGHT ME A LITTLE TO ODD.

THE RON SAP EDEN CREEK GREENWAY. KELLY TO COME UP, OPEN SPACE.

PRIVATE USE FOR RESIDENTS. CAN SOMEBODY JUST COME RAENTD

THE GREENWAY OUT FOR THE DAY? >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. THEY CAN COME RENT THE GREENWAY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE CLOSED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SO YOU CAN HAVE THE USE OF THE GREENWAY FOR YOUR EVENT OR A PARTICULAR ACTIVITY GOING THROUGHOUT GREENWAY, BUT THAT DOES NOT CLOSE IT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

WE ARE OBLIGATED THROUGH STATE GRANTS AND OUR USE OF THE GREENWAY TO MAKE SURE IT REMAINS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, EVEN IF

THERE ARE RENTALS OCCURRING. >> I JUST WANTED THAT AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. IF YOU WERE READING IT, IT IS LIKE COME CLOSE THE GREENWAY DOWN FOR A DAY.

I JUST WANTED THAT FOR A POINT OF REFERENCE.

IT LOOKS ADD IN THE FEE SCHEDULE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY WAY TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC.

I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE GREENWAY.

SOMETHING YOU CAN ADD IN PARENTHESES.

>> TO THE FEE SCHEDULE ITSELF? >>MAYOR: VICE-MAYOR.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: NOTHING ON THIS POINT.

I AM NOT SURE IN DARREN. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: HAS ONE

MORE. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: THIS IS FOR ANDRE AND OUR UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.

HAS TO DO WITH A SECOND METER. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHY SOMEONE WOULD NEED A SECOND METER. AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT COST OF $750, I THINK THAT IS, IS THAT APPROPRIATE?

>> YES, ANDRE DESLER, UTILITIES DIRECTOR.

I BELIEVE THE FEE -- THE INITIAL METER IS -- WHAT IS THE FEE FOR

THE FIRST METER,? >> HOLD ON.

LET ME GET THE UTILITIES. I THINK IT'S -- INITIAL IS $250.

EXISTING BOX NEXT TO IS $750. >> THE CONNECTION FEE, $1500, THE TAP, THE METER BOX AND THE FULL INSTALLATION.

AND $250 FOR THE ACTUAL METER ITSELF.

THE SECOND METER KIND OF BUNDLED INTO ONE, THE METER BOX, THE METER ITSELF. IN THIS SITUATION, SOMETIMES IN YOU HAVE A -- IF YOU HAVE A RENTAL MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT YOU WANT A METER SEPARATELY.

IT IS ONE ACCOUNT, BUT YOU ARE ABLE TO BREAK OUT THE USAGE FOR TWO DIFFERENT FACILITIES. I -- THE FEE COVERS OUR EXPENSES AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE PROPOSING ANY INCREASE.

WE VERY RARELY SEE THESE. I WAS JUST QUESTIONING IF THAT WAS APPROPRIATE AND WHAT EXACTLY IT IS USED FOR.

>> IT'S -- IT IS CONSISTENT WITH -- WITH THE REST OF THE FEE STRUCTURE. JUST KIND OF COMBINED.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU,

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, VICE-MAYOR. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: I WANT TO GO OVER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S GUYS QUICKLY.

THEY LONG DIFFERENT -- SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW PREVIOUSLY. IT LOOKS REDUCED.

IF ANYTHING, I WANT TO MAKE A POINT THAT IT DOES LOOK REDUCED.

NUMBER ONE, IT USED TO BE $8. AND NOW YOU ARE PROPOSING $7.50

FOR EVERY $1,000. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: USED TO THE STRUCTURE BASED ON THE COST -- A STRUCTURE WHETHER IT IS 55, 660, 75 TO 100, THE PERMIT FEE.

IS THAT PART DIFFERENT? >> THAT PART IS NOT DIFFERENT

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THAT -- >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: REDUCE

THE RATE SLIGHTLY. >>CHARLES GEORGE: LAST YEAR, THE RATE FROM PERMIT GUYS WAS LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS TO RUN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. $20,000.

WITH THAT LOSS, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO REDUCE THOSE GUYS DOWN AND CONSOLIDATE AND MAKE IT MORE SIMPLER FOR AN APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND AND CALCULATE AHEAD OF TIME WHAT HE THINKS HIS FEES ARE GOING TO BE. MAKES IT A LITTLE CLEARER AND TAKES OUT AMBIGUITY. POINTS WHERE WE HAVE A PERMIT FEE AND A PLANNED REVIEW FEE. WE ROLLED THOSE INTO ONE.

STURGES>>COMMISSIOSTU>>COMMISSI THAT'S WHY WE ARE LOOK THAT THE.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: IF WE HAVE TO RE-REVIEW THE PLANS.

WE ARE TRYING TO KNOCK THIS DOWN TO GET CLOSER TO WHAT EVERYBODY EXPECTS AND ALL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH ESTIMATING THESE GUYS, WE CAN GET A LARGE HOTEL IN HERE THAT COULD CHANGE ALL THIS OR HAVE A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN PERMITS THAT WE ARE NOT NOW COVERING OUR COST.

WE HAVE TO NOW BALANCE THAT. BUT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT WE HAVE

DONE IS REDUCE THE GUYS. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: I APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT HITS MY FANCY. I THINK YOU BASICALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I WAS SEEING THAT THERE WAS LESS ITEMS IN HERE.

SO THAT HAS TO BE A REDUCTION. >>CHARLES GEORGE: CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANYTHING ELSE, VICE-MAYOR.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: NO, IT THAT IS WHAT I HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT. I LOOKED OVER EVERYTHING ALREADY IN THE FEE STRUCTURE AND THINGS WENT UP SLIGHTLY AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANYTHING THAT JUMPS UP AND SAYS THERE IS A RED ALERT IN CHANGE. MARY THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR.

I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT THE VICE-MAYOR SAID.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT EASIER TO USE. THANK YOU FOR THE WHOLE TEAM.

APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: NOTHING. I APOLOGIZE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER ROSS? COMMISSIONER ROSS: WANTED TO CLARIFY. ANY ENTHUSIASM FOR TAKING THE GUYS OUT FOR THE MARINA AND THE GOLF COURSE? OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO?

>> I WILL SUPPORT IT. >>MAYOR BEAN: I KNOW YOU HAVE TWO. I PERSONALLY SAY NO.

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE AND VICE-MAYOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: NO. MAYOR, I THINK YOU SAID IT PERFE PERFECTLY.

IT -- WITH THE MARINA WHEN IT COMES -- THE GOLF COURSE AND THE MARINA ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. OPINION THEY ARE.

THIS IS NO NO -- THE MARINA JUST HAD WHAT I CONSIDERED BAD LUCK THIS YEAR. JUST BAD LUCK.

NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT OF WHAT HAPPENED.

YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY NOBODY'S FAULT.

AND THOSE ARE -- THEY ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

THOSE ARE -- THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE MARINA, THE GOLF COURSE COULD HAVE AN ISSUE THAT COULD SHUT IT DOWN FOR A MONTH. HAND THIS WOULD BE A DISASTER.

I MEAN, THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT.

THAT A CITY THAT OWN A GOLF COURSE AND OWNS A MARINA.

I DON'T BLAME ANY OF THEM FOR -- FOR THE SITUATION THAT IT IS IN.

WHEN I LOOK AT THE MARINA. AND I LOOK AT THE FACT THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IT WILL BE CLEANER AND WATER WILL RUN THROUGH THERE AND LESS DREDGING. I LOOK AT THE INSURANCE ISSUE AND LOOK AT THEM GETTING THAT BACK.

THE MARINA WILL START DOING EXTREMELY WELL AND I THINK THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALLOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN.

I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING I HATE THAT WE GOT INTO A DISCUSSION OF 30,000 WE ARE LOOKING AT IT.

WENT DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE AND I THINK WE NEED IT.

BUT I THINK BOTH ENTITIES ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THAT WE HAD BAD LUCK.

SO I THINK WE KEEP ON DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE

DOING. >> THANK YOU, COMMIS

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VICE-MAYOR. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: MY ANSWER IS THE SAME THING. RHYME NO.

AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY -- OR I WILL SAY IT AS SIMPLE, THE POWER TO ADJUST OR CALL WHAT THE RATES ARE.

WE TAKE THEIR GOODANCE WHETHER IT IS THE MARINA OR THE GOLF.

WE TAKE OUR GUIDANCE FROM THEM AND WHATEVER THEY GUIDE US WE CAN ASCERTAIN WHATEVER WE LIKE TO.

THAT IS MY OPINION. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER ROSS,

YOUR LIGHT IS ON. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I THINK I

AM DONE. >>MAYOR BEAN: WE WILL SEE THEM ON THE SEPTEMBER 20TH AGENDA. WITH THAT, WE DO HAVE ONE

REQUEST TO SPEAK. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SHOULD WE

VOTE ON IT. >>MAYOR BEAN: BEFORE THAT, JULIE FERARRA. COME ON DOWN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JULIE FERARRA, 501 DATE STREET.

I LIKE CLARITY AND EVERYBODY LOVES SIMPLICITY.

BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY DEVELOPMENT CAN'T PAY FOR ITSELF. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY CITIZENS HAVE TO PICK UP THE NICKEL TO RUN CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT DEAL WITH DEVELOPMENT. IF THE FEES THAT WE HAVE LAST YEAR WEREN'T COVERING THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

WHY ARE WE LISTENING TO THEM. IT DOESN'T SEEM IN OUR BEST

INTEREST AS CITIZENS. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MISS FERARRA. MR. GEORGE TO COME AND ADDRESS.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: SOME OF THE UNIQUENESS OF LAST YEAR, WE WENT OUT FOR NEW SOFTWARE. THE COST MORE THAN WE HAD PREVIOUS YEARS AND IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE OPERATIONAL ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING DAP DEPARTMENT THAT HELPED THAT COST.

THAT COST WAS DEFICIT OF $20,000.

BUT WE ARE STILL DEPENDING ON APPLICANTS SUBMITTING PERMITS AND DOING DEVELOPMENT. SO IT IS KIND OF A IRS ING REWAD

TYPE THINGS. >>MAYOR BEAN: VICE-MAYOR.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: TO PUT BACK ON WHAT CHARLIE IS SAYING.

THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T COME FROM TAXPAYERS AND AN EXCESS OF FUNDS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

HOW MUCH IS THE EXCESS. >> ROUGHLY $1 MILLION.

>> OVER 1 MILLION OF EXCESS OF GUYS AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL

HURT US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >>CHARLES GEORGE: JUST A DEMONSTRATION THAT WE ARE DEPENDING.

TRY NOT TO GET TOO FAR DOWN IN THE MILLION BECAUSE IF THE ECONOMY GOES DOWNHILL. WE COVER THE COST OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT IN

THE MILLION, AND. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: CHARLIE, DON'T WE HAVE TO PAY MILLION DOLLARS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF

TIME. >>CHARLES GEORGE: CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: IMPACT AND BUILDING GUYS AND THAT MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT ON SOME BELONG TO SPEND THE TAXPAYER MONIES.

ALL THE BUILDING HOLDERS. >>CHARLES GEORGE: THE CODE REQUIRES US TO HOLD ENOUGH BACK TO COVER AN ANNUAL COST OF THE

BUILDING DEPARTMENT. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: CORRECT.

BUT WE ARE RUNNING GREAT. EVERYTHING IS RUNNING GREAT?

>>MAYOR: THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE AND VICE-MAYOR STURGES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE ANNUAL

COST OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. >>CHARLES GEORGE: UNDER $1

MILLION. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: HOLDING IN RESERVE WHAT WEAR STATUTORILY REQUIRED TO DO.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: EXACTLY. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: PERFECT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: READY TO VOTE. CITY CLERK, CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES WITH RESERVATIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0 WITH SLIGHT RESERVATIONS.

[7.2 CAPACITY FEES - WATER & WASTEWATER]

CAPACITY GUYS, WATER AND WASTEWATER.

MISS BAACH PRESENT THIS ORDINANCE.

>> ORDINANCE 2023-32 AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWO ADMINISTRATION ARTICLE VII, FINANCE DIVISION 4 BY REPLACING THE TERM "IMPACT FEE" WITH "CAPACITY FEE" IN THE TITLE AND THROUGHOUT THIS ARTICLE BY REPLACING LEGALESE TERM SUCH AS "SHALL" BY PLAIN ENGLISH "MUST" OR "MAY" FOR REQUIREMENTS CONTAINED IN CERTAIN SECTION OF THE ARTICLE OF DEFINITION OF

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REPEALING SECTION 2-481 BECAUSE IT IS OBSOLETE AND RELATED TO REPAYMENTS OF STATE OF FLORIDA GRANTS AND MATCHES FOR GRANTS THAT ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT. AMENDING SECTION 2-482 BY ESTABLISHING A SEWER SYSTEM CAPACITY FEE BASE ON RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA AND BASE AND EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNITS BY CREATING SECTION 2-483 PROVIDE FOR A SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY TRUST FUND, DEPOSIT OF GUYS, USE OF FUNDS, AND BY AMENDING SECTION 7, WATER CAPACITY FEE AND TRUST FUND BY AMENDING SECTION 2-540 PROVIDING FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

AMENDING SECTION 2-547 BY CLARIFYING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISSBACH.

DO I HEAR A MOTION ON THIS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: MOVE TO

APPROVE. >>MAYOR BEAN: I HEAR A MOTION AND NO SECOND. MISSBACH.

IF I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. A YES ON THIS APPROVES THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE WHICH INCLUDES WHAT WOULD BE A $10,000 RATE, IS

THAT CORRECT, RIGHT? >>TAMMI BACH: NO.

THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE TO VOTE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT THAT DID THE STUDY IS TO ADOPT OPTION B WHICH IS THE $10,000 RATE.

OPTION A, IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED.

AND IF YOU LEAVE IT THE SAME, THEN WHAT I WOULD AT LEAST ASK FOR YOU TO DO TO ASK FOR DIRECTION.

BUT WHAT WE DO NEED TO DO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE RATE TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING THE ST STUDY.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MISS BACH. CAN THIS PASSED WITH A DIFFERENT

RATE? >>TAMMI BACH: WHAT I SPOKE OF REGULATION, WITH THIS STUDY. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT DATA UPDATED REGARDLESS OF CHANGING THE RATES.

IF YOU ACCEPT THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS WRITTEN, THEN YOU ARE ACCEPTING THE HE OPTION B, THE $10,000 RATE.

OTHERWISE STATE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE OPTION A, ANYTHING OTHER THAN OPTION A OR B PRESENT BY THE CONSULTANT ARE NOT SUPPORTED FROM THE DATA, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE DUAL RATIONALE NEXUS TEST SO YOU CAN DO AS AN ALTERNATIVE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE IS TO PHASE IN, IF YOU WILL, THE CAPACITY GUYS.

NOW I WANTED TO MAKE A DISDESCRIPTION BETWEEN -- BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT PAY THESE GUYS AND UNDERSTAND THEM AND ALSO REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE HAD A LAWSUIT FOR THE WATER IMPACT FEES THAT WE CHARGED THE FLORIDA LAW HAS CHANGED SINCE 2019, WATER AND WASTEWATER.

WATER AND SEWER IMPACT GUYS ARE NO LONGER CONSIDERED IMPACT GUYS SUBJECT TO THE STATUTE. THEY ARE COMPLETELY EXEMPT FROM THE STATUTE. ANYTHING IN THERE INCLUDING SPECIAL REPORTS ON YOUR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT, A PHASE IN THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC AND LIMITED.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO HERE, BUT THE STATUTE IS VERY SPECIFIC AND IT YOU NOT APPLY TO THE UTILITY CAPACITY GUYS PARKS AND REC IMPACT GUYS, FIRE AND POLICE BUT NOT THESE. IF YOU WANT TO DO THE "PHASE IN" AND I AM USING THAT TERM LOOSELY, NOT TO COMPLY WITH THE STATUTE, BUT TO IMPLEMENT THESE GUYS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU CAN DO THAT. IF YOU WANTED TO GET -- BUT YOU CAN ONLY JUSTIFY IF YOU WERE GOING TO RAISE IS OPTION B.

IF YOU WANT TO RAISE AND INCREMENTALLY RAISE UP TO THE AMOUNT SUGGESTED IN OPTION B BY THE CONSULTANT, YOU CAN DO THAT.

YOU CAN DO THAT TO FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU LIKE TO

>> WHAT I AM ASKING IS IF THIS MOTION FAILS, IF THIS ORDINANCE DOES NOT PASS, THE RATES STAY THE SAME AND WE WILL ASK DIRECTION TO BRING BACK A RESOLUTION.

UNDERSTOOD. WITH THAT NO SECOND ON THAT MO MOTION.

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I WILL USE MAYORAL PRIVILEGE TO LET A PUBLIC SPEAKER ANYWAY.

WE HAVE A REQUEST TO SPEAK PUBLICLY FROM MATTHEW MCGIBBONS. COME ON DOWN AND STATE YOUR STREET ADDRESS AND YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, SIR. MATT MCGIBBONS TIMBER CREEK BOULEVARD ANNUALLY. I APPRECIATE YOUR GUYS' TIMES THIS EVENING. THE OPINION OF THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDERS ASSOCIATION THAT THAT CAPACITY AND IMPACT FEES ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT IS -- THAT IS NOT IN QUESTION.

BUT WHEN THERE IS AN INCREASE WARRANTED, IT SHOULD BE JUSTIFIED. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH CAPITAL FACILITIES PLAN, IT HAS A RATIONAL NEXUS FOR FUTURE GROWTH. ACCORDING THE REPORT PROVIDED THE FRWA WHICH WAS JUST REVERENCED ON APRIL 20, CAPACITY GUYS ONE-TIME CHARGES ASSESSED TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO REIMBURSE UTILITY SYSTEMS FOR CURRENT AND PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED TO SUPPLY WATER, COLLECT, TREAT AND DISPOSE OF WASTEWATER.

GRAVITY FEES ARE PROPORTIONAL TO GUYS SET ASIDE BY NEW CUSTOMERS OR CONNECTION. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE GUYS RECOMMENDED IN OPTION B ARE PROPORTIONAL AND REASONABLE AND WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER OPPOSING OR NOT VOTING ON THIS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION.

ONE, IF THE GUYS WERE INCREASED AS APPROVED, $72840 INCREASE IN WASTEWATER AND WATER CAPACITY FEES IN FERNANDINA.

NEW HOMEOWNERS FERNANDINA BEACH WILL BE PAYING $10,440 IN CAPACITY GUYS FOR THE UTILITY, IN ADDITION TO THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING IN IMPACT GUYS.

KNEES ADDITIONAL GUYS THAT RAISE THE COST OF THE BUILDING ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONVERSATIONS THAT WE EVEN HAD HERE TONIGHT. THIS -- THIS WOULD FURTHER LIMIT ACCESSIBILITY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING INCLUDING LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE FIGHTERS, NURSES AND CITY EMPLOYEES.

THE CURRENT SYSTEMS PER THE REPORT HAS A WATER TREATMENT PLANNED THAT ONLY THE OPERATING AT 36% FOR WATER TREATMENT AND 51% OF THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT FOR WHAT IS BEING USE THERE.

THAT IS A LONG WAY FOR NEEDING A TOTAL AND IMMEDIATE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE FACILITIES AS OPTION B HAS PROPOSED.

IF THE GUYS INCREASE ARE BASED ON THE REPLACEMENT VALUE WHICH IS OPTION B, THAT MEANS THEY ARE INCREASING CAPACITY GUYS FATZ ENTIRE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS IN FERNANDINA BEACH WOULD FAIL TOMORROW AND MUST BE REPLACED AS WHOLE.

THESE SYSTEMS ARE PAID FOR AND HAVE BEEN PAID FOR FOR DECADES BY HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS. AND I GO BACK TO THE FWRA ROVR REPORT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE RISEN TO THE CHALLENGE AND MAINTAIN IN GOOD CONDITION CONTINUE TO OPERATE SYSTEMS FOR SAFE DRINKING WATER AN KIND SEWER SERVICES.

AND THEY WERE JUST HERE TODAY, RIGHT.

SO THE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN MAINTAINED AND MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADE COST MUST BE PAID THROUGH MONTHLY COLLECTION OF

WATER AND SEWER FEES THAT -- >>MAYOR BEAN: TEN SECONDS MORE.

>> SEWER GUYS AND INCLUDE FUNDS FOR REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENT BY ITS CURRENT CLIENTS. IF THESE INCREASES ARE APPROVED, THE REPLACEMENT COST OF THE ENTIRE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM IS ON THE BACKS OF THE NEW HOMEOWNERS MOVING INTO THE AREA. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU. SO WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION OR A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. THE FLOOR IS NOT OPEN.

WE NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

DO I HEAR A MOTION TO SIMPLY OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON

CAPACITY FEE ISSUES? >> I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION. ARE YOU NEEDING A MOTION TO DIS DISCUSS?

>>MAYOR: I NEED A MOTION GIVING HER DIRECTION.

>> I WOULD CERTAINLY BE OKAY WITH THE OPTION A THAT WAS PRESENTED BY -- BY THE -- WHAT WAS IT, THE FR -- I WOULD BE WOK THAT. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ALL RIGHT. >>TAMMI BACH: OPTION A IS A REDUCTION IN THE CURRENT FEE. TWO OPTIONS OF THE FLORIDA WATER ASSOCIATION. OPTION A WAS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE FEE THAT WAS CURRENTLY FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER. DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

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>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SIGNIFICANT?

>>TAMMI BACH: 75% IF A LITTLE LESS THAN 50%.

>>TAMMI BACH: AROUND 50% REDUCTION THAT THAT IS OPTION A.

AND OPTION B IS THE INCREASE. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS COMMISSIONER ANTUN, CAN YOU SECOND SO THE FLOOR IS OPEN.

VICE-MAYOR STURGES. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO TO GET A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I WILL GO AHEAD AND TALK. I THINK WE ALL WISH THIS STUDY CAME BACK FOR $100 OR 200 MORE FOR THE REPLACEMENT -- NOT THE TOTAL REPLACEMENT OF THE SYSTEM. UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. SO WE WERE IN A QUANDARY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY HIT THEM WITH THE WHOLE GUYS FOR WHAT WE HAVE WHICH IS MAINTENANCE DOWNTOWN.

WE ALREADY HEARD WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING THOSE SEWER LINES FROM OUR WASTEWATER DEPTHS DEPARTMENT AT ONE POINT.

THAT WAS JUST LAST MEETING. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN DO THIS STUDY ANY TIME WE WANT, CORRECT? LIKE YOU KEEP SAYING WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS STUDY AT

STATUTORILY, CORRECT IN. >>TAMMI BACH: NO, NO.

WHAT I AM SAYING THAT AT SOME POINT THE IMPACT FEES THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY COLLECTING S SO STALE AND NOT SUPPORTED, THEY ARE NOT LAWFUL ANY LONGER WHAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY COLLECTING BECAUSE NOT A STUDY TO BACK IT UP.

WE DO A STUDY EVERY -- THIS TIME IT HAS BEEN TEN YEARS WE DID THIS STUDY AND LUCKY ENOUGH, $5,000 COST TO THE CITY AND IN THE PAST WE PAID TENSE OF THOUSANDS FOR THE STUDY.

THE FLORIDA WORLD WATER ASSOCIATION STARTED TO DO THIS AND THEY OFFER THIS AND DO IT FOR OTHER CITIES.

THEY HAVE THE STUDY THAT BACKS UP THE FEES THAT THEY RECOMMENDED, A REDUCTION OR AN ALL ON THINKING THAT THIS STUDY IS GOOD FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE CAN CHUCK IT.

IT WASN'T THAT EXPENSIVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

IN THE FUTURE A NEW STUDY WILL HAVE TO BE DONE OR ADOPT THIS STUDY AS RECENT DATA AND BASICALLY TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND IF A FUTURE COMMISSION NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER CHOOSES TO RAISE THE IMPACT FEE TO WHAT THEY RECOMMEND THEN THE STUDY IS GOOD AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCEPTED. IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT IT, IT BECOMES STALE AS WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS.

>>MAYOR BEAN: CAN WE ADOPT TONIGHT.

OR BY RESOLUTION. >>TAMMI BACH: I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT BY RESOLUTION. STAFF TAKE A PAUSE.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE NORMALLY PLAN FOR.

IF WE GET THE DIRECTION YOU ARE AT LEAST INTERESTED IN THE STUDY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE.

THE CONSULTANT DOESN'T CARE. THEY GET PAID.

THEY WILL NOT GET THEIR FEELINGS HURT.

WE DO HAVE THE DATA NOW, IF YOU DID ACCEPT IT AND PART OF OUR RECENT AND LOCALIZED DATA FOR WHAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED, THEN WE DECIDE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE OR IT HAS GOTTEN PAST, I WOULD ONLY ACCEPT THIS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE NEED A NEW STUDY.

IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING FOR THE RATE FOR THREE YEARS.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO QUICK QUESTION FOR THE UTILITIES DIRECTOR.

THIS COSTS APPROXIMATELY $25 TO PUT IN WELL AND SEPTIC.

>> GENERAL ESTIMATE METEOROLOGIST ROSS TOTAL FEE FOR WATER FOR A HOOK-UP AT THIS OUTRAGEOUS RATE WAS -- WHAT WAS

IT $15,000 TOTAL? >> INCLUDING CONNECTION GUYS, METER GUYS AND IMPACT GUYS AROUND $15,000.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: FOR $15,000, YOU GET SEWER AND WATER WHICH THE DEVELOPER AND THE PEOPLE USE IT WILL PAY FOR, BUT UNDER WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, WE ARE GOING TO SUBSIDIZE NEW DEVELOPMENT BY 15,000. DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? THAT IS AN UNFAIR QUESTION TO YOU.

TOTALLY UNFAIR TO YOU. I WILL JUST POINT OUT IT IS TRUE. SO THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO OUR SYSTEM, DO YOU A VERY NICE JOB TAKING CARE OF IT AND THE MANAGER BEFORE YOU DID A VERY NICE JOB TAKING CARE OF IT.

BUT GETTING TO BE AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE, CORRECT? THE LIFT STATIONS ARE $45 YEARS OLD.

I JUST READ THE REPORT, GENTLEMAN, AND IT IS ALL IN THERE THAT A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HERE IS GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED OVER THE NEXT COMING YEARS, THAT'S

CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

WE ARE REPLACING IT EVERY YEAR. >> AND WHAT WE HAVE IT IF WE

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AND WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO IS TO MAKE THEM -- THE NEW USERS TO PAY FOR THEIR SHARE OF THE -- OF WHAT IS -- ALL THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE PLACED OVER THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS. THAT'S CORRECT?

>> THE WAY I LOOK AT IT NOT AS MUCH -- THE REPLACEMENT VALUE WAS THE BASIS OF THE ANALYSIS OF THE VALUE OF THE SYSTEM.

ESSENTIALLY WHAT THESE IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TOWARD.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: CAPACITY GUYS.

>> SORRY, CAPACITY GUYS, THEY ARE GOING TO THE CAPACITY ALREADY BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. IT WAS REFERENCED THAT THE WATER SYSTEM IS OPERATING AT 36% CAPACITY.

THE SEWER SYSTEM AT 51. THAT IS TRUE.

BUT THEY ARE NOT PAID FOR. THE CITY HE FINANCED THE WATER SYSTEM. WE TOOK OUT BONDS FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

SO THESE GUYS COLLECTED ARE USED FOR DEBT SERVICE.

FOR THAT CAPACITY THAT IS ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM.

THAT IS BUILT IN AND MAKES IT AVAILABLE FOR THE NEW USERS TO CONNECT. COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT WE ARE DOING BY NOT PASSING THIS -- FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE EXPERTS THAT OPINE WHAT WE SHOULD DO AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE PRETENDING THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

A FINE EXAMPLE OF PRETEND AND EXTEND.

WHAT WE ARE DOING IS HAVING THE CURRENT RATE PAYERS PAY FOR NEW

DEVELOPMENT ESSENTIALLY. >> ESSENTIALLY, THE FUNDS HAVE

TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE FOR. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE CURRENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. ONCE AGAIN WILL SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

I WOULDN'T USE THE WORD "SUBSIDIZE." I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING.

IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. IF YOU BUILD A STRUCTURE AND YOU

WANT TO HOOK IT UP, $3300. >> $3280.

>>MAYOR BEAN: $3280. THE NUMBER WE CHARGE RIGHT NOW.

AN ADDITIONAL FEE AND YOU PAY THE RATES AFTER THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING. WHAT WE ARE -- BY NOT PASSING THIS, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THAT THE SAME.

WE ARE STILL -- THESE NEW HOMEOWNERS WILL COME IN -- BEFORE THEY START PAYING RATES, THEY WILL PAY AN OFFICIAL $3,000 SOMETHING HOOK-UP FEE, A CAPACITY FEE.

THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. NEW BUILDERS -- NEW BUILDING BUILDS, NEWCOMERS TO THE CITY WILL STILL PAY THIS INITIAL $3,000 FEE. WHAT WE DON'T WANT AS COMMISSION THE PROPOSED IS TO TRIPLE THAT. THE PROPOSAL IS TO TRIP THAT TO $10,000 AND SOME CHANGE. THAT IS WHAT THE PROPOSED.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING NO TO.

WE ARE SAYING WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT -- IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS TONIGHT -- TALKING IN NEGATIVES.

BY NOT VOTING YES ON THAT. WE ARE SAYING WE WILL STILL CHARGE OUR NEW RESIDENTS WHEN THEY COME TO THE CITY OVER 3,000 TO HOOK UP TO TOWER CITY SYSTEM AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD NUMBER. WITH THAT THE VICE-MAYOR.

YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT OR WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH, MAYOR, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO STAY.

I UNDERSTAND -- AND WE HEARD FROM TAMMI, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE THE LAST MEETING AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. LIKE I STARTED MY CONVERSATION, I REALLY WISH WITH INFLATION AND SOMETHING ELSE THAT WHEN THEY TWEAK THEIR NUMBERS AND LOOKED AT IT, THAT THEY WOULD COME WITH A -- WITH A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE FOR TIME PERIOD.

BECAUSE SEVEN TO TEN YEARS DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE LAST SURVEY

WAS DONE. >> SEVEN YEARS AGO.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: IN SEVEN YEARS, THE RATE WOULD CHANGE SLIGHTLY. BUT THEIR SURVEY SAID IT HAVEN'T. ANDRE BECAUSE THE $3280 WE ARE CHARGE SOMETHING SUPPOSED TO BE MEANT AS A REPLACEMENT COST OR JUST THE -- HOW DID THAT NUMBER COME TO US.

>>THE PREVIOUS ANALYSIS WAS ON THE TERMINOLOGY OF THE TYPE OF ANALYSIS. IT WASN'T APPLES AND APPLES.

NOT THE SAME TYPE OF ANALYSIS. >> WITHER LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT SURVEY SEVEN YEARS LATER THAN THE SURVEY SEVEN YEARS AGO,

CORRECT? >> A DIFFERENT METHODOLOGY AND

DIFFERENT DATA USED. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS SITUATION AND WE GO INCREMENTALLY EVERY TEN YEARS AND GO UP TO $10,000 UNTIL WE GET THERE.

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YOU ANSWERED ALL QUESTIONS. >> TO CLARIFY, THINGS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME OF THE POINTS IS, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE STATUTE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR SUCH A IMPACT FEE AND CAPACITY FEE.

AND THERE IS A THRESHOLD OF PERCENTAGE INCREASE YEAR-O YEAR-OVER-YEAR.

AND WHEN YOU AND I MADE EARLIER. THE SLIDE WAS GOING TO SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL STATUTE WHICH IS SOMEWHAT OBJECTION NOXIOUS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: DO YOU WANT IT.

>>TAMMI BACH: THE STATUTE ITSELF THAT I AM REFERRING TO THE FLORIDA IMPACT FEE ACT. THE ONLY STATUTE THAT COVERS THE IMPACT FEES IN FLORIDA. THE SAME STATUTE THAT FOLKS IN TOWN HAVE REFERENCED TO YOU. THAT STATUTE CHANGED LIMITLY AND 2019, A SEPARATE SUBSECTIONS THAT SAYS WATER AND WASTEWATER CAPACITY FEES ARE NOT -- NOT AFFECTED OR EXEMPT FROM THIS SECTION. THE FLORIDA IMPACT FEE ACT IS NOT APPLY TO UTILITY IMPACT GUYS WHICH WE CALL CAPACITY GUYS.

WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BE CUTE BY USING THE TERM CAPACITY FEE.

THAT IS WHAT IS USED IN THE STATUTE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN IMPACT FEE AND CAPACITY FEE. IT ESSENTIALLY DOES THE SAME THING, BOTH HAVE TO IN MY OPINION IN THE CONSULTANT'S OPINION AND MANY LAWYERS IN THE STATE THAT DO THIS FOR A LIVING.

WE AGREE THAT IT IS THE SAME THING.

THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DUE NATIONAL AND MEET THAT STANDARD IN COURT SO SOMEBODY CHALLENGE THAT UTILITY.

WATER AND WASTEWATER GUYS. THE CITY WILL PROVE THIS MEETS THE DUAL RATIONAL NEXUS. TO APPLY TO NONUTILITY IMPACT GUYS, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION, PARKS AND RECREATION. IT APPLIES TO THOSE.

THE THINGS THAT ARE CITED DO NOT APPLY TO IMPACT GUYS.

YOU CAN THROW THE STATUTE OUT AND GO BACK TO THE CASE LAW WE HAVE BEEN UNDER FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE THIS STATUTE TO THE SO SPECIFIC. AND THAT TEST, THAT IS WHAT THIS STUDY IS FOR TO SAY THAT THE GUYS MEET THE TEST.

AND THE TEST -- THE BORDEN & ASSOCIATES THAT ANDRE REFERENCED, THE PURPOSE OF THAT STUDY WAS THAT THE GUYS MEET THE DUAL NATIONAL NEXUS. THOSE WHO ARE PAYING ARE GETTING THE BENEFIT BASED ON THE GROWTH AND THE EFFECT THEY HAVE ON GROWTH AND WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE FOR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY.

THE ISSUE ABOUT DEBT SERVICE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT ANDRE BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IN THE STATUTE THAT APPLIES TO NONUTILITY IMPACT FEE IS VERY SPECIFIC.

YOU CAN NOT USE IMPACT GUYS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

YOU CAN'T USE IMPACT FEES TO PAY THAT EXISTING DEBT.

SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WILL KNOW ABOUT THE STATUTE WATCHING AND TALKING ABOUT EXISTING DEBT AND THINKING WHAT THE HECK.

WATER AND WASTEWATER. THE LEGISLATURE HAVE EXEMPTED THEM. I WILL TAKE ONE LITTLE JUMP BECAUSE OF MY EXPERIENCE AND SAY WHY DID THE LEGISLATORS EXEMPT THOSE FEE AS SOON AS THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE DRINKING WATER AND FLUSHING THE TOILET IS A HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.

HAVING PARK AND A BRAND-NEW SLIDE AND PLAYGROUND IS NOT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. WE MIGHT IF WE DON'T HAVE CLEAN WATER AND SEWERS WORKING PROPERLY.

SO OUTSIDE OF ANY TYPE OF POLITICAL ISSUES OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THE -- THE LEGISLATURE SAY SAYS WE ARE NOT GOING TO IMPOSE THESE TYPE OF DESCRIPTIONS.

IF YOUR CONSULTANT SAYS YOU CAN RAISE THIS THAT MUCH AND MEET THE DUAL NATIONAL NEXUS TEST IS LAWFUL.

WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO YOU TONIGHT IS LAWFUL.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE WHAT YOU ULTIMATELY PROPOSE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS BACH.

COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: I WANT TO YOU COMMENT IF THE FLORIDA WATER ASSOCIATION DID OR DID NOT CITE

CERTAIN STATUTES. >>TAMMI BACH: YES, THANK YOU.

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THERE WAS IN THAT DRAFT -- THAT WAS NOT FINALIZED UNTIL LAST FRIDAY NIGHT. THAT DRAFT CITES THE STATUTE.

WHEN I READ THROUGH THAT DRAFT IN PREPARATION TO SIGN THAT ORDINANCE. I SAID, WAIT A SECOND, THE STATUTE DOESN'T COMPLY. I CALLED THE CONSULTANT AND I SAID, YOUR STUDY HASSED STATUTE IN THERE.

AND SHE SAID THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN UP FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE 2019.

THEY HAD THAT IN OTHER REPORTS. THEY HAD OTHER ATTORNEYS BRING THIS UP. SHE AGREED WITH ME.

THE STATUTE DOESN'T APPLY. THAT WAS REMOVED.

A SIN TANS IN THERE. THE CURRENT FINALIZED REPORT DOES NOT REFERENCE THE STATUTE. THE DRAFT DID.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: OKAY, THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANYTHING FURTHER? COMMISSIONER AYSC AREUE.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I LOOK AT THE FWRA STUDY AND THEY GAVE US OPTION A AND OPTION B. BOTH FIT WITHIN THE LAW.

AN UPDATE FROM A STUDY WE HAD SEVEN YEARS AGO.

I AM IN FAVOR OF JUST MOVING FORWARD THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF OPTION A, THAT IS JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S -- IT'S BEEN TESTED. THEY HAVE SHOWN THUS WILL WORK.

A WILL WORK. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH US JUST NOT USING AN OLD ONE. AN OLDER ONE IS -- IS AN OLDER -- OLDER STUDY. AND THAT IS SUSTAINED WITH THAT.

I AM JUST KIND OF -- HEY, THEY SAID A OR B, I AM IN WITH A, THAT IS WHY I MADE THE MOTION I DID.

I HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT IT IS -- IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT WE BOUGHT A UTILITY FOR WAY MORE THAN IT WAS WORTH 20 YEARS AGO. AND -- AND WE ARE SAYING THAT -- A NORMAL -- NORMAL MAINTENANCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AFFIDAVIT YEAR 40 AND AT 45 NOW. WE BOUGHT THAT THING WITH -- FOR 25 YEARS OF MILEAGE ON IT AND WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT ARE AND OUR STUDY COMES BACK AND SAYS OPTION B IS YOUR PATHWAY FORWARD AND BASICALLY MEANING STICK IT ON SOMEONE ELSE.

I HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE AND PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US THE OPTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CAPACITY GUYS, A AND B, I AM IN FAVOR OF A, THAT IS WHY I MADE THE

MOTION. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. WE HAVE ONE MORE, COMMISSIONER

ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE FLORIDA WATER ASSOCIATION DID NOT RECOMMEND OPTION A. THEY RECOMMENDED OPTION B.

RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY USE THE EVALUATED FEES TO HAVE TRUE AND SUSTAINABLE -- TRUE AND SUSTAINABLE COSTS OF RUNNING WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITY AND MAINTAIN AND PROTECT -- MAINTAIN AND PROTECT THE CITY'S VITAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE RECOMMEND AND CAN ASSIST IN ESTABLISHING FIVE AND TEN-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS TAKING -- YOU ARE GOING BACKWARDS. YOU ARE GOING TO CUT THE FEE AND SO WHAT THIS WILL DO IS PUT THIS ON THE CURRENT RATE HOLDERS.

YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM 71 YEARS OLD.

WHEN THIS COMES TO ROOST, I PROBABLY -- I MAY NOT EVEN BE ALIVE. BUT YOU ARE SCREWING THE FUTURE GENERATION BUSINESS ADOPTING THIS.

YOU ARE SCREWING THE CURRENT TAXPAYERS AND SCREWING FUTURE GENERATIONS BY GOING TO WHAT YOU DID.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS. NO FURTHER LIGHTS ON.

JUST TO BE CLEAR. LET'S FIRST OF ALL RECOMMEND TO MISS BACH, RESOLUTION ABOUT THIS.

CONSENSUS ON A RESOLUTION SHE WILL BRING FORWARD IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS PRESENTATION.

WE ARE GOING WITH OPTION A IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THAT IS STEP ONE. IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU MISS BACH.

>>TAMMI BACH: THAT IS FINE. >>MAYOR BEAN: CLOSE OUT THIS SECTION. TO KEEP IN MIND CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC CURRENTLY CHARGING $3,000 TO HOOK UP.

AFTER THIS, WE WILL BE CHARGE BEING $3,000 TO HOOK UP.

BY NOT PASSING THIS, WE ARE NOT TRIPLING YOUR GUYS.

ALL RIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. WITH THAT, DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE OUT THIS PORTION OF THE MEE

MEETING. >> I THINK I HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I WILL RESCIND THE MOTION.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YOU CAN RESCIND THE MOTION.

>> WE HAVE GIVEN STAFF DIRECTION TO COME FORWARD.

I CAN RESCIND. >> YOUR INTENTION IS NOT TO

ADOPT OPTING A TONIGHT. >> I WILL RESCIND THE MOTION.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THE ORIGINAL MOTION FAILS.

THEREFORE, WE LEAVE THAT ONE BEHIND, 7.2.

CONTINUE TO 8.1. >> TAKE A BREAK?

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>> WE WILL TAKE FIVE-MINUTE I WAS GOING TO HIT THE GAVEL.

OKAY.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I RECONVENE THE MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION.

[8.1 CODE AMENDMENT - UTILITIES FEES]

SO WE ARE HEADED ON TO ITEM 8.1, CODE AMENDMENT UTILITIES GUYS.

MISS BACH. >>TAMMI BACH: ORDINANCE 2023-27 AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING CHAPTER 82, UTILITIES BY AMENDING ARTICLE II, WASTEWATER SYSTEM, SECTION 160, USE CHARGES, AND ARTICLE III, WATER SYSTEM, SECTION 407, USE CHARGES, TO REMOVE THE RATE TABLES AND PROVIDE THAT FEES ARE THE SPEANNUALLY BY THE CITY COMMISSION VIA ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS JUST REMOVES A FEE TABLE FROM THE CITY CODE AND PUT THE WATER AND SEWER RATES FOR USERS IN THE FEE SCHEDULE -- IN THE MAST HE SHALL FEE SCHEDULE THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH.

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >>TAMMI BACH: PLEASE OPEN THE

PUBLIC HEARING. >>MAYOR BEAN: BEFORE THAT, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE. SEEING NONE.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ALREADY THE MOTION FROM VICE-MAYOR. A SECOND.

MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

[8.2 CODE AMENDMENT - FATS, OILS, AND GREASE (FOG) PROGRAM]

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. PASSES 5-0.

CODE AMENDMENT, FATS, OILS AND GREASE FOG PROGRAM.

>> ORDINANCE 2023-28, AMENDING CODE OF ORDINANCE ABOUT I AMENDING CHAPTER 82, UTILITIES BY AMENDING ARTICLE 2, WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO CREATE A NEW DIVISION SIX TITLED FATS, OILS AND GREASE, FOG PROGRAM, CREATING SECTION 82-145 PURPOSE AND INTENT CREATING SECTION 82-1446 DEFINITIONS, CREATING SECTION SECTION 28-147 A APPLICABILITY, CREATING SECTION 28-148 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS CREATING SECTION 28-149 ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT AND ABATEMENT RENUMBERING THE FOLLOWING DIVISION WITNESS THE ARTICLE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK OF THE

FOG PROGRAM. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE R

ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

[8.3 FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE FOR WATERFRONT LOTS]

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

PASSES 5-30. FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGE FOR

WATERFRONT LOTS. >>TAMMI BACH: ORDINANCE 2023-29, ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF RECREATION FOR WATERFRONTS LOTS 3 147B 34 LOT D, LOCATE AND SOUTH FRONT STREET TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 3.65 ACRES OF LAND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.

PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>MAYOR BEAN: PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE.

DO I HEAR A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

[8.4 ZONING MAP CHANGE FOR WATERFRONT LOT]

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES PASSES 5HORN 0. 8.4, ZONING MAP CHANGE FOR

WATERFRONT LOT. >>TAMMI BACH: ORDINANCE 2023-30, ASSIGNING A ZONING CATEGORY OF RECREATION FOR WATERFRONT LOTS 31-34 LOT D LOCATED ON SOUTH FRONT STREET APPROXIMATELY 3.65 ACRES OF LAND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR

EFFECTIVE DATE. >>MAYOR BEAN: PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE TO SPEAK.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES.

[9.1 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT]

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. BOARD APPOINTMENTS.

9.1. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

IS A TWO PERSON RACE. THERE ARE FOUR.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE OUR NOT-SO-SECRET BALLOT.

DO WE HAVE -- WE CAN SAY WHO OUR FIRST IT AND WRITE IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER.

EITHER WAY ALL GOOD. RIGHT THEM DOWN.

ANYBODY HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER OR USE AN ENVELOPE -- WRITE DOWN THE NAME OF WHICH OF THE TWO. A SCRAP FOR YOU.

I AM USING YOUR PEN. GOING TO BE.

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>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU SO MUCH. MAKE SURE YOU INCLUDE YOUR OWN N NAME.

PUBLIC RECORDS. YOU CAN SEE OUT SECRET BALLOT LATER ON WE ARE GOING TO HAVE. JUST ONE.

VICE-MAYOR STURGES IS BORYING YOUR PEN, COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YOU SHOULD HAVE -- MINE IS RIGHT HERE.

I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYBODY'S NAME ON THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.

SO IT IS A FIVE-VOTE RACE. I AND BEFORE SHE ANNOUNCES THE RESULTS, I DO WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE BOTH OF THESE WOMEN FOR STEPPING UP TO OFFER TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE COMMUNITY ON

BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >>TAMMI BACH: THREE VOTES FOR KELLY POWERS AND TWO VOTES FOR MARGARET DAVIS.

SO KELLY POWERS RECEIVED MORE. >>MAYOR BEAN: DO I HEAR A

MOTION. >> MOTION FOR MISS KELLY POWERS.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY DISCUSSION? THANK YOU TO BOTH. THEY ARE BOTH VERY QUALIFIED APPLICANTS. EXCITED FOR MISS POWERS.

SHE APPLIED NUMBER OF TIMES IN TO BE ON P.A.B. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. CONGRATULATIONS, MISS POWERS.

MISS BEST, PLEASE CALL THE QUESTION.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES -- >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SLOW DOWN,

WHAT IS THE QUESTION. >>MAYOR BEAN: APPOINTING MISS KELLY POWERS FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE ALREADY VOTED.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THAT WAS JUST GETTING OUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER.

WE HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL PROT. PLEASE CALL THE QUESTION.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: AND YES. THAT PASSES 4-1.

CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN, MISS POWERS.

>>TAMMI BACHOTE ON THE REAPPOIN >>MAYOR BEAN: ONE APPOINTMENT AND ONE REAPPOINTMENT. WE HAVE TWO SLOTS FOR TWO.

>>TAMMI BACH: TWO SPOTS FOR THE OPEN SEAT AND WE ASSUMED YOU WERE GOING TO REAPPOINT THAT MEMBER.

SO PLEASE GO AHEAD TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU INTEND TO REAPPOINT -- I DON'T HAVE THE NAME OF THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBER

THAT WOULD LIKE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE JOSHUA

BLAKE JENNINGS. >>MAYOR BEAN: THAT IS FOR THE

CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I BELIEVE IT IS MANNING. AM I CORRECT? MARY BHARZ I HEAR A MOTION TO REAPPOINT FOR COMMISSIONER ROSS.

A SECOND TO REAPPOINT? >> SECOND.

>> I THINK IT IS MANN. >>MAYOR BEAN: WE THANK JA JANET MANN. COMMISSIONER ROSS VOTES TO

REAPPOINT MISS MANN. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

[9.2 CODE ENFORCEMENT AND APPEALS BOARD]

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES, THAT PASSES 5-0. 9.2, CODE ENFORCEMENT AIR PALES BOARD. HEAR THAT MOTION.

MOTION TO APPROVE JOSHUA JENNINGS.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE

ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

[10. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0. NOW IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: INVITE YOU TO COME DOWN AND SPEAK.

>> THANK YOU. 1521 FRANKLIN STREET.

WE -- I WAS GOING TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT DUNE PROTECTION.

AND I THINK Y'ALL HAVE SHOWN THAT YOU HAVE A DEEP APPRECIATION FOR -- FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT, SO I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND ANY TIME ON -- ON TELLING YOU WHAT YOU ALREADY KNOW. I DO WANT TO SAY BEFORE YOU ACCEPT IT, WE HAVE PROTECTION IN PLACE.

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THAT IT IS MORE INVOLVED THAN THAT.

THE CODE YOU SAW DURING YOUR WORKSHOP EARLIER THAT -- THAT MR. CHARLES SHOWED YOU AND TALKED ABOUT WAS -- WAS GREAT.

IT HAD A LOT OF GENERAL STATEMENTS THAT WERE ASPIRATIONAL AND SPECIFIC. ABOUT DOING IMPORTANCE FOR OUR BARRIER ISLAND. AS WE SAID, IT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAD IN THE PAST. IT HAS BEEN MOVING FORWARD.

BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO STALL.

THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WE LOOK FORWARD TO CITY STAFF CONSIDERING THAT STAFF THAT THE DOCTOR HAS BEEN WORKING WON CONCERNED NASSAU SAW SPECIFICALLY HAS SPECIFIC CONDITIONS INCLUDING EXPERIENCE FROM OTHER COASTAL CITIES AND TERMINOLOGY THAT HELP THE CITY STAFF AVOID ARBITRARY DECISION MAKING AND HELP GUIDE BUILDERS. I HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO WORK ON -- ON THAT ORDINANCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

POLICE SHEILA CODY TO THE POD

PODIUM. >> SHEILA COOKIE, FERNANDINA BEACH. AFTER THE COPP TO FIRE THE CITY MANAGER, I MADE MANY PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS.

SPECIFIC PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST LOOKING INTO THAT AND I READ HUNDREDS AND HUNDRED OF E-MAILS. THERE WAS A DIRECT PUSH BY A CERTAIN FACTION OF PEOPLE TO ENCOURAGE TO YOU FIRE THE CITY MANAGER. AND ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WAS CONSISTENTLY IN THOSE COMMUNICATIONS WAS APPOINTED TO THE ADVISORY BOARD TO -- FOR THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH.

THAT PERSON HAS FINANCIAL INTEREST.

I QUESTIONED BEFORE IF THAT PERSON SHOULD BE ON THE ADVISORY BOARD IN THAT CAPACITY. HE WAS BEING SUED -- HIS PROPERTY THAT HE OWN IS ON THE WATERFRONT AND PART OF THAT.

SO CLEARLY HE HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST THERE.

HE NOW SITS ON THE ADVISORY BOARD TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU ALL OF WHO THE NEXT CITY MANAGER WILL BE.

AND HE JUST PURCHASED T THE TRINGALE PROJECT.

NOW THE ASSOCIATIONL,E OWNER OF THE TRINGALE PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET. INAPPROPRIATE FOR SOMEONE WITH A FINANCIAL INTEREST TO SIT ON THE BOARD THAT WILL DETERMINE THE CITY MANAGER THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN THE CASE WE ARE ABOUT TO GO THROUGH. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND TO YOU ALL THAT HE BE REMOVED FROM THAT COMMITTEE AND NOT SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY TO MAKE THE DECISION OF OUR NEXT CITY MANAGER FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS COCKY.

WE INVOTE MISS MIRIAM PHILLIPS. >> MIRIAM PHILLIPS.

I LIVE ON 6TH STREET. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES. I WAS VERY UPSET TO FIND OUT THAT THEY HAVE PULLED THE DROP BOX.

I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LAUGH AT ME.

I AM VERY OLD FASHIONED. I STILL WRITE CHECKS AND I LIKE TO DROP IT OFF. I HAVE DONE THAT SINCE I HAVE BEEN LIVING ON MY OWN, I HAVE BEEN PAYING MY BILLS AND DROP IT OFF. ANYWAY, I CALLED THEM, AND THEY SAID IF I WANT IT DRAFTED OUT OF MY BANK, $2 OR SOME ODD.

YOU CAN GO TO WALMART OR PUBLIX. I AM NOT PULLING MY MONEY OUT OF MY BANK ACCOUNT AND PAY CASH. I FOUND OUT THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE OR ALREADY HAVE DONE IT AT WILDLIFE.

MY QUESTION FOR THE CITY, IF THEY ARE A UTILITY COMPANY THAT COVERS ONLY THE PEOPLE ON THIS ISLAND, WHY ARE -- I AM NOT GOING TO DRIVE TO EULEE AND I SAID I WILL MAIL THE CHECK.

THEY SAID GET IT IN THE MAIL BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT -- I MAILED IT TODAY AND IT IS DO ON THE 28.

THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TIME.

I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE CAN STILL PAY OUR PAYMENTS.

I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE. PEOPLE CHIMING IN ON FACEBOOK.

I SAID I AM GOING TO THE OFFICE IN EULEE.

I AM HAVING MEETING IN PERSON. NOT DO IT ON TELEPHONE BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES. CAN YOU ANSWER THAT FOR ME.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO POINT OUT PUBLICLY THAT I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE WELCOME SIGN. I WITH A TONIGHT GIVE GOOD NEWS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO DO ALL THE BAD.

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THAT'S WHAT -- WE SHOULD HAVE THE CONVENIENCE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO THE SAME THING.

THEY LIKE TO PAY THEIR BILL. I DROP MY BILL OFF HERE AND ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACK ALL THE TIME.

I LIKE DOING. PLEASE ANSWER ME IF YOU CAN.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU. CHARLIE, CAN WE GET JEREMIAH TO FIND OUT WHERE THE VINES AND THE ANSWER TO MISS PHILLIPS.

I WOULD LIKE -- WHEN IT COMES TO FPU, DETAILS ON THAT.

WHAT ARE THE DETAILS ON THAT. WE CAN DO IT NOW AS WELL.

MISS BACH. >>TAMMI BACH: ONLY KNOW BECAUSE WE DID AN AMENDMENT FROM THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT.

PART OF THE FPU TOOK OUT THAT PROVISION THAT REQUIRED THEM TO HAVE AN OFFICE TO PAY IN THE CITY HAND THIS AMENDMENT WAS

APPROVED. >>MAYOR BEAN: IF I REMEMBER THIS CORRECTLY, THEY DID THAT IN RETURN TO ANNEXING THEIR -- [BEEPING] --

>> TIME IS UP. >>TAMMI BACH: YES, DEFINITELY THINGS THAT THE CITY WANTED AND FPU IS ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT THEY ASKED THE CITY FOR. >>MAYOR BEAN: UNDERSTOOD.

>>TAMMI BACH: THEY SAID YOU CAN PAY AT WALMART OR PUBLIX.

>>MAYOR BEAN: I AM NOT SURE THAT IS THE THEN A MISS PHILLIPS IS LOOKING FOR. WE CAN GIVE THE ANSWER OF THE METAL SIGNS. MISS PHILLIPS.

>> THAT ISN'T THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE A BUILDING OUT THERE UNLESS THE AIRPORT IS GOING TO GET IT OR WHOEVER WILL GET IT. THEY HAVE THAT LITTLE METAL THING TO DRIVE UP AND PAY IT. SO WHAT I AM ASKING IS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION FOR SOMEBODY HERE, YOU -- I DON'T CARE WHO.

BUT TO ASK THEM TO PUT SOMETHING -- I WILL EVEN PAY THE BILL UP

WHERE I PAY MY WATER BILL. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS PHILLIPS. I HAVE AN ANSWER FROM THE

VICE-MAYOR. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. MARIANNE, I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FPU VERY ACTIVELY OF THE CUSTOMER SERVICE SITUATION.

>> I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT TOO.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T PUBLICLY BLAIR OUT WHAT I AM DOING WITH EVERYTHING I AM DOING. BUT I HAVE BEEN ACTIVELY WORKING FOR THE CUSTOMER SERVICE OF UTILITIES TO IMPROVE.

AND IT HAS IMPROVED DRASTICALLY. LIKE, IF YOU MAKE A PHONE CALL DURING OFFICE HOURS NOW, YOU WILL GET A RESPONSE WITHIN TWO TO FIVE MINUTES. THAT RESPONSE USE TO BE 30 TO 60 MINUTES TO GET ANYTHING DONE IN FPU.

THEY LITERALLY ALMOST FIRED THEIR WHOLE STAFF AND HIRED A NEW STAFF BASED ON MY YELLING AND SCREAMING OVER THE PHONE FOR OUR CITY. SO I HAVE BEEN WORKING FPU FOR A WHILE. THEY DID REMOVE IT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTING THAT THEY REMOVED BUT THE DROP BOX PAYMENTS WERE NOT MAKING IT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF. I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM.

AND WORK ON WHAT WE CAN DO AS PAYMENT THAT CAN BE ACCEPTABLE, THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WALMART OR PUBLIX.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ANSWER IS YET, MARIANNE.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT BUT I AM ASKING YOU IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT LINE TO THOSE PEOPLE YOU CAN GET THEM TO DO SOMETHING HERE IN THE CITY. BECAUSE MY POINT -- MY MAJOR POINT IS THAT FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES SERVING THE CITIZENS OF FERNANDINA BEACH. NOT TWIELDLIFE WHERE THEY -- I DON'T GIVE A RIP WHAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE.

IT IS HERE ON THE ISLAND. ANOTHER NOT SERVICING THE CUSTOMERS FOR MAKING IT CONVENIENT FOR ME TO PAY MY DAD

GUM BILL. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY FINAL

COMMENTS, VICE-MAYOR. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: NO.

WE HAVE REMOVED THE PAYTATION HERE ON THE ISLANDS.

WE ACCEPTED THAT FOR THESE OTHER OPTIONS TO HELP FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES. SO WHEN WE APPROVE THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS ONE OF THE RAMIFICATIONS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A DROP-OFF SPOT PER SE. BUT I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM, MIR JIM AND SEE WTO REMEDY THE SITUATION.

>> YOU WILL CALL? >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: I WILL.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS PHILLIPS.

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MISS JULIE FERARRA. >> JULIE OFFICER, A, 501 DATE STAP STREET. COMMISSIONER STURGES HAD A GOOD IDEA EARLIER THIS EVENING OF RED FLAGGING ANY PROJECT OR FIFTH AVENUE AND FLETCHER. DILIGENCE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WHAT HAPPENED OBJECT FIRST AVENUE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS IS REALLY OUTRAGEOUS. WHETHER THOSE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THE POINT IS WE NEED TO FOCUS THE DEPARTMENT NOW ON THE DUNE AND NOT LET THAT SLIDE ANY FURTHER. DARREN, YOUR IDEA OF VARYING THE SETBACKS ARE A GOOD IDEA TO WORK WITH WITHIN THE NATIONAL TOPOGRAPHY. I HOPE THAT CAN SOMEHOW BE THOUGHT ABOUT. I AM THINKING THAT NO ARCHITECTURAL ENTITY SHALL BE ARBITRARY PLACED ON THE SITE THAT IT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY PLANNED AND DESIGNED TO FIT INTO THE NATIONAL SETTING SO CAN BE ONE WITH THE SITE.

WHAT DOES BECOMING ONE WITH THE SITE MEANS? ANY OF OUR FUTURE DESIGNS SHOULD ENHANCE THE NATURAL SURROUNDINGS AND NOT IMPACT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL SAFEGUARDS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN DO THAT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE OUR DESIGN RECOMMENDATIONS TO WHERE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ANY LONGER TO DIG A -- A FOUNDATION, BUT YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR HOUSING ON -- ON STILTS OR ON PILINGS.

THAT COULD BE ONE THING THAT COULD HELP AND NOT DIGGING INTO TUNES IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THE DUNE REQUIREMENTS. WE NEED TO BE PROTECTING SECONDARY DUNES AND TERTIARY DUNES.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE BUT THAT WE CAN EXTEND OUR REGULATIONS PAST THE 1,000-FOOT LAND WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION LINE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO IF WE COULD BLOCK THAT.

I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL EARLIER AND IT SAYS HOW SOUTH CAROLINA SAYS IT IS REALLY URGENT TO GIVE HIGH PRIORITY TO THE NATURAL SYSTEMS IN THE COASTAL ZONE WHILE BALANCING ECONOMIC INTEREST AND LOCAL AND STATE REGULATIONS FOR PLANNING.

BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW IS INADEQUATE.

AND I THINK SOUTH CAROLINA IS SAYING THAT THAT WE AS FLORIDA SHOULD LOOK AND REALIZE THAT WE ARE IRRETRIEVABLY DAMAGING AND LOSING IMPORTANT PARTS OF OUR TOPOGRAPHY IN THE CITY.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE REALIZE THAT THE MARITIME FOREST AND THE DUNES THAT ARE CONTAINING LIVE OAK AND CEDAR AND PINES THEY ARE OUR SECOND DEFENSE AND WE NEED TO PROTECT

THEM AS MUCH AS THEY CAN. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN. MISS BRYNN BYRON.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. WHAT JULIE JUST SAID REALLY -- I CAN'T SAY MUCH BETTER. BUT MOST OF THE DUNE DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS REQUIRED -- REQUIRE RELATIVELY SMALL EXPENDITURE IT IS THE DUNE ORDINANCE PROPOSED DRAFT IS PASSED.

IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. ONE SET OF EXPENDITURES THAT LOOMED VERY LARGE ARE THE DUNE WALKOVERS REQUIRING -- REQUIRING TO GET TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS WITH THEIR WAGONS, THEIR COOLERS, THEIR BEACH CHAIRS OR WHATEVER TO THE BEACH WHILE INCURRING MINIMUM AMOUNT OF DAMAGE TO THE DUNES.

THE CITY OWNS 30 OF THESE BEACH WALKOVERS.

SIX BUILT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS WITH ABOUT 45 BEACH WALK OVERS IN TOTAL. MOST OF THE OLDER BEACH WALK OVERS ARE AT THE END OF THEIR 25-YEAR LIFESPAN REQUIRING A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND ARE STILL SIGNIFICANTLY UNSAFE OR

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TAMPA IT IDENTIFIED BEACH WALKOVERS AS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE ONE THAT WERE VERY IMPORTANT OR EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO HELP ACCOMPLISH THE CITY'S GOALS AND TO ENSURE SAFE AND CONVENIENT BEACH ACCESS, AS WELL AS PROTECTING AND HELPING TO DEVELOP OUR DUNE. AS WAS STATED THAT IS OUR FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE IN THE EVENT OF ANOTHER STORM.

IN RECENT YEARS, THE MATERIALS DEVELOPED FOR USE OF BUILDING WALKOVERS AND DOCKS HAVE IMPROVED GREATLY RESULTING IN PRODUCTS THAT LAST FAR LONGER AND REQUIRE FAR LESS MAINTENANCE. AND, THEREFORE, THEY HAVE A LOWER -- A LOWER A LONGER LIFE -- THEY HAVE A LOWER LIFETIME COST. CURR CURRENTLY. CURRENTLY THE CITY FACES APPROXIMATELY $300,000 TO 400,000 A YEAR TO BUILD TWO OR MAYBE THREE WALKOVERS. ADDITIONAL APPROXIMATELY $100,000 A YEAR EACH -- IN REPAIRING AND MAINTAINING THE ONES THAT ARE FALLING APART. SO I WERE CORPORATE THAT JUST FOR OUR PROTECTION AND OUR BEAUTIFUL ISLAND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU. MISS MARGARET KIRKLAND TO COME SPE SPEAK.

>> MARGARET KIRKLAND, 77 PLANTATION POINT DRIVE.

I AM WITH CONSERVE NASSAU. AND YOU GOT A LOT OF LITERATURE FROM ME. I WAS FAIRLY ASTOUND SUNDAY TOED BY THE WORKSHOP TONIGHT. YES, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 3.1.2 IS A GOOD LITTLE PIECE, BUT IT IS NOT ADEQUATE BECAUSE IT IS NOT CLEAR AND THE CONTENT OF WHAT WAS UNDERLYING, THAT ASPECT OF THE TOE PROGRAM FEE DEALING WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OR CHANGING THE TOPOGRAPHY TO THE DUNE ARE NOT CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE READING IT. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU MESS AROUND WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE DUNE, YOU ARE THEN CHANGING THE WATER TABLE WHICH COULD AFFECT THE REST OF US AND NOT JUST THAT PARTICULAR DUNE. YOU ARE KILLING THE TREES BECAUSE THE WATER TABLE WILL BE CHANGED.

MANY THINGS GOING ON THERE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE NEED A LOT MORE I DID TAIL FOR THAT. EVEN IF WE HAVE MORE DETAIL FOR THAT ONE ELEMENT, THAT IS NOT A DUNE ORDINANCE.

THAT IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET. SO MUCH MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE NEED TO BUILD OUR DUNES WHICH WE CAN'T DO OVERNIGHT. RIGHT.

YOU DO IT NATURAL NATURALLY AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT AT THEIR OWN HOMES BY PLANTING NATIVE -- NATIVE PLANTS THERE.

AND MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE. THERE ARE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN FERNANDINA BEACH IN RELATION WITH THE DUNES.

BUT WE NEED TO DO A LOT MORE. AND I FRANKLY WAS ASTOUNDED TO SIT THERE. WE GO WITH LAND NOT DO ANYTHING WITH THIS NOW, BUT TALK ABOUT DOWNTOWN PARKING.

DOWNTOWN PARKING WON'T MATTER IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT OUR RESILIENCY FOR THE WATERFRONT ON THIS SIDE OF THE ISLAND AND OUR RESILIENCY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ISLAND.

WE TALK ABOUT -- ABOUT APPLYING FOR GRANTS FOR RESILIENCY.

AND STUDIES. WHY AREN'T WE DOING WHAT WE KNOW HOW TO DO ALREADY THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT SO EXPENSIVE THAT WE CAN DO. WE TALKED ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.

WATER AND WASTEWATER. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE

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SOME SUSTAINABILITY IN OUR ECONOMY AND OUR EXISTENCE HERE ON THIS ISLAND IN THE FUTURE. TO ACT LIKE WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A STORM IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS KIRKLAND.

WELCOME DR. FRANK HOUGH TO THE POD

PODIUM. >> I WILL BE A LITTLE MORE FRANK SINCE THAT IS MY NAME. FRANK HOUGH OF 4653 DENORO DRIVE

JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMIT. >>MAYOR BEAN: START HIS TIME

WHEN THE SLIDES COME UP. >> I WANT TO MAKE ONE QUICK POINT WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE SLIDES TO COME UP, I WORK FOUR YEARS ON THAT DUNE ORDINANCE.

AND YOU DISMISSED IT WITH ME SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS. AND YOU COVERED ABOUT 1/10 OF THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT IS IN THE DUNE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. SO IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK I AM -- GO LATE INTO THE -- QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT, I WILL BE BACK TO HAUNT YOU UNTIL I GET MY FULL MESSAGE ACROSS, EVERY WEEK IF I HAVE TO, EVERY OTHER WEEK. ANYWAY, THE SECTION YOU DID TALK ABOUT, IT IS TRUE. WE HAVE GOT AN ORDINANCE.

AND -- OR A PLAN THERE. AND IT IS GOOD FOR WHERE IT GOES. THE PROBLEM IS AS JULIE SUBJECTED UNDER STATE LAW, THE COASTAL UPLAND PROTECTION ZONE ON A BARRIER ISLAND HAS TO GO 2500 FEET, NOT 100 FEET WHICH IS THE LIMIT ON A NORMAL BEACH. SHOULD BE AS MUCH AS 5,000 FEET, BUT THE STATE WILL LET YOU DOWN TO 2500 FEET.

SO ALL THOSE RULES WE ARE APPLYING SHOULD COVER THE ENTIRE POLICY IN DUNE. THE DUNE THAT WE CALL THE BEACH AND THE SOFT SAND IN BEHIND IT. AND THE DUNE ORDINANCE AS JULIE SUGGESTED ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF, FIRST, THE CITY ENGINEER TO ENFORCE REGULATIONS SO WE CAN HAVE -- BY MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND PICKED UP SOME THINGS WE REALIZED FROM A DISASTER GOING DOWN IN LITTLE HA SAN FRANCISCO DOWN IN THE AMERICAN BEACH AREA. AND SOME OF THE DISASTERS WE RAN INTO THIS FALL THAT THE CITY ENGINEER HAD -- HAD TROUBLE REALIZING WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND VERY DIFFICULT AND THE POLICY AND DUNE WHICH IS 6,000 YEARS OLD.

A PILE OF SAND AND NORMAL BUILDING TECHNIQUES THAT WORK ELSEWHERE DO NOT FUNCTION. SO NEED SPECIAL RULES, ADDING ON TO THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN BUILD SAFELY WITHOUT DAMAGING THE DUNES THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO US.

THE SECOND MAJOR AREA AS WE TALK ABOUT IT, THE DUNES ARE OUR ONLY PROTECTION AGAINST STORM WAVE. THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS THE BEACHFRONT OUT OF THE FEMA VD ZONE, FLOOD ZONE, FROM WAVES.

EUSED TO THINK UNTIL 2017 THAT OUR DUNE FRONT OR BEACHFRONT WAS ALL OUT NUFLTVZ. OUT OF THE IF ZONE DID NOT REQUIRE FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION.

IN 2017, FEMA PUT EVERYTHING NORTH OF SADDLER INTO THE VZ ZONE. PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE TO BE PROTECTED. I MEAN, BORROWING MONEY.

FOR THE PART AND NEED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: TAKE 15 SECONDS TO CONCLUDE THE MESSAGE.

>> THIS IS THE SLIDE -- BACK ONE MORE, PLEASE.

OH, WELL. THE BIG THING IS THAT WE CAN BUILD THE DUNES WE NEED AND GET THE ENTIRE CITY OUT OF THE VE FLOOD ZONE BY JUST USING NATURAL TECHNIQUES.

FORCING THEM -- FORCING RULES TO PROTECT THEM.

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WE CAN DO THAT WITH VERY LITTLE MONEY.

VERY LITTLE COST TO THE CITIZENS.

AND YET PROVIDE GREAT BENEFIT IN THE FORM OF LOWER FLOOD INSURANCE, HIGHER PROPERTY VALUES AND THE LAKE.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER IMPORTANT THINGS IN THE ORDINANCE I WOULD LOVE TO GO BACK AND TALK TO YOU WHEN I HAVE MORE TIME AND MORE PREPARATION, BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE YOU MISS MY FOUR YEARS WORTH OF WORK SO QUICKLY.

>>MAYOR BEAN: LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SOON, DOCTOR, THANK

[11. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

MR. GEORGE. >>CHARLES GEORGE: KIND OF WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON SOME OF THE THIS I THINK SO GOING ON.

RIGHT NOW EIGHT PROJECTS OUT FOR BIDS.

THE SEASIDE WALKWAY IMPROVEMENT, GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION PUMP AND REPLACEMENT. THE GOLF COURSE CART FINANCING.

THE DREDGING AT THE MARINA. THE PECK GYM ROOF REPAIRS, FLOOR REPLACEMENTS. THE ALACHUA STREET PAVING.

THE DOWNTOWN SIDEWALK THAT WE GOT THE BIDS RECEIVED RECENTLY.

AND THEN WE GOT -- WE ARE WORKING ON TWO RFPS GOING OUT FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION DESIGN THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND AN RFP FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREETSCAPE MAINTENANCE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS OUTSOURCE THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE OUR STAFF JUST CAN'T CAPABLE OF KEEPING UP WITH THAT AND IT IS DOWNTOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE ARE AWAITING THE END OF THE TURTLE NESTING STATION BEACH ACCESS 40 AND 16 WERE THE TWO NEXT CRITERIA FOR -- FROM THE BEACH ACCESS COMMITTEE MEETING IN 2021 AND THE SECURITY TAPE AND WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF THOSE.

THE LOT E PARKING IMPROVEMENTS NEXT TO CITY HALL.

THE OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND ELECTRICAL CONVENTION ON NORTH FRONT STREET BY FPU. THE IF CLINCH DESIGN, THE WATERFRONT RESILIENCY DESIGN. WHAT THEY COMPLETED SO FAR IS ALL THE SITE INVESTIGATION THAT IS COMPLETED AND LOOKING FOR THE CONCEPT OF DESIGN AROUND THE END OF NOVEMBER.

ALSO, ONGOING IS THE MARINA BOARDWALK REPAIRS WERE DAMAGED BY THE HURRICANES BACK IN THE FALL.

THE LIME STREET AND 8TH STREET BAKING TRAILS.

AND PREP WORK. REPAVED IN A WEEK AND A HALF.

FIRE STATION NUMBER 2 IS WRAPPING UP.

HOPE TO GET THAT DONE VERY SOON. AREA 6 DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT DESIGN ASH STREET. THE NEW DRAINAGE SYSTEM SHOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THE CITY HALL STUCCO AND FACADE REHABILITATION IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW.

COMPLETING THE DESIGN OF THE DOWNTOWN LIGHTING DESIGN THAT WE -- THAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING NEW LIGHTING DOWNTOWN.

TALK ABOUT THE MARINA FUEL SYSTEM.

THE REPAIRS WERE PROBABLY A MONTH AND A HALF OUT.

THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN AS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT ALREADY, IS A ORIGINAL DESIGN FLAW AND HOW THE PIKE CONNECTS TO THE JUNCTION BOXES AND WHEN THE WAVES HIT IT. IT RAVELS AND SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE WAY BACK THEN TO DEAL WITH. AND SOMETHING.

AND THE NASSAU COUNTY SHORT PROTECTION PROCESS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, THAT IS GOING TO BE STARTING THAT DESIGN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO AFTER NICOLE AND HER -- NICOLE AND HER AND IAN BACK IN THE FALL, WE DID A POST STORM ASSESSMENT AND APPLIED TO THE CORE BECAUSE OF REPLENISHMENT BECAUSE OF THE SAND THAT WAS LOST.

THE CORE APPROVED IT. THE BIG ISSUE GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE -- ALONG THE FLETCHER THAT ARE ON THE FRONT DUNE. THEY HAVE TO SIGN THE EASEMENT TO THE CORE TO CREATE A DUNE ON THOSE SPOTS.

THE CORE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANAGE THAT EASEMENT PROCESS. SAND AVAILABLE TO PUT ON THOSE DUNES. ONE OF THE THIS THINGS IS GOING TO BE THE AREA AROUND MAIN BEACH ONE S ONE OF THE WEAK POINTS AND INTO DUNE PROTECTION OF THOSE SPOTS AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AND THE PUBLIC'S OPINION ON THAT AND AN IMPORTANT PORTION OF

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>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER?

VICE-MAYOR. >>COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU. CHARLIE, STREETSCAPE SUBBING OUT THE STREETSCAPE DOWNTOWN. WHAT EXACTLY THAT.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: MAINTENANCE. MAINTENANCE CONTRACT.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: TRASH, CLEANING SIDEWALKS.

>> REPLACING MULCH. MAKING SURE THE IRRIGATION IS RUNNING. CLEANING THE SIDEWALK WILL PREPARING DAMAGED BRICK. REPLA REPLANTING JUST KEEPING IT GOING.

>> ON GOING MAINTENANCE POSITION.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: HAVING A CONTRACTOR EVERY TWO WEEKS HAVING THE GRATES THAT THE WEEDS ARE COMING OUT.

>>COMMISSIONER STURGES: MINOR MAINTENANCE.

NOT MAJOR MAINTENANCE. >>CHARLES GEORGE: YES.

[12. CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS]

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. CITY ATTORNEY? TAMPA JUST REAL QUICK. I TALKED TO EACH OF YOU OF THE RIGHT DATE. I AM OBLIGATED TO ASK AND TO ANNOUNCE IN PUBLIC THAT I NEED TO MEET WITH YOU IN A SHADE MEETING. IT HAS TO BE SEPTEMBER 5, BECAUSE OTHER COMMISSIONERS AREN'T AVAILABLE ON OUR DAYS.

4 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 5, THE DATE OF OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, AT 5:05. WE HAVE A BUDGET HEARING.

I AM ASKING FOR THE HOUR BEFORE. IN ADDITION TO THE -- TO THE CENTER STREET RESTAURANT GROUP. THIS IS TO PREPARE FOR A MEDIATION MEETING WE ARE SCHEDULED TO HAVE AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. I BELIEVE TENTATIVELY SEPTEMBER 28 FOR CENTER STREET RESTAURANT GROUP.

CHARLIE GEORGE AND I MEETING WITH THEIR ATTORNEY AND THEIR PRINCIPAL, BRIAN SIMPSON. AS COMMISSIONER ROSS REMINDED ME, IN CASE WE GET A COUNTER OFFER OR OTHER RESPONSE FROM OPA OR THE PORT AUTHORITY. AT LEAST I SAY IT TONIGHT.

IT IS POSSIBLE WE DON'T HAVE ONE, I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED BUT

I HAVE TO AT LEAST ANNOUNCE IT. >>MAYOR BEAN: QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER -- >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, AND I KNOW THE AGE TO THIS. YOU HAVEN'T HEARD -- OPA HAD A SHADE MEET WHERE THEY ALLEGEDLY RESOLVED.

CAME UP WITH THE OFFER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID WITH THEIR SHADE AND HAD TO DO WITH THE PILOT PROGRAM OFFER.

YOU HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THEIR ATTORNEY?

>>TAMMI BACH: I HAVE NOT. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: CAN YOU REACH OUT TO THEIR ATTORNEY AND ASK THEM?

>>TAMMI BACH: I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: ASSUMING EVERYBODY AGREES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: SOUNDS REASONABLE. THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

[13. CITY CLERK REPORTS]

>>TAMMI BACH: THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> CITY CLERK.

>>CLERK: THANK YOU. THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH COMMITTEE MEETS NEXT MONDAY, AUGUST 21, 6 P.M. HERE IN CHAIRMAN PERCENT. PAUL BENNINGER & ASSOCIATES WILL ASSIST IN FACILITATING AND PRESENT THEIR CANDIDATES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY MANAGER POSITION.

AND FROM THERE, THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH COMMITTEE WILL MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS BEST.

CLARIFICATION, ARE THEY DOING FIVE FINALISTS OR I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION. I KNOW THERE IS NINE, BUT THE CITY SEARCH COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BRING US FIVE --

>> FIVE TO SIX CANDIDATES. >> OR --

[14. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: OR FOUR. >>MAYOR BEAN: EXCELLENT.

LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. SO WITH THAT, GO TO MAYOR AND

COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NOTHING.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: I WANT TO SAY I WAS PROUD TO REPRESENT THE CITY AT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

EVERYTHING FROM A FOUR-HOUR REQUIRED ETHICS TRAINING TO MEETING OTHER COMMISSIONERS, CITY MANAGERS.

A GREAT EXPERIENCE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO PARTICIPATING NEXT

YEAR. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: THANK YOU FOR YOU AND VICE-MAYOR FOR REPRESENTING US AND VERY MUCH NEEDED TO NETWORK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THE ONLY THING I HAVE, MAYOR, I WAS HONORED TO BE PART OF UNVEILING FERNANDINA BEACH IN NEW SHARK.

AND THE NAME OF FERDINAND BRUCE IS CHOSEN BY THE PEOPLE.

AN HONOR TO BE THERE. YOU JUST DON'T GET TO SEE HOW HARD THE MARINA STAFF AND WORK AND MISS KATHY CHAPMAN AND ALL THEY WERE DOING, CUPCAKES, WATERS, EVERYTHING.

AN AWESOME TIME. A LITTLE WARM BUT WE GOT THROUGH

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>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, COMMISSIONER.

VICE-MAYOR STURGES. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. OBVIOUSLY AS JAMES ALREADY MENTIONED, WENT TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

AND WE HAD A GREAT TIME. A GREAT TIME NETWORKING WITH OTHER CITY COMMISSIONERS, MAYORS, VICE-MAYORS.

AMAZE WHERE YOU CAN BE SITTING IN A PLACE TO TALK TO A LOT OF REPRESENTATIVES AND DIGNITARIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT REPRESENT CITIES AND OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHICH IS HOME RULE. COUNTIES DON'T NECESSARILY PARTICIPATE IN THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE MUCH BIG REMEMBER, BUT AS THE CITY, THEY HAVE THE AVAILABILITY AND POWER OF ORDINANCE AND LAWS THAT GIVE US GREAT REGULATIONS TO HELP US LEAD. IT WAS GOOD THING.

AND I ENJOYED THE GONE OFFICER RESIDENCE.

AS USUAL, IT IS VERY INFORMATIVE.

YOU GET TO SEE DIFFERENT VIEWS SOMETIMES.

NOT NECESSARILY YOUR VIEWS BUT DIFFERENT PEOPLE HANDLE GROWTH AFFORDABILITY FOR HOUSING DEVELOP.

ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SOLAR SOMETIMES.

THIS TIME IT WASN'T. SO I REALLY ENJOY IT AND I APPRECIATE THE TAXPAYERS FUNDING ME GOING TO EDUCATE MYSELF AND FURTHER MY EDUCATION IN GOVERNMENT.

AS WELL AS THAT WAS A LARGE LIST OF PROJECTS, CHASHLLY, THAT THE CITY HAS GOING ON. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE.

I AM ALREADY SEEING SOME OF THE WORK AT OUR PARKING LOT OUT HERE AND THE STUCCO IN THE BUILDING. AND IT IS JUST AWESOME THAT WE CAN DO THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND IMPROVE OUR CITY THE WAY WE DO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, CHARLIE.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR STURGES.

THIS PAST WEEK, IT WAS GREAT TO ATTEND OUR ANNUAL FAMILY REUNION. 24TH ANNUAL COOL BEANS.

A LOT OF BEANS THERE. A GREAT PLACE IT TO BE.

THANKS COMMISSIONER ANTUN AND VICE-MAYOR STURGES FOR REPRESENTING US IN THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

AND COMMISSIONER ANTUN FOR UNVEILING OF THE SHARK.

DONATED FERN AND IN. I WANT TO TOUCH ON CITY HALL.

IT IS BEING RESTUCCOED OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEK AND PARKING LOTS.

IF YOU WERE HERE TONIGHT AND SEE THE PARKING LOTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WE SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

ADDITIONALLY THE FENCES AT THE BALL PARK ARE GOING BACK UP AND SHOULD BE IN TIME FOR THE SEASON.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. AND I WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING WE HAD A VERY SPECIAL GUEST IN TOWN ON MONDAY OF THIS WEEK.

THAT WAS THE SBA ADMINISTRATOR GUZMAN.

SHE WAS HERE. APPOINTED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SHE CAN GO ANYWHERE.

SHE IS THE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION AND TAKES CARE OF THAT AGENCY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND SHE PICKED FERNANDINA BEACH TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK AROUND.

SHE WENT ON A SMALL BUSINESS WALK.

SHE WENT AND SAW GREAT SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE OUR JEWELRY AT ROBINSON JEWELRY. PAJAMA DAVE'S WAS ON THE LIST AND THE TOY STORE WHERE WE MET HER AND GAVE HER A PROCLAMATION TO WELCOME HER TO TOWN. APPRECIATE HER

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