Aug 09, 2023 Planning Advisory Board

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SO IT'S 5:00.

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

TODAY IS AUGUST THE 9TH, 2023, AND IT IS 5 P.M.

WE ARE MEETING TODAY IN THE CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS, 204 ASH STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH.

MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? . THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? JOHN, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? ALLEGIANCE] ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

LET US START WITH LET'S SEE.

WE HAVE I'VE ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THE SPECIAL MEETING WE HAD IN APRIL WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

WERE THERE ANY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.

APPROVED AS WRITTEN.

ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN.

HEARING NONE. THESE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT MINUTES ARE THE MEETINGS FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING OF MAY THE 10TH, 2023.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR APPROVAL? MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.

APPROVED AS WRITTEN. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND.

MR. BOYLAN, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. THOSE OPPOSED.

HEARING NONE, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT MINUTES ARE OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF JUNE 14TH, 2023.

DO I HEAR ANY CORRECTIONS OR DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH ONE CORRECTION.

OKAY, LET'S HEAR IT. ALL RIGHT.

IT'S ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THAT DOCUMENT.

AND IF YOU COME DOWN TO WHERE TERESA PRINCE IS LISTED, THERE ARE COMMENTS SECTION THERE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU READ TERESA PRINCE 3272 FIRST AVENUE COMMA NOTED WANDERED.

I THINK THAT WAS SHOULD JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY NOTED WONDER JUST DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE. SO WHERE DOES THAT START PAGE TWO IS THE PRINCE FIRST AVENUE SPOKE OF THE RECENT LEGISLATIVE UPDATES AND THE DISCUSSION.

NOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE.

ARE THESE NOT RIGHT PAGE FOR THAT? ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE UNDER 7.100.

YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS UNDER 7.1 DISCUSSION.

IT IS THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.

THE FIFTH PARAGRAPH DOWN.

EVERYBODY WITH US? YEP.

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, SO I GUESS IT'S THE SENTENCE STRUCTURE.

THAT'S ALL IT IS. IT'S JUST I WOULD JUST SAY SOMETHING LIKE WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY FIRST AVENUE HAD NOT OR HAD NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS ANALYSIS.

PERHAPS WE JUST DELETE NOTED THAT WOULD WORK.

SO DO WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT ON THAT SENTENCE THAT THE WORD NOTED IS STRUCK? I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH WITH THE ONE CHANGE THAT NOTED ON PAGE TWO IS STRUCK A STRIKE THROUGH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. OPPOSED LIKE SIGN HEARING NONE.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED WITH THE CORRECTION.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, OLD BUSINESS.

[4.1 SCRIVENERS ERROR - CORRECTING ACERAGE AND TITLE OF ORDINANCE 2023-0017 AND ORDINANCE 2023-0018 FROM 0.16 TO .30 ACRES OF LAND]

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

THE FIRST ITEM ON OLD BUSINESS IS A SCRIVENER'S ERROR.

THIS IS A LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND THE ADVERTISING WAS INCORRECT DUE TO THE ACREAGE BEING ADVERTISED AS 0.16, THE CORRECT ACREAGE IS 0.30, SO IT HAS TO COME

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SO THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAPHNE? THAT WAS JUST THOSE TWO LITTLE TRIANGULAR PIECES UP THERE.

OKAY. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS MODIFICATION AS WRITTEN.

OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SORRY. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN.

HEARING NONE. THE MOTION IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. UNDER ITEM FIVE, NEW BUSINESS.

[5.1 PAB 2023-0043- CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 766 KENNETH COURT]

KENNETH COURT ITEM HAS BEEN PULLED FOR TODAY'S CONSIDERATION.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT OR WHAT'S.

IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, COME UP TO THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

A COMMENT COME UP TO.

WE LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

DAPHNE, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE NEW ON THE BOARD, BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD DID YOU CALL OR I DID TRY TO GIVE YOU A CALL.

I WASN'T ABLE TO CONNECT WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON.

OKAY. GO AHEAD.

GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA'AM.

SURE. LAURIE LEMKE, 751, BARRINGTON DRIVE.

FERNANDINA BEACH.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORS AND THE BARRINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE'RE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP RIGHT THERE.

SO FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND TO TAMMY FOR TAKING A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND GIVING YOURSELVES TIME TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE COME BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY, BUT THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU.

AND IT HAS TO DO WITH SEPTIC SYSTEM ON KENNETH COURT, WHICH SEEPS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO OUR NEIGHBORS YARDS.

I WOULD CERTAINLY COMPLIMENT ANDRE.

HE'S DONE A FABULOUS JOB OF COMING OUT AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF WE'VE HAD ONE HUGE FISH KILL BECAUSE OF IT, AND HE HAS TRIED TO WORK AND IS WORKING, I THINK, WITH THE COUNTY STORMWATER OFFICE AS WELL.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE WE REALLY DO HAVE MAJOR ISSUES AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAVE TO LOOK AT BEFORE YOU JUST START PULLING THINGS IN.

THERE'S A BIG HOLE IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT PROBABLY SOMEBODY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT.

CHECK THE SOIL.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FROM THE SEPTIC TANK OR PROPANE TANK, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, A BIG HOLE WAS THERE.

WE ALSO KNOW THAT AREA IS KNOWN FOR BEING A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR.

SO WE LEARN FROM OUR INTERACTIONS WITH THE LAKESIDE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE DESTRUCTION THAT WENT ON DURING THAT BUILDING. I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME SPEAK ABOUT THIS A LOT, BUT IT REALLY DOES HAVE AN IMPACT.

SO WE WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY AND FOR US TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE IT COMES BACK FORWARD.

AND WHAT I ASK FOR MYSELF AND WRITING WAS A REPORT FROM STORMWATER, BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY BEFORE WE CAN GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT.

THANK YOU. DO WE KNOW THIS IS COMING BACK? IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WILL.

I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT IT WILL, THOUGH.

OKAY. TO THE APPLICANT TO DECIDE.

OKAY. I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THEY WILL NEED TO CONNECT TO CITY SERVICES AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD BE, THOUGH.

AND LORI, YOU'VE BEEN TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THIS AND THEY HAVE BEEN NOT RESPONSIVE.

YEAH, CORRECT.

AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE NOT EITHER.

SO JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT THERE RESPONSE TO US, JUST I KNEW I KNEW THAT I KNEW THAT MY FAULT.

SORRY. NO, NO.

WE HAVE TRIED TO BE WHAT I CALL GOOD NEIGHBORS BECAUSE ALL OF US IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL IS THAT WE TRY TO RESOLVE THINGS NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR, BEFORE WE START, YOU KNOW, CALLING. SO WE HAVE TRIED TO DO THAT WITH SOME OF THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN YOU CAN'T HOW DO I SAY THIS? YOU CAN'T MAKE ME TAKE CARE OF MY SEPTIC SYSTEM.

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YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

SO, YES, WE HAVE CONTACTED THE COUNTY.

AND AS I SAID, ANDRE HAS TO ANDRE HAS TRIED TO BE SORT OF THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO.

GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, SIR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY FOR YOUR ANALYSIS, DID YOU CONSIDER A SENSE OF NEIGHBORHOOD? AND THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS THAT I LOOKED AT IT INITIALLY AND I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH A SLAM DUNK.

YOU KNOW, SIX LOTS ALREADY PLATTED, [INAUDIBLE].

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I REALIZED, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.

THIS WAS ONE LARGE PROPERTY AT ONE TIME CONTAINING ONLY THREE LOTS.

AND THE THREE LOTS WERE THEN SUBDIVIDED.

AND NOW IT'S SIX LOTS.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ALL LARGER.

LOTS. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IF I LIVED THERE AND HAD THIS LARGER DEVELOPMENT STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND ADDITIONALLY, SURROUNDING THE THIS PROPERTY, THOSE NEIGHBORS, I WOULD THINK, WOULD SAY, WOW, THERE'S MONEY TO BE MADE IN SUBDIVIDING LOTS.

LET'S MOVE ALONG.

SO IN OUR ANALYSIS AND PLANNING, WE I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU EVER CONSIDER SUBDIVIDING LOTS, ADDING HIGHER DENSITY TO THE AREA.

OR DO WE JUST LOOK AT AVAILABLE LOTS AND KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 100,000 PEOPLE SOMEWHERE NEXT DOOR.

SO, MR. BENNETT, I'M SORRY, MAY I INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT? ROBAS YES. THERE IS A WHITE HONDA IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE EAST SIDE THAT'S BLOCKING IN A CITY EMPLOYEE.

DOES ANYBODY IN THE ROOM DRIVE A WHITE HONDA? YES, I DO.

OKAY. IT'S ON THE VERY END.

THERE'S NOBODY BUT PEOPLE IN FRONT OF ME, RIGHT? SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN, I THINK.

OUT. PARDON ME.

I'M SANDWICHED TOO.

I CAN'T GET OUT. OH, OKAY.

I'LL MOVE IT SO YOU CAN SEE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, MR. DEFINITELY. THERE'S LOTS CONFIGURED THE WAY THAT THEY WERE DONE.

SO IN THE COUNTY AND UNDER THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION, NOT WITHIN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.

SO WHEN THEY CAME TO THE CITY, THEY WERE ALREADY CONFIGURED IN THAT MANNER UNTIL IT WAS MADE.

WE WERE MADE AWARE THAT THEY NEEDED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING PULLED FROM CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I MEAN, IN YOUR ANALYSIS, YOU CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, WHAT IS EXISTING CURRENTLY WHEN IT COMES TO ME, AND THAT IS HOW IT WAS EXISTING WHEN IT CAME TO ME AND TO OUR OFFICE.

WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS CAN CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF MANY PLACES ON THE ISLAND.

AND THIS GOES BACK TO AND I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SAY THE WORD 103 POINT WHATEVER WITH CHARACTER AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT THESE SUBDIVISIONS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT'S IN THE COUNTY, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING THAT I CAN DO ABOUT IT.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO IN THE COUNTY, BUT WHAT I SEE IS DEVELOPERS GOING TO THE COUNTY AND DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT TO, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR YEARS, AND THEN COME INTO THE CITY FOR WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN'T DEVELOP BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND I'VE OFTEN SAID THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME KIND OF A OF, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION WITH THESE PEOPLE PRIOR TO JUST FORCING THESE THINGS ON US OR JUST SAY NO.

THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

I'M SURE IT WAS.

THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION WOULD HAVE HAD THREE LOTS.

THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, WERE THEY 50 BY 100 LOTS? THEY WERE 100 BY 100 LOTS ORIGINALLY, YES.

THAT IS WHY IT'S BEING PULLED 100 BY 132.

OKAY. BUT ONE OF THEM HAD A WHOLE HOUSE ON IT.

DID YOU SEE THIS IN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION? JUST TO CLARIFY, ALL OF THIS WAS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS IN THE COUNTY OUT OF THE CITY'S CONTROL.

BUT MY POINT IS THAT WHERE THE STOPPING GAP OF ALL AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE COUNTY.

AND THEY'LL STILL SHOW UP AND THEY WILL BE IN THE CONFIGURATION THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN.

OKAY. I JUST THINK IT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE DENSITY FOR THAT, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.

OKAY. I'LL TELL YOU NOW.

WON'T BE ANY SURPRISE.

THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. APPRECIATE THAT.

[5.2 PAB 2023-0044- CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, CALHOUN AND N. 7TH STREET]

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SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT, LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.

IT'S ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE OUTLINED IN RED.

ONE IS ON THE MID BLOCK OF THE UNIMPROVED NORTH SEVENTH STREET.

THE SECOND ONE IS ON THE CORNER OF CALHOUN AND THE UNIMPROVED NORTH SEVENTH STREET.

BOTH OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR POTENTIAL WETLANDS AND THEY ARE NOW UNDER THE CITY'S OWNERSHIP.

AND THE CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL R2.

THE PROPOSED ZONING AND LAND USE DESIGNATION UNDER THE CITY WOULD BE FOR CONSERVATION.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 0.46 ACRES OF LAND AND IT'S COMPLETELY VACANT LAND.

AND THE STAFF FINDS THAT THESE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAPHNE? JUST ONE QUESTION. WE HAVE CLEAR TITLE TO THIS LAND.

YES. OKAY.

OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PAB CASE 20230044 TO THE CITY COMMISSION REQUESTING THAT A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION ASSIGNMENT OF THE CONSERVATION THE CON CODE AND I LAND USE I'M SORRY CATEGORY AND CONSERVATION CODE AND AGAIN ZONING DISTRICT FOR TWO PARCELS OF LAND LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF UNIMPROVED NORTH SEVENTH STREET AND CALHOUN STREET IN MID-BLOCK OF THE UNINCORPORATED NORTH SEVENTH STREET TO BE APPROVED, AND THAT THE PAB CASE 2020 3-0044 AS PRESENTED, IS SUFFICIENTLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. OPPOSED LIKE SIGN.

HEARING NONE, THE MOTION IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

[5.3 PAB 2023-0046- CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, 123 HIRTH ROAD AND 96030 SOMERSET DRIVE]

CASE 20230046.

DAPHNE. YES.

THIS ITEM IS A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, LAND USE AND ZONING APPLICATION FOR MARSH COVE AND SOMERSET.

THIS PROPERTY OR THESE TWO PROPERTIES, I SHOULD SAY, ARE LOCATED AT 123 HIRTH ROAD AND 960300 SOMERSET DRIVE. THE PROPERTY SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 20.89 ACRES.

IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTY ZONED NASSAU COUNTY HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND NASSAU COUNTY RESIDENTIAL GENERAL AND THE PROPOSED FLUME AND ZONING FOR THE CITY IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND R-3.

AND ALSO WANTED TO MENTION IT IS COMPLETELY CONTIGUOUS ON THE NORTHERN, THE EASTERN AND THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES FOR THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY.

AND JUST SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS RESOLUTION 2023-102 HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO EXTEND WATER AND SEWER SERVICES FOR BOTH OF THESE PARCELS.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE MAKING SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS RIGHT NOW AND PLAN TO CONNECT TO WATER SERVICES WITHIN TEN YEAR TIMEFRAME.

SO THEY'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY CONNECTING TO WATER SERVICES, BUT THEY WILL BE IMPROVING THEIR SEWER SERVICES.

AND ADDITIONALLY, WANT TO NOTE THAT THE REQUESTED LAND USE AND ZONING FOR THE CITY IS WHAT IS MOST CONSISTENT AND CLOSELY ALIGNED TO WHAT THEIR EXISTING LAND USE AND ZONING IS CURRENTLY.

AND THESE ARE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ALL FULLY DEVELOPED CURRENTLY AND THEY'RE REQUESTING TO ANNEX INTO BRINGING THEM INTO THE CITY FOR ANNEXATION BECAUSE THEY ARE COMPLETELY CONTIGUOUS. AND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNITS HERE.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY 120 UNITS AT MARSH COVE AND 56 AT SOMERSET, AND THAT'S A TOTAL OF 176 UNDER NASSAU COUNTY. THEIR DENSITY ALLOWANCE IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S WHAT THEIR EXISTING ALLOWED WHEN THEY COME INTO THE CITY.

THEIR DENSITY ALLOWANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR LAND USE AND ZONING ASSIGNMENT WOULD BE TEN UNITS PER ACRE.

PREFACE. AND THE CONCLUSION IS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS.

IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IT IS A SMOOTH TRANSITION BETWEEN ZONING DISTRICTS.

THE COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH AND THE R-3 TO THE SOUTH, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE HIGH DENSITY FLUME CATEGORY AND THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL R-3 ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.

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ALL RIGHT. ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT OF OPERATION AND CLEAN IT UP SO THAT WE DON'T AND CONNECT TO OUR CITY SERVICES? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT THEY GOT TO GET IF WE LET THEM TIE INTO OUR SEWAGE SYSTEM, WHICH MAKES SENSE.

HOW LONG DO THEY HAVE TO GET THE OLD SEWER SYSTEM OUT OF OPERATION AND CERTIFIED THAT BY EPA IS? IT'S NOT A HELP. THAT QUESTION I'M NOT SURE I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT QUESTION.

I'LL CHECK WITH OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR.

UNLESS, TAMMY, YOU KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW FOR THAT ONE.

WE HAVE A CITIZEN I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'M JIM SHIELDS AND I'M WITH ALEXANDER PROPERTIES GROUP OUT OF ATLANTA.

AND BETTY BURKMAN IS THE MAJORITY OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WITH US.

OUR PLAN IS TO, YES, TAKE DOWN THE CURRENT WASTEWATER FACILITY ON THE SITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE GET WITH THE CITY AND HOW WE DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW YET.

WE HAVEN'T CROSSED THAT BRIDGE, BUT YES, WE WILL TAKE IT DOWN.

OKAY. BETTY WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, MISS BERKMAN.

IS THAT OKAY? SURE.

OKAY. PLEASE JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA'AM.

PARDON? YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS MA'AM.

BETTY BERKMAN.

DO YOU WANT MY ADDRESS? DID YOU SAY 74 OSPREY VILLAGE DRIVE UNIT 1100 MI ISLAND.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY AND IN THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS PROPERTY IS THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN FOR YEARS THE ONLY THING IN AMELIA ISLAND THAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE NEVER RAISED THE RENT.

THAT WAS ONE THING THAT MY HUSBAND WAS ALWAYS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT, THAT WE HAD TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THIS ISLAND WHERE PEOPLE WHO WORKED ON THIS ISLAND COULD LIVE.

THERE ISN'T ANY PLACE IN ANYTHING THAT GOES UP THAT SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT AFFORDABLE FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE KEPT IT LIKE THAT.

WE ARE YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO RAISE THE RENTS.

I MEAN, IT MAY HAVE TO BE A DOLLAR OR TWO AT A TIME.

YOU KNOW, WHEN CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW, YOUR WATER, ELECTRIC, EVERYTHING GOES UP.

BUT WE ARE COMMITTED TO HAVING SOMETHING ON THIS ISLAND THAT PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK HERE CAN LIVE IN.

AND SO AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.

AND SO I'M HOPING THAT WHATEVER CAN BE WORKED OUT WITH THE WATER IS WORKED OUT.

WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE, YOU KNOW, CHARGE PEOPLE ANYTHING MORE.

SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, MRS. BERKMAN. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO THE PLAN IS TO INITIALLY CONNECT TO THE SEWER AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF TIME GO IN AND REPAIR THE PIPES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SITE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO OLD.

WE'RE AFRAID THE PRESSURE FROM THE CITY WATER WOULD JUST CAUSE AN ENORMOUS, ENORMOUS PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.

SO THAT'S WHY SHE SAID OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS WE WILL GO AND MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN EVENTUALLY CONNECT TO THE CITY WATER.

OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YES. THERE ARE NO OTHER PRIVATE OWNERS IN THE MARSH COVE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THERE'S A CONDOMINIUM.

THERE'S A FEW.

I'M FOR SEVEN.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE NINE.

AND THEY ALL DID. THEY ALL HAVE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT TO COME IN TO THE CITY? NO, JUST THE MAJORITY OWNER.

RIGHT. OKAY.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE THEY ARE.

I PRESUME THOSE NINE RESIDENCES THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED ARE ON THE SAME WASTE SYSTEM.

YES, THEY ARE. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, IF THEY'RE COUNTY ZONING ALLOWS FOR DID I UNDERSTAND IT WAS 12? YES. AND BY COMING INTO THE CITY, IT'S TEN.

CORRECT. DOESN'T THAT MAKE THEM AUTOMATICALLY NONCONFORMING?

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THEY'RE NOT. YEAH, THEY'RE NOT EVEN OUT THERE.

THERE'S 21 ACRES UNDER THE NET DENSITY CALCULATION THAT WAS PROVIDED AS A PART OF YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR LAND AREA FOR TEN DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, THEY WOULD BE AFFORDED BY RIGHT 210 UNITS.

SO THEY'RE UNDER THEIR ALLOWANCE EVEN BY THE COUNTY STANDARDS.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT. MADAM CHAIR.

YES, I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THIS, BUT THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHY WE SHOULD ALLOW MULTIPLE UNITS OVER ONE PARCEL IN THE R3 ZONING.

I THINK YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE UNIT PER PARCEL.

THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, I THINK OF HAVING MULTIPLE BUILDINGS SPREAD THROUGHOUT A PARCEL AND WITH A CREATIVE DESIGN.

I THINK MISS BERGMAN IS RIGHT.

THIS THING'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE AND IT TRULY IS THE ONLY AFFORDABLE ONE.

AND NO ONE, NOBODY WANTS TO LEAVE.

SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE I KEEP TELLING MS. BERGMAN WE NEED TO RAISE THE RENTS.

AND SHE GOES, LIKE HELL, WE'RE NOT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO I HEAR.

YES. SOMEONE WANTED TO SPEAK.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM, MA'AM, IF YOU JUST COME TO THE PODIUM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA'AM.

YES, DEE HESTER.

96052 SOMERSET APARTMENT 1203 FERNANDINA BEACH.

THANK YOU. UM, I WAS.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT THERE FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS NOW.

IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY AND I THINK MISS BERKMAN FOR THAT.

BUT MY RENT HAS GONE UP AND WE PAY PRIVATE WATER AND SEWER AND THAT HAS INCREASED OVER THE PAST YEARS. SO I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT.

THEY WEREN'T RAISING THE RENTS.

MY LEASES ARE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A PILE OF THEM.

SO WE HAVEN'T RAISED THE RENTS LIKE THE MARKET HAS DICTATED, WHICH WE'VE HAD TO RAISE RENTS.

EXCUSE ME.

IN ORDER TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD.

THE RECORDING HERE. WE NEED TO SPEAK ONE TIME AT ONE PERSON AT A TIME.

AND THEN IF YOU COULD, I'LL LET YOU COME UP AND RESPOND.

WELL, I'M A FLORIDA LICENSED REAL ESTATE INSTRUCTOR AND REALTOR.

I'VE BEEN TEACHING FOR 40 YEARS, AND I'VE TAUGHT IN 11 STATES, INCLUDING THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA.

SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH LEASING, BUT AND THE LEGAL CONTRACT ASPECTS OF IT. BUT ANY TIME YOU CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF THE LEASE, WHEN YOU SIGN A NEW ONE, YOU ARE RAISING THE RENTS.

I STARTED OFF AT 700 ALMOST SEVEN YEARS AGO AND NOW I'M AT 1200.

I'M RETIRED.

I LIVE ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND HAVE A PART TIME JOB.

SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO OUR NEIGHBORS, WHO ARE A LOT OF THEM, MUCH, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE LIMITED IN INCOME AS I AM.

SO I JUST IT FLOORS ME THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU WOULD SAY YOU DON'T RAISE THE RENTS. MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD DIRECT IT TO US.

OKAY. YOU'RE SPEAKING TO US.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT DOES SURPRISE ME.

I HAD NOT PLANNED ON SPEAKING TONIGHT.

I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE MAKING AND WERE BEING MADE AND RECOMMENDED, BUT OUR RENTS ARE BEING RAISED.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

APPRECIATE THAT. SIR.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND.

YES, MA'AM. YOU'RE RIGHT, SIR.

IF YOU JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE.

JIM SHIELDS FROM ATLANTA, GEORGIA.

MY OFFICE IS 3901 NORTHEAST EXPRESSWAY SUITE 400, ATLANTA, GEORGIA, 30341.

THANK YOU. THE RENTS HAVE GONE UP BASED ON COST OF LIVING TO COVER THE EXPENSES, AS WE ALL KNOW.

BUT THAT SAME UNIT IN TODAY'S MARKET COULD RENT FOR CONSIDERABLY MORE.

AND WHEN MISS BERTMAN SAYS WE HAVEN'T RAISED RENTS, WE HAVEN'T GONE UP TO THE FULL MARKET.

EXCUSE ME? THE FULL MARKET POTENTIAL.

BUT MISS BERTMAN IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF LOSING MONEY, AND NEITHER ARE WE.

AND NEITHER ARE YOU GUYS.

SO WE HAVE TO COVER OUR COSTS AS THE COSTS GO UP.

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WE'RE NOT MAKING NEARLY THE MONEY WE COULD MAKE BY INCREASING THOSE RENTS TO THE CURRENT RENTS THAT YOU'RE SEEING UP AND DOWN AND IN THE CITY.

AND WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH RENTS.

WE'RE DEALING WITH ANNEXATIONS.

RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE. DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR.

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PAB CASE 20230046 TO THE CITY COMMISSION REQUESTING THAT A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION ASSIGNMENT OF THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL HDR CODE LAND USE CATEGORY AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL R THREE ZONING DISTRICT LOCATED AT ONE, TWO, THREE PERTH ROAD AND 96030 SOMERSET DRIVE TO BE APPROVED AND THAT PAB CASE 20230046 AS PRESENTED, IS SUFFICIENTLY COMPLIANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU. DO I HEAR A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT SECOND, MR. BENNETT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.

OKAY. MR. I WILL SECOND THAT. SECOND.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION? NONE FOR ME. NONE DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL CALL THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED, LIKE SIGN.

HEARING NONE. THE MOTION IS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM SIX BOARD BUSINESS.

[6. BOARD BUSINESS]

YES, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.

BUT ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS.

MR. GILLETTE SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING BACK IN JUNE.

AND THE QUESTION FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS TONIGHT, THERE'S NO DECISION MAKING OR ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

IT'S JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY EXISTING IN OUR CODE.

OUR MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW IS FIVE ACRES TO ESTABLISH A PUD.

SO TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AS A BOARD AND DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE STANDARDS TO FIT WITHIN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT OR WHAT WE NEED TO ADJUST, IF ANYTHING, IN THAT.

AND I'LL LET MR. GILLETTE, IF HE HAS ANYTHING HE'D LIKE TO SAY ON THAT FURTHER TO BEFORE NICK DOES THAT, COULD YOU WHAT CAN YOU NAME ALL THE PUDS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW? WATERFRONT AREA.

HOW MANY WHAT ARE GREEN ISLAND IS A CRANE CRANE ISLAND.

AMELIA PARK IS AMELIA PARK EXAMPLE VINTAGE AMELIA APARTMENT COMPLEX.

ALSO, HOW ABOUT HIGHLAND DUNES? IS THAT A PART OF HIGHLAND DUNES? THEY'VE GOT A PART. THEY'RE NOT.

OKAY. BUT THANK YOU.

AND ALL OF THOSE ARE STRICTLY RESIDENTIAL.

EXCEPT AMELIA PARK HAS SOME COMMERCIAL ELEMENT TO IT.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S HICKORY RIDGE IS A PED.

SHELLCODE IS A PED SHELL COVE.

YEP, THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

SO THEY'RE USUALLY YOU TRY TO IMPLEMENT DIFFERENT DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEY HAVE BEEN LARGER PARCELS.

BUT IF I MAY MADAM CHAIR.

YES MR. [INAUDIBLE].

BUT THEY WERE OUT OF LARGER PARCELS FOR THE MOST PART.

AND EVEN THIS ITEM I THINK TONIGHT THAT GOT TABLED, I KNOW IT'S ONLY 0.92 ACRES, BUT IT WOULD LET THE NEIGHBORS AND US KNOW WHAT'S GOING THERE.

IF WE DID A PUD, WE'D BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE USES ARE, THE LOT SIZES, THE FOOTPRINTS.

IF THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL ELEMENT, WE WOULD KNOW WHERE THOSE FOOTPRINTS ARE.

WE'D KNOW WHERE THE OPEN SPACE WAS.

WE WOULD HAVE A DESIGN ELEMENT IMPLEMENTED INTO THE OVERLAY AS OPPOSED TO JUST RANDOMLY ASSIGNING LOT BOUNDARIES.

OKAY. WHEN CAN I INTERRUPT? YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WAS PICKING ONE ACRE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO EVEN FIND ONE ACRE THESE DAYS.

AND IT MAY ALLOW PEOPLE TO COMBINE DIFFERENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS AND WRITE THEIR OWN OVERLAY.

SO WHEN THERE IS A DESIGN ELEMENT.

DAPHNE AND WHOEVER KNOWS DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE.

SEE WHAT IS WHATEVER IS GOING THERE.

DO WE GET TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE? YES, YOU DO. SO UNLIKE OTHER THINGS WHERE YOU'LL GET TO SEE THE T WORD MULTIPLE TIMES.

YES. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

ALL WE KNOW IS HOW BIG IT IS.

BUT IF WE DO THIS, WE SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

YEAH, IT'LL GO THROUGH OUR TFC PROCESS FOR AN INITIAL REVIEW AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN IT'LL COME TO THE PAB AND YOU'LL REVIEW IT AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE CHANCES TO LOOK AT IT.

ALL RIGHT. MR. BENNETT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? YES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEDS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S BEEN FOLLOWING THE TINY HOMES IN THE COUNTY.

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OKAY. SO I DON'T.

IS THE CITY GOING TO DOING ANY PRELIMINARY WORK OR POTENTIAL TINY HOMES? NO. WELL, LET ME FINISH TELLING YOU, WHAT I BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE PAPER, EACH PAD CAN HAVE THREE TINY HOMES.

SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT'S A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAILER PARK.

WELL, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT MY POINT IS THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL TRAILER PARKS PROXIMATE TO THE CITY.

YEAH. SO YOU COULD GO FROM THAT TO A POTENTIAL PUD AND HAVE THREE UNITS PER TRAILER OR WHICH KIND OF THING.

WHAT'S THERE NOW? SO IF THERE'S TEN TRAILERS THERE NOW YOU'VE GOT 30 TINY HOMES.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE FINISHED BEFORE CARS.

ALL THE IMPACTS THAT COME WITH INCREASED PEOPLE.

AND I DON'T I WOULD THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME SOMEBODY'S GOING TO NEED WATER AND SEWER AND GOING TO BE CONTINUOUS TO THE CITY AND WANT TO ANNEX IN. AND NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH TINY HOMES OR AS TONIGHT DEAL WITH SIX LOTS RATHER THAN THREE.

SO IT'S JUST A POINT THAT WE ARE THE PLANNING ADVISORY AND MAYBE WE SHOULD DO SOME PLANNING SO THAT WHEN I MEAN, WE SEEM TO ALWAYS BE THE RECEIVING END OF WHATEVER THE COUNTY DOES, YOU KNOW, THEY DO THINGS AND HERE WE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.

YOU GOT TO DO IT NOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD START RECOGNIZING THAT AND START DOING SOME REAL PLANNING FOR WHEN WE GET THESE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS COME TO US.

WE'RE NOT SITTING THERE WITH OUR THUMBS STUCK WHERE SEWAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE TO THE CITY.

ATTORNEY YEAH, WELL, I JUST WANT BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THIS ALONG THE SAME ISSUE, MORE PEOPLE I'VE BEEN HERE.

RIGHT. THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN PROPOSE.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M IN FAVOR OR NOT.

I'M INDIFFERENT. I'M JUST.

THESE ARE TOOLS YOU CAN USE.

THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE WISE TO.

FOR THE CITY COMMISSION ULTIMATELY, AND THIS BOARD TO RECOMMEND THAT IF THAT'S DONE IN THE COUNTY LIKE THAT, WHETHER IT'S KENNETH COURT OR SOMETHING LIKE WE DON'T WANT THEM IN OUR CITY. THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE ISLAND.

ALL THOSE IMPACTS ARE FELT.

WE MIGHT AS WELL COLLECT THE TAXES THERE USING THE CITY SERVICES.

WELL, LET ME BE CLEAR. I'M NOT HERE SAYING I'M AGAINST THE GROWTH.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME VERY LARGE POTENTIAL IMPACT IN DENSITY.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE COUNTY'S RULES.

WHAT DO WE DO THAT I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW A WAY, TELL US, BECAUSE STAFF HAD CONCURRENCY AND THEN OF COURSE, THAT WENT AWAY.

BUT RIGHT. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT AT SOME POINT WE AS A CITY WOULD TRY TO PLAN FOR SOME OF THAT RATHER THAN JUST BE HAPHAZARD WHEREVER IT FALLS, YOU KNOW? WELL, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME TEAM ON THAT ARGUMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE PLANNING IF WE BRING IN PODS FOR SMALLER ACREAGES BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE A VOICE AS TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH, WELL, AND THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE WE COULD CERTAINLY WORK ON.

BUT YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT ROADS AND THINGS.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WENT OUT, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE STREET SCENE OF WHERE KENNETH COURT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ROAD COULD HANDLE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE THE I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S NOBODY DRIVING THERE NOW BECAUSE MOST OF IT'S VACANT LAND WHERE THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS.

BUT THERE'S IMPACTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IS ALL I'M SAYING IS THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME SOME ADVANTAGE OF THE POD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ALMOST I HATE TO USE THE WORD CONTROL, BUT IT IS CONTROL.

YOU'VE GOT MORE CONTROL AS A COMMUNITY OVER WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT PIECE OF GROUND.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MORE FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT IS THERE A MINIMUM THAT FROM AN ROI STANDPOINT, CAN I, A DEVELOPER GO IN AND DO ALL THE THINGS THEY NEED TO DO? THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO SET UP AN HOA AND DO ALL THOSE.

IT'S ON A SMALL SCALE.

IS IT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, I GUESS, TO DO IT? AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IT THAT'S ON THE EDGE OF IT.

THAT'S A PRETTY SMALL ACREAGE AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT.

YEAH, BUT IT COSTS JUST AS MUCH TO DO A PAD JUST ABOUT AS IT DOES TO REZONE AN ANNEX PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO THAT COST IS THE SAME.

OKAY. I THINK IT GIVES PEOPLE INCENTIVES TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE A TARGET IN MIND OF A ONE ACRE PARCEL BECAUSE I DON'T, BUT I THINK IT'S A STARTING POINT.

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WELL, I LOOKED AT A COUPLE.

I PICKED A COMMUNITY KIND OF AT RANDOM, AND IT WAS A PLACE CALLED ROCKLEDGE, FLORIDA.

IT'S DONE BY CAPE KENNEDY AREA.

THEY'RE DOUBLE OUR SIZE.

WELL, THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE THE SAME FIVE ACRE RULE.

I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, I'LL JUST LOOK AT ANOTHER ONE.

AND DAPHNE AND I LOOKED AT DELRAY BEACH, FLORIDA, THERE AT THE FIVE ACRE, BUT DELRAY'S NOW SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER.

WE ARE FROM A POPULATION STANDPOINT.

BUT I WAS JUST SAINT JOHN'S DOESN'T HAVE ANY THRESHOLD AND DUVAL DOESN'T HAVE ANY THRESHOLD.

NOT THAT WE WANT TO BE DUVAL OR SAINT JOHN'S, BUT THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE YOU CAN DO A HALF ACRE PAD.

AND I LOOKED AT A MILLMAN NATIONAL LAND SERVICE.

THEY SAID, YEAH, THERE IS NO MINIMUM ON THE ACREAGE FOR A PUT.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT'S FOR SOME SORT.

SO LIKE YOU SAID, IT ALLOWS FOR MORE DESIGN, MORE CONTROL, MORE PLANNING, MORE OF EVERYTHING RATHER THAN THROW IT ALL UP AND PUT THE HOUSES FALL WHERE THEY MAY.

PETER, TO YOUR POINT, ONE ACRE IS SMALL.

THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

THAT MAY BE TOUGH, BUT IT WAS JUST A STARTING POINT TO THROW UP.

NO, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO START.

THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO. I MEAN, I GUESS MY FEELING IS MAYBE WE OUGHT TO KEEP POKING THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THERE MAYBE. I JUST NOT SURE.

I JUST WANT TO DO NOTHING AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND GO AHEAD.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHICH ACREAGE IS IN THE COUNTY.

IT'S TEN AND LOOK AT THAT AND THEN SAY, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? YOU KNOW, IS IT SECOND GUESSING? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THAT? EVERYTHING SURROUNDING THE CITY.

THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS ANNEX THE WHOLE ISLAND.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN YOU SEE A VACANT PARCEL THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY YOU THAT'S GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED TO DEFINE BECAUSE IT'S THE LINE THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY IS VERY I MEAN IT'S NEBULOUS PEOPLE SOME PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW DO I LIVE IN THE COUNTY? DO I LIVE IN THE CITY? YOU KNOW? SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO DEFINE THOSE EDGES IN THOSE PLACES.

ALL RIGHT. SO REALLY, THE QUESTION THAT I THINK DAPHNE HAS BROUGHT BACK TO US IS, WOULD WE AS A BOARD LIKE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TO EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, IS IT ONE ACRE, IS IT THREE, IS IT FIVE, WHATEVER IT IS AT SOME FUTURE DATE? AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE QUESTION IS.

AND SO DO WE HEAR SOME CONSENSUS? IT'S NOT A MOTION THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE.

BUT IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, MAYBE FLUSH IT OUT WITH MORE EXAMPLES, LOOKING AT OTHER COMMUNITIES, THAT KIND OF THING IN THE FUTURE? NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT UP LIKE TOMORROW, BUT AT SOME FUTURE DATE.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER? I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO HOLD THE DOG BY THE TAIL ANYWAY JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

BUT MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOME COMMUNITIES THAT MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THEY DID.

I LOOKED AT TWO WHILE THEY WERE BOTH FIVE, SO THAT DIDN'T ANSWER.

BUT IF WE FIND 3 OR 4 COMMUNITIES, SAY 12 TO 15,000 RESIDENTS AND THEY WENT DOWN TO SAY 2000 OR 2 ACRES, I'M SORRY, AND THEY HAD RATIONALE FOR THAT MIGHT BE SAID, OKAY, WE GOT TO START DOING THE SAME THING.

WE PROBABLY FIND IT IN HIGHER DENSITY AREA.

WELL, I MEAN, THE PUTT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HIGHER DENSITY.

WELL, YOUR UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS GOING TO DICTATE HOW MANY UNITS YOU.

EXACTLY. YEAH.

JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING ADDITIONAL YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU'RE SO A NORMAL R1.

AN R1 IS WHAT SIX YOU'RE GETTING, WHAT R1 ALLOWS YOU'RE GETTING, WHAT R2 ALLOWS IS NOT GIVING YOU MORE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.

SO IT'S NOT AN EXTRA DENSITY.

YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CRYSTAL CLEAR.

IT JUST ALLOWS YOU TO USE THE LAND AND SPREAD UNITS OUT IN A DIFFERENT FASHION.

THINK OF A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT TYPE INSTEAD OF HAVING YOUR STANDARD SUBDIVISION 25 FOOT IN THE FRONT IN THE REAR, YOU COULD USE IT TO PRESERVE TREES.

YOU COULD USE IT TO MAKE MORE OPEN SPACE, THAT KIND OF THING.

A CLUSTER DEVELOPMENT WOULD.

NICK AND YOUR VIEW, WOULD THAT KIND OF GIVE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE VARIETY IN TERMS OF THE VISUAL APPEAL FROM ELEVATION AND STUFF? WELL, IT'S LIKE THIS PERSON THAT WAS ANNEXED.

LET'S SAY, IF IT WAS GOING TO WAS IT MDR, WAS IT EIGHT UNITS AN ACRE? IF IT WAS ONE ACRE, YOU WOULD BE CAPPED AT EIGHT UNITS.

BUT IT MAY ALLOW YOU TO DO EIGHT TINY HOUSES THAT YOU PUT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND THEN PUT STREETSCAPE UP AND DO DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS.

OKAY. AS OPPOSED TO JUST DOING COOKIE CUTTER LOTS BECAUSE IN EFFECT, YOU'RE KIND OF CONSOLIDATED ALL THE GROSS AREA AND NOW YOUR TREE PRESERVATION, MAYBE YOU PUT IT IN THAT AREA THAT'S ALREADY CLEARED.

YEAH. AND THEN YOU KEEP THE REST AS OPEN SPACE.

OKAY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING HERE, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS IN DOING THIS, ALL WE HAVE IN MIND IS RESIDENTIAL.

[00:45:09]

OKAY, TAMMY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? HAVE WE EVER SAID NO TO THE COUNTY WHEN THEY WANT TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY? IF WE SAID NO TO THIS, WHAT HAPPENS? NOTHING. YOU HAVE PEOPLE CONTINUING SERVICES WITHOUT PAYING TAXES.

OKAY, SO WE WOULD. WE WOULD.

IT'S THERE'S NO THERE'S NOTHING THAT LEGALLY REQUIRES THE CITY TO ANNEX ANYBODY AND UNLIKE SOME OTHER PLACES, TOO, THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES THE CITY TO GIVE OR TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO OUR WATER AND UTILITY EITHER.

BUT IT SEEMS MY MEMORY IS THAT THE GUN THEY PUT TO OUR HEAD ALL THE TIME IS SEWER ON THE MARSH.

AND I MEAN, THERE WERE A COUPLE HOMES THAT WENT IN THAT WHO THE COUNTY, WHEN THEY WANT TO BE ANNEXED IT IS WELL YOU GOT TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO FOUL THE MARSH IF YOU DON'T RIGHT. THEY COULDN'T DEVELOP THIS UNDER SIX UNITS PROBABLY IN THE COUNTY ON THE 50 FOOT LOTS.

YEAH I'M GUESSING THAT ON FOR DEVELOPMENTS MY UNDERSTANDING DIRECTLY FROM TACO POPE IS THAT THEY HAVE HAD A WHILE A POLICY BUT THEY'RE STRICTLY ENFORCING IT NOW AS THEY WANT. IF THERE'S SEWER AVAILABLE IN THE VICINITY, EVEN THEY WANT CONNECTIONS TO SEWER.

SO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND NICK WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS THE ONE THAT PERMITS A SEPTIC SYSTEM.

YOU CAN GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND GET A PERMIT FOR A SEPTIC SYSTEM, BUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT WON'T BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.

SO THE COUNTY IS MAKING SO AND IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THIS ISLAND AND THERE IS NO MISTAKE WHERE THOSE ARE.

YOU EITHER HAVE CITY OR ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND COUNTY UTILITY.

THERE'S NO OTHER CHOICES UNLESS YOU PUT YOUR OWN PRIVATE SYSTEM IN.

SO EVENTUALLY EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE PARKWAY, NORTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT THERE AT CURBING, IS GOING TO BE IN THE CITY.

I MEAN, WE MAY NOT BE ALIVE THEN, BUT IT WILL ALL BE IN THE CITY.

AND THE CITY TRIED TO ANNEX.

THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND IN THE 90S, WENT TO REFERENDUM.

IT WAS A HORRIBLE DISASTER BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T DO A GOOD, IF YOU WILL, MARKETING CAMPAIGN.

AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE ANNEXING RESIDENTIAL AREAS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MOST OF THE OWNERS SIGNING OFF THAT THEY ARE COMING IN VOLUNTARILY OR VOTING TO COME IN.

SO THE COUNTY. WATER OR SEWER OR SEPTIC TANKS TO BE PUT IN THERE.

WOULD THEY ALLOW THAT ON THE SIXTH? IF YOU'RE WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE OF WATER, YOU HAVE TO CONNECT TO WATER.

YEAH, BUT IF YOU'RE IN A RURAL AREA LIKE KENNETH COURT, THEY'LL LET YOU PUT A SEPTIC IN.

WHAT'S RURAL AREA? ME I MEAN THIS CAN.

THE COURT WE HAVE SEWER THERE THOUGH, BUT THEY, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSIDERS IT UNAVAILABLE.

YOU HAVE TO ANNEX. THEY CAN YEAH THAT'S DIFFERENT HEALTH DEPARTMENT SO YEAH, THE COUNTY WILL GIVE YOU A PERMIT FOR.

ALL RIGHT SO DID YOU HAVE.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

ARE THERE ANY SET PRIVATE SEPTIC TANKS ON THE ISLAND? SEPTIC TANKS. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE.

I WOULD THINK ANNEXING THEM, THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHO WANTS IT? YEAH, THAT'S JUST BRIEFLY, THERE'S.

GO AHEAD. SO THERE'S THE STATE LAW IN FLORIDA IS THAT IF THERE'S SEWER AVAILABLE, YOU MUST CONNECT.

BUT IT'S UP TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, CITIES AND COUNTIES TO ENFORCE THAT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE SEWER IS AVAILABLE.

IF IT IS ADJACENT TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE, SOMEWHERE ADJACENT, AND IF THE CITY DECIDES TO JUST EXTEND, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO SEWER LINE DOWN CETRONIA.

AND AS YOU KNOW, MANY OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OR MOST ARE IN THE COUNTY.

THE CITY PUT A SEWER SYSTEM DOWN CETRONIA AND STARTED RUNNING LINES OUT INTO THOSE STREETS.

THE LAW IN FLORIDA IS THE CITY COULD, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT SEEMS MEAN AND NASTY AND PEOPLE FEEL FORCED IS.

BUT FOR PUBLIC HEALTH, THE STATE SAYS IT'S OKAY.

THE CITY CAN SEND A LETTER TO A PROPERTY OWNER THAT JUST PUT A BRAND NEW SEPTIC TANK IN FOR $20,000 AND SAY YOU HAVE 365 DAYS TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR PROPERTY. AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IT AT THEIR COST.

I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN DEFENDING THAT FOR ANOTHER CITY.

IT SOUNDS. WOW.

BUT THAT'S THE LAW.

SO BUT RIGHT NOW IN NASSAU COUNTY, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT.

THE CITY IS NOT ENFORCING THAT RULE BECAUSE WE HAVE SEWER AVAILABLE IN LOTS OF PLACES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SEPTIC AND WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM THEY HAVE TO CONNECT.

AND THE WATER QUALITY IS FAILING BECAUSE OF ALLIGATOR CREEK, FOR EXAMPLE.

IS IT COMING UP, WHAT DID THEY DO MATTER IN THE CREEK? OKAY. WHAT DID THEY DO WITH AMERICAN BEACH?

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THE COUNTY GOT THE NASSAU COUNTY GOT GRANTS.

DID THEY DID THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE ANY OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSE WITH HOOKING IN? I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANY OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSE.

I THINK THAT THE IDEA WAS THAT THEY WOULDN'T.

AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON FOR THE GRANT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER THING.

I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD APPLY IN THE CITY, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT AS A BIG PICTURE ITEM.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS WORKING ON ANNEXING AS WE CAN.

I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE LOTS TO DO, BUT YEAH, THERE'S STILL BE POCKETS THAT WILL BE UNINCORPORATED YEARS FROM NOW.

SO IS THERE I SUPPOSE I KNOW THE ANSWER AND IT'S NO.

BUT SO WE THINK ABOUT THIS, WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE IS INTEREST IN DOING THIS, BUT IS THERE ANY WAY TO ANTICIPATE OR IF NOT ANTICIPATE, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, HAVE IN MIND THAT WE ANNEXED PROPERTIES ALL THE TIME AND.

YOU KNOW, ON THE STREET SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEY GAVE THE RATIONALE WHY IT MADE SENSE.

ALL OF THE GOALS THE CITY WOULD REACH IF WE ANNEXED THAT PROPERTY.

AND IT KIND OF STRUCK ME AS A LITTLE WEIRD.

WELL, YOU'RE NOT IN THE SUIT AND YOU'RE GIVING US THESE GOALS AND WE DON'T YOU'RE NOT IN THE CITY YET.

SO, I MEAN, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND HOPE THAT IT WILL APPLY TO PROPERTY THAT'S IN THAT'S ON THE ISLAND THAT IS CONTIGUOUS? HOW DO WE ENFOLD THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION? CAN WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT KNOW PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING ANNEXED IN THE CITY WILL HAVE SOME MINIMUM OR WHATEVER SOME CRITERIA? YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT AN AGREEMENT.

SO YOU'RE EITHER IN THE CITY OR YOU'RE NOT IN THE CITY.

IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE CITY, COMING INTO THE CITY MEANS THAT YOU'RE NOT IN YET, RIGHT? SO, NO, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT.

I'VE TALKED WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT THAT TO FOLLOW THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN ORDER FOR THOSE STANDARDS TO APPLY TO PROPERTY THAT IS NOT YET IN THE CITY.

SO WE CAN'T BUILD THE WALL? NO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING SAYING IS ASKING YOUR NEIGHBOR, CAN I BUILD A WALL? RIGHT. ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COUNTY.

OKAY. AN ORDINANCE FOR US ON HOW WE WANT TO DEAL WITH PROPERTIES WANTING TO IS THEY WANT TO BE IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS CAN WE AS I SAID, WE'LL EVENTUALLY THE CITY LIMITS WILL BE ALL THE WAY TO THE PARKWAY, THE GURBIN ROAD ROUNDABOUT THERE WILL BE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, I BELIEVE, ONE DAY.

AND YOU'RE YOU WOULD SAY NO IS THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE YOU CAN DO IS SAY, AS A CITY RESIDENT, NO, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED. SO WE DON'T WANT THEM IN OUR CITY, BUT THEY'RE STILL HERE.

IT'S AN ISLAND. I MEAN, BRING THEM IN AND GET THEIR TAXES.

I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S OUR CRITERIA.

YOU WANT TO COME INTO THE CITY, THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE TO MEET.

BUT THAT WOULD MEAN YOU SAID IT RIGHT.

THEN YOU'D HAVE CITY IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER.

SO I'M SORRY, YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD A WALL THEN.

MARK WELL, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THERE.

YEAH, BUT THEN I HAVE TO ASK THEM IF I CAN BUILD IT.

WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THEIR TINY HOUSES.

YOU HAVE TO BUILD A WALL. WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF AN EXTREME.

I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME INTO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE AN EXAMPLE, A MINIMUM OF WHAT ARE WE, SIX LOTS TO THE ACRE IS OUR MINIMUM DENSITY.

AND WE WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN LOT SIZES OR CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE NOW WE'RE JUST ON THE RECEIVING END.

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT I MEAN.

THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO DO THIS ANNEXATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S HIT OR MISS WITH THEM, THEY DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF THEY HAD SOME CRITERIA UP FRONT, THEN THEY'D HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS WE'RE PLANNING.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY LONG TERM FUTURE PLANNING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ANNEX PROPERTIES THAT WANT TO BE IN THE CITY.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE ON AN ISLAND, WE'RE ALL SO CLOSE, THEY'RE USING CITY SERVICES AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THEM WITH TAX MONEY.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WE'VE TALKED THIS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, SO I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT.

GROSS OR WHATEVER, IF YOU WANT TO CONTROL THE WAY YOUR TOWN LOOKS AND HOW MANY CARS ARE ON THIS ISLAND THAT LIVE HERE, THEN YOU DO MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THEY HAVE THAT IN OTHER CITIES. YOU SAY THE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR YOUR HOUSE IS 3000FT², PERIOD.

THAT'S IT. NO CONDOS, NO LITTLE HOUSES, NO TOWNHOUSES.

YOU CAN'T SAY A TYPE OF HOUSE WITHIN THE LAW.

SO I'M BEING VERY GENERAL.

BUT YOU CAN PUT DIFFERENT THINGS, DIFFERENT ORDINANCES IN PLACE THAT WOULD SAY THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR SETBACKS ARE 50FT ON THE

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YOU NONE OF THAT, AGAIN, WOULD WORK BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY URBANIZED IN TERMS OF OUR LOT SIZES AND OUR DENSITY.

SO TO GO BACK IN TIME, YOU CAN BACK IN TIME YOU CAN GO AHEAD IN TIME.

BUT WE'LL WE WON'T SEE IT IN EVERYTHING.

IT WILL BE NONCONFORMING AND ONE DAY, 80 YEARS FROM NOW, 100 YEARS FROM NOW, IF YOU SAY FIVE ACRE MINIMUMS, EVERYTHING WILL BE ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES AND THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW CARS HERE.

BUT WE WON'T BE HERE TO SEE IT.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING EXTREMES.

I'M JUST SAYING AND I'M NOT EITHER.

I'M SAYING THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY.

TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, PODS AND SOME OF THESE THINGS.

MR. BENNETT, CAN WE CIRCLE BACK ON MINIMUM ACREAGE STANDARDS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING.

DOES THE BOARD WANT TO EXPLORE ADJUSTING THOSE MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS OR NOT? I'M NOT SURE I. A CONSENSUS? I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AND WHAT THE THERE IS NO PROPOSAL.

IT WOULD BE A TEXT AMENDMENT, WHATEVER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

IT HASN'T BEEN ANALYZED YET.

IT'S JUST UP FOR DISCUSSION IF THE BOARD WANTS TO PRIORITIZE IT OR NOT.

I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT BASED ON THE AVAILABILITY ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S CALENDAR AND SO ON, IF WE CAN DO SOME MORE RESEARCH, HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING AND KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE FOUND.

I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME STEERING CURVES.

YES. AND SOMETHING TO TAKE FORWARD.

AND LET ME JUST FLIP BACK OVER TO SEPTIC TANKS.

THAT'S A HOT TUB. LET'S JUST TELL THEM YES OR NO, OKAY? YES. CAN I GET CONSENSUS, PLEASE? YEAH. SO I THINK YES AS WELL.

OKAY. THAT'S CONSENSUS.

YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME JUST FLIP.

WE SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME WRITING A THING CALLED VISION 2045, AND WE SAID SEPTIC TANKS ARE GOING TO BE DEAD BY 2035. I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME COMPROMISES IF THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT VERSUS WHO'S DOING IT AND WHO'S PAYING FOR IT AND SO FORTH.

WE GOT TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THAT SINGLE OBJECTIVE.

THE OBJECTIVE IS TO GET SEPTIC TANKS OFF THIS ISLAND, AND THERE'S A PRICE TO PAY.

NOTHING IS FREE.

SO I'M NOT SURE WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGE RIGHT NOW.

MAYBE LONG TERM WE CAN HAVE A MORE INTEGRATED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND WE CAN DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS.

BUT I THINK ON THE SHORT TERM, WE JUST KIND OF GOT TO SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE AFTER GETTING RID OF THE SEPTIC TANKS UP HERE IN ALLIGATOR CREEK, CITROEN IS PROBABLY GOT, I'D SAY A DOZEN MAYBE DOWN THERE.

THEY GO INTO EGAN'S CREEK.

SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE WHAT IT IS.

JUST THINK ABOUT SORT OF HOW WE'RE CONTINUING TO SUPPORT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE VISION PLAN.

YEP. OKAY.

VERY GOOD. GOOD COMMENT.

GREAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, DAPHNE.

ALL RIGHT. SO, DAPHNE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO I WILL. AND I WAS JUST GOING TO GET TO THAT.

I WILL PREPARE RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS AND BRING BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT DIFFERENT MINIMUM ACREAGE LOOK LIKE, WHAT THEIR IMPACT IS, AND SOME COMPARISONS.

I'LL TRY TO BRING SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN WHAT'S WORKED FOR THEM JUST FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

AND IF ANY OF US HAVE QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS, WE CAN SEND THOSE TO YOU TOO.

I WILL SAY IF ANYBODY PICKS UP ON SOMETHING, ABSOLUTELY, YOU MIGHT PICK UP SOMETHING JUST THROUGH YOUR NORMAL.

YEAH. NICK YOU COULD SEND SOMETHING OUT THAT TALKS ABOUT ONE ACRE.

I MEAN, YOU DO THIS. YEAH.

I'LL WORK ONE ACRE, TWO ACRES AND WHAT THAT MEANS.

OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE, DAPHNE, THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BRING AS FAR AS THE BOARD BUSINESS IS CONCERNED? OH, NO. NO MORE BOARD BUSINESS.

NO, I DO HAVE SOME ITEMS TO SHARE UNDER STAFF REPORT.

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OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I DO HAVE SOME EXCITING UPDATES FOR EVERYONE.

THE FIRST ONE IS RELATED TO OUR LDC RESTRUCTURING PROJECT AND THAT HOW THAT'S PROGRESSED.

SO WE HAVE TAKEN A SHIFT IN DIRECTION IN TERMS OF HOW WE ARE APPROACHING THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND ALLOCATED FUNDS TO DO AN INTEGRATION WITH THE SOFTWARE MUNICODE, WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTY USES, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE SHIFT IN TERMS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE ONCE WE HAVE OUR CODE UPLOADED.

SO INSTEAD OF PURSUING THIS RESTRUCTURING COMPLETELY THE WAY THAT WE WERE, WE ARE GOING TO UTILIZE MUNI CODE'S EXISTING SOFTWARE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT MUNICODE BY NATURE CATEGORIZES INFORMATION BY SEARCH.

SO THAT IS ALREADY COMPLETED.

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SO WE HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED MUNICODE.

WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ACTUALLY TO GET OUR CODE.

THAT'S OUR LDC AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FULLY INTEGRATED WITH THAT SOFTWARE.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT.

THE OTHER VERY EXCITING THING I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS ANOTHER REASON WE'RE SHIFTING FROM A RESTRUCTURING IS BECAUSE WE ARE PURSUING A FULL REWRITE OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

IT'S NOT BUDGETED IN THIS YEAR.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BUDGETED IN NEXT YEAR.

BUT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NEEDED TO DO FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CODE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006, SO THERE'S LOTS OF ASPECTS THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED WITHIN OUR EXISTING LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HAVING SOME PROFESSIONALS COME IN TO ASSIST WITH THINGS LIKE GRAPHICS, TO ASSIST WITH THINGS LIKE AN ANALYSIS OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH I KNOW MR. BENNETT HAS BEEN. A VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE PROFESSIONALS COME IN AND ASSIST US TO BE ABLE TO DO THE PROPER ANALYSIS AND GET US A CODE THAT IS UP TO DATE AND TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE WANT TO SEE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO MY ASK OF THE BOARD IS TO BE OUR ADVOCATES FOR THIS AND BE THE VOICE THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS KIND OF CHANGE FOR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE IT IS NEEDED AND IT IS GOING TO BE AN EXPENSE.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL BE AN EXPENSE THAT WILL BE WELL PAID FOR AND A GREAT INVESTMENT FOR IMPROVED CUSTOMER SERVICE AND IMPROVED FUNCTIONS FOR US WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS A WHOLE.

SO THOSE ARE TWO VERY EXCITING THINGS.

WE'RE GETTING THAT UPLOADED TO MUNICODE VERY SOON.

I'LL KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED ON THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SUCH A POSITIVE THING.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEARCH EVERYTHING AND GET ALL OF YOUR ITEMS TO POP UP QUICKLY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO ON A PDF DOCUMENT OR CLICK, YOU KNOW, ONE BY ONE THROUGH YOUR LDC AND YOUR COMP PLAN. AND YES, SO THOSE ARE TWO BIG THINGS THERE.

ARE THERE SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WANT US TO DO TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T CALL YOU? ABSOLUTELY. IF YES, TALK TO YOUR COMMISSIONERS, TALK TO AND ADVOCATE FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS.

IF YOU GET QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE KIND OF THINGS, WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO BE AN ADVOCATE ON WHY THIS SORT OF CHANGE, AN OVERHAUL OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS IMPORTANT AND WHY THE INVESTMENT IS WORTH IT.

OKAY. DEFINITELY A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ONE, IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR 23-24, DO YOU NEED NEW MONEY OR CAN THAT WAIT TILL THE 24-25? I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE OF A 24-25.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE UPCOMING.

THE REASON WE NEED TO SET THE STAGE NOW AND KIND OF LOOK AND LOOKING MORE OR LESS OVER THE EDGE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'S BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THIS UPCOMING BUDGET IS PRETTY TIGHT.

IT IS. AND I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT TO DO THE WHOLE REWRITE.

THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE IN OUR UPCOMING BUDGET.

I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.

THIS WILL BE A VERY I DIDN'T MENTION THIS, BUT THIS WOULD BE A VERY LARGE SCALE PROJECT OVER THE COURSE OF TWO, MAYBE EVEN THREE YEARS.

SO IT'S A MASSIVE OVERHAUL BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING OUR ENTIRE DOCUMENT AND CHANGING IT.

AND IT'S A HUGE DOCUMENT.

SO IT'S NOT A SIMPLE, SIMPLE CHANGE.

THERE'S AT LEAST A LITTLE SENSE OF MAYBE CHANGING THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND GO TO A TWO YEAR BUDGET.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVER GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST 1 OR 2 OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE THINKING MAYBE YOU GOT TO START DOING THAT.

IT'S MORE OF WHAT YOU SEE IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

YOU LOOK TO YOUR WINDOW.

WELL, THAT WOULD HELP US IN TERMS OF BECAUSE EVEN IF WE DID THE 2425, IT MIGHT STILL BE A ROLLOVER INTO THE THIRD YEAR AFTER THAT ONE.

SO YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO THINK OF IT.

IT'S OKAY. SO YOU WANT SOME DRUM BEATING IN THE SENSE OF IT'S ON THE HORIZON? ABSOLUTELY. SO THE THING I THINK I WOULD ASK IS WE NEED TO GET IT'S AN ARTIFICIAL PLAN, BUT AT LEAST A PLAN SAY THIS IS HOW IT CAN BE DONE.

AND THIS IS ONE WE WOULD NEED THAT FUNDING.

CORRECT. LOOKING OUT IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE NEED THAT TOOL AND GET EVERYBODY'S WORKING OUT OF THE SAME BOOK.

ABSOLUTELY. I AGREE WITH YOU, DAPHNE.

I THINK YOU MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS MAYBE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY CONCERNS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE RESTRUCTURING, REWRITE OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MUNI THAT THIS IS NOT SAYING WE ARE CHANGING ANY OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES OR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE ALREADY THE APPROVED PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

THIS IS NOT THIS IS STRICTLY USING WHAT IS EXISTING, WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT WE LIVE WITH ALREADY, BUT BASICALLY IN THE PRINT

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SO I THINK UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHANGING EXCEPT JUST HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW YOU ACCESS IT. SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS.

THE THING THAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WILL BE NO CHANGE AT ALL EXISTING LDC EXACTLY THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, UPLOADED INTO MUNICODE, NO CHANGE. AND IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY CHANGES, IT WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH THE PROPER PROCESS WITH A PAB, WITH ADVERTISING, WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AS A TEXT AMENDMENTS, NOTHING WILL BE CHANGED AS A PART OF IT. THEY'RE JUST UPLOADING DOCUMENTS AND TEXT.

THAT'S IT. THE SECOND THING IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS ENTIRELY.

IT WOULD BE A FULL REWRITE WHERE IT WOULD BE CHANGED AND THAT WOULD INVOLVE YOU ALL.

THAT WOULD INVOLVE. COMMUNITY WHO WOULD ASSIST US WITH THAT REWRITE.

WE WOULD HAVE WORKSHOPS, WE WOULD HAVE COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN A FULL REWRITE, AND IT WOULD STILL FOLLOW THAT PROCESS OF FOR CHANGING THAT CODE.

THERE WILL BE A CHANGE ASSOCIATED, BUT IT WILL NOT BE WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCESS AND INVOLVING OUR BOARDS AND OUR COMMUNITY.

GOOD. THANK YOU. CAN I ADD QUESTIONS? JUST ONE THING, DAPHNE.

IF WE DO GET FUNDING FOR THE REWRITE, CAN WE TRY TO REPEAL SOME RULES? MAYBE THAT INSTEAD OF JUST WRITING LAYERING NEW PROCESSES ON MAYBE LOOK TO REPEAL SOME RULES THAT AREN'T WORKING, WE ARE GOING TO ANALYZE AS A PART OF THIS FULL REWRITE. WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE EVERYTHING IN OUR CODE.

I MEAN, WE IT NEEDS THE ENTIRE THING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.

MY GOAL IS TO UPDATE IT IN A WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THESE MONTHLY TEXT AMENDMENTS.

TO ME, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT, THE AMOUNT OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS BOARD IS AN INDICATION THAT PERHAPS WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT OUR OUR CODE HOLISTICALLY AND DO A MASSIVE CHANGE.

THAT SHOWS ME THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MAJOR UPDATES THAT NEED TO OCCUR GIVEN ALL OF THE THOSE CHANGES.

SO. OKAY.

AND WE DO HAVE I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME WORK THAT THE CONSERVANCY URGENCY CONSERVANCY HAS ALREADY DONE ON LOOKING AT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ON THE COMP PLAN. SO WE'VE GOT SOME BASELINE AND SOME COMMUNITY INPUT THAT HAVE BEEN REFRESHED OVER TIME.

GIVES US ANOTHER SET OF EYES OR MANY EYES LOOKING AT IT.

SO WE'LL NEED ALL THE EYES AND EARS THAT WE CAN GENERATE FOR THIS NEXT STEP ONCE WE START THAT PROCESS.

WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD START THOUGH, THAT WOULD BE A NEXT YEAR TO BE ANYTHING? THIS YEAR? I WOULD SAY 2024, WE CAN START REALLY GETTING A PLAN PUT TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER SUPPORT WITH THAT.

OKAY, VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS ANYONE LIKE ONE MORE THING, MISS ROBAS? YES, I'M SORRY.

I DO WANT TO LET THE BOARD KNOW ABOUT A PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETING ON AUGUST 30TH FROM 5 TO 7 P.M.

AT OUR REC CENTER.

THIS IS FOR OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND.

CURRENTLY ARE HALF ASSOCIATES ARE WORKING ON A INFO SHEET TO DISTRIBUTE.

ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFO SHEET, THEN WE WILL DISTRIBUTE THAT OUT TO OUR BOARDS AND MAKE THAT ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.

SO WHAT TIME IS IT? THAT WILL BE FROM 5 TO 7 P.M.

AT THE REC CENTER.

THEY'LL BE MAKING A FLIER.

SO WE'LL GET THAT FLIER OUT WHEN? WHEN THAT'S PUT TOGETHER.

OKAY, GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. THAT'S EVERYTHING. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT.

ITEM EIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT.

[8. PUBLIC COMMENT]

SWEET. MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377, PLANTATION POINT DRIVE. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CONSERVE NASSAU.

LET ME REMIND EVERYONE THAT THOSE THINGS RELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ALL OF THAT WORK WE DID ON THAT IS NOW WITH CONSERVE NASSAU.

THAT IS NO LONGER WITH THE TREE CONSERVANCY, THAT IS WITH CONSERVE NASSAU.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE EFFORT TO UPDATE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND GET THAT IN PERHAPS A BETTER FORMAT ONTO MUNICODE. I THINK THE PRIMARY GOAL IN OUR UPDATES, I MEAN, WE WANT THINGS TO BE MORE EFFICIENT,

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AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE PUSHING THAT OR KICKING THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THAT IS REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE BE WORKING ON THAT.

SO WE WILL HAVE SOME NEW STUFF COMING UP ON THAT SOON.

I WANTED TO SAY THAT IN TERMS OF INCORPORATION OF COUNTY PARCELS, I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL.

OKAY. THE CITY HAS INCORPORATED A NUMBER OF PARCELS, DEVELOPMENTS THAT IN MY PERCEPTION ARE GOING TO BE COSTLY DOWN THE ROAD.

OKAY. FOR THE CITY.

I MEAN, MAYBE THEY WILL BE PRIMARILY COSTLY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THE COST THERE WILL BE COSTS FOR THE CITY AS WELL.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO NAME NAMES, BUT I THINK THE CITY DOES NEED TO BE CAREFUL IN LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD AT WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE CAN EASILY PREDICT WILL BE COMING UP WITH THOSE PARCELS BEFORE WE DECIDE TO TAKE THEM ON.

SO I AGREE WITH MARK AND HIS CAUTION ON THAT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THIS IS A QUESTION AND NOT REALLY A COMMENT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE ONE PARCEL OR A NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT COME INTO THE CITY ARE ANNEXED AND THEY ARE SWITCHING FROM SEPTIC TO CITY SERVICES, IF THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS WITH THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LORI REFERRED TO IT AS SEEPAGE.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A FISH KILL AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT SEPTIC GOING ALL OVER SOMEBODY'S YARD, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT. AND WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE THAT HAS TO BE GONE THROUGH IN TERMS OF ASSESSING THE IMPACT AND CORRECTING THE IMPACT OF THOSE THINGS? IS THERE SOMETHING STANDARD THAT WE HAVE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I SHOULD BE ASKING, ANDRE? YES, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THE PERSON THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH WOULD BE ANDRE DESJARLAIS, OUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR.

HE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

SO I WILL ASK THAT QUESTION.

BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE ASSESSING PARCELS, NOT JUST YOU GUYS, BUT ALSO THE COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE IMPACTFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORS AND COSTLY FOR THE NEIGHBORS COULD ALSO BE IMPACTFUL TO THE CITY.

SO THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. I'D BE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU FIND OUT FROM ANDRE.

OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE YEAH, I AGREE TO ME IS YOU HOOK UP TO A CITY SEWER SYSTEM, YOU OUGHT TO BE DEMOING EVERYTHING THAT WAS LEFT THERE BECAUSE OVER TIME, IT'S JUST NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET BETTER WITH TIME.

THEY JUST SHUT IT OFF.

OR MAYBE THEY ABANDONED IT.

THEY USUALLY ABANDONED PROCESS FOR THAT.

WELL, THERE NEEDS TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL CHECK OUT.

THE TANKS FILLED THE DRAIN FIELD.

YEAH, YEAH. OKAY.

SO THEY GET ALONG WITHOUT OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL.

BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO THAT.

AND WE DO NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WITH THINGS GETTING HOTTER AND OTHER TYPES OF CHANGES IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND SEA LEVEL RISE AND SO ON, YOU KNOW, WE ALL DON'T WANT TO BE SWIMMING IN TRAFFIC ALL THE TIME.

SO THANK YOU, MARGARET.

VERY GOOD POINTS.

GOOD POINTS. I'M JUST A PART OF MARK NICK'S COMMENT ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE OLD SEPTIC SYSTEMS? THEY JUST SIT THERE AND ROT.

NO, THEY TAKE THEM OUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RECOVER THAT LAND TO BE ABLE TO USE IT SO THEY GET RID OF THE DRAIN FIELD AND THEY GET RID OF THE SEPTIC TANK.

OKAY, GOOD POINT.

OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S PUTTING VALUE ADD BACK INTO THE LAND ITSELF.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD.

WE REQUIRE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HEARING?

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I CALL THAT. WE WERE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.