[1. CALL TO ORDER ]
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I LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING FOR PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST THE 4TH, 2023.
WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE?
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES JULY 23RD, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES.MAY I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SECOND, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
WAS THERE ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK? AT THIS TIME. I JUST HAVE ONE PERSON I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TONIGHT.
SHE IS THE NEWEST MEMBER FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.
[6.1 Bosque Bello Cemetery Fencing Project - Seeking consensus ]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, BOSQUE BELLO CEMETERY FENCING PROJECT, SINKING CONSENTS.CATHERINE VORRASI PARKS RECREATION DIRECTOR FOR THE RECORD.
SO HERE IS THE CEMETERY FENCING PROJECT BEFORE YOU AGAIN TONIGHT.
WANTED TO GO OVER. I HAVE SOME CHANGES.
THIS TIME WE'RE USING AN ACTUAL SURVEY MAP AND I EDITED IT THROUGH THROUGH CANVA ONLINE.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH.
THERE'S THERE THERE'S THREE CONCEPTS WE HAVE OPTION ONE, OPTION TWO, AND WE HAVE THE SERVICE ROAD CONCEPT AS WELL THAT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PRESENT TO YOU AND MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
WHAT IF WE JUST HAD TWO GATES? THAT IS THIS OPTION.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN.
IF GETS UP BEHIND ME, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THIS ONE HERE IN FRONT OF ME.
THE YELLOW LINE DENOTES THE FENCE.
IT WRAPS AROUND AND AND ENDS AT HOLLY.
I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING.
IT'S AT HOLLY RIGHT NOW CITY STAFF ALONG.
WE'RE ALL GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST PLACE FOR THAT NORTH GATE.
IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE AT HOLLY OR AT PINE.
WE ARE DOING GROUND PENETRATING RADAR NOW.
SO THE DECORATIVE GATE ON THE NORTH END IS EITHER GOING TO END AT HOLLY WITH THE FENCE, GOING TO THE TREE LINE OR IT'S GOING TO END AT PINE WITH THE FENCE GOING TO THE TREE LINE.
THE CITY IS GOING TO DECIDE THAT BASED ON WHAT'S THERE ON SITE.
THAT'S JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO THE WHERE YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE YOUR SERVICE AREA, THERE'S A SHED, I THINK THERE.
YES. THAT'S SO DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED, BUT THAT'S BEYOND WHERE THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE GATE, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT. SO THE SHED IS EITHER GOING TO BE INSIDE THE GATE OR OUTSIDE THE GATE.
SO IT'S LIKE IN THIS LITTLE AREA BEHIND THE YELLOW, IT'S IN B ONE.
OKAY. KATIE, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT OR SCROLL UP? YEAH, YEAH.
CAN YOU BRING IT DOWN SO I CAN REACH IT? YEAH. THE OTHER WAY.
THERE YOU GO. SO RIGHT HERE, KIND OF IN THIS AREA.
WELL, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT ABOVE HERE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THE GATE.
IF IT'S HERE, IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.
SO THE CITY IS GOING TO WORK ON THAT.
SO WITH THIS CONCEPT, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE, THE ORANGE DECORATIVE BOLLARDS THAT I HAVE OUTLINED ON THE PICTURE THERE AT HOLLY, PINE, OAK, CEDAR, COOPER AND THEN AT NASSAU STREET, THEY'D ALL BE BLOCKED OFF WITH BOLLARDS ON THE INSIDE AND WITH FENCE
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WITH A FENCE ON 14TH STREET.SO THERE WOULD BE DECORATIVE GATE AT BOSQUE BELLO AND A DECORATIVE GATE ON MAGNOLIA.
THE CITY IS NOT RECOMMENDING THIS OPTION FOR ACCESS REASONS.
THE BOLLARDS NEED TO BE RIGHT HERE.
SO THAT'S TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DRIVING DOWN THOSE ROADS.
THIS OPTION PREVENTS VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ON THESE ROADS INSIDE THE CEMETERY.
THIS IS NOT THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED OPTION.
SO IF WE CAN GO TO OPTION TWO, VERY SIMILAR.
THE YELLOW LINE DENOTES THE FENCE.
THE DECORATIVE GATE AGAIN IS AT HOLLY OR PINE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CITY FINDS.
THE OTHER DECORATIVE GATE IS AT BOSQUE BELLO.
THIS CHANGES AND PUTS A GATE AT PINE, CEDAR AND NASSAU STREET.
SO IF YOU GO FROM THE NORTH, HOLLY IS BLOCKED.
AND THEN NASSAU STREET IS OPEN.
SO THE OTHER ONES, HOLLY OAK AND COOPER, THEY HAVE THE DECORATIVE BOLLARDS ON THE INSIDE OF THE CEMETERY, AND THERE THEY HAVE THE FENCE ON THE 14TH STREET SIDE. SO THOSE ARE BLOCKED FROM VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
SO THIS IS THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED LAYOUT AND OPTION.
YEAH. SO IF YOU SEE ON THE MAP, THERE'S GREEN ARROWS WITH EITHER SIDE.
THOSE MEAN YOU CAN TRAVERSE THERE WITH A VEHICLE ON PINE CEDAR AND NASSAU STREET.
YOU CAN STILL WALK THERE, BUT VEHICLES WON'T BE ALLOWED TO BE THERE.
I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE FENCE HEIGHT DRAWING AWAY ON THAT.
BUT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH KIND OF THE REASONING FOR THAT SINCE WE LAST MET.
IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE OPENINGS FOR THE FENCE OR THE OPENINGS TO GET INTO THE CEMETERY OFF OF 14TH ARE EQUALLY SPACED IN MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDED LAYOUT AS THE LAST THAT I PRESENTED LAST MONTH, I HAD GATES AT PINE OAK AND CEDAR.
IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE ELIMINATE OAK, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO I CHANGED MY ORIGINAL RECOMMENDED LAYOUT.
AND SO THAT WAS WHY THESE STREETS WERE PRESENTED AS HAVING THE STANDARD GATE.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF THINGS IN THIS PRESENTATION.
THEN WE CAN OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS IN A LITTLE BIT TOO, IF YOU'D LIKE.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE SERVICE ROAD CONCEPT MAP THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING BY MR. ERIC BARTEIT, WHO IS HERE.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER ON YOUR DRAWING.
SO BASICALLY ON THIS, THERE ARE NO STANDARD GATES, JUST THE TWO DECORATIVE GATES, THE SAME AS WHAT I'M PROPOSING FOR BOSQUE BELLO AND MAGNOLIA, WHERE YOU SEE THE RED IS THE SERVICE ROAD CONCEPT, WHICH THE SERVICE ROAD WOULD BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE.
IT JUST DOESN'T WORK IN THE CITY'S MIND THAT IT WORKS HERE.
IS THERE ROOM? YES. TECHNICALLY, YES.
IS THERE ANY LEEWAY IN THAT ROOM? WE DON'T FEEL THE CITY ENGINEER DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY.
THE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT RECOMMEND THIS.
THE CONCEPT IS GREAT, BUT WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT WORKS HERE.
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I WANT TO BRING UP A COUPLE THINGS BEFORE YOU OPEN IT UP.I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
WE LOOKED AT FIVE FOOT VERSUS SIX FOOT.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FIVE FOOT AND A SIX FOOT FENCE IS ABOUT $3,000.
IT'S ABOUT $1.83, A LINEAR FOOT.
AND THEN THE CHANGE IN THE THE GATE HEIGHT, I WOULD IT WOULD BE ABOUT A $3,000 DIFFERENCE.
WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NORTH DECORATIVE GATE.
IT'S GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE.
THERE IS FUNDING FOR THIS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE ARE GOING TO USE THE PARKS AND RECREATION GENERAL PARK IMPROVEMENT ACCOUNT FOR THIS.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME TALK ABOUT USING THE PERPETUAL CARE ACCOUNT FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET.
THAT IS, WE WILL NOT BE RECOMMENDING USE OF THE PERPETUAL CARE ACCOUNT.
WE ARE GOING TO USE THE GENERAL PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE AUGUST 15TH CITY COMMISSION MEETING, WHERE THEY WILL THEY WILL THEY WILL GIVE THEIR FINAL APPROVAL ON THE FENCE.
I THINK I MENTIONED SOME OF THIS THE LAST TIME WE MET, SOME OF THESE MEETINGS I'VE HAD SINCE WE MET AT OUR LAST MEETING ON JULY 10TH, I HAD A ZOOM CALL WITH THE FRIENDS OF BOSS FELLOW GROUP.
WE SENT EMAILS TO THEM ON THE 10TH RECAPPING THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT.
I SENT HIM AN EMAIL ON JULY 19TH WITH THESE UPDATED DRAWINGS AND PLANS AND THEN I SENT HIM ANOTHER EMAIL ON THE 25TH TELLING THEM ABOUT THE DATE CHANGE FOR THIS MEETING BECAUSE WE WERE ALL EXPECTING TO BE ON THE EIGHTH.
I DO HAVE EMAIL RESPONSES FROM MEMBERS OF THE FRIENDS GROUP THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE FENCE PROJECT IN TOTAL, SPECIFICALLY OPTION TWO, AND THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF A SIX FOOT FENCE HEIGHT.
THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF OPTION TWO.
THEY MADE MENTION OF THE FENCE BEING AT A SIX FOOT HEIGHT.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT. AND THEY ALSO SUGGESTED AND ASKED THAT I MEET WITH SOMEONE FROM THE OXLEY-HEARD FUNERAL HOME, AND SO ON THE 28TH OF JULY, SCOTT AND I MET WITH KYLE ATKINS, WHO'S HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU. AND THEY WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE ALL THE PROJECTS OR ALL THE OPTIONS WITH THEM WITH KYLE.
AND THEY ARE IN SUPPORT OF OPTION TWO AND MADE MENTION OF A SIX FOOT HEIGHT.
AND HE MAY HE MAY SPEAK TONIGHT.
SO THAT IS THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE.
I KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE BOLLARDS GOING DOWN.
COOPER CEDAR, OAK, PINE AND HOLLY, THERE WOULD BE ACCESS AS IT'S THE MATURE PART OF THE CEMETERY WHERE THERE'LL BE NO NEW GRAVESITES OR WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO GET TRUCKS DOWN THERE TO DIG A NEW GRAVE? I MEAN, THE THE BOLLARDS COME OUT AND THEY'LL BE.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING WITH KYLE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT REMOVABLE BOLLARDS FOR THE HEARSE IF NECESSARY.
YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
BECAUSE THE DEFINITELY LIKE THIS OPTION TO MUCH BETTER.
AND AFTER THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, I WENT OUT AND DROVE IT MYSELF.
AND I HAVE A BIGGER CAR THESE DAYS AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
I INITIALLY WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST MONTH, I WAS INTERESTED IN THE SERVICE ROAD OPTION, BUT I COULD SEE THERE ARE CERTAIN MONUMENTS OUT THERE THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM OUT THERE, THERE'S TOO MUCH OPPORTUNITY.
I FELT LIKE THAT SOME REAL DAMAGE COULD BE DONE.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME.
I ALSO WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO CLARIFY.
I THINK I SAID YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION.
I SAID SOMETHING LAST MONTH THAT I WHETHER I SAID IT WRONG OR YOU HEARD IT IN A WAY THAT I DID NOT INTEND, I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I WAS NOT TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT CATHERINE IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SHADY.
SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT AND I DO.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE A GOOD SOLUTION TO MAKE THE PARCELS AVAILABLE FROM AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO GET TO BY CAR, BUT EASILY PRETTY WALKABLE.
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I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING LAST TIME.IF WE CLOSE THIS AT 6:00, OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM HAVING ACCESS IF THEY NEED TO? I WAS THINKING OF PEOPLE COMING OUT OF TOWN OR, YOU KNOW, AND YOU JUST CAN'T GET THERE AT WHATEVER TIME WE CLOSE.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT FROM FAMILIES? WE THE INTENTION IS TO DUSK TO DAWN.
SO AT NIGHT TIME, WE DON'T FEEL THAT ANYONE WOULD NEED TO BE IN THERE IN THE DARK.
AND NOT TO BELABOR A POINT, BUT I REALLY I DROVE AROUND AND LOOKED AT THE CEMETERY THAT'S ON EIGHTH BEHIND SAINT PETER'S. THAT'S THEY HAVE A THREE FOOT FENCE.
I REALLY I THINK A FOUR FOOT FENCE IS LOW.
AND THAT HIGH OF A FENCE VISUALLY IS JUST TO ME TOO MUCH.
BUT I WILL SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS LAND ON AT THAT POINT.
AND I SUPPORT THIS PROJECT LIKE THIS OPTION TOO.
PLUS AT NASSAU STREET, YOU CAN'T REALLY ACCESS NASSAU STREET GOING BACK DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S JUST TOO HIGH, ELEVATED ABOVE THE OTHER ROAD.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ERIC'S MR. BARTEIT'S PLAN AND LOOK AT WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT JUST DOING THE LITTLE TURNAROUND FROM ONE STREET TO THE NEXT, THOSE WERE EASILY NAVIGABLE TO ME.
I DIDN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL.
YOU'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE A GATE AT NASSAU STREET AND THEN THE MAIN GATE, I GUESS THE HOLLY GATE.
THE OTHER THING THOUGH, IS THAT I USED TO DEVELOP SELF STORAGE PROPERTIES.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE GATES, SOMEBODY'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE LEFT IN THERE.
WHEN THE GATES CUT OFF AT NIGHT, THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY IN THERE THAT YOU CAN'T FIND.
PEOPLE GET IN AND OUT OF THOSE GATE, PARTICULARLY OUT, IF THEY'RE TRAPPED IN THERE.
SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK AT.
YEAH, JUST THAT ONE GATE AT THE OTHER END OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S A GOOD POINT. ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS? MAYBE ON THAT HOLLY GATE, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT OUT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD BE LIKE A MOTORIZED GATE OR SOMETHING THAT IS ABLE EASILY TO BE MOVED BY YOUR GUYS, LIKE ROLLING UP WITH A CLICKER OR SOMETHING THAT REMOTE SOMETHING OR MIGHT BE USEFUL JUST GETTING Y'ALL'S EQUIPMENT IN BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S WHERE WHEN THINGS HAPPEN OUT THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE EQUIPMENT IS COMING FROM MOSTLY THAT AREA.
THE CEMETERY IS MAINTAINED BY A CONTRACTOR.
OH, OKAY. SO BUT NEVER MIND THAT.
YEAH. I MEAN, ELECTRONIC GATES OR MECHANICAL GATES ARE DEFINITELY EASIER.
THERE NOT IN THIS QUOTE, THOUGH.
SO IT WOULD BE MORE IT WOULD BE MORE.
PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU CATHERINE, APPRECIATE IT.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO HAVE ANYBODY FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS.
DOES ANYBODY WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? PLEASE? PLEASE.
YES, PLEASE. I KNOW WHEN CATHERINE AND SCOTT CAME, WOULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME? YES. MY NAME IS KYLE ADKINS.
I'M THE MANAGING FUNERAL DIRECTOR AT OXLEY-HEARD.
THANK YOU. OKAY. WHEN CATHERINE AND SCOTT CAME AND SPOKE TO ME AND THEY PRESENTED THE OPTIONS, AS SHE SAID, WE REALLY SAW OPTION TWO AS BEING THE MOST VIABLE TO ACCOMPLISH.
I THINK WHAT MAYBE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS PLAN.
ONE THING ABOUT AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND MENTION ABOUT THE GATE HEIGHTS, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR, BUT THERE'S BEEN A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF VANDALISM IN THE CEMETERY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
ME AND ME AND MY OLD FOLKS, I COULD GET OVER A FOUR FOOT FENCE.
NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S GOING TO STOP EVERYONE.
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THING HAS BEEN REALLY AN ISSUE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.WITH REGARD TO THE CLOSING OF EVERY OTHER GATE, I THINK THAT'S A VERY WORKABLE SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK ABOUT THINGS FROM OUR PRACTICAL SENSE OF HAVING TO GET EQUIPMENT IN, HAVING TO GET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, PALLBEARERS ARE GOING TO BE CARRYING 250 OR 300 POUNDS AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD SOME DISTANCE TO HOW FAR THEY HAVE TO CARRY. WE DISCUSSED SOME THINGS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
BUT AS I SAID, I YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY FEEL LIKE THE OPTION TWO IS THE MOST VIABLE.
BUT BUT I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A FENCE, PUT A FENCE THAT IS GOING TO BE A DETERRENT FOR SOMEONE THAT MIGHT BE GOING INTO THE CEMETERY TO DO SOMETHING MALICIOUS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS AND JUST TO TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE WORD SECURITY, BECAUSE, YES, ANY FENCE THAT WE PUT THERE IS A DETERRENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT FULLY CLOSED.
SO. RIGHT. I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR OUR COVERAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT ONCE WE PUT THIS FENCE UP FOUR FOOT, FIVE FOOT, SIX FOOT, THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, IT'S A DETERRENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE'RE USING THAT LANGUAGE.
AND AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT A FOUR FOOT FENCE.
AND I DON'T THINK FOUR IS THE ANSWER.
AND I WILL MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT MYSELF PERSONALLY.
I SPENT A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE I WENT IN TO FUNERAL SERVICE.
I SPENT A NUMBER OF YEARS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
MOST OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE ACTS OF OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, AND AS I SAY, THAT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, AN ABSOLUTE ANSWER TO ANY OF THAT.
BUT IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, BIG DIFFERENCE IN THAT TWO FEET, ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE POINTED THE PRESS POINT TIPS ON TOP.
SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU COMING.
YES, SIR. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE MADE AT THIS TIME? PUBLIC COMMENTS CLOSED.
DO WE NEED ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ON THE FENCING? FROM THE BOARD.
CAN WE MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THE THE GATES AND THEN A SEPARATE MOTION FOR THE FENCE HEIGHT? ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT ALL IN ONE MOTION? I THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WAY.
BUT I BELIEVE THE BEST WAY TO PUT THIS SO IT CAN GO ON THE AGENDA IS LET US GO WITH THE IDEA OF OPTION TWO, WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD AND EVERYBODY HERE SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM A FULL PACKAGE.
. WELL, I JUST I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
GO AHEAD. CATHERINE WAS ANY NUMBER PUT TO THE ACTUAL COST SAVINGS OF JUST GOING WITH TWO GATES AS OPPOSED TO FOUR? OR WAS IT TAKING OUT TAKING OUT THE PINE AND THE CEDAR GATES? SO EACH GATE IS ABOUT $1,953.
YEAH. SO THE ORIGINAL QUOTE INCLUDES FOUR GATES.
SO JUST THINK OF EACH GATE BEING $2,000.
I THINK YOU LOSE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IF THAT GATE IS GONE, BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO YOU'D BE FORCED TO TURN AROUND IF YOU DROVE DOWN THAT ROAD. SO THE GATE IS SO THAT YOU CAN GET OUT.
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AND WHERE WAS THE OTHER GATE YOU WANTED TO REMOVE? WAS ON CEDAR.HE WAS AT THE GATE WAS AT CEDAR AND THERE WAS A GATE AT PINE, PINE AND CEDAR.
SO IF YOU REMOVE THAT, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THAT GATE, THEN YOU CAN ONLY ACCESS THAT ROAD FROM THIS WAY AND YOU WOULD BE FORCED TO EITHER BACK UP OR TURN AROUND..
UNLESS YOU HAD THAT SERVICE ROAD, WHICH WHICH I THINK IS POSSIBLE BETWEEN THE STREETS OF HOLLY AND PINE AND OAK AND CEDAR, CERTAINLY, AND EVEN BETWEEN COOPER AND BOSQUE BELLO.
BUT YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE SERVICE ROAD? I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THE SERVICE ROADS.
WHEN I DROVE IT OUT THERE, I WANT TO SAY IT'S AT HOLLY OR PINE, BUT THERE'S A MONUMENT OUT THERE THAT'S SO CLOSE TO BETWEEN THE TREE THAT'S THERE.
AND IT'S A I GUESS IT'S GRANITE, WHATEVER KIND OF STONE IT IS.
IT'S A PERIMETER OF THAT GRAVE SITE.
I SAW THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ON CEDAR.
AND THAT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS FURTHER UP NEAR PINE.
BUT IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO LIKE YOU WOULD NOT.
I COULD SEE THAT GETTING DAMAGED ON THE REGULAR.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLACE, YOU WOULDN'T TURN BY THAT AT ALL.
WELL, IF YOU WERE ACCESSING THE SERVICE ROAD PIECE, LIKE IF THERE WERE A SERVICE ROAD THERE.
BUT THE SERVICE ROAD WOULD GO FROM BETWEEN OAK AND CEDAR, NOT CEDAR AND COOPER.
I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM. THAT'S WHY I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THIS SERVICE ROAD CONCEPT.
AND YOU HAD THAT LITTLE MONUMENT ON THE CORNER.
YES. THAT WAS A DIFFERENT YOU COULD DO IT.
YOU JUST MAKE THAT CORNER AND GO, KEEP GOING, BACK UP, GO DOWN CEDAR.
IF YOU HAD A TROLLEY OR SOMETHING AND YOU'RE TRYING TO.
WELL, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN ISSUE.
I THOUGHT ABOUT A LARGE TRUCK, BUT.
BUT I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WITH THIS SECOND OPTION THAT'S PRESENTED, YOU'VE GOT A ROAD.
SO IF YOU'RE A PERSON WHO IS UNABLE TO WALK VERY FAR, YOU'VE GOT A ROAD TO GET TO BOTH PARCELS ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD AND YOU HAVE IT EVERY OTHER ONE.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS ROAD ACCESS TO EACH AREA.
UM, THEY'RE REALLY NOT, I DROVE IT AS WELL.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT SUPER FAR APART, THE ROADS I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE.
WELL, I THINK I STILL THINK OPTION TWO IS VIABLE.
WHAT IS THAT? TWO TWO GATES, WE WOULD SAY FROM THE ORIGINAL.
AND YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE ONE ON NASSAU GATE AND UP THERE, HOLLY COMING IN.
YOU HAVE TO SAVE TWO GATES, WHICH IS $4,000.
SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT WORTH THE TIME TO BE THE SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE.
OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR EITHER OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO OR BY MR. BARTLEIT.
MAKE SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION ONE OF THOSE THREE.
DO DO I NOW MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT OPTION ONE, TWO OR THE THIRD ONE? I MEAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION OF OPTION TWO.
I APPRECIATE THAT. YES, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.
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ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL FOR THE VOTE.[7. STAFF COMMENTS ]
STAFF COMMENTS.JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THE FENCING PROJECT AT THE VETERANS MEMORIAL IS COMPLETED.
WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON PUTTING SOD, EXTRA SOD AND CHANGE THE IRRIGATION LAYOUT OUT THERE.
THEY'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND THE BASEBALL FIELDS.
YOU SHOULD SEE THEY'RE DOING SUBSTANTIAL WORK OUT THERE.
IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS THEY'LL BE DONE WITH EVERYTHING AT CENTRAL PARK.
THEN THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE SKATE PARK AND THE SPORT COURT AT MAIN BEACH.
ALSO STARTING NEXT WEEK, OUR IMPROVEMENTS TO BEACH ACCESS 24, WE'RE GOING TO BE REPLACING THE TOP RAILS AND THE THE DECKING AND ALSO RECONFIGURING THE ENTRANCE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU GO UP THE ENTRANCE, THERE'S KIND OF A SLANT ON THE RAMP.
WE ARE LOOKING AT ANOTHER BEACH ACCESS.
IF WE HAVE OPERATING DOLLARS TO GET THAT DONE.
AND THEN THE SEASIDE BOARDWALK IS GOING TO BE COMING UP SOON, TOO, TO BE REPLACED.
OTHER THAN THAT, THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE, YOU SAW THOSE FEES MAY 9TH AT YOUR MEETING.
IT'S GOING TO COMMISSION THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST.
I THINK THAT'S THE 15TH OF AUGUST.
SO THE MASTER FEE SCHEDULE IS ALL THE FEES, INCLUDING PARKS AND REC.
THAT'S ALL I HAD. DID WE GET MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT.
DID THE THE PROPERTY, THE LITTLE PARCEL AT THE SKATE PARK THAT WAS ALL ANNEXED IN? YES. THAT'S SO THAT'S ALL PART OF IT.
AND THE WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS GOING OUT THERE, THE FENCING OR WHATEVER, WILL THAT BE AROUND THAT AREA OR? SO THE THE FENCING AT THE SKATE PARK.
OH, NO, IT WON'T BE AROUND THE, THE PROPERTY THAT WE DESIGNATED FOR FUTURE EXPANSION.
IT'S JUST WHERE THE FENCE IS NOW.
THEY'RE GOING TO IT'S NOT ATTACHED CORRECTLY AND IT'S FALLING APART.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO ATTACH IT.
RIGHT. AND NEW FENCE AND THEN ACTUALLY THE STRUCTURES FOR THE SKATE PARK RAMPS, THAT'S THE RFP.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. NUMBER EIGHT BOARD MEMBERS COMMENTS.
[8. BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS ]
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS? I'M GLAD THAT WE ALL CAME TO A DECISION WITH THE BOSQUE BELLO.IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME IT WAS JUST AMAZING TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THAT CEMETERY AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A DECISION ON THIS WAS VITAL BECAUSE I SAW A LITTLE GRAVESITE FROM A YOUNG GIRL WHO WAS 15 MONTHS OLD, AND IT KIND OF STUCK IN MY HEAD.
THIS GRAVE THAT WAS JUST RIGHT BY MY TIRE.
SHE DIED ON AUGUST 26TH, 1875, AND SHE WAS 15 MONTHS OLD.
AND I JUST COULD NOT GET OVER HOW CLOSE IT WAS TO MY TIRE.
AND I JUST FELT THAT CARS SHOULDN'T BE THAT CLOSE TO A LITTLE BABY GIRL.
YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T WANT IT IF IT WAS MY CHILD.
AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE ALL ABLE TO COME UP TO A DECISION ON THE FENCE, BECAUSE IT REALLY STIRRED ME JUST DRIVING UP IN THERE AND US NOT HAVING A FENCE THERE AT ALL.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD DECISION FOR US AND OUR CITY.
I'M GOOD. I WANTED TO JUST SAY WELCOME, ELISE.
WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING YOU NEXT TIME.
AND WE'LL ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO A BABY MOUNTJOY.
YEAH, AND ALSO, I WANTED TO THANK THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.
MY SON SITS ON THE YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY AND THEY HAD A TEEN NIGHT.
SO FIRST OF ALL, IT'S AWESOME THAT WE PROVIDE A BOARD LIKE THIS FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE.
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AND LARGE GAP IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR THE MIDDLE AGED KIDS AND TEENAGERS.SO THEY WERE OUT AT THE GOLF COURSE AT THE TOP TRACER AND THEY HAD A GOOD TURNOUT EVEN IN A STORM.
MY SON SAID IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD FUN AND I SAW A LOT OF HAPPY KIDS WHEN I WENT TO PICK UP.
SO PARKS AND REC MADE THAT AVAILABLE, AVAILABLE FOR THAT GROUP.
I LIKE TO PUT SOME KUDOS TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD.
I HAPPEN TO ATTEND THEIR LAST MEETING TODAY AND I'VE ASKED THEM TO SPEAK AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY WILL WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS CITY AND TAKE THE TIME TO SERVICE THEIR YOUTH BY PARTICIPATING UP HERE AND GIVING US IDEAS AND HOW WE CAN HELP THEM MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME PROJECTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE OR WOULD LIKE TO HAVE.
AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR THEIR TIME, THEIR ENERGY, AND MOST OF ALL, THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS, BECAUSE THEY REALLY PUT A LOT OF TIME IN WHAT THEY WANT.
AND WE'VE GOT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE THIS IS HOW, THIS IS THE BASIS OF OUR CITY.
THANK YOU. NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PARKS AND REC MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT FOR BEING UNDER SO MUCH PRESSURE.
EVERY WEEK FOR THE LAST TEN WEEKS, THEY HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF HOURS TO ACCOMPLISH A LOT OF GOALS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DID IT SHORT HANDEDLY, BUT THEY WENT OUT THERE AND THEY DID IT.
AND THAT IS A THAT IS TOTALLY ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US THAT ENJOY THAT.
THANK YOU. BECAUSE THEY DESERVE A WELL ROUNDED APPLAUSE FOR THEIR EFFORTS WERE BEING SHORT HANDED.
WELL, I KNOW I VISIT THE PARKS FREQUENTLY.
I HAVE A LITTLE ONE AND I'VE SENT CATHERINE AND SCOTT A FEW THINGS WHEN I'VE BEEN THERE AND NOTICED.
AND MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE FIXED, THE NEXT DAY THEY'VE BEEN LIKE, OH, WE'RE THERE.
AND I WAS LIKE, OKAY. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS REALLY FAST.
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE GOTTEN, THEY'VE GOTTEN THEM ON IT, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT.
AND THAT JUST SHOWS THAT THE LEADERSHIP THEY HAVE PUT AT THE HEAD IS TAKING IT EVERY DAY.
AND AND THESE GUYS ARE GIVING 110% OF THEIR TIME.
UH, THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AND I THINK THIS IS I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING ON THIS MEETING FOR THIS MONTH AND MAKING IT POSSIBLE THAT WE HAD A QUORUM AND THAT WE COULD ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS AND MOVE IT FORWARD FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING.
AND TO ADDRESS ONE OTHER ITEM, I THINK WE AS A BOARD HAVE SHOWN SO MUCH LEADERSHIP IN OUR DECISION MAKING THAT WE ARE MOVING THIS THIS WHEEL CLOSER TO SUCCESS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT.
I REALLY AM. AND I THINK WE'VE TAKEN ON SOME PROJECTS AND WE BROUGHT THEM TO A CONCLUSION.
SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THE NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 12TH, WHICH IS A MONDAY.
IT WILL NOT BE HELD ON TUESDAY THE 13TH.
AND WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NOT ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I DECLARE THIS MEETING OVER.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.