Aug 01, 2023 Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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THIS OFFICIAL MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION TO ORDER. AS ALWAYS, WE WILL START WITH

OUR ROLL CALL. >>MAYOR BEAN: HERE.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: HERE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ALL RIGHT. WE WILL NOW RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED TO US BY VICE-MAYOR DAVID STURGES.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>MAYOR BEAN: PLEASE STAY REMAIN STANDING BY REVEREND WARDELL AVANT.

>>REVEREND WARDELL AVANT: LET US PRAY, WE COME IN THE NAME OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. WE THANK YOU, GOD, FOR THIS DAY AND THANK YOU FOR THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

WE THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY AND ALL THE PROGRESS AND SUCCESS WE HAD THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND WE PRAY FOR THIS COUNCIL SESSION THAT YOU WILL BE WITH US. THAT YOU LEAD AND GUIDE US WITH YOUR WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE HERE WILL BE ACCORDING YOUR WILL IN JESUS'S

NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >>MAYOR BEAN: AMEN.

THANK YOU, REVEREND. EVERYONE MAY BE SEATED.

[4.1 PRESENTATION - NASSAU HUMANE SOCIETY - Nassau Humane Society Representat present the "City Commission Dog of the Month."]

DOG OF THE MORNNTH. COME ON DOWN.

>> THIS IS CHET. HE IS FOUR YEARS OLD AND THE ABSOLUTE SWEETEST DOG EVER. HE IS GOOD WITH KIDS, OTHER DOGS, WITH CATS. HE CAN RIDE IN A CAR.

SEEMS TO BE HOUSEBROKEN. HE WAS FOUND DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE IN FERNANDINA, DOWNTOWN, WE ARE TOLD.

THAT'S IT. HE HAS BEEN GREAT AT THE SHELTER. HE CAME US TO AND HE WAS VERY UPSET AND TIMID AND HE GO THE TO HANG OUT IN THE OFFICE.

AND NOW HE HAS A KENNEL UP FRONT SO HE GETS TO SEE US ALL THE TIME. SO IF YOU WANT TO MEET HIM OR ANY OF HIS FRIENDS, COME SEE US AT 639 AIRPORT ROAD RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE AIRPORTS AND EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE TO BE VIEWED

AT WWW.NASSAUHUMANESOCIETY.ORG. >>MAYOR BEAN: HOW BIG OF A NEED FOR DOGS TO BE ADOPTED IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> OUT-OF-CONTROL NEED. WE ARE SO FULL THAT WE ARE AT A POINT WE SHALL HAVING TO TURN AWAY TRANSPORTS FROM KILL SHELTERS IN GEORGIA BECAUSE WE ARE SO FULL.

WE HAD A TRANSPORT SHOW UP ONE DAY.

WE SAID OKAY, WITH HE HAD TO MAKE ROOM.

THEY DIDN'T TELL US WE WERE COMING.

AND EVERYBODY IS FULL. EVERYBODY -- WE GET CALLS ALL DAY LONG THAT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FEED THEIR ANIMALS.

THEY CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEM ANYMORE.

WITH AVENUE FOOD BANK, IF ANYBODY NEEDS DOG FOOD, CAT FOOD, SMALL ANIMAL FOOD, LET US KNOW.

WE CAN GET THAT. IF YOU NEED FOOD TO KEEP YOUR PET TO KEEP IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SURRENDER IT, CALL US AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. OWNER SURRENDER.

AND STRAYS IN THE CITY ARE UP MORE THAN THEY HAVE BEEN THE PAST FEW YEARS BECAUSE THEY KNOW WE ARE A NO KILL SHELTER AND THE DOGS WILL GO TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY WHICH IS A GREAT PLACE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DUMPING THEIR DOGS HERE AND SAY THEY CAN BE FOUND HERE AND STAY HERE. SO THAT'S THAT.

IF ANYBODY WANTS A DOG OR FOSTER A DOG A LITTLE BIT.

GIVE US A CALL. GO TO THE SHELTER, EVEN FOR A WEEKEND IS SUPER HELPFUL. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

AND SO DOES THE DOGS. THEY CAN COME OUT OF THEIR SHELL

AND RELAX. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THE HUMANE SOCIETY NEEDS OUR HELP.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING CHAD. ITEM 4-2 IS A PROCLAMATION OF THE SECRETARY OF STATE -- THE SECRETARY OF STATE FLORIDA MAIN STREET AWARDS. WE HAVE ALL-STARS IN THE ROOM.

COME ON DOWN. MISS RAMONA IS HERE AND MISS WU.

WE HAVE SOME ALL-STARS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THESE TWO DIDN'T JUST WIN FERNANDINA BEACH MAIN STREET AWARDS.

THEY WON STATE OF FLORIDA MAIN STREET AWARDS.

OFFICIAL MAIN STREET PHOTOGRAPHER IS HERE AS WELL.

WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR YOU TONIGHT.

HERE WE GO. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH WAS DESIGNATED A FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCE MAIN STREET COMMUNITY IN 2015.

THE PROGRAM'S VOLUNTEERS WORK TIRELESSLY FOR ECONOMIC VITALITY, POSITIVE IMAGES, TAX SAVINGS AND PRESERVE HISTORIC RESOURCES. WHEREAS, THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE DEVELOPED THE ANNUAL SECRETARY OF STATE'S FLORIDA MAIN STREET AWARDS PROGRAM TO RECOGNIZE AND COMMEMORATE OUTSTANDING MAIN STREET PROJECTS. LEADERS, PARTNERSHIPS, ACTIVITIES AND VOLUNTEERS WHO ADVANCE THE MISSION OF THE FLORIDA MAIN STREET PROGRAM AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF FERNANDINA

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HAND THIS YEAR'S BUSINESS OWNER OF THE YEAR MISS NATHALIE WU.

THANK YOU, BOTH. WHEREAS, VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR MAIN STREET 2020 DUE TO HER PRIOR FUND RAISING EXPERIENCE.

SHE WAS TASKED FOR A SIGNATURE EVENT TO SUPPORT THE MAIN STREET ORGANIZATION. AND A TEN-MEMBER STEERING COMMITTEE TO DEVELOP THE CONCEPT OF ISLAND HOP CRAFT BEER FESTIVAL WHICH GENERATED FOUR TIMES ITS REVENUE GOAL IN THE FIRST YEAR. AND DOUBLE THAT NUMBER IN THE SECOND YEAR. MISS VIKAN HAS TAKEN ON MAIN STREET ROLES AS COUNCIL CHAIR AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. INSTRUMENTAL IN STRATEGIC PLANNING CREATING A MEMBER PARTNER PROGRAM, REWR REWRITING BYLAWS AND ESTABLISHING ON-BOARDING FOR NEW COUNCIL AND BOARD MEMBERS. IMPROVED RETENTION AND EFFECTIVENESS. MISS VIKAN SPENDS TIME PROMOTING MAIN STREET AND POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE ORGANIZATION AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO ISLAND HOP. BUSINESS OWNER THE YEAR NATHALIE WU OPENED THE WICKED BOW RESTAURANT WHICH BROUGHT FOR THE FIRST TOO TIME DELICIOUS ASIAN STREET FOOD.

WICKED NOW, MAINTAINED HISTORIC COMBLG AT THE TIP OF THE CITY'S NATIONAL HISTORIC. MISS WU PROVIDED A BEAUTIFUL RESTAURANT AND LIVELY DESTINATION FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO EXPLORE WHAT WAS ONCE AN OVERLOOKED AREA.

FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN MIXED AUTO US, RETAIL, APARTMENTS, TOWN HOUSES AN BOUTIQUE HOTEL PROJECT.

MISS WU WAS THE FIRST MORE DOWN THERE AND REVITALIZED WITH THE WORK OF WICKED BOW. STEADFASTLY PROMOTES REGIONAL AND RETAIL SHOPS, EATERIES AND SHARES HER EXPERTISE AS FERNANDINA BEACH MAIN STREET NO COST COST WAYS TO PROMOTE YOUR BUSINESS. AND IT TO SUPPORT THE BIANNUAL WINDOW PAINTING EVENTS THAT SHOWCASE FERNANDINA BEACH HIGH SCHOOL ARTISTSES. HER POSITIVE ATTITUDE AND GENEROUS SPIRIT INSPIRES OTHER TO REACH FOR THE STARS.

I BRADLEY BEAN BY THE AUTHORITY INVESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR OF FERNANDINA BEACH DO CONVEY SINCERE GRADUATIONS AND SINCERE APPRECIATION TO THE VOLUNTEER OF THE YEAR MISS RAMONA VIKAN.

AND THE BUSINESS OWNER OF THE YEAR, MISS NATHALIE WU.

PLEASE PUT YOUR HANDS TOGETHER.

LET'S GET A PICTURE. EVERYBODY GETS IN HERE.

NOW WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING.

A FEW WORDS OR -- >> WELL, I AM TIRED JUST HEARING YOU READ ALL THE THINGS THAT ME AND NATHALIE HAS DONE.

BUT IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL TO BE NOMINATED, EVEN MORE WONDERFUL TO WIN. AND WE GO TO GO TO OCALA A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND RECEIVE OUR AWARDS FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE. AND REALLY GET TO SEE THE CALIBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE WERE COMPETING AGAINST.

AND SO A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY. VERY BLESSED TO BE PART OF THIS COMM COMMUNITY.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, RAMONA AND MISS WU.

I WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE A LONG ONE TO READ BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE STATEWDE AWARDS WITHOUT THAT.

APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND YOU HAVE A GOOD ONE.

[4.3 PRESENTATION - FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH - NASSAU - POCKET OUTDO - Community Engagement and Minority Health Liaison Barbara Babptista will be in attendanc present on the pocket outdoor gym equipment, awarded by grant, and installed at the Elm St Park]

SO WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND MINORITY HEALTH

LIAISON MISS BARBARA BABPTISTA. >> THAT ITEM HAS BEEN REMOVED

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

FROM CONSIDERATION. >>MAYOR BEAN: WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 5, THE CONSENT AGENDA. DO I HEAR A MOTION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED OFF? SEEING NONE.

CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES WITH CONSENT.

[6.1 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - WEATHERPROOFING TECHNOLOGIES, INC.]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, 6.1 ROOF REPAIR TO HANGAR B, PUN OF OUR

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RESTORATION OF A ROOF. >>MAYOR BEAN: DO I A HEAR A

MOTION. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY DISCUSSION?

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: JUST A QUESTION. WHY ARE WE REPAIRING IT OPPOSED TO FIXING IT RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE ROOF.

>> THE REPAIR IS NEEDED NO YOU. A COMPLETE REHABILITATION OF THAT ROOF IS A 13,000-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING WILL BE VERY EXPENSIVE. WORKING WITH THE AIRPORT DIRECTOR HOW TO FUND THAT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

THAT IS WHY, DUE TO THE EXPENSE. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

CITY CLERK. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

[6.2 AWARD OF BID - BEACH ACCESS 16]

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

6.2, AWARD OF BID. BEACH ACCESS IS INTERIM CITY

MANAGER GEORGE. >>CHARLES GEORGE: AWARDING INVITATION FOR BID BEACH ACCESS 16.

CONSTRUCTION TO JC SANFORD AND SON FOR $19,040.

MATCHING 50/50 GRANT WITH THIS. A NEW ACCESS DUNE THAT WAS PART OF THE BEACH ACCESS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS SO STAFF

RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> MOTION.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE

ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

[6.3 NON-PROFIT GRANT FUNDING]

6.3. NONPROFIT GRANT FUNDING.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: GRANT FUNDING IN FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024.

TWO WEEKS AGO AT OUR MEETING YOU HAD A CONSENSUS OF WHAT STAFF HAD PRESENTED TO YOU AS THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE FUNDING.

THIS IS TO FORMALIZE THAT WITH AN APPROVAL OF PUTTING THESE IN

THE BUDGET AND MOVING FORWARD. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: HEAR A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE

ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

THAT PASSES 5-30. ONCE AGAIN THE CITY WILL BE FUNDING NONPROFITS. I AM VERY EXCITED THAT WE ARE DOING THAT AND THEY DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE COMMUNITY.

[7.1 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT - COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT]

7.1 COMPREHEND PLAN AMENDMENT. >>TAMMI BACH: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REINVESTMENT IN EXISTING PROPERTIES BY MODIFYING POLICY 1.08.05 STANDARDS FOR DESTINATION ACTIVITY CENTERS OR CONVERSION OF EXISTING CONVENTIONAL SUBURBAN SHOPPING CENTERS AND BY STRIKING THE MULTIMODAL ELEMENT POLICIES 2.13.06, REQUIRED PLACEMENT OF PARKING 2.13.08, VISUAL SCREENING OF PARKING, 2.3.11, REQUIREMENTS FOR PERVIOUS MATERIALS. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ORDINANCE? SEEING NONE. DO I HEAR A MOTION.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, IF POSSIBLE. COULD YOU PUT UP WITH EXHIBIT A.

CAMP PLAN CHANGES. FIRST QUESTION MODEST INSTEAD OF OFFSTREET PARKING. HOW DO WE DEFINE MODEST PARKING AND WHY NOT ADOPT A NO WORKING MINIMUM FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SIMILAR TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WHAT DRIVES THE SIZE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IS NOT THE NEED OF THE BUILDING BUT THE PARKING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

WHY NOT LET THE DEVELOPER WHO IS USING THE TO DECIDE THE PARKING MINIMUM TO EMBRACE THERE SHOULD BE A PARKING MAXIMUM BUT NO PARKING MINIMUM. YOU GO TO THE FOUR SHOPPING CENTERS YOU CAN SEE LARGE AMOUNTS OF UNUSED PARKING THAT IS NOT BEING USED SO I WAS WONDER WHY WE COULDN'T LOOK INTO

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FINALLY ON THIS ONE, WHAT WAS THE INFILL.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY AN OUTPARCEL INFILL DEVELOPMENT.

I DIDN'T UNDER SAND THAT. >> KELLY GIBSON, PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DIRECTOR .WHAT IS ABUNDANT VERSUS MODEST.

THIS IS A POLICY PROVIDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

IT IS GIVING YOU GENERAL FRAMEWOULD, TO DEVELOP MORE

[7.2 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT AMENDMENTS - LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT]

THOSE MORE SPECIFIC POLICIES ARE PROVIDED FOR WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT SPECIFIED THE USES AVAILABLE FORGIVEN PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN THE TYPE OF PARKING THAT WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO IT. YOU RAISE EXCELLENT POINT OF CONSIDERATION OF PARKING ON A MORE GLOBAL OR GENERAL SCALE.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALONG WITH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD EXPECTED TO TAKE ON IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: GREAT. IF YOU CAN MOVE UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES -- KEEP GOING IS IT ELIMINATES BUILDING SIZE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- THAT'S FINE. INITIALLY, I GUESS IT WAS 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO, SUPER WALMART WANTED TO COME HERE.

AND THIS WAS PUT INTO THE COMPREPLAN.

WHAT THIS IS DOING IS ELIMINATING ANY SIZE OF ANY PARKING OF ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT SO WE CAN HAVE UNLIMITED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH UNLIMITED SIZE OF A BUILDING. SO WE BASICALLY NOW HAVE FOUR LARGE SHOPPING CENTERS. AND THE BIGGEST ONE OF THEM HAS A -- HAS A TOTAL SIZE OF 238,000 OR 220,000 SQUARE FEET AND LARGEST INDIVIDUAL COMPONENT OF ANY ONE OF THOSE IS THE BEALL'S STORE WHICH IS 85,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND NOBODY SEEMS TO THINK THOSE ARE TOO LARGE.

I WAS WONDERING WHY WE COULDN'T -- I CAN STEAD OF JUST ELIMINATING THIS OF A STANDARD FOR FREE STANDING NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT. SHOULDN'T IT NOT EXCEED 240,000 SQUARE FEET. WHAT THAT WILL MOO HE HADLY DO MAKE ALL FOUR SHOPPING CENTERS NONCONFORMING USE ALSO MAKE THEM CONFORMING SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE VAR VARIANCES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH WHEN THEY WANT TO EXPAND.

NO INDIVIDUAL COMPONENT SHOULD EXCEED 8500 SQUARE FEET.

PUBLIX WANTED 2,000 MORE SQUARE FEET AND WELL UNDER THE 85,000.

AND WHEN THE SHOPPING CENTER THEIR DROVE THIS WHOLE THING CAME IN, THEY WANTED A FEW MORE THOUSAND FEET AND THIS WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, WE WOULD HAVE AN ABSOLUTE MAX MAXIMUM, WHICH IS SET BY THE SAME SIZE AS A PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER. PEOPLE SAY, WELL, NO MORE LAND TO DEVELOP, THAT IS NOT TRUE. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON THE PARKWAY. SEVERAL PARCELS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE ZONED COMMERCIAL THAT COULD PUT IN REALLY BIG SHOPPING CENTERS. AND THEY CAN PUT IN REALLY BIG STORES. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM HERE IN THE CITY.

AND I THINK THIS IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE AND MAKES ALL THE CURRENT SHOPPING CENTERS CONFIRMING USES.

SO THAT IS MY COMMENT ON THAT. NEXT ONE.

MOVE IT UP A LITTLE IN FACT ON ELEMENT TWO, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO DURING THE -- WHEN WE WERE PASSING THE MU -8 AND WE HAD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE MEET INFORMATION THIS CHAMBER ABOUT THAT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS STRESSED WAS TAKING THE PARKING OFF THE STREET AND PUTTING IT TO THE SIDE OF THE REAR AND IF YOU GO DOWN 8TH STREET, YOU SEE THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT, THEY ARE BUILT WITH THE PARKING IN THE REAR. I AM CURIOUS WHY WE WOULD ABANDON THE STANDARD NOW. JUST CURIOUS.

>> THE DIRECTION THAT WE TOOK WITH THIS WAS TO RELY MORE ON THE POLICIES PROVIDED FOR IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE INSTEAD OF A BROADER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY AND THAT PROVIDED FOR GRA RITTER CH FLEXIBILITY WITH THE STANDARD IN PLACE AND TO THE COMP PLAN AND YOU COULD NOT SEEK VARIANCES WHEN HARDSHIPS WERE TO OC OCCUR.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: FINALLY OFF-STREET PARKING WITH TREATS,

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BASICALLY WHEN WE PUT PARKING LOTS IN FRONT OF BUILDINGS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THERE WILL BE ANY SCREENS IN FRONT OF THEM.

I KNOW YOU SAID IT COULD BE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE STRONGER THAN THAT AND PUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FINALLY I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THE MINIMUM REQUIRING -- TAKING OUT THE PERVIOUS PARKING.

PERVIOUS PARKING MATERIALS. PERVIOUS PARKING MATERIALS, THE WAY WE INSTALL THEM DO NOT WORK AND UNGODLY EXPENSIVE AND IT -- IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. IT DOESN'T WORK.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF -- WHAT I AM PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN IS -- IF WE CAN GO BACK A LITTLE BIT WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK ABOUT -- BACK A LITTLE BIT.

KEEP GOING. AND WHAT YOU MISS GIBSON AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR THINK OF ADOPTING THIS STANDARD OPPOSED

TO HAVING NO STANDARD AT ALL. >>MAYOR BEAN: BEFORE -- BEFORE WE GET OTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION OF MISS GIBSON. THERE IS A LOT OF -- AND YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- I KNOW -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS, CAN YOU PLEASE DO TWO THINGS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THIS -- WHAT THIS CODE AMENDMENT DOES IN LAYMAN'S TERMS AND WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO IT.

WHAT IS THE GOOD NEWS. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS?

>> THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES COLLECTIVELY TO REALLY SERVE TO BALANCE OUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT ON A LARGE SCALE IS PERMITTED TO DO.

IT CORRECTS SOME ITEMS SUCH AS THE PERVIOUS PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND ALLOWING FOR RELIANCE ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ESTABLISH STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE SITES. SO THAT WHERE THERE ARE UNIQUE SITUATIONS AND THEY DO OCCUR. MOSTLY BUILT-OUT COMMUNITY, THAT YOU CAN LOOK TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AS A MECHANISM OF SEEKING RELIEF WHERE THAT IS NEEDED.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GO TO FIRST VICE-MAYOR. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO KELLY, AS IT IS WRITTEN CURRENTLY. THIS IS JUST A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HOW WE WANT TO ADJUST FOR LARGE DEVELOPMENT LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS. OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF WE PASS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRITTEN, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITEMIZES BASED ON USE. BASED ON SIZE.

BASED ON AREA AND WOULD BE -- WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PROCESS TO PERMIT AND APPROVE WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE OFFERED BY WHATEVER PERSON DECIDE TO OFFER OR MODIFY ANY OF THESE

COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: SO I LIKE IT JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN.

I THINK IT IS FINE. I THINK THE STANDARD IS FINE.

WE HAVE PARAMETERS THAT ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT COVER THE FINE DETAILS LIKE IF IT WAS GOING BECOME AN OUTLET CENTER OR A GYM OR A HEALTH CENTER OR DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

WHATEVER IT BECOMES, WHATEVER THE USE IS, THAT LIMITS THE PA PARAMETERS AND SIZES AND THE PARKING.

>> THERE ARE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED WITHIN THE BUNDLE OF AMENDMENTS, BOTH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THEY INCLUDE FLOOR AREA RATIOS, LEVEL OF INTENSITY FOR DEVELOPMENT AND IMPERVIOUS SERVICE AREA REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD LIMIT THE SCALE AND PROPORTIONS OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DEPENDING ON THE

SITE THEY ARE WORKING WITHIN. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: EVERYTHING

LIMITS THE SIZE? >> CORRECT.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MUCH LANDSCAPING AND ENVIRONMENTAL AREA NO MATTER WHAT.

>> CORRECT. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: ON A WHOLE. I WANT TO MAKE ONE POINT -- I WON'T TAKE TOO LONG MORE. BUT ONE POINT, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT DOES TAKE MORE TREES DOWN AND CREATES MORE DENSITY ACROSS THE AREA, ASPHALT OR WHATEVER IT IS THAN RESIDENTIAL

DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? >> A GREATER LEVEL --

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: IN GENERALITY.

>> IN -- IN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE FOOTPRINTS BECAUSE OFTEN THEY ARE ONE LARGER AREA VERSUS SMALLER AREAS LIKE A HOME WOULD IMPACT THE ABILITY TO REALLY NAVIGATE AROUND TREES HAND THIS TYPE OF THING.

BUT OUR CODES ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT ALL OF POUR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS. WETLAND FEATURES SO AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS OFF OF THOSE FEATURES.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: WHY I AM MAKING THIS POINT.

WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND WANT TO DO RESIDENTIAL AND OFFER AREAS TO SAVE TREES. THEY ARE GETTING SLOWED DOWN

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ALL THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR. COMMISSIONER.

>> YES, SIR, THANK YOU -- COMMISSIONER ROSS BRINGS UP SOME GOOD POINTS, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT A LOT OF WHAT IS IN THIS PACKET HERE PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO BACK TO PLANNING FIRST.

START THAT PROCESS. LET PLANNING GET THEIR HANDS ON IT. LET THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD DO THEIR JOB AND VET IT AND BRING IT BACK TO US.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT.

AND ANY OF THESE SUGGESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS BROUGHT UP, WHICH THEY SEEM SOMEWHAT REASONABLE, BRING BACK FROM PLANNING, LET THEM VET IT AND BRING IT FORWARD.

>>MAYOR BEAN: EXCELLENT POINT, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO -- CAN

YOU KEEP THAT UP THERE. >> YES, SIR ROSS VOS UNDER WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO DO, WE ARE STILL GOING TO -- UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE NOW HAVE FOUR SHOPPING CENTERS A THAT ALL WILL BE

CONFORMING USE ARE CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TONIGHT OR IF WE DON'T PAY US THIS AND YOU DON'T, YOU ARE GOING TO DO WHAT MIRROR THIS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TWO OR THREE SHOPPING CENTERS, MAYBE FOUR, THAT ARE STILL NONCONFORMING USES. BASED SIMPLY ON THE SIZE OF THE

BUILDING AND THE SIZE. >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: WOULD ELIMINATE NONCONFORMING USES IN THE CITY, AM I CORRECT? ELIMINATE THE NEED IF THEY WANT TO EXPAND OR DO THINGS, TO COME BACK AND GET THEIR VARIANCES A DOND THEIR OTHER THINGS. STREAMLINING THE CODE AND PROCESS. AND IT IS HELPFUL FOR MAINTAINING AND FOR -- AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THEM TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THEIR SHOPPING CENTER.

SPECIFIC TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING, THAT POLICY. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT IN THERE AT ALL.

I WOULD RATHER IT BE WITHIN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

INSTEAD OF PLACING IT WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND I KNOW YOU WILL SUGGEST THAT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS

WELL. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM.

>> WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN THE NEXT PORTION OF THE HEARING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS LIKE ALL THE DISCUSSION.

IF NOTHING FURTHER, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. THAT PASSES 4-1.

HEADED ON DOWN THE LIST, WE HAVE ITEM 4.2, LAND DEVELOPMENT,

[4.2 PROCLAMATION - SECRETARY OF STATE FLORIDA MAIN STREET AWARDS - Wicke owner Nathalie Wu was awarded the State of Florida Main Street Business Owner of the Yea Fernandina Beach Main Street Board of Directors Vice-Chair and Island Hop Craft Beer Fest Ramona Vikan was awarded Volunteer of the Year]

>>TAMMI BACH: ORDINANCE 23-25, AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO SUPPORT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND ALLOW REASONABLE REINVESTMENT IN EXISTING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BY ADDING DEFINITIONS IN SECTION 1.07.00, ACRONYMS AND DEFINITION FORRA DAPT I HAVE IT REUSE, DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, INFILL DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT, AND GREEN FIELD DEVELOPMENT. AND AMENDING SECTION 6.04.01, STANDARDS FOR LARGE SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY CHANGING POLICIES FOR MAXIMUM GROSS FLOOR AREA, CREATING ALLOWANCE FOR EXPANSION OF NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, PARKING MATERIALS, LOADING DOCKS, AND AMENDING SECTION 7.301.04 SUB C, SUB 2, PARKING LOT DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.

PARKING MATERIALS AND AMENDING SECTION 7.01.76.

LOADING SPACE STANDARDS AND DESIGNS AND ADDING CRITERIA FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND MODIFYING SECTION 10.01.02 TO ALLOW REASONABLE EXPANSION OF NONCONFORMING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

DO I HEAR A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. DISCUSSION?

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO IF YOU WILL PUT UP THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IF WOULD YOU GO UP A LITTLE BIT. WHAT I AM INTERESTED IN DOING IS TAKING THE FOUR CURRENT SHOPPING CENTERS AND MAKING THEM CONFORMING USES. HAND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM THE

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I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE UNLI UNLIMITED ABILITY TO BUILD AS BIG A SHOPPING CENTER AS YOU WANT. AND I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD HUGE BUILDINGS THIS GOES BACK WHAT I ALREADY PROPOSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

GROSS FLOOR IS 85,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE BIGGEST COMMERCIAL IN THE BUILDING IS THE BELL BUILDING.

AND THAT SIZE BUILDING MOST PEOPLE FIND OBJECTIONABLE AND I THINK IT FITS INTO A SCALE OF A CITY LIKE THIS.

TO MAINTAIN THE CHARM OF NOT HAVING BUSINESS BUILDINGS.

THE SHOPPING CENTER TO BE CONFORMING USES THAT IS WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE FOR THIS. THE NEXT PORTION GOING DOWN.

IF YOU GET RID OF THE -- IF YOU APPROVE THE ABOVE, YOU CAN GET RID OF ALL THIS LANGUAGE WHICH ALLOWS THE NONCONFORMING USE EXPANDED. YOU GOT WHAT YOU GOT.

A PRETTY BIG BUILDING. AND YOU NO LONGER -- THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHAT IT TRY TO DO NOT HAVE NONCONFORMING USES. EVERYTHING THAT IS CONFORMING IS FINE. IT WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PUBLIC SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE -- THEY JUST GOT A VARIANCE.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GET A VARIANCE UNDER THIS.

THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER THAT DIDN'T GET THE VARIANCE, THIS WILL TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROBLEMS. AND I THINK IT IS A FAIR WAY OF GOING.

IF YOU GO UP A LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT.

AND THEN SAYS AT LEAST 20% OF AT AREA DEDICATED TO PARKING MUST BE INCORPORATED. ALTERNATE PARKING MATERIALS, DECORATIVE PAVER, SCORED BRICKS OR PAVING PATTERNS.

THE PURPOSE OF A PARKING LOT IS TO MAXIMIZE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND MAXIMIZE SAFETY IN AVAILABLE SPACE.

20% IS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. AND IT IF ANYTHING, UNGODLY EXPENSIVE AND DRIVING UP THE COST OF PUTTING IN PARKING AND NOT ACHIEVING THE GOAL OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.

MANY OTHER ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF DOING THAT AND WE GO THROUGH SOME OF THEM HERE, THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.

AND ADDITIONALLY, WHEN YOU PUT DECORATIVE PAVERS AND BRICKS, THE CITY -- THE CITY -- INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN ALL THESE THINGS BECAUSE THEY CAUSE A TRIP HAZARD. WE ARE NOW CON TONING WHAT WE HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR MAINTENANCE THAT THERE I IS HEAVING AND SO FAR AND SO FORTH.

AND THESE CREATE A TRIP HAZARD. WHAT I DO THINK IF YOU GO THROUGH THE PARKING LAYOUTS CONTINUOUS FLOW.

DESIGN SHOULD ALLOW FOR SAFE MOVEMENT OF PEDESTRIANS.

THOSE TWO THINGS WHAT THAT IS APPROVING THERE THE KIND OF THINGS YOU PUT AS REQUIREMENT. DESIGN FOR APPROPRIATE PARKING AREAS WITHOUT CONFLICTING WITH THE SITE LIGHTING .WHAT HAPPENS IS -- ONE OF THE REASONS THE TREE GOES ET CUT DOWN A LOT AND PRUNED. YOU PUT IN THE LIGHTING AND THE TREES. BECAUSE THE TREES ARE BLOCKING THE LIGHTING, THEY GET PRUNED. THE REASON WE HAVE SMALL TREES.

IT SHOULD BE SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. ALL THE LIGHTS AND THE PEDESTRIAN ROUTE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND SHORTCUTS THAT DAMAGE THE LANDSCAPE AREAS. I MEAN KEEP GOING, PLEASE.

ALL THE STATE AND SITE FACILITIES SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE WITH PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. VEHICLE, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN.

INSTEAD OF SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE 20% BRICKS.

SAY THAT THE CIRCULATION SYSTEM TO AVOID THESE THINGS.

WE WANT PEOPLE RIDING THEIR BICYCLES AND WALK THROUGH PARKING LOTS WITHOUT GETTING RUN OVER.

AND YOU CAN DO THINGS THAT ARE MUCH CHEAPER, CIRCULATION WITH WHY HE WILL LOW STRIPING, SPEED BUMPS AND SIGNAGE, WHICH HAVE

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KEEP GOING. GO BACK ONE.

THIS IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT ELEMENT THAT SHOULD BE -- ALL ELEMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS, ACCESS REQUIREMENTS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICE VEHICLES. THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE IN PARKING LOTS.

WE ARE ALMOST DONE, GUYS .PROVIDE AT LEAST ACCESSIBLE BOUNDARY OF PARKING LOT. AGAIN, THIS IS PROJECTING PEDESTRIANS. GO UP ONE MORE GRADINGS.

WE HAVE NOTHING IN GRADINGS. IF YOU PUT A GRADING LONG WAY, EITHER YOUR BICYCLE CAN GO IN THERE AND YOUR WHEEL CHAIR CAN GO IN THERE AND YOU GET TOPSY-TURVY.

PARKING STRIPES FOUR INCHES WIDE.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS ANYWHERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND TREES. THIS IS WHERE IT ENDS.

EXISTING TREES SHOULD BE RETAINED UNLESS A STRONG CASE CAN BE MADE FOR REPLACEMENT. THAT CAME UP AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING AT THE LAST CASE.

THE REASON WE HAVE SUCH SMALL TREES IN ALL THESE PARKING LOTS IS BECAUSE THE TREES DON'T HAVE ENOUGH VOLUME, GIRTH VOLUME TO GROW. NO WAY THOSE TREES WILL EVER BE LARGE. INSTEAD OF A LARGE NUMBER OF TREES ENCOURAGE AREAS WHERE THERE IS ENOUGH SOIL VOLUME THAT YOU CAN PUT IN THERE. SO THERE SHOULD BE LINEAR SOIL STRIPS FOR SAFETY. ALL WAYS OF DOING THIS.

TO KEEP TREES AWAY FROM THAT. ENOUGH SOIL VOLUME AND THE ROOT PAVEMENT. SO BASICALLY, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE -- THAT ARE NOT TERRIBLY EXPENSIVE THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THESE LARGE PARKING LOTS TO GIVE PEDESTRIANS AND THE PEOPLE PARKING THERE A SAFER EXPERIENCE.

AND I THINK IT IS MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE TO THIS APPROACH THAT 20% OF IT NEEDS TO BE BRICKS AND PAVERS AND SO ON.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

MISS GIBSON, COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

NUMBER ONE, WHAT CURRENTLY REQUIRES PEOPLE TO HAVE ADA PARKING IN PARKING LOTS. WHY DO THEY DO IT NOW?

>> FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT PROVIDE FOR ADA PARKING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRES THAT WE

HAVE ADA PARKING IN SUCH LOTS. >> AND GUIDANCE HOW YOU CAN

CONSTRUCT AND PROVIDE FOR IT. >>MAYOR BEAN: UNDERSTOOD.

CAN YOU ONE MORE TIME. THIS.

>> A LONG ORDINANCE. CAN YOU SUMMARIZE IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHAT DOES THE ORDINANCE DO.

WHY SHOULD WE VOTE FOR IT? >> THE ORDINANCE FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ITSELF SERVES SPECIFICALLY TO ADDRESS THE CONSTRAINTS TIED TO LARGE-SCALE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY. IT ADDRESSED ISSUES FOR EXPANSION OF EXISTING NONCONFORMITIES IN A WAY THAT ALLOWED FOR REASONABLE EXPANSION WITHOUT AN ABUNDANCE OF EXPANSION. INSTEAD OF SETTING A BLANKET THRESHOLD AT 230,000 OR 240,000 SQUARE FEET OF MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. ALLOWED FOR THOSE USES TO CONTINUE WITHIN OUR CITY AND HAVE LIMITED EXECUTIVE SESSION PANGS AT -- FOR -- FOR BEING ABLE TO MODERNIZE OVER TIME.

WE ALREADY HAVE A REALLY GRACIOUS SECTION OF CODE THAT SPEAKS TO NONCONFORMITIES AND ALLOW FOR NONCONFORMITIES TO BE MAINTAINED .IN THE INSTANCE OF LARGE GOVERNMENT OF 15% EXPANSION WHERE THEY ARE NOT CONFORMING.

THE ALTERNATIVE BEING CONSIDERED WOULD SET A BLANKET THRESHOLD AT A BLANKET RATE THAN THE COMMITTEE IS WILLING TO ACCEPT OVERALL AND LIMITATION ON THE INDIVIDUAL SINGLE OWNERSHIP AND SINGLE ESSENTIAL NOT SPACE MAXIMUM.

MR. -- COMMISSIONER ROSS'S APPROACH IS A VALID APPROACH TO TAKE WITH THIS. AS STAFF, WE FELT MUCH MORE COMPETENT IN TAKING A INCREMENTAL APPROACH AND ONE THAT IS MUCH MORE KEEPING WITH THE NATURE AND CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY OVERALL. THE POINTS RAISED ABOUT COMMERCIAL OBSTRUCTING SOME OF OUR STANDARDS FOR PARKING AREAS, I THINK THOSE ARE ITEMS WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO ADDRESS AS PART OF PARKING SOLUTIONS IN THE FALL WITH THE PLANNING ADVISORY

BOARD. >>MAYOR BEAN: EXCELLENT.

ONE FINAL QUESTION AND YOU ALLUDED TO IT.

THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN OUR CODE NOW, RIGHT? THERE ARE MECHANISMS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT BUILDING AN INFINITELY

LARGE BUILDING. >> CORRECT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THINGS NOW. WHY CAN'T I JUST BUILD A

BUILDING AS BIG AS I WANT. >> OTHER LIMITATIONS NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS BUNDLE OF CHANGES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR COMMERCIAL SITES. THEY INCLUDE INTENSITY

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THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL SITE AS WELL AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OUR YAS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL TAKE AWAY CERTAIN PERCENT DAMAGE TO PROVIDE FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS. IN SOME CASES.

NOT IN ALL, BECAUSE THERE ARE UNDERGROUND SOLUTIONS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED, BUT REALLY WITH INTENSITY AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA AND MINIMUM LANDSCAPING ENVIRONMENTS.

AT THE THRESHOLDS WE HAVE CURRENTLY SET WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WHITTLES DOWN THE DEGREE OF INTENSITY THAT

COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT CAN HAVE. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU,

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: COMMISSIONER ROSS, I DON'T THINK YOU ARE BRINGING ANYTHING THAT IS OUT OF THE OTHER OR JUST A PROBLEM, I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO FOLLOW THROUGH OUR PLANNING PROCESS.

I THINK PLANNING SHOULD HAVE THE FIRST SHOT AT THIS.

GIVE IT A GOOD LOOK OVER AND GO THROUGH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HERE FOR.

THESE ARE ALL GOOD, GREAT SUGGESTIONS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD STICK THROUGH GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESS WITH I IS

PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN US. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU,

COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: BY ADOPTING THIS YOU ARE DOING TWO THINGS.

ELIMINATING MAXIMIZED SIZED BUILDINGS.

THIS PUTS AN UPPER STOP ON IT. AND IF YOU -- WHAT IS PROPOSED DOES NOT. NUMBER TWO, THE 20% RULE FOR ALL THAT OTHER STUFF, YOU ARE DRIVING UP THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO MAINTAIN COSTS AND CUT COSTS, WELL, PAVERS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF IS 20%, 30%, 50%, 100% MORE THAN PAVEMENT. AND YOU CAN TAKE PAINT AND YOU CAN SHOW PEOPLE HOW TO GET PLACES A LOT CHEAPER THAN YOU CAN WITH THAT 20%. I THINK THE 20% IS TOTALLY UNREASONABLE. AND IT DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH WHAT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS DO. THAT HAVE BEEN DONE MULTIPLE OTHER TIMES. IF YOU WANT TO ADOPT THE 20%, KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF. BUT I THINK YOU ARE MAKING THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THESE PROJECTS TO GO UP A GREAT DEAL.

THAT IS -- AND NUMBER TWO, WITH THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT. WHAT THESE THINGS DO, FEDERAL GUIDELINES FOR SIZE OF A PARKING LOT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

BUT WHAT THESE THINGS DO, HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DISABLED GET FROM THEIR CAR TO THE STORE. AND THOSE ARE NOT UNDER THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARKING SPACE, BUT THEY DON'T SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY THAT IS SAFE FOR THEM TO GET THERE AND WAYS OF DOING THAT WITH STRIPING AND SO ON THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED. I THINK -- IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE PARKING -- TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR LOOKING AT IT AGAIN MORE CLOSELY AND SEE IF THEY COME UP WITH A WAY THAT MAKES PARKING LOTS SAFE.

GIVE TREE AS CHANCE IN THE PARKING LOTS WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE A CHANCE NOW. AND INSTEAD OF PASSING THIS TONIGHT WHICH I THINK WILL INCREASE THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT MUCH THESE CURRENT PARKING LOTS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

REDEVELOPING. >>MAYOR BEAN: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS. COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: CAN YOU SPEAK TO POTENTIAL INCREASED COST AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT DIFFERENCE WILL LOOK LIKE?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WITH THE 20%, WE ADDED IN OPTIONS.

GREATER RANGE OF FLEXIBILITY WHERE PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE STUCK TO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, PAVERS, TYPE OF MATERIALS.

WE ADDED IN SCORED CONCRETE, PAINTED SURFACES THAT WOULD BREAK UP THE MASSING OF IT AND OTHERWISE ASPHALT AREA IN A WAY THAT IS MOST COST EFFECTIVE THAN THE PRIOR CODES WE HAVE IN PLACE. AND ALLOW FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL COMMERCIAL CENTER MIGHT APPLY THAT.

DRIVE AISLES AND ALONG THE FRONT PROMENADE AREAS TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN AS WE ARE DRIVING INTO THAT AREA BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE PEDESTRIAN INTERFACE FROM THE PARKING AREA TO THE SCORE FRONT THEY COULD MAKE THAT DECISION AND MAKE A DECISION TO PUT IT IN OTHER AREAS OF THEIR PARKING LOT ITSELF BUT WITHOUTING WITH SO DIRECT AND SPECIFIC OF WHERE THEY DID IT. GAVE A GREATER AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY AND A RANGE OF MATERIALS THAT WE WEREN'T FORCING SOMEONE INTO ONE SPECIFIC SOLUTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD ABOUT FROM THE CHARGE COMMERCIAL TENANTS THEY WANTED TO SEE THE FLEXIBILITY AND INTERESTED IN THE TRAFFIC CALMING SOLUTIONS AND PROVIDE FOR THAT IN THEIR

WAY IS IMPORTANT FOR THEM. >>MAYOR BEAN: VICE-MAYOR.

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>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.

KELLY. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YOU ARE SAYING THEY HAVE MANY OPTIONS AND USE ASPHALT AND USE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE DRIVE AISLES AND OTHER AREAS, CORRECT?

>> YES. USE OF PAINT.

STAMPED CONCRETE. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: STAMPED CONCRETE AND ASPHALT. ALL DIFFERENT KIND OF MATERIALS.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS.

I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. AND I HEARD MR. ROSS KEEP BRINGING UP ABOUT THE TREES AND THEY DON'T GROW ANY SIZE.

WELL, THEY DON'T GROW BECAUSE THEY PLANT THEM UNDER THE POWER WIRES AND THEY CHOP THEM ALL DOWN.

SO THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T GROW, BECAUSE THAT IS JUST THE LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THEM, BUT DESIGNED A CERTAIN WAY.

THOSE SHOPPING CENTERS WERE DESIGNED A LONG TIME AGO BEFORE THE CODES WERE THOUGHT ABOUT MODIFYING THEM.

NOW -- DON'T THEY GIVE MORE ROOM FOR TREE AS SOON AS LIKE AN

ABUNDANT AMOUNT IN THE NEW CODE? >> WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE SECTION, A PARKING LOT LANDSCAPE, PERIMETER LANDSCAPING.

WHERE WE HAVE TREE ISLANDS AND SIZE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND PLANTING REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE ISLANDS SO YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE KIND OF KWON FLIKTS MOVING FORWARD.

>> THEY WILL NOT CREATE AND PUT A NEW OAK TREE AND TWO FEET OF

SPACE UNDER DIAMETER. >> THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: SIX OR EIGHT-FEET DIAMETER.

>> LARGER SPECIFIC AREAS. BUT SPECIFIC DEDIMENSIONS FOR THE TREE ISLANDS AND THE TYPE OF TREE BEING PLANTED.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: OKAY, THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: BACK TO COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY

-- >>MAYOR BEAN: ENGINEER, OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: CITY MANAGER, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE. ASPHALT COSTS, HOW MUCH A SQUARE

FOOT? >>CHARLES GEORGE: ABOUT $13 A

SQUARE YARD. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: CONCRETE

COST? >>CHARLES GEORGE: 12 PER SQUARE

FOOT. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: HOW MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE IS CONCRETE THAN ASPHALT.

>> ABOUT NINE TIMES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: GREAT.

HOW ABOUT BRICKS? BRICKS COMPARED TO ASPHALT?

HOW MUCH MORE? >> THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE BRICK AND ASPHALT IS THE LABOR. NOT SO MUCH THE MATERIAL COST.

PUTTING DOWN AN ASPHALT SURFACE IS FAIRLY QUICK.

PUTTING DOWN BRICKS, YOU HAVE TO PREPARE THE SUBGRADE AND BASICALLY HAND PLACEMENT. SO PROBABLY TWICE THE LABOR COST

AS A MINIMUM. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: STAMPED

CONCRETE, SAME THING? >> STAMPED CONCRETE.

THE CAME CONCRETE COST AND PUTTING A COATING AND SCORING IT OR WHATEVER, ONE AND A HALF TIMES THE COST FOR THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: AND PAINT IS CHEAP.

>> PRETTY CHEAP. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD REQUIRE THAT 20% OF THE TOTAL COST OF PARKING, 20% OF A TOTAL SIZE OF A PARKING LOT WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID WAS NINE TIMES THE COST OR TWICE THE

COST, CORRECT? >> ROUGHLY, YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YOU ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DRIVING UP THE

COST OF THE PARKING LOTS. >> THE BIGGEST THING WITH LARGE SCALE PARKING WHEN THEY ARE ASPHALT, A MASS PRODUCTION.

THEY CAN GET IN THERE AND KNOCK IT OUT VERY QUICK.

IF YOU WATCH ASPHALT PAVING, THEY HAVE A STREAMLINE OPERATION. YOU TAKE THAT WAY WAY AND CONCRETE WORK AND READY MIX. THERE IS A LOT OF PREP WORK AND FINISHING AND CURING. AND TAKE THE FORMS OUT HAND THIS KIND OF STUFF. WITH THE OTHER SYSTEMS, A LOT OF MANUAL LABOR TO PUT IT IN WHICH TAKES LONGER.

ASPHALT, PROBABLY THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OUT OF ALL OF THEM.

IT IS EXTRA -- SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS UNSIGHTLY.

AS AN ENGINEER, I LIKE ASPHALT. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO THE BOTTOM LINE, BY -- YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE ADDING A SIGNIFICANT COST TO THESE PARKING LOTS.

>> ANY TIME YOU START CHANGING FROM -- ESPECIALLY A MASS -- LIKE I SAID A MASS PARKING LO THE WHERE YOU CAN GET IN THERE AND JUST GO WITH AN ASPHALT REASON AND 20 GUYS AND SCRAPING AND TAPPING IT AND ALL THIS OPPOSED TO WORKING SMALL SECTIONS AT A TIME WITH THE OTHER -- IT IS GOING TO TAKE

LONGER AND COST MORE. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I THINK I HAVE SAID ENOUGH.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: GIVEN THAT THE 20% WAS ARBITRARY, OPTIONAL TO CHANGE A NUMBER RATHER THAN CHANGE THE RESTRICTIONS.

SOMETHING WE WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT?

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>>MAYOR: I PERSONALLY AM NOT WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT.

LET ME TELL YOU WHY. AS WE CLOSE OUT.

WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? WHAT IS IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. WHY ARE WE MAKING THIS ACTION. A LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT THIS DOES. WHAT IT DOES, ANSWERS THE CALL OF SOME OF OUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO INVEST IN FERNANDINA BEACH.

SOME OF OUR GROCERY STORE AND TENANTS.

THINK OF PUBLIX. THEY ARE READY TO COME IN AND MAKE THEIR PARKING LOTS NICER. THEY ARE READY TO MAKE THEIR PLACES OF BUSINESS NICER. THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO APPRECIATE. DON'T LET ALL THE TECHNICAL TERMS HERE DRAG YOU DOWN. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS HAPPENING TONIGHT, IS THAT WE ARE CREATING A PATH FORWARD.

WE ARE TAKING AWAY THE RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR CODE IS VERY RESTRICTIVE AS VICE-MAYOR STURGES POINTED OUT.

MOST OF THESE LOCATIONS AND SHOPPING MALLS.

ANY OF THE ONES THAT CONTAIN PUBLIX.

ONE THAT HAS THE NEW DOCTOR'S OFFICE THAT WAS FORMALLY A MOVIE THEATRE HERE. THINK OF THE OLD FOOD LION AND PLACES THAT HAVE SO MUCH ASPHALT.

HAVE SO MUCH. AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REDONE IN A WHILE. OUR CODE HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN SUMP A WAY THAT STOPS THESE SHOPPING CENTERS FROM REINVESTING IN THEMSELVES. HAND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO FIX TONIGHT. AND TRYING TO CREATE A CODE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT PEOPLE THAT ARE READY TO REINVEST IN FERNAND FERNANDINA BEACH.

AND WE ARE MAKING IT MORE IF HE CAN CITY OF.

WHEN THEY REINVEST, IT IS LOOK NICER.

MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE BUT RESTRICTIVE IN THE RIGHT WAY, THAT THEY MR. A PARKING LOT, ONE WITH MORE TREE.

WHAT YOU WILL SEE MOVING FORWARD A MORE BEAUTIFUL FERNANDINA.

LARGEST PARCELS WHICH ARE THESE SHOPPING CENTER ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT MORE TREE ISLANDS IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU WILL SEE THAT COMING UP AND ALL STARTS RIGHT HERE BY GIVING THEM THE ABILITY TOO DO SO. SO WITH THAT, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS. I AM GOING -- I THINK WE ALL

TALKED ENOUGH ON THIS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: LIMITED DEBATE. I HAVE ONE MORE -- I WOULD LIKE

TO RESPOND. >>MAYOR BEAN: CLARIFY THAT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THERE IS -- ONCE I GIVE YOU THE FLOOR, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TALK UNLIMITED. BUT OUR RULES SAY THAT.

I WILL GIVE IT TO YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE? >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHAT I WAS PROPOSE SOMETHING EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WHAT I AM SAYING, YOU ARE GOING TO PASS TONIGHT IS MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE RESTRICTIVE TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROPERTIES. I GAVE THAT -- I MADE THEM ALL NONCONFORMING USES. YOU ARE KEEPING THEM A NONCONFORMING USE. I MADE THEM ALL CONFORMING USES.

GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO MAKE ABSOLUTE MUCH LARGER BUILDINGS THAN THEY WERE. I GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO -- THEM TO DECIDE HOW MUCH PARKING THEY HAVE.

AS FAR AS THE RESTRICTIONS PUT ON BY THE CITY.

I GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, HERE ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN TO DO MAKE IT SO THAT THE TREES GROW.

WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS A MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE.

AND SO WHEN I VOTE FOR IT, THAT'S FINE.

YOU HAVE INCREASED THE COST BY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE PARKING LOTS BY PUTTING THAT 20% RULE IN. BUT, SO IT BE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ALL RIGHT, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO DO IT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE THE WONDERFUL PARKING LOTS COMING FORWARD AROUND THE CITY. IT IS GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. IT ALREADY IS.

CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES.

[8. BOARD APPOINTMENTS]

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO. >>MAYOR BEAN: YES.

4-1. BOARD APPOINTMENTS.

PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>>MAYOR BEAN: USE THIS PERSON'S NAME.

>> ELISEPERSTEIN. >>MAYOR BEAN: DO I HEAR A

SECOND. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? YOU KNOW I WILL TALK.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SPEAKING WITH HER EARLIER IN THE DAY AND WOW, SHE IS EXCITED TO GET ON BOARD.

THIS MORNING I TALKED TO THE CHAIR OF THE PARK AND REC, TOM, LOOKING AT THE NEW FENCE OF THE BALL FIELD AND HE WAS VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER. SHE WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT BUT SHE SERVES ON THE TALBOT ILAND COMMITTEE AND EXPERIENCED IN THE WAYS OF PARKS AND RECREATION.

WITH THAT, CITY CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: YES. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: YES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: YES. THAT PASSES 5-0.

[9. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

VICE-MAYOR LEN KREGER. >> I GOT TO TALK TWICE.

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>> LEN KREGER, 1313 HICKORY. LAST WEEK I SENT YOU ALL AN E-MAIL. AN E-MAIL ADDRESSED A SITUATION WITH SENATE BILL 102, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT.

IT HAS BEEN BOUNCED AROUND AND A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT IT BUT A PREEMPTIVE LAW THAT ALLOW AS DEVELOPER OR NONPROFIT OR ANYONE TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING MINIMUM OF 70 UNITS OF 40% MUST BE AFFORDABLE HOUSE AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRY REGARDLESS OF THE ZONING OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS CONTINUE TO RELATIVE TO THE HEIGHTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT.

THE FLAW IN THE LAW SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A STATE LAW IN HUD, EXTREMELY LOW, LOW, VERY LOW, AND MODERATE INCOME.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE RENTS WERE EXTREMELY LOW BASED ON THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IN THIS AREA WILL BEEN $500.

FOR MODERATE WILL BE $2,000. THE LAW DOES NOT DEFINE ANY RATIOS OF WHAT YOU WILL BE. SO A DEVELOPER CAN EASILY COME IN AND BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF 70 UNITS OR MORE BECAUSE THERE ARE PROPERTIES. YOU ALL REMEMBER 3767-UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DISCUSSED HERE.

AND PUT IT ALL -- CALLED IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RENTS AT APPROXIMATELY $2,000. NUMBER TWO, MAYOR BRADLEY -- I THINK IT WAS LAST MEETING WHEN YOU TALKED OF THE POVERTY RATE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. NOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW SOMEBODY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HO HOUSING IN $2,000 A MONTH RENT. THAT IS MARKET RATE, OKAY.

SO THE OPPORTUNITY IS HERE. AND I DON'T KNOW THE LEGALITIES.

I DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER FROM THE ATTORNEY YET, BUT, KELLY IS LOOKING INTO IT. TO ESTABLISH OF A MINIMUM.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY THIS LAW WILL BE -- THIS PERCENTAGE VERY LOW, EXTREMELY LOW. THIS PERCENTAGE LOW.

AND TO BE REALISTIC BECAUSE AT $500 RENT, YOU WILL NOT GET TOO MUCH DEVELOPERS. AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT NOW, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN. AND THERE ARE PROPERTIES.

AND YOU ARE GOING TO WIND UP WITH HIGH DENSITY, AND THE DENSITY AND -- I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAD THE DENSITY IN COMMERCIAL IS 34 UNITS AN ACHOR IN C 3.

YOU WRIEND UP WITH HIGH DENSITY AND HIGH RENTS.

EXACTLY WHAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT.

OR IS THE INTENT OF THE LAW. AND THE OPPORTUNITY NOW IS TO DO THAT. AND TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN TO DO ENACT THE LAW AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

ONE OTHER THING. I REMIND YOU, I WILL JUST MENTION THIS. THIS -- THIS -- KEEPS COMING UP THAT IT WAS PROMISED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

NEVER TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT WAS ALWAYS MARKET OPERATE HOUSING. WHEN I MADE THE MOTION TO GIVE DENSITY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DIDN'T EVEN GET A SECOND FROM THE DANG COMMISSION. AND CHIP WAS NOT ON THAT

COMMISSION. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR. I WE DON'T DISAGREE.

I SPOKE TO THE CITY STAFF ON THIS EXACT ISSUE.

BY THE WAY, NICE TRIM COUNTY BEARD TAMPA LOOKS GOOD.

IT LOOKS GOOD? THE BEARD LOOKS BETTER.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DO HAVE A QUESTION OF CITY ATTORNEY.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE -- AFFORDABLE -- WE CAN'T PREEMPT

THAT. >>TAMMI BACH: BY PREEMPT, DO YOU

MEAN SET OUR OWN LEVELS, FULL. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE STATE LAW SAYS WHAT IT IS AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

AM I CORRECT? >>TAMMI BACH: THAT'S CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SPINNING OUR WHEELS TO SAY WE ARE GOING

TO CHANGE THAT, AM I CORRECT? >>TAMMI BACH: WHAT VICE-MAYOR KREGER IS SAYING. WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IT.

WE NEED TO SEE IT WHAT KIND OF REGULATIONS WE CAN PUT IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE KNOW IS COMING.

WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS STOP IT. WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS CHANGE THE PERCENTAGE, THE STATE LAW SAYS 40% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE. THE CITY CAN'T THEN SAY THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, 60% HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: BUT THE HASSLE COMES IN -- NOT THE HASSLE, BUT THE QUESTION, WHAT THEY DEFINE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS 120% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME IN NASSAU COUNTY.

THE MEDIAN INCOME IS $90,000. AND ENTITLED TO UNDER THE LAW, THE STATE LAW, 40% OF THAT AT THAT LEVEL, AM I CORRECT?

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>>TAMMI BACH: YES, BUT LET ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN UMBRELLA UNDER WHICH THERE ARE THE DIFFERENT -- THE DIFFERENT VERY SLOW, EXTREMELY LOW, VERY LOW, UP TO MODERATE. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WE SUSPECT, IS THAT ALTHOUGH WE NEED HOUSING AT THE EXTREMELY LOW AND LOW LEVEL, MODERATE INCOME PERSONS, THAT IS WHERE THE 120% OF MEDIAN. UP TO -- YOU CAN HAVE INCOME UP TO 120% OF MEDIAN INCOME WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY OVER $100,000 ANNUAL INCOME. YOU COULD HAVE ALL OF YOUR 40% OF YOUR AFFORDABLE UNITS BE AT THAT RATE.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: CORRECT. AND THE STATE LAW REQUIRE THAT? THERE IN LIES THE RUB. STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT?

>>TAMMI BACH: THE STATE LAW REQUIRES -- OKAY.

SHOULDN'T LOOKED AT AS A REQUIREMENT.

IT IS BEING SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS, SO TO SPEAK.

IT IS INTENDED TO HELP AND BE A HELP TO FOLKS BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES AND PLACES.

THE REQUIREMENT IS NOT 40%. 40% IF YOU ARE A DEVELOPER AND YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TAX INCENTIVES, LIKE ALL OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS OR SALES ARE TAX-FREE.

THOSE -- IF YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

NOT REQUIREMENT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO USE THESE INCENTIVES.

YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND THE RULES ARE 40% HAVE TO BE ANY OF THOSE LEVELS OF INCOME UP TO MODERATE.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: OR ALL OF THOSE.

THEY CAN TAKE -- >>TAMMI BACH: ALL OR JUST MODERATE. MODERATE MEANING YOU GET THE BIGGEST BANG OUT OF YOUR BUCK. RENT THOSE FOR $2,000 MONTHLY.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE CITY CAN'T INTERFERE WITH THAT.

>>TAMMI BACH: NO. BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS.

PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THINGS THAT -- LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS THAT I HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT DESIGN -- LIKE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE.

BUT WE -- WE CERTAINLY CAN PUT SOME IN PLACE.

NOW IF WE LOOK TO SUSPICIOUS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE STATE WILL COME IN AND PASS SOMETHING ELSE. THAT IS WHY SOME OF THE LAWS ARE PASSED ANYWAY. WE WANTS TO BE CAREFUL HOW WE DO IT. AND MAKE SURE WE DO IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY AND PLANNING BOARD WILL BE VERY HELPFUL WITH

THAT. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I POINTED OUT THAT THE PARK ALSO DRIVE THE WHOLE THING, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. BASICALLY DRIVEN BY PARKING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

MISS BACH, AS WE SPOKE EARLIER. THINGS THAT YOU AND CITY STAFF ARE LOOKING INTO. WE CAN'T STOP IT BUT GUIDE IT IN CERTAIN WAYS HOW THEY LOOK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>>TAMMI BACH: YES. >>MAYOR BEAN: PLEASE CONTINUE DOING THAT WORK. VICE-MAYOR.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: DEFINITELY.

I THINK AS COMMUNITY, AS CONTRACTOR, I DON'T DO MAJOR DEVELOPMENT. BUT I HAVE BEEN AROUND AND ADVISED A LOT OF IT. THE CITY -- IF THE CITY WANTS TO DO LOW INCOME HOUSING, THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT ON. MORE THAN LIKELY NO DEVELOP WILL COME IN HERE AND OFFER FULL OF INCOME HOUSING.

SO IF THE STHI CITY WANTS TO GET INTO THAT THAT WE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS OVER THIS, I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE IN THE BALLPARK YET, BUT I HAVE HEARD DISCUSSIONS FROM -- FROM A LOT OF KEY STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INTERESTED.

AND -- SO ULTIMATELY, I THINK IF THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OVER AND DO LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

BUT WORK FORCE HOUSING AND SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, WE WILL GET A DEVELOPER IN HERE THAT WILL FUND MOST IF NOT ALL THAT. IF THEY ARE INTERESTED BUT THAT IS THE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING.

TO. WE NEED TO MANAGE -- SPECIFIC ME WHAT BRADLEY SAID, WE NEED TO MANAGE WHAT COMES OUR DIRECTION AND MAKE SURE WE PUT OUR REGULATIONS IN AREAS OF WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. AND I THINK IT IS A HOT TOPIC THAT IS ONLY GOING TO GET HOTTER IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS.

WE ARE JUST SEEING THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROBLEM.

>>TAMMI BACH: THAT'S RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE -- NOT JUST ME BUT OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS WE WILL HAVE WITH OUR LOCAL LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION.

AND OTHERS -- AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND JUST USING THAT UMBRELLA TERM TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE INCOME LEVELS IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF THE LEGISLATURE DID A LITTLE MORE WORK OF SAYING 10% OF YOUR UNITS HAVE TO BE LOW INCOME. AND 10% HAVE TO BE.

THAT WILL HELP BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS -- NOBODY WILL COME IN TO LOSE MONEY JUST TO LOSE MONEY. NOBODY WILL DO THE WORK, BUT GIVE THEM WHERE SOME OF IT IS A REAL COMMUNITY BENEFIT BY PROVIDING LOW INCOME HOUSING. CERTAIN NUMBER UNITS.

CERTAIN NUMBER OF UNITS. RIGHT NOW 60% OF THE UNITS COULD

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YOU GET ALL THE INCENTIVES BUT 60% OF YOUR UNITS ARE NOT

CONTROLLED AT ALL. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, M MISS BACH. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT ON THAT.

MR. JACK EMBER. >> JACK EMBER, 1003 BROOM STREET. FERNANDINA BEACH.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER OF ATLANTIC AND NORTH 11TH. IT IS PROPOSED TO BE A HIGH BUILDING, HIGH DENSITY CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX.

IT IS ALSO HIGH END IN TERMS OF PRICE.

THEY ARE STARTING AT $700,000. PER UNIT.

AND THEY ARE NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

MY CONCERNS IS THAT THIS JUST SORT OF SPRANG UP ON US.

THERE WAS NO PRE-- PREDISCUSSION OR ADVERTISING OR ANYTHING FOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE FENCES CAME UP WITH PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COMING ON. I QUESTIONED ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS ABOUT -- WHAT ABOUT THE STENCH FROM THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. WON'T PEOPLE BE PUT OFF BY THAT? AND SHE SAID TO ME, THEY WON'T CARE AS LONG AS THE PRICE IS RIGHT. MY MAIN CONCERNS ABOUT THIS IS, HAS THE PROPERTY BEEN REZONED FROM HIGH DENSITY TO RESIDENTIAL. ALSO BECAUSE IT WAS A PREVIOUS GAS STATION, I FOUND NO DOCUMENTATION THAT THE FUEL STORAGE TANKS HAVE BEEN REMOVED. A BIG CONCERN OF ME -- OF MINE THAT SOME KIND OF TOXIC CHEMICAL CLEARANCE WITH SOIL SAMPLES.

AND PROBABLY MOST CERTAINLY, THE SOIL SAMPLING SHOULD BE ONGOING.

CERTAINLY BECAUSE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR BECAUSE OF OUR AQUIFER. ALSO A VERY HIGH STRUCTURE.

I AM WONDER GOING IT IS IN THE HEIGHT LIMIT OF BEING FOUR STORIES HIGH WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE PARKING ON TO THE STRUCTURE.

THAT IS MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE A PUBLIC -- PUBLICIZED COMMENT.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. EMBER. I THINK I CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION WITH THIS COMMENT HERE IS THAT THIS -- I SAW THAT PROPOSED PLAN THIS -- THIS WEEK. THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE THE CITY OR ANY CITY BOARD, AM I CORRECT, MR. GEORGE? THAT HAS NOT COME BEFORE THE CITY.

JUST A PICTURE ON THE INTERNET. >> THEY HAVE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION TO TRC TO BEGIN THE FIRST STEPS.

AND THE FIRST STEP OF TRC WHERE THE APPLICANT COMES IN AND THEY GET INFORMATION FROM THE PLANNING OF WHAT ALL THE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS AND PROCESSES YOU GO THROUGH.

HAVEN'T BEN GUN TO BE ANY KIND F A PROJECT AS FAR AS THE CITY IS CONCERNED YET. AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE

PROCESSES. >>MAYOR BEAN: THE FIRST STEP IS THE TRC. BUT DESCRIBE WHAT IT WILL HAVE

TO GO THROUGH. >> WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH TRC FIRST. THEY WILL BASICALLY TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. TRC COMMITTEE PROVIDES BACK COMMENTS TO THEM. HERE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR. HERE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

I UNDERSTAND THIS AND THAT. THEY COME BACK AGAIN TO TRC WITH ANSWERS TO THOSE COMMENTS. AND THEN IF IT -- IF EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEN TRC WILL GIVE THEIR APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN IT STARTS GOING THROUGH AN ACTUAL BUILDING PERMITS PROCESS, THE COA -- I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT IS, BUT PAUTHORIZATIONS TO START THE PERMITTING PROCESS. SO THERE WILL BE ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS LIKE THE GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT GEO TECH.

ENVIRONMENTAL SAMPLING THROUGH THE BUILDING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. A LONG WAYS TO GO.

ALL THIS IS A CONCEPT. THEY HAVEN'T STARTED ANY OTHER DESIGN PLANS YET. THEY WILL SHOW -- MAYBE A CONCEPT OF A FIRST-FLOOR PLAN FOR 33 UNITS AND VERY CONCEPTUAL. A LONG PROCESS.

BE. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE. TO CLARIFY, THIS PROPOSED PLAN IS NOT REVIEWED BY ANY CITY ENTITY.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: ALL WE HAVE IS A TWO OR THREE-PAGE APPLICATION.

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>>MAYOR BEAN: JUST AN APPLICATION AND A LOT OF PUBLIC

COMMENT OPPORTUNITY BEFORE. >>CHARLES GEORGE: OF COURSE OF

OF COURSE. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: ADDRESSING YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, IT IS ALREADY ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

SO THE DENSITY IS -- >> 34.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: 33. THE DENSITY IS ALREADY THERE AND THE HEIGHT IS 45 FEET. SO YOU CAN PUT A FOUR-STORY BUILDING WITH 33 UNITS ON THAT PAR SELL SELL, MY GUESS.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: RIGHT NOW -- >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THEY HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO DO THAT, AM I CORRECT?

>>CHARLES GEORGE: YES. RIGHT NOW JUST A PRETTY PICTURE.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: A RETREAD OF -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A NEW GROUP OR A RETREAD, THIS CAME THROUGH ABOUT -- HOW MANY YEARS? I WAS GOING TO SAY FOUR.

THREE YEARS AGO. SO IS IT THE SAME GROUP FOR DIFFERENT GROUP? SAME GROUP.

DIFFERENT GROUP. SOMEBODY FLIPPED THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE WAS A SIMILAR -- ACTUALLY THAT ONE WAS MIXED USE.

GOING TO PUT COMMERCIAL ON THE BO THE TOMORROW HAND THIS ONE APPARENTLY IS ALL RESIDENTIAL AND THE WHOLE IDEA WITH THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WAS TO DRIVE IT SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM ON THIS AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IS IT IS ALL BECOMING ALL RESIDENTIAL.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ALL RIGHT, JUST -- COMMISSIONERS JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT IS MY PRIMARY TOPIC OF CONVERSATION WITH MISS BRNGZACH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WE LOOK FOR WAYS WE CAN GUIDE THIS, WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING AND STAFF IS WORKING ON SOMETHING. WE WILL SEE HOW THAT GOES.

MISS SHEILA COKIE. WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR BEAN. SHEILA COKIE, INI DID GO STREET.

I HAVE A QUESTION WHAT IS BEING DONE TO ADDRESS THE -- THE THEFT OF SERVICES FOR THE TRASH THAT SOMEBODY HAS BEEN RECEIVING FOR FIVE YEARS THAT IS NOT A CITY RESIDENT.

I KNOW WHAT I PAY EVERY MONTH FOR MY TRASH PICK-UP.

OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT IS.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING DONE TO RECOVER THOSE FU FUNDS?

>>MAYOR: WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK, MR. GLISTEN.

>> I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WHAT IS BEING MENTIONED.

WHAT WAS MENTIONED IS THE AREA OF DUNE WOOD PLACE.

UNIQUE AREA WHERE CITY ON ONE SIDE AND COUNTY ON THE OTHER.

WASTE MANAGEMENT -- WHEN DISPOSAL TOOK OVER.

A CONTRACT RENEWAL AND SUBCONTRACTED THE DELIVERY OF THE CARTS TOTS RESIDENTS. IT HAD TO HAPPEN QUICKLY AND SUBCONTRACTED THAT OUT. THE CONTRACTOR DELIVERED CITY GARBAGE CARTS TO BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET NOT KNOWING ONE WAS CITY AND COUNTY. WASTE MANAGEMENT WAS BEEN PROVIDING AND EMPTYING THE CARTS.

THE RESIDENTS ON THE WEST SIDES OF DUNE WOOD IS FREE GARBAGE SERVICE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CONTRACTOR.

BECAUSE ON THE CITY SIDE BILLED THROUGH THE UTILITY BILL.

SEWER, WATER, STORMWATER. YOUR GARBAGE IS ON THAT BILL.

THE LOSS IS ON PART OF -- WHICH IS WASTE MANAGEMENT.

CORRECTED THAT. AND THEY NOW HAVE CARTS.

AND THEY CAN APPLY FOR SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE, BUT, YEAH, THE LOSS IS NOT ON PART OF THE CITY BUT THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE FREE GARBAGE FOR FOUR YEARS AT THEIR EXPENSE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS COKIE, YOU GAVE YOUR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WITH THE ANSWER, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK. I AM ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO WASTE MANAGEMENT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: MISS COKIE, DOESN'T SPEAK OUT OF TURN HERE.

JUST TO CONFIRM. WE DON'T PAY EXTRA FOR THAT.

THAT IS AS YOU JUST SAY SAID, THAT WILL BE WASTE MANAGEMENT.

THEY MADE THE MISTAKE -- >> CORRECT.

I THINK WHERE SHE IS GOING. WE PAY THEM OFF OF WHAT WE RECEIVE. WE RECEIVE THE MONEY OFF OF THE UTILITY BILL AND PAY OUR HAULER FOR RESIDENTIAL SERVICE.

WE ARE NOT GETTING THE MONEY, THEY ARE NOT GETTING PAID.

THEY DIDN'T GET -- WE WERE NOT BILLING BECAUSE NOT CITY RESIDENTS. THE LOSS IS ON THE PART OF THE

HAULER AND THEY CORRECTED THAT. >>MAYOR BEAN: MAKES SENSE.

IT WILL BE UP TO THEM IF THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

THAT WOULD BE ON WASTE MANAGEMENT.

WE DIDN'T LOSE ANY MONEY AS A CITY.

>> CORRECT. >>MAYOR BEAN: THEN I GUESS MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. BECAUSE IT IS NOT OUR ONUS, WE DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY WORRY OF IT.

ANY OTHER STREETS THAT COULD BE HALF AND HALF.

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LOOKING INTO IT. >> C EX.

AS WE LOOK TO A NEW CONTRACT THAT STARTS THE FIRST OF JANUARY, WE HAVE MEETINGS CHANGE OF SERVICE.

ONCE-A-WEEK PICKUP, CHANGE OF ROUTES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

ONE LAST PUBLIC CHECKER IS MR. CHARLES HAMMOND TOP DO AN INTRODUCTION. WHAT IT SAYS ON THE SUBJECT

LINE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. I AM ANTHONY HAMMOND.

ACTUALLY A FORMER RESIDENTS OF FERNANDINA.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED 17175 SOUTHWEST 35TH LANE ARCHER, FLORIDA. I AM ONE OF THE APPLICATION OF CITY MANAGER FOR FERNANDINA. I WANTED TO COME TO OVER AND INTRODUCE MYSELF TODAY AND LET YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING YOU ONLINE FOR THE LAST MONTH AND I HAVE BEEN REVIEWING YOUR MINUTES SINCE JANUARY AND I'M UP THROUGH MARCH RIGHT NOW AND I CAME OVER THIS AFTERNOON AND MET WITH YOUR CITY MANAGER AND TALKED TO HIM. AND I WANTED TO COULD NUMBER AND

INTRODUCE MYSELF TO YOU. >>MAYOR BEAN: APPRECIATE YOU COMING BY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY? WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING. LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU

AFTER THE MEETING. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND I WILL TAKE MY LEAVE AND I HAVE A TWO-AND-A-HALF HOYER DRIVE.

[10. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

>>MAYOR BEAN: THAT IS EVERYTHING.

EVERYONE GO TO CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: REAL QUICKLY, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU UPDATES ON SOME PROJECTS. YBOR ALVAREZ SOCCER COMPLEX.

WE HAD A MEETING WITH F PARKINSON'SAA TO START A DISCUSSION OF APPROVAL TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO US.

ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS TO DEVELOP A BOUNDARY OF THE SURVEY FOR THE -- FOR THE SOCCER AREA AND LEGAL DESCRIPTION.

WE HAVE DONE THAT AND WE HAVE GOT THAT DONE.

WE WILL HAVE A MEETING WITH -- WITH FAA NEXT WEDNESDAY TO DISCUSS -- THEY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING AS FAR AS REPLACING THE SOFTBALL FIELDS.

JUST DIFFERENT QUESTIONS OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND WE WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER APPRAISAL OR IF WE DO, DO WE NEED ONE OR TWO. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING ALL THIS STUFF. WE HAVE AN E-MAIL FROM THE NASSAU COUNTY MANAGER TODAY DOING AN UPDATE TO SEE WHERE ARE WE ON OUR COST ESTIMATES BECAUSE HE IS WORKING ON HIS BUDGET DEVELOPMENTS. SO WE ARE TRYING TO REFINE SOME OF THOSE ESTIMATES AS BEST WE CAN, BUT I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.

AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT.

ELECTRICAL OVERHEAD TO UNDERGROUND CONVERSION ON FRONT STREET IS PROCEEDING. FPU WILL BE GETTING OUT TO WORK TOWARD BROOM STREET SOUTH. WE HAVE RESOLVED THE COMCAST WIRE ON THE POLLS AT NO COST TO THE CITY.

SO THAT IS A GOOD THING. A LONG, DRAWN-OUT THING AND GOT FPU TO DEAL WITH IT. WE ARE WORKING ON THE PERMIT APPLICATION OF THE RAILROAD TO THE CONDUIT UNDER THE FRONT STREETS. UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS FOR FRONT STREET. THAT WILL GO UNDERGROUND FOR THE BUSINESSES. WORKING WITH THOSE BUSINESSES TO GET THEIR ELECTRICAL LOADS THEY ARE REQUIRING.

THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. IN THE BUDGET THE SEASIDE DUNE DEVELOPMENTS. THAT IS OUT FOR BIDS.

OCTOBER 1, ONCE THE TURTLE SEASON IS OVER.

GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION PUMPS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TOO.

THE SCOPE OF WORK BEING DEVELOPED.

THE BIDS UP FOR THREE VERTICAL TURBINES AND SYSTEM CONTROLS AND GET IN HERE TEMPORARILY IF WE NEED TO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE PUMPS. FDOT CLOSURE ON THE SOUTH SIDE BETWEEN 8TH AND 10TH. I THINK YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT, SEEN THE BARRICADES BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED OF TRIPPING HAZARDS AND DANGERS. CREATE A PLAN WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. AND MR. GLISTEN AND I TALKED TO THE FDOT AND THEY ADVISED US WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND, COMMENT, THAT SORT OF THING.

THAT WILL BE COMING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

THE CITY HAS CURRENTLY TEN PROJECTS OUT OUT FOR BIDS NOW.

IT IS KINDS OF A LONG LIST OF THINGS.

MARINA DREDGING. GOLF COURSE IRRIGATION PUMPS.

ALACHUA STREET PAVING STREET. THEMECK CENTER GYMNASIUM ROOF REPAIRS, FLOORING, AND TENNIS, PICKLE AND LA CROSSE.

THE SEASIDE PARK WALKWAY. THE PARKS AND REC SKATE PARK.

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WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO GET A FORMAL VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT GOING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: ANY OPPOSITION TO THE BIKE TRAIL BEHIND O'REILLY'S. LET'S GET THAT STARTED.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE. THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE.

>> JUST SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF PROJECTS.

I JUST WANT TO MENTION GOOD JOB AND A LOT OF GOOD MOVEMENT

MOVING FORWARD. >>MAYOR BEAN: VICE-MAYOR.

>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: SORRY, CHARLIE.

>>CHARLES GEORGE: HOW IS THE FIRE STATION COME ALONG?

>>CHARLES GEORGE: IT IS GOING ALONG.

AS THINGS GET CLOSE TO THE END, THEY SLOW DOWN A BIT.

STILL UNDER BUDGET. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET SOME STUFF WRAPPED UP. ONE OF THE DELAY IS AN AT&T OVERMADE LINE ON A FPU POWER WITH THE STATION.

ALL THE PAVING INTO THERE THE ROOF ON THE BIG BUILDING.

THE DOORS ARE BEING FABRICATED SO WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE INTERIOR FINISHING PART. STILL HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO.

GENERATOR ON BACK ORDER AND WE WILL DO SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION BEFORE THE GENERATORS GETS HERE AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE MOVED IN. IT IS GETTING SLOW AND WE ARE

[11. CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS]

>>MAYOR BEAN: CITY ATTORNEY. >>TAMMI BACH: I DON'T HAVE A

REPORT. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

PIGGYBACKING OF THE LAST COMMENT FROM THE CITY MANAGER OF THE AT&T POLE. THE ISSUE IS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THERE IS -- THE CITY HAS A FRANCHISE WITH FPU WHAT FPU, ACCESSORY AND COMCAST AND AT&T AND OTHER PEOPLE TO GO ON THEIR POLES WHICH WE NEVER -- IT IS NOT IN OUR FRANCHISE.

>>TAMMI BACH: NOT IN THE OUR FRANCHISE WITH FP SHGZ.

LET ME STOP YOU BECAUSE I THOUGHT OF SOMETHING WHEN WE TALKED TODAY. UNDER THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT IN FLORIDA, IF IT WASN'T -- IF THERE WEREN'T POLE THERE IS ALREADY THAT FPUED AND PAID FOR, AT&T, COMCAST AND ANY OTHER TELECOMMUNICATION CAN COME AND PLOP THEIR POLES IN NO MATTER WHAT WE SAID. JUST PUTSING THAT OUT THERE.

AND I AM -- I AM IN -- I HAVE A CALL OUT TO AN ATTORNEY THAT I KNOW FOR A LONG TIME THAT THAT'S ALL THEY DO IS TELECOMMUNICATIONS WORK OPINION I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I

UNDER STOOD. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE REASON FOR MY CONCERN. TO MAKE A REALLY LONG STORY SHORT. AND IT IS A LONG STORY.

FPU HAS AGREED -- MOVED THE POLE.

AGREED TO MOVE THE POLE AND THEY DIDN'T CHARGE US A NICKEL.

AT&T WANTS 48,000 WHICH, OH, BY THE WAY, NOT BUDGETED FOR.

>>TAMMI BACH: YOU MEAN COMCAST. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE STATION. I AM HAPPY WITH FPU.

AT THE FIRE STATION $48,000 TO MOVE THOSE LINES.

BASICALLY MOVING SOME LINES FROM ONE POLE TO ANOTHER POLE.

AND SO -- AND PAY, RECENTLY THEY WILL NOT START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL WE -- WE PONY UP -- AGREE TO PAY THE $48,000.

MY QUESTION IS, NUMBER ONE, ARE THEY LEGALLY ALLOWED TO CHARGE US THAT $48,000? AND NUMBER TWO, WHY ISFPU -- THEY HAVE AN APRIL AGREEMENT WITH ACCESSORY POLE.

WHY ISN'T FPU AND THEM WORKING IT OUT AND WHY IS THE CITY CHARGING $48,000. I HAVE SEEN COMCAST AGREEMENT FOR ACCESSORY POLE BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN AT&T.

THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND IS THE CITY GETTING CHARGED

$48,000. >>TAMMI BACH: I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I AM GOING TO GET IT.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET IT SOON BECAUSE WE CAN'T OPEN THE FIRE STATION UNTIL WE REMOVE THE POLE THAT IS

MY FIRST QUESTION. >>CHARLES GEORGE: WE HAVE BEEN

WORK AGO IN SINCE JANUARY. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I

UNDERSTAND. >>CHARLES GEORGE: TIME SAYING

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THAT IS HOW LONG IT IS TAKING. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: MY SECOND QUESTION IS -- WE RECEIVED A LET FROM CENTER STREET RESTAURANT GROUP THAT IS ASKING US TO GO -- MAKING CERTAIN ALLEGATIONS AND ASKING US TO -- ON BEHALF OF THE RESTAURANT GROUP, AMELIA -- I WANT TO GET THE TERM RIGHT. AMELIA KITCHEN -- AMELIA RESTAURANT GROUP AND BRETT'S. THEY ARE ALL SAYING THEY WANT TO ENTER -- WANT TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM FOR DAMAGES.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE BRETT'S DOESN'T HAVE A LEASE WITH THE CITY.

THEY HAVE AN OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH AMELIA KITCHENS THAT EXPIRED YEARS AGO. NUMBER TWO, AMELIA KITCHEN HAS A LEASE WITH THE CENTER STREET RESTAURANT GROUP WHICH IS PROBABLY NO LONGER IN EFFECT. SO NUMBER THREE, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH ALL THREE ENTITIES? AND I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE IT IS COMPLICATED OR JUST GOING TO DEAL WITH ONE ENTITY.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO RESPOND TO THEIR

DEMAND. >>TAMMI BACH: I RESPONDED BEFORE I SPOKE WITH ANY OF YOU YESTERDAY.

AND I SAID MY ADVICE TO THE CITY COMMISSION WILL BE, OF COURSE, WE ARE GOING ENTERTAIN MEDIATION BEFORE WE GO INTO LITIGATION WHICH IN THIS CASE THE METHOD IS ARBITRATION.

OF COURSE WE WILL BE AMENABLE TO SITTING DOWN AND TALKING, BUT I HAVE TO TALK WITH MY CLIENT. SO HERE WE ARE.

AND I WOULD RATHER -- AND JUST GOING TO SAY THIS FOR WHAT IT IS. PLEASE NO OFFENSE.

I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN ANY MORE IN PUBLIC.

WE SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS ANY MORE IN PUBLIC.

HE THE IMMINENT THREAT OF LITIGATION.

WE CAN HAVE SHADE MEETINGS WHEN WE WANT TO.

ENOUGH TALKING ABOUT THIS IN PUBLIC.

IT IS THE CITY'S PROPERTY. WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY OWN OWNED BY THE PUBLIC, BUT THIS IS THE BEST WAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO -- WE HAVE -- WE HAVE TWO YEARS -- LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS BEFORE THE END OF THE LEASE.

THE CITY COMMISSION OR AT LEAST MOST OF THEM HAVE SAID WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS IN PUBLIC ANYMORE.

THE ENGINEER AND BUILDING OFFICIAL SAY NO MATTER WHAT WAS SAID BEFORE, THAT THE BUILDING IS NOT UNSAFE.

AND CAN BE OCCUPIED AND STAY IN BUSINESS.

IF WE ARE GOING WITH THAT. AND MEDIATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL ENTERTAIN. I KNOW YOU SAID AND I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA, AND THAT IS WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF DEMAND LETTER. A LOT OF TIMES A -- MR. TUCKER THEIR LAWYER WILL SAY I WANT $1 MILLION TO SETTLE THIS CASE AND WE WILL GO TO MEDIA IGS WITH YOU.

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT. SO I CALLED MR. TUCKER AND I HAD SAID WHAT IS YOUR DEMAND. THE DEMAND LIKE LAST YEAR, $1.6 MILLION WHICH WAS FOR THE CITY TO BUY OUT THE LEASE SO THAT THEY WOULD LEAVE EARLY, THREE YEARS EARLY.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE DOING. THIS IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY.

I TOLD MR. TUCKER, IF YOU HAVE DAMAGES, YOU HAVE TO PROVE THE DAMAGES TO THE CITY THAT THE CITY DAMAGED YOU.

OTHER THAN THAT WE WANT -- AS LONG AS THE BUILDING REMAINS SAFE TO OCCUPY, WE WANT THE LEASE TO RUN ITS NATURAL COURSE.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. AND THE REST OF OUR MEETINGS

WILL BE IN THE SHADE, PLEASE. >>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, MISS BACH. WE APPRECIATE YOU TALKING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SUCCESSFUL MEDIATION.

>>TAMMI BACH: I WILL KEEP YOU PAUL APPRISED.

GO TO COMMISSIONER AYSCUE, I HOPE IT IS TAKING THE ADVICE OF

WHATEVER SHE SAID. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: IT IS, ABSOLUTELY. WHEN WE -- I APPRECIATE M MISS BACH FOR BRINGING THAT UP. AS A COMMISSION, TALKING ABOUT THIS IN PUBLIC IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I THINK IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP TO US AND ASKS US HOW IS THE LAWSUIT GOING WITH OCEAN HIGHWAY PORT AUTHORITY. WE ARE PENDING LITIGATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD BE THE STANDARD ANSWER FROM THIS COMMISSION IS THIS IS PENDING LITIGATION. WE SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.

WE SHOULD ALLOW THE ATTORNEYS TO MITIGATE HOWEVER IT IS.

HAND THIS IS JUST KIND OF MY SUGGESTION TO THIS COMMISSION.

>>TAMMI BACH: I HAVE JUST A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS BECAUSE I

SEE YOU STEAMING OVER THERE. >> I AM NOT STEAMING.

>>TAMMI BACH: FINE. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AM NOT STEAMING. I THINK THAT IS A REALLY UNFAIR

CHARACTER STACKS. >>TAMMI BACH: THEN THAT'S ME.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT'S FINE.

I THINK IT IS FINE WHAT YOU ARE DOING ACTUALLY.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND I ALSO THINK IT IS FINE, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD GET A DEMAND FROM THEM BEFORE YOU DO ANY

MEDIATION. >>TAMMI BACH: FAIR ENOUGH.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SPENDING $1500 TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY

WANT. >>TAMMI BACH: MORE THAN THAT,

$3,000 A DAY. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: START MEDIATION AND FIND OUT WHAT WE WANT.

SPENDING MONEY FOR DOING NOTHING.

FIND OUT WHAT THEY WANT. AND, FINE, I AGREE WITH YOU

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100%. >>TAMMI BACH: WHAT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT MY BRINGING IT UP AND BASICALLY SAYING LET'S JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT IT ANYMORE IS TO PROTECT EACH OF YOU ALSO. SO FAR, WE HAVE MARCHED TOGETHER ON THIS PUB PUBLICLY TALKING ABOUT IT.

FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, WE CAN'T BRING IT UP, BECAUSE THEN YOU MAY BE ON YOUR OWN. WE ARE AGREEING AS A BODY THAT WE ARE GOING TO -- ANY -- FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, ANY SETTLEMENT, ANY ACTION THAT WE TAKE, ANY MODIFICATION TO THE LEASE WILL BE BROUGHT TO THIS BODY IN PUBLIC, DISCUSSED, AND VOTED ON AND WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED.

SO THERE IS NOTHING THAT HAPPENS.

OF COURSE IF WE HAVE ANY SHADE MEETINGS, ALL OF THOSE TRANSCRIPTS ARE AVAILABLE AT THE CONCLUSION.

YOU CAN HEAR EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE SAYING.

IN ANY OF THE MEDIATION MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WHICH ARE CONFIDENTIAL UNDER STATE LAW, NO CITY COMMISSIONER INDIVIDUAL OR CERTAINLY MORE THAN ONE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND THESE.

MYSELF AND MR. GEORGE AND IF THERE IS ANY OUTSIDE COUNSEL THAT NEED TO ASSIST US. THOSE WILL BE THE ONLY PARTIES.

AND THEN WE WOULD GO TO THOSE MEETINGS, AGAIN, IF THERE IS ANYTHING SETTLEMENT WISE ON THE CITY'S PART OR OFFER.

YOU ALL WOULD BE CONSULTED AS A BODY IN A SHADE MEETING TO PROVIDE THE AUTHORITY. WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY.

WE ARE JUST WARM BODIES THERE GOING AND SENDING A MESSAGE.

JUST SO EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT IN COMMUNITY'S APPROVAL.

>>MAYOR BEAN: PLEASE USE YOUR BEST JUDGMENT.

THANK YOU, AGAIN. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ANY COMMISSIONER WHO HAVEN'T READ THAT LETTER TO PLEASE DO.

VERIENING. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOUR LIGHT IS

[12. CITY CLERK REPORTS]

STILL ON. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: APOLOGIZE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: CLERK. >>CLERK: THANK YOU.

WE ARE IN PROCESS 3 OF THE CITY MANAGER -- PHASE THREE OF THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH COMMITTEE. PAUL MEZINGER ASSOCIATES.

THE NEXT OPTION TO FORWARD US THE CANDIDATE REPORTS AND MATERIALS TO THE CITIZEN -- TO THE CITY OF MANAGER SEARCH COMMITTEE AND WILL DO THAT AUGUST 2 AND WON'T BE A MEETING AUGUST 7 AND WILL BE MATERIALS. THE NEXT CITY MANAGER SEARCH COMMITTEE IS AUGUST 21. WITH SEPTEMBER HOPEFULLY A NEW CITY MANAGER BEING HIRED. THANK YOU.

[13. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I THINK I

SAID ENOUGH FOR ONE NIGHT. >>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS

COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: ONE SMALL REQUEST. I MET WITH A BUSINESS OWNER WITH MAYOR'S TALK AND THEY HAD CONCERNS THEY FIRST THOUGHT THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE BIKE RACKS IF THEY SEPTEMBER AN E-RACK BUSINESS. NOTHING PREVENTING THEM BUT GENERAL CONSENSUS OF US AS A COMMISSION TO CHARGE STAFF FOR ESTABLISHING PARAMETERS AND A BIKE RECOVERY I AM AWARE THAT THERE IS GIS ON THE BIKES AND LOST FOR 24 HOURS GETTING RECOVERED AND UNIFORMITY MARY JUST TO BE CLEAR AN ORDINANCE.

>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: THEY WERE UNDER THE PREGNANCY THAT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THIS GOING AND I BROUGHT THIS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ATTENTION AND SHE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY DIRECT ATTENTION ON BIKE RACKS. IF WE APPROVE A PERMIT FOR THIS BUSINESS, WHAT REGULATES BIKE RACKS IN CENTRAL LOCATIONS TO SUPPORT THE BIKING TRAILS THAT WE ARE BUILDING AND THAT IT MAY CREATE A NUISANCE JUST AS WHERE -- THE NEGATIVE SIDE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS NOT WELL MANAGED.

I WAS IN SAVANNAH AND I SAW THE BIKES ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND I WOULD LIKE TO PREVENT IN FROM HAPPENING.

>>MAYOR BEAN: BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH.

A VERY VALID POINT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT

UP ANTON. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: I WAS GOING HIM TO CLAR CLARIFY. I AM WITH YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: BIKE RACKS. I THINK I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE

TALKING ABOUT. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: THEY HAVE AN E-BIKE BUSINESS. AND HAVE CENTRAL LOCATIONS FOR THE RACKS WHERE THEY LEAVE THEM UP FOR RENTALS.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: RENTING BICYCLES.

>>MAYOR BEAN: PUBLIC PROPERTY. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: THEIR MISUNDERSTANDING BROUGHT IT IN PUBLIC PROPERTY.

I BROUGHT THAT TO TSHZ EVERTAMMI'S CONCERN AND SHE SAID NOT TRUE. WHERE TO HAVE THE CENTRAL RACKS.

WHAT ARE RESTRICTIONS IF THEY HAVE BIKES LEFT OUT FOR DAYS ON END AND HOW THIS IS UNIFORMLY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> A QUICK QUESTION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THE SMALLER SCOOTERS, BIKES THAT YOU SEE IN THE BIGGER CITIES

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WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION DO WE NEED AN ORDINANCE. WHAT KIND OF ORDINANCE DO WE NEED AND WHAT DO WE NEED IN PLACE TO FACILITATE THIS -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY RESTRICT. THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING.

>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I MEAN, BASICALLY IF YOU GO TO PARIS -- MANY, MANY CITIES ACROSS THE WORLD AND ACROSS IN COUNTRY COMMERCIAL -- BIKE RACKS. YOU RENT A BIKE.

PUT YOUR MONEY IN AND BLAH-BLAH-BLAH.

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ANYONE CAN COME IN AND PUT THEM ANYWHERE ON

CITY PROPERTY? >>TAMMI BACH: NOT A FREE-FOR-ALL. NO, IT IS NOT A FREE OPINION

FOR-ALL. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHICH WE

ARE TALKING ABOUT. >>TAMMI BACH: THAT IS IT WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT -- OKAY, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS OR THE CLOSEST EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF IS NEWS RACK. WE HAVE A NEWS RACK ORDINANCE FOR DOWNTOWN. IF THESE BUSINESSES COULD IN OTHER WORDS, THESE ARE NOT JUST A STANDARD LOCK.

TH THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF RACK. TALKING OF A CERTAIN TYPE OF RACK AND WANT IT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY BECAUSE THESE ARE THE VISIBILITY LOCATIONS. WORK ON IT.

AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT TONIGHT.

WE WILL LOOK AT ALL OF THE POSSIBILITIES.

AS WE GET MORE TRAFFIC IN TOWN AND TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES, THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEED. ALL OF US WILL BE BUZZING AROUND IN SOMETHING OTHER THAN A CAR WITH SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES HOPE. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EITHER LOCATIONS, POLICIES IN PLACE, ORDINANCES, WHATEVER.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMISSIONER I UNDERSTAND THAT IS A VALUABLE THING TO DO .WHAT WE SHOULD DO GET TAMMI AND KELLY GET TOGETHER ON CRAFTING LANGUAGE THAT MAKES SENSE AND AN UPCOMING WORKSHOP AGENDA AND HAVE DESIGNATED TIME TO DISCUSS THIS.

SOUND GOOD. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: SUNDAY TO

GREAT. >>TAMMI BACH: A SPECIFIC VENDOR.

IF YOU CAN SEND THEIR CONTACT INFO, BECAUSE WE MAY REACH OUT TO THEM FOR IDEAS AND NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE.

>>MAYOR BEAN: PERFECT. THAT MAKES SENSE.

ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: THAT'S IT.

>>MAYOR BEAN: COMMIS COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.

>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: SEND MY PRAYERS.

DALE BRADDOCK PASSED AWAY. MANY PEOPLE KNOW DALE AS AN EDUCATOR IN THIS COUNTY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, BUT DALE OR COACH B AS I CALLED HIM. WE COACHED TOGETHER MANY SEASONS OVER. AT BUCCANEER FIELD, BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL. AND HE WAS A GREAT MAN.

A GREAT MENTOR TO ME PERSONALLY. AND HE WILL BE GREATLY MISSED.

SO CONDOLENCES TO THE BRADDOCK FAMILY.

MARY MAYOR THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

VICE-MAYOR STURGES. >>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WANT TO MENTION I SIT AT MY OFFICE EVERY DAY. AND EVERY DAY, I AM NOW LOOKING AT A NEW SCENE OF NEW FENCES BEING PUT UP AT CENTRAL PARK, WHICH WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS COMING RIGHT ALONG.

AND IT IS A LONG TIME COMING. AND I THINK THAT OUR YOUTH AND OUR PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE REALLY LIKE NEW FENCES, NEW LOOK AND THE NEW STUFF THAT IS HAPPENING AT CENTRAL PARK.

SO THAT IS ONE THING I WANT TO MENTION.

AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE I AM OFF TO ORLANDO FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES NEXT WEEK WITH COMMISSIONER ANTUN.

HE WILL BE JOINING US. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON JOINING US FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

SO I WILL REPRESENT OUR CITY WITH PRIDE AND PLAN ON GOING TO ALL THE EVENTS AND WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I -- I REALLY ENJOYED IT THE ONE TIME I HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY.

AND I WANT TO DO IT AGAIN. AND REPRESENT OUR CITY WELL.

SO I PLAN ON DOING THAT. AND I WILL BE THERE FOR THE WHOLE THING. AND I AM SURE I WILL MAKE SOME GOOD CONTACTS AND MAKE A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR BEAN: THANK YOU, VICE-MAYOR.

APPRECIATE THAT. THIS PAST MONDAY I HAD THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO STAND WITH COUNTY CHAIR CLINT FARMER AND GULIGICHI APPRECIATION WEEK, THE NATION WAS THERE IN ATTENDANCE AND WHAT A GREAT DEAL TO RECOGNIZE HER AND THE PEOPLE OF THE GULAGICHI

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THEY RECENTLY ACCEPTED A REWARD FOR PLACING TOP THREE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR THE FLORIDA SAFETY CHALLENGE.

THANKS TO THE MARRED WORK OF OUR OFFICERS, OVERALL CRASHES REDUCED BY %. AND OVER 24% AND SPEED RELATED CRASHES BY 50%. WOW, OUTSTANDING NUMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HEARD WORK. AND THEN IN A SIMILAR VEIN.

SHERIFF LEAPER OF THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW, HE SAT ON THIS CHAIR. A MAYOR OF OUR TOWN.

CONGRATULATIONS MAYOR LEAPER AND HER SHERIFF LEAPER.

I WILL BE AT THE REVERSE DRAW RAFFLE.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP OUT OUR PIRATE LOCAL FOOTBALL TEAM.

COME ON DOWN AND A COOL EVENT IN OUR REC CENTER SATURDAY AT 6 P.M. WITH THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING NEW TWO WEEKS.

HAVE A GOO

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.