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I'LL CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL JULY 20TH, 2023.
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
IT'S 5:00.MISS SYLVIE, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? MEMBER KOSACK. HERE.
HERE. MEMBER POYNTER IS ABSENT.
SO IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO WELCOME MISTER NORMAN AS OUR NEWEST MEMBER.
THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING UP.
I WANT TO WE WILL GET TO AT SOME POINT SEAT AND ALTERNATE.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE. THAT CARRIES.
ARLENE YOU'RE VOTING. THANK YOU, MR. NORMAN. JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU ARE TO PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSION.
JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT VOTING DOESN'T MEAN YOU JUST.
THAT'S ALL IT MEANS IS THAT YOU'RE NOT VOTING.
UNDERSTOOD. GET THAT RIGHT SAL? CORRECT.
MEMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, STARTING WITH MISS FILKOFF.
I'VE ONLY TALKED TO SAL ABOUT THE AGENDA.
I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH JOSE MIRANDA ABOUT CASE 2020-0013.
REALLY TO UNDERSTAND WHICH WINDOWS WERE ORIGINAL AND WHICH WINDOWS WERE NEW, OR AT LEAST WHAT HE SAID SINCE HE WAS THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT.
GOTCHA. AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ILLUMINATE THAT FOR US AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I'M ONLY DISCLOSING PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WITH REGARD TO CASES, NOT DISCUSSIONS.
CITY ATTORNEY, COULD YOU PLEASE PRESENT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES? AND WE HAVE NO VARIANCES TONIGHT.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, FIRST, MR. CUMELLA WITH CITY STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD.
THOSE ARE TO BE DEEMED PART OF THE RECORD.
AND AFTER MR. CUMELLA MAKES HIS PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCES EVIDENCE, HE IS PERMITTED TO CALL ANY WITNESSES.
I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS ANY WITNESSES TONIGHT.
THE APPLICANT AND OR THEIR AGENT MAY ALSO CALL WITNESSES.
AND IF THERE ARE AFFECTED PARTIES HERE TONIGHT THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY TO BE AN AFFECTED PARTY.
AND SO THEY WOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, NAME AND ADDRESS, IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS AN AFFECTED PARTY.
YOU'RE NOT LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GET TO SPEAK.
AND AFFECTED PARTIES MAY ALSO CALL WITNESSES.
SO EVERYBODY GETS TO PARTICIPATE TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY WISH.
IF THERE IS AN APPEAL OF YOUR DECISION TONIGHT, THAT APPEAL HAS TO BE FILED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE CHAIR SIGNING THE WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT, WHICH IS USUALLY WITHIN A COUPLE BUSINESS DAYS.
SO ABOUT 30 PLUS A FEW DAYS IS THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE TO FILE IN CIRCUIT COURT.
AFTER THAT TIME, THERE'S NO CHANCE TO APPEAL THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD.
SO DID I MISS ANYTHING? AND WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
COUNCIL FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF, SAY, SOMETHING IN OLD TOWN, WOULD THEY NEED TO BE SWORN IN TONIGHT? NO. IT'S NOT A CASE.
IT'S ON SIXTH STREET, I BELIEVE.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS FIRST, THEY'RE LISTED AS PRESENTATIONS.
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S INFORMATION AND IF YOU WISH TO TAKE IT, YOU'RE NOT VOTING.AND I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH OR DECISIONS.
GO AHEAD. SO THE CITIZENS OF OLD TOWN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT NONE OF US CAN SAY ANYTHING? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.
I WAS ASKING WHO NEEDED TO BE SWORN.
RIGHT? RIGHT. AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CASE, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SWORN.
THIS BOARD IS GOING TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
OH, ABSOLUTELY. OH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND IF WE WEREN'T WELL, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE IN A MEETING WHERE I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN.
WELL, I'M PRETTY SURE EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT.
I BELIEVE MR. LASSERRE IS HERE FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU WANT ME TO REPEAT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES? NO, YOU DON'T.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU STAY THEN.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE SWORN AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MEETING MINUTES OF JUNE THE 15TH? [INAUDIBLE].ALL GOOD. TAMMI. YOU USUALLY GOT AN EAGLE EYE NOW.
OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE MINUTES, PLEASE.
ANY DISCUSSION? MISS SYLVIE, YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
MEMBER KOSACK? YES. MEMBER POZZETTA? YES. FILKOFF.
YES. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO A DISCUSSION OF HARDSCAPE MATERIALS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
[4.1 HARDSCAPE MATERIALS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT - Jeremiah Glisson, Public Works Operations Director]
JEREMIAH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. CATHY, I UNDERSTAND JEREMIAH IS OUT.DEPUTY. IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
YES, SIR. DEPUTY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR CATHY SABATTINI.
YOU MAY SEE DOWNTOWN, WHAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE AS YOU GO DOWNTOWN, THERE'S MORE THAN SEVEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIDEWALK MATERIALS. AND BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE ALWAYS GO OUR TRIED AND TRUE ROUTES, WE MAY NOT SEE ALL THESE MATERIALS, BUT TAKE A WALK AND SEE WHAT.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE.
YEAH. WELL, THIS HODGEPODGE OF MATERIALS MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN, PLUS IT KIND OF IS INCONSISTENT AND UNAPPEALING LOOK, NOW THE ORDER OF THESE MATERIALS IS IN NO ORDER SAYING, HEY, WE WANT THIS ONE.
THIS IS JUST A IDENTIFY SOME OF THESE MATERIALS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH.
THE FIRST ONE IS BRUSHED CONCRETE.
IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE AND IT'S THE STANDARD THROUGH MOST OF THE CITY.
SO EVERYONE HAS SEEN THIS BEFORE.
SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN IS THIS RIVER ROCK.
OPERATOR ERROR. I'LL USE MY ARROW KEY INSTEAD.
IT'S VERY DURABLE, BUT IF YOU NOTICED SOME OF THOSE AREAS, LIKE HERE AND HERE, THAT'S WHERE IT'S BECAUSE WHERE WE'VE HAD TO REMOVE TRIP HAZARDS OR WE'VE CLEANED IT SO MUCH IT'S TORN AWAY THE TOP LAYERS.
AND THIS WAS INSTALLED BACK IN THE 90S.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO REPLACE THIS ONCE IT'S REMOVED.
THIS IS THEIR LATEST INSTALLATION.
IT'S A CONCRETE COQUINA AGGREGATE.
THIS IS DOWN NEAR THE RIVERWALK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE DOWN THAT WAY, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK.
IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING PRODUCT AND IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE DOING IS SUBSTITUTING ROCK INSTEAD OF THE [INAUDIBLE], SUBSTITUTING THE ROCK AGGREGATE WITH SHELL. VERY NICE LOOK.
AND IT'S WE'VE SO FAR HAD GOOD FEEDBACK ABOUT HOW IT'S HOLDING UP.
YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN VARIOUS AREAS WHERE WE HAD TO TAKE UP THE HEXAGONAL PAVERS.
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THOSE HEXAGONAL PAVERS THAT WERE REMOVED WERE WHERE AREAS WHERE IT WAS HARD AND DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN.AND WE HAD TO DO THAT BASED ON A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RULING BACK IN THE 90S FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.
SO WE HAD TO MAKE OUR SIDEWALKS SAFE FOR EVERYONE.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN STAMPED BRICK IN VARIOUS AREAS.
THIS MATERIAL IS VERY INTERESTING.
WHEN IT'S FIRST PUT DOWN, IT LOOKS GOOD.
BRICK PAVERS. THESE ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS TO SEE WHEN I GO DOWNTOWN.
YOU'LL SEE THEM AT ALL THE CROSSWALKS.
THOSE ARE THE ORIGINAL BRICKS.
AND THEY WERE SET IN CONCRETE TO MAKE THEM STAY A LOT LONGER.
AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO MAINTAIN.
YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHY IT SAYS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
THEY'VE LEARNED THAT HEX PAVERS CRACK AS THE ONE YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE.
SO THEY'VE MADE MAKING THEM STURDIER NOW.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE REMOVED A LOT OF THESE IN THE 90S DUE TO THE ADA ISSUES WE ARE FACING.
AND WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A QUESTION? YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE NEW GENERATION OF PAVERS ARE MORE DURABLE THAN THE PREVIOUS? THEY'RE MADE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE DOWN.
SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO PUT HEX PAVERS DOWN, THEY AREN'T GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THESE.
BUT, THEY WOULD BE MORE DURABLE? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN.
AND WE WON'T GET RESPONSES BACK TO THAT TILL SECOND WEEK IN AUGUST.
OKAY. THANK YOU. WE MEET THE THIRD WEEK OF AUGUST.
AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I'M BACK TO THE FRONT.
THIS HE DID THE SAME SLIDE ON THE FRONT.
LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE A BID OUT SO WE CAN FIND THE PRICING.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR OUR DOWNTOWN WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE KNOW WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE RIVER ROCK ONES TO GET TO THE ELECTRICAL BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO REPLACE THAT OLD ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.
DO YOU HAVE A MAP THAT TELLS US WHERE THE VARIOUS MATERIALS ARE AT THIS TIME? THE PRESENTATION DOES LAY OUT WHERE SOME OF THOSE ARE.
BUT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
NO, I MEAN LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE BLOCK BY BLOCK SURVEY OF WHAT'S DOWN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT JEREMIAH WANT THAT DETAIL.
YOU HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE RIGHT NOW AND YOU ALSO HAVE SOME ACROSS NEAR THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, RIGHT, THE ONES BY THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH I DO REMEMBER THOSE BECAUSE MAYBE 3 TO 4 YEARS AGO WE HAD TO REINSTALL THOSE WITH A SUBSTRATE.
AND I DROVE BY THERE BEFORE COMING HERE BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS, OKAY, HOW ARE THOSE HOLDING UP? I SEE A LOT OF GAPS, LADIES COMING OUT OF CHURCH WITH HEELS.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR HEELS CAUGHT IN SOME OF THOSE GAPS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO AVOID WITH THE MATERIALS AS WE GO FORWARD.
WE WANT TO KEEP OUR SIDEWALKS SAFE FOR EVERYONE.
IN FRONT OF THE THE LESESNE HOUSE.
YES. AND WE DO HAVE THEM MAPPED OUT THERE.
SO MAYBE WE COULD SEE THAT IN AUGUST.
YEAH, I CAN BRING THAT TO YOU. THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND YOU'RE OUT FOR BID ON PAVERS AND YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE COST IS OF THE OTHER MATERIALS.
YES, JEREMIAH HAS THOSE COSTS.
SO MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN AUGUST IF IT WORKS FOR YOU.
OKAY. AND SAL HE'S GOT A FULL AGENDA.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. BUT BOARD MEMBERS, IS THAT OKAY? DO YOU WANT IT AS LIKE AN JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM WITHIN YOUR PACKET OR DO YOU WANT A PRESENTATION? THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU AND JEREMIAH TO FIGURE OUT? I'M I DON'T LIKE DRAGGING PUBLIC SERVANTS IN UNLESS THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CATHY? ONE LAST QUESTION, PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE BID, BUT THE BID IS AVAILABLE.
YEAH. THEN YOU COULD READ THE SPECIFICS.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. MR. GEORGE IS GOING TO COME UP AND AND PROVIDE US SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT LAST POINT, I THINK, AND IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
[4.2 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR DOWNTOWN -Charlie George, Interim City Manager]
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THANK YOU, CATHY. WE SURE APPRECIATE IT.AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SOON.
CHARLIE GEORGE, INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
YES, PLEASE. THE BIDS DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THE CROSSWALKS.
YEAH, THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE PRETTY FAMOUS.
YEAH. AND YEAH, THEY'D BE HARD TO TAKE UP.
NOT GOING TO GO. IT SLOWS DOWN.
THEY JUST. THEY'VE BEEN THERE SO LONG.
YOU, REMOVE THAT SUB BASE WHEN YOU TAKE THEM OUT YOU NEVER GET IT BACK THE WAY IT WAS.
SO THE RFP SO I'M UNDERSTANDING IS IT JUST IS IT A SQUARE FOOTAGE, LABOR AND MATERIALS OR HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED SPECIFIC BECAUSE WE GOT SO MANY AREAS.
WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS BASICALLY GET A SQUARE COST PER SQUARE FOOT.
SO AND IT INCLUDES THE PAVERS, THE SUB BASE, THE BEDDINGS SAND AND THE JOINT SAND.
AND THE INSTALLATION? AND THE INSTALLATION AND THE OTHER THING IS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME YOU DO ALL THAT AND ABOUT THE DURABILITY, THESE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE NOW ARE ABOUT 1 3/4 INCH THICK PAVERS.
THE NEW STANDARD IS ABOUT 2.5 INCHES.
SO IT KIND OF GIVES IT A LITTLE BIT THICKER.
SO IT BREAKS THAT STRENGTHENS THAT SHEAR STRENGTH OF THE CRACKING.
IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE INSTALLING, RIVERSIDE, SAL? CORRECT? YEAH, THOSE ARE THE THE NEW.
THE NEW STANDARD. THE NEW VERSION. YEAH.
YEAH. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HAS BEEN DOING.
OKAY. JUST REAL QUICKLY, JUST KIND OF LEAD INTO THAT.
AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET IS OUT FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
IT'S STILL TENTATIVE AT THE STATE.
SO THERE'S THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT GETS ADDED, WHAT DOESN'T.
AS YOU KNOW, THE 2023 BUDGET, THIS CURRENT BUDGET HAD A MILLAGE RATE OF 5.3330.
THE ROLLBACK, THE ROLLBACK RATE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 4.8298 MILLAGE.
AND IF A NON HOMESTEADED, IT WOULD DECREASE BY $19 PER $100,000.
SO THERE IS THERE IS A DECREASE FOR TAXES.
SO THAT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU JUST A REAL FAST AND FURIOUS CONVERSATION ON THAT.
THE MAIN THING THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY IS FOCUSED ON AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE DEDUCTION, NOT DEDUCTIONS, BUT THE CHANGES WE HAD TO MAKE FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET TO THIS COMING YEAR'S BUDGET TO GET TO THAT ROLLBACK RATE.
FROM Y'ALL'S STANDPOINT, IT'S PRIMARILY THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE DOWNTOWN LIGHTING IS A LINE ITEM IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WE ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED IN THE CAPITAL PLAN, FIVE YEAR PLAN TO HAVE $200,000 A YEAR SCHEDULED FOR DOWNTOWN LIGHTING FOR FIVE YEARS.
WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO IS THIS COMING YEAR IT'S 125,000.
GOTCHA. BUT THE $200,000 THAT WE GOT FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR, WE'VE ONLY SPENT 70.
SO THERE'S 130 ROLLING INTO THE NEXT YEAR FOR THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO SHOW ROUGHLY SOMEWHERE OVER $300,000 IS WHAT THE COST WILL BE.
THE NEXT IS THE SIDEWALKS AND STREETSCAPES THAT GOT CUT PRETTY HARD.
WE HAD PLANNED $100,000 AND IT'S CUT IN HALF TO 50.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MAIN THING THERE.
BUT AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS TAKE ALL OF THAT AND IT'S GOING TO BE FOCUSED IN THE DOWNTOWN STREETS.
IT'S GOING TO BE FRONT STREET, SECOND STREET, PORTIONS OF ASH AND THIRD STREET.
SO WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OTHER THINGS.
AND WITH THE ROLLOVERS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME HELP TO DO THAT.
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QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE? YES, CHARLIE, THE LIGHTHOUSE GETS NO RENOVATION.OKAY. SOMETIMES I FORGET ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT'S IN THE DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TO THAT BUILDING, TO THAT SITE? DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S IN DANGER NOW OR? NO, WE DID AN ASSESSMENT.
THE STRUCTURAL DAMAGE THAT'S OCCURRED IS NOT THREATENING.
IT CAN BE FIXED. IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S DEGRADING THE MORTAR.
BUT YEAH, WE DO HAVE MONEY ABOUT $130,000 TO DO IT THIS COMING YEAR.
OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. GEORGE? I HAVE A QUESTION, CHARLIE.
SO ON THE LIGHTING PROJECT THAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE AND THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE'VE TALKED BEFORE, HERE, ARE ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS INCLUDED ON THAT BUDGET OR ? THE LIGHTING IS. THE LIGHTING IS.
THE LIGHTING IS YEAH, WE'VE GOTTEN THE DESIGN STARTED FOR THE LIGHTING.
WE'VE, KIND OF GONE THROUGH THE PLANS.
WE'VE STILL GOT TO LOOK AT SOME PHOTO METRICS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO KIND OF WORK ALL THAT OUT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE STEPS WE'LL BE TAKING GOING FORWARD WITH THAT.
THE ISSUE WITH THE LIGHTING, THOUGH, IS TO DO THE LIGHTING.
WE'VE GOT TO TEAR THE SIDEWALKS UP.
WE GOT TO TEAR THE LANDSCAPING UP.
SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PLANS TO DO ALL THAT IN A SEQUENCE.
SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED. SO THE SIDEWALKS THAT IF WE WENT WITH WHATEVER OPTION THAT YOU PRESENTED, THE REPLACEMENT OF ALL THE AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IS THAT INCLUDED ON THIS BUDGET OR NOT? NO, NO, IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE THINKING ON THE SIDEWALKS FOR THIS COMING YEAR.
THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, I GUESS, TO DIRECT TO US.
OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS PRETTY CRITICAL TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I KNOW YOU HAD TO DO IT, BUT I HATE WHEN WE APPEAR TO BE PUTTING THE DATA OUT THERE IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON MONEY ALONE, BECAUSE THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY IS REALLY WHAT MAKES IT TICK.
AND I THINK THAT THE WORST THING THAT WE COULD DO IS LITTLE BY LITTLE EAT AWAY AT THAT.
AND THEN WE SUDDENLY MADE A DECISION THAT AFFECTS ALL THE REST OF IT WITHOUT REALIZING IT.
AND THAT IS REALLY HARMFUL TO THE FUTURE OF THIS AREA THAT WE'VE ALL SPENT SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO PROTECT AND THAT PEOPLE ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1905 SPENT TRYING TO PROTECT IT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IN THE 70S, EVERYBODY WAS LET'S PROTECT IT.
AND THEIR MISSION IN THE 70S, THEIR STATED MISSION WAS TO PROMOTE HISTORIC TOURISM.
RIGHT. AND THAT IS THE REASON THAT PEOPLE GIVE FOR COMING BACK.
THEY COME FOR THE BEACH, THEY COME BACK FOR THE DOWNTOWN.
SO I WORRY THAT THIS DECISION ABOUT HEX PAVERS, ABOUT LANDSCAPING, ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO DOWNTOWN IS BEING MADE ABSENT THE THOUGHT OF WHAT SITS ON TOP OF IT.
THIS UMBRELLA OF HISTORY IS CRITICAL FOR HERE.
BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
MY HUSBAND WOULDN'T LIVE THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE.
[LAUGHTER] SO I JUST WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT ANY DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE ABOUT THIS HAVE ENOUGH COMMUNITY INPUT THAT IT'S NOT JUST A SINGLE PERSON OR A SINGLE DEPARTMENT MAKING A DECISION.
IF THE COMMISSION IS FACED WITH THIS, I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
CORRECT. WHAT IF IT MEANS THAT WE MAKE A DECISION TO GET RID OF OUR HEX PAVERS BASED ON MONEY ALONE THEY'RE THE COMMISSION THAT GOT RID OF THE HISTORY, ARE THEY READY TO ACCEPT THAT? SURE. SO I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS GROUP, SINCE WE'RE MAIN STREET AND THIS GROUP ARE THE TWO OFFICIAL
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GROUPS ASSOCIATED WITH PRESERVATION, AND THIS ONE ESPECIALLY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CITY.SO I THINK WE NEED TO GET ON BOARD WITH WHAT ARE WE DOING DOWNTOWN? WE CAN'T DO THIS PIECEMEAL.
YEP. IF I LOOKED AT THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLAN THAT WOULD ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
ONE, AS MY 35 YEARS AS A CONSULTING ENGINEER, I HATE IT WHEN PROJECTS WERE DRIVEN BY MONEY.
I HATE IT BECAUSE ENGINEERS WANT TO DO THE PROJECT, DO IT RIGHT, GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
AND WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WELL, YOU CAN ONLY DO A THIRD OF IT, IT JUST TAKES AWAY THE ENERGY.
AND THAT'S WHERE A COMMISSION'S GOT TO DECIDE WHAT THE PRIORITY IS.
I GUESS MY APPEAL TO YOU, CHARLIE, IS THAT YOU ENSURE IN YOUR MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS OUR HISTORY.
IT INCREASES OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
SO IT HELPS BUSINESS OWNERS, IT HELPS OUR TAX BASE AND IT HELPS OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE.
SO, I MEAN, IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING AND IT IS LIKE A ONE CUT AT A TIME, A THOUSAND DEATHS.
WE TAKE SOMETHING OUT. WE HAVE WE LOOK AT THAT AGGREGATE THAT THEY PUT IN.
I WANT TO KNOW WHO DID THAT. IT'S IMPORTANT. I WANT TO MEET THE PERSON THAT CAME UP WITH THAT ONE.
WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY WHAT'S ON MY MIND, I GUESS.
BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE YOU CAN'T IGNORE THE TOTAL COST AND THE MAINTENANCE COST. AND I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS AS PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
AND IF IT'S CLOSE, THEN IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE.
BUT IF IT'S. NOT ASKING US TO SPEND A BAJILLION DOLLARS ON THIS, BUT WHAT I AM ASKING US TO DO IS TAKE THE DECISION SERIOUSLY AS HAVING MORE FINGERS AND LEGS AND ARMS AND TOES THAN IT DOES JUST ONE VIEW OF IT.
AND IF YOU DON'T FUND THE MAINTENANCE, YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT TACTILE DIFFERENCE IN THE EXPERIENCE OF WALKING ACROSS BRUSHED CONCRETE VERSUS WALKING ACROSS THOSE PAVERS.
AND IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT VISITORS TO OUR ISLAND, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT FULLY AWARE OF IT, THERE IS A MEMORY OF WALKING OUR STREETS AND EXPERIENCING THEM IN A CERTAIN WAY THAT IF WE JUST RIP AWAY ALL THE PAVERS AND PAVE IT WITH BRUSHED CONCRETE, THAT'S GONE AND IT'S GONE FOREVER. AND PEOPLE MAY NOT DIRECTLY UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT IS A TACTILE EXPERIENCE THAT PEOPLE WILL REGISTER AND IT WILL CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE HERE.
YOU MENTIONED THE COST OF MAINTENANCE AND SO ON.
BUT IMAGINE WE'VE SEEN THE PHOTOS OF JUST A COUPLE OF DECADES AGO WITHOUT THE TREES.
IMAGINE, IMAGINE MAIN STREET, CENTER STREET WITHOUT THE TREES.
RIGHT. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD BRING FIRST, I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE POT EVERYWHERE, I THINK WE HAVE TO FOCUS IN THE MAIN AREAS, MAIN SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTING, THE SIDEWALKS, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE CRITICAL. AND GET THOSE FIXED INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT HERE AND A LITTLE BIT THERE, BECAUSE AT THE END, WE'RE JUST PUSHING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, FIXING 1 OR 2.
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WELL, AND THE ONE THING ON THE ON THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION WITH THE LIGHTING AND THE LANDSCAPING AND THE PAVERS AND ALL THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT LIKE ONE BLOCK AT A TIME ANYWAY JUST FOR DISRUPTION.SO IT'S A LONG PROCESS TO GET IT DONE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE 4 OR 5 YEARS, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SAY IT'S ALL DONE.
RIGHT. EXACTLY. CHARLIE, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION.
DO THE GRANITE CURBS GO AWAY IF WE DO AWAY WITH HEX PAVERS? NO, I WOULDN'T THINK SO.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, WE JUST HAVE TO PLAN HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK.
AND THEY MAY BE IN CERTAIN AREAS WHERE THERE'S NO CURBS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE STRAIGHT AND YOU CAN MAKE THEM WORK, AND THEN YOU TRANSITION TO SOMETHING ELSE AND THEN YOU COME BACK TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE OUT OF THE CURVE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO BE THOUGHT OUT.
AND HAVE WE GONE AND TALKED TO PEOPLE DOWN IN RIVERSIDE OR AVONDALE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOWN THERE? AVONDALE IS FULL OF PAVERS.
OH, I'VE SEEN THE PHOTOS AND I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE PLANS, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ACTUALLY DOWN THERE.
BUT I'VE SEEN THEM IN OTHER PLACES.
WOULD THAT BE. WE ALREADY HAVE. WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO LATE, BUT I SENT ALONG SOME WEBSITES TO SAL AND HE CAN DISTRIBUTE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY OF SAINT PETE.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A RESURGENCE OF INTEREST IN REINSTALLING THESE IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, MANY, MANY COMPANIES ARE NOW REISSUING AND MAKING THEM.
SO OUR DATA MIGHT EVEN BE OLD IF IT WAS FROM A YEAR AGO.
IF IT HAS A SLAB OR A SOLID BASE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE.
I'M ALL FOR IT. AND THEY HAVE THEM.
YOU CAN DO A GEO-TECH UNDERNEATH IT.
YEAH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF GEO GRIDS.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS. OKAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE SURE APPRECIATE YOUR WE WE APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM AND FOR.
[LAUGHTER] DEDICATION THEN. YOUR DEDICATION FOR OUR CITY.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HE'LL BE BACK, TRUST ME.
OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON TO HDC CASE 2020-0013 COAST HOMES AGENT FOR SUSAN DORNER 6006 CEDAR STREET.
[5.1 HDC 2020-0013 - COAST HOMES LLC, AGENT FOR SUSAN DORNER, 606 CEDAR STREET AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT to previously approved COA to replace 17 windows. (Quasi-Judicial)]
AND AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED COA REPLACE 17 WINDOWS.GOOD EVENING. I'M SAL CUMELLA HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO CASE HDC 2020-0013.
IT'S A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 606 CEDAR STREET, CONSTRUCTED IN 1909.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS THAT CORNER LOT THERE AT CEDAR AND SIXTH.
SO THE HDC GRANTED THE ORIGINAL COA JULY 16TH, 2020.
SO THOSE WERE APPROVED TO BE REMOVED.
THEY WERE APPROVED TO BE REPLACED WITH TWO NEW WINDOWS.
THEY WERE, ANDERSON 400 SERIES WINDOWS AND A NEW DOOR TO MATCH THE EXISTING IN SCALE AND DESIGN.
DURING CONSTRUCTION, ALL THE WINDOWS IN THE HOME WERE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH MARVIN ELEVATE WINDOWS, WHICH INCLUDED 16 WINDOWS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF THE COA OR ITS BUILDING PERMIT.
ON MAY 1ST, 2023, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER AND THE CONTRACTOR WAS NOTIFIED.
THE APPLICANT IS NOW SEEKING AN AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THE REPLACEMENT.
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THE 16 WINDOW REPLACEMENT IN ADDITION TO THE TWO NEW WINDOWS THAT WERE APPROVED TO GO IN.THOSE ARE WHAT WAS APPROVED ORIGINALLY.
THE GREEN IS THE APPROVED CONDITION.
SO YOU SEE THAT GOT BUMPED OUT.
THERE WERE TWO NEW WINDOWS ADDED IN AND ALSO A NEW DOOR OFF THE BACK IN ORANGE ARE THE OTHER WINDOWS THAT WERE REPLACED.
WHEN ANALYZING THE REQUEST, WE DO LOOK AT OUR GUIDELINES FOR WINDOW REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS, WHICH IS WHAT OUR GUIDELINES ARE BASED ON.
NUMBER TWO IS RETAINING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER SO THAT DOESN'T MEET REMOVING THE WINDOWS IS NEVER THE PREFERRED OPTION WHOLESALE REMOVAL, REALLY.
WE LIKE TO LOOK AT THE WINDOWS KIND OF ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
WHEN LOOKING AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AGAIN, NUMBER FIVE IS THAT DISTINCTIVE FINISHES, FEATURES AND CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES SHALL BE PRESERVED SO IT DOESN'T MEET THAT ONE.
WHERE THE SEVERITY OF DETERIORATION REQUIRES REPLACEMENT OF A DISTINCTIVE FEATURE, THAT NEW FEATURE SHALL MATCH THE OLD AND DESIGN, COLOR, TEXTURE AND OTHER VISUAL QUALITIES, AND WHERE POSSIBLE MATERIALS.
SO WE DO ALLOW FOR REPLACEMENT WHEN WINDOWS ARE BEYOND REPAIR.
WE JUST HAVE TO SEE THAT THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD TO REPAIR THE WINDOWS AND THEY'RE NOT REPAIRABLE, IN WHICH CASE WE CAN THEN ISSUE A COA TO REPLACE WITH THE SAME THING.
ALSO NINE AND TEN, THIS WASN'T MEETING WHICH IS THAT ALTERATIONS, ADDITIONS AND RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL NOT DESTROY HISTORIC MATERIALS THAT CHARACTERIZE THE PROPERTY AND THAT NEW ADDITIONS AND ADJACENT AND RELATED NEW CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE UNDERTAKEN IN A MANNER THAT IF REMOVED IN THE FUTURE, THE ESSENTIAL FORM AND INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC PROPERTY IN ITS ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE UNIMPAIRED.
SO AGAIN, WHEN ANALYZING IT, WE DO PUT APPLICANTS IN THEIR APPLICATION ON ALERT THAT IF THEY NEED TO VARY FROM THE SCOPE OF THEIR COA, WE DO ISSUE CHANGES TO COAS CERTAIN THINGS.
IF SOMEBODY CHANGES A COLOR OR A MANUFACTURER COME BACK AS STAFF LEVEL APPROVALS TO BOARD COAS, LARGER THINGS ON THE MATRIX WOULD THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR BOARD RECONSIDERATION OF CHANGES AND WE DO SEE THAT FROM TIME TO TIME.
WHEN LOOKING AT REMOVING WINDOWS THE TWO THINGS THAT STAFF ALWAYS LOOKS AT FIRST ARE, ARE THOSE WINDOWS BEING REPLACED ORIGINAL TO THE STRUCTURE? AND THE SECOND IS IF THEY ARE ORIGINAL, CAN THEY BE REPAIRED? SO LOOKING AT WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION STAFF COULDN'T DETERMINE THAT THE WINDOWS WERE NOT ORIGINAL OR COULDN'T BE REPAIRED.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BASED ON WHAT WE RECEIVED IN THIS INITIAL SUBMITTAL, IS THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDING THAT THE 16 WINDOWS THAT WERE REMOVED WITHOUT THE COA BE REPLACED WITH WOOD DOUBLE HUNG TRUE, DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS IN A TWO OVER TWO CONFIGURATION WITH SALVAGED HISTORIC GLASS AND ALSO THE TRIM THAT GOES WITH THE WINDOWS BE REPLICATED TO MATCH WHAT WAS THERE ORIGINALLY.
I WILL SAY IN TALKS WITH THE APPLICANT'S AGENT.
WE DO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE SOME OTHER EVIDENCE THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENTING TONIGHT TO SHOW THAT SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS AREN'T OR WEREN'T ORIGINAL AT THE TIME THEY WERE REMOVED. SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US SOME EVIDENCE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE EXACTLY IN THAT, BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TONIGHT.
THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING EITHER DENIAL OF THIS AMENDMENTS TO HDC 2020-0013 OR APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS TO HDC 2020-0013 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE 16 WINDOWS REMOVED
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WITHOUT A COA BE REPLACED WITH THE WOOD DOUBLE HUNG TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOWS IN A TWO OVER TWO CONFIGURATION WITH SALVAGED HISTORIC GLASS AND THE WOOD WINDOW TRIM BE INSTALLED TO REPLICATE THE TRIM THAT WAS REMOVED.THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR MR. CUMELLA? SAL IF YOU ARE OF THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED, IF THIS AMENDMENT IS DENIED, WHAT HAPPENS? HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN? IF THE AMENDMENT IS DENIED? IT WOULD THEN GO TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR COA.
BUT ULTIMATELY, WHEN IT GOT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, THEY WOULD SAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS COME INTO COMPLIANCE? AND IF THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS ARE GONE, THERE IS NO BRINGING BACK THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
SO THEY WOULD PROBABLY END UP HERE AGAIN.
YES, WHICH IS WHY I'VE ADDED THE SECOND.
THAT'S THE ONLY REALISTIC WAY, I THINK, TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
YOU CAN'T COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS.
SO I KNOW I'VE ASKED THIS BEFORE ON OTHER PROJECTS, BUT WHAT IS THERE A MECHANISM IN PLACE SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE'S WORKING ON THEIR HOUSE AND THEY CHANGE THE SCOPE AND IT GOES OVER TO BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ARE YOU, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF HDC NOTIFIED THAT, HEY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE? THEY DIDN'T ASK. YES.
IN THIS CASE THERE WASN'T A CHANGE TO THE BUILDING PERMIT.
BUT BUT YES, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOES CHECK THAT ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY CHECK IS, IS IT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? IF THEY SEE THAT IT IS, THEY DON'T CONTINUE PROCESSING A CHANGE ON THE PERMIT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CUMELLA? MARVIN ELEVATE IS THAT IN OUR APPROVED? IT IS ON THE APPROVED LIST.
YES. SO IF THEY COME IN AND DEMONSTRATED THAT THE WINDOWS HAD FAILED BEYOND RESTORATION CAPACITY.
CORRECT. THEY APPLIED FOR THESE WINDOWS, THEY WOULD HAVE GOT THEM? CORRECT. YES. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE LOOK AT IS, ARE THEY ORIGINAL TO BEGIN WITH? IF THEY'RE NOT, WELL, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY A LOSS TO LOSE EITHER A VINYL WINDOW.
SOMETIMES WE SEE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE ACROSS THE STREET AT 232.
YEAH. THE SECOND IS IF IT IS AN ORIGINAL WINDOW, CAN IT BE FIXED? THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE TAKEN APART AND IN PIECES AND BE REPAIRED.
SOMETIMES THEY ARE BEYOND REPAIR.
AND THEN WE LOOK TO HAVE THE SAME DESIGN, SAME MATERIALS RECREATED IN NEW SASHES.
AND IT'S INTERESTING HOW THE RESTORED WINDOWS BLEND PRETTY WELL WITH THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
YOU CAN TELL THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
YEAH, BUT FROM A QUICK GLANCE, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN NOTICE.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE IN THAT CASE, THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS HAVE BEEN RESTORED ON THE ADDITIONS WHERE THOSE THERE WERE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, THEY PULLED THEM OUT TO PUT IN MORE APPROPRIATE WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE ORIGINALS.
IT DOES LOOK GREAT. IF WE'RE DONE WITH SAL, I'M GOING TO CALL UP MR. LASSERRE. COME ON UP.
IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, BUT WE GOT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD.
IS IT OKAY IF I CLOSE THIS RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SEEING ME TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS JON LASSERRE. I'M WITH THE FIRM ROGERS TOWERS.
OUR ADDRESS IS 960185 GATEWAY BOULEVARD, SUITE 203, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING MISS SUSAN DORNER, THE APPLICANT IN THE MATTER.
AND SO I'M IN COMMUNICATION WITH HER BY TEXT.
I THINK EVERYBODY CAN HAVE A SIGH OF RELIEF THAT THOSE.
ALL RIGHT, SO IF WE CAN START WITH THE OWNER'S STATEMENT.
SURE. I WANTED TO START THE MEETING BY OR OUR PRESENTATION BY JUST EXPRESSING HER STATEMENT HERE, WHICH SHE'D LIKE TO MAKE TO YOU ALL, WHICH I REALIZE IS NOT EXACTLY EVIDENCE, BUT WANTS TO ESTABLISH WHAT HER DEMEANOR IS ABOUT THE WHOLE MATTER.
AND I'M GOING TO READ IT FOR YOU.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO START BY FORMALLY APOLOGIZING TO THIS COMMITTEE.
AND IT IS MY GOAL TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY AND HISTORIC DISTRICT.
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IT IS MY GOAL TO FIX THIS.I FOUND A HOME IN FERNANDINA HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I WISH I HAD A GREAT EXCUSE TO GIVE YOU, BUT THAT WOULD WASTE ALL OF YOUR TIME.
AND I MADE A VERY INCORRECT ASSUMPTION THAT LED ME HERE.
I FREAKED. THE FOUNDATION WAS ROTTEN AND THE EAST WALL WAS DISINTEGRATING.
SO I THOUGHT THAT I COULD REPLACE ALL WINDOWS WITH ONE OF THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WERE APPROVED.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME THE CHANCE TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION.
SO I JUST WANT TO START WITH THAT.
AND SO SHE NOW UNDERSTANDS THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE AND WANTS TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION IN A WAY THAT IS UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR, AND TO MAKE RIGHT, SO TO SPEAK, AS BEST THAT WE CAN WITH THE SITUATION THAT WE REALLY CAN'T UNDO.
SO ANOTHER THING I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF START OFF WITH IS THAT WE REALLY YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH MS. BACH, MR. CUMELLA, AND JUST DISCUSS THE MATTER AND WHERE WE ARE AND KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS TO HOPEFULLY RECTIFY THE SITUATION.
AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THIS TONIGHT, THE MEETING TONIGHT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION AND WE WERE GIVEN YOU NEED TO GO OUT, FIND OUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO BUILD REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, ONES THAT ARE AS SAL'S RECOMMENDED IN HIS STAFF REPORT TO REPLACE THEM AS BEST AS THEY CAN BE WITH AUTHENTIC WINDOWS THAT ARE MORE LIKE THE ONES THAT WERE THERE BUT NEW. AND SO WE UNDERTOOK THAT EFFORT.
WE ATTEMPTED TO DETERMINE WHICH HOW MANY OF THE WINDOWS OF THE ORIGINAL 16 WERE, IN FACT ORIGINAL.
WE BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER THERE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU SHORTLY.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, SUSAN, WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THIS NOW.
AND SO WE'D BE READY TO COME HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, TO AVOID A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AND HOPEFULLY WORK OUT A SITUATION THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE MATTER AND LET HER CONTRACTOR GET BACK TO WORK, LET HER GET INTO HER HOME, AND LET US PUT THIS ALL BEHIND US AND MOVE ON.
SO TONIGHT WE ANTICIPATED TONIGHT TO BE A DISCUSSION MOSTLY, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE NOW .
IF WE COULD REACH AN AGREEMENT THAT'D BE GREAT.
BUT IDEALLY, JUST THAT'S THE WAY WE CAME.
SO WHEN I GOT THE AGENDA AND IT SAID QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, WE WEREN'T EXACTLY READY.
SO I'VE PUT TOGETHER AS MUCH AS I COULD IN THE LAST 24, 48 WELL, 36 HOURS TO PREPARE TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL WHAT WE'LL SHOW YOU TONIGHT. SO, SAL, IF I COULD PUT UP THE SPREADSHEET AND WE'LL START AT PAGE ONE, WHICH IS I BELIEVE SAL'S THIS DIAGRAM, WHICH HE WAS PART OF STAFF'S REPORT.
SO REALLY, I'M NOT AS GOOD AS SAL AS MANIPULATING PDFS, BUT HE'S DONE A VERY GOOD JOB HERE OF SHOWING ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE ARE UNFORTUNATELY MISLABELED, BUT NO, NO BIG DEAL.
SO I CORRESPONDINGLY IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SHEET, THE SPREADSHEET WITH THOSE NUMBERS HAVE PUT TOGETHER A SPREADSHEET THAT KIND OF IDENTIFIES PRE CONSTRUCTION, THE STATUS OF THEM.
DORMER LEFT AND DORMER RIGHT WERE VINYL WINDOWS.
SO WINDOWS NUMBER THREE, FOUR, FIVE AND SIX, WHICH ARE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, 606 CEDAR STREET, FRONT WINDOWS, THOSE ARE ALL ORIGINAL, ADMITTEDLY.
THOSE WOULD BE REFURBISHED HAD THEY BEEN PRESERVED, WERE THEY NOT PRESERVED.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY REFURBISHED WINDOWS POST CONSTRUCTION.
OKAY. NEXT WINDOW IS NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS UPSTAIRS EAST.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE REPLACED THOSE WITHOUT A PROBLEM [INAUDIBLE] PERMIT LIKELY.
THEN WE MOVE DOWN TO WINDOWS NUMBER EIGHT AND NINE.
THOSE ARE THE EAST ELEVATION LEFT AN THE MIDDLE LEFT.
THOSE WERE BOTH ORIGINAL WINDOWS THAT WERE LIKELY WOULD HAVE BEEN TO REPLACE HAVE BEEN REPLACED.
THOSE WERE FAULTY WINDOWS THAT WERE IN POOR SHAPE.
THOSE ARE ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
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IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION.IT'S THERE'S A FENCE, THERE'S HEAVY VEGETATION, ALTHOUGH IT IS EAST EXPOSURE, VERY LITTLE SUN.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF HER WOOD ROT WAS LOCATED ON THE HOME.
SO EAST ELEVATION, THESE ARE THE TWO CLOSEST TO CEDAR STREET.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO NORTHERNMOST WINDOWS ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
THOSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL.
AND ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT A MISTAKE THERE THAT SHOULD SAY REFURBISH.
NEXT WINDOW, SOUTH ELEVATION ORIGINAL.
WINDOW NUMBER 13 UPSTAIRS WEST ELEVATION.
THAT WAS VINYL AGAIN PHOTOGRAPH AND PERMIT DATA TO BACK THAT UP.
THOSE WOULD BE REPLACED WITH THE MARVIN.
WEST ELEVATION LEFT WEST ELEVATION MIDDLE THOSE WERE ORIGINALS.
OKAY. SO THERE'S A TOTAL IF YOU'RE KEEPING COUNT THERE OF REFURBISHED, THERE ARE EIGHT.
AND THEN THE LAST IS WEST, RIGHT? THAT WAS A VINYL WINDOW THAT WAS REPLACED.
SO THEN I WENT THROUGH AND I MADE ANOTHER SPREADSHEET BASED ON PROPOSED, PROPOSED NOW AND THEN PROPOSED WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE SOLUTION IS. SO I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TWO MORE SPREADSHEETS TO GO THROUGH.
I'M SORRY, SAL, WOULD YOU GO BACK UP TO THE.
SO THIS IS PROPOSED NOW, BUT ALSO PROPOSED SOLUTION.
SO WHEN I MENTIONED IT SOUNDS MUCH BETTER AT MANIPULATING, YOU CAN SEE THAT'S MY TECHNOLOGY LEVEL.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX.
AND SO THAT'S THE NORTH ELEVATION.
THAT'S THE EAST THAT'S EXCUSE ME, SOUTH ELEVATION.
THERE'S 12 THAT'S ONE THAT WAS ELIMINATED.
LET'S KEEP GOING. SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN, 11.
17, 18 ARE THE TWO NEW ONES THAT WERE PERMITTED.
SO. ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE GO TO THE SPREADSHEET.
NOW THIS IS KIND OF AN AS IS CONDITION.
I'M SORRY. OKAY, THAT'S OUT OF ORDER.
I'M SORRY. I WAS HAVING SOME PROBLEMS DOING THIS.
BUT YEAH, SO THIS IS TODAY, THIS IS THIS IS HOW IT SITS TODAY.
YOU CAN SEE MARVIN ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THOSE TWO AT THE BOTTOM WERE ADDED.
THERE ARE THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN THAT WE BELIEVE.
SO THAT'S TWO ADDITIONAL THE FIVE THAT ARE VINYL ALREADY.
SO TWO WE THINK WERE FAILING AND WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED WERE ABLE TO BE REPLACED WITH THE MARVIN.
SO AGAIN THIS LEAVES US WITH THE EIGHT ORIGINALS TO RESTORE SO BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED WITH THE MARVIN SO BACK UP I'M SORRY I DID MENTION THIS HAS BEEN 24 TO 36 HOURS.
WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR THAT BY THE WAY FOR THE EIGHT WINDOWS.
I'LL TELL YOU, THE MARVIN WINDOWS, WHICH ARE TOP QUALITY, ABOUT 1400, OR $1,500 A PIECE, THESE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS WITHOUT THE GLASS, THE SPECIFIC GLASS AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND.
BUT WITH THE SASHES REBUILT AND EVERYTHING ARE ABOUT $5,000 APIECE.
SO THERE'S A BIG PRICE DELTA BETWEEN MARVIN AND THE NEW ONES, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE.
SO WE WOULD GO TO THE FOUR IN THE FRONT.
THOSE ARE WHAT I WOULD ARGUE WOULD BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT WINDOWS ON THE PROPERTY WOULD BE REPLACED WITH HISTORIC WINDOWS UPSTAIRS EAST, ALL THE UPSTAIRS, THOSE WERE ALL VINYL.
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN JUST ALL THE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS, ALL THE DORMERS AND THE OTHER TWO.
SO THOSE WERE ALL REPLACED WITH MARVIN.
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EAST MIDDLE, RIGHT THOSE ARE THE TWO CLOSEST TO THE STREET I MENTIONED.ELIMINATE THE SOUTH. AND THE REASON WHY IT WAS DONE, THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THE COMMODE.
SO IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A WINDOW HISTORICALLY OR TODAY.
UP WEST MARVIN WEST LEFT AND WEST MIDDLE LEFT.
THOSE ARE ALSO CLOSEST TO THE STREET.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE EIGHT WINDOWS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH HISTORIC ARE TWO ON THE EAST CLOSEST TO THE STREET, THE FOUR IN THE FRONT FACING CEDAR STREET AND TWO ON THE RIGHT CLOSEST TO THE STREET SO THAT FRONT, THOSE FRONT EIGHT ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE EIGHT REBUILT OR NEWLY BUILT, HISTORICALLY ACCURATE ONES. AND THEN THE REST ARE THE WEST MIDDLE, WEST MIDDLE MIDDLE WEST MIDDLE RIGHT.
THIS IS LIKE CRC ALL OVER AGAIN.
WE'D, LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND BUILD MORE OF THAT EVIDENCE.
IF YOU REQUIRE MORE, YOU KNOW.
LET'S SEE HOW WE GET IN OUR BOARD DISCUSSION REGARDING FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. LASSERRE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO I THINK IT WAS NUMBER 12 THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE COMPLETELY.
WHAT ROOM IS THAT? WHAT ROOM IS THAT? WHERE DOES THAT GO? THAT'S A BATHROOM.
OKAY. AND WHERE DOES THAT FACE? THAT'S A SOUTH SIDE. THAT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SOUTH ELEVATION. THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS AGO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LASSERRE? I JUST WANT TO.
TIM. MAKE A COMMENT THAT THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU JUST PRESENTED TO US IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF THING WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IF THEY HAD COME IN AND ASKED FOR PERMISSION. I UNDERSTAND. INCLUDING THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU SAY YOU HAVE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO PRESENT.
THE PROCESS, JUST GET IT ON THE RECORD IS THAT WE WOULD LIKELY WOULD HAVE APPROVED YOU TO DO OR MS..
DORNER TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT OF THE WINDOWS SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY SAL AS A DESK REVIEW AND WE WOULD HAVE PRE APPROVED THOSE DEPENDING UPON WHAT CAME BACK IN THE STUDY.
I'M GETTING THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
CORRECT. YOU'RE IN THE AWKWARD SPOT OF I USED TO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS HOUSE.
SO SOME OF THOSE WINDOWS WERE VERY FUNCTIONAL NOT THAT LONG AGO.
RIGHT. WHO'S THE CONTRACTOR? COAST HOMES. I BELIEVE CHRIS IS HERE AND THERE.
THEY WERE SHUT DOWN SUB RECORDER IN MAY.
MAY 1ST. SO IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF THE HOUSE.
OKAY. YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN ADD, THEY HAVE PRESENTED US WITH WE DON'T HAVE GREAT PHOTOS, BUT WE DO HAVE THEY HAVE PRESENTED US WITH THE PERMIT HISTORY ON SOME OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
SO THE WE KNOW THE DORMERS WERE ADDED ON.
WE KNOW THAT THE WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR WERE ADDED.
WE NOW HAVE DEFINITIVE PROOF OF THAT.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF DAMAGE TO THE REST OF THAT WALL, I THINK WE CAN ASSUME THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF VEGETATION AND MOISTURE ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
16 TO THE EIGHT THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THAT IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL IF WE CAME IN, YOU KNOW, FRESH WITH THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE APPROVED. AND IN THE MEANTIME, DO WE HAVE AN APPROVED VENDOR THAT WAS USED THAT DOESN'T KNOW THE PROCESS? I MEAN, TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS? YES.
INITIALLY THERE WAS A PERMIT APPROVED, BUT NOT FOR ALL OF THE.
SO IS THAT CONTRACTOR SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED ON THE PROCESS? I WOULD THINK THEY'RE NOT JUST THAT ONE.
THERE ARE PROBABLY A LOT OF CONTRACTORS WHO NEED TO KNOW ABOUT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ONLY FIND THEM ONE AT A TIME, RIGHT?
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THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.SO I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO.
YES, WE WOULD NEED THE NAME OF THE VENDOR FOR THE NEW WINDOWS.
BUT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR.
HE SHOULD HAVE SOME CULPABILITY.
CHANGE. THIS CHANGE I BELIEVE.
OH, YEAH, I GET THAT PART. BUT I MEAN.
BUT THE RESTORATION VERSUS REPLACEMENT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE RUN OFF THE ROAD.
BUT THAT ASIDE, I MEAN, I THINK WHERE THE HARM THE MAIN HARM IS THE NON RESTORATION.
AND SO. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. LASSERRE? THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE HDC 2020-0013.
SEEING NO ONE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTER INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? SAL I JUST HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE CONCURRENT WITH THE PROPOSAL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE CONCURRENT WITH THE NUMBER OF WINDOWS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE.
WHY IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE MARVIN WINDOWS? SO THE MARVIN WINDOWS ARE A CLAD WINDOW.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE PINE AND THEN THEY'RE CLAD.
THEY'RE BUILT LIKE THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS WITH THE TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS.
SO THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL PANES OF GLASS.
IN THIS CASE, THE PROPOSAL IS FOR ACCOYA, WHICH IS A HARDWOOD.
SO THAT IS APPROPRIATE. IT'LL HOLD UP A LOT LONGER THAN ANY OTHER.
THE REASON THAT WE WOULD HAVE TWO REQUIREMENTS, IF YOU WILL, ONE FOR REPLACEMENT.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THERE. OTHER DISCUSSION.
SO WE WILL END UP WITH TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF WINDOWS, ONES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED ANYWAYS.
CORRECT. AND ONES THAT COULD HAVE STAYED.
CORRECT. AND WE WOULD HAVE ENDED UP WITH TWO DIFFERENT WINDOWS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THEY WILL HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOOK, BUT THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME CONFIGURATION.
THEY WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR LOOK, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THAT THEY.
THE REASON THAT THEY COULD NOT GO WITH THE MARVIN IS BECAUSE THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN ORIGINAL.
CORRECT. AND WE WOULD HAVE DENIED THE REMOVAL OF THOSE WINDOWS.
CORRECT. DEPENDING UPON THE ASSESSMENT.
WELL, CORRECT. I THINK WHAT BLOWS MY MIND ABOUT THIS CASE IS HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? HOW I MEAN, THE MAGNITUDE, THE VISIBILITY.
RIGHT. THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE IN ANY HOME GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, MOST OF THEM, THEY'RE RELYING ON THEIR CONTRACTOR OR THEY'RE VERY JUDICIOUS AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO? WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO TO MAKE THIS RIGHT? IT WAS ASTOUNDING FOR ME AS A NEIGHBOR RIDING BY ONE DAY.
AND IT WAS LIKE THEY WERE THERE AND THEN THEY WERE GONE.
SO THAT'S MY BIG THING IS HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN? AND I UNDERSTAND, SUSAN, THAT WAS A GREAT LETTER THAT SHE WROTE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN MY ENTIRE WALL FELL DOWN, I GET IT.
BUT I HAD TO GO BACK AND GO THROUGH THE CHANNELS.
YOU CAN GET EMERGENCY APPROVAL.
THE SECOND PART OF THAT I THINK IS SO EGREGIOUS IS THAT NONE OF THESE WINDOWS WERE SAVED .
RIGHT? THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.
SO THEN IT MAKES ME THINK, WHAT WAS THE INTENT? WAS IT AFTER THE FACT? LET'S JUST NOT BY HER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SAVE THE WINDOWS NOW.
SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE END UP DOING AND THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION BY JOHN.
WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES? SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? SO THIS IS WASTING OUR TIME.
WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO WHAT ARE THE FINES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS? AND THEN SHE CAN PASS ALONG TO HER CONTRACTOR.
WHAT WAS THE INCREASED COST FOR THE APPLICATION ASSOCIATED WITH THESE WINDOWS? SO THE AFTER THE FACT IS FOUR TIMES THE ORIGINAL FEE OF THE COA, WHICH IS I THINK IT'S ORIGINALLY $200
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FOR THE 250, ORIGINALLY FOR THE COA, IT'S 250.SO FOUR TIMES THAT. SO $1,000 PERMIT INSTEAD OF A $250 PERMIT.
CORRECT. THAT'S THE COA, NOT THE PERMIT.
GOTCHA. OH, I'M SORRY. I MISSPOKE. YEAH. YEAH.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THREE MONTHS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, THREE MONTHS WORK DOESN'T GO ON.
RIGHT. AND THEN THE INCREASED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW WINDOWS, IT'S PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S A PRETTY BIG PENALTY. IT IS.
I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE THE STOP WORK ORDER WOULD BE THE BIGGEST THING.
LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO BE LOCKED OUT FOR THREE MONTHS WAITING FOR YOUR CONTRACTOR TO FIX IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ENOUGH? SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I THINK I JUST BACKTRACKING A LITTLE BIT.
I JUST WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT QUESTION YOU ASKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE THE EXISTING NEW WINDOW AND A NEW FIELD BUILT KIND OF HISTORIC WINDOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUE DIVIDED LIGHT AND WHAT EVERY WINDOW IS RIGHT NOW IS SIMULATED BY THE LIGHT, BECAUSE THIS HAPPENS TO BE, I THINK, TWO OVER TWO.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE FOUR INDIVIDUAL PANES OF GLASS.
AND WHEN THEY'RE PUT IN, EACH ONE IS GOING TO BE JUST A TINY BIT DIFFERENT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE LIGHT IS GOING TO REFLECT DIFFERENTLY OFF OF IT.
IT'S GOING TO LOOK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND A MODERN WINDOW.
AND IT'S SUBTLE, BUT IT'S THERE AND YOU CAN SEE IT.
SO I ACTUALLY I REALLY LIKE THE PROPOSAL THAT'S PUT FORWARD.
IT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WOULD HAVE HOPED FOR IN THE BEGINNING.
IDEALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE JUST REFURBISHED THOSE EIGHT WINDOWS.
THIS IS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS WE CAN GET TO THAT, I THINK.
ARE YOU GOOD? SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST SAY THAT THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THIS POSITION IN THE LAST WHAT YEAR? YEAH. ALTHOUGH THE TWO THAT THAT POPPED UP LAST MONTH WERE NOT HISTORIC IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
YEAH. BUT THEY WERE AFTER THE FACT AND THERE'S SOME I MEAN I DON'T REMEMBER.
YOU DON'T REMEMBER. IT'S THE SOUTH SEVENTH STREET HOUSE UP THE STREET FROM.
IN THE FIRST BLOCK ON THE BACK SIDE.
NO THEY DIDN'T. THEY ORDERED IT WAS AFTER THE FACT.
THEY ORDERED THEM AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER WHERE THEY ALREADY INSTALLED THEM.
WELL THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.
ARE YOU GOOD? GENERALLY SPEAKING? YEAH. I THINK THAT WHAT WHAT MR. LASSERRE IS PROPOSING IS PROBABLY THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE PATH FORWARD.
THERE YOU GO. THAT SOUNDS LIKE I THOUGHT.
THE PROPOSAL THEY HAVE IS FROM A COMPANY CALLED AUSTIN HISTORICAL, WHO'S DONE A LOT OF WORK ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN TOWN, AND THEY DETAIL THE SCOPE OF THE WORK, HOW THEY'LL BE REBUILDING THE SASHES AND THE JAMBS.
AND SO THEY WILL BE AN APPROPRIATE HISTORIC WINDOW.
WOULD WE NEED TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION OF THIS APPLICATION SINCE IT'S NOT I'M TRYING TO THINK HERE.
COUNCIL IS THAT ON THE RECORD THEN? IT CAN BE. I MEAN, IT CAN BE ENTERED TONIGHT AS ON THE RECORD.
DO I NEED TO ASK MR. LASSERRE TO DO THAT, OR CAN MR. CUMELLA DO THAT? YOU ALL CAN ADD TO THE RECORD WHATEVER YOU LIKE.
THANK YOU. I'M SAYING SOMETHING RIGHT NOW.
I WANT IT ADDED TO THE RECORD.
I THINK TAMMI, FROILAN TECHNICALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO CALL UPON YOU, BUT I CAN.
PLEASE, MR. LASSERRE COME BACK.
IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
YEAH. JON LASSERRE 960185 GATEWAY BOULEVARD, SUITE 203 FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
I DO NOT THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
SHOULD BE FIRST FLOOR TWO ON THE EAST ELEVATION, TWO ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
OKAY. I THINK WHAT SAL IS TELLING ME IS THAT WE CAN USE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED TODAY.
CORRECT. FOR OUR MOTION AND WE WOULD GET THAT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO APPROVE THAT.
I THINK WITH THE CHANGES THAT MR. LASSERRE JUST ARTICULATED.
YES. THE CHANGE THAT MR. LASSERRE JUST ARTICULATED, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? CAN I GET A MOTION? WHO'S FEELING TECHNICAL ENOUGH TO HANDLE THIS ONE? I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL THIS.
ARLENE. WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
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OKAY. TAMMI GET THE CONTRACTOR TO DO IT.SO I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT TO HDC 2020-0013 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE EIGHT WINDOWS PROVIDED IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION ARE REPLACED WITH WOOD DOUBLE HUNG TDL WINDOWS IN A TWO OVER TWO CONFIGURATION WITH SALVAGED HISTORIC GLASS SIMILAR TO THE AUSTIN HISTORICAL BID.
WAS THAT, AND THAT THE WOOD WINDOW TRIM SHOULD BE INSTALLED TO REPLICATE SIZE AND CONFIGURATION OF THE TRIM THAT WAS REMOVED.
ANYTHING ELSE? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP SYLVIE WITH THAT? I MOVE TO APPROVE OR DENY THIS.
YOU MOVED TO APPROVE AFTER THE FACT AMENDMENT TO HDC CASE NUMBER 2020-0013 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THIS AMENDMENT TO HDC CASE 2020-0013 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT.
I JUST THAT'S YOU SAID THE CONDITION WITH THE CONDITIONS.
YOU GOOD. YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
SO IT'S WITH THE CONDITION THAT SHE DESCRIBED EARLIER.
THAT BECOMES APPARENT IN THE MOTION. THANK YOU, MISS TAMMI.
I APPRECIATE THAT. MEMBER FILKOFF.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT TO GET IT RIGHT.
THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I THINK SHE WAS LUCKY TO HAVE HIM.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GET LASSERRE INVOLVED GOOD THINGS.
BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION? I HAVE SOME NEW BUSINESS.
PLEASE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY SEVEN YEARS AND 18 DAYS LATER, I HAD MY FINAL INSPECTION AND I GOT MY CERTIFICATE.
ARE WE GOING TO BE ALL DO WE GET WHEN WE GET A TOUR? IF WE COME UP? [APPLAUSE] WELL, IT'S NOT FINISHED. DON'T TELL ME THAT AFTER THE FACT.
ANYTHING ELSE? NEW BUSINESS. ANY BOARD BUSINESS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 14 CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL THAT SAL SUBMITTED? NO. NOPE. OKAY.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE LETTER FROM THE CONCERNED NEIGHBORS OF OLD TOWN? YES. AND THE AMELIA ISLAND HISTORY MUSEUM OF HISTORY RESPONSE.
YES. THEN I'M JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
[9. PUBLIC COMMENT]
AND IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO IT.PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
OKAY,. IS TIM HERE? I THOUGHT TIM WANTED. YES.
YOU'LL BE UP NEXT, TIM. YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
ANDREA POWER 1127 [INAUDIBLE].
AND WHY IS THIS ON THE AGENDA? I'M WONDERING IF THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION? WELL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAD ANYTHING THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, WE WOULD.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TOUR? YES. WELL, IT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY THE TOUR WE HAVE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU ALL READ THE LETTER.
AND DID EVERYONE RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM BILL CAVANAUGH? NO, I HAVE NOT SEEN A CAVANAUGH LETTER.
THAT CAME OUT TODAY. LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
OUR PACKAGE IS PUT TOGETHER ABOUT A WEEK IN ADVANCE.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.
WELL, SO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE NEIGHBORS IN OLD TOWN WERE ACTUALLY VERIFIED BY MR. CAVANAUGH'S EMAIL THAT HE SENT TODAY.
HE INDICATED THAT THE NONPROFIT PRIVATE CLUB THAT HE WAS RUNNING WITH OTHER MEMBERS WAS CLOSED OUT AND UNBEKNOWNST TO HIM, REOPENED BY THE HARRISONS AND HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR ALL THESE YEARS AS
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A DEFUNCT CLUB.THE CITY. YES, IT IS THE INTENT OF THE FERNANDINA OLD TOWN DINGHY CLUB TO COME TO THE CITY TO DO SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YES. SO PUTTING IT ON OUR RADAR.
YES. WELL, WE APPRECIATE THAT.
YEAH. WE WERE NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS A NONPROFIT TO BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
APPARENTLY, THERE'S NOT AND THERE ISN'T ONE THAT WE CAN TELL.
IT'S REALLY A SAILING CLUB, A PRIVATE SAILING CLUB, NOT A ORGANIZATION TO BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF WE DON'T HAVE AN ORGANIZATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T WANT AN ORGANIZATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE DON'T NEED AN ORGANIZATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE JUST URGE YOU TO BE WARNED THAT THERE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THIS.
DO I GIVE THEM. SURVEY RESULTS? YEAH. SO THIS THIS QUESTIONABLE PRIVATE CLUB THAT IS SAYING THEY'RE A NONPROFIT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ONE OF THE DIRECTORS DISTRIBUTED A SURVEY TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS AFTER THIS HOME TOUR TO RAISE THE MONEY WAS CONDUCTED.
SO, I MEAN, HOW DO I ENTER THIS INTO THE RECORD? WELL, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT IN A QUASI JUDICIAL MODE RIGHT NOW, SO IT WOULDN'T BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.
OKAY. SO JUST SEND IT. SO DO I WANT TO SEE THAT? AND I ASSUME THAT MY BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO SEE THAT.
SO CAN YOU SEND THAT DIGITALLY TO MR. CUMELLA? AND HE'LL MAKE DISTRIBUTION TO US SO WE CAN SEE THAT.
ABSOLUTELY. THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. BEFORE YOU GO, MISS PARKER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TANGENTIAL TO THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT. THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY DOESN'T REPORT TO US.
BUT WE DO WANT TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE? YOU DO HAVE EVIDENCE.
I THINK SAL MIGHT HAVE AT LEAST AN EMAIL.
IS IT AN EMAIL? I JUST WANT TO WENT TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TODAY.
APPARENTLY WE HAVE IT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
THANK YOU. YOU GOT IT. ALL RIGHT.
WITH THAT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
OH, TIM, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? COME ON UP.
TRYING TO KEEP ALL THE BALLS IN THE AIR AT THE SAME TIME.
PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
TIM GREEN 1119 SUMMERALIS STREET FERNANDINA BEACH.
BOTTOM LINE IS WE WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.
I UNDERSTAND. AND YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
AND THIS IS PRETTY I MEAN, I'M SICK OF IT.
I SEE. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE MEN UP THERE.
I WOULD NEVER DO THIS, BUT IF I WAS WALKING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU WERE WALKING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WAS JUST TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR MOTHER.
YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOUR MOTHER.
ALL FIVE OF YOU WOULD WANT TO TANGO WITH ME.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH AN 80 YEAR OLD WOMAN.
WHAT DID I HAVE TO DO WITH MISS HARRISON? CALL THE COPS ON HER.
THAT'S HOW BRAZEN THESE PEOPLE ARE.
I'M TRYING TO MAINTAIN HERE, BUT WE'RE SICK OF IT.
YOU KNOW, THIS WOMAN'S 80 YEARS OLD, AND I'VE HAD TO CALL THE COPS ON HER TWICE.
NEXT TIME, IT'S GOING TO BE A RESTRAINING ORDER.
WE ARE SICK UP TO HERE WITH IT, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, AND I'M GOING TO BRING UP ONE MORE POINT, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THIS JUST BURNS INSIDE OF ME.
YOU KNOW, HE SAID UP THERE ON THAT BOARD, HE SET RIGHT THERE AND HE SAID, NO, NO.
HE SAID, YOU CANNOT HAVE A SECONDARY WITHOUT A PRIMARY.
AND TWO YEARS LATER, HE TURNED AROUND AND DONE THE SAME DARN THING THAT HE TOLD ME I COULDN'T DO.
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TREES. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT PRETTY GREEN GRASS COST ME $14,000.AND THAT PLACE WAS A DUMP WHEN I BOUGHT IT.
NINE DUMP TRUCK, LOADS OF TRASH.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WHY DON'T YOU TOUT THE SWEAT THAT THE PEOPLE HAS PUT INTO THEIR HOMES UP THERE TO MAKE THAT PLACE WHAT IT IS? YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.
YOU KNOW, YOU STAY OVER THERE AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND LEAVE ME ALONE, PERIOD.
WE'RE SICK OF IT, YOU KNOW? JUST TODAY. JUST TODAY, YOU KNOW, A GUY WHO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HIM VERY WELL.
HE SAID, HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? I SAID, I'M DOING PRETTY GOOD.
HE SAID, WHY CAN'T PEOPLE JUST LEAVE ME ALONE? AND I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HE SAID, HE SAID, I DON'T KNOW.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING THIS DINGHY CLUB THING AND WHERE'S THE WHERE'S THIS MONEY GOING, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, HE SAID HE AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE SAID, IT'S THE BIGGEST MISTAKE I EVER MADE IN MY LIFE BUYING IN FERNANDINA BEACH.
YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE THING.
I HOPE I DON'T RUFFLE NO FEATHERS, BUT YOU KNOW HOW I AM.
I SAT OVER THERE TODAY AND I LISTENED AND I REALLY LISTENED TO WHAT WHAT YOU ALL WERE SAYING.
IN MY OPINION, CITIZENS SHOULD COME FIRST.
YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING AND I KNOW I'M KIND OF GOING OFF ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO LIVE ON THE ISLAND, AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WELL, IF YOU KEEP CATERING TO TOURIST, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS SHOULD COME FIRST.
YOU KNOW, BUT AS FAR AS THE THE OLD TOWN THING, WE JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.
WE JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO SHOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM PEOPLE AND SAY, LISTEN, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND LEAVE YOUR NEIGHBORS ALONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR. GREEN. WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT, BUT WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS.
WE HAVE 11 PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU. WE LEARNED ABOUT THIS BEING ON THE AGENDA LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
SO. WELL, THE AGENDA HAS BEEN OUT FOR A WEEK, AND THE ITEM WAS ON THERE WHEN IT WAS PUBLISHED.
NO, NO, NO. SOMEBODY HAPPENED TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT THIS JUST SHOWS YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS TO US.
CONCERNED THAT THINGS ARE MAYBE NOT ON THE UP AND UP HERE.
WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH THE TOUR.
YOU WILL IF A PROJECT IS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.
RIGHT? EXACTLY. ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SO WE'RE PAYING IT. IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
SIR, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YOU HAVE TO COME UP. YOU JUST PUT ON YOUR YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM YOUR SEAT THERE.
IS THAT SO BAD? RON MACHADO 314 NEW STREET, OLD TOWN.
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW OLD TOWN.
MAYBE 3 OR 4 OF YOU DON'T KNOW.
BUT I'M JUST GOING TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
WE ARE ALL IN OLD TOWN. WELL REGULARLY.
YES. IN FACT, IT'S HARD TO TALK TO.
I CAME TO OLD TOWN IN 2020 AND THERE HAVE BEEN VERY LITTLE CHANGES.
BUT THE SEWERS AND THOSE ROADS WE HAVE YOU TALK ABOUT HERE, THE PAVEMENT AND ALL THAT STUFF AND OUR STREETS.
YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE OR HIS HOUSE OR HIS HOUSE BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING A BIG GROWTH IN OLD TOWN. BUT YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT OUR ROADS, WHAT IT'S DONE FOR OUR ROADS AND YOU'RE NOT.
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BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY.SO YOU WANT TO MAKE IT HISTORIC.
WE HAD SHELL CRUSHED NO OUR HOUSES SECOND FLOOR IN DUST.
THE SECOND FLOOR. THAT'S HOW BAD IT IS.
NOT TO MENTION THE MILL SOMETIMES, BUT THEY ACTUALLY DO LESS THAN THE ROADS NOW AN THE CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE.
OLD TOWN IS GROWING FAST WITH LARGE HOUSES, MILLION DOLLAR HOUSES, AND EVERY DAY THEN THEY'RE WORKING SIX IN THE MORNING, SEVEN IN THE MORNING AND IT'S PAST CODE.
I MEAN, BEFORE CODE, NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING.
NONE OF US DO LIKE TO, BUT WE DON'T COME, COME COMPLAINING.
BUT THE ROADS AND THE LIGHTING IN OLD TOWN ARE FROM 2020.
SOME OF THEM WERE TURNS IN 2028, BUT WE HAVE NO IMPROVEMENTS IN MY MIND AND MY EXPERIENCE.
AND SOMETHING SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO.
AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SOME OF THE BENEFIT TO ERASE THAT DUST.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS SHARE YOUR OPINION WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCE IN OLD TOWN.
YOU DON'T? NO. I DON'T THINK THEY DO BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE.
BUT COULD I MAKE A REQUEST TOO? I'LL JUST GIVE A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS ON OLD TOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER WHAT TIME WORKERS ARE THERE OR MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS OR STREETS.
I MEAN, THAT'S NOT WE LOOK AT CASES THAT COME TO US AND MOSTLY WE ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE ORIGINAL SPANISH PLATTING, THE GRID THAT'S THERE. CORRECT. WITH DESIGN ELEMENTS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOUR ORIGINAL PATTERN, SAND STREET IS A HISTORIC ROAD.
BUT WE'RE GROWING AROUND THE WORLD, AROUND THE NATION, AROUND THE CITIES, AND THINGS WERE CHANGED.
YOUR CENTER STREET WAS A DIFFERENT STREET AT ONE TIME.
YOU CHANGE IT AND YOU CAVE THEM AND YOU DON'T HAVE DUST.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCKS RACING.
THEY CAN RACE IF THEY WERE GOING DOWN YOUR STREET, BUT THEY CAN'T WITHOUT LEAVING DUST BEHIND US.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S MORE OF A CITY COMMISSION ISSUE.
SAL WE DON'T ASK FOR A LOT, BUT SOME THINGS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT, NOT FORGOTTEN.
THANK YOU, SIR. SAL WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS RELATIVE TO OLD TOWN? SO. YES. OLD TOWN IS A HISTORIC SITE.
IT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER AS A HISTORIC SITE.
IT IS, AS TAMMI SAID, THE YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF THE GRID.
THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE SURFACES OUT THERE IN THOSE UNPAVED ROADS.
WE DO KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN ISSUE WITH DUST AND THE SHELL I BELIEVE OUR AND WE DON'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER WHAT THAT IS OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT DOES.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE TRIED TO CHANGE IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD CAN JUST PUT INTO PLACE.
CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. POZZETTA. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT THAT WE ON THIS BOARD, EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT WE REVIEW EVERY SINGLE MONTH IS FOR CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY, EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT WE SPEND REVIEWING PROJECTS AND
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THINKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF OUR COMMUNITY IS DONE FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.JUST BECAUSE SOME OF US MAY NOT HAVE SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING PART DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE EVER FORGET THAT OUR BUSINESS UP HERE ON THIS PODIUM IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND ALL OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS.
THAT'S WHAT WE VOLUNTEER OUR TIME FOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO REVIEW THINGS FOR TOURISTS.
WE'RE HERE TO PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE NOW AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HERE IN TEN, 20, 30, 50 YEARS FROM NOW SO THEY CAN LOOK BACK AND EXPERIENCE SOME OF WHAT WE ALL LOVE ABOUT FERNANDINA BEACH AND OLD TOWN.
THANK YOU, JIM. I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO END THE EVENING.
I'M NOT SAYING I HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, SIR.
WE'RE DONE WITH COMMENT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I WAS JUST SAYING I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANY OF YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. LISA I'LL TALK TO YOU PRIVATELY IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING I NEED TO KNOW.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. CHAIRMAN. I'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD.
SHARE WHAT? IT'S A LAST MINUTE.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT IF YOU GUYS HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, TO AMELIA COASTAL REALTY.
THEY'RE DOING IT'S BEEN ON FACEBOOK AND ON THEIR WEBSITE AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT IS HERE.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING A BLOG SERIES ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL.
AND THEY'LL HAVE A FUTURE ONE FOR OLD TOWN.
AND TO ME, THIS IS A GREAT THING, ESPECIALLY COMING FROM A REAL ESTATE AGENCY WHO A LOT OF TIMES SEE THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS A NEGATIVE AND ADVERTISE THEM THAT WAY.
THEY'RE REALLY SHOWING WHY WE HAVE THE DISTRICTS.
OH, YOU ALREADY SENT US THE CAVANAUGH LETTER.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, YOU'VE GOT THOSE.
YEAH. THANK YOU.
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