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[1 CALL TO ORDER]
WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A FEW MINUTES LATE.AS ALWAYS, I'LL START WITH THE ROLL CALL.
BEEN HERE? VICE MAYOR STURGIS HERE.
NOTHING THERE, BUT WE'RE HEADING TO DISCUSSION ITEM 4.1 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FISCAL YEAR 2023, 2024.
[4.1 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT - FISCAL YEAR 2023-2024]
AND THIS IS PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS.GOOD AFTERNOON, CHARLIE GEORGE, INTERIM CITY MANAGER.
THIS IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'D HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR CHANGES THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST IN THIS PROCESS TRYING TO WRAP THE BUDGET UP.
MR. GEORGE, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? MR. ROSS. DO YOU HAVE THAT? YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START TALKING, COMMISSIONER.
WELL, THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAND THIS.
SO THE GENERAL CAPITAL FUND IN THIS ROLLBACK RATE BUDGET.
THERE IT IS. IT'S THIS IS THE THINGS THAT ARE FUNDS AND THIS IS ALL THAT IT FUNDS.
THIS IS THE ENTIRE CAPITAL BUDGET.
THE MARINA DREDGING IS $400,000 FINE WILL GIVE US ANOTHER $200,000.
CITY HALL REPAIRS ARE $125,000.
DOWNTOWN LIGHTING SIDEWALKS IS $50,000, DOWN FROM $100,000 LAST YEAR.
DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE COST OF FIXING SIDEWALKS HAS GONE UP 30%, THE CENTER IS ALL FROM A GRANT.
SIDEWALKS STREET RESURFACING IS $650,000.
WE PAID $50,000 TO A CONSULTANT TO TELL US WHAT WE NEEDED TO SPEND EVERY YEAR TO KEEP OUR ROADS IN EXACTLY THE SAME SHAPE THEY ARE, NOT TO IMPROVE THEM, KEEP THEM WHAT IT IS.
AND THAT WAS $900,000 A YEAR IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, AND WE'RE SPENDING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THAT.
THE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER IS $30,000 SKATE PARK FRAME MAYBE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AND SO ON.
SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE FUNDING.
CAN I CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? SURE. THESE ARE THE THESE ARE THE NEW FUNDS COMING FOR THIS ROLLBACK PROJECT, THE ROLLBACK RATE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT WE'RE ROLLING OVER OF SOME OF THESE PROJECTS FROM THIS CURRENT YEAR THAT DIDN'T GET DONE.
SO THOSE NUMBERS DON'T INCLUDE THAT ROLLOVER.
BUT THAT'S THE NEW MONEY THAT WOULD BE SPENT ON THIS PROJECT.
CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE? YES, SIR. SO FIRST OF ALL, THE PROPOSED ROLLBACK RATE BUDGET DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT INFLATION.
INFLATION HAS BEEN THROUGH MOST OF THE YEARS.
BUT AS WE KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, IT HAS GONE UP DRAMATICALLY.
SO WE HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT RENOVATION MONEY FOR OUR FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE.
DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN IS FAILING.
IT IS THE ECONOMIC DRIVER OF THIS CITY AND THIS ISLAND AND MAYBE THE COUNTY OR ONE OF THEM.
AND WE ARE SPENDING ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY ON THAT.
THERE'S NO MONEY TO REPLACE NORTH BEACH PARKING LOT PARK BOARDWALK, WHICH IS FAILING.
THAT IS GOING TO END UP ONE DAY, MAYBE BEING SHUT DOWN JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONES WERE.
IT IS IN REALLY ADVANCED STATE OF NEEDING REPAIR AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY TO DO THAT.
WE TOOK DOWN SIX BEACH WALKOVERS NONE OF YOU WERE PART OF THAT.
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THERE'S NO MONEY TO SIGNIFICANTLY REPAIR OR REPLACE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER.WE HIRED A CONSULTANT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT MORE ABOUT THIS LATER.
WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST NOTHING.
THERE'S NO MONEY TO IMPROVE OR REPAIR PICKLEBALL COURTS AND TENNIS COURTS.
THERE'S NO SIGNIFICANT FUNDING.
CITY HALL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN AND NO PROMISE TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT.
THERE'S NO MONEY TO REPAIR FRONT STREET.
AND WE NEED TO START PLANNING FOR THAT.
THERE'S NO MONEY TO SEPARATE THE MARINA BOARDWALK FROM THE BUILDING.
IT'S ABOUT $50,000 TO TO PUT SOME PILINGS IN AND SEPARATE THOSE TWO.
THERE'S NO THE ELECTRICAL PEDESTALS AT THE MARINA ARE COMING TO THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE.
THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO REPLACE THEM.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE SHY ON AND HAVE INADEQUATE OR INADEQUATE FUNDING TO DREDGE THE MARINA DESPITE FINE GIVING US $250,000 PLUS OR MINUS EVERY YEAR.
AND WE'RE SPENDING A THIRD LESS THAN WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING.
THERE'S NO MONEY. WE HAVE 62 PARKING LOTS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S NO MONEY TO FIX ANY OF THOSE.
THERE'S NO NEW SIDEWALKS OR BIKE PATHS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD HAVE BIKE PATHS.
THERE'S NO MONEY IN OUR BUDGET TO DO NEW BIKE PATHS.
I'VE WALKED MOST OF THE SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN.
SO WHAT THIS BUDGET DOES IS IT CUTS IT BY 50%, YET WE HAVE MORE AND MORE FAILING SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE TRIP AND FALL, THEY BREAK BONES AND SO ON.
THERE'S AT LEAST NINE VEHICLES THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT ROTATION PLAN AND SO THAT'S JUST PUSHING IT INTO NEXT YEAR.
AND NEXT YEAR IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY BETTER THAN THIS YEAR.
THERE'S NO MONEY IN THIS BUDGET TO FUND TO BUILD THE FLOOD WALL.
THERE'S NO MONEY TO FUND ANY KIND OF CONSERVATION LAND TO EXPAND THE GREENWAY.
THERE'S NO MONEY TO REPLACE THE FAILING IRRIGATION PUMPS AT THE GOLF COURSE.
AND THE CITY MANAGER MAY TALK TO THAT LATER.
IT TURNS OUT THAT THOSE PUMPS NEED TO BE REPLACED IMMEDIATELY.
SO THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT OUR CITY ARE FAILING IN OUR CITY WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE TAKE THE MONEY BETWEEN THE ROLLBACK RATE AND THE ADJUSTED CURRENT MILLAGE RATE, WHICH IS $2.3 MILLION, AND PERHAPS FUND ONE OF THESE THINGS TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
ONE OF THESE BIG ITEMS THAT WE HAVE A HARD TIME FUNDING AND WE SPLIT IT UP, ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS.
BUT IF WE TOOK 2.2 OVER $2 MILLION AND DID THE DOWNTOWN, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT WAY OF GOING FORWARD, DOWNTOWN OR IN ADDITION TO TAKE THE $500,000 THAT WOULD GO TO A ROLLBACK ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE AND AND LOCKBOX IT FOR ONE, SOME BIG ITEM SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING A BEACH WALK OVER OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS A FAILING AND A VITAL PART OF OUR ECONOMY.
THANK YOU. CAN I MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS? PLEASE DO, MR. GEORGE. OKAY.
FIRST OFF, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR FIVE YEARS OUT DOES SHOW A LOT OF THIS WORK.
IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE DONE THIS YEAR.
A LOT OF THE WATERFRONT RESILIENCY, THE BOARDWALKS, I MEAN, THERE'S BOARDWALKS SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT WE WILL BE DOING THE MARINA REPAIRS OR SOME OF THAT. THE ONE THING THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS MENTIONED WAS THE GOLF COURSE.
WE'RE CHASING THAT PRICE NOW TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY ARE.
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THERE ARE ABOUT A 30 WEEK DELIVERY, SO WE NEED TO GET THOSE ORDERED.SO THAT'S WE'RE WE'RE WORKING ON THAT PLAN.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BEEN CAST ASIDE.
WE HAD 625,000 BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR JUST BECAUSE OF TIMING.
WE COULDN'T DO IT ALL AT THAT TIME.
SO THERE BE MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE ROLLING FORWARD FOR ATLANTIC REC CENTER NEXT YEAR.
SO THE MONEY THAT SHOWS UP THERE IS THE NEW WORK IS NOT THE WHOLE PROJECT.
IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
SO THERE IS MORE MONEY, BUT A LOT OF IT'S BEING ROLLED UP.
UNDERSTOOD. MR. GEORGE SO THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER IS BEING ROLLED OVER AND THAT'S OVER $600,000.
AND THEN TELL ME ABOUT THE I KNOW WE HAVE TWO BEACH WALKOVERS ROLLING FORWARD TO THIS NEXT YEAR.
WE HAVE BEACH ACCESS 40 AND BEACH ACCESS 16 AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE REPAIRS TO SEASIDE BOARDWALK, WHICH WILL BE PART OF THAT BEACH HARMONIZATION AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. SO THERE'LL BE THREE NEW BEACH ACCESS CONSTRUCTION'S DONE IN THIS CURRENT COMING YEAR.
AND HOW MUCH EACH BEACH WALK OVER.
WHAT IS THAT? ONE OF THEM IS 200.
THE BEACH ACCESS 40 278,000, I BELIEVE.
BEACH ACCESS 16 IS 98 BECAUSE IT'S A LOT SHORTER.
AND SEASIDE, I BELIEVE, IS AROUND 300.
OUR BUDGET WAS SO BIG LAST YEAR THAT WE LITERALLY COULD NOT SPEND IT ALL IN ONE YEAR.
WE DID. NOT HAVE THE TIME TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY IN A SINGLE FISCAL YEAR.
WE HAVE $1.1 MILLION THAT WE TAXED WITH THE INTENTION TO SPEND IN FISCAL YEAR 2022, 2023.
AND YET AT THE END OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVEN'T SPENT IT ALL.
AND YEAH, THERE'S TIMING ISSUES, THERE'S OTHER THERE'S.
WE WERE UNABLE TO DO THEM ALL.
AND I'M NOT EVEN SUGGESTING WE LOWER OUR BUDGET.
ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT WE KEEP OUR BUDGET THE SAME AS LAST YEAR.
WE WILL COMPLETE THOSE PROJECTS.
WE'LL GET THEM DONE AS PART OF THIS FISCAL YEAR.
IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS.
BUT WHAT I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO THE COMMISSION IS THAT, WOW, THIS BUDGET DOES FUND A LOT.
I WOULD CONSIDER IT DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT THIS BUDGET DOES NOT CARE ABOUT OUR DOWNTOWN WHEN THERE IS $125,000 BUDGETED IN THIS BUDGET TO TAKE CARE OF OUR STREETLIGHTS DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S $50,000 BUDGETED FOR SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN.
THERE'S ANOTHER $50,000 BUDGETED FOR SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THERE IS MONEY IN THIS BUDGET FOR MANY DIFFERENT OTHER THINGS OUR CITY NEEDS.
THE CITY HALL IS NOT BEING NEGLECTED.
WE'RE TAKING CARE OF OUR ADA RESPONSIBILITIES TO HANDLE OUR ELEVATOR, WHICH IS $125,000.
WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS LIKE OUR IT HARDWARE.
THERE'S OTHER THINGS LIKE SKATE PARKS AND VALUABLE.
OUR HISTORIC LIGHTHOUSE IS NOT BEING NEGLECTED IN THIS BUDGET.
WE'VE GOT MONEY ALL ACROSS THE CITY ON THE THINGS THAT OUR CITIZENS DESPERATELY NEED THE MOST.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE COVERING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE CITIZENS THAT, WOW, LAST YEAR, WE JUST KEEP IN MIND, WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND HOW MUCH MONEY, HOW BIG OUR BUDGET WAS WHEN WE TRIED OUR BEST AS A CITY TO SPEND IT ALL IN ONE YEAR, COULDN'T DO IT.
WE STILL HAD $1.1 MILLION THAT WILL BE ROLLING FORWARD AND TAKING TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
AND IF I CAN MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE. UM, I GOT MY COMMENT.
GO AHEAD. I'LL FIND IT IN A MINUTE.
WE'LL HOLD A PLACE FOR YOU WHENEVER IT COMES BACK TO YOU, SIR.
ANY WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ASKEW.
AND I JUST I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER COME IN AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FRESH SET OF EYES COME IN AND LOOK AT OUR ENTIRE BUDGET, LOOK AT OUR OPERATING SYSTEM, OUR OPERATING EXPENSES, AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF MAYBE FINE TUNE SOME OF THOSE. I JUST THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO IS TO TAKE THIS BUDGET AND THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US.
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THANK YOU. REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE COULD SAVE MONEY GOING TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, WE COULD HAVE JUST ATTACKED CERTAIN SMALL PROJECTS OR CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT WERE BIG, BIG DEALS.BUT WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO SPREAD IT THROUGH THE WHOLE GROUP OF PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW THAT ARE IN THAT CAPITAL FIVE YEAR PLAN TO TRY TO AT LEAST GET SOME WORK DONE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE. SO THAT WAS OUR EFFORT.
WE COULD HAVE JUST ATTACKED CERTAIN ONES AND LEFT THE OTHERS ALONE.
SO WE TRIED TO SPREAD THAT OUT AS EQUALLY AS WE COULD.
SO THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET.
CITY HALL'S IN THERE AND YOU JUST HAVE A NUMBER SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
I CAN PROBABLY FIND ANOTHER ONE.
BUT IT'S $14 MILLION IS JUST PUT IN THERE.
NUMBERS ARE JUST PUT IN THERE.
FOR INSTANCE, WE TALKED ABOUT 100 AND WE JUST SAID HOW WONDERFUL IT IS.
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 170 WHATEVER THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS FOR DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN LIGHTING $125,000.
BUT THE REAL NEED FOR DOWNTOWN LIGHTING IS $1.5 MILLION TO DO THAT PROJECT.
AND SO NONE OF THIS IS BEING PUT FORWARD IN THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE BUDGET.
I'M NOT I'M NOT GETTING INTO WHETHER IT'S A ROLLBACK YEAR NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT.
WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, MONEY IN THERE FOR RESILIENCY IF WE NEED IT FOR THE WATERFRONT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO COVER EVERYTHING IN ONE YEAR, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO BREAK THOSE INTO FIVE YEAR DEALS.
SO IN FACT, ON THAT, WE LOOKED AT SEGMENTS BECAUSE THERE'S SEGMENTS INTO THIS WATERFRONT.
SO WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO FUND ONE SEGMENT EVERY YEAR.
BUT THEN IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHETHER WE FUND THOSE EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE, VICE MAYOR.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. VERY BRIEFLY, CHARLIE, I WANT TO TOUCH ON THE ATTENUATOR INSURANCE FOR THE MARINA.
CORRECT. HAVE WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION OR PRESS DOWN ON THE STATE? HARDER ABOUT THAT. THE APPLICATION IS HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SPEAK TO THE STATUS OF IT, BUT WE DID PAY THIS YEAR'S BECAUSE WE HAD TO BECAUSE WE WERE RUNNING INTO THE TIME FRAME TO PAY FOR THIS THE NEXT YEAR THING AND IT CAN GET PRORATED.
SO IF WE GET APPROVED THEN WE GET MONEY BACK FROM WHAT WE PAID FOR THAT WAIVER.
SO I JUST WANT TO VERBALLY STATE THAT THAT'S 32% OF THE INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET IN 20.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $800,000 OF THE $2.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE REDUCING IS ONE ITEM ON THIS BUDGET AND THAT'S THE ATTENUATOR INSURANCE. IF THEY CAME BACK TO US IN NOVEMBER, THEY COULD COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS, 2 TO 3 MONTHS AND SAY A LOT OF THAT REFUND BACK.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO PRESS THAT ISSUE.
BUT IT'S A PROGRAM THAT THE STATE CAME UP WITH, AND IT'S SO NEW THAT THEY'RE NOT THE ISSUE.
SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED TO PRESS THAT ISSUE.
THAT'S WHAT I FEEL AND I FEEL WE WILL GET IT.
LET'S GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER ROSS, THE ATTENUATOR THAT COMES OUT OF THE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT COMES OUT OF THE ARENA ENTERPRISE FUND, AM I CORRECT? AND SO THEY AND THEY'VE ALREADY PAID THAT.
THEY COVERED THAT. IT'S BEEN PAID.
THE MARINA ENTERPRISE FUND IS COVERING ALL THEIR EXPENSES EXCEPT THE DREDGING.
WELL, THE ONE THING IF WE GOT A REBATE THAT THAT WOULD HELP THE DREDGING COST TREMENDOUSLY, RIGHT? IT WOULD. I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY.
THE MARINA ADVISORY FUND IS TIED TO THE GENERAL FUND.
IS THAT RIGHT? MR. GEORGE? LIKE IF THE MARINA ADVISORY FUND GOES NEGATIVE, THE MONEY WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
IS THAT WOULD THAT BE CORRECT?
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MS. PAULINE WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO WE DID THAT IN THIS CURRENT YEAR WASTEWATER, TRANSFERRED MONEY TO THE MARINA AND THE GOLF COURSE TO ELIMINATE THE DEFICIT BALANCES.BUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU WANT THAT FUND TO BE SELF SUSTAINING, OF COURSE.
SO POINT TAKEN, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
SO WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, I WANT TO CLOSE BY REITERATING WHAT COMMISSIONER ASKEW SAID, WHICH IS JUST I WANT TO THANK CITY STAFF FOR DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB PUTTING TOGETHER THIS BUDGET BOOK, WHICH LOOKS GREAT.
WHAT WE JUST FLASHED ON THE SCREEN IS NOT THE ONLY PART OF THIS BUDGET.
IT'S ONE OF THE BULLET POINTS I SAW WAS THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS BUT MAINTENANCE FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE OPERATING BUDGET OF PARKS AND REC. I WOULD SAY.
AND THERE'S THERE'S OPERATING BUDGETS FOR MAINTENANCE THAT INCLUDE SIDEWALKS.
SO MAYBE NOT BRAND NEW SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD COVER THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS.
AND OUR OPERATING BUDGETS NOT IN THE CAPITAL FUND.
THIS CAPITAL FUND IS EXCELLENT.
IT HAS, I THINK, ALL THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECTS OUR CITY NEEDS.
SO WITH THAT, DO WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NO, THIS IS STILL WHEN YOU SEE THE BUDGET, THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL THAT'S WHERE THIS CAME FROM.
THAT'S WHEN IT APPROVED THIS PART OF THE BUDGET.
WE JUST I KNEW THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A HIGH TOPIC ON A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MINDS.
EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 4.2, THAT IS THE NONPROFIT GRANT FUNDING.
[4.2 NON-PROFIT GRANT FUNDING -]
OKAY. WE RECEIVED SEVEN SUBMITTALS FROM NONPROFITS FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THE CITY AND FUNDING THAT TOTAL OF ALL SEVEN WAS $220,000.THE SUBMITTALS WERE THE MUSEUM.
THE 20 2223 BUDGET WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW HAD THE THE THE ORGANIZATIONS OF AGE AND FOREST SERVICES COUNCIL ON AGING BARNABAS MICAH PLACE AND NASSAU MENTAL HEALTH.
WE FUNDED THIS YEAR, THIS CURRENT YEAR 130,000.
IT WAS SPREAD AS EVENLY AS WE COULD.
THE 130 THAT WAS FUNDED THIS YEAR WAS THE SAME THAT WE FUNDED THE YEAR BEFORE.
AND WHAT CITY MANAGER IS RECOMMENDING IS WE USE THE SAME $130,000 TOTAL FOR THIS COMING BUDGET YEAR AND BASICALLY MATCHING WHAT WE PAID LAST YEAR TO THE INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATIONS OF BARNABAS COUNCIL ON AGING, MICAH'S PLACE STARTING POINT AND AGING FOR SERVICES.
THANK YOU. LET'S START WITH VICE MAYOR STURGIS.
CHARLIE, DID ALL THE FUNDS, ALL 130,000 GET SPENT BY ALL THE CHARITIES OR WAS ANY LEFT OVER? DO THEY RETURN? DO NOT.
THEY DIDN'T RETURN ANY? NO, I DID NOT KNOW.
AND YOU'RE SURE THEY DO NOT KNOW.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MY MIND THAT.
I HAD TO GUESS. I'D SAY THEY SPENT EVERY BIT OF IT.
OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO HOLD ACCOUNTABLE.
SURE. YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, YEAH.
AND THE RECOMMENDED FISCAL YEAR 2324 IS THE $30,000 FOR AGED AND POOR SERVICES.
THAT IS ONCE AGAIN IN THIS BUDGET.
IT'S A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.
YES. SO WE DO HAVE THE $30,000 FOR AGED AND POOR SERVICES INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE DID INCLUDE THEM.
BUT JUST IN ANOTHER PART OF THE BUDGET WHICH OPTIMIZED HOW MUCH MONEY WE COULD DO IN THIS PART.
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THAT'S NOT ON YOUR LIST, CORRECT? AND WE WERE WE WERE PROVIDING THAT IN THE PAST BECAUSE THEY WERE USING THE CITY FACILITY AND THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THAT, WHICH IS NOW THE MARINA OFFICE SLASH STORE AREA. SO, YEAH, WE DIDN'T WE WEREN'T ABLE TO FUND THAT THIS YEAR.SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FUNDED.
WAIT, SO THE MUSEUM IS FUNDED? IT SAYS SO ON THIS PAPER AT THE VERY BOTTOM, THE MUSEUM IS PART OF NO, NO, THERE'S MULTIPLE CONDITIONS NOW WE'RE FUNDING FIVE OF THEM.
BARNABAS COUNCIL ON AGING, MICHAEL'S PLACE, STARTING POINT AGE AND PORT SERVICES IS THAT WAY.
CAN YOU SCROLL UP? CAROLINE SO I CAN SEE THE 2024, 2023, SCROLL DOWN OPPOSITE.
THAT'S IT. OKAY, SO THAT'S ON THERE NOW.
IT'S NOT ON THERE NOW. NO, THE AGENT PORT SERVICES IS ON THERE NOW.
IT WASN'T ON THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, CORRECT? YES. AND THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.
YEAH, YOU GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER ROSS, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING.
IN 220, 220 20, THE CITY SPENT $389,000 ON THIS SAME LINE ITEM.
IN 21, WE SPENT 399,022, 145 AND 2023, 130.
SO EACH YEAR WE'VE COME DOWN, THERE ARE CERTAIN FISCAL CONSERVATIVES, MANY HAVE VOICED TO ME IT'S NOT MY BELIEF THAT THE CITY SHOULD NOT BE FUNDING ANY OF THESE, THAT THESE ARE CHARITIES AND THEY PEOPLE CAN DECIDE ON THEIR OWN WHICH CHARITY THEY'RE GOING TO FUND.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO FUND SOME OF THESE AND I THINK THAT THE LEVEL OF FUNDING AT IS PROBABLY.
ON THE LOW END. THESE ARE DISABLED, DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING A HARD TIME.
THESE ARE SERVICES THE CITY HAS DOES NOT FUND AND THEY ARE FUNDING THEM IN OUR STATES.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FUND THIS.
AND WE KEEP GOING DOWN EVERY YEAR.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT'S GOING TO END UP THIS YEAR.
IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT. SO WELL, THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW WE FUNDED 130.
THIS WILL BE THE THIRD YEAR SECOND.
THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU GAVE ME THIS MORNING.
YOU SAID 21. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO WE CONTINUE THAT FOR THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW.
I LOOK FORWARD TO A BUDGET THAT HAS ONE THIRD 30.
ONCE AGAIN, MY QUESTION, MR. GEORGE, IS WHY DID WE THE I SEE THE CHANGE WITH COUNCIL ON HOMELESS AND THE MUSEUM AND STARTING POINT.
IS THAT A WAS THAT AN INTENTIONAL CHANGE OR IS THAT WHAT WAS THE REASONING FOR THAT? LET ME LOOK REAL QUICK. NATIONAL MENTAL HEALTH IS STARTING POINT, SO LAST YEAR WAS 15,000.
SO THE MENTAL HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH IS STARTING POINT.
FOR SERVICES. WE BASICALLY DID THE EXACT SAME DISTRIBUTION AS WE DID LAST YEAR.
I DO LIKE THAT. DISTRIBUTION COMMISSIONERS, ANY THOUGHTS? I JUST THINK I APPRECIATE MR. GEORGE FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS HERE.
SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
EXCELLENT. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THE THAT CHANGE IN MY MIND? THAT'S DEBATABLE FOR ME IF IT'S.
NO, NO, IT'S IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
I UNDERSTAND. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR.
BUT MY AND MAYBE THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD REASON TO DO IT AGAIN.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? WELL, I. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BEFORE I SAW THAT OTHER PAPER THAT WE HAD STARTING POINT AT FIVE COUNCIL ON HOMELESS AGAIN, THAT WAS MY MISTAKE ON THE 100,000 VERSUS THE 130. RIGHT.
BUT THE 30 WAS FOR THE AGED AND POOR SERVICES THAT WE HAD SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET BUT NOW IS BACK, WHICH MAKES IT BECAUSE WHEN I WHEN I WAS ABLE TO GET MY MISTAKE OF SHOWING 100 VERSUS 130, THAT 130 ALLOWED US TO GO TO STARTING POINT TO MATCH WHAT THEY DID LAST YEAR.
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I UNDERSTAND NOW AND THEN PUT AGENT FOR.OKAY. WELL IN THAT CASE I'M I'M FINE WITH THAT.
ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONERS. I'M GOOD WITH IT.
ALL RIGHT. I'M FINE WITH THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT LAST YEAR AND WE WILL LET IT GO.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT WITH EVERYBODY.
AND AND I DO THINK OUR SOME OF OUR GREAT CHARITIES ARE FUNDED.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GO AHEAD.
AND I THINK THAT HAS CONSENSUS.
WE'LL HIT ITEM FIVE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE AT OUR 6:00 REGULAR MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.