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ALRIGHT LADIES ENTITLEMENT. I'M CALLING THIS WORKSHOP TO ORDER. AS ALWAYS, WE WILL START WITH ROLL CALL. PLEASE CALL THE REAL.
[3.1 PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT - FEES]
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS BEMA COMMISSIONER ANTUN.
>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.
>> HERE. >> ALL ARE PRESENT, ITEM 3.1 PLANNING AND CONSERVATION THAT WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY EVERYONE APPEAR. I ASSUME WE HAVE MS. GIPSON.
>> GOOD EVENING PLANNING AND CONSERVATION AND TONIGHT WE ARE TAKING A LOOK AT OUR FEES. SOME OF THE ITEMS I'M GOING TO COVER TONIGHT INCLUDE OUR BOARD REVIEW FEES, THE COST THAT WE CHARGE FOR THE SERVICES IN THE FEES CHARGE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO KEEP IN MIND IS PLANNING A IS A SERVICE BY THE PLANNING NATURE.
AFTER THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE WILL NOT AND COULD NOT RECUPERATE THE REAL COST OF THE SERVICE RENDERED.
PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND IT IS A SERVICE FUNCTION FOR YOUR CITY.
I HAVE PROVIDED COST ESTIMATES. I KNOW YOU RECEIVED THE BACKUP MATERIALS A BRIEF JUSTIFICATION OF WHY WE CHARGE THE PARTICULAR FEE LINE BY LINE ON EACH OF T THEM.
IT'S A VERY BRIEF DESCRIPTION THERE BUT I WANTED TO INCLUDE SOME COST ESTIMATES. WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS ESTIMATE WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS A LIST OF THINGS.
THERE ARE COST OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT THAT WE CANNOT ESTIMATE. THOSE ARE WITHIN OTHER PARTS OF THE ORGANIZATION. OUR RECORDING AND CLOSE CAPTIONING FEES ARE ALSO NOT PART OF THE ESTIMATE.
IN REQUIRED FILINGS AND REAP PORTENTS AND CERTIFIED MAIL COSTS ARE NOT INCLUDED. ADDITIONAL COST FOR STATE REVIEWS HAVE NOT BEEN CAPTURED AND SOME SOFTWARE COST, THERE ARE A WIDE RANGE OF SOFTWARE SUIT SOFTWARE TOOLS THAT WE UTILIZE THE IMPLANTING OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOT CAPTURED INTO THE FULL COST. THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, SO EXPENSIVE WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR YOU WILL SEE A GOOD PORTION OF OUR BUDGET IS IN SOFTWARE COST.
ENDED OF COURSES CITY FACI FACILITIES.
TYPICAL ITEMS ARE NOT CAPTURED INTO THE ESTIMATE.
AGAIN THESE ARE BOARD REVIEWED APPLICATIONS ONLY THE HIGHER PRICED ITEMS IS WHAT THIS PREENTATION IS LOOKING TO COVER. OUR STAFF TIME HAS BEEN AN AVERAGE ON PLANNING SIDE TO A $37 FLAT RATE.
OF COURSE THERE IS A RANGE OF HOURLY RATES.
IT ONLY COVERS THE ESTIMATED AVERAGES SOME APPLICATIONS ARE MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN OTHERS AND WE WILL TAKE FAR MORE REVIEWS AND UPFRONT WORK THAT ARE REALLY CAPTURED INTO THIS ESTIMATE. WE ARE GOING TO GET STARTED WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TAKES ACTION ON VARIANCE FROM THE LAND OF ULTIMATE CODE.
THIS IS A SITUATION FOR EXAMPLE A PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO DEVIATE FROM THIS CITIES ESTABLISHED CODE ASAP BACK OR A DESIGN COMPLIANCE ISSUE. WHERE THERE IS A HARDSHIP THAT EXIST WE ARE ABLE TO COME IN AND SEEK A VARIANCE FROM THAT.
WHAT WE LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THEY EXHAUSTED ALL POSSIBLE ALTERNATES AND EXACTIONS BEFORE THEY COME TO SEEK A VARIANCE.
HAVING A HIGHER FEE TO TEARS PEOPLE FROM SIMPLY SAYING I'M GOING TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE TODAY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO COMPLY WITH YOUR CODE. A LOWER FEE WOULD MAKE THAT SERVICE MORE READILY AVAILABLE AND OFTEN IF THEY ARE GRANTED WOULD ERODE THE TAKER THE OF THE CODE.
WHEN WE SEE VARIANCES APPLIED FOR REPEATEDLY AND WHETHER BEING GRANTED IT IS ON THE STAFF TO LOOK AT THE CODE AND DETERMINE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE AND CHANGE IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO CODE THE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN AND APPLYING VARIANCES SO WE LOOK AT OUR CODE TO MAKE SURE WHAT WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE CAN BECOME REALITY. SO THOSE ARE INTENTIONALLY SET HIGHER TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE CODE OR THE VARIANCE COST WHEN HE $500 ADDED NONRESIDENTIAL VARIANCE WOULD BE $5000. I CAPTURED BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT COST TOGETHER SOON GOING TO REVIEW THEM FIRST TOGETHER IT ISSUES CERTIFICATES OF APPROVAL THEIR
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WORK IS DIRECTLY IN SUPPORT OF PRESERVATION AND WHAT THEY FOCUS ON HIS RESTORATION IN DISTRICT WIDE COMPATIBILITY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS DEMOLITION IS CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT AND AWAY'S ADAPTIVE REUSE AND TO REPURPOSE STRUCTURE IS GOOGLE WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE HER FABRIC AND THE STRUCTURES THAT MAKE THE COMMUNITY SPECIAL. OUR BOARD REVIEW FEES ARE ACTUALLY LOWER MUCH LOWER THAN YOU WOULD SEE THE COST TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL.WERE REALLY TRYING TO GET COMPLIANCE, PEOPLE WHO ARE VOLUNTARILY COMING IN AND GETTING THE REVIEW COMPLETED INTERCOURSE DEMOLITION FEES ARE SET HIGHER WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE FABRIC OF OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES SO WE SET THE FEES HIGHER SO HOPEFULLY THE INTERESTED BUYER OR THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER WILL MAKE NECESSARY INVESTMENTS TO PRESERVE THE I STRUCTURES READ L THE FEES COVERED BY HISTORIC DISTRICT GO INTO A SPECIAL FUND AND THOSE DOLLARS ARE ABLE TO COME BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS SIX TO SUPPORT PRESERVATION AND WE RECENTLY HAD A WINDOW WORKSHOP THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BRING AN EXPERTISE IN RESTORING THEIR WINDOWS BUT OTHER OUTREACH EVENTS IN THE PAST AND ACTUALLY THIS YEAR WE ARE HOPING TO REDO OUR PRESERVATION REHABILITATION GRANT. THAT IS UTILIZE FROM THE FEES COLLECTED FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL BOARD REVIEW AND THE STAFF REVIEW CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
THE TOTAL COST FOR VOA AND HDC IS ESTIMATED AT 930, $930 OR SO THIS INCLUDES STAFF TIME THAT IS BROKEN DOWN AS WELL AS LEGAL STAFF TIME, MAILING AND POSTING AND KEEP IN MIND ALL THE OTHER FEES I HAVE BEEN CAPTURED ALREADY.
VOC THE COST TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES ARE EITHER INTENTIONALLY SET HIGHER SO YOU CAN DISSUADE PEOPLE FROM SEEKING VARIANCES OR INTENTIONALLY SET LOWER SO PEOPLE WILL VOLUNTARILY COME IN AND GET THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
ON THE PLATED ADVISORY BOARD THIS IS A BOARD THAT IS ESTABLISHED AS A LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY AND THEY REVIEW AND ISSUE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE GETS TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND BEFORE LOOKING AT THE FEES AND ESTIMATES IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THIS PROCESS IS VERY MUCH A PROCESS MINISTER TO PRE-APPLICATION AND EXTENDS TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE MEETING AND RECOMMENDATION AND ONTO THE CITY COMMISSION AND OFTEN TO PUBLIC MEETINGS FOLLOWING THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD CONSIDERATION THERE FEES ARE WIDE-RANGING YOU WILL SEE THEM LISTED BASED ON THE APPLICATION IN THE FEE STRUCTURE $1500 TO A REPLY OR FINAL PLAT AND SMALL-SCALE TO LAND OF ELEMENT TO LARGE-SCALE 25 PLUS ACRES LAND USE AND ZONING AT $5000 THE ESTIMATED COST TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES IS ABOUT $2388. THAT IS AVERAGE AND UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF EACH SITUATION SOME THEY REQUIRE MORE HOURS THAN WHAT WE ARE ESTIMATING. OUR TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE FEES THIS IS A BOARD THAT ESTABLISHED.
IT IS ALSO THE STAFF TO ISSUE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ORDERS.
THEY REVIEW AND LOOK FOR COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE CITIES TECHNICAL DESIGN STANDARDS. THE FEES ARE ESTIMATED AT $400 PLUS 2% OF THE PROJECT COST AND IT DOES HAVE A MAXIMUM LIMIT OF $5500 WITHIN THE CRA THE PROJECTS WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE REINVESTMENT WITHIN THE AREA TO HELP BRING THE AREA UP AND OUT OF THE CONDITIONS FOR WHICH THE AREA WAS ESTABLISHED.
THERE IS A PLOT VIA $1000. >> THE ESTIMATED COST JUSTIN STAFF TIME IS 90 DID HALF HOURS FOR TRC FULL BOARD REVIEWS AND THE AVERAGE COST OF THAT IS $2748 THAT IS JUST THE REVIEW TIMEFRAME. ANOTHER HAS BEEN DISCUSSION WHETHER THIS IS ADJUSTED BY FEES AND IF THERE COULD BE A REDUCTION IN THIS AREA AND I THINK ARGUABLY THE BASIS TO REDUCE THAT FEE EVEN WHEN WE BRING IN THE OTHER COSTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CAPTURED. TWO OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WE NEED TO CLARIFY PROJECT COST SO YOU'RE ONLY THINKING ABOUT THE HORIZONTAL INFRASTRUCTURE COST AND NOT THE FULL PROJECT COST OF WHEN IT GOES VERTICAL.
THAT WOULD CLARIFY AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT THE SOMEBODY MAY PAY
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THE SECOND WOULD BE THE MAXIMUM FEE CHARGED $4000.THAT'S A JUSTIFIABLE AMOUNT. YOU MAY CONSIDER EITHER OR BOTH AS PART OF YOUR DECISION-MAKING WITH THAT I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR
ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR
MRS. GIPSON? >> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MS. GIPSON I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE THE DEMOLITION OF PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
IF THAT BUILDING IS DEEMED INHABITABLE NOBODY LIVING DIDN'T, HE COULD NO LONGER EXIST ARE WE STILL CHARGING A $7500
FEE TO TAKE THE BUILDING DOWN. >> WHERE IT'S BEEN CONDEMNED BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IT IS NOT CHARGE THAT FEE.
>> OF THE TABLE TO BE RESTORED THAT FEE IS CHARGED IF IT'S COMPLETELY UNUSABLE WE DO NOT CHARGE THEM THAT FEE TO TAKE THE
BUILDING DOWN. >> THERE ARE EMERGENCY PROCEDURES THAT WE CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THE ACTION IS NECESSARY TO BYPASS THE BOARD REVIEW.
>> OKAY. UNDER MISCELLANEOUS FEES THE PARKING AND ALOOF EP. IN THE SURFACE BASE OR STRUCTURE BASE, $2000 OR $9000 IS THAT PER PARKING SPACE.
>> PER WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED PARKING SPACE.
THAT IS A PRETTY NOMINAL FEE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS A FEE THAT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED OR IF IT'S JUSTIFIED.
I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD ACCOUNT FOR THE LAND COST AS WELL AS THE
MAINTENANCE COST AT THIS POINT. >> AS IT SAYS IT'S A ONE-TIME
>> THAT IS ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE.
>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT SHE HAS BROUGHT FORWARD JUSTIFIED ON TE CRT BRINGING ABOUT POSSIBLE REDUCTION FOR US WOULD ANYBODY BE INTERESTED IN OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE
CAN BRING TO THE TABLE. >> WE CAN DISAGREE ON SOMETHING ESSENTIALLY IN A FUTURE MEETING BRING REVISIONS.
>> A MASTER FEE SCHEDULE UPDATE WE CAN MAKE CHANGES.
>> CHARLIE MAY BE ABLE TO HELP CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT BUT I LIKE OPTION ONE BECAUSE ASPECT IF WE BRING SOMEBODY IN THE OLDER COMMUNITIES CLEARING THE SHOULD ONLY BE CHARGED FOR THE HORIZONTAL AND WE MAY BE GOING VERTICAL.
WE MAY NOT. IF ALL THAT CONTRACTOR IS DOING IS PREPPING THE LAND AND NOTHING HAPPENS AFTER THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE CHARGING THEM FOR THE VERTICAL WHEN THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR THE HORIZONTAL.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT COMMISSIONING.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS I WOULD SAY LET'S CLARIFY OPTION ONE AND DEBBIE ON THE FUTURE AGENDA. GO AHEAD.
>> I'VE ALWAYS SAT THROUGH EVERY TRC MEETING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND I DON'T EVER SEE ANYBODY COMING TO CLEAR LAND THERE IS ALWAYS A VERTICAL COMPONENT OF ALL THINGS.
>> I'M AWARE OF SEVERAL PROJECTS WERE THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE
HAPPENING. >> DOES THAT HAPPEN?
>> THE WAY WE DO FIND IT IT DOES TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WITHIN PROJECT IS WHETHER A SUBDIVISION OR A NEW HOTEL SITE.
HE CONSIDERS THE VERTICAL AS WELL AS THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS WHEN CALCULATING THAT FEE.
>> CHARLIE GEORGE I GUESS IN THIS CASE.
THERE HAS BEEN IF YOU WERE A DEVELOPER WANTS TO COME IN AND YOU SEE THIS AND OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY DO SUBDIVISIONS THE DEVELOPER WILL COME IN AND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES BUT IS NOT DOING THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE HE WILL SELL THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO SOMEBODY ELSE.
THAT IS WHERE THIS WOULD COME INTO PLAY WHERE YOU WOULD NOT BE CHARGING HIM FOR THE COST OF THE BUILDOUT BUT ONLY THE PART HE IS ASKING FOR THAT'S WITH THE PROJECT TERM COST WILL ACTUALLY BE VALID. THOSE ARE THE KIND ISSUES WERE THOSE. THERE IS ONE THAT WE HAD RECENTLY THAT WAS DOING THAT BUT HE SUBMITTED THE TENT ON THE VERTICAL STRUCTURE BUT HE WAS NOT ACTUALLY DOING IT.
>> THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT MR. GEORGE IS SAYING WE ARE CURRENTLY DOUBLE CHARGING PEOPLE.
IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE WE ARE CHARGING SOMEBODY FOR A STRUCTURE THEY ARE NOT BUILDING AND WHEN SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN TO PUT THE STRUCTURE AND THEY ALSO HAVE TO PAY THE SAME FEE
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AND WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE TRC APPROVAL.>> THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN ISSUED AND IT COVERS THE PROCESS. THE NEXT STEP WOULD PULL BUILDING PERMITS WITH THE LOCAL DEVELOPMENT ORDER.
>> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. WHAT MS. GIPSON SAID WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ALLOCATE THE FEES TO THE RIGHT PERSON.
WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE. >> KELLY IS RIGHT YOU'RE NOT CHARGING THEM TWICE SOMETIMES THERE IS A TIME DELAY BETWEEN INFRASTRUCTURE GOING AND IN THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION GOING IN SO YOU CHARGE SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING THAT COULD BE A YEAR AWAY AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNDER CONSTRUCTION THEN YOU CHARGE THAT. IT COULD BE THE SAME PERSON BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?
SUMAC I'M GOOD WITH THAT ONE. >> THERE IS A LIGHT ON, VICE
MAYOR STURGIS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR I WAS MAKING SURE YOU SAW ME. VERY BRIEFLY I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO ONE TO BE TIMES WITH OUR CITY WITH CONSTRUCTION SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH CHANGING THOSE TERMS I DON'T THINK IT'LL AFFECT MUCH. I THINK NUMBER TWO IS MORE IMPORTANT REDUCING FROM $4000 AND KELLY FEELS THAT WE HAVE THE LEVERAGE TO DO THAT. I WOULD DO THAT I DON'T LIKE IS GOING TO CHANGE MUCH AT ALL. AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REDUCE THE COST SLIGHTLY FOR SUBSTANCE. ISAAC IS A GOOD IDEA.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.
>> MS. SKIP SAID IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD BRING
FORWARD TO A FUTURE MEETING. >> I CAN PREPARE AS A
MASTERPIECE UPDATE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON OUR PLANNING FEE SCHEDULE.
AS TO AYSCUE. >> MS. GIPSON TOUCHED ON THE VARIANCE FEES AND I BELIEVE THEY ARE A LITTLE TOO HIGH.
I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF TIMES HAVE VARIANCE RELIEF AND SOME OF THIS IS THAT AND I DON'T SEE WHY WE ARE CHARGING DAMAGE I KNOW THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED AND I KNOW MS. GIPSON AND HER STAFF HAVE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE WHETHER IT'S THE HBC OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THEY HAVE MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE UP BUT TO ME I THINK THOSE FEES ARE WAY TOO HIGH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THEM COME DOWN. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, ANY
FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> HABITAT WE ALWAYS WAIT AND SEE, THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO WHAT IS THE COST OF GOING BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS $3000.
>> IS $2500 THE FEE THAT WE CHARGE AND THE COST THAT WE INCUR ON STAFF TIME IN THE NOTICE IS ABOUT $930.
>> THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF THE SOFT COST?
>> CORRECT. >> YOU CAN KEEP CUTTING FEES BUT ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE PAID FOR WE WANT TO CUT TAXES AND FEES AND THAT'S FINE BUT AT SOME POINT HOW DO YOU PAY FOR ALL OF THIS? I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IF YOU WANT TO CUT THE FEE AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE PAID FOR ALL THE SOFT COST THAT MS. GIPSON SO NICELY
ARTICULATED. >> COMMISSIONER ANTON.
>> THE OF THE NUMBERS HOW OFTEN WERE CHARGING AND HOMINY CASES WE HAVE A YEAR TO JUSTIFY WHAT WE ARE GETTING.
>> I CAN PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU OVER THE PAST OF TO A 16 YEAR TIMEFRAME. BUT I WOULD SAY ON AVERAGE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 7 - 10 AT MOST PER YEAR.
>> ON THE VARIANCES. WE DON'T SEE THAT MANY VARI VARIANCES. WERE RESPONSIBLE WE RECKON IS IS A PROBLEM WITH THE CODE WE LOOK FOR WAYS TO CHANGE IT.
>> TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER ROSS IS POINT THIS IS 25 - $50000 RANGE PER YEAR THAT THE CITY WOULD BE ALTERING DEPENDING WHAT FEE WE LAND ON IF WE CHANGE THE FEE.
>> POTENTIALLY. >> COMMISSIONER ASK YOU.
>> IT WAS CLEARLY STATED THE PURPOSE IS TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. IT IS THAT AMOUNT AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT IN MY OPINION TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM COMING IN FRONT OF THE VOA AND HDC JUST TO EVEN ASK.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME GOOD CASES OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE
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WOULD SAY I'M NOT GOING TO ROLL THE DICE ON PAYING $5000 TO GO IN FRONT OF THE VOA AND HAVE THEM TELL ME KNOW SO I GUESS I'LL LIVE WITHOUT WHATEVER IS I'M ASKING FOR.FOR ME I JUST LOOK AT IT AS AN EXORBITANT COST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LOWER EVEN IF IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT.
>> VICE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
KELLY, BRIEFLY CAN YOU TELL ME THE NUMBER THE 502,500 I SOLID AND I LOOKED AT IT BUT WE WHATEVER SO MUCH STUFF CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY REALLY QUICK I'VE ONLY APPLIED FOR ONE IS A
BUILDER BUT REFRESH MY MEMORY. >> VARIANCES WE CHARGE $2500 FOR RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS AND $5000 FOR NONRESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL MIXED-USE TYPES OF PROJECTS WHICH ARE MORE INTENSE.
>> I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER BUT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE COST EACH YEAR END WHAT HER REAL COST ARE NOT JUST A GUESSTIMATE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE I SAY YES OR NO. I KIND OF AGREE WITH DARREN BUT I WANT TO SEE THE COST BEFORE I SAY YES OR NO ON MOVING FORWARD
WITH REDUCING IT. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.
MS. GIPSON ARE THOSE NUMBERS YOU COULD GET FOR THE COMMISSION.
>> I GET YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SOFT COST THAT WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY CAPTURED IN AN ATTEMPT TO WIGGLE IT DOWN TO THE
AVERAGE CASES ON ANNUAL BASIS. >> THE CUMIS GIPSON.
>> I WOULD SAY AYE AGREE. I THINK I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY.
HE ALREADY SPOKE SO FAR I'M IN FAVOR OF REDUCING FEES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT THINK THE PLATING DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE AMENDING MAKING OPPORTUNITY. THAT IS NOT A PLACE FOR US TO MAKE MONEY, IT'S A PLACE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS.
TO COMMISSIONER ANTUN'S POINT, I WANT TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THE PLATING DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO PAY FOR ITSELF. BUT I DON'T THINK WERE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY OFF THE PLANE DEPARTMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A REASONABLE AMOUNT.
I THINK COMMISSIONER AYSCUE AND COMMISSIONER ANTUN MAKE GOOD
POINTS. >> ONE LAST POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS WITH THIS IN MIND ONE INSTANCE OF FEEDBACK I GOT FROM A FELLOW BUSINESS OWNER WHEN THEY WERE APPLYING FOR THE VARIANCE AND DENIED IN A THE $5000 FEE I WAS CURIOUS AMONG US COMMISSIONERS IF THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY TO PUT A CONTINGENCY IN PLACE AND IF THEY ARE DENIED THERE IS A MODIFIED FEE WITH THE CITY COST BUT NOT THE FULL FEE POSSIBLY A SUGGESTION IN CASE THERE DENIED TO COMMISSIONER ASK USE CREDIT THEY DON'T FEEL DISCOURAGED TO BOTHER WITH THE PROCESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
>> THAT IS AN INTERESTING POINT. >> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER AS WE GET THE NEXT NUMBERS IF THAT IS OKAY
WITH YOU COMMISSIONER ANTUN. >> SURE.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM THERE AND WE WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE NUMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THAT VERY IMPORTANT PRESENTATION WE
[3.2 YBOR ALVAREZ SPORTS COMPLEX]
CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT. MOVING ALONG ITEM NUMBER TWO ON THE AGENDA IS THE SOCCER FIELDS. THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR.>> IT SHOULD SURPRISE YOU THAT I HAVE A POWERPOINT.
>> VERY EXCITING. >> WE SAW A SNEAK PREVIEW OF A SECOND AGO. WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
>> WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS VERY BRIEFLY AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT MORE DETAIL HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH SOFTBALL FIELDS, THOSE WERE PUT IN IN THE 1980S, THEY WERE DONE WITH THE GRANT FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY CONTRIBUTED $38000 IN CHANGE TO THAT AND THEN THE SOCCER FIELD OVER HERE WHICH WERE DONE IN THE '90S ALSO WITH THE GRANT WITH THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR $120,000, ALL THIS PROPERTY IS CALLED AIRPORT YOUR ANOMALY PROPERTY. IF SUMMARY COMES ALONG AND WANTS TO PUT IN AERONAUTICAL FACILITY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG AND ANYTHING THAT I SAY. IF THEY WOULD'VE PUT IN AERONAUTICAL FACILITY THEN BY RIGHT FROM THE FAA BECAUSE IT TAKEN SO MUCH MONEY AND GRANT MONEY AND SO WANT TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT THE AERONAUTICAL FACILITY.
THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY THE APPROPRIATE FEES AND COSTS IN WHATEVER. WHAT IS COME ALONG THE GROUP IS COME ALONG TO PUT HANGERS THERE SO THE SOCCER FIELDS WILL NOW BE
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DISPLACED. THIS IS THE AREA WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT AND THIS IS THE AREA OVER HERE EACH PARCEL IS A LITTLE OVER 10 ACRES AND ARE SERVED BY THE COMMON PATHWAY.CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OVER 700 I'M GOING TO CALL THE BALL COUNTY KIDS.
EVERY KID WHETHER THEY WOULD LIVE IN THE CITY OR THE COUNTY CHILDREN USE THESE FIELDS. AND THEY ARE THE POOR AND PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. IN THE CURRENT SOCCER FIELDS ARE GOING TO BE LEASED BY OTHERS BY HANGER CONSTRUCTION AND THEY PUT THE REQUEST IN OR ABOUT TO PUT IT IN.
THE IDEA TO BUILD A NEW SOCCER COMPLEX WITH THE CURRENT COMPLEX IS CURRENTLY LOCATED. WHAT IS NOW HERE WOULD BE MOVED OVER TO HEAR. NEXT ONE.
THE COST OF LAND ACQUISITION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW SOCCER COMPLEX WILL BE SPLIT EQUALLY BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THE CITY WILL PRIMARILY FUND THIS WITH PREVIOUSLY COLLECTED CITY IMPACT THERE'S NO TAX INCREASE IF THE MONEY IS OVER $4 MILLION RIGHT NOW WITH PARKS AND RECREATION IMPACT. THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO OWN AND OPERATE THE COMPEX. THE AIRPORT WOULD NO LONGER OWN THE LAND IN THE CITY WOULD OWN THE LAND AND OPERATE IN PERPETUITY. THE CITY WILL RENOVATE AND REDEVELOP THE FACILITIES IN THE SOFTBALL FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE USES OF THE SOFTBALL FIELDS. THERE IS FUNDING IN THE NEXT BUDGET GENERAL FUND TO DO THAT. THE ESTIMATED LAND COST IS $1.8 MILLION AND IS BASED ON AN APPRAISAL.
THAT IS A SOFT NUMBER, PRETTY CLOSE AND ESTIMATED DESIGN CONSTRUCTION OF THE COMPLEX IS ABOUT $1.3 MILLION.
ALL OF THIS IS CONTINGENT UPON THE FAA APPROVING THE RELEASE OF THIS FOR NON- AERONAUTICAL USE THE COUNTY AGREED TO PAY THE COST AND PRINCIPAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE COUNTY MANAGER THEY COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO DOING THIS. IT IS THE ABILITY TO USE IMPACT FEES FOR FUNDING IN THE CITY COMMISSION AGREES TO FUND ALL OF THIS. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS OBTAIN A SURVEY TO DELINEATE THE PROPERTY INCLUDING THE ROAD ACCESS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE WE NEED TO REPACKAGE THE SURVEY.
WE NEED TO HAVE A APPRAISAL REVISED AND BY THE FA REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER APPRAISER REVIEW THE APPRAISAL AND WE NEED TO OBTAIN ANOTHER SECOND APPRAISAL SO YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF TWO APPRAISALS AND ONE BEING REVIEWED.
THEN WE WOULD SEND A LETTER TO THE FAA ASKING FOR RELEASE AND SALE OF THE AIRPORT OBLIGATE A PROPERTY YOU NEED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE STATE OVER THE GRANT REPAYMENT FOR THE SOFTBALL COMPLEX IS ONE OF THE CONTINGENCIES ON THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. IF YOU WERE EVER TO GET AWAY WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM THEIR MONEY BACK OR REPLACE IT SO WE CAN NEGOTIATE BUT WERE TALKING $38000.
THEN WE NEED TO SIGN AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY PAYING 50% OF ACQUISITION COST AND DESIGN OF CONSTRUCTION COST THEN WE DESIGNED THE COMPLEX, BUILT THE COMPLEX AND WE ALSO MOVE THE SOFTBALL FIELD AS DISCUSSED.
ALL OF THAT IS DOABLE WITHIN THE NEXT NINE MONTHS.
ASSUMING THAT THE FAA DOES NOT UNDULY DELAY THINGS.
I GUESS, NOT JUST, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR THAT WE ALL AGREE TO THIS USABLE PLAN MOVE FORWARD SO THE KIDS HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY ON. CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS?
>> THANK YOU FOR SUMMARIZING THE I DO APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING IT UP THERE. A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK ON THERE THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT, NUMBER ONE.
>> WHICH ONE. >> ON THE SECOND SLIDE I WANT TO POINT OUT THE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE GOOD TO GO WE HAVE A PLAN AND STAFF IS WORKING ON MOST OF THE BULLETS.
I WANT TO POINT OUT WE CAN USE IMPACT FUNDS ON A NEW SOFTBALL FIELD AS WELL BECAUSE THAT WILL BE NEW AND WE HAVE TO FULFILL MULTIPLE LAND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE $38000 AND WE WILL BE ABLE
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TO FILL THAT BY REPLACING THE SOFTBALL FIELDS IN ANOTHER LOCATION WHICH WE WILL WORK ON AND I THINK WE CAN WORK OUT MULTIPLE BRIDGES THE STONE BY SOFTBALL FIELDS AND ANOTHER ONE NEXT TO IT IN THE IMPACT FEES WILL MAKE IT SO WE CAN USE THAT REALLY NICE AND REALLY NEW WE CAN USE IMPACT FEES FOR OUR PROPORTION OF THE SOCCER FIELDS IN THE CITY'S HALF OF THIS IS COMING FROM IMPACT THESE PARKS AND RECREATION TO USE IMPACT FEES AND BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH ACCOUNTING, I FEEL WERE NEVER GOOD SPOT FOR THE COUNTY COMING IN MEETING US IN THE MIDDLE AND COMING OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A WIN-WIN. I'VE NOT HEARD ANYONE FROM THE COMMISSION OPPOSED TO THIS PLAN I THINK IT'S THE BEST WAY TO SAVOR FIELDS AND MAKE SURE YBOR ALVAREZ IS A GREAT PLACE FORCHILDREN TO PLAY. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR WE CAN GO FORWARD AND GET THE APPRAISALS IN THE SURVEY AND ALL OF THOSE
THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE. >> IS ANY COMMISSIONER THAT IS
OPPOSED TO THE PLAN? >> GREAT.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PLAN ALL AROUND.
THANK YOU STAFF I KNOW YOU PUT CONSIDER EFFORT WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THIS PLAN.
ALRIGHT THAT IS EVERYTHING WE HAVE A HALF AN HOUR LEFT IN THE WORKSHOP. DOES ANYBODY WISH -- THE BINDER IS LOOKING GOOD.
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