Jun 14, 2023 Planning Advisory Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

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GOOD EVENING. I WAS WATCHING THE CLOCK UP THERE, AND APPARENTLY THE BATTERIES ARE DEAD.

SO IT IS 5:00.

HOWEVER, THIS IS THE PLANNING AND ADVISORY BOARD REGULAR MEETING, JUNE 14TH, 2023.

IT IS 5:00 M WE ARE MEETING IN THE CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS IN FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.

MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? . OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THE MINUTES ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED AND FOR APPROVAL IN OUR JULY MEETING.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO IN MUCH DETAIL.

WE JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEM ON OVER INTO JULY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? YOU DON'T WANT TO APPROVE THEM TONIGHT? NO. OKAY.

I DO HAVE A CHANGE FOR IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IT LATER.

LATER? CAN WE DO THAT LATER? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD? NO. HEARING NONE.

NEW BUSINESS.

I DON'T HEAR ANY NEW BUSINESS.

[6.1 Task Force on Safe Biking and Walking - Updates from Chair Spino]

WE HAVE SOME FANTASTIC UPDATES AND PRESENTATIONS, AND SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAPHNE AND STAFF.

THANKS. I SHOULD WE DO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CITIZENS BIKE WALKING FIRST OR WOULD YOU LIKE STAFF UPDATES AT THE BEGINNING? I THINK HEARING THE PRESENTATION WOULD BE GREAT.

GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

MY NAME IS MIKE SPINO.

I LIVE AT 317 SOUTH FIFTH STREET IN BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH.

AND TONIGHT I'M WEARING THE CITIZENS TASK FORCE FOR SAFE WALKING AND BIKING HAT.

THE GENESIS OF THIS GROUP IS THAT LAST EARLIER THIS YEAR, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY STAFF AND WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY. WE WERE A LITTLE SURPRISED BY HOW THAT CONVERSATION PROGRESSED BECAUSE WHEN WE STARTED BRINGING PEOPLE INTO THE ROOM APRIL 17TH FOR WHAT WAS OUR FIRST GAME. WELL, LET ME BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO WE HAVE ROBIN, LET'S DOUG ROSELLE, LANE ROBERTS, MYSELF, TOM CAMERA AND VALERIE FEINBERG.

JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

ROBIN LANCE IS FORMER MAYOR.

AVERY'S RESIGN? DOUG IS A RETIRED ENGINEER.

CONSERVATIONIST. TRIATHLETE.

LANE ROBERTS, LOCAL BUSINESSWOMAN AND LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

TOM CAMERA IS VICE CHAIR AT THE PARK.

AND VALERIE FEINBERG IS ANOTHER CITY PLANNER AND A HEALTH CARE PLAN STAFF HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL.

LORELAI AND KELLY HELPED US SET THE AGENDA AND REALLY KEPT US MOVING FORWARD.

JEREMIAH IS ALWAYS HELPFUL.

HIS FOREHAND HAS BEEN INVALUABLE IN HER PREPARATION SKILLS.

SLIDE. SO WE THOUGHT, WE'LL GET THE PUBLIC TOGETHER AND THEY'LL COME IN AND THEY'LL SAY, HERE'S ALL THESE MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WE WANT THE CITY TO DO. AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SAID.

THEY SAID SPEEDING IS A REAL PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY SAFETY AND SPEEDING ARE A REAL PROBLEM IN COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY ON ATLANTIC AVENUE, FLETCHER AVENUE AND CITRONA AVENUE.

WELL TO STATE STREETS AND A COUNTY STREET COUNTY ROAD.

SO THE FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATION CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR US BREAK THIS RECOMMENDATIONS DOWN INTO THREE PARTS, AN ADVOCACY AGENDA WHERE WE WANT CITY COMMISSION AND STAFF TO WORK WITH THE STATE AND THE COUNTY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND A COUPLE OF SMALL PROJECTS, 2 OR 3 SMALL PROJECTS WE THINK COULD BE REALLY IMPACTFUL ON THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE IN THE CITY SIDE OF THINGS.

AND THEN SOME MEDIUM TERM, A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, A LITTLE MORE WORK DOWN THE ROAD.

SO WE DID THE SURVEY.

WE HAD A MEETING ON APRIL 17TH.

WE HAD 82.

WE HAD IN ATTENDANCE AT MAY 23RD WITH FDOT AT 41 IN ATTENDANCE, AND ON LAST THE OTHER DAY,

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THE WE COLLATED 142 ONLINE SURVEYS AND I THINK DIRECTOR GIBSON FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.

AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT 55 OF THE 142 POINTED TO SOUTH FLETCHER AS A PROBLEM FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

THAT'S 40%.

THOSE ARE THE NUMBER.

I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.

WHAT ARE THOSE HEADERS MEAN? THERE'S NOT A TITLE ON THE HEADER.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT VALUE OF 55 VALUE IS.

THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO MENTIONED FLETCHER IN THEIR SURVEY.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'LL FIX THAT FOR THE CITY COMMISSION.

THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOP 3 OR 4 THINGS CAUGHT MOST OF EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.

SO AGAIN, WE GO TO THIS MEETING IN APRIL AND WHAT DO WE HEAR, MARCH? WELL, WHAT DO WE HEAR IS SPEEDING AND SAFETY.

AND FLETCHER'S A MESS.

SO WE WORK ON THIS ADVOCACY AGENDA, WHICH FORTUNATELY DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.

RIGHT? BECAUSE THE OUR COMMISSIONERS CAN GO LOBBY.

IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING. SLIDE WHAT'S WRONG WITH FLETCHER? WELL, WE ASKED THEM TO REPAVE IT AND THEY SAID IT'S ON THE SCHEDULE FOR 2028.

AND I SAID, YOU'VE GOT A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE MY AGE.

AND THEY SAID, WE MAY NOT BE ALIVE IN 2028.

AND SO WE DID POINT TWO.

SO WE DID GET THEM TO THINK ABOUT REPAIRS.

THEY WERE LIKE THE WINDOW WAS OPEN ON REPAIRS.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPAIRS, UNEVEN BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS, NO SIDEWALK AT ALL SOUTH OF SADLER.

AND AS YOU KNOW, JUST GETTING ACROSS FLETCHER TO THE BEACH AND BACK FROM THE BEACH, WE REALLY THINK THERE SHOULD BE CROSSWALKS, HIGH VISIBILITY AND OTHER CROSSWALKS ADDED TO THE BEACH ACCESSES AND TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES ALONG SOUTH FLETCHER.

THAT WHEN I REALLY THINK IS A GOOD IDEA, YOU GET IT NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS IT? I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT THAT'S WHY IT'S FIRST SOME PICTURES GREAT OKAY.

ATLANTIC AVENUE IS SUBJECT TO A STATE REPAVING AND UPDATING IN 2025.

WE WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO HAD THIS GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR.

HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PRETTY EASY TO GET INTO FORT CLINCH WHEN I WAS A KID, SO NOT ANYMORE.

THERE'S LITERALLY NO LEFT TURN LANE EASTBOUND INTO FORT CLINCH, WHICH IS KIND OF ASTOUNDING IN 2023.

SO OUR ENGINEERS ON OUR BOARD SAID, LOOK, WE NEED TO ASK THE STATE FOR A SAFETY STUDY.

WE THINK THEY NEED TO MEASURE VEHICLE, PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE TRAFFIC.

WE THINK WE NEED SIGNAGE, LIGHTS AND CROSSWALKS.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THERE'S ONE CROSSWALK FROM 14TH TO THE BEACH AND THAT'S EXITRON.

YEP. AND THEN SAFE SPEED IS ALSO DETERMINATION.

SO WE NEED TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THIS NOW.

WE NEED OUR COMMISSIONERS TO BE LOBBYING THE STATE FOR SAFETY STUDY SO THAT WE DON'T GET TO 2025 AND THEY JUST DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITHOUT COMMUNITY INPUT.

SO CAME UP A LOT OF MOMS IN THE GROUP.

MY KIDS ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL ON CITRONA.

IT'S REALLY NOT SAFE.

WE SHOULD ASK THE COUNTY TO FOCUS ON THIS.

WE DID. WE HAD ROBERT COMPANION IN OUR FIRST MEETING.

IT'S ON HIS RADAR.

HE KNOWS IT'S AN ISSUE.

HE'S GOT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS HE'S WORKING ON.

SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE STAFF TO ELEVATE THAT FOR HIM SO THAT WE CAN GET WORK DONE ON TORONTO.

SO GO BACK ONE, PLEASE.

NOT JUST THERE YESTERDAY.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT.

IT'S A VERY NARROW ROADWAY.

LET ME MAKE ONE COMMENT.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING ON SATRONIA.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER ASKEW HAS ALREADY GOTTEN THE POWER TURNED BACK ON.

IT'S A NON ISSUE. THE REST OF THIS YEAR.

BUT I HAVE DRIVEN THAT TWICE NOW.

IT'S VERY SPOTTY AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE AREN'T GOING TO BE PEOPLE ON BICYCLES RIDING DOWN THERE MAYBE AT DUSK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

GOT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M A CYCLIST.

WE AVOID THIS.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT'S VERY SPLOTCHY WHERE THERE'S NOT A UNIFORM LIGHTING STRUCTURE.

SURE. I PROMISE. TEN MINUTES. BUT I'M TAKING QUESTIONS NOW.

OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY, BARBARA, I'LL TELL YOU.

IT'S REALLY.

I COME IN AND OUT OF THE WIRE A LOT, AND IT'S THE CROSS.

IT'S THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF THOSE IT BECAUSE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, KIDS DON'T WATCH AND THEY'RE FLYING ACROSS WITH THEIR SKATEBOARDS AND THEIR BIKES.

AND IT'S JUST IT'S PRETTY DANGEROUS FOR THEM.

WELL, I CERTAINLY HEARD THAT FROM MOM, LANCE AND OTHERS IN THE ROOM, AND IT WASN'T ON MY RADAR.

BUT I GET IT.

THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, BECAUSE YOU CAN LEARN WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

IN 2019, WE WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND WORKED ON A PROPOSAL FOR A TRAIL FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL TO DOWNTOWN.

IT WAS PRETTY WELL RECEIVED.

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WE THINK WE LIKE TO AGAIN ADVOCATE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

THERE'S YOUR MAP.

IT GOES HICKORY BY THE SCHOOL BALL FIELDS 11TH STREET UP TO THE PECK DOWN GUM STREET AND THEN ALONG THIRD INTO DOWNTOWN.

THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS WELL RECEIVED, PRETTY POSITIVE.

WE THINK THAT IT'LL FLY.

IT'S THE SAME NON STREET PATH EXCUSE ME.

NON STREET PATH OFF THE STREET TO MAIN STREET.

YEAH. SOMEWHERE. YEAH.

NOT EXACTLY RIGHT. NOT ON THE SIDE, THE STREET BECAUSE AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT GUM STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GET THAT NICE WIDE OPEN RIGHT OF WAY WITH NOTHING ON IT.

RIGHT. THAT'S A PRETTY EASY WIN.

NO, I KNOW A LOT OF CITIES WILL TAKE OLD RAILROAD TRACKS AND TAKE THEM OVER, MAKE BIKE TRAILS OUT OF THEM.

CSX ISN'T GIVING UP ANYTHING.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE DON'T. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

EIGHTH STREET. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CROSS.

A LOT OF CYCLISTS, RUNNERS, COMMUTERS ARE USING CLINCH DRIVE TO GET OVER TO AMELIA ROAD, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO.

I TOOK THIS YESTERDAY.

THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL.

45MPH THROUGH THERE.

I THINK WE THINK A SPEED STUDY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

TRY TO CALM THINGS DOWN.

PERHAPS A PUSH A CROSS LIGHT THERE, SHADE BRIDGE.

SO COMMUTERS ON OUR E-BIKES ARE COMING OVER THE SHADE BRIDGE TO GO TO WORK ON THE ISLAND, WHICH IS GREAT, EXCEPT IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS, ESPECIALLY WESTBOUND. THERE'S LITERALLY NO SIDEWALK, NO PATH, NO SHOULDER.

I COULDN'T GET YOU A PICTURE OF THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T SAFE TO STAND OUT THERE AND GET A PICTURE.

BUT WE WANT THE STATE TO LOOK AT IMPROVING THE WESTBOUND BOTH SIDES, EASTBOUND SIDE AND THE WESTBOUND SIDE.

BIKE LANES, AT LEAST A SHOULDER AND AND STRIPING.

OKAY. SO LET ME STOP RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S THE SIX POINT ADVOCACY AGENDA THAT WE WANT THE CITY TO WORK ON.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH TWO OF THE THREE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, IT'S BEEN WELL RECEIVED.

YOU KNOW, BEING THE LAST ISLAND IN NORTH FLORIDA, I GET THE GUYS HERE WAS PRETTY INTERESTING.

THEY WERE THEY WOULDN'T COMMIT TO THE LAST MINUTE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE GOING TO SHOW UP.

BUT THEY CAME HERE AND THEY LISTENED TO US.

I WON'T SAY THEY WERE AS RECEPTIVE AS WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE, BUT WE THINK THAT OUR CITY COMMISSION CAN DO THAT.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU. PLEASE GO AHEAD.

AND LOOKING THROUGH YOUR PACKAGE, I DON'T I CERTAINLY DIDN'T SEE ANY FAULTS WITH IN TERMS OF WHAT THE APPROACH AND SCHEME AND WOULD BE.

BUT WHO WHO IS GOING TO RUN THIS? WHO IS THE FACTORY MANAGER, SO TO SPEAK, OR IS IT GOING TO BE TPO? IS IT GOING TO BE THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION? IS IT GOING TO BE THE COUNTY? THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S CARRYING THE FLAG THAT OWNS THIS PROJECT.

WE'RE TALKING MAYOR. LAST WEEK HE WAS ON HIS WAY TO A MEETING WITH TPO, AND I HANDED HIM THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I SAID, TAKE THIS FOR YOUR CONVERSATION.

OKAY. I THINK OUR LEADERS ARE OUR STAFF PEOPLE.

JEREMIAH, MAYOR, BEEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE ADVOCACY AGENDA.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES PUSHING THOSE ITEMS ONTO THE TPO LIST.

SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY ON THE TPO LIST.

AND THAT'S HOW I WOULD SEE THAT PROCEEDING.

AND WE THE CITIZENRY NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO SHOW UP AND SAY, HEY, YOU REMEMBER YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE.

AND IS THAT HAPPENING? BECAUSE I THINK YOU CAN'T LET GO OTHERWISE THEY JUST FALL BY THE WAYSIDE.

WELL, THAT'S MY POINT.

BUT THERE HAS TO BE A SMALL ENOUGH.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NECESSARILY A PERSON, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEBODY RESPONSIBLE FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT.

AND IT'S NOT ONLY ME SAYING WE NEED A PARKING, BIKING, WALKING PERSON HERE ON CITY STAFF BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I'VE HEARD MUCH ROOM FOR THAT. PROBABLY NOT IN TODAY'S WORLD, NO, BUT LOGICALLY, YOU HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A BIKING PROBLEM, YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK, YOU HAVE A WALKING PROBLEM.

AND THEY'RE ALL INTERRELATED.

THEY'RE ALL INTERRELATED. THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ON STAFF WHO SPENT MOST OF THEIR TIME WORKING ON THAT? WELL, IT'S SOMETHING TO JUST THINK ABOUT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CURED TODAY.

I MEAN, YOU'RE KIND OF BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO EVERYBODY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME ATTENTION BEING PAID, BUT I JUST GET CONCERNED A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE WE'RE DOING NEXT YEAR'S PLAN.

WHO'S GOING TO BE WHO'S GOING TO BE INPUTTING FOR THE CITY AND SO FORTH.

THE SCHOOLS IN DOWNTOWN TRAIL CITY THAT STARTED IN 19 AND WE KIND OF GOT HUNG UP WITH COVID.

BUT IT'S BACK AND WE'RE NOT WORKING.

WELL, I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

PLEASE, IF BE CAREFUL ON YOUR SPEED STUDY ON ROADS.

YES, PLEASE TELL ME MORE.

WE'VE HAD SOME THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD DO IT TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT.

AND IT TURNED OUT WE RAISED IT BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MEASURE THE SPEED THAT THE CARS ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELING.

YEAH. AND IF IT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT IS ACTUALLY POSTED, THEY CAN RAISE IT.

YEAH, I SOMETIMES I WONDER ABOUT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS.

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AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE COME FROM THE PREVENTIVE SCHOOL.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU FIX IT BEFORE SOMEONE DIES.

AND THEY WERE NOT AMUSED.

YEAH, YOU WOULD IF YOU HAD A COUPLE ACCIDENTS AT FORT CLINCH THAT YOU COULD CITE.

YOU PROBABLY GET THE LEFT TURN.

TWO DEATHS WILL DICTATE.

IT REALLY JUST TAKES ACCIDENTS.

IF YOU HAVE 3 OR 4 OF THOSE, THEY'LL BUILD ONE.

I'M NOT GOING TO I'M NOT VOLUNTEERING.

YEAH, THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT KIND OF SMALL, SMALL ISH IN PROCESS.

RIGHT NOW, CITY STAFF IS WORKING ON ROLLING OUT THE TEXT BY GOV APP.

WE NEED TO BROADCAST THIS AS BROADLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

YOU NEED THAT PHONE NUMBER IN YOUR PHONE AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET AND YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S UNSAFE AND YOU TAKE A PICTURE AND YOU TEXT IT TO THE NUMBER AND THE NUMBER GOES TO PROBABLY TO JEREMIAH FOR THE MOST PART AND HIS TEAM TO WORK ON.

WE THINK THIS IS A BRILLIANT STRATEGY OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE AVAILABLE TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S IN PROCESS, RIGHT? DIRECTOR IT'S YEAH, YOU CAN USE YOU CAN DO IT NOW.

WHAT'S THE NUMBER? I CAN PULL IT UP.

WE SHOULD LET'S PUT THAT IN THE SLIDE FOR THE CITY COMMISSIONER.

YES. WELL I'LL SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

OKAY? OKAY. THANKS.

THANK YOU. SORRY. MISS DAPHNE IS A WHIZ LIME STREET.

THERE'S A PATH RIGHT NOW BEHIND THROUGH LIME STREET PARK AT LIME THAT RUNS BEHIND O'REILLY AUTO PARTS OVER TO SEVENTH STREET.

IT'S ALREADY USED BY CITY STAFF.

IT'S USED BY WALKERS, BY CYCLISTS.

WE JUST NEED TO SEE IT PAVED.

JEREMIAH IS WORKING ON IT.

HE'S GOT TO GET AN EASEMENT FROM CSX TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S A PLACE WHERE THE CITY COMMISSION CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH CSX.

I THINK 10 TO 20 10 TO $20,000 DEPENDING ON THE PRICE, 400FT, BECAUSE THAT RUN KIND OF PARALLEL TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

LET'S LOOK AT MAP. YEAH, IT DOES.

THERE'S YOUR MAP. YES.

OKAY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BLUE LINE WOULD BE A NEW SIDEWALK TO CONNECT LIME STREET.

YOU COME OVER AND YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET TO SOUTH SEVENTH STREET, SO.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE RED LINE IS WHERE YOU NEED THE RIGHT.

AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO ON EIGHTH STREET AT ALL, SIDEWALK OR OTHERWISE, TO GET TO DOWNTOWN.

WE THINK THAT'S BRILLIANT.

GREAT BIKE RACKS.

CAN YOU BACK UP THE SLIDES FOR ME, PLEASE? THANKS. ONE MORE.

SO ROBIN LANCE BROUGHT THIS UP THAT WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T CALMED DOWN AND SO WE NEED TO GET THEM ON ISLAND TIME.

AND SHE SUGGESTS THAT WE USE THE TDC TO PROMOTE PEOPLE SLOWING DOWN, RIDING THEIR BIKES TO CALMING THE TRAFFIC AND PROMOTE CYCLING TO THE BEACH AND SLOW TRAFFIC.

GO AHEAD, STEFAN. THANK YOU.

BIKE RACKS, WE THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE.

WE COULD HAVE BIKE RACKS IN ALMOST EVERY BEACH ACCESS THAT'S FEASIBLE.

WEATHER RESISTANT BIKE RACKS AND AN AMELIA ISLAND TOURIST DEPARTMENT COUNCIL CAMPAIGN TO GET ON ISLAND TIME.

UM. OKAY.

MOVING ON TO MORE COMPLICATED STUFF.

BEECH STREET, AS ANYONE KNOWS WHO'S EVER TRIED TO WALK ON BEECH NEAR EIGHTH.

IT'S A MESS. AND SO THE WALKING BIKING COMMUNITY REALLY WANTS TO SEE BEECH STREET DINGED UP BETWEEN EIGHTH AND 14TH.

CITY MANAGER HAS SAID HE'S GOT A PLAN FOR EIGHTH TO 10TH.

AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, LET'S SUPPORT THAT, BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT COULD BE THE MODEL FOR THE REST OF THE STREET IF WE CAN GET THESE TWO BLOCKS DONE.

AND THIS IS CURBS, SIDEWALKS, ORGANIZING THE COMPLETELY UNORGANIZED PARKING THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

LET'S BE VERY CLEAR.

WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING PARKING.

WHY? IT NEEDS TO BE ORGANIZED.

IT CAN'T BE. I TRIED TO WALK DOWN THE STREET THE OTHER DAY AND LITERALLY THE CARS PARKED OVER THE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN WE THINK 15TH STREET, WHICH RUNS LITERALLY FROM AMELIA PARK ALL THE WAY TO BOSCOBEL, COULD BE A LOW INTENSITY ALTERNATIVE FOR GETTING PEOPLE AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S WHAT DID I SAY, THREE MILES TO THREE? I CAN'T REMEMBER. LET'S LOOK AT THE MAP.

MISS DAPHNE DID THIS. GREAT MAP.

WHOOPSIE. YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO PULL IT UP.

IT'S NOT ON THIS PRESENTATION.

OH, WAIT. THERE IT IS. IT'S RIGHT THERE.

YOU DID IT. IT IS.

YOU'RE SO GOOD. YOU DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID.

SO, AMELIA PARK.

PUBLIX IS DOWN HERE.

THERE ARE A FEW PLACES WHERE CONNECTIONS NEED TO BE MADE.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK AT JASMINE THAT TEN FEET, THERE'S 600FT BETWEEN DADE STREET ON THE NORTH END AND AMELIA CIRCLE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE SERIOUS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE PAVING.

AND THERE'S SOME WETLANDS THERE.

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SO I TOOK MY LITTLE SUNDAY MORNING BIKE CLUB UP THE STREET AND NOW THEY ALL USE IT TO GO TO PUBLIX BECAUSE THEY CAN GET AROUND THAT WAY.

IT'S PRETTY SAFE. SO YOU'D HAVE A PUSH TO CROSS LIGHT, PERHAPS THAT AT ATLANTIC AND CROSSWALKS AT NECTARINE AND JASMINE AND LINE SIGNS ON THOSE STREETS SAYING, HEY, PEOPLE ARE WALKING ACROSS, WOULD YOU GO BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER? YES, YOU GO BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER.

AND WE HAD CITY STAFF REACH OUT TO THE OWNER AND THEY SAID, YEAH, IN SOME WAYS, HAVING ME RIDE BY YOUR PLACE IS ANOTHER SET OF EYEBALLS THAT KEEPS AN EYE ON THINGS. AND THAT'S HELPFUL.

SO SIGNAGE, CROSSWALKS PUSHED ACROSS LIGHTS, 600FT OF PAVED PATH AND THAT IS IT.

THAT'S IT. QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID.

STEVENSON FOLLOW THROUGH AND PAYING ATTENTION.

I ASKED YOU ANOTHER QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

WHO HAS THE FINAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PRIORITIZATION OF WHO MAKES THE FINAL CALL? WHAT FOR? A NEW TRAIL. A MODIFIED TRAIL.

AN IMPROVED TRAIL.

IN OTHER WORDS, WHO SAYS THIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT ONE AND THE NEXT ONE? WHO MAKES THE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR? SO LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT OUR FIRST MEETING WITH ROBERT COMPANION IN MARCH, APRIL 1804.

HE CAME IN AND HE TALKED ABOUT THE EXTENSION OF THE TRAIL, WHICH IS GOING TO RUN FROM FLETCHER TO EIGHTH STREET STARTING AT THE FLETCHER SIDE.

AND THAT'S EXTENSION OF THE AMELIA ISLAND TRAIL.

THE COUNTY'S ADMINISTERING THAT PROJECT.

IT'S ON COUNTY PROPERTY PARKWAYS COUNTY.

AND THEN ROBERT WALKED THROUGH THE OTHER TRAILS ON THE ISLAND THAT HE HAS ADVOCATED FOR AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED.

ONE OF MY OTHER HATS IS I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE FRIENDS OF AMELIA ISLAND TRAIL.

IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR GROUPS LIKE THAT TO TAKE PROJECTS TO THE COUNTY, AND THE COUNTY TAKES IT TO THE TPO.

TPO MAKES IT A PRIORITY.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS EXTENSION, LIKE THE SIMMONS ROAD TRAIL THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTERED, THAT'S THROUGH THE TPO STATE FUNDING, OKAY.

WHICH THEY DID IN SIX MONTHS.

IT'S JUST AMAZING IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S AN 11 FOOT WIDE TRAIL, ISN'T IT? TEN. TEN AND THAT OPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

AND THEN IT JUST OVERRUN, WHICH IS PRETTY COOL.

SO YOU'VE GOT THESE EXTENSIONS OF THE AMELIA ISLAND TRAIL.

THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON A FEASIBILITY STUDY TO IMPROVE WILL HARDY SADLER AND 14TH STREET, WHICH INCLUDES GETTING RID OF THE SUICIDE LANE ON 14TH STREET AND A TRAIL ON ONE SIDE, LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS, TRAFFIC CALMING.

YOU MAY RECALL SENATOR BEAM, LITERALLY AS HE WAS GOING OUT THE DOOR, GOT $5.7 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT AND THAT.

SO ROBERT IS NOW PROCEEDING THROUGH THE TPO TO DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT.

SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS GENERALLY SPEAKING, PROJECTS GET ELEVATED EITHER FROM STAFF LEVEL OR THE COMMUNITY TO THE COUNTY AND TO THE TPO.

AND THEN THEY GET THIS ANSWER THAT NO, THAT'S OKAY.

THERE IS A TRAIL, SO TO SPEAK.

THERE'S A TRAIL FOR THE TRAIL.

YES, IT'S A TRAIL FOR THE TRAIL.

IT'S INTERESTING FOR ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T WORK IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHEN I WORKED IN GOVERNMENT.

AND SO LEARNING ALL THESE PIECES, UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS TO SELL, ACTUALLY DOES EVERY DAY.

THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME THE MOST, IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MULTIPLE PIECES.

YOU'VE GOT FOUR AND FIVE PLAYERS IN ALMOST EVERY TRAIL YOU HAVE BECAUSE IT CAN BE CITY COUNTY, IT CAN BE UTILITIES, IT CAN BE JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S THE CITY AND THE COUNTY DRIVING THE BUS WITH THE TPO.

IF YOU GET ON A TPO LIST, YOU HAVE A PRETTY DECENT CHANCE OF HAPPENING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A GREAT COUNTY ENGINEER LIKE WE DO IN ROBERT GREAT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR LIKE WE DO IN JEREMIAH. THOSE GUYS CAN CARRY THE WATER IF YOU GIVE THEM THE FUNDS TO DO IT.

WHO COVERS THE EXPENSE OF, SAY, FIXING THE LIGHTING PROBLEM ON SATURNA? WELL, IF COUNTY ROAD COUNTY PROBLEM THAT'S AN ISSUE.

COUNTY ROAD. YEAH, BUT THAT'S AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE RATES THAT WE SHOWED YOU ON FLETCHER STATE ROAD, STATE PROPERTY, THE COUNTY DOES NOT PAY FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON SATURNA.

WHAT'S THAT? THIS COUNTY DOES NOT PAY THE EXPENSE OF THE ELECTRICAL SERVICES FOR THE LIGHTING ON SATURNA.

YOU'RE GETTING INTO INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS? YES, I AM. I'M JUST I JUST MAKING THE POINT THAT WHO'S GOING TO OWN THAT WHEN YOU DO FIX THE PROBLEM? WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN THE 20 OR SO YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE IS THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM WITH MAINTENANCE ON EVERY STREET THAT ISN'T OWNED

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IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET FIXED.

ROBERT IS VERY HELPFUL.

AND IN FACT, WHEN WE GOT THE GUYS HERE, WE WERE ABLE TO CONTACT THEM AFTERWARDS AND SAID, THERE'S A POTHOLE HERE AND THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE, AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE.

BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THREE OVERLAPPING GOVERNMENTAL JURISDICTIONS IN THIS LINE, WELL, PEOPLE COME TO ME AND THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS.

WHY IS IT THE CITY FIXING EIGHTH STREET CITY DOESN'T CONTROL EIGHTH STREET? AT LEAST YOU DIDN'T QUESTION THE UNDERMINING METHODOLOGY BEHIND THE SURVEY.

WE GOT THAT THE OTHER DAY.

WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK PEOPLE IN JULY? OKAY. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET.

LET'S SOLVE THE ISLAND PROBLEM.

I NEED TO LET YOU GO BEFORE WE TAKE ONE LAST QUESTION.

UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU.

I GOT ONE JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT.

I LIKE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING.

I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN BIKES AND I'VE BEEN RIDING BIKES 99% OF MY LIFE.

AND THIS IS ABOUT SAFETY.

IT'S ABOUT PROVIDING SOME OPTIONS FOR FOLKS, MAKE IT OVER OVERALL MORE SAFE ON THE ISLAND.

ONE OF THE THINGS AND I LIVE IN, CROSS THROUGH THAT THIRD LEFT HAND PICTURE EVERY DAY BECAUSE THAT IS 15TH IN PARK.

YEAH, I GO RIGHT THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE HAD BIKES FLY RIGHT THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION WITHOUT STOPPING.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF THAT STUFF THAT GOES ON THERE.

AND AMELIA PARK AND ALL AND WHATEVER.

I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THAT DEGREE, BUT SOMEHOW WE GOT TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT TO BIKERS THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIGNAGE OR WHAT TO, YOU KNOW, BE SAFE WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE.

IT'S THE E-BIKES ARE TERRIFYING.

YEAH. BUT I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE NOT EVEN STOPPING AT STOP SIGNS.

AND IT'S THE FLORIDA LAW.

IF YOU'RE DRIVING ON THE ROAD, I'VE IS A BIKE TO STOP AT A STOP SIGN.

AND I'VE HAD BIKERS TELL ME, I BEG TO DIFFER.

SO WHATEVER.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO ROLL THAT SIGN.

BUT IF YOU'RE AT THE INTERSECTION, I'M NOT ROLLING WITH UNLESS WE'VE MADE EYE CONTACT AND YOU GO, OH, AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

I CAN SHOW YOU MY, YOU KNOW, MY LITTLE CAMERA ON MY FRONT DOOR.

SEE, I DON'T HAVE ANY BURNS OR SCRAPES BECAUSE I'M PAYING ATTENTION.

IT GOES TO THE POINT THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR A CAR AND A BIKE.

YOU HAVE TO YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE BIKE TRAILS AND.

YEAH, BUT THE ISLAND'S ONLY SO BIG, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE TACO SAID YEARS AGO WE'RE NOT BUILDING ANY MORE ROADS.

NO. AND A LOT OF PLACES IT'S HARD TO SQUEEZE IN A TRAIN.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN TO GET ALONG.

YEAH, YOU'VE GOT TO BE SAFE AROUND BIKES.

I MEAN, I WILL GO WAY OUT OF THE WAY.

I HAVE TO GO UP THERE. YES.

WOULD YOU ALLOW ME? YES, PLEASE.

COME ON. NAME AND ADDRESS.

THERESA PRINCE HERE AS A RESIDENT.

3272 FIRST AVENUE.

AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.

AND I'M DIRECTING IT THAT WAY AS WELL, BECAUSE SINCE HE DID THE STUDY, I ATTENDED NOTHING AND KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS.

SO THAT'S MY FAULT.

WHERE IS FIRST AVENUE ON THIS LIST? I MEAN, WE RISK OUR LIFE EVERY DAY ON THAT ROAD.

WE KNOW OUR FOUR WAY STOP SIGN HAS HELPED IMMENSELY, BUT IT IS THEY FLY DOWN THAT ROAD AND I'M JUST SURPRISED IT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST.

YEAH. AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE I RIDE THAT ONE.

THAT'S WHY I REALLY DON'T WANT TO RIDE ON FLETCHER TODAY.

SO I RIDE ON FIRST AVE AND I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. WE WALK IT A LOT.

AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE TURNING RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST THEY BLOW THROUGH THE STOP SIGN, WHICH IS ALREADY THERE.

SO TIME OF DAY THING YOU TAKE OUT.

YEAH. IN THE END OF THE DAY AND WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS.

I KNOW THAT I BELIEVE MISS GIBSON OR SOMEBODY GOT A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE SURF RIGHT.

YEAH. WE HAVE ONE LITTLE SIDEWALK AND MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE, SO NOBODY'S GOING TO BE.

WE HAD TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK AT MY SUBDIVISION, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO OTHER SIDEWALKS.

I'M JUST SURPRISED IT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST.

DO ANY OF YOU GUYS GO ON FIRST AVENUE? I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT WAS A STREET THAT I WOULD IDENTIFY AS A LOW INTENSITY STREET THAT WE THINK PEOPLE COULD TRAVEL ON SAFELY.

WOW. WELL, I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

YEAH. AND I CAN TELL YOU, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE UP AND DOWN IT ARE TWO EVILS.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THERESA.

PEOPLE USE FIRST AVE AS A ALTERNATE TO FLETCHER AND THERE ARE WHAT, 6 OR 8 STOP SIGNS? IF YOU GO FROM THE FIRE STATION ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RIGHT.

SO I'M TURNING RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT. TO THE LEFT IT IS A LITTLE BETTER BECAUSE OF ALL THE STOP SIGNS WHEN YOU TURN RIGHT ON.

SIMMONS IF YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS THE BEACH DOWN.

SIMMONS AND YOU TURN RIGHT, IT'S THAT STRIP ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GOLF COURSE THAT ENDS UP BEING JUST 1 OR 2 STOP SIGNS.

YEAH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT EVEN YEAH.

SO BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR NEXT MEETING, I'LL GET EVERYBODY.

I'M ABOUT OUT OF STEAM AT THIS POINT, BUT THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHY FIRST AVENUE WASN'T ON THERE.

AND I IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT, YOU COULD YOU COULD USE FIRST STAFF AS A WAY TO GET FROM THE NEW TRAIL ON THE ISLAND PARKWAY.

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BILL MELTON FIRST AVE TO SIMMONS ROAD GOT A PRETTY SAFE WAY TO GET HEAD, BUT PEOPLE WILL BLOW THROUGH THOSE STOP SIGNS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MUCH TRAFFIC SO THEY JUST IT'S MAYBE A ROLL THROUGH BUT THEY NEVER COME TO A FULL STOP AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN USE THE APP.

SURE. THANK YOU.

IT'S CARS. BUT THAT WAS GREAT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THAT WAS GOOD. GOOD PRESENTATION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? ONE. DON'T TAKE AWAY FROM THAT IS I THINK THE FOLLOW THROUGH IS REALLY GOOD.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. SAY WHAT? GO FOR IT. FOLLOW THROUGH IS REALLY.

OH, YEAH. PLEASE COME UP HERE.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA'AM.

HI, LAURIE HUMKE 751 BARRINGTON DRIVE.

FERNANDINA CITY RESIDENT.

AND I DID GO TO ALL THE MEETINGS AND I DID DO THE SURVEY AND HAD MY FRIENDS AND THE BIKER BABES, PART OF THE NEWCOMERS CLUB TO PARTICIPATE.

SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND DIFFERENT RIDERS AND SOME OF THE OTHER GROUP, BUT WE DID PARTICIPATE.

AND I'M ALSO PART OF CONSERVE NASSAU AND THE AMELIA TREE CONSERVANCY.

SO NOW THAT YOU KNOW ALL NOT ALL ABOUT ME, BUT PART ABOUT ME, LET ME ADD A COUPLE OF BIG PICTURE THINGS THAT WERE MY TAKEAWAYS.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD JOB.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN, LET'S SAY, ADVOCATING FOR SINCE MARCH 2019 IS FOR COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE CITY AROUND A LOT OF ISSUES.

SO IT'S NOT NEW FOR MANY IN THE ROOM TO HEAR ME JUST EMPHASIZE THAT WAS A BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THIS GROUP, TO SEE THAT AN EFFORT TO SEE THAT WORKING WAS INCREDIBLE.

I HAVE NOTHING BUT COMPLETE SUPPORT OF THE STAFF WHO SHOWED UP THEIR COMMITMENT.

AND WE'RE ALREADY SEEING CHANGES MADE.

AND SAME WITH THE COUNTY STAFF.

I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE STATE STAFF BECAUSE THEY SAID THE SAME THING TO THE GROUP THAT I HAD HEARD, WHICH WAS YOU REALLY CAN'T WIDEN THE ROADS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN THE OCEAN OR IN THE RIVER.

SO I THINK WE THAT WAS ONE OF MY, YOU KNOW, TAKEAWAYS.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT, AND IT GOES BACK TO MR. STEVENSON, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THE OTHER ADVOCACY THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR IN OUR GROUP IS THAT FERNANDINA BEACH NEEDS TO BE ON THE TPO.

IT'S NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT ROBERT COMPANION DOES AND SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTY PEOPLE DO.

WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE PORT WHO'S ON THE TPO, BUT WE'RE THE ONES.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERY SURVEY, WHAT DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IS TRAFFIC AND WHEN THE COUNTY COMES BACK AND AND WHAT ROBERT SAYS TO ME AND WHAT TACO SAYS TO ME IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE'RE DEALING WITH TRAFFIC IS WE'RE PUTTING IN THESE TRAILS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, MY JOKE IS I'M NOT GOING TO BE RIDING TO PUBLIX ON MY BIKE AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO SEE MY DOCTOR ON MY BIKE.

IT DOESN'T FIX TRAFFIC.

IT FIXES MY HEALTH, MY ENJOYMENT.

IT ADDS TO OUR SENSE OF PLACE, ALL THE GOOD THINGS.

AND SO I REALLY CAN DO NOTHING BUT SUPPORT THAT.

BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY ON THE TPO.

WE NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE WITH ALL OF THESE ISSUES OURSELVES.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THING.

THANK YOU.

GOOD POINT. AND I'VE ADDED THE PHONE NUMBER AND INSTRUCTIONS FOR TEXT.

MY GOV. IF ANYONE WANTED TO SAVE THAT INTO THEIR PHONE RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S THE WAY THAT YOU DO IT.

JUST TEXT HELLO TO THAT NUMBER AND IT GETS SENT OFF TO THE CITY.

YOU CAN SEND PICTURES AS WELL.

AND WHERE DOES THIS GO? THIS COMES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY.

OKAY. BUT YOU JUST ENTER THAT.

I BELIEVE IT GOES TO MARY.

YEAH. OKAY. GOT IT.

SO YOU JUST PUT IT IN AS A REGULAR TEXT MESSAGE? CORRECT. OKAY.

SO YOU'LL TEXT HELLO INITIALLY AND IT WILL GIVE YOU SOME PROMPTS AND SAY WHAT KIND OF ISSUE WOULD YOU LIKE TO REPORT? IT MIGHT BE LANDSCAPING, IT MIGHT BE SAFETY, IT MIGHT BE A SIDEWALK STREETLIGHT.

WHATEVER IT IS, IT'LL GIVE YOU SOME PROMPTS TO RESPOND TO OR YOU CAN START TYPING.

I HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE AND THEN IT WILL RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'VE INDICATED IN THERE AND THEN GIVE YOU SOME FOLLOW UP PROMPTS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND HAVE YOU DESCRIBE IT AND IT WILL ALLOW YOU TO UPLOAD PHOTOS OF IT.

SO IF YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF THE CONCERN OF THE AREA THAT YOU'RE IN, YOU CAN UPLOAD IT DIRECTLY TO IT BASED ON THE CONCERN IT WILL THEN ROUTE TO THE APPROPRIATE PERSON ON CITY STAFF SO THAT THEY'RE MADE AWARE OF IT AND CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE.

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PLEASE SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY.

IT'S A SERVICE WE'VE HAD IN PLACE FOR A WHILE AND IT HAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED, SO WE'D REALLY LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT BECAUSE IT IS CERTAINLY A VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A QUICK MECHANISM FOR REPORTING INFORMATION OR POTENTIAL SAFETY ISSUES.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT GROUP IDENTIFIED IS WE HAVE TRAFFIC DATA AND ROAD ACCIDENT DATA, BUT THOSE ARE ACTUAL ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF CATALOGING THE NEAR-MISSES OR THE.

THIS COULD HAVE JUST HAPPENED.

AND I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I SEE WHERE YOU COULD MAKE AN IMPROVEMENT TO AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE OR JUST A CONDITION THAT COULD LEAD TO AN ACCIDENT.

SO PLEASE USE THAT RESOURCE.

COULD YOU USE THIS TOOL EVEN IF, LET'S SAY YOU SAW A TREE THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY STARTING TO IMPINGE UPON THE UTILITY LINE OR SOMETHING THAT MAYBE AFTER A STORM. SO IT'S UNIVERSAL AS FAR AS IT IS.

YEAH. AND YOU CAN HAVE VERY GENERIC TERMS IN THERE LIKE TREES AND THAT WILL THEN GIVE YOU CUSTOMIZED PROMPTS THAT WILL THEN KIND OF ASK YOU FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR CONCERN.

OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ITEM SEVEN, STAFF REPORT.

[7.1 Update on Staff Items]

SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME BRIEF UPDATES ON STAFF INITIATIVES, THE FIRST BEING THE LDC RESTRUCTURING.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHERE THAT'S AT.

WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT IN A FEW MONTHS, SO WE HAVE HAD OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM OUR ATTENTION.

SO WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON, KELLY AND I, IS PROVIDING A NEW TIMELINE.

IT'S STILL MOVING FORWARD.

JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST THAT TIMELINE TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT HAVE BEEN TOP PRIORITY.

SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, IF THERE ARE ANY.

IF NOT, I WILL PASS IT ON FOR OUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER ANY QUESTIONS? JUST IN TERMS OF WHEN WOULD YOU KIND OF ENVISION NOW, BASED ON THE NEW SCHEDULE, THAT THE TAB WOULD SEE THE FIRST ITERATION? SO WE HAVE NOT FORMULATED THAT NEW SCHEDULE JUST YET.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT SCHEDULE PUT TOGETHER.

AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT SCHEDULE PUT TOGETHER, I WILL BE INFORMING YOU ALL THROUGH EMAIL OR AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

OKAY. DO YOU STILL ENVISION IT BEING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SMALL BITE AT A TIME AND JUST KIND OF WORK THROUGH IT? YES. OKAY. YES.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUST PUT IT ALL AT ONCE.

GOOD ON YOU ALL. SO YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

YEAH. YOU WANT ME TO START? SURE. OKAY. KELLY AND I ARE GOING TO KIND OF TAG TEAM.

I SENT THIS OUT TO YOU TODAY AND IT WAS NOT INTENDED FOR YOU TO READ.

IT'S MANY PAGES.

AND IT'S REALLY ALL OF THE BILLS THAT WERE PASSED THAT AFFECT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN SOME WAY.

MANY MORE BILLS WERE PASSED, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT AFFECT LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO FEEL FREE TO READ THEM.

AND I'VE SENT THEM ALL OUT TO ALL OF THE CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR EACH OF THEM TO LOOK TO SEE.

THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES THAT AFFECT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

BUT WITH REGARD TO PLANNING.

UM, THE FIRST THING THAT WE AND I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH.

NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS YET ON THESE, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SUMMARY.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST TO ANSWER, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HEARD OF SENATE BILL 102, WHICH IS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

THIS IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT AND THIS NEW LAW IS IN EFFECT.

THEY CAN ALWAYS RENEW IT, BUT IT'S IN EFFECT FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

SO THEY PUT A PERIOD OF TIME ON IT SO IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY SUNSET AFTER TEN YEARS IF IT IS NOT RENEWED AFTER TEN YEARS, BUT FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY NOT RESTRICT THE HEIGHT OF AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT.

AND ELIGIBLE PROJECTS, BY THE WAY, MEAN THAT THIS BILL IS GOING TO REQUIRE CITIES AND COUNTIES TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY RENTAL AND MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AS ALLOWABLE USES IN ANY AREA ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL OR MIXED USE.

IF AT LEAST 40% OF THE UNITS ARE AFFORDABLE TO INCOME ELIGIBLE HOUSEHOLDS AND THAT AFFORDABILITY HAS TO BE IN PLACE FOR 30 YEARS,

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SO WHAT IS THERE A DEFINITION OF? WHAT IS AFFORDABLE? YES, AFFORDABLE IS DEFINED UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

WHAT'S WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS THAT WHEN THEY SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY USE THAT TERM, IT DEFINES A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT INCOME CATEGORIES, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD, EXTREMELY LOW, VERY LOW, ALL THE WAY UP TO MODERATE INCOME.

AND SO MODERATE INCOME, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THESE ARE ROUGH NUMBERS.

NICK, HELP ME OUT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU KNOW SOMETHING.

IT'S ALL PRINTED OUT. IT IS.

WE GOT IT RIGHT HERE. OH, GOOD.

SO WHAT THIS BILL DOES NOT DO IS IT DOES NOT FORCE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES TO OR DEVELOPERS TO BUILD HOUSING FOR EXTREMELY LOW.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO LIVE AMONG US, EXTREMELY LOW INCOME PERSONS, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE IT.

IT'S ANYWHERE ON THAT SCALE.

SO MODERATE INCOME, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS AND I KNOW THAT I'VE JUST ROUGHLY CRANKED THE NUMBERS.

I MEAN, THAT'S LIKE $2,000 A MONTH FOR AN APARTMENT.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING LEVEL, VERY LOW INCOME TYPES OF THINGS.

THEY'RE STILL IN THE IT'S MAYBE NOT QUITE WHERE WE ARE TODAY FOR RENTALS AT MARKET RATE, BUT IT'S NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM WHERE WE ARE.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, FOR EXAMPLE, THE VINTAGE APARTMENTS, I HAVEN'T LOOKED THIS WEEK, BUT THOSE AT LEAST FOR THE ONE AND THE TWO BEDROOMS, SEEM TO BE WITHIN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEFINITION.

YES. IS THERE IS THERE EVER A CASE WHERE THEY WILL SUBDIVIDE A COUNTY DOWN TO ZONES, LIKE IF YOU WERE ON ISLAND VERSUS OFF ISLAND? NO. OKAY. SO IT'S WHATEVER THAT RATE IS, IT'S FOR THE COUNTY, CORRECT? THAT'S THE WAY THEY CALCULATE IT.

YES, I HAVE ONE.

IF I CAN ADD SOME. WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW TO RETROFIT A TRAILER PARK.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE INCOME LIMITS I'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO A LOT OF.

ONE THING I FOUND SHOCKING WAS FROM 21 TO 22, THESE RATES WENT UP ALMOST 12% AND LAST YEAR THEY WENT UP ALMOST SIX.

SO MEANING THE INCOME LEVELS, THE INCOME LEVELS AND ALL THESE NUMBERS HAVE WENT UP 12 AND THEN 6% AGAIN.

SO THEY DID THEY GO UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

THEY DID. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, BECAUSE AND I'M LEARNING THIS STUFF TOO.

SO WHENEVER I USED TO THINK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I WOULD I ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT THE VERY LOW OR EXTREMELY LOW INCOME PERSONS, AND THAT'S NOT TRUE.

SO AND I AM GUESSING, DEPENDING ON HOW THE DEVELOPERS DO IT AND WHO ENDS UP OWNING AND WHO ENDS UP RENTING WILL DETERMINE WHO OR WHO THEY'RE GOING TO RENT TO. SO LIKE I SAID, I THINK VINTAGE APARTMENTS IS PROBABLY A GOOD EXAMPLE, MAYBE OTHER THAN THEIR THREE BEDROOMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

OKAY. SO WHEN THEY SAY YOU CAN'T RESTRICT HEIGHTS, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT.

JUST HOLD ON. I KNOW YOU'RE INTERESTED.

I HAVE A WHOLE TWO PAGES OF BULLET POINTS, SO.

COOL. SO THAT'S JUST OVERALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

40% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE.

OKAY. AND FOR MIXED USE PROJECTS, NO OTHER BOARD.

BUT YOU ALL WOULD CARE ABOUT THIS.

FOR A MIXED USE PROJECT.

AT LEAST 65% OF THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE HAS TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED AND GET THE BENEFITS OF THIS NEW LAW.

NOW, DOES THAT INCLUDE WHAT'S ALREADY EXISTING OR IS THAT WHAT'S PROPOSED, PROPOSED 65% FOR PROPOSED? BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A BUILDING ALREADY ON A SITE AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO THAT.

SO THAT 60 I'M SURE THAT THERE COULD BE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHERE YOU'RE REUSING SOME OF WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT COULD BE PART OF THIS CALCULATION, BUT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

SO AND WHERE I'M GOING, IF YOU HAVE A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT SHOPPING CENTER AND YOU WANT TO BUILD ANOTHER 200,000 SQUARE FOOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ARE THEY USING THE ENTIRE SITE OR ARE THEY USING WHAT ONLY WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING? OH, IN TERMS OF THE CALCULATION, I WOULD THINK IT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I THINK THE REASONABLE THING IS THEY'RE USING THE ENTIRE SITE.

QUESTION WOULD STILL FALL UNDER.

YES. MIXED USE.

YOU KNOW IT'S A SPECIAL MIXED USE MU ONE AND MU EIGHT WOULD BE INCLUDED.

HOLD ON. IT GETS BETTER.

I GOT A BETTER QUESTION.

THAT WAS FACETIOUS.

A LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY NOT RESTRICT THE HEIGHT OF AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT BELOW THE TALLEST CURRENTLY ALLOWED HEIGHT FOR COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE HAVE AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND THAT'S NOT THE LEGAL TERMINOLOGY, SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

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SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S ARGUABLE.

OKAY. BUT WE KNOW 45FT IS WHAT WE FOR SURE ALLOW.

SO YOU COULD BUILD 45FT RIGHT HERE.

RIGHT HERE. SPECIFICALLY GO INDUSTRIAL.

I THINK OUR HEIGHT LIMIT IS SOMETHING LIKE 150FT OR SO.

WELL, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED.

IT'S ONLY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE HOSPITAL IS PUBLIC INSTITUTIONAL, THEN THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED.

SO 60FT.

BUT YOU CAN ASSUME 45FT FOR SURE.

FOR SURE. 45FT.

SO THE PLANT, THE TWO PLANTS THAT WE HAVE THEN ARE ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

THEY ARE. SO THAT'S LESS THAN 150FT DOESN'T.

RIGHT. NO, IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL WITHIN A MILE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

OKAY. THE OTHER IS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAY NOT RESTRICT THE DENSITY OF AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT BELOW THE HIGHEST ALLOWABLE DENSITY IN THE CITY WHERE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED.

WE ALLOW NOT ZONING CATEGORIES NOW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, 34 UNITS AN ACRE ALLOWED DOWNTOWN.

THAT WILL BE THE DENSITY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DOWNTOWN.

TAMMY THIS IS ONLY IN COMMERCIAL OR THIS ISN'T IN RESIDENTIAL, THOUGH ACCORDING TO THE LAW.

MIXED USE.

USE MIXED USE, RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREAS.

THAT DOESN'T COUNT.

BUT I WILL I'LL TELL YOU THIS.

I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE HEARING.

THE TRINGALI PROPERTY, HALF OF IT'S MIXED USE.

THAT SIDE OF THE BLOCK COULD GO 45FT, 34 UNITS AN ACRE.

THE RESTRICTIONS ON IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW.

THERE'S STILL PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S STILL SETBACKS.

THERE'S STILL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.

ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT REDUCES THE SIZE OF AN ACTUAL BUILDING AND THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS RATIO.

EXACTLY. FLOODPLAIN.

ALL THAT STUFF STILL APPLIES.

APPLICATIONS FOR THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE A LOT OF TOWNS ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT OUR CITY COMMISSION TO SEE THESE.

THIS LAW SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY CAN'T SEE IT.

NO BOARDS CAN SEE IT.

NO CITY COMMISSION CAN SEE IT.

THEY'RE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED.

IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE COMP PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WOW. WHY IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

AS A LEGISLATOR, I DON'T KNOW YOUR LEGISLATOR.

YEAH, I DON'T KNOW UNLESS THERE WOULD BE A PLAT.

RIGHT? THE PLAT WOULD COME BEFORE US.

THAT'S CORRECT. OH, YEAH. SO BUT IN TERMS OF.

RIGHT, THE PLAT STILL HAS TO COME T-R-C STILL HAS TO BE INVOLVED.

BUT WHAT THEY'RE GETTING AND AGAIN, THEY DON'T EXPLAIN WHY WHEN I READ THE STAFF ANALYSIS DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY IT DOESN'T SAY WHY THEY CHOSE TO PUT THIS IN HERE.

QUESTION YES, KIND OF OFF, NICK.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.

IF YOU RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT SOME STRUCTURE ON, DO YOU KIND OF BACK INTO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE THAT FOOTPRINT BASED ON MEETING ALL THE.

SO YOU BOIL IT DOWN AND SAY, OKAY, I GOT TO HAVE SO MUCH FOR FOR IMPERVIOUS SPACE AND RETENTION AND THEN YOU BUILD ON THAT ENVELOPE.

OKAY. SO WHEN YOU GET TO THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT SAYS, OKAY, I MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE, ETCETERA.

OKAY? AND IN PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE MAJOR TRANSIT, WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE, BUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS HAVE TO BE REDUCED TO BUT WE DON'T HAVE MAJOR TRANSIT, SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO APPLY TO US.

AND RECREATIONAL AND COMMERCIAL WORKING WATERFRONT AREAS ARE EXEMPT.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS ON THE RIVERFRONT.

OKAY. WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE POSTING REQUIREMENTS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE WHERE WE ADVERTISE ANNUALLY AN INVENTORY OF CITY AND COUNTY OWNED LANDS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR USE AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT WOULD BE ZONED EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE OR INDUSTRIAL THAT WE OWNED.

BUT IT HAS TO BE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY.

IT COULD BE USED, YES, ANYTHING COULD BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL.

BUT WHAT'S ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL IS NOT AFFECTED BY THIS.

BUT IF IT'S CONSERVATION OR RECREATION, THAT'S NOT AFFECTED.

CORRECT. OKAY.

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I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

BUT THEY WANT THAT, TOO.

AND THEN I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU ALL FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT.

WHEN YOU READ IN YOUR OWN TIME, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT TAX.

THERE'S A TAX REFUND FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THAT IF YOU PAY THE SALES TAX THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PAID INTO THE FLORIDA HOUSING CORPORATION'S FUND.

AND THEY DO GRANTS AND STUFF FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN PAY THEIR SALES TAX MONEY FOR THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS INTO THE FAIR HOUSING THE FLORIDA HOUSING CORPORATION, AND THEN BUILD UP THAT GRANT FUND.

AND THEN THE SAME DEVELOPERS CAN APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS TO HELP WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

SO THE COUNTY, THOUGH, OR THE CITY THEN SO THAT TAX REVENUE THAT WOULD GO TO THE STATE AND THEN COME BACK TO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND THE CITY, THEN NO LONGER WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNTY OR THE CITY, CORRECT? IS THAT DO YOU SEE THAT AS BEING A MAJOR SHORTFALL FOR THE CITY OR THE COUNTY? IT WON'T BE FOR THE CITY..

THE CITY GETS VERY LITTLE SALES TAX MONEY.

JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT.

AND I WISH WE GOT MORE, BUT WE DON'T.

IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT COMES TO CITIES.

SO THAT'S AND THEN THERE'S TAX EXEMPTIONS IN ADDITION TO THAT, DEPENDING ON THE INCOME LEVEL OF THE FOLKS THAT YOU'RE SERVING WITH YOUR UNIT.

SO THAT'S SENATE BILL 102.

ANY QUESTIONS? JUST GO AHEAD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. IS IT BASED ON OUR FLUME AND ZONING MAP ARE PRETTY CONSISTENT, BUT IS IT BASED ON THE ZONING OR THE FLUME FOR THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL? THEY BETTER BE CONSISTENT.

I THINK WE FIXED ALL THAT.

BUT I MEAN, LIKE THE COUNTY IS WAY OFF.

COUNTY CONFLICT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

IN THE BILL OVER AND OVER THEY TALK ABOUT ZONING.

SO. JUST COUNTY, THAT'D BE A MAJOR PROBLEM.

BUT REMEMBER THIS.

IF YOUR ZONING DOESN'T MATCH YOUR FLU MAP, YOUR FLU MAPS, THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S REALLY THE THING THAT CONTROLS.

SO YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH THE FLU.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK, TOO. YEAH.

AND DO WE HAVE A WAY IN THE COUNTY? WE'VE DONE A FEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS AND WE HAVE TO SUBMIT RENTAL RECEIPTS FOR THE YEAR ANNUALLY TO THE GOVERNMENT.

DOES THE CITY HAVE A WAY TO LOOK AT THAT OR IS THAT DONE THROUGH THE COUNTY? RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS DEPENDING ON HOW THIS PANS OUT.

OH, AND ONE LITTLE OTHER TIDBIT IN HERE IS NO RENT CONTROLS.

IT'S ALWAYS REALLY BEEN PART OF CASE LAW AND STUFF.

BUT THE LEGISLATURE SAID SPECIFICALLY IN THIS BILL, NO RENT CONTROLS.

SO HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S AFFORDABLE THEN? WELL, RENT CONTROLS, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT THING.

THEY THREW THAT IN AS A THING, SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO RENT CONTROLS AND STATE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR FORMULA ABOUT HOW YOU'RE WORKING ON.

I'M STILL GOING TO MEET ONE OF THESE.

YES, YOU DO.

SO, TAMMY, IN THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT TEN YEARS.

YES. AND SINCE THIS IS NOT PERMANENT, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN ORDER TO INCORPORATE THIS THESE THINGS.

IT NEEDS TO BE SORT OF SOMETHING THAT SITS OUTSIDE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, I THINK.

SO LIKE AN LIKE AN ADDENDUM OR LIKE A BAND AID SUPPLEMENTAL.

LIKE A BAND AID, IF YOU WANT TO THINK OF IT LIKE THAT.

BUT WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFERENCE IT AS WE LOOK AT PROJECTS THAT AREN'T.

THEY ARE THESE PROJECTS DON'T COME TO US, LIKE YOU SAID, IT WAS GOING TO GO TO THE DRC AND IF IT'S, DOES IT STILL COME TO US? NO. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT US OTHER THAN JUST KNOWING ABOUT IT, KNOWING ABOUT IT.

YEAH, YEAH.

PARTICULARLY WHEN WE SEE PROJECTS STARTING, YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? WHY ARE ALL THESE UNITS HERE? THERE'S NO THESE PROJECTS WON'T COME TO US.

NO. WHY IS THAT? WELL, THEY CANNOT COME TO YOU.

THEY CAN'T COME TO YOU.

BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT COMES TO YOU ARE PLATS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY IS DOING A I'M PICKING THIS PICKING ON CHERRY RINKER FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN I'M JUST THINKING THE THE LOFTS ON FIFTH RIGHT THAT WAS REUSE THAT NEVER CAME TO YOU FOR ANYTHING.

IF SOMEBODY IS BUILDING YOU KNOW TOWNHOMES OR THE VINTAGE APARTMENTS OTHER THAN A PLAT THE VINTAGE APARTMENTS

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SO JUST KEEP IN MIND YOU DON'T SEE THEM ANYWAY.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE TAKING THIS ABILITY AWAY FROM BECAUSE WHAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD DO IN RESPONSE TO THIS IS, SAY THEY ESPECIALLY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WE WANT TO SEE WHEN THESE PROJECTS COME IN, WE WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

WE WANT TO SEE THEM AND TO WHATEVER EXTENT WE CAN APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE THEM.

AND THE LEGISLATURE IS SAYING NO.

SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE YOUR ROLE AT ALL.

SO IN THE PAST, WE HAD THINGS CALLED CONCURRENCY FOR ROADS AND TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

WERE THEY ANY OF THOSE RULES WE CURRENTLY HAVE WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THESE PROJECTS? YES. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO SEE THE SAME THINGS YOU'VE ALWAYS SEEN.

WE STILL HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN STANDARDS OR YES, PROVIDE FOR THAT.

WHAT? I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY'RE TRYING TO CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THE RED TAPE SO IT CAN BE PROCESSED, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE RED TAPE IS THAT WITH LAND COSTS THE WAY THAT THEY ARE.

AND I MEAN, NICK CAN EXPLAIN THIS BETTER THAN ANYBODY WITH LAND COSTS THE WAY THEY ARE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BUILD AGAIN.

I'M JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS TO BUILD TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT ARE $1,300 A MONTH.

YOU LOSE MONEY.

I MEAN, SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO PUT THIS KIND OF HOUSING IN PLACE AND MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN BE RENTED TO PEOPLE, THAT IT'S REALLY YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING, TOO.

THEY MIGHT AS WELL JUST SEPARATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING BECAUSE THIS IS ALL ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.

AFFORDABLE STUFF IS SUBSIDIZED ALREADY, AND A LOT OF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME TO US BECAUSE IT JUST ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF, WELL, YEAH, RIGHT. AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE IS ANTI APPROVALS, RIGHT? THEY ARE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND ANTI APPROVALS.

SO WHAT KIND OF I MEAN, WHEN I READ THAT MY FIRST THOUGHT WAS REDEVELOPMENT OF COMMERCIAL SITES.

YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST WENT THROUGH.

YES. LAST ME LOTS OF LAND, BUT LOTS OF RULES ABOUT DENSITY AND THINGS THAT COULD ESSENTIALLY GO AWAY.

AND I MEAN, I'D ASKED KELLY, WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT PRESSURE TO REDEVELOPMENT THOSE TYPES OF SITES? THEY'RE THERE, AREN'T THEY? RIGHT, EXACTLY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN PLACE WITH MOST OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.

SO NOW YOU JUST FIGURE OUT THE PARKING AND THE ACCESS AND EGRESS AND WE COULD END UP WITH 45 FOOT BUILDING SOMEWHERE.

YEAH. WITH TWO MORE STORIES WHICH WHICH AGAIN, MAY SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT YOU BETTER GET ON THAT BICYCLE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING.

YES. GET AROUND OR WALKING.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

HE BRINGS UP A GOOD QUESTION.

LET ME PICK UP ON ONE SHOPPING CENTER.

SHOPPING CENTER WHERE MISS CAROLYN IS.

IF I TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THAT, CLEARED.

IT JUST FLATTENED EVERYTHING, THEN I COULD GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW THESE RULES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IF I WERE TO BRING FORWARD THAT PROPOSAL.

34 UNITS AN ACRE, 45FT TALL, MEETING ALL OF OUR APPLICABLE PARKING, LANDSCAPING AND STORMWATER.

I THINK THE IS IN THE REDEVELOPMENT, NOT IN THE WIPING IT OFF BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THE STRUCTURE.

YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE OWNERS OF COMMERCIAL FAILING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE LICKING THEIR LIPS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME.

THE FACT IS IT MAY BE EASIER TO LET ME CALL CLEAR CUT THE STRUCTURES AND THEN JUST START OVER.

YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO FIT 34 UNITS AN ACRE.

I KNOW. BUT I'M JUST SAYING UP TO AND.

AND I AM NOT.

THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE, BILL.

IT WAS INTENDED TO DO THAT AND IT FLEW RIGHT THROUGH WITH VERY LITTLE OPPOSITION WHATSOEVER.

IN FACT, ALL OF THIS STUFF DID BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW IS ALL KUMBAYA AND EVERYBODY GETS ALONG AND HAS VERY SIMILAR VALUES AND VIEWS. AND SO AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS.

MY TAKE AWAY FROM GOING TO TALLAHASSEE THIS YEAR WAS THAT THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF BICKERING AND WHEELING AND DEALING THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

EVERYBODY WAS ON THE SAME PAGE.

WELL, I THINK THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WILL SIT THERE AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE OVER WHAT I'LL CALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE COUNTY.

YES, WE SEE IT PROBABLY MORE PRESSURE ON IT HERE WITHIN ON THE ISLANDS AS OPPOSED TO.

SO I GUESS IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW YOU GO ABOUT SOLVING THAT PROBLEM.

WE VISION 2045 SAID IT'S A PROBLEM.

WE'VE GOT TO GO FIX IT. YES.

BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T COME UP WITH AN A PALATABLE WAY OF OFFERING UP A GOOD SOLUTION OR SOLUTIONS.

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WELL, NOW THERE'S SOME INCENTIVE.

SO WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR ANNEXATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A NEW LAW ABOUT ANNEXATIONS.

WHAT DO I SEE ABOUT IT? WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT GIVEN THIS IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY HAS CERTAINLY MUCH LARGER PARCELS OF LAND, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S GOING TO BE SOME INTERACTION THERE, I WOULD THINK.

AND EVERYBODY'S GOING TO NEED THE CITY'S WATER AND SEWER.

I MEAN, AS FAR AS THE CITY WANTS TO EVEN BE, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO THE ROUNDABOUT, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE ANNEXING OLD NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT I MEAN, OUR CONTROL OVER GIVING THEM THAT IF THEY WOULD DO WHAT WE WANT, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'LL GIVE YOU WATER AND SEWER, BUT WE'D LIKE YOU TO DEVELOP UNDER OUR RULES, FOR EXAMPLE. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE'D BE IF THEY WANT TO DO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING THING, WE'D BE VIOLATING STATE LAW IF WE'RE TELLING THEM TO.

THEY CAN'T DO THAT.

I SEE THIS AS KIND OF AN ADD ON, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A LOT OTHER DEVELOPMENT, DENSITY, INTENSITY AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS.

BUT BY INCLUDING THIS IN YOUR PROJECT AND GIVING, YOU HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AND THE DOLLARS WORK, YOU KNOW, I COULD BUILD A LOT OF 500 SQUARE FOOT UNITS AND PUT THEM IN.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER TOO, THOUGH, THAT THIS ONLY REQUIRES 40% OF THE UNITS.

YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 40.

THE OTHER 60 YOU CAN CHARGE THREE TIMES MARKET RATE IF YOU WANT.

BUT MY POINT IS THAT JUST ALLOWS FOR THE DOLLAR INCENTIVE, RIGHT? AND SOMEWHERE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT IN BUILDING.

THAT'S RIGHT. NICK WAS WORKING ON IT THE OTHER NIGHT.

HOW HE'S GOING TO BUILD THESE THINGS CHEAPER, RIGHT.

HOW MUCH ONE COULD HAVE BEEN TRAILERS UP, PUT ALL THE TRAILERS OR CONTAINERS THAT ARE GO BY WHEN WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING RID OF TRAILERS, BUT IT'S DOING TINY HOUSES IN THE COUNTY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, MARK, EVERYONE'S GOING TO WANT TO COME INTO THE CITY BECAUSE YOU GET 30, 40 UNITS AN ACRE IN THE CITY AND YOU ONLY GET TEN UNITS AN ACRE IN THE COUNTY.

SO THERE'S A BIG MOTIVATION TO COME INTO.

GOOD POINT. AND OF COURSE, OUR SEWER IS ALL.

THAT'S WHERE THE ONLY ONE SEWER AND WATER UP NORTH OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CLOSE TO THE BEACH WITH EXIT.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S SO THAT'S OUT THERE.

AND MYSELF, PLANNERS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAWYERS ALL OVER FLORIDA, WE'RE ALL WORKING ON THIS, HOW TO UNDERSTAND IT AND AND HOW TO HELP OUR JURISDICTIONS PUT RESTRICTIONS WHERE WE NEED TO OR WHERE WE CAN.

SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY PLANNING THAT SOMEBODY HAD TO SIT DOWN AND GO, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS? AND MAYBE WE PUT IT PUT TOGETHER A BOOKLET ON FOR CITY MANAGERS, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

I MEAN, HAS ANYONE DONE ANYTHING? KELLY YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN ANYONE.

DO YOU SEE ANYTHING COME THROUGH THE LITERATURE YET ON THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS FOR ALL OF US AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO NOW OR TO PREPARE FOR IT? YOU'RE TALKING LIKE A HANDBOOK, YOU KNOW.

NO, I WILL TELL YOU THE PLANNING ORGANIZATION.

I KNOW THAT THAT KELLY IS VERY VERSED IN TRANSPORTATION.

IF I'M ASKING YOU IF WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING IN THESE APPLICATIONS ARE GOING TO COME IN FOR EITHER REUSING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHATEVER, WE'RE GOING TO SEE 45FT FOOT TALL BUILDINGS. THE BEST THING THAT THIS CITY CAN DO, BECAUSE WHEN WE WORRY ABOUT DENSITY, WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT A LOT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, RIGHT.

IS TO PUT A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR THE CITY.

THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO AVOID THAT IS YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE THE AFFORDABLE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OTHERS ARE BIKING AND ARE RIDING SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE CARS.

SO HOPE TO GO BACK TO THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

YEAH. SO YEAH, I SEE THAT A LOT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

EARLY ADAPTERS, HERE WE GO.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND PEOPLE ARE COMING TO BECAUSE THE WORKERS, THEY DON'T NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN IMMOKALEE, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EVERGLADES, THEY DON'T NEED IT THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE, SO THEY DON'T NEED IT ANYWAY.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AND WE'LL ANALYZE IT FOR YOU AS WE LEARN MORE.

WE'LL COME TO YOU WITH WHATEVER INFORMATION WE HAVE.

TEAM. I THINK MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS AFTER, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS GROUPS GET THIS STUFF TOGETHER, MAYBE JUST A FOLLOW UP AGENDA ITEM ON IT, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF BOYLAN THE OCEAN TO. ABSOLUTELY THE CRITICAL STUFF ARE.

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OKAY. 2023 OKAY.

REGARDING ANNEXATION, SENATE BILL 718 IT TALKS ABOUT THE REPORT RIGHT NOW THE CITY DOES A REPORT ABOUT LEVELS OF SERVICE.

WE PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT.

THIS, TO ME SEEMS TO BE MORE IN DEPTH.

IT'S JUST IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME.

OKAY. IT SAYS ANALYZE THE ECONOMIC MARKET, TECHNICAL, FINANCIAL AND MANAGEMENT FEASIBILITY OF A PROPOSED ANNEXATION.

SO KELLY'S ALREADY TALKED WITH HER FOLKS AND WE ALREADY DO A LOT.

I MEAN, ALL OF THIS, I GUESS.

SO IT WON'T CHANGE.

YAY. IS THAT FOR JUST TRAFFIC OR ALL LIKE RECREATION AND EVERYTHING OR JUST ECONOMIC MARKET, TECHNICAL, FINANCIAL AND.

YEAH, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO TRAFFIC.

IT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS THAT ARE HOPING TO OWN A PROPERTY TO DO ANY MORE WORK ON TO APPLY FOR ANNEXATION.

OKAY. RIGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THE NEXT ONE AND I ONLY HAVE LET ME JUST HIT THIS EASY ONE FIRST.

THIS IS JUST AN FYI SENATE SENATE BILL, 250 NATURAL EMERGENCIES JUST IN CASE IT HAPPENS.

AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN.

BUT IF IT HAPPENS, THE STATE HAS SAID THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS ENOUGH DAMAGE OR THEIR HOME GETS WIPED OUT, IF THEY WANT TO PUT LIVE IN AN RV OR TRAILER ON THAT PROPERTY, THEY CAN DO SO FOR UP TO 36 MONTHS WHILE THEY'RE REBUILDING THEIR HOME.

THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING.

BUT YES, THEY CAN STAY THERE FOR 36 MONTHS.

OKAY. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS 16 ZERO FOUR.

I DON'T MIND DOING IT, BUT OKAY.

16 ZERO FOUR IS THE BIG ONE REGARDING LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND WAIT, I MISSED ONE.

OH NO, I DIDN'T. OKAY.

THE REQUIRED PLANNING PERIODS, THE OUTLOOK THAT WE DO IS RIGHT NOW FIVE AND TEN YEARS AND THEY HAVE CHANGED THAT.

TEN AND 20 YEARS.

SO WE HAVE LONGER PERIOD OF TIME THAT FOR US IN BETWEEN OUR REVIEWS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO WE ALREADY DO TEN AND 20.

OKAY. SO OUR YEAR IS EVERY SEVEN YEARS, RIGHT? THAT'S CHANGING TO NOW TO TEN.

IT IS CHANGING.

THIS IS THE PLANNING HORIZON HAS CHANGED.

BUT WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE ALREADY COVERED.

WE'RE ALREADY IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE STATE MANDATES.

SO WE'RE OKAY. OKAY.

IT TALKS ABOUT A TEN YEAR THERE IS FOR EAR BASED AMENDMENTS AND POPULATION PROJECTIONS.

IT IS ALREADY A TEN YEAR PLANNING PERIOD AND WE DO MOST OF THE STUFF.

DID YOU READ ANYTHING IN HERE THAT.

YEAH. SO WE'RE GOOD.

IT'S NOT GOING TO REALLY CHANGE.

THE NEXT SECTION IF YOU CAN SCROLL UP IS ABOUT DESIGN STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY.

AND HERE, RIGHT HERE, THE LEGISLATURE HAS SAID IT'S BEEN PART OF LAW.

ANYWAY, KELLY HAS TOLD US THIS FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THIS IS MAKING IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY HOMES, YOU COULD NOT HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS EVEN IN A PUD, NO DESIGN STANDARDS, EVEN A WHAT CAN I HAVE? SORRY, NO DESIGN STANDARDS FOR RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY OR TWO FAMILY HOMES, THESE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO EXPLAIN ME WHAT THAT MEANT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES HE ALREADY SAID? NO. ARCHITECTURAL. YES, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.

DESIGN ELEMENTS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THERE I WAS RECENTLY LOOKING FOR WHATEVER REASON AT CITY OF ORLANDO.

CITY OF ORLANDO HAS SOME PRETTY STRICT RESIDENTIAL DESIGN ELEMENT STANDARDS.

AND THIS IS GOING TO WIPE THOSE AWAY.

YOU CAN'T DO IT. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT EXCEPT IN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IN THE CRA.

SO WHAT DOES THAT DO? THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? NOTHING.

THOSE ARE EXEMPT BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY THOSE ARE EXEMPT.

BUT ANYWHERE ELSE, SHOULD WE EVER TRY TO OR THEY'RE SAYING YOU CANNOT PUT THOSE KIND OF STANDARDS.

SO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT APPLY.

THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S BY CONTRACT.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S ONLY.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH, BUT NO, BUT A PUD COULD STILL ESTABLISH REQUIREMENTS.

A PUD? YEAH.

NO. BECAUSE PUDS ARE GOVERNMENT APPROVED.

THEY'D HAVE TO BE. I'LL COMMENT ON THAT, TOO, IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR.

THE COUNTY IN THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS HAS BEEN TRYING TO INTRODUCE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ON PEDS.

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AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'RE A YEAR AND A HALF DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DESIGN STANDARDS, RIGHT? AND IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT THEY LIKE NOT VERSUS WHAT YOU NEED OR WHAT PEOPLE WANT.

SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD ITEM BECAUSE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF WHAT PEOPLE DESIGN.

HOUSE SO THIS IS BASICALLY GETTING INSTEAD OF YOU GO INTO SOMETIMES YOU GO INTO A SUBDIVISION AND OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT DOOR IS ON A DIFFERENT IS FLIPPED OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, ALL THE HOUSES BASICALLY LOOK THE SAME.

YEAH. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THEN THEY CAN'T LEGISLATE WHAT THOSE HOUSES ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

THEY COULD BE ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

WELL, THAT'S NOT BAD.

WOULD THAT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE] PARK IS OR WOULD BE? I MEAN THAT THAT HAS KELLY'S MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE AMELIA PARK PD AND SO IS THERESA.

THERE ARE STANDARDS IN THERE AND THEY'RE ALREADY AND THEY'RE ALREADY IN PLACE.

THAT'S A PUD ISN'T IT.

YES. OH YEAH. ALL OF THAT.

RIGHT. YES.

IN PLACE. YES.

SO WOULD THIS BE NEW? THIS WOULD APPLY TO NEW PUDS.

IT APPLIES TO PUDS APPROVED AFTER JULY 2023.

OKAY. AND ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARDS CREATED BEFORE JANUARY 2020.

NOW, WITH REGARD TO THAT, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HOA'S THAT CREATE AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEY HAVE IN SOME CITIES, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARDS.

THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE BY CONTRACT.

IF YOU MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S NOT BEING TOUCHED AND THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN ARCHITECTURE ALLOWED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE HOA REGULATIONS OR CERTAIN BUILDERS, ONLY THESE BUILDERS CAN GO INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE CRANE ISLAND.

THAT ALL STAYS IN PLACE.

THIS IS IT WOULDN'T IMPACT ANY PROPOSED PROJECTS BY THE DEVELOPER.

THEY COULD DESIGN WHATEVER THEY WANT TO AND BUILD.

YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY.

YEAH. IT'S ALL ABOUT REGULATION AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

ALL RIGHT. THEY'RE SAYING STAY OUT OF IT.

CITIES AND COUNTIES.

WE CAN'T TELL YOU THE PINK HOUSE ONLY.

RIGHT? PINK HOUSE EVERYWHERE.

AND THAT'S IT. TILE ROOF.

THAT'S IT. AS IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.

CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? ONE? WHAT IF A JURISDICTION DECIDED TO DENY UTILITIES TO A PROJECT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE? OKAY, SO I'M GONNA TAKE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF A PROJECT THAT I HAD THAT I TRIED TO ANNEX AND WE GOT DENIED WATER AND SEWER.

RIGHT. AND SO COULD THEY DO THAT AS WELL? LET ME TELL YOU, THE ANSWER IS IT DEPENDS.

IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, RELATED TO FERNANDINA BEACH AND NASSAU COUNTY, THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH HAS NOT ENTERED INTO A SERVICE PLANNING AREA AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, AND WE NEVER WILL.

AND THE REASON WHY WE NEVER WILL IS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING ALONG GREAT WITH THEM.

WORKING WELL IS BECAUSE THERE IS CASE LAW OUT THERE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU HAVE A SERVICE AREA SERVICE PLANNING AREA AGREEMENT BETWEEN A CITY AND A COUNTY, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

IF SOMEBODY IN THAT PLANNING AREA AND IT SHOWS IT'S THE CITY'S AREA IS READY TO CONNECT, CANNOT SAY YOU HAVE TO ANNEX CANNOT PUT CONDITIONS ON IT CAN CHARGE YOU FOR THE CONNECTION BUT YOU HAVE TO CONNECT.

AND THAT'S WHY THE CITY IS NEVER DOING A SERVICE PLANNING AREA.

YOU WOULDN'T BECAUSE WE CAN.

PARDON? GO AHEAD, FINISH.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE CITY CAN SAY IF YOU WANT THE WATER AND SEWER FROM THE CITY OR WATER OR SEWER, YOU HAVE TO SIGN AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.

AND THAT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FIXED SERVICE PLANNING AREA AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.

IT'S AND THERE'S WELL SETTLED LAW IN FLORIDA THAT THE CITY'S UTILITY FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS IS PROPRIETARY AND BELONGS TO US, THE CITIZENS AND NOT ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

IF THEY WANT TO CONNECT, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR RULES AND THEY HAVE TO ANNEX.

OKAY. WITH THE 25% SERVICE.

SO COULD THAT ANNEXATION? YEAH, WE CAN REQUIRE THE SURCHARGE.

YES. I'M JUST THINKING, IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S ADJACENT TO CITY LIMITS NOW AND THEY WANT IT TO ANNEX TO GET WATER AND SEWER AND THEY WANTED TO DO THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING THING, COULD THE CITY SAY, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU WATER AND SEWER? WE COULD, YEAH. AND THEN YOU WOULDN'T GET THE PROJECT.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THIS.

I'VE NOT SAID IT HERE BEFORE, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE HEARING MORE ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU EVER DECIDE BECAUSE THESE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS COME TO YOU AND SAY, OH, MY

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SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS BEFORE.

IT'S LIKE, WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO US TO NOT ANNEX THEM? IT DOES NO GOOD BECAUSE THE PROJECT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND SO.

GOT IT. GOOD POINT.

GOOD POINT. YEAH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU MAY HAVE A LOT MORE SWIRLING THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME.

CALL ME OR KELLY AND WE WILL UPDATE YOU.

I'LL JUST.

4540 HOW DID I MISS THAT? ONE OF THE TIMES.

IT'S ANOTHER FUN ONE.

OH, YEAH, I DID MISS THAT ONE.

I DID. I WENT RIGHT TO THE ANNEXATION FEASIBILITY.

OKAY. LOCAL GOVERNMENT, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

THIS ONE IS ABOUT.

I'LL JUST SAY IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

IT IS TAKING AWAY THE EASINESS OF A CITIZEN CHALLENGING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES TO BE PAID TO THE PREVAILING PARTY.

SO SO IF SOMEBODY CHALLENGES, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.

AMELIA BLUFF.

THAT WAS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THERE WAS A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE CITIZENS DID NOT PREVAIL.

THE CITIZENS WOULD HAVE PAID.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS MYSELF AND INSURANCE COMPANY ATTORNEYS.

THEY WOULD HAVE PAID BACK THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WHAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY PAID, BUT $40,000.

THE CITIZENS WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY THAT MONEY, THOSE ATTORNEY'S FEES, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PREVAIL.

THE SAME THING, THOUGH.

THE FLIP SIDE IS IF THE CITY DOESN'T PREVAIL, THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY THEIR ATTORNEY'S FEES.

SO THAT'S FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT CHALLENGES THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES THAT HAPPEN RIGHT HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.

EASY PEASY.

BUT NOW THE LEGISLATURE, I THINK, IS SAYING IT HASN'T IT'S BEEN FINE HERE.

I MEAN, WE'VE HAD ONE HERE OR THERE.

RIGHT. BUT I'M ASSUMING IN SOME PLACE ONE OF THE LEGISLATORS, SOMEBODY SAID THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

AND THEY'RE HAVING CHALLENGES ALL THE TIME.

SO THE LEGISLATURE SAID, NO, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORTH YOUR WHILE.

SO THAT'S A BIG ONE TO BE CHALLENGING.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. WELL, THAT IS VERY INTERESTING.

IT IS. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU.

ANYTIME. TAMMY.

ARE YOU ALL IN A GOOD MOOD? WOULD THAT BE ONLY ASSOCIATED WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHALLENGES? CORRECT. NOT LAND DEVELOPMENT.

NOT EVEN RIGHT.

THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHALLENGES ARE.

THERE'S NO RIGHT TO AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGE UNDER ONE 60 THREE.

IT'S FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS, AND THEY MAKE THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES POSSIBLE TO AVOID THE COST OF COURT AND FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IF SOMEBODY IS SAYING THAT YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT'S A SEPARATE RIGHT OF ACTION THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO COURT.

IT'S NOT HANDLED HERE.

OKAY. SO IT'S NOT REZONING.

SO IT'S JUST COMP PLAN CHANGE.

JUST COMP PLAN. OKAY.

BECAUSE IF A REZONING SO YOU'RE AVAILABLE, CHALLENGES ARE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S AN ACTION IN CIRCUIT COURT.

THE OTHER IS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING CHALLENGE BECAUSE AT THE LAST STEP WE DO QUASI JUDICIAL OR THE COMMISSION AFTER IT LEAVES HERE.

INTERESTING. WELL, WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED.

PLEASE DO. BUT THERE WON'T BE ANY NEW LAWS UNTIL NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE DONE.

THEY'RE OUT OF SESSION. BUT WE'LL SEE HOW THIS PANS OUT SO WELL.

A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, THE DIAPER IS FULL.

JUST KIND OF FOLLOW UP. THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER MAYBE, KELLY YOU MAY WANT TO BE AWARE OF.

AND ON THE LAST LEGISLATIVE UPDATE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE FLORIDA AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION, I THINK I SENT THAT ALL THOSE ISSUES OVER TO YOU.

AND IF NOT, I CAN RESEND THEM.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT MIGHT BE UPCOMING, LOOK AT THE BILLS THAT DIED THIS PAST YEAR OR JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY A LOT OF PROGRESS BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY A GOOD GLIMPSE INTO WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE COME BACK IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE THINGS WE'VE SEEN TIME AND AGAIN, THINGS LIKE THREATS TO RESORT RENTALS AND OCCUPATIONAL LICENSES THAT WE KIND OF KEEP AN EYE ON BECAUSE WE'RE USED TO SEEING THEM. BUT THEY HAVEN'T MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS.

BUT THAT GIVES YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO NEXT YEAR.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER BILLS THAT DID PASS THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD TO BE AWARE OF ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT SIDE OF THINGS

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SO THAT AND THEN ALSO EXPEDITED PERMIT REVIEW PROCESSES THAT NEED TO BE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

SO THOSE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'LL NEED TO MAKE AS THE JURISDICTION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE LEGISLATION.

AND ALSO WITH OUR TIMEFRAMES FOR PERMIT REVIEWS, WE HAVE TO REALLY BE MINDFUL OF.

AND THEN LET ME LOOK BACK THROUGH HERE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS MISSED.

UM, RELATIVE TO THIS BOARD, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER AMENDMENT ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODING AND SEA LEVEL RISE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS.

AND I CAN QUICKLY GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE CITY'S WORK TOWARDS THAT.

WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, CITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE ONE.

IT'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT BOTH RESILIENCY AND VULNERABILITIES.

BUT THERE'S A NEW REQUIREMENT UNDER STATE LAW TO DO A SLIP ASSESSMENT, WHICH IS A SEA LEVEL RISE PROJECTION ASSESSMENT.

SO THAT WILL BE ANOTHER MODEL THAT WILL ACCOUNT FOR WHEN WE COMPLETE OUR ANALYSIS.

AND THEN JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THAT, WE HAVE RETAINED HEALTH AS OUR EXPERTS TO HELP US WITH PREPARING THE METHODOLOGY AND ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS PERFORMING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH ASSOCIATED WITH OUR RESILIENCY AND VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT.

THAT PROJECT IS EXPECTED TO KICK OFF EITHER LATE THIS WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK, AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEVELOP TIME FRAMES FOR WHEN OUTREACH WILL OCCUR.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO SLATED PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE AT THE EARLY TIME FRAME TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AND OVERVIEW ABOUT THE PROCESS, ABOUT THE STUDY ITSELF AND TO HELP WITH DEVELOPING THE METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

AND THEN A SECOND FOLLOW UP AFTER THE ANALYSIS HAS BEEN PERFORMED TO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OUTCOMES AND TO HELP US IDENTIFYING AREAS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR AREAS WHERE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT NEW CHANGES TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE IMPACTS.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS? THERE WILL BE A WIDESPREAD SPREAD COMMUNICATION METHOD THAT WILL HAVE TO GO OUT, BUT THAT TRADITIONAL METHODS, BOTH THROUGH OUR WEBSITE OUTREACH TO OUR NEWS OUTLETS, CERTAINLY BLASTING EMAILS TO ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, PUSHING INFORMATION THROUGH OUR WEBSITE, WHETHER THAT'S FLIERS.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO RELY A LOT ON PEOPLE SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT THESE EVENTS TAKING PLACE, PARTICULARLY IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET IN SOME GOOD ACADEMIC.

ADVISORS TO HELP US WITH GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THE STUDY IS AND THE OUTCOMES OF IT THAT WE EXPECT.

BUT THAT WAS ANOTHER AREA ON THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE THAT I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND LET YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR EFFORTS INTERNALLY TO.

SO A SLIP STUDY WILL ALSO BE FOLDED INTO THAT EFFORT.

UM, I GUESS I WILL AS A SEGWAY TO THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE ON THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING ON THAT SENATE BILL THAT DRASTICALLY CHANGES HOW WE REVIEW PROJECTS WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BE MADE PERMISSIBLE.

UM, THAT IS OVERALL CALLED LIVE LOCAL.

SO IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT AS A SEARCH TERM, YOU'LL FIND A LOT MORE INFORMATION AND OTHER SUMMARIES ABOUT IT.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AS A COMMUNITY IS TO HAVE A REALLY CANDID DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, THE EFFECTS OF IT.

BUT I'D LIKE TO BRING IN OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, ALL OF OUR INTEREST GROUPS WHO ARE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REALM AND PROVIDING SERVICES TO THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED OR WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HOUSING.

I'VE TALKED BRIEFLY WITH NASSAU COUNTY ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP IN THIS EFFORT SO THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING COLLABORATIVELY AND SOME OF THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS JUST SORT OF PRELIMINARILY OF HOSTING A ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION TOGETHER WITH A FACILITATOR WHO MAY COME IN AND HELP US WITH REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMUNITY WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOLUTIONS AND SOME EASY WINS FOR MAKING SOME CHANGES IN HOW WE DO BUSINESS OR HOW WE EVALUATE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A GROUP OF ISSUES INSTEAD OF JUST SINGLE ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE FOR ONE PARTICULAR INTEREST GROUP.

AND SO I'M WORKING TO LOOK AT HOPEFULLY SEPTEMBER AS A TIME FRAME FOR THAT, AND I WILL DEFINITELY KEEP EVERYONE HERE IN THE LOOP ON THAT AS WE GATHER INFORMATION AND START TO FORMULATE THAT BETTER.

BUT ONE OF THE OTHER MAIN THINGS AND MAIN REASONS WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF EFFORT IS SO THAT THERE IS AN AWARENESS OF THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT

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THIS IS BEING DIRECTED THAT THE STATE IS REQUIRING IT OF US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE CHANGES WHERE THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA.

AND KELLY, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TAMMY SAID, THOUGH, WAS IF IT DOESN'T COME TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND IT GETS IT'S APPROVED THROUGH THE OTHER PROCESSES AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COMMUNITY SEES A 45 FOOT BUILDING GOING UP WHERE NORMALLY IT WOULD BE A 35.

THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON.

AND I THINK THAT OUTREACH OF STARTING TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THESE CHANGES IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

SO I REALLY APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT INITIATIVE.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU. AND I MEAN, JUST OUR MEETING TONIGHT IS STARTING TO GAIN AWARENESS OF THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE KIND OF COMES DOWN TO A PR PROCESS, RIGHT? WELL, YOU WON'T BE REQUIRED TO PUT A SIGN OUT SAYING, YOU KNOW, HERE'S A PROPOSED 300 UNIT APARTMENT PROJECT WHERE THE SHOPPING CENTER IS, WHERE PREVIOUSLY YOU WOULD SEE LAND USE CHANGES, ZONING CHANGES TAKING PLACE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.

YOU WON'T HAVE THAT ANY LONGER.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE PIECE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TRADITIONALLY SEEN IT COME THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S ELIMINATED BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED BY.

RIGHT. AS LONG AS THEY'RE MEETING THOSE CRITERIA WITHIN YOUR INDUSTRIAL MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO MUCH OF OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS REGARDING DENSITY, HEIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT REALLY WON'T APPLY ANYMORE.

IS THAT'S TRUE? NO, YOUR DENSITY INTENSITY WILL BE LIMITED BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT IS IN HERE.

SO THE DENSITY PIECE OF IT WILL BE AT 34 UNITS AN ACRE AND A PARTICULAR DEVELOPER MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT BECAUSE OF OTHER LIMITING FACTORS LIKE YOUR INTENSITY, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, LANDSCAPING, PARKING, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIOS.

THERE ARE OTHER LIMITATIONS IN PLACE THAT MAY REDUCE THE ABILITY TO BUILD OUT TO THAT MAXIMUM EXTENT.

I THINK IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE PR WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE LOOK WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US NOW.

AND LOOK LOOK AT THEY PROMISED THEY WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SEPARATION OF GOVERNMENTS.

THEY JUST DON'T.

THE CITY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE AND THE STATE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY IS DIFFERENT.

AND NOBODY UNDERSTANDS LIKE WHO OWNS EIGHTH STREET VERSUS IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT.

11TH STREET. YEAH. KELLY IS THE SENATE RULE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ISN'T THAT BASED ON LAND THAT WAS ZONED THAT PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS RULE? NOT ONE ZONING THAT WOULD BE CHANGED SO SOMEBODY COULDN'T COME IN AND CHANGE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

IT DOESN'T LIMIT THAT FROM THE READING THAT I'VE SEEN OF IT.

IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AS A RESIDENTIAL SITE TODAY AND SAID, I'D LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL, AND THEN WITHIN THAT TIME TEN YEAR TIME FRAME, THEN SAY I'M GOING TO UTILIZE THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE INTENT OF THAT, REALLY.

YOU CAN'T SAY NO.

I MEAN, YOU COULD SAY NO TO THE COMMERCIAL ZONING OF IT.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU WOULD HAVE A PROCESS AT THAT POINT BECAUSE IT'S CONVERTING EXISTING RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

SO IT WOULD FOLLOW THE TRADITIONAL PROCESS FOR THE LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE TO OCCUR.

SO YOU COULD DENY THAT CONVERSION OF LAND.

RIGHT. OKAY.

IT MIGHT BE. WELL, OKAY.

YEAH. SORRY. WOW.

JUST ANOTHER WRINKLE CHANGES.

BUT I THINK THAT WAS REALLY IT.

THANKS, KELLY. ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO OUR AGENDA.

I'M JUST GOING TO TRY TO GIVE A WRAP UP ON THE OTHER ITEMS THAT I KNOW ARE COVERED ON OUR AGENDA.

UM, AND ONE OF THEM BEING AN UPDATE ON THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT THAT WE PROCESS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATION CHANGES THAT HAS BEEN PROCESSED TO THE STATE FOR THEIR REVIEW.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET BACK ANY FEEDBACK BY, I BELIEVE, JULY THE 1ST WEEK OF JULY.

AND SO WE'RE SLATED TO BRING THAT FORWARD BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN JULY, DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS OR OBJECTIONS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE REVIEWING AGENCIES.

IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO WORK ON THAT.

BUT I'M HOPING NO LATER THAN THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST FOR COMMISSION REVIEW.

THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW THAT WE HEARD FROM THE MEETING THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE SOME CHANGES EVALUATED AS PART OF THAT.

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SO WE WILL TALK WITH HIM ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS LARGELY SUBSTANTIVE, I WILL KEEP YOU APPRIZED OF IT.

BUT ON THE COMP PLAN PIECE OF IT AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO ACCOUNT FOR THE PENDING COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND MOVING FORWARD.

I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A DESIRE TO LOOK AT OTHER ITEMS THAT MIGHT CHANGE THE WAY THAT REDEVELOPMENT LOOKS, THINGS LIKE PARKING AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AS A GROUP AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON, BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF AND THEY DON'T GO WITH THIS BUNDLE OF CHANGES. SO I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOES STAY SEPARATE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A FOCUSED CONVERSATION JUST ON THOSE ITEMS. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE SIGHT OF THOSE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THINGS THAT YOU'RE REALLY MOVING FORWARD ON.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT OF SOME OF THOSE, CORRECT? RIGHT. THEY JUST NEED TO BE PUSHED ON THEIR OWN PATH, IF YOU WILL.

AND THAT WAY THEY GET THE ATTENTION AND FOCUS THAT THEY DESERVE THAT ARE REALLY WELL VETTED BY THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY.

GOOD. OKAY, GOOD.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

CONSERVATION. OH, WE WERE REALLY WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN PURCHASING TWO ADDITIONAL CONSERVATION PROPERTIES OVER OFF OF CALHOUN STREET AND SEVENTH STREET, I BELIEVE.

YES, CALHOUN AND SEVENTH STREET.

SO YOU WILL SEE THEM MOVE FORWARD FOR LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO CONSERVATION IN THE COMING MONTHS.

BUT I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT.

I THINK WE CLOSED ON THAT EARLIER THIS MONTH, ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

THAT'S DOWN TOWARD THAT WETLANDS AREA.

IT IS. AND YOU'LL HAVE TWO MORE PARCELS DEDICATED ON COME.

THAT'S RIGHT. WE DO HAVE A WILLING PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS DEDICATING SOME LAND FOR CONSERVATION.

SO WE'LL BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN ACTUALLY BUNDLE THAT ALONG WITH THESE CONSERVATION PROPERTIES AND BRING THEM IN AT THE SAME TIME. OTHERWISE, ON YOUR AGENDA, JUST TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE'RE MISSING.

JUST TO KIND OF HAVE AWARENESS OF I DO EXPECT IT IN THE COMING MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SEVERAL LARGE SCALE ANNEXATIONS MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO KIND OF KNOW JUST WHAT'S ON YOUR HORIZON IN ADDITION TO THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.

OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

[8. PUBLIC COMMENT]

HI. THERESA PRINCE.

AND I GUESS I'LL BE HERE AS A CITIZEN AGAIN.

3272 FIRST AVENUE.

AND I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON YOUR LEGISLATIVE UPDATE.

I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH MR. GILLETTE AND MS. GIBSON ON SOME OF THESE IDEAS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS CAN BE CHANGED THE HEIGHTS.

YOU CAN STILL CHANGE YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU CAN CHANGE THE DENSITY IN YOUR ZONING DISTRICTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHAT IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE WAYS THAT YOU COULD GO ABOUT IT.

I YOU KNOW, IT WOULD IMPACT WHAT PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY DO IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD NO LONGER BE 45FT IN DOWNTOWN OR TRIPLE DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN, BUT AS MR. GILLETTE HAS ALREADY COMMENTED, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW VERY WELL, THE SITE IS GOING TO RESTRICT IT UNTIL YOU BUY THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS COMMERCIAL ISSUE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST BUY UP MORE PROPERTY TO GET THERE.

NOW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR SALE.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS THAT I HAD.

I THINK THE OTHER IMPACT THAT THE COMMISSION MAY LOOK AT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD THINKS ABOUT THIS AND NOT THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IS TAXES. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE COMMISSION I'VE BEEN DENIED AT THIS PLANNING BOARD TRYING TO REZONE DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL USING YOUR MU ONE AND STATEMENTS WERE MADE THAT YOU WEREN'T APPROVING THEM.

THE COMMISSION IS DENYING THEM.

THE COMMISSION DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE THEIR COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD TAX BASE.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ALL THE SERVICES THAT RESIDENTIAL REQUIRES, YOU KNOW.

SO THIS IS AN IMPACT THAT I DON'T I MEAN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF ANALYSIS DOESN'T ALWAYS PROVIDE THAT KIND OF DETAIL. BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THIS ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN IN A FREQUENCY THAT WE THINK IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD DO TO OUR TAX BASE AND OUR SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO RENDER AND OUR TRASH PICKUP AND OUR RECYCLING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER THOUGHT I HAD, BUT I THINK IT WENT RIGHT OUT OF MY HEAD.

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AND EVEN ON THE PLAT CONCEPT AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME CHALLENGES ON A PLAT, BUT EVEN APPROVAL OF PLATS, I MEAN THE COUNTY DOES THAT AS A LEGISLATIVE ACT.

YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF JURISDICTION OVER A PLAT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY ISN'T AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STRONG BASES AS LONG AS IT, YOU KNOW, COMPLIES WITH YOUR COMP PLAN.

SO IT'S JUST INTERESTING WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THE PUBLIC OUTREACH BECAUSE.

YES. AND YOU KNOW, I'LL PROBABLY BE BACK WITH MY CLIENTS THAT WERE DENIED.

YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS.

BUT AS A PERSONAL I JUST AS A CITIZEN, I DO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.

THE ROUND TABLE SOLUTION.

YOU KNOW, MY IDEAS MAY NOT WORK, BUT THERE MAY BE IDEAS THAT COULD JUST HELP US PRESERVE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN THIS COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH THE STATE IS TRYING TO RESTRICT US.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT DONE.

AND THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS BEING TIMED, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING? NONE. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE ONE. LAST TUESDAY, A WEEK AGO AT CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP.

THIS IS THE 5:00.

THERE WAS A PRETTY HEALTHY DISCUSSION CONCERNING PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION.

AND I NOTED THERE'S ABOUT 8 OR 9 ITEMS THAT CAME UP BECAUSE THEY OPENED IT UP TO THE PUBLIC WHERE THEY GOT SOME.

SO I THINK WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT OF WANTING TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THESE WOULD BE SOME GOOD ITEMS TO ADD TO IT.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE AGENDA LOAD IS.

BUT AT SOME POINT WE DO WANT TO THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO SPEND AN HOUR LISTENING TO WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE COMMISSION TO MOVE THAT FORWARD WITH SOME MORE DEFINITIVE PLANS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ANYWAY.

OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED PLENTY OF TIME ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF COMMENTS.

YEAH. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THE COMMUNITY IS OFFERING IT.

I MEAN, THERE ARE GOOD POINTS BOTH.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE POINT IS HOW DO YOU WEIGH WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY? THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME JUDGMENT CALLS.

SO DON'T LOSE THOSE NOTES.

OKAY. AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WORK WITH DAPHNE SO THAT WHEN THEY ARE READY TO BRING UP THOSE THAT WHOLE CONCEPT, GOOD SUGGESTION THAT SOMEBODY ELSE HAS IT AS WELL.

OKAY. I COULDN'T FIND SOME OF MY NOTES.

YES. NICK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROTOCOL IS, BUT.

I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE CHANGING OUR PUD REQUIREMENTS TO LESSEN THE ACREAGE AMOUNT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT FIVE ACRES AND WE DON'T HAVE FIVE ACRES. THAT'S GOING TO BE REASONABLY AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE.

MY THOUGHT IS I'VE DONE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT GO TO ONE ACRE AND IT MIGHT ALLOW PEOPLE TO REDEVELOP IF THEY CAN AGGREGATE ONE ACRE AND THEN COME IN WITH A PUD AND THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN DESIGN CRITERIA, MAYBE DO MIXED USE PRODUCT.

THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND AND LOCATE DIFFERENT USES WITHIN THAT ACRE OF LAND AND AND MAYBE BETTER USE THE PROPERTY.

IT MAY BE A WAY TO USE TO TO GET SOME COMMERCIAL THAT QUITE FRANKLY DOESN'T WORK ON SMALLER LOT.

AND IF YOU CAN AGGREGATE IT WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER LOTS AND THEN WRITE YOUR OWN ZONING FOR THAT, IT MAY BE A WAY TO REDEVELOP.

I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT AS A DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT KELLY AND TAMMY THOUGHT.

BUT WOULD THE IF IT WERE QUOTE, A PUD, DOES THAT GIVE US ANY ADDITIONAL, I'LL SAY CONTROL.

I SAY WE THE CITY OVER THE DESIGN CRITERIA.

I CAN ANSWER THAT.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE DESIRE TO REEVALUATE OUR STANDARDS AND A STAFF, WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT FIVE ACRE MINIMUM IS SOMETHING THAT MOST PROJECTS CANNOT MEET.

THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE FOR TWO ACRES RIGHT NOW ONLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.

PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CRITERIA ATTACHED TO THEM AS WELL.

BUT EVALUATING THAT ACREAGE MINIMUM HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON OUR RADAR FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THE DESIGN COMPONENT.

YES, ON THE COMMERCIAL PIECE AND ON ANYTHING THREE UNITS OR GREATER.

SO ON MULTIFAMILY, WE COULD HAVE SOME DESIGN CONTROL, BUT ON ONE AND TWO FAMILY PRODUCTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PUD, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THE DESIGN CONTROL JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.

OKAY. BUT I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW WHERE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED ON THE SITE.

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OKAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.

IT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THAT LITTLE COMMUNITY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THERE.

RIGHT. I JUST THINK IT WOULD HELP JUMPSTART SOME OF THESE LITTLE COMMERCIAL NODES OR SMALL POCKETS THAT ARE NOT BIG ENOUGH.

AND COMMERCIALLY, THEY MAY BE ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL PIECE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO MIXED USE.

AND IF WE COULD SOMEHOW PUT THEM TOGETHER AND LET THEM DESIGN THEIR WAY OUT OF THE BOX THEY'RE IN, I THINK IT MIGHT GIVE THEM SOME FLEXIBILITY.

IF YOU DO, I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE AND TALK ABOUT DUE TO DENSITY, THOUGH, THE DENSITY WOULD STILL BE BASED ON THE ASSIGNED DENSITY ON THE LAND USE AND ZONING ZONE.

IT JUST IT WOULD ALLOW FOR YOU TO FLOAT THAT DENSITY TO THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT SO THAT YOU COULD AGGREGATE IN ONE AREA ALL OF THE AVAILABLE DENSITY WITHIN A PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND THEN LEAVE THE REST FOR OTHER USES OR OPEN SPACE.

SO WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF A PUTT? YOU CAN ADD USES THAT AREN'T AVAILABLE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

YOU CAN WRITE YOUR OWN SETBACKS, YOU CAN WRITE YOUR OWN HEIGHT, YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN CHANGE ANYTHING.

YOU COULD HAVE A COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT.

AS LONG AS YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL IN THE FILM, YOU COULD MAYBE ADD A USE THAT WOULDN'T BE IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

IF YOU'RE WRITING A PUD, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH IT.

EVERYONE HAS TO APPROVE IT, BUT IT AT LEAST GIVES YOU THE CHANCE TO MAYBE GET OUT OF A BOX THAT YOU'RE STUCK IN.

INTERESTING. OKAY.

SO HOW WOULD WE COULD I PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT OR OR HOW DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE ON THAT.

IT'S AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD.

I MEAN, TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER, BUT I WOULD CAUTION.

THINK BACK ABOUT THE PRIORITIES FOR THIS PAST YEAR AND WHAT WE HAD ESTABLISHED AND WANTING TO DO.

AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT GIVEN THE RANGE OF ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH, WE CAN FIT INTO THIS YEAR? OR WOULD IT BE BETTER SUITED FOR NEXT YEAR? WELL, I WOULD ARGUE IT MEETS THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT TASK WE WERE GIVEN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, I WOULD EVEN WE JUST PUT THE OUR EYES TOGETHER ON IT TO UNDERSTAND IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, TO SEE WHAT THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO ALL OF THIS STUFF. AND IT'S TO GET DOWN TO SOME SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.

BUT IT MAY BE A COMPROMISE, BUT IT MAKES SENSE AND IT MAKES SENSE AS THE COMMUNITY GOES FORWARD.

I WORRY ABOUT THE VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T WANT TO TOTALLY OBLITERATE THAT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S HOW YOU MANAGE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER YOU DO YOUR JOB WELL OR NOT.

I KNOW. SO, KELLY, WHAT I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING THEN IS THAT AT SOME FUTURE DATE, WE BRING THAT UP FOR AT LEAST DISCUSSION TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

BUT NICK, WHAT DO YOU SAY THAT GIVES YOU MORE INTENSITY OF A SITE? NO, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE BOUND BY THE COVERAGES AND WELL, YOU COULD WRITE IT INTO THE CODE IF YOU WANTED TO.

YEAH, YOU COULD. YOU CAN WRITE INTO THE CODE WHAT YOU WOULD LIMIT ALLOWANCES FOR TO ACCOMMODATE A PAD AND WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IN EXCHANGE FOR CERTAIN OFFSETS.

AND THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD SEE IT ON AN AGENDA IS YOU WOULD ASK TO HAVE IT APPEAR AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FIRST, SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK THE BOARD WANTS TO TALK THROUGH LARGER ISSUES LIKE THAT AS A GROUP AND WITH THE COMMUNITY FIRST.

THAT WAY IT ALLOWS FOR THAT TO APPEAR BEFORE THERE'S ANY DECISION MAKING OR THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED.

WE GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT HEAD BEFORE WE START DEVELOPING IT.

AND THEN WE WOULD BRING YOU DRAFTS SO THAT YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT LOOKS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON IT BEFORE WE ADVERTISE IT FOR DECISION MAKING.

WELL, I WOULD SAY BASED ON THAT, I MEAN, YOU'RE FOCUSED RIGHT NOW FROM A STRATEGIC IS TO GET A NEW IMPROVED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

YES, REORGANIZE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, RESTRUCTURE AND GET IT IN MUNI CODE.

I'M GOING TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO INTRODUCE ANY NEWNESS UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT CODE LOOKS LIKE BASED ON THE RESTRUCTURING, BECAUSE WE MAY FIND OTHER WEAK SPOTS IN IT THAT WE GOT TO FIX ANYWAY.

AND KEEP IN MIND, WITH THE RESTRUCTURING, THE RESTRUCTURING IS NOT INTENDED TO SOLVE PROBLEMS OTHER THAN MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND INFORMATION.

IT IS TAKING ALL OF YOUR EXISTING LANGUAGE AND PUTTING IT IN PLACES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND THAT THE FLOW WILL BE BETTER.

AND THEN GETTING IT INTO MUNI CODE WHERE YOU CAN LINK TO IT AND HAVE HYPERLINKS BACK AND FORTH AND SEE REVISIONS AS IT'S CHANGED OVER

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IT IS NOT TO EVALUATE WHERE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE CODE AND FIX IT, BUT IT MAY GIVE YOU THE TOOL TO SIT THERE AND SAY, OH, I DO HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

YOU MAY NOT SOLVE IT THERE, BUT NOW YOU'VE MORE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED IT.

AND WHY OR WHY IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

EXACTLY. OKAY.

OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT JUST ABOUT PEDS BECAUSE I WAS READING SOME OF YOUR FACES.

I NEED NEW GLASSES, BUT I MIGHT HAVE BEEN WRONG.

DON'T BE AFRAID OF PEDS.

THERE'S NOTHING SCARY ABOUT PEDS.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT SKIPS THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS.

I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE INTERESTING AND DIFFERENT PIECE OF A PUD THAT IS WILL BE CONSIDERED AND VETTED BY THIS BOARD BEFORE IT EVEN GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND WE HAVE PROBABLY MORE PUDS IN THE CITY THAN YOU'RE AWARE OF.

AND I CAN'T I CAN THINK OF SOME REALLY OLD ONES THAT DON'T WORK.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE MARINA HAS A PUD THAT WE REPEALED.

WE DIDN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING IN THAT PUD, BUT THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL PUDS.

AMELIA PARK IS ONE.

AND DON'T BE AFRAID OF THEM.

PUDS ARE CAN BE REALLY GREAT TOOLS AND I THINK FROM NICK'S PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT IT AS SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS AT PROPERTIES AND SEES WHAT MIGHT WORK AND HE HAS A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN WE DO BECAUSE WE DON'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.

BUT THERE'S ALSO JUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN LOOKING AT THEM, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES RESTRICTIONS IN THOSE PUDS THAT ARE PUT IN BY THE CITY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE.

BUT IT'S NOT A CONTRACT, IT IS A ZONING OVERLAY.

BUT WE APPROACH IT LIKE A CONTRACT.

AND FAIR TO SAY IT ALLOWS FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AND CREATIVITY WITHIN THE PARTICULAR SITE THAT MEETS EVERYBODY'S NEEDS.

IT IS NOT A PRO DEVELOPMENT OR AN ANTI-DEVELOPMENT THING THAT.

YES, I UNDERSTAND HIS POINT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES.

ACTUALLY. IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR.

IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT EIGHT IS KIND OF LIKE A PUD CONCEPT.

NO, IT HAS THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO WITH REGARD TO DENSITY, INTENSITY AND HEIGHT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

CRANE ISLAND WAS A PUD, RIGHT? CRANE ISLAND IS A YES, I THINK IT IS.

OKAY, WAIT, WAIT A SECOND.

ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC PARK.

CRANE ISLAND IS NOT A PUD, IS IT? OR IS IT CRANE ISLAND IS A IS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE RECREATION STUFF.

WE THINK A LOT OF IT IS MIXED USE, LIKE RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL.

IT REALLY JUST HAS TO BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MIXED.

OKAY. IS THERE COMMERCIAL IN CRANE ISLAND? NO. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF CRANE ISLAND BEING IT'S ITS OWN UNIQUE ANIMAL, BUT THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT TO HANDLE IT AS A PUD BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND TO BRING IT IN THAT WAY SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND THAT CAN QUALIFY FOR A PUD.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE DIFFERENCE IN USES.

SO IT COULD ALL BE HOUSING, BUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING PROVIDED WITHIN IT, WHICH CRANE ISLAND DOES HAVE SO THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LIKE MINI DISTRICTS WITHIN CRANE ISLAND.

AND THAT STILL QUALIFIES.

I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A COMMERCIAL VISION.

ORIGINALLY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A MARINA UP INSIDE OF IT, AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAD A COMMERCIAL.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. BUT THERE IS A RECREATION COMPONENT THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN IT TOO.

AND TO BUILD ON WHAT TAMMY SAID AND MAYBE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MARK, THE NORMAL STRAIGHT ZONING DOESN'T EVER COME TO THE BOARD, BUT EVERY PUD WOULD.

SO YOU AT LEAST HAVE A BITE AT THE APPLE.

THAT'S WHY I SAY CREATIVITY AND FLEXIBILITY, BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD THAT INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, SO IT REALLY ADDS MORE GOVERNMENT LEVELS TO IT, BUT IT GIVES SOMEBODY THE FLEXIBILITY.

YOU GET TO MAKE UP SOME OF THE RULES RATHER THAN TRYING TO WORK WITHIN THE RULE OF THE CITY.

OKAY? I MEAN, WE SEE A LOT OF THEM AND I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.

I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

BUT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS OR BOARD COMMENT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLARIFICATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

IT IS ON THE 12TH JULY 12TH.

DISREGARD THE AGENDA THAT SAYS JULY FOR THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING WILL ACTUALLY BE OCCURRING THAT NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS.

SO IT'LL BE JULY 12TH.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

WE'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT JUST FOR GOOD.

ANYTHING? ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. EVERYBODY'S GOOD.

EVERYBODY'S GOT SOME NICE PLANS FOR THE SUMMER COMING UP.

YEAH. GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD, ONE LAST QUESTION.

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YES. SO WHEN WE REVIEW THE NEXT TIME, EVERYTHING WILL BE HUNKY DORY.

NO PARKING? NO.

JUST ON A MINOR CHANGE ON THE PARKING THING WITH THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE WEBSITE.

YOU COULD WATCH THAT, CORRECT? OH, YOU SAID THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS.

YEAH, IN THE 5:00 SESSION.

RIGHT. NEVER BY SESSION WORKSHOP.

IT IS RECORDED. YES.

IT'S ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

ON THE CITY VIDEOS. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE.

I THOUGHT THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF CARRYING OUT STUFF.

OKAY. ARE WE ALL SET? ALL SET. ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD.

LOCAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.