[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM ]
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GOOD AFTERNOON.WE ARE MEETING IN CITY HALL COMMISSION CHAMBERS IN FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
MADAM SECRETARY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? IF EVERYONE WOULD RISE TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.
OKAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES.
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES ]
HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES THAT WERE SENT TO US IN DRAFT FORM? DO I HEAR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES THAT ARE FROM THE APRIL 12TH, 19 OF 2023 AS WRITTEN.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. OPPOSED LIKE SIGN.
HEARING NONE. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, OLD BUSINESS.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD? HEARING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER FIVE NEW BUSINESS.
[5.1 PAB 2023-0042 - CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, S. FRONT STREET, WATER LOTS 31-34, "LOT D". ]
DAPHNE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US THE STAFF REPORT? YES. GOOD EVENING.THE CASE TONIGHT IS PAB 2020 3-0042.
THIS IS LOCATED ON SOUTH FRONT STREET AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT OR I'M SORRY, CURRENT FLUME IS INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT WITH THE ZONING OF I.W AND A CRA OVERLAY.
THE PROPOSED FLUME AND ZONING IS RECREATION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A CITY OWNED PARCEL.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 3.65 ACRES AND THE CURRENT USES ON THE PROPERTY ARE DOCKS AND A PORT.
THOSE ARE GENERALLY HIGH INTENSITY USES AND THIS IS ALSO LOCATED WITHIN THE CRA.
AND THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS ALSO REFERRED TO AS LOT D.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS PRIORITIZED WITHIN THE PUBLIC WATERFRONT PARK AREA IS PRIORITIZATION FOR RETAINING THE DESIGNATION AS AN INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT LAND USE AREA AND IT GETS INTO FURTHER DETAILS OF THAT AND CONSERVING PANORAMIC VIEWS OF THE RIVER, GUARANTEEING PUBLIC AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE RIVER AND SUPPORTING MARINA FUNCTIONS, DAILY PUBLIC USE AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND ZONING OF RECREATION ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC AND RECREATIONAL USES.
THOSE INCLUDE CEMETERIES, CLUBS, RECREATION CENTERS, GOLF COURSES, PARKS, TRAILS, ETCETERA.
HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE RECREATION LAND USE AND ZONING, SUCH AS INDOOR OR OUTDOOR AMUSEMENTS, BILLIARD PARLORS, BOWLING ALLEYS, GAME ROOMS, SKATING RINKS.
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AND I'VE INCLUDED HERE THAT SNIPPET FROM THE CRA GUIDELINES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS A PUBLIC WATERFRONT PARK DESIGN AREA. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE UNDER NUMBER ONE IN THE GENERAL RULES HERE IS THE RETENTION OF THIS AS AN INDUSTRIAL WATERFRONT LAND USE AREA. AND I'VE INCLUDED HERE A FULL LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITHIN IT AND EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH RECREATION.AGAIN, THE MAIN TAKEAWAY HERE IS THE LIMITATION OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO OCCUR ON THE RECREATION, LAND USE AND ZONING AND THE CONCLUSION THE PROPOSED RECREATIONAL LAND USE AND ZONING WAS DISCUSSED AT BOTH THE CRA BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION BOARD AS WELL THE CITY COMMISSION EXECUTIVE CRA BOARD AND BOTH RECOMMENDED FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE PAB IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE SEEING IT NOW.
HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND ZONING OF RECREATION, IT ALIGNS VERY WELL WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY WITHIN THE CRA GUIDELINES AND IS USED AS A PARK WITH CONSERVING PANORAMIC VIEWS, THE PUBLIC AND PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND THE AREAS FOR DAILY PUBLIC USE.
SO IT DOES ALIGN REALLY WELL WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE NOW.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
AGAIN, JUST A LIMITATION FOR THOSE FOR ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CRA BOARD STATED THAT THEY WANTED TO SEE AS WELL.
SO I TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DAPHNE.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE CRA BOARD.
THERE'S STILL ANOTHER 200FT UNTIL YOU GET UP TO ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
SO THAT'S STILL WATERFRONT INDUSTRIAL AND SHOULD STAY THERE UNTIL THEY GET IT CORRECT.
WE MAY END UP BEING ABLE TO TAKE ANOTHER 100FT AND ADD IT TO THIS PARTICULAR.
YOUR PARCEL IF THEY DON'T USE IT FOR ATLANTIC.
BUT NOBODY KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO POSITION THE BUILDING.
SO I THINK THE WAY WE'RE GOING IS PROBABLY A SMART MOVE.
RIGHT NOW. WE CREATE THE FEWEST NUMBER OF PROBLEMS. DO I HAVE ONE QUESTION? SINCE THERE IS A VARIANT OR VARIATION FROM WHAT THE CRA'S GOALS ARE, DO THEY HAVE TO VOTE ON ANYTHING? OR I MEAN, AS LONG AS WE JUST APPROVE IT, THAT'S THEY'VE ALREADY RECOMMENDED FOR IT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THIS MANNER.
SO. OKAY, SO IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL HERE.
SO IN EFFECT, THE COMMISSION IS ALMOST APPROVING IT AS A CRA ALSO.
OKAY. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PAB NUMBER 2023-0041.
IS THAT THE RIGHT ONE? DID IT GET YOU? I DID. 424242.
OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PAB.
CASE NUMBER 2023-42 AS WRITTEN.
OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY MR. BENNETT. DISCUSSION.
ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. OPPOSED LIKE SIGN.
HEARING NONE. THE MOTION IS APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SIX, BOARD BUSINESS.
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IS THERE ANY BOARD BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE US TODAY? OH, YES.I JUST WOULD LIKE TO TOSS THIS OUT AS A THOUGHT ITEM TO THE PAB.
WE KEEP PICKING UP MORE AND MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING AND TRAFFIC THERE.
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TRAFFIC AND PARKING IS GOING FROM A STANDPOINT OF TECHNOLOGY KIND OF TIMELINE, WHAT IT TAKES TO DEVELOP MORE OR LESS JUST TO GET AN OVERVIEW, BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GIVE US SOME SPECIFICS TO BASICALLY THE AISLE AND HOW WE MERGE WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SOME DEFINITE NECESSITY AT SOME POINT TO INCREASE THE OR THE PROBABILITY OF HAVING ADDITIONAL AVENUES OF TRAFFIC.I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW ALONG WITH SHOULD WE HAVE A PARKING GARAGE? THAT'S A BIG TOPIC.
SO I THINK I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND THEN NPR HAD A THING YESTERDAY.
WELL, IT WAS ON FRESH AIR. BUT I THINK THE PERSON THEY WERE CITING WAS THE LAST NAME WAS GRAYBAR.
SO IF YOU LOOK ON YOU CAN FIND IT.
HE HAS SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS, I'LL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
SOME GOOD, I THINK SOME BAD BUT I THINK THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO COME UP WHERE IT WAS KIND OF DISCUSSED WITH SOME SHOPPING CENTERS THAT WE HAD ALLUDED TO THE LAST MEETING.
SO MIGHT AS WELL GET AHEAD OF THAT, I WOULD SAY.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD THOUGHT.
DAPHNE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS ON SOMEONE WHO COULD TALK TO US ABOUT THAT? IS THAT DO YOU THINK THAT'S A COUNTY PERSON? DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMEONE THAT POSSIBLY ABSENT TODAY? YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T HAVE ANYONE PARTICULARLY IN MIND THAT I KNOW COULD CERTAINLY DO THIS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THAT, WOULD YOU LOOK INTO, AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOME EXPERTISE? WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM, AND I'M JUST OF THE OPINION THAT'S NOT ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO FEW PARKING SPACES, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY CARS.
AND IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE MIGHT INCENTIVIZE USING SOMETHING BESIDES A CAR CALLED MASS TRANSIT, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT'S CALLED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY AND SOMEONE FROM THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE SO INTERTWINED AND BECAUSE SO MANY ROADS BELONG TO THE COUNTY, SO MANY ROADS BELONG TO THE CITY.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP THEIR CAR.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BIG INCENTIVE.
WELL, BUT MAYBE THERE'S THIS CONCEPT, THOUGH, FOR DAY TRIPPERS PARTICULARLY, OR VISITORS WHERE YOU PARK AND RIDE KIND OF THING, IF YOU HAD GOOD ENOUGH MASS TRANSPORTATION NOW DOESN'T NEED MASS TRANSPORTATION IN MY MIND FIRST COMES UP TO BE LIKE A SUBWAY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT COULD BE THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD HERE, BUT IT WOULD BE WHERE IF YOU KNEW YOU HAD REGULAR SERVICE AND YOU COULD PARK AND RIDE KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO.
WELL I SAY WE MAKE A MOVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATION.
OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TO KEEP A RECORD HERE IN CASE YOU CAN'T HEAR ME.
AND YOU'RE ALL VERY CURIOUS. ANYWAY, SO WE NEED YOUR NAME AND WHERE YOU LIVE.
I'M A REGISTERED ARCHITECT IN FLORIDA.
I'M TRAVELING BY BOAT RIGHT NOW, PASSING THROUGH TOWN.
NOTICE THAT I'M USED TO DEALING WITH CITY COUNCILS AND ALL THAT.
SO I THOUGHT, WELL, I'LL COME BY AND SEE HOW IT WORKS HERE.
THEY MUST HAVE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THEY HAVE, BUT WE SAW ABOUT FOUR TESLA MODEL X'S.
IT'S REALLY FANTASTIC. I MEAN, WE HAPPEN TO STUMBLE ON ONE.
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IT'S SPEIGHT, ESP E I G.YEAH, IT'S SPEIGHT. ESP I'M GOING TO CALL YOU NOW THAT YOU VOLUNTEERED TO SPEAK.
WELL I'LL BE BACK ON NEXT NEXT WEDNESDAY.
NO, BUT SO THEY HAVE THAT SERVICE CITY OF NAPLES AND AGAIN I'M DOWN FROM UP FROM NAPLES.
THEY ALSO HAVE A FREE OF COURSE THEY'RE ACCEPTING TIPS, BUT THEY ALSO RUN SORT OF SIX SEATERS GOLF CARTS AROUND AND SAME DEAL.
IT'S I MIGHT HAVE THE APP ON MY PHONE.
WELL I TURNED IT OFF SO IT WOULDN'T RING.
SAME DEAL YOU LOG ON THE APP YOU SAY LOOK I'M AT BOGART'S AT DINNER AND I WANT TO GO TO HERE AND USUALLY THEY'RE THERE IN TEN MINUTES AND THEY TAKE YOU ACROSS TOWN.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS TO DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE IN MY WORLD COMING FROM MORE OF AN I PRACTICE IN ANNAPOLIS, SO PROBABLY THE MOST STRINGENT HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION IN THE COUNTRY.
SOME LARGER JURISDICTIONS HAVE CONVERTED THEM TO ARTISTS LOFTS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU HAVE TO LEVEL THE FLOOR AND ALL THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SLOPED FOR DRAINAGE.
BUT SO I WOULD DISCOURAGE YOU FROM LOOKING DOWN A PARKING GARAGE AVENUE.
IN FACT, THEY JUST REBUILT IT BECAUSE THE OLD ONE WAS COLLAPSING, BUT IT WAS THERE 30 YEARS.
BUT WHAT THEY DID IS THEY HIT IT RIGHT OFF A MAIN STREET.
AND IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE.
AND SO THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB.
IF YOU EVER GET DOWN THAT PATH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU FINDING A PLACE TO SORT OF DO THAT.
IT'S REALLY WELL DONE ANYWAY, THAT'S MY $0.02.
THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO SOLVE THE GET RID OF SOME OF THE PARKING CARS, PARK THEM OFFSITE AND OF COURSE IN ANNAPOLIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NAVAL ACADEMY, WE HAVE COMMISSIONING WEEKS.
THE NAVAL STADIUM IS OUTSIDE OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS.
BUT OUT THE MAIN BOULEVARD ROAD BOULEVARD, THERE'S A HUGE INCENTIVE TO THAT.
AND WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE PARKING GARAGES BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM.
BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY EFFECTIVELY CHARGE TWO BUCKS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER, TWO BUCKS AN HOUR TO PARK AS OPPOSED TO 12 BUCKS TO PARK AS CLOSE TO THE RESTAURANT AS YOU WANT TO GET.
SO THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE IT THAT I'VE SEEN IN MY TRAVELS.
THANK YOU. I WANT TO ASK JUST SOMETHING REALLY QUICK.
SO THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IN THE BUDGETS.
WHAT'S MICROMOBILITY? IS THERE A SPECIFIC DEFINITION FOR WHAT THAT MEANS? EXACTLY WHAT THAT DO YOU HAVE AN EXACT DEFINITION OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE IS I MEAN THE IDEA OF GOLF CARTS BRINGING IN OF I'D LOVE TO SEE SOME TESLAS TAKING ME AROUND, BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS READING AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER THE OTHER DAY ABOUT HOW EVERYWHERE BUT IN OUR COUNTRY THERE IS THERE ARE MORE AND MORE ELECTRIC RICKSHAWS, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS WEIRD.
AND BUT THEN TWO WEEKS AGO, I SAW FOUR OF THEM ON CENTER STREET IN ONE PARKING SPACE.
AND THEY AND THERE WERE TWO SEATERS AND THEY WERE COOL LOOKING.
AND I MEAN, THERE ARE OPTIONS, AS THIS MAN JUST TOLD US AND I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING OUR CITY DO SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE COOL AND DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE HAVE A COOL CITY.
RETIRED PEOPLE GET TO DRIVE RICKSHAWS.
WE HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN, PLEASE.
IT'S WAYNE STATE IN FORT MYERS, FLORIDA.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, WE ARE THE COMMUNITY I LIVE IN THERE FOR THE MOMENT IS WE'RE UNDER A MAJOR RENOVATION PROJECT FOR THE CLUBHOUSE AND A SMALL BUSINESS. AND WHAT THEY OH, I'M SORRY, THE TENNIS COURTS AT THE MOMENT.
IT'S A DIFFERENT MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET OVER THERE FOR THAT.
WELL, THE COUNTY NATURALLY IS SAYING, WELL, PROVE US THAT YOU'VE GOT PARKING.
AND SO THEY'RE STUCK IN THIS BATTLE WITH THE COUNTY.
AND SO THEY'VE STARTED THE RENOVATIONS OF THE ORIGINAL EIGHT COURTS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE.
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AND BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION SITE AND KNOW ZONE AROUND THAT, THEY SAID, OKAY, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE RECORDING THIS OFF AND NO CARS, ONLY GOLF CARTS AND BICYCLES. AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT AWAY.WE'VE GOT 300 GOLF CARTS AND WE HAVE ALL THE PARKING SPACES WE NEED.
AND FRANKLY, WELL, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION.
BUT ANYWAY, BUT IT IS, AS SOMEONE POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR IN EACH EACH LEGAL, YOU KNOW, EIGHT AND A HALF BY 18 PARKING SPACE IS HAS A SHORT CENTRAL LINE SO YOU CAN GET FOUR GOLF CARTS IN ONE SPACE.
AND JUST LIKE THAT, YOUR OCCUPANCY GOES UP INCREDIBLY ANYWAY.
WE HAVE THE COUNCIL ON AGING PROVIDED TRANSPORTATION FOR IN TOWN AND WE HARDLY HAD ANY RIDERS.
I MEAN, THEY STOPPED AT THE WE STOPPED AT THE REC CENTER.
SO THERE WAS PROVIDED AND THEY HAD THE TROLLEY AND ALL THAT KIND OF NEAPOLITAN TROLLEY.
WAS THAT ON DEMAND? HAVE YOU TAKEN ME IN ONE PLACE? I'M GOING. I CALL YOU AND SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO BE BACK IN TEN MINUTES AND GIVE ME.
YOU'RE SAYING NOBODY'S USING IT.
PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND THERE'S ALWAYS A REASON FOR THAT.
NOBODY WANTS TO GO SOMEPLACE AND WAIT AN HOUR TO GET BACK WHEN THEY HAD A FIVE MINUTE TRIP.
TRANSPORTATION, THOUGH, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE A BUS EVERY TWO SECONDS.
YOU HAVE TO HERE'S YOUR SCHEDULE AND THIS IS WHEN WE'LL BE BACK.
OKAY. SO YOU STAY IN WALMART THAT LONG, RIGHT? YOU JUST YOU STAY OR YOU ARRANGE YOUR SHOPPING OR WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING UNTIL THEY GET BACK.
COULD WE CALL UPON DAPHNE FOR JUST A MINUTE? TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SAVANNAH AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
YES, I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IS FOR YEARS NOW.
BUT IT'S AN APP CALLED THE DOWNTOWNER.
AND IT OPERATES IN ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA OF SAVANNAH, BUT IT'S A FREE UBER FOR CITIZENS OR VISITORS TO USE. AND YOU CALL IT THEY HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS AVAILABLE FROM VANS TO SMALLER CARS.
IT'S PAID FOR BY THE CITY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TIP.
ALL OF THE CARS ARE GREEN CARS.
SO IT HELPS WHEN YOU'RE VISITING.
YOU CAN CALL THEM BACK AND IT'S JUST A REALLY CONVENIENT, EASY SERVICE AND IT'S FREE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO USE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE OR WORRY ABOUT PARKING. AND SO THE CITY OF SAVANNAH PAYS FOR THIS, THE CITY OF SAVANNAH PAYS.
HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST A YEAR? I DON'T KNOW. I'VE BEEN INTERESTED TO FIND THAT OUT MYSELF.
BUT THEY THE CITY OF SAVANNAH DOES IT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE ALL GREEN CARS THAT THEY USE.
SO LITERALLY GREEN OR JUST CARS.
I DON'T I'M NOT SURE I DIDN'T DO IT RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE. BUT IT'S A GREAT APP AND I PERSONALLY WOULD LOVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CAME HERE.
YOU SAY THEY DO THAT THROUGH UBER.
IT'S OWN. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO UBER, BUT THE APP IS CALLED THE DOWNTOWNER.
BUT SAVANNAH HAS A HUGE DOWNTOWN, SO IT WORKS REALLY WELL THERE, RIGHT? YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE ELECTRIC CARS IN TERMS WHEN THEY'VE GOT TO GO IN FOR CHARGING AND SO ON.
I'M GOING TO CALL IT A MUNICIPAL TAX ON BUSINESSES TO HELP FUND IT.
SO IF YOU'RE DOWNTOWN OR IN A I'LL JUST PICK CENTER STREET AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO THOSE MERCHANTS WOULD HAVE A BIT OF A REVENUE INCREASE IN TERMS OF I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE THROUGH THE TAX BASE OR HOW THEY WOULD IT BE ADDED OR NON BOYLAN OR WHATEVER TO HELP FUND IT WITH THE IDEA THAT'S GOING TO BRING MORE BUSINESS DOWNTOWN AND PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT.
WELL, DAPHNE, IF YOU COULD COME BACK TO US WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT SPEAK TO US AND GIVE US SORT OF A WHERE THINGS ARE, IS IT MORE OF A LEARNING SESSION ON PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION OR JUST
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TRANSPORTATION? IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR AREA THAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON MORE OR BOTH? I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S BOTH.I WOULD SAY, YEAH, THE SAVANNAH ONE IN PARTICULAR WE JUST MET AND TO TO KIND OF BOUNCE OFF WHAT HE SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO, IF YOU GO TO CHARLESTON, THEY'VE GOT PARKING GARAGES AROUND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE UNLESS YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
AND THEY APPARENTLY HAVE PUT PARKING GARAGES BACK IN SOME OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR HOTELS AND STUFF AROUND THE PERIMETER.
PARKING IS OVER IN THE MIDDLE.
SO YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE WAY IN, OUT, MAYBE BUILT.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY OF KIND OF DISGUISING IT.
BUT THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVANTAGE.
THEY CAN GO UP 5 OR 6 STORIES BECAUSE THAT'S THE ELEVATION OF THE CITY, THE BIGGER CITY.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT BUILDING A PARK, A COUPLE PARKING GARAGES.
I THINK YOU'D REALLY HAVE TO STUDY IT A LOT.
YEAH. TO GET THERE TELLING YOU ABOUT ALTERNATIVES TO THAT.
SO TAYLOR JUST FOUND ON THE DOWNTOWNERS WEBSITE YOU CAN REQUEST A LIVE DEMO FOR FREE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL ARE INTERESTED IN AND HEARING MORE ABOUT, WE CAN REQUEST THE DEMO.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH, THAT'D BE GOOD.
YEAH. I CAN TELL YOU THE ONE IN NAPLES IS CALLED SLIDER.
SLIDER AND IT'S ON THE SLIDER AND THAT'S OUT OF ANNAPOLIS.
SO IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH RESTAURANTS.
THEY HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF WHERE ARE YOU? AND THE SLIDER IS IN NAPLES, WHICH I'M GOING TO TAKE A WILD GUESS IS DEMOGRAPHICALLY SIMILAR TO FERNANDINA BEACH, THOUGH BIGGER BUT OLD SAVANNAH ISN'T. BUT SLIDER, YOU'RE ACTUALLY OLD.
SO ANY. I MEAN, THERE IS SOME ATTRACTIVENESS TO THAT JUST TO HELP OLDER PEOPLE GET AROUND AND SAFELY AND.
THE TECHNOLOGY IS HERE OR WILL BE HERE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS NOT TO BE IS WHAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES ON THE CITY'S PAYROLL, SO TO SPEAK? WHAT CAN THE CITY AFFORD TO DO OR NOT AFFORD TO DO? OR HOW CAN WE COME UP WITH ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, MAYBE PRIVATE OR PRIVATE INVESTMENT? YOU KNOW, DAPHNE, I'D LIKE TO HEAR, TOO, FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT KIND OF OF IMPACT THAT THEY THINK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO HAVE FOR THE FUTURE.
I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THEY'VE DONE SOME STUDIES AND SORT OF SHARE WITH US SORT OF THE STATE KIND OF THING OF WHERE WE ARE IN NASSAU COUNTY.
YEAH, I YOU KNOW, AND THAT MAY ALSO SORT OF ROLL INTO SOME POPULATION NUMBERS.
I THINK THAT SOME STATISTICS WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, I THINK, IN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, BUT MAYBE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE. SURE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR DAPHNE OR FOR PETE? THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION, PETE.
SO THAT IS ITEM NUMBER SIX, BOARD BUSINESS STAFF REPORT NUMBER SEVEN.
ANYTHING TO BRING UP ONE MORE BOARD BUSINESS THING.
I JUST WANT I WANT TO ASK KELLY AND DAPHNE A QUESTION.
SO WE LAST TIME WE MET, TALKED ABOUT SHOPPING CENTERS, TALKED ABOUT PARKING LOTS.
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TO. DEFINE WHAT CAN BE BUILT THERE AND WHAT IT IS BUILT OF AND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.SO THERE'S NO THERE IS NOTHING IN PLACE.
SO WE CAN'T SAY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT KIND OF STORES GO IN THERE OR NOT NECESSARILY.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS AN ENTICING, BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY AND NOT AN UGLY PROPERTY? SO CERTAINLY WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH OUR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE, BUT NOT THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING, THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF.
NOW WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE CONTROL OVER HEIGHT IN SOME ZONING AREAS WHERE THE BUILDING IS PLACED, WHERE THE PARKING IS PLACED, HOW MUCH LANDSCAPING WE ADD TO IT.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
BUT THE COLOR OF THE BUILDING, THAT KIND OF THING OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A SPECIAL DISTRICT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO AND THERE'S NO SPECIAL DISTRICT WE CAN CREATE. I'M NOT SURE WHICH WHAT THE SPECIAL DISTRICT WOULD BE.
THE ISSUE OF ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW HAS COME UP AND THERE WAS AN OUTCRY AGAINST IT.
WE TRIED TO. SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT.
WILLIE'S WIENERS WAS WHEN THAT ONE STARTED WAY BACK WHEN.
I'M GOING TO GO IN AND REMEMBER WILLIE'S WIENERS WITH THE SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS.
OKAY. LET ME LET ME JUST TAKE A SPIN OFF OF WHAT RICHARD JUST SAID.
DAPHNE, WE DO HAVE A CRITERIA.
I THINK IN SECTION SEVEN OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ON PARKING, CAN WE PUT THOSE CERTAIN PERCENT OF THOSE SPACES HAVE TO BE FOR ELECTRIC CARS OR GOLF CARTS? COULD WE ADD THAT? WOULD THAT BE ANOTHER WAY? I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.
BUT THE ISSUE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S TOO MANY SPACES FOR CARS THAT AREN'T NEEDED.
AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
WELL, I THINK WE GOT TO FOCUS ON THE BICYCLES.
I MEAN, YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS RIDING DOWN CENTER STREET, SERIOUSLY.
I MEAN, YOU GOT IF YOU'RE A GOOD BIKE CYCLIST, YOU'RE OKAY.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ENVIRONMENT THERE THAT'S PRETTY DANGEROUS TO THE INEXPERIENCED.
AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS SOMEBODY COMING INTO TOWN.
THEY DON'T KNOW THE STREETS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE IS CURRENTLY A TASK FORCE.
IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN BIKING WALKING TASK FORCE THAT'S LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE THINGS RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF IT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK INTO IT.
ATTEND ONE OF THE UPCOMING MEETINGS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF IT.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE COMPLETE WITH ITEM SIX BOARD BUSINESS.
STAFF REPORT. THERE IS NO STAFF REPORT NUMBER EIGHT.
[8. PUBLIC COMMENT ]
IS THERE PUBLIC COMMENT? ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TO MARVEL? SURELY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO.YOU'RE HERE. WE PUT HER TO WORK.
ALL RIGHT. SPEAK TO US, MARGARET.
MARGARET KIRKLAND, 1377, PLANTATION POINTE DRIVE.
YEAH, I'M REALLY THRILLED WITH THIS DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON OUR INPUT FOR THE COMP PLAN, PARTICULARLY LARRY HEMKE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON ROADS, TRAFFIC, PARKING, THOSE ISSUES, AND SHE'S STILL INTERESTED IN THAT.
I WOULD SAY IN THE COUNTY YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT OUR ROBERT COMPANION.
HE SEEMS TO BE PRETTY WELL PLUGGED IN WITH IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY, BUT WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IN THE AREA.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, IN TERMS OF THE CRA GUIDELINES, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THOSE WERE WRITTEN? I CAN LOOK AND SEE THE EXACT DATE.
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OKAY. IN 2005, 2012 IS WHAT I'M HEARING.IN 2005, NONE OF US WERE VERY OR MOST OF US WERE NOT VERY AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT IS GOING ON WITH SEA LEVEL AND SO ON.
EVEN THOUGH FERNANDINA BEACH HAS BEEN MEASURING SEA LEVEL RISE SINCE 1890.
RIGHT. BUT SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT ANY DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS THAT HAVE BEEN WRITTEN, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ARE THERE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE THAT RELATE TO OUR CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR ECONOMY AND SO ON? SO THAT'S IT.
I WAS LOOKING AT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE POSTED IN THE PACKET.
I REALIZED I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE, BUT I PREFER TO FORGET IT.
THERE'S NO ALONG THE WATERFRONT FOR THE CRA.
THERE'S, A WAIVER OF THE BUFFER THAT YOU NEED FOR THE RIVER.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BE WAIVING THAT.
AND SO I'M JUST ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS AS WE ENCOUNTER THE DOCUMENTS THAT CONTROL OUR LIVES. THANK YOU.
YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK, BRING SOME THINGS ABOUT PARKING.
DID YOU GET SOME CURRENT STATISTICS ON CARS AT KEY LOCATIONS LIKE EIGHTH STREET AND ATLANTIC? NUMBERS OF VEHICLES.
I CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES ON THAT ONE, BUT I'LL CERTAINLY DO MY BEST TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SORT OF INFORMATION IS ALREADY.
WELL, I KNOW IT'S OUT THERE THAT, BUT I'LL LOOK INTO IT.
WHAT ABOUT 14TH AND SADLER? WELL, SORT OF MAIN INTERSECTION.
THINK 14 MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, JUST SO WE HAVE SOME IDEA.
WELL, IT'S NICE TO KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT 50,000 CARS GOING BY YOU.
RIGHT. I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT.
THOSE ARE AVAILABLE TO THE STATE, RIGHT? YES, SIR. COME ON BACK.
I WASN'T GONNA SAY. DO YOU NEED A PLACE TO LIVE WHILE YOU'RE HERE IN YOUR BOAT? ACTUALLY, IT WAS QUITE COMFORTABLE.
THANK YOU. IF I MAY MENTION THREE THINGS.
[INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY? WAYNE STATE, FORT MYERS, FLORIDA.
33908 IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF IT.
WELL, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED HEAVILY IN THE SEA LEVEL RISE ISSUES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF IT, THERE'S A PRETTY FREQUENT CONFERENCE.
IT'S CALLED KEEPING HISTORY ABOVE WATER.
ORIGINALLY STARTED FROM NEWPORT, RHODE ISLAND.
WE'VE THERE. I MEAN, I WAS ACTIVE VERY MUCH IN THE ONE IN ANNAPOLIS.
THE OTHER POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY DISCUSSION.
IN FACT, WE WERE IN THE AIRPORT, I THINK WEST PALM.
YEAH, IT'S TOO FAR AWAY IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE WALKING DOG PARK ON EIGHTH STREET.
BUT YOU CAN'T GET THERE BY A GOLF CART BECAUSE IT'S TOO HIGH OF A SPEED LIMIT.
BUT ANYWAY, IN WEST PALM, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DOG BAR IN WHICH YOU PAY TEN BUCKS PER DOG.
AND IT'S AND THE DOGS RUN FREE WHILE YOU HAVE YOUR FOOD AND MEAL.
SO IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THING FOR THEM AT LEAST ANYWAY.
SO ANYWAY, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU THAT WE, THE TOWNS WE GO IN LIKE WE WERE JUST IN TITUSVILLE AND IT'S LITERALLY NEXT TO THE MARINA AND IT'S THE GREATEST THING ON EARTH. BUT ANYWAY, THE SEA LEVEL RISE IS A VERY DOG FRIENDLY CITY.
OH, IT VERY MUCH IS. NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE SOME DOG ISSUES NOW BECAUSE EVERY STORE GIVES THEM A TREAT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY ENTIRELY.
OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD NOW? WE ALL OF OUR MEETINGS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY SET UP.
REMEMBER THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ONE ON THE 17TH AND THAT HAS BEEN CANCELED.
SO IT'S NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED.
THEREFORE, THERE IS NO LONGER NEED FOR A MEETING.
SO THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES TO THE BOA.
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NO CHANGES.OKAY. AND SO THEN THE ALTERNATIVE DATE THAT WE WERE HAVING AS A PLACEHOLDER WAS THE 24TH.
SO THAT HAS BEEN CLEARED AS WELL.
SO THERE ARE YOUR CALENDARS OF THE 24TH.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S COMING UP IS NEXT TUESDAY.
THE 16TH IS THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, WHERE MANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND APPROVED HAVE BEEN FORWARDED ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THEIR REVIEW AND AND DISCUSSION.
AND IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PAB.
THERE. NOT THAT WE HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT JUST IS IT 5 OR 6? I THINK IT'S SIX.
I THINK IT'S 6:00. NO, THERE'S NO WORKSHOP FIVE.
NO WORK, NO WORKSHOP MEETING AT FIVE.
OKAY. SO 6:00 SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE.
IF WE CAN ALL BE THERE OR PROBABLY BE THERE.
ANY ANYTHING ELSE OF INTEREST TO THE PAB THAT WE NEED TO BRING UP OR REMIND EACH OTHER OF THE ONLY THERE'S SEARCH COMMITTEE, THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH COMMITTEE.
THAT'S MONDAY, 6:00, THE 15TH OF MAY.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS FOR THE BOARD, I MOVE TO ADJOURN.
THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S OUR RECORD.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.