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MEMBER GILLETTE IS ABSENT FROM HDC MEMBER HERE.
CHAIR IS ABSENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY. ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA, OUR JOINT AGENDA DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS.
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4.1 FOLLOW UP ON PAB SLASH CITY COMMISSION JOINT ACTION ITEMS. WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT? KELLY DAPHNE, I CAN GO OVER WE JUST PLACES ON THE AGENDA REALLY TO GO OVER AND DC WAS ON A PART OF THAT MEETING WANTED TO INFORM THEM ON SOME OF THE ACTION ITEMS THAT CAME AS A RESULT OF THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE CITY COMMISSION BACK IN FEBRUARY.WE HAD LOTS OF GREAT IDEAS AND DISCUSSIONS ON FEES AND CHANGES TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION, ADDING IN MORE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
ANOTHER TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND LAST ANNUAL JOINT MEETING.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS YOU'RE HERE TODAY.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET THE BOARDS TOGETHER MORE OFTEN.
THAT WILL BE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, ALONG WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL TO GET TOGETHER ON SPECIFIC TOPICS RELATED TO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
MAY 17TH, CORRECT? YES. AND YOU SAID THE AGENDA FOR THAT.
IT'S ONLY TO TALK ABOUT LDC ITEMS. YES. OKAY. AND SPECIFICALLY, DO WE WANT TO SAY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE VARIANCE? YES, IT'LL BE THE TOPIC IS GOING TO BE ON VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT'S WITHIN CHAPTER TEN OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THERE'S ALSO WITHIN CHAPTER EIGHT FOR HCC.
ANY, ANY FEEDBACK FOR STAFF OR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE PRESENTED? ANY ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? WE WE ON THE PAB HAVE JUST IN OUR LAST APRIL MEETING, ITEM NUMBER THREE, COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, PARKING STANDARDS AND COMMERCIAL PUD WAS SOMETHING THAT WE SPENT SOME GREAT DEAL OF TIME ON.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS EXCUSE ME, THE A LOT OF THE VACANCIES, VACANT RETAIL VACANCIES THAT WE SEE IN OUR SHOPPING CENTERS AND WAYS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IN THE IN THE EXISTING THIS IS FOR REDEVELOPMENT ONLY FOR EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE STANDARDS FOR PARKING, SOME OF THE PERMEABLE IMPERMEABLE REQUIREMENTS, THINGS THAT MIGHT MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME OF THOSE RETAIL SPOTS FILLED.
SO THAT TOOK A LOT OF OUR TIME AND OUR LAST PAB MEETING.
ALL OF THAT IS OBVIOUSLY ONLINE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE THE VIDEO, IT'S A GOOD VIDEO.
ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ITEM 4.1, I DO HAVE A COMMENT ON NUMBER FIVE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS WERE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE.
YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, IT HAS A IT HAS A TASK FORCE.
I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
IDENTIFY, OF COURSE, COUNTYWIDE IDENTIFY IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES FOR POTENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
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FAR, NO. NO.LOTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL.
BUT I WAS WONDERING WHAT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED REGARDING THAT TOPIC FOR FOR THE CITY.
THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THE CITY COMMISSION IS AN INTEREST IN BOTH THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN LOOKING AT ALL THE OPTIONS THAT THERE ARE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NOT TO LOSE TRACK OF THAT AS ONE OF OUR GOALS TO SEE IN WHAT WAYS CAN WE HELP LOOK AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS A CHALLENGE IN THE CITY.
BUT WE SAID WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.
THERE IS A LAND TRUST ALREADY IN PLACE.
SO IT'S IT'S BECOMING FAR ALONG.
BUT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO CONCRETE IDEAS OR CONCRETE PLANS.
JUST JUST THE COUNTY WILLING TO GIVE THE LAND AWAY FOR DEVELOPMENT.
GOOD. YEAH. IS THERE A REASON THAT THE CITY HASN'T BEEN LOOKED AT? WELL, I BELIEVE.
WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU MY IMPRESSION.
AND I. AND SOME OF THE HISTORY.
THERE WERE TWO LOTS WITHOUT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS THAT WE LOOKED AT.
AND IN FACT I DID SOME CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS FOR FOR THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH, BUT BUT IT DID.
RIGHT? AND THEN THERE WAS THE THE PROPERTY ON 14TH, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, CENTER 14.
THERE'S A PROPERTY THERE ON THE LEFT, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE BEHIND.
WHAT'S THERE? I THINK THE THAT'S THE ONE NORTH OF ATLANTIC.
IT IS NORTH WHERE THE OLD HOSPITAL WAS.
OH IT COULD BE BUILD THE, THE THE MEDICAL COUNCIL.
AND AND THAT ONE WE DIDN'T GET TOO FAR ON THAT ONE BUT IT GOT OFF THE, IT GOT PUSHED OFF THE LIST.
MY PERCEPTION AND THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HAD ON SOME OF THE ON THE SESSIONS IS THAT REALLY WITHIN THE CITY FIRST THE THE PROPERTY THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS SO HIGH THAT IT THAT IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
AND SECOND, THE PERCEPTION THE PERCEPTION OF THE CITY RESIDENTS, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO TO PRESENT TO THE CITY AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AND NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.
SO SO SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY THEY ARE STEERING MORE TOWARDS THE COUNTY.
PETE. SOMETHING ELSE I THINK ALL OF US COLLECTIVELY NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS ITEM NUMBER TWO.
TRANSPORTATION. IT COMES UP IN ALMOST ANY DISCUSSION YOU HAVE ABOUT WHETHER IT'S IN THE CITY, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACROSS THE BRIDGE ON THIS SIDE, WHATEVER.
I THINK WE'VE SOMEHOW GOT TO START GETTING A CORE TOGETHER OF TALENT THAT CAN START PUTTING SOME PLANS TOGETHER, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WE'RE GOING TO GO CRITICAL ON IT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ENOUGH GROWTH ACROSS THAT BRIDGE TO GET THE POINT WHERE THIS THE CITY ITSELF IS GOING TO GET BURIED IN A IN A MACHINE THAT JUST QUIT RUNNING.
SO I THINK THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE OVER THE HORIZON.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.
WHAT WAS THE CITY'S YOU SAID THESE ITEMS CAME FROM THE FISHING CENTER.
WELL, THEY CAME ACTUALLY FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.
NO CITY COMMISSION PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, JOINT MEETING.
SO WHAT WERE THEIR FEELINGS ON TRANSPORTATION? THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WHO PLACES AS AN ACTION ITEM TO LOOK INTO MORE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS AND TO PRIORITIZE THAT.
I THINK. I DON'T KNOW. MR. ROSS I THINK THERE'S PRETTY NEAR UNANIMOUS FEELING ON THE PART OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT IT IS SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON.
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AM I CORRECT? I THINK I THINK I THINK THERE'S YEAH, THERE'S BROAD TROUBLE.THERE'S A BROAD FEELING THAT IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.
AND WHETHER IT'S A MATTER OF LOCAL BUSSES THAT MOVE PEOPLE FROM THE BEACH TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA OR WHETHER IT'S I MEAN, THE ROADWAYS OR THE ROADWAYS, I MEAN, THERE IS NO WAY TO EXPAND THOSE ROADWAYS ON THE ISLAND.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW DO YOU CONFIGURE IT.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH SADDLER ROAD HEADING TO THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, PUT PARKING ON EACH SIDE, PUT PARKING ON ONE SIDE, DO ALL KINDS OF CREATIVE THINGS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY DEFINITE PLANS YET.
AND SO MOST OF THESE ITEMS WERE JUST TO BE PUT ON ON OUR RADAR SCREEN WITH SOME GENERAL OVERVIEW.
THAT WAS REALLY OUR FIRST FIRST ONE.
LOOKING AT THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF LONG TERM VERSUS IMMEDIACY AND SORT OF EXTRAPOLATING SOME OF THESE NEEDS AND FIGURING OUT LIKE IN MY MIND, WHAT'S THE ZEITGEIST OF OUR CITY LIKE RIGHT NOW? I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TWO VERY STRONG CONFLICTING THEMES.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE CONSERVE PRESERVE, DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THOSE ARE THE TWO BODIES THAT ARE CONSTANTLY DOING THIS.
SO AND I DID NOT WATCH THAT MEETING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY DIRECTION GIVEN TO WHAT IS OUR LONG TERM GOAL FOR OUR CITY OR ARE WE JUST ADDRESSING THESE THINGS LIKE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE UP IN SPECIFIC ISSUES? IT IS A IT'S A YIN AND YANG KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO KEY REALLY FACTORS THAT REALLY ARE IN OUR CITY BECAUSE THE GROUP THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT TREES, CONSERVING LAND, PROTECTING WETLANDS, THAT KIND OF THING, THEY SEE THE REALLY THE THE STATE HAS BROUGHT IN SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT SAY PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY AS BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UNLESS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A ZONING CHANGE, THEN THEY COME TO US.
SO THERE IS A HUGE, AS WE KNOW, HUGE AMOUNT OF GROWTH GOING ON AND, AND YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW WE MANAGE THAT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT TO IT IS, IS REALLY THE CHALLENGE THAT WE LOOK AT ALL THE TIME WHEN THESE SUBJECTS COME UP IS HOW DO WE BALANCE THIS WITH TREES? WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SAY A LOT HAS GOT A TREE IN THE MIDDLE.
DO WE SAY, WELL, OKAY, DO YOU MOVE THE HOUSE OVER SO THAT YOU CAN SAVE THE TREE? I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROPERTY THAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP.
SO IT'S IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING FOR US TO REALLY COME UP WITH ANSWERS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.
AND IT IS THE SIGN OF THE TIMES THAT PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THEY WANT THEY WANT TO BUILD AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN ON THE PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE.
AND THANK GOODNESS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT'S BEEN, IN FACT IN PLACE FOR WHAT, SINCE THE 70S.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE LUCKY IN THAT FORM, IN THAT FACT THAT WE HAVE A VERY STRONG LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DOES SORT OF GIVE US SOME DIRECTION.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT.
ONE THAT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IS LIGHTING AND.
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THEY DON'T SEE OR UNDERSTAND TURTLES.AND THEY LEAVE THEIR, THEIR THEIR THEIR DUNE LIGHTS ON ALL THE TIME.
AND YOU GO, YOU KNOW, NO, NO, I WANT TO RUN OVER THERE AND SAY, PLEASE TURN YOUR LIGHTS OFF.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NOWADAYS, GOSH, THAT COULD BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I SAID A WHOLE WHOLE BACK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S LIKE LIVING TOGETHER.
AND IT IT'S JUST WE'VE JUST GOT TO KEEP WORKING TOGETHER TO TO WORK BOTH SIDES OF THAT EQUATION. BUT DANNY, YOU GO AHEAD.
NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I MOVED HERE 26 YEARS AGO AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS STILL THE SUBJECT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL WE HAVEN'T THERE'S NO RESOLVE.
RIGHT? THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. IT'S A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU SELL IT, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU PRESENT IT.
AND IT'S A FACTUAL DIFFERENCE.
RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
SO, TAMMY, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT I LIKE YOUR WORD ZEIT-GEIST OF THE CITY IS AND TO DECIDE ON THAT.
AND TO ME, THERE'S THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THAT, AND I HAVEN'T USED THAT WORD.
WE HAVE ORDINANCES, WE HAVE CODES.
THIS WAS THE WRONG OUTCOME AND SEE HOW DID WE GET THERE AND WHAT IS IN THE PLAN.
IF WE HAVE THIS PLAN AND WE HAVE THIS COMP PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CHANGE THOSE PLANS.
WE NEED TO CHANGE THOSE ORDINANCES SO WE GET THE CITY WE WANT AND NOT SO WE GET STUFF WE DON'T WANT.
AND AND IT SEEMS TO ME CONSERVATION IS IN THE DNA OF THE CITY.
ENVIRONMENTALISM IS IN THE DNA CHIPS SHAKING HIS HEAD.
YEAH, I KNOW. BUT SO I'M SAYING I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE DNA OF THE CITY AND I'M GLAD WE'RE A BARRIER ISLAND. ANYBODY, ANYWHERE WHO WANTS TO TEAR UP THE ENVIRONMENT OF A BARRIER ISLAND IS A IS NOT A SMART PERSON IN MY OPINION.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS EXCITED ABOUT THIS MEETING BECAUSE I'M THINKING OUR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE COMBINED WITH YOUR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE IS MAYBE WE CAN, AS WE WANT TO PROTECT OR RESPECT PRIVATE PROPERTY IS THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE DO IT AGAIN IS HOW DO WE BUILD BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE PROUD OF? HOW DO WE, WHEN WE HAVE TO BUILD BUILDINGS, HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY WILL WANT TO TEAR THOSE BUILDINGS DOWN IN 200 YEARS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN THE NEXT HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT THE SUCCESSORS THAT WE HAVE WILL WANT TO SAVE THOSE BUILDINGS AND PRESERVE THOSE BUILDINGS.
IF WE BUILD WHEN WE HAVE TO BUILD BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS CREATED OUT OF BUILT WITH LOCAL MATERIALS, I THINK BOTH SIDES GET HAPPY. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO JUST PRESERVE I'VE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S BORING.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT A THRIVING, LIVING, VITAL CITY, BUT WE WANT A NEIGHBORLY, BEAUTIFUL, ROBUST CITY.
AND TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY DEFINED, ALTHOUGH SAW TOOTHED HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE PURVIEW OVER.
AND IT'S I MEAN, TRULY, IT'S A LIMITED PURVIEW.
THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN CAN DISCUSS AND HAVE JURISDICTION OVER.
POSSIBLY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT MOVING FORWARD IS WHAT ARE OTHER AREAS, OTHER COMMUNITIES, THE BOX, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CULTURAL DIFFERENCES AND AND MAYBE IT'S NOT A DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT THERE COULD BE GUIDELINES OR DISCUSSION AREAS.
AND AND HOW DO WE HANG ON TO THIS CULTURAL PIECE OF THIS CITY AND ITS POCKETS? THERE'S DIFFERENT POCKETS OF CULTURE IN THE CITY.
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CHAMPIONING EDUCATION FOR PEOPLE AND ESPECIALLY NEWCOMERS THAT ARE COMING IN.LIKE, HERE'S WHAT MAKES THIS PLACE IMPORTANT.
THIS IS PROBABLY WHY YOU MOVED HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
YOU KNOW, WE ERASE THESE THINGS AND AND WE LOSE IT DECISION BY DECISION, BY DECISION.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE ARE MYRTLE BEACH.
THAT'S RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, SEE, IT'S ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING THINGS FOR I'M JUST GOING TO SAY FOR ME, BUT I THINK FOR US IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WITH AND IT GOES BACK TO THE ORDINANCES, HOW DO WE GET STUFF WE DON'T WANT? BECAUSE PEOPLE COME IN AND IF THEY CHECK THE BOXES, IT HAPPENS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING IT TO OUR BOARD.
AND IF THEY CHECK THE BOXES, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF BECAUSE IT'S BROUGHT TO US TO A VOTE, I'M ASSUMING THAT A NO VOTE IS LEGITIMATE, THAT WE CAN VOTE NO. AND BUT IF THE BOXES GET CHECKED AND IT PRODUCES AN OUTCOME WE DON'T WANT, THEN WE GOT TO CHANGE THE BOXES.
I THINK I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND THEY ALL HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THOSE CHECKS.
SO SO THE GOAL WOULD BE HOW DO WE HOW DO WE CREATE DIFFERENT PLANS? KIND OF LIKE WHAT WHAT WE HAVE FOR EIGHTH STREET OR SOME SOMETHING LIKE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES THAT THEY CAN THAT THEY CAN THAT THE DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE TO CHECK BESIDES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT VAGUE IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURAL AND DURABILITY.
BUT WE DON'T GET TO SAY ABOUT THAT THAT I MEAN LET ME JAMES OR ISLAND WHAT WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE BUILT A BUILDING ON THE ISLAND OR IN THE CITY THAT SOMEBODY WILL WANT TO SAVE FOR 200 YEARS? SO YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT AND I THINK YOU HIT ON IT WHEN YOU MENTIONED EIGHTH STREET THAT THE NEW ZONING IS REALLY SAL, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S REALLY OUR ONLY ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT HAS ANY LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TOWARDS THE CHARACTER OF THE DESIGN THAT'S GOING IN SOMEWHERE.
AND EVEN IN MUA, IT'S VERY, VERY KIND OF LIMITED IN WHAT IT SAYS, VERY OPEN ENDED.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TEETH IN IT, BUT FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE, EVEN IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR, SAY, A NEW CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S NO DESIGN RULES WHATSOEVER.
THERE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE WHATSOEVER.
ALL IT DEFINES IS SETBACKS, BUILDING HEIGHTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT MATERIAL OR MASSING OR STYLE OR ANY OF THAT.
AND THEN THAT ALWAYS FALLS TO US TO SUGGEST OR NOT SUGGEST.
BUT THERE'S LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NO TEETH IN IT, RIGHT? THERE'S REALLY NO TEETH. I MEAN, WE'RE LUCKY THAT THE THE THE OWNERS THAT DEVELOP THESE BUILDINGS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEY THEY REALLY WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB. BUT REALLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE TEETH THAT WE I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A HAMMER THAT WE CAN SAY, NO, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THE LAST TIME I CAN FIND THE WORD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT USED WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS 2015.
GUESS WHERE THAT WAS? EIGHT PEOPLE WORK.
THERE'S ONE OF THEM RIGHT THERE THAT WORKED ON THAT AND PUT TOGETHER A VISION.
NOW YOU CAN YOU CAN NICKEL AND DIME IT OR IT'S WORKING.
IT LOOKS BETTER TODAY THAN IT DID TEN YEARS AGO.
SO IT WAS A FIRST ATTEMPT, BUT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
AND WE MAY STILL HAVE SOME HOLES IN THE FABRIC, BUT I.
I LOOKED AT THE ARTICLE THAT SAL SENT AROUND CONCERNING CHARLESTON, WHAT THEY DID.
NOW, APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES THAT I WASN'T AWARE.
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THEY'VE GOT MULTIPLE HISTORICAL DISTRICTS THEY'VE GOT SO THEY'VE THEY'VE GOT MORE CONTROL OVER IT, BUT THEY'VE GONE IN WITH A VISION WHERE WHEN THE BUILDINGS ARE PUT TOGETHER, THEY, THEY LOOK LIKE THEY WERE THERE 100 YEARS AGO.RIGHT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD CALL LIKE THE TAVERN.
BUT AND PETER, THEY LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE THERE A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
AND THE KEY WITH THAT WAS THE MASSING.
SO IT WASN'T JUST LIKE BUILD IT OUT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP TO THE FRONT.
THEY MASSED IT. THEY USED DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN TRYING TO MIMIC A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND THEN BUILDING SOMETHING THAT IS COMPATIBLE THAT WILL BE AROUND FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS.
SO YOU CAN HAVE SOME LITTLE TWEAKS TO IT.
IT IS. AND AND I'M A LITTLE WARY OF THE TERM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
NOT THAT I'M AGAINST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT IT'S OFTEN USED TO JUSTIFY GOD AWFUL BUILDINGS AND CENTERS AND STORES AND UGLY THINGS.
I MEAN, IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN, SECTION 12, IT'S A FOUR PAGE.
IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT IT'S THERE.
BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY PLACE.
OKAY. PROBABLY WANT SOMETHING LIKE A COTTAGE OR COASTAL COTTAGE TYPE OF DESIGN.
THERE'S NOT ANY OF THAT KIND OF GUIDANCE.
I CAN GO IN THERE AND BUY UP A PROPERTY THAT'S 50FT WIDE.
SO, KELLY, HOW ABOUT WE TRY TO ADDRESS THAT IN I'M TRYING TO THINK, WAS THAT THE COMP PLAN? THE LAST TIME THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT, WHERE WE LOOKED AT ELEMENTS OF STYLE FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, IT JUST SORT OF RINGS A BELL WITH ME.
KELLY GIBSON, DIRECTOR PLANNING CONSERVATION.
WE HAVE THERE IS COMMUNITY CHARACTER DEFINED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS THERE AND TALKS ABOUT THINGS LIKE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, LOT WIDTH, THAT KIND OF THING.
THE CITY, UNFORTUNATELY, IS VERY LIMITED IN WHAT IT CAN DO FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THE VERY LIGHT VERSION OF ARCHITECTURAL GUIDANCE PROVIDED IN EIGHT.
SO STATE INDICATED THAT WE CAN NO LONGER PLACE ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENTS OUTSIDE OF HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A SPECIAL DISTRICT THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED BY THE CITY SPEAKS TO DOESN'T APPLY THAT WAY TO COMMERCIAL YET.
SO WE ARE ABLE TO REALLY SHAPE THE WAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DESIGN OF OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE STILL HAVE HOME RULE FOR THE HTC OR OR SPECIAL DISTRICTS? SO MAYBE THAT'S OUR KEY.
WE NEED SOME OVERLAYING SPECIAL DISTRICTS, BUT IT HAS TO BE A FORMAL SPECIAL DISTRICT AS DEFINED BY WHOM? US OR BY? WE'VE GOT IT LISTED RIGHT UP HERE FROM THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
AND SO THIS, I THINK, IS A GOOD LEAD IN TO THE DISCUSSION OF A PRESERVATION PLAN, WHICH WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A PRESERVATION PLAN, I WOULD THINK ABOUT IT LIKE OUR CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT REALLY GUIDES WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY.
A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THEM.
WE DO HAVE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS.
AND THE TALK THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE ABOUT CHARACTER OF INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE THE STANDARDS FOR CREATING HISTORIC DISTRICTS IS PRETTY HIGH.
AND THAT'S REALLY THE FOCUS OF THE.
NATIONAL REGISTER CURRENTLY TO CREATE OTHER DISTRICTS.
BUT THE CITY CAN ITSELF CREATE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS.
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AND BASED ON THIS STATUTE HERE, WE CAN'T REGULATE THINGS LIKE HEIGHT AND SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT BRINGING IN THOSE THOSE RESIDENTS AND FINDING OUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT, WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD A SPECIFIC CHARACTER, NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO PRESERVE AND NOT SEE? JUST BIG WHITE BOX HOUSES PUT IN LOT LINE TO LOT LINE.
LOOKING AT A PRESERVATION PLAN THAT REALLY I THINK WILL HELP GUIDE US IN SOME OF THAT.
AND PRESERVATION PLANS ARE SET UP A LOT LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE YOU HAVE THE THE KIND OF LOFTY GOALS OF THE CITY AND IT OUTLINES WHAT THAT IS IMPORTANT.
AND THEN IT ALSO OUTLINES HOW YOU ACHIEVE THOSE, WHAT THE POLICIES ARE.
AND SO AS WE'RE GOING INTO THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP WITH BOTH BOARDS AND SEE IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARDS WERE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING AND WORKING TOGETHER ON IN THE FUTURE.
BUT WHEN YOU SAY PRESERVATION THAT CAN GUIDE WE'RE PRESERVING NEIGHBORHOODS OR DISTRICTS, CORRECT? SO THAT WILL GUIDE WHAT IS NEW.
YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY REGULATE ARCHITECTURE.
ESSER SO WITH SOME OF THOSE DISTRICTS, WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES THAT WILL GET US TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE IN KEEPING THE CHARACTER OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND AS THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS REDEVELOP, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS THOSE SAME CHARACTERISTICS, AND WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT CHARACTER OVER TIME.
SO IT CAN BE LOOKING FORWARD, RIGHT? YES, CORRECT. BUT YOU JUST CORRECT THE MODEL IS WE WANT THINGS TO VISUALLY LOOK LIKE THEY DID 50 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER THE TIMING OR BASICALLY KEEP WHATEVER CHARACTER FOR.
IT'S AN OVERARCHING PLAN FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
BUT IN THAT WE CAN WE CAN IDENTIFY INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND FIND OUT SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT CHARACTER IS OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT IN SCALE.
THEY'RE DIFFERENT IN TYPES OF ARCHITECTURE, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS, HOW FAR APART HOUSES ARE.
AND THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE AND DEFINE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THERE ARE MANY NEW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT IN THE CITY LIMITS, CORRECT? YEAH. IT'S IT'S WE'RE BASICALLY INFILL OR DEMO AND INFILL.
AND SO I'M READING THIS AS SAYING WE CAN.
RIGHT. YEAH. HAVE SAY OVER THIS.
AND I THINK WHAT TO SAL'S POINT IS WE CAN LOOK TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTERISTICS OF EXISTING TO INFORM DECISIONS FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE MIGHT NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OR WHATNOT.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST IMPORTANT TO GET THIS OUT THERE FOR THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT.
IF A PLAN LIKE THIS WAS WAS TO GO FORTH, WHO DOES THE WORK? WHO PAYS FOR IT? I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS WOULD IT BE GRANT FUNDED? WOULD IT BE THESE PEOPLE? WOULD THERE BE A CONSULTATION, A CONSULTANT, YOU KNOW, DOES THE CITY HAVE TO MATCH IT? THAT'S WHERE WE ALWAYS GET PUSHBACK WITH ANYTHING NEW.
THAT'S COMING UP, THE STAFF AND THE DOLLARS.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL TELL YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, AMELIA PARK.
THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF KEEPING THE KEEPING IT WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
WE'VE GOT AN I LIVE THERE, WE'VE GOT AN ARCHITECTURAL BOARD.
WE'VE GOT RULES, VERY INTENTIONAL, VERY INTENTIONAL AND VERY INTENTIONAL.
YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, WHAT WOULD MAKE SOMEONE DO THAT? I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN MAKE IT AN ECONOMIC BINGO.
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YES. EDUCATION. AND IF YOU DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO WAIVE THIS.IF YOU FOLLOW THESE THINGS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS. YOU DON'T HAVE SOME OF THAT.
BECAUSE I WAS A COMMISSIONER THEN.
IF YOU DID THIS, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO SO IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS BASICALLY SAYING TO SOMEBODY, LOOK, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU DO IT THIS WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. AND AND I SEE WE COULD DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL HAVE SOME IF YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN DESIGNATED AN AREA AS ANOTHER SPECIAL DISTRICT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PUSHBACK.
AND WAIT A SECOND, PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THIS KIND OF STUFF.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT ONE OF THE BEST WAYS OF DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS TO PUT AN OVERALL AN OVERARCHING PLAN TO SAY IF YOU FOLLOW THESE TYPE OF THINGS WHICH WORK MORE INTO THIS, THE CITY WILL WAIVE VARIOUS FEES, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOMEBODY AN INCENTIVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES WHEN THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE. AND YOU WOULD HIT BOTH CAMPS THAT WAY.
YOU'D HIT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PURELY LIKE, I'M GOING TO PRESERVE THAT HOUSE NO MATTER WHAT.
AND IS THERE LIKE AN ECONOMIC STEERING CURVE? IT'S AN ECONOMIC BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THIS STUFF REALLY HAS TO BE DRIVEN BY ECONOMICS.
YEAH. IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.
IF I CAN DO IT FOR 100 ECONOMICS, EITHER WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT.
SO WE DO IT, CONTROL IT OR THEY CAN CONTROL US.
DO IT FOR $150 A SQUARE FOOT RATHER THAN 160.
THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING, RIGHT? YEAH. IS THAT A I THINK TAMMY BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT WHERE YOU SAYING, WHAT'S OUR INVESTMENT INTO THIS? BECAUSE I THINK WE KIND OF GOT A GLIMPSE AT IT THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR WHERE I KIND OF WORKED WITH DAPHNE TO BRING TO YOU GUYS AN ISSUE WITH REALLY WAS JUST ONE DEFINITION IN DC AND LOOK HOW MANY TIMES WE HAD TO GO TO FINALLY HAMMER OUT THAT ONE LITTLE PIECE OF LANGUAGE TO GET IT RIGHT.
BUT IT WAS I FEEL LIKE IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I WAS ENCOURAGED BY THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS SEEM TO VERY QUICKLY UNDERSTAND THE WAY IT'S WORDED IS GOING TO START TO DRIVE THE ARCHITECTURE.
AND IF IT'S NOT WORDED RIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THINGS THAT YOU DON'T LIKE GETTING BUILT.
BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SAY THE OVERHANG CAN'T PROJECT INTO THE SETBACK, PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO GET RID OF OVERHANGS BECAUSE THEY THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP A LIVING ROOM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIT THE HOUSE IN THERE.
AND THAT COSTS MONEY AND IT COSTS TIME AND IT TAKES A COMMITMENT.
AND THAT, LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS ARE AWARE THAT WAS OVER ONE DEFINITION, RIGHT? WELL, IMAGINE THE WHOLE LDC, YOU RUN INTO THE WHAT I CALL THE LONG TERM UNPLANNED CONSEQUENCES ALSO OUT OF IT.
AND THEN IT JUST IT TRICKLES DOWN FROM THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT IT WAS NOT JUST YOU, BUT IT WAS A VARIETY OF THE ARCHITECTS IN TOWN THAT REALLY GOT TOGETHER TO HELP US. RIGHT.
AND IT WAS IT REALLY WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE EFFORT ON EVERYONE'S PART.
THEY UNDERSTOOD IMMEDIATELY WHEN I CALLED HIM AND SAID, HEY, DO YOU ACTUALLY REALIZE THE WAY THIS WAS WRITTEN? AND WHEN THEY READ IT, THEY'RE LIKE, OH MY GOD, WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.
YEP, YEP. AND WE APPRECIATED THAT FEEDBACK.
WE, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOGETHER JOINTLY TO GET CLARIFICATION HELPS ALL OF US.
I THINK THAT HARKENS BACK TO TAMMY'S POINT.
YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT PIECEMEAL AND YOU CAN'T DO IT.
THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET DONE FOR FREE BECAUSE THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME THAT SOME AND PROBABLY NOT ONE PERSON TO DO IT, PROBABLY A WHOLE TEAM. THE GOOD NEWS, I THINK, IS, AS SALLY IDENTIFIED IN HIS EMAIL TO US ALL, WE DON'T HAVE TO INVENT THE WHEEL HERE.
WOULD THAT BE A STANDALONE, A STANDALONE DOCUMENT, OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UNDERNEATH THE COMP PLAN OR WHAT? WOULD YOU HOW WOULD YOU SEE THAT? IT WOULD BE A STANDALONE DOCUMENT THAT GETS ADOPTED AND WOULD COULD BE REFERENCED IN OTHER DOCUMENTS.
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SO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE, ALMOST AS LONG AS YOU ARE STILL LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'VE NEVER HEARD A COMMUNITY OR BOARD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY VALUES.AND I AND I, YOU KNOW, WE PUT TECHNICAL JARGON AROUND THOSE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS, BUT BECAUSE WE PUT SO MUCH TECHNICAL JARGON AROUND THEM, WE LOSE THE POINT, I THINK.
SO I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A FAIRLY BELIEVABLE AND ACCEPTABLE STATEMENT TO SAY THAT WE IN FERNANDINA VALUE OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES. BUT THEN I REMEMBER HEARING DURING ONE ELECTION, I LIVE AT THE BEACH.
THEY CAN BULLDOZE THAT POST OFFICE FOR ALL I CARE.
SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE VALUE AS A COMMUNITY OR NOT? ARE THE THINGS THAT SAL'S TALKING ABOUT.
FOR EXAMPLE, I RECENTLY WAS WORKING ON A PROJECT FOR LISA AND SAL AND DOING SOME RESEARCH ABOUT EIGHTH STREET AND ITS HISTORY AS AN AUTOMOBILE PLACE TO GO, ALL THINGS AUTOMOBILE, GAS STATIONS, ETCETERA.
SO IN MY MIND, IF YOU WERE EVER GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO WHAT'S NOW THE CUBAN 1928 RESTAURANT, MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE GAS STATION, IT WAS BECAUSE IT'S ALL AUTOMOBILE STUFF, RIGHT? AND VALUE THAT PART OF OUR HISTORY.
MR. WEISS DID WHEN HE DROVE HIS 1902 OLDSMOBILE DOWN THERE TO GET GASOLINE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS WHOLE CULTURAL HISTORY THAT WE RARELY TALK ABOUT.
AND IF YOU DO ANY KIND OF RESEARCH ON THE FOLKS THAT STARTED THIS DOWNTOWN AFTER ULI MADE HIS CHANGES, THEY WERE SOME AMAZING PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM WERE A LITTLE SHADY, I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.
BUT SOME OF THEM WERE JUST FREAKING AMAZING PEOPLE.
AND MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, UNLESS THEY WERE RELATED TO ONE OF THEM THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY FORGET THEY WERE ARE UNKNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHY. THE SWAN BUILDING SAYS SWAN BUILDING AT THE TOP.
THEY DON'T KNOW WHY. THE BUILDING SAYS THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHO HE WAS.
THEY DON'T REALLY PAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION.
WE VALUED IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BRING HISTORIC TOURISM.
AND NOW THAT IT DOES, WE DON'T LIKE IT ANYMORE.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PRESERVATION PLAN THAT SAYS THESE ARE THE THINGS WE VALUE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND THAT IS REFLECTED IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THESE YOU KNOW, WE SAY THIS BECAUSE DANIEL CAME BACK TO FLORIDA AFTER BEING STATIONED HERE IN THE CIVIL WAR AND HE WAS THE FIRST CUSTOMS OFFICER.
SO. SO WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE VALUE? AND AND THAT TO ME FEELS VERY MUCH LIKE IT'S IN BOTH OF OUR BALLPARKS.
WELL, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS LAST SUMMER WE PUBLISHED A VISION 2045.
ONE OF THE FIVE ITEMS WAS PRESERVATION OF CHARACTER.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO IT IS. SO I THINK FROM A VISIONARY STANDPOINT, IT'S THERE.
AS FAR AS ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION, WE'RE PROBABLY STILL IN THE REACTIVE MODE, RIGHT? WE'RE ACTIVE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO LOOK LONG DEVELOP THE LONG RANGE STRATEGY THAT WE CAN OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND INCLUDING OLD TOWN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN EXECUTED IN THE WAY THAT THAT IT COULD BE.
THAT'S MY I THINK YOU'D GET A PLURALITY OF HANDS GOING UP ON THAT.
BUT IT THERE IS THE NEED TO CREATE AN ETHOS.
I MEAN, JUST THE JUST THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD NOBODY WOULD BUILD AN UGLY BUILDING HERE.
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THEY JUST HAD A TOUR OF SOME OF THE HOUSES IN OLD TOWN AND AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE THINGS.IT STRIKES ME AS THE CITY IS KIND OF MADE FOR IT IF WE'LL JUST DO IT.
RIGHT. RIGHT. AND AND I THINK WORK TOGETHER AND NOT IN SILOS.
RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL WORKING ON THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS JUST IN SILO FASHION.
AND I DO THINK THAT WORDS MATTER.
OH, SO MUCH BECAUSE I, I THREW AROUND AND HE CAN ATTEST TO IT.
I THREW AROUND THE WORD VISION MANY TIMES WHEN WE SAT ON THE COMMISSION TOGETHER AND HE I THINK HE WAS PHYSICALLY GOING TO HIT ME AT ONE POINT BECAUSE NO, EVERYTHING JUST DECLARED EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT BUT VISION IS A WORD THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE AN EXTREMELY NEGATIVE REACTION TO.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS ANOTHER PHRASE THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN EXTREMELY NEGATIVE REACTION TO.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE WHATEVER WHATEVER PRODUCT WE TALK ABOUT NEEDS TO HAVE A GLOSSARY WITH IT TO SAY, WHAT DID WE MEAN RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY ORDINANCES ARE WRITTEN.
I MEAN, WHO CAN UNDERSTAND AN ORDINANCE ANYWAY? I NEVER COULD. WELL, AND I THINK TO WHAT YOU SAID INITIALLY, WHAT MAKES WHAT DO THE RESIDENTS THINK AND THE CITIZENS THINK? WHAT MAKES THIS IMPORTANT? YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. BUT I FEEL LIKE IT'S OUR CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY TO LEAD THAT HORSE.
RIGHT. SO THIS IS THIS IS IMPORTANT.
I'M THERE. WE HAD A VERY STRIKING TO ME.
ANYWAY, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ON A PROJECT ON MAIN STREET AND IT INVOLVED AN OLD PHOTO OF EIGHTH STREET, WHICH WAS ONLY PARKING DOWN BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.
THERE WAS NOT ONE TREE ON ALL OF EIGHTH STREET.
AND THEY GAVE UP PARKING TO GET TREES.
AND I BET EVEN THE PEOPLE TODAY WHO ARE ADAMANT ABOUT DON'T LOSE ONE PARKING SPACE WOULD NOT GIVE UP THOSE TREES ON CENTER STREET TO GAIN A PARKING SPACE BECAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF CENTER STREET WITHOUT THE TREES ON IT NOW.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS SEEN IT.
THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE SITTING IN THE SHADE OF THOSE TREES.
IT'S CREATED DYNAMIC, LITTLE FOCAL POINTS ALL DOWN THAT STREET.
SO AS LONG AS WE CONSCIENTIOUSLY TRY AND TACKLE THESE PROBLEMS AND HAVE AN EYE TOWARDS WHAT THE FUTURE WILL LOOK LIKE, I THINK WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.
I THINK THAT FORWARD THINKING AND AND BEING STRATEGIC ABOUT WHAT WE UNDERSTAND AND CAN COMMONLY ACCEPT AS VALUE THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THE ECONOMIC PIECE OF IT.
I MEAN, THIS OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, WE WE SAY SENSE OF PLACE.
WHAT MAKES FERNANDINA, FERNANDINA, THE DUNES, ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
THAT'S WHAT'S BRINGING THE MONEY IN HERE.
THAT IS WHAT THE MILLS ARE DOING THEIR THING.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THE MILLS GOING.
THAT'S HAPPENING. BUT IT'S IF WE LOSE EVERYTHING ELSE, I MEAN, SO THAT COULD BE HOW WE CONVINCE OTHER PEOPLE WE'VE GOT TO FOCUS ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S OUR ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE CITY.
AND IF WE LOSE THAT MOVE OUT, WELL, THIS PRESERVATION PLAN OR CONCEPT HAS IT'S GOT TO GO UP EVEN HIGHER THAN THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE.
WE GET TIED TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IS BLACK AND WHITE PRETTY MUCH.
WE'VE WE'VE DEALT WITH IT ONCE IN DECEMBER AND WE PUT A NO VOTE TO IT AND WE DEALT WITH IT IN OUR APRIL MEETING AND WE SAID WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH IT AND WE'RE PASSING IT BACK ON UP THE CHAIN TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
WE WE'VE MADE OUR VOTE AND WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE.
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AND THAT, I THINK, IS THE MAYBE SOME FRUSTRATION THAT THAT WE FEEL AS WELL, THAT THERE'S THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM TO SAY, WELL, WE WE REALLY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE THIS WHEN THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO THAT.SO IT'S THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF THE THE SITUATION THAT WE HAVE NOW BY IMPLEMENTING A PRESERVATION I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEN COMES THROUGH YOU GUYS TO US AND WE SAY, YES, WE LOVE IT AND WE APPROVE IT AND THEN IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
BUT THAT'S WHO HAS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE FINAL WORD.
THAT ALLOWS US TO INCORPORATE THESE THINGS INTO OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR YOUR YOUR PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF THE, THE BACKGROUND.
AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? KELLY WHAT THAT HOW IT WOULD HAVE TO ROLL OUT? NO. YES.
SO SO I WOULD YES, ULTIMATELY, THE COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE IT, BUT I WOULD SEE IT AS KIND OF A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN PAB AND HDC IN THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS.
AND I'VE GOT ONE EXAMPLE UP HERE ON THE BOARD.
THIS IS PLANO, TEXAS, WHICH THEIR PROJECT WAS, WAS REALLY GOOD.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE I THINK BOTH THE GROUPS REALLY NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
AND BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED BUY IN FROM THE COMMISSION.
WE DEFINITELY NEED BUY IN FROM CITIZENS.
BUT I THINK BY DOING THIS WORK IS HOW WE START TO GET SOME OF THAT BUY IN.
BUT IS THIS A PROJECT LIKE OUR VISION STATEMENT, OUR VISION PLAN? I MEAN, WE SPENT A LONG TIME, ALMOST A YEAR, ALMOST A YEAR AND A CONSULTANT AND A LOT OF DOLLARS TO GET THAT THING DONE.
ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS JUST US SITTING AROUND THE TABLE HERE KIND OF THING? IT CAN BE DONE MULTIPLE WAYS.
UM, WE COULD LOOK AT DOING IT IN HOUSE, BUT THAT IS A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES.
WE COULD LOOK AT GETTING GRANT FUNDING THERE IS THE STATE GRANT COMING UP IN JUNE.
WE COULD MAKE THIS OUR PRIORITY.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS TO TO TACKLE IT.
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT THAT ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSION HAS TO HAS TO WANT THIS AND BUY INTO IT.
SO WOULD THE IF WE WENT THE GRANT ROUTE, WOULD THE COMMISSION HAVE TO APPROVE THAT? I'M JUST GOING TO ASK. THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO, YES.
BEFORE WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT, THE COMMISSION WOULD HEAR IT.
AND SO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOME EFFORT MADE TO HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
CORRECT. AND IF THAT'S IN JUNE, THAT MAKES THIS THIS NOW LESS THAN 60 DAYS TO GET THAT COMPLETED.
AND THE COMMISSION DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY FUNDING SET ASIDE FOR THE FOR THE 200 YEARS ACTIVITIES AND OCCASION THAT WE CAN TAP INTO IT? LET'S TRY TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON.
THAT'S THAT'S GOING WHAT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
I THINK HE ALSO YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST BRAINSTORM.
THERE HAS TO BE A DEFINITIVE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS? ARE THEY IS IT MATERIALS? IS IT THE YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT IS IT? IS IT EVERYTHING? AND YOU JUST CAN'T SIT AROUND A TABLE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A PLAN AS TO LIKE AN ALGORITHM AS TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE MEMBERS OF EACH BOARD A SUBSET WORK AS A TASK FORCE ACCOUNTABLE TO BOTH BOARDS? YES. 100%.
YEAH. WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE TECHNICAL REVIEW BOARD, TOO? IT COULD. NO.
WHY WOULD IT? WHY? WHY WOULD IT NOT? OR WHY WOULD IT? WHY WOULD YOU? WHY NOT? I MEAN, I THINK OF THEM AS HAVING A CODE THAT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW.
THEY'RE BLACK. THEY'RE IT'S EITHER YES OR NO.
AND THAT I MEAN THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
YEAH, BUT A SUB INTERPRET, INTERPRET, MAKE SURE THAT THE STRUCTURES THAT MEET THAT CODE.
THAT IS CORRECT. BUT THEY'RE ALL THE CITY STAFF ARE WOULD BE AT OUR DISPOSAL TOO.
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IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OR OR ACTUALLY DO THE WORK WE COULD DO EITHER WAY, IT DEPENDS IF IF WE FEEL THAT GOING WITH A CONSULTANT IS A BETTER WAY OR DOING IT IN-HOUSE IS BETTER.ARE THERE DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF GRANTS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR? WHAT'S THE NEXT WHAT'S THE NEXT DATE AVAILABLE? SO THE GRANT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE DIVISION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES, SMALL MATCHING GRANT.
IT IS ONCE A YEAR, EVERY JUNE.
AND THAT'S AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MATCH THAT BECAUSE WE'RE A READY COMMUNITY.
WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE A MATCH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CALLED A MATCHING GRANT.
WE DON'T. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT MUCH FOR A CONSULTING FIRM.
FOR US, IT'S NOT THAT WOULD BE LIKE HAVE A FEW PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE'LL PUT TOGETHER A FEW IDEAS.
YEAH. AND WE HAVE A PLAN LIKE THAT TO USE AS A TEMPLATE.
CORRECT. SO IT CAN BE A HYBRID.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO MATCH IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMPETING PROJECTS IN THE CITY FOR THAT GRANT? NOT FOR THE SMALL MATCHING GRANT.
OKAY. SO MAYBE JUST A DOG AND PONY SHOW FOR THE COMMISSION WOULD BE NEXT.
WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE OR COULD IT BE INTERNALLY DONE? HOW WOULD THAT WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PRESENTATION TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION.
THEY NEED TO BUY IN ON THE FRONT END IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST DO IT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THROW IT ON THE ON THE RIGHT CREDENZA, IT'S IT'S A PRETTY CRITICAL PRESENTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF A PRESERVATION PLAN.
BECAUSE MY SENSE IS THAT IF ANY OF THEM THINK IT TRANSLATES TO MORE MONEY ON THEIR PART OR MORE PROCESS, AND JUST KEEP IN MIND, THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START THE BUDGET PROCESS, LIKE IF NOT SOON, IT'S LIKE NOW THEY JUST FINISHED. YEAH.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING BECAUSE FOR BASICALLY THE TWO BEING IN STURGIS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AT LEAST ONCE, MAYBE TWICE, BUT THERE'S TWO NOW THAT HAVE NEVER GONE THROUGH IT.
WELL, LET'S SEE. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR JUST THESE PROJECT STEPS OR IS THERE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.
OKAY. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE WHOLE THING.
WE WENT FROM ONE STEP TO A COUPLE OF HUNDRED PAGES.
YOU PUT THAT IN OUR PACKET, DIDN'T YOU? THIS PARTICULAR ONE'S NOT, BUT I CAN FORWARD IT TO EVERYONE FROM THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE THAT HAD SOME STEPS OUT IN IT.
IT WAS JUST THE TWO WERE IN THE PACKET IS THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE FOR PRESERVATION COMMISSION.
SAINT AUGUSTINE RECENTLY DID THEIR PRESERVATION PLAN AND CHARLESTON.
AND SO IF YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE YEAH SAINT AUGUSTINE'S WAS GREAT.
YEAH. SAINT AUGUSTINE HAS IT REALLY.
YOU KNOW, I READ THESE AND I READ LIKE THESE ARTICLES AND I FEEL LIKE, WHY ARE WE SO BEHIND? WHAT IS OUR PROBLEM? WE GOT MONEY IN THIS PLACE AND WE'RE LIKE, IN THE DARK AGES, YOU KNOW, FORWARD THINKING, RESILIENCY, PROTECTION.
OH, I THINK WE FOUND WHO'S GOING BEFORE THE COMMISSION GO FAVOR.
I THINK I THINK THERE MAY BE ONE KEY THAT WE'VE GOT TO CONSIDER.
I ASKED THAT QUESTION IN CHARLESTON.
BUT ALL THOSE THINGS WERE DONE WITHIN A DEFINED HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT EXPANSION.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY EVERYTHING THROUGH.
SEVENTH STREET IS HISTORICAL DISTRICT THAT TAKES A BUY IN FROM EVERY CITIZEN.
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YOU DO THESE OVERLAY. YEAH, YEAH.THEN THE OTHER IMPORTANT HALF OF THAT IS WHAT? HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THAT? YEAH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REGULATE IT.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE PRESERVATION PLAN.
THAT WOULD BE A SECOND STAGE TO IT.
CORRECT. BUT THE INCENTIVES WOULD BE SEPARATE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE IDENTIFIED THE PARTS OF THIRD THROUGH SEVENTH SOUTH THAT ARE NOT IN TODAY'S CURRENT HISTORIC DISTRICT AS AN AREA, A SPECIFIC AREA, AND WE HAD AN INCENTIVE FOR SOMEBODY TO RESTORE A HISTORIC PROPERTY THAT NOW THEY HAVE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
AND EVEN AFTER THEY WERE TOLD SOME OF THEM DIDN'T DO IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD WRAP IN IT.
THEY DON'T ALL NECESSARILY MEAN A COST TO THE CITY.
KEEP IN MIND THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC DISTRICT SET UP WAS THAT YOU COULD OPT OUT OF BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
RIGHT. WELL, YOU HAD TO OPT IN.
I DON'T THINK NOW ONCE YOU'RE IN, CAN YOU OPT OUT? ONCE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN. INITIALLY, WHEN IT WAS ROLLED OUT, YOU WANT TO BE YOU COULD EITHER YOU GO THROUGH YOU COULD EITHER OPT IN OR OPT OUT.
RIGHT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, ONCE THAT PROPERTY IS OPTED IN, THEN YOU'RE IN, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST OPT OUT, BUT AND YOU MAY FIND PEOPLE THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT A PRESERVATION PLAN AS WELL, SINCE THIS WOULD BE A NEW SITUATION.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE THINKING BACK THEN.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE INCENTIVES COME IN.
NO. RIGHT. IT WOULD JUST BRING WITH IT SOME BEST PRACTICES AND GUIDELINES TO DIFFERENT HIERARCHIES.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS STILL THE ONE THAT REALLY HAS TEETH TO AS A REGULATION AND THESE OVERLAYS WOULD BE JUST GUIDELINES, SUGGESTIONS, CORRECT THAT WE CAN BRING BACK THE INCENTIVES TO WHICH IS WHAT OLD TOWN IS TODAY.
OLD TOWN IS A DISTRICT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
BUT THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES ARE NOT THE SAME AS THEY ARE IN THE REGULAR DISTRICT, CORRECT? IT'S ITS OWN IT'S ITS OWN DISTRICT WITH ITS OWN SET OF GUIDELINES BASED ON WHAT IS HISTORIC ABOUT OLD TOWN.
CORRECT FROM. SO IT'S FIVE MINUTES AFTER SIX.
IN ORDER TO KEEP US ON SCHEDULE, HOW WOULD WE LIKE TO WRAP UP THIS DISCUSSION? HOW WOULD WE LIKE TO ARE THERE ACTION ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER TO CONTINUE ON THIS CONVERSATION SO THAT IT'S A IT'S AN ITEM FOR US TO KEEP TRACK OF? WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE IT. THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION HERE.
WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE TWO BOARDS? SAL? ABSENT A VOTE FROM THE HTC ON MOVING AHEAD WITH A PRESERVATION PLAN.
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MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT A COUPLE OF US, LIKE THE ONE SITTING NEXT TO ME AND I GET WITH YOU ON HOW WE COULD ESTABLISH MAYBE A SUBCOMMITTEE AND WORK ON A PRESENTATION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION.WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. YEAH, ME TOO.
SO YOU HAVE A PLAN ALREADY IN PLACE THAT YOU CAN OVERSEE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE CITY? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO TEAR DOWN THINGS AND REBUILD? AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THOSE PLACES THAT, WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT PRESERVATION COULD BE IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL AREAS FOR DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO IF WE'RE OVER HERE, HERE'S ONE DISTRICT AND THIS IS THE THOUGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS TO GO TO THE COMMISSION TO POTENTIALLY GET A SMALL GRANT TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF.
AND I THINK IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT LOOKING AT SPECIAL DISTRICTS TO TRY TO KEEP THE CHARACTER OF VARIOUS AREAS, NO REGULATIONS, IT WOULD BE ANY REGULATIONS.
LET ME ADDRESS THAT FOR A WHILE.
I MEAN, WE DID WE DID IT IN A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OF 100 AND 305 WAS TO LOOK AT THE AREA, SENSE OF PLACE, LOTS OF RECORD. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE TERMS YOU ALL HAVE HEARD BEEN THROWN AROUND WAS TO KEEP THAT SENSE OF PLACE, NOT TEAR IT ALL DOWN AND REBUILD SOMETHING. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF RULES IN PLACE THAT COULD BE EXPANDED, YOU KNOW, TO.
JUST LOOK AT THIS STUFF BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUNCH OF THINGS TORN DOWN TO REBUILD.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THAT.
305 SAID THAT A LOT OF RECORD, WHICH THESE TERMS ARE ALL DEFINED, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, WELL, WHAT'S THE LOTS OF RECORD. THAT'S HOW MANY THINGS CAN BE REDEVELOPED ON THAT SITE.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THIS PRESERVATION TERM GOES TO, WHICH GOES BACK TO WHAT? HOW ARE WE DEFINING THAT? I MEAN. WELL, I TALK ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT VISIONS.
EVERYTHING'S ALWAYS BEEN A SENSE OF PLACE.
WHAT IS FERNANDINA? WHAT WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE.
AND ALL OF THESE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR HOW MANY YEARS PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THAT GETS BACK TO WHAT JIM WAS SAYING EARLIER IS WORDS MATTER.
AND IF IT'S I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK, CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WHETHER IS IT IS IT A PRESERVATION PLAN OR WHAT IS IT? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I SORT OF AGREE WITH MR. BENNETT. PRESERVATION SORT OF INDICATES MORE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO WE HAVE TO GET OUR GROUP HAS TO GET ON THE SAME.
HE DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT.
YEAH, RIGHT. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET PEOPLE TO.
WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN, SECTION 12, THERE IS A PAGE WHICH MORE OR LESS SAYS, HERE'S SOME ZONES, AND THIS WAS FOR ECONOMIC ZONES.
SO THEY DID KIND OF, FOR INSTANCE, THE AIRPORT, ALL THAT PROPERTY, THAT'S AN ECONOMIC ZONE.
SO ONE WAY MAYBE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, OKAY, IF I HAVE A BAND DOWN EIGHTH STREET RIGHT NOW THAT'S SOMEWHAT SO WEST OF EIGHTH STREET OVER TO, SAY THIRD STREET, WHAT WHAT MIGHT COULD YOU MAYBE CLASSIFY THAT AS ALL BASICALLY ONE AREA OF MORE SIMILAR THAN DISSIMILAR THEN YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING OF, YOU KNOW, GO NORTH OF CENTER STREET AND TAKE AND JUST TRY AND TAKE SOME LOOKS AT THE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT MAKE UP.
FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY, BASICALLY ALMOST EIGHTH STREET, YOU GOT A WHOLE HISTORICAL DISTRICT IN TERMS OF HOUSEHOLD STRUCTURES NORTH OF THERE FOR WHAT, 4 OR 5 BLOCKS? IT'S NOT ALL, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY AND YOU WOULD CERTAINLY SAY, WELL, YOU'D WANT TO KEEP THAT SAME CHARACTER IN THE COMMUNITY IF SOMEBODY REPLACED IT AND THERE MAY BE A
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CASE A HOUSE COULD BURN DOWN, THERE COULD BE OTHER THINGS HAPPEN, A STORM COULD COME THROUGH OR WHATEVER.SO IF YOU WANTED, IT MIGHT BE JUST A WAY TO SAY, HOW DO WE HAVE 20 DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER OR TO JUST BE KIND OF GET A SIZING ON IT? I'D BE A FIRST STEP.
I THINK THAT ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THE TIMING OF BEING ABLE TO APPLY FOR A GRANT AND BEING ABLE TO QUICKLY SORT OF SYNTHESIZE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT THAT GRANT THAT HAS TO GO BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND SO WE MAY HAVE SOME MORE TIME.
I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO AND DIDN'T GO.
WELL, IF A COUPLE OF US FROM THE HGC SIT WITH YOU, SAL, AND TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE CRITICAL POINTS TO EXPLAIN TO SOMEBODY ABOUT WHAT A PRESERVATION PLAN IS, THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE THE PAB, IT COULD BE THE THE COMMISSION, IT COULD BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION SOMEWHERE, WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE.
IT JUST THIS IS WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT ENTAILS AND WHAT IT AND THE DESIRED RESULT OF IT.
CAN WE PUT THAT TOGETHER AND START SHARING THAT AROUND HTC AND THEN MAYBE BRING IT BACK? WE COULD DO IT AS AN HTC SUBCOMMITTEE.
WHAT DOES THIS THING LOOK LIKE? WELL, I WOULD THINK WITH ELAINE'S WHAT SHE'S SUGGESTING, IT GETS AWAY FROM THE BLANK PIECE OF PAPER, PUTS SOMETHING DOWN ON PAPER TO START WITH, AND YOU CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST OR WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE, BUT IT MIGHT JUST BE ENOUGH TO LIGHT THE LIGHT, THE FUZE TO GET THE JUICES FLOWING.
SO COULD YOU PUT TOGETHER SOME AREAS IN THE CITY THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE IMPORTANT? WE ALREADY HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY REPORTS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT OVER THE YEARS OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY.
THAT'S WHAT WE DID FOR THE EMU WAS IDENTIFY AN AREA AND THAT WAS THE AREA THAT WAS GOING TO CHANGE.
PROPERTY. IT CHANGES OVER TIME.
IT WAS A LOT DIFFERENT IN 1950 THAN IT IS IN 2023.
SO I'M JUST SAYING IS A PROPERTY FROM THE 50S HISTORICAL NOW? SO YES AND NO.
THE THE ANSWER IS SO 50 YEARS IS THE BENCHMARK FOR SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED HISTORIC, BUT TO BE A DESIGNATED HISTORIC STRUCTURE, YOU HAVE TO BE EITHER IDENTIFIED BY THE CITY AS LOCALLY IMPORTANT OR PUT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AND THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS PROPERTIES, BEING ABLE TO GET GRANT FUNDING AND BE A HISTORIC PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT IN ANY OTHER DISTRICTS WE DO OR OVERLAYS WE DO HERE IN THE CITY IS WHAT PARTICULARLY MAKES A NEIGHBORHOOD A SPECIFIC CHARACTER.
AND I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS YOU.
IT'S NOT JUST PRESERVING A STRUCTURE THAT IS 51 YEARS OLD OR 151.
WE'RE PRESERVING THE CHARACTER.
[01:15:03]
AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT FINE LINE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE, WELL, I DON'T LIVE IN AN OLD HOUSE, SO WHO CARES? BUT I LIVE IN A MILL HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WHERE I LIVE IN THIS, THIS LITTLE THING THAT WAS BUILT, I DON'T KNOW, 49 YEARS AGO.SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE KEY IN DEFINING THIS UP FRONT.
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING STRUCTURES.
IT'S THE BUILT, IT'S THE NATURAL, IT'S THE CHARACTER AND THE ENTIRE ENVIRONMENT.
WELL, LET ME TRY A QUESTION THIS WAY.
IF YOU GO UP TO GO EAST ON ATLANTIC, GO NORTH ON 15, 16, 17, 18 STREET, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT PROBABLY 50S FORWARD.
WHEREAS IF I GO DOWN, I'M I'M GOING TO PICK ON THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH.
A LOT OF THOSE LITTLE COTTAGES WERE THERE, PROBABLY SOME OF THEM AT LEAST PRE WORLD WAR TWO.
SO THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MAY BE DIFFERENT.
THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE OWNERS MAY BE DIFFERENT, SO ON.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO JUST KEEP IN MIND, IF WE START PUTTING SOME GUIDES DOWN, YOU MAY YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THE ARCHITECTS TO BUY IN AND SAY, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN DO YOUR YOU WANT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE? I CAN DO IT SIX DIFFERENT WAYS.
HERE'S ONE THAT FITS CLOSEST TO THAT, THAT GUIDE.
AND IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE TOO PETE THAT WHEN WHEN THOSE GUIDELINES AND THAT INFORMATION IS OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME OF THE NEW PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN ANYTHING AND THEY YOU KNOW THE MORE INFORMATION THE BETTER.
SO RATHER THAN TEAR THIS DOWN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL JUST DO SOME SENSITIVE ADDITIONS TO IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO US JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING OUT THERE.
BECAUSE OF FLORIDA STATE LAWS AND DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONAL RESTRICTIONS, WE CAN'T PRESCRIBE EVERYTHING, BUT WE CAN AT LEAST MAKE THE ATTEMPT TO PUT THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. GOOD POINT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THEY CAN DEFINE THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE VOCABULARY TO SAY THIS IS THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S NOT IN IT.
OKAY, LET'S I DON'T WANT TO KEEP US HERE ALL DAY.
SO WHAT IS OUR GOAL? ARLENE? TAMMY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET WITH SAL.
Y'ALL ARE GOING TO SORT OF TRY TO TAKE A SHOT AT A DRAFT.
YEAH. AND COME BACK TO US ALL WITH JUST SOME.
MAYBE SOME BIGGER PICTURE IDEAS.
ALL RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
SURE. WHAT ONE OF YOUR OTHER PRIORITIES THAT YOU WERE GIVEN, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ALL HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING SPACE, ETCETERA.
DID YOU FINISH THAT DISCUSSION? WAS THERE AN OUTCOME OR ARE YOU STILL HAVING IT? NO, WE ACTUALLY MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
I THINK, AT THEIR MAY 16TH MEETING.
OKAY. AND THEY WERE CHANGES TO THE COMP PLAN AND TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO LOOK AT THAT MEETING, THE VIDEO OF THAT MEETING.
OKAY. IT WAS SOME OF IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, SMALL CORRECTIONS, BUT SOME OF THEM WERE SOME SOME PRETTY INTERESTING CHANGES PARTICULARLY.
BUT IT WAS FOCUSED REALLY ON THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS.
KEY POINT. THAT'S THE KEY POINT.
OKAY. IT'S NOT NEW AT THIS POINT, BUT IT IS THE EXISTING SHOPPING CENTERS IN THERE.
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IF YOU GO DOWN TO WHERE MISS CAROLYN'S IS, SEE YOU GOT YOU GOT 5000FT² OF ASPHALT THAT DOESN'T GET USED.THE QUESTION IS, WHAT CAN YOU DO DIFFERENT TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THAT ONE? TREES OR WHATEVER.
SO PERMEABLE, PERMEABLE VERSUS IMPERMEABLE STORMWATER THAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW ARE NOT WHAT WE VALUE.
AND WE INSTINCTIVELY KNOW THAT.
SO IT OFFERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BETTER USE OF SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
KIND OF HAND IN GLOVE. YEAH, THEY ARE.
SO WE GOT TO THINK OF THAT ON A GLOBAL BASIS.
IS YOUR DISCUSSION GOING TO BRING IN TO PAY FOR PARKING AT ALL, DO YOU THINK, OR IS THAT OFF THE TABLE? NO, NOTHING'S OFF THE TABLE.
WE HAVE A BLANK SLATE TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER, WHETHER IT'S A YES OR A NO.
WHO KNOWS? BUT I MEAN, ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS PROBABLY HERESY.
BUT IF YOU HAD ON STREET PARKING, PAID FOR PARKING GARAGE SOMEWHERE REMOTE, FREE, AND THEN YOU OFFER THE LOGISTICAL PROCESS TO GET DOWNTOWN SO YOU DISSUADE THE PEOPLE FROM THE PAID PARKING TO GO INTO THE FREE GARAGE PARKING OR WHATEVER, OR YOU DO A JOINT SEEING.
SO ANYWAY, IT'S GOING TO WORK.
PARDON? IT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO WORK.
YEAH. IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S IT.
THAT'S, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE.
YOU CAN TAKE A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AND TRY TO KNOCK THINGS DOWN OR PUT THREE STORY PARKING GARAGES, YOU KNOW, IN THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN. IT RUINS ALL THE FLAVOR OF THE DOWNTOWN.
I MEAN, IT'S WELLS THAT COME OFF.
SO ANYWAY, BUT YOU COULD YOU COULD AGREE THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY SOME PRESSING ISSUES THAT THAT THAT THAT NOT JUST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT THE CITY IS REALLY FACED WITH IN THE FUTURE AS IT RELATES TO PARKING, AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION THAT AND THE HCC.
IT'S IT'S ALSO AS INTERESTED IN THOSE ISSUES.
GOOD. WELL AND IT'S IT'S IT HELPS US IT MAKES US FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAT.
YOU ALL ARE JUST AS CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WE ARE.
WE HAVE A TOWN HALL AT AT THE YMCA THAT I CONDUCTED.
AND THERE IS THE MAJORITY OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE.
SO LET'S CREATE LET'S LET'S GET A PROMOTION.
SO BY THE PASS, YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE OVER 55 CROWD OUT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD LITTLE, YOU KNOW, BUY IN PIECE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, BUY IN.
YOU SOLVED ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. JUST MAKE IT LOOK ARCHITECTURALLY PRETTY.
OF COURSE. I THINK YOU GO ALL RIGHT.
WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT? FOR A MILLION DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE A DIFFERENT VISION.
HE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE SOUTH END.
[01:25:01]
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO I THINK WE GOT A PLAN ON HOW TO ADDRESS OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESERVATION PLAN OR WHATEVER WE CALL IT.WE'LL GET ON THAT CONTINUATION OF JOINT MEETINGS.
[4.3 CONTINUATION OF JOINT MEETINGS]
I FELT THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL.ANY TIME TO CITY PUBLIC BOARDS CAN GET TOGETHER TO GET TO UNDERSTAND, AS I THINK RICHARD WAS SAYING, THE DNA THAT MAKES THIS UP IS ALWAYS GOOD.
AND I THINK THE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, THE THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL SEE, THE THINGS THAT WE SEE, HAVING THOSE CROSS POLLINATION CONVERSATIONS IS IS EXCELLENT. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S EVERY THREE MONTHS.
AND WE ALSO GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE COUNTY.
SO I THINK TOGETHER MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STRENGTH LIES IN NUMBERS.
SO I THINK TOGETHER WE'VE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME DECISIONS, I THINK, MADE CERTAINLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR OR SO THAT COULD INFLUENCE THE LONG RANGE PLAN OF WHAT THIS WHAT AMELIA ISLAND IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR SURE.
AND MAYBE THINGS OFF OFF ISLAND THAT WILL BE PROTECTED.
SO TO CLARIFY SUNSHINE LAWS, IF IF I RUN INTO RICHARD OR PETER OR VICTORIA OR SOMEBODY, WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND WE CAN SWAP INFORMATION. AND IF I HAVE AN ARTICLE, CAN I SEND DIRECTLY TO THEM AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ON AN AGENDA? IS THAT HOW THAT IS? OR DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO GO TO YOU AND THEN CAN BE DISTRIBUTED? I WOULD SAY IF I THINK IF TAMMY WERE HERE, SHE'D SAY THE BEST THING IS ALWAYS TO SEND EVERYTHING TO ME AND I'LL DISTRIBUTE IT OUT.
OKAY? BECAUSE THEN ONE MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAS INFORMATION THE REST OF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE ALL AGREE THAT CONTINUING THESE JOINT MEETINGS IS A GOOD IDEA.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF A TIMELINE AT THIS POINT.
THAT CAN BE SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS OR ADD TO AS WE GO FORWARD.
WE COULD BE A FUNCTION OF WHEN WE GET THAT DONE.
I'M THINKING THAT IF WE CAN GET THIS DOCUMENT DONE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND AND SCHEDULE A JOINT MEETING AGAIN, THEN TO REVIEW THAT AND THEN IF SOMETHING COMES OUT OF THAT, THAT, THAT MANDATES SORT OF SCHEDULED MEETINGS TOGETHER, WE CAN DO IT THEN I THINK WE'RE AGREEABLE TO THAT.
YES. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE WE MAY WANT A WORKSHOP.
JUST. KIND OF WORK ON EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK THAT DOCUMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE DO LIKE WORKSHOPS, DON'T WE? YEAH, WE DO. OKAY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT EITHER SIDE WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD?
[5. OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS]
NO, I'LL BRING UP.I WANT TO BRING ONE UP. RIVERSTONE.
ALL RIGHT. BUT LET'S LET'S KEEP THIS FOCUSED.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WE ARE THE PAB.
NO, I JUST THINK IT BRINGS UP SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FURTHER CONSIDER.
THINGS CAN HAPPEN. THINGS CAN CHANGE.
AND WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT ON ISLAND UNDER THE AREAS THAT WE DO CONTROL WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, I THINK WE'RE OKAY, BUT WE SEEM TO BE IN A HABIT OF HAVING TO REACT TO THINGS AS OPPOSED TO STRATEGICALLY GETTING AHEAD OF THE PROBLEM.
AND WE ALSO HAVE THE TRINGALI PROPERTIES THAT WILL COME UP FOR WHAT, 16TH OF MAY? YEP. OKAY.
AND THAT IN ITSELF, I MEAN THAT'S IT CAN BE A YAY OR NAY.
SO AGAIN, MAYBE WHAT HAPPENS THERE MAY NOT IN ITSELF BE A BIG ISSUE, BUT IT COULD BE THE NEXT SET OF PROPERTIES THAT GO UP FOR SALE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
[6. PUBLIC COMMENT]
MARGARET, PLEASE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.[01:30:03]
I THINK THE MIC IS ON.IF YOU WOULD, GIVE US A YOU JUST WANT TO HAND US SOMETHING.
I'M REPRESENTING CONSERVE NASSAU.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS VERY WE KNOW FROM LOTS OF DATA THE DATA FROM THE EHR PROCESS IN 2019.
WE KNOW FROM THE RESEARCH DONE ON THE VISION PLAN, WE KNOW FROM THE RESEARCH DONE BY GIL AND HIS CREW ON THE TOURISTS THAT EVERYBODY IS ATTRACTED HERE BECAUSE OF THE CHARACTER OF FERNANDINA BEACH.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS I KNOW FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, DOING BOOTHS AND SO ON WITH RESIDENTS AT THE FARMERS MARKET AND TOURISTS AT THE FARMERS MARKET AS WELL, THAT THAT CHARACTER IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE THAT AND SECURE THAT IS IMPORTANT.
AND IT'S NOT JUST IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY OR WE LIKE IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT AS A FOUNDATION OF THE ECONOMY OF THE CITY, THE ECONOMY OF THE ISLAND, THE ECONOMY OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
AND SO I THINK IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M VERY MUCH INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY AND SO ON.
BUT I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.
I'M TALKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.
OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY BE IN THIS SPOT IN TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER.
I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY AND OUR SOCIAL SUSTAINABILITY.
AND WE I'VE HEARD DISCUSSION HERE TODAY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS, DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND SO ON, AND WE DO NEED TO PULL PEOPLE TOGETHER TO GIVE PEOPLE THE LANGUAGE TO USE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE THINGS SO THAT WE HAVE MORE COHESION.
IT'S QUITE A CHALLENGE NOWADAYS, BUT WE NEED TO DO IT ANYWAY.
SO I'M GOING TO PASS AROUND STUFF AS I DO.
SOME OF THESE ARE THE SAME AS THINGS YOU HAVE SAID A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUS ON SORT OF THE PHYSICAL SUSTAINABILITY DEALING WITH SEA LEVEL RISE, FLOODING AND SO ON.
WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
THESE ARE THE SAME THINGS. THE SECOND THING I'M GOING TO TOSS AROUND IS THE INPUT THAT THAT WE GAVE TO THE BABY.
AND THOSE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE THIS IN EMAIL FORM OF ONE OF THOSE BAD PEOPLE WHO, INSTEAD OF JUST SENDING IT TO THE CHAIR OR THE STAFF, PLEASE, I SEND IT TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON.
THE VALUE WILL BE ON MY LIST OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON TO RECEIVE A JOB.
SO BUT THIS IS AN INPUT ON THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT, THE THINGS THAT OUR THOUGHTS IN REGARD TO SOME OF THE ISSUES UNDER CONSIDERATION.
SO YOU CAN AS YOU WATCH THE SESSION, YOU CAN COMPARE THAT.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE EFFORT AND TIME THAT YOU ARE DEVOTING TO THE VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US WHO CARE ABOUT THE CITY AND CARE ABOUT THE ISLANDS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME ON THIS.
ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? MR. ROSS? THIS IS WHERE I GET IN TROUBLE.
SO I VIEW YOU ALL AS INFLUENCERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND SPENT MOST OF THE TIME TALKING ABOUT PLANS.
BUT WE GOT PLANS. WE GOT LOTS OF PLANS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IS THE WILL TO ENFORCE THOSE PLANS.
[01:35:05]
BUT WE DON'T HAVE IS THE MONEY TO ENFORCE THOSE PLANS.AND IT ALL COMES DOWN TO A BUDGET.
AND A BUDGET IS YOUR PRIORITIES.
AND EVERY YEAR AND I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT, WE TALKED ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS FIVE TIMES NOW.
I STILL REMEMBER LADY PAID $125 IN CITY TAXES.
COMPLAINING OR TAXING WAS TOO HIGH.
YOU COMING UP WITH ANOTHER PLAN? WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER PLAN.
WE NEED TO FUND WHAT'S GOING ON OUT HERE.
IT'S FALLING APART. THIS BUILDING'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
IT'S FALLING APART, BUT NOBODY DEMANDS THAT WE PAY THE MONEY TO DO THAT.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I VIEW IT.
AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS.
I'VE GOT ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE DON'T EXECUTE IT IS WE DON'T PUT THE MONEY INTO IT.
AND SO YOU ARE THE ADULT SUPERVISION OF THE COMMUNITY.
YOU NEED TO SHOW UP AT THESE BUDGET HEARINGS AND SAY WHAT IS YOU BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE DATE OF WHEN WE NEED TO BE THERE? YEAH, IT WAS A SCHEDULE ASSIGNMENTS.
YOU NEED TO START RIGHT NOW TALKING TO TWO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT ABOUT I MEAN.
AT LEAST THREE CITY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE.
WITH THE ROLLBACK RATE MEANS IS YOU HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'VE HAD THIS YEAR, LAST YEAR'S THIS YEAR, PLUS A LITTLE BIT FOR GROWTH. LAST YEAR THAT GROWTH BUMP WAS $300,000 BUCKS.
YOU NEED TO SAY HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO FUND AND YOU NEED TO START THAT NOW.
WE NEED THAT LITANY OF WE NEED TO FUND WHATEVER YOU THINK IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK PRESERVING THIS BUILDING IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK REDOING FRONT STREET, FRONT CENTER STREET, THANK YOU IS IMPORTANT.
THREE MINUTE, WHAT I USED TO CALL THE THREE MINUTE RANT.
NOBODY GETS UP AND TALKS ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
THEY TALK ABOUT CUTTING TAXES OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT AND THERE IS A CHARACTER HERE, BUT THAT CHARACTER MAINTAIN IT COSTS MONEY AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN MY VIEW.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE DISCUSSED? ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS A THANK YOU TO SAL FOR THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE DID SEND US, BECAUSE IN MY MIND, HE SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS FIGURED OUT A WAY TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
AND THAT MAY BE WHERE THE CROSS POLLINATION BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS ARE.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT CHARLESTON HAD DONE.
AND I WILL TELL YOU ONE OTHER QUICK STORY.
SAVANNAH'S GOT A NEW THING THAT DAPHNE CAN EVEN TALK ABOUT.
NOW YOU LOOK AT COULD IT BE DONE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO HELP ELIMINATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC LOAD THAT WE HAVE? AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE ANOTHER TEAM IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, AGAIN, THIS MEETING ON MAY 17TH, OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, YOU GUYS WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL AND THE PAB AND THE REALLY THE SUBJECT MATTER IS GOING TO BE THE CHANGES TO THE VARIANCE PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALL REFRESH OUR OURSELVES WITH THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH
[01:40:11]
THE VARIANCE BECAUSE WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT IT, A VARIANCE GIVES OUR NEIGHBOR A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE AND WE NEED TO THINK VERY SERIOUSLY AND VERY CAREFULLY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE COMFORTABLE GIVING THAT UP AS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE BOA.AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AGAIN, ALL OF US NEED TO LOOK AT THE RULES AND WE NEED TO THOUGHTFULLY THINK ABOUT THAT AS WE ENTER INTO THAT MEETING.
I THINK THAT'S A AND AS IT RELATES TO THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS THIS CONTINUITY OF COMMUNITY.
AND ONCE THAT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO.
SO BE BE BE DOING YOUR RESEARCH SO THAT WE ARE ALL ABLE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL AT THAT MEETING ON THE 17TH. ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NO OTHER CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD CALL US ADJOURNED.
TAYLOR, THANK YOU. SHE WANTS TO GIVE IT TO HER.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.