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WE'RE READY TO GO. IN THAT CASE, WE WILL OFFICIALLY CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
WE WILL ROLL. CALL FOR US.IT'S RIGHT THERE. IN THE MEANTIME.
STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY. EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE MINUTES.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
ANYBODY HAVE ANY IRREGULARITIES ON IT OR ANYTHING TO ADD FROM THE LAST MEETING? OH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 8TH.WE'LL APPROVE THOSE MINUTES DOWN TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
[5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]
THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES. HELLO, I'M STEVE SHERMAN, 95035 WOODBURY LANE.MOST OF YOU KNOW ME AT THIS POINT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE SOME BRIEF STATEMENTS HERE.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE SITUATION WITH THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS HAS GOTTEN WORSE.
WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE PLANES HERE.
AND WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE EVEN THAN WE DID A FEW MONTHS AGO.
AND I'M ALSO HERE JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE AIRPORT MANAGER SITUATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED LATER ON.
BUT NATHAN WAS VERY HELPFUL TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME ALTERNATIVES TO THE SITUATION.
I'M SORRY TO SEE HIM LEAVE, BUT HOPEFULLY THE THE CITY WILL SEE FIT TO TRY AND EXPEDITE GETTING AN AIRPORT MANAGER FOR THIS AND OTHER REASONS.
AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT WHAT'S GOING TO BE SAID TODAY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THE AIRPORT NEEDS SOMEONE IN THERE TO TRY AND HELP IN THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SITUATION AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME SOMETHING WE CAN COME UP WITH TO KIND OF HELP WITH THIS PILOT SCHOOL SITUATION.
AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE GET IN THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM. THE OTHER THING IS I'M NOT GOING TO RAISE IT AGAIN.
BUT I THINK THAT THE AIRPORT MONITORING SYSTEM THAT I SUGGESTED BEFORE, WHERE THE CITY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE UPWARDS OF $90,000 A YEAR IN REVENUE FROM THAT IS STILL A GOOD ALTERNATIVE AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER IT AGAIN, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO INDICATE THAT I THINK IT'S STILL A GOOD ALTERNATIVE TO THE PILOT SCHOOL SITUATION, AND IT WOULD HELP THE CITY AND WOULD HELP THE RESIDENTS AROUND THE AIRPORT.
THE MANAGER'S COMMENT ABOUT THE HIRING RIGHT NOW.
GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON NON AGENDA ITEMS. BRIAN ECKERT, 680 AIRPORT ROAD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
MOST OF YOU GUYS KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NATHAN COLE AND THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER SINCE LAST JUNE ON ON THE HANGAR SITUATION FOR THE SOCCER FIELDS. I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, WHERE WE BROUGHT THE SITE PLANS TO YOU GUYS.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE EASTSIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE.
AND AT THAT TIME I WAS TOLD TO HOLD OFF ON THE APPLICATIONS UNTIL WE HAD THOSE MEETINGS.
SO SO THE STATEMENT THAT THAT THE CITY PUT OUT TODAY IS ACCURATE.
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THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THE CITY LEASING THE SOCCER FIELDS FROM THE AIRPORT.SO IF THEY REALLY ARE GOING TO PUT $400,000 IN FUNDS INTO THE AIRPORT FUND EVERY YEAR AND NOT TRY TO TAKE IT BACK AS A MANAGEMENT FEE, WHICH HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AND WE'LL AMEND OUR PLAN TO TO LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE AGAIN.
IT'S TRULY A LEASE THAT'S GOING TO HELP BENEFIT THE AIRPORT.
AND THEN ME AND MY PARTNER ARE WILLING TO TO LOOK AT THE EAST SIDE AND WE'LL TALK TO THE CITY.
AND AND WE DO HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED TO TALK WITH THE CITY NEXT WEEK.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THE SITUATION.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO CALL ME.
THANKS. THANK YOU. BRIAN. THANK YOU.
ANYBODY ELSE? HI, MY NAME IS KEVIN ALLEN.
I'M A CONSUMER OF AIRPORT HANGERS.
CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS, TOO, PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY. SURE. I'M 1627 CLINCH DRIVE, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WE OWN ON THE ISLAND.
I ACTUALLY SPOKE TO ROB A WHILE BACK.
I SAW AN ARTICLE IN THE NEWSLETTER LAST WEEK ABOUT THE THE THE RELUCTANCE TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL HANGARS.
THE FIRST I WAS MADE AWARE WAS ACTUALLY THE ARTICLE IN THE NEWSLETTER ABOUT USING THE SOCCER FIELDS.
AND THERE'S ABOUT 80 PLUS PEOPLE THAT ALSO WILL PROBABLY BE WAITING A GOOD FIVE YEARS FOR A HANGAR.
SO TO ME, CLEARLY THERE'S A DEMAND AND IT BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT.
THE ARTICLE IN THE NEWS-LEADER VOICES OF THE OPINION LAST WEEK THAT STATED THAT THIS WOULDN'T BE USED BY LOCAL RESIDENTS. I MEAN, WHY DO YOU RENT A HANGAR IF YOU'RE NOT KEEPING A PLANE HERE? CLEARLY THERE'S A WAITING LIST FOR THAT.
SO I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF BUILDING HANGARS.
I'VE GOT MINE, THANK GOODNESS.
AND THEY'LL TRY THAT OUT OF MY COLD, DEAD HANDS AS LONG AS I'M ABLE TO FLY.
RIGHT. SO THRILLED THAT IT WORKED OUT FOR ME.
BUT I ALSO CAN'T IMAGINE THE FOLKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY WAITING HOW THEY MUST FEEL.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A DEMAND.
I HATE TO SEE OUR YOUTH ACTIVITIES BE INFRINGED UPON, BUT THE TRUTH IS, IT'S AIRPORT PROPERTY.
I'M READING THIS NOW FOR THE FIRST TIME.
BUT I WONDER HAVE WE CONSIDERED USE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, THE CLOSED RUNWAY? AND IF SO, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME REASONS NOT, BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT THAT BE REVISITED.
AND IF WE'RE ABLE TO USE SOME OF THAT SPACE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE FIELD, MAYBE IT'S AS SIMPLE AS JUST CUTTING AN ENTRANCE, A GATED ENTRANCE THROUGH THE SOCCER FIELDS TO ACCESS THAT SAFELY WITHOUT INFRINGING ON AIRPORT PROPERTY, AND MAYBE THAT COULD BE ONE POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, KEVIN.
NATE, I THINK THERE ARE SOME REASONS FOR THAT WEST SIDE IN THERE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS UNIQUE. I WAS GOING TO SAY NATE COYLE, 32444 FORD PARKWAY.
YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT ON THE AIRPORT AND YOU LOOK AT THE THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, OBVIOUSLY THE EAST SIDE WAS PRE DEVELOPED WITH UTILITIES AND AN ACCESS ROAD OFF OF JAMESTOWN ROAD AND IT SHOWS.
WITH LIKE SOME DEVELOPMENT THERE.
WHAT DROVE OUR DISCUSSION ON THE SOCCER FIELD AREA WAS KEEPING OUR T-HANGARS TOGETHER, THE FUEL FARM FACILITIES THERE AND ALLOWING FOR THE LARGER CORPORATE HANGARS TO DEVELOP ON JAMESTOWN ROAD AND NOT HAVE T HANGARS THERE, WHICH THEN WHEN WE RUN OUT OF SPACE THERE, FORCES THE LARGER HANGARS IN ANOTHER LOCATION.
THE REASON THE WEST SIDE HASN'T BEEN ATTRACTIVE FOR HANGAR DEVELOPMENT IS UTILITY PERSPECTIVE.
SO ONE, YOU LIKELY HAVE TO REJUVENATE PAVEMENT TO PROVIDE A TAXI, A TAXI LANE OR TAXIWAY THERE.
THERE'S ALSO NEW UTILITIES SERVING THAT SECTION OUT THERE.
SO IT'D BE VERY COSTLY TO PUT THAT IN PLACE.
NOW DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN YOU FILL IN THE OTHER CONVENIENT LOCATIONS, YOU MAY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE CITY IS LOOKING TO DEVELOP THAT, PROVIDE UTILITIES, REHABILITATE PAVEMENT AND MAKE THAT AVAILABLE.
IT'D BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT NOW VERSUS THE OTHER LOCATIONS YOU HAVE AVAILABLE.
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YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, NATE.MR. L MAY NOT BE AWARE OF HOW MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE THERE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE AIRPORT COMING IN ON JAMESTOWN ROAD WHERE THERE IS A ROAD IN THERE, THERE'S SEWER, THERE'S WATER, THERE'S POWER IN THERE TOO.
AND THERE'S A TAXIWAY ECHO OVER ON THAT SIDE.
THAT IS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT I REFER TO AS LIKE THE MOSQUITO CONTROL AREA.
YEAH. WHY NOT ALL OF THAT, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHERE PLAN B KIND OF IS.
YES, SIR. THOSE GOOD THINGS? I DON'T. I LOST IT. OKAY.
I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[6.1 Monthly Airport Financial Report]
THE FINANCIAL REPORT.EVERYTHING IS PRINTED ON NOW. YOU SEE ANYTHING? NO. PRETTY MUCH AS STATED ON THE ON THE REPORT AND EVERYTHING'S TRACKING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
BOBBY, WHAT IS THERE ONE OF THESE LINE ITEMS WHERE IT WOULD REFLECT LIKE WHAT KIND OF REVENUE THE AIRPORT MADE FROM THE AMELIA OR ANY OTHER SPECIFIC EVENTS? WE WE HAVE PROBABLY I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ON OUR WE MADE FOR FUEL SALES AND PARKING FEES AND THAT KIND OF THING.
YOU GOT A FUEL CHECK FROM BENT WING RECENTLY FOR LIKE ALMOST 6000.
AND I GOT THE PARKING FEES IN YET.
SO THOSE EVENTS ARE JUST BURIED IN THE EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM.
THAT BRINGS US DOWN TO THE STAFF REPORTS AND THE AIRPORT MANAGER SEARCH UPDATE.
[7.1 Airport Manager Search Update]
ALL RIGHT. WE HAD ABOUT 22 TO 24 APPLICANTS.AND OUT OF THOSE, WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO FOUR.
SO OUT OF THE FOUR, YOU ONLY INTERVIEWED TWO? YES. AND THAT'S IT.
IS WHAT YOU'RE THINKING RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING WE'RE WAITING FOR THEIR NUMBER ONE CHOICE TO GET BACK TO US RIGHT NOW.
IF THEY CHOOSE TO TAKE THE JOB IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO WHEN YOU EXPECT THEM TO START SOMETIME, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THEIR PERSONAL HOW MUCH THE SPOUSES AND THE KIDS AND ALL THAT.
SURE, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE A TWO WEEK NOTICE TO WHERE THEY'RE AT NOW.
SO I'M ANTICIPATING MAYBE END OF MAY, JUNE ISH, YOU KNOW, SO.
COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS OR COMMENTS? I HAVE NOTHING. NO.
OKAY. IN THAT CASE, THE NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE IN JUNE, JUNE 8TH.
[9. NEXT MEETING DATE]
JUNE 8TH. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER MANAGER UPDATES IF YOU READY FOR THAT.[8. COMMISSION MEMBER REPORTS/COMMENTS]
OKAY. GO AHEAD.WE SUBMITTED THE DESIGN APPLICATION FOR TAXIWAY ALPHA, SO THAT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
MAYBE SO. NO, ACROSS FROM HANGAR ONE.
MUST HAVE IT DONE BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
TWO ON THAT WE GOT TO START WE STARTED GETTING STEEL ARRIVING FOR BENT WINGS JOINT ADVENTURE FOR THEIR HANGARS ACROSS FROM HANGAR B, THE DOOR, THE DOORS ARRIVED.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE WAITING FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY FOR STEEL OR STEEL TO ARRIVE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IT OVER THERE WEST OF TAXIWAY DELTA.
SO YOU CAN START SEEING SOME ACTION THERE VERY SOON, AS SOON AS THEY GET ALL THE PERMITS.
BUT THE MATERIALS ARE STARTING TO ARRIVE NOW.
SO HOW ABOUT THAT LITTLE BUILDING YOU'RE REHABBING NEXT TO THE WE WE DEMOLITION IT.
FINALLY. THAT WAS DONE ON MONDAY.
SO THE NEXT PHASE IS WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR QUOTES FOR THE ROOF.
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OKAY. THAT'S GOOD QUESTION.WITH CONSIDERING ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AROUND THE THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT, IS THERE ANY KIND OF ACTION OR OR SOME KIND OF STATEMENT TO BE MADE BY US REGARDING WHERE THINGS ARE AT RIGHT NOW? WELL, I MEAN, WE'LL WAIT.
WE COULD GIVE OUR $0.02 TO THE COMMISSION CITY COMMISSION ON THAT. ABOUT THE PLAN.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SAID WHY WE LIKE THE CONCEPT, THE CONCEPT ONE BETTER.
BECAUSE OF LOCATION, LOCATION OF THE FUEL FARM, PEOPLE NOT HAVING TO CROSS RUNWAYS, MULTIPLE RUNWAYS MULTIPLE TIMES TO GET FUEL OR THE FUEL OR FUEL TRUCKS.
SAME THING. NOT HAVING TO CROSS ACTIVE RUNWAYS TO TO GO FUEL SOMEBODY AND CONVENIENCE OF THE LOCATION.
THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T SEEM TO LIKE IT.
I MEAN, THE SOCCER FIELDS WERE STAYING.
IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SOCCER FIELDS WERE STAYING AND IMPROVING AND WE WERE LOSING TWO BASEBALL FIELDS TO DO THAT PROJECT AND THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO KICK IN THE LEASE MONEY AND THE CITY WAS GOING TO IMPROVE IT.
IT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT THAT SEEMS TO HAVE HAVE FIZZLED.
YEAH. SO I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO THERE'S TEN ACRES FOR SOCCER AND TEN ACRES FOR THE SOFTBALL FIELDS.
SO THERE'S 210 ACRE PARCELS BACK THERE.
OKAY. AND I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT JUST ON THAT SAME SUBJECT, WITH THE STUFF GOING ON WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, THE FAA IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED.
I'VE WATCHED SOME OF THAT INTERACTION ON ONLINE WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION TALKS ABOUT IT.
AND THERE WAS THIS IS JUST MY PERCEPTION OF IT THAT, LIKE GET THE IDEA THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION THOUGHT IF THEY GOT IN LINE FIRST, THEY WOULD HAVE LIKE DIBS ON GETTING THE FAA APPROVAL.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S EXACTLY HOW THE FAA WORKS.
AND PART OF THIS WHOLE IDEA IS GOING TO HINGE UPON WHAT THE FAA SAYS IS THEIR APPROVAL OF PROPERTY.
NOW, THAT'S CONSIDERED DESIGNATED IN THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN.
THE MASTER PLAN IS AERONAUTICAL FOR PRIMARILY FOR AERONAUTICAL USE.
DO THE AIRPORT STAFF OR ANY OF THE OTHER AAC MEMBERS THINK THAT WE SHOULD IF THERE'S A NEED FOR US TO HAVE A MEETING IN MAY, ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON, INSTEAD OF WAITING TILL OUR USUAL TWO MONTH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEETINGS AND NOT MEETING UNTIL JUNE.
DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE OF WHEN EITHER STAFF OR CITY COMMISSION MIGHT BE? YEAH. NOW WE'RE WAITING FOR THE MARKET.
A FAIR MARKET APPRAISAL NOW THROUGH THE COMMISSION THAT'S WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT.
AND THEN I GUESS THAT'LL BE THE FIRST STEP.
CHIP, DO YOU ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT? ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT? DO YOU HESITATE? I ALSO LIKE, WELL, CHIPS COMING UP.
ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME, TOO, IS THE FA'S VIEWPOINT ON THE WHOLE, NOT NECESSARILY THE LEASE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THE IDEA OF SOME KIND OF MANAGEMENT FEE TO TO WASH THE COST.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THAT WOULD NEGATE FAIR MARKET VALUE, IF YOU WOULD.
SO YOU GOING TO PAY 400,000? GO? OH, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT A MANAGEMENT FEE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT READING THIS BLURB HERE.
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I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT I SAY.I GET INTO TROUBLE WITH IN MY QUESTION.
OR WAS IT? I THINK IT WAS BOBBY'S.
BOBBY'S QUESTION? YEAH. OH, THE APPRAISAL.
YEAH, THEY'RE WAITING ON AN APPRAISAL, BUT APPRAISAL IS GOING TO COME BACK IN ABOUT $200,000 FOR.
I MEAN, WE ONLY GOT ONE APPRAISAL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TERRIBLY DIFFERENT.
RIGHT. UM, THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHO'S GOING TO PAY THIS $400,000, RIGHT.
THAT'S THE QUESTION. DO THE CITY TAXPAYERS ENDORSE IT? WELL, YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM.
IT'S A LITTLE OBSCURE, BUT THEY BASICALLY INDICATED THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO PAY $200,000, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT FOR 20 YEARS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF PLAN TO WHERE THIS IS GOING TO EVENTUALLY GO ANYHOW, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THE AIRPORT'S EXPANDING AND THAT IT'S AIRPORT OBLIGATED LAND AND AVIATION.
WHETHER THE FAA WILL APPROVE SOCCER FIELDS OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT FAVORABLE TO THE SOCCER FIELDS BEING WHERE THEY ARE.
THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO TAKE SOCCER FIELD AND PUSH IT OVER TO WHERE THE SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE.
THAT ALL KIND OF CRUISED ALONG UNTIL THE MAYOR DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO KEEP BOTH.
AND THE NUMBER OF OTHER COMMISSIONERS WENT ALONG WITH THAT.
BUT THE REAL QUESTION IN THIS WHOLE THING IS WHO'S GOING TO PAY THE $400,000 AND WILL THE FAA GO AND WILL THE FAA GO FOR IT? YEAH. SO I HAD A QUESTION TO COMMISSIONER WITH DO WE KNOW THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN CITY AND COUNTY CHILDREN PLAYING ON THAT THOSE FIELDS? WE DO. THERE ARE 100% COUNTY KIDS BECAUSE EVERY KID LIVES IN NASSAU COUNTY.
OKAY. AND I SAW ONE THING SOMEWHERE THAT IT'S 65% COUNTY.
IT'S, I ALWAYS SAY, IT'S ABOUT HALF AND HALF, BUT IT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE A LITTLE LESS.
IT DEPENDS ON A LOT OF THINGS.
IT IS OVER 700 OVER 700 KIDS PLAN.
SO YEAH, I THINK THIS PROBLEM I POINTED THIS PROBLEM OUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO WE'VE SORT OF IT'S LIKE MANY THINGS THAT ARE DONE IN THIS CITY AND AND NOT JUST THIS GOVERNMENT, BUT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS KIND OF KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND HOPE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WELL, IT HAPPENED.
I THINK ONE OF MY MAIN QUESTIONS WAS IN YOUR I KNOW IT'S HARD TO MAKE A JUDGMENT OR A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A NEED FOR US TO HAVE A MEETING IN MAY, ANYTHING THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON OR WELL, YOU'RE OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE IS MEET AGAIN IN JUNE.
I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL BUT IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT AREA SHOULD BE FOR HANGARS AND NOT FOR SOCCER FIELDS.
WE'LL MAKE WE'LL SEND SOME EMAILS OUT IN HALF.
ONE, IF IT COMES TO THAT, DEPENDS WHAT'S GOING ON ON THEIR END.
THERE'S REALLY NO FINITE TIME OR ANY IDEA OF WHEN THE CITY WOULD GO TO THE FAA BECAUSE THAT'S STILL AN UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. RIGHT. WOULD THAT GO THROUGH THE I GUESS IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE AIRPORT, RIGHT? I HAVE, YEAH.
AND I WILL BE SPEAKING WITH MR. WELL, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT SOMEBODY WHO'S A DEVELOPER AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, HOW HARD THEY'RE PUSHING TO DO SOMETHING.
I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW AN ANSWER WHERE THEY WHICH WAY IS THE CITY GOING TO GO? I THINK IT WHAT? MR. ECKERT? KIND OF, YEAH.
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SO NOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP WHERE THOSE SOCCER FIELDS ARE.I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY IF YOU DO THAT AT SOME POINT, THAT'S THE NEXT PERSON'S GOING TO COME ALONG.
WANT TO DO THAT KIND OF LIKE TWO COMMENTS OR THAT MIGHT TURN INTO QUESTIONS.
SURE. THE, AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF HERE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WITH THE STATE OF WHERE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB LOOKING AFTER THE CONCERNS OF THE ATHLETIC THE CHILDREN IN IN ATHLETICS, WHICH I APPROVE OF.
AND WE ARE READY TO ENTERTAIN A DIFFERENT PLAN FROM MR. ECKERT TALKING TO HIM.
AND SO IN PLAN B GETS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY KIND OF HANGARS FOR THE AIRPORT.
AND SO THEN I HAVE TO STEP BACK AND GO, ALL RIGHT, WELL, WHO IS WHO IS CHAMPION, THE CHAMPION FOR THE NEEDS OF THE AIRPORT AND THE DEMAND FOR HANGARS AND THE LOSS OF REVENUE FOR HANGAR RENTAL, THE LOSS OF FUEL SURCHARGES, ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I THINK WHEN WE LAST LEFT THIS, WE THOUGHT THE OUR MOTION WAS, HEY, LET'S EVERYBODY SIT DOWN AND AND WORK SOMETHING OUT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.
AND OUT OF THREE, I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE OF THEM AND MAYBE TWO WORKED OUT.
IT'LL TAKE US X NUMBER OF YEARS TO USING FUNDS FROM THE DOT FDOT AND FROM THE FAA AND AS WELL AS FUNDS, AIRPORT FUNDS TO ACTUALLY BUILD HANGARS.
AND THEY MIGHT ROLL OUT HALF A DOZEN AT A TIME OVER THE COURSE OF SEVERAL YEARS.
AND SO THAT TO ME, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK HARD AT ACTUALLY.
I THINK WE'RE DOING A LOUSY THING FOR KIDS.
BECAUSE WHAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
THIS IS JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD A NUMBER OF MORE YEARS.
AND WHAT THE COUNTY IS, AT LEAST THEY'RE CURRENTLY REQUESTING, MY UNDERSTANDING, HEARD THROUGH THROUGH TWO OTHER FILTERS IS THAT THEY WANT A PERMANENT SOLUTION, THAT THEY'RE UNWILLING TO PUT TWO, THREE, HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR.
AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT IN PERPETUITY, THAT THEY WANT A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
YOU ALL HAVE ANY UPCOMING SESSIONS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY THAT INVOLVE THIS THIS ISSUE.
THAT'S WHAT TO BE DETERMINED TO BE DETERMINED.
WELL, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY MOVING THOSE FACILITIES OFF ISLAND SO THAT THE AIRPORT'S NOT EVEN AN ISSUE ANYMORE? YEAH, BUT YES, I MEAN, IF IT'S IT'S OVER IN THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY I MEAN.
AND THAT THE ANSWER IS ANYTHING BUT ZERO.
YOU. BE WRONG. SO IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION.
I MEAN, THIS IS A BARRIER ISLAND.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE WHOLE PARKING THING THAT'S GOING ON AT THE MOMENT.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH LAND AND EVERYBODY HAS WANTS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
AND SO I THOUGHT A REASONABLE COMPROMISE WAS TO TAKE THE SOCCER FIELDS, PUSH THEM OVER TO THE WHERE THE SOFTBALL IS, TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME MORE SOFTBALL FIELDS.
AND BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE LEAST DESIRABLE PLACE FOR AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE SOFTBALL FIELDS ARE NOW AND DO IT THAT WAY.
THERE IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT I'LL BRING UP.
AS YOU DO KNOW, WHEN YOU COME IN THERE, THERE'S 20 ACRES OF VACANT PROPERTY THAT COULD BE PURCHASED
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THAT'S OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO DID GREEN ISLAND AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SELL.IT'S JUST THE PRICE THAT KIND OF THAT BALL'S BACK IN YOUR COURT, I THINK, RIGHT.
I'M TRYING TO PUSH THAT BALL A LITTLE BIT.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME ROOM THERE, BUT WASN'T THERE SOME INFERENCE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE LOOKING TO PAY X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, 200,000, 400,000, WHATEVER, BUT THEY WOULD PREFER GOING OUT AND BUYING A PLOT OF LAND AND STARTING OVER AGAIN.
CORRECT. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
OKAY. LET'S START AT THE BEGINNING.
WE SAY THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND I ALWAYS SAY, WHO IS THE CITY AND WHO IS THE COUNTY? AND WHAT THAT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO IS YOU NEED THREE CITY COMMISSIONER VOTES OR THREE COUNTY COMMISSIONER VOTES.
SO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY ARE REALLY THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT AGAIN, LAND IS LAND IS EXPENSIVE ON AMELIA ISLAND.
WHAT'S THE CRANE ISLAND? PEOPLE WILLING TO SELL THAT FOR SIX, 600, SIX MIL, 600? I WOULD HAVE ALREADY BOUGHT IT.
SURE. I MEAN, THAT'S A WELL, BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
REALITY. THAT'S WHAT LAND COSTS.
I MEAN WHAT A WILLING BUYER IS WILLING SELLER.
AND I DON'T MEAN THEY BOUGHT IT.
THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY AN UNATTAINABLE CHOICE BECAUSE INSTEAD OF PUTTING DOWN $400,000 ON A LEASE, WHICH YOU GET NO RETURN FROM, I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK.
IT WOULD SEEM LIKE YOU COULD USE THAT 400 OR MAYBE JUST 300 OR 200 TO ON A LOAN.
YEAH, WELL, I JUST DID A LOAN ON $6 MILLION BECAUSE I WAS SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A PARKING GARAGE.
SO I CRANKED THE NUMBERS ON A $6 MILLION GARAGE, 15 YEARS AT 6%.
THE PENNY ON THAT IS $507,000.
BUT THEN YOU OWN IT, AND THERE'S NOTHING PAST THAT.
AGAIN, YOU NEED THREE CITY COMMISSION VOTES OR THREE COUNTY COMMISSIONER VOTES.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON FAA APPROVAL? YEAH, FAA APPROVAL NOW.
YEAH. WELL, THERE'S 20 ACRES THERE, BUT 60 PORTION OF THAT COULD BE USED FOR HOUSING, WHICH CREATES ANOTHER UPROAR IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO BUT IT'S ALREADY ZONED THAT WAY.
I MEAN, OF THAT LAND, 15 ACRES IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL WHICH COULD BE USED FOR FOR RECREATION AND SIX IS ZONED MU ONE. SO IT COULD BE YOU COULD PUT UP TO 11 TRIPLEXES ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO ARE WE AT A COMMISSION COLLEGE? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? DO WE WANT TO MAKE A.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT SENSE OF THE ARC.
ABOUT USE OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WE PREFER THE AREA WHERE THE SOCCER FIELDS AND THE NOT PREFER.
THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD. WE BELIEVE THE CORRECT USE OF THAT PROPERTY IS AERONAUTICAL USE.
WE'RE NOT GOOD. I THINK WE DID THAT A WHILE AGO, BUT NOT THAT THAT'S GOING TO SWAY THE CITY COMMISSION TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT, BUT AT LEAST BE OUR THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT NOW, BEFORE THEY DELIBERATE, MAKE ANY DECISIONS THAT THE ACS PUT IT IN THE MINUTES OR WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE IN TO SAY THAT WE BELIEVE THAT'S THE CORRECT AND BEST USE OF THAT PROPERTY, BOTH FOR HOW IT'S DESIGNATED ON ALL THE PLANS AND IN THE BEST FINANCIAL INTEREST OF THE AIRPORT.
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DID DID WE FEEL LIKE WE DID THAT WHEN WE MADE OUR RECOMMENDATION BEFORE OR WAS THAT NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH OR.I MEAN, I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING.
I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST MOVING THE SOCCER SOCCER FIELD OR SOCCER PARK OVER TO WHERE THE SOFTBALL PARK IS AND THEN MR DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN PREVIOUS MINUTES IN OCTOBER? I DON'T THINK SO.
WE THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION FOR BRIAN'S STUFF ALREADY.
WE DID THAT THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT.
IT WAS KIND OF NOTIONAL AT THAT TIME.
RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE REPEATING.
DID THAT PROPERTY EVER DID THAT PROPERTY EVER GET REZONED FROM OFFICIALLY? NO, I DON'T THINK IT HAS.
THEY WENT TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THEY THEY'VE NOT YET TAKEN ACTION ON IT.
SO THAT'S STILL REFLECTED AS THEY'RE KICKING THE CAN TOO, RIGHT? YES. YEAH.
I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS POINTED OUT THAT IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE RE ZONED.
IT WAS MORE OF A IT WAS MORE OF A DOCUMENTATION THING, IF I REMEMBER IT CORRECTLY.
YOU HAVE A GOOD MEMORY. IT'S ACROSS THAT PROPERTY.
WHEN YOU USE THE WORD REZONE, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REZONED.
THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AND MOST THINGS ARE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THEY SEEM AT FIRST GLANCE.
SO ORIGINALLY THAT WHOLE AREA WAS ZONED SOME VERSION OF AIRPORT INDUSTRIAL.
OKAY. AND THEN ALONG CAME THE BASEBALL FIELD, THE SOFTBALL FIELDS.
AND THAT WAS BACK IN THE EARLY 80S.
AND AT ABOUT THAT SAME TIME, ON WHAT'S CALLED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
A LITTLE GREEN SQUARE APPEARED THAT SAID RECREATION EXACTLY WHERE THE SOFTBALL FIELDS WERE.
WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AND WE MADE A I'M I HAD THE CLERK'S OFFICE MAKE A VERY THOROUGH SEARCH AND WE COULD FIND NO ORDNANCE OR NO CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WENT THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION TO CHANGE THE ZONING ON THAT.
OKAY. ALONG CAME THE 1990S AND THE SOCCER FIELDS APPEARED AND THEN THAT LITTLE GREEN BOX GOT INCREASED TO A BIGGER GREEN BOX TO ACCOMMODATE THE SOCCER FIELDS.
AGAIN, THERE WAS NO ORDINANCE PASSED, NO FUTURE LAND USE MAP CHANGES.
NOTHING WENT TO THE STATE. THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL.
IT JUST SORT OF APPEARED ON THE MAP.
NO ONE'S QUITE SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED.
THAT'S A VERY NICE WAY OF PUTTING IT.
YEAH, THIS IS SORT OF THE AMELIA BLUFF THING AGAIN, WHERE THERE'S DISCORD IN BETWEEN.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I UNDERSTAND. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? DO I HAVE TO COME UP THERE? NO.
BUT SOME PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD KEPT BRINGING UP THE WORD OPTICS.
SO IT WAS OPTICS WERE MAKING EVERYBODY HESITANT TO DO WHAT WE ASK, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE CORRECT THING TO DO BECAUSE OF OPTICS.
SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHERE IT'S STUCK.
WELL, THEY ALSO MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE SHALL BE NO NET LOSS OF RECREATION FACILITIES AND THEN THAT THAT CREATED A MR. BUT THE WAY I WOULD I THINK PROPER A WAY OF INTERPRETING FACILITIES IS THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE LIKE KIND.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT HAS SIX SOCCER FIELDS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP SIX SOCCER FIELDS.
YOU COULD REPLACE IT WITH TEN PICKLEBALL COURTS OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THAT WAS ANOTHER FLY IN THE OINTMENT, SO TO SPEAK.
SO A LOT OF THIS IS THE SINS OF OUR FOREFATHERS.
OKAY, SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CHUCK? OH, THE ZONING QUESTION. YEAH.
NO, I MEAN ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING INTO THE MINUTES THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD IN.
WELL, I THINK WE CAN IN THERE.
I THINK WE CAN STATE THAT THE THAT THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE BEST PLACE
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FOR THE HANGARS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE AIRPORT AS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.WE SAID WHAT WE SAID BEFORE AGAIN.
I MEAN, IS THAT A MOTION YOU THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING IN MAY? WE CAN PUT AS A MOTION.
WELL, I MEAN, WE KIND OF DON'T KNOW IF THERE A MOTION.
TOM MADE A MOTION. I THINK YOU CAN WAIT TILL SOMETHING DEVELOPS AND THEN.
GO AHEAD. WE CAN ALWAYS CALL FOR WRONG.
YEAH, THEY CAN CALL FOR ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAST.
IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A MEETING IN MAY, THEN WE'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
WE'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT AND HAVE ONE IN MAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SIR. IN THAT CASE, WE SHALL OFFICIALLY ADJOURN.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.