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>> BECAUSE WE GOT TO [OVERLAPPING].
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
>> WE ARE GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL AND THEN LEAVE IT OPEN BECAUSE WE THINK MR. O'DONNELL IS GOING TO SHOW UP.
PLEASE GO AHEAD CALL THE ROLL.
>> MEMBER KOSACK AND MEMBER POZZETTA ARE ABSENT.
MR. O'DONNELL IS ABSENT, ALSO.
>> WE'RE EXPECTING MR. O'DONNELL, WE WON'T DO ANY BUSINESS UNTIL HE'S HERE, BUT WE CAN GET OUR PROCESS STARTED SO THAT YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ON HIM SHOWING UP.
IF YOU WOULD STAND WITH ME AND I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU COULD CHECK.
NO, O'DONNELL'S A BIG BOY? I'M SURE HE'S ON HIS WAY. WE'RE GOING TO SEAT FILKOFF RIGHT NOW.
>> OPPOSED. IF YOU'RE NOT FILKOFF IS SEATED WHEN O'DONNELL GETS HERE HE WILL SEAT HIM.
THERE'S NO VARIANCE INCIDENT, WE COULD PROCEED WITH JUST THREE REGARDLESS.
[OVERLAPPING]. THERE'S NO VARIANCES.
BOARD MEMBERS, WE'RE GOING TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.
MR. POYNTER AND I HAVE DECIDE BARRING ABOUT CONTAINER HOTELS.
>> REMIND ME THAT I HAVE O'DONNELL DISCLOSE WHEN HE GETS HERE.
[NOISE] COUNCIL, COULD YOU PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURES? I SAW YOUR PRESENTATION YESTERDAY WAS MOST HELPFUL.
>> I'LL SEND THIS BOARD TO MY POWERPOINT WHEN I UPDATE IT AND I PUT.
>> IT WASN'T THAT LONG BUT IT WAS REALLY INFORMATIVE.
ANYWAY. TONIGHT WE HAVE CASES ON THE AGENDA, AND THE HDC WILL BE CONDUCTING QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, TAKING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IN EACH ONE OF THE CASES AS THEY'RE CALLED AND THE PARTIES ARE THE CITY, WHICH WILL BE MR. CUMELLA, WHO IS OUR CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER, AND THEN THE APPLICANT AND OR THEIR AGENT.
USUALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE APPLICANT OR THEIR AGENT.
THEY WILL THEN COME UP TO AFTER THE PRESENTATION BY CITY STAFF, THEY'LL COME TO THE PODIUM, NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU'LL BE GIVING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY ON THE RECORD AND THE CHAIR IS GOING TO WHEN I'M FINISHED ASK ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK HERE TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND TAKE AN OATH IF YOU WISH TO COME UP HERE AND SPEAK AND TESTIFY.
IF TONIGHT ALL OF THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU TAKE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT YOUR DECISION HAS TO BE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.
WE'VE BEEN OVER THAT A BUNCH OF TIMES AND MOST OF OUR PEOPLE HERE HAVE HEARD ME SAY THAT BEFORE, BUT BASICALLY, YOU WEIGH THE EVIDENCE WITH YOUR EXPERT TESTIMONY IS WEIGHED MORE THAN LAY PERSON TESTIMONY AND OPINION.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU TAKE TONIGHT NEEDS TO BE RELEVANT TO THE CASE.
IF YOU VEER OFF INTO SOMETHING THAT'S IRRELEVANT AND NOT YOUR PURVIEW, JUST LIMIT THAT.
WE ARE A COMMUNITY SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS PERHAPS, BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP YOU ON TRACK AS WELL CHAIR SPINO.
THEN YOUR VOTES, NO VARIANCES, SO SIMPLE MAJORITY.
TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DURING MR. POYNTER'S CASE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE BOARD MEMBERS WHICH MAKES A FORUM FOR THIS BOARD AND IT WOULD TAKE A SIMPLE MAJORITY OF THOSE VOTING.
TWO OUT OF THE THREE OF YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE ANY MOTION THAT'S MADE AND THAT PASSES.
SINCE THERE'S NO VARIANCES, THAT'S ALL WE NEED BECAUSE WE NEED FOUR FOR VARIANCES, BUT DON'T HAVE THAT TONIGHT.
>> FOR MR. POYNTER WE COULD HAVE THREE MEMBERS?
>> YES, THEN IT WOULD BE TWO OUT OF THREE OF YOU MAKING A MAJORITY TO VOTE TO APPROVE A MOTION.
THEN IF THERE'S ANY APPEAL, IF ANYBODY DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY OF YOUR DECISIONS, THAT APPEAL HAS TO BE FILED TO THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE WRITTEN FINDINGS OF FACT, THOSE FINDINGS OF FACTS ARE SIGNED BY THE CHAIR, USUALLY 3-5 BUSINESS DAYS FROM NOW.
ABOUT 3-5 DAYS AND THE APPEAL IS THEN BARRED AFTER THAT TIME. ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I WOULD ASK THAT ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY THIS EVENING, PLEASE STAND NOW.
MS. SYLVIA WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH.
YOU SHOULD STAND BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TESTIFYING.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
>> WE HAVE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY THE 16TH?
[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]
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>> I REVIEWED AND NO COMMENTS FROM MY END.
UNDER THE PRESSINGS, THE MEMBERS THAT WERE PRESSING, MY NAME IS LISA AND I WAS ABSENT LAST TIME.
>> TAKE HIM OFF AND THEN WE'LL MOVE THE MINUTES. SOMEBODY MOVED TO THE MINUTES.
>> ANY FURTHER COMMENT? MS. SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE MINUTES AS AMENDED TO EXCLUDE MR. ESCLUSA FROM THE ROLL.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON THIS? SELL THE BOSQUE BELLO MASTER PLAN. YOU'RE UP.
[4.1 BOSQUE BELLO MASTER PLAN]
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING SIR CUMELLA, HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER.
TONIGHT, I JUST HAVE FOR YOU A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE BOSQUE BELLO CEMETERY MASTER PLAN AS THIS BOARD HAD ASKED ME TO BRING THIS TO YOU AND JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON WHAT IT IS AND ITS COMPONENTS.
THE BOSQUE BELLO MASTER PLAN WAS DONE IN 2015, IF YOU DON'T KNOW.
OUR CEMETERY IS A FANTASTIC HISTORIC RESOURCE ESTABLISHED IN 1798 AS PART OF THE FERNANDEZ GRANTS.
THE OLDEST STONE WE HAVE OUT THERE DATES FROM 1813.
THERE ARE A LOT OF UNMARKED GRAVES OUT THERE AS THEY WOULD HAVE HAD WOOD MARKERS, WHICH THE MUSEUM HAS AT LEAST ONE OF IN THEIR COLLECTION RIGHT NOW BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF UNMARKED GRAVES.
THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES.
IT'S THE CITY'S ONLY MUNICIPAL CEMETERY.
THIS PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 2015, BUT ACTUALLY STARTED IN 2012.
A NUMBER OF CITY DEPARTMENTS AND VOLUNTEERS CAME TOGETHER TO WORK ON THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF BACKUP MATERIAL THAT WENT INTO THIS.
IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT YET, THE DOCUMENT IS A REALLY GOOD DOCUMENT WHICH HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT AND A LOT OF BACKUP MATERIAL IN APPENDIX.
THE CEMETERY, AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, PART OF IT IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE OLD TOWN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE LOCAL DISTRICT, NOT THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS.
THIS ORANGE AREA YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE IS OUR LOCAL DISTRICT FOR OLD TOWN.
YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE ANCIENT SECTION OVERLAPS WITH OLD TOWN.
LOOKING AT THIS BLUE LINE HERE, THAT IS THIS LOWER SOUTHERN PORTION BLOCK 222 IS THE PART OF THE ANCIENT SECTION THAT OVERLAPS WITH OLD TOWN.
OF COURSE, ASIDE FROM THE ANCIENT SECTION, CEMETERY HAS BEEN EXPANDED NUMBER OF TIMES.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEWER SECTIONS, EACH WITH THEIR OWN DISTINCT CHARACTER.
THE PLAN GOES OVER MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE CEMETERY, INCLUDING REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE OF HEADSTONES, INFRASTRUCTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, WETLANDS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF ASPECTS TO THE CEMETERY.
THERE IS A TREE INVENTORY OF BOSQUE BELLO.
IT ACTUALLY IS, IF YOU GO TO THE NASSAU COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER, A LIVE VERSION IS ONLINE AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT GETS UPDATED PERIODICALLY AS THEY TRIM TREES, REMOVE TREES, TREES IMPROVE IN HEALTH OR DECLINE IN HEALTH.
OF COURSE, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS IS IMPORTANT OUT AT THE CEMETERY BECAUSE OF WHERE IT STANDS.
THERE ARE SOME EROSION ISSUES OUT THERE.
SEA LEVEL RISE IS ALSO A THREAT TO THE CEMETERY.
I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE CEMETERY, BUT IT DOES HAVE A LONG HISTORY.
IT'S HAS BEEN UNDER A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS.
THERE WAS ONE TIME A WOMEN CEMETERY GROUP THAT ACTUALLY MAINTAINS THE RECORDS AND TOOK CARE OF THE CEMETERY.
>> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE '40S, '50S, AND '60S, I BELIEVE.
BEFORE THE CITY TOOK OVER MANAGEMENT OF IT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT STYLES OF INTERMENTS OUT THERE.
WE DO HAVE TRADITIONAL HEADSTONES, STATUARY.
THERE'S OTHER PARTS OF THE NEWER SECTIONS WHICH HAVE JUST FLAT, LOW-LYING MARKERS.
YOU CAN HAVE CREMAINS BURIED OUT IN THE CEMETERY.
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AGAIN, PUTTING TOGETHER THIS MASTER PLAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WENT INTO THIS IN 2013 AND 2014.THE IMPORTANT PART IS THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS REPORT, DEALING WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOPICS INCLUDING IMPROVING DOCUMENTATION, NOMINATING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER, AND ADDING BLOCK 221 TO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, CONTINUING GIS MAPPING, PROVIDING BETTER INFORMATION MANAGEMENT, AND PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF BOSQUE BELLO.
EVALUATING FUNDING, IMPLEMENTING A WAYFINDING SYSTEM, PROTECTING LANDSCAPING, TREE CANOPY AND THE ENVIRONMENT, CREATING PROGRAMMING AND OUTREACH.
OUT OF THOSE, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN DONE.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE OFF THIS.
SOME OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW.
THE NOMINATION TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THE FURNITURE, AMELIA-ISLAND FERNANDINA RESTORATION FOUNDATION IS TAKING THAT UP AND SEE YOU CAN GRANT FUNDING TO GET THE ANCIENT SECTION NOMINATED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER.
THE CITY IS GOING TO BE WORKING THIS YEAR ON GETTING BLOCK 221, THE SOUTHERN MOST LAW INCLUDED IN THE LOCAL REGISTER SO THAT EVERYTHING WILL MATCH AND BE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER TOGETHER.
THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THE GIS MAPPING UP THE CEMETERY.
THERE HAS BEEN IMPROVED WAYFINDING.
THE GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY HAS DONE WORK WITH THAT, IDENTIFYING GRAVES AND CREATING THE SYSTEM THAT HELPED SURVEY A LOT OF THOSE GRAVES.. THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THAT.
THE OTHER THINGS ARE, AS I SAID, THERE IS THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION WHICH IS ACTUALLY DEDICATING THIS YEAR TO WORK AT THE CEMETERY.
THAT'S GREAT. THERE'S ALSO THE FRIENDS GROUP WHICH IS GETTING ACTIVE AGAIN, WHICH DOES MORE OF THE HANDS-ON CLEANUPS, IMPLEMENTATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE.
WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CITIZEN INTEREST AND INVOLVEMENT IN THE CEMETERY.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE.
SOMEWHERE THERE I READ THAT THE CAPACITY OF THE CEMETERY, I THINK IT HAS 10 MORE YEARS OR SO.
>> IS THAT IN THE AREA THAT IT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED OR IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL UNDEVELOPED AREA?
>> THAT REFERS TO THE UNSOLD PLOTS.
THIS WAS IN 2015, SO WE'RE EIGHT YEARS OUT NOW FROM THE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S GONE A LITTLE SLOWER THAN I THINK THEY ANTICIPATED, BUT WE ARE SELLING MORE [NOISE] AND MORE PLOTS.
THE CLOSING OF THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS WHEN YOU'VE SOLD EVERYTHING OUT.
THAT IS COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
>> THEN I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY NEXT QUESTION WAS WHO CAN? I KNOW IT IS MANAGED BY PARKS AND REC.
BUT THEY ARE SOLD AS PRIVATE BLOCKS.
>> CORRECT. THE PERSON WOULD GET A DEED TO THAT PLOT, AND THE DEED IS THE RIGHT TO USE THE PLOT [OVERLAPPING], THE CITY OWNS IT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE ARLINGTON CEMETERY.
>> YEAH. YOU SAID THAT CURLING CREMAINS ARE ALLOWED TO BE BURIED.
DO YOU HAVE TO BUY A STANDARD SIZE PLOT IN ORDER TO BURY ONE?
>> YES AND NO. [NOISE] THERE ARE.
YOU CAN PUT UP TO THREE CREMAINS IN ONE STANDARD PLOT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OUT THERE WHERE THERE'S A TREE OR ANOTHER OBJECT THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT A WHOLE INTERMENT THERE IN A TRADITIONAL CASKET.
THOSE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET ONE OR TWO AND THOSE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED ON WHERE THEY ARE.
>> [NOISE] CARTILAGE THE SITUATION AT THE CEMETERY, IS THAT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CEMETERY IS OUTSOURCED?
>> DOES THE COMPANY THAT IS DOING THAT MAINTENANCE HAVE MANY EXPERTISE WITH ANCIENT HISTORIC CEMETERIES?
>> THAT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
>> BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE HAD CITY STAFF DO SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE,
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THERE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE TRUCKS RAN OVER HEADSTONES AND TREES AND SUCH.DO WE STILL HAVE THAT HAPPENING?
>> CORRECT. THAT MAINLY OCCURS IN THE ANCIENT SECTION BECAUSE IT'S SO NARROW AND TIGHT BACK THERE.
THE FRIENDS GROUP AND THE, I BELIEVE THE MASTER PLAN BOTH RECOMMENDED CLOSING THE ANCIENT SECTION TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
I BELIEVE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS EXPLORED THAT WITH THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE DECIDED TO DO THAT YET.
THEY HAVE LOOKED AT PUTTING MARKERS UP ON CORNERS OF WHERE THOSE ROADS, WHERE IT REALLY GETS TIGHT TO TRY TO PROTECT SOME OF THE MARKERS.
>> WELL, THIS TOPIC, AS YOU ALL REMEMBER, IT CAME UP WHEN WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS INTERESTED IN PRESERVATION, AND WE CERTAINLY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION IS DOING NOW.
IS THERE ENOUGH CHAMPIONING OF THE CEMETERY AS A WHOLE? THE CITY RECOGNIZE IT AS HAVING A PRIORITY? I GUESS THIS IS MY QUESTION.
>> IT'S NOT TARGETED AS A PRIORITY FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.
THE CEMETERY, IN MY OPINION, COULD ALWAYS USE MORE CHAMPIONING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO OCCUR OUT THERE, BOTH ON MONUMENTS AND HEADSTONES, ON WALLS, ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE, ISSUES WITH EROSION.
THERE IS A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE OUT THERE.
>> THERE'S ALSO NO FORWARD MOVEMENT ON THE COLUMBARIUM THAT HAD BEEN CONCEPTUALLY DESIGNED AND TALKED ABOUT.
>> NOT AT THIS TIME, BUT IT IS A RECOMMENDATION OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT'D BE EXPLORED.
>> THIS PLAN IS EIGHT YEARS OLD.
>> IT'S BEEN THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR EIGHT YEARS?
>> CORRECT. WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU NOW.
THE PLAN SHOULD BE LOOKED AT EVERY FIVE YEARS AND EVALUATED AND UPDATED IF NEEDED.
>> I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE AND I SEE MR. KAUFMANN IS HERE FROM THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THAT CHAMPIONSHIP POSITION AS THE COMBINED GROUP.
BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE FRIENDS BOSQUE BELLO DOING SOME ACTIVITIES AND THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION DOING SOMETHINGS, AND US KAREN I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL EDUCATED THE COMMUNITY IS ON THE CEMETERY AND ITS SIGNIFICANCE TO US, AS WELL AS HOW MUCH SPACE IS NOT LEFT.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT HELP TOPIC ON THE FRONT BURNER AS WE CONTINUE THESE MEETINGS.
IF HUC CAN PLAY A ROLE IN THAT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN PROCESSING IS HOW DO WE DO THAT? I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW RESTORATION WELL, TO DRIVE TALK, COMMISSIONERS.
RESTORATION FOUNDATION IS LEADING AS WE SPEAK AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN DO, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL UPON THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THIS AWKWARD SPACE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
QUASI-JUDICIAL BODIES ALWAYS RUN INTO THAT ADVOCACY PROBLEMS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN BE HELPFUL AND TELL US WHAT TO DO. HOW'S THAT?
>> BUT ALSO COMMITTEE WE COULD HAVE THE RIGHT MOMENTUM NOW WITH THE 200 YEARS CELEBRATION, YOU KNOW ALL THESE ISSUES SHOULD RISE, RISING PRIORITY AND RISING IN FUNDING AS WELL.
>> WE'LL DISCUSS THIS TOMORROW.
I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A MEETING WITH THE PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR SPECIFICALLY TO DISCUSS THE CEMETERY AND HOW ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS CAN WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL.
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT FRIENDS BOSQUE BELLO HAVE RE-FORMED THEMSELVES.
ARE THEY STILL INTERESTED IN FUNDRAISING?
>> I DON'T KNOW. THEIR NEW BOARD ISN'T FULLY FORMED YET, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR DIRECTION IS GOING TO BE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS I THINK THEY WOULD RATHER DO MORE OF THE HANDS-ON STUFF.
>> YEAH. THE ADVOCACY AND NOT DO THE FUNDRAISING.
>> WELL, IF THAT CHANGES YOU'LL LET US KNOW.
>> YES, DEFINITELY. I WILL SAY WHY I LEFT TIME AT THE END FOR A BOSQUE BELLO DISCUSSION, BUT SINCE WE'RE HAVING IT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT BOSQUE BELLO.
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DO YOU WANT THEM TO COME IN NOW?>> I'M ALWAYS WONDERING WHETHER THE AGENDA IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE PUBLIC. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR FOLKS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON TOPICS RELATED TO BOSQUE BELLO.
IN WHICH CASE IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.
[6.1 HDC 2023-0081 - JERRY FOSTER, 406 COMMANDANT STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to replace existing porches, in-kind and add shingle roof over front porch to match existing. (Quasi-Judicial)]
THIS IS HDC CASE 2023-0081, FOSTER 406 COMMANDANT STREET.PORCHES IN-KIND AND SHINGLE ROOF OVER THE FRONT PORCH TO MATCH EXISTING CELL.
>> SURE. THANK YOU. THIS IS HDC 2023-0081, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 406 COMMANDANT STREET.
IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS CONSTRUCTED IN 1960.
THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL IS TO REPLACE CURRENTLY EXISTING PORCHES IN-KIND.
THEY ARE WOOD PORCHES ADDING A SHINGLE ROOF OVER THE FRONT PORCH TO MATCH THE EXISTING.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE. IT'S A CORNER PROPERTY.
STAFF FINDS OF THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OLD TOWN FERNANDINA PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES AND DOES MEET REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING SETBACKS AND MATERIALS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF HDC 2023-0081. THANK YOU.
>> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IS MR. FOSTER OR HIS AGENT HERE? HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?
I'LL TELL YOU WHY. PLEASE COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
>> [NOISE] JERRY FOSTER, OWNER OF PROPERTY.
>> PERFECT. JUST IN CASE THESE GUYS HAVE QUESTION.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS?
THE BOARDROOM BATON THAT IS SHOWN ON THE CITING, IS THAT EXISTING OR IS THAT PROPOSED OVER THE EXISTING?
>> IT'S NEW, RIGHT? SO IT'S THE PORCH, THE BACK PORCH AND THE BOARDROOM BATON APPLIED TO THE EXISTING CITING?
>> THE BOARDROOM BATON DOES HAVE APPROVAL ALREADY THOUGH.
THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> I BELIEVE IT WAS STAFF APPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU MR. FOSTER. DOES ANYBODY HERE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH REGARDS TO CASE 2023-0081? HEARING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.
REMEMBER IT'S ONLY THAT THEY HAVE TO APPROVE.
>> YEAH, IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.
MR. POYNTER IS GOING TO READ THE MOTION.
YOU'VE GOT IT OUT. MR. ESCLUSA IS GOING TO READ THE MOTION.
MOVE DISCLOSE THE SECONDED POYNTER.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER AGC 20230081 WITHOUT CONDITIONS, AND I MOVE THAT THE AGC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THE AGC CASE, AGC 20230081 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE OLD TOWN FERNANDINA PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARM FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS TIME.
>> OKAY. SECOND TO COOK OFF AND THE WORST.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
>> NOW, REPEAT MY PRIOR INTERESTS IN NOT HAVING DESIGNED DECISIONS FOR OLD TOWN COME TO THIS BOARD.
IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE GRID, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT.
>> THIS IS BEFORE YOU BECAUSE IT'S A MATTER OF A DECK BEING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY OR TO THE SIDE OF THE CORNER PROPERTY.
>> YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR HTC 2023-0082 POYNTER,
[6.2 HDC 2023-0082 - TIM POYNTER, THE CROSSING AT AMELIA LLC, 231 FRONT STREET CONCEPTUAL Certificate of Approval (COA) to construct a 19 unit hotel. (Quasi-Judicial)]
CROSSING AND EMILIA ABOUT C231 FRONT STREET.WITH THE BOARD'S PERMISSION, WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THIS FOR FINAL APPROVAL TONIGHT OR DISAPPROVAL, WHICHEVER THE CHOICE MIGHT BE. MR. CUMELLA.
>> THIS IS HTC 2023-0082, A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 02:31 FRONT STREET.
THAT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL.
THE REQUESTED ACTION IS A CONCEPTUAL CERTIFICATE OF
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APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 19 UNIT HOTEL.IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PORT WAREHOUSE PROPERTIES.
SUBJECT PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE WATERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA IN THE EASTERN FRONT STREET DESIGN AREA.
LOOKING AT SETBACKS. FOR I-1, THERE ARE NO SETBACKS.
THERE IS A MAX BUILDING HEIGHT OF 45 FT.
THERE ARE IN THE CRA GUIDELINES, SOME SPECIFIC GUIDELINES ABOUT PROPERTIES OVER 30 FT.
WHEN TALKING ABOUT BUILDING STYLES, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS AREA OF THE CRA IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH A HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN ON SECOND STREET AND A VARIANT OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLES WITH SIMPLE GEOMETRIC FORMS AND SIMPLE PLANS.
COMPLEXITY BEING ACHIEVED BY ASSEMBLY OF SIMPLE SHAPES, MODULATING MASSES AND PROJECTIONS, ENTRY WAYS.
THE BODY OF THE BUILDING IS BEING DEFINED BY THEIR MATERIALS, EITHER BRICKSTONE, STUCCO OVER BLOCK CONSTRUCTION, THE EXPRESSION OF CONSTRUCTION THROUGH CAREFUL DETAILING OF MASONRY, WOOD, METAL, OR COMBINATIONS OF THOSE AND SIMPLE ROOF FORMS. PARKING SHOULD BE PERVIOUS IN THIS PART OF THE CRA, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE GRAVEL, PERVIOUS PAVERS, PERVIOUS CONCRETE.
WITH THAT, STAFF FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED, NOT ADAPTIVE, WE USE THE PROPOSE PLANS FOR THIS STRUCTURE ARE CONCEPTUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND MEET REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING HEIGHT, SCALE, MASSING AND MATERIALS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL OF HTC 2023-0082. THANK YOU.
AM I HEARING THAT THIS IS STILL CONCEPTUAL OR WILL IT BE FINAL?
>> THEN, MY SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, SO WOULD STAFF REVIEW THE PROJECT OR THE PACKAGE DIFFERENTLY IF THIS WAS A FINAL VERSUS A CONCEPTUAL?
>> WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GREATER LEVEL OF DETAIL.
IN FINAL, YOU WILL SEE THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT AND YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IT, MORE UPDATED PLANS, WHICH DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DETAIL WE'D BE LOOKING FOR, YES.
>> THERE'S A GREATER LEVEL OF WHAT MATERIALS ARE.
>> YEAH. WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF IT.
WHEREAS THE CONCEPTUAL THAT WE RECEIVED, ITS LINE DRAWINGS.
>> A SCHEMATIC OF LIST OF THE SPECIFIC WINDOW CHOICE, THE SPECIFIC SIGN-INS CHOICE AROUND WHAT THOSE MATERIALS ARE.
>> I WILL BRING THAT UP FOR YOU.
>> AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN, YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT ANY ADDITIONAL DETAIL THAN WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE?
>> JUST ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
YOU'LL SEE THE UPDATED VERSION.
>> THERE'S AN UPDATED SITE PLAN?
>> YEAH. IT HAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT NOTES FROM TRC AND ALSO FROM MYSELF AND UPDATED SOME OF THOSE.
IF THERE ARE FURTHER CHANGES, IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE HTC, BUT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
>> WOULD YOU TALK TO US ABOUT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PARKING STUDY AND JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MAKE, COULD YOU ILLUMINATE THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR ME?
>> SURE. IN SPECIFIC, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME?
>> WELL, I GUESS I HAVEN'T US ASK FOR A PARKING STUDY BEFORE THAT I CAN RECALL.
BUT TELL ME WHY THIS TRIPPED THE TRIGGER.
>> WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A PARKING STUDY FOR THIS.
>> WHAT AM I READING HERE ON PAGE 4?
>> THERE'S A LIST THERE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT IS SHOWING THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION.
>> IF YOU SCROLL UP FROM THE MOTION, YOU'LL SEE A LIST. IT'S 1-5.
>> THESE ARE OUTLINED FROM THE CRA GUIDELINES.[OVERLAPPING] CORRECT, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING A PARKING.
>> IT'S RIGHT ABOVE THE GIVEN TO STAFF FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WENT, WHY IS HE DOING THAT? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
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>> ANYTHING ELSE? MR. POYNTER, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE COME UP, IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD AND TELL US IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO TELL US.
>> SALVE, CAN YOU PULL THE OTHER STUFF UP?
>> BEFORE WE DENY YOUR CASE [LAUGHTER].
>> TIM POYNTER 3967 FIRST AVENUE, FERNANDINA BEACH.
>> TELL US WHY THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY CONTAINERS AGAIN. I'M JUST TEASING YOU, TIM.
>> DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT THOUGH?
>> YEAH, ACTUALLY, PUT IT ON THE RECORD. IT'S ACTUALLY USEFUL.
>> THE REASON WHY THERE'S NOT CONTAINERS IS ONE CONTAINERS ARE ONLY 7.5 FT WIDE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO GET EXTENDED.
THE SECOND REASON, THEY'RE HARD TO COME BY.
[LAUGHTER] IF YOU DO GET A CONTAINER, IN ORDER TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU'RE CUTTING ALL THE INTEGRITY OUT OF IT BY OPENING IT UP AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO PUT STEEL ALL BACK IN TO CREATE THE INTEGRITY AGAIN AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S CONTAINER BY DESIGN AS OPPOSED TO CONTAINER PER SAY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CONTAINER BY THE DESIGN, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT.
>> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU CHOSE THE CONTAINER DESIGN AND HOW THAT FITS IN?
>> WELL, RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A 35-FOOT METAL WAREHOUSE.
TO US IT SEEMED IT WOULD BE A NICE TRANSITION FROM MORE OR LESS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THEN WHAT WILL UNDOUBTEDLY BE RETAIL AND MORE HOUSING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BROOME STREET.
[NOISE] IF JENNY SCHAFFER MOVES FORWARD WITH GETTING THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WHAT SHE IS INTENDING TO DO, SHE WANTS TO PUT RETAIL COMING DOWN ALONG SECOND STREET.
THEN ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT, SHE WANTS TO PUT TOWNHOUSES OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A NICE TRANSITIONAL THING TO GO THAT ROUTE.
WE TRIED TO BE SOMEWHAT CLEVER IN THE WAY IT LOOKS AND IN THE FEEL, AND I THINK WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT.
>> THIS IS THE COLORFUL UPDATED.
>> THE INDUSTRIAL AESTHETIC AND THEN A TRANSITIONAL MOTIF BETWEEN ALL THAT.
>> THIS IS WITH THE WAREHOUSE THERE.
>> WHEN I STOOD ON BROOME STREET TODAY SURVEYING THE PROPERTY, I COULD SEE CONTAINERS AT THE END OF THE STREET UP AT THE PORT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
>> WE'LL ALL STEP BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM THE FRONT TO THE MIDDLE TO THE BACK BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD SPUR THAT'S GOING ALONG, AND THAT'S WHY THAT STEP BACK.
THIS IS THE WAY THE TRUCKS COME IN.
WELL, SOMETIMES THE TRUCKS ARE COMING IN THIS WAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PROPERTY.
YEARS AGO THEY PUT AN ACCESS FOR THE WAREHOUSE OVER HERE OF THE SECOND STREET, SO THAT GOES HERE.
THIS WOULD BE COMING FOR THE TRUCKS AND THEN THIS IS OUR PROPERTY HERE.
>> SIR YOU SAID THESE DRONES HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COLD TIER AND THEY MEET THE NUMBER OF PARKING BECAUSE IF I COUNTED RIGHT, YOU HAVE ABOUT 19 UNITS.
>> WE ACTUALLY HAD 20 AND THE MAYOR SAID, TAKE ONE OUT.
>> THEY WE'RE OVER PARKED BY ONE.
YES, THAT'S EXACTLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH, WE HAVE ONE TOO MANY PARKING SPACES.
>> THAT MEANS SO 20 PARKING SPACES MEET THE REQUIREMENT.
>> WE'VE TAKEN IN EVERYTHING, ALL THE CONSIDERATIONS OF WHAT THE INITIAL MEETING WITH THE TRC WAS AS WELL.
NUMBER OF TREES, WE AGREED WITH STAFF TO PUT OUR SIDEWALK FROM SECOND STREET TO OUR PROPERTY AND ENDED AT OUR DRIVEWAY VERSUS MORLEY WOULD BE REQUIRED IS DOING IT ALONG OUR WHOLE PROPERTY.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE NO SIDEWALK OR PROPERTY AND RAILROAD TRACKS.
WE'VE AGREED TO GO TO SECOND STREET AND BRING IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR ENTRANCE-WAY.
>> HAVE WE EVER HAD ANYTHING IN THE CRA THAT MORE CLOSELY COMPLY WITH CRA GUIDELINES? I HEAR ALL THE CRA GUIDELINES AND REMEMBER THEM PAINFULLY WELL FROM MY DAYS ON THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD AND I DON'T SEE THAT YOU'VE MISSED ANY OF THEM.
IT CERTAINLY LOOKS APPROPRIATE TO ME.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPOTS IN THE CRA AS A CITY THAT CAN BRING MORE MONEY IN THE CRA SPENDING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS SEEMS TO MEET ALL THOSE OBJECTIVES AS WELL.
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FROM A DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS A GREAT THING TO BE GOING ON DOWNTOWN.>> WE DO HAVE SAMPLES OF THE WINDOWS.
>> WELL, THAT WOULD BE YOUR CONDITION FOR APPROVAL IF WE GO TO THE FINAL.
>> WE DO HAVE IT HERE, WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING COMPLETED AT THE MONTH WHEN WE HAD TO TURN IT OVER.
>> IF APPROVED, IT'D BE SUBJECT TO STAFFORD IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE FINAL TONIGHT AND WE'LL DO THAT, WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT ON BOARD THIS CONTRACT, RIGHT?
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT JIM AND TAMMY AREN'T HERE BECAUSE I KNOW THEY WOULD HAVE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT THE DESIGN COMPONENTS, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE, FLORENCE HAS GOT THE FULL PACKAGED DONE.
>> BUT THE STAIR DOOR WILL BE A METAL DOOR WITH A WINDOW IN IT.
THANK YOU, TIM. THANK MR. FOREIGN.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WISHES TO HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TONIGHT ABOUT CASE HDC 2023-0082.
I KNOW THE BOTTOM LARS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS FROM THEIR BACK DECK, I THINK.
>> DO YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT THE TRENDS?
>> I'D KNOW IF I WAS ASSIGNED DUTY BUT I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE HEIGHT.
>> YEAH. WHEN HE MENTIONED 45, [OVERLAPPING].
>> I HAVE TO CONCUR 100% WITH THAT.
IN FACT, THOSE WERE MY NOTES FOR A BIRD'S QUESTION.
I'M A GREAT FAN OF THE PROJECT, I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC PROJECT.
>> LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S OKAY.
I WANDERED OFF THE TRACTOR, THAT'S MY FAULT. BUT PLEASE GO AHEAD, MR.
>> WELL, BEFORE WE SAW THE RENDERINGS, THERE WERE TWO ELEMENTS THAT I WAS AFTER.
ONE WAS, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT, YOU COULD HAVE GONE TO 45 FEET.
>> WE WANTED TO HAVE AIR IN BETWEEN THEM, WHICH IS WHY WE DID WHAT WE DID.
THERE'S PASS-THROUGHS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS BIG CHUNK OF METAL.
>> THE SECOND ONE WAS BEFORE WE HAD THE RENDERING IS, HOW ARE THESE GOING TO LOOK LIKE? ARE THESE GOING TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE? COLORFUL CONTAINERS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE BLACK CONTAINERS, NATURAL CONTAINERS? WHEN WE GOT THE RENDERING, I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE COLOR SCHEME BECAUSE YOU SEE THESE PROJECTS OTHER PLACES, BUT THEY GO WITH A DARK TONE AND I WAS AFRAID THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT TOO HARSH FOR THERE.
I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE MORE APPROPRIATE.
AGAIN, LIKE THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD WAS ABOUT SITE PLANNING AND ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND IF THOSE HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT, THEN I THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC USE OF THE PROPERTY AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT PROJECT.
>> ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
>> THE THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS ASKING MAYBE DIDN'T GO TO NON-CONCEPTUAL, BUT GO AHEAD AND PROVE IT, IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THE WINDOWS AND THE DOORS.
>> YOU'VE GOT THE DETAILS DOWN THAT YOU COULD SUBMIT TO SELL? THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED?
>> THEY'RE ON THE PACKAGE, YES.
>> IT WAS ON THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAGE [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE COULDN'T GET IT ALL DOWN IN TIME.
>> EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.
THAT SELL IF YOU HAD THIS BACK AT JOE.
YOU SAID THERE WERE STILL SOME DRAWINGS THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR FINAL FILE?
>> I THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE WOULD NEED FOR FINAL.
>> MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING THERE.
>> HEIGHTS ARE ON THERE ALL THAT.
>> THEN IN OUR MOTION IF WE'RE SO INCLINED, WE COULD MOVE TO APPROVE FOR FINAL BECAUSE COUNCIL SAYS WE CAN DO THAT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A HUGE OUTPOURING OF PUBLIC CONCERN IN OUR OPPOSITION.
>> HAVE WE DONE IT BEFORE OR THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME?
>> IF I HAD A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED, I WOULDN'T GO FOR CONCEPTUAL FILE.
>> BUT I DON T HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE SO I'M NOT INCLINED TO HOLD IT UP.
>> COULD I GET MOTION FROM SOMEONE?
>> MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE TWO MEMBERS HERE, BUT I THINK OUR CONSENSUS HERE IS SUFFICIENT.
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>> I ASKED CELL TO REACH OUT TO TAMMY AND JUNE FOR COMMENTS AND I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE WEIGHED IN HAD THEY HAD PROBLEMS. I THOUGHT MIKE WAS GOING TO BE HERE, SO I DIDN'T ASK FOR HIS INPUT.
BUT TAMMY, JAMES BASHER, ESPECIALLY, THE ARCHITECT AND THE GUY WHO LIVES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'D THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM THEM.
BUT IF THEY HAVEN'T WEIGHED IN, I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT ASSIGNMENT AS A CONSENSUS.
>> TIM ONE LAST QUESTION, THE COLORED PORTION OF THE BUILDINGS, THEY ARE THE CYPRESS WOOD, RIGHT? IT'S OBTAINED FROM THE WOOD? IS THAT THE ACTUAL METAL THAT'S GOING TO BE PAINTED.
>> YEAH THE METAL WILL BE METAL, AND THE PLATFORM WILL BE THE COLOR.
>> IT WILL BE GALVANIZED METAL AND THEN ALL THE BLACKBOARDING WILL BE THE PAINT.
>> THE CORNER AREAS WILL BE PAINT ON WOOD?
>> OKAY. HARDY, YES. I'M SORRY.
>> JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THE DESIGN INSPIRATION HERE IS THE VERTICAL METAL TO LOOK LIKE A CONTAINER AND THEN THEY ADDED ALL IMPORTANT.
>> YEAH I BUILT MY HOUSE LIKE THAT.
>> THERE'S YOUR HEADLINE [LAUGHTER] NEWSLETTER TOMORROW.
MR. ESCLUSA IS GOING TO MOVE THIS.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE AGENCY CASE NUMBER 2023-0082 WITHOUT CONDITIONALS.
WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE REVISED PACKAGE IS PART OF THESE PACKAGE, IT'S NOT A CONDITION FOR APPROVAL?
>> CORRECT. ACTUALLY, PUTTING IT IN THE RECORD.
>> CASE 2023-0088 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD.
THE HDC CASE 202-0082 HAS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND WATERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA CRA GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE WILL DISCLOSE A SECOND FULL-COST FACILITY, PLEASE.
EXCITING STUFF DOWN, EXCITING STUFF REALLY.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY GET THAT STORM SEWER ON A LOT OF THE STREET.
[6.3 HDC 2023-0083 - RICE ARCHITECTS, AGENT FOR JEAN GOULDEN, 315 S. 7TH STREET Certificate of Approval (COA) to enclose carport with material to match existing, and to demolish rear shed. (Quasi-Judicial)]
THIS IS MARK FOR JANE GOLDEN AT 315 CELLS SEVENTH STREET ENCLOSED CARPORT WITH MATERIAL TO MATCH EXISTING AND TO DEMOLISH REAR SHED.I UNDERSTAND THIS PROPERTY HAS A SUBSTANTIAL, THAT'S TRUE?
>> SURE. I'LL GO THROUGH THAT.
>> YES, THIS PROPERTY IS AT 315 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET, A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS, CONSTRUCTED IN 1870.
IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DISTRICT.
THE REQUESTED ACTION IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO ENCLOSED AN EXISTING CARPORT WITH MATERIAL MATCHING THE EXISTING AND TO DEMOLISH A REAR SHED.
THIS IS THE SITE AERIAL AT 315.
THEN THERE HAPPENED A NUMBER OF ADDITIONS TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OVER TIME.
THERE'S ALSO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AT BACK AND AT NORTH PROPERTY LINE, YOU'LL SEE THERE IS A SHED ADDITION THAT'S BEEN ACTUALLY ADDED ONTO THAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHICH IS WHAT THE REQUEST IS TO DEMOLISH JUST THAT SHED PORTION.
[NOISE] WHEN ANALYZING THIS, STAFF FINDS THAT REMOVING THE EXISTING NON HISTORIC SHED IS PERMISSIBLE IN CLOSING THE CARPORT.
BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, I'LL SHOW YOU THE SANBORN MAPS.
YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S HAD A NUMBER OF ADDITIONS ADDED TO IT OVER TIME.
THAT CARPORT BEING ONE OF THEM IN THIS LOCATION HERE WHERE THE ARROW IS.
YOU'LL NOTICE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE BACK.
ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO WAS DEMOLISH THIS ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND BUILD A GARAGE BACK THERE.
AFTER LOOKING AT IT AND SEEING IT ON THESE MAPS, WE DISCUSSED IT AND BEING A PART OF A HISTORIC ORIGINAL PART OF THE HOUSE, THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT NOW AND JUST REMOVE THAT SHED PORTION OF IT, WHICH IS A MUCH LATER ADDITION TO THAT BUILDING.
THEY ARE KEEPING THE HISTORIC ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> BUT THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS BEING EXPANDED? [OVERLAPPING]
ON THE ADDITION PORTION OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THERE IS A CARPORT CURRENTLY, AND I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT ENCLOSING IN AS GARAGE SPACE.
IN ANALYZING THAT, THE CARPORT DOES HAVE AN EXISTING ROOF LINE THAT COMPLIMENTS THE HOUSE AND IS CLEARLY SUBORDINATE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
IT'S ALSO SITUATED TOWARDS THE REAR BACK CORNER OF THE HOME SO IT MINIMIZES ITS MASSING AND SCALE.
THE MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE USED, ARE GOING TO BE MODERN MATERIALS SUCH AS HARDY LAP SIDING, WHICH WILL REPLICATE THE LOOK OF THE HISTORIC MATERIALS ON THE BODY OF THE HOME.
WITH THAT, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF HTC 2023-0083. THANK YOU.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GO FIRST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M CATCHING FOUR ISSUES ON THIS HOUSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY THERE GROWTH OVER TIME.
BUT YES, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ADDITIONS ON THE HOUSE.
>> NICELY AROUND A CORNER. IT'S HOUSE SIDE BY FASCINATION FOR ME, BUT I DID NOT REALIZE THAT IT'S REALLY THERE WAS HOUSE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE ONLY OLD COMPONENT. THAT'S 126?
>> DOES EVERYTHING ELSE WAS ADDED AFTER 1926? [OVERLAPPING]
>> CORRECT. THE SOUTHERN L-SHAPE PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
>> THEY DID A REALLY NICE JOB OF INTEGRATING ALL THAT INTO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE SCENE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND I DIDN'T PICK UP ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS MUCH LATER ADD-ONS.
THAT TRIMMED PROBABLY HELPS SELL THAT PRETTY LITTLE TRIM AT THE TOP OF THE WHOLE THING.
WE THINK THAT'S A LATER EDITION? [OVERLAPPING]
IT DOESN'T I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS CREATED TO MATCH SOMETHING THAT WAS EXISTING ON THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OR THAT WAS A LATER EDITION EVEN TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
BUT [OVERLAPPING] A PREVIOUS OWNER ADDED THAT ALL ON WHEN THOSE ADDITIONS WERE DONE.
>> NOW, THE QUESTION IS FOR SALE.
DID WE GET THE ISSUE OR SHOULD I WAIT FOR MARK TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE, THE QUESTION BETWEEN THE ELEVATIONS THAT WE SAW AND THE ACTUAL MATERIALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FOR THE DOORS? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAVE A GOOD QUESTION. YES, I WILL CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.
>> THANK YOU. HEY, MARK, COULD YOU COME ON UP, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.
I'M WITH RICE ARCHITECT 961687 GATEWAY BOULEVARD.
>> THANK YOU. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AGAIN, I'LL GO FIRST FEW DAYS OF MIND.
QUESTIONS CAME UP, IN YOUR DRAWINGS, I THOUGHT THE DOORS LOOK PRETTY SENSITIVE TO THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE, BUT THE SUBMISSION FOR THE GARAGE DOOR ITSELF, LOOKED A LITTLE MORE, SHALL WE SAY? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> WITH CONDITION IF YOU GUYS WILL ALLOW, WILL SUBMIT SOMETHING THAT WOULD MEET YOUR STAFF AND BE APPROVED.
>> A LITTLE MORE ROOMS. THAT SOLVES MOST OF MY PROBLEMS. MEMBERS, QUESTIONS FOR MR. ATKINS? [OVERLAPPING] ARLENE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] JUST STATE THOSE TWO THINGS AGAIN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU PROPERLY.
>> EXCUSE ME. I MENTIONED THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD ALLOW APPROVAL WITH CONDITION THAT WE PRESENT A DOOR THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED THE STAFF AND BE APPROVED.
>> THE DRAWING HAD A FAIRLY ELEGANT SOLUTION FOR THE DOOR.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE THAT SLIDE [OVERLAPPING] PAGE 141.
THEN THE SUBMISSION WAS A LITTLE LESS SHALL WE SAY IN KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I KNOW I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT, SO HE WANTS TO GET IT RIGHT.
>> I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS ON THE DOOR.
>> THANK YOU. WILL ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK WITH THE GARCIA CASE HD 2023-0083? NO ONE WE WILL GO INTO A BOARD DISCUSSION.
I GOT TO TELL YOU, NOT KNOWING THE HISTORY, I HAD A REAL ALLERGIC REACTION WHEN I GOT THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT, THIS IS THE O'DONNELL SITUATION ALL OVER AGAIN.
WE'RE TAKING A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND WE'RE SUBSTANTIALLY MODIFYING IT, AND HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY DOING THAT? THEN SELLS SAYS NO.
AT SOME POINT YOU WANT TO LET PEOPLE ADAPT THEIR PROPERTY TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH IT.
IN THIS CASE, IT'S A ONE CAR GARAGE SO THAT THEY CAN RETAIN THE EXISTING OUT BUILDING.
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I THINK THAT GOT ME OVER THE HUMP.[NOISE] OTHERS, COMMENTS? THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LEAVE IT UP TO SELL TO APPROVE THE DOOR, BUT I BELIEVE MARK WILL COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
>> I THINK IT'S GOOD. I'M GLAD THAT KEEPING THE BACKSTROKE.
>> ME TOO. IF IT'S ON FROM SANBORN MAP 1926, I'M FEELING LIKE WE NEED TO KEEP THAT. LET'S WORK WITH THEM.
>> MR. POYNTER WILL MAKE A MOTION OR ASK FOR A CALL.
>> I LOVE TO APPROVE HTC CASE NUMBER HTC 2023-0083, WITH CONDITIONS REGARDING GARAGE DOOR DESIGNED TO BE PRESENTED TO CITY STAFF AND APPROVAL THERE.
I MOVED THE DHCC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW A PART OF THE RECORD.
THAT HTC CASE HTC 2023-0083 AS PRESENTED, IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGN GUIDELINES TO WARRANT FILE WITH CONDITION APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.
>> MOVED, LOW-COST SECOND POYNTER ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> MISS SYLVIA, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES, THANK YOU, APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENTS MARKS.
IT'S NICE WHEN THINGS COME TOGETHER.
WE HAVE 7.1 BUSK BELLOW AGAIN?
[7.1 BOSQUE BELLO]
>> YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSION, IF YOU WANT ABOUT NEXT STEPS ON THAT BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH JUST PUT IN MY GENDER TERMS THERE.
>> I KNOW THAT HE SAID AT [OVERLAPPING]
>> I GAVE YOU TIME FOR DISCUSSION DURING THE MORE [LAUGHTER]
>> I TALKED ABOUT THE EFFORTS FROM THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION TO GET THE GRANT FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION.
>> I WILL POINT OUT THAT ON THE APRIL 4TH CITY COMMISSION AGENDA, THEY'LL BE SEEKING APPROVAL TO PUT IN FOR THAT GRANT.
IF THE HTC WANTS TO ISSUE A LETTER OF SUPPORT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR INDIVIDUALLY TALK TO COMMISSIONERS JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT IS COMING UP ON APRIL 4TH.
>> CAN GIVE YOU UP A LETTER FOR MY SIGNATURE.
>> THIS BOARD WILL SUPPORT YOU.
>> I SUPPORT IT, BUT WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC OF THE GRANT AGAIN.
>> IT'S $50,000 SMALL MATCHING GRANT FROM THE DIVISION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO ACTUALLY WRITE THE NOMINATION AT THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES NOMINATION.
>> THE CITY HAS TO COME UP WITH HOW MUCH MONEY 50,000?
>> THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR ANY.
[OVERLAPPING] THIS WILL BE TAKEN ON BY THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION NOT BECAUSE IT'S A CITY PROPERTY, THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO AGREE TO IT.
>> A PRIVATE-PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP.
>> THAT'S A GRIEF FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY. [LAUGHTER]
>> ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, SELL STAFF REPORT, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
[8. STAFF REPORT]
>> NO. SELL ANYTHING ELSE FOR OFFER?
>> JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE HAVE THE LUNCH AND LEARN FROM THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE FOR PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS.
IT'S A WEBINAR WE'RE DOING NEXT WEEK ON MARCH 23RD, HERE IN COMMISSION CHAMBERS AND IF AVAILABLE WE WILL WATCH THAT WEBINAR TOGETHER.
IT'S TOPIC IS PRESERVATION PLANNING, DEVELOPING YOUR VISION, GOALS AND PRIORITIES.
WE HAVE INVITED THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO JOIN US SINCE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT THE HTC WILL BE WORKING ON THAT WILL OVERLAP WITH THE PAB.
>> I'LL BE THERE AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE HAVE OUR ETHICS TRAINING WITH TAMMY HERE? SAME ROOM, SAME TIME, SAME PLACE.
YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PEPPERS.
>> CORRECT. YES, THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT.
I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT PEPPERS.
EARLIER THIS WEEK, I CONDUCTED A HISTORIC DISTRICT FINAL ON PEPPERS, THE RESTAURANT ON CENTER STREET.
IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, THIS CAME THROUGH IN 2019 FOR TWO ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AND AN ACCESSORY BUILDING AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND WALL IN THE REAR [NOISE] PARKING YARD.
ON HTC FINAL INSPECTION FAILED HTC FINAL INSPECTION FOR AN ISSUE WITH MATERIALS THAT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH.
WHAT I LEARNED WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE PROCESS AFTER THE HTC APPROVAL,
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THE PROPERTY OWNER HIRED A NEW ARCHITECTS [NOISE] A CONTRACTOR AND I BELIEVE NOT ALL THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THE MATERIALS THAT WERE CHOSEN WERE.>> YOU WOULD HAVE ANY PHOTOS WOULD YOU?
I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT WAS APPROVED FIRST THOUGH.
>> BECAUSE I REMEMBER JIM'S BEING VERY SPECIFIC IN THESE COMMENTS AS TO WHY HE WANTED THEM TO FINISH ON THE EXTERIOR BLOCK.
>> CORRECT, AND SO THE ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING BUILDING, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PHOTOS, ARE THE A STUCCO TO MATCH THE PATTERN OF THE BUILDING.
THE ADDITION THE WALL AND THE ACCESSORY STORAGE ROOM AND THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE WERE TO BE AS YOU CAN SEE, A PATTERNS BLOCK, THEY'RE CMU BLOCKS THAT HAVE A ROUGH FACE TO THEM.
WHAT WAS ACTUALLY [NOISE] CONSTRUCTED WAS JUST USING STANDARD CMU BLOCK.
THE BUILDING HAS NO REAL FINISH ON IT.
IT JUST HAS CMU BLOCK, WHICH [OVERLAPPING]
>> I CAN SHOW YOU. THIS IS THE AS-BUILT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHICH IS WHY IT FAILED FINAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FINISH THAT WAS APPROVED.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THAT WALL SECTION, THERE'S THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE AND THE STORAGE ROOM.
ADDITIONALLY, THE COLORS AREN'T THE COLORS THAT WERE APPROVED.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IT DIDN'T GET [NOISE] THE STRUCTURE OF TREATMENT ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THIS IS ALSO CMU BLOCK, SO THAT WILL NEED TO BE STUCCOED.
WHEN TALKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR, OBVIOUSLY, THEY CAN'T GO BACK WITH THE INTEGRATED CMU BLOCK ANYMORE BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS BUILT BUT HE SAID THEY CAN GET THAT SAME BLOCK IN A FOUR-INCH VENEER THAT THEY CAN SKIN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND WALL WITH, WHICH WOULD GIVE IT THE SAME APPEARANCE.
>> COULD THEY DO THAT THOUGH ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE BECAUSE THAT'S LITERALLY ON THE SIDE OF [OVERLAPPING]
>> ARE THEY ON THE PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE AS WELL?
>> ON THE BACKSIDE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
EVERYWHERE ELSE IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
[OVERLAPPING] IT DOESN'T GO TO THE FRONT [NOISE] SIDE WALLS.
>> THIS IS THE FIFTH STREET SIDE THAT YOU SEE ONLY BECAUSE OF THERE'S A [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY DID THAT.
>> I THINK IS ON THE SIXTH STREET SIDE.
>> ON THE EXISTING BUILDING THIS SIDE AND THAT SIDE, IT WAS APPROVED STUCCO.
STARTING AT THE WALL AND THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT'S WHERE THE ROUGH BLOCK WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
WHAT I'M ASKING OF THE BOARD IS, RATHER THAN BRING THEM BACK IF IT AESTHETICALLY CAN LOOK THE SAME.
WILL THE BOARD APPROVED ME WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR? HE DOES HAVE HE DID FIND IT COMES IN A NUMBER OF COLORS THAT THEY CAN GET.
MY RECOMMENDATION TO HIM WAS JUST AS LONG AS WE CAN GET SOMETHING A TAN-ISH COLOR THAT'S GOING TO BE NEUTRAL.
I THINK ORIGINALLY WHAT WE HAD SEEN WAS A PINK WHICH REALLY DOESN'T MATCH THE BUILDING AT ALL.
>> YEAH. WHAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD? [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GOOD HANDLE ON THIS.
>> I AGREE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
>> YOU'RE TALKING TO THE CONTRACTOR?
>> HAS THE OWNER AGREED TO PAY FOR THIS ADDITIONAL?
>> THAT'S BETWEEN THE PRIVATE PARTIES.
>> IF I TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP, AND YOU SAY, YOU MUST DO THIS AND THE OWNER SAYS NO WHAT'S THE STEP AFTER THAT.
>> THAT THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL.
THEY CAN'T GET AN HTC FINAL OR A BUILDING FINAL AND EVENTUALLY WILL BECOME A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE.
>> WHAT'S CERTAIN THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS IN SYNC WITH THIS PRECISION?
>> THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WON'T SCHEDULE A FINAL BUILDING INSPECTION UNTIL THE HTC FINAL WAS APPROVED.
>> NEUROMA VENEER, ON 5TH STREET SIDE? IF ANYBODY EVER BUILDS OVER THERE, WILL NEVER BE VISIBLE.
>> ANY LOCATION. WHEREAS THE 6TH STREET STRIDE IS.
I'M GOING TO GO ALONG WITH THE ORCAS.
YOU'VE SEEN THEM CONSENSUS ON THIS.
IF IT WAS ME SOUTH, I JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WHY NOT? WE HAVE SO MUCH NOW.
>> BUT IT WAS APPROVED. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED THAT'S WHY I'M BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
>> IF THEY BROUGHT IT IN AS STUCK OUT WITH THE RIGHT TONE, TEXTURE, AND COLOR AND I THINK WE PROBABLY WILL APPROVED BACK IN 2019.
BUT, I'M GOING TO GO ALONG WITH YOU GUYS.
>> LOOK OUT FINE WITH GIVING THEM AN OPTION TO TO STEP AWAY. IT SAVE THEM SOME MONEY.
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>> LET'S DO THIS [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT THE WHOLE THING, BUT SHE KNOWS SOMEDAY IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED UP.
>> LET'S GIVE SALARY APPROVAL TO THE AUTHORITY TO MANAGE THIS OUT GAME SO THAT EVERYBODY WALKS AWAY OUT, YOU CAN'T BE AS IT CURRENTLY.
TIM AND I AND OTHERS HAVE WALKED DOWN THE STREET 1, THIS ISN'T WHAT WE APPROVE AND I REMEMBER PRESENTED BEING VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT TEXTURE AND COLOR IS TO WHAT HE THOUGHT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE OF WHERE IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SENT.
CAN YOU MANAGE THAT? DO WE NEED ABOUT.
>> I WOULD SAY YES, PLEASE VOTE.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GIVING SALLY AUTHORITY TO MANAGE THE APP GAME ON THIS.
>> THOSE OPPOSE, AND AS ALWAYS, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE NOT GETTING WHERE YOU NEED TO BE, YOU BRING THEM BACK AND WE WILL BACK YOU UP.
>> THE CONTRACTOR IS WILLING TO BRING ALL THESE OPTIONS TO THE OWNER.
I THINK THEY ARE REALLY WANTING TO CORRECT IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> THAT'S PURPOSE WE TALKED ABOUT ETHICS.
WILL STILL DO BOARD. ONE LAST SIDE OF THE BOARD.
YESTERDAY AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, I SUPPORTED AN APPLICATION FOR A VARIANCE TO SUB-DIVIDE THE LOTS AT 71 SOUTH SIXTH STREET ON HISTORIC HOME THERE THAT'S SELLING, I THINK IS PROBABLY PRE 1,900.
I APOLOGIZE IF ANY PICTURES RIGHT HERE.
YOU RECOGNIZE IT'S AT THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF 6TH AND GUM.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT TWO-STORY TWO TO GALLERY STRUCTURE.
>> IS THAT THE ONE BUILDING NOW.
>> IT'S SOLD. THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO SUB-DIVIDE THE LOTS ADJACENT, CREATE SOME CONSERVATION SPACE WHERE THERE'S SWAMP ON THE WEST SIDE AND RESTORED THE EXISTING HOME.
I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCE TO SUB-DIVIDE THE LOTS BECAUSE OF UNDER 10305, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED ONCE THERE'S ANY STRUCTURE ON ANY OF THE LOTS ARE ALL COMBINED AND THEY CAN NEVER BE SUBDIVIDED AGAIN WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
THE LOTS YOU ARE ASKING FOR ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE TO 50 BY 100.
IT'S LITERALLY EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON 5TH STREET AND 6TH STREET, 7TH STREET.
I SUPPORT IT, I TOOK A LITTLE LICENSE.
I SAID YOU WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE BECAUSE WE FIGURED THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE THE IT PASSED THERE WAS A I GOT TO TELL YOU THOUGH, IT WAS TIGHT.
THE CHAIR THOUGHT ABOUT IT LONG TIME BEFORE GIVEN THE 4TH POSITIVE VOTE TO APPROVE IT.
>> BASICALLY YOU GET 12305 IS SACRED AND CAN NEVER BE VIOLATED.
ONCE YOU BUILD AN OUTHOUSE ON FIVE-ACRE LOT, THAT'S IT.
YOU CAN NEVER SUB-DIVIDE THAT LOT AGAIN.
YOU CAN TELL THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THAT INTERPRETATION.
THAT'S WHY THEY GO TO CITY COMMISSIONER.
>> IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR. [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S WHY THEY GO TO CITY COMMISSION.
SOME OF THESE DECISIONS ARE JUST THEY PROBABLY NEED TO BE ELEVATED SITTING COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO IMPORTANT.
THE 3RD STREET, 4TH STREET CONVERSATION.
>> WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT, THAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
>> I BELIEVE WE'RE WAITING FOR MS. JOSEPHINE TO PROVIDE HER [OVERLAPPING]
>> GO INTO THIS BOLT CITY COMMISSION.
>> IT'S GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD STARTING TO BUILD ANYMORE.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE APPLICATION COMPLETE. WHEN AM I [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. LET'S GO BACK THROUGH HIS WHOLE PROCESS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE API ALTERNATING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.
>> IS IT YOUR INTERPRETATION THAT PLEASE STUFF THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CAN APPROVE AN ADJUSTMENT TO ONE ANOTHER DESPITE 10305 BECAUSE WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE OR THE CODE PROVISIONS THAT SPECIFICALLY POINT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AS BEING HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO SUB-DIVIDE LOTS BACK TO WHERE THEY USED TO BE.
>> IT'S ABOUT HOW WE HAVE INTERPRETED IT AND APPLIED THE SUBDIVISION SECTIONS OF THE CODE IN THE PAST.
WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN AND DOES NOT SEEK TO RESTORE THE UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD OR THEIR [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEN IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION FOR A PLOT.
>> GOING BACK TO EXISTING LOTS, IT'S LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT 71 SOUTH 6TH GOES TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
>> BECAUSE THEY'RE STORING THE UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD.
>> WE DON'T USE THE TERM UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD.
THAT'S JUST A TERM OF ART THAT'S NOT DEFINED IN OUR CODE.
THAT'S JUST A TERM OF ART WE USE HERE IN DESCRIBING THEM.
WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT'S THE SHADED LOTS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLOT.
>> THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN CURIOUS AS TO HOW WE GOT TO THEIR APPRECIATE VERY MUCH.
YOUR QUESTION, SIR COUNCIL? DON'T BRING US ANY OF THOSE.
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>> ANY BOARD OF TOBAGO, THAT WILL GO TO POLICY HERE.
DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS TONIGHT?
[9. PUBLIC COMMENT]
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO REACH OUR ATTENTION?>> YOU AWARDED ME TWO SECONDS?
>> PAUL LAURIE. 22794 LONG BEACH DRIVE 11 SOUTH SEVENTH STREET FOR ANYTHING A BEACH.
NO, I COME HERE SO I CAN TAKE A NAP FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
>> NOBODY BUGS ME HERE. [LAUGHTER] I'M TAKING SEEING YOU UP THERE, ARLENE.
>> I HAD TO RUN OUT OF THE LAST MEETING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE LAST TIME WHEN YOU ADJUSTED THE SCHEDULE TO GET ME UP FRONT.
THANKS AGAIN FOR THAT BUT WHAT I DIDN'T GET TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD HAS CONFIDENCE IN WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE HOUSE BECAUSE I ALWAYS LOOK AT BODY EXPRESSIONS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
THAT WITH THE PORCH WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH THAT IS NOT DEFICIENT AND STRUCTURAL.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE LIKE EVEN WHEN THE CONTRACTOR ARE JUST CAME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TO LOOK AT IT, TO DISMANTLE IT, TO GIVE US A BID.
I MADE SURE THAT I WAS THERE PRESENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AND WHAT THEY CAN TAKE HALLWAY IN A DUMPSTER.
ROBIN AND I HAVE WORKED THAT OUT AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'M THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT PROJECT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PORCH.
IT'S JUST I KNOW THAT EVERY REMEMBER I HAD AN OFFICE IN THAT BUILDING FOR YEARS AND I'M AFRAID EVERY TIME YOU OPEN A WALL, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A NEW SET OF NIGHTMARES. WE JUST HOPE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I CAN EITHER CONFIRM NOR DENY THAT HAS ALREADY.
>> [LAUGHTER] WE GET, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> WE, A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS IF AN ARCHITECT OR A CONTRACTOR HAS INSIGNIFICANT RECORD OF THE COMMUNITY DOING THE WORK, THEY'RE GOING TO GET THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT WHEN THEY GET HERE, SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AND THEY HAVE CUT CORNERS IN THE PAST OR THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE, THEN WE TEND TO PROBABLY ASK MORE PENETRATING QUESTIONS.
I THINK IT WAS ROBIN PLACE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? THEN I GUESS WE'RE DONE.
WOW [APPLAUSE]. LET ME BACKUP.
THANK YOU, SALLY FOR GOOD STAFF WORKERS ALWAYS.
MS. SYLVIA, WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
>> THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.