Jan 03, 2023 Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD EVENING. I'M ABOUT TO CALL TO ORDER THE JANUARY 3RD CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

IF YOU HAVE YOUR CELL PHONES, PLEASE SILENCE THEM.

COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE.

OBVIOUSLY BE NICE.

BE NICE. AND, CAROLINE, START WITH THE ROLL CALL.

THEY ARE BEING NICELY OUR STURGESS HERE.

COMMISSIONER ASKEW HERE, MR. ANTON HERE. COMMISSIONER ROSS HERE.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

YOU WANT TO START THAT, JAMES? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

REVEREND BERNARD, WILL YOU PLEASE LEAD US? LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER.

OH, GOD. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SO GOOD, BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR GOODNESS, YOUR MERCY AND YOUR GRACE.

FATHER, YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US FROM THE ROCKING OF OUR CRADLE TO THIS PRESENT TIME.

AND, LORD, WE SAY THANK YOU.

AND NOW, LORD, WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE IN THIS FIRST MEETING OF 2023 OF THE BERNADINO BEACH CITY COMMISSION.

WE PRAY YOU WILL LEAD AND GOD IN A MANNER THAT'S PLEASING.

AND OUR SITE. WE BE CAREFUL TO GIVE YOU THE PRAISES, THE HONOR AND THE GLORY AND THE PEOPLE OF GOD SAID, HEY, MAN, THANK YOU.

THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

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YOU CAN COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

AND WHO DO WE HAVE? SO THIS IS MITT AND HE IS A VERY SWEET FIVE YEAR OLD, WAS VERY INQUISITIVE ABOUT EVERYTHING.

I THINK HE'S GONE THROUGH EVERYBODY'S PURCHASE THAT HAS BEEN ON THE GROUND, TRIED TO DRINK COFFEE.

AND HE'S A VERY GOOD BOY.

HE KNOWS IT.

HE CAN FETCH UP.

HE CAN DO FETCH.

AND HE'S GOT A VERY INTERESTING CAR.

IT'S NOT VERY LOUD, BUT IT'S NOT VERY LOUD.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A LITTLE COUGH.

SO IF YOU LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND YOU WANT A QUIET DOG, HE'S FOR YOU AND HE'S HOUSEBROKEN.

SO HE IS READY FOR HIS HOME.

HE'S GOOD WITH KIDS. HE LOOKS GOOD ON A LEASH.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO SIT SHOTGUN IN YOUR CAR AND LIKE THIS.

AND IF ANYBODY WANTED TO ADOPT THEM, THEY JUST GO TO THE LICENSE ROAD.

YEAH, WELL, NO, YOU DON'T GO TO LICENSE ROAD.

IF YOU GO TO LICENSE ROAD, YOU WILL GO TO THE COUNTY SHELTER, WHICH IS FINE.

BUT. OH, I'M SORRY. WE ARE LOCATED ON AIRPORT ROAD 639 AIRPORT ROAD, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE AIRPORT.

AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF OUR DOGS AT OUR WEBSITE WHICH IS W W W DOT NASSAU DOT ORG.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.

BUT I WILL GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR COUNTY FRIENDS IF YOU DON'T FIND WHAT YOU LIKE OVER AT THE AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY, PLEASE DO CHECK OUT THE SHELTER OVER THE BRIDGE.

THEY ALSO HAVE LOTS OF DOGS AND CATS AND KITTENS WHO ALSO NEED HOME.

SO IF YOU ADOPT FROM ANY SHELTER YOU ARE SAVING.

AND THAT'S OUR GOAL. SO PLEASE, IF YOU DON'T FIND WHAT YOU LIKE ABOUT STEPHANIE, CHECK OUT AND GET THAT CAT.

THANK YOU FOR WRITING THEM.

THANK YOU. THANKS.

OH, NO WORRIES. NO WORRIES.

NO WORRIES. ALL RIGHT.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION OF THE GATEWAY SIGN REFURBISHMENT.

[4.1 PRESENTATION - GATEWAY SIGN REFURBISHMENT]

SO I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW MEMBERS, SO WELCOME.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JEFF DAWSON, WHO IS OUR DESIGNER.

HE'S WITH US TONIGHT AND HE'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION ITSELF.

SO THE GATEWAY TO THE CITY AT EIGHTH AND LIME IS MORE THAN JUST THE SIGN.

IT'S ALSO INCLUDING THE LANDSCAPE TREE CANOPY LIGHTING, THE SIGN ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND AN ACCOMPANYING PIECE ON THE LEFT SIDE.

SO THAT AS YOU APPROACH THAT AREA, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE ENTERING THE CITY ITSELF.

SO WE ARE WORKING TONIGHT ON A ON GETTING CONSENSUS ON THE DESIGN FOR THE SIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THE WAY THIS STARTED IS MAIN STREET WAS ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT THIS AREA BECAUSE EIGHTH STREET BECAME PART OF OUR MAIN STREET DISTRICT IN 2019.

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SO WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT THEN, BUT IT BECAME MORE OF AN EMERGENCY RECENTLY BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE SIGN.

AND THEN FINALLY, IN THE LAST HURRICANE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SIGN WAS REMOVED, WAS TORN OFF, AND SO BOTH SIDES WERE REMOVED.

SO WE'RE LEFT WITH THE CENTER SECTION.

SO IT'S BECOME MORE OF AN URGENT SITUATION THAT WE REFURBISH IT OR DO SOMETHING WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS CURRENTLY AN EYESORE.

THE FUNDS FOR THE DESIGN CAME OUT OF THE COUNTY PROGRAM FROM 2021.

IT WAS AN ENVIRONMENTAL BRANDING OF THE GATEWAYS FOR THE ISLAND.

THIS GATEWAY SIGN WAS PART OF THAT PROGRAM.

SO WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, WE ASKED THE COUNTY IF THEY WOULD RELEASE THE FUNDING FOR JUST THAT, THE DESIGN PORTION OF THAT SIGN.

SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THE FUNDING PIECE, BUT THEN WORKING WITH THE CITY TO DESIGN THE SIGN AND SPEARHEADED REALLY BY THE MAIN STREET DESIGN COUNCIL, WHICH IS MADE UP OF BOTH VOLUNTEERS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, LANDSCAPE DESIGNERS AND THEN ALSO CITY STAFF ARE REPRESENTED ON ON THAT COUNCIL.

SO BRIEFLY, LISA, BEFORE YOU CARRY ON, I WANT YOU TO STOP YOUR PRESENTATION.

BUT SO WE REACHED OUT MAIN STREET AND CITY EMPLOYEES REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY AND REQUESTED THEIR HELP WITH FUNDING, NOT NECESSARILY THE DESIGN, BUT JUST FUNDING AND TRYING TO GET THE GATEWAY TO OUR CITY IMPROVED BECAUSE IT WAS FALLING DOWN, CORRECT? RIGHT. WELL, BECAUSE IT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS PART OF THAT GATEWAY PROGRAM.

SO IT'S JUST THAT THERE WAS NO CLEAR TIMETABLE AS TO WHEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHEN THAT PROJECT WOULD HAPPEN.

SO WE JUST ASKED THE COUNTY IF WE COULD MAKE THAT MORE OF A PRIORITY SINCE WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH.

I GOT IT. SO THAT'S HOW THAT.

BUT THE FIRST CONCEPT ON THE DESIGN WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 15TH.

WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COMMISSION AND WE RECEIVED ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

AND OVERALL, THE THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE CITY COMMISSION WAS THAT THE SIGN BE CLEAN AND SIMPLE, THAT IT BE A TEXTURED, SOLID SURFACE, POSSIBLY COQUINA OR STUCCO, AND THAT THERE BE NO LATTICE THAT WE LOSE THE BOUGIE PART OF THE SIGN THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME.

AND SO WE TOOK ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE MET WITH OUR DESIGN COUNSEL AGAIN, WITH THE DESIGNER PRESENT ON THE PHONE AND WALK THROUGH ALL OF THAT, TALK THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

AND WE'VE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF NEW DESIGNS THAT JEFF IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH.

BUT I DID, YOU KNOW, IN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS IS NOT.

HEY. HEY. THE LAST TWO SIGNS THAT WE'VE HAD THERE.

THIS WAS A SIGN FROM THE 1950S WHERE WE WERE THE BUCCANEER CITY.

IS THAT A CORNFIELD? SURE. BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

YOU CAN SEE A PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT IS NOW ROLLINS BEHIND IT.

THAT'S STILL THERE.

AND THEN THIS IS THE CURRENT CITY WHERE OUR CURRENT SIGN THAT IS THERE NOW.

SO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

THIS ONE WAS PUT UP IN THE 1980S.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERY 30 TO 40 YEARS, WHETHER IT NEEDS IT OR NOT, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, LIKE I SAID, IS IS A GATEWAY REALLY TO THE CITY.

AND THAT WILL BE DURABLE AND LASTS US FOR THE NEXT HOPEFULLY LONGER THAN THAN THAT.

SO I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JEFF DAWSON.

I'M GOING TO STAY RIGHT HERE, THOUGH.

AND WE'RE HOPING THAT TONIGHT WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THE DESIGN FOR THE SIGN AND THEN ALSO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF.

THANK YOU. AS ALWAYS, I LOSE MY NOTES.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

I THINK WHAT I BROUGHT ON TO THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT ON TO THAT GREATER, LARGER PROGRAM FOR THE BEACH HARMONIZATION AND OVERALL GATEWAYS ONTO THE ISLAND, AND WE'VE GRAVITATED AWAY FROM THAT.

WHAT I'VE GOT FROM THE DESIGN CONSOLE THAT HAS BEEN HEADING UP IS THAT WE WANT SOMETHING THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THAT LARGER PROGRAM.

SO WE VARIED A LITTLE BIT FROM THE APPROACH THAT WE WERE TAKING THERE AND TO JUST DEVELOP A COUPLE OF CONCEPTS.

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HOW DO YOU ADVANCE THIS THIS BUTTON JUST GERMANE.

OH, MY NAME AND ADDRESS.

THAT'S GEOFF DAWSON. DAWSON ASSOCIATES.

WE'RE IN SCITUATE, MASSACHUSETTS, JUST SOUTH OF BOSTON.

AND 7816356199 IS MY CELL PHONE.

781544208. OH.

IS MY LANDLINE TO THE OFFICE? YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE INTERSECTION.

WHEN I SAW IT, YOU KNOW YOU GOT THE WALL THAT'S THERE.

BUT FROM MY STANDPOINT, YOU WANT TO BE PASSING THROUGH A GATEWAY AREA OF NATURAL LANDSCAPE.

AND WHAT I JUST RECENTLY FOUND OUT IS THAT THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS PURCHASED A WHILE BACK TO KEEP IT AS AN OPEN SPACE.

MY FIRM WAS A LUMBER COMPANY, I THINK, AND THE CITY BOUGHT IT.

I THINK WITH THAT PARCEL OF LAND AND THE PARCEL LAND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHEN YOU'RE COMING IN THAT YOU COULD CREATE A NATURAL GATEWAY, SOMETHING THAT HAS TWO TREES, THE BUSHES AND ALL THAT WITH PROPER LIGHTING.

SO I SEE IT AS MORE OF A NATURAL GATEWAY RATHER THAN PUTTING UP A SIGN.

SIGN IS CRITICAL.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

WE'VE GOT ON THE EAST SIDE.

WE'VE GOT THE SIGN WALL.

I'M CALLING. I'M CALLING. I'VE GOT AN ELEMENT CALLED THE KNEE HIGH.

I'VE GOT ELEMENTS FOR ADDING LANDSCAPING TO THE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND MAYBE SUPPLEMENTING A COUPLE OF LARGER TREES IN THERE TO CREATE A SCREEN EFFECT TO BLOCK OUT THE BUILDINGS BEHIND IT AND THE DRIVEWAY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN TO MIMIC THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, SAME APPROACH, MORE TREES, MORE LANDSCAPING, AND ADD A DESIGN ELEMENT OVER ON THAT SIDE AS WELL THAT WOULD COMPLEMENT THE SIDE WALL.

WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS DIMENSIONAL LETTERS.

RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT PAINTED LETTERS ON THE SIGN.

THEY DON'T DOESN'T HOLD UP.

IT HAS TO BE REPAIRED, MAINTAINED.

WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS LARGE DIMENSIONAL LETTERS, PROBABLY TWO INCH THICK, MAYBE A HIGH END ACRYLIC WITH AN AUTOMOBILE FINISH ON IT OR A METAL LETTER.

AND WE MIGHT WANT TO ANALYZE THAT LETTER.

SO THAT NEVER HAS TO BE PAINTED.

IT WOULD MAINTAIN ITS COLOR FOREVER.

AND THAT TO PUT THAT ON A NEW TEXTURED WALL, BECAUSE THE WALL SHOULD BE REHABBED, IT'S IT'S IN A STATE OF REPAIR WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

YOU CAN SEE THE CINDER BLOCK ON IT.

IT'S BEEN PAINTED NUMEROUS TIMES.

YOU CAN'T STUCK OVER PAINT, AS YOU KNOW.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RESKIN THAT WALL, REPAIR THE WALL.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANTED TO BRING AN IDENTIFICATION ELEMENT FOR THE CITY.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE THINKING OF IS A DIMENSIONAL LETTER, LIKE IN MATCHING THE DIMENSIONAL LETTERS THAT WE HAVE.

BUT I WOULD TAKE THE CITY SYMBOL AND EXTRACT THE PORTION OF IT THAT'S MORE GRAPHIC, WHICH IS THE LIGHTHOUSE AND THE FLAGS AND TURN IT INTO A NEW MODIFIED LOGO FOR THE CITY THAT COULD BE USED ON THE SIDE.

SO PUTTING THAT TOGETHER, WE WOULD HAVE FERNANDINA BEACH.

THE LETTER FORM KIND OF MATCHES THE HISTORIC NATURE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE DOWNTOWN.

SO WE'VE GOT THAT SERIF LOOKING TYPEFACE WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED AND OF COURSE A NEW MODIFIED CITY SEAL THAT WOULD GO ABOVE IT.

WE'VE ELIMINATED WORDS LIKE WELCOME TO PIRATE CITY OR WHATEVER IT USED TO BE.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, ADD LIGHTING TO ALL THE LANDSCAPE DOWN THERE.

SO YOU HAVE A VERY DRAMATIC ENTRANCE AT NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING IN SIGNS AND SOMETIMES ARE OVERLOOKED AT NIGHT.

AND I THINK THIS GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THEY'RE BOTH ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THAT BILLBOARD TYPE RECTANGLE SIGN AND WE ARCHED THE TOP AND WE'VE ADDED THE DIMENSIONAL LETTERS TO IT AND IT'S STUCCO IN STONE.

ALL THERE'S BULLDOZING ON IT.

SO IT'D BE A MATTER OF TAKING THAT HORIZONTAL PLANE THAT LOOKS LIKE A BILLBOARD, PUTTING A NICE ARCH ON TOP OF IT, ADDING BULL, NOSING AROUND IT IN STONE.

AND WE'RE THINKING LIMESTONE MIXED WITH THE STUCCO FINISHES.

WHAT'S BULLDOZING? WHAT IS BULLDOZING BULLDOZE IS WHEN YOU TAKE AN EDGE OF A MATERIAL AND YOU ROUND IT OUT.

I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT WHEN YOU BUT IT GIVES A NICE, SOFTER LOOK.

IT'S A VERY ELEGANT LOOK.

IT'S VERY STATELY.

AND SO BY UPPING THE MATERIALS ON THIS PARTICULAR SIGN, IT WOULD TAKE ON A WHOLE NEW DIMENSION FOR YOU.

WE ALSO LOOKED AT A SECOND ELEMENT BY ADDING PILLARS ON EITHER SIDE.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ALSO AN ELEMENT THAT WE ADD IT TO THE FRONT OF IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THAT SIGN IS SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIELD AND WE'VE GOT THIS LOWER EDGE HERE.

LET'S SEE IF THIS LIGHTS UP.

ANYBODY GOT A POINTER UP?

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THERE WE GO. I'M READ THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT HERE.

CHRISTMAS COLORS IS THAT WOULD BE TEN FEET IN FRONT OF US.

IT'S CURVED AND IT MATCHES THE CURVE OF THE SIGN ITSELF.

AND IT HELPS PULL A SIGN INTO THE ENVIRONMENT.

SO IT'S NOT SITTING OUT IN THE FIELD.

IT ALSO HIDES OUR LIGHTING THAT WOULD GO BEHIND IT.

SO. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THAT OTHER SIGN USED TO BE ABOUT SAFETY AND THE LIKE.

THERE'S A SIGN THERE.

WE'RE THINKING PUTTING FLAGPOLES THERE, AND WE'RE ALSO THINKING OF ADDING THAT SAME ELEMENT, THAT CURVE, SO THAT YOU GET CURVE ON ONE SIDE AND THAT LITTLE KNEE HIGH AND YOU PICK IT UP ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BLANKET OF LANDSCAPING BEHIND IT.

AND THEN WE JUST SUPERIMPOSED IT INTO A COUPLE OF IMAGES OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

AND BEFORE WE GO WAY DEEP INTO THE DETAIL OF MATERIALS AND ALL THAT, WE WANT TO KIND OF GET SOME ACCEPTANCE ON THIS.

SO I THINK LISA WILL CLOSE ON THAT.

BUT GOING FORWARD, I'VE TALKED TO LOCAL SUPPLIERS.

THIS CAN ALL BE DONE ON ISLAND.

THERE IS ONE SUPPLIER IN JACKSONVILLE WHO I MET WITH YESTERDAY WHO DOES PRECAST WORK.

HE LOOKED AT IT. HE GAVE ME IDEAS ON COST AND THE LIKE.

WHAT HE WOULD DO GAVE ME A COUPLE OF NAMES OF PEOPLE ON ISLAND STONEMASONS AND THE LIKE.

SO IT WAS A GOOD RESOURCE TO TALK TO YESTERDAY.

BUT AS WE GO FORWARD, WE WOULD MAKE A DIMENSIONAL LETTER, DO THE REAL MATERIALS, SHOW YOU WHAT EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE PRIOR TO STARTING ANY KIND OF FABRICATION? SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR JEFF OR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN.

BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT IS A CONSENSUS ON ON THE DESIGN.

AND AND IF WE IF WE HAVE THAT, GREAT.

AND THEN WE WOULD LOOK TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT PHASES SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS DONE.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, LISA.

AND AS WE GO INTO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING, COMMISSIONERS, I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A LITTLE BIT TARDY.

I'M EXCITED TO GO INTO WHERE I WAS DURING MY COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

WE WON'T GET THERE UNTIL A COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, BUT I JUST TOOK THE LAST FLIGHT OUT OF OUR NATION'S CAPITAL TO GET RIGHT BACK HERE IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING.

SO IT'S GREAT TO BE ONCE AGAIN WITH THE WITH THE CITY COMMISSION.

BUT AGAIN, LOOK FORWARD TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE I WAS.

BUT BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, LET'S GO TO VICE MAYOR STURGIS TO ASK ABOUT THIS SIGN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

I LIKE THE DESIGN WITH THE COLUMNS ON EACH SIDE, AND I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WHEN TOO MUCH DIFFERENCE, IT LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE.

JUST THE WAY THAT IS THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.

I PERSONALLY IT DOES NOT.

IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.

MY ONE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT IS THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHT OF THAT SIGN? COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING, THIS IS THIS IS BUILT ON THE SAME WALL.

SAME WALL. YES.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IF WE ADD THE COLUMNS AS OPPOSED TO AND JUMP IN, IF I'M SPEAKING INCORRECTLY, THIS SIGN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE WITHOUT THE COLUMNS IS EXACTLY THE BASE FOR THAT.

THE ONLY PIECE THAT'S ADDED IS THE CURVED TOP.

SO THAT WOULD BE OVER WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IF WE DO THE COLUMNS.

WE WERE OUT AT THE SIGN SITE WITH JEREMIAH TODAY LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITIES THERE.

THE COLUMNS MAY GO OVER THE SIDES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE, WHICH WOULD KEEP IT AT ABOUT THE SAME WIDTH RATHER THAN BEING PLACED ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.

SO BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO REWORK WHAT WE HAVE THERE, RIGHT? JUST ADD A LITTLE BIT TO IT AND THE CURVED TOP TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE.

YES, IT LOOKS GREAT TO ME.

THAT'S MY COMMENT. MY FIRST COMMENT.

IT LOOKS GREAT WISE.

IT'S 20 FEET ACROSS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ASKEW.

HOW DO WE PAY FOR THIS? THAT MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION.

SO THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO DO WHAT WE DID WITH THE DESIGN COSTS ELEMENT, AND THAT IS TO GO BACK TO THE COUNTY.

ONCE WE HAVE A DESIGN AND ONCE WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO BE.

WE DO HAVE A HIGH LEVEL ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW THAT WE THINK WE CAN WORK WITHIN THAT RANGE.

AND THAT'S SOMEWHERE, I BELIEVE, IN THE 38 TO 50000 RANGE FOR THE PROJECT.

WE ALSO, IN TALKING TO JEREMIAH, BELIEVE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OF THAT THAT CAN BE DONE WITH CITY STAFF.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES THERE.

BUT WE WE WOULD TALK TO THE COUNTY FOR THE FUNDS THAT THAT WERE WITHIN THAT SAME PROGRAM AGAIN.

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OTHERWISE, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING BUDGETED FOR THIS PARTICULAR SIGN WITHIN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THERE ARE OTHER PLACES AND I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.

IT WOULD BE PROBABLY BETTER TO HEAR FROM JEREMIAH ON THIS.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER FUNDS FOR TREE CANOPY AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE IF WE WANTED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN THIS YEAR, WHICH WAS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.

QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THESE THINGS? THEY THIS IS SUPERIMPOSED ON THE ACTUAL PICTURE.

SO THOSE ARE THE EXISTING POLES.

THEY'LL GO AWAY. YEAH, THEY'LL GO AWAY.

ANTENNA. SO THOSE ARE INTENDED FOR THE MARSHES.

I KNOW. YEAH.

IT'S AN ELEMENT. IT'S A SIMPLE, ELEGANT DESIGN.

I LIKE IT. AND THAT WAS THE DIRECTIVE.

SIMPLE, ELEGANT.

AND I PARTICULARLY LIKE THE LANDSCAPING IDEA WITH THE COMING IN.

AND I THINK YOU'VE DONE A VERY NICE JOB.

THANK YOU. I MIGHT ADD THAT THE MATERIALS.

AND COULD YOU PLEASE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE AS WELL? SO THE PEOPLE AT HOME COULD HEAR YOU.

THE MATERIALS THAT WE WANT TO PICK ARE REALLY SOLID MATERIALS.

THEY LAST. SO IF WE MAKE AN INVEST IN A SIGN LIKE THIS, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK IN TEN YEARS TO FIX IT AGAIN.

SO I'M LOOKING AT REALLY LONG TERM TYPE SOLUTIONS ON IT.

STONE THE STUCCO WOULD PROBABLY BE THE WEAKEST ELEMENT.

THE METAL LETTERS WILL LAST BE ANODIZED THEM.

YOU NEVER HAVE TO PAINT THEM AGAIN.

SO IT COULD BE A SOLID SOLUTION.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ANTON.

I WOULD SUPPORT COMMISSIONER ASKEW, WHO'S COMMENTS AS FAR AS HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS AND POSSIBLY GRACIOUSLY ASKING OUR COUNTY FRIENDS TO HELP WITH THIS, OR EVEN PROPOSING PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IF THERE WAS ANY INTEREST IN OFFERING LABOR AND GIVING SOME KIND OF CITY RECOGNITION FOR THE HELP ON SUCH A PROJECT.

THANK YOU. AND ONCE AGAIN, COMMISSIONER, I ASK YOU.

YEAH, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY LIKE THE OLD SIGN, JUST HISTORICAL FROM A HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THINGS.

THAT'S NOT A BAD DESIGN.

MEAN YOU CAN SIGN OR THE OLD SIGN.

YEAH. SO WHAT YOU GOT HERE IS ELEGANT.

IT'S NICE. IT'S VERY.

YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.

I'M PARTIAL TO THE OLD SIGN.

I WOULD JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING COST AND WE'RE TALKING REPAIRS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF CITY STAFF COULD MAYBE PUT TOGETHER WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPAIR WHAT WE HAD JUST FOR COMPARISON ASPECT OF THINGS.

AND MR. MARTIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT. OR JEREMIAH I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD WHO WOULD COME UP WITH THAT.

BUT JUST FOR COMPARISON ASPECT OF THINGS WHERE WE WOULD GET MONEY TO REPAIR OR, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE OLD ONE VERSUS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET FUNDS FOR THAT ONE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SEVERAL PEOPLE UP HERE WHO SAY THAT'S A GOOD LOOKING SIMPLISTIC SIGN.

IT'S VERY GOOD.

I BELIEVE WHAT LISA IS LOOKING FOR IS, IS SHE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? RIGHT. IS THIS SIGN ONE THAT YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO THE NEXT PHASE? I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? THAT'S EXACTLY IT. WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE HAVE AND PUT THE THE REQUEST REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL TOGETHER ALONG WITH JEREMIAH AND AND MOVE FORWARD TO ACTUALLY GET COSTS AND AND FIND OUT WHO COULD CARRY IT OUT FOR US.

YES, MA'AM. WELL, I WOULD AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE TO MY LEFT THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD LOOKING SIGN.

SO I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT THERE.

AND SO BEFORE AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING IT TO US AND ALL THE WORK THAT MAIN STREET HAS PUT IN TO CREATING SUCH A GOOD DESIGN THERE.

COMMISSIONERS, CAN WE GIVE HER CONSENSUS THAT SHE'S ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO WHAT A GOOD LOOKING SIGN WOULD LOOK LIKE TO OUR COMMUNITY? IN ADDITION TO WHAT COMMISSIONER ASKEW BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE COST AND FINANCIALS, I'M SURE I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A NEW SIGN, IS THIS A DESIGN THAT WE CAN GET BEHIND? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I AGREE.

I LIKE IT. YES.

RIGHT. WE HAVE. YES. AND THEN IT'S IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED A FEW MONTHS AGO AT THAT POINT.

WELL, MS.. LISA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

I THINK YOU DO HAVE THAT CONSENSUS.

SO IT'S A REAL CONCERN.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN. AND JUST TO CLARIFY.

PILLARS, NO PILLARS WAS THERE OR NO STRONG OR ANYTHING.

I LIKE THE PILLARS.

I THINK IT LOOKS VERY ATTRACTIVE WITH THE PILLARS.

IT GIVES IT A SQUARE PLAIN LOOK.

I THINK IT LOOKS BARE WITHOUT THEM.

YES, THAT LOOKS MUCH BETTER.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GO ON A LIMB AND SAY IT'S LET'S PILLAR.

LET'S COVER IT UP. THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

THANK YOU. THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

AND OBVIOUSLY, REGARDING THE FUNDING, WE NEED TO GET ACTUAL COSTS.

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SO WE'LL CERTAINLY BE BACK WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO US.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEM FIVE, PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.

[5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

FIRST, IF YOU DO WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM NOT ON THE AGENDA, THERE IS STILL TIME TO FILL THE FORM OUT, TURN IT INTO CAROLINE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT GETS RECORDED AND YOU CAN BE CALLED UP.

BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WE WANT TO CALL OUT MR. PAUL LAURIE TO TALK ABOUT BEACH PARKING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

PAUL LAURIE TO SEVEN NINE FOR LONGBOAT DRIVE FOR AGENDA BEACH, FLORIDA.

AND BEFORE I BEGIN, I DO WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS ON ON YOUR RECENT APPOINTMENTS AND ALSO NEW MR. MAYOR. YEAH, VERY EXCITING.

I'M GOING TO BE REALLY BRIEF AND QUICK.

IT'S KIND OF IRONIC FOR ME.

LAST YEAR I WAS ON THE OCEAN.

I DID SEND MS..

BESS A VIDEO THAT COULD BE POSTED UP ON THE SCREEN, AND IT DID SHOW.

AND THE IRONIC PART, I THINK, WAS I THINK I TALKED ABOUT NO PAID BEACH PARKING WHEN I WAS CROSSING THE ATLANTIC OCEAN.

AND NOW HERE I AM A YEAR LATER AND THE SUBJECT IS COMING UP AGAIN.

SO AS A RESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO REALLY VOICE MY ADVOCACY FOR ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO PAID BEACH PARKING. I WILL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO AS A SINGLE RESIDENT TO RALLY WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE TO TRY TO MAKE THAT NOT HAPPEN.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT REVENUE STREAMS THAT ARE THAT ARE OUT THERE.

I GET SCARED WHEN I SEE WORDS LIKE BEACH HARMONIZATION, AMELIA ISLAND PARKING AUTHORITY.

I LOVE THE PEOPLE OF THE TDC.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PARTS THAT THEY DO A REALLY FABULOUS JOB.

BUT TO CREATE ANOTHER ENTITY OF SOMETHING I THINK IS REALLY ACTUALLY SCARY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT PAID BEACH PARKING REPRESENTS OUR SMALL, SMALL COMMUNITY.

SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.

THANKS. HAVE A GREAT EVENING.

THANK YOU. MR. LAURIE. WE'D LIKE TO INVITE KIM WOOLFORD TO THE STAND.

TO STAND UP TO THE PODIUM ARE SAY, NOT A COURTROOM, NOT A QUORUM.

THANK YOU, MR. KIM. HI, I'M KIM WOOLFORD.

I LIVE AT 1315 BROOME STREET.

I LIVE BY YOUR NEPHEW OR YOUR COUSIN RIGHT BEHIND THE FUNERAL HOME.

IT'S A SHORT RIDE FOR ME.

LATER IN LIFE. I DO WANT TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO OUR CITY COUNCIL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MAKE, BUT I THINK SOON YOU'LL FIND IT'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH.

THIS CAME UP AT THE CITY PLANNING BOARD MEETING.

THE BILL OF RIGHTS OF OUR US CONSTITUTION ALLOWS ME TO BRING A PUBLIC RECORD AT THAT TIME OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, THE DEVELOPER IN QUESTION FOR THE TRIANGLE PROPERTY HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN 31 LAWSUITS IN 17 YEARS.

CALL ME CRAZY. I THINK THAT'S A BIT EXCESSIVE.

VERY SADLY, ON DECEMBER 2ND OR DECEMBER 22ND OF 2022, THE DEVELOPER OF THE TWIN DAILY PROJECT FILED A YET ANOTHER LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY.

YOU CAN ALL FIND IT AS PUBLIC RECORD.

IT IS ON THE NASSAU COUNTY.

I GUESS IT'S THE CIRCUIT COURT WEBSITE AGAIN IS PUBLIC RECORD FOR ANYBODY TO READ.

AND HERE'S SOME GOOD BEDTIME READING.

SO THANK YOU ANYWAY AND GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS. WE APPRECIATE YOU.

AND THEN FINALLY TO THE PODIUM, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE MS..

TANNER CHRISTNER.

CHRISTNER. YEAH.

THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE APPRECIATE YOU.

HI. MY NAME IS TINA CHRISTNER.

I LIVE AT 406 BEACH STREET IN FERNANDINA BEACH.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS, MAYOR BEING AND ALSO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU TO OUR TWO NEW CITY COMMISSIONERS.

I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE TRIANGLE PROJECT PROSPECT RE PLAT APPROVAL PROCESS AND HOW MANY OF US IN THE CITY FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY.

I'M VERY NEW TO CITY POLITICS.

I ONLY GOT INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS PROPOSED CATTY CORNER TO ME, AND I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY OWN PROPERTY RIGHTS, NOT JUST THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

SO I'M HERE DEFENDING MY OWN PROPERTY RIGHTS.

I REACHED OUT AT THAT TIME TO THE PLANNING GROUP, THE PLANNING STAFF OF THE CITY, AND I ASKED THEM WHAT THE WHAT THE PROCESS WAS FOR THIS

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AND IF PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD APPROVES IT, IT WILL THEN GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

SO WE WENT ON OUR WAY AS CITIZENS TO BRING UP OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

MANY CITIZENS SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS RESEARCHING THIS AND WE WENT AND PRESENTED, I THOUGHT, A WONDERFUL CASE TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

I HAVE TO GIVE KUDOS TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

UNPAID CITIZEN VOLUNTEERS.

LISTEN TO US.

MANY OF THEM, YOU COULD TELL, SPENT HOURS RESEARCHING THIS WHOLE CONCEPT, AND THEY AGREED WITH US UNANIMOUSLY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE HEAD OF THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE MISREADING AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, ARE MISREADING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE COME TO THEM. THEY REJECTED THE PROPOSAL UNANIMOUSLY AND SAID IT SHOULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SO I LEFT THAT MEETING THINKING, WOW, THIS PROCESS IS WORKING.

CITY POLITICS REALLY WORK.

I HEAR ABOUT A WEEK LATER THAT THIS HEAD OF THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE DECIDED TO IGNORE THAT BOARD AND INSTEAD SEND IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECTLY.

AND IT'S ON THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR YOUR JANUARY 17TH MEETING.

IMAGINE MY DISAPPOINTMENT AND THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF SO MANY CITIZENS WHO HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN THIS.

WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN TREATED UNFAIRLY.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HOPE YOU LISTEN TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND WHEN IT COMES IN FRONT OF YOU ASKED TO HAVE DONE WHAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD ASKED AND HAVE IT GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND MAYBE COME BACK TO YOU LATER, BUT FOLLOW THE PROCESS.

AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO I'VE TALKED TO THROUGHOUT THIS WHO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST THEM AND I'M STARTING TO UNDERSTAND WHY.

SO PLEASE HELP OUR PERCEPTION OF CITY GOVERNMENT.

PLEASE FOLLOW THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

DON'T JUST FOLLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY'S INTERPRETATION, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE PAGE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SHE GETS THAT INTERPRETATION.

I'VE HEARD HER DESCRIBE IT THREE TIMES.

IT'S COMMAS.

IT WILL TAKE ME ALL NIGHT TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER REQUESTS TO SPEAK BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM OF THE AGENDA? THIS COULD BE ANYTHING. IT'S ANY ITEM.

NOT ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT, SEE, NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, RESOLUTIONS 6.1 MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

[6.1 MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING - NORTHEAST FLORIDA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, LOCAL 630, LABORERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA, AFL-CIOCLC]

MATTSON COME AND PROVIDE SORT OF A SUMMARY.

SHE DID A LOT OF THE WORK ON THIS ONE, SO IT'S.

MATTSON GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

DENISE MATTSON HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR THIS AGENDA ITEM IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LABOR AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR GENERAL EMPLOYEES UNION, WHICH IS THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.

LOCAL 630 THIS IS WE'VE RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED A NEW PAYROLL SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES A TIME AND ATTENDANCE SYSTEM, AND THIS AMENDS THEIR UNION CONTRACT ON JUST A COUPLE OF ARTICLES THAT WE NEEDED TO CLARIFY FOR THAT IMPLEMENTATION.

AND THAT CLARIFIES SOME OF THE POLICY LANGUAGE IN THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE UNION.

SO IT'S REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO HEAR A MOTION MOVE, TO APPROVE A SECOND MOTION, THE SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? ST NUN, CITY CLERK WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE? COMMISSIONER ROSS. YES.

VICE MAYOR. STURGESS YES.

COMMISSIONER ANTON YES.

COMMISSIONER ASKEW YES.

AND MAY IRVING. YES.

THANK YOU, MISS, PLEASE. ITEM 6.2 AWARD OF BID.

[6.2 AWARD OF BID #23-03 - ROGERS ROOFING CORP DBA PROFESSIONAL ROOF SYSTEMS]

IT'S THE ORIGINAL ROOF, AND THAT'S AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE.

WE RECEIVE THREE BIDS AND STAFF RECOMMENDS GOING WITH THE LOW BID WITH ROGERS ROOFING.

DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

SECOND MOTION THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER ANTON, JUST FOR SAKE OF RECORD, I KNOW WE MENTIONED THIS WITH SOME THINGS ON THE LAST PROJECT, BUT WE ARE STILL WELL UNDER BUDGET WITH THIS, ARE WE NOT? YES. WONDERFUL.

ABSOLUTELY. AND ACTUALLY, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

IF YOU COULD SEE IN YOUR BACKUP, THE BID RESULT CAME IN SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME ROTTEN CHEATING AND STUFF THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED WHEN WE TAKE THE SHINGLES OFF.

SO THERE'S A CONTINGENCY THERE TO ALLOW FOR THAT.

BUT YEAH, WE'RE UNDER BUDGET. AWESOME.

THANKS. TURNOUT WITH THAT CITY CLERK.

WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE? VICE MAYOR STURGIS? YES, COMMISSIONER ANTON? YES, MR. ASKEW? YES, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YES, MAYOR. YES.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I'M MOVING ON.

6.3 PROPOSAL APPROVAL CONCRETE CONSERVATION LLC.

[6.3 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - CONCRETE CONSERVATION, LLC]

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THIS IS A APPROVAL OF A PIGGYBACK CONTRACT.

CONTRACT CONTRACT CONSERVATIONIST COMPANY WE'VE USED FOR MANHOLE LINING IN THE PAST.

THIS IS REHABILITATION OF OUR SANITARY SEWER GRAVITY STRUCTURES.

AND THEY'VE WERE AWARDED BID WITH GE.

THEY HAVE EXTENDED THAT PRICING TO THE CITY.

SO RECOMMENDED PROOF.

THANK YOU, MR. TESLA. DO WE HAVE MENTION I MAKE A MOTION FOR SECOND.

MOTION TO SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CALL THE VOTE.

CITY CLERK, IF YOU COULD SWEAR.

STURGESS. YES, MR. ANTON. YES, MR. ROSS. YES, MR. ASKEW? YES. YES.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DASCHLE.

ITEM 6.4 BUDGET AMENDMENT AND SOLE SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL.

[6.4 BUDGET AMENDMENT AND SOLE SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL - FREEMAN WELL DRILLERS, INC]

THIS ONE'S MINE. AGAIN, THIS IS OUR DEEP WELL REHABILITATION FOR OUR WATER PLANTS.

WE ARE SCHEDULED TO DO.

WE DID, TOO, LAST YEAR.

THIS IS FOR THE NEXT BATCH.

FREEMAN WELL, DRILLERS CONSTRUCTED THOSE WELLS.

THEY'VE DONE ALL THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE FACILITIES FOR US AND FOR CONTINUITY AND KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE THOSE CRITICAL SYSTEMS. WE RECOMMEND APPROVING THEM AS A SOLE SOURCE VENDOR FOR THIS WORK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION OR APPROVAL.

SECOND MOTION THE SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR STURGES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. BRIEFLY, THIS IS JUST IN CYCLE, RIGHT, ANDRE? THESE ARE IN CYCLE. THIS IS DUE TO BE DONE ACCORDING TO MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? YES, EXACTLY. THERE'S NO.

THERE'S NO BREAKAGE.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S HAPPENED.

IT'S JUST PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE.

PREVENT. THIS IS PM BASICALLY.

EXACTLY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT THE THE PRICING IS SOMEWHAT OPEN ENDED BECAUSE UNTIL WE OPEN IT UP WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO THE WELL.

RIGHT. SO THIS COVERS ALL THE CONTINGENCIES THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING.

I FIGURED THAT WAS THE CASE.

I FIGURED IT'S HIGH FOR A REASON AND IT COULD BE LESS DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU GET IN THERE.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU.

WE MOST LIKELY NOT GOING TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE PRICE? MAYOR STURGIS? YES.

YES. MR. ROSS.

YES, MR. ANTON.

YES, MAYOR B YES, THAT ALSO PASSES FIVE ZERO.

ITEM 6.5 SOLE SOURCE APPROVAL OLSON AND ASSOCIATES, CITY ENGINEER.

[6.5 SOLE SOURCE APPROVAL - OLSEN AND ASSOCIATES]

AFTER HURRICANE NICOLE, WE MET WITH THE CORPS DOWN AT THE BEACH TO LOOK AT THE POST STORM DAMAGE ASSESSMENT, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE HAD A LEGITIMATE CHANCE TO GET FEDERAL ASSISTANCE, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, TO REPLENISH THE LOSS OF THE SAND IN THE FEDERAL PROJECT AND WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED TO SPEED THE PROCESS UP AND GIVE US EVEN A BETTER OUTLOOK ON GETTING IT WAS TO PERFORM A BEACH GRADE SURVEY OF THAT AREA SO THAT WE COULD THEN PROVIDE THEM WITH SOMETHING TO COMPARE THEIR LAST SURVEY TO TO THIS TO SHOW HOW MUCH IS LOST.

IF THEY DID THE SURVEY, IT WOULD BE LATE SPRING BEFORE THEY COULD GET TO IT AND THEY SAID IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE BENEFICIAL IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE.

NOW, WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS TO GET IT DONE.

OLSON ASSOCIATES HAS BEEN A LONG TIME CONSULTANT FOR FUNDING THE BEACH, WORKING ON ALL THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECTS AND THE MONITORING AND ALL THAT FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO WE REACHED OUT TO THEM TO PERFORM THE SURVEY, AND THIS IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THEM AS A SOLE SOURCE AND THE CONTRACT FOR 30,000 TO DO THE SURVEY THAT WE CAN THEN SUBMIT TO THE CORPS TO GET THEIR PROCESS GOING.

THANK YOU. MR. GEORGE. DO I HEAR A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND MOTION.

THE SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? VICE MAYOR STURGIS? YES. YES.

MR. ASKEW. YES, MR. ROSS. YES, MAYOR. YES.

THANK YOU, MR. GEORGE. APPRECIATE YOU.

THAT PASSED FIVE ZERO. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO ITEM 6.6 AWARD OF RFP 20 2209060.

[6.6 AWARD OF RFP 22-09]

THIS IS APPROVAL FOR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT LIGHTING DESIGN.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CHANGING OUT THE ANTIQUATED AND LIMITING AMOUNT OF MATERIALS THAT WE CAN REPLACE THE LIGHTS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. SO WE WENT OUT FOR PROPOSALS AND GOT THREE FIRMS TO SUBMIT PROPOSALS TO DO THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT SITE INVESTIGATION AND THE PERMITTING.

THIS ISN'T TO INSTALL.

IT'S MAINLY TO JUST DO AN ANALYSIS, COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON THE DESIGN, SO THEN WE COULD THEN GO INTO THE NEXT PHASE.

WE HAD THREE PROPOSALS.

MILLER ELECTRIC WAS THE LOW BID AND THE BID PRICE WAS A MAJOR FACTOR IN THE EVALUATION.

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MR. GEORGE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND QUESTION.

THE SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR STURGIS. THANK YOU.

CHARLIE, IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING OUT TO GET THIS DESIGN, AND WE.

AND I KNOW WE NEED THE LIGHTING.

IS THIS A BUDGETED ITEM IN OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR? YES, IT IS A BUDGET.

YEAH, WE HAD THAT IN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET TO DO THIS.

START THE START OF THIS WHOLE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT LIGHTING PROGRAM.

SO IT'S BUDGETED ALREADY? YES. THIS IS ANYTHING NEW? NO, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTIONS.

SEE? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

CITY CLERK WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? SPICER STURGIS. YES, COMMISSIONER ANTON.

YES. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YES, COMMISSIONER ASKEW.

YES. THERE BEING YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO.

[6.7 SOLE SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL - SCHWALLS CONSULTING, LLC.]

STILL HERE. CHARLIE GEORGE AGAIN, DALE SOLES CONSULTING LLC IS OUR SOLE SOURCE PROVIDER TO HELP US WITH OUR FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT AND OUR CRSS AND THE INSURANCE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH WITH THE FLOODPLAIN.

THIS IS JUST BASICALLY TO CONTINUE ON HAVING HIM AS OUR CONSULTANT TO HELP US THROUGH THOSE DIFFERENT PROCESSES AND HELPS KEEP INSURANCE RATES DOWN AND THAT KIND OF THINGS TO WHERE WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AN ON CALL FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT SERVICE NOT TO EXCEED 56,500, MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

I HEAR A MOTION A SECOND AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE IS BEST.

WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE PRESS, MAYOR STURGES? YES, COMMISSIONER ASKEW.

YES, COMMISSIONER. YES, MR. ROSS. YES, MAYOR. YES.

THAT ALSO PASSES FIVE ZERO.

ITEM 6.8 PROPOSAL APPROVAL.

[6.8 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - WATER AND SEWER FORCE MAIN EXTENSION]

MAIN EXTENSION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT TO EXTEND THE FORCE.

MAIN WATER AND SEWER.

WATER AND SEWER DOWN. GROW AMELIA ROAD FROM GROW POINT.

GROW PARK ROAD TO SIMMONS ROAD.

IT HELPS TO JUST GET THAT WATER SERVICE AND SEWER SERVICE TO TO THE CITY PROPERTIES DOWN THERE AND ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HELP WITH ANNEXATION IN THE FUTURE.

SO WE WENT OUT FOR A PROPOSAL BASED ON OUR A CONTRACT WITH GILLETTE AND ASSOCIATES, AND THEY PROVIDED US A PROPOSAL OF 30,700, WHICH WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO DO THAT DESIGN.

MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND MOTION THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR SERVICE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO HAVE TO BRIEFLY TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SAY I LOVE IT WHEN YOU SAY ANNEXATION.

EVERY TIME YOU SAY IT, YOU'RE TALKING.

THAT'S LIKE I CAN HEAR IT.

IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S BEAUTIFUL SOUND TO MY EARS.

CARRY ON. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.

WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTES FIRST? MAYOR STURGEON? YES, COMMISSIONER ANTON.

YES, MR. ASKEW? YES, MR. ROSS.

YES, MAYOR. BEEN AND YES, ONE LAST RESOLUTION.

[6.9 PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT - BUDGET AMENDMENT - KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES, INC.]

BUDGET AMENDMENT. KIMBERLY HAWN AND ASSOCIATES, INC..

OKAY. THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR TO DO THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE IF THERE'S REPAIRS NEEDED, IF THERE'S. ISSUES GOING ON AND BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT FACILITY ONCE WE KNOW THIS INFORMATION.

SO WE WENT OUT FOR PROPOSALS AGAIN, BASED ON OUR CNA.

AND KIMBERLY HORNE IS A QUALIFIED STRUCTURAL ASSESSMENT FIRM, VERY WELL KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST.

THEY PROVIDED US THE PRICE OF $22,800 TO DO THIS ASSESSMENT, AND WE'LL TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT WE FIND AS FAR AS RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANYTHING WE HAVE TO DO.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND, MOTION TO THE SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ONCE AGAIN, VICE MAYOR STURGES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SAY THIS IS A GREAT THING.

WE NEED TO REPAIR OUR REC CENTER.

I'M LONG OVERDUE.

I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR ABOUT IT.

REPAIR FACILITIES.

REPAIR FACILITIES, REPAIR FACILITIES.

IT'S TIME TO DO IT.

THANK YOU, MR. ANTON. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS PRIOR TO ME BEING SEATED HERE, WE ROUGHLY ESTIMATED SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 300,000 IN IMPROVEMENTS. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS GOING TO CLARIFY EXACTLY THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AND HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

YES. YES. WHAT WE DID WE HAD SOME PRELIMINARY LOOKS AT IT A YEAR OR SO AGO.

SO WE HAD A FEEL FOR WHAT WE THINK THE ISSUES ARE.

BUT THE LAST ASSESSMENT WE HADN'T DONE RECOMMENDED WE GET A STRUCTURAL EXPERT IN HERE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

SO THIS SHOULD HELP CONFIRM EITHER WHAT WE THINK OR WHAT NOT.

AND THEN WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS AFTER THAT.

GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE?

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YES, MR. TOM? YES, MR. ROSS.

YES, MAYOR B YES, THAT ALSO PASSES FIVE ZERO.

BRING US INTO ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS ORDINANCES SECOND READING, ITEM 7.1 PAY AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN.

[7.1 PAY AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN]

PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON SECOND READING.

PUBLIC OPEN PUBLIC.

EXCUSE ME. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? SEEING NONE. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSE.

DO WE STILL VOTE ON THIS? YES, SIR, WE DO. DO I HEAR MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE IT.

SECOND MOTION A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE JUST HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT MIGHT CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR IF THIS CLASSIFICATION AND PAY IS IN SHAPE? LET ME JUST SCROLL DOWN IN HERE AND THERE'S AN EXHIBIT ATTACHED AFTER THE DISPLAY ITEMS. NO, I DON'T SEE IT.

ABOUT IF I CAN GO OUT ON A LIMB. CAN WE CALL UP OUR HR DIRECTOR? I THINK SHE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT INTO COMMISSIONER ANTON'S QUESTION.

DENISE MATTSON, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR.

A LOT OF THE TITLES WERE JUST OVER THIS PAST YEAR.

WE IMPLEMENTED A NEW PATENT CLASSIFICATION PLAN LAST APRIL, AND SINCE THEN SOME OF THE TITLES HAVE HAVE BEEN MODIFIED, SO THIS CORRECTS THOSE TITLES. ALSO, SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE LOOKING TOWARDS THE FUTURE POTENTIALLY MODIFYING POSITION TITLES OR EVEN POTENTIALLY REQUESTING NEW POSITIONS IN FUTURE BUDGETS.

SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SET THAT GROUNDWORK IN THIS NEW PAY PLAN.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, SEBASTIAN.

WE APPRECIATE YOU. SO WE HEARD A MOTION IN A SECOND.

WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL IT OUT? I SEE YOUR STURGIS. YES, MR. ASKEW? YES, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YES, MR. ANTON.

YES, MAYOR BEAN.

AND YES, THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO.

ITEM 7.2 CODE AMENDMENT GROUP INSURANCE ORDINANCE 2022, DASH 36, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER

[7.2 CODE AMENDMENT - GROUP INSURANCE]

BY REMOVING COMMISSIONERS AS ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE GROUP INSURANCE BENEFITS, AMENDING SECTION 60 2-1 62, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO WISH WOULD ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON SUCH THIS ISSUE? SEE, NONE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED TO HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND MOTION TO THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE, VICE MAYOR STURGIS, I WILL TAKE THE BRIEF MOMENT TO SAY WHAT I'VE ALREADY SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE THIS, THAT I DO FEEL THAT THIS POSITION AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, AS OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS, WILL FIND OUT.

IT IS MORE TIME AND INVOLVING THAN ONE WOULD THINK.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT NOW THAT WE'RE STRIPPING TEN OR 12,000 WITH A BENEFIT IN THE NEAR FUTURE AND FUTURE MEETINGS, WE CAN DISCUSS A POSSIBLE PAY RAISE INSTEAD OF HEALTH INSURANCE, NOT FOR US TO HAVE IT, BUT IN THE FUTURE.

AS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SAY THAT IT'S BEEN REMOVED AS A POSITION AND AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE SMALLER THAN THE COUNTY, BUT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ALL RECEIVE HEALTH CARE AND BENEFITS AND OBVIOUSLY A MUCH LARGER SALARY.

BUT SOME DAYS I FEEL THAT I'M OBVIOUSLY RAISING MORE AND TAKING IN MORE CALLS, TAKING IN MORE EMAILS.

AND DEFINITELY IT'S A HIGH HOLLY OUR EVOLVED POSITION.

SO ESPECIALLY IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE CITY AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO THE JOB CORRECTLY.

SO THAT'S IT. I JUST WANT TO PUT MY INPUT ON THAT AND MOVE ON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS.

MAYOR. COMMISSIONER ASKEW.

YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

FOR CLARIFICATION, I JUST WE KIND OF DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THIS REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT COMMISSIONERS ARE PART TIME EMPLOYEES AND NOT ELIGIBLE FOR FOR INSURANCE, CORRECT? YES. DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? WELL, I THINK IT WOULD KIND OF HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING WE'RE STRIPPING COMMISSIONERS OF OF INSURANCE. IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH JUST THE WAY THE POLICY IS SET UP.

AND I WOULD AFTER THAT, I'D MAKE A COMMENT JUST BRIEFLY AFTER YOU EXPLAIN IT.

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SO THIS IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT OUR GROUP INSURANCE HEALTH PLAN, OUR OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN FOR CITY EMPLOYEES UNDER THE PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL, WHICH IS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION, IT ALLOWS FOR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES TO GET THE HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFITS.

SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO AND REVIEW THE CITY'S HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN, THE PLAN USES THE TERM EMPLOYEES.

SO I TOOK THAT AND I SENT IT TO AN EXPERT LEGAL HEALTH BENEFITS EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ATTORNEY TO REVIEW OUR HEALTH PLAN, HEALTH PLAN, AND ALSO REVIEW OUR PERSONNEL POLICY MANUAL.

AND SHE WROTE BACK IN AN OPINION AND A MEMORANDUM THAT IT IS NOT IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE PLAN TO COVER CITY COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE PRESUMABLY PART TIME.

WE HAVEN'T DEFINED COMMISSIONERS AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN EMPLOYEES, SO WE ASSUME IT'S PART TIME BECAUSE OF THE TIME THAT YOU SPEND HERE.

AND WE COULD CHANGE THE DEFINITION, BUT WE HAVEN'T YET.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE HEALTH PLAN ITSELF ALLOWS ONLY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES THAT ARE EXPLAINED UNDER OUR POLICIES TO BE THE EMPLOYEES COVERED BY THE HEALTH PLAN.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE COULD BE CHANGES THAT THE COMMISSION MADE.

IF YOU WISH TO EXTEND THOSE BENEFITS.

ONE OF THE CHANGES WOULD BE AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, IS THAT YOU COULD HAVE ALL EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING PART TIME EMPLOYEE, CITY COMMISSIONERS, EVERYBODY ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PLAN, AND THE OTHER, WHICH IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.

BUT THE OTHER IS YOU CREATE A SEPARATE CLASS OF EMPLOYEES WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS FITTING IN THAT CLASS, AND YOU SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT YOUR INTENTION TO COVER CITY COMMISSIONERS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

SO THOSE ARE OPTIONS IF YOU WISH TO LOOK AT THOSE.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAD TO OPINE THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE INSURANCE.

SO WE WENT AHEAD AND MADE THE CODE CHANGE.

AND IF THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT.

AND I'LL AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STURGIS.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM REVISITING IT AS LONG AS WE ARE JUST DOING IT THE CORRECT WAY.

I WOULD HATE TO GET SIDEWAYS ON THE LABOR ASPECT OF THINGS AND THAT THAT TO ME IS THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE HERE IS THAT WE GET CORRECT WITH THE CODE ON THIS ASPECT OF THINGS AND THEN HAVE A DISCUSSION LATER ON HOW WE WOULD WANT TO PROCEED WITH EITHER INSURANCE OR RAISES OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. WE COULD DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER DATE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE WE WERE CLEAR WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. AND THIS IS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SELF POLICE.

IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE THE RISK THAT'S TAKEN, THE BIGGEST RISK THAT'S TAKEN, IF THERE WERE LET'S SAY WE CONTINUE TO COVER CITY COMMISSIONERS WITH THE HEALTH PLAN AND CITY COMMISSIONERS SIGNED UP AND HAVE COVERAGE IF THERE WAS A CATASTROPHIC CLAIM WHEN THE INSURANCE COMPANY USUALLY DOES AN AUDIT.

THEY DID THE AUDIT AND THEY WENT INTO THE PLAN AND THEY FOUND OUT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS PART TIME STATUS WITH THE CITY.

THEY COULD DENY THAT CLAIM AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL CITY COMMISSIONER COULD BE LIABLE TO PAY THOSE MEDICAL COSTS.

SO BECAUSE IT IS COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

IT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND SAYING DON'T TAKE THE INSURANCE WITHOUT MAKING OTHER CHANGES TO BOTH THE PLAN AND TO CITY ORDINANCES.

THANK YOU. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT CLARIFICATION.

COMMISSIONER ASKEW, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? COMMISSIONER ANTON. YES.

COMMISSIONER ASKEW. YES.

MR. ROSS? YES.

VICE MAYOR STURGIS.

YES, MAYOR BE AND YES, THAT PASSES FIVE ZERO.

MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT FOR.

[8.1 PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD]

THAT MEANS WE HAVE BALLOTS.

AS WE AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.

WE WILL BE ONLY PUTTING YOUR TOP CHOICE.

SO PUT WHO YOU WANT TO BE.

NUMBER ONE AS NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN IF THAT PERSON HAS A MAJORITY, WHICH MEANS THREE OUT OF FIVE, WE WILL THEN APPOINT THAT PERSON, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

BUT THERE ARE THREE CHOICES.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, MR. MAYOR? ARE WE ALLOW TO BE GONE BEFORE ONE OF THE.

YES. AND NOW WHAT WE WILL DO IS I WILL WAIVE THE RULES SO I WILL NOT REQUIRE A MOTION.

AND SECOND, TO SPEAK ON ANY PARTICULAR CANDIDATE, CONSIDERING THERE ARE THREE CANDIDATES.

SO AHEAD OF THE VOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE HEAR SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS PERSON VOTE FOR.

WE HAVE FIRST VICE MINISTERS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL GO RIGHT OUT THE GATE AND SAY I THINK NICK GILLETTE HAS A LONG TERM COMMITMENT TO OUR CITY.

HE HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING AREAS AND I THINK HE'S A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR THIS POSITION IN PLANNING.

HE HAS BEEN ON THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE COUNTY FOR YEARS AND HE PREVIOUSLY REMOVED HIMSELF RECENTLY AND THEN FOUND HE HAD MORE TIME AVAILABLE TO

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AND I THINK HE WOULD BE A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR THIS POSITION BECAUSE HE'S ALSO BEEN ON OTHER BOARDS AT OUR CITY CURRENTLY AND HE'S A GREAT CITIZEN AND SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE DOING A GREAT JOB FOR THIS POSITION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER.

I ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER STURGIS, YOU TOOK A LOT OF THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH.

I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THAT.

MR. GILLETTE IS A LONG TIME RESIDENT HERE.

HE IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN PLANNING AND ZONING.

I THINK HE WOULD MAKE A FINE ADDITION TO THE PLANNING BOARD, SO I JUST.

I ECHO THAT APPROVAL.

THANK YOU, SIR. WE SHOULD ASK YOU, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER ROSS.

SO I. I KNOW I KNOW FAIRLY WELL TWO OF THE CANDIDATES AND I CALLED ALL THREE OF THEM AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THEIR THOUGHTS. I THINK THEY'D ALL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB.

I WAS CURIOUS, MR. HOLBROOKE'S. APPLICATION.

IT SAID THAT HE WAS NOMINATED BY YOU, AND I WAS CURIOUS AS TO YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT MR. HOLDEN. Q MR. ROSS, I WILL I WILL ANSWER THAT AND SAY THAT I THINK MR. HOLBROOK IS AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE AND I FEEL LIKE HE'D DO A GOOD JOB.

I THINK ALL THREE WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE SURE THAT MR. HOLBROOK AND MR. KRUGER, I KNOW PERSONALLY ALL THREE, AND I WOULD BE FINE WITH ALL THREE.

AND AGAIN, MR. HOLBROOK IS AN EXCELLENT CHOICE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT AND DISCUSSION.

IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT A TALLY MARK BY THE PERSON YOU THINK WOULD BE NUMBER ONE AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE THIS COLLECTED BY THE SPOT.

AND IF I COULD HOLD THAT PEN FOR JUST A SECOND.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU.

HERE YOU GO. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEW TO THIS, THIS IS CONSIDERED A SECRET BALLOT.

BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SECRET BECAUSE YOU FILL IT OUT FOR ABOUT 5 SECONDS.

AND THEN I TURN THIS INTO THE CLERK.

IT GETS PUT INTO THE RECORD AND I JUST READ OUT WHO GETS THE MOST VOTES AND THEN THE CLERK RECORDS.

JUST GIVE ME A MINUTE.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, IT IS A PUBLIC SECRET BALLOT THAT IS PUBLIC, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU WANT TO KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN CALL IT RECORDS REQUEST AT ANY TIME.

SO FEEL FREE TO. MR. GILLETTE RECEIVED THREE OUT OF FIVE.

SO MR. GILLETTE IS THE ONE THAT'S CHOSEN.

WELL, THAT IS A MAJORITY. SO I WILL NOW HEAR A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE NICK GILLETTE TO THE PLANNING BOARD.

I'LL SECOND MOTION THE SECOND.

ANY. WELL, WE DON'T NEED DISCUSSION.

WE'VE ALREADY HAD IT. CITY CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE FIRST NEAR STURGIS? YES, MR. ASKEW? YES, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

YES, MR. ANTON? YES, MAYOR AND YES.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG, WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO SKIP ITEM NINE, WHICH WAS AN ERRONEOUS ITEM THAT WE WILL GET TO THAT.

AND ITEM 13 GOING DOWN, DOWN TO ITEM TEN, WHICH IS CITY MANAGER REPORT.

[10. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE SUPPORT THAT WE HAD FOR THE ANNUAL CHRISTMAS DINNER.

I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 40 OR 50 PEOPLE THERE.

I THINK ATTENDANCE WAS DOWN FROM THE PAST.

I THINK FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS, JUST DUE TO THE GENERAL HEALTH CONCERNS AT THE TIME AS WELL AS THE EXTRA COLD TEMPERATURES.

BUT WE HAD 40 TO 50 PEOPLE THERE.

BUT I THINK WE HAD ENOUGH FOOD FOR 150 PEOPLE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY THANK MR. WATERS FOR HELPING FIND HOMES FOR ALL THAT LEFTOVER FOOD THAT WE HAD.

SO THAT WAS GREAT.

I'VE ALREADY TOLD THE COUNCIL ON AGING I'D LIKE TO RESERVE THE THE COUNCIL ON AGING FOR NEXT YEAR, SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

I'D LIKE TO THANK FPU AND LIGHT UP AMELIA FOR THEIR EFFORTS AT THE SHRIMP DROP AGAIN WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.

THE WEATHER HELD OFF. I THINK WE WERE EXPECTING RAIN FOR A LOT OF THE DAY, BUT IT HELD OFF AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT TIME MOVING FORWARD WITH THINGS.

WE DO HAVE THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD MEETING TOMORROW EVENING.

SO IF YOU'RE SITTING GOING ON OR KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CRA AREA, THAT MEETING IS TOMORROW.

LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION IS SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 11TH AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

TYPICALLY, COMMISSIONERS DON'T SPEAK.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR CITY LOBBYISTS.

MR. JACOBS BASICALLY SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, BUT IN THE PAST, SOME COMMISSIONERS HAVE SPOKEN TO OFFER THEIR INSIGHT.

I THINK COMMISSIONER ASKEW MADE A GOOD POINT THAT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY OF BUILDING SOME BRIDGES, NEW BRIDGES, BECAUSE OF SEVERAL OF YOU ARE NEW.

AND WE ALSO HAVE TWO BRAND NEW STATE LEGISLATORS THAT WILL BE THERE IN BOTH SENATOR YARBOROUGH, AS WELL AS REPRESENTATIVE BLACK.

SO THAT'S AT 3:00 NEXT WEDNESDAY, THAT SAME NIGHT, CHAIRMAN FULWOOD INVITED ALL OF YOU TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE OPA MASTER PLAN.

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SO THAT'S OUT THERE.

AND A FINAL ANOTHER REMINDER OF THE FEBRUARY 8TH CITY COMMISSION VISIONING SESSION.

YOU'LL BE GETTING MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.

BUT PLEASE, THAT'S AN ALL DAY AFFAIR GENERALLY FROM EIGHT IN THE MORNING TO FIVE IN THE EVENING.

SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO STAFF, LOOK FORWARD TO THAT IS KIND OF THE FIRST REAL STEP OF THE BUDGET PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHAT YOUR GOALS AND DESIRES ARE FOR MOVING FORWARD IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR.

WHAT DAY IS THAT AGAIN? THAT'S WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY EIGHT.

I KNOW THAT SEVERAL DIRECTORS HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU, ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME BY AND VISIT THEIR DEPARTMENTS, LEARN MORE ABOUT THEIR THINGS, AND MOST OF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED SOME OF THOSE OFFERS. I DON'T THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL THE OFFERS, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE KIND OF REACHING OUT ON A ON AN AVAILABILITY BASIS.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

IF WE NEED TO SCHEDULE SOME SPECIAL TIMES, PLEASE LET US KNOW AND WE'LL GET YOU OUT THERE TO DO THAT.

AND FINALLY, AT YOUR DIRECTION, THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR A REVISED FOR AN APPRAISER TO ESTABLISH A GROUND LEASE RENT FOR THE PROPOSED AMELIA OR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD THAT HAS BEEN POSTED AND PUBLISHED AND THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE DUE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

SO PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE FOR YOU.

HOW YOU CITY MANAGER, WE APPRECIATE YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CITY ATTORNEY REPORT.

[11. CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS]

NEW AND OLDER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A OLDEST AND OLDEST.

SHE LOOKS ME. I DIDN'T REALLY MEAN IT TO MOUTH.

I JUST WELCOME AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

THAT'S A LITTLE YOU KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE.

I KNOW. NOT NICE. NOT NICE.

SO I WANTED TO.

TO ADDRESS MRS. CHRISTINA'S COMMENT AND AND OTHERS.

THE REASON THAT I ADVISE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PLANNING STAFF ON THE TRINGALE PROPERTY TO INTERPRET THE CODE THE WAY THAT IT'S INTERPRETED, I DIDN'T LOSE MY MIND.

I DIDN'T DECIDE JUST TO HAVE THIS OPINION OUT OF NOWHERE.

WE LOOKED AT PLANNING STAFF AND I.

PLANNING DIRECTOR IS WHO I WORK WITH, MOSTLY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.

MS.. GIBSON AND I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION FOR THE PLAT THAT MR. FLICK AND THE DEVELOPER ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THE TRINGALE FAMILY STILL OWNS IT THAT THEY PUT INTO THE.

SEE, WE ALSO WENT BACK AND WE LOOKED AT HOW WE TREATED OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANTED TO NOT RESTORE UNDERLYING 25 FOOT LOTS OF RECORD, BUT WANTED TO DO A SUBDIVISION AND SOMETHING LESS THAN ALL OF THE UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD TO BE RESTORED WHEN THERE WERE ALREADY EXISTING STRUCTURES.

WHAT WE FOUND WAS IN EVERY SINGLE OCCASION WHERE THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS REQUESTED AND THERE WERE UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD AND EXISTING BUILDINGS, AND THIS IS FOR OVER 20 YEARS, WE HAVE SENT THEM THROUGH THE PLATTING PROCESS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE PROPERTY.

NOTHING DIFFERENT KNOWING THAT FACT.

I KNOW, UNLIKE WHAT MR. BASCOMB SAID, WHO'S A CRIMINAL LAW EXPERT, TRIAL LAWYER, NOT A LAND USE LAWYER LIKE I AM, HE SAID YOU CAN'T USE THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT WHEN YOU'RE BREAKING THE LAW, IMPLYING THAT WE AS CITY STAFF BROKE THE LAW BY APPLYING THE WRONG CODE.

THAT IS TRUE IN CRIMINAL LAW, BUT IT IS NOT TRUE IN LAND USE LAW AND LAND USE LAW.

IF YOU TREAT SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTY OWNERS DIFFERENTLY AND MAKE THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE TRINGALE PROPERTY, FOR EXAMPLE, GO FOR A VARIANCE WHEN WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT BEFORE.

IN OVER 20 YEARS OF SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTY OWNERS, I WOULD PUT THE CITY AT RISK BY TELLING YOU TO SEND THE DEVELOPERS FOR THE PROPERTY TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE RISK IS AN EQUAL PROTECTION, A FEDERAL LAWSUIT THAT SAYS THAT WE TREATED THEM DIFFERENTLY.

I'VE CONFIRMED THAT TONIGHT.

I WILL SEND YOU CASE LAW.

DR. ROSS, IF YOU'D LIKE THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES IN 2019 ADDRESSED THIS VERY ISSUE, AND THAT IS OUR EXPOSURE.

MY JOB IS TO TRY TO NOT GET THE CITY SUED.

AND IF THERE IS A DISPUTE WHERE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SUE TO TAKE THE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE, THE LEAST RISKY TO THE CITY.

SO THAT IS WHY I GAVE MY ADVICE.

I AM NOT CRAZY.

I'VE NOT LOST MY LEGAL MIND.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 23 YEARS AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO KEEP THE CITY FROM A LEGAL DISPUTE.

NOW, IF THE CITY COMMISSION AT A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING I TALKED TO SOME OF YOU SINCE LAST THURSDAY WHEN WE MET, IF YOU WISH TO, WHEN YOU SEE THAT APPLICATION, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE NEXT MEETING AND I AM GOING TO BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY, MR.

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AND IF YOU NEED TO CONTINUE THE CASE THROUGH THE HEARING, YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION.

YOU WANT TO TALK MORE WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT CONDITIONS.

HE KNOWS I'M SAYING I'M GOING TO SAY ALL THIS BECAUSE I SAID AT THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU CAN DO THAT AND YOU CAN CONTINUE THAT CASE AND SAY, WE'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, WHATEVER, AFTER YOU RECEIVE THE TESTIMONY.

BUT I'M NOT CHANGING MY MIND.

I AM NOT LIKE I SAID, I'VE NOT LOST MY MIND.

THAT'S MY ADVICE.

I'M STICKING TO IT.

AND I THINK THAT IT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO ADVISE THE CITY.

IF WE HAD INTERPRETED THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS TO HAVE TO GO TO A VARIANCE EACH AND EVERY TIME, I WOULD HAVE SAID, OF COURSE, GO TO A VARIANCE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE COURSE WITHOUT CHANGING THE CODE.

SO AT SOME POINT I KNOW ON FEBRUARY THE SIXTH, I BELIEVE IS OUR FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, WE HAVE ON THE WORKSHOP A DISCUSSION OF THIS VERY PROCESS FOR THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT AND HOW WE CAN CLARIFY THE CODE SO WE KNOW THE PATH THAT WE WANT TO TAKE FROM THE POLICY MAKERS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? MR. ANTON I THINK MY QUESTION IS LEANING MORE TOWARDS AND THIS MAY OR MAY NOT AFFECT THE LEGAL EASE OF IF WE'VE HAD CONSISTENT TRACK RECORD AND HOW WE ENFORCE THINGS.

WE DO WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

BUT WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR ATTEMPT TO SATISFY ANY REQUESTS OR CONCERNS IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR RESIDENTS THAT HAD FEEDBACK, OR WAS IT SIMPLY THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO HAPPEN ON THAT PROPERTY? IT'S TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO WORK WITH NEIGHBORING PROPERTY? OWNER MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOT THAT THEY DON'T WE HAVEN'T HEARD AN ALTERNATIVE AND THE STAFF CANNOT AT THIS STAGE INJECT ITSELF.

THE CITY COMMISSION, I THINK CAN TO SOME EXTENT AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

THERE ARE CONDITIONS ON THE SITE THAT YOU WANT TO IMPOSE OR YOU WOULD LIKE THE DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE A PLAT, YOU CAN DECIDE.

ASK THOSE AT THAT HEARING.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WILL BE HERE, PLANNING STAFF WILL BE HERE.

YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF GUIDANCE.

AND IT'S IT'S JUST WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER.

BUT THE PROCESS THAT WE FOLLOWED IS, I THINK THE PROCESS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

BUT WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS, I HOPE THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL DO THAT AS THE PROCESS GOES ALONG.

THIS IS JUST THE PLAT, SO THIS JUST MARKS OUT THE BUILDABLE LOTS AND GENERALLY THE SITE THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO GO TO THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE TO DEAL WITH ACTUAL DRAINAGE ISSUES AND OTHER SITE ISSUES, SAFETY ACCESS FOR EMS AND FIRE.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YET ANOTHER PLAT APPLICATION, A FINAL PLAT APPLICATION.

IF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS APPROVED, EVEN IF IT'S APPROVED WITH MODIFICATIONS, IT GOES ON TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT STAGE IS FINAL PLAT, WHICH WILL HAVE ANOTHER HEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, ANOTHER HEARING IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION, AT LEAST ONE.

SO I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THE THE COMMUNITY THERE IS PART THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE HOUSE THAT'S ON THE HISTORIC HOME.

THAT'S THAT'S THEY'RE ONE OF THE FIVE BUILDINGS AND HOW TO PRESERVE THAT OR HOW TO PRESERVE SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THE HOME I THINK THE DEVELOPER IS OPENING TO DISCUSS THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN READY TO COMMIT TO EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO.

I HAVEN'T HEARD, I THINK, SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

THIS IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.

I THINK REALIZE THAT PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO GET REDEVELOPED, BUT THEY ARE FEARING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE MAYBE WHAT'S BEHIND HERE AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A WALL OF TOWNHOMES.

THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT IS, AS YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT LAW SAYS, CURRENTLY ALLOWING UP TO 12 TOWNHOMES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

THE PLAN WOULD ALLOW 12 AND THE DEVELOPER POTENTIALLY WAS ASKING FOR 13.

NO, THE DEVELOPER HAS HAS HAS THIS APPLICATION FOR 12, HAS BEEN 12.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 13.

I DO KNOW THAT IF THERE WAS NOTHING, THE WAY THAT WE INTERPRET THE LAW NOW WITH FIVE EXISTING SITES AND SOME UNDERLYING LOTS OF RECORD THAT HAVE BEEN UNTOUCHED, THE WAY THE CITY HAS INTERPRETED THAT BEFORE IS THAT THEY GET FIVE SITES, THE SITES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BUILT, PLUS ANY OF THE LOTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED.

THEY GET THOSE THAT WOULD ALLOW 11 AS IT IS WITHOUT HAVING ANY VARIANCE APPLICATION OR EVEN A PLOT.

THEY COULD JUST GO OUT THERE AND PUT 11 UNITS SO THEY'D LIKE 12 WITH A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND THEN THE OTHER WAS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND HOW STAFF MAY HAVE JUST IGNORED THE PLANNING BOARD AND THAT IT SHOULD JUST HAVE THE BUCK SHOULD HAVE STOPPED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS HERE.

THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, BUT THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVE ADVICE TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF ITS RECOMMENDED DENIAL.

IN THIS CASE, IT WAS SORT OF A REMAND, WE CALL IT, TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OR FOLLOW A DIFFERENT PROCESS OR APPROVAL IN ANY AND ALL OF THOSE COME TO THE CITY

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NICE MESSAGES. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

BRIEFLY, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH KELLY ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND ACTUALLY WHEN SHE COUNTED FIGURES AND LOOKED AT THE UNDERLYING LOTS OR WHAT WOULD BE COMBINED TOGETHER, IT ACTUALLY HOLDS 12 UNITS JUST LIKE IT IS.

SO THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND BUILD TOMORROW MORNING.

JUST PULL A PERMIT WITHOUT A PLAN, EMPTY LOTS WITHOUT A FLAT AND JUST BUILD 12, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 12 DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIMITED DIFFERENCE ON NO EXTRA SIDEWALKS OR STREET LIGHTS.

YOU CAN HAVE LOTS OF THINGS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE IF THEY RE PLATTED.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THE RECORD ON THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION AND I'M SURE WE'RE ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IN NEXT MEETING.

IT'S A VERY FUN TIME TO DISCUSS.

CERTAINLY. WELL, THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERKS REPORT THEIR REPORTS THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE GO ON TO MAYOR, COMMISSIONER COMMENTS, STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS.

[13. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

IT WAS INCREDIBLE WATCHING ALL THIS PEOPLE COME IN TO THE CITY, BUT I PARTICULARLY WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO FPU, WHO PUT 10,000 INTO THAT TO THE FIRST PORT BANK AND ULI WHO CONTRIBUTED $2,500 AND THE TDC THAT CONTRIBUTED $2,500.

AND MY FELLOW CITY COMMISSIONERS WHO CONTRIBUTED $7,500, THAT LITTLE SHOW COST $22,500.

EXCUSE ME. AND LIGHT UP.

AMELIA IS THE GROUP THAT COORDINATES THAT A SHOUT OUT TO THEM.

THE POLICE AUXILIARY.

WHO? TO CARE THE INSANITY OF THE COMINGS AND GOINGS.

AND I REALLY WANT TO ALSO TO THE CROWD, BECAUSE I RIDE MY BICYCLE THROUGH THE CITY IN THE MORNINGS AND THE NEXT MORNING, THERE WAS NOT ONE PIECE OF TRASH OUT THERE.

NOTHING. I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T TELL THAT IT HAPPENED.

AND SO I THINK EVERYBODY HAD A REALLY NICE TIME.

IT WAS A REALLY NICE EVENT.

I WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF, WHOEVER PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT BRINGS THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

AND THEN FINALLY TO CONNECT'S FIREWORKS, WHO PUT IT ON AT 12,000 1200 A MINUTE.

SO UNFORTUNATELY, WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN CHINA, THAT PRICE MIGHT DOUBLE NEXT YEAR.

SO WE'LL SEE. BUT I THINK A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY MOST, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

NICE SHIRTS. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO BRIEFLY SAY SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE SHRIMP DROP.

I THINK IT WAS AN AMAZING TIME AND I COULDN'T REALLY SEE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT VERY BRIGHT.

BUT I WOULD SWEAR I HEARD AARON.

BEEN ON THE PODIUM AND NOT BRADLEY BEING SOUNDED.

SO MY EAR WAS LIKE, I'VE GOT TO GET CLOSER.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE AARON, BUT IT WAS TRULY BRADLEY AND DID A GREAT JOB IN SEEING IT AND SEEING OUR SHRIMP FESTIVAL QUEEN DO THE DROP. IT WAS AMAZING.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE.

IT'S A GOOD THING THAT OUR CITY STARTED AND SHOULD CONTINUE IT.

BRIEFLY, I WANT TO CALL TAMMY BACK UP TO THE PODIUM TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WAS GOING I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE DURING THE CITY COMMISSION COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING MY AFFILIATION WITH BRET'S.

AND GO AHEAD AND SAY SOMETHING, I'LL REMIND YOU.

YES. THANK YOU FOR WE DISCUSSED THAT EARLIER TODAY.

SO THE LAST I READ THE PAPER TO AND SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT MR. STURGIS HAD A CONFLICT WITH REGARD TO ANY VOTE ON BRET'S.

THERE WAS NOT A. REMIND EVERYBODY THERE WAS NOT A VOTE AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, CITY COMMISSION DID VOTE TO ORDER AN ENGINEERING STUDY TO GO AHEAD AND INSPECT THE UNDERNEATH OF BRET'S, WHICH YOU DID VOTE FOR THERE.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CONFLICT THERE.

BUT IF THERE WAS A DECISION BY THE CITY COMMISSION OR A FORESEEABLE DECISION AND A MOTION TO CLOSE BRET'S TO RE POST A NOTICE THAT COULD AFFECT SOMEBODY THAT'S WORKING THERE, SOMEBODY THAT OWNS THAT AND DAVID HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF THOSE AS A BUSINESS ASSOCIATE OR FAMILY MEMBER, THEN THAT PRESENTS A CONFLICT FOR HIM.

AND I CALLED HIM TO ADVISE HIM OF THAT BEFORE THAT CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

BUT SINCE THERE WAS NO VOTE, THERE WAS NO NEED TO RECUSE YOURSELF OR ABSTAIN.

AND IN FLORIDA, IF YOU'RE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND YOU HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THE ITEM.

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BUT THAT'S NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

IT JUST SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT AND YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THE FORM AND TURN IT INTO THE CITY CLERK WITHIN 15 DAYS OF THE VOTE.

SO DOES THAT COVER IT? I NEED TO. AND SO I AND DAVID WAS DAVID AND I WERE WORKING TOGETHER.

AND SO THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF THE OF THE ETHICS CODE FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS.

SO AND DAVID UNDERSTANDS THAT IF THERE IS A VOTE THAT COMES UP IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.

THANK YOU, TAMMY. YES, THAT BASICALLY HANDLED IT.

I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.

THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD.

NO, WAIT, DANNY, BEFORE YOU GO REAL QUICK, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST I THINK TO GET AT WHAT VICE MAYOR IS SAYING IS THAT IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL LEGAL OPINION, IN MY OPINION, THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF THE ETHICS CODE BY MR. STURGIS OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS CITY COMMISSION, ACTUALLY.

AND FURTHERMORE, YOU WOULD SAY THAT VICE MAYOR STURGIS DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, IS WHAT YOU WOULD SAY.

HE DID EVERYTHING RIGHT.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD SAY.

THANK YOU, TAMMY. YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU, MAYOR. BRIEFLY, I'LL END WITH I THINK THIS IS A GREAT FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR AND I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE, BRADLEY.

I WOULD HAVE CARRIED THE TORCH ON AS LONG AS I NEEDED TO, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING IN AND TAKING OVER.

YOU DO A GREAT JOB.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ANTON, JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING HERE FOR THE SECOND MEETING.

LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THE BALL ROLLING ON A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WE HAVE COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY AND A BELATED MERRY CHRISTMAS.

THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONER ASKEW.

YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO TELL EVERYONE HAPPY NEW YEAR.

LOOKING FORWARD TO A GREAT 2023.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXCITING AND PRODUCTIVE YEAR HERE IN THE CITY AND I'M REALLY EXCITED.

I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL THE MAYOR'S THUNDER EXCEPT FOR TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS.

TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, SIR.

I'M SURE YOU WILL EXPLAIN THIS SHORTLY.

AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I ASK YOU APPRECIATE THAT.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, SO I KNOW WHEN I WALKED IN EARLIER, I SAID I WOULD GET TO IT AND COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND I'LL DO THAT.

NOW, I WANT TO START BY JUST THANKING THE VICE MAYOR FOR COVERING THAT WORKSHOP.

DID A GREAT JOB AND JUST KICKING OFF THIS MEETING.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

YOU DO A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.

WHERE I WAS, I WAS IN WASHINGTON, DC, SEEING OUR NEWEST CONGRESSMAN FROM FLORIDA'S FOURTH DISTRICT GET SWORN IN, WHICH WAS VERY EXCITING TO DO.

YOU MIGHT NOT SEE THIS IN OUR LOCAL NEWS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THIS IS IT'S A HUGE DEAL FOR ONE REASON.

THIS IS OUR FIRST EVER CONGRESSMAN FROM NASSAU COUNTY IN OUR NATION'S HISTORY.

IT'S A BIG DEAL TO HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION FROM OUR COUNTY, ESPECIALLY FROM OUR CITY.

I AM DOUBLE LUCKY. IT'S ALSO MY DAD, AARON BEAN.

SO HE'S ALSO A FORMER MAYOR.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THAT FURTHER THAN THE BEACH REPRESENTATION UP THERE IN DC.

SO I WAS PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS FOR HIS FIRST VOTE, WHICH WAS FOR SPEAKER, AND THEY STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET.

THEY'RE STILL ON THE FLOOR WORKING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE SPEAKER IS.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT I WAS PROUD TO BE THERE AND AS I SAID BEFORE, CUT THAT LAST FLIGHT OUT OF DC TO GET HERE.

ALMOST IN TIME THERE WAS AN AMERICAN AIRLINES DELAY, NOTHING LIKE SOUTHWEST, BUT WE MADE IT JUST IN TIME FOR THAT VOTE.

SO. SO WITH THAT, I AM VERY EXCITED AND VERY PROUD OF OUR FIRST EVER.

WE ONLY HAD AND THIS IS ANOTHER FUN FACT FOR YOU.

WE'VE ONLY EVER HAD ONE OTHER NATIONAL OFFICIAL COME FROM NASSAU COUNTY.

THIS IS OUR FIRST CONGRESSMAN.

WE DID HAVE A SENATOR COME FROM NASSAU COUNTY.

HIS NAME WAS DAVID YULEE.

SO THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE EVER HAD ANYBODY GO TO D.C.

FROM NASSAU COUNTY. SO IT'S VERY COOL TO HAVE AARON BEING UP THERE.

SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

CONTINUING ALONG, WE HAVE OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES OF THE BOWLES FAMILY ON THE PASSING OF THEIR PATRIARCH, EUGENE.

MR. BOWLES RETIRED FROM RAINIER AFTER 42 YEARS LATER, PUBLIX.

AFTER 15 YEARS, HE WAS A FAMILY MAN DEVOTED TO HIS LOVING WIFE, FIVE CHILDREN AND NUMEROUS GRAND AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN.

HE WILL BE MISSED TO ALL WHO HAD THE PLEASURE OF KNOWING HIM.

CONTINUING ON AFTER THAT, WE WANT TO THANK, AS DALE ALREADY MENTIONED, THANK YOU TO HIM FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB HAVING HIS OPEN TABLE DINNER EVENT ON CHRISTMAS DAY.

THANKS TO HIM, THE COUNCIL ON AGING AND ALL THE DONORS INVOLVED WITH MAKING THAT DAY A REALITY.

IT MEANS A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE ABLE TO COME THAT DAY.

I HAD ONE PERSON ALREADY TELL ME HOW MUCH IT MEANT TO THEM.

SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, DALE.

WE APPRECIATE YOU. AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT BY A FEW PEOPLE, BUT THAT SHRIMP DROP SURE WAS FUN.

THANK YOU AGAIN. TO LIGHT UP AMELIA TO FPU.

AS I SAID ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, RIGHT BEFORE WE DROPPED THAT SHRIMP, THERE IS NO OTHER SMALL TOWN IN AMERICA WHERE YOUR PUBLIC UTILITY COMPANY IS GOING TO COME IN AND REALLY TAKE CARE OF SUCH A GREAT EVENT LIKE THAT.

SO THANK YOU TO FPU.

WE'RE PROUD OF THEM TO HAVE OUR IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN TO EVERYBODY.

IT WAS A BIG TEAM THAT PUT THAT TOGETHER.

SO THANKS TO ALL INVOLVED WITH THE SHRIMP SHOP AND WITH THAT, IT'S I FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS SINCE LAST YEAR AND I HAVEN'T, BUT LET'S MAKE IT SHORTER NEXT TIME, SO WE WILL ADJOURN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.