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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE JANUARY 3 FERNANDINA BEACH WORKSHOP. PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS.
ATTEND TO YOUR CELL PHONE ACCORDINGLY AND PLEASE, COMMISSIONERS, KEEP YOUR TEMPERAMENT ACCORDINGLY AS WELL.
CAROLINE, READY FOR THE ROLL CALL.
>>VICE-MAYOR STURGES: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: HERE.
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: HERE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: HERE.
>> ALL RIGHT, FIRST AND FOREMOST, BRADLEY IS NOT HERE FOR THE WORKSHOP. HE IS JOINING US SHORTLY.
HE HAD MORE PRESSING THINGS TO GO.
HIS FATHER GOT SWORN IN TODAY AND A VERY GOOD TIME AND
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IMPORTANT REASON FOR HIM NOT TO BE HERE.SECONDLY, OUR DISCUSSION IS BROUGHT TO US BY COMMISSIONER CHIP ROSS. BEACH PARKING AND HARMONIZATION.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT THIS IN THIS WORKSHOP.
WE HAVE AN HOUR. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THANK YOU SO MUCH.
MONTHS AGO I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND IT KEPT BEING PUSHED BACK AND BACK AND BACK. AND BASICALLY HAD TO DO WITH THE COUNTY DID TWO STUDIES. ONE IS BY THE TDC CALLED BEACH HARMONIZATION AND THE OTHER ONE, I THINK THEY SPENT $150,000 ON.
AND THE OTHER WAS BEACH PARKING BY A CONSULTANT NAMED WALKER.
AND BOTH OF THOSE HAD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CITY AND JUST WANTING TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. IF IT WORKS FOR YOU GUYS, I WANT TO SPEND FIVE MINUTES GIVING YOU FACTS AND FIGURES THAT I HAVE COME UP WITH AND PRESENT EACH ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED IN THOSE REPORTS. AND SEE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO THE FIRST SLIDE.
SO POPULATION USING OUR BEACHES. THE RESIDENT POPULATION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, CENSUS OF 13,500.
THAT IS SORT OF NOT AN ACCURATE POPULATION WHO USES THE BEACHES BECAUSE 60% OF THE PEOPLE ARE HOMESTEADED HERE.
40% ARE NOT. SO 40% OF THE RESIDENTS HERE, WHICH ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE POPULATION FIGURES, ARE -- USE OUR BEACHES. THEY ALSO PAY TAXES.
SO -- AND BUT THOSE ARE PRESUMED TO BE THE RENTALS OR SECOND HOMES. THE TOTAL HOTEL ROOMS IN THE CITY ARE ALMOST 1300. TOTAL VACATION RENTALS, WITH TEN UNITS OR MORE, ABOUT ANOTHER 1,000 ROOMS AND UNKNOWN -- AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION -- HOW MANY SINGLE UNITS ARE. SO THAT IS THE POPULATION THAT USES OUR BEACHES -- OR PART OF THE POPULATION, AT LEAST THAT SPENDS THE NIGHT HERE. THE NEXT ONE, DALE.
THE NEXT ONE REALLY TALKS TO THE POPULATION OF THE CITY IS 13,000 PEOPLE, BUT IT IS REALLY NOT. IF YOU GO BACK TO 2000 AND UP TO 2021. STAYING IN PAID ACCOMMODATION OVER 700,000 PAID ACCOMMODATION NIGHTS IN THE CITY.
VISITING FRIENDS AND RELATIVES ANOTHER 230,000.
DAY-TRIPPERS THAT COME OVER THE BRIDGE -- NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING HERE BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMING HERE TO USE OUR -- OUR STUFF. SO WE HAVE ALMOST 1.4 MILLION VISITORS, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE USING THE BEACHES.
SO THAT IS THE POPULATION. SO, HOW MANY BEACH PARKING SPACES DO WE HAVE? THERE ARE 833 IN THE CITY.
IF YOU JUST -- THEY ARE LISTED UP THERE.
THERE IS ANOTHER -- THE COUNTY HAS 576.
AND FORT CLINCH HAS -- WHATEVER IT IS, 188 SPACES.
THEY HAVE ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT.
AND MORE SPACES NOW. SO WE HAVE ON THE ISLAND MORE THAN 1600 PARKING SPACES FOR PARKING, WHICH MOST PEOPLE, WHEN I ASKED THEM HOW MANY PAID PARKING SPACES, MOST PEOPLE SAY 200 OR 300. MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
NEXT ONE. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE.
AND THE CITY PAYS FOR ALL THE ONES ON THE NORTH AND THE COUNTY PAYS FOR THE ONES IN THE SOUTH AND THE STATE PAYS FOR THAT PART. NEXT ONE.
SO OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS ON SATURDAY AFTERNOONS GOING AROUND
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AND LOOKING AT -- AND I GAVE YOU THE RAW DATA, HOW FAR -- HOW FULL ARE THE PARKING LOTS. AND IF YOU GO TO SEASIDE PARK, YEAH, I NEED ANOTHER LIFE GOING AROUND LOOKING AT PARKING SPACES. [LAUGHTER] 75% -- IF YOU GO TO SEASIDE PARK, 75% OF THE TIME IT IS 100% FULL. 25% OF THE TIME THERE ARE PARKING SPACES THERE. NOW THAT GOES THROUGH THE WHOLE YEAR. AND OBVIOUSLY ON FOURTH OF JULY, IT IS FULL. ON SECOND OF JANUARY, IT IS PROBABLY NOT. BUT IT IS STILL NOT 100%.MAIN BEACH IS 50% OF THE TIME. 90% FULL.
50% OF THE TIME THERE ARE PLENTY OF PARKING.
DOLPHIN STREET 25% OF THE TIME. IF YOU GO TO MAIN BEACH 75% OF THE TIME, THERE IS PARKING AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND PETER'S POINT AND SCOTT ROAD AND BURNEY POINT.
2% FULL. ON THE ISLAND THEMSELVES OF THE 1600 PARKING SPACES, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PARKING.
NOW ON FOURTH OF JULY WEEKEND, IT IS NOT.
BUT IF YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THERE IS PARKING AVAILABLE. THE NEXT ONE.
SO WHO PAYS FOR ALL THIS? JUST AS AN ASIDE, THE CITY TAXPAYERS WHICH YOU ARE ABOUT 10% OF THE POPULATION OF THE COUNTY PAY 22% OF THE AD VALOREM TAX FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND THE ISLAND ITSELF PAYS 57% OF THE AD VALOREM ATTACK.
THE ISLAND ECONOMY OR THE ISLAND OF TAXPAYERS ARE BASICALLY SUBSIDIZING THE COUNTY, THE REST OF COUNTY.
THE CITY PAYS 100% OF THE MAINTENANCE AND RENOVATION OF THE CITY ROADS THAT SUPPLY THE BEACHES, THE CITY PARKING LOTS AND THE CITY PARKS FROM OUR AD VALOREM TAXES.
THE CITY RESIDENTS PAY 100% FOR THE POLICE, RANGERS AND EMS THAT SUPPORT THE BEACHES FROM OUR LARMZ TA-- AD VALOREM TAXES.
THE COUNTY PAYS FOR THE MAINTENANCE.
22% WHICH IS PAID BY THE CITY TAXPAYER.
THE STATE MAINTAINS FLETCHER AND ATLANTIC AVENUE.
AND THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE TDC, AS WE CALL IT.
DAILY BEACH CLEANING WHICH COVERS BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY IS THERE. THE TRASH PICK-UP.
I THINK THAT IS 100% FOR THE CITY AND PUBLIC RESTAURANT CLEANING IS THERE AND COMES OUT OF IT.
SO CONSTRAINTS. THERE IS A PROJECT COOPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS 30 PAGES IN LENGTH.
AND ONE SENTENCE IN THERE THAT SAYS WE SHOULD PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN NECESSARY ACCESS ROADS, PARKING AREAS AND OTHER PUBLIC USE FACILITIES OPEN AND AVAIL TO ALL AND EQUAL TERMS. THERE ARE SOME THAT BELIEVE THAT IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GET MONEY FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS THAT WE CAN NOT -- IF WE DO PAID BEACH PARKING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE EVERYBODY THE SAME. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVES ARE THERE. AND THERE IS ALSO A GRANT AGREEMENT, WHICH I WASN'T AWARE OF, ON HOW SEASIDE PARK -- SHOULD BE ONE WORD. BACK IN 1998, THE STATE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY FOR THE CITY AND MADE CERTAIN CONTINGENCIES ON THAT PROPERTY AND ONE IS THAT ANY CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE PROPERTY WE NEED TO HAVE APPROVED.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE A BIT UNCLEAR IS THEY SAID SADDLER ROAD ACCESS IS ONLY TO BE USED FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS. SO THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO -- NEXT.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS BEACH CAPACITY. BACK IN 1988, THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA DID A STUDY. AND THEY BASICALLY SAID PEOPLE WHO HAVE WHAT THEY CALLED A WORTHWHILE, RECREATIONAL EXPERIENCE, YOU NEEDED FIVE LINEAR FEET A PERSON.
A MILE A BEACH WOULD DIVIDE THAT BY 5 THAT GIVES 1056 BEACH USERS FOR MAIN BEACH. CLEARLY, WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR 1056 USING 2.9 PEOPLE PER CAR, TWO PEOPLE PER CAR.
SO WHY DO WE WANT TO GET, IN MY VIEW, WHY WOULD WE WANT ANY MORE
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PARKING THERE? I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, YOU THINK THAT THERE IS A BEACH CAPACITY, THAT THAT NUMBER THAT WAS COME UP WITH BY THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA OR IS IT SOME OTHER NUMBER OR SHOULD BE THERE? WE SHOULD PUT NO LIMITS ON CAPACAPACITY. >> I AM CURIOUS, DID THAT NUMBER TO THE DEPTH OF THE BEACH ORTH OF BEACH.
EVEN ARGUABLY SOME WIGGLE ROOM, AND YOU GO THE HERE 1598 ON AVERAGE, 1,000 BEACH USERS AND 2.9 PER CAR.
NO HIGHER THAN A SURPLUS OTHER THAN A CRAZY HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: CAN WE JUST TALK.
>>COMMISSIONER: GO FOR IT. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: BACK WHEN WE DID THIS STUDY THEY CONSIDERED TAKING PARKING AWAY FROM MAIN BEACH. IF YOU GO BACK AND READ IT, THEY DID. THEY SAID TOO MANY PEOPLE USING THE BEACH. UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA BACK IN THAT TIME. YOU ARE CORRECT.
>>COMMISSIONER: TO THAT CREDIT ARGUABLY WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED MORE SPACES BUT COMES DOWN TO IT IF WE CHOOSE MONEY FOR THESE SPACES. AND IN MY OPINION, THAT YOU ARE MENTIONING AT WHAT YOU MENTIONED ONE STIPULATION AS FAR AS EQUAL ACCESS. THERE HAVE BEEN SUGGESTIONS HOW THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE WORKED AROUND.
IN MY OPINION AS LONG AS THEY ARE LEGAL AND COPACETIC, I HAVE NO ISSUE OF INVESTIGATING THOSE, BUT I DO SAY THERE WAS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK ABOUT AT LEAST CONSIDERING NOT CHARGING ON THAT FOR BEACH PARKING AND I WANT TO
BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. >> GO AHEAD, DARREN.
>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: THANK YOU.
YOU DEFINITELY LAID OUT A VERY GOOD PLAN.
I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE AN ISSUE OF THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WE HAVE, BUT I AM AGAINST ANY KIND OF PAID PARKING WHATSOEVER ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, INCLUDING AT THE BEACHES, ON THE BEACH, OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE NEXT SLIDE FOCUS ON PAID BEACH PARTY.
FOCUS ON CAPACITY. A REASONABLE NUMBER FOR CAPACITY. HOW WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT?
>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: ONE THING TO BRING UP.
AND I WOULD HAVE TO CALL MADAM ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ON-BEACH PARKING AT MAIN BEACH.
SO IT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION -- >> I CAN ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THE LEGISLATURE HAS ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION AND THEY PROHIBIT PARKING ON THE BEACH, UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE.
>> RIGHT. >> THAT WAS APPROVED AND THEN REMOVED. THE 600 FEET APPROVED AND THEN
REMOVED. >> I AM NOT SURE HOW THAT 600 FEET SHOWED UP. BUT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE BACK
IN -- YOU CAN TELL US MUCH MORE. >> GO AHEAD.
>> JUST LOOKING UP JUST TO GET ALL THE -- INITIALLY IN 1985, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED SECTION 161.58 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. AND IN THAT, IT SAYS THAT THERE IS NO VEHICULAR ACCESS ON -- ON THE BEACH UNLESS A LOCAL JURISDICTION OR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS IT. SO THAT IS WHAT AFFECTED OUR CITY. AND AT THE TIME WHEN THE BILL WAS PASSED AND THE LAW PASSED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, THAT WAS THE AREA OF PARKING THAT THE CITY HAD AVAILABLE.
>> SO THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. >> JUST AT SEASIDE?
>> JUST AT SEASIDE. ANOTHER EFFORT AND SENATE BILL 1777 WHICH IS A SPECIAL ONE THAT DEALT ONLY WITH THE RESORT AREAS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE ISLAND THAT WERE COUNTY JURISDICTION
>> WHATEVER WE HAD IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT THE STATUTE WAS -- THAT IS WHAT -- THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT SO WE CAN NOT EXPAND.
THERE IS A PROVISION, BUT THIS IS BASED ON A STUDY.
THERE IS A PROVISION THAT IF WE DO NOT HAVE AT LEAST 50% AVAILABLE PARKING OFF-PEAK TIMES, IF WE CAN NOT ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE, WE DO A STUDY, THEN THEY CAN TRY TO EXPAND ON-BEACH PARKING. BUT IT -- THIS STATE -- I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO IT.
THE STATE HAS SPOKEN THAT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ON BEACHES IS
NOT GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. >> ACCORDING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS'S RESOURCE SHOWS ONE THAT WOULD HAVE THAT CAPACITY OFF-PEAK IS SEASIDE PARK, 75% FULL.
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AND TO EXPAND OUR PARKING ON BEACH IF I WOULD UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY. OKAY.NOW WHEN YOU MENTION IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOCAL ORDINANCE.
DOES THAT MEAN IF WE TRIED TO PASS ONE THAT IT COULD BE
CONSIDERED? >> IT MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A STUDY. WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A PARKING AND TRAFFIC STUDY. HIRE A CONSULTANT AND STUDY THE ISSUE TO ADD MORE BEACHES ON SEASIDE.
AND I AGREE, THAT SEEMS TO THE PLACE, BASED ON THIS DATA, THAT
WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PARKING. >> SO JUST TO -- YOU WANT --
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO WITH THE STUDY AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, THE WHOLE PARAMETER OF THE BEACH AND WHAT IS INVOLVED AS FAR AS PARKING GOES.
CLEARLY SEASIDE PARK IS EXTREMELY POPULACE.
ONE OF OUR EXTREMELY POPULAR AREAS AND THE CITY GOES AND MAIN BEACH. THOSE TWO PARKING LOTS TEND TO BE THE BIGGEST HEAVY HITTERS IN OUR CITY.
IF ANYTHING IF WE ARE GOING TO EXPAND OR NOT EXPAND, THERE IS NO ROOM TO EXPAND OUR PARKING, CORRECT.
>> THE PARKING LOT, CORRECT. >> POSSIBLY SOME ROOM TO STRETCH IT A LITTLE WIDER IF WE GET IT APPROVED ON THE BEACH.
NOW, THAT IS WHAT TAMMY IS SAYING.
>> NEWS TO ME. >> NEWS TO YOU.
>> YEAH. SO ULTIMATELY, THE ONLY THING I WILL FORESEE, AND I AM NOT SURE WHAT WE WANT TO -- IS TO EXPAND PARKING NOT ON THE BEACH BUT IN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS.
>> BUT THE IDEA OF CAPACITY. I WANT TO THINK ABOUT - YOU WANT THAT AT MAIN BEACH? AND I DON'T.
AND -- >> WELL, THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE PARKING OR NO PARKING SOMETIMES IN THE SUMMER.
>> IS THERE ANY MORE SLIDES? >> OH, YEAH, WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO. WE HAVE A WAYS TO GO.
>> CARRY ON. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE NEXT ONE -- WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION THAT THIS WAS THE WALKER STUDY.
THEY WANTED TO ESTABLISH A AMELIA PARKING WHERE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WILL SUCCEED ALL THEIR PROPERTY AND GIVE IT TO THIS AUTHORITY WHO WILL THEN TAKE CARE OF ALL THE BEACH NEEDS. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, THEY RECOMMENDED PAID BEACH PARKING. I AM ADAMANT -- SPEAK FOR MYSELF I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE FIRST ONE.
THE SECOND ONE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF FERNANDINA BEACH SHOULD PAY FOR MORE PARKING.
IF PAID PARKING I WOULD ONLY DO IT FOR NONCITY RESIDENTS.
AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE.
>> COMMISSIONERS? ANYONE WANT TO ANSWER?
>>COMMISSIONER: I AM WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER, ON THE FIRST ONE.
STAUNCHLY AGAINST THE FIRST, ESTABLISHING AMELIA ISLAND PARKING AUTHORITY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER JURISDICTION COMING IN TELLING US HOW TO DEAL WITH OUR PARKING.
SECONDLY, PAID BEACH PARKING. I AM AGAINST IT ON THE WHOELG.
WHETHER IT BE FOR RESIDENTS, VISITORS OR ANYTHING.
I AM AGAINST PAID BEACH PARKING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION I GUESS WOULD POSSIBLY APPLY MOST TO CITY ATTORNEY, MISS TAMMI BACH.
AS FAR AS WHAT I HAVE DISCUSSION WITH, IF THE EQUAL ACCESS WOULD BE FACILITATED, WOULD IT BE LEGALLY ACCEPTABLE THAT THE CITY AND THEN WHETHER IT IS UP FOR THE COUNTY OR NOT TO SUBSIDIZE THE PARKING FEE SO TECHNICALLY I THE SAME FEE FOR EVERYBODY AND THE RESIDENT IS JUST NOT PAYING THE BILL T.
I HAVE NO LEGAL PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
>> THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WOULD NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM?
>> IN MY UNDERSTANDING THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBABLE VERBALLY BUT NOT IN WRITING. IF THE CITY ACCEPTS AD VALOREM TAX FROM RESIDENTS AND WE DECIDE WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A REBATE,
WE CAN DO THAT. >> PENDING THAT CONTINGENCY, I WOULD NOT BE OF PAID BEACH PARKING, BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ADDING ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION TO MANAGE PARKING AND A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO E-MAILED US WHO SAID THEY WOULD
NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL. >> OKAY, MYSELF, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN A PARKING AUTHORITY AND I AM NOT SURE ABOUT PAID BEACH PARKING. WE KICKED THIS AROUND FOR TWO YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE. AND MOST OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS
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FEEL THAT IF WE START EVEN PAID BEACH PARKING FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T THE RESIDENTS, THEY FEEL IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY BECOME PAID BEACH PARKING NO MATTER WHAT.SO -- AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN.
SO I AM NOT SURE THAT I AM INTERESTED IN IT.
I KNOW THAT WE ARE GIVING A LOT AWAY EACH YEAR BY NOT CHARGING PAID BEACH PARKING. WELL OVER $1 MILLION.
STUDIES HAVE SAID. BUT I AM NOT SO SURE THAT WE CAN'T FIND SOME SORT OF OTHER ALTERNATIVE REVENUE.
BUT I JUST -- I CAN'T -- I CAN'T SEE GOING WITH PAID BEACH PARKING. IF WE DO GET THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEER AND WE APPROVE IT, I FEEL THAT PEOPLE AREN'T INTERESTED IN PAID BEACH PARKING.
I CAN REMEMBER A LONG TIME AGO THERE WAS A STICKER THAT YOU HAD TO PAY TO GO ON TO THE BEACH NO MATTER WHERE YOU WENT.
IT WAS LIKE $30 OR $40 FOR THE YEAR.
AND PEOPLE PAY IT. AND THE TOURISTS WILL PAY FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER.
I JUST -- I AM NOT SO SURE I AM FOR PAID BEACH PARKING.
>> SO WE WILL LEAVE THIS UP TO WE WILL SEE HOW THINGS DEVELOP.
>> WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS WAS A PROPOSAL BY THE A ARMY CORP OF ENGINEER OF PLACEMENT AT THE BEACH.
SHOULD THE CITY STAFF PURSUE OR NOT PURSUE THIS OPTION AND IT WAS TO PREVENT FLOODING AND THEY RECOMMENDED -- I DON'T WANT TO POKE NEW THE EYE HERE, DALE, BUT A -- THAT IS A SAND DUNE BY THE WAY THAT WILL BLOCK THE VIEW AND I AM SURE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE HAPPY. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT -- AND THE IDEA WITH THIS IS TO PREVENT FLOODING OF THIS WHOLE AREA BACK
IN HERE IN CASE OF A HURRICANE. >> YOU KNOW HOW BIG A DUNE THEY
ARE TALKING OF BUILDING THERE? >> OH, YEAH, WE CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURE -- HOW HIGH YOU MEAN? 15 TO 20 FEET.
THIS IS JUST -- I -- THIS COMES OUT OF THEIR PROPOSAL.
SO EITHER WE PUT IT TO BED AND YES, WE ARE INTERESTED IN
PURSUING IT. >> I AM NOT INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PULL UP TO THE BEACH RIGHT THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO SIT ON THOSE BENCHES. ONE THING THAT I SEE A LOT WHEN I GO DOWN TO THE SAND BAR -- THE OLD SANDY BOTTOMS, THOSE BENCHES AND PARKING SPOTS ARE ALMOST ALWAYS TAKEN.
SOMEBODY IS SIT THERE IN THEIR CAR WATCHING THE SUNRISE.
I WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS A VIABLE OPT
>> I AM CURIOUS AS MUCH AS WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT IS AN EYESORE AND POSSIBLE DETRACTION OF REVENUES FROM THE RESTAURANTS.
WHAT IS A RISK-REWARD FROM A DIDN'T.
WHAT HAVING A RECENT HURRICANE IAN AND SOMETHING AS A CAT 4, CAT 5, ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT STREET BEING UNDER WATER OR SHOULD WE HAVE BY THE SURROUNDING DUNES PROTECTION.
>> NO, WATER GETS RIGHT THROUGH THAT HOLE.
>> GO AHEAD. >> PART OF THE CORE STUDY, WHICH I AM NOT SURE THAT WAS THE ENTIRE YEAR THE STUDY WAS ATTACHED. THEY ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATED, IN THEORY, WHERE THE FLOODING WOULD GO.
AND I THINK -- I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT LEVEL OF STORM IT WAS, BUT SHOWED THE FLOODING OF FLETCHER. THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES OR
RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. >> TO BE HONEST, RISK-REWARD, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT WORTH IT BECAUSE THE 100-YEAR FLOOD PLAIN IS UP AROUND THE END OF THE PARK.
THE SAND BOTTOM WOULD BE UNDER WAT
WATER. >> WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS
>> GEORGE, CITY ENGINEER. DISCUSSION WITH THECORPS ON THE NASSAU COUNTY PROJECT. THEY RECOMMENDED DUNE PLACEMENT THERE AND A BREACH. IF THEY PUT IT THERE AND A BREACH, THEY WOULD RESTORE THE DUNES.
IF WE DO NOT HAVE DUNES THERE AND A BREACH, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LOSS. AN AGREEMENT WITH THECORPS AND WE WILL RISK IT. BE AWARE IF THERE IS A BREACH AND WE DON'T HAVE DUNES THERE, WE WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR
MONEY. >> DO WE HAVE A FIGURE WHAT THAT
>> SO MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE STAFF PURSUE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
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>> WELL, I WAS GOING TO SPEAK -- SO -- I DON'T WANT TO POKE YOU IN THE EYE, DALE, I HAVE MY OWN POINTER.
MUCH BIGGER. SEE THIS RIGHT HERE.
BEFORE JEREMIAH INSTALLED A PRETTY SMALL DUNE RIGHT BEFORE THE HURRICANE. IF NEED BE, WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT FOR A HURRICANE AND BE PREPARED AND LUMP THE DUNE UP FOUR OR FIVE DAYS BEFORE IT COMES.
>> WHEN WE PUT THAT UP THERE FOR THE LAST, WE DIDN'T TAKE IT BACK OUT. AND THECORPS WAS VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. EVEN IF WE DON'T BUILD THE DUNES BACK UP TO THE 15, 10, WHATEVER HEIGHT.
THE FACT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT HELPS US BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND WHEN WE PILE IT UP FOR A STORM THAT IS COMING THAT WE
SO WE JUST DO THE SAME THING WE HAVE DONE -- THE FIRST TIME I EVER SEEN IT DONE WAS DURING THAT LAST OCCURRENCE.
AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE JUST -- DISAPPEARED INTO THE SUNSET.
>> WE MADE A CONSCIOUS EFFORT NOT TO KICK IT OUT.
IN THE PAST WE HAVE TAKEN IT OUT ON DOLPHIN AVENUE WHEN WE HAD A STORM COMING. TOOK IT OUT AND SPREAD IT OVER THE BEACH. NOW IT IS ONLY ABOUT THIS HIGH.
BUT I AM NOT SURE THE CORPS WILL CAR THAT A DUNE PROTECTION AND KING GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF SAFETY FACTOR.
>> IF WE PUT MORE OUT NEXT TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN FIND THE MORE, BUT WE WILL PUT DOUBLE WHAT IT IS AND THEY WOULD BE HAPPY THAT WE TRIED TO DO WHAT THEY WANTED.
>> WELL, I MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU ON THE "MORE" PART IN THE COMMISSION MEETING IN A LITTLE WHILE.
>> THANK YOU, CHARLIE. >> JUST FOR HISTORY, ON ALL THE NAME STORMS, WE ALWAYS PUT AT LEAST -- DURING MY TENURE, DURING ALL THE NAMED STORMS WE PUT THAT TEMPORARY DUNE AS A STORM -- EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURE THERE.
AND WE PUT IT IN OTHER ACCEPT AREAS AS WELL.
NEXT SLIDE. THE WALKER STUDY RECOMMENDED THAT WE PUT IN PARKING AS SHOWN IN THE PICTURE, WHICH ANOTHER 46 SPACES. I AM OPPOSED TO THIS.
JONI MITCHELL WROTE A SONG OF PARKING LOTS AND PARADISE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
[LAUGHTER] WELL -- I WILL HAVE TO PLAY IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. I AM OPPOSED TO THIS.
I JUST WONDERED -- IT IS A RECOMMENDATION.
>> DARREN, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: WE ARE TALKING RIGHT THERE AT MAIN BEACH.
>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: STILL.
AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THERE AT MAIN BEACH IS SALT LIFE IS RIGHT THERE. AND WHAT WE SEE HAPPEN A LOT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO TO EAT AT SALT LIFE PULL INTO THE BEACH PARKING AND YOU CAN WONDER IN SALT LIFE'S PARKING LOT ALMOST ANY TIME YOU WANT TO, AND THERE IS PARKING.
GO AHEAD. >> ACTUALLY WITH MY LITTLE ROUND-ABOUT, WHEN THE CITY LOT IS FULL, SALT LAKE IS FULL.
IT DOES FILL UP. >> IT DOES EVENTUALLY, BUT OFTENTIMES, I FOUND THAT SALT LIFE IS THE LAST TO FILL UP.
WELL -- YEAH, THAT'S TRUE, BUT, AGAIN, 75% -- 25% OF THE TIME SELDOM THAT BEACHES ENTIRELY FALL.
JUST AN EXPANSION OF A FEW WEEKENDS.
I SHARED THE RAW DATA. ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, THAT WILL BE FULL. AND THE REST OF THE YEAR, WE ARE NOW TAKING OUT PARK LAND AND PUTTING IN PARKING.
>> I NEVER REALLY HEARD THE JONI MITCHELL SONG?
>> I AM SURE I HAVE. >> JAMES, YOU HAVE ANYTHING.
>>COMMISSIONER ANTUN: BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE SAW AND COMMISSIONER ROSS, AVERAGE DAY OUR CAPACITY IS NOT MESS, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I DON'T SUPPORT THIS EITHER BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS THAT COULD BE CERTAINLY MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE WITH WHAT WE ARE ALREADY IN DEFICITS FOR.
IF WE WERE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER PLANS AND ENDORSING ANY OTHER REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SPACE WHICH IS THE HARMONIZATION PROJECT, THEN I WOULD MAYBE BE WILLING TO CHANGE MY OPINION ON THAT BASE ON WHAT THAT ENDS UP BEING DESIGNED OF.
>> I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, FOR SURE.
>> THE OTHER ONE IS THE NEXT PARKING LOT.
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>> I WANT TO HIT THIS ONE REAL QUICK.
SO I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO JUST LEAVING THE GRASS AND MAKING THIS GOLF CART PARKING TO START WITH.
I CAN PUT LITTLE WHITE LINES THAT CAN BE PUT OUT AND SOME KIND OF MARKERS ON THE GROUND WHERE GOLF CARTS CAN PARK THIS.
SO THEY ARE NOT TAKING PARKING SPACES LAND NOT HURT THE ENVIRONMENT. IT STAYS GREEN.
AND WE HAVE DISCUSS THAT A FEW TIMES IN VISION MEETINGS.
WE DISCUSSED IT ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE MORE AND MORE GOLF CARTS SHOWING UP AND USING -- THOSE ARE MORE RESIDENTS, BUT THAT GIVES THE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PARKING SPOT THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO NECESSARILY BE IN.
AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA AS WELL AS WHEN I WENT OUT AND TOURED MAIN BEACH, I WAS LOOKING FOR ALL THE BICYCLE PARKING.
AND I SAW A LACK OF IT. I LAW --
>> WE WILL GET TO THAT. >> THAT IS ANOTHETHING.
BUT ULTIMATELY NOW THAT WE ARE ON A SLIDE AND IT LOOKS GOOD.
PUT GOLF CART PARKING AND LEAVE IT IN THE GRASS TO START WITH AS A TRIAL. IF YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE USING, TALK ABOUT AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OR NOT LATER OR I WILL REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE SKATE PARK BARELY EXTENDED OVER HERE IN THE SAME AREA. NOW I AM READY TO MOVE OFF OF
THE SLIDE. >> AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS MORE PARKING. I TAKE IT THAT YOUR COMMENTS ARE THE SAME. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO
I DON'T KNOW I AM INTERESTED IN ADDING MORE PARKING THERE SPECIFICALLY AND THIS IS TAKING GREEN SPACE THAT DOES GET USED
AS NORMAL GREEN SPACE. >> THIS PARKING LOT IS FULL ONLY
25% OF THE TIME. >> HARDLY ANY PEOPLE THERE UNTIL
IT GETS FULL, FULL. >> WELL, IT IS OCCASIONALLY FULL. AND 176 PARKING SPACES UP OCEAN -- HOW DO I KNOW? ON THE FOURTH OF JULY, 176 CARS PARKED AND YOU COULDN'T HAVE PUT ANOTHER ONE.
WALKER ALSO RECOMMENDED PUTTING A PARKING DECK, GARAGE, AT THE RECREATIONAL CENTER AND I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THIS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO
SAY. >> DO YOU HAVE NUMBERS HOW LONG
THAT WAS. >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO TAKE EVERY PARKING SPACE YOU HAVE TO ADD TO IT.
SO, NO, I -- I NEVER COUNTED THAT ONE, BUT NOT FULL ON THE
WEEKEND WHEN WE ROLL BY. >> MY DECISION WILL BE HINGING ON COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WITH MORE SPACES AND ALLEVIATING ANYTHING AT THE BEACH. OTHERWISE I THINK IF EVER WE WOULD HAVE A PARKING GARAGE ON THE ISLAND THAT IS NOT THE SPACE
FOR IT EITHER. >> I REMEMBER VISITING RIGHT OUTSIDE -- A COUPLE OF EVENTS HELD OUT THERE, BUT I NOT -- EVERY NOW AND THEN ON A SATURDAY -- ON A -- WHEN THE QUARTERBACK CLUB HOLDS THEIR EVENT. BUT OFTENTIMES, THAT PARKING SPILLS OVER TO THE CHURCH RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY PROBLEMS. SO I THINK WE PUT THAT ONE TO BED. NEXT ONE, DALE.
SO THEY ALSO RECOMMENDED PUTTING SPACES UP ATLANTIC APPLICANT AVENUE. ALTERNATIVELY GOING TO YOUR BICYCLE IDEA, SHOULD WE WORK WITH FDOT TO TRY TO STRIPE A BIKE LANE FROM DOWNTOWN TO BEACH ON ATLANTIC AVENUE.
I WONDER WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THAT?
>> Y'ALL GO AHEAD FIRST. >> THAT IS THE STATE ROAD.
THAT IS WHY I SAID FDOT. >> WHAT WILL BE THE NUMBER OF SPACES, 153. AND THERE ANY -- MY QUESTION WOULD BE ESPECIALLY IF YOU WERE ON THE FAR END OF ATLANTIC, HOW MUCH OVERFLOW TO SEE SOMEONE WALK ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH IF THAT IS MEANT FOR BEACH PARKING. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO A BIKE LANE.
THERE IS A SHOULDER BUT NOT NECESSARILY A BIKE LANE AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR TO ENCOURAGE BIKE TRAFFIC MORE THAN CAR
TRAFFIC WOULD BE A PLUS. >> I THINK WE SEE BIKES RIDING UP AND DOWN THERE EVERY DAY. IF WE HAD A BETTER, NICER BIKE PATH, WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED AS -- THAT CURRENTLY GETS USED FOR PARKING ALREADY. EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT PARKED
OUT. >> IF YOU GET RID OF THE BIKE
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LANE, YOU WOULD GET RID OF THE CAR PARKING THERE.>> CORRECT. >> WOULD ANYBODY BE OPPOSED TO ME TALKING TO FDOT HOW MUCH WORK TO PUT A BAY PLAN ON THERE, ON
MY OWN NICKEL, TIME. >> NO, NOT OPPOSED.
>> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
>> JUST -- >> REPRESENTING MYSELF.
>> STRICTLY A QUESTION. >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU FINDING OUT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, NO.
>> PERFECT. THE NEXT ONE IS THE BEACH ORGANIZATION PLAN AND I WONDER WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THAT AND HOW WOULD WANT TO PROCEED WITH ENGAGING WITH THE COUNTY AND ON THE BEACH HARMONIZATION. AND HAVE A GOOD, BETTER AND BEST SCENARIO. I DON'T DISLIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A FUNCTIONAL BUT NOT NECESSARILY A HIGH MAINTENANCE AMPHITHEATRE WHERE MOST OF THE SPACE IS PRESERVED.
I WOULD JUST AS AN ENTREPRENEURIAL DEVIL'S ADVOCATE QUESTION WHAT OUR UP-FRONT INVESTMENT WILL BE AND HOW LONG TO MAINTAIN THAT BEFORE WE ALREADY HAVE MAINTENANCE CHALLENGES, THOSE ARE MY TWO CENTS ON THIS ONE.
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE COUNTY ON PURSUING THIS -- SOMETHING THERE? OR DO YOU WANT TO SAY, WE LIKE WHAT WE HAVE, AND WE ARE DONE. I MEAN THAT IS THE CONVERSATION
>> FOR NOW I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE. AND IT IS A VERY IN-DEPTH PROJECT. VERY MUCH SO.
I AGREE WITH CAN COMMI COMMISSIONER ANTON THAT THE COST OF MAINTENANCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD QUESTION. WHERE WE BE WITH THAT.
ONE THING TO HAVE SOMEBODY PAY FOR IT AND ANOTHER THING TO MAINTAIN IT. WHERE WOULD WE BE WITH THAT MAINTENANCE ON IT. THOSE WILL BE -- THOSE WILL BE ANSWERS THAT I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE I EVEN CONSIDER IT.
WHERE WOULD WE BE WITH A MITT NANCE COST OF SOMETHING LIKE
>> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CUT OFF OUR KNEES TO SPITE OUR FACE.
I THINK THAT THE COUNTY AND THE TDC --
>> MY PHRASE. >> THAT IS MY PHRASE.
>> I AM ABLE TO DO THAT, RIGHT? >> YEAH, YOU ARE.
>> I THINK THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS WITH THIS BEACH HARMONIZATION PLAN WITHOUT GOING FULL-SCALE.
AND THE WHOLE IDEAL OF THE FULL-SCALE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE DO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE TDC IN THE CROWD THIS EVENING. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS, IS THAT WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE. THIS WAS A LONG-TERM PLAN THAT THEY HAD LAID OUT FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WE CAN GO OUT ALL OUR PARKS, SPECIFICALLY, MAIN BEACH, NORTH BEACH, SLIDERS. DEFINITELY NEED -- I AM GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TALK OF ALL OF THEM.
>> WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE. >> I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE. WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT WITHOUT GETTING THE WHOLE MEAL.
LIKE BURGER KING, YOU CAN PICK WHAT YOU WANT.
WE COULD WORK WITH THEM AS LONG AS -- WE ARE NOT GETTING A GOOD
COMMUNICATION BEFORE. >> SO HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO
CORRECT THAT? >> I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS DIRECTLY WHOEVER IS WITH THE PLAN AND I THINK WE MEAN MEETINGS WITH US AND THEN DIRECTLY.
>> WE MEANING? >> THE WE MEANING THE COMMISSION OR WHOEVER IS WORKING TO COME UP WITH THESE IDEAS ALMOST LIKE OUR VISIONING SESSION EXCEPT AN HARMONIZATION SESSION AS FAR AS TRYING TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY HELP US WITH.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE JUST LIKE -- I WILL JUST TAKE SLIDERS. I WILL GO THERE.
>> GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. >> WE WILL MOVE AHEAD TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND THEN I CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
>> ACTUALLY, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO SPEND MUCH TIME ON THIS.
THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS WANTED US TO PILE SAND HERE AND SOMETHING IF WE CHOSE TO DO THAT, THIS IS A COMMUNITY TRUST BEACH. AND PER OUR AGREEMENT THAT WE MADE BACK IN THE 1980S, WE HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT WITH EVERYTHING WITH THEM. AND THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY WANT TO KEEP THE PLACE AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE IN THAT AGREEMENT. WHAT IS ON THE SLIDE IS REALLY NOT THAT IMPORTANT. BEFORE WE GET -- THIS WAS
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BROUGHT UP FOUR YEARS AGO -- THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, MAYBE FIVE YEARS OR SO OF DOING A DIET, A ROAD DIET ON SADDLER.DO YOU RECALL THAT? WALKER IS RECOMMENDING THE PREVIOUS ROAD NARROWING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT.
I WONDER WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
SENT YOU AN E-MAIL THAT SHOWED THE SPECIFIC PLAN AND PROPOSED
YEARS AGO. >> AGAIN THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WE KNOWING ABOUT THAT SEASIDE BEACH IS THE MOST PACKED, THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY ONE I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ADD MOVING ARE SPACES. I WON'T SAY THAT SADLER IS NOT A BUSY ROAD BUT NOT THE BUSIEST ONE ON THE ISLAND POSSIBLY IN ONE LANE IN ONE DIRECTION MAY NOT BE THE WORSE THING.
14TH STREET OR ANYWHERE CHOKED OR ANYWHERE THAT TRUCKS WOULD BE
ON WOULD BE A FEASIBLE IDEA. >> ANY OTHER?
>> COMMISSIONER AYSCUE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: I LOOKED AT THAT CONSIDERABLY AND DROVE DOWN THERE TODAY TO KIND OF DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING. AND I -- I WOULD QUESTION, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WALKING DOWN THERE.
I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOTELS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE THAT WILL INTERFERE WITH A LITTLE BIT WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
SO I -- AGAIN, IF I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND GOING TO SAY, HEY, WE NEED MORE PARKING DOWN THAT WAY. AND WE HAD THE ABILITY TO ON-BEACH PARK, I WOULD LOOK AT THAT THE BEFORE I LOOK AT THAT.
THAT IS JUST MY -- >> WELL, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO SADLER. EACH NOT OPPOSED TO AN AREA FOR SPARKING PLACES. THAT IS NOT A BAD LOCATION TO DO IT. THAT IS THE MOST CONGESTED.
FOR SOME REASON, WE GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION THERE.
AND IT IS EXTREMELY LIGHT. HAVE BUFFERS IN IT AND EXTREMELY
WIDE. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: SOMETHING
WE CAN PURSUE WITH THE COUNTY? >> IT IS AN OPTION.
>>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: THE COUNTY.
>> A COUNTY ROAD. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: ALL ON
THEIR NICKEL, A COUNTY ROAD. >> OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER AYSCUE: NOW THE NEXT ONE. THERE WE GO.
>> THAT IS SEASIDE PARK. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, BASICALLY WHAT THE AGREEMENT SAYS IS THEY WANT TO KEEP THIS AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE.
AND THERE IS A WHOLE LIST OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH -- IF YOU DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE FLORIDA TRUST COMMUNITY. THE -- IF THEY DO NOT APPROVE WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WE DO IT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL US TO TAKE IT OUT. IF WE DON'T TAKE IT OUT IN 30 DAYS, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY BACK.
RIGHT IN THE AGREEMENT -- THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.
I AM MAKING IT A LOT MORE SIMPLE THAN IT IS.
>> WAS YOUR CONCERN THE ADDED PAVILIONS NOT COPACETIC?
>> MY CONCERN -- PERSONALLY I WOULD LEAVE SEASIDE PARK JUST AS IT IS. WHAT WE ARE DOING IS REDOING A LOT OF THIS. I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS WITHOUT PUTTING ANY MORE -- MORE PARKING, MORE OF THE THINGS THERE. THEY ARE NOT INCREASING THE PARKING. THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE DUNE HERE. I THINK THAT WILL BE FROWNED UPON BY THE TRUST. I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT AS IS IF THEY WANT TO REFURBISH THE BATHROOMS THAT WILL BE GREAT.
AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF NEGOTIATING THE THINGS TO DO THERE. BUT MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE, IN MY
VIEW. >> I THINK THAT IF WE JUST REMOVED THIS SECTION HERE, REBUILD OUR HANDICAPPED AREA SO WE CAN HANDICAP AND GET EVERYBODY THAT IS HANDICAPPED TO THE BEACH ON THIS PUBLIC PARK. THEY ARE SHOWING A FEW MORE -- I AM NOT SURE WE HAVE THIS MANY PAVILION HUTS OUT THERE BUT IF WE COULD -- I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO ADDING ONE OR TWO IN THE PARKING LOT FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER.
NOT A LOT AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE BATHROOM RENOVATED.
AND ANY SORT OF IMPROVEMENT, SOME LANDSCAPING WOULDN'T BE BAD AND I WANT IT TO BE ALL NATIVE LANDSCAPING.
OTHER THAN THAT, NOT A MAJOR CHANGE.
I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THIS RIGHT HERE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THAT CHANGING AND ALL THIS ADDED STUFF IS RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE PARKING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD -- WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THE DESIGN, ALL THE PARKING.
>> NO FURTHER COMMENT. YOU PRETTY MUCH CAPTURED JUST
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ABOUT EVERYTHING. I CAN WE CAN LEAVE IT WITH MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS RATHER THAN REINVENTING.>> SOMETHING TO ENGAGE WITH THE TDC.
>> GENTLEMEN, DO YOU AGREE? >> YES.
>> THE LAST SLIDE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT -- I CAME UP WITH THAT AREN'T IN ANY OF THE PROGRAMS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS TO LOOK AT STAFF DOING SATELLITE PARKING FOR HOLIDAYS FOR MAJOR EVENTS. INSTEAD OF BUILDING PARKING, THERE IS PARKING IN OTHER PLACES LIKE THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SHOPPING CENTERS AND UTILIZE THAT PARKING.
SHARED PARKING. THERE ARE UNDERUTILIZED PRIVATE PARKING AREA THAT WE CAN DO SHARED PARKING AND LOOKING INTO SOME OF THAT. DESIGNATED MOTORCYCLE PARKING AREA. DRIVES ME CRAZY WHEN I GO TO THE PARKING LOT AND I SEE ONE TINY LITTLE MOTORCYCLE IN THIS HUGE PARKING SPACE. IF WE CAN PUT MOTORCYCLE PARKING IN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT HELP.
>> ALONG THE LINES OF THE GOLF CARTS.
>> ALONG THELINES. GOLF CART AND BICYCLE PARKING.
IF YOU GO TO BICYCLE PARKING, IT IS HARD TO PARK A BIKE THERE AND LEAVE IT THERE. SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK BE INTO MORE. AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR BICYCLE PEOPLE WHERE THEY PUT YOUR BIKE. ANOTHER IDEA THAT I READ IS YOU CAN -- IF YOU DO COMPACT CAR PACKING, INCREASE EFFICIENCY.
COMPACT PARKING ONLY. DROP-OFF ZONE IS AN IDEAL IDEA.
SATELLITE PARKING EMPLOYEE PARKING.
SALT LIFE AND SANDY BOTTOM. PARKING LOT B RIDE MY BICYCLE.
GUESS WHO IS PARKING IN PARKING LOT A, STAFF OF THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS. THEY WILL BE THERE ALL DAY LONG AND PARKING. MAYBE WORKING WITH EMPLOYEES -- EMPLOYERS TO DO SATELLITE PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES OR SOMETHING? JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS I HAD THAT DON'T COST MUCH MONEY, BUT MIGHT BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR PARKING.
>> I CAN PERSONALLY SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH SLIDERS AND S SEASIDE PARK.
AND IF AREAS LIKE THAT COULD BE OUR OVERFLOW AND WE HAVE MORE OF A FORMAL HANDSHAKE AND WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH THESE KIND OF ENTITIES, THAT RIGHT THERE, SPECIFICALLY THAT SPECIFIC CORRIDOR ANSWERS A NUMBER OF OUR QUESTIONS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO ANY OF THESE SUGGESTIONS.
THE MOTORCYCLE PARKING. I CAN AGREE WITH THAT.
BICYCLE PARKING. WE ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEES NOT TO PARK NEAR THE DOOR. BECAUSE THEY MAY BE COMING IN A WALKER OR WHEELCHAIR. ENFORCEMENT ON DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES SPECIFICALLY WITH SATELLITE EMPLOYEE PARKING.
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE TALKING OF BEACH PARKING.
WE WILL SEE IMPROVEMENT IN CENTER STREET PARKING AS WELL.
>> WELL, I WILL SAY THAT IS POSSIBLY LISA WITH MAIN STREET COULD INVESTIGATE AS FAR AS AN OPTION WITH THE DOWNTOWN POLICES OR THE BUSINESSES AT THE BEACH. AND WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENT WE CAN WORK -- POSSIBLY DALE CAN LOOK INTO IT FOR OVERFLOW PARK PARKING.
SEE HOW THE NEW OWNERS OF THAT HOTEL WILL BE RECEPTIVE OR NOT RECEPTIVE TO US AND IN THE AREA ANYWAYS AND HOW WE CAN BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS EXTENDING PARKING LOT SPACES THERE. SO, THAT'S IT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, CHIP? >>COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO.
>> THAT'S IS IT? THAT'S ENOUGH.
>>COMMISSIONER ROSS: ANYBODY ELSE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT?
>> NO, I TRIED TO READ THROUGH AS MUCH OF THIS AS POSSIBLE AND I LOVE THE THOROUGHNESS. FOR ME A LOT OF DECISIONS.
I THINK WE ARE PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE AND MOST OF THEM ARE NO BRAINERS. AND INTERESTED TO SEE ANY RESIDENT FEEDBACK AND ANY PUSH-BACK TO BE SENSITIVE TO CONCERNS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN VOICED HERE.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. IF NOBODY HAS NICKELS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.