IT'S A SPORTS COAT AND BUTTON DOWN SHIRT. I THINK I'M PRETTY SPIFFY. [1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] >>GENTLEMEN, ARE WE READY? >>WE ARE READY. >>THANK YOU. >>PLEASE BE SEATED. CALL TO ORDER THE TRINITY THE BEACH WORK CITY WORKSHOP ON NOVEMBER 15 2022. MADAM KIRK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER BEEN? COMMISSIONER ROSS? >>COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >>HERE. >>HERE. >>HERE. >>AS I SAY IN EVERY MEETING, PERSONAL DEVICES. WHAT ARE THE THREE CHOICES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN? AIRPLANE MODE, OFF, AND SILENT. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COVID-19 IS STILL HERE. PLEASE PROTECT YOURSELF AND [3.1 BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE -] THOSE AROUND YOU. ALL RIGHT, ITEM 3 DISCUSSION 3.1. EACH INFRASTRUCTURE, DECIDING TO PLACE ON THE AGENDA BY VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. SO ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] >>THANK YOU. DALE IS CANNOT PUT UP A POWERPOINT BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY POSTPONED A COUPLE OF TIMES. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS REALLY MORE INFORMATION THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AS I WATCHED THE FORMS IN THE DISCUSSION, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IN MANY CASES THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE ISSUES AND DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BACKGROUND. SO, I KIND OF PUT TOGETHER ÃÃ JUST THE PRESENTATION AND I WANT TO COVER SOME OF THE ISSUES ON THE BEACH ISSUES. WITH ACCURATE INFORMATION AND HOW IT TRANSPIRES. THIS IS AN INTERESTING TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW ÃÃIF YOU LOOK AT DAYTONA BEACH AND YOU LOOK AT BY THE SHORE, YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THOSE WERE NINE BEACHES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEAREST BEACHES IN FLORIDA THAT DID NOT HAVE THEM ÃÃAND I DON'T KNOW THAT CHARLIE NEEDS TO COME, BUT THE BEACHES IN THERE AND THERE WAS SOME INTERESTING STUFF. ACTUALLY WE HAVE LOST SIGNIFICANT SAND. AND I WILL KID OF ADDRESS THAT AS WE GO ALONG. >>BETWEEN NOURISHMENT ACTUALLY STARTED IN AROUND 1985 WITH THE NAVY PEEKING IN THE BAY.IN 1998, THERE WAS A MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THE U.S. NAVY AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHOCKED AT THE AGREEMENT. STILL IN EFFECT AND BASICALLY WHEN IT SAYS ALL THE MAINTENANCE AND FOR KINGS BAY AND BEACH AND SAND WILL BE PUT ON BERNADINO BEACH. THIS NORTHERN SITE THAT ALMOST ALWAYS GOES IN THE OFFSHORE SITE, WHICH IS NOT COMPETITIVE WITH US AND GOES AND THEN THERE'S THE SOUTHERN SITE. THE BEACH HAS NEVER BEEN PUT ON THE SOUTHERN SITE AND THAT'S WAY SOUTH TO OUR 75 RANGE MARKET. ONE OF THE REASONS IS THAT I WILL GET TO IT WITH THE PROGRAM. THE SOUTHERN SITE HAS A 50 PERCENT MATCH AND THE NORTHERN SITE AND THE OFFSHORE SITE ARE FREE. AND TO THIS DAY ÃÃTHE NAVY HAS CONTINUED TO DO THAT WITH PROJECT COMING UP AT ABOUT $17 MILLION.GAIN, THIS YEAR ÃÃ IN 2008 ÃÃIF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, YOU CAN ASK. >>SO, THE REASON THE NAVY HAS DONE THAT IS [INDISCERNIBLE] IT'S SO THAT THE SUBMARINE CAN GET AHEAD WITHOUT HITTING THE TABLE GOING THROUGH THE CHANNEL. THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT EVERY YEAR. >>CORRECT. >>AS LONG AS THE SUBMARINE BASE ÃÃIS NOT THE MALEVOLENCE OF THE CITY [INDISCERNIBLE] >>CORRECT. >>IT'S GOT TO DO WITH GETTING A SUBMARINE THROUGH THE CHANNEL. >>ACTUALLY HISTORICALLY ÃÃ THIS ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED JUST AS THE AGREEMENT JUST AS OUR LOBBYIST BUDDY JACOBS WAS INVOLVED WITH IT AND IT TOOK A WHILE AND ACTUALLY AT ONE POINT CALLED HIM A COMMUNIST BECAUSE HE WAS TAKING MONEY FROM THE NAVY TO DO THIS. SO, THE CHANNEL FOR THE SUBMARINES ÃÃWHICH ALL THE NAVY WAS SUBMARINES AND EAST COAST BASICALLY IN KING KINGS BAY. >>KINGS BAY.SO ÃÃGOOD WITH THAT? >>YOU ARE CORRECT. AND THEN IN 2008 ÃJUST THE MASS ECONOMY SHORE PROTECTION PROPOSITION CAME ALONG. AND THE ECONOMY SHORE PROTECTION IS ACTUALLY THE SPONSOR IS IN BERNADINO BEACH. IT'S NOT THE ECONOMY. AND THAT BASICALLY GOES DOWN TO SADLER AND HOMEOWNERSHIP IN 2008 IN THE PROGRAM WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS. HIS $15 MILLION PROGRAM IN 2008. >>TO DO THAT, THERE WERE A LOT OF COURT CASES. WE HAD VARIANCES ALL AWAY FROM FORT CLINCH TO SADLER THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN PRIVATE PROPERTY. >>THAT PROJECT SPAWNED 79 [00:05:04] PERCENT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS NINE PERCENT BY THE STATE GOVERNMENT BY A GRANT WHICH WE NO LONGER HAVE. AND THE 12 PERCENT TO 66 CITY INCOME. EDC DID PUT UP I BELIEVE $100,000 IN 2008. >>I BELIEVE YOU ARE OFF BY THREE ZEROS. >>GENTLEMEN, THERE ARE [INDISCERNIBLE] >>WHAT I SAY? >>100,000. >>I BELIEVE THAT TOO. >>SO ÃÃI'M NOT TALKING ABOUT >>SO ÃÃIN 2019 ÃÃTHE NAVY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS CAME TOGETHER AND DID A STUDY ENGINEERING STUDY WHICH WE ACTUALLY ADOPTED ABOUT TWO OR THREE MEETINGS AGO WHEN THE COURT WAS HERE ÃÃAND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY DID WAS TO EXTEND THE PROGRAM TO NOT JUST THE BEACH, BUT TO THE DOOMS AND I THINK HE EXPLAINED IT WELL. I THINK WHAT COULD'VE HAPPENED AND WHAT IT HAPPENED HERE IS IF THERE ARE BEACH DOOMS, THEY WILL RESTORE THE DUNES. AGAIN, THAT'S A 79 PERCENT. WHICH IS A GOOD PERCENTAGE AND WE HAVE THIS JUNE ÃÃWE SHOULD BE PUTTING ÃÃTHIS COMING PROJECT. IS TOTALLY FUNDED BY THE NAVY. WE PUT SOME MONEY IN THERE. AND IF THE 2008 HAPPENS EVERY FIVE YEARS ÃÃIT DID NOT HAPPEN AFTER FIVE YEARS.IN 2000 ÃÃABOUT 17 WE WENT PARTIAL. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE NORTH AND UP TO THE BEACH BUT WE ARE NOT THAT FAR. IN 2016 OR 17 ÃÃWE WENT FROM MAINE BEACH TO JASMINE. HE DOESN'T 18 AND 19, WE WENT FROM JASMINE AND FINISH THE WHOLE THING TO SADLER. THE $32,000,000.02 YOUR PROJECT. SO, WE HAD NEVER DONE THE FULL PROJECT AGAIN. IF WE DID THE FULL PROJECT AGAIN ÃÃYOU WOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 45 Ã$60 MILLION. SOUTH ÃÃTHAT BRINGS US TO THIS YEAR IN JUNE, WE SHOULD BE PUTTING IT FURTHER IN THE STATE GRANT, WHICH SHOULD BE THE NINE PERCENT. IT COULD BE BIG MONEY. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE ARE AT. IN 2015 ÃÃAS A RESULT OF WHAT WE'RE DISPUTES AND WHO WOULD PAY WHAT MUNICIPAL SERVICE TAXING TEST TEST THAT WAS ESTABLISHED WITH THE INTENT THAT THE VILLAGE WAS SET TO RAISE 1,000,005 OVER FIVE YEARS. WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN ÃÃTHE LOCAL SHARE HOLDER IN 2008. THAT MONEY IS SITTING THERE NOW. SO ÃÃTHERE IS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE ÃÃI THINK THERE'S ABOUT 2.5 MILLION IN THERE FOR CERTAIN MODEL NUMBER. SO, THAT WAS RELATIVELY RESTRICTED. HE WAS RESTRICTED ÃÃIT WAS AN INTERESTING PROCESS IN 2015. WE WENT TO FOUR READINGS THERE. AND THE END RESULT WAS THAT IT'S BETWEEN BEACH NOURISHMENT AND RESTORATION AND EROSION CONTROL AND STORM PROCESSION. THERE ARE PEOPLE NOT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD USE THAT MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS. NO. IT'S BEACH PROTECTION, DOES THAT WALK OVER? AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED. WE WANT TO USE THAT? WHAT IS INTERESTING IS THAT IN 2000 ÃJUST THE $32 MILLION TDC ACTUALLY PAID DEFAULT LOCAL SHARE STARTED OUT AT 7078. $700,000 TEST IS THE END RESULT WAS $300,000. THAT WAS BECAUSE BILL CORBETT SAID AT THE MEETING THAT IT WAS A HIGH MEETING THAT WAS NASA COUNTY. THAT WAS HURRICANE AND NAVY MONEY. SO ÃÃTHE CDC DID PAY THAT FULL AMOUNT FOR THAT. BUT THERE IS NO COMMITMENT. IN THE TDC TO PAY. SO, THAT'S WHY THE MONEY IS IN THE NSD YOU. >>SO, THAT'S KIND EVERY NOURISHMENT YOU NOW? AND WHAT I BELIEVE ARE SIMPLE TERMS AND HOW IT CAME ABOUT. AND WHO PAYS AND VALUE THAT. AND AGAIN ÃÃLOOK AT THE PLYWOOD BEACH AND LOOK AT DAYTONA BEACH. THEN LOOK AT OUR BEACH. >> IS THE DDC. NOTICE THAT IN THE DISCUSSION INFORMED THERE'S A DISCUSSION WITH THE TDC IS AN THEY CAN HIT IT. THERE ARE THREE ISSUES THAT DRIVE THEM. CHARTER 1988 ÃÃTHE ORDINANCE COUNTY ORDINANCE 89 ÃEIGHT AND THERE'S A STATE LAW. FLORIDA STATUTE 125 0104. THE CHARTER SAYS THAT THE MONEY IS 15 PERCENT ADMIN, 65 PERCENT [00:10:09] MARKETING, 10 PERCENT TRADE AND 10 PERCENT BEACH. BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY BROAD. IT DOES NOT INVOLVE ÃÃIT COULD INVOLVE WALKOVER'S. THE CITY HAS NEVER RECEIVED ANY INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE BEACH. WITH THE CITY HAS RECEIVED THIS PAYMENT OF THE BEACH CLEANUP. WHICH AIN'T FUN FOR THE WHOLE SUBSIDY ACCOUNTS. THE STATE LAW IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE STATE LAW THE COMMISSION ONE OF THE FORMS ÃÃ IT'S PRETTY BROAD. OF WHAT WE CAN DO. BUT THE CHARTER AND THE COUNTY LAW IS VERY RESTRICTIVE. THE STATE LAW DOES LIMIT EACH INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMUNITIES UNDER 100,000 TO 10 PERCENT. IN WELTY TAX. ANOTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING THAT CAME UP IS THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE TDC. 15 PERCENT [INDISCERNIBLE] PERCENTAGE. IN LAST WEEK'S MEETING, THE TDC IS PROBABLY 2024. IS IT WE WANT THEM TO GO COUNTY WIDE. AND OF COURSE ÃÃTHAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY ÃÃDURING CITYWIDE COUNTYWIDE ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP. THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE TDC STATE LAW IS THAT THE STATE LAW LIMITS [INDISCERNIBLE] SPENDING TO 70 PERCENT OF THE PROJECT, WHICH MEANS THERE'S A 30 PERCENT MATCH. NOW ÃÃTHE INTERESTING PART ABOUT THAT IS NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE BEACH ORGANIZATIONS. SO, JUST KEEP THAT 70 PERCENT IN YOUR BRAIN. SO, THE BEACH ORGANIZATIONS JUST AS WE SAW THE LAST PRESENTATION CONSULTANTS. AND WE WENT AND DID THE FINAL PRESENTATION ÃÃAT THE END OF THE CANDY FOR THE COUNTY ADOPTED THAT. THE STAFF NOW IS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. OKAY. SO FROM DAY ONE OF THESE STUDIES ÃÃSEASIDE SAILOR WAS DEEMED PRIORITY AND THAT WAS PRESENTED CONSISTENTLY. SEASIDE PROJECT IS ABOUT $3 MILLION. 3.5 MILLION IS THE MAGNITUDE OF COSTS THAT THE CONSULT AND CHOKE. WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED IS HOW TO DO THIS? MY GUESS IS WITH THE TDC FROM DAY ONE. THE WHOLE OPTIMIZATION IS 15Ö0 YEAR OR 30 OR $40 MILLION PROJECT. SO ÃÃAND I MENTIONED AT OTHER MEETINGS. TO ME, IT'S SIMPLE WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AND SIT DOWN WITH THE DESIGNER ÃÃWITH SEASIDE AND LOOK AT THE DESIGN. LOOK AT THE DESIGN, PUT IT TO BED AND THEN THE TDC PAYS, BUT NOW WHERE DOES THE REST OF THAT INCOME COME FROM? NOW ÃÃTHIS WHOLE PROCESS IS STARTED WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION WHILE EARNING DISCUSSION PUBLICLY ON HOW WE REALLY ARE IN FRONT OF THIS. SO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, BUT WE NEED TO GET THIS KIND OF ANSWERS. THERE'S 1,000,005 IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR. NEXT YEAR ÃÃDID GET 3.5 MILLION. SO, THERE IS MONEY TO DO MRS. ADLER ÃÃBUT IS THAT 70 PERCENT APPLY JUST AS WE HAVE NOT APPLIED BEFORE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES. THE ONLY THING YOU SAW IS RE-NOURISHMENT IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT FROM STATE LAW. D-LINK HE YOU SEE MONEY IS THE CLINIC EARLY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >>SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE GET A READING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD. THERE ARE BEACHES AND THE ECONOMY KNOWLEDGES THAT. ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO AND TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH SEASIDE PARK, WHICH WE HAVE TO WORK ON ANYWAYS. IT WOULD BE REMISS. SO ÃÃANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING. GOTCHA. >>MR. ROSS? >>ON AT THE POINT OUT CLEANING UP OUR BATHROOMS ON THE BEACH. IN REMOVING THE TRASH OF THE TRASH CANS ETC. >>THEY PAY ABOUT $500,000. [INDISCERNIBLE] WE CAN HISTORICALLY GO BACK. I MEAN ÃÃBACK IN MATTHEW ÃÃ [00:15:05] AFTER MATTHEW, YOU DID SEE THE CITY PAY UP FOR THE BEACH CLEANUP. MATTHEW LEFT A LOT OF DEBRIS ON THE BEACH BUT THEY PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT. AND THERE WAS A BIG DISPUTE ON HOW THAT WAS DONE AT THE VERY END. WE HAD A MEETING IN 2016 WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE ÃÃWE AS A CITY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR A LOT LIKE WE SHOULD. AND WE SHOULD NOT BE MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY. >>COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >>THANK YOU MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, LYNN? SO ÃÃYOU ARE JUST STRESSING THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BEACH FORMALIZATION Ã ÃWHICH IS A 20 YEAR OR 25 YEAR PROJECT AT 25 Ã$30 MILLION ROUGHLY. RIGHT?>I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SADLER SEASIDE NOT A PRIORITY. WHICH IS 3.5 MILLION IS ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THE FIRST PRIORITY. THAT PLAN IS A PRETTY NONCONTROVERSIAL PLANT FLORIDA COMMUNITY TRUST BEACH ÃJUST SO, ALL THEY REALLY ARE DOING IS THAT THEY DID TALK ABOUT SOME MORE SHELTERS ON ADLER. PLANNING SYMMETRIES AND EXTENDING THE BOARD WALK OVER AND ADDED A SECTION. IN ESTABLISHING THE UPGRADES. PROBABLY GET A NEW BOARDWALK. >>BASICALLY THE HANDICAPPED RAN PAST THE STATE MOSTLY THE SAME BECAUSE HAS TO GO SIDEWAYS NORTH AND SOUTH. >>BECAUSE OF THE THE SPOT, RIGHT? >>THEY ADDED A HANDICAP ON THAT POINT. YET THE EXISTING ONE, WHICH GOES OUT THERE AND DOWN AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S ADDED ON THIS PLAN. BUT YES, IT HAS TO STAY. AND YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE THERE AND IT WOULD BE HANDICAP RAMP IN NORTH BEACH. BUT IT'S A LONG TIME BEFORE WE GET TO THE BEACH PARK. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES. >>WHAT'S THE PLAN OF ACTION? >>THAT'S ONE THING. WE NEED A PLAN OF ACTION AND DALE HAS TALKED TO THE COUNTY AND TESTED SHE CAN EXPLAIN. >>OKAY, BUT I WANTED TO POINT THAT IT'S OUR BEACH ÃTHIS WE MANAGE IT WHEN WE HAVE TO SAY. AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS DISPUTING THAT. >>OKAY. >>ANDREW? >>THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. HAD A DISCUSSION FOR MR. PULP. THEY ARE TO GIVE ME A LIST OF BULLET POINTS ON WHAT THEY NEED FROM US IN OUR ENABLING RESOLUTION I WANT TO SAY GET THOSE BULLET POINTS MADE UP AND BACK THOSE SOLUTIONS AND SEND IT BACK TO THEM TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING WHAT THEY WANT ME TO SAY AND THEN WE BEFORE REACH THE CITY COMMISSION WILL DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SEASIDE PARK. THAT'S ALL THE DISCUSSION TO THIS POINT IN TIME. >>SO, WE ARE NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT. >>THE ONLY REASON I QUESTION THIS AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUDGET TO DO REPAIRS AT SEASIDE PARK THIS YEAR. SO ÃÃIF IT MOVES FAST ENOUGH ÃAS YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN NOT HAVE TO SPEND ON THE REPAIRS AND SPEND ON THE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WOULD BE THE REPAIRS ÃÃ WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT. PREVIOUS TIMES. >>SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER ÃÃBUT I KNOW HOW THINGS CAN DRAG OUT. SO ÃÃTHAT'S WHY I'M REQUESTING IT. >>THE NICE THING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD WITH SEASIDE IS THAT SEASIDE PARK NOW DOES HAVE ADA ACCESS. THEY REALLY DON'T. A WAY THAT IS CONFIGURED IN THE WAY THE SAND IS. SO, THIS WILL ACTUALLY FIX TO ADA ACCESS THERE. AND THE CONDITION ÃÃ" WITH THE WORD THAT WE USED. IT WAS CRITICAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER KIND OF WORK. IMMEDIATELY. >>AT THE URGENT APPOINTMENT. >>ARGENT. SO JUST AS THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE AND THEY ARE TALKING AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THE CITY ÃÃ YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS OPPORTUNITY. THE MONEY IS SITTING THERE. WE'VE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT MONEY BEFORE. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. THERE WAS ONE TIME THERE WAS A REQUEST. ONE TIME ÃÃAND YOU CAN GO THROUGH. SO, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT. EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. WAS THAT YOU? >>AND TONY. [INDISCERNIBLE] COMMISSIONER BEEN? >>THANK YOU MR. MAYOR PRODUCTION ECHO COMMISSIONER STURGIS'S POINT. DALE, DO WE HAVE ÃÃTHIS IS STILL $300,000 IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR FOR SEASIDE PARK REPAIRS? IS THAT CORRECT? >>ACTUALLY. WITH THAT IN MIND AND SEEN THAT VICE MAYOR GREGOR IS REPRESENTED ON THE TDC ÃÃI THINK WE CAN ASSUME THAT HIS INFORMATION IS VERY ACCURATE AS TO THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING SEASIDE PARK FUNDED. AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO HOLD OFF THAT $300,000 BEING SPENT IN THE LAST POSSIBLE MINUTE BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN WANT TO ÃÃIF WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE THE WHOLE THING AND UPGRADE THE WHOLE THING WITH A $3 MILLION PROJECT ÃÃLET'S NOT SPEND $3000 OF CITY FUNDS. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY JUST THROWING MONEY AWAY. LET'S HOLD THAT MONEY AND USE THAT TDC FUND, WHICH I DECIDED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON. SO, THANK YOU GUYS. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS? [00:20:01] >>GOOD TO SEE YOU. WITH THE CITY ENGINEER CARE TO COMMENT ON THAT? >>THE SUN WE ARE UNDER A DESIGN RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THE SEASIDE PARK BOARDWALK INTERSECTION THAT'S IN THE SUN WE CANNOT WAIT BECAUSE THE DETERIORATION STATES WE ARE UNDER DESIGN OF THAT AND THAT'S PART OF THE 300,000. SO, WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE THIS YEAR AND I WOULD REALLY CAUTION YOU NOT TO HOLD OFF ON DOING THAT. >>IT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR THE THREE YEARS NOW. >>COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >>THANK YOU. >>WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT DESIGN AND WHAT IS IT EXACTLY? >>IT'S BASICALLY ÃÃTHINK ABOUT SEASIDE PARK ÃÃIS THE CENTER WALKWAY THAT IS THE ADA RICK PARK. IT'S A PORTION OF IT IS COVERED UP IN A SANDWICH THAT MAKES IT NON-ADA AT THE TIMBERS ARE DETERIORATING. WE ARE BASICALLY GOING IN PLACE OF A FOOT MAP GET A RAISE A LITTLE BIT UP AND GET OUT OF THE SAND AND THEN REESTABLISH THE ADA RAMP PART WITH THE OCEANSIDE GOING BACK. [INDISCERNIBLE] AND L SHAPE AND IS THE CENTER PIECE OF THAT SEASIDE PARK BOARDWALK SYSTEM. THAT'S SHOWN ON THE BEACH CARAMELIZATION SINCE NOT WITHOUT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT. JUST REPAIRING WAS DETERIORATED. >>OKAY SO, YOUR END DESIGN FOR THAT RIGHT NOW TO DO IT BUT IS THAT WHAT THE $300,000 IS? >>PART OF THE $300,000 PER >>THE DESIGN IS $300,000 PER THE WHOLE ORCHESTRA HUNDRED THOUSAND. >>OKAY. SO, WE JUST NEED TO PROCEED. I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE OBVIOUSLY IT'S DIRE STRAITS WITH THE PART OF THE DECK THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING ÃÃI HAVE NOT BEEN TO SEASIDE PARK AND ALONG THE AREA. >>BOB SPLINTERS SCREWS ARRESTING AND PULLING OUT FORMS AND WHAT NOT ÃTHIS NEEDS TO GET DONE. >>DEFINITELY CANNOT MAKE IT TO NEXT SUMMER IS WHAT SOUNDED LIKE. >>I DID NOT WANT TO MAKE IT PAST [INDISCERNIBLE] >>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER ROSS? >>MAYBE WE CAN JUST MAKE A REQUEST ÃÃI COULD TAKE THAT MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO TAC. THE CO ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] >>ALL RIGHT ÃÃWE ARE GOOD WITH THAT? MOVING ON. >>THE OPPORTUNITY IS HERE TO MOVE FORWARD. AND UPGRADE SEASIDE PARK. WITH TDC BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ÃÃTHEY NEVER SAID WHAT PRIORITY TWO WOULD BE WHETHER IT'S WHETHER TO THE THREE CITY BEACHES OR ECONOMY BEACHES. THEY NEVER SAID HERE. I WILL POINT THAT THE COUNTY ITSELF HAS NOT GOTTEN TDC MONEY EITHER. SO, THEY HAVE NO NEED. ANY REPAIRS THAT YOUR SCENE IN SCOTT'S ROAD OR R&B STATE, THEY ARE NOT FUNDED BY THE TAC. SO IT'S EQUAL RIGHTS I GUESS. AS A WAY TO PUT IT. SO, THE NEXT THING IS THE BEACH ÃÃWHILE THE PATENT CONSERVATION. ÃÃIT'S ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. WE WILL VOTE ON IT. THIS ACTUALLY IS A THREE-YEAR PROJECT ÃÃWE WERE AWARDED $179,000. THE U.S. FISH AND WHILE BLIP. IT'S ACTUALLY PLAYED BY FOUR BY THE SWC FLORIDA WILDLIFE COMMISSION, WHO ACTUALLY ALSO IS CONTRIBUTING MATCHING TO THIS. THE PROJECT STARTED OUT AS A CITY COUNTY PROJECT RECENTLY THE COUNTY HAS DECIDED THAT THEY WANT ÃJUST THE WAY THAT THEY ARE IMPLEMENTATION OR PARTICIPATION JUST AS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT USING FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE AND THE SWC AND THEY ARE FINE WITH US MOVING FORWARD ÃÃTHIS IS ACTUALLY A PLAN THAT YOU SCHEDULE GOT ALL OF THEM IN THERE. KELLY ARE HERE. IT WILL PRESENT ANY DATA OR QUESTIONS ÃÃI WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. EXCELLENT THE ORIGINAL IRP FOR THIS WORK WITH THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY WAS PARTICIPANT ÃÃ THIS IS THE SECOND PIECE THAT WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH. AND YOU KNOW ÃÃIT'S ÃÃIT'S INTERESTING TO THINK THAT IS LONG OVERDUE. MANY COUNTIES HAVE IT. FOR WHATEVER REASON TEST IS THE COUNTY DROPPED OUT AND THEY WANTED TO TALK THERE. BUT THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO TALK TO REST OF WHO THEY ELECTED COMMISSIONERS ÃÃSO Ã ÃTHAT'S FINE. AND I DO THINK THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND THE DATA COMES OUT ÃÃTHAT THE COUNTY WILL COME ABOARD. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST TO SEE IT. >AMERICAN AGAIN TO DETAIL MUST Y'ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. [00:25:02] >>ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >>MR. V? >>I DON'T WANT QUESTION.F SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE ÃJUST DISCOVERED BY A ÃÃ THIS GREAT OF $100,000 ÃTHIS WILL THEN PURCHASE THIS PLAN? WE WILL GET THIS COMPANY TO COME AND AND MAKE A PLAN. SO ÃÃI'VE HEARD THAT SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD SAY THAT THIS PLAN HAS A HIGH POSSIBILITY OF RECOMMENDING THE CLOSURE OF OUR BEACH PARKING ESTABLISHMENT. YOU THINK THAT PLAN WOULD INCLUDE THIS? WHAT YOU THINK? >>MUSTACHE ÃALMOST GUARANTEE YOU THAT WITH THE ÃÃI THINK IT'S MORE THAN ÃÃI THINK THAT CONCERN IS ACTUALLY MORE ON SOFT PLAN OF SCOTT'S ROAD. THE STATE PARK IS INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN. VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS A PLAN. DAYTONA BEACH IS INCLUSIVE COUNTY. >>GOT IT. >>JUST TO MAKE SURE. >>AND I THINK YOU KNOW ÃÃI CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT CONCEPT CAME UP JUST AS I DISCUSSED THAT WITH VECTOR. THE CONCERN THAT THERE ARE GROUPS OUT THERE THAT I THINK LIKELY TO HAPPEN. ÃÃI CAN TELL YOU WHAT SOME OF THE MITIGATION THINGS WOULD BE. AS AN EXAMPLE. THE BEACH CLEANUP AT 4:30 THE MORNING ÃÃIT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MITIGATION THAT WILL HAVE TO COME UP. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTION IN ANYBODY'S MIND ABOUT THAT. BUT THE LIKELIHOOD OF BEACH PARKING, LIKE YOU SAID, PEACH COUNTY HAS 278 PLAN AND DAYTONA BEACH IS THERE. >>ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING. >>ANY QUESTIONS? >>MR. STURGIS? >>THANK YOU. WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS EACH ORGANIZATION PLAN WITH THIS GRANT OF 178,000? CAN YOU GIVE ME THE 32 SECOND Ã Ã [INDISCERNIBLE] >>PLAN PROCEDURES FOR MAJOR SPECIES ÃÃ1973 ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT. THEY WILL GO OUT, LOOK, SURVEY THAT BEACH AND SAY WHY ARE YOU DRIVING AT 4:30 AND ONE. 270 SEA TURTLES WITH 20 DISORIENT PATIENTS. >>)DRIVING SO TRY AND HELP US VICTOR GUIDES? >>APPROPRIATE GUIDANCE FOR THE SEA LIFE ÃÃENDANGERED SPECIES [INDISCERNIBLE] WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH BIRDS. >>THEY WILL LOOK AT THE WHOLE BEACH AND COME BACK AND THEY WILL SAY THIS IS OUR PROCEDURE AND WE WILL NEED TO WHAT'S CALLED [INDISCERNIBLE] THESE ARE APPROPRIATE THINGS ON THE BEACH. EMERGENCY VEHICLES, LIFEGUARDS, PEACH CLEANING ÃÃDURING THE NIGHT. >>AFTER WE GET THIS PLAN ÃÃ THEN WHAT DOES IT DO FOR US? OTHER THAN GIVE US A PLAN? LIKE A FORTIFIED CLAIM. >>WE IMPLANTED. WE TOOK WHATEVER CHANGE IS THERE. >>OKAY. >>SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >>IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. REALLY POSITIVE THING. FOR ME, IT'S EVEN ENOUGH ÃÃIF YOU EVEN LOOK AT FROM A MARKETING POINT OF VIEW IS ECHO TOURISM. PEOPLE COME HERE BECAUSE IT'S A PRISTINE BEACH. BEACH OWNERS ÃÃHAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEACHES. THE COUNTY BEACH TDC ORGANIZATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BUT INSIGHT. DOES NOT DEAL WITH BEACHES THEMSELVES. THIS IS ACTUALLY LOOKS AT THE BEACHES AND NOW THE INVENTORY AND EVERYTHING ÃÃYOU LOOK AT THIS TEST TEST MUST BE 20 STAKEHOLDERS THERE INVOLVED. SO, I THINK IT'S A REAL POSITIVE THING. ALEX ÃÃIT'S BEEN A THREE-YEAR PROJECT. I WON'T GET INTO ANY DETAILS ORGANIZATION WHAT I SAID ABOUT THAT. [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT IT'S A GOOD THING. THERE WILL BE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE. BUT AFTER SPEECH DRIVING IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY. IT HASN'T GONE AWAY. IN ANY OF THE COMPANIES. >>THANK YOU. >>SO ÃÃIT TOOK LONGER THAN I ACTUALLY FIGURED I WOULD. [LAUGHTER] >>ANY QUESTIONS? >>THE PURPOSE WAS TO CLARIFY SOME PARTICULAR CDC FUNDING ISSUES RELATIVE TO THE SUSTAINING THE LAW. >>WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT BEACH WALK-THROUGH. >>OKAY, I FORGOT. >>YOU MISSED ONE. >>BEACH WALKER ÃÃSO, IN 2019 ÃÃTHE CORE ENGINEERING STUDY. THE CAME IN AND TOOK TO WE ADOPTED AND MADE UP THE PIT WITH THE ENGINEERING SAID BASICALLY SAID IS THE GAPS IN [00:30:03] THE DUNES ARE NOT GOOD. THE GAPS IN THE DUNES CAUSE REST. SO, WE HAVE ACTUALLY BUILT I THINK UP TO THIS POINT .5 REPLACE FIVE GAPS WITH WALKOVER'S. THE IDEA IS TO PROTECT THE FLOOR. ALL THE WALKS WE DON'T TOTAL WALKOVER SPREAD ON THE NORTH AND FROM OCEAN BOULEVARD OR OCEAN ROAD FOR REEFER ROAD OR WHATEVER TO THE BEACHES ABOUT 100 FEET IN THE DO ÃÃAND THEN THERE'S THAT JETTY THAT WE TALK ABOUT. AS YOU GET DOWN JUST AS FURTHER SOUTH OF MAINE ÃÃSOUTH MAIN BEACH ÃÃWE GET TO BE HUNDRED 50 OR WHATEVER. YOU GET TO SADLER AND SOUTH ÃÃ THOSE WALKOVER'S EXTEND UP TO OVER 300 FEET LONG WALKOVER'S. SO ÃÃTHOSE THINGS COST $400,000 EACH IF YOU REPLACE THEM. SO, DO WE WANT TO REPLACE THEM? >>THIS IS BEEN BROUGHT UP THESE THREE TIMES. TO PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS. SO, DOES OUR PLAN WANT TO REPLACE ELYSE WALKOVER'S. YOU GO SADLER SOUTH, THINK IS 13 AND BY COUPLE OF YEARS Ã THIS WITH THE MONEY ÃÃYOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $4.5 MILLION JUST FOR THE WALKOVER'S LIKE 12 WALKOVER'S. OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE WALK-THROUGHS? TO THE DOOM AND UP OPEN FOR DOING AND HE WALKED TO THE DUNES? WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE NOW. AND THAT IS A MONEY DECISION. AND THAT'S A DECISION THAT WE HAD WITH THE DUNES WHEN WE SURVEY PEOPLE. THAT'S A DECISION THAT ADMISSIONS HAVE NEVER MADE. IT'S A BIG MONEY DECISION. SO ÃÃTHAT 4.5 IS PROBABLY MUCH GREATER NOW WHEN INFLATION WAS GROWING UP. THAT'S NOT ANY WEIRDER. THAT WOULD BE SEQUENTIALLY WE PLACE IT. SO ÃÃWHAT DOES THE CITY NEED TO DO? MAINTAIN ALL THOSE WALKOVER'S OR BE MORE ECONOMICAL AND WALKOVER? AND WILL BE DIGITAL AND OUT ÃÃ EVERYBODY WANTS ONE IN THE WALKOVER. BUT THEN AS A MANAGEMENT DECISION ÃÃWE REPLACED ÃÃ WITH LEGISLATIVE MONEY ÃÃWE HAVE REPLACED IN THREE AND YOU KNOW, WE USED IMPACT FUNDS FOR THE MATCH. WE REPLACED ONE WITH TOTAL GRANT FROM THE AEP. SIX AND SIX NORTH WHICH IS DONE WITH THE GRANT. I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE COMING IN WITH THE GREAT. SO, WE REPLACED I THINK SIX GAPS IN DUNES, WHICH IS WHAT THE MANAGEMENT PLAN ÃÃTHAT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO TO IDENTIFY THAT RISK. >>AND THEN WE HAVE MORE. SO ÃÃIF YOU ARE AT THE NORTH END ÃÃYOU ARE AT GREATER RISK BECAUSE YOU WILL REPEAT THE PROCESS.T THE SOUTH END ÃÃ YOU GET THREE OR 400 FEET BUT THE RISK IS NOT AS GREAT. SO ÃÃWHAT YOU WANT TO DO? [INDISCERNIBLE] AND I THINK THAT'S A DECISION YOU NEED TO MAKE. YOU KNOW? I'LL BE GONE, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUDGETS ÃÃTHOSE WALKOVER'S ÃÃTHE CITY ÃÃ THEY ARE NOT BUILT FOR TOURISM'S. YOU KNOW? BECAUSE PEOPLE THE CITY WANTED THOSE WALKERS. AND GENERALLY ÃÃMOST OF THE SOUTH WANTS UNLESS WE HAVE 13 PARKING LOTS AND WE HAVE THREE BIG ONES AND SMALL ONES NOW. SO, THOSE ARE BASICALLY CITY FUNCTIONS. AND DECISIONS SAID, WE'VE KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND THE DECISION FOR A LONG TIME. SO WE SAID WE WANT TO HAVE OUR WALKOVER'S? DO WE WANT TO SAVE MONEY AND HAVE WALK-THROUGHS AND GUYS THAT WALK-THROUGH EXCEPT THE SUN OVER THE [INDISCERNIBLE] SO ÃÃTHAT'S A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE. WHENEVER. A BUNCH OF TIMES FIVE. >>IN THE SUN >>JUST AS WE HAD A BEACH ACCESS COMMITTEE ÃÃWE ADOPTED THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND NEED CHANGE IN COMMISSION DIRECTION ÃÃWE ARE PLANNING ON REPLACING EACH WALKOVER IS INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET REPLACING THE BEACH ACCESS WALKOVER. AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND WORK ON WITH THE NEXT ONES ARE. BUT THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND SO, STEP IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AS AVAILABLE FUNDING BASIS. SO IT DOESN'T SPELL OUT WHAT THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR WALKOVER'S ARE TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AND THEY ARE ALL DOWN AT THE SOUTH END. >>THOSE ARE BIG BIG DOLLARS. THAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED BEFORE WE APPROVED THE COURT ADDITION TO THE COURTROOM. >>MR. STURGIS? THANK YOU. I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND IT MAKES PERFECT COMMON SENSE EXCEPT FOR IF YOU ARE THE RESIDENCE THAT ARE MADE UP EACH WALKOVER THAT'S NOT THERE. I'VE A BUNCH OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS WHEN THEY ARE HIGHLY IRATE STILL THAT THEY DO [00:35:02] NOT HAVE A BEACH WALKOVER. THEY ARE JUST USED TO HAVING A BEACH WALKER THAT HE WALKED DOWN AND THEY ARE OLDER AND IT'S EASIER TO GET DOWN THAT DECK AND OVER THAT HUMP INSTEAD OF HAVING TO WALK DOWN THE SAND AND THEN GO OVER A BEACH WALKER. >>I DON'T DISAGREE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THOSE ARE THE DECISIONS. SO KAUFMAN SPENT FOUR OR $5,000,000.41 SPENT 1/4 OF THAT? >>SURE, ECONOMICALLY DOES TISHA THINK THE OTHER DECISION IS THE CORRECT ONE. BUT TO OUR CITY ÃTHIS MIGHT NOT BE. >>THEY WILL COME. [INDISCERNIBLE] >>THAT WAS LIKE ÃÃFINISHING UP THE POINT THAT I HAD. PROVIDING INFORMATION AND KNOCK ANY ACTION AT ALL. IT'S CONSISTENTLY ÃÃYOU KNOW ÃÃIT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS LAST STORM, WHICH REALLY WAS HE NOT? IN TERMS OF NONE OF THE STORMS THAT CAME TO AN TROPICAL STORM WINDS. BUT FOR WHAT THAT DID FOR THOSE AREAS IS AMAZING. AND BECAUSE OF THE NOURISHMENT OVER THE YEARS ÃÃTHE BEACHES ARE IN AND DISSENTS A LITTLE BIT TO THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DUNES AND REGULATION. THAT'S ANOTHER SUBJECT THAT I'LL GET INTO. SO, I'M FINISHED.>ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS OF CONVERSATION FOR THIS SESSION? >>THAT'S MY LAST WORKSHOP. [LAUGHTER] >THIS IS YOUR LAST WORKSHOP? >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >>WELL ÃÃ [INDISCERNIBLE] YOU SERVED US WELL, THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. WE APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. HE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.