[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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. >>> CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 4, 2022 FDOH CITY CONSUMER PRODUCT SAFETY WORKSHOP.
HOUSEKEEPING PERSONAL DEVICES . . .
ANY WAY TO REDUCE NOISE IN THE ROOM.
>> ANYWAY? >> ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN MANAGE IT. COVID-19, STILL WITH US AS I SAY PLEASE PROTECT YOUR HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF OTHERS AND WE WILL BE GENIAL DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS.
>> WHO ARE YOU LOOKING AT? >> I'M LOOKING BOTH WAYS.
>> SO ONCE AGAIN WE'LL GO UNTIL 8 O'CLOCK IF NECESSARY AND I WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END.
AND YOU'RE UNDECIDED, CORRECT? DO I HAVE ANYONE ELSE WHO CAME TO SPEAK ON THE BUDGET IN THE AUDIENCE? SEEING NO ONE ELSE, SO AROUND -- IF WE'RE STILL HERE AT 7:45 OR WHENEVER WE'RE READY TO ADJOURN I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU.
[4.1 Proposed FY 2022/2023 Budget]
OKAY, WHEN WE ADJOURNED LOUISIANA NIGHT COMMISSIONER BEAN HAD THE FLOOR. THERE HAVE A LIST OF PROJECTS AND WE WERE ABOUT TO DISCUSS ATLANTIC REC CENTER.>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONLY ONE LET ME ON THIS LIST IS THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER.
I HAVE IT ON THERE MORE FOR JUST A QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT MONEY, AND I WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE THE REC CENTER IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH.
DURING THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET DISCUSSION I DID -- I DON'T THINK I GOT A GOOD ENOUGH ANSWER AS TO WHAT THAT MONEY IS GOING FOR SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY ENGINEER OR MANAGER REPAIRS
ARE BEING DONE WITH THAT MONEY. >> CHARLIE GEORGE, CITY ENGINEER. LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND HOW WE GOT TO THE NUMBERS WE TALKED ABOUT.
AT THE REQUEST OF THE COMMISSIONERS BACK IN FIRST PART OF THE YEAR WE PURSUED AN ASSESSMENT WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THEY DID THAT ATLANTIC REC CENTER REPORT IN THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED A LOT OF TIMES OVER THIS TIME PERIOD THE ASSESSMENT PERFORMED DID NOT MEET WITH OUR EXPECTATIONS IN QUALITY AND INFORMATION AND THAT RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON ME. THE REPORT DID SUCCEED IN IDENTIFYING DEFICIENCIES AND ONE OF THEM WAS ADR COMPLIANCE BUT IT DID NOT PROVIDEED A QUAT INFORMATION LIKE EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR ISSUES. SPECIFICALLY THEY DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE WINDOWS [INDISCERNIBLE], THE HVAC SYSTEM, THE WALL CRACKS IN THE BUILDING BASICALLY THAT SEPARATES THE AQUATIC CENTER FROM THE AUDITORIUM AND [INDISCERNIBLE]. WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR IS THE ROOF OF THE ADMIN BUILDING, THIS IS ABOUT $200,000. THE WINDOWS FOR THE ADMIN AND THE AUDITORIUM, SO THE AUDITORIUM WAS 140, I BELIEVE, AND THE ADMIN WAS 60,000 SO THERE'S ANOTHER 200,000FUL THE STRUCTURAL VALUATION WHICH THEY DID RECOMMEND, 30,000.
AND THAT'S OUR ESTIMATE. THEY WOULD AN ESTIMATE IN THEIR REPORT OF 7,000. MY FORMER LIFE THAT'S WHAT I DID AND I WOULDN'T HAVE SHOWN UP FOR 7,000 SO WE FELT LIKE THAT NUMBER WAS OFF. AD THEN IF THE EVALUATION CAME BACK AND SAID WE HAD ISSUES YOU HAD TO ADDRESS IMMEDIATELY WE HAD IN THAT BUDGET, 220,000. SO THAT WHERE THE 650 COMES FROM, SO THAT'S THE BREAK DOWN, NOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THE STRUCTURAL VALUATION CAME BACK AND IT WASN'T URGENT WE WOULDN'T BE SPENDING THE 220 BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD TO DEAL WITH AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO TO HAVE AN EVALUATION COME OUT WITHOUT SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET TO ADDRESS IT IF THEY SAID YOU GOT
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A REAL PROBLEM. SO THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS IN THERE. THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TOE SAY IS THE CONSULTANT AS DONE THIS IN THE PAST, I BELIEVE IN USING CONSULTANTS THAT ARE QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED IN THIS KIND OF WORK, AND THIS CASE IT DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY WE WANTED IT TO BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS BUDGET WAS PREPARED FROM THE STAFF THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THESE FACILITIES FOR A LONG TIME, DEALING WITH THE MAINTENANCE, THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM, THEY UNDERSTAND THE COSTS BECAUSE THEY'VE DOPE ESTIMATES AND HAD BIDS SO THESE NUMBERS ARE BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND WE BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. SO THAT'S THE BREAK DOWN OF ATLANTIC REC CENTER FOR THIS YEAR.>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> CAN YOU PUT UP THAT PICTURE. .. SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER AND THIS IS THE AUDITORIUM BUILDING WHICH WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL I AM VOTING FOR THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE AND I'M GOING TO USE THAT WORD SUBSIDIZE PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
AND WHY IS THAT? WELL, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1956, AND IT CURRENTLY BRINGS IN $15,000 WORTH OF REVENUE A YEAR.
THE ELECTRIC BILL ON THAT BUILDING ALONE IS ESTIMATED ABOUT 18,000. SO YOU HAVE A NEGATIVE CASH FLOW JUST WITH THE ELECTRIC BILL OF THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WE'RE NOW AT A TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A HALF MILLION AND A MILLION DOLLARS IN RENOVATIONS INTO THAT BUILDING FOR THE -- IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE 15EN IF YOU TRIPLE IT 15 THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTHS OF 45 THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF REVENUE.
IT'S A SICK THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT SPACE, THERE'S USED TO BE THE ONLY PLACE IN THE COUNTY, IN THE CITY WHERE YOU COULD HAVE EVENTS. WE NOW HAVE A HOTEL DOWN THE STREET THAT HAS A SIMILAR 6,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE AND INTERESTINGLY, WE CHARGED $1,250 FOR A FULL COMMERCIAL DAY AND THEY CHARGE A THOUSAND DOLLARS. CHECKED IT OUT TODAY.
SO I'M -- THE REASON -- IF YOU WANT SMALL GOVERNMENT AND YOU WANT TO DECREASE THE COST OF GOVERNMENT THEN THIS -- IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YOUR CAN'T HAVE A NONPERFORMING ASSET LIKE THIS. THE MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, SEW WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE USE OF THIS BUILDING BY TAXPAYER FUNDS AND THAT IS THATI WILL BE VOTING FOR THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE AND I DO NOT BELIEVE IT CAN GO BACK TO THE RADICAL ROLL BACK RATE AND FUND PROJECTS LIKE THIS, WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE CITY. THINGS THIS IS USED FOR NONPROFITS BUT THERE A SOCIAL NETWORK COST THAT HAS TO BE PAID FOR SOMEHOW AND IT'S BEING PAID FOR BY THE TAX PAYERS SO THAT'S THE CHOICE. SO IF YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE BUILDINGS LIKE THIS AND DEMOLISH I IT AND ELIMINATE THAT COST THAT'S AN OPTION, THAT'S NOT THE OPTION I'M PROPOUNDING BUT THE OTHER OPTION IS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT THROUGH GENERAL FEES. I THINK GOING FORWARD WE WILL CONTINUE AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS WHAT TO DO WITH THAT BUILDING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT MIGHT BE A WIN-WIN SITUATION, BUT THOSE ARE FOR ANOTHER DAY.
SO THAT'S ALL OF TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> LAST NIGHT I DISCUSSED WHAT THE CITY ENGINEER CHARLIE IS TALKING ABOUT AND IT ACTUALLY [INDISCERNIBLE] BUILDINGS THAT MORPHED INTO EVALUATE TIER ONE BUILDINGS, THAT EVALUATION WAS A MILLION PAGES AND BUT THEY DID IDENTIFY THINGS THAT ARE TOTAL LIP CONSISTENT.
THEY HAD A BIG NUMBER OF 2,000,007 BUT T OFFERS THREE YEARS THEY WERE ONLY TALKING ABOUT $7,800.
SO OUR STAFF WENT OUT AND DID WHAT THEY DID AND EVALUATED APPROPRIATELY, WE HAVE ENGINEERS, WE HAVE MORE THAN COMMENCEMENT PEOPLE AND THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FOR THATTING BACK IN MAY WAS 900 -- $945,000. AND IT APPEARS WHAT'S NOT
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SHOWING UP IS THE FIRE SUPPRESSION THIS YEAR T.SO MY LITTLE SPEECH LAST NIGHT REALLY WASN'T A SPEECH, IT WAS BASICALLY SAYING WE HAVE A CABINET IMPROVEN PLAN, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE LAW, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING THAT WAS DEFERRED IN THE PAST. WITH LAMENTIC CENTER, WHEN WE DO THIS, WHEN WE SPEND EVALUATION AND THE IT COULD WELL COME BACK, THE STRUCTURAL EVALUATION, IT COULD BE THE TIPPING POINT FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT BUILDING BUT WENT WE DO THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO MAINTAIN THAT BUILDING INTO THE FUTURE.
I PERSONALLY AM NOT INTERESTED AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY IS INTERESTED IN THIS TALK THAT POPS UP ABOUT ONE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I PRETTY MUCH SAID LAST NIGHT AND ECHO WHAT CHIP IS SAYING, I WILL SUPPORT THE CURRENT 5.33 MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY SEVEN YEARS THAT WE ARE GOING TO FULLY FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT THAT WAS DEVELOPED.
THAT 1 A SPEECH, BUT IT? >> MR. STURGIS.
>>> I WANTED TO GO BACKWARDS AND SAY IF WE WERE TRYING THE CUT BACK TO GO TO THE ADJUSTABLE RATE WHAT WAS THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT
THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT. >> 950,000-DOLLARS.
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE NUMBER. SO THE OTHER TWO THINGS, SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT FOR MY BRAIN TO REGISTER WHAT I HEAR AND PROCESS IT FOR 24 HOURS SO ONE THINGS I DID HEAR YESTERDAY IN OUR DISCUSSION AND WHETHER WE USE THIS MILLION DOLLARS FOR WHAT IT IS OR NOT BUT I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BRETTS DISCUSSION AND SOMEHOW I DID NOT KNOW WE HAD ANY MONEY EARMARKED IN DEMOLISHING BRETTS. IS THAT CORRECT?
CITY MANAGER? >> [INDISCERNIBLE] RIGHT, THAT'S 1.3 MILLION BUT WHEN YOU FIRST CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL USE OF OR THE PROSPECTEDDIVE USES OF THE FEDERAL ARPA FUNDS THERE WAS A LINE LISTED FOR GOVERNMENT FACILITIES CAN THAT CAME TO ME ACTUALLY LISTED THAT AS POTENTIAL EWING FOR THE BRATS SHOULD WE EITHER HAVE TO DEMO THE BUILDING OR REPAIR THE BUILDING. OASES IF WE DON'T ALLOCATE THAT MONEY THEN THAT WHATEVER COST WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH DEMOING OR REPAIRING BRETTS WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM OTHER SOURCE OF
REVENUE. >> POSSIBLY A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PERSON THAT'S --
>> CORRECT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THERE ARE OH THINGS THAT WE CAN THAT'S THEORETICALLY USE THA MONEY FOR BUT FOR NOW THERE'S BEEN NO -- 3:00 STAFF IS NOT AWARE OF ANY PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD TO DO THAT SO BASICALLY IT'S A SAFETY NET IF THE CITY
HAS TO DEMO THE BUILDING. >> I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE THAT I WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT, SO WE -- I WOULD PREFER TO FIND A DIFFERENT ARPA PROJECT AND I WOULD PREFER TO PUSH FOR A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD COME ON THE CITY OR THE GOVERNMENT'S DIME, WHO'S GOING TO TAKE EIGHT OVER IS GOING TO HAVE WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE ANY WAYS A REDUCED LEASE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A VERY EXPENSIVE BUILDING BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE THAT AREAER A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY THAT RESTAURANT. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO GO WITH THAT. SO GETTING TO ANOTHER -- [INDISCERNIBLE] (SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY.)
>> AND SO SECONDLY BRADLEY I DID HEAR THAT THERE'S 200,000 TO REPAIR THE REC CENTER IF WE NEED IT FOR THE STRUCTURAL AND WHICH WOULD -- CHARLIE AND GEORGE SAID --
>> SO WHAT'S THE HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED $200,000 TO PUT FOR 46 RAM JACKINGS INS IN THERE TO LEVEL ONE WALL? JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.
>> WHEN WE FIRST FOUND THAT THERE'D BEEN SOME SETTLEMENT, WE REACHED OUT TO ALPHA TECHNOLOGIES WHO DOES THE UNDERPINNING AND THEIR PRICE WAS $180,000.
>> INTERESTING. >> SO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR
>> THAT'S WHERE MY NUMBER CAME --
>> I AGREE, JUST SEEMS AWFUL EXPENSIVE FOR A AN EIGHT INCH
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DROP IN A WALL. >> BUT YOU REALIZE YOU GOING TO
TO DO THAT WHOLE SIDE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, HOWEVER --
>> IT SHOCKED US TOO, AND THEY'RE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE
COUNTRY THAT DOES THIS STUFF. >> ALL RIGHT.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR THE MOMENT ABOUT ATLANTIC
REC CENTER. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.
I DO -- COMMISSIONER STURGES IS ON TO SOMETHING AND I WOULD LOOKS LIKE TO ASK ONE MORE QUESTION OF CHARLIE IF I COULD THERE, WHICH IS THIS -- YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE -- WE CAN ORDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THE 30,000-DOLLAR WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON THE STUDY TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO DO THE 200,030 -- THE 230,000-DOLLAR PROJECT, TO SEE IF WE NEED THAT HOW LONG WILL THAT STUDY TAKE AND WHEN WILL WE GET THE RESULTS BACK IS
THIS. >> I WOULD THINK -- GOING BACK TO MY FORMER LIFE PROBABLY 30 DAYS TO DO IT.
THEY'VE GOING TO COME IN AND THEY DO AN ASSESSMENT, THEY DO SOME MONITORING AND THEN THEY'LL START LOOKING AT WHAT CAUSED IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST NAME YOU DO, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN, SO YOU START COMING UP WITH OPTIONS, SO I WOULD SAY 30 TO 60 DAYS FROM THE TIME WE START.
>> AND YOU WOULD START THAT IMMEDIATELY.
>> CORRECT. >> SO WE WOULD KNOW BY JANUARY?
>> HOPEFULLY YES. >> JUST BUILDING ON COMMISSIONER STURGES' POINT IS THAT I MEAN, AT THAT POINT YOU'RE ALMOST HALFWAY AROUND THE HORNIST BUDGET, SO MY QUESTION IS WE MAY OR MAY NOT NEED THIS $200,000 AND WHAT'S THE PLAN IF WE DON'T NEED IT? WHAT ARE WE BEGIN TO DO WITH THAT IF WE DON'T NEED IT AND AS SAN ENGINEER I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A CON TENSION AS WELL; IF A BUSINESS IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT SO WHAT IS OUR PLAN AS A COMMISSION WHEN WE GETS THIS SURPLUS REVENUE? WHERE IS IT GOING.
>> CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT TO THAT?
>> YES, PLEASE. >> AS I SAID THAT COST IS BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE SOLUTION WOULD BE BE YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT WOULD OTHER SIDE AS AN ENGINEER THAT IT COULD BE A T LO MORE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME CRACKS IN THE MAY SOB MASONRY THAT I THINK ARE RELATED TO THAT BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY TO COME IN TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT OTHER IMPACTS THAT SETTLEMENT HAS OCCURRED TO THE ROOF TRUSSES TO ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS SOLVE IT, SO YES I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE LESS BUT YOU AL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
IT COULD BE MORE. >> IF THIS TURNS OUT THE WAY WE THINK IT WILL AND WE NEED TO SPEND THE 230,000-DOLLAR THE TO DO THIS REPAIR WHAT WOULD YOUR OPINION BE OF THE REC CENTER?
WOULD YOU SAY WE'RE GOOD TO GO? >> WHAT I WOULD DO IN THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR WAS I WOULD HAVE THEM LOOK AT NOT JUST THE WALL BUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM, AND SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN IT WOULD BE -- WE MAY BE ABLE TO STAGE SOME OF THE WORK THROUGH MULTIPLE YEARS OR NOT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, BUT I THINK THE 220 WAS BASICALLY SOLVING THE FOUNDATION PROBLEM ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE AUDITORIUM, SO THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES.
BECAUSE THIS CONSULTANT BASICALLY SAID YOU NEED AN EVALUATION, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYMORE WITH IT SO THERE COULD BE OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE PROBLEM THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IDENTIFIED YET SO THAT EVALUATION SHOULD BE A TOTAL OF THE THREE OPERATIONS, THE ADMIN, THE AQUATICS AND AUDITORIUM, AND IF WE CAN DO THEM COST EFFECTIVELY I THINK YOU'VE GOT AT LEAST TEN MORE
YEARS. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN BY THAT SAME VETERAN OF WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY? AS COMMISSIONER STURGES' POINT ABOUT THE SITUATION IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LEASE IS GOING TO BE CAN IT'S NO SECRET THAT WE GOT A TOUGH DEAL WITH THE LAST LEASE WITH BRATS AND I'M HOPING WE'LL RENEGOTIATE T A BETTER DEAL BUT I WOULD LIKE TO -- HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOME YOUNG ENTREPRENEUR READY TO COME IN HERE AND BUILT SOME BUILDING THAT THEY WOULD SEE FIT AND THAT WOULD BE THEN TAKING ON THE COST SO IF THAT HAPPENS LIKE COMMISSIONER STURGES I THINK IS SAYING WE HAVE THAT 1.1 EARMARKED SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALL WITH BE AWARE -- WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS THAT MILLION DOLLARS DOESN'T GO TO
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SOMETHING THAT ISN'T IMPACTFUL AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE READY FOR THAT, SO I'LL READ ANY CEDE MY TIME TO THE MAYOR.>> MR. JORDAN. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS
FOR -- >> I WANTED TO ANSWER, TO DO
WITH THE MONEY. >> LET'S DEAL WITH ATLANTIC REC CENTER. SO AS I SAID YESTERDAY IMPORTANT AND URGENT. $200,000 FOR WINDOWS FOR THE ADMIN AND THE AUDITORIUM, IMPORTANT, YES.
>> IMPORTANT AND URGENT BECAUSE THEY'RE LEAKING NOW.
>> OKAY, ROOF REPLACE. >> IMPORTANT.
>> OKAY. WHEN DOES IT REACH URGENT?
>> IT LEAKS NOW SO I MEAN -- >> IT LEAKS NOW.
AND AS YOU SAID THE EVALUATION COULD COME BACK WHERE IT'S
[INDISCERNIBLE] IT'S POSSIBLE. >> AND AS AN ENGINEER WHAT ARE THE SCENARIOS -- WHAT ARE THE LIKELY SCENARIOS OF NEW MONEY?
>> I THINK BASED ON JUST MY BEING OUT THERE, ADDRESSING THE FOUNDATION ON THE WEST SIDE IS I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO THAT 200,000. THE PRICE WE GOT WAS BACK IN MAY OR APRIL WAS 180, SO WHO KNOWS NOW.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER STRUCTURAL THINGS LIKE CRACKS IN THE MASONRY THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REPAIR SO I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE ASTRO NOT ONLYICALLY OVER THE TWO WET -- 220 BUT IT
COULD BE 250. >>> I READ THE E-MAIL YOU SENT TO COMMISSIONER ROSS ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE FUNDING AND YOU WROTE FOR 23/24, 150,000 FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION.
>> SURE. >> THE PROBLEM WITH URGENT IS IT HASN'T HAD IT SO HOW CAN -- I MEAN, ALL OF THE SUDDEN I CAN'T SAY IT'S URGENT BECAUSE I'M HERE NOW BUT I THINK THE FIRE CHIEF COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>> 100,000 FOR AQUATICS. >> DUMP IT ON SOMEBODY ELSE.
>> 100,000 FOR AQUATICS IS IMPORTANT BUT NOT URGENT.
>> WHAT THAT IS THAT FOR? >> MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
>> GOT IT. AND YOU SAID POTENTIALLY 70,000 FOR MISCELLANEOUS STRUCTURAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WHAT WOULD THOSE INCLUDE? >> IT'S JUST INTERIOR THINGS, SOME NONLOAD BEARING WALLS THAT NEED SOME WORK, JUST MINOR STUFF IS THAT -- JUST GENERAL DETERIORATION.
>> THEN FOR YEARS 24/25, 280,000 FOR MISCELLANEOUS INTERIOR HVAC
AND AQUATIC. >> YES, THERE AGAIN THE HVAC IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS -- IT'S REACHING THE END OF THE SERVICEABLE LIFE, IS IT URGENT? , IT'S OBVIOUSLY IMPORTANT AND THE OTHERWISE ARE IMPORTANT BUT NOT URGENT ALSO.
>> JUST FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING BUDGET, BUDGET IN FUTURE BUDGETING THAT A MILLION DOLLARS.
>> ACTUALLY 815,000. >> IT'S 430 -- 430,000 FOR 23/24 -- YEAH AND IT'S 280 IN -- YEAH.
SO WE'RE TALKING A MILLION BUCK. >> WHAT I SAID BEFORE.
BETWEEN 500 A MILLION. >> RIGHT.
SO JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE BUILDING.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> I LIKE YOUR URGENT AND
IMPORTANT STUFF. >> THANK YOU.
OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROSS YOUR LIGHT IS
STILL ON. >> FIRST OF ALLTY LIKE USING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY SORT OF IF YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY TO DEMOLISH THAT OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY AS PART OF THE DEAL ABSOLUTELY.
THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS DOWN THERE ARE GOING TO BE 600, 800,000 A SQUARE FOOT BUT NUMBER TWO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS PUT IT IN THE CONTINGENCY FUND SO THERE'S A CONTINGENCY FUND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO WITH THE 200,000 IF WE SHOULD NEED IT
WHICH HOPEFULLY WE WON'T. >> I THINK WE'RE -- I THINK WE HAVE AGREEMENT. WE HAVE THE BEST REALLY
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LEGITIMATES CAPITAL I WANT PRIVATE PLAN WE'VE EVER HAD.LET'S FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS PRESENTED AND IF THE DESIRE IS TO MAKE CUTS, MAKE THE CUTS OUT OF THE ORANGE [INDISCERNIBLE] COMMISSIONER I HAVE ONE MORE POINT OF DISCUSSION, AFTER THE REC CENTER -- ARE WE GONE WITH
THE REC CENTER? >> SO I HAD COMMISSIONER STURGES [INDISCERNIBLE], LET ME JUST MAYBE ONE OTHER COMMENT AND THAT IS THE COLLAR AROUND BRETTS ALSO NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED AND THAT'S ON US. SO EVEN IF YOU -- AND MR. GEORGE, WHAT'S THE ESTIMATE FOR REPAIRING THAT COLLAR SECTION? WHICH IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE COLLAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
TIMBER PART OF IT? >> YES, THE WALKWAYS.
>> BETWEEN 50 AND 60,000. >> SO WE'RE DONE WITH ATLANTIC REC CENTER AND WE AGREE THE ION ITEM STAYS SO COMMISSIONER STURGES DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RESCUE ACT FUNDS?
>> I REALLY THINK A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP SHOULD BE TAKING THAT DEALT AND REBUILDING IT. AND TO CHIP'S POINT ABOUT 1.1 OR 1.3 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE -- WHATEVER THE -- I SEE 1.3 ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER, BRADLEY SAID 1.1 A MINUTE AGO, I JUST THINK THAT SOMEBODY WILL TAKE THAT SPACE.
THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE VALUE THAT OUR WATERFRONT HAS AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LET THAT PERSON TAKE THAT AND SO WE CAN LEAVE IT HERE AS A PENTAGON HOLDER IF YOU FEEL LIKE, BUT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO OTHER PROJECTS AND MAYBE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUTT BUDGET THIS EVENING, I THINK PRIVATE MONEY WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT EVENTUALLY, JUST HAS TO BE THE RIGHT PRIVATE MONEY AND THEY WILL COME. TRUST ME IF YOU ADVERTISE IT THEY WILL COME. CURRENTLY ADVERTISE NOT ADVERTISED THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A NEW PERSON TAKE OVER OUR RESTAURANT. OR THE SAVERS WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE WITH A READJUSTED NEW LEASE.
ANYWAYS SO THERE'S 1.1 OR 1.3 MILLION DOLLARS THAT COULD BE EMPLOYED SOMEWHERE ELSE. I ASKED DALE TODAY AND I'M JUST GOING TO BRING UP THE NUMBERS BRIEFLY FROM WHAT WE HAVE ACCOUNT EVERY YEAR SO DIFFERENT CITY COMMISSION DO BETTER WITH THE MID TO UPPER OR WE DO BET ERR AS A AND I WITH WHAT COMES AT US, WHO KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT BUT OUR SLUSH FUND MONEY THAT KEEP IS GETTING MOVED EVERY YEAR IN 27 WAS A HALF MILLION 5358, 2018 WAS ROUGHLY 1 MILLION.
2019 WAS 1.8 MILLION. 2020 WAS 242,021 WAS 20,780,002,022 SO FAR HAS BEEN A HALF A MILLION 545,000.
AND DALE OR PAULINE HAVE ANSWERED THAT SO I GOT AN IDEA HOW A RUNNING BALANCE GOES AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE SALARIES, WE HAVE TWO POSITIONS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT HASN'T BEEN FILLED AND WE HAVE POSITIONS ACROSS THE CITY THAT DON'T GET FILLED. WITH THOSE MINUTE MUST BEES WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO EDGE PLOY THAT MONEY BUT WHOEVER COMES THE CLOSEST WITH THEIR BUDGET, SO OBVIOUSLY IN 2018 WHOEVER CREATED THAT BUDGET DID A GREAT JOB AND IN 2021, WHOEVER CREATED THAT BUDGET DID A GREAT JOB, OR WE JUST HAPPENED TO BALANCE OUT SO I'M JUST POINTING OUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE EXCESS MONEY EVERY YEAR SO THERE'S A HIGHWAY LIKELIHOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MESS MONEY THISSIER. SO THE QUESTION GOT -- WHEN I SAID WE CAN PICK UP AND DO ROADS THERE'S IN WAY WE CAN DO THAT, WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT. IF WE GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR I UNDERSTAND GOVERNMENT HAVE PROCEDURES TO FOLLOW BUT WE SHOULD BE PRETTY NIMBLE IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT AND SAYING OKAY, TO BRADLEY'S POINT, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REACH THE ROLLBACK RATE, HOW FAR TO MY POINT, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE A
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POINT THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR IF WE BUDGETED CORRECTLY WE'RE WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, WE'RE CLOSE, WHY CAN'T WE DEPLOY $200,000 IN THE MIDDLE TO HAVE YEAR FOR NEW SOFTWARE OR IF WE ALL VOTE FOR IT AND WE ALL KNOW THE BUDGET IS WHAT IT IS, WE CAN RUN SOME OF THESE NUMBERS CHLOEER AND I'M NOT THE PERSON TO UNDERSTAND -- I'VE ONLY SPENT TWO OR THREE WEEKS WITH THIS BUDGET, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT AS A PROFESSIONAL AND SEEING THAT THERE SHOULD BE WAY TO CUT SOME OF THIS MONEY AND BE ABLE THE USE IT, HOWEVER I DON'T KNOW THE CORRECT WAY.SO I'M THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE OVERAGES EVERY YEAR AND I JUST TOLD YOU THE NUMBERS. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT BUT THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT.
>> CITY MANAGER, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD ON A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ON THE BRETTS LOCATION OF THE PRIVATE PARTY AGREEING TO DEMO THE BUILDING, REPAIR THE UNDER STRUCTURE AND
BUILD A NEW BUILDING? >> NO ONE AS APPROACHED ME YET AND I KNOW THAT THE SPOT WOULD PROBABLY COST ENOUGH THAT WE ARE STILL IN LITIGATION ON THIS AND SOME OF THIS MAY BE --
>> IF. >> WE ARE IN THE PROCESS MR. GEORGE AND I ARE REVIEWING OUR DRAFT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR 101 NORTH FRONT STREET THAT WILL PROBABLY BE OUT THERE WEEK, SO WE SHOULD GET SOME IDEA FOR THAT BUT TO ALSO TALK ABOUT WHAT WOULD HERE'S THEICALLY THE OTHER PROJECTS BE USED.
THE CITY JUST GOT A GRANT TO DO THE $1 MILLION FOR THE DESIGN FOR THE SEA WALL. THERE IS NO MONEY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO BUILD WHAT WE DESIGNED AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE THERE'S BEEN EC CONSENSUS FROM THE CITY COMMISSION ON WHAT IS THE NEXT SECTION WE DESIGN BECAUSE THAT'LL BE THE NEXT SECTION WE BUILD -- SO THERE IS NO MONEY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET TO BUILD A SEA WALL THAT WE JUST GOT A MILLION GRANT TO DESIGN, AND ALSO IS A GRANT APPLICATION, A MATCHING GRANT APPLICATION THAT MS. JACOB PREPARED FOR RESILIENCY THAT.
$250,000 MATCH MONEY IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, SO THERE ARE -- YES, DO I HOPE THAT SOMEBODY WILL RIDE IN ON A WHITE HORSE WITH BAGS OF MONEY? ABSOLUTELY FROM 101 NORTH FRONT STREET AND THE BRETT SIDE BUT WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THERE AND WE MAY HAVE TO PAY OTHER COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRETTS LITIGATION, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THOSE OF COURSE WE CAN FIND OTHER ARPA QUALIFIED COMMISSION APPROVED PROJECTS ON
WHICH TO SPEND THE ARPA MONEY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO BRING -- YOU'RE PUTTING THE CARTS BEFORE THE HORSE. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE ON. IT'S IN ACTIVE LITIGATION AND THEY WON'T GET DECIDED UNTIL THE 17TH.
AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT -- THE RESTAURANT THERE, IT'S BUILD A RESTAURANT THERE YOU GOT TO DEMOLISH IT AND IT'S AROUND A MILLION BUCK AND RECOLLECT YOU GOT TO BUILD A RESTAURANT THERE AND YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING SEVEN TO EIGHT TO 900 A SQUARE FOOT AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, AND IT STARTS TO GET THE -- SO THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE HO CAN DO THAT AND MAY WANT TO DO IT BUT IT'S A LONG-TERM THING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO GO TO GET SOMEBODY COMING INTO THAT AND I AGREE WITH YOU 100% AND ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT NOW FOR ABOUT THREE YEAR SO IT'S NOTHING NEW.
>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN.
>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, MY NEXT QUESTION AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE I HAVE FOR THE BUDGET AND IT'S FOR DALE.
DID YOU FILED OUT WHERE WE -- [INDISCERNIBLE] IN THE BUDGET, NO IT'S NOT. IT WILL BE ADDED BACK, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE SANITATION FUND IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND AND SOME OF YOU GOT A LETTER THAT THE DONATION FROM KEEP NASSAU BEAUTIFUL THAT'S $500,000 SO I HAVE ADDED
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THAT TO THE BUDGET AND THERE IS A CONSENSUS.IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE MILLAGE RATE AND IT WAS $5,000 FOR THE
PAST MANY YEARS. >> WHAT'S OUR OVERAGE IN THE
SANITATION FUND? >> WE'RE ABOUT 50 TOTAL FOR THE OVERAGE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY BUDGETED.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE TO FUND GNAW IS A, KEEP THAT NASSAU BEAUTIFUL
OUT OF THE TREE FUND? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
>> HUNDRED 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE TREE FUND, THEY HAVE A
AGGRESSIVE TREE PROJECT -- >> I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF WHICH POT YOU WANT TO DRAW FROM. I THINK EITHER ONE CAN ADEQUATELY FUND I WOULD. I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER BEAN WAS GOING TO GO CAN YOU OPPORTUNITY IT A LITTLE MORE.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY LET'S GO TO 6,000 FOR KEEP NASSAU BEAUTIFUL IF YOU'RE AMENABLE TO THAT.
>> DO I HEAR SEVEN? DO I HEAR EIGHT.
I WOULD GO BACK TO THIS THEM ANY WHAT DO YOU NEED AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT AT THAT POINT.
>> THREE TO $5,000 COVERS IT AND IF THEY NEED MORE MONEY THEY CAN COME AND ASK AND I'M VERY ACCOMMODATING TO THAT.
AND IT MIGHT BE FIVE-THOUSANDTH. >> THAT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S
$5,000. >> SEE WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY
NEED. >> THEN I'M HAPPY TO HEAR --
>> SO I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS WE WANT THE FUND THEM, THE
QUESTION IS HOW MUCH. >> I WILL REACH OUT TO KEEP
NASSAU BEAUTIFUL. >> THANK YOU.
>> WHILE THIS COMMISSION DID SET THE GOAL IN SEGMENT SEVEN WHICH JUST HAPPENS TO BE WHERE WE NEED IT IT'S THE LOWEST AREA ON THE WATERFRONT. I KNOW IT'S CLICKED BY WHAT WOULD BE THE 101 RFP, WHICH I DIDN'T SEE; THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD OF THAT SO I WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT IS
IN THE GOAL. >> CORRECT BUT FROM A DESIGN STAND AND FOR THE CITY COMMISSION -- MR. GEORGE AND MYSELF AND OTHER CITY STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PREPARE AN APPLICATION TO THE DE.P. AND OTHER AGENCIES FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A BULK HEAD AND WE ARE WORKING ON ACHIEVING CONSENSUS AMONG THE FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS THERE AS TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE LOCATED AND I THINK ONCE WE GET THAT CONSENSUS WE'LL SUBMIT A PRE-APPLICATION TO THE STATE AND THE STATE WILL EAST APPROVE OR REJECT AND ONCE WE CAN GET THAT APPROPRIATE APPROVAL FROM THE STATE AT LEAST THEN WE CAN START TO DESIGN WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO BUT FROM THE CURRENT STANDPOINT IS HOW DO WE DESIGN A WALL WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING
TO GO. >> THAT'S A CONSENSUS AND THAT WAS A GOAL AND MORE IMPORTANT THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED IT.
>> THERE'S CONSENSUS ON THAT? >> CORRECT.
>> OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE PROJECTS? I HAVE ONE. SO ON THIS LIST AND THE VICE MAYOR, MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER ROSS WERE HERE ON SIMMONS ROAD PARK. THAT PARK IS NOT FINISHED.
THAT PARK HAS BEEN OPEN TWO YEARS.
IT HAS NO PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. ZERO.
THAT WAS THE SEAT BELT WAS NOT ONLY A NATURE TRAIL BUT A FULLY TOP RATED ADA COMPLIANT PLAYGROUND.
THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE VOTE. AND I'M EMBARRASSED THAT IT'S BEEN OPEN TWO YEARS AND THAT -- THERE'S NO EQUIPMENT IN SIGHT.
IT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET. HOWEVER IT HAVE FUNDERRED IMPACT FEES AND THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT IT NEEDED TOWN UNDER THED WITH IMPACT FEES. IT'S A BRAND NEW PARK UNCOMPLETED. SO WHY ARE WE NOT -- WE'VE GOT
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$3 MILLION IN IMPACT FEES. WHY ARE WITH WE -- WHAT WOULD THE ESTIMATE FOR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT BE ROUGHLY PLEASE?>> SCOTT MICHAELSON, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND RECREATION, I I WOULD SAY YOU'RE LOOKING BETWEEN 250 TO 300,001 OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR THAT IS ANY PIECE OF PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT YOU WOULD PUT OUT THERE IT HAVE TO HAVE THE MAIN THING TO MAKE IT ADA ACCESSIBLE IS POUR AND PLAY AND THAT IS EXPENSIVE SO I WOULD BE AGAINST PUTTING PLAYGROUND QUILT OUT
THERE WITHOUT THAT SURFACING. >> SO WHAT WOULD THE COST BE.
>> SO MY TOTAL IN THAT SMALL AREA ESTIMATE WOULD BE I WOULD HAVE TO SAY AROUND 300,000-DOLLARS.
>> THAT'S EQUIPMENT AND POUR AND PLAY.
>> YES. >> SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 300,000-DOLLARS FOR EQUIPMENT SO MY QUESTION TO MY FELLOWS IS WHY
AREN'T WE DOING IT? >> MY LIGHT IS ON.
>> AGE, I GOT SO CONCENTRATED LOOKING I DIDN'T SEE THE LIGHTS.
COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
>> HERE'S WHY I'M OPPOSED TO THAT.
WE HAVE SEVEN PARKS AND SEVEN PLAYGROUNDS AND IT'S IN THE COUNTY. WE'RE PUTTING ANOTHER PARK IN WITH MORE MAINTENANCE, WE HEAR EVERY YEAR WE GOT TO CATENATION POSSESSIONS AND NOW WE'RE ADDING SOMETHING ELSE TO TAKE CARE OFFUL I WAS OPPOSED TO ITS TO AGAIN WITH AND ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS GOING TO BE PRIVATE PEOPLE RAISING THAT MONEY TO FUND THAT PARK, THAT WAS ALL SUPPOSED TO BE FROM PRIVATE DONATIONS SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP AT A LATER POINT, THAT'S FINEING I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED TODAY BUT I I'M NOT KEEN ON FUNDING ANOTHER PARK.
I AM KEEN ON TAKING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE AND USING IT TO MAKE ALL OUR PARKS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AS AD.A. COMPLIANT AS POSSIBLE, SO I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE US IF I CAN, MAKE GOODS WHAT WE HAVE THAN ADDING SOMETHING ELSE AND WE HAVE ONE MORE PARK TO FUND. SO IF THE COUNTY WANTS TO COME IN THEY HAVE A 110 MILLION-DOLLAR BUDGET FOR PARKS AND REC OF WHICH WE GOT ZERO, SO WHY DON'T WE ASK THEM TO IF YOU WANT THAT SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD -- IF YOU WANT TO PUT IN PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE LET'S ASK SOMEONE ELSE TO FUND THAT, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN BY THE WAY,
AM I CORRECT? >> PARTIALLY AND.
>> I AGREE AND AGREE WHICH I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO SAY BUT PARKS I AGREE. I'M DISAGREEING THAT I THINK A LOT OF THE REASON THAT PARK DIDN'T GET PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT BECAUSE THEY STRATEGICALLY TRIED TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE. I WAS HERE FOR THAT MEETING AND THERE WAS LOTS OF TREE ACTIVISTS THAT WERE OUT HERE; THERE WAS ABOUT 40 OF THEM THAT NIGHT. THERE WERE 40 TREE ACTIVISTS OUT HERE AND THEY DID NOT WEATHER CHANNEL TO WANT TO SEE ANY MORE TREES PULLED AND I DO THINK THAT AREA IS GOING TO BECOME MORE CITY EVERY DAY AS WE AN OBSERVATION, SO I WON'T TALK MUCH MORE THOUGHT ABOUT, WE'VE MONEY THAT WE'RE USING TO MOVE SEWER AND WATER THAT DIRECTION SO WE CAN START PICKING UP RESIDENTS. HOWEVER I DO WARRANT TO BRING UP
CENTRAL PARK. >> I'M DONE WITH -- I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO PUT A PARK OUT THERE MYSELF.
>> THE PARK WAS BUILT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN, BASED OP THE LOCATIONS AND WE SHOULD FINISH ITS AND USE IMPACT FUNDS AS AUTHORIZED FOR NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. LET'S GET A MASTER PLAN SETTLE
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AND BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS. >>> I ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS VOTED AGAINST IT AND IT WAS A 2-3 VOTE BECAUSE IT WAS SIX-ACRES OF BEAUTIFUL NATURAL GOLF COURSE PROPERTY AND WE TORE IT UP, IT'S A NATURE TRAIL AND NOW IT'S UNFINISHED AND THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION APPROVED IT AND BECAUSE THE MAJORITY IS GONE NOW IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO ADDITION APPROVE IT SO WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS. BUT WE CAN DISCUSSION THIS AT A FUTURE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I WILL REVISIT IT.
HOW'S THAT. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH
THAT. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES OUR VICE
MAYOR -- >>ON THAT WE'RE DISAPPROVING ANYTHING. IT WAS APPROVED.
>> IT WAS APPROVED YES. >> SO THE QUESTION IS WHY AREN'T WE MOVING FORWARD? IF WE'RE GOING TO START SECOND-GUESSING AND CHANGINGINGT AS COMMISSIONS CHANGE -- YOU KNOW, THE PARK WAS BUILT, IT WAS IN THE DESIGN AND TRANSFERRED THE EQUIPMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON TO CENTRAL PARK, WE
DIDN'T FINISH THE PARK. >> YES, I AGREE THAT'S MY POINT.
>> AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO -- IS ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO START DOING THAT WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT AREN'T DONE?
>> SO I HAVE COMMISSIONER STURGES AND COMMISSIONER ROSS.
ARE YOU ON SIMMONS ROAD? >> I WANT TO RESPOND TO THE SECOND GUESSING COMMISSIONS. AS I RECALL THERE WAS A LAWSUIT FILED FOR CONDEMNATION OF A CERTAIN PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THAT WAS 4-1 AND ANOTHER COMMISSION CAME BEHIND IT AND CHANGED IT SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
YOU ASKED ME ARE WE GOING TO SECOND GUESS -- I MEAN, SO WE DO THAT AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD BUT THIS IS NOT UNIQUE, THIS HAPPEN
FREQUENTLY. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES.
>> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT CENTRAL PARK.
>> SO WE'LL REVISIT SIMMONS ROAD PARK, WE'LL PUT IT ON A WORKSHOP AGENDA AND THE IMPACT FEES ON THAT WORK SHOP SINCE WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE EXPERT NOW ON RETAINER AND WHATEVER OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE THINK THAT $3 MILLION WILL BE USEFUL FOR.
SO COMMISSIONER STURGES YOU WANT THE TALK ABOUT CENTRAL PARK.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR. >> I WANT TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT WE HAD MONEY PREVIOUSLY IN FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
AND I'M JUST MAKE SURE HA WE HAVE THE MONEY IN, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. I SEE THE LINE ITEM.
I JUST WANTED TUBAGES OFF OF SCOTT REAL QUICKLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CENTRAL PARK, SO WHEN WE APPROVE THIS WHICH I DESPERATELY WANT TO SEE IT APPROVED JUST AS BAD AS NOW WE ARE HERE BRADLEY, WE ARE HERE BRADLEY AND IT IS NOT 227 OR 26, SO EVEN IF THIS IS A SPEECH I WANT TO MAKE SURE HA WE'RE READY TO 'EM EMPLOY IT AND INSTALL A NICE PLAYGROUND IN CENTRAL PARK.
>> AND SCOTT THAT INCLUDES THE ADA.
ALL RIGHT. GENTLEMEN ANYTHING ELSE ON OUR PROJECTS? VICE MAYOR.
>> SO THINGS IN RESPONSE TO A COMMENT YOU JUST MADE.
WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT [INDISCERNIBLE] WHICH IS THE SIMPLEST THING IN THE WORLD WITH THE OPINIONS BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE JUST HIRED A SCULPT -- CONSULTANT FOR 50 GRAND WHO GAVE US A BUNCH OF GARBAGE.
IF WE HAVE A QUALIFIED STAFF WE DON'T NEED TO COVER OUR YOU KNOW WHAT ALL THE TIME WITH CONSULTANTS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BE INEFFICIENT WITH TAX PAYERS' MONEY.
>> THAT WAS A SPEECH. I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS
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ONE. >> NO, IT'S REAL SIMPLING.
I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT A CURRENT IF BUDGET AS WRITTEN VERY CAPABLY BY STAFF AT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE.
>> WE CANNOT ADOPT A BUDGET, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED. WE ADVERTISE THIS AS A BUDGET WORKSHOP SO THAT MAY BE WHY WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE
FROM THE PUBLIC. >> LET ME REPHRASE IT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A VOLT OF CON SEND US TO SEE IF WE CAN GO FORWARD ADOPTING THE CURRENT BUDGET WITH THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE.
>> DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND.
>> ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING A CONSENSUS.
>> MADE OUR OPINIONS VERY CLEAR. >> I HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN.
SO INFORMALLY IF YOU'RE FOR THE CITY MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED? OKAY. SO CAN CONSENSUS IS FOUR TO ONE FOR IF MILLAGE RATE AND THEN THE ONLY THING LEFT AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IMPACT FEES, THE REASON FOR CONTRACTING WITH AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY IS BECAUSE ALL OF THE DIFFERING OPINIONS THAT IN MY THREE AND A HALF YEARS ON THIS COMMISSION I HAVE SEEN USES FOR THOSE FUNDS AND I KEEP HEARING IT'S ONLY FOR NEW PROJECTS, WELL IT'S NOT ONLY FOR NEW PROJECTS AND THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE YOU ARE THE COURTS.
WE TORE OUT PERFECTLY GOOD COURTS AND REPLACED THEM.
THEY'RE NOT NEW. IT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE BEING BUILDING THE WALL AND WE USED IMPACTS FEES.
SO THIS BUSINESS ABOUT IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING NEW WAS A NEXUS TO GROWTH, EXCUSE MY -- THAT'S A LOAD OF CRAP OKAY AND THE SAME THING WITH THE LIGHTING. YOU HAVE REPLACED IT WITH DIFFERENT LIGHTING SO WE ARE ALL OVER THE MAP ON IMPACT FEES AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS AN OUTSIDE EXPERT WHO WILL TELL US -- BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS WHO LIKE TO BE LAWYERS -- OKAY, I'M NOT CATIONING ASPERSIONS AND DISAGREE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY SO NOW WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE EXPERT AND WE HAVE THREE MILLION DOLLARS SITTING THERE.
AND WE'RE AT THE SAME MILLAGE RATE WE WERE LAST YEAR; SO HOW CAN WE USE THAT 3 MILLION-DOLLARS TO BENEFIT THE TAXPAYERS OF FERNANDINA BEACH AND IF WE CAN PROVIDE THEM SOME RELIEF WHY AREN'T WE DOING IT AND WHY AREN'T WE ASKING? THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WILL MAKE.
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>> THANK YOU FOR THE SPEECH. >> ALL RIGHT.
ISANYPLACE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT?
>> I THOUGHT WE HAD OUR MIGHT BE COMMENT.
>> WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO -- OKAY.
AND WE GET TO GO ON VACATION. >> IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT NEXT
WEEK. >> ONE CIRCUMSTANCES 27 --
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY QUITE A FEW THINGS BUT YOU GOT THE JOB DONE, I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF THE APPROACHES AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS BUT ME WHAT I ENVISIONED HERE WAS A GROUP OF FIVE PEOPLE WHO GOT TOGETHER AND FIGURED OUT A WAY TO COME TO A SOLUTION EVEN WITH DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, SO I AS ONE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY WARRANT THE MEND YOU FOR DOING IT AND I THINK YOU DID IT OUT PERSONAL PAIN, SO TO SPEAK.
SO JOB WELL DONE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER CLOSING COMMENCEMENTS? THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'LL HAVE IS AGAIN, THANK CITY STAFF FOR BEING HERE, THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING.
THANK YOU FOR BEING INVOLVED AND ADVISING US ON NEEDS TO SORT OF OUR CITIZENS. AND THEN THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
WE'RE HERE TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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AND WITH THAT WE ARE