[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>>> CALL TO ORDER THE AUGUST 3RD, 2022 FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>> HOUSEKEEPING PERSONAL DEVICE S, AIRPLANE, SILENT AND OFF.
THOUGH ARE THE 3:00 OPTIONS. COVID-19 IS HERE.
IT'S NOT GOING AWAY, SO TAKE WHATEVER MEASURES NECESSARY TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF OTHERS.
SO BEFORE THAT IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION.
AS MAYOR I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS VERY STRUCTURED.
THE TIME WE WILL GO TO 8:00 O'CLOCK.
THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 8 O'CLOCK IS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING OUT AND I SEE CITY STAFF AND YOU ALL HAVE WORK TODAY.
SO WE CAN PROBABLY SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS, AND I THINK TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND FAIRNESS, WE'LL ADJOURN AT EIGHT.
PUBLIC COMMENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF PROGRESS WE MAKE, I WILL HOLD ANY PUBLIC COMMENT UNTIL THE END, SO I HAVE AN AUDIENCE HERE. HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SO I HAVE ONE.
SO WE'LL LIMIT IT TO THREE MINUTES SO -- SO AT 7:45, 7:57, WE MAY BRING YOU UP TO THE LECTURN.
[4.1 Proposed FY 2022/2023 Budget]
ALL RIGHT. EVERYONE HAS THEIR BUDGET BOOK.OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE. WHAT WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE HAVE SEVERAL PROPOSALS BEFORE US [INDISCERNIBLE] ATENTTIVE MILLAGE RATE, A 5.3330. SO WE WERE TO GO VOTE RIGHT NOW COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD VOTE FOR THAT? ONE, TWO. WE HAVE A ROLL BACK RATE OF 5.0634 AND IF WE WERE TO VOTE RIGHT NOW ON THE ROLL BACK RATE WHO WOULD VOTE FOR THAT? ONE.
AND I'M GOING TO MAYBE AN ASSUMPTION AS VICE MAYOR THAT THE VICE MAYOR AND I ARE PROBABLY -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M MAKING A WRONG ASSUMPTION, PROBABLY BETWEEN [INDISCERNIBLE]. AND BE AWARE THAT OUR CHOICES AREN'T 5.330 OR 5.0634. WE COULD SETTLE A MILLAGE RATE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO ABOVE, WAY BELOW.
WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO THAT.
SO NOW WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE. SO WE HAVE TWO IN FAVOR OF THE CURRENT BUDGET. WE HAVE ONE IN FAVOR OF THE ROLLBACK RATE. WE HAVE TWO ON THE PANEL WHO WANT TO HEAR OUR OPTIONS AND MIGHT COMPROMISE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. THAT'S WE ARE RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. SO AND THE LIGHT SYSTEM IS IN ORDER. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR LIGHT. I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU HAVE A PROPOSED CUT OR CUTS.
LEE LET'S TAKE 11 BY ONE, SO IN OTHER WORDS WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS DON'T GIVE ME FIVE CUTS, GIVE ME YOUR FIRST AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, GIVE ME YOUR SECOND AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? SO LET'S BEGIN AND COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOUR LIGHT CAME ON FIRST,
SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
SO FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS LOCAL CITY COMMISSIONS HAVE NOT HEEDS THE ADVICE OF STAFF AND MOBILE CITY MANAGERS TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON REPAIRS, RENOVATIONS CAN REPAIRS OF FACILITIES.
SO I WENT AND LOOKED AT LAST NIGHT WE SAID THERE WAS NO PLANS
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AND IT TURNS OUT THERE WAS OVER 30 OR 40 PLANS OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. PLAN OF WHAT TO DO, MASTER PLANS, PLANS ON HOW TO DO ROADS, PLANS ON HOW TO DO WASTEWATER TREATMENT, PLANS ON WHAT TO DO WITH BUILDINGS, SO WE GOT LOTS OF PLANS. WHAT HAPPENED WITH MOST OF THOSE PLANS IS THE CITY COMMISSION AFTER SPENDING 50,000, ONE HUNT THOUSAND DECIDED WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF THE PROFESSIONALS WHO DID THAT. I'VE ALWAYS TALKED WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE CITY STAFF AND THE BULLET THEY HAVE PROPOSED IS TO BEAR THAT THEY THINK IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND THIRD OF ALL, GOT OUT TO MOST OF THE FACILITIES OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO REVIEW THIS FOR MYSELF.SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO BEFORE WE DECIDE CUT, AND WHEN YOU SAY CUT, I DON'T WANT TO CUT -- CUT ISN'T A GOOD WORD.
THE WORD SHOULD BE IF YOU WANTED TO DECREASE THE BUDGET, THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO ELIMINATE PERMANENTLY, PERMANENTLY BECAUSE WHAT CUT REALLY MEANS OFF SEASON WHAT WE DO EVERY YEAR IS PUSH IT TO NEXT YEAR. SO IF YOU WANT TO CUT TAKING CARE OF SEASIDE PARK, MAYBE WE SHOULD CUT SEASIDE PARK.
NOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT IN ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT CUT IS DELAYING FOR THEN TWO YEARS AND MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BEFORE T. SO I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH -- FIRST OF ALL, WHO OUR CONSTITUENCY IS AND WHAT THE CITY TAKES CARE OF AND OUR CONSTITUENCY IS 12 TO 13,000 FULL-TIME RESIDENTS, WE HAVE 600,000 TOURISTS A YEAR THAT COME HERE THAT WE -- AND I'M TALKING TO THE CITY AND SPEND AT LEAST ONE NIGHT, AND THEN WE HAVE 1.6 MILLION PEOPLE THAT COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE EVERY YEAR TO USE OUR FACILITIES.
WHAT WHAT ARE OUR FACILITIES THE CITY AS 69 BUILDINGS, 66 PARKING LOTS, 11 PARKS, THE GREENWAY, TWO SWIMMING POOLS, SEVEN PLAYGROUNDS WITH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, SPORTS FIELDS, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN SPORTS FIELDS WITH 11 BASEBALL, SOFTBALL FIELDS OR TEN WITH A CROSS FIELD, TENNIS COURTS, WE HAVE AN AIRPORT, WE HAVE A MARINA.
WE HAVE A GOLF COURSE. WE HAVE AN HISTORIC LIGHT HOUSE.
WE HAVE A HISTORIC CEMETERY. WE HAVE SIX MILES OF BEACHES AND 50 ACCESSES. WE HAVE ON HISTORIC DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE A WATERFRONT WITH A RIVER WALK AND BOARDWALK AND PARKING LOTS AND WE HAVE TWO WATER PLANTS AND A WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. BUT THAT'S ALL FOR A LITTLE TOWN OF 12,000 FOLKS. SO QUITE A THING.
SO I WENT AND VISITED A LOT OF THOSE THINGS AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHERE I THINK GOING TO BE THROUGH THE BUDGET WHAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS BECAUSE THE BUDGET'S PART OF A PROCESS. SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS AND SIMPLY TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, NOT TO INCREASE IT AND NOT TO DECREASE IT.
SO FIRST LET'S LOOK AT FIRE AND EMS. IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, ANOTHER RESCUE UNIT IS GOING TO COME UP FOR $270,000, ANOTHER GENERAL GIN IS AND COME UP FOR 600 THOUSAND DOLLARS, A LADDER TRUCK WHICH WE COMMITTED TO LAST NIGHT FOR $170,000 PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, AND WE HAVE TWO FIRE STATIONS THAT NEED NEW ROOFS FOR ABOUT $165,000.
ON TOP OF THAT IF WE WANTED TO MEET THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION STANDARDS BY -- AM I PUTTING YOU TO SLEEP, LYNN? FINE.
>> NO, I'M LOOKING TO [INDISCERNIBLE] PREPARING
I'M SORRY. >> DID YOU WANT ME TO REITERATE ABOUT THE CONVERSATION COMING UP?
>> SO WITH THE FIRE IF WE WERE TO MEET THE NATIONAL STANDARDS TO SUPPLY THE FIRE FORCE THAT'S RECOMMENDED WE WOULD HAVE THE HIRE SIX NEW FIRE EMS WORKERS AND THAT WOULD BRING ANOTHER
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$500,000 A YEAR TO OUR BUDGET. THE POLICE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE AND IF WE FILE A VEHICLE ROTATION PLAN, WHICH IS A VERY GOOD PLAN, IT'S BEEN PUT FORTH BY MR. GLEASON, THEY SHOULD BE FINE. BRENTS BUILDING, WE SAID LAST NIGHT THAT EVERYTHING IS FINE. WELL BRETT'S BUILDING IS NOT FEEDBACK. IT'S FOUND TO BE UNSAFE BUT BY THE CITY ENGINEER WITH MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS AND WOVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR AT LEAST EIGHT TO TEN YEARS AND IT'S FABLE COME TO FRUITION. I'VE BEEN UNDER THAT BUILDING AND SO IN THE NEXT YEAR WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO COME ONE A BILLION MILLION DOLLAR TOH THAT BUILDING.ATLANTIC SEAFOOD THAT BUILDING IS IN SUCH POOR CONDITION THAT IT CAN'T EVEN BE INSURED. BEACH WALKOVERS, THAT'S NOT FAINTER. SIX WERE REMOVED IN 2019 AND ONLY ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN RPLACED.
SEASIDE PARK, 300,000. NORTH BEACH 300,000 THOSE HAVE BEEN PROPOSED FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE HAVE 50 BEACH ACCESSES AND ON TOP OF OF THAT, THREE ARE UP FOR REPAIR AND ALSO SUBJECT TO POSSIBLE COMING DOWN.
THE COST TO REPLACE ALL THAT IS PROBABLY ABOUT THREE MILLIONS MILLION DOLLARS. THE CITY HAS 360,000 SQUARE FEET OF WOODEN DECKING, 360,000. THAT'S TWO SUPER WAL-MARTS OF WOOD SEVEN DECKING TO SIX THAT, IT'S TWO TO $4 A YEAR AND SO WE SHOULD BE PUTTING AT LEAST 100, TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR TO FINISH THE WOODEN DECKING.
WE HAVE SEVEN PLAYGROUNDS. WE MOVED ONE BECAUSE IT WAS UNSAFE, THAT'S NOT FINE. AND WE HAVE TWO OTHER PLAYGROUND THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS, MAIN BEACH AND SUNRISE FOR $550,000. CITY HALL, WE GOT AN STEPSIVE REPORT AND BASICALLY CAME UP WITH HEALTH ISSUE, THAT THE PLACE IS TERMITE INFESTED AND THIS THE ADMISSION AS WITH ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONS FOR THE LOUISIANA TEN YEARS CONTINUED TO IGNORE THAT. TO REPAIR THIS BUILDING IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND $3 MILLION TO REPLACE IT SOMEWHERE AROUND $13 MILLION. FLOODING ON FRONT STREET, THAT'S NOT FINE EITHER. THAT STREET CURRENTLY FLOODS WITH KIN TIDES AND NOR'EASTERS, I BACKED DOWN THAT STREET IN KNEE DEEP WATER DURING DURING A NOR'EASTER.
681 PROPERTIES DOWNTOWN WILL BE FLOOD IN A CATEGORY 1 STORM IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING FOR FLOOD PROTECTION.
AND IT'S BEEN OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS.
YET THE COST IS $10 MILLION, AND WE'VE DONE VERY LITTLE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ARPA FUNDS TO ADDRESS HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT. DOWNTOWN LIGHTING IS AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL 20 YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS AGO SOME OF THESE LIGHTS. DOWNTOWN LIGHTING IS PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHICH DRIVES THE ECONOMY OF THIS ISLAND AND THEY'RE NOW UNABLE TO GET PARTS FOR LIGHTS AND THE ELECTRICAL WIRING IS ALL UNDERGROUND AND IT'S IN CONDUITS SO WHEN THE STORM COMES IT FILLS ALL THOSE UP WITH WATER AND THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO SHORT OUT AND WE NO LONGER HAVE LIGHTS.
THE COST TO FIX THAT IS PROBABLY ABOUT $200,000 A YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. DOWNTOWN TREES I TOOK A WALK WITH A GUY WHO'S THE COUNTY EXTENSION AGENT, WAS A REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE SMART GUY AND SAID THE TREES ARE AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE AND YOU NEED TO BE PUTTING TREES IN THERE NOW TO REPLACE THEM SO WE HAVE THAT HISTORIC TREELINED STREET.
THE COST TO DO THAT IS ABOUT THREE TO $500,000 BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO NOT ONLY PUT -- THE TREES ARE THE EASY PART, PUTTING IN THE THE ROOT MAINTENANCE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS, AND PART OF THAT THREE TO $500,000 IS ALSO REPLACING THE DOWNTOWN CURBS AND SIDEWALKS AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 50 YEARS.
THE GOLF COURSE. OUR GOLF COURSE IS A C MINUS TO D PLUS GOLF COURSE AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OFA OVER THAT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING TO IMPROVE, BUT TO IMPROVE THE GOLF COURSE TAKES THE CAPITAL OF [INDISCERNIBLE] WHICH HASN'T BEEN FOR 20 YEARS AND WE'RE TALKING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
THE CLUBHOUSE HAS CARP ITS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
THE PARKING LOT IS 25 YEARS OLD AND NEEDED $150,000 RESURFACING,
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THE HVAC UNIT ARE AT END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE AND IT'S $25,000 A POP OR 50,000 BUCKS AND THE KITCHEN IS 20 YEARS OLD FOR ANOTHER 100,000. THE MARINA, WE DID HIRE A VERY COMPETENT OPERATOR BUT AND THEY'RE ABLE TO PAY THE OPERATING COSTS JUST -- AND THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THAT IS $715,000 FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, BUT WHEN THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO WAY WITH THE MONEY THAT'S BEING GENERATED IS THE DREDGING COSTS.THE DREDGING IS ABOUT 400,000-DOLLAR A YEAR.
WE DID NOT PUT ANY MONEY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO BUDGET FOR THE DREDGING THAT WILL COME IN TWO YEARS FROM NOW.
IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE THE STATE OF FLORIDA DOESN'T HAVE A PROCESS FOR EXEMPTING US, HURRICANE INSURANCE. OUR HURRICANE INSURANCE LAST YEAR WAS $352,000 THIS YEAR IT'S $406,000.
ROADS, ONE OF MY FAVORITES. WE DID A STUDY FOUR YEARS AGO AND WHAT THAT STUDY SAID THEN WAS WE NEED TO SPEND HUNDRED ROADS. THAT IS NOT TO IMPROVE THEM, SIMPLY MAINTAIN THEM. AND THAT WAS BACK THEN THE COST OF ASPHALT THIS YEAR WENT UP 15 PERCENT.
>> I'M SORRY, 15 IN. >> 15 PERCENT? SO THE YEARLY COST TO MAINTAIN OUR RONALD MCDONALDS IS REALLY CLOSER TO 900,000-DOLLAR A YEAR AND OUR WHOLE CITY DEPENDS ON THOSE ROADS. THAT'S AN OPERATING COST THAT NEEDS TO BE SPENT EVERY YEAR. PARKING LOTS, IT'S LIKE A MOBILE FIELD, THERE'S ALL KEEP IN MIND KINDS OF DITCHES.
SIDEWALKS, WE'RE SPENDING 100 TENTHS A YEAR TO REPAIR OUR SEXUAL ABUSE. THE COST OF CONCRETE WENT UP 35 PERCENT IN THE LAST BID SO WE'RE REALLY DOING 35 PERCENT LESS THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS NOT PARTICULARLY ROBUST. THE CEMETERY, 2015 DID A BIG STUDY. THEY IDENTIFIED STORM WATER PROBLEM WITH EROSION AND MULTIPLE GRAVES IN DISREPAIR AND GETTING THE WASHED AWAY AND WE CONTINUE TO DO NOTHING.
WE NEED -- AND THE COST OF ALL THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED.
THE ATLANTIC RECREATION AUDITORIUM, THAT BUILDING HAS A LARGE CRACK IN IT. I HAVE TO USE THE RIGHT WORD.
IT'S SETTLED NINE INCHES TO ONE WAY, TO FIX THAT STRUCTURAL VALUATION OF 33 MILLION REPAIR OF 220 SO THAT'S 250 THOUSANDS, ANOTHER BUT 160,000-DOLLAR IN SUPPRESSION, A TOTAL COST OF $800,000. I WILL POINT OUT THAT'S WHAT IN THE BUSINESS WORLD WE CALL A NONPERFORMING ASSET THAT BRINGS IN $10,500 OREGON OF REVENUE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
THE RECREATION AND ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING, 200,000-DOLLAR NEW ROOF. I'M GETTING TOWARDS THE END.
THE SKATE PARKS, THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURES ARE DETERIORATING, THEY'RE REIMBURSING AND WHAT'S PROPOSED IS $50,000 THIS YEAR AND 50,000-DOLLAR NEXT YEAR TO KEEP THAT AT BASICALLY WHAT IT IS. PELTS PET CENTER WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE PET CENTER AND THE HVAC FLOORING AND ELEVATORSES THAT NEEDLE TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS IS AT $300,000. BALLPARK INTELLIGENCE -- FENCING, THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE BACKSTOPS BUT TO REPLACE ALL THOSE FENCES IS $400,000.
THE MLK TO BRING THAT BUILDING SEVEN UP TO WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE IS 10,020,000 FOR FIRE SUPPRESSION, OR TOTAL COST OF ABOUT 390,000-DOLLAR FOR A ROOF, FIRE SUPPRESSION AND OTHER ISSUES. STORM WATER, STORM WATER.
STUART LANDING, PROBABLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS, THERE ARE SINKHOLES BECAUSE OF THE PIPES CAVING IN.
THAT'S A FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND TO MILLION DOLLAR FIX.
FIRST AFTER FLOODS 400,000, ASH STREET 200 HOW THOUSAND, ALL
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STORM WATER THAT SHOULD BE DONE. AND THE EXISTING LINE, THE EXISTING THE STORM WATER PIPES WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT 150,000-DOLLAR A YEAR AND THAT'S PROBABLY ADEQUATE.AND FINALLY THERE'S THE LIGHT HOUSE, THE LIGHTHOUSE, HISTORIC LIGHTHOUSE HAS A BIG CRACK IN IT.
JUST TO ASSESS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO FIX THAT IS 30 THOUSAND DOLLARS. THE LAST TIME IT WAS FIXED WAS ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO AND THAT WAS $300,000 IT'S ESTIMATED THIS TIME 400,000 PLUS DOLLARS, SO I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE TO THEY MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THIS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW HOW WE INTEND TO ADDRESS THOSE. AS WE SAID WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANS BUT WHAT'S LACKING AND WHAT'S BEEN LACKING IS LIKELY TO
FILL FULFILL THOSE PLANS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS THE LIST YOU JUST READ, CAN YOU GIVE THAT TO THE CITY CLERK SO IT CAN BE
DISTRIBUTED AMONG US? >> SURE.
RIGHT NOW. >> AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.
>> SO YOU HAVE IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING?
>> YES, SIR. >> YOU DON'T WANT IT
>> THAT'S FINE. >>> I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND PRESENT SOME ACCURATE FABS. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WE'RE AT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SET A BULLET AND EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THE CITY IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER.
THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I'M GETTING NEAR THE END OF SEVEN YEARS AND WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT IDENTIFIES EVERYTHING TURNEDDED AND NON-FUNDED AND IN PREVIOUS YEARS THAT PLAN CAME AS A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET AND BY THE TIME THE COMMISSION GOT IT MANY TIMES THERE WERE THINGS ALREADY TAKEN OUT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
SO WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS A PLAN THAT WE CAN GO AND OUT LINE MOST OF THOSE THINGS. I'M NOT SURE THAT IT IS CORRECT AND ACCURATE AT THIS POINT, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE, AND I'M GOING TO CLARIFY SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME ASSUMPTION AND WE HAVE DEFER MANY THINGS, WE HAVE DEFERRED THEM FOR DIFFERENT REASONS WHETHER IT'S THE COMMISSION GOALS RATHER THAN DOING WHAT THE OBLIGATORY THING IS, MAKING IT WORK. SO THERE WAS THIS ASSUMPTION A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE DECIDED WE WOULD REVIEW OUR WHAT WE CALL TIER ONE BUILDING WHICH WAS ATLANTIC CENTER, MLK, AND WE HAD A CONSULTANT FOR 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I'LL GET TO THE CONSULTANT ISSUE A LITTLE LATER. AND THE CONSULTANT CAME BACK NEEDLE LETS TO SAY THAT ALL THOSE BUILDING WERE ADEQUATE, ALL THE BUILDINGS WERE ADEQUATE AND I'M SAYING THAT TWICE, THERE WERE TWO ISSUES AND ONE ISSUE WAS A STRUCTURAL THING AT MLK.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THE RECOMMENDATION IF YOU TAKE THE STRUCTURE OUT WHICH WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO ADDRESS IS THE KEY ISSUE WITH BOTH THOSE BUILDING, IF YOU TALK ABOUT THAT OUT THE CONSULTANT SAID THE FIRST YEAR COST AT ATLANTIC CENTER WERE FIRST -- ONE TO THREE YEARS, $7,800.
THE CITY WROTE A LETTER -- AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE MEETINGS ON THE FIFTH OF THE -- THE TENTH OF MAYOR INDICATING THAT THE COST WAS 945,000-DOLLARS.
$9,945,000 IS A LOT. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
SO WHAT IS IT? WHAT'S GOING ON? NOW, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE, AND I CONCUR WITH THIS, IS WE ARE MOVING PARTICULARLY MLK AND WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AND DO THE $200,000 TO 250 AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE REST. ALSO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE COMMITTING TO MAINTAINING THAT BEING IN THE FUTURE AND IT'S THE SAME WITH MLK, WHICH IS A LITTLE LESS MONEY.
SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE CONDITION THAT WERE DEEMED ADEQUATE. SURE THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE ELECTRICAL AND OTHER PROBLEMS SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GETS TO THE REAL NUMBER, BUT TO ME THIS IS THIS IS A -- WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AS REQUIRED BY THE STATE LAW. WE NEED A TEN YEAR PLAN AND THAT'S COMING I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S ALSO A TEN YEAR.
OUR COMP PLAN IS ALWAYS REQUIRED A 20 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT STARTING TODAY WE CAN MOVE ON
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AND MOST OF THE THINGS THAT CHIP MENTIONED I AGREE WITH.THIS FENCES WE PUSHED BACK FOREVER.
WE'VE PUSHED THEM BACK TO DO OTHER THINGS WE WANTED TO DO.
SO WE NEED TO FOLLOW THOSE THINGS.
SOME OF THE STREETLIGHTS DOWNTOWN, STREETLIGHTS DOWNTOWN WERE NEVER, EVER ON THE CAPITAL PLAN, NOW THEY ARE SO WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. SO TO ME IT'S LOOKING AT THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BASED ON WHAT THE STAFF SAYS AND I THINKA. ON THE SAME PAGE WITH STAFF WITH MLK AND ATLANTIC CENTER WHICH ARE THE CRITICAL ONES AND WE FOLLOW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THAT'S THE WAY WE WISH TO DO STUFF, WE FOLLOW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
THOSE ARE THINGS CHIPPED TALKED ABOUT ABOUT.
I WILL MENTION THE NUMBERS, I REMEMBER IN THE GULF OF TON KIN AND MOST OF YOU PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER THE GULF OF TON KIN, TRUTH BECOMES THE FIRST CASUALTY.
SO WHEN THIS ALL STARTED IT HAVE 26 MILLION DOLLARS, THEN THE EMERGENCY BRAWL -- BARACK BROUGN TO 19 MILLION THEN IT CAME DOWN TO $10 MILLION, SO THESE NUMBERS HAVE TO -- WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND WE HAVE FIVE WORK SHOPS THAT WEB CLARIFY THE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE GOOD NUMBERS AND FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AND IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH THOSE OTHER RIGS, WHETHER IT'S A SUGGESTED ROLL BACK OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THAT CAN BE DONE EASILY BY DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO COME UP WITH [INDISCERNIBLE] FROM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DOLLARS HERE AND WHATEVER NUMBER WE PICK, COME UP WITH A BUDGET. I PERSONALLY AM NOT GOING TO SIT AND SECOND GUESS DEPARTMENT HEADS AND PROFESSIONALS AS TO WHAT SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BE IN THEIR BUDGET, THOUGH I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT IN THEIR MIGHT MIND THAT THERE IS FLEXIBILITY AND SOME ROOM TO MOVE IN THE BUDGET. STORM WATER, 2,015.
STORM WATER I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME WAS SOMETHING LIKE A 15 MILLION-DOLLAR DEFICIT. WE HAD A STORM WATER STUDY, WE CAME BACK, WE IDENTIFIED THE STORM WATER AND IT'S BEEN WORKING CONSTANTLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BIG NUMBERS ARE, I LIKE TO SAY WE CUT THAT AND A HALF.
ESTIMATE SLUR LEGISLATURE MONEY ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS ON STORM WATER. AND WE TRIPLED THE STORM WATER FEE IF I'M CORRECT. I'LL TALK ABOUT WALKOVERS.
WE HAD PROBABLY 48, 50 BEACH ACCESSES.
THIS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS WE HAVE BUILT FIVE NEW WALK OTHERS AND WE HAVE A NEW WALK OVER BEING BILL BUILT.
WE DID THAT WITH STATE LEGISLATURE MONEY MATCHED BY IMPACT FEES BECAUSE THERE WERE NOONING OTHERS.
WE HAVE A COASTAL PARTNERSHIP, SO WE BUILT FIVE WALK OTHERS.
THE CRITICAL PROBLEM HAS BEEN THE DECISION THAT NOBODY HAS BEEN WILLING TO MAKE, WHETHER WE WANT TO BUILD 500-FOOT WALK OTHERS OR WE WANT TO REDUCE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY TO DO ACCESS THROUGH THE SAND, PROTECT THE [INDISCERNIBLE], PROTECT PEOPLE AND PROPERTY. SO WE'VE DONE A RELATIVELY GOOD JOB AND THAT INCLUDES BUILDING -- REPLACING THE WHOLE BOARDWALK AT MAIN BEACH. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A CONDITION, PARTICULARLY WITH THESE BUILDINGS THAT IT WAS MADE OUT TO BE, AND WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, SEASIDE AT $300,000, THERE'S NO WAY SEASIDE CAN BE BROUGHT UP TO STANDARD WITH $300,000. I THINK THAT WAS A NUMBER WE USED FOR REPLACEMENT OF ONE SECTION, SO THOSE ARE NUMBERS I WOULD LIKE TO REFINE AND THEN WE PUT THEM IN THERE AND PICK WHERE WE WANT TO GO. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH OPERATIONS. WE HAVE A HARD WORKING STAFF BUT THERE'S ROOM TO MOVE AND IT'S COMPLICATED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN REORGANIZING FOR SEVEN YEARS.
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AND SO AS WE MOVE AROUND WE KEEP TRYING TO GET EFFICIENCIES -- WE GAVE THE WHOLE STAFF A PAY RAISE AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING COME BACK, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE MORE PICTURE AND MORE EFFECT EVERLY USE PEOPLE. CAN WE CHANGE SHIFT, WITH WE DOUBLE UP. ONE THING WE'VE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT, WE HAVE A FLEET THAT IS PROBABLY THE BEST FLEET IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND WE HAVE CONTINUALLY BOUGHT THAT.I THINK WOE WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS AND SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
FIX WHAT WE NEED TO FIX, AND I HAVE SAID TWICE AT PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT IF IT'S NECESSARY THEN WE SHOULD INCREASE TAXES.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO ME THAT IT'S NECESSARY AT ALL BASED ON THESE NUMBERS AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT THE CONSULTANTS SAID ABOUT OUR BUILDINGS. NOW, WE DO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON CONSULTANTS WHICH HAS ALLS ALWAYS BEEN A THORN IN MY SIDE BUT THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT WORKS, WE HAVE A SUSPECT COMPANY SAMPLE, I THINK WE SHOULD -- EITHER WE NEED TO USE SCULPTS SCULPTS -- CONSULTANTS OR STAFF. BUT THOSE ARE NUMBERS TO LOOK AT. I THINK I GOT MOST OF IT -- WYOMING WAIT A MINUTE. WE HAVE CAN'TLY FUNDED THE GOLF COURSE AND MARINA ENTERPRISE FUND ASKS THAT MONEY IS COMING OUT OF OTHER PLACES SO WE HAVE TO -- WE NEED TO MIGHT MOVE FORD AND I THINK I'VE SAID ENOUGH. THAT'S KIND OF ANY MY POSITION AND IF WE WANT TO SET A NUMBER I'M GOOD WITH SETTING A NUMBER AND I'M GOOD WITH GOING BACK AND SAYING WRITE THE BUDGET TO MEET
THAT NUMBER. >> THANK YOU VICE MAYOR.
ALL RIGHT JUST A POINT OF ORDER AND I'M AS GUILTY OF DOING THIS AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THE WORKSHOP IS YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE YOUR FOUR FELLOWS TO YOUR POSITION, AND THE TEMPTATION IS TO MAKE SPEECHES TO STAFF AND I GET THAT.
SO IF WE CAN FOLLOW PROTOCOL AND ADDRESS US --
>>> BUT MOVING FORWARD THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE WORK SHOP IS FOR THE FIVE OF US TO COME -- THE FIND COMMON GROUND AROUND THE BUDGET.
SO IF YOU CAN MAKE YOUR POINTS TO THE THE FOUR OF US WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF WE'LL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER CALL STAFF UP, WE CAN GET STAFF INPUT BUT LET'S FOLLOW THAT AND LET'S GET TO THE WORK OF THE NUMBERS.
SO COMMISSIONER BEAN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR SIR.
>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO START BY A THOUGHT. THIS IS A STAT THAT I ALMOST COULDN'T BELIEVE BUT IT'S ONE I HOPE YOU'LL GO LOOK UP AND IF YOU'RE NOT AUDIENCE, WHO I'M NOT SPEAKING TO BY THE WAY BUT IF YOU'RE NOT AUDIENCE FEEL FREE TO LOOK THIS UP ON THE YOUR PHONE.
THE POVERTY RATE IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH IS HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL POVERTY RATE. YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE THAT, YOU THINK WE LIVE THIS THIS AFTER LIEUTENANT COMMUNITY WHERE EVERYBODY HAS MONEY BUT IN THE CITY LIMITS RIGHT NOW IF YOU PICKED A PERSON WHO LIVERS HERE THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE, JUST PICK SOMEBODY AT RANDOM IN THE UNITED STATES; AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BE TAKEN LIGHTSLY IS RAISING TAXES AND I THINK THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT RUNS TRUE. WE HAVE GREAT NEWS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE A QUARTER WAY DONE WITH THE WORK SHOP AND I HAVE SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO STREAMLINE THIS BULLET, BUT IT'S NOT ALL DOOM AND GLOOMING GLOOM BUT WHERE THE DOOM AND GLOOM LIES FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THE MOST VULNERABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED THE MOST BY THIS TAX INCREASE AND I WOULD POINT TO THIS OTHER THOUGHT HERE SAT CITY MANAGER LOVES TO JUSTIFY THE TAX INCREASE BY SAYING LOOK, YOU GUY ARE HOMESTEADED YOUR TAXES ARE GOING UP BY $50 BECAUSE WE HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, BUT CONTINUE THINKING HERE ANY THE TAXES ARE GOING UP BY 12 PERCENT
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SO HOW CAN THAT BE ON AVERAGE WHEN'LL PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMESTEAD THE ANSWER IS PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION AS A MUCH HIGHER TAX INCREASE. WHO DOESN'T HAVE A HOME HOMESTEAD EXCEPTION. SO WHAT IS LANDLORDS WHO PASS IT ON TO THE RENTERS. THERE ARE PEOPLE HURTING HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT TO POINT OUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO FORTHE SAKE OF DOING, WE NEED TOO CONSIDER WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE'RE DOING ITS. SO WITH THAT IN MIGHT NOT I DO HAVE SOME ITEMS I CAN LET EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR OPENING COMMENTS BUT I HAVE SOME IDEA OF HOW WE CAN STREAMLINE THIS BUDGET AND IT'S A SEPARATE DISCUSS OF WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO I'LL YIELD MY TIME ANDSOMEBODY CAN GO FIRST. >> HOLD ON A SECOND; ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A SPEECH? I WANT TO REMIND YOU WE HAVE TO START CRUNCHING NUMBERS. WE HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES, TALKING ABOUT FUNDING AND LET'S GET TO THE NITTY-GRITTY. MR. STURGIS MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
>> THANK YOU MAYOR. ACTUALLY THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING TO START. I DON'T HAVE A SPEECH TO MAKE.
I MADE MY DISCUSSION IN CERTAIN MEETINGS, I RUN A BUSINESS, I KNOW THIS IS A GOV ENTITY AND NOT A BUSINESS HOWEVER THE FACT IS WHEN YOU HAVE MAINTENANCE TO BE DONE I HAVE TO AGREE WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE ON THE OTHER END, ONCE WE HAVE A PLAN ONE-CAR GARAGE WE CAN FOLLOW THAT PLAN, HOWEVER THE CASE IS WHEN YOU'RE BEHIND AND YOU DON'T HAVE ALTERNATE REVENUES LIKE PAYING PARKING OR SOME OTHER ALTERNATE REVENUES THAT WILL DECREASE OR CAPITAL EXPENSES BUT WHEN YOU'RE BEHIND YOU FIND A WAY TO MANGE MAKE THAT MONEY UP BUT UNFORTUNATELY I AGREE WITH AND DISAGREE ABOUT BRADLEY'S STATEMENT ABOUT WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE HURTING AND WE HAVE PEOPLE -- I'M GOING TO SPEAKS TO THAT BRIEFLY, WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE HURTING BUT THE RENT HAS ALREADY ACCELERATED. THE RENT HAS ALREADY PASSED THAT POVERTY LEVEL. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO WORK AT A POVERTY LEVEL AND RENT HERE, AND I HAVE FOUR PLACES. SO I KNOW ALL ABOUT THE RENT.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN -- >> HIRE A AND B, A LEVEL PROPERTIES. C AND D LEVEL ARE LOWER RATE PROPERTIES. SO ANY WAYS NOW I WANT TO JUMP INTO THE LINE I MADE AN E-MAIL TODAY EARLIER STATING ONE OF MY CONCERNS AND I HEARD WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS BUDGET SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE NUMBERS AND? PREVIOUS YEARS WE HAVE HAD AN EMERGENCY FUND, IT WAS USED FOR LEGAL FEES AND OTHER FEES. THIS YEAR AND IN PREVIOUS YEARSABLE AND AND WE SPENT UP WITHDRAWERS OF 260,000 IN ONE YEAR AND MORE IN OTHER YEARS. A CONTINGENCY FUND.
>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> LINE ITEM IN THE BOOK FOR --
>> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING IN THIS DISCUSSION.
WE DON'T HAVE A $400,000 CONTINGENCY IN IN BUDGET AND I SEE A PROBLEM THERE BECAUSE WE'VE SETTLEMENT 260,000 LAST YEAR AND IN REEVE YEARS THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND MAYBE AFRAIDED IT WRONG TO PAULINE AND DALE BUT MY ANSWER WAS GOING TO BE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT IN OUR CONTINGENCY FUND AND HOW MUCH HAVE WE HAD -- THERE'S CERTAIN POSITIONS THAT DON'T GO FILLED, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT DON'T HAPPEN AND THAT MONEY GETS ROLLED OVERAND PUT INTO RESERVES TO MY ANSWER TO MY QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH DOES THAT LAST FOUR YEARS HOW MUCH HAVE WE BROUGHT THAT WE DIDN'T SPEND THAT WENT INTO OUR RESERVES. SO THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND
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I'LL END IT THERE AND WE CAN ROLL ON THE CRUMPLING.>> WHAT'S YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION?
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS EACH YEAR ABOUT IN THAT CONTINGENCY FUND, HOW MUCH HAVE WE ACTUALLY SPENT? I HAVE NOT -- [INDISCERNIBLE].
>> THIS WAS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION, BUT HE IS CORRECT, LAST YEAR'S BUDGET HAS $400,000 IN THE CONTINGENCY LINE, I RESPONDED TO AN E-MAIL THAT INDICATED WHAT THAT $400,000 WAS EXPENDED UPON AND HE IS CORRECT, THERE IS NO LINE ITEM FOR CONTINGENCY IN THE PROPOSED BULLET.
>> WHY IS THAT? >> IN ORDER TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT WHEN NEW PROJECTS CAME UP YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS THE PRIORITY ON THAT INSTEAD OF JUST IMMEDIATELY SAYING LET'S GO THIS BUDGET. SO IT'S A BUDGET PRIORITIZATION THING AND IF YOU WANT TO SUDDENLY SAY LET'S GO BUILD A WALKOVER, ALL RIGHT WHAT EXISTING PROJECTS DO YOU WANT TO
REDUCE? >> DO YOU HAVE CARRY OTHER FUNDS
IN THE CURRENT CONTINGENCY FUND? >> I BELIEVE WE'RE AT ABOUT 116,000. WE HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP.
I THINK IT'S PRISM DEPLETED BUT WE ALWAYS DO -- I MEAN THE BUDGET REPORTS THAT EXPENSES ARE AT THIS LEVEL WE'RE THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH THE YEAR WE'RE THIS HIGH ON OUR I SAID EXPENSE AND WE COLLECT ABOUT 110 OF THE REVENUES THAT ARE BUDGETED AND WE SPEND ABOUT 90 TO 95 PERCENT OF THE REVENUE THAT ARE OR THE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE BUDGETED SO THERE IS MONEY THAT'S NOT SPENT THAT ROLLS INTO THE RESERVES AND THEN THOSE ARE USED IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR'S BUDGET AND THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY AS INDICATED IN THE SHEET FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS WE USE RESERVES BECAUSE WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY ONE YEAR BUT THE NEXT YEAR WE USE IT ON PROJECT THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS YOU HAVE A REQUEST OR COMMENT.
>> SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE IS NO EXCESS RESERVE FUND, YOU TAKE THE MONEY THAT'S LEFT OVER AND YOU USE THAT PART OF THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? DID I GET IT RIGHT? CREEK CORRECT AND WE HAVE TO KEEP A MANDATORY 20 PERCENT RESERVE THAT CAN ONLY BE TAPPED INTO IN THE CONDITION OF DECLARE ED EMERGENCIES.
>> DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> YES AND THERE IS NO QUOTE EXCESS MONEY.
>> UP [INDISCERNIBLE] THE CONTINGENCY FUNDS I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE DISCUSSED CERTAINLY THE PROJECT IS COST ESTIMATED PARTICULARLY UP -- CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT THAT ESTIMATE WOULD IN FACT INCLUDE A CONTINGENCY FUND BASED ON THE COMPLEXITY AND THE ESTIMATE
ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT THERE IS TYPICALLY A TEN TO 15 PERCENT CONTINGENCY BUT I BELIEVE WHAT COMMISSIONER STURGIS WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT IS BASICALLY FREE MONEY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD THAT IS NOT ALLOCATED IT'S A CONTINGENCY LINE AND I BELIEVE WE USE AS INDICATED IN THE E-MAIL WE USED CONTINGENCY LINE ITEMS FOR DREDGING THIS YEAR, WE USED IT FOR THE ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT AT BRETTS, WE USED IT TO HIRE THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING OUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE INDICATED IN THE E-MAIL.
BUT THAT'S FOR KIND OF LAST MINUTE PROJECT THAT COME UP THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND WE KEPT THAT OUT THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE CRITICALNESS OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE MOTIVE NEEDED TO BE OPPORTUNITIED AND HAD MORE PRIORITY.
>> MR. ROSS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION AROUND CONTINGENCY?
>> NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT CONTINGENCY --
>> COMMISSIONER STURGIS. >> I HAD A STATEMENT THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN, THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT WE'RE GOING TO -- SOMEONE IS GOING TO GO -- WE'RE GOING TO SIT DOWN IN A MEETING IN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND GO WE NEED A STUDY FOR THIS OR WE NEED THE MONEY EASTBOUND WE WOULD NORMALLY GET IT OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND SO WE'RE MAKING EVERYBODY IN HERE AWARE THAT WE NORMALLY HAVE 400,000-DOLLAR LAID ASIDE AND WE'RE PREPARED WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT HAS TO BE -- OKAY WE'RE GOING TO CALL ABOUT THE RESERVES IF WE NEED 80S OR $100,000 FOR SOME
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SOME SPECIAL ISSUE, EVERYBODY NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GOING TO GO STRAIT TO THE RESERVES.>> IF I COULD WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS -- UNLESS IT'S AN EMERGENCY YOU HAVE TO DECIDE FROM WHAT OTHER PROJECT DO YOU WANT TO CUT, TRANSFER THE MONEY FROM THAT PROJECT --
>> PETER TO PAUL. >> CORRECT, PETER TO PAUL SYNDROME. SO WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO DO.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
>> AROUND CONTINGENCY, IT'S A SLUSH FUND SO I THINK THAT I'M OPPOSED TO PUTTING A CONTINGENCY FUND IN THERE.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> AND I WASN'T AWARE IT WASN'T
IN THERE. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER BEACH, I SIGH A LIST UP. HAVE YOU GUYED RECEIVED MY -- I GOT AN I MAIL TODAY FROM YOU GUYS WITH THE LIST OF IDEAS AND -- THERE YOU GO. I'VE --
>> THE NEXT TIME MAKE IT SO YOU CAN PRINT IT.
>> YOU COULD HAVE DONE LANDSCAPE [INDISCERNIBLE].
BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THAT I WANT TO TALK THROUGH AND ALL OF THESE ARE ON PAGE 18.
THEY WOULD ALL BE ON THE CAPITAL EXPENSE PROGRAM.
THESE LINE ITEMS ARE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM IN THERE I WANT US TO JUSTIFY KEEPING THEM IN THERE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SEASIDE PARK BOARDWALK. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH BUT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH.
LOUISIANA NIGHT WHAT WE HEARD WAS THE, THEV.C. IS TALKING ABOUT THE MOBILIZATION PROJECT AND VICE MAYOR YOU CAN FILL US IN, THERE IS MONEY IN THE TVC AND I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THAT MONEY IN ORDER TO REDO OUR THREE MAJOR BEACH PARKS, SEASIDE PARK, MAIN BEACH AND NORTH.
ALL THOSE ARE -- I THINK RIGHT NOW THE TVC IS WATCHING AND HOPING AND PRAYING THAT I WITH SPEND $300,000 TO GET THAT PROJECT STARTED AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES PAYING FOR THIS. SO WHAT I WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION IS THIS $300,000 I THINK WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SHOT THE TVC PAYING FOR IT AND THE ONE WAY THEY WON'T PAY FOR IT IS WE PAY THE 300,000 THIS YEAR. SO I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, LET'S DELAY THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY THE -- IT'S WAITING FOR THE TVC TO COME AND DO ONE MORE PLAN.
THE HORROR SCENARIO WOULD BE WHAT IF WE SPEND THE 300,000-DOLLAR THEN THE TVC COMES IN AND SPENDS IT ON THEIR PLAN AND UNDOES ALL THE WORK. I QUESTION THIS LINE ITEM AND I
WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT. >> SO BEFORE DISCUSSION, CAN THE CITY ENGINEER OR SOMEONE WITHIN THE CITY TELL US WHAT THE 300,000-DOLLAR IS FOR? SPECIFICALLY.
>> CHARLIE GEORGE, CITY ENGINEER.
WE BID A PORTION OF THE SEASIDE BEACH WALK AT $150,000, THAT'S JUST A PORTION. THE BOARDWALK DECKING AND THE HAMMOND RAILS ARE CONTINUING TO DETERIORATE, THE BOLTS THAT ARE CONNECTING THE SPLIT CAPS THAT HOLD THE DECKING UP ARE DETERIORATING SO WE DID ABAN ESTIMATE OF REPLACING THE DECKING AND THAT'S THE NUMBER WE CAME UP WITH.
AND IT HAS A CONTINGENCY, BECAUSE AS THINGS GO YOU MAY GET THE MONEY BUT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS SKIT AND AND THE PRICES CHANGE WE BID IT OUT A YEAR AGO AND IT CAME OUT WAY OVER AND WE'RE AT LEAST MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT FOR THE WHOLE THING AND IT'S DETERIORATING.
THERE'S SPLINTERS ON THE HANDRAILS AND THE DECKING.
YOU'VE SEEN PHOTOGRAPHS OF DECK BOARDS THAT ARE CRACKING AND THIS IS ONE THAT GET USED A LOT. THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER CAME
SO YES COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> SO AT WHAT POINT -- ONCE AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS WE'RE GOING TO DEFER IT AGAIN AND AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU
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GOING TO SAY WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THAT BOARDWALK?>> RIGHT NOW IT'S THE DECKING AND THE HAND RAILS.
IF WE KEEP KICKING THE THING DOWN THE ROAD THE NEXT THING IS
GOING THE CAP AND PILES. >> SO WHEN YOU SAY KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD CAN IT WAIT SIX MONTHS AGO, CAN IT WAIT A YEAR?
>> I WOULDN'T PUT IT IN THIS BUDGET IF I THOUGHT IT COULD
WAIT AT YEAR. >> AND IF IT ISN'T DONE THIS YEAR THERE'S A DANGER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SHUT IT DOWN.
>> OR IT'S GOING TO COST MORE. >> SIGNIFICANTLY MORE.
>> YES. >> THERE'S ALWAYS A LIABILITY.
YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE PHOTOS ARE HOLE ARE HAPPENING CAN THE MAINTENANCE STAFF WE HAVE TO GO AND RESPOND TO IMMEDIATE ISSUES IS LIMITED JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE OTHER TASKS, SO YOU'RE GETTING OFF THE BEAT THIS BEFORE A DECK BREAKS AND SOMEBODY FALLS THROUGH AND GETS CUT OR BREAKS A LEG, HAND RAIL BREAK OFF.
SO THE LIABILITY INCREASES THE LONGER YOU KICK THIS DOWN THE
ROAD. >> I'M GOING TO ANSWER BRADLEY'S QUESTION, BRADLEY'S COMMENT ANDD ACTUALLY -- WE CAN SAY LAST YEAR WHAT WE DID THAT ESTIMATE WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT REPLACE
ING FROM -- >> IT'S THE ONE THE FIRST MOST
PAVILION -- >> AND ON THIS SIDE WHICH IS
>> SO I'M GOOD WITH -- I BELIEVE WHAT CHARLIE SAYS IS CORRECT, BUT TO ANSWER WHAT BRADLEY SAYS THAT WAS IN LAST NIGHT'S DISCUSSION WHERE I TRIED TO PUSH THE, THEVC, SEW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE PRIORITIZATION WHICH IS SEASIDE PARK, IS THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST PARK THEY DID. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS I WAS TRYING TO PUSH A TIME FRAME, THIS IS JUST A CONSULTANT.
BASEMENT WE FINISH WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THE COUNTY HONORS WHAT THEY SAID, AND WE GET IT BID OUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOWN THE LINE A LITTLE BIT SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A MILLION $500,000 THIS THE TVC BUDGET RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR THAT HASN'T BEEN EXPANDED FOR BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE. SO AND I'VE TALK ABOUT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ENGINEER OF PUSHING AND PUSHING AND ACTUALLY EVEN SUBMITTING THAT TO THE, THE TVC, THE PROBLEM IS WHAT'S THE ULTIMATE PLAN GOING TO BE BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO FIX IT TO BE SAFE. AND I THINK $300,000 MAY BE
ENOUGH. >> OKAY, VICE MAYOR YOUR --
COMMISSIONER ROSS, SEASIDE PARK. >> OF COURSE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> FIRST OF ALL IT'S NOT THE TVC, IT'S THE FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, LET'S BE PERFECTLY CLEAR AND THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.
AND I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE BUT I CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE PAST, AND THE RATE THAT THEY MOVE ALONG AND GET THIS IS DONE MAKES US LOOK LIKE RABBITS. THEY MOVE AT A GLACIER PACE AND FIRST OF ALL YOU GOT TO GET THROUGH THE CONSULTANT.
WHAT THEY PROPOSE THERE, I'M OPPOSE TO EXPANDING THAT SEASIDE BOARDWALK. I MEAN I THINK WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IS JUST REPLACE WHAT'S THERE, BECAUSE AGAIN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO TAKING CARE OF IT IN THE FUTURE AND REMEMBER WE ALREADY HAVE 160,000 SQUARE FEET OF WOOD TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE WITHIN THE NEXT -- THIS FISCAL YEAR THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE THERE TO REPLACE THAT AND YOU JUST HEARD FROM THE CITY ENGINEER THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHUT THAT DOWN OR THERE'S A CHANCE, AND DON'T LIKE TO BE DR. DOOM BUT I DEAL IN A WORLD OF REALITIES AND I ALWAYS LOOK WHAT'S THE WORST SCENARIO, THE WORST SCENARIO IS WE'RE GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT CHANCE AND WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE CITY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DO I'M NOT OPTIMISTIC. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY USE THAT FOR THE BEACH, AM I CORRECT?
>> THAT'S THE BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE AT LOTMENT.
>> THEY CAN'T USE THAT ON THE THE WEST SIDE?
>> NO, IT HAS TO BE FOR BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE.
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THEY CAN PUT IN RESERVES -- >> AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE FOR
>> FOR OVERNIGHT TOURISTS SO I'M NOT SURE HOW OVERNIGHT TOURISM IS ENHANCED BY DOING THAT, SO THERE A LOT OF THINGS: I THINK THE SEASIDE PARK, WE HAVE PUT IT OFF LONG ENOUGH AND I AM PRETTY -- I WOULD CONTINUE TO FUND THAT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
>> THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR DO YOU HAVE T ANOTHER COMMENCEMENT?
>> NO, I AGREE, I THINK BUDGET WISE THOUGH I DO BELIEVE THAT -- I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE AND CHIP IS RIGHT IT'S NOT TVC, IT'S THE COUNTY. WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DOING AN IMMEDIATE REQUEST FOR THAT MONEY.
THAT DOES -- US ASKING NOW FOR TVC INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY AND
[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>>> ACTUALLY WHO YOU -- I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT AGAIN WHENEVER I
GET A CHANCE. >> SO BEFORE YOU SPEAK, COMMISSIONER ROSS, I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER BEAN.
I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WANTED TO COMMENT.
>> NO, COMMISSIONER I JUST THINK WITH HEARD FROM -- WE HAVE PUT OUR TRUST IN VICE MAYOR TO REPRESENT US AND HE'S TELLING US A AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE ACT A FACT, THAT THERE'S $1.5 MILLIONS BUDGETED IN THE TVC S SEASIDE PARK IS THE FIRST, IS THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO OUT OF THIS WHOLE BEACH HARMON SAYINGS AND WE EXTEND THIS $300,000 THAT IS BASICALLY US GIVING MONEY TO THE COUNTY. WE'VE ALREADY SMELT 300,000-DOLLAR ON STEP ONE OF THIS PROJECT OR WORSE WE DO IT NIT WHEREON WAY AND THEY HAVE TO TEAR IT BACK UP IT'S BAD SO LET'S GO THE CDC MONEY, AND THE ONE WAY I GUARANTEE YOU WE WON'T GET THAT MONEY IS IF WE DO IT OURSELVES RIGHT NOW.
SO WE TALK IN THE PAST ABOUT HOW THE CDC DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US AND I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THEY SAY THEY ARE AND I FEEL LIKE THEY WILL SO THEREFORE WE TAKE THAT OUT AND LET THEM COME IN AND SAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
>> SO I HAVE THE PRESS RELEASE FROM THE COUNTY ABOUT THE PARKS AND REC AND IT'S AMAZING HERE BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE FOR ANY SEASIDE PARK. SO THE COUNTY HAS NO INTENTION OF DOING THAT. SO MAYBE THE IDEA IS WE PUT IT IN THE BULLET FOR THE $300,000 AND SIT ON IT AND TAKE THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE AND IF THEY'RE NOT COMING FORWARD WITH THE MONEY WITHIN THE THREE TO SIX MONTHS THEN WE GO FORWARD, IF THEY DO COME ONE THE MONEY WE NOW HAVE A CONTINGENCY FUND SO IS THAT MAY BE AN ALTERNATIVE WAY OF PRODUCING, BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO BE -- HAVING SITTING HERE NEXT YEAR AND TALKING ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
I MEAN, BY THE CONSIDER IN THIS FISCAL YEAR WE NEED TO GET SEA PARK DONE AND THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO TEAR OUT WHAT WE DO.
THEIR PLAN WAS TO ADD MORE TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE THERE EVER WHICH I TALKED ABOUT ABOUT AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION AS TO [INDISCERNIBLE] SO PERHAPS A COMPROMISE IS LEAVE THAT MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND NOT SPEND IT AND SAY OKAY, LET'S GO FORWARD AND SEE IF THEY'LL GIVE US THE MONEY AND HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE. I'VE SPENT FIVE YEARS -- I WAS ON THE TVC, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS NOW AND TO GET THIS VERY STUDY DONE IT TOOK LIKE TWO YEARS JUST TO HIRE THE CONSULTANT. IT WENT ON AND ON AND ON AND GETTING THE -- THEY'RE STILL ARGUING OVER WHETHER TO GIVE THE SIGN GUYS MONEY OR NOT. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS, I MEAN IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON.
SO WE HAVE BUDGETED THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, IT'S TIME
TO FISH OR CUT BAIT. >> I HAVE A COMMENT, I'M GOING TO -- NOT WAITING UNTIL LAST; I'M SORRY.
>> THIS IS A WORKSHOP. >> IT IS A WORK SHOP.
HERE IS THE -- HERE'S THE OTHER OBSTACLE WITH THE TVC, FIRST OF ALL AS THE VOICE MAYOR PAINTED OUT LAST NIGHT ANY PLANS OF OUR THREE PARKS MUST BE APPROVED BY US.
AND AS YOU SAW LAST NIGHT IN THE PRESENTATION, THOSE PLANS AREN'T
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FINALIZED. THEY ADDED YET AT DESIGN TO MAIN BEACH. THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION I SAW THERE WAS A AND B, NOW WE HAVE A, B, C AND SHE SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE D. SO A, THERE'S THE TIME ELEMENT OF THE DESIGN. THAT'S A.B, WE HAVE TO APPROVE ITFUL WE HAVEN'T EVEN APPROVED BEACH HARMON SAYINGS AND I'M HEARING TWO SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT ON THAT. ON APPROVAL.
THAT THE DESIGN IS TOURIST BASED AND NOT LOCAL BASED.
THAT'S THE ARGUMENT AGAINST. THE ARGUMENT FOR IS CONTINUITY OF DESIGN. THOSE ARE THE TWO ARGUMENTS THAT -- DESIGN OF THE PARKS. ALL OF THE PARKS.
SO THERE'S ALL OF THIS PROCESS, GOVERNMENT TALL PROCESS THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE. NOW, WHAT I HEARD THERE THE CITY ENGINEER, THIS IS URGENT AND IT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT THINGS ARE URGENT AND IMPORTANT, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THEM. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF --
>> WRITE IT DOWN. >> SO I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE 300,000 IN THE BUDGET AS COMMISSIONER ROSS POINTS OUT, IF WE DON'T NEED IT, IF THE TVC MAGICALLY ACCELERATES THIS PROCESS TERRIFIC, BUT THOSE ARE THE OBSTACLES.
SO I HAVE VOICE MARE AND COMMISSIONER STURGIS DID YOU
HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? >> I CAN READ THE WRITING ON THE
WALL. >> SO LET'S JUST TAKE AN INFORMAL VOTE. WHO WANTS THIS IN THE BUDGET?
>> I HAVE TO -- OKAY. WE KEEP IT IN THE BUDGET AND IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID LAST NIGHT, NORTH BEACH AND SEASIDE BASICALLY THE DESIGN IS PRETTY CONSISTENT.
SO SUPPOSING WE SAID THE TVC AND THE COUNTY THAT WE DESIRE THE FINAL DESIGN FOR SEASIDE PARK TO BE THE EXISTING BOARDWALK SO ALL WE NEED TO DO IS BRING IT UP TO STANDARD AND MAKE THE ADA ACCESS APPROPRIATE. SAY WE WANT TO DO THAT AND WE WANT THE TO MOVE NOW SO THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR ORGANIZATION -- THIS IS A COMMUNITY TRUST BEACH, THEY CAN'T DO A LOT IN THERE. THEY CAN'T SCREW WITH THE ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S EDUCATIONAL SO WE CAN ACCELERATE THAT AND WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET AND PUSH ON THAT IS IT SEE IF THAT WORKS.
>> CAN I CLARIFY YOUR IDEA? SO YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THEN TO
FUND NORTH BEACH PARTNERING. >> JUST SEE SIDE.
>> WHERE'S NORTH BEACH PARK? >> WE HAD NORTH BEACH PARK IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT GOT PUSHED TO NEXT YEAR AND THEY SAID OVER AND OVER AND AS THEY SAID THE BOARDWALK PRETTY MUCH STAYS THE SAME AND OUR FINAL DECISION AS A COMMISSION THAT THE BOARDWALK PORTION STAYS THE SAME AND BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO WORDS YOU USE WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVED FORWARD NOW; UTILIZING THE BEACH, TEN PERCENT, THE $1.5 MILLION IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. AND THEY COULD SAY NO.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PUSH IT. >> COMMISSIONER STURGIS.
>> BRIEFLY HE SAID WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY EXCEPT ADJUSTING THE HANDICAP RAMP AND THEY WILL ONLY ADD ONE OR TWO MORE PAVILION TYPE THINGS AT SEASIDE. OTHER THAN THAT IT'S NOT REALLY CHANGING THE PLAN THEY HAD AND IT'S NOT REALLY CHANGING SO THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS IT'S GOING TO STAY MOSTLY THE SAME, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REBUILT AND REPAIRED AND IT WILL KEEP AS MUCH PARKING AS POSSIBLE.
>> THE MONEY IS NOW AND IT'S URGENT NOW, PUT THE ONUS -- 300,000 IN SO WE CAN FIX IT AND ITSELF BRINGS IT UP TO 300 THOUSAND DOLLARS. JUST A QUICK NOTE FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA TO WITH THE STAFF WILL PREPARE A RESOLUTION OFFERING OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A BEACH HARMON SAYINGS PLAN AND THEISTS NEXT
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REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ON AUGUST 16.WHEN THAT AGENDA GETS PUBLISHED I RECOMMEND YOU WORD SMITH THAT RESOLUTION THAT WE WILL APPROVE THE BEACH AUTHORIZATION BUT THERE WILL BE A RESOLUTION ON THE AUGUST 16 AGENDA, SO YOU CAN AMEND THAT WHEN THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CDC ARE
>> THE RESOLUTION WILL BE ON THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE ARE IN AGREEMENT IT STAYS IN THE BULLET, WE'RE GOING TO ASK TVC FOR THE MONEY TO DO THE REPAIR THAT ARE NEEDED AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
SO COMMISSIONER YOUR LIGHT IS STILL ON, SO DO YOU WANT TO TUBE
THE LIBRARY. >> CAN I JUMP DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. A SIMILAR ARGUMENT.
ONE THING, THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT PLANS IN THE WORKS ACCORDING TO BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE MAIN BEACH PARK BUT ALL OF THEM HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON AND THAT IS A NEW FANCY DAN CITY CONCRETE SCALE PARK, SO THIS WILL BE A VERY OFFICIAL LOOKING -- AND I LIKE IT.
I LIKE THE PLANS THAT INVOLVE A BRAND NEW SKATE BARK, SO OUR QUESTION SHOULD WE SPEND $50,000 THIS YEAR TO DOO SKATE PARK REPAIRS WHEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THAT EQUIPMENT AS SOON AS WE GET HOPEFULLY A TDC FUNDED SKATE PARK, THAT WILL NOT INVOLVE METAL RAMPS AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK FORWARD TO THAT AND THE QUESTION IS SHOULD WE HAVE THIS 50,000-DOLLAR IN THE
BUDGET. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, SKATE
PARK. >> FIRST OF ALL CAN I ASK THE QUESTION OF CITY ENGINEER OR MR. MICHAELSON?
>> SURE. >> BEGIN, HOW CRITICAL IS IT FIXING THOSE -- WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS FIXING THE METAL UNDERCARRIAGES OF THOSE CURRENT SKATE PARK T.
HOW LONG ARE THEY GOING TO LAST? >> SCOTT MICHAELSON, INTERIM PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LAST THAT LOOK. BASICALLY THIS WOULD FIX TWO OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES, THEY ARE THE MOST EASTERN ONES.
OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SALT AIR, THESE STRUCTURES ARE VERY ARE YOUD SO IF WE WERE TO -- I APOLOGIZE, BUT IF WE WERE TO WAIT FOR A NEW CONCRETE PARK, WHICH OUR NEW SKATE PARK, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT, I WOULD ALMOST HAVE TO REM THAT THAT STRUCTURE
BE TORN DOWN. >> SO IF WE DON'T FIX IT WITHIN
AN -- >> WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME?
I WOULD TO SAY THAT AT LEAST TWO OF THEM ARE URGENT AND IMPORTANT. AND THE PLAN WOULD BE TO THEN GO THROUGH THE OTHER EXISTING THE STRUCTURES AND IN A ONE OR TWO YEAR PERIOD AND HAVE THEM FIXEDD WITH ALUMINUM STRUCTURE NEIL AND THE ONLY REPAIR COST THAT WE WOULD HAVE IS THE WOODEN BOARDS
WHICH ARE RELATIVELY CHEAP. >> THANK YOU.
TO MUTT IN A CONCRETE SKATE PARK, GREAT IDEA.
YOU'RE TALKING TO A MILLION DOLLARS EASILY.
AGAIN HOW IS THE TDC GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT'S FOR TOURISTS TO COME HERE? I MEAN, A SKATE PARK, IT'S FANTASTIC, BUT I DON'T KNOW IT SHOULD BE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT WHERE IT IS. BUT AGAIN, AND MAINTENANCE WISE IT'S A WIN-WIN. BUT THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE WILLING TO SPEND 800 TO A MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IN A CONCRETE SKATE PARK. AND I'M VERY -- AND IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS SKATE PARK, I THINK THE $50,000
SHOULD BE SPENT. >> VICE MAYOR?
>> BEACH HEAD OUT THE DOOR MAN SAYINGS IS A TEN TO 20 YEAR PLAN AND THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE NEXT COUPLE TWO TO THREE YEARS, 3,000,001.5 THIS YEAR AND I THINK BRADLEY MAKES A GOOD CASE BUT BY THE TIME WE GET TO BEACH
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HARMON SAYINGS IT WILL BE DOWN THE LINE AND BY THAT TIME WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.AGAIN, WE CAN SAY WHATEVER WE WANT, WE CAN CHANGE THE HARMON SAYINGS WHATEVER WAY WE LIKE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROCEED BASED ON THE HAZARD AND THE CONCERN OF SHUTTING IT DOWN, WHICHON WE WANT TO DO. BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS
BUT OLD PEOPLE, A LOT OF US T. >>> SCOTT IF I COULD ASK YOU TOQUES. DO YOU KNOW APPOINTMENT HOW OLD IS THIS EQUIPMENT SO RUSTED WE NEED TO REPLACE IT? HOW MANY YEARS IS IT? BEING OUT IN THE HARSH SEA AIR?
>> IT WAS MAYBE 2005, SIX, THAT. PUT THERE AND THE PLAN WOULD BE TO TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING RAMPS THAT ARE POWDER COATED BUT IT'S THE ACTUALLY STRUCTURE WHERE WHY STAND BEFORE YOU GO DOWN, SO YES IT'S BEEN WHILE. I FEEL IF YOU DO ALUMINUM
IT'S. >> POWDER COATED IS STEEL, RIGHT? IT LASTS ABOUT 18 YEARS BUT LUMP SUM ALUMINUM DOESN'T REIMBURSE BUT IT'S THREE TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO REPLACING THE RAMPS AND YES IT WILL LAST LONGER THAN 18 YEARS BUT MY QUESTION IS NOW ESPECIALLY WITH THE TDC COMING IN BUT IF WE PUT STEEL BACK IN, BASE ON WHAT JUST HAPPENED WE SHOULD HAVE 18 MORE YEARS AND MAYBE IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE 20 TO REPLACE IT WITH STEEL.
WHAT DO YOU THINK CHARLIE? >> LET ME INTERJECT SOMETHING, YES THE ALUMINUM WON'T RUST BUT ALUMINUM WON'T CARRY THE SAME LOCALED AS POWDER COATED STEEL BUT WE CAN PLAY THE GAME OF TRYING TO CUT THAT COST BUT THEN YOU'RE? PROFESSOR: ING THE SKATE PARK USE MULTIPLE TIMES VERSUS ONE TIME. AND I THINK THAT'S A FACTOR.
>> BE IF I'M NOT CORRECT, IT WON'T BE UNTIL 18 YEARS FROM
NOW. >> IT'S JUST LIKE -- THERE'S NOTHING THAT DOESN'T ENDAMAGES AT SOME POINT BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN BUILT EXCEPT FOR THINGS THAT WERE BUILT BY THE ROMANS THAT LAST LONG ENOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE ON.
>> MY POINT IS I DON'T THINK WE NEED 50,000-DOLLAR FOR THE SKATE PARK, LET'S CAME IT IN ITS CURRENT STATE AND LET'S LOWER THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE IT WITH STEEL.
>> WHAT WOULD THE ESTIMATE BE FOR STEEL? IF THAT'S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> THAT'S A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE LIKE CONCRETE AND ASPHALT THAT NUMBER OF CHANGES DAILY SO IT WOULD BE HARD FOR ME TO SAY WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE FRAME AND EVER LOOKING AT IT.
WE CAN STAGE IT WHERE WE DO A FEW THIS YEAR, TWO THIS YEAR, TWO NEXT YEAR BUT THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM FROM THAT STANDPOINT, AND TO ME THIS NUMBER IN REGARD TO THE ENTIRE BUDGET ISN'T -- KNOCK 10,000 OFF DOESN'T CHAIN A WHOLE LOT.
>> COMMISSIONER STURGIS. >> YEAH, HE JUST ARRANGE -- ANXIOUSED THE QUESTION, BUT THIS IS JUST A REPAIR.
I WOULD ASSUME WHEN THEY DO THIS REPAIR OF $40,000 THIS EQUIPMENT MIGHT ONLY LAST ANOTHER FIVE OR EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE TWO THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO RUST.
FOR INSTANCE, I DIDN'T MENTION IT YESTERDAY BUT PUTTING A SKATE PARK CLOSER TO THE OCEAN, WHO CARES ABOUT THE DUNES -- I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE DUNES BUT THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE OCEAN WE HAVE THAT HIGHEST SALT CONCENTRATE IN THE UNITED STATES FROM ST. AUGUSTINE TO GEORGIA.
SO IF ANYTHING CONCRETE IS BEAUTIFUL AND WE'D LOVE TO HAVE IT BUT THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO CONTINUE TO HAVE A SKATE PARTNER
PARK FOR NOW. >> SO WE'RE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING
THIS IN? >> I'M JUST ANSWERING THE
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QUESTIONS. SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE WANT TOLOOK TOO INTO. >> NO I WANT TO START THIS CONVERSATION OFF BY SAYING A SIMPLE FACT, I LOVE THE LIBRARY AND I HOPE IT MAINTAINS IS THE PRESENCE.
HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK HILLIARD PAYS FOR THEIR LIBRARY AND COMMISSIONER ROSS ANSWERED CORRECTLY, ZERO HILLIARD BECAUSE NOT PAY FOR FOR A LIBRARY. THE PEOPLE OF HILLIARD GET TO ENJOY A LIBRARY AND YOU KNOW WHAT I HOPE THEY CONTINUE TO DO SO. IN CALLAHAN THEY OWN THEIR BUILDING, YES THEY PAY ZERO BECAUSE WHAT NASSAU COUNTY DOES IS THEY PAY RENT TO THE CITY OF HILLIARD AND WITH THAT PRESENT THAT COVERS ALL THE COST OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN LOATHE TAKE A LOOK AT THE CITY OF -- THEY DON'T HAVE A CITY AND YET THEY STILLAGE A LIBRARYS. BRIE STONE ALSO GET A LIBRARY AND THEY HAVE BEEN A MUNICIPALITY.
OVER THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT IS PAYING FOR A LIBRARY AND IT SAYS FERNANDINA BEACH BUT BOTH OF THAT IT CESSNA SAW COUNTY LIE AREA SO I'M GOING TO ASK WHY ARE WE PAYING $200,000 FOR HVAC, AND I SEE COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS HIS HAND RAISES AND I'M GOING TO SAY THIS IS A BAD DEAL FOR THE CITY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE DOING, IT'S TIME TO TALK TO THE COUNTY -- I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT EVERY OTHER CITY IS GETTING AND I SAY WE STRIVE TO BE VIETNAM HERE IN OFFENSIVELY AND LET'S NOT PAY FOR OUR LIBRARY JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSERS SO FOR THAT REASON -- AND AGAIN LIKE I SAID ABOUT THE 300,000 IT'S THE ONE WAY I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE WON'T GET THIS MONEY IS IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE 200,000-DOLLARS ON THIS HVAC SYSTEM, SO LET'S PUT THAT MONEY IN THE BUDGET, I CAN GUARANTEE THAT AFTER WE SPENT I THAT THE LIBRARY WILL SAY RESHOULD REIMBURSE THE CITY WHO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR, SO SIMPLY WILL NOT HAPPEN.
>>> HOW BAD IS THE HVAC? >> AGAIN, IS IT IMPORTANT OR IS
IT URGENT AND IMPORTANT? >> WE'RE IN FLORIDA SO I'M SORRY, JEREMIA, PUBLIC WORKS, OPERATIONS DIRECTOR YEAH THERE ARE FIVE SYSTEMS THERE AND THAT IS A STEP FOR THE REPLACEABLE.
WHEN YOU RUN ONE UNTIL FAILURE ESPECIALLY HERE WHERE WE'RE AT YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY, IT BECOMES URGENT.
THE OPERATING BUDGET IS ABOUT 55,000 A YEAR AND THAT'S WHAT THE CITY CREDIBILITIES TO MAINTAINING THAT BUILDING, THE COUNTY STAFFS IT AND THERE'S 200,000 NOT JUST FOR THE HVAC SYSTEM IT'S MOSTLY A ROOF PROJECT WITH SOME OF THAT BEING SETTLE ASIDE FOR HVAC GYRE HOW MUCH IS THE HVAC?
ON PART OF THE 200? >> STANDBY PROBABLY AROUND 25,000. IT'S A ROOFTOP UNIT.
>> SO HERE'S THE DEAL, I CAME ACROSS THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, NINE MONTHS AND I SAID THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
WHY -- AND I AGREE WITH YOU. WHY DO THEY ALL GET THIS AND I PULLED THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND BASICALLY TO GET A LIBRARY IN FERNANDINA BEACH; A DEAL WAS CUT AND THE DEAL WAS THAT OKAY, YOU PAY FOR THE BUILDING, YOU BUILD THE BUILDING, YOU RAISE THE MONEY FOR THE BILLION AND WE'LL STAFF IT AND GOING FORWARD IN PERPETUITY, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE BUILDING AND WE'LL PAY FOR THE STAFF. THAT WAS THE DEAL THAT WAS CUT AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A LIBRARY HERE.
HOW THEY CUT THE OTHER DEALS I HAVE NO IDEA.
SO WE MADE AN AGREEMENT AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WE TRY TO UNDO THAT AGREEMENT. I THINK -- I'VE PRETTY SURE THEY TALKED TO THE COUNTY MANAGER ABOUT THIS AND BASICALLY HE WAS NOT TOO UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THEY WILL TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT BUILDING. HE SAID YOU BUILT IT IT'S YOUR BUILDING, AND WHEN I OPENED A NEGOTIATION WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS I SUPPOSE WE COULD DO THAT BUT I DON'T THINK
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THEY'RE GOING TO BE RECEPTIVE. IT'S HEAVILY USED BY OUR COMMUNITY, WITHIN THING THAT WILL KILL A BUILDING CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IS A LEAKY ROOF. THAT IS ONE THING WHEN YOU BUY AN OLD BUILDING YOU IF I CAN THE ROOF BECAUSE IF THE ROOF GOES THE BUILDING GOES, SO IT'S OUR BUILDING.AGAIN WE ACQUIRED ALL THIS STUFF SO THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ACQUIRED THIS THAT LONG LIST. I DIDN'T NEGOTIATE THAT DEAL, IT WAS DONE LONG BEFORE THE CURRENT CITY MANAGER.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS -- WHEN THAT WAS BUILT.
PROBABLY ABOUT 15, 20 YEARS AGO, DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT THAT WAS THE DEAL THAT WAS CUT SO I THINK WE'RE KIND OF -- I WANT THE AGREE WITH YOU IN PHILOSOPHY BUT IN PRACTICALITY I THINK WE'RE STUCK WITH IT AND
>> YES, COMMENTS ON THIS. WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE I'M A COUNTY TAXPAYER AS WOE ALL ARE AND I PAY COUNTY TAXES TO FUND A LIBRARY EVERYWHERE EXCEPT FOR WHERE I LIVE AND THEN BECAUSE I DON'T -- I HAVE TO PAY A SECOND SET OF TAXES TO THE CITY SO I CAN FUND A LIBRARY WHERE I LIVE. THE COUNTY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT BUT I BELIEVE IT'S TIME FOR US TO ASK FOR A NEW DEAL.
THIS DEAL IS NOT APPROPRIATE. SO I WANT TO ASK THE COUNTY FOR A NEW DEAL. THE WAY WE CAN GO THAT NEW DEAL IS NOT BY SPENDING $200,000 ON THE LIBRARY, IT'S NOT BY DOING THIS AND ASKING FOR A DEAL. NO, THE WAY IS TO NOT DO THIS.
I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO GET THE HVAC DONE BUT THE ROOF PROJECT CAN WAIT. LET'S WORK ITTH IT OUT IT OUT WITH THE COUNTY BUT WE HAVE NOT REALLY ASKED YET IN A NICE WAY SO I WANT TO GO IN THERE AND ASK NICELY AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY.
>> JEREMIA CAN YOU TELL US THE LIFE EXPECT CITY OF THE ROOF?
>> YOU HAVE TWO STRUCTURES THERE.
THE FIRST WAS BUILT IN 1997, THE ADDITION TO THE LIBRARY WAS PUNISHMENT IN 2016, THE JOINING OF THOSE TWO THE ROOFS WAS NOT DONE PROPERLY AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE ROOF PROBLEMS SO IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY RESURFACE OF THE NEW ADDITION PART OF THE ROOF SO UNFORTUNATELY IT'S ONLY ABOUT SEVEN YEARS OLD.
>> SO IS IT WHERE THE TWO ROOFS JOIN?
>> NO IT'S THE NEWER PUNTA GORDA OF PORTION OF THE LIBRARY BUT THE REST RATION OF THE NEWER ROOF IS WHAT'S NECESSARY TO
FINISH THE PROJECT. >> SO WHAM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU
WAIT A YEAR? >> THE LEAKS THAT WE HAVE NOW
CONTINUE. >> SO IT'S ALREADY LEAK AND THE MORE IT LEAKS THE MORE IT'S GOING TO COST US TO FICTION THE REST OF THE BUILDING? IS THAT CORRECT?
THAT'S BEEN MISPARSES. >> THANK YOU, SIR, SEW I'M TRYING TO -- SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO REDUCE THIS OR TAKE IT OUT OF THE BUDGET?
>> IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT ALONG -- [INDISCERNIBLE] I FOR YEARS HAVE BEEN CRITICIZED FOR TRYING TO GET ALONG WITH THE COUNTY AND I KEPT TRYING AND I TELL YOU THEY'RE REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET ALONG WITH. WE MIGHT HAVE EXCELLENT RELATIONSHIPS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER BUT THEY HAVE NOT SUPPORTED ANYTHING WE DO INJURIES SO DO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT? COMMISSIONER STURGIS.
>> AS WE KEEP IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO ASK THE COUNTY ABOUT AND WE ARE LOSING ALL OF OUR LEVERAGE BY DOING THIS. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ALL THE LEVERAGE WE HAVE TO.FOR A NEW DEAL AND WE CAN SPEND IT BUT WE LOSE THE LEVERAGE. SO I'LL STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS.
>> SO WE'RE OFF THE RAILS HERE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, ASKING THE
COUNTY FOR MONEY. >> I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE DO PAY FOR IT NOW BUT GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY WE WANT YOU TO TAKE IT FROM US. SO THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE
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ARE WE GOOD ON THE LIBRARY. >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER BEAN
YOU'RE STILL ON THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.
SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH THREE OUTSTANDING ITEMS. I THINK WE HAVE NOT REALLY MOVED MUCH BUT WE'LL KEEP ON GOING, SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR OUR CONSIDERATION STREETS. LET'S TALK ABOUT STREETS.
EARLIER IN THE MEETING COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID A LINE BECAUSE MISSER ROZ WROTE DOWN WORDS PEOPLE SAID EARLIER SO THE WORDS I WANT TO SAY AGAIN IS IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO CALL IT CUTS AND I WOULD COMPLETELY AGREE THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO CALL IT A CUT BECAUSE WE BASE OUR BUDGET AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE THE NEXT YEAR SO WE HAVE BUILT IN A TAX INCREASE SO ME JUST SAYING THE WORDS LET'S JUST SPEND WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR ON ROADS BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE SPEND THE SAME AMOUNT WE SPENT LAST YEAR. SO THIS SAYS OUR ROADS ARE VERY GOOD. WE WERE SPENDING $400,000 A YEAR EVERY YEAR RIGHT SEVEN UNTIL LAST YEAR WHEN THIS COMMISSION DECIDED TO INCREASE THE ROADS BULLET BY OVER 50 PERCENT TO 650,000. WE SPENT OVER 50 PERCENT MORE.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND THE CITY IS THAT WE'RE USING TO JUSTIFY THIS SAYS OUR ROADSES ARE VERY GOOD AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING THAT WE HAVEN'T I LOVE OUR ROADSES.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY CONTINUE TO BE GOOD BUT OUR CURRENT RATE IS TAKEN. THIS NEW BUTTS BULLET PROPOSES WE INCREASE THE BULLET FROM 650,000 TO 800,000 SO I WANT TO QUESTION THAT, I WANT TO SAY SHOULD WE BE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON ROADS. OUR ROADSES ARE VERY GOOD.
THE TIER ABOVE IS EXCELLENT BUT I WANT TO ASK AND SAY THAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE PRIORITIZING THINGS.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE ITEM AND FOR ME EXCELLENT ROADS ISN'T SOMETHING WE NECESSARILY NEED AND FINALLY I WANT TO POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING.
ARPA FUNDS. IT SAYS OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IS GOING TO THE ROADS BUDGET. OVER A MILLIO DOLLARS GOING TO THE ROADS SO JUST FOR US KEEPING TRACK AT HOME $650,000 WAS SPELT LAST YEAR AND OUR ROADS IS VERY GOOD, THIS YEAR WE'RE INCREASING THAT TO $800,000 WE'RE TAKING ARPA FUNDS AND ALSO SPENDING IT ON THE ROADS AND OUR ROADS ARE ALREADY VERY GOOD AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IF WE SPEND $1.8 MILLION ON THE STREETS SO I WANT TO ASK THAT QUESTION, CAN WE COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY SPECIALING A MILLION DOLLARS FROM ARPA AND I DON'T THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE TO DO THAT. SO I REALLY HAVE TO BRING THAT UP AND PROTEST AND SAY WE KEEP INCREASING THE STREETS BUDGET AT
A RATE THAT IS UNSUSTAINABLE. >> SO ON THE LIST THAT YOU PROVIDED US DURING PREVIOUS MEETINGS WHERE YOU OUTLINED THE ARPA FUNDS, CROSS EXPENDITURE FURROWEDS ON HERE.
>> IT'S THE NORTH AND SOUTH FRONT STREET.
>> THAT IS MERELY ROADS. >> CORRECT, CROSSING THE IMPROVEMENTS NECESSARY ON FOR A MOMENT STREET TO TIE IN WITH
[INDISCERNIBLE] STREET. >> ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONER ROSS. SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
I USED TO LIVE NEXT TO A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, AND EVERY YEAR THEY WOULD COME IN AND THEY DID A SHUTDOWN AND THEY WOULD DO PREVENTIVE MAY MAINTENANCE AND E MAINTENANCE WAS TO KEEP THAT PLANT GOING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT WE HAVE TWO PLANTS ON THIS ISLAND WHERE THEY DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING AND I DOUBT THEY CUT THE BUDGET ON THOSE SAYING WELL THE MACHINES
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ARE GOOD NOW BUT WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM DETERIORATES TO A LESSER LEVEL SO WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY NOW AND A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU IGNORED IN THAT STUDY. NUMBER OF ONE YOU'RE OR ANYBODY ELSE HERE IS A ROW ENGINEER AND WHAT IT BASICALLY SAID IF YOU USE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THAT WAS 700 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLAR THREE YEARS AGO, AND REMEMBER ASPHALT HAS GONE UP 15 PERCENT IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.YOU WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME LEVEL, SAME LEVEL.
AND IT'S BASICALLY SOME OF THE ROADS ARE GOOD BUT THE WHOLE PREMISE IS THAT YOU TAKE THE GOOD ROADSES NOW AND YOU SUSPEND MORE MONEY NOW SO THEY DON'T GET TO BE BAD ROADS BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE THAT SLOPE AND IT BECOME ALATIONSER ROAD YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO GET IT BACK.
SO PATCHY FREEZING PROFESSIONALR A LIVING SAY WE NEED $700,000 TO MAINTAIN THE ROADS SO I SEE THINK THE ROADS ARE CRITICAL TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT GOOD ROADS, BAD ROADS, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A STUDY OF PEOPLE WE PAID 50,000 BUCKS TO THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING.
WE SHOULD BE SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO CONTINUE TO KEEP THE ROADS AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT THEY ARE.
AND OH BY THE WAY WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY ON OUR PARTS AND WE SHOULD -- WE NEED MORE WE NEEDS TO FIX OUR PARKING LOTS TOO. SO I THINK IT'S PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH TO CUT A MAJOR EXPENSE LIKE ROADS, ROADSES EVERY YEAR YOU NEED TO SPEND D AMOUNT OF MONEY TO KEEP THEM IN THE SHAPE SHOWERY WEATHER AND I THINK IT'S FOOLISH TO SAY WE CAN
DO OTHERWISE. >> COMMISSIONER STURGIS.
>> I FORGOT, IT'S BEEN A WHILE BUT --
>> I'M SORRY. >> IT'S ALL RIGHT.
I'LL BRING IT IN QUICK. YEAH I THINK ROADSES ARE IMPORTANT AND I WOULD LISTEN TO CUTTING SOME OFF THE ROAD BUDGET, HOWEVER I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT ROADS WERE SLATE FOR THIS AM OF MONEY FOR 800,000 BECAUSE YES, 15 PERCENT INCREASE IN ASPHALT IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, SO IF WE DID 650 LAST YEAR AND WE'RE GOING TO BE UP IN COST IT'S BASICALLY EQUIVALENT GIVE OR TAKE TO THE COST OF THE LABOR GOING UP.
SO IF WE HAVE THOSE ROADS ALLOTTED THAT THE ARPA MONEY IS DEDICATED FOR DOWNTOWN AND A SPECIAL PROJECT, SO MY WORDS ARE THAT THAT'S A SPECIAL PROJECT. EVERYBODY WANTS TO TAKE THAT FREE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND LET'S CUT ONE OF OUR ITEMS OFF OUR BUDGET AND USE THAT MONEY, WELL THAT MONEY WE ALREADY HAD PROJECTS STARTED. HALF OF THEM ARE ALREADY SPENT SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN TAKE THAT MONEY AND REPLACE IT.
DALE? >> MR. MAYOR ON THE SHEET YOU HAVE WIST IT ACTUALLY LISTED THE STREETS THAT ARE PROPOSESSED AND THE CITY DID START A ROAD ASSESSMENT THAT WILL BE ADDED TO
THAT. >> CITY MANAGER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ARPA FUNDS AND IT SAYS ROADS, IS 100 OF THIS YEAR FRONT
STREET PROJECT? >> YES, $747,000.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER QUARTER MILLION?
>> THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPENT ON THE RESILIENCY.
ORIGINALLY ARPA FUNDS LISTED AT $1.3 MILLION, 1.6, WE SPENT 1.8 ON THE SEA WALL RESILIENCY BUT ALL THE ARPA FUNDS WERE INDICATED ON THAT SHEET AS TO WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SPENT ON ALREADY AND WE HAVE $244,000 LEFT OF THE ORIGINAL ALLOTMENT AND CARRY THAT FORWARD WITH A LOT OF MONEY IS FOR WATER WASTEWATER, WE JUST SIGNED A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS SO WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY FOR THE WATER AND SEWER, THE
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REST IS NORTH AND SOUTH FRONT STREET TO SUPPORT THE THAT YOU BELIEVE STREET OPENING AND THERE'S ONE MORE LINE I THINK ON>> THAT'S THE WASTEWATER IN ANTICIPATION OF SOME RESOLUTION FOR BRATS SO THAT'S THE BADGES OF THE ARPA ONES.
>> HOW MUCH IS THAT FOR BRATS? >> WHEN YOU APPROVED THAT -- THE ARPA STUDY THE LAST TIME THAT WAS LISTED AS $1.3 MILLION FOR GOVERNMENT FACILITIES SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT WE PARK THAT AND SEE WHAT THE COST IS OF BEING FOR BRETTS FOR RIGHT NOW.
>>> A COUPLE POINTS. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE VOTED ON WHEN IT TURNS OUT THAT $6 MILLION WHEN WE ALLOCATED THAT WE SAID WE WEREN'T SURE ABOUT THE NUMBER OFS, THAT'S NOT -- BASED ON WHAT I'M SEEING HERE THAT IS NOT INVOLVED.
THERE'S NOT $1.1 MILLION FOR STREETS ON HERE SO THEREFORE.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 747014.
>> DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE SLIDE THAT WE SAW AND THIS.
>> YES, THERE IS A DISCREPANCY THERE.
VICE MAYOR? >> IT'S PLY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE AMERICAN RESCUER FUNDS IS A NOT A STAND ALONE, IT'S A STAND ALONE BUT IT'S TRANSLATED INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND.
>> CORRECT. >> SO WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT RELATIVE TO STREETS, I'M NOT SO EXCITED ABOUT THE STREETS WHEN I DRIVER DOWN THE STREET, PARTICULARLY DOWN ALLEN I SEE ALL THE PATCHES AND DIPS EVER BEEN I'M NOT SURE THAT EIGHT HUB -- AHUNDRED THOUSAND BUT I'M NOT ALL THAT IMPRESSED OUR STREETS ARE THAT GOOD. JUST DRIVER DOWN THE STREETS AND SEE OFF THE PATCHING, THAT MAY BE RELATED TO STORM WATER AND WATER ISSUES BUT ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO PAVE THOSE STREETS THAT
ARE PATCHED. >> I'LL GO TO 700.
>> HERE'S THE DEAL EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE CONSERVATIVE BUT REMEMBER CUT MEANS ELIMINATING. AND NOBODY WAIT A MINUTE, PLEASES TO DO THAT AND AND I'VE NOT ADVOCATING THAT SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO YEAR AND IT'S NOT GOING AWAY AND TO KEEP IT IN BALANCE YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY, SO I'M DISAPPOINTED IT'S ONLY 800,000 BUT I'M WILLING TO GO
WITH 800,000. >> I THINK CUT IS THE WRONG WORD, WE SPENT 650,000 ON ROAD LAST YEAR SO I THINK WE WOULD INCREASE THE BULLET TO 700 THOUSAND DOLLARS AND I'M SAYING WE SHOULD ONLY INCREASE THE BUDGET BY 50,000-DOLLARS.
WE CAN ONLY USE THE C WORD WHICH IS CUT.
SO I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT I'M HOPING TO ADD 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE ROADS BOTTLED AND I SAY WE SHOULD DO THIS TOGETHER. LET'S ADD 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE ROADS BULLET, IT'S A WIN, WE GET TO ADD 50,000.
>> AT LEAST BALONEY. WE DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH LAST YEAR TO DO WITH A WE NEEDED TO DO AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A LITTLE MORE? IT'S FALSE ECONOMY.
TO GET A QUOTE TAX CUT YOU WANT TO CUT OUR ROADS.
IF YOU WANT TO CUT 18 PERCENT OF THE BUDGET IS PARKS AND RECREATION, THAT'S NONESSENTIAL SERVICES BUT I MAINTAIN WE SHOULD FUND POLICE AND FIRE AND I MAINTAIN WE SHOULD FUND THE ROADS TO WHAT THE STAFF SAID WE NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN IT IN OUR CURRENT STATE. THAT'S PUBLIC SAFETY AND I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS THINKING TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD 50
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THOUSAND DOLLAR AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM.>> OKAY, LET'S BE GENIAL. >> I'LL BE NICE.
>> YOU BE MAKE YOUR POINT, LET'S JUST BE GENIAL.
>> 50 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE COST OF WHAT IT WOULD DO FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, I'M SURE IT'S AT LEAST 15 PERCENT MARSH JEREMIA WOULD HAVE TO GIVE US AN EXACT COST OF PAVING BUT JUST AT 15% ON 6050 IS $97,000 SO IT'S BASICALLY 100,000-DOLLAR MORE THIS YEAR JUST BALLPARK THAN IT COST LAST YEAR TO DO IS SAME JOB. SO IT COULD BE A LITTLE MORE AND I WILL -- JEREMIA WILL HAVE TO ANSWER IT BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN KNOWING AND THEN I CAN SAY WHAT STREET DO WE WANT TO TAKE OFF AT 50 OR $100,000 THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOU'RE GOING TO KICK THAT PROJECT DOWN TO THE NEXT
YEAR, BUT IS IT WORTH IT? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN.
>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, SO ANSWER THE QUESTION I THINK IT'S EASY TO PICK WHICH STREET AND IT'S THE ONE FARTHERREST WAY.
LET'S FOLLOW THE OLD IMPROVEMENT PLAN, I WANT TO PUT THIS IN PREF BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND FISCAL YEAR 21, SO JUST TWO YEARS THE ROADS BUDGET WAS $400,000. WE'RE PROPOSING DOUBLING THE STREETS BUDGET IN TWO YEARS. AND AND IT'S FUNNY WE'RE CLAIMING WE'RE CUTTING THE VIOLATES BUDGET.
TWO YEARS AGO OUR BULLET WAS $400,000 FOR STREETS AND THIS YEAR WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 800,000-DOLLAR.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT IS DOUBLING THE STREETS BUDGET THIS TWO YEARS WHICH THE RATE OF GROWTH IS BANANAS AND I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER ROSS FOR AGREEING THAT YES $50,000 IS AN INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT. SO I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT AND I THINK ONCE AGAIN I SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL SO I'LL GO
TO THE NEXT LINE ITEM. >> CITY ENGINEER?
>> I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE COMMENTARY A LITTLE BIT.
THE REPORT WE GOT IT WENT FROM VERY GOOD TO GOOD TO IS IT FAIR TO FAIR TO POOR; TO MARGINAL TO FAILING.
SO TO SAY THAT THEY WERE VERY GOOD IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF IT IN CONTEXT, SATISFACTORY AND THE BUDGET WAS TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE WORST ONES, THE NEXT YEAR WAS TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT GROUP SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS CHASING OUR TAIL TO KEEP IT OFF THE FAILING SO IF WE DON'T BUDGET IT CORRECTLY WE'RE JUST KEEPING UP. IF WE DON'T COVER THE ONES THAT ARE MARGINAL NOW THEY'LL BE FAILING NEXT YEAR SO WE'RE TRYING THE KEEP OUR HEAD OUT OF THE WATER SO THAT WE CAN KEEP
THE SYSTEM GRINER RIT GAME GOIN. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
CHARLIE, SO IF YOU DID THESE ROADS LAST YEAR WHAT WOULD THE
COST BE? >> IF WE DID THE ROADS THAT WERE
SCHEDULED. >> YES, THESE ROADS.
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>> WE DID THESE TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THE STUDY WAS DONE, IF WE HAD BEEN BUDGETING WHAT THE CONSULTANT SAID WE WOULD BE AHEAD OF THE GAME. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST CHASING OUR TAIL. THIS YEAR IN IF WE HAD DONE THEM LAST YEAR WE WOULD BE TAKING OVER THE NEXT GROUP.
>> AS YOU MENNED THAT 15 NUMBER, THAT NEW LOW BID IS 15 PERCENT HIGHER. WE JUST OPENED THAT BID LAST WEEK, AS FAR AS IS IT THE ROAD CONDITIONS REPORT THAT HAVE 2018, SO WE ARE WORKING ON OLD DATA AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE ROBOTICS PROGRAM AND WE'LL HAVE MORE DATA SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO REFINE THAT AND BRING THAT A BETTER UPDATED LIST TO THE
COMMISSION. >> SO UNFORTUNATELY IF WE HAD THAT DATA WE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER PREPARED RIGHT THIS
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MOMENT, AND THAT DATA COULD SAY THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE 900>> WE'RE WORKING OFF SOMETHING THAT'S FOUR YEARS OLD.
>> YOU, THIS NUMBERS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, WHICH IS TO MAINTAIN, AND REMEMBER THERE'S A BACKLOG OF ROADS, ALL THE ROADS SITTING AND WAITING TO BE ADDRESSED.
>> THESE ARE THE WORST ROADS. >> I HATE TO SAY THAT'S THE ABSOLUTE WORST BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE NEW DATA WITHIN SIX WEEKS THAT MAY BETWEEN THAT BUT YES THAT'S NEXT IN THE LINE UP.
>> BRADLEY I'LL THROW THIS OUT THERE JUST TO DO IT.
LET'S TAKE 200,000-DOLLAR OUT AND AFTER WE APPROVE THE BULLET ARE YOU BUILDING TO TAKE $200,000 OF OUR RESERVES AND
FOLLOW THE NEW ASSESSMENT? >> SO I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING WE REDUCE THIS FROM 600 TO 800.
>> SIXTH 50 LAST YEAR'S RATE BUT NOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE -- NOW THAT IT'S IN RESERVE WE TAKE IT OUT -- IF THAT STUDY SAYS WE NEED MORE MONEY WE TAKE IT OUT OF RESERVES.
>> I CAN GASH GUARANTEE YOU THAT STUDY IS GOING TO SAY WE NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE ALL STUDIES SAY WE NEED MORE MONEY.
I'M REALLY COMPROMISING AND YES YOU CAN DO THAT.
IT IS AN EMERGENCY. WE'RE GOING TO SAY IT'S AN EMERGENCY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE OFFER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY IS LIKE A --
NECESSARILY IN. >> I EVER A FEELING WHEN YOU GET THAT DATA IN FOUR TO SIX WEEKS THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO LOOK
WORSE. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION HERE IS WILL THIS GO UP AGAIN NEXT YEAR AND HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH? HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
IT'S DOESN'TED DOUBLED IN TWO YEARS.
IS IT GOING TO DOUBLE AGAIN AND LAST YEAR IT WENT UP BY 50 PERCENT LAST YEAR AND I THOUGHT THIS IS BANANAS.
I CAN'T POSSIBLE THINK OF WHAT WOK WORSE THAN THAT AND HERE'S WE'RE LOOKING AT 800,000-DOLLAR KNOWER ALL TALKING LIKE IT'S A SURE THING THAT IT MIGHT GO UP AGAIN.
HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH? HOW MUCH DO WE NEED?
>> THE DOG IS CHASEING ITS TAIL. >> HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH? HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH TO HAVE A ROAD? HE'S NOT SETTING THE PRICE, THE CONTRACTOR IS SETTING THE PRICE.
FULL NAME TO IF YOU WANT A ROAD THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AND YEAH I MAY DOUBLE, IT MAY NOT BUT IT'S NOT SET BY YOUR MAGIC BUDGET NUMBER IT'S SET BY WHAT ROADS YOU WANT TO FIX AND WHAT KIND OF CONDITION UP TO KEEP THEM IN.
IT'S NOT SET BY THIS MAGIC DOUBLE OR TRIPLE OR WHATEVER IT DID AND YOU AND I DIFFER FUNDAMENTALLY ON THAT AND I'M
DONE. >> THANK YOU MR. ROSS,THAT IS WHERE WE AGREE. I DON'T MEAN TO HAVE THE TAJ MAHAL OF ROADS, I WANT GOOD ROADS AND THAT DEFINITION DIFFERS BETWEEN WHO YOU'RE ASKING.
>> OKAY, THIS ISLIKE DEJA VU. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS,
>> LEAVE IT? BUT REDUCE IT? LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT. SO THE QUESTION IS, WE HAVE TEN MINUTES DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ATLANTIC REC CENTER WHICH I BELIEVE IS REALLY A MAJOR TOPIC? OR DO WE WANT TO LET MR. STEPHEN SON SPEAK AND ADJOURN FOR THE EVENING?
>> I WILL -- I WILL PUT IT THIS WAY YOU GUYS GO AHEAD, SEE WHAT
WE CAN DO. >> SO GENTLEMEN WHAT'S YOUR
PLEASURE? >> I THINK ATLANTIC IS VERY COMPLEX AND IT IS VERY POLITICAL AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET OUR NEXT MEETING WITH CLEARER HEADS AND DISCUSS WHAT IS A MAJOR; MAJOR DECISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAYBE AT ATLANTIC CENTER.
>> I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT
MAJOR OF A DECISION. >> LET ME EXPLAIN -- WAIT A MINUTE. WE'RE GOING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE HERE. MY YOU WAS DO YOU WANT IT? IT'S YES OR NO. DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ATLANTIC REC CENTER WHICH WILL INVOLVE US GOING PAST
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8:00 O'CLOCK, ZERO SHOULD WE ADJOURN AND TACKLE ATLANTIC RECCENTER ON THE NEXT WORK SHOP? >> YES, THAT'S MY CHOICE.
>> IF WE'RE NOT STINTING EXTENDING THIS MEETING TOMORROW
WITHOUT ANY FURTHER. STAFF; THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR SPENDING YOUR TIME AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
WE'LL
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.