[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> PLEASE BE SEATED. THANK YOU.
CALL TO ORDER JULY 19TH, 2022 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> HERE.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> HERE.
COMMISSIONER STUR SDAVID STURGE? >> HERE.
>> PLUS MAYOR, CANDIDATE AND THE MAYOR CANDIDATES HERE.
PERSONAL DEVICES PUT THEM ON AIRPLANE OR TURN THEM OFF.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE COVID.
AS I ALWAYS SAY TAKE WHATEVER STEPS NECESSARY TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH AND HEALTH OF OTHERS. GREATLY APPRECIATED.
COMMISSIONERS, WE KNOW HOW TO BEHAVE.
[3.1 CRAAB UPDATE- Chair Jack Knocke will provide an update on CRA Advisory Board activities.]
ITEM 3, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION.I HAVE ON MY AGENDA, CRAAB UPDATE FROM MR. KNOCKE.
I DO NOT SEE MR. KNOCKE IN ATTENDANCE AND NOT A VICE CHAIR.
OKAY. SO HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS BEEN
IN CONTACT WITH MR. KNOCKE? >> CALLED ME YESTERDAY AND SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
WITHOUT A PRESENTATION ON AN UPDATE HOW WOULD THE COMMISSIONERS LIKE TO PROCEED, COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. SO I HAVE AN E-MAIL HERE, I HAVE THE JUNE 11, 2022 DRAFT MEETING FROM CRA.
I WAS AT THAT MEETING. IT SAYS PLAT CLEARLY SAYS RECORDING SECRETARY. ON PAGE TWO, CLEARLY SAYS CHAIR NOT IDENTIFIED, JULY 19TH CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING.
COMMUNICATIONS, WETLANDS MITIGATION, REVISED APPLICABLE CITY ORDINANCES. ALSO SAYS CHAIR KNOCKE SUGGESTED CANCELING THE MEETING SO THE BOARD COULD -- ALSO MENTIOED THE REASON WAS PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE QUOTE ON VACATION.
FINALLY SAYS BOARD BUSINESS, MOTION MADE BY MEMBER HOPKINS.
SECONDED BY MEMBER COOKE TO HAVE CHAIR KNOCKE PRESENT FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AT JULY 19TH COMMISSION REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING STAFF ASSISTANCE. VOTE TAKEN ALL VOTES IN FAVOR PASSING UNANIMOUSLY. I THEN HAVE AN E-MAIL THAT CAME TWO DAYS LATER ON JULY, ON JUNE 3RD WHICH WAS FROM MR. KNOCKE TO JACOB PLAT AND KATY NEWTON. MR. PLAT RECORDING SECRETARY, KATY NEWTON ASSISTANT FOR THE ATTORNEY.
IN PERTINENT PART, ASK YOU SEEK INPUT CRA MEMBERS SEPARATELY AND PERSONALLY SO WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
REGARDING OUR PRESENTATION TO THE CRA EXECUTIVE BOARD.
THEN I HAVE AN E-MAIL HERE JULY 18TH.
AGAIN TO MR. PLAT, IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO GO WITHOUT FEEDBACK FROM CRAAB MEMBERS TO PRESENT TO THE CRA.
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THEN I HAVE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, I WILL READ, BACK TO 1979, SIMILARLY SUNSHINE LAW IMPLICATED PERSON OTHER THAN BOARD MEMBER, ALSO HAS TO DO WITH ADVISORY BOARDS USED AS A LIAISON. FOR EXAMPLE, CITY MANAGER MAY NOT ASK COMMISSIONERS TO STATE HIS OR HER PORTION CONSIDERED AT A PUBLIC MEETING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE INFORMATION.THAT IS CALLED CONDUIT COMMUNICATION.
YOU CAN'T DO WHAT WAS ASKED OF MR. PLAT GO AND GET CONSENSUS.
CAN'T SEND ONE PERSON BY ANOTHER IT IS NOT KOSHER BY FLORIDA LAW.
MY CONCERNS ARE THE FOLLOWING. ROLE OF THE CHAIR TO FACILITATE DISCUSSION AT MEETINGS. OBVIOUSLY FROM THOSE E-MAILS THAT THE CHAIR IS DELEGATING THAT TO THE RECORDING SECRETARY.
ROLE IS TO RECORD THE MINUTES. - MISUNDERSTANDING OR UNWILLINGNESS TO ABIDE BY THE SUNSHINE LAWS.
BOARD DIRECTED CHAIR TO COME TO THIS MEETING IS NOT HERE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING A MEETING IN JULY, WHICH WOULD HAVE PROCEEDED THIS MEETING WHERE ALL THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE, THAT WAS CANCELLED. AND FINALLY, MR. KNOCKE KNEW THERE WAS A MEETING. HE HAD DIRECTION FROM BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND HASN'T APPEARED. HASN'T CONTACTED CITY MANAGER BEST TO MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT.
SO I AM JUST CURIOUS, I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE OTHER
CITY COMMISSIONERS HAD TO SAY. >> COMMISSIONERS?
>> VICE MAYOR? >> UM, MR. KNOCKE CALLED ME AND SAID HE WASN'T GOING TO BE HERE AND EXPRESSED HIS CERTAIN WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS LACK OF SUPPORT FROM STAFF.
HE GAVE SPECIFICS. HIS CONCERN, I GUESS OR ASSUMPTION HE WANTED TO GET A CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD.
I AM NOT SURE THAT ASKING SOMEBODY TO INTERVENE IS NECESSARILY AN APPROPRIATE VIOLATION TO SUNSHINE.
IF IT WERE I ASSUME THEY WENT BACK AND VOTED.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO SOME HOW WE HAVE TO IF WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THIS BOARD, WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND GET THEIR GOALS AND PROCEDURES STRAIGHTENED OUT. WE ARE ALL JUST SPINNING OUR WHEELS. NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, MR. KNOCKE AS WELL REACHED OUT TO ME NOT YESTERDAY BUT THE DAY BEFORE.
HAD THE SAME PHONE CALL. SOUNDS LIKE HE HAD WITH LYNN EXPRESSING CONCERN WITH STAFF. THAT HE WASN'T GETTING THE BACKING THAT HE FELT FROM STAFF. I COULD GO INTO MANY DIFFERENT DETAILS HE DISCUSSED ON THE PHONE.
I BETTER LEAVE THAT FOR HIM TO SAY WHEN HE WANTS TO SAY IT.
ULTIMATELY, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IF HE NEEDS CONSENSUS, SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE AT MEETING WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS THERE.
IF THERE IS SOME REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T HAVE MEETING BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE OUT OF TOWN AND JULY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THAT ONE, BUT, ULTIMATELY, THIS BOARD IS ONLY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS OLD. I AM NOT GOING TO SAY LET'S THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER YET.
BUT I AM -- FINE BULLET POINTS AS YOU MENTIONED, CHIP, ALL HE GOT WAS THE FIVE BULLET POINTS FROM JACOB, FROM STAFF.
THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT I GOT FROM THE WHOLE CONVERSATION.
BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, I THINK THAT I DON'T WANT TO BE AS CONCERNED WITH THE BOARD AND HOW I THINK WE AS A CITY COMMISSION NEED TO GIVE THEM A DEFINITE DIRECTION.
IF THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE DIRECTION, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE FROM THEM TO PROVIDE TO US, AS A CRA BOARD AND THAT IS WHAT I AM
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HEARING NEEDS TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.IF HE HASN'T GOTTEN THAT DIRECTION, WE NEED TO LAY THAT DIRECTION OUT TONIGHT. THESE ARE THE ONE OR TWO OR THREE POINTS WE EXPECT HIM TO BE WORKING ON AND THE ANSWERS WE EXPECT WORKING -- BECAUSE WE STARTED THIS BOARD, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY TO IMPROVE CRA DISTRICT.
TO HELP AS WELL AS WITH LISA BEING A MEMBER OF THE BOARD, 20% OF HER DUTIES IS TO HELP WITH THE CRA AND WORK WITH THE CRA.
>> THE TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT SPOKE WITH MR. KNOCKE, WHAT IS HE NOT GETTING? WHAT DOES HE CLAIM HE ISN'T
GETTING? >> HE MENTIONED THE WHOLE STAFF.
NOT BY NAME BUT MENTIONED DALE. I DIDN'T GET INTO ALL OF IT.
I TOOK HIS CALL, HE TOLD ME. I DIDN'T GET INTO DISCUSSIONS
ABOUT THOSE THINGS. >> OKAY, DID YOU?
>> I WENT OVER SPECIFICS, HERE. OTHER THAN THIS GENERATION OF
SUPPORT. >> I DIDN'T GET SPECIFICS EXACTLY. ALL I GOT WAS HE REACHED OUT TO DALE. DALE WASN'T COMMUNICATING ENOUGH WITH HIM. THAT IS BASICALLY ALL I GOT FROM THE WHOLE DISCUSSION, DALE WASN'T COMMUNICATING ENOUGH WITH HIM. HE WANTS MORE OF STAFF SUPPORT.
I AM NOT SURE DALE SPECIFICALLY IS THE STAFF SUPPORT HE WOULD BE NEEDING. THAT IS WHAT I GOT COMMUNICATED
TO ME. >> MR. ROSS, YOU HAVE A
QUESTION? >> I HAVE A CONCERN.
I HAVE BEEN TO ALL THE CRA MEETINGS EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST ONE. TO BE HONEST LAST CRA MEETING, ONE OF THE MEMBERS SAID YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE CITY REGULATIONS.
I WILL POINT OUT IN FOUR MONTHS TWO PEOPLE HAVE QUIT, RESIGNED FOR WHATEVER REASONS. THERE HAS BEEN NO APPLICATIONS TO REPLACE THEM. UM, WHEN THEY SAY STAFF SUPPORT.
THEY WANT STAFF TO GIVE THEM THIS AND THAT.
I HAVE BEEN ON BOARDS. THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.
YOU GO LOOK AT THE REGULATION. YOU GO LOOK IT UP.
[INAUDIBLE] YOU HAVE TO GO READ IT AND SPEND THE TIME.
ALL THAT BOARD, MEETINGS I HAVE BEEN TO, ONE COMPLAINT AFTER ANOTHER THEY ARE NOT QUOTE GETTING SUPPORT.
THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE THERE FOR TO DO YOUR JOB.
WHY DO WE NEED ADVISORY BOARD TO ADVISE US WHO IS GOING TO THE CITY STAFF TO ASK THEM TO GIVE THE INFORMATION.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE EXPERTISE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
>> COMMISSIONER BEAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
>> SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP MISS GEORGE, I TOO, WAS CALLED BY JACK KNOCKE.
HE GAVE ME THE SAME SPIEL YOU GUYS GOT.
I WANT TO MAKE THREE POINTS REAL QUICK.
IT WASN'T A NO CALL, NO SHOW. HE DID CALL SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS. NO. 2, I WANT TO ADDRESS POINT I CERTAINLY SEE NO SUNSHINE VIOLATION HERE.
THERE IS NOT THAT HAS OCCURRED. THERE IS CERTAINLY NO IF THAT IS AN ARGUMENT MADE I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE HAPPEN.
NO. 3, IS JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER STURGES THIS IS STILL ONLY A FOUR-MONTH-OLD BOARD. I SAY WE LET IT GO A LITTLE
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LONGER TO SEE HOW MUCH THEY CAN DO.THAT IS WHERE I AM AT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR WHAT
MR. GEORGE HAS TO SAY. >> CAN I RESPOND TO SUNSHINE.
SUNSHINE LAW CRYSTAL CLEAR. CAN'T HAVE ONE PERSON CITY MANAGER, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY ENGINEER GO PERSON TO PERSON TO PERSON, CRYSTAL CLEAR. THEN GET YOUR OPINION AND MULL THEM ALTOGETHER AND TALK TOGETHER.
THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. WHAT IT SAYS IN THIS E-MAIL RIGHT HERE. SO WE ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT.
THAT IS THE JOB OF THE CHAIRPERSON.
IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE RECORDING SECRETARY.
SORRY. I THINK IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO ASK THIS. WHETHER IT IS A VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE LAW OR NOT. IT IS A VIOLATION OF DUTIES IN THIS JOB IN MY OPINION. SO.
>> MR. MAYOR, CAN I RESPOND. GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING.
WE ARE GOOD. >> HERE IS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT. INAPPROPRIATE FOR A PERSON HEAD OF A COMMITTEE TO DO THINGS THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.
THEY ARE UNABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T READ THE LAW AND SUPPOSED TO TAKE A CLASS AND UNDERSTAND OR B UNWILLING TO ABIDE BY THE SUNSHINE LAW. SOMEBODY WAS ASKED TO DO THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU CANNOT KEEP YOUR LIGHT ON.
COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE CONVERSATION I SHOULD MENTION IS, HE WAS WANTING LISA TO REPORT LISA ON THE BOARD.
I AM SURE AT ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS. I PROBABLY SHOULD GO TO THE NEXT MEETING. SHE WANTED LISA TO REPORT ON WHAT MAIN STREAM IS DOING ON THE CRA OR ALREADY HAS IN THE WORKS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DIDN'T GET DIDN'T COME ACROSS CORRECTLY OR IT WASN'T AIRED OUT. BASICALLY, I THINK HE IS ASKING DALE IF SHE COULD PUT A PRESENTATION ON TO THE CRA TO THAT EFFECT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
THAT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS. >> VICE MAYOR?
>> THIS E-MAIL SENT TO THE CITY, ASSUME THERE WAS A RESPONSE.
SHOULD I HAVE REVIEWED MINUTES FROM THE MEETING.
WE HAVE A CHAIRMAN THAT I ASSUME HASN'T BEEN TO ETHICS TRAINING.
>> COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR, NOT THE ENGINEER.
LIT ME CLARIFY COUPLE OF THINGS, ONE IS RECORDING SECRETARY NOT LEGAL AID TO ANY BOARD. AS FAR AS STAFF SUPPORT, BOARD OR COMMISSION ASKS YOU FOR SOMETHING YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON OR YOU KNOW INFORMATION, THAT IS STAFF SUPPORT.
MR. PLAT DID TELL MR. KNOCKE WHEN HE ASKED THAT, THAT WAS NOT
APPROPRIATE TO DO THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> AND TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING STAFF SUPPORT HE IS NOT
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ASKED ME OR ANYBODY THAT I KNOW OF TO GET INFORMATION THAT THE STAFF IS KNOWLEDGEABLE ON. TO ASK US TO GO AND TRY TO GET CONSENSUS FROM MEMBERS OF HIS OWN BOARD AND BRING BACK TO HIM, JUST SEEMS WRONG. AND THAT IS MY STANCE ON IT.THAT IS MR. PLAT'S STANCE AND OFFENDED MR. PLAT WORKS FOR ME IN MY DEPARTMENT HE WAS ASKED TO BE PUT IN THAT POSITION.
HE FELT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IN THAT ROLE.
I AM PROUD OF HIM HE STOOD UP AND SAID NO.
IF HE HAD BEEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PURE VIOLATION OF SUNSHINE
LAW. >> DID YOU NOTIFY CITY MANAGER?
>> NO. CITY MANAGER IS LIAISON TO CRA.
>> WHEN COMMUNICATIONS GO OUT, REDUCES WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS, SHOULD BE RESPONDED TO IN WRITING.
SO WE DON'T GET THIS HE SAID SHE SAID, IF WE HAD RESPONDED THIS IS APPROPRIATE, THIS IS NOT THE WAY IT IS DONE, HERE ARE THE MINUTES. A POSITIVE, I THINK PART OF WHAT
IS GOING ON IS -- [INAUDIBLE] >> LET ME FINISH.
THERE WAS A WHEREIN REQUEST. I ANSWER ALL WRITTEN REQUESTS.
IT IS A RECORD. WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT SUNSHINE RULES. I AM SAYING THAT IS WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE. THAT IS WHAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN. NOT A BUNCH OF TELEPHONE CALLS.
MR. KNOCKE DOESN'T KNOW THIS STUFF.
HE IS LIKE A REGULAR CIVILIAN. EVEN IF HE BELIEVED HE KNOWS IT, OBLIGATION ON US TO MAKE SURE HE KNOWS IT.
>> I AGREE BUT I THINK YOU ARE PUTTING TOO MUCH PRESSURE ON A YOUNG GUY AS A RECORDING SECRETARY, HE KNOWS HIS ROLE IS
TO TAKE AND DISTRIBUTE MINUTES. >> YOUNG GUY HAS YOU AND CITY
LET'S MOVE ON FROM THE SUNSHINE LAW.
AND MOVE ON TO THE UNDERLYING ISSUE.
WHICH IS CHAIRMAN OF A BOARD THUMBING HIS NOSE.
HE CALLED THREE COMMISSIONERS. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, THAT HOW WE DO BUSINESS? HOW SHOULD I FEEL? HOW SHOULD THE CHAIR OF THE EXECUTIVE CRA COMMITTEE FEEL THAT I WASN'T NOTIFIED HE WAS NOT GOING TO BE IN ATTENDANCE. I WASN'T NOTIFIED OF HIS GRIEVANCES. GENTLEMAN, I WOULD HAVE CANCELLED THIS MEETING. I WOULD HAVE NOTIFIED CITY MANAGER AND NOTIFIED CHAIR OF CRA IS NOT GOING TO APPEAR.
THERE IS NO SENSE IN US SITTING DOWN AND HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
THAT IS NO. 1. NO. 2, THIS COMMITTEE IS OVERSIGHT. HOW CAN WE HOLD ADVISORY COMMITTEE ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN SHOW UP? THERE IS THE EMPTY LECTERN. DIDN'T SEND A REPRESENT, DIDN'T DESIGNATE REPRESENTATIVE. THERE IS AN EMPTY LECTERN.
WHAT DO WE SAY ABOUT THIS BEHAVIOR? HOW DO WE HOLD THE CHAIR ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS BEHAVIOR? TO COMMISSIONER ROSS' POINTS, WE HAVE ADVISED THEM OF WHAT WE WANT. AT THE VERY LAST MEETING, THIS BOARD, MR. KNOCKE STOOD THERE AND WE TOLD HIM WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT. OKAY.
AFTER BEING TOLD WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT, WHICH INCLUDED RESIDENTIAL ON THE RIVER FRONT. GUESS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS AT THEIR JUNE MEETING? RESIDENTIAL ON THE RIVER FRONT.
WHAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND BECAUSE THE OWNER WANTS TO BUILD A DOCK AND REFERS TO THE PROPERTY AS MUCK.
HE WANTS TO MITIGATE WETLANDS. MITIGATE WETLANDS OFF THE ISLAND NET, NET LOSS OF WETLANDS. IN MY READING, SO I AM WILLING TO CONTINUE, BUT MY READING IS THIS BOARD FROM WHAT I HAVE
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LISTENED TO AND EXPERIENCED WANTS OPEN SEASON ON THE RIVER FRONT. THAT IS MY READING.AND THAT COMES OUT OF THE MOUTHS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS EXCLUDING LISA. I DON'T THINK I HAVE MISCHARACTERIZED THAT. I HAVE WATCH THATTED MEETING THREE TIMES. THE ISSUE IS HOW DO WE PROCEED? HOW DO WE HOLD THIS BOARD ACCOUNTABLE?
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> EVERYBODY WANTS TO RUN THE CITY LIKE A BUSINESS. I HAVE HEARD THAT FROM EVERY ONE OF YOU. IF YOU HAD AN EMPLOYEE THAT THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK, WAS TOLD BY HIS BOARD TO GIVE A PRESENTATION AND DIDN'T BOTHER TO CALL THE CHAIR.
THEY WOULD BE TERMINATED. JUST CURIOUS WHAT THINK ABOUT
>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AT LEAST I MADE THE COMMENT YOU GUYS COME UP WITH WHATEVER IDEAS YOU WANT.
WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE WED LANDS THINGS LIKE THAT, MY EXPERIENCE SIX YEARS ON PAB, STAFF WOULD HAVE COME UP AND SAY THAT IS INAPPROPRIATE. THEY WOULD HAVE THE EDUCATION PROCESS. THAT ONE DIDN'T -- [INAUDIBLE] AT ALL. I THINK THIS BOARD HAS HAD HOSTILE RELATIONSHIPS SINCE DAY ONE.
TO MAKE IT WORK, WE HARE GOING O HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND GIVE GUIDANCE AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO KILL THAT BOARD NOW. I THINK IT COULD PROVIDE POSITIVE -- WHETHER WE LIKE WHAT THEY ARE PROVIDING OR NOT WHETHER IT IS CONSISTENT WITH CODE ORDINANCES, COMP PLAN.
THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR. IS TO COME UP WITH IDEAS WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WETLANDS.
THAT WAS THE GUIDANCE I THOUGHT WE GAVE THEM.
SO, SOME HOW IT HAS RUN A MUCK AND HAVE TO UNMUCK IT.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> I WANT TO POINT OUT AT THE LAST MEETING MR. PLAT DID EXPLAIN WETLANDS REGULATION.
BASICALLY THE MESSAGE WAS THAT IS STUPID.
YOU WATCHED THE MEETING. >> TONE OF THE MEETING IS THE
CITY IS IN THE WAY. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
NOT ARGUING THAT. HOW DO YOU WANT TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. WE CAN'T IGNORE BEHAVIOR THAT JUST TOOK PLACE. I AM ALL EARS.
>> COME ON. >> FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS TERMINATE THE CHAIRMAN. YOU ASKED ME.
>> COMMISSIONER? >> WHEN THERE IS A LACK OF EMPLOYEES, I WOULD GIVE A STRONG WARNING.
I USUALLY DON'T FIRE MY EMPLOYEES, I TALK TO THEM TO MAKE IT RIGHT BEFORE THE NEXT TIME.
ONCE THERE ARE TWO STRIKES THERE ISN'T A THIRD.
SO, ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WHETHER IT IS A MEMO OR LETTER THAT SAYS WE WERE EXPECTING YOU KNOW, AN UPDATE FROM THE CRA. WE ARE EXPECTING WHAT WE WOULD THINK WOULD BE A PRESENTATION FOR WHATEVER REASON, AT LEAST SEND SOMEBODY IN PROXY IF YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT YOURSELF.
I WOULD FEEL WE WOULD GIVE A DISCUSSION TO THE HEAD OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS UM, IN MY OPINION SOUNDS LIKE THEY DON'T
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KNOW WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE, WHAT WE EXPECT, WE NEED TO SPELL IT OUT. THOSE ARE MY TWO BIGGEST THINGS I WOULD BE CONCERNED OUT, ADDR ADDRESSING NOT MAKING COMMUNICATION WITH DALE OR YOURSELF WHICH IS THE BIGGEST THING.EVEN THOUGH HE CALLED THREE COMMISSIONERS.
I CAN'T CALL YOU AND SAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON.
I CAN'T CALL CHIP. DEFINITELY COULD HAVE CALLED DALE, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON. BUT -- THAT IS MY OPINION.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM AND TRY TO CLARIFY WHAT WE DISCUSS HERE BEING ABLE TO WATCH.
HOPEFULLY HE IS WATCHING THIS. THAT WOULD BE ONE STEP.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO INTERJECT MYSELF WHERE THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE GOING AND SOME OF THE ISSUES BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO BOTH COMMISSIONER STURGES AND VICE MAYOR. I AM FINE SENDING VICE MAYOR KREGER TO BE OUR LIAISON. I THINK IT SHOULD COME FROM YOU.
BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE WASN'T INFORMED.
I WOULD PROBABLY SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEND A LETTER, SHOULD BE SIGNED BY
YOURSELF. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> I AM READING FROM OBSERVER ARTICLE POSTED ON THE 21ST OF APRIL. CRAAB READS COMMISSIONER ON GOALS AND STRATEGIES. ALL THE THINGS WE DIDN'T WANT THEM TO DO. CLEARLY.
WE WENT THROUGH THE HEIGHT ALL THOSE THINGS GUESS WHAT? AT THAT LAST MEETING, THOSE ARE ALL THE THINGS THEY BROUGHT UP.
WE CLEARLY S, NO. I MADE THE POINT.
WE GRIND THE SAME RISKS OVER AND OVER.
DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE THIS AND THAT.
HERE WE ARE. GIVE THEM DIRECTION.
I COULD DO SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME.
COULD YOU PUT THAT ONE SLIDE UP. >> COULD I INTERJECT ONE THING? LET ME OFFER MY ADVICE. I DON'T THINK THIS RISES TO TERMINATION. YOU DO HAVE E-MAIL THAT SHOWS FIVE AREAS OF RECOMMENDATION THAT CRA BOARD WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU. I THINK YOU'LL GET TO THE POINT EXACTLY WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. THEY TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS, SEAWALL, CHANGE DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE IN A LIGHTNING ROUND OF DISCUSSION NOW.
AGAIN, YEAH, IF YOU LOOK THOSE OVER WHAT WAS SHARED, I THINK THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS GOING TO POINT OUT, YOU DON'T WANT TO CHANGE, APPROVED COMMUNICATION, YOU CAN ADDRESS WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE DESPITE MR. KNOCKE'S ABSENCE. WOULD HE HAVE FILLED IN GAPS? WE HAVE THE FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS WE DISCUSSED AT THE CRA ADVISORY MEETING. FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN.
THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOUR LIGHT
IS STILL ON. >> COULD YOU PUT UP THE ONE
SLIDE, THE LIST? >> OLD SCHOOL?
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>> ALL RIGHT. I MADE A LIST OF ALL THINGS GOING ON IN CRA. THERE IS ANOTHER PAGE CITY COMMISSION INVOLVED IN ALL THESE THINGS, CITY STAFF INVOLVED IN.
THE CRAAB COMMITTEE GIVEN UP. OF THIS LIST.
THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, HAVE BEEN DONE OR PLAN TO BE DUE OR NEED TO BE DONE IN THE CRA.
THIS COMES OUT ALL THE STUFF. WHAT IS IT WE WANT THE CRA TO DO? WHAT DO THEY NEED ADVISE ON ANY ONE OF THESE THINGS, WHICH ONE? YOU HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF YOU NOW. SEE.
Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE THEM. SORRY.
WHAT DO YOU WANT THE CRA, WE SAID WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM CORRECTION. WHICH ONE OF THESE THINGS DO WE WANT THEM TO GIVE US ADVICE ON OR GIVE US REDIRECTION OR
WHATEVER? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN.
>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. IT IS NOT ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR THING THAT YOU GET ADVISE ON. IT IS ABOUT ALL OF THEM.
LET'S PUT THIS AS AN EXAMPLE WHAT IS PARKS AND REC DOING? THEY LOOK AT THE PARKS. THEY ARE NOT MAKING, WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THEY ARE LOOKING AND GIVING US ADVISE ON ALL THE PARKS. THEY LOOK AT ALL THE PARKS.
THEY TALK ABOUT IT, THEY BRING THAT FORWARD IF IT IS NEEDED TO COME FORWARD. THAT IS THE ISSUE THEREFORE.
THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FOUNDED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN THESE OTHER COMMITTEES. WE HAVE EVERY THREE MONTHS REVIEW WHAT THIS ONE SPECIFIC COMMITTEE DOES.
THAT IS CAUSING, IT IS NOT ANY ONE ISSUE.
IT IS THAT THE COMMITTEE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ALL ISSUES.
IF THE ISSUE IS PRESENT, THEY CAN RISE UP FORWARD THAT IS HOW
I WOULD PERCEIVE THAT WORDING. >> VICE MAYOR?
>> AS I SAID BEFORE, LOOK AT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO TO APPROVE IT GETS TO WETLANDS, TELL THEM IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE AND STUFF. THEY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN IDEAS. RARELY SAID PARKS AND RECS COMING UP WITH ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF STUFF.
THERE HAS BEEN OPPOSITION TO THIS BOARD FROM DAY ONE.
IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT WORK, LET'S TRY TO MAKE IT WORK.
GIVE THEM DIRECTION. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT CHIP FOR THIS. THEY CAN LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT AND THE CRA. AND THEY CAN BECOME EDUCATED.
BRAND NEW BOARD, BRAND NEW PEOPLE.
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> HERE IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT. WHAT IS THE EXPERTISE THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US? WHY ARE WE EDUCATING A BOARD.
IF I CONVENE A BOARD OF INFECTIOUS DISEASE DOCTORS.
YOU ARE ENGAGING THE BOARD TO GET SPECIFIC ADVICE.
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I CAN UNDERSTAND FRUSTRATION OF BEING ON A BOARD, THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY WERE HIRED FOR. WHAT IS IT ON THIS LIST OR ANY LIST YOU WANT. WHAT IS IT YOU WANT THEM TO DO? I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION OF BEING ON A BOARD LIKE THAT.YOU ARE GO LOOK AT ANYTHING AND COME TALK TO US ABOUT IT.
WE ARE NOT MEETING EVERY THREE MONTHS TO OVERSEE THEM.
WE ARE MEETING EVERY THREE MONTHS TO GET ALL THOSE THINGS DONE. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HELP US.
THAT IS AN IMPRESSIVE LIST. A LOT OF THEM ARE MOVING ALONG.
WHAT OTHER EXPERTISE ARE YOU GIVE THING CRAAB BOARD TO GIVE SPECIFICALLY? WHAT I AM HEARING IS YOU WANT THEM TO PONTIFICATE ABOUT SOMETHING.
IT IS FUZZY. THAT IS THE FRUSTRATION BEING ON A BOARD LIKE THAT. DO WE HAVE SOME QUESTION WE WANT
>> WOULD BE GREAT. >> I THINK THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN RIVER WALK EASEMENT, LAND ACQUISITION ON CITY OWNED LAND. FLOOD WALL EASEMENT.
LAND -- THE [INAUDIBLE] BUILDING, SHOULD IT BE DEMOLISHED? WHAT SHOULD GO THERE? THROUGH RELATIONSHIPS OR CONTACTS, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. THEY COULD PRIVATELY HOLD PROPERTIES WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE.
WHAT DO THEY SEE AS THE RIVER FRONT? THEY TOLD US WHAT THEY SEE DESPITE WHAT WE TOLD THEM WE DIDN'T WANT. NO, NO, NO, COME BACK.
I AGREE THE CHAIR SHOULD NOT BE TERMINATED.
I FEEL STRONGLY THEY NEED A NEW CHAIR.
A CHAIRMAN NOT SHOWING UP BEFORE THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS UNACCEPTABLE. IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
IF THE CHAIR HAD GRIEVANCES, A THIS IS A PUBLIC BODY.
AIR YOUR GRIEVANCES PUBLICALLY. DON'T HIDE BEHIND PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS WITH THREE COMMISSIONERS.
AIR THEM PUBLICALLY. STAND UP AT THIS LECTERN, HAVE THE COURAGE, DO YOUR JOB AS CHAIR.
AIR YOUR GRAE GRIEVANCES. ONLY WAY WE SOLVE THEM IS TO HEAR THEM. WHAT I AM HEARING IS SECOND HAND. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT BY THE CHAIR. I AM GOING TO REQUEST THE CHAIR STEP DOWN AND THAT BOARD ELECT A NEW CHAIR.
DO I HAVE YOUR SUPPORT COMMISSIONERS?
>> I HAVE ONE NO. >> I HAVE ONE YES.
>> OH, THIS IS -- >> HE STAYS ON THE BOARD HE IS
NOT THE CHAIR. >> ARE WE APPOINTING ANOTHER
CHAIR? >> THEY WILL APPOINT THEIR NEW CHAIR. CORRECT IT IS UP TO THEM.
>> I AM GOING TO SEE WHAT COMMISSIONER STURGES SAYS?
[LAUGHTER]. >> THIS IS THE MAN [LAUGHTER].
>> ANSWER IS NO, NOT YET. I, I AM 100%, I CAN ONLY SAY MY COMMENTS WERE YOU SHOULD BE AT THE MEETING.
>> JUST TO GUESS CLARIFICATION, MR. MAYOR ABOUT WHAT THE CRA SHOULD DO. EASEMENTS AND SEAWALLS.
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ONE OF THE CHALLENGES STAFF HAS HAD IS SOMETIMES THERE IS TOO MANY PEOPLE TALKING TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE MESSAGE GETS MIXED. DO YOU WANT STAFF TO DEFER TO THE CRA BOARD TO NOT LEAD THESE DISCUSSIONS? ONLY BECAUSE IT TENDS TO GET CONFUSING AT TIMES THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.>> HAVING BEEN AT SEVERAL MEETINGS AND WATCHED ALL OF THEIR MEETINGS, ONE OF THEIR MAIN OBJECTIVES TO HAVE A FORUM TO APPEAR BEFORE THEM. AND TO AIR THEIR CONCERNS AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF
THIS GROUP. >> I THOUGHT THEY HAD THAT MEETING WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> UNFORTUNATELY THE CHAIRMAN IS NOT HERE TO ADDRESS THAT AND
GIVE US FEEDBACK. >> ONLY ONE SHOWED UP.
[LAUGHTER]. >> UNFORTUNATELY I AM HEARING
THAT FROM YOU AND NOT THE CHAIR. >> YOU WATCHED THE TAPE.
>> I AM HEARING THAT FROM YOU AND NOT THE TAPE.
>> MIKE, THAT IS RIDICULOUS. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS ON WHAT THE BOARD SHOULD BE DOING.
WHAT DIRECTION THEY SHOULD BE GOING.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE FOLLOW THROUGH.
THINGS BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD AND HOW THEY WORK WITH STAFF AND HOW THAT BOARD INTERACTS WITH STAFF AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, THIS BE RESOLVED IN SOME ISSUE. IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF DISCONNECT, NEEDS TO BE UNCONNECTED, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE. WHETHER THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE CHAIRMAN OR NOT REGARDLESS, I AM MAKING THAT STATEMENT.
SOME HOW ANOTHER WE NEED A CLEAR DIRECTION AND MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU.
>> ARE YOU ACCEPTING MY OFFER DO YOU WANT ME TO BE THE LIAISON?
THE AUDIENCE. >> I WILL POLL THE
COMMISSIONERS. >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.
>> WE HAVE ONE YES. >> I SAY ABSOLUTELY.
GREAT IDEA. LET'S GET VICE MAYOR INVOLVED.
>> WHICH MEANS, IT IS ONE MORE, THAT IS FINE THAT YOU OFFERED.
I APPRECIATE YOU OFFERING BUT YOU REPRESENT YOUR OWN OPINION.
YOU DON'T REPRESENT THE CRA'S OPINION.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH HAVING LIAISON'S ON BOARDS.
LIAISON TO GO THERE, LISTEN, REPORT BACK.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, TELL ME WHAT TUR GOING TO DO?
>> I SPENT FIVE YEARS BEING AIRPORT LIAISON.
TRYING TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE CASES WHERE THE AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE RUNNING A MUCK, HELPS TO GET THEM STRAIGHT AND IDEAS RIGHT AND BRING IN SOME OF THE GOVERNING REGULATIONS AND STUFF. IT IS JUST AN EFFORT TO PUT THEM
IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT WORK IT IS WORK ALL I AM SAYING.
THAT IS THE JOB OF THE STAFF PERSON.
STAFF PERSON IS THE CITY MANAGER.
ALL RIGHT. WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT.
I GOT UP AND PONTIFICATED WHAT I THOUGHT.
COMMISSIONER PUTTING YOUR FINGER ON THE SCALE FROM YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW. THERE IS WHERE I HAVE MY DISCOMFORT WITH THAT. FOR THAT PURPOSE I DO NOT THINK CITY COMMISSIONER SHOULD BE GOING TO A BOARD AND TELLING HIM THIS AND THAT. THAT IS THE JOB OF STAFF.
JOB OF CITY COMMISSION IS POLICY.
IT IS NOT TO ARTICULATE THAT. IF THEY ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THAT, THAT SHOULD BE THE STAFF'S JOB.
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CAN BE NOBODY BETTER THAN STAFF DOING THAT THAN THE CITYMANAGER. >> I MADE THE OFFER, TWO YESES, TWO NO'S. THREE YESES.
> THAT IS FINE. >> THAT IS FINE.
>> I THINK I CAN BE OBJECTIVE ENOUGH TO INFLUENCE POSITIVELY.
I DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL AGENDA, GUYS.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE CHEWED THAT ENOUGH.
HERE IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I WILL WRITE A STERN LETTER TO THE CHAIR, ONE, FOR FAILURE TO APPEAR, FAILURE TO NOTIFY THE CHAIR OF HIS ABSENCE FROM THIS MEETING.
B, FAILURE TO BE AT THE MEETING. C, ANY REPEAT BEHAVIOR, HE WILL BE REMOVED. DO YOU ALL AGREE WITH THAT TWO
STRIKES? >> THAT IS WHAT I HEARD?
>> THREE OR FOUR, HE WAS PREVIOUSLY ADVISED IN WAS IT THE
APRIL MEETING -- >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> IN APRIL BY THIS BOARD OF WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT WE DID NOT WANT WE WILL PUT THAT IN WRITING ONCE AGAIN.
SO THEY KNOW THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PLAY BOX, SAND BOX.
GREAT? >> I HAVE ONE MORE THING.
>> YES, SIR? >> DO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WETLANDS? THIS IS ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE ENTIRE CRA THAT HAS WETLANDS.
TITLE WATERS OF THE STATE. WHOLE THING FILLING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN MY OPINION. CAN WE AGREE THAT IS ALL THE
TABLE FOR THE CRA. >> COMMISSIONER?
>> ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS, YOU MENTIONED MARINA, PILE ONS.
>> TO DO THAT HE HAS TO GO TO FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENT AND CORE OF ENGINEERS, TITLE ONE.
>> WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE THEN. I MONITOR FOR WETLANDS.
IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF.
[5.1 PROJECT UPDATES - Staff will provide an update on ongoing and upcoming projects within the CRA.]
>> ALL RIGHT. CITY MANAGER, UNDER 5 PNTD 1 PROJECT UPDATES DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS LISTED A SUMMARY.
SOUTH TO NORTH RIVER WALK COMPLETED.
MIGHT BE A FEW HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES.
RAILROAD PROJECTS MOBILIZED IN MID AUGUST TO START THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THOSE. THEY ARE WORKING ON UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PROJECT.
PARKING LOT AREA. THERE IS THE -- LATER THIS MONTH THAT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE DID GET THE SURVEY AND THE APPRAISALS FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD LOT AND 101 NORTH FUNCTIONING LOT. ATLANTIC SEAFOOD ASSIGNMENT OF LEASE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED THIS EVENING, BUMPED TO THE NEXT MEETING. THAT IS MOVING FORWARD.
NOW THAT WE HAVE SURVEY, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE TO PREPARE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS DIRECTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
STILL WAITING FOR ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT STORM WATER PROJECT.
I SIGNED OFF ON PROPOSAL FROM SURVEYOR.
ONE OF THE SIDEWALK CONNECTING PROJECTS FROM BASICALLY NORTH END OF SALTY PELICAN TO ELATUA STREET.
MAINLY UTILIZE FOR PARKING TO SUPPORT THE GREAT FIELD INN.
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THAT PROPERTY OWNER GAVE US PERMISSION TO OBTAIN A SURVEY TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. HOPEFULLY THAT PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETED THIS CALENDAR YEAR. DONE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTS BUT AT LEAST HAVE SIDEWALK IN PLACE.I KNOW WE HAVE SIDEWALKS IN CONTINUED ECONOMIC ON NORTH SECOND STREET. CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF THE THE STANDARD MARINE SITE. SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT GOING ON IN
CRA. >> COULD I REQUEST, I DON'T WANT TO THROW MORE WORK ON STAFF. READER'S DIGEST SURVEY OF THE
HYDROLOGY. >> I'LL E-MAIL YOU A COPY.
IT IS A ONE-PAGE DOCUMENT. >> IT IS GOING TO BE BRIEF?
>> IT IS ONE PAGE. >> THAT IS FINE.
>> WAS THAT A HYDROLOGY -- IT IS JUST A SURVEY.
>> HE IS THE ENGINEER. >> WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS PUTTING IN BUOY MONITORING MODELING, MONITORING DEVICES IN THE WATER TO DETERMINE CURRENT FLOW.
>> NO, NO, NO. >> HE IS TALKING ABOUT --
>> WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> THEY ARE POOUT PUTTING IN
BUOYS THIS WEEK. >> THEY DON'T HAVE RESULTS.
>> A MONTH OR TWO. I MISUNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU.
GENTLEMAN, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THIS EXECUTIVE BOARD?
>> ONE THING. MEET AGAIN IN THREE MONTHS
>> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE ADJOURNED UNTIL
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.